libera/##covid-19/ Tuesday, 2020-02-18

BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China deaths rise by 98 amid Cambodia ship concerns – latest news - The Guardian — from Google News: Americans from coronavirus-stricken cruise ship in Japan flown back to U.S. - CBS News → https://is.gd/HFAU7202:17
BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): Coronavirus live updates: infected people in Wuhan to be 'rounded up' – latest news - The Guardian — from Google News: Americans begin evacuating quarantined cruise ship in Japan; Taiwan confirms first coronavirus death - CNBC → https://is.gd/HFAU7203:57
BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus live updates: UK citizens to be evacuated from Diamond Princess – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus live updates: UK citizens to be evacuated from Diamond Princess – latest news The Guardian 14 American passengers evacuated from cruise ship test positive for coronavirus Los Angeles Times COVID-19 on Cruise [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7206:10
BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus live updates: Japan to trial HIV retroviral drugs on infected people – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus live updates: Japan to trial HIV retroviral drugs on infected people – latest news The Guardian Coronavirus cases nearly double in U.S. after charter flights pick up American evacuees Washington Times Why [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7206:53
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BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus Live Updates: Disease Is Roughly 20 Times Deadlier Than Seasonal Flu - The New York Times: Coronavirus Live Updates: Disease Is Roughly 20 Times Deadlier Than Seasonal Flu The New York Times Coronavirus: Is China putting party before people? | The Stream Al Jazeera English Home Quarantine for Travelers Slows Spread of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FUUmiG07:50
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BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV retroviral drugs on patients – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV retroviral drugs on patients – latest news The Guardian 14 American passengers evacuated from cruise ship test positive for coronavirus Los Angeles Times Japan plans HIV drug trials for coronavirus, cruise [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7208:32
_io_hi thanks08:33
BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV retroviral drugs on patients – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV retroviral drugs on patients – latest news The Guardian 14 American passengers evacuated from cruise ship test positive for coronavirus Los Angeles Times Japan targets HIV drug trials to fight coronavirus; [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7209:20
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BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news The Guardian Why did US break Diamond Princess coronavirus quarantine? 'Something went awry' USA TODAY Japan to start trials using HIV treatment for [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7213:07
BrainstormNew from Google News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected - CBS News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected CBS News Wuhan hospital director dies from coronavirus, Moody's lowers China forecast CNBC Coronavirus Live Updates: Over 150 Million Chinese [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WbrxzE14:32
LjLcontingo, before you joined the bot said (through Guardian) that Japan is going to try the same cocktail that seemed to work for patients (or, one patient?) in Thailand, namely "an lopinavir-ritonavir combination along with the flu drug oseltamivir"14:48
LjLalso, how many people will just a cold will contract the coronavirus given they're shoved into quarantine camps?14:54
LjL"Chinese state media reported new house-to-house checks in Wuhan, a city of 11 million people at the centre of the outbreak, that aimed to seek out and “round up” all infected patients. State media said anyone suspected of having the virus would face mandatory testing and anyone who had close contact with virus patients would be put under quarantine."14:54
LjL"10 quarantine centres similar to the makeshift Fangcang hospital will be set up across eight districts in the city, providing an additional 11,400 beds for people showing mild symptoms of infection."14:54
LjL"From Tuesday, anyone who buys cough medicine or treatments to bring down a fever in chemists or online will need to use their ID card, the state-funded site the Paper reported."14:54
LjL"Wuhan residents complained about the draconian lockdown on social media. “We’re not allowed to go out at all, we’ve lost our most basic human rights. The guards are like prison guards, abusing the little bit of power they have."14:54
contingoI read about the antiviral trials, LjL15:09
contingoall I can say is I feel very fortunate not to be a Chinese citizen, which is somewhat masking my displeasure at being a British citizen15:11
BrainstormNew from Reddit WorldNews Live: /u/hasharin: Most coronavirus infections are mild: Chinese study | Deccan Herald — from Google News: 780 million people in China are living under travel restrictions due to the coronavirus outbreak - CNN → https://is.gd/bYEsA415:15
LjLcontingo, i don't know, i think it's inevitable this will spread uncontrollably elsewhere (there's already this cruise ship where they went "whoops" about letting a thousand people off board without realizing there were cases) and all our media is telling us is we should be thankful to China for taking such draconian measures because this way it's not getting to us. except it is, but given this tone, i assume no preparations to deal with it are occurring15:15
contingowell I also mean regardless of whether it spreads uncontrollably or not15:18
LjLcontingo, well perceptions are weird. the part i didn't paste after the last paste says "... We’re guaranteed personal freedoms under the constitution!” said a user of the the Chinese microblogging site Weibo."15:21
LjLso that makes me presume that a number of Chinese citizens actually believe they have rights15:21
LjLwhich makes me wonder, do we believe we have rights without any great reason to do so?15:22
contingothings stated by Weibo microbloggers make me presume nothing15:22
LjLi'm not really sure where else to get unfiltered opinions from Chinese laypeople15:24
contingoI get them from Chinese laypeople but to you it would be hearsay15:25
contingoin any case, I have a lot of experience of being a British citizen, I have a lot of experience of Asian countries with authoritarian regimes, and I feel very fortunate about my nationality with respect to those experiences15:26
LjLfair enough15:28
