| contingo | what country is the potential participant in? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | canada | 00:00 |
| contingo | recruitment in Canada is planned to recommence in March | 00:01 |
| contingo | here are some links | 00:01 |
| contingo | https://taurx.com/clinical-trials/ | 00:01 |
| contingo | well, you can get to all relevant links from that link | 00:01 |
| LjL | "... permit a broader range of patients, including those diagnosed with moderate Alzheimer’s disease, to become eligible for participation" ← not sure if they qualify as moderate, maybe barely symptomatic, i'm unable to tell | 00:02 |
| contingo | but the contacts for clinic in Canada running the trial are currently not listed. I can find out about what locations will open in March if it's of interest | 00:02 |
| contingo | the primary trial focus is on early stage Alzheimer's | 00:03 |
| LjL | ah, right, i think that should do | 00:03 |
| wwinfo[m] | <LjL "wwinfo, definitely more like 2 y"> but it works now, no? just has unknown side effects etc? | 00:05 |
| wwinfo[m] | is it a vaccine, or first attempt at one and is therefore like 1% effective or smth | 00:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 22:44 UTC: At what point do you draw the line and hunker down...: I work in a huge building, over 5000 staff, some of them from all over the world. There's people jetting off here and there and someone has come back from Italy with no self-isolation as instructed by Public Health England. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Ri4GEJ | 00:07 |
| contingo | the clinical trial is to establish in a statistically rigorous context the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. Because this has health emergency status, various aspects of the trials will be fast-tracked compared to normal pharmaceutical trials | 00:07 |
| LjL | wwinfo[m], what contingo said, but you can't expect lightning fast speeds anyway | 00:13 |
| LjL | "unknown side effects" may include greater mortality than 3% for all i know | 00:14 |
| LjL | if that were the case it would be a pretty bad idea to use it | 00:14 |
| LjL | risk/benefit needs to be assessed. if it turns out this disease's risk gets even higher (i really hope not), then maybe the assessment of how long it takes to bring a vaccine out will also change... | 00:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 23:14 UTC: (news): Live updates: New coronavirus case confirmed in U.S. as outbreak spreads; Trump calls news conference, accuses media of ‘panicking markets’ - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 23:14: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/X8MLwd | 00:19 |
| LjL | Kuwait is evacuating their citizens from Milan tomorrow | 00:29 |
| theglass | <contingo> what country is the potential participant in? | 00:44 |
| theglass | <LjL> canada | 00:44 |
| theglass | recruitment for what? | 00:44 |
| LjL | drug test | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 23:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus fatality rates vary wildly depending on age, gender and medical history — some patients fare much worse than others - MarketWatch — from The Guardian at 23:35: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/aTrw9n | 00:44 |
| theglass | drug test? | 00:44 |
| theglass | for what? | 00:45 |
| theglass | alzheimer's ? | 00:45 |
| LjL | yes | 00:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 00:01 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Director of US NIH Infectious Diseases says vaccine should be available in a year to a year and a half, during press conference. — from The Guardian at 00:01: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/fNSQ57 | 01:08 |
| LjL | wwinfo[m], here's one answer to the vacine thing | 01:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 00:17 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak spreads in South Korea and Italy as CDC warning rattles markets - CBS News: Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak spreads in South Korea and Italy as CDC warning rattles markets CBS News Coronavirus Live Updates: Trump Taps Pence to Lead Virus Response The New York Times Coronavirus: More [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UoaxE6 | 01:21 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 453 cases, 12 deaths (2.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 02:12 |
| LjL | ugh | 02:13 |
| LjL | well, at least the rate has fallen a tad | 02:13 |
| LjL | though i mean, just how quickly can they die | 02:13 |
| LjL | %cases south korea | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, South Korea, there are 1261 cases, 12 deaths (1.0% of cases), 22 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T11:03:11. | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 35.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 01:35 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: 409 new cases and 26 new deaths reported in Hubei, total 66,596 cases and 2641 deaths — from The Guardian at 01:35: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/rtwsJq | 02:39 |
| LjL | %cases hubei | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Hubei, Mainland China, there are 65187 cases, 2615 deaths (4.0% of cases), 20969 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T14:13:10. | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 11.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:40 |
| LjL | 4.0% yikes | 02:40 |
| LjL | i'm going to have another look at graphs, from static data this doesn't feel like it's improving | 02:40 |
| LjL | well the first graph at https://coronainfo.xyz/ sure doesn't make it look good for not-China i.e. me | 02:43 |
| LjL | i keep failing to find the one graph i want to find, and it's not like it's a very long list i have in the topic | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 01:43 UTC: Dow Jones Futures Fall Amid Microsoft Coronavirus Warning, Trump Comments After Stock Market Rally Fizzles - Investor's Business Daily: Dow Jones Futures Fall Amid Microsoft Coronavirus Warning, Trump Comments After Stock Market Rally Fizzles Investor's Business Daily Dow falls more than 100 points as market's attempt [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/qT6js8 | 02:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 02:01 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: 1 new death in South Korea — from The Guardian at 02:01: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/khpNvp | 03:04 |
