ubLIX | is it progressing or has it been stable? | 00:00 |
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romare | https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-infected-minster-nadine-dorries-had-been-in-no-10-c3sjs5kmp | 00:01 |
wormfarm | i had a lung scare last november tinwhiskers | 00:01 |
wormfarm | antibiotics wouldn't make it go away but eventually it went away when i started taking some asthma meds | 00:01 |
tinwhiskers | It's pretty stable, ubLIX. | 00:04 |
tinwhiskers | wormfarm: yeah, I was hoping I might get something like that the last time I visited the doctor but he wasn't really one to discuss the matter with. | 00:05 |
wormfarm | oh ok | 00:05 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, was he basically just like "you have nothing, get over it"? | 00:06 |
tinwhiskers | yeah | 00:06 |
LjL | mm | 00:06 |
ubLIX | oh you haven't had an opportunity to try a salbutamol inhaler? | 00:06 |
tinwhiskers | no, nothing. They gave me an ECG because I said chest pains and then some antibiotics when that was fine. | 00:07 |
skyofdust | I've seen people get their lungs damaged by stomach acid while they sleep | 00:08 |
tinwhiskers | last time they gave me some paracetamol | 00:08 |
skyofdust | Because of reflux | 00:08 |
tinwhiskers | I see. I don't get reflux these days | 00:08 |
LjL | i have reflux, i wonder if what i cough up (and the fact i cough in the first place) is caused by it, but now i've been on a PPI for quite a while and it's not changing | 00:08 |
skyofdust | Oh these people I'm talking about didn't realize they were having reflux because it was when they were sleeping. | 00:09 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: you know I'm not one for folk medicine but I swear ginger made a huge difference to me when I was getting reflux | 00:09 |
ubLIX | hope you respond to exercise well. getting your lungs moving as much as possible without over-taxing yourself will probably help (keeping mindful of chest pains ofc) | 00:10 |
ubLIX | drink your own weight in water every 45 seconds etc :p | 00:10 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i'm taking ginger-containing pills nominally for digestion (before dinner), there's some decent evidence about it i think, not so much directly for reflux maybe, but if you take six hours to digest, that's also more time for acid to come back up | 00:10 |
tinwhiskers | ubLIX: ok. I'm really rather sedate here. It's so damn hot that any cardio is miserable. I'll try some cardio though and see if that helps over the next week. | 00:11 |
LjL | also ginger infusion before breakfast, actually | 00:11 |
tinwhiskers | nice | 00:11 |
LjL | at least it tastes good even if it doesn't help | 00:12 |
LjL | "what does a monkey know of the taste of ginger" is apparently an indian saying | 00:12 |
tinwhiskers | I would chew on crystallised ginger and drink proper ginger beer mostly. When I stopped doing it a couple of times my reflux came back within a few days | 00:12 |
tinwhiskers | it appeared like a cut-and-dry effect but I can't rule out coincidence | 00:13 |
ryouma | n=1 ginger can be useful for mild gastroparesis. reflux can be a symptom of gastroparesis. | 00:13 |
tinwhiskers | Still, ginger is delicious, so no harm. | 00:13 |
skyofdust | I just munch on a pair of chewable anti acid tablets or even pepto when nothing else works. | 00:13 |
tinwhiskers | antacid tablets may relieve symptoms but can make the problem worse | 00:14 |
LjL | ryouma, no idea if i have gastroparesis, but i always did take a very long time to digest (had a gastroscopy when i was young, and the doctors asked my parents like "have you not followed the fasting directions?!" because i still had tons of stuff in my stomach)... but the reflux itself is also explained by the fact that the gastroscopy also clearly shows a faulty valve | 00:15 |
ubLIX | tinwhiskers: i have a 5-year history of asthma at this point. i'm only early 40's so i can expect to tolerate reasonably rigorous exercise with some impunity. my experience has often been that a good bout of cardio is like an equivalent to a shot of the salbutamol inhaler for clearing lungs. anecdatum for you | 00:15 |
tinwhiskers | I used to take them a lot too before I "discovered ginger" :-) | 00:15 |
tinwhiskers | ubLIX: ok. noted. thanks | 00:15 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i mostly take antacids when i actually have an obvious episode, which is not so often, because i probably have the "silent reflux" sort of thing mostly... had sore throat and ear issues for ages, before an ENT gave me something that's legally a supplement, but really it's just something that mechanically coats your throat to make any reflux have lesser effects... after that, the throat problems mostly subsided | 00:16 |
ubLIX | obv listen to your body, don't push through undue fatigue | 00:16 |
tinwhiskers | I need to do some track cutting that I've been putting off due to fatigue. That gets me panting pretty quickly. I'll do a short session on that. | 00:17 |
ubLIX | i'm going to guess that half an hour of moderate pace (say, no more effort than 5% over comfort) is going to be better than 5 minutes of over-intensity. anyway this caution is the sort of thing i do when i'm ill but think respiratory/cardio effort might help get everything moving again | 00:24 |
python476 | o/ | 00:25 |
LjL | i can't read this without registering but fwiw https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-movement-restrictions.html i just heard similar from an infectivologist on tv | 00:25 |
LjL | attempt #1: "we're all gonna die, at least in lombardy" italians: "who gives a damn, we're going to ski" attempt #2: "no really, we're ALL gonna die" italians: "oh shit i'm hoarding groceries and then locking me inside" | 00:26 |
LjL | i can't read the article but i sure do know which church that is ;( | 00:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:21 UTC: Coronavirus response hurt by lack of funding for public health labs, CDC director tells Congress: Lack of funding has hampered the federal government's response to the coronavirus outbreak, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told lawmakers Tuesday. → https://is.gd/2sZE4a | 00:27 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: Weird you can't read it. I don't need to register. If it doesn't work in a private window you can read it all in the html source code | 00:29 |
yuttle[m] | Chloroquine is proving to be very helpful for affected ppl | 00:29 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i won't bother, when it's something REALLY important i can just get ubLIX to pastebin it, this one is just going to say things i know | 00:29 |
skyofdust | LjL what is the italian media saying about that? | 00:29 |
tinwhiskers | https://pastebin.com/PWRSFB76 | 00:30 |
LjL | skyofdust, well as i said an infectivologist on tv was just saying pretty much the same thing. currently italian media and authorities are debating whether to take even stricter measures (the governor of Lombardy at least wants to), but this infectivologist pointed out that he has been sitting there for quite a while and not seen a single car go by, so perhaps we can consider the current measures effective | 00:30 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, lol okay, thanks | 00:31 |
LjL | "People lined up outside supermarkets, where only a few shoppers were allowed in at a time so that the decree’s social distance rules could be observed." ← this is a bit of an issue | 00:32 |
LjL | people are still not respecting useful distances *outside* of the supermarkets... | 00:32 |
wormfarm | infectivologist | 00:32 |
tinwhiskers | Is the public transport crammed as full of people as usual? | 00:32 |
python476 | I just came back from delivery | 00:33 |
python476 | I should bring a sanitizer with me | 00:33 |
skyofdust | Anyone knows if spit can work to sanitize in an emergency? | 00:34 |
skyofdust | It sure works with other pathogens. | 00:34 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, most likely not, but i'm not going to check. last time i did use it, well before any restrictive measures were taken, it was already much emptier than usual | 00:34 |
tinwhiskers | ah. ok | 00:34 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, but still, as long as people still have to go to work, people will still be using public transport, and i don't think it takes many of them to continue spreading the infection | 00:34 |
tinwhiskers | yeah | 00:34 |
LjL | also | 00:35 |
LjL | %cases italy | 00:35 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 10149 cases, 631 deaths (6.2% of cases), 1004 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 00:24:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 00:35 |
LjL | didn't realize we had passed 10k | 00:35 |
tinwhiskers | skyofdust: I'm pretty sure your spit will be full of the virus, so no. After all throat swabs are one way of testing for the virus. | 00:36 |
LjL | wait, what | 00:37 |
LjL | who even | 00:37 |
skyofdust | Maybe salt water then? | 00:38 |
tinwhiskers | no | 00:38 |
RougeR | LjL, | 00:39 |
RougeR | goddamnit | 00:40 |
RougeR | you italians fucked us hahaha | 00:40 |
LjL | i'd say salt water is preferrable to spit, but i don't know how much preferable | 00:40 |
RougeR | jersey has its first confirmed case | 00:40 |
RougeR | travelled from italty | 00:40 |
RougeR | travelled from italty | 00:40 |
RougeR | travelled from ital | 00:41 |
RougeR | ffs | 00:41 |
LjL | you can do it | 00:41 |
RougeR | I T A L Y | 00:41 |
RougeR | im a bit drunl | 00:41 |
RougeR | -______- | 00:41 |
skyofdust | There was some paper around these channels a few days ago, about mask alternatives, one of the alternatives included a salt-infused filter. | 00:41 |
LjL | yes let the alcohol disinfect your throat | 00:41 |
RougeR | hehe | 00:41 |
skyofdust | That's why I ask. | 00:41 |
LjL | skyofdust, there was a paper around salt as a filter but it was WAY over my head to understand | 00:42 |
LjL | but i assume it's probably going to work very differently from salty water | 00:42 |
saidi[m] | https://www.asbmb.org/asbmb-today/science/020620/could-an-old-malaria-drug-help-fight-the-new-coron | 00:42 |
LjL | yes, chlorequine holds some promise | 00:43 |
LjL | let's not jump the guns and take it please, it's kinda dangerous | 00:43 |
LjL | just saying :P | 00:43 |
RougeR | LjL, are you following: https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos | 00:44 |
LjL | RougeR, hm no can't say i have apart from a couple | 00:44 |
saidi[m] | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211383520302999 | 00:44 |
RougeR | LjL, he da best | 00:44 |
RougeR | mvp source | 00:44 |
LjL | it's pretty disappointing so many italians ended up infected/infecting abroad... many europeans will blame us for it now, even though in the big european countries it was already evolving without our help | 00:45 |
tinwhiskers | skyofdust: yes, that works because it's using dry salt crystals. When droplets hit the salt it turns to a liquid then as it recrystallises the crystal formation physically destroys the virus. That doesn't occur in liquid salt. | 00:45 |
tinwhiskers | It also probably doesn't work in humid locations and if it gets wet it's useless. | 00:46 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, so... best not to breathe on it? | 00:47 |
LjL | breath is kinda wet ;( | 00:47 |
tinwhiskers | lol. yeah, that's a good plan. | 00:47 |
tinwhiskers | The salt crystal mask thing looks like a really good idea actually. It allows you to use the same mask again | 00:47 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, I see. Hrm. perhaps | 00:47 |
tinwhiskers | I don't think it got beyond the lab | 00:48 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i'm starting to think i'll use the same mask multiple times anyway ;( that's what happens when they lie to us, now i don't believe the rest of their advice either | 00:48 |
tinwhiskers | well, they say you're better using no mask than reusing one | 00:48 |
LjL | they also said it's better to use no mask than to use one, unless you're sick or caring for a sick person | 00:49 |
RougeR | LjL, you got vit d? | 00:49 |
LjL | and i think i have learned enough at this point to opine that they're either wrong, or lying | 00:49 |
tinwhiskers | yeah. fair. that's puzzling | 00:49 |
LjL | RougeR, yeah | 00:49 |
RougeR | smash it | 00:50 |
RougeR | imma get some tommorow | 00:50 |
LjL | i take the normal daily dose, apparently that's what's kind of effective anyway | 00:50 |
RougeR | i mean in uk we dont see sun for weeks | 00:50 |
RougeR | im ginger too lol | 00:50 |
RougeR | i gotta avoid sun | 00:50 |
LjL | yeah the NHS actually advise for *everyone* to take it in the winter months | 00:50 |
RougeR | noic | 00:50 |
LjL | the CDC advises against it | 00:50 |
RougeR | wut | 00:50 |
LjL | the italian SSN... who even knows or cares | 00:50 |
tinwhiskers | Vitamin D *deficiency* may may you more likely to become infected. "Smashing it" won't decrease your chances. | 00:51 |
LjL | however little it may help with COVID-19, we certainly aren't going to get much sun if we can't leave our homes now | 00:51 |
RougeR | tinwhiskers, nah gotta *SMASH* that like buttn | 00:52 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, deficiency is quite common though, so it may be a good idea to be taking it now | 00:52 |
RougeR | /s | 00:52 |
tinwhiskers | fair | 00:52 |
RougeR | LjL, agreed as people isolate more | 00:52 |
RougeR | tinwhiskers, nah i know what you are saying | 00:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: UK minister tests positive, Turkey confirms first case → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 00:55 |
Birosso | Blimey. | 00:56 |
RougeR | fingers crossed! | 00:58 |
RougeR | hoping we can wipe out some tories | 00:58 |
RougeR | also lol turkey is SEETHING with ncov19 | 00:59 |
RougeR | it wont be its first case | 00:59 |
LjL | RougeR, they made a big deal out of it, with the minister of health making himself awaited at his press conference | 01:06 |
LjL | i guess maybe they're starting to condition people to accept it's suddenly much bigger | 01:06 |
LjL | like, i still have the TRT Haber stream going from earlier, and it's still talking about the coronavirus now | 01:07 |
LjL | showing some hand sanitizing | 01:07 |
LjL | some hand washing | 01:07 |
LjL | some... face disinfecting, apparently | 01:08 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +33 cases (now 134750), +14 recoveries (now 68008) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 19) 🔸 Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Mainland China: +4 recoveries (now 60124) 🔸 Chongqing, Mainland China: +5 recoveries (now 547) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 131) 🔸 U.A.E.: +29 cases (now 74), +5 recoveries | 01:08 |
oxalis | What’s new in the last 4 hours? | 01:08 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia announces massive health package, UK minister tests positive → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 01:09 |
LjL | mostly just the thing Brainstorm keeps repeating including now, unless you missed the "first" case in Turkey also | 01:10 |
dunnp | ugh classes not canceled yet | 01:14 |
dunnp | not sure why the US is not being proactive about this | 01:15 |
contingo | I can't stop sneezing | 01:16 |
LjL | same reason as almost no other country has been, i guess, dunnp. denial and/or economy-first | 01:16 |
LjL | contingo, this cold is being a bit long isn't it | 01:16 |
contingo | it's ridic | 01:16 |
contingo | I guess I will cancel my on-campus things | 01:17 |
dunnp | I've also had a cold for almost 2 weeks now | 01:17 |
contingo | but it's very frustrating | 01:17 |
LjL | i wonder if experiencing the 1918 flu was anything similar to this | 01:22 |
LjL | media were obviously different, and they had also just barely got out of a war | 01:23 |
LjL | looks like most of the supposedly-earthquake tweets my bot is screening now are about earthquakes *and* coronavirus | 01:26 |
LjL | %tr <tr corona var deprem var ne bakıyon | 01:26 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Turkish to English: Corona, earthquake, what's up? (MyMemory, Google) | 01:26 |
tinwhiskers | I think the war was still going when the pandemic broke out because there were all sorts of horror stories about soldiers being shipped around like cattle | 01:26 |
LjL | i could find some good reassuring book to read about it | 01:27 |
LjL | or i could read my grandpa's ww2 diary instead, since it's been sitting there for a while and if i don't hurry up i may be dead before i get a chance to read it | 01:28 |
oxalis | Speaking of corneas https://v.redd.it/e3om26i70vl41 | 01:28 |
contingo | there are quite a few articles contrasting the two | 01:28 |
tinwhiskers | To maintain morale, wartime censors minimized early reports of illness and mortality in Germany, the United Kingdom, France, and the United States.[10][11] Papers were free to report the epidemic's effects in neutral Spain (such as the grave illness of King Alfonso XIII).[12] These stories created a false impression of Spain as especially hard hit,[13] giving rise to the pandemic's nickname, "Spanish flu". | 01:29 |
tinwhiskers | huh. well, interesting | 01:29 |
LjL | oxalis, i don't even want to click | 01:29 |
LjL | also who was speaking of corneas anyway ;( | 01:30 |
oxalis | Oops a touch of dyslexia. Corona != cornea | 01:31 |
LjL | about 70 people escaped from prison here (well, in the south) yesterday, i think most were caught again though. but widespread riots in the prisons are a little concerning | 01:31 |
oxalis | Italy? | 01:31 |
LjL | yeah | 01:31 |
oxalis | You’re Italian? | 01:31 |
tinwhiskers | Yeah, would suck to be detained and not allowed freedom of movement... oh, wait. | 01:31 |
LjL | yeah | 01:31 |
oxalis | Awesome | 01:32 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, heh... no, the riots began because the emergency law forbade any visits | 01:32 |
LjL | but... like... that's mainly to protect *them* | 01:32 |
tinwhiskers | oh, yeah, I remember reading that now | 01:32 |
oxalis | I made it to Italy once. I found Milan to be the most musical cityscape | 01:32 |
LjL | visits to nursing homes are also forbidden, but i'm not aware of all the gran's rioting | 01:32 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 01:33 |
LjL | oxalis, musical? that's a weird term for a cityscape | 01:33 |
tinwhiskers | maybe some form of synaesthesia? | 01:34 |
Spec | tinwhiskers: something's up with south korea / republic of korea | 01:35 |
oxalis | I mean we opened the apartment window in the mornings and evenings and all the sounds is the city : the trains, traffic, distant bells pealing... I swear as a musician it sounded like music | 01:35 |
oxalis | Perhaps “soundscape” would have been a better word | 01:36 |
LjL | that should make Birosso want to come here... or... not | 01:36 |