contingopurely in terms of self-interest I would like lots of citizenships15:29
LjLespecially an EU one, i bet15:30
contingoI'm still saving up for one of those15:31
LjLi'm afraid for my dad mainly, he kinda falls within those at very high risk for this virus, at least if the numbers that float around so far are to be trusted. 75, smoker, chronic bronchitis since forever.15:33
contingowell I'm close with many who fall within that risk group. but I just don't experience fear in relation to situations like this, for myself or for them15:37
contingoI encourage everyone to take reasonable precautions and to stay informed15:37
contingoif someone dies, I will grieve15:38
contingoif I suffer and then die, I will suffer and then die15:38
contingoin the meantime I'm much more afraid not living15:39
contingoI follow this out of a fascination for unfolding historical events that slightly overlap with certain areas of my training and expertise15:40
contingoif this becomes a real problem here I will swot up and become someone friends and family can depend upon for reliable information and explanations and debunkings15:41
BrainstormNew from Google News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected - CBS News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected CBS News Coronavirus Live Updates: Over 150 Million Chinese Are Under Coronavirus Lockdown The New York Times Coronavirus: Largest study [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WbrxzE15:43
contingomost of the people I know in the West who are genuinely in a state of fear and anxiety over this, at this point, would, were the virus not to exist, just be in a state of fear and anxiety about something else15:45
LjLhmm15:52
_io_good observation contingo15:55
BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news The Guardian Why did US break Diamond Princess coronavirus quarantine? 'Something went awry' USA TODAY Japan plans HIV drug trials to fight coronavirus as [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7216:12
contingo"a number of scientists told the Associated Press that the ship could have served as an incubator for Covid-19 instead of a quarantine facility"16:23
contingowe were saying as much, weren't we16:23
BrainstormNew from Google News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected - CBS News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected CBS News Coronavirus: Largest study suggests elderly and sick are most at risk BBC News Wuhan hospital director dies from coronavirus, Moody's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WbrxzE16:26
BrainstormNew from Google News: China coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates - Al Jazeera English: China coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates Al Jazeera English France Reports First COVID-19 Virus Death Outside Asia TIME Coronavirus death toll climbs to 1,669 as US passengers trapped on cruise ship wait to fly home CNN The first coronavirus death [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HPo85J16:40
BrainstormNew from Google News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected - CBS News: China says coronavirus infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected CBS News Here's how long coronaviruses may linger on contaminated surfaces, according to science CNN China offers firms tax incentives over [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WbrxzE16:54
LjLcontingo, yeah they kept removing infected people from the ship, but by now it seems clear there's an incubation period when it's still transmissible, so there's bound to be more infected people the next day, and the next... plus if it really is as airborne as recently indicated, think of a ship like that, it's all ducted air. they might have been confined to their cabins but the air wasn't19:18
LjLbut i'm not sure how they could have done it differently19:19
LjLthere's a *lot* of people on that ship and i don't think even japan has the ability to suddenly come up with many separate quarantine facilities19:19
LjLanyway, what i'm reading about China makes me think their quarantine will infect a lot of people who otherwise wouldn't be, and it's going to be people who are already weakened by a cold or a flu or something19:20
LjLconsidering they apparently take away anyone they find with a fever in door to door searches19:20
BrainstormNew from Google News: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news - The Guardian: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news The Guardian 14 American passengers evacuated from cruise ship test positive for coronavirus Los Angeles Times One Russian on Cruise Ship Confirmed to Have [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HFAU7220:03
contingothere are a lot of basics I haven't researched yet that would be easy to research20:12
contingolike the physical size of the virus20:13
contingothat have a bearing on filtration20:14
BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected - CBS News → https://is.gd/WbrxzE20:17
BrainstormNew from Global Times: (news): Uganda's acid attack survivors push for justice — from Google News: Coronavirus: Largest study suggests elderly and sick are most at risk - BBC News → https://is.gd/MIqKdY21:00
BrainstormNew from Global Times: (news): Chinese netizens celebrate love after South Korean drama 'Crash Landing On You' comes to an end — from Google News: Coronavirus live updates: Sanofi working on vaccine with US health agency, Jaguar faces parts shortage - CNBC → https://is.gd/DkMHc521:14
BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): Coronavirus 20 times more lethal than the flu? Death toll approaches 2,000 - USA TODAY → https://is.gd/yh1N6X21:43
LjLtime to remove Global Times apparently22:11
LjLpapers should have narrower feeds ;(22:11
LjLor feeds at all, since they often don't22:11
BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): China coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates - Al Jazeera English — from Google News: Coronavirus 20 times more lethal than the flu? Death toll approaches 2,000 - USA TODAY → https://is.gd/HPo85J22:11
BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): What Apple, Hilton and other U.S. companies are saying about the coronavirus outbreak - MarketWatch — from Google News: Coronavirus: Japan to trial HIV antiretroviral drugs on patients – latest news - The Guardian → https://is.gd/A9WhAA22:26
BrainstormNew from Google News: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says infections declining but experts say many cases may be undetected - CBS News → https://is.gd/WbrxzE22:54
BrainstormNew from Global Times: (news): Restarting economy, sticking to 6% growth target crucial — from Google News: Coronavirus: Largest study suggests elderly and sick are most at risk - BBC News → https://is.gd/Fgc1Bz23:22

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