| contingo | I'm watching tonight's BBC Newsnight episode devoted the virus | 03:39 |
| LjL | i'd ask you to share but i haven't paid the BBC fee | 03:41 |
| LjL | pretty ridiculous they made an EU directive about Netflix being usable abroad, but state broadcasters are exempt | 03:41 |
| contingo | the presenter (I like her) keeps saying violence instead of virus | 03:41 |
| LjL | O.o | 03:42 |
| LjL | that's rather unfair, the virus means no harm | 03:42 |
| LjL | it just wants to keep being | 03:42 |
| contingo | the British lady in quarantine in Malaga or somewhere, who they have managed to get a live videolink with | 03:44 |
| contingo | is infuriatingly incapable of answering any useful questions usefully | 03:45 |
| contingo | "have you been given any indication about when you will be given an actual coronavirus test, or how long quarantine there is likely to last?" | 03:45 |
| contingo | "OK so the doctors came by yesterday and left every room with a thermometer but for me the canteen here is just a breeding ground and it's just not fair on my 12 year old daughter and it was just claustrophobic with hundreds and hundreds of people queueing up for food and we went down an hour later we actually went to go get a plate and the first thing I saw was an elderly lady and she actually had a gash on her arm and so this is another thing, | 03:51 |
| contingo | there's a desk in reception which has got the health officials, but my daughter was so upset she's twelve years old, and..." | 03:51 |
| contingo | I cannot be in that situation." | 03:52 |
| contingo | end quote | 03:52 |
| aderon2020 | its a pandemic already they just don't to admit it | 03:55 |
| LjL | %wik tangential speech | 04:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Tangential speech or tangentiality is a communication disorder in which the train of thought of the speaker wanders and shows a lack of focus, never returning to the initial topic of the conversation. It tends to occur in situations where a person is experiencing high anxiety, as a manifestation of [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangential_speech | 04:00 |
| LjL | contingo, ↑ | 04:00 |
| LjL | aderon2020, they pretty much admit it, just in technical terms instead of saying "itsapandemic" | 04:00 |
| LjL | contingo, that was a bit autoclesian of me | 04:01 |
| aderon2020 | also most footage of the outbreak quarantine areas are showing staff with INCORRECT PPE for this type of situation | 04:02 |
| LjL | yes, well, the fact people break into hospitals to steal even surgical masks certainly isn't helping | 04:03 |
| contingo | I'm generaly good with compounding the number of asides and metacommentary and then returning to the thread | 04:04 |
| contingo | that famous trump campaign quote might be a good example | 04:04 |
| aderon2020 | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-europe-china-who-covid19-infection-death-toll-italy-france-uk-germany-a9362276.html | 04:06 |
| LjL | %cases Italy | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 453 cases, 12 deaths (2.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 04:09 |
| LjL | %cases Korea | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, South Korea, there are 1261 cases, 12 deaths (1.0% of cases), 22 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T11:03:11. | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 35.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:10 |
| aderon2020 | %cases USA | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | aderon2020: Sorry, USA not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:11 |
| aderon2020 | %cases UK | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | aderon2020: In all areas, UK, there are 13 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 8 recoveries as of 2020-02-24T08:33:02. | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | aderon2020: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:12 |
| aderon2020 | %cases Canada | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | ZeroDivisionError: float division by zero (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 41, in data) | 04:12 |
| aderon2020 | %cases China | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | aderon2020: In Hubei, Mainland China, there are 65187 cases, 2615 deaths (4.0% of cases), 20969 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T14:13:10. | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | aderon2020: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 11.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:13 |
| aderon2020 | %cases Australia | 04:14 |
| Brainstorm | ZeroDivisionError: float division by zero (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 41, in data) | 04:14 |
| contingo | the bot improves with time and encouragement | 04:16 |
| contingo | lol | 04:16 |
| LjL | %cases Australia | 04:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In From Diamond Princess, Australia, there are 7 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 2020-02-22T17:03:05. | 04:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:17 |
| LjL | %cases Australia | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In From Diamond Princess, Australia, there are 7 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 2020-02-22T17:03:05. | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:18 |