tinwhiskers | Spec: Ah. Looks like they've changed to name from South Korea to Republic of Korea and it's mucked something up. I'll check it out | 01:36 |
LjL | oxalis, the trains where i live are more vibration than sound | 01:36 |
Spec | tinwhiskers: thanks :) | 01:37 |
oxalis | Our apartment was next to the station so we heard brakes squeal and announcements on the loudspeaker | 01:37 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, that achieves at least two purposes, making life busier for you so you have to worry less about the coronavirus, and making it clearly less confusing whether they're referring to north or south korea | 01:37 |
LjL | oxalis, you must be a bit of a masochist to like the sound of those damned Trenitalia brakes | 01:38 |
LjL | oil them, ffs | 01:38 |
LjL | i have tinnitus i swear i could stab whoever doesn't maintain trains | 01:38 |
yuttle[m] | https://www.businessinsider.com/inmates-riot-escape-from-italian-prisons-amid-coronavirus-restrictions-2020-3?op=1 | 01:39 |
oxalis | All the sounds mingled as I have never heard and they were truly melodic. | 01:39 |
yuttle[m] | > Six prisoners also broke into an infirmary where they overdosed on methadone and died. | 01:39 |
yuttle[m] | > | 01:39 |
yuttle[m] | jesus | 01:39 |
yuttle[m] | > At least 50 inmates escaped from an Italian prison between Sunday and Monday as tension over sweeping coronavirus restrictions triggered riots in 27 prisons across the country. | 01:41 |
yuttle[m] | Dont blame them at all | 01:41 |
tinwhiskers | hrm. John Hopkins have renamed "South Korea" to "Republic of Korea" but have lost all the time series data somehow | 01:41 |
tinwhiskers | oh, ignore me. they have both. This will take some fiddling | 01:42 |
LjL | oh good grief this matrix bridge can be terrible | 01:43 |
python476 | funny reminder that the web doesnt forget https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fg8aer/4_years_ago_bill_gates_talks_about_how_a_global/ | 01:43 |
LjL | three link posts for a message edit :( | 01:43 |
LjL | python476, but the web (part of it anyway) is now blaming him for causing it | 01:47 |
python476 | LjL of course | 01:53 |
python476 | angry nerds turning villains | 01:53 |
python476 | bill gates is punishing us for not buying windows anymore | 01:54 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, crud. They've renamed Iran as well | 01:54 |
LjL | is it Persia now | 01:54 |
LjL | python476, as if i ever did buy it | 01:55 |
tinwhiskers | Iran (Islamic Republic) | 01:55 |
tinwhiskers | You'd think they could just rename it, but no, they started a second series continuing where the old one stopped | 01:55 |
LjL | as opposed to... the other Iran? | 01:55 |
LjL | sigh | 01:55 |
LjL | so wait | 01:56 |
LjL | %cases south korea | 01:56 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +2 cases (now 134752), +32 recoveries (now 68040) 🔶 Mainland China: +2 cases (now 80763), +36 recoveries (now 60156) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 19) 🔸 Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Chongqing, Mainland China: +5 recoveries (now 547) 🔸 Guangxi, Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 237) 🔸 Heilongjiang, Mai | 01:56 |
LjL | ... and wait more | 01:56 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7513 cases, 53 deaths (0.7% of cases), 247 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 01:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 01:56 |
LjL | this won't even work anymore if it's called "Republic of Korea" | 01:56 |
tinwhiskers | Well, other sites are still calling it South Korea so it gets even messier | 01:57 |
tinwhiskers | I guess I'll rename anything referring to South Korea to the new name assuming they will follow John Hopkins lead | 01:58 |
dunnp | or ask them to switch it back? | 01:58 |
yuttle[m] | Did NK and SK merge? ffs 2020 is wild | 01:59 |
LjL | they were never officially called either | 01:59 |
LjL | but gee what a pain in the ass | 01:59 |
LjL | we're having a pandemic and people are still nitpicking on country names | 02:00 |
dunnp | or throw in some regex? | 02:00 |
tinwhiskers | yeah, that's what I'm doing then but then I end up with two series with the same name and one is clomping the other. I just need to change the way this works a bit. | 02:00 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 00:50 UTC: Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive: Nadine Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is one of 382 confirmed cases in the UK. → https://is.gd/ZetBU6 | 02:04 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, looks like Taiwan was also changed to "Taipei and environs" | 02:13 |
LjL | this is pretty dumb | 02:13 |
LjL | is the WHO running JHU? | 02:13 |
tinwhiskers | It's pretty dumb they started a second series instead of just renaming it | 02:14 |
tinwhiskers | renaming would have been easy to handle | 02:14 |
tinwhiskers | it might just be that someone made a mistake and it will be corrected, but that could take a while | 02:15 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +17 cases (now 134769), +1350 recoveries (now 69390) 🔶 Mainland China: +14 cases (now 80777), +1325 recoveries (now 61481) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 19) 🔸 Egypt: +25 recoveries (now 26) 🔸 Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Beijing, Mainland China: +6 cases (now 435), +6 recoveries (now 326) 🔸 Henan, Main | 02:15 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, no trust me, it's pretty dumb to call Taiwan "Taipei and environs" too in the first place | 02:16 |
tinwhiskers | heh. yeah | 02:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 additional deaths, Italy cases top 10,000 → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 02:18 |
yuttle[m] | No official word from UK govt, but it appears interstates may be in the process of shutting down | 02:18 |
LjL | O.O | 02:19 |
LjL | have they suddenly realized they have many more cases than they thought, or | 02:19 |
isbvm[m] | how did you spot this? | 02:19 |
LjL | are they actually being proactive, or | 02:19 |
yuttle[m] | friend of a friend | 02:19 |
LjL | is this a knee-jerk reaction to the health ministry getting sick, just like italy's initial reaction was to the PD leader getting sick | 02:20 |
commandocrypto[m | :Ɑ ya that's .... not normal | 02:21 |
astraliam[m] | there are still diversions around them, | 02:22 |
yuttle[m] | looks to me they are in the process | 02:22 |
LjL | yuttle[m], i am not seeing those closures on my google maps though | 02:22 |
LjL | oh, nevermind | 02:23 |
LjL | needed to zoom in a bit further | 02:23 |
isbvm[m] | not seeing anything on waze and can see cars going by | 02:25 |
isbvm[m] | anywhere with a particularly obvious blockage? | 02:25 |
yuttle[m] | possible google is putting this up in anticipation? | 02:26 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +250 cases (now 135019), +41 recoveries (now 69431) 🔶 South Korea: +242 cases (now 7755), +41 recoveries (now 288) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 19) 🔸 Egypt: +25 recoveries (now 26) 🔸 Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong SAR: +2 cases (now 120), +5 recoveries (now 65) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 cases (now 80778) 🔸 Panama: +7 cases (now 8) | 02:26 |
commandocrypto[m | stopping the motorways and the trains might be the smartest thing the UK could do right now | 02:27 |
LjL | rather unexpected though, considering Germany and France haven't done anything like that and the UK has fewer cases | 02:28 |
commandocrypto[m | the continent looks like it's circling the drain as we speak | 02:28 |
LjL | i'm keeping an eye on BBC1 | 02:28 |
commandocrypto[m | france also confisticated everyone's ppe. i'm pretty sure macron and merkel are both part of some kinda death cult | 02:29 |
LjL | that doesn't seem so unwarranted given the speculation with masks in italy which is now lacking them for health workers | 02:29 |
yuttle[m] | im personally not convinced the health care system will completely collapse so keeping health care workers able to care seems like the right decision. At the same time, confiscating ppe from citizens is draconian af and something i dont aggree with | 02:31 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 01:25 UTC: Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive: Nadine Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is one of 382 confirmed cases in the UK. → https://is.gd/ZetBU6 | 02:32 |
isbvm[m] | ppe? | 02:32 |
LjL | personal protective equipment | 02:32 |
isbvm[m] | ah | 02:32 |
LjL | masks and googles and gloves etc | 02:32 |
LjL | goggles | 02:32 |
commandocrypto[m | https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11137090/brits-face-coronavirus-lockdown-italy/ | 02:32 |
commandocrypto[m | > Checkpoints on motorways, toll booths, train stations and airports are expected to be introduced on Tuesday. Dr Jenny Harris, deputy chief medical officer, fears thousands of Brits will be infected over the next week. She said: "The chief medical officer and chief scientific adviser say there's likely to be more cases. | 02:32 |
yuttle[m] | Dang | 02:33 |
yuttle[m] | 15min leadtime | 02:33 |
yuttle[m] | guess it makes sense google knows before us | 02:33 |
commandocrypto[m | the sun posted that 17 hours ago but no one i know had noticed | 02:34 |
yuttle[m] | oh well there ya go | 02:35 |
Birrosso | %cases Egypt | 02:35 |
Brainstorm | Birrosso: In all areas, Egypt, there are 59 cases, 1 deaths (1.7% of cases), 26 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 02:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Egypt for time series data. | 02:35 |
Brainstorm | Birrosso: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 3.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:35 |
LjL | commandocrypto[m, that line from the Sun is about Italy though... | 02:35 |
IronY | %data canada | 02:38 |
Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Canada, there are 94 cases, 1 deaths (1.1% of cases), 8 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 02:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 02:38 |
IronY | there getting better info then John Hopkins | 02:39 |
IronY | "Because the John Hopkins data is only updated after the end of each day, interim non-authoritative data is also included for the current day and may be viewed by turning on the "Include latest non-authoritative data" checkbox. These values will increase over the course of the day and may be misleading. Use with caution." gotcha | 02:40 |
commandocrypto[m | LjL: oh ya hrm ... sry. my reading comprehension goes to zero on that website which is kinda too bad because sometimes it's the best (or at least the first) sauce for some things | 02:40 |
Birrosso | #cases Italy | 02:41 |
Birrosso | %ases Italy | 02:41 |
Birrosso | DAMN IT! | 02:41 |
Birrosso | %Cases Italy | 02:41 |
Brainstorm | Birrosso: In all areas, Italy, there are 10149 cases, 631 deaths (6.2% of cases), 1004 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 02:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 02:41 |
IronY | %cases ottawa | 02:41 |
Brainstorm | IronY: Sorry, ottawa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 02:41 |
IronY | %cases toronto | 02:42 |
Brainstorm | IronY: Sorry, toronto not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 02:42 |
IronY | %cases canada toronto | 02:42 |
Brainstorm | IronY: Sorry, canada toronto not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 02:42 |
LjL | try in PM | 02:42 |
Birrosso | Wait, did Italy increase by almost 300 in one day? | 02:42 |
LjL | %cases ontario | 02:42 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Ontario, Canada, there are 36 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 18:13:32 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ontario for time series data. | 02:42 |
IronY | LjL: Yeah they switched it 2 days ago | 02:42 |
LjL | Birrosso, what, cases? no, they increased by more | 02:42 |
IronY | Canada stopped reporting by city to these stat places | 02:42 |
Birrosso | Deaths. | 02:42 |
LjL | Birrosso, no i think it was about 160 | 02:42 |
Birrosso | Weren't we at 300 something yesterday/ | 02:42 |
Birrosso | Hmm | 02:42 |
LjL | afraid not | 02:42 |
LjL | Birrosso, but the *cases* are probably being underestimated now, there was some glitch with the test results today | 02:43 |
IronY | Birrosso: you may be thinking of Ontario Califronia? | 02:43 |
LjL | so 6.2% looking even scarier than usual may go back down somewhat again i guess | 02:43 |
Birrosso | IronY: No. | 02:43 |
LjL | the UK almost seems to have fewer motorways than Italy, incidentally | 02:48 |
LjL | "South Korean officials have shared their experiences in containing the outbreak, saying that citywide lockdowns, as imposed by China in Wuhan, where the outbreak originated, are difficult to enforce in an open society." | 03:11 |
LjL | Spec, guess we just have to turn into a closed society then :D | 03:11 |
Spec | but they've been successful anyways? | 03:12 |
LjL | yeah | 03:13 |
LjL | "The importance of maintaining good hygiene has also been stressed. South Koreans seldom leave their homes without wearing a face mask, with many buildings putting up signs reading “No Masks, No Entry”. Restaurant workers and retail staff wear masks while serving customers." | 03:13 |
LjL | while the WHO still tells us not to wear masks | 03:13 |
LjL | i kind of wonder WHO they're working for | 03:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:10 UTC: (news): People are stealing hand sanitizer and surgical masks from doctors' offices because of coronavirus fears → https://is.gd/NVOAEE | 03:13 |
LjL | "Covid-19 tests are prohibitively expensive in many countries but in South Korea, all tests are free. The country is also capable of processing up to 15,000 diagnostic tests a day, and the aggregate number of tests has reached almost 200,000." | 03:15 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +248 cases (now 135267), +17 recoveries (now 69409) 🔶 Republic of Korea: +242 cases (now 7755) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +7 cases (now 14) 🔸 British Columbia, Canada: +7 cases (now 39) 🔸 China: +1 cases (now 80955), +17 recoveries (now 61551) 🔸 Guangdong, China: +8 recoveries (now 1282) 🔸 Jiangxi, China: +5 recoveries (now 932) 🔸 Shandong, China: +1 cases (now 759), +2 recoveries (now 721) 🔸 Zhejiang, C | 03:21 |
Spec | LjL: too bad about that global mask shortage? | 03:22 |
LjL | Spec, except they somehow have them, and so chinese | 03:23 |
Spec | as far as i understand, china makes many of the masks | 03:23 |
LjL | Spec, to be fair china is supposed to be sending us one million masks (surgical) and 100k "high technology" (n95 or so i guess) | 03:23 |
LjL | which is only fair since we sent them masks before | 03:23 |
LjL | our EU neighbors on the other hand are requisitioning their production and banning exports :P | 03:23 |
Spec | do they have enough production? | 03:24 |
yuriwho | hmm, British Health Minister tested positive | 03:26 |
LjL | Spec, probably not | 03:26 |
LjL | yuriwho, and coincidentally, the whole UK motorway network appears to be subject to closures on Google Maps | 03:26 |
yuriwho | wow | 03:26 |
LjL | yuriwho, it reminds me a bit of how Italy implemented lockdown after the leader of a majority party tested positive | 03:27 |
LjL | Spec, yuriwho: potentially not so very good news for Italy... our ISS has somehow established that the Italian clusters originated from someone from Iran, although they haven't established the entire chain of contacts. now i know the virus is supposedly similar to the variety in Germany, but somehow both Iran and Italy seem to be taking a much worse toll than other countries | 03:28 |
LjL | %tr Sono stati diagnosticati 583casi tra operatori sanitari, indicando la possibilità di trasmissione nosocomiale dell’infezione.Questo dato potrebbe essere sottostimato in quanto per una parte dei casi, soprattutto quelli diagnosticati più recentemente, non è stata ancora completata l’indagine epidemiologica | 03:30 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: 583 cases have been diagnosed among healthcare professionals, indicating the possibility of nosocomial transmission of the infection. This figure could be underestimated because for a part of the cases, especially those diagnosed more recently, the epidemiological investigation has not yet been completed (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 03:31 |
tinwhiskers | Spec: OK, that takes care of merging the data for the four series that changed (Hong Kong SAR, Republic of South Korea, Iran (Islamic Republic of), Taipei and environs)) for the time series graphs, but there's still a few issues with the "non-authoritatic data" so LjL might expect a few things to break in the near future :-) | 03:31 |
tinwhiskers | *non-authoritative | 03:31 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, you may expect me to be sleeping in the near future, so maybe just expect the bot to be broken :P | 03:32 |
tinwhiskers | I'll try to minimise it :-) | 03:32 |
contingo | what is happen | 03:33 |
tinwhiskers | Also noteworthy is that South Korea has a *decline* in recovered cases. Presumably a correction. | 03:33 |
Spec | tinwhiskers: nice :) | 03:34 |
tinwhiskers | contingo: John Hopkins renamed some series but instead of just renaming them they made new series starting from today and left the older data under the old name so it broke stuff | 03:35 |
contingo | right | 03:35 |
contingo | OK, I was reacting to UK motorways closure rumor, but I don't think it's happening | 03:35 |
tinwhiskers | oh. right. | 03:37 |
LjL | it seems unlikely, it could just be that glitches that happen on things like google maps would normally be ignored but now you see them and you're like "?!" | 03:37 |
LjL | %cases south korea | 03:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7755 cases, 53 deaths (0.7% of cases), 288 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:20:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 03:38 |
LjL | %cases republic of korea | 03:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Republic of Korea, there are 7755 cases, 54 deaths (0.7% of cases), 247 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:18:14 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Republic%20of%20Korea for time series data. | 03:38 |
fructose | https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/issues/405 | 03:40 |
isbvm[m] | what's the deal with people getting reinfected / dying after "recovering"? | 03:40 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 additional deaths, Italy cases top 10,000 → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 03:41 |
LjL | isbvm[m], wish i knew | 03:41 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, see the issue fructose linked | 03:41 |
tinwhiskers | Ah, thanks fructose and LjL. I guess we'll just deal with whatever they decide tomorrow or so | 03:42 |
fructose | isbvm[m]: My guess would be infection of the central nervous system, but I'm no medical doctor | 03:42 |
isbvm[m] | classic guardian 👀 | 03:45 |
fructose | A previous coronavirus... https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/113/1/e73.full.pdf | 03:45 |
LjL | fructose, i just hope these are rare and isolated cases :\ | 03:47 |
LjL | because it's a nightmare scenario within a nightmare scenario to think of widespread CNS involvement in most/all patients | 03:48 |
fructose | LjL: Likewise, I've been worried about it creating a chronic disease even after initial recovery | 03:49 |
fructose | But that's worst-case thinking | 03:49 |
LjL | i'm good at that | 03:49 |
ryouma | fructose: this has ben a concern since the beginning even if it is not specifically caysing such. m.e. gets started from many sources. | 03:52 |
LjL_stay_safe | Hello. | 03:52 |
ryouma | including ordinary flu | 03:52 |
ryouma | then nobody recovers | 03:52 |
ryouma | what neur symptoms | 03:54 |
Spec | tinwhiskers: yo | 03:54 |
tinwhiskers | hey | 03:54 |
Spec | tinwhiskers: i'm super concerned we have zombies in japan | 03:54 |
tinwhiskers | lol | 03:54 |
Spec | what gives? do you know? | 03:55 |
tinwhiskers | I see | 03:55 |
tinwhiskers | John Hopkins are reorganising their data | 03:55 |
LjL | %cases india | 03:55 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, India, there are 62 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:47:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 03:55 |
tinwhiskers | I think I'll have to wait until they finish | 03:55 |
LjL | %cases japan | 03:55 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Japan, there are 587 cases, 10 deaths (1.7% of cases), 102 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:47:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 03:55 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 03:55 |
Spec | tinwhiskers: yeah, likely related | 03:56 |
tinwhiskers | There | 03:56 |
tinwhiskers | I also have a new country called Georgia with all the US states in it :-/ | 03:56 |
Spec | haha | 03:56 |
LjL | that's cruel and unusual | 03:56 |
ryouma | that is not proper social distancing | 03:57 |
tinwhiskers | I think the realised doing all the counties might get a bit ridiculous | 03:57 |
Spec | yeah | 03:57 |
ryouma | the display is not accessible so i only see thefirst few letters | 03:58 |
LjL | Spec, i wanted to recommend the (italian) seller of my new Walkman to a Walkman forum i'm on, but he said he's considering cancelling all his listing due to uncertainty about future availability of post/courier services :( | 04:00 |
LjL_stay_safe | Rip economy | 04:01 |
contingo | my retrieving the barest of assessments for you guys, "on the ground" in China, from my more distant family, resulted in the fallout I feared | 04:18 |
contingo | now being bombarded with fake news and conspiracy FUD vids from them via WhatsApp | 04:19 |
contingo | so I consider that I took one for the team | 04:19 |
Spec | oh my | 04:20 |
Spec | are you sure it is fakenews and conspiracies? | 04:20 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 04:21 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 03:10 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Patricia Mazzei su Twitter: "The eight new Florida patients tonight bring the number of coronavirus cases in the United States to more than 1,000, according to our @nytimes database: https://t.co/8YE1Gdapxr… https://t.co/OifSFfoIKs" → https://is.gd/dXEGQl | 04:22 |
fructose | contingo: That's not so bad, it could have been TikTok | 04:23 |
LjL | contingo, so do they actually know anything about the practical situation outside of conspiracy theories they have enveloped themselves in? | 04:25 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +37 cases (now 135304), +5 recoveries (now 69414) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +7 cases (now 14) 🔸 British Columbia, Canada: +7 cases (now 39) 🔸 China: +1 cases (now 80955), +22 recoveries (now 61556) 🔸 Guangdong, China: +8 recoveries (now 1282) 🔸 Guizhou, China: +4 recoveries (now 133) 🔸 Jiangxi, China: +5 recoveries (now 932) 🔸 Shandong, China: +1 cases (now 759), | 04:28 |
contingo | a lot of them are real news, footage of some actual, long-available press briefing concerning America-China corrupt business or espionage arrests and investigations, that in some cases have a connection with stuff in Wuhan (not the virus) | 04:28 |
contingo | but the clip will be captioned IS CORONAVIRUS A BIOWEAPON | 04:28 |
LjL | well, time to sleep and find out if Britain is without a road network tomorrow | 04:29 |
contingo | and some vital bit of info making clear whatever they're talking about has nothing to do with the virus, will be edited out | 04:30 |
contingo | lol fructose | 04:30 |
contingo | me too LjL | 04:30 |
LjL | such very strange times | 04:30 |
LjL | i don't actually mean to make an understatement but i don't know how to describe what's going on | 04:31 |
LjL | i think the word is "pandemic" but the WHO says no | 04:31 |
Spec | who knows best | 04:35 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 03:35 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Two thirds of all active cases are now outside of China → https://is.gd/WvX9kT | 04:37 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +42 cases (now 135346), +68 deaths (now 4646) 🔶 Iran: +54 deaths (now 291) 🔸 China: +1 cases (now 80956) 🔸 Taipei and environs, China: +1 cases (now 48) 🔸 Czech Republic: +22 cases (now 63) 🔸 Japan: +2 deaths (now 12) 🔸 Panama: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 South Korea: +8 deaths (now 61) 🔸 Spain: +1 deaths (now 36) 🔸 US: +19 cases (now 1020), +2 deaths (now 30) 🔸 Florida, US: +8 cases (now 28) 🔸 | 04:45 |
fructose | Just a fun reminder, it'll be down to close to zero within a couple of days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoJlNEmxf0w&t=1872 | 04:48 |
tinwhiskers | fructose: phew. that's a relief. | 04:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:14 UTC: US coronavirus cases surpass 1,000, Johns Hopkins University data shows: There were just over 100 confirmed cases in the U.S. one week ago, on March 4, according to the World Health Organization. → https://is.gd/AXChZY | 05:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases cross 1,000, South Korea reports 242 new cases → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 05:36 |
Albright | "Taipei and environs, China" | 05:43 |
Albright | The CCP appreciates your cooperation, Brainstorm. | 05:43 |
Albright | %data taiwan | 05:43 |
Brainstorm | Albright: In Taiwan, Taiwan, there are 45 cases, 1 deaths (2.2% of cases), 15 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 01:05:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. | 05:43 |
Brainstorm | Albright: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 05:43 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 04:47 UTC: Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive: Nadine Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is one of 382 confirmed cases in the UK. → https://is.gd/ZetBU6 | 05:49 |
swift110 | hmm | 05:51 |
IronY | So tired of reading about testing people | 05:53 |
IronY | we are we still testing people in areas of communal spread | 05:53 |
IronY | so they get tested, test negative, contract it 2 mins later, and think there all good for 2 weeks | 05:53 |
IronY | logic I tell yeah | 05:53 |
swift110 | ph wow | 05:55 |
freebobby[m] | would an italian be able to translate what going on here? | 05:57 |
freebobby[m] | Besides them going ACAB | 05:57 |
swift110 | wow | 05:57 |
Zalyssa | ugh I hate matrix | 06:08 |
freebobby[m] | oh sorry if that fuqd ur chat | 06:09 |
swift110 | y | 06:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:15 UTC: Global coronavirus outbreak has 'exploded' and the aftermath could last a year, Singapore's foreign minister says: The new coronavirus has infected more than 110,000 people across at least 110 countries and territories, with over 4,000 deaths globally, according to the World Health Organization. → https://is.gd/xl9PzY | 06:17 |
bigfluff | %data oregon | 06:18 |
Brainstorm | bigfluff: In OR, US, there are 12 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 20:13:21 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 06:18 |
greyman | %data turkey | 06:28 |
Brainstorm | greyman: In all areas, Turkey, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 04:33:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 06:28 |
IronY | Just waiting for the WHO to announce weed cures coronavirus and the economy is saved by an investment in cheetos | 06:30 |
IronY | that be nice | 06:30 |
IronY | *crosses fingers* | 06:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases cross 1,000, South Korea reports 242 new cases → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 06:31 |
Albright | My cancer, diabetes, and autism were cured by CBD oil tinctures | 06:31 |
bigfluff | CBD is a beautiful creature | 06:32 |
swift110 | oh | 06:32 |
bigfluff | THC...I enjoy her more than I should too :) | 06:32 |
IronY | I 100% guarantee someone out there is trying to cure them self with CBD right now | 06:33 |
Albright | Homeopathic CBD oil | 06:35 |
Albright | It's water with no CBD in it and that makes the CBD even more powerful | 06:36 |
IronY | I am assuming [m] is mobile | 06:36 |
Albright | I think it's Matrix. Got some of those types over here. | 06:36 |
Poon | %data vietnam | 06:55 |
Brainstorm | Poon: Sorry, vietnam not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:55 |
Poon | %data Vietnam | 06:55 |
Brainstorm | Poon: Sorry, Vietnam not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:55 |
azbycx | two words | 06:57 |
azbycx | viet nam | 06:57 |
swift110 | lol | 06:57 |
Albright | %data viet nam | 06:58 |
Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, Viet Nam, there are 31 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 20:13:21 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Viet%20Nam for time series data. | 06:58 |
azbycx | says 31 on the john hopkins site. | 06:58 |
Poon | Thanks @Albright | 07:04 |
tinwhiskers | John Hopkins are working on their data as we speak so things are in a flux. They've now merged the duplicate data sets that arose from renaming some countries so my fix to address became useless. They still have both the US counties and US states inside down for US so now the total is double what it should be, but I'm not going to attempt to address that until things settle down. | 07:11 |
tinwhiskers | So expect some figures to be a bit wonky until sometime tomorrow-ish (GMT+13) | 07:12 |
tinwhiskers | erm, just pretend what I said made sense for now. | 07:12 |
tinwhiskers | Also, due to the changed names the bleeding-edge figures for some countries won't be working. I'll fix those tomorrow as well. | 07:15 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 Veneto, Italy: +186 cases (now 856), +8 deaths (now 26), +18 recoveries (now 47) 🔶 Toscana, Italy: +98 cases (now 264), +1 deaths (now 1), +2 recoveries (now 3) 🔶 Piemonte, Italy: +93 cases (now 453), +12 deaths (now 17) 🔶 Marche, Italy: +122 cases (now 394), +6 deaths (now 13) 🔶 Lombardia, Italy: +1602 cases (now 5791), +201 deaths (now 468), +346 recoveries (now 896) 🔶 Liguria, Italy: +63 cases (no | 07:26 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 06:15 UTC: Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive: Nadine Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is one of 382 confirmed cases in the UK. → https://is.gd/ZetBU6 | 07:26 |
otisolsen70 | %data italy | 08:35 |
Brainstorm | otisolsen70: In all areas, Italy, there are 10149 cases, 631 deaths (6.2% of cases), 1004 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 08:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 08:35 |
otisolsen70 | %data denmark | 08:35 |
Brainstorm | otisolsen70: In all areas, Denmark, there are 262 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 18:33:34 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 08:35 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Bank of England cuts interest rates, US cases cross 1,000 → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 08:35 |
otisolsen70 | %data sweden | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | otisolsen70: In all areas, Sweden, there are 355 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:18:14 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 08:42 |
otisolsen70 | %data norway | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | otisolsen70: In all areas, Norway, there are 401 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 08:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Norway for time series data. | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:45 UTC: Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive: Nadine Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is one of 382 confirmed cases in the UK. → https://is.gd/ZetBU6 | 08:49 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 07:54 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Emergenza coronavirus, arriva il piano per lâeconomia da 10 miliardi - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/BxCypX | 09:03 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:14 UTC: Italy passes 10,000 coronavirus cases as national quarantine moves closer to total 'shutdown': More than 10,000 people have now been confirmed to have the coronavirus in Italy as a national lockdown remains in place and potentially tougher measures are considered. → https://is.gd/VlQgVK | 09:17 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +55 cases (now 119377), +4 recoveries (now 66251) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Bahrain: +2 cases (now 112) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 97), +1 recoveries (now 9) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80957), +14 recoveries (now 61570) 🔸 Chongqing, China: +2 recoveries (now 549) 🔸 Henan, | 09:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Bank of England cuts interest rates, US cases cross 1,000 → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 09:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:56 UTC: (news): Italy passes 10,000 coronavirus cases as national quarantine moves closer to total 'shutdown' → https://is.gd/VlQgVK | 09:58 |
commandocrypto[m | anyone heard any updates on the efficacy of traditional chinese medicine in treating the disease? asking for a friend | 10:06 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +158 cases (now 119535) 🔶 Denmark: +78 cases (now 340) 🔶 Bahrain: +79 cases (now 189) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 97), +1 recoveries (now 9) 🔸 China: +3 cases (now 80958), +14 recoveries (now 61570) 🔸 Chongqing, China: +2 recoveries (now 549) | 10:07 |
petersjt014[m] | So far it ain't looking like much of anything: https://pubpeer.com/publications/5E708B08D398F43E6AA5EE7446E4E3#1 | 10:07 |
petersjt014[m] | Moreover, tcm isn't based in actual replicable science. | 10:08 |
petersjt014[m] | If the person in question is subject to the placebo effect them maybe some minor positive effects could occur | 10:09 |
petersjt014[m] | But we currently have no reason to believe it works in any measurable capacity in a proper triple-blinded controlled study. | 10:11 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 08:58 UTC: Coronavirus: Health minister Nadine Dorries tests positive: Nadine Dorries, the first MP to test positive, is one of 382 confirmed cases in the UK. → https://is.gd/ZetBU6 | 10:11 |
commandocrypto[m | petersjt014: thanks. just trying to keep ourselves aware of how to be ready to treat. esp. since it's seeming like there won't be ample supply of medecine soon | 10:19 |
petersjt014[m] | Wash your hands, use common sense, don't panic buy masks because the sick need them, and so on. An actual cure/treatment is likely over a year out, so 'miracle cures' should be viewed with as much suspicion as always. | 10:26 |
petersjt014[m] | Actually even more suspicion now that I think about it: con artists are found to be especially active and using the current panic to prey on the scared and gullible. | 10:28 |
petersjt014[m] | Actually even more suspicion now that I think about it: con artists are going to be especially active and using the current panic to prey on the scared and gullible. | 10:28 |
mandiblegrip | petersjt014[m]: My company sent around an email from the "CDC" today, warning of a coming pandemic. | 10:29 |
mandiblegrip | Anyone stupid enough to click the link in the email was forced to do phishing/cybersecurity training. | 10:29 |
mandiblegrip | I was pretty surprised that they would do something like that, but they did. | 10:30 |
petersjt014[m] | Meta-phishing? Nice. | 10:30 |
mandiblegrip | petersjt014[m]: haha yep | 10:30 |
petersjt014[m] | Reminds me of something | 10:30 |
petersjt014[m] | I had a relative who was interviewing someone who was maybe going to join the company | 10:31 |
petersjt014[m] | Programming/IT position | 10:31 |
petersjt014[m] | Apparently they gave very vague answers to any skill based questions | 10:32 |
petersjt014[m] | So I suggested that they make up some nonexistent programming languages and ask the guy what kind of things he had written in them. | 10:33 |
petersjt014[m] | hehehe | 10:33 |
petersjt014[m] | I wanted to suggest Q# because that name amuses me but microsofts into quantum shit now so that's a real thing | 10:35 |
mandiblegrip | petersjt014[m]: Oh no, why have you told me this? Now I'm going to read about this all night. | 10:37 |
petersjt014[m] | It's okay, it's not _too_ interesting. They mostly just embiggened the type system and you can't even do much unless you wanna tolerate a slow-ass quantum emulator. | 10:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Bank of England cuts interest rates, US cases cross 1,000 → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 10:39 |
BoNgleger | %data germany | 11:10 |
Brainstorm | BoNgleger: In all areas, Germany, there are 1574 cases, 2 deaths (0.1% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 11:10 |
Timvde | %cases Belgium | 11:16 |
Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 267 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 12:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 11:16 |
Timvde | First death | 11:17 |
Timvde | 90 year old with a long medical history | 11:17 |
mefistofeles | %data Germany | 11:22 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +70 cases (now 119605), +9 recoveries (now 66260) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 12) 🔸 Burkina Faso: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 China: +9 cases (now 80967), +8 recoveries (now 61578) 🔸 Guangdong, China: +3 cases (now 1356) 🔸 Hong Kong SAR, C | 11:22 |