| LjL | whatever, i need to sleep too | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 02:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, Trump: "Italia in difficoltà, valuteremo se bloccare i voli ma non ora" - la Repubblica — from The Guardian at 02:29: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/2BgX62 | 04:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 03:42 UTC: (news): Live updates: Trump appoints Pence to lead virus response as U.S. confirms its first case of unknown origin - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 03:42: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/X8MLwd | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 04:40 UTC: Coronavirus updates live: Countries prepare as outbreak spreads - NBCNews.com: Coronavirus updates live: Countries prepare as outbreak spreads NBCNews.com US confirms new coronavirus case, Germany says it's at the beginning of an epidemic CNBC Coronavirus: More New Cases Are Now Reported Outside China Than Inside NPR [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/iO3ToK | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 04:59 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Imgur: The magic of the Internet — from The Guardian at 04:59: Six Nations to Stormzy: which events could be cancelled by coronavirus? → https://is.gd/sj7OuN | 06:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 06:18 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: La guardia di Finanza ha eseguito un raid nei magazzini Amazon e ebay. Hanno sequestrato tutta la documentazione e ora hanno nomi e cognomi di chi ha speculato su mascherine e detergenti. Chi di questi ha millantato sicurezza per le maschere chirurgiche rischia davvero grosso. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gmvcf3 | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 06:23 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Americans warned to prepare as virus picks up steam outside China - CBS News: Coronavirus live updates: Americans warned to prepare as virus picks up steam outside China CBS News Live updates: Coronavirus fears rattle markets as South Korean cases surge, U.S. confirms case of unknown origin The [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UoaxE6 | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 06:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus latest updates: Australia initiates emergency plan as Trump says risk to US is 'very low' - The Guardian — from The Guardian at 06:42: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/0yvOT4 | 07:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 07:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus news: Australia initiates emergency plan as Trump says risk to US is 'very low' - live updates - The Guardian — from The Guardian at 07:58: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/0yvOT4 | 09:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 08:14 UTC: /u/hasharin: Saudi Arabia bars pilgrims over coronavirus fears - ITV News — from The Guardian at 08:14: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/JcDeom | 09:16 |
| Albright | https://www.ktvu.com/news/flight-attendant-diagnosed-with-coronavirus-after-flights-in-and-out-of-los-angeles-reports-say | 09:17 |
| Albright | "Flight attendant diagnosed with coronavirus after flights in and out of Los Angeles, reports say" | 09:17 |
| Albright | Now I'm starting to get a little worried. My ex is a flight attendant based out of LA. Different airline, though. | 09:18 |
| Albright | I'm on absolutely terrible terms with her, but I might have to swallow my pride and give her a call in the morning. | 09:19 |
| Albright | I mean, we have a kid. Otherwise I wouldn't care. | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 08:22 UTC: (news): Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic after U.S. confirms case of unknown origin - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 08:22: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 08:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, allarme alla Scala: corista infetto forse già prima del focolaio di Codogno. Primo contagio in Abruzzo, un 50enne brianzolo - la Repubblica — from The Guardian at 08:22: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/f5HzLf | 09:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 08:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, diretta. In Italia oltre 400 casi e 12 vittime: un positivo in Abruzzo. Fontana negativo ma in isolamento. Contagi dall'Italia in Danimarca e Svizzera - Il Messaggero Salute — from The Guardian at 08:22: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/UAcmee | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 09:01 UTC: (news): Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic after U.S. confirms case of unknown origin - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 09:01: Explainer: how worried should I be about coronavirus in Australia? → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 10:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 09:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus news: two more UK patients test positive as Saudi Arabia halts pilgrimages - live updates - The Guardian — from The Guardian at 09:42: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/0yvOT4 | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 10:02 UTC: Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again - The Washington Post: Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again The Washington Post Trump announces VP Pence will lead US government response to coronaviru ABC News Trump puts Pence in charge of US coronavirus [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 10:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, diretta. In Italia oltre 450 casi e 12 vittime. Governo: «Puniremo chi specula su mascherine e gel» - Il Messaggero Salute — from The Guardian at 10:18: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/UAcmee | 11:32 |
| mefistofeles | so, now on the verge of a pandemic, what can we do? what are the recommended things to be doing? | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 10:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Americans warned to prepare as virus picks up steam outside China - CBS News — from The Guardian at 10:33: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/UoaxE6 | 11:44 |
| Albright | mefistofeles: Well, it all kinda depends on how paranoid you are. | 11:49 |
| Albright | I think the number of people who would laugh at you for going full prepper at this point are decreasing. | 11:49 |