mefistofeles | %cases Germany | 11:22 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 1574 cases, 2 deaths (0.1% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 11:22 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 1574 cases, 2 deaths (0.1% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 11:22 |
mefistofeles | oops, sorry | 11:22 |
mefistofeles | so Korea does seem to be stabilizng, interesting | 11:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 10:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: Conte, stanziati 25 miliardi. Non c'è nessuna chiusura verso misure più restrittive - Sanità - ANSA.it → https://is.gd/FyQJoP | 11:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:25 UTC: (news): Italy passes 10,000 coronavirus cases as national quarantine moves closer to total 'shutdown' → https://is.gd/VlQgVK | 11:33 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:43 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Italy hikes spending to tackle virus, says further restrictions could come: Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced the government will set even more money aside to tackle the outbreak, raising spending to $28.3 billion. → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 11:47 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +74 cases (now 119679), +2 deaths (now 4294) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 12) 🔸 Burkina Faso: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 China: +9 cases (now 80967), +8 recoveries (now 61578) 🔸 Guangdong, China: +3 cases (now 1356) 🔸 Hong Kong SAR, China: | 11:54 |
CatButtes[m] | %cases uk | 11:57 |
Brainstorm | CatButtes[m]: In all areas, UK, there are 383 cases, 6 deaths (1.6% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 11:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=UK for time series data. | 11:57 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +76 cases (now 119755), +72 recoveries (now 66332) 🔶 Hubei, China: +72 recoveries (now 49134) 🔶 China: +9 cases (now 80967), +80 recoveries (now 61650) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 12) 🔸 Burkina Faso: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 Guang | 12:07 |
azy2 | https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts | 12:13 |
Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic at 11:00 UTC: What Happens If You Get Sick: COVID-19 is not the flu. We have a vaccine for the flu. We have anti-viral medications designed to treat the flu. We have a sense of what to expect when we catch the flu, and when it’s necessary to seek medical attention. Doctors have experience treating the flu, and tests to help [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Kseul4 | 12:15 |
sneep | :| | 12:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:18 UTC: US coronavirus cases surpass 1,000, Johns Hopkins University data shows: There were just over 100 confirmed cases in the U.S. one week ago, on March 4, according to the World Health Organization. → https://is.gd/AXChZY | 12:28 |
Lillie[m] | %cases Poland | 12:43 |
Brainstorm | Lillie[m]: In all areas, Poland, there are 25 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:13:10 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Poland for time series data. | 12:43 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:53 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Italy hikes spending to tackle virus, says further restrictions could come: Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced the government will set even more money aside to tackle the outbreak, raising spending to $28.3 billion. → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 12:56 |
Tobi[m] | maybe this is a thing to do? | 13:03 |
Tobi[m] | https://foldingathome.org/2020/02/27/foldinghome-takes-up-the-fight-against-covid-19-2019-ncov/ | 13:03 |
mefistofeles | Tobi[m]: sure, I mean, it doesn't guarantee anything, but it doesn't hurt to give some computer power to that cause | 13:03 |
mefistofeles | there's also rosetta@home | 13:04 |
Tobi[m] | yeah I knew the seti@home project | 13:04 |
mefistofeles | I mean, rosetta@home is also focused now on SARS-CoV-2jobs | 13:08 |
mefistofeles | I mean, rosetta@home is also focused now on SARS-CoV-2 jobs/tasks* | 13:08 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +78 cases (now 121349), +3 deaths (now 4370), +240 recoveries (now 66573) 🔶 Sweden: +54 cases (now 409) 🔶 Iran (Islamic Republic of): +228 recoveries (now 2959) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Albania: +2 cases (now 12) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Belgium: +47 cases (now 314), +1 deaths (now 1) | 13:11 |
oxalis | Which is the most effective home computer computational sharing networks for fighting Coronavirus? | 13:13 |
mefistofeles | http://new.robetta.org/results.php?id=15652 it's a really large protein | 13:13 |
mefistofeles | would be nice to compare it to the RBD in the reported cryoEM structure | 13:14 |
mefistofeles | oxalis: I don't fully understand what you are asking, sorry, can you rephrase? | 13:14 |
oxalis | I want to donate computational cycles to help. But aren’t there different @home things? | 13:15 |
oxalis | Which ones are doing the Coronavirus? | 13:15 |
mefistofeles | ah ok | 13:15 |
mefistofeles | oxalis: so prbably now only folding@home, since I think rosetta@home already finished the coronavirus modelling jobs (not sure if there are some others going on, though) | 13:16 |
python476 | o/ | 13:16 |
oxalis | Thanks, mefistofeles | 13:16 |
python476 | cool question oxalis | 13:17 |
python476 | thought folding@home worked on it, is it a different project than rosetta ? | 13:17 |
mefistofeles | python476: yes, folding@home is doing protein-protein molecular dynamics (or similar) simulations to study the interaction or forming of complexes | 13:19 |
mefistofeles | whereas rosetta@home does modelling of structures, specifically they made a de-novo prediction of the whole S protein for the virion of SARS-CoV-2 | 13:19 |
oxalis | But Rosetta is no longer working on Coronavirus? | 13:21 |
mefistofeles | I think they are not, but not 100% sure | 13:21 |
mefistofeles | since they already came up with results for the whole S protein | 13:21 |
mefistofeles | they may be trying to model other parts of the virion, but not sure | 13:21 |
mefistofeles | also, since the S protein is known to be the relevant one for the binding to the ACE2 receptor | 13:22 |
oxalis | I have a reasonably powerful PC with tons of memory. Maybe I’ll run both in parallel | 13:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:14 UTC: Italy hikes spending to tackle virus, says further restrictions could come: Italy's Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte announced the government will set even more money aside to tackle the outbreak, raising spending to $28.3 billion. → https://is.gd/vJeQ1c | 13:23 |
mefistofeles | oxalis: actually, running just one each time should be better, imho | 13:24 |
mefistofeles | you can run one now and the the other later, and such | 13:24 |
mefistofeles | also the tasks done by folding@home are more coomputationally costly, so you may want to give them more computation time to that | 13:25 |
sneep | Started folding@home a couple days ago, used to be an active folder over 10 years ago | 13:28 |
sneep | if anyone's interested in creating a group for this channel i'll join :p | 13:28 |
mefistofeles | I actually need all my computational power for my work right now, but maybe later, sure | 13:32 |
mefistofeles | woah, Iç m actually very impressed with the rosetta@home work | 13:40 |
mefistofeles | the model is really close to the structure Executive: RMSD = 1.954 (16812 to 16812 atoms) | 13:40 |
mefistofeles | just did the calculations myself | 13:40 |
mefistofeles | how the f... they do it? I'm struggling with my models? :( haha | 13:42 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany's Merkel says most people will get COVID-19, Italy hikes outbreak spending → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 13:51 |
Lillie[m] | %cases France | 13:52 |
Brainstorm | Lillie[m]: In all areas, France, there are 1784 cases, 33 deaths (1.8% of cases), 12 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 19:53:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 13:52 |
mefistofeles | %data Italy | 14:05 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Italy, there are 10149 cases, 631 deaths (6.2% of cases), 1004 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 13:46:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 14:05 |
mefistofeles | that's freaking crazy, do we have information about the age groups for the fatalities? Specially in the last few days | 14:06 |
LjL | Expect a lot of cases today I think | 14:06 |
mefistofeles | probably | 14:06 |
LjL | mefistofeles: not for the very last few days, but yes, they're in the pastebin, scroll to bottom | 14:06 |
LjL | Yesterday new cases were underreported | 14:07 |
LjL | New deaths weren't, hence the seemingly scary increase in fatality... At least I hope that's it | 14:07 |
LjL | But within Lombardy it is >6% anyway | 14:07 |
mefistofeles | LjL: https://ugeo.urbistat.com/AdminStat/en/it/demografia/eta/lombardia/3/2 this? | 14:08 |
LjL | They are actually starting to built new hospitals (finally) | 14:08 |
LjL | mefistofeles: no that's general demographics | 14:09 |
LjL | The ISS links | 14:09 |
LjL | Google Translate will do an okay job with them | 14:09 |
mefistofeles | LjL: sorry, I don't know which link is, I can't find it | 14:11 |
LjL | mefistofeles: okay I'm using the phone now, I'll show you when I get at the computer | 14:12 |
mefistofeles | LjL: sure, no problem | 14:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany's Merkel says most people will get virus, Italy hikes outbreak spending → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 14:18 |
mefistofeles | I like Merkel, that's expected | 14:19 |
oxalis | https://staythefuckhome.com/ | 14:20 |
LjL | Most people will get the virus... That's not something our authorities have ever had he guts to say | 14:20 |
LjL | Maybe one particular epidemiologist with little restraint and bad manners (but who turned out to be right all along) may have said it | 14:21 |
python476 | I'm starting an online covid trading platform | 14:21 |
python476 | so people can benefit from getting viruses | 14:21 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +110 cases (now 121459), +4 deaths (now 4374), +4 recoveries (now 66577) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Albania: +2 cases (now 12), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Belgium: +47 cases (now 314), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Burkina Faso: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 China: +3 recoveries (now 61653) 🔸 G | 14:21 |
mefistofeles | LjL: yeah, even though the guys/girls/experts in TWIV did say it | 14:22 |
mefistofeles | weeks ago, already | 14:22 |
oxalis | I'm planning on getting infected next week | 14:23 |
oxalis | Not looking forward to it though | 14:23 |
mefistofeles | I probably have it already, likely | 14:24 |
LjL | oxalis, don't be reckless, we don't know what this virus does in the long term | 14:24 |
LjL | mefistofeles, do you? | 14:24 |
mefistofeles | LjL: I mean, we have lots of cases and I've been near lots of people the alst few days | 14:24 |
LjL | mefistofeles, my bad, the links i was pointing you to earlier are not in the pastebin yet, just my local version that i hadn't uploaded yet apparently... | 14:25 |
mefistofeles | LjL: no worries, when you ahve the time | 14:25 |
mefistofeles | have* | 14:25 |
oxalis | I'm going to be handwashing, disinfecting, etc. But I'll be traveling from Texas to southern California, so I'm probably going to get exposed | 14:25 |
mefistofeles | I actually met someone yesterday that a collegue of her tested positive, she didn't, though | 14:25 |
LjL | mefistofeles, https://www.iss.it/en/comunicati-stampa/-/asset_publisher/fjTKmjJgSgdK/content/id/5286166 and https://www.iss.it/en/comunicati-stampa/-/asset_publisher/fjTKmjJgSgdK/content/id/5288119 and https://www.iss.it/en/comunicati-stampa/-/asset_publisher/fjTKmjJgSgdK/content/id/5286166 (this last one is patients, not deaths) | 14:26 |
mefistofeles | *colleague | 14:26 |
phil | https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1237721182494957568?s=19 | 14:26 |
LjL | mefistofeles, the ISS also announced they are going to publish an epidemiology summary including ages and comorbidities twice a week from now one (tuesdays and fridays) | 14:26 |
oxalis | %data SanDiego | 14:26 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: Sorry, SanDiego not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 14:26 |
oxalis | %data San Diego | 14:26 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: In San Diego County, CA, US, there are 3 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 06:35:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=San%20Diego%20County,%20CA for time series data. | 14:26 |
oxalis | %data Texas | 14:26 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: In TX, US, there are 16 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:13:10 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 14:26 |
oxalis | %data New Mexico | 14:26 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: Sorry, New Mexico not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 14:27 |
fedorafan | hello | 14:27 |
oxalis | %data Arizona | 14:27 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: In AZ, US, there are 6 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:13:10 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 14:27 |
sneep | There seem to be fewer people in the west who believe the virus can be contained | 14:27 |
oxalis | The USA Government has failed and given up | 14:27 |
LjL | sneep, it cannot, and the WHO has been saying as much for a while, exept they also say we must act *as if* it can | 14:27 |
sneep | Even though it was contained in China | 14:27 |
sneep | (sort of) | 14:27 |
sneep | I.e., not everyone in Wuhan got it | 14:28 |
pwr22 | I've just started watching contagion 😭 | 14:29 |
sneep | It seems like China put in a huge effort to contain the virus and that effort was completely in vain | 14:29 |
mefistofeles | Korea is also showing containment now | 14:29 |
LjL | sneep, yes that's why the WHO is saying it, it worked in some places, so it would be foolish to send the message "just give up", but in Europe it doesn't seem like it has a chance of working, at least not *as* containment | 14:29 |
sneep | Unless they managed to slow it down enough | 14:30 |
LjL | Korea is showing a slowdown for now | 14:30 |
mefistofeles | slowdown, yes | 14:30 |
LjL | it's very promising but i wouldn't call it containment | 14:30 |
mefistofeles | that's a better work | 14:30 |
mefistofeles | word* | 14:30 |
LjL | the WHO makes a distinction between containment and mitigation | 14:30 |
mefistofeles | yes | 14:30 |
LjL | they say they don't want to send the message that mitigation is now the *only* option, because containment has sometimes been shown to work AND because thinking in terms of containment seems to actually help slowing it down (so, in practice, it's mitigation, but if you call it containment it works better) | 14:31 |
LjL | it does appear that the WHO's job is mainly playing with semantics ;( | 14:31 |
mefistofeles | LjL: yes, I did notice that as well | 14:32 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Merkel says most Germans will get virus, Italy hikes outbreak spending → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 14:32 |
LjL | meanwhile, a beautiful warm sunny day with not a cloud in sight *sigh* | 14:32 |
mefistofeles | that may be good | 14:32 |
mefistofeles | it's also warm around here, no sun, though | 14:33 |
fedorafan | does hv help? | 14:33 |
sneep | Next time they should just immediately suspend all international travel for two weeks or so :p | 14:33 |
mefistofeles | hv? | 14:33 |
fedorafan | ahh uv sorry | 14:33 |
mefistofeles | no, but higher temperatures do | 14:33 |
fedorafan | ok | 14:33 |
LjL | mefistofeles, eh, i doubt it | 14:34 |
LjL | it's more of a glimmer of hope than knowledge | 14:34 |
LjL | fedorafan, but anyway i was saying just in terms of... a day like this, and i have to stay home | 14:34 |
mefistofeles | influenza and SARS are known to destabilize at higheer temperatures | 14:34 |
sneep | uv helps too | 14:34 |
LjL | mefistofeles, but MERS works better at higher temperatures | 14:34 |
mefistofeles | yeah, but this looks much more like SARS than MERS | 14:34 |
mefistofeles | genetically and structurally | 14:35 |
LjL | okay, but we just don't know | 14:35 |
fedorafan | sure, I associated it to the sun and I heard of uv and temps could help, could have been, that someone knew it better here | 14:35 |
mefistofeles | LjL: there are good reaons to believe it can, but sure, that doesn't mean we don't have to worry then | 14:35 |
mefistofeles | I mean, the usual | 14:35 |
mefistofeles | common sense | 14:35 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +168 cases (now 121627), +1 deaths (now 4375) 🔶 Sweden: +67 cases (now 476) 🔶 Netherlands: +121 cases (now 503), +1 deaths (now 5) 🔸 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Albania: +2 cases (now 12), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Australia: +11 cases (now 127), +2 recoveries (now 24) 🔸 Austria: +24 cases (now 206) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +3 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Belgium: +47 cases (now 314), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Burkina | 14:35 |
LjL | mefistofeles, also it seems to propagate okay in Singapore and Australia, although you could argue containment in Singapore worked *because* it's hot, but, well, i think it worked because they are Singapore | 14:35 |
sneep | uv "helps" against all organic compounds | 14:35 |
fedorafan | oh sweden is high | 14:35 |
LjL | sneep, in terms of disinfecting yeah, i guess, at least depending on the strength and wavelength | 14:36 |
mefistofeles | sneep: the thing is that uv intensity is pretty low, temperature helps a bit more, in that regard | 14:36 |
LjL | sneep, i briefly considering buying a UV disinfecting lamp to just use on everything we get through the front door, but then i saw how freaking dangerous it is to be exposed even briefly | 14:36 |
fedorafan | true the uv lamp idea sounds good | 14:36 |
sneep | i was thinking of buying a uvc led and putting it in a case | 14:37 |
LjL | %tr Complessivamente, sentita la Commissione europea, la richiesta di autorizzazione all’ulteriore ricorso all’indebitamento, aggiuntiva rispetto a quanto già indicato nella Relazione al Parlamento 2020, è incrementata di 13,75 miliardi di euro (pari a circa 0,8 punti percentuali), da utilizzare nel corso del 2020. Considerata anche la precedente richiesta di autorizzazione, l’obiettivo programmatico di indebitamento netto potrà pertanto a | 14:37 |
LjL | umentare fino a 20 miliardi di euro, corrispondenti a circa 1,1 punti percentuali di prodotto interno lordo (PIL). | 14:37 |
sneep | but they're all smd apparently | 14:37 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Overall, after consulting the European Commission, the request for authorization for further recourse to debt, additional to that already indicated in the Report to Parliament 2020, increased by 13.75 billion euro (equal to approximately 0.8 percentage points) , to be used during 2020. Considering also the previous authorization request, the net debt [... want %more?] | 14:37 |
mefistofeles | even for the protease, shouldn't be as efficient at higher temperatures | 14:37 |
sneep | and cost >2500 yen per piece | 14:37 |
LjL | ... will increase up to 20 billion euros, corresponding to 1.1% of PIL | 14:37 |
fedorafan | ahh you are italian | 14:37 |
fedorafan | %tr dzien dobry | 14:38 |
Brainstorm | fedorafan, English to English: dzien dobry (Google) | 14:38 |
fedorafan | lol | 14:38 |
LjL | that is not italian | 14:38 |
fedorafan | ok | 14:38 |
LjL | %tr <pl dzień dobry | 14:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Polish to English: good morning (MateCat) — Welcome, (MateCat) — Good afternoon, (MateCat) — Good morning (Google) | 14:39 |
LjL | also, i wrote PIL, i meant GDP | 14:39 |
sneep | why are you going to california? | 14:41 |
sneep | if it's just for travel... maybe reconsider | 14:41 |
oxalis | It's not my choice. | 14:41 |
LjL | all the information panels on our motorways are now displaying "CORONAVIRUS EMERGENCY AVOID TRAVEL" | 14:41 |
oxalis | I'm being made to go. | 14:41 |
oxalis | LjL: that's in Italy? | 14:42 |
LjL | yeah | 14:42 |
oxalis | That's because Italy and the EU care more about people than profits. | 14:42 |
LjL | yeah... no | 14:42 |
oxalis | All the companies in the US are getting in on the grift. | 14:42 |
oxalis | Home Depot in now selling their own brand of Toilet Paper. | 14:43 |
LjL | rest assured the EU cares a lot about profit, and right now Lombardy's government is in an argument with Italy's central government because Lombardy wants to close down all non-essential work activities and public transport, but the central government doesn't because of the economy | 14:43 |
oxalis | Home Depot is a hardware store that sells screws, hammers, and building supplies. | 14:43 |
LjL | but, well, i heard Trump/Pence's press conference and it was all "companies companies companies industry industry industry subsidies subsidies also don't worry we are quarantining the cruise ship people, but, oh, hey, first and foremost we care about the american public" | 14:44 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Merkel says most Germans will get virus, Iran's death toll climbs → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 14:46 |
LjL | now stop saying that Merkel, you got me anxious enough the first time around | 14:48 |
sneep | LjL: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESwKNYxWkAQnKoY?format=jpg | 14:49 |
LjL | ;( | 14:49 |
mefistofeles | lol | 14:50 |
LjL | there is a special parliamente session broadcast on tv about the prison riots, i assume it's mainly to show it to the inmates | 14:51 |
LjL | pretty much empty parliament | 14:52 |
LjL | also, even when there are "full" parliament sessions, apparently they have agreed to only have half the MPs present | 14:52 |
LjL | (partly because the law wouldn't allow them to sit close than 1m from each other anymore, so they cannot fill all the chairs) | 14:52 |
sneep | oxalis: business trip? if yes, that's crazy | 14:52 |
oxalis | sneep: worse | 14:52 |
LjL | a new prison revolt in Florence now | 14:54 |
sneep | i don't get those prison riots | 14:55 |
sneep | shouldn't they be happy that they're being isolated from the virus? | 14:55 |
darsie | Perhaps ppl are closer than 2 m next to each other. | 14:55 |
darsie | in the prison | 14:55 |
darsie | But what if the virus gets in the prison? | 14:56 |
darsie | Certainly people are going in and out. | 14:56 |
darsie | Staff, visitors, prisoners. | 14:57 |
oxalis | the headlines on r/coronavirus read exactly like headlines from Plague Inc | 14:57 |
LjL | darsie, well that's why visits are being stopped | 14:57 |
LjL | if it gets into a prison it will spread a LOT | 14:57 |
LjL | already happened in China | 14:57 |
sneep | iran released thousands of prisoners i think | 14:58 |
darsie | Does cooking inactivate cv? | 14:59 |
oxalis | Why did the cases in the US double 9-Mar? was it just numbers from the cruise ship? | 14:59 |
LjL | there is a cluster in New York | 14:59 |
LjL | state, not city | 15:00 |
oxalis | Oh - they only went on the rolls yesterday? | 15:00 |
darsie | oxalis: What does that mean? | 15:00 |
oxalis | I though they were already on the count | 15:00 |
darsie | ahh, rolls of paper where the infected are counted. | 15:01 |
sneep | 22:59 < darsie> Does cooking inactivate cv? <-- of course | 15:02 |
ubLIX | LjL: https://twitter.com/vkjudit/status/1237448125800988675 | 15:02 |
mefistofeles | %title | 15:02 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From twitter.com: VKJudit su Twitter: "In a call between the two foreign ministers, China agreed to supply Italy with 1,000 ventillators and 2 million masks. Additionally, they are donating (!) them 100k respirators, [...] | 15:02 |
LjL | ubLIX, yeah. what do you think will be our next best buddy, China or the EU? | 15:04 |
LjL | slash_ also, same consideration | 15:04 |
sneep | so it will be canceled in all likelihood? | 15:05 |
darsie | sneep: thx. There are thermophiles and heat resistant spores, so obviously some proteins/DNA can survive cooking. What temperature is needed to inavcitate cv? | 15:06 |
ubLIX | LjL: i imagine as China gets its production back into full swing, they'll be doing a lot more of this for many countries | 15:07 |
sneep | i bet most countries don't have much production of their own | 15:07 |
sneep | darsie: dunno, but i'd guess it's not a particularly high temperature | 15:08 |
LjL | well, i hope they quickly deliver what they've promised because i really don't want to keep reading things from Italian doctors that say patients over 65 are just allowed to die | 15:09 |
ubLIX | amen | 15:09 |
LjL | i am tempted to sneak out for a walk | 15:10 |
LjL | such sun | 15:10 |
darsie | LjL: Where are you? | 15:11 |
LjL | Milan | 15:11 |
mefistofeles | LjL: are you really? ¬¬ | 15:11 |
darsie | ic | 15:11 |
LjL | mefistofeles, my mental health is not going to benefit from staying home for... months? | 15:11 |
mefistofeles | LjL: as long as you are not in contact with elderly people | 15:12 |
mefistofeles | I guess | 15:12 |
LjL | i am. but if i am to believe what has always been stated by authorities, i shouldn't have much to fear from being in the open air at a distance from other people | 15:12 |
pwr22 | Yeah, should be ok | 15:13 |
LjL | if i am not, then i also don't see why i should follow their directions anyway! | 15:13 |
LjL | apart from being fined | 15:13 |
darsie | Is it illegal for you to go out? | 15:13 |
ubLIX | just don't get on any public transport, LjL | 15:13 |
pwr22 | I would assume going on a private walk for mental health reasons would be a valid reason | 15:13 |
LjL | darsie, technically, yes, although there is a bit of confusion over whether we're allowed to do "outdoors activities" (in the sense of exercise, like jogging) if we are alone | 15:14 |
LjL | ubLIX, i wouldn't dream of doing that | 15:14 |
LjL | group activities are banned, so i can't even go with someone else, but it should be okay for me to go alone, although it may be hard to explain to a cop that i'm just walking aimlessly | 15:14 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Merkel says most Germans will get virus, Iran's death toll climbs → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 15:16 |
mefistofeles | LjL: look what Merkel says | 15:16 |
mefistofeles | ;) | 15:16 |
pwr22 | Hmm, I got called a soydev in one of the other corona virus related rooms. Any clue what that means? | 15:16 |
LjL | oh god Brainstorm | 15:16 |
mefistofeles | haha | 15:16 |
LjL | meanwhile it's not posting anything from Reddit and i still don't know why | 15:17 |
LjL | well, it's posting things from the live thread, but that's about it | 15:17 |
mefistofeles | pwr22: no idea | 15:17 |
sneep | darsie: These guys tested UV and temperature resistance of the original SARS virus, I'd guess the new one is similar: https://eprints.lib.hokudai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2115/10516/1/52(3)_105-112.pdf | 15:17 |
ubLIX | pwr22: urban dictionary thinks it means 'liberal', as in right wing people calling you a libtard | 15:18 |
pwr22 | ubLIX: next question, what's a libtard? | 15:18 |
ubLIX | lol | 15:19 |
sneep | (56°C water bath, rapid inactivation after 5 minutes, low infectivity after 30 minutes, no infectivity after 60 minutes) | 15:19 |
ubLIX | portmanteau of liberal and... sigh... retard | 15:19 |
pwr22 | I think this was in response to a link to github.... | 15:19 |
ubLIX | a common insult in america (among rednecks anyway) | 15:19 |
pwr22 | Ah | 15:19 |
pwr22 | Some people seem to be full of such.... hatred of the rest of the human race | 15:19 |
ubLIX | urban dictionary: soydev - A developer who is a liberal. They are most common in silicon valley | 15:20 |
pwr22 | I don't really have much desire to understand them too much or learn too much of their vocab 😆 | 15:20 |
ubLIX | probably a portmanteau of soya beans and developer | 15:20 |
ubLIX | liberals eat soya beans i guess :D | 15:20 |
sneep | pwr22: see nobody on irc would use silly insults like that | 15:21 |
ubLIX | clearly you're in better company here, pwr22 | 15:21 |
pwr22 | <sneep "darsie: These guys tested UV and"> It might not be - this one differs in other ways too | 15:21 |
pwr22 | <sneep "(56°C water bath, rapid inactiva"> Sous Vide to the rescue | 15:21 |
pwr22 | sneep, ubLIX: yes I really like this room / channel 🙂 | 15:22 |
darsie | define Sous Vide | 15:22 |
sneep | it's a cooking technique | 15:23 |
sneep | low-temperature slow cooking | 15:23 |
darsie | ic | 15:23 |
LjL | i changed reddit feeds again in an effort to get Brainstorm to post anything from them, if it starts posting *too much* from them (as in useless nonsense), let me know if i fail to notice | 15:23 |
astraliam[m] | Sounds like Italy is running out of ventilators | 15:23 |
astraliam[m] | https://www.instructables.com/id/The-Pandemic-Ventilator/ | 15:24 |
LjL | lol, Spec, you've found something to do i reckon | 15:26 |
sneep | that doesn't look very easy | 15:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Merkel says most Germans will get infected, NYU doc says hospitals unprepared → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 15:27 |
iz | ubLIX: hehe, i read your explaination of libtard in a Kif from Futurama voice | 15:27 |
darsie | Available in Austria: denatured ethanol 5 EUR/l, isopropanol 12 EUR/l. | 15:27 |
ubLIX | iz: lol | 15:28 |
sneep | is that expensive? | 15:28 |
darsie | non denatured 96% ethanol was 25 EUR/l recently, IIRC. | 15:28 |
darsie | 1 l milk is ~ 1 EUR | 15:29 |
darsie | low monthly salary is 1200 EUR for 38-40 h/week | 15:30 |
darsie | gasoline is 1.3 EUR/l. Much higher energy content than ethanol or IPA. | 15:31 |
contingo | LjL et al, this is the kind of nonsense doing the rounds on my mother's family's whatsapp groups: https://dpaste.org/x5xL | 15:34 |
LjL | contingo, i gauge at moderate-to-high level of nonsense | 15:36 |
contingo | that US House hearing just got very juicy | 15:41 |
oxalis | contingo: which? | 15:45 |
darsie | I have 35% H2O2. Should I bother getting alcohol or is 0.5% H2O2 just as good? | 15:49 |
LjL | darsie, there is a paper in the topic that studies various coronaviruses' viability on surfaces, and also effectiveness of cleaners, iirc | 15:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: (news): People are stealing hand sanitizer and surgical masks from doctors' offices because of coronavirus fears → https://is.gd/NVOAEE | 15:51 |
pwr22 | %cases south korea | 15:52 |
Brainstorm | pwr22: Sorry, south korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 15:52 |
LjL | %cases republic of korea | 15:53 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Republic of Korea, there are 7755 cases, 54 deaths (0.7% of cases), 247 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:18:14 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Republic%20of%20Korea for time series data. | 15:53 |
LjL | (typing just "korea" should work too) | 15:53 |
pwr22 | It's been renamed? | 15:53 |
LjL | JHU renamed things with stupid names | 15:53 |
LjL | worse: | 15:53 |
LjL | %cases taiwan | 15:53 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Taiwan, Taipei and environs, there are 47 cases, 1 deaths (2.1% of cases), 17 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 06:35:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. | 15:53 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:53 |
LjL | ah, it was only "Taipei and environs" yesterday | 15:53 |
pwr22 | I'm trying to improve the search in my bot and this threw me for a loop since that was my test case | 15:54 |
LjL | Iran has also become "Iran (Islamic Republic of)" as if there is another Iran | 15:54 |
darsie | The arstechnica guide says "the viruses are efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62–71 percent ethanol, 0.5 percent hydrogen peroxide, or 0.1 percent sodium hypochlorite (bleach) within 1 minute.” but I'm not sure of the downsides of H2O2. Might be more unstable. Not sure if stability rises or drops at 0.5%. Should be less volatile. Bad for eyes. | 15:54 |
LjL | bad for hands too, don't use it as hand sanitizer | 15:54 |
darsie | ok | 15:54 |
oxalis | What about Sodium Hydroxide? | 15:55 |
darsie | That dissolves hands. | 15:55 |
darsie | I used H2O2 on wounds. | 15:55 |
LjL | it's okay on wounds, however it does make your cells explode a little, ending up with white fingers | 15:56 |
LjL | it's not exactly something life threatening, but when you have a wound, you actually *want* to kill the cells around the wound | 15:56 |
darsie | Not at 0.5%, IMHO. | 15:56 |
LjL | when you're simply cleaning your hands, not so much | 15:56 |
LjL | well maybe not, i used 3% | 15:56 |
pwr22 | LjL: the code for Cov Bot is at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot if you want to take a look | 15:56 |
LjL | pwr22, thanks | 15:57 |
LjL | likewise | 15:57 |
LjL | %source covid | 15:57 |
Brainstorm | LjL, source code for module 'covid' can be found at https://paste.ee/p/eXitt | 15:57 |
LjL | if you want to cringe | 15:57 |
LjL | but i probably linked before | 15:57 |
pwr22 | I did take a look, I've seen far worse btw | 15:58 |
pwr22 | I'm trying to make the search better and learn some new things in the process | 15:58 |
pwr22 | My bot is being used in some of my less favourite covid rooms 😶 | 15:58 |
pwr22 | The matrix guys seemed to like it though which is neat | 15:58 |
pwr22 | It's totally inspired by brainstorm btw, I wouldn't have though of making it otherwise | 15:59 |
sneep | oxalis: sodium hydroxide is extremely caustic, do not touch | 16:01 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CEO calls it a 'painful setback,' Merkel says most Germans will get infected → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 16:05 |
LjL | hold on a second what did Merkel say? | 16:09 |
pwr22 | <sneep "oxalis: sodium hydroxide is extr"> Oven cleaner right? | 16:11 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +130 cases (now 121837), +3 recoveries (now 66582) 🔶 UK: +73 cases (now 456) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80969), +3 recoveries (now 61656) 🔸 Gansu, China: +2 cases (now 127) 🔸 Sichuan, China: +3 recoveries (now 488) 🔸 Germany: +27 cases (now 1656) 🔸 Norway: +3 cases (now 443) 🔸 Romania: +1 cases (now 36) 🔸 Spain: +8 cases (now 2182) 🔸 US | 16:11 |
Birosso | %cases Germany | 16:19 |
Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 1656 cases, 3 deaths (0.2% of cases), 25 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 16:03:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 16:19 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 15:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, il primario di Niguarda: "Basta fake news, non è vero che lasciamo morire i pazienti" → https://is.gd/PLJjuL | 16:19 |
Birosso | Merkel said... unsettling stuff. | 16:19 |
mefistofeles | well, I guess that applies to most/all regions | 16:20 |
mefistofeles | it s just the time variable what's important | 16:20 |
mefistofeles | but yes, this is now pretty much expected to infect most of the population eventually, I'd think | 16:20 |
mefistofeles | or rather, that's not a crazy guess | 16:21 |
pwr22 | %cases wash | 16:22 |
Brainstorm | pwr22: In Washington, US, there are 273 cases, 23 deaths (8.4% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Washington for time series data. | 16:22 |
pwr22 | !cases wash | 16:22 |
pwr22 | !cases Washington, D.C. | 16:22 |
LjL | I'm walking in Milan now, near my place, there are people and some cars, less than usual but not completely empty | 16:26 |
LjL | Birosso: Better unsettling and true than reassuring and a lie, as it has been the case often during this | 16:26 |
LjL | IMO | 16:27 |
Birosso | LjL, I don't disagree. | 16:27 |
sneep | My Matrix client says: "The last sync failed with error: internal server error" {"errcode":"M_UNKNOWN","error":"Internal server error"} | 16:29 |
sneep | mkay | 16:30 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 15:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Biggest daily rise as UK cases reach 456 → https://is.gd/zuBQHY | 16:32 |
LjL | So in the pharmacy, I had to take my number, wait outside, then inside there were yellow strips on the ground stating where you had to stand (at a distance), and the personnel was wearing not masks but welding hoods sort of things (?) and finally next to the exit there was some hand gel | 16:42 |
LjL | It's ridiculously warm outside and I was sweating waiting for my turn, it's like the weather is laughing at us | 16:43 |
LjL | More than 19C I think | 16:43 |
sneep | that sounds good | 16:45 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:38 UTC: Coronavirus fallout: At least 150 companies have warned of earnings hit: Companies continue to warn of the threat that COVID-19 poses, with several anticipating they'll miss guidance in the March quarter. → https://is.gd/IsY0fQ | 16:46 |
LjL | Mass of the usual idiot kids playing ball in the square in front of the station | 16:46 |
LjL | Tempted to call police on them | 16:47 |
LjL | They have been known to destroy things and throw beer bottles into our building's ground level terrace before | 16:47 |
LjL-Matrix | Does this look like a "quarantined bus" to you? | 16:49 |
LjL-Matrix | They need to shut down everything ffs | 16:50 |
LjL-Matrix | And this is what the outside of a big supermarket looks like | 16:54 |