| Albright | If there are any cases in your area, avoiding large gatherings would be a good idea. | 11:50 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: true, I'm mostly anti-paranoid, fwiw | 11:50 |
| Albright | Me too. But I'm getting there. | 11:50 |
| Albright | I might buy a camping stove and a filtering water bottle if/when my clients finally pay their invoices. | 11:52 |
| Albright | As well as some beans and rice and canned veggies. | 11:52 |
| mefistofeles | I see, I'm not even in my home country, so, whatever happens xD | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 10:45 UTC: Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools - The Washington Post: Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools The Washington Post Hospitals preparing for coronavirus outbreak in U.S. CBS Evening News Have We Let [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 11:56 |
| Albright | I know that "This is just like Plague Inc!" is a meme, but I actually reinstalled it and played it the other day, and… yeah, it's kinda like Plague Inc. | 12:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 11:03 UTC: Coronavirus in Italia, gli aggiornamenti ora per ora - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus in Italia, gli aggiornamenti ora per ora Corriere della Sera Le ultime sul coronavirus in Italia Il Post Coronavirus, oltre 400 casi in 10 regioni. LIVE Sky Tg24 Coronavirus, la diretta – Oltre 440 contagi, Di Maio: “Casi [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UtHSy2 | 12:09 |
| contingo | did you win? | 12:09 |
| Albright | contingo: No… I've been stuck on the fungus level for over a year now of off-and-on play. Got really close once… | 12:10 |
| contingo | I've never played it, but now you mention a fungus level I'm more intrigued XD | 12:11 |
| Albright | I have won on the earlier levels, though. | 12:11 |
| contingo | my fungal biology is better than my viral biology | 12:11 |
| Albright | Well, the basic idea is that you play as a disease with the goal of infecting and killing off all of humanity, right? | 12:11 |
| contingo | oh right, OK | 12:11 |
| Albright | But there's different levels depending on what form the disease is in. Virus, bacteria, fungus. There's even some silly ones like vampirism (you try to turn everyone on earth into a vampire). | 12:12 |
| Albright | And each type gives you different abilities and penalties. Fungus has a penalty against easily spreading via air and sea travel, but you can overcome it by evolving certain abilities. | 12:13 |
| Albright | Meanwhile the game's equivalent of the WHO (but competent) is trying to develop a cure to prevent infection and heal those already infected. | 12:14 |
| contingo | with the inclusion of vampirism and all, I'm guessing the game isn't trying to replicate biological / epidemiological realities as closely as possible | 12:19 |
| contingo | but with viruses you only need a few parameters to get something resembling a real pandemic scenario | 12:19 |
| Albright | Well, no, it's still a game before it's a realistic simulation of this sort of thing. | 12:20 |
| Albright | But you can tell the devs at least did *some* research on how this stuff happens. | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 11:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, diretta. Governo: «Puniremo chi specula su mascherine e gel». Musumeci: «No agli arrivi dal Nord». 450 casi e 12 morti - Il Messaggero Salute — from The Guardian at 11:14: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/UAcmee | 12:21 |
| contingo | our immune systems are pretty cool when you think of all the potential pathogens we must be constantly warding off | 12:26 |
| Albright | Yeah. | 12:27 |
| contingo | but then the things that get through are often so devilishly "simple" | 12:27 |
| contingo | ebola does its work with just seven genes, HIV nine | 12:28 |
| contingo | covid-19 is like around 16 | 12:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 11:27 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Trump insists U.S. "very ready" as virus cases surge outside China - CBS News: Coronavirus live updates: Trump insists U.S. "very ready" as virus cases surge outside China CBS News Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools The Washington [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KJ45KV | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 11:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, DiMaio: 'Coinvolto lo 0089 della popolazione'. La nave Msc Meraviglia può attraccare a Cozumel - Salute & Benessere - Agenzia ANSA — from The Guardian at 11:36: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/DQMRit | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 11:48 UTC: Coronavirus in Italia, gli aggiornamenti ora per ora - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus in Italia, gli aggiornamenti ora per ora Corriere della Sera Le ultime sul coronavirus in Italia Il Post Coronavirus, in Italia 424 contagiati. Positiva una collaboratrice della Regione Lombardia. Fontana: vado in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UtHSy2 | 12:58 |
| sneep | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-japan/japanese-woman-confirmed-as-coronavirus-case-for-second-time-weeks-after-initial-recovery-idUSKCN20L0BI | 13:04 |
| Albright | Shibuya Kousaten. I miss it. I've heard they've built up the place a bit - hope they didn't ruin it. | 13:16 |
| Albright | I've heard about the reinfection happening in China too. If it turns out to be a common thing, it's quite disturbing. | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 12:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, Borrelli, 528 i contagiati e 14 i morti - Sanità - Agenzia ANSA — from The Guardian at 12:15: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/DQMRit | 13:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 12:37 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st "community transmission" in U.S. - CBS News: Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st "community transmission" in U.S. CBS News Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools The Washington Post [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KJ45KV | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 12:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, Borrelli: 528 i contagiati e 14 i morti - Sanità - Agenzia ANSA — from The Guardian at 12:45: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/DQMRit | 13:59 |