LjL-Matrix | They must let a limited number of people inside... So this is the outside | 16:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CEO calls it a 'painful setback,' Merkel says most Germans will get infected → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 17:00 |
python476 | bought 70% alcohol and h2o2 | 17:01 |
python476 | I haz readiness | 17:01 |
slash_ | US really needs to start tested en masse | 17:21 |
slash_ | they probably have more cases nationwide than Italy atm | 17:21 |
slash_ | more than China next week | 17:22 |
slash_ | I mean they "suddenly" found 100 cases in 1 county in NY state lol | 17:23 |
sneep | Hmm? You mean they should just test everyone? | 17:24 |
slash_ | everyone isn't possible (at least not short term), but at least everyone in hospitals/doctors with symptoms as much as they can | 17:25 |
sneep | Ah. I thought they were doing that more or less | 17:26 |
slash_ | well not so far, but the US is mass producing testing kits now | 17:26 |
slash_ | so hopefully soon | 17:26 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Biggest daily rise as UK cases reach 460 → https://is.gd/zuBQHY | 17:28 |
slash_ | but it's not like most European nations are doing any better lol, so who am I to criticize | 17:28 |
slash_ | they stopped testing direct family members of cases here due to test shortage and they tell them "just self isolate" | 17:29 |
LjL | %cases Italy | 17:30 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +277 cases (now 122114), +3 deaths (now 4379), +45 recoveries (now 66627) 🔶 Qatar: +238 cases (now 262) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 99) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80969), +3 recoveries (now 61656) 🔸 Gansu, China: +2 cases (now 127) 🔸 Sichuan, China: +3 recoveries (now 488) 🔸 Cyprus: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Germany: +27 | 17:30 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 10149 cases, 631 deaths (6.2% of cases), 1004 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 17:17:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 17:30 |
slash_ | muhammadanasnaee I do not understand that info? this virus infects the lungs at first, coughing comes only after the virus spreads to the upper respiratory tract | 17:30 |
sneep | I'm thinking of renting an apartment that would allow me to self-isolate if needed | 17:31 |
spybert | slash_: I thought the problem now in the US was not the availability of test kits but rather the limited ability of the laboratories to analyze the samples | 17:31 |
sneep | You still need a lab to analyze the samples? | 17:32 |
sneep | Damn, that's not quite as advanced as I'd hoped | 17:32 |
slash_ | no I think it was because at first it needed to be verified by the CDC | 17:32 |
slash_ | which severely limited capacity | 17:32 |
spybert | sneep: Other places have more advanced, stand-alone tests | 17:32 |
slash_ | this has been lifted as the tests are now more reliable | 17:33 |
slash_ | yeah, hopefully those breathing tests will become available worldwide | 17:33 |
slash_ | they give much quicker results apparently | 17:34 |
spybert | sure, but they weren't invented here, and their manufacturers didn't pay to get them approved in the US | 17:35 |
slash_ | spybert yes, but I think the US can use emergency laws to allow this if they want | 17:36 |
slash_ | ITS OFFICIAL BOYS | 17:37 |
slash_ | WHO has declared a pandemic | 17:37 |
slash_ | lemme find a source in English | 17:38 |
slash_ | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944 | 17:38 |
LjL-Matrix | Small supermarket. Imagine the big ones | 17:39 |
pwr22 | <slash_ "WHO has declared a pandemic"> 😭 | 17:39 |
pwr22 | !cases new york | 17:39 |
slash_ | it basically means that the WHO does not think we can contain the virus anymore and that we must move to mitigation | 17:40 |
pwr22 | !cases uk | 17:40 |
pwr22 | !cases us | 17:40 |
slash_ | Qatar also jumped very hard today | 17:40 |
slash_ | !cases qatar | 17:40 |
slash_ | yesterday was 24 | 17:41 |
pwr22 | Wow | 17:41 |
pwr22 | !cases world | 17:41 |
slash_ | probably started tested only recently | 17:41 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: First death from virus in Ireland, US hospital considers temporary facilities → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 17:41 |
LjL | Pandemic? Did anyone watch the WHO press conference? | 17:44 |
slash_ | I got like 5 push notifications from all my news apps lol | 17:44 |
slash_ | just go to any news site it's probably on there | 17:44 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +204 cases (now 122318), +2 deaths (now 4381) 🔶 Germany: +224 cases (now 1853) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bulgaria: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 99) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80969), +3 recoveries (now 61656) 🔸 Gansu, China: +2 cases (now 127) 🔸 Sichuan, China: +3 recoveries (now 488) 🔸 Cyprus: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Georg | 17:45 |
slash_ | but it is from the news conference yes LjL | 17:45 |
LjL | slash_: I don't not-believe you, I'm just on the go and was wondering what the WHO's final deciding argument was | 17:46 |
pwr22 | I get BBC pushes on virus stuff | 17:47 |
pwr22 | But I still found out here first | 17:47 |
slash_ | LjL previously they refused to label it a pandemic because they believed the virus could still be fully contained and snuffed out | 17:48 |
slash_ | LjL so what changed is that they no longer think that is possible | 17:49 |
LjL | Well this is from Korea https://img7.yna.co.kr/photo/yna/YH/2020/03/03/PYH2020030303210001300_P4.jpg I guess it kinda dwarfs the pictures I posted of Milan... | 17:49 |
slash_ | LjL so nothing really changed really, except WHO now accepts reality | 17:49 |
pwr22 | I see it more as an official recognition of the severity | 17:49 |
slash_ | yeah exactly | 17:49 |
oxalis | So, do we officially have a pandemic? | 17:50 |
slash_ | maybe to motivate more nations to act more... many are severely lacking in measures | 17:50 |
slash_ | oxalis it is official! I did not bring champagne though, sorry | 17:50 |
oxalis | 13%ABV isn't enough to kill the virus, but It's enough to kill the pain | 17:51 |
slash_ | let's hope the announcement kicks our governments in the arse to act | 17:51 |
sneep | LjL: Is that a line to get masks? | 17:51 |
pwr22 | I was thinking about making a still out of my sous vide setup and vodka to produce stronger ethanol | 17:52 |
oxalis | Masks are soo last week. People are cutting up bras now | 17:52 |
oxalis | Can't you get Everclear? | 17:53 |
oxalis | PPL are making a run on Vinegar for some reason | 17:53 |
oxalis | does Acetic Acid do something I'm not aware of to the virus? | 17:54 |
sneep | I didn't learn enough Korean to read the sign, but the second word is "mask" and picture is a pack of masks | 17:54 |
sneep | +the | 17:54 |
slash_ | oxalis well vinegar has some antiviral properties, it's good for cleaning the house | 17:55 |
slash_ | not good enough as a hand sanitizer though | 17:56 |
slash_ | vinegar does supposedly kills influenza virus on surfaces, but I don't think anything is known if it affects coronaviruses | 17:57 |
slash_ | oxalis not sure about that one lol, but lots of things kill viruses | 17:58 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +60 cases (now 122378), +3 deaths (now 4384), +21 recoveries (now 66648) 🔶 Japan: +52 cases (now 639), +3 deaths (now 15), +16 recoveries (now 118) 🔸 Bahrain: +5 recoveries (now 35) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bulgaria: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 99) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80969), +3 recoveries (now 61656) 🔸 Gansu, China | 17:58 |
sneep | Vinegar's not so great as a hand sanitizer | 17:58 |
slash_ | I mean viruses only really become a problem once they are inside us, can't drink bleach, but it does kill viruses | 17:59 |
slash_ | sneep yeah, but it's good for cleaning in the house | 17:59 |
oxalis | Oxalic acid is: HOOCCOOH | 17:59 |
oxalis | I think I'll stick with HOOCH | 18:00 |
slash_ | is that the chemical formula? or the sound you make when you ingest it? | 18:00 |
oxalis | lol | 18:01 |
LjL | sneep, no it's lines to supermarkets | 18:03 |
LjL | this terrible mask i wore outside gave me a headache somehow :( | 18:03 |
LjL | Japan isn't looking great anymore | 18:05 |
LjL | %cases Japan | 18:05 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Japan, there are 639 cases, 15 deaths (2.3% of cases), 118 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 18:04:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 18:05 |
LjL | they were remarkably linear for a while but it looks like it's gone exponential now | 18:05 |
iz | maybe just related to lags in testing? | 18:06 |
python476 | e3 cancelled | 18:06 |
iz | japan says olympics are still on though | 18:07 |
LjL | i don't know, i have no real information on the state of things in japan outside of the numbers | 18:07 |
iz | yeah same | 18:07 |
iz | sometimes i watch japanese news on tv, but that's about it | 18:07 |
python476 | iz: maybe public-less olympics | 18:07 |
python476 | and no contact sports | 18:08 |
python476 | e-sports fan are like :drool: | 18:08 |
iz | judges in plexiglass containers | 18:08 |
python476 | iz: and silos corridors on track events | 18:08 |
iz | hehe | 18:08 |
muhammadanasnaee | > muhammadanasnaeem I do not understand that info? this virus infects the lungs at first, coughing comes only after the virus spreads to the upper respiratory tract | 18:09 |
muhammadanasnaee | If it benefits you try to follow. I do this too. | 18:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:06 UTC: (news): Three TSA airport screeners in California test positive for new coronavirus → https://is.gd/Trj1jJ | 18:09 |
LjL | Italy daily press conference is on (already... but i started watching now) | 18:10 |
LjL | 10590 currently positive | 18:10 |
LjL | >78% of deaths are in people with comorbidities | 18:10 |
LjL | 1028 in ICU | 18:11 |
LjL | 5838 hospitalized with symptoms | 18:11 |
python476 | hows the growth rate in there ? | 18:11 |
LjL | the increment in cases for today also includes the ones that failed to be counted yesterday | 18:11 |
LjL | python476, terribly exponential | 18:11 |
python476 | what about food supply and other daily requirements ? | 18:11 |
oxalis | I think it's still geometric here | 18:11 |
python476 | people managed to have enough ? | 18:11 |
LjL | python476, there are long queues in front of supermarkets, since they are only allowing people in in small groups | 18:12 |
LjL | i saw a couple | 18:12 |
LjL | wouldn't recommend | 18:12 |
LjL | for now we're getting groceries delivered, but that's quickly becoming impossible | 18:12 |
LjL | they are giving numbers for the new tents and PPEs and stuff distributed | 18:12 |
LjL | >1m masks distributed | 18:12 |
LjL | 116 ventilators and respirators will be distributed in the coming days | 18:12 |
python476 | i wonder if transport companies have new hygiene procedures | 18:13 |
LjL | the scientific committee gave an opinion about using surgical masks on the workplace | 18:13 |
LjL | they recommend to keep 1m distances in a rigorous way as the main containment method. if that is not possible then wearing a mask is recommended | 18:13 |
LjL | python476, they do according to law | 18:13 |
LjL | python476, which actually resulted in half the commuter trains being cancelled, because they couldn't disinfect them all | 18:14 |
LjL | leading to even *more* people crammed in the train | 18:14 |
LjL | good job there | 18:14 |
python476 | fun | 18:14 |
DetectiveTaco | let's be real here can this thing stop jacking the fucking stock market | 18:14 |
LjL | let's be real the economy is crashing and won't stop crashing for a good while, meaning some years | 18:14 |
LjL | questions now | 18:15 |
DetectiveTaco | %data US | 18:15 |
Brainstorm | DetectiveTaco: In all areas, US, there are 1050 cases, 31 deaths (3.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 18:04:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:15 |
DetectiveTaco | %data MD | 18:15 |
Brainstorm | DetectiveTaco: In MD, US, there are 8 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 10:13:10 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:15 |
CatButtes[m] | I'm expecting a bunch of lockdown announcements on Friday afternoon around market close time. Next Friday will be a bit late and governments like bad news to happen before the weekend to prevent panic trades | 18:16 |
LjL | question: i have two questions, first, i think i understood there's a difference between deaths from coronavirus and people affected but died from other pathologies. i understand the ISS certifies deaths. what's the actual current number? second, from china, could the virus have gotten mutations that made it more aggressive here? | 18:16 |
LjL | answer: about the first question, the ISS is working on confirming causes of death, clearly it may occur that someone dies suddenly and afterwards a test is made and the person turns out to be affected, and this could reduce the number of people dead from the coronavirus (?) | 18:16 |
LjL | but we have no clear data on this, we must do further analysis | 18:17 |
LjL | what we can say is that the death rate in italy does seem to be higher than in china, and this created many rumors, also from abroad | 18:17 |
iz | DetectiveTaco: there's oil messing w/ the stock market now also | 18:17 |
LjL | first, if we stratify by age, we find out that it's not higher than the Chinese rate, but actually lower, because the italian population is much older | 18:17 |
mefistofeles | %data South Korea | 18:17 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Sorry, South Korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:17 |
mefistofeles | %data Republic of Korea | 18:17 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Republic of Korea, there are 7755 cases, 54 deaths (0.7% of cases), 247 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:18:14 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Republic%20of%20Korea for time series data. | 18:17 |
DetectiveTaco | everything is messing with the stock market | 18:18 |
LjL | second, there is no way to standardize the death rate internationally, because it all depends on how many tests are performed. if you do many tests, you find many cases, and the death rate is lower; if you test only symptomatic people, the death rate gets higher, because we're only testing people who are actually sick | 18:18 |
LjL | the question about the virus mutations: so far we have sequenced the virus in the original Chinese patient in Rome, another patient's full genome, and a Lombard patient's full genome as well, now we're doing it with a patient from Veneto | 18:19 |
LjL | if we look at the virus's genome, there are only small mutations | 18:19 |
LjL | it's undoubtedly the Chinese virus, obviously, to counter some rumours that this was a "local" virus | 18:19 |
LjL | question: in light of the WHO's latest evaluation, has the committee evaluated the measures asked by Fontana, i.e. closing down all services in Lombardy except for essential services? | 18:20 |
LjL | other question, there's talks of using the army to enforce the movement restrictions. is this going to happen? | 18:20 |
LjL | answer: okay, about closing everything, it will be evaluated but at the moment there are no decisions or news | 18:21 |
LjL | about the army, i think there must be a widespread voluntary respect of the restrictions | 18:21 |
LjL | there are fines, there is control by the police force, so there definitely are checks, and arrest in case of violations, but i want to point out that everybody must just act responsibly | 18:21 |
LjL | question: after our [Chinese] foreign ministry talked to yours, i want to ask about ventilators and respirators that were offered by China, as well as the team of Chinese doctors that is being sent to a mission to Italy. (missed the actual question)? | 18:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO declares global pandemic, lawmakers push Big Pharma on supply chains → https://is.gd/i7KBtX | 18:23 |
LjL | answer: we are working, we thank China for giving us this generous chance, taking part in our experience, then about the relationship between chinese and italian doctors, i'm letting the doctor here speak | 18:23 |
LjL | China has taught us a lot in terms of control of this infection: what happened in Wuhan was really a success of containment measures, even though in Europe we're obviously applying these measures in a different way | 18:23 |
LjL | but the Chinese experience has shown that restrictive measures can contain or slow down even big clusters | 18:24 |
LjL | about the scientific community, we have a lot to learn from the clinical trials conducted in China | 18:24 |
LjL | since China has had a high number of patients, they could test various drugs, and we are waiting for data on efficacy of the various treatments, both antivirals and ICU treatments | 18:24 |
LjL | i believe this knowledge exchange will be very important | 18:24 |
LjL | question: first, the situation of ICUs in Lombardy: today you had to transfer 5 patients away to other regions, and same yesterday. couldn't more patients be transfered, given the Lombard system is collapsing? can't we bring the system back to a more acceptable situation? | 18:25 |
LjL | second, a clarification on the emergency law: if one goes outside for reasons of health, work or grocery shopping, they must carry a self-certification. but what about going on foot? what about things like a walk in the park? | 18:26 |
darsie | No self certification required, then ;). | 18:27 |
oxalis | what about BIRD scooters? | 18:27 |
LjL | answers: about cross-region ICU transfers, we only mobilize patients when there is a very real necessity, in part to avoid taking patients very far away from their residence, and you must consider that we're also transfering patients who have other pathologies, not just COVID | 18:27 |
LjL | about movement, if you go outside and the police forces stop you and ask for a justification for being outside, even if you hadn't filled in a self-certification module, you can just render it verbally | 18:27 |
python476 | still no new source of data for china ? | 18:28 |
LjL | but my own advice is to stay home as much as possible | 18:28 |
LjL | our site's FAQ helps clarify these aspects | 18:28 |
LjL | and yes, if you're on foot you still should carry a self-certification | 18:28 |
LjL | question: the WHO has now declared a pandemic, and talked of a "alarming" inaction from countries. they probably weren't talking about Italy since they praised us yesterday, but what phase are we in? there was talks of phase 1, phase 2, where are we? | 18:29 |
LjL | answer: declaring a pandemic doesn't add much for ourselves, since we were among the first to get hit, so since a pandemic is about global reach of the outbreak, it changes little for us | 18:29 |
LjL | what the WHO is pointing out is that a few countries have, in effect, done little to slow down circulation of the virus. Italy found it in Lombardy at the same time as flu peak, and we couldn't do much | 18:29 |
LjL | China did a lot to contain the outbreak, Korea is trying with all their powers, so is Japan | 18:30 |
LjL | unfortunately the situation has gotten out of hand in some countries, like Iran | 18:30 |
mefistofeles | %data Iran | 18:30 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Iran (Islamic Republic of), there are 9000 cases, 354 deaths (3.9% of cases), 2959 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 12:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran%20(Islamic%20Republic%20of) for time series data. | 18:30 |
LjL | what i've expressed more than once is that maybe a stronger reaction by the EU would have been welcomed | 18:30 |
LjL | but it does seem (or doesn't?) France and Germany are taking some stronger measures | 18:30 |
LjL | Italy has a patchy situation, with areas that are very much affected, and others where containment is working, as well as initial clusters, small ones in Rome and the south | 18:31 |
LjL | i am not saying the situation there is alarming, but we must contain them preemptively | 18:31 |
LjL | i understand various regions are requesting even stronger measures | 18:31 |
LjL | a pandemic state is declared to encourage other countries to take actions | 18:32 |
LjL | WHO is saying: this is harder to contain than SARS, evne though that's harder to manage clinically | 18:32 |
LjL | but China and other countries have shown it's possible to an extent, unlike the flu | 18:32 |
LjL | so the state of a pandemic is a warning, a warning to other countries to intervene much more strongly, but it's not directed towards us | 18:32 |
LjL | question: about children, there is a study by the ISS published the other day, which says 43 children are affected. can you say anything about that? | 18:33 |
LjL | answer: we can say the number of infected children is small, and they appear to get over the disease fairly well, which is good news. the fact there are children with clinical symptoms, though, and the fact that even though who don't have symptoms can be positive (which is from a foreign study), this all reinforces the decision to close all schools | 18:34 |
python476 | https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fdl2bk/dd_trump_knew_about_coronavirus_buy_fucking_puts/ | 18:34 |
LjL | it was necessary to add new measures to that. we must ensure children who are no longer going to school aren't gathering together in other places | 18:34 |
LjL | we are looking forward to the results of that | 18:34 |
LjL | --- end | 18:35 |
oxalis | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM | 18:35 |
oxalis | There you have it. | 18:35 |
mefistofeles | thanks LjL | 18:35 |
mefistofeles | I was wondering what a self-certificate actually means' | 18:35 |
oxalis | If coronavirus response makes Trump look bad, then hold the meetings in the dark and keep the people in the dark. | 18:36 |
LjL | mefistofeles, it's a form you can download and print, then you fill it in with some simple details (although the space allowed is ridiculously tiny), who you are, where you're coming from, where you're going, and why | 18:36 |
LjL | if you are later found to have lied, that's criminal | 18:36 |
mefistofeles | LjL: ok | 18:36 |
LjL | (although i think it's practically impossible they find out anything) | 18:36 |
mefistofeles | yeah | 18:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:34 UTC: (news): Washington state and San Francisco ban large gatherings to slow the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/prHMPa | 18:37 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +2541 cases (now 124919), +196 deaths (now 4580), +41 recoveries (now 66689) 🔶 Italy: +2313 cases (now 12462), +196 deaths (now 827), +41 recoveries (now 1045) 🔶 Germany: +55 cases (now 1908) 🔶 Denmark: +102 cases (now 442) 🔸 Austria: +40 cases (now 246) 🔸 Bahrain: +5 recoveries (now 35) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bulgaria: +1 | 18:38 |
oxalis | ^ On these reports the +numbers are from when? | 18:39 |
oxalis | since midnight? | 18:39 |
oxalis | since the previous report? | 18:39 |
LjL | oxalis, since the previous report | 18:39 |
LjL | so it definitely varies how frequent they are | 18:39 |
oxalis | how often are the reports? | 18:39 |
LjL | Italy only publishes once a day for instance | 18:39 |
LjL | other countries could be virtually real time | 18:39 |
LjL | the bot polls every ~15 minutes | 18:40 |
LjL | (or rather, tinwhiskers's site does, then the bot gets data from it) | 18:40 |
oxalis | so 196 people have died in 15 minutes? | 18:40 |
mefistofeles | no | 18:40 |
LjL | i would hope not | 18:40 |
slash_ | Netherlands once a day too, seems US states report at various times | 18:40 |
oxalis | what's the +196? | 18:40 |
LjL | oxalis, most of it is from Italy | 18:40 |
slash_ | South Korea also reports several times a day | 18:40 |
mefistofeles | oxalis: from previous day up to 15 minutes ago | 18:40 |
LjL | which publishes once a day | 18:40 |
LjL | %cases Italy | 18:40 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 12462 cases, 827 deaths (6.6% of cases), 1045 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 18:31:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:40 |
LjL | death rate keeps getting higher, wonderful | 18:41 |
mefistofeles | oxalis: in average, that is... | 18:41 |
slash_ | LjL Italy is now in the worst scenario so far.. | 18:42 |
LjL | quite | 18:42 |
LjL | way worse than China if you look at it population-wise | 18:42 |
LjL | %wa population of italy | 18:42 |
LjL | %wa population of prc | 18:42 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Italy | population): Result: 59.4 million people (world rank: 23rd) (2017 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+italy | 18:42 |
mefistofeles | yeah, explained by age, probably | 18:42 |
slash_ | still talk to people who think the response is an overreaction.. sigh | 18:42 |
LjL | %wa 12462 / 59400000 | 18:42 |
mefistofeles | also, not so aggressive policies for containment/quarantine | 18:42 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (12462/59400000): Decimal approximation: 0.000209797979797979797979797979797979797979797979797979797... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=12462+%2F+59400000 | 18:43 |
Brainstorm | LjL, failed to get any hits! | 18:43 |
LjL | %wa population of china | 18:43 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (China | population): Result: 1.41 billion people (world rank: 1st) (2017 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+china | 18:43 |
LjL | %cases china | 18:43 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, China, there are 80969 cases, 3162 deaths (3.9% of cases), 61656 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 03:18:14 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. | 18:43 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 18:43 |
LjL | %wa 80969 / 1410000000 | 18:43 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (80969/1410000000): Decimal approximation: 0.000057424822695035460992907801418439716312056737588652482... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=80969+%2F+1410000000 | 18:43 |
figuinhas | LjL are you sure the death rate is getting higher in Italy? | 18:43 |
figuinhas | wasn't yesterday 6.8% | 18:43 |
figuinhas | And a week ago more than 8% | 18:43 |
figuinhas | ? | 18:43 |
LjL | they have *two* zeroes more than we do in the fraction of affected population... | 18:43 |
LjL | figuinhas, no, it was around 5% | 18:44 |
LjL | definitely never seen it at 8% | 18:44 |
figuinhas | do you have a source of evolution? | 18:44 |
LjL | it's higher in Lombardy than countrywide, but still not 8% | 18:44 |
LjL | %cases lombardy | 18:44 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, lombardy not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:44 |
figuinhas | I believe I calculated it last week | 18:44 |
LjL | figuinhas, what do you mean a source of evolution? | 18:44 |
figuinhas | like some entity published the death rate in multiple days | 18:45 |
figuinhas | or I will have to check in the news | 18:45 |
LjL | well doesn't https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy provide it? | 18:45 |
LjL | but there is also the civil protection's dashboard | 18:45 |
LjL | https://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1 | 18:46 |
figuinhas | thx | 18:47 |
slash_ | shouldnt death rate be calculated like this: deaths / (recovered + deaths)? | 18:47 |
slash_ | otherwise it will fluctuate very wildly | 18:47 |
figuinhas | that is non survivability rate | 18:48 |
figuinhas | death rate is comparing the deaths / infected | 18:48 |
figuinhas | I mean deaths / cumulative infected | 18:48 |
slash_ | yeah, but we do not know the true amount of infected atm | 18:48 |
slash_ | there are limits to how much people can be tested | 18:48 |
figuinhas | recovered / (recovered + deaths) is survivability rate | 18:49 |
figuinhas | but it is too soon for data to be reliable in Italy | 18:49 |
slash_ | yeah, that's what I mean. currently it is all just very crude estimates | 18:50 |
mefistofeles | death rate is commonly the case fatality ratio, which is just cases/deaths | 18:50 |
slash_ | until we have more data | 18:50 |
mefistofeles | or the other way around deaths/cases | 18:50 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +80 cases (now 124999) 🔶 Norway: +80 cases (now 569) 🔸 Austria: +40 cases (now 246) 🔸 Bahrain: +5 recoveries (now 35) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bulgaria: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 99) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80969), +3 recoveries (now 61656) 🔸 Gansu, China: +2 cases (now 127) 🔸 Sichuan, China: +3 recoveries (now | 18:50 |
mefistofeles | the other specificity and sensitivity measures are not good numbers right now with such little data | 18:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:47 UTC: (news): Large gatherings banned in San Francisco and Seattle area to slow the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/prHMPa | 18:51 |
slash_ | damn so many European nations are reporting huge increases | 18:51 |
slash_ | !cases germany | 18:51 |
mefistofeles | well, it's an exponential function after all | 18:51 |
mefistofeles | still peaking | 18:51 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, how stupid is JHU exactly? look at this now | 18:51 |
LjL | %cases Vietnam | 18:51 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, Vietnam not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:51 |
LjL | %cases Viet Nam | 18:52 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Viet Nam, there are 38 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 11:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Viet%20Nam for time series data. | 18:52 |
mefistofeles | only Korea reached a slowdown already... Japan somehow never had the expontential increase!! | 18:52 |
slash_ | mefistofeles yeah, we are not even near the peak | 18:52 |
mefistofeles | *exponential | 18:52 |
figuinhas | Most countries were not testing people with symptoms that have no contacts with confirmed infected | 18:52 |
LjL | most countries still aren't | 18:52 |
figuinhas | ECDC at it's best | 18:52 |
mefistofeles | true | 18:52 |
figuinhas | Changed today | 18:52 |
figuinhas | in most | 18:52 |
figuinhas | My country, Portugal | 18:53 |
slash_ | Japan is an odd case yes, they do not seem to take very strict measures so far | 18:53 |
figuinhas | leaped from 41 to 59 | 18:53 |
figuinhas | in 12 hours | 18:53 |
figuinhas | due to this | 18:53 |
mefistofeles | LjL: what's wrong with Vietnam? Other than they are evidently not testing | 18:53 |
mefistofeles | Thailand as well | 18:53 |
slash_ | vietnam does take very drastic measures tho? | 18:53 |
mefistofeles | and many latin american countries probably as well | 18:53 |
LjL | slash_, deaths/cases is flawed because there will be more deaths (not yet counted) from current cases (already counted). however, deaths / (death+recoveries) is usually also flawed due to the time to recovery being very different from the time to death, as well as recoveries being counted a bit weirdly by many countries | 18:53 |
LjL | mefistofeles, nothing, just that nobody calls it "Viet Nam" in English except apparently the JHU | 18:54 |
mefistofeles | LjL: I see haha | 18:54 |
LjL | they are making it much harder to guess the name of various countries | 18:54 |
LjL | Taiwan became "Taipei and environs" | 18:54 |
slash_ | LjL yes you are correct.. we are working with very crude numbers and estimates atm | 18:54 |
LjL | Iran became "Iran (Islamic Republic of)", clearly to distinguish it from... the other Iran?! | 18:54 |
figuinhas | I believe there is a chance many patients died in Italy before detecting the cluster | 18:54 |
figuinhas | But I have no sources | 18:55 |
LjL | slash_, that's why my bot provides a lower and an upper estimate for mortality in the second line, but it only does it for countries where those don't look completely inplausible | 18:55 |
twomoon | where do you see this going from here mefistofeles ? | 18:55 |
figuinhas | They were not looking for the disease in the area | 18:55 |
twomoon | how is colombia doing? | 18:55 |
LjL | figuinhas, yes, there were a few suspicious pneumonias going back to november. they may test post-mortem maybe... | 18:55 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: the same I actually saw when I first heard the TWIV podcast, probably most of the population getting it eventually and some countries struggling with health care | 18:56 |
mefistofeles | but those countries are probably the ones that are already struggling with it so they may not even notice | 18:56 |
twomoon | i expect USA to get hit very hard. i don't think we are leaders in terms of ICU beds or other hospital beds per 100k ciudadanos | 18:57 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: true | 18:57 |
twomoon | are rural USA is far worse than urban USA for the most part | 18:57 |
mefistofeles | but I don't see it being worse than in Italy, at least for now | 18:57 |
twomoon | italy somehow i suspect got hit with a more virulent mutation as well as having a very old population | 18:58 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: also rural USA is less likely to get it, so it's not that simple | 18:58 |
twomoon | i dunno man it's showing up in Nebraska now | 18:58 |
LjL | there is a joint press statement by Conte and von der Leyen in that link | 18:58 |
slash_ | less population density might slow spread though | 18:58 |
LjL | (in English) | 18:58 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: it's the same, just that Italy's population is much older, so they are "playing" in the higher death rate scenario | 18:59 |
LjL | i see basically no substance | 18:59 |
LjL | not much of a surprise | 18:59 |
twomoon | yes | 18:59 |
twomoon | ljl any updates vis a vis your family? | 19:00 |
figuinhas | mefistofeles, it is much older, but still not old enough to justify such a big difference in death rate | 19:00 |
LjL | twomoon, they're staying at home and trying to remain sane. i brought my sister some things, she's okay | 19:00 |
mefistofeles | figuinhas: they say it actually evens it out with China rates | 19:00 |
twomoon | it depends how those old people are clustered figuinhas . what if they all happen to hang out together playing card games at a local club? | 19:01 |
mefistofeles | one would have to run the numbers, but getting the info on age is a bit tricky | 19:01 |
twomoon | does your sister live wiht you ljl ? | 19:01 |
mefistofeles | :/ | 19:01 |
LjL | no | 19:01 |
twomoon | oh ok, coo. stay safe ljl ! | 19:01 |
LjL | i'll try. i had a walk today. tried to stay away from people, wore a (re-used :\) mask, next time i'll ditch the mask, it's just awful to wear | 19:02 |
LjL | i wonder if surgical masks feel less awful | 19:02 |
twomoon | yeah i tried my P95 mask it was awful | 19:02 |
LjL | this is a "duck" fpp1 mask | 19:02 |
LjL | not sure if "duck" describes it | 19:02 |
mefistofeles | I haven't seen anyone wearing a mask around here, tbh | 19:02 |
twomoon | i hate to say it but western folks in general are "too cool for school" when it comes to wearing masks | 19:03 |
mefistofeles | it's not that effective either | 19:03 |
mefistofeles | it can make things worse, as well | 19:03 |
twomoon | even if it's mildly effective people should still do it right? | 19:03 |
freebobby[m] | not if it puts healthcare workers in shortage imo | 19:04 |
slash_ | twomoon in EU we have severe lack of masks, it's not possible atm to get majority to wear masks | 19:04 |
mefistofeles | no if it makes you touch your face more than you should and you are less cautious because you think you are safe, which happens commonly | 19:04 |
twomoon | that's 3M's fault. why can't 3M bring online 100 more manufacturing machines | 19:04 |
freebobby[m] | according to them they are | 19:04 |
twomoon | haha yea mefistofeles i was taking mine off at random intervals and gasping for breath | 19:04 |
twomoon | so true | 19:04 |
slash_ | twomoon healthcare alone has huge shortage now, and this is with very few people wearing them.. | 19:04 |
slash_ | we are simply very badly prepared | 19:05 |
freebobby[m] | in the midwest, ive seen much more elbow bumps | 19:05 |
freebobby[m] | instead of handshakes | 19:05 |
mefistofeles | I'd think having masks for everyone doesn't say well prepared, fwiw | 19:05 |
slash_ | there is one company in the Netherlands that can make masks, they are getting orders from all over the world but they can only produce like 100k a month or so | 19:05 |
twomoon | slash_, where u at may i ask? | 19:05 |
LjL | mefistofeles, i have heard too much conflicting information about masks, types of masks, who should wear them... all i know is there is a global shortage, and health workers definitely need them, so if someone thinks by lying about their effectiveness, people will hoard them less... they'll lie | 19:06 |
slash_ | twomoon Netherlands, but the situation is similar all over the EU | 19:06 |
twomoon | netherlands has a small cell turning into a big one pretty quickly | 19:06 |
LjL | freebobby[m], i don't understand this thing, can't people just say "Hello" | 19:07 |
twomoon | 100k a month is pathetic | 19:07 |
iz | re: masks, i've heard they are really only effective at stopping the spread if you already have it, which is good and extra important for healthcare workers | 19:07 |
LjL | i always felt weird shaking hands tbh | 19:07 |
twomoon | man, we're smarter than this. we can make robots and shit | 19:07 |
mefistofeles | lol | 19:07 |
mefistofeles | LjL: true | 19:07 |
slash_ | twomoon yes, and this is when we have stopped testing direct family of cases, they are only told to self-isolate for 2 weeks, and will only be tested with severe symptoms | 19:07 |