| LjL | Albright: contingo: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-japan/japanese-woman-confirmed-as-coronavirus-case-for-second-time-weeks-after-initial-recovery-idUSKCN20L0BI | 14:05 |
| LjL | Oh sorry sneep | 14:05 |
| LjL | Thought it was only posted elsewhere, should have backscrolled | 14:05 |
| LjL | contingo: tbh I have no idea about the very basics of the immune system... namely how it magically learns that a certain entity is detrimental when it didn't previously think so | 14:08 |
| contingo | LjL see response to that news story on Guardian live coverage two hours ago | 14:15 |
| LjL | contingo: can you give me a flash summary, I don't want to get at the computer just yet | 14:16 |
| LjL | Did you hear Tenerife had a second case? So Milanese are infecting everyone everywhere :/ | 14:16 |
| LjL | Good thing my city had become vaguely tourism oriented during the past five years after the world fair | 14:16 |
| LjL | Been a decent ride, now we can't go back to decadence | 14:17 |
| LjL | Can* | 14:17 |
| contingo | UK professor of medicine weighing in, saying there are two possibilities given that report, 1. the illness can indeed be "biphasic" but that it is unlikely to be a common thing for it to be so, and may be related to the treatment given (steroids) | 14:18 |
| contingo | 2. she just has prolonged excretion of virus as seen in other cases, and previous test to confirm clearance was wrong. And her having a sore throat now could be unrelated | 14:19 |
| contingo | "I would caution against reading too much into this report, given the lack of information." | 14:19 |
| LjL | contingo: thanks | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 13:38 UTC: Coronavirus in Italia, gli aggiornamenti ora per ora - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus in Italia, gli aggiornamenti ora per ora Corriere della Sera Coronavirus, diretta: 2 morti, 42 guariti. Spallanzani: «Comunicare solo casi clinici e vittime come altri Paesi» Il Messaggero Salute 528 test positivi al [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UtHSy2 | 14:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 13:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st sign of "community spread" in U.S. - CBS News — from The Guardian at 13:58: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms? → https://is.gd/5uN9Gs | 15:01 |
| Albright | So pedantic vocabulary check: | 15:14 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 15:14 |
| sneep | wow what language is that even! | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 453 cases, 12 deaths (2.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 15:14 |
| LjL | why can't JHU just give the actual data without making me wait a day *or* go to their slow-loading map -.- | 15:15 |
| Albright | COVID-19 is the illness. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus (aka 2019-nCoV or "novel coronavirus"). | 15:15 |
| LjL | sneep, is the tongue italian | 15:15 |
| LjL | that what italy speak | 15:15 |
| sneep | crazy | 15:15 |
| LjL | Albright, you're being pedantic about names... with respect to what contingo said? | 15:15 |
| Albright | LjL: Nobody in particular. | 15:16 |
| LjL | let's just agree to say "the virus" which is what we all say anyway | 15:16 |
| contingo | Albright, yes that is correct | 15:17 |
| Tobi[m] | daily media briefing is live https://www.periscope.tv/w/1YqGoQbgweQxv?q=corona | 15:34 |
| LjL | oh, and now it ended | 16:01 |
| contingo | the pandemic? phew | 16:02 |
| contingo | just in time for the weekend | 16:03 |
| LjL | at least i understand the WHO director general | 16:03 |
| LjL | i don't understand the first speaker | 16:03 |
| LjL | contingo, yay | 16:03 |
| contingo | what were his hand gestures like today? | 16:03 |
| LjL | contingo, dunno, there's an overlay right where his hands are | 16:05 |
| LjL | %wik WHO Director General | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such article found on the English Wikipedia | 16:06 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, get infected | 16:06 |
| LjL | Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus... no idea where that even tells me he's from | 16:07 |
| LjL | contingo, too busy for a PM consult? | 16:08 |
| LjL | Michael J. Ryan, now i have no idea what this one is saying | 16:14 |
| LjL | speaking into the microphone may have marginally helped | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:33 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: death toll rises in Italy and Iran as outbreak could cause 2008-level economic damage - live updates → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 16:40 |
| Spec | ohmy | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 15:38 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st sign of "community spread" in U.S. - CBS News: Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st sign of "community spread" in U.S. CBS News Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools The Washington [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5uN9Gs | 16:52 |
| Spec | my theory was correct | 16:53 |
| Spec | good | 16:53 |
| Spec | i love it when a plan comes together | 16:53 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 453 cases, 12 deaths (2.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 17:00 |
| LjL | Spec, ↑ | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 15:53 UTC: (news): Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 15:53: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 17:04 |
| Albright | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h8F_-6lwn8 Pelosi is speaking now on how the House should respond to this. Her ideas basically seem to involve throwing money at things and slagging Trump. | 17:12 |
| Albright | Though to be fair, Trump's ideas seem to be throwing money at things and slagging Pelosi. | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: death toll rises in Italy and Iran as outbreak could cause 2008-level economic damage - live updates → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 17:17 |
| contingo | Helena Smith on The Guardian's live blog refers to the virus as "the potentially killer flu" | 17:24 |
| contingo | LjL am back home now go for it | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 17:14 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: New cases over the last 8 hours — from The Guardian at 17:14: Disrupted flights and travel insurance: how the coronavirus is affecting travel for Australians → https://is.gd/zKtgd1 | 18:18 |
| wwinfo[m] | rumors of a first confirmed case is in Poland | 18:20 |
| wwinfo[m] | possibly also the anti-christ Pope is infected | 18:23 |
| wwinfo[m] | * possibly also the anti-Christ Pope is infected | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: death toll rises in Italy and Iran as outbreak could cause 2008-level economic damage - live updates → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 18:30 |
| LjL | contingo, nevermind sorry, we already "decided" the issue, i'll mention it fyi | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 18:02 UTC: (news): Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 18:02: What is Covid-19? → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: death toll rises in Italy and Iran as outbreak could cause 2008-level economic damage - live updates → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 18:23 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st sign of "community spread" in U.S. - CBS News: Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st sign of "community spread" in U.S. CBS News Trump announces VP Pence will lead US government response to coronaviru ABC News Coronavirus gets political: [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5uN9Gs | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 18:40 UTC: (news): Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 18:40: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 19:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 18:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, sono 19 i casi positivi in Liguria. Toti: «Nessun nuovo focolaio» - Il Secolo XIX — from The Guardian at 18:50: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/kXQ7XH | 19:57 |
| wwinfo[m] | this newspaper claims 1st tests-confirmed case in Poland: https://polskatimes.pl/koronawirus-w-polsce-pierwszy-potwierdzony-przypadek-w-lodzi-kobieta-caly-miesiac-spedzila-w-tajlandii-270220/ar/c14-14819572 | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 18:57 UTC: (news): Live updates: Fears grow of a coronavirus pandemic as markets stumble again; Japan shuts schools - The Washington Post — from The Guardian at 18:57: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/PhoEqU | 20:09 |
| LjL | Japan shuts schools? is it that bad already in Japan | 20:15 |
| LjL | %cases Japan | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Japan, there are 189 cases, 2 deaths (1.1% of cases), 22 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:15 |
| LjL | well, not nearly as bad as here | 20:16 |
| LjL | %cases Poland | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, Poland not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:16 |
| LjL | contingo, i fixed on division by zero but i think i left something else undone | 20:16 |
| LjL | one* | 20:16 |
| LjL | %cases Germany | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 27 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:16 |
| LjL | yeah, that second line should obviously go | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:17 UTC: Coronavirus news: death toll rises in Italy and Iran as outbreak could cause 2008-level economic damage - live updates: Follow latest news as 50 Britons allowed to leave Tenerife hotel, UK chief medical officer says pandemic could close school for two months and experts say virus could cause 2008-level economic damage [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 20:21 |
| LjL | as if we'd already raised our heads from the 2008 damage | 20:22 |
| Albright | That Japan number must be excluding the cruise ship. | 20:22 |
| LjL | yes | 20:22 |
| LjL | %cases other | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Diamond Princess cruise ship, Others, there are 705 cases, 4 deaths (0.6% of cases), 10 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T19:33:02. | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 28.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:34 UTC: Coronavirus: first case in Northern Ireland takes UK total to 16: Follow latest news as it emerges Northern Irish patient had visited Italy, 50 Britons allowed to leave Tenerife hotel and UK chief medical officer says pandemic could close schools for two months [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 19:47 UTC: Coronavirus latest: California monitoring 8400 people for Covid-19 - Financial Times: Coronavirus latest: California monitoring 8400 people for Covid-19 Financial Times New US coronavirus case puts officials on high alert l ABC News ABC News Is the CDC recommending you shave your beard to protect against the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WndSpM | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:01 UTC: Coronavirus: first case in Northern Ireland takes UK total to 16: Follow latest news as it emerges Northern Irish patient had visited Italy, 50 Britons allowed to leave Tenerife hotel and UK chief medical officer says pandemic could close schools for two months [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 21:13 |
| LjL | %cases Italy | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 453 cases, 12 deaths (2.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 21:34 |
| LjL | Way outdated | 21:34 |
| LjL | Jhu says 528, nyt says 650 (CDC data I think?) | 21:34 |
| LjL | Though I thought jhu was the most updated in general | 21:34 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: I'm so close to Italy right now | 22:10 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 22:10 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, well physical proximity may not mean much anyway, people fly (when they still let them) | 22:11 |
| mefistofeles | yes | 22:11 |
| mefistofeles | but still, peple from Italy fly a lot to Germany xD | 22:11 |
| twomoon | omg | 22:11 |
| twomoon | get out of europe | 22:11 |
| mefistofeles | hey twomoon | 22:11 |
| LjL | can i please just wake up and this never happened | 22:11 |
| LjL | the world wasn't going alright even before this | 22:12 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: I just arrived, so, I don't think it will happen anytime soon | 22:13 |
| RougeRR | hey | 22:14 |
| twomoon | eres todo un globalist elite ahora mefistofeles | 22:14 |
| LjL | hi | 22:14 |
| mefistofeles | hey RougeRR | 22:14 |
| mefistofeles | %data Germany | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 27 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 22:14 |
| wwinfo[m] | <LjL "can i please just wake up and th"> well, there are lots of people for example claiming iT Is RaCisT to avoid chinese people now. All such brainlets will be naturally selected. There is that | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 21:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, isolato il ceppo italiano all'ospedale Sacco di Milano - la Repubblica — from The Guardian at 21:11: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/ahlSYD | 22:14 |
| LjL | yes i *still* haven't fixed that line | 22:14 |
| wwinfo[m] | also world will stop being so globalized, and people will be more self-relient. Always a silver lining | 22:15 |
| LjL | wwinfo[m], let's not make it... that | 22:15 |
| mefistofeles | wwinfo[m]: it is actually racist indeed | 22:15 |
| LjL | there is no point | 22:15 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, this affects all the people, not just the chinese | 22:15 |
| mefistofeles | so you can get it from anyone | 22:15 |
| wwinfo[m] | <mefistofeles "wwinfo: it is actually racist in"> yeap, and also it's good | 22:15 |
| wwinfo[m] | well I avoid people from all the hotspot zones. maybe it will stop mattering in few weeks, we'll see | 22:15 |
| mefistofeles | probably | 22:16 |
| mefistofeles | I just hope I don't get sick at all, that would suck | 22:16 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-02-27 21:16:23) | 22:16 |
| LjL | %data Germany | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 27 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 22:16 |
| mefistofeles | I don't have much time and I'm here to finish some research project | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 22:16 |
| LjL | meh | 22:16 |
| wwinfo[m] | yeap for example people pretending percentage does not matter or 1% chance and 10% chance are the same, will be naturally selected. | 22:16 |
| LjL | is empathy a selectable trait? | 22:17 |
| wwinfo[m] | if it would turn out that eg asian people are more prone (I dont know if that is true or not) then for foreseeable future avoiding such populations would reduce chance | 22:17 |
| wwinfo[m] | <LjL "is empathy a selectable trait?"> anything that lessens your chance of survival | 22:18 |
| wwinfo[m] | > <@freenode_LjL:matrix.org> is empathy a selectable trait? | 22:18 |
| wwinfo[m] | * anything that lessens your chance of survival ios | 22:18 |
| wwinfo[m] | * anything that lessens your chance of survival is | 22:18 |
| LjL | that's a bit simplistic actually | 22:18 |
| wwinfo[m] | of course some doze of altruizm is also good, for community and indirectly for you | 22:19 |
| mefistofeles | not knowing about actual biology and selectivity is selectable? :P | 22:20 |
| LjL | %covid Germany | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 27 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of 2020-02-26T23:43:03. | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 22:20 |
| LjL | third time lucky | 22:20 |
| LjL | also by the way my bot's data are old, i've said it before, but just so you know. i get them from jhu's github page but they don't update them as frequently as their own map (which in turn is behind data the NYT has?) | 22:21 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [Ars Technica - Science] New US coronavirus case from area with quarantined evacuees from cruise, Wuhan https://arstechnica.com/?p=1656865 2020-02-27T21:05:33 | 22:23 |
| LjL | i wonder how the NYT knows italy has 650 cases but their pseudo paywall is making it hard to figure out | 22:25 |
| twomoon | google promoting all these damn paywalled sites now =/ | 22:26 |
| twomoon | at a time like this? | 22:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 21:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, Ippolito (Spallanzani): "Comunicheremo solo casi clinici" - la Repubblica — from The Guardian at 21:11: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/ahlSYD | 22:27 |
| LjL | well technically they "just" want me to give them my email, or my google or facebook account | 22:27 |
| LjL | theglass, comunicheremo solo casi clinici? | 22:27 |
| LjL | so no symptoms no case? | 22:27 |
| theglass | La7 o il tg3 hanno dato 650 prima | 22:27 |
| LjL | %tr Roma, allo Spallanzani annunciano: "In Italia si sta lavorando affinché vengano comunicati solo i casi clinicamente rilevanti, ovvero pazienti in rianimazione o morti, come avviene negli altri Paesi del mondo" | 22:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Rome, Spallanzani announce: "In Italy work is underway to ensure that only clinically relevant cases are reported, that is, patients in resuscitation or death, as is the case in other countries of the world" (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 22:28 |
| LjL | well this is pretty... nontransparent | 22:28 |
| LjL | so much for Conte's transparency | 22:28 |
| LjL | "solo in reanimazione o morti" is pretty damned restrictive | 22:28 |
| LjL | may as well just say you're not reporting them anymore | 22:28 |
| theglass | Ho sentito anche questo, però non so se faranno così | 22:28 |
| mefistofeles | theglass: meaning? | 22:29 |
| LjL | "In Italia si sta lavorando affinché vengano comunicati solo i casi di nuovo coronavirus clinicamente rilevanti, ovvero i casi clinici di pazienti in rianimazione o morti, come avviene negli altri Paesi del mondo": lo ha detto il direttore scientifico dell'Istituto Spallanzani, Giuseppe Ippolito, in conferenza alla stampa estera. I "positivi ai tamponi fatti per qualsiasi altro motivo andranno in una lista separata estremamente importante - ha detto - per | 22:29 |
| LjL | la definizione della situazione epidemiologica". | 22:29 |
| LjL | sono fuori di testa | 22:29 |
| LjL | %tr "Essere positivo al test del coronavirus non significa essere contagioso - ha spiegato Ippolito - Ma le persone positive devono essere fuori dal circuito, quindi isolate, perché il periodo di contagiosità è diverso da quello di trasmissione, e perché la probabilità massima in cui c'è la trasmissibilità del virus è dal momento in cui la persona è sintomatica". | 22:29 |
| theglass | I also heard that they will communicate only severe cases | 22:29 |
| LjL | this doesn't mean anything | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: "Being positive for the coronavirus test does not mean being contagious - explained Ippolito - But positive people must be out of the circuit, therefore isolated, because the period of contagiousness is different from that of transmission, and because the maximum probability in which there is è the transmissibility of the virus is from the moment the [... want %more?] | 22:29 |
| LjL | it's just playing with words | 22:29 |
| theglass | But I'm not so sure about this | 22:30 |
| LjL | well i hope this is spallanzani and the government will say "you mad" | 22:30 |
| LjL | because they mad | 22:30 |
| LjL | but of course, it would be more... convenient to seem as if there aren't so many cases | 22:31 |
| theglass | [22:29] <fffffftheglass> I also heard that they will communicate only severe casesffffff, but I'm not so sure about this | 22:31 |
| theglass | Let's put it on a line | 22:31 |
| theglass | On a single line | 22:31 |
| theglass | Screw writing from phone's keyboard | 22:33 |
| LjL | well they better not be sure either, is all i'm saying | 22:37 |
| LjL | that would be a complete coverup | 22:37 |
| LjL | i've tweeted including every institutional twitter handle i could think of | 22:38 |
| LjL | if that statement was out of line they should retract it immediately | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 21:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, isolato il ceppo italiano all'ospedale Sacco di Milano - la Repubblica — from The Guardian at 21:11: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/ahlSYD | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:31 UTC: Coronavirus: Dow Jones suffers its biggest ever fall: Follow latest news as US share index tumbles 1,190 points, it emerges patient in Northern Irish case had visited Italy and 50 Britons allowed to leave Tenerife hotel — from The Guardian at 21:31: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:54 UTC: Coronavirus: Dow Jones suffers its biggest ever points fall – latest updates: Follow latest news as US share index tumbles 1,190 points, the Netherlands confirms its first case and 50 Britons are allowed to leave Tenerife hotel — from The Guardian at 21:54: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 23:04 |
| contingo | OK what's afoot | 23:09 |
| contingo | that policy sounds very hidey | 23:09 |
| LjL | contingo, me being mad at... i don't know whether the government, an hospital, or just the Repubblica paper misquoting people | 23:09 |
| LjL | since they also have a video where he says something completely different | 23:09 |
| LjL | namely that the european center for diseases redefined criteria | 23:10 |
| LjL | which they did, but the result of that isn't mean to be the above | 23:10 |
| LjL | meant* | 23:10 |
| LjL | contingo, right now i don't know whether we have ~530 cases, or 650 to begin with, as JHU reports the former and Repubblica reports the latter... which is not exactly the same thing. meanwhile i hear italian people on reddit complaining that the regions are starting to downplay the whole thing because the economy is tanking, and that the emergency decrees are being rescinded, "because there is no exponential growth" (what?) | 23:12 |
| LjL | really this may all be slated dramatically by Reddit and Repubblica, must be a reason they both start with R | 23:12 |
| LjL | and i may be adding some of my own though i hope not but i realize i'm somewhat involved | 23:13 |
| LjL | but i was already worried enough before being worried about number censorship | 23:13 |
| LjL | nevermind rescinding containment measures "because it cannot be contained anymore"... we knew that from the start, that was not the point, the point is to slow it down so hospitals don't explode | 23:13 |
| contingo | they probably can't hide the actual deaths | 23:15 |
| contingo | so there's always that to go by | 23:15 |
| contingo | what we really need are not oxygen concentrators | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 22:10 UTC: (news): Il bilancio del coronavirus è di 17 morti e 45 guariti. Isolato il ceppo italiano - AGI - Agenzia Italia — from The Guardian at 22:10: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/2PnBqb | 23:16 |
| contingo | but those machines that oxygenate your blood for you | 23:16 |
| LjL | contingo, they won't "hide" the numbers either, he said non-clinical positives will be on a "very important list" | 23:17 |
| LjL | but i feel that's code for "the list that media won't pick up" | 23:17 |
| LjL | or the list he wipes... nah i'll keep decent | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News at 22:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New coronavirus case may be 1st sign of "community spread" in U.S. - CBS News — from The Guardian at 22:23: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/5uN9Gs | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:30 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Dow Jones suffers biggest-ever points fall: US share index tumbles 1,190 points, the Netherlands confirms its first case and 50 Britons are allowed to leave Tenerife hotel. Follow the latest news — from The Guardian at 22:30: Covid-19: what we know and do not know about the coronavirus → https://is.gd/r0BZhN | 23:41 |
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