twomoon | ljl, we need to kill off british culture | 19:07 |
iz | but if you are just wearing one to try to prevent your own infection, you are probably just causing yourself to touch your face way more than you normally would | 19:07 |
twomoon | don't ever wear a suit or shake hands. | 19:07 |
mefistofeles | when I'm back at my country I will need to self-quarantine for sure | 19:07 |
mefistofeles | :/ | 19:08 |
LjL | iz, your face, or your mask instead of your face. whether the latter will help or harm... is arguable, and probably ultimately unknown | 19:08 |
twomoon | you don't kiss ppl as a greeting do you? | 19:08 |
twomoon | =/ | 19:08 |
mefistofeles | never | 19:08 |
mefistofeles | :P | 19:08 |
mefistofeles | never do that again, ever | 19:08 |
twomoon | rofl | 19:08 |
skyofdust | If it gets bad masks for me will be prohibitive for me. I'm at the end of a sabbatical leave, I wonder how easy will it be to get work on the coming weeks, oh geez, hadn't thought of that. | 19:08 |
slash_ | we do haha, but I think it is a lot less now | 19:08 |
slash_ | we do not kiss as much as the italians though | 19:08 |
twomoon | lol | 19:08 |
slash_ | only close family/friends usually | 19:08 |
twomoon | ljl control your instinct to kiss bruh | 19:09 |
mefistofeles | I find kissing weird, tbh | 19:09 |
LjL | slash_, when we do the cheek kissing thing, much of the time we aren't even actually touching though, it's kind of a gesture. it's more like, if you touch the other's face while doing it, it's no big deal (usually! obviously a big deal now) but it's kind of accidental | 19:09 |
LjL | least here in Milan | 19:09 |
slash_ | mefistofeles i always hate the cheek kissing yes, it's quite nasty lol | 19:09 |
mefistofeles | :/ | 19:10 |
slash_ | LjL yeah it's something like that here too, but you always have those people who feel the need to do a very wet triple kiss on the cheeks ugh | 19:10 |
mefistofeles | ugh | 19:10 |
LjL | slash_, like people who'll shake your hand energetically and for about one full minute | 19:11 |
mefistofeles | now with that on my mind, I should have some dinner xD | 19:11 |
slash_ | LjL yes.. just let go of my hand omg... maybe we are not that different from Italians haha | 19:11 |
mefistofeles | same in many latin american countries, fwiw | 19:12 |
twomoon | i wonder if the cheek kissing habit explains higher virulence in italy | 19:12 |
mefistofeles | I don't think so | 19:12 |
slash_ | well it doesn't help | 19:12 |
LjL | slash_, i cannot say that here in public without causing... problems... but i feel northern italy's culture is sometimes closer to other countries in europe than it is to southern italy :P | 19:12 |
twomoon | maybe the virus seeds itself with more particles initially when it infects someone because there was greater proximity due to the kissing stuff | 19:12 |
mefistofeles | LjL: and that's good? | 19:12 |
freebobby[m] | re: effectivness of masks https://imgur.com/gallery/iqm6nzW | 19:12 |
twomoon | so the virus multiplies exponentially starting from a much higher virus count | 19:13 |
twomoon | and the onset is much quicker in some people | 19:13 |
twomoon | you going out for dinner mefistofeles ? | 19:14 |
twomoon | lol just eat canned beans bro | 19:14 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: nah, I'm going out, I'm already out, btw | 19:14 |
LjL | mefistofeles, i don't know | 19:14 |
mefistofeles | going to the university mensa and watch a football game as well | 19:14 |
twomoon | okay man, choose hot steamy food over room temp food | 19:14 |
mefistofeles | lots of people | 19:14 |
mefistofeles | as it should | 19:14 |
twomoon | lol Mensa | 19:14 |
twomoon | am i interpreting that wrong | 19:14 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: I don't know, how are you interpreting it? | 19:15 |
twomoon | Mensa the international 'club' for 'smart ppl' | 19:15 |
LjL | mefistofeles, i know when this whole thing started and we all panicked, a computer magazine published an article with Google Trends that i found sort of enlightening: the regions that had searched for "coronavirus" were the expected northern regions, the ones hit, Lombardy first... but those that searched for "hand sanitizer" were 5 southern regions, and only after those came some northern ones | 19:15 |
slash_ | LjL there is bound to be customs that are shared in many european countries, I went to north Italy a few times at the Garda lake (lago di Garda?) the people there are much more friendly than over here lol (but maybe it was because I was a tourist) | 19:15 |
LjL | mefistofeles, now considering there was a lot of speculation on masks and hand gel, being sold on ebay, amazon or the black market for extortionate prices, i kind of wondered just how much southern italians cared for us at all | 19:15 |
mefistofeles | lol | 19:16 |
mefistofeles | I mean, it's always a good time for doing business xD | 19:16 |
twomoon | lol | 19:16 |
LjL | mefistofeles, yeah, they do seem to have that sort of attitude | 19:16 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: ah nah, it's just the university student restaurant thing | 19:16 |
LjL | Milan too, but a bit differently :\ | 19:16 |
twomoon | coo . remember mefistofeles order something very hot and steamy | 19:16 |
mefistofeles | LjL: yeah, they sure look similar to latin americans in some ways | 19:16 |
twomoon | ie, no hamburgers | 19:17 |
slash_ | where do you think LATIN comes from? :P | 19:17 |
mefistofeles | twomoon: haha ok, but don't worry | 19:17 |
twomoon | lol | 19:17 |
mefistofeles | slash_: language, not culture ;) | 19:17 |
mefistofeles | well, not whole culture | 19:17 |
LjL | mefistofeles, there was a fairly large emigration wave from Italy to various Latin American countries. i believe in Argentina, it was mainly *northern* Italians, somehow, but elsewhere it was mainly southern | 19:17 |
twomoon | ljl i never asked you this but are you more latin or more germanic? | 19:18 |
mefistofeles | yes, in Argentina you get a lot of italian culture, not so much in the norther parts of south america, though | 19:18 |
mefistofeles | *northern | 19:18 |
slash_ | mefistofeles yes of course I am oversimplifying :P but southern Europeans do look a lot like people from South and Central America (mostly, the are of course regions where this is not so) | 19:18 |
LjL | twomoon, that's not a question i have any idea how to answer :P | 19:18 |
LjL | twomoon, i can pronounce ö and ü | 19:19 |
twomoon | i need entertainment while i'm quarantined bro! | 19:19 |
twomoon | hahaha | 19:19 |
LjL | but you aren't even quarantined, i am | 19:19 |
twomoon | i'm pseudo-self-quaranteening | 19:19 |
mefistofeles | he's paranoid | 19:19 |
LjL | well, countries aren't being paranoid *enough*, so maybe that's faily okay | 19:20 |
LjL | fairly | 19:20 |
LjL | but possibly faily also | 19:20 |
LjL | we'll see | 19:20 |
mefistofeles | I don't think so, tbh | 19:20 |
twomoon | i'm imagining you pseudo-self-quaranteening when you arrive back to colombia. riding your bike constantly at 40km/hr thinking the virus won't stick to your body surfaces at that speed =/ | 19:20 |
mefistofeles | most likely | 19:20 |
mefistofeles | xD | 19:20 |
slash_ | you're gonna sweat a lot bicycling at 40km/hr | 19:21 |
twomoon | go live in the forest for a while like you've always wanted | 19:21 |
mefistofeles | thanks for telling others where I'm from without my consent, btw | 19:21 |
mefistofeles | :P | 19:21 |
twomoon | i thought you told everyone already sorry | 19:21 |
mefistofeles | haha no, but no worries | 19:21 |
twomoon | ok i'll shut up now | 19:21 |
slash_ | there is people from all over the world here :p | 19:21 |
skyofdust | Yup. | 19:21 |
mefistofeles | so, let me load these trajectories and off I go! | 19:22 |
slash_ | we only speak english because the Brits conquered like most countries in the past | 19:22 |
skyofdust | Sadly yes, and it's the language of the current empire. | 19:23 |
skyofdust | That sounded less drammatic in my head. | 19:23 |
slash_ | if the Brits didn't take new Amsterdam we might be speaking Dutch! | 19:23 |
figuinhas | slash_ this is off topic, but I think english is the easiest language to learn | 19:23 |
figuinhas | in the world | 19:23 |
mefistofeles | skyofdust: haha | 19:23 |
slash_ | although that is something I do not wish upon anyone else | 19:23 |
mefistofeles | anything with empire gets dramatic instantly | 19:23 |
twomoon | spanish is more consistent than english | 19:24 |
mefistofeles | figuinhas: is it? I think like most chinese would disagree | 19:24 |
figuinhas | I have this friend that has that problem that he can't right properly | 19:24 |
slash_ | figuinhas I agree, but this is maybe because of so many english media here (tv/movies/games/etc) | 19:24 |
figuinhas | No | 19:24 |
twomoon | i think spanish is easier to learn but we need to get rid of the n with the tilde over it and replace it with the 'gn' like italian | 19:24 |
figuinhas | it is too simple | 19:24 |
figuinhas | even for chinese | 19:24 |
skyofdust | Oh yeah no kidding, I learned english with Mario RPG and Final Fantasy VI. | 19:24 |
slash_ | figuinhas i really cannot judge, I see native English speakers have issues with there/their/they're but to me | 19:25 |
skyofdust | I was attending english classes, but understanding that media motivated me. | 19:25 |
figuinhas | ... for chinese, compared to learn portuguese or french | 19:25 |
figuinhas | My friend is portuguese as me | 19:25 |
figuinhas | He writes better in english | 19:25 |
figuinhas | than he does in portuguese | 19:25 |
figuinhas | and he uses portuguese daily | 19:25 |
figuinhas | and I know this walish woman | 19:26 |
figuinhas | that her son had to change from walish school to english school | 19:26 |
twomoon | how can that be? | 19:26 |
figuinhas | because he had that problem | 19:26 |
figuinhas | that you change the letters | 19:26 |
figuinhas | what is it called | 19:26 |
slash_ | tbh, English grammar makes more sense to me than Dutch grammer | 19:26 |
twomoon | how is it possible to write better in english that one's own native language | 19:26 |
slash_ | well, my language doesn't make any sense | 19:27 |
figuinhas | because he knows both languages well | 19:27 |
twomoon | i understand that portuguese writers don't usually use much punctuation | 19:27 |
figuinhas | and english is more simple | 19:27 |
slash_ | the rules are: "it's like this because it is like this" | 19:27 |
figuinhas | not so many words | 19:27 |
figuinhas | no so many sounds | 19:27 |
twomoon | i remember reading some brazilian newspapers are was surprised at how few commas there were | 19:27 |
oxalis | I don't know anything but English and some spanish. and I'm here to say, the English language is fuckd | 19:27 |
twomoon | and was surprised* | 19:27 |
figuinhas | what have I done | 19:27 |
figuinhas | how is this related to covid | 19:28 |
mefistofeles | oh hell, I cannot visualize these trajectories on my machine :( | 19:28 |
mefistofeles | I need to download more ram | 19:28 |
twomoon | problem of changing letters? not sure what to call that | 19:28 |
LjL | hey you know i do have ##language | 19:28 |
figuinhas | I actually don't like the portuguese keyboard for example | 19:28 |
figuinhas | for programming is a nightmare | 19:29 |
figuinhas | always having to use shift | 19:29 |
skyofdust | lol | 19:29 |
figuinhas | that is not portuguese | 19:29 |
python476 | twomoon: nostalgia | 19:29 |
oxalis | tengo un caganer de Trump | 19:29 |
figuinhas | oxalis that is inapropriate | 19:30 |
oxalis | It's catalonian | 19:30 |
figuinhas | oh | 19:30 |
LjL | it's not catalonian | 19:30 |
figuinhas | the toy? | 19:30 |
LjL | at least not the "tengo" part | 19:30 |
oxalis | yes | 19:30 |
oxalis | tengo is "I have" | 19:30 |
LjL | ... in spanish | 19:30 |
LjL | it's "tinc" in catalan | 19:30 |
oxalis | did I just say something awefull? | 19:31 |
LjL | but really, ##language :) | 19:31 |
twomoon | lol i just found out what a caganer is | 19:31 |
figuinhas | oxalis you said you have a toy of Trump taking a number 2 | 19:31 |
oxalis | yes... caganer.com | 19:31 |
oxalis | It's a thing | 19:31 |
slash_ | wat | 19:31 |
tinwhiskers | Morning folks. So we're in a pandemic now. That's good news. | 19:31 |
oxalis | the version I have, he's pooping on the US constitution | 19:32 |
slash_ | good evening tinwhiskers :P | 19:32 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, also we're talking about languages having words for pooping figurines in nativity scenes, somehow | 19:32 |
figuinhas | is this about the pandemic? | 19:32 |
LjL | also there's a helicopter seemingly hovering above us | 19:32 |
figuinhas | I tought it was about the desease | 19:32 |
oxalis | Strictly speaking, it's a figurine not a toy | 19:32 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 Veneto, Italy: +167 cases (now 1023), +3 deaths (now 29), +7 recoveries (now 54) 🔶 Toscana, Italy: +56 cases (now 320), +2 recoveries (now 5) 🔶 Marche, Italy: +85 cases (now 479), +5 deaths (now 18) 🔶 Lombardia, Italy: +1489 cases (now 7280), +149 deaths (now 617), +4 recoveries (now 900) 🔶 Liguria, Italy: +53 cases (now 194) 🔶 Emilia Romagna, Italy: +206 cases (now 1739), +28 deaths (now 113), +7 reco | 19:32 |
figuinhas | I never heard the word figurine before | 19:32 |
figuinhas | So yesterday | 19:33 |
oxalis | I little character doll for display | 19:33 |
figuinhas | I installed tinder | 19:33 |
figuinhas | because of the pandemic | 19:33 |
figuinhas | I am now going to meet women online | 19:33 |
slash_ | you're planning to repopulate the earth? | 19:33 |
figuinhas | I wasn't thinking that way | 19:34 |
figuinhas | but it sounds a deeply honorable mission | 19:34 |
LjL | there really was a helicopter hovering above my street for a while | 19:35 |
LjL | not quite above my building but almost | 19:35 |
LjL | %cases lombardia | 19:35 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +92 cases (now 125115), +5 deaths (now 4585) 🔶 US: +58 cases (now 1109) 🔸 Austria: +40 cases (now 246) 🔸 Bahrain: +5 recoveries (now 35) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 35) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bulgaria: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 99) 🔸 Chile: +6 cases (now 23) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 80969), +3 recoveries (now 61656) 🔸 Gansu, China: +2 cases ( | 19:35 |
oxalis | were they checking for people that were not supposed to be out? | 19:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 7280 cases, 617 deaths (8.5% of cases), 900 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 17:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 19:36 |
oxalis | %cases Deep South | 19:36 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: Sorry, Deep South not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 19:36 |
LjL | oxalis, considering i met no police or anything when i went out earlier today, that seems unlikely | 19:36 |
slash_ | that happens here too, military trains nearby occasionally | 19:36 |
figuinhas | LjL is the helicopter related subject related with the coronavirus? | 19:36 |
LjL | figuinhas, depending on what the helicopter was here for, i dunno | 19:36 |
oxalis | ^ | 19:36 |
figuinhas | I installed tinder | 19:37 |
figuinhas | Because... | 19:37 |
figuinhas | I need a girlfriend, in case we can't get out of home | 19:38 |
figuinhas | In case I don't get a girlfriend | 19:38 |
figuinhas | what sex toy can I buy as a substitute | 19:38 |
twomoon | lol | 19:38 |
figuinhas | to survive this outbrak? | 19:38 |
python476 | god I can't imagine pornhub stats right now | 19:38 |
LjL | don't push it | 19:38 |
LjL | i can see what you're doing, and it's not funny | 19:38 |
python476 | plus the new fetishes | 19:38 |
slash_ | lmao | 19:38 |
python476 | hot milf in hazmat suit | 19:39 |
commandocrypto[m | can someone explain how lombardy had less than 100 cases less than 10 days ago, and yet now is claiming 900 recoveries??? If they actually think that ppl recover in 10 days - are they in the middle of shooting off their other foot?? | 19:39 |
twomoon | damn lombard region has 8%+ mortality | 19:39 |
figuinhas | I think it is part of the subject | 19:39 |
figuinhas | but if it is not | 19:39 |
figuinhas | I will no longer talk about my struggle | 19:39 |
LjL | commandocrypto[m, i barely look at recoveries, everyone seems to calculate them differently, and in many countries' graph they have sudden spikes | 19:39 |
LjL | twomoon, yes, that IS something i look at :( | 19:39 |
commandocrypto[m | this is a pretty on-topic chat, figuinhas | 19:40 |
LjL | figuinhas, there was a discussion that had veered offtopic for a while, so i just gently noted there is another channel for that. it's not like i'm banning people for making one offtopic comment... but then, after the helicopter thing, which i noted because it was somewhat alarming, you started seeing how far you could push the "it'll be okay as long as i connect it to the coronavirus" concept. that's one thing ops generally don't like | 19:41 |
commandocrypto[m | LjL: same - i'm geniunely wondering if the medical workers and authorities in europe are even aware of really important precautions at this point | 19:41 |
LjL | commandocrypto[m, considering 12% of the sick in italy are medical personnel? | 19:41 |
slash_ | they are telling medical personnal that show any sign of illness to go home and rest and recoup | 19:42 |
slash_ | because soon they might be doing very harsh hours | 19:42 |
slash_ | so they should be as healthy as possible while they still have the opportunity | 19:43 |
LjL | slash_, but here, medical personnel who tests positive but has no symptoms is allowed (encouraged?) to continue working, as long as... they wear a mask | 19:43 |
LjL | at least that was my understanding | 19:44 |
slash_ | LjL yes I read that as well | 19:44 |
LjL | on the other hand, can you blame anyone for this policy, when you consider also the policy of letting people oevr 65 or 70 or with comorbidites just die because there aren't enough ICUs for everybody? | 19:44 |
LjL | i mean, yes, you can, you can blame the government for not acting during the several weeks the epidemic panned out in China | 19:44 |
figuinhas | slash_ I think they are already making harsh hours | 19:44 |
figuinhas | there are some news referring | 19:45 |
slash_ | fignuinhas here it is still "under control" (well, not overwhelmed at least), so the idea is that they can now get healthy for when it gets worse | 19:45 |
figuinhas | China is going to send experts | 19:46 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Biggest daily rise as UK cases reach 460 → https://is.gd/zuBQHY | 19:46 |
aradesh | why do our leaders keep telling us that it's inevitable that most of us will get it, when china, a country much larger with a lot more densely populated areas than us, has managed to contain it? | 19:46 |
freelock | <commandocrypto[m "can someone explain how lombardy"> how about they actually got ahold of some tests? | 19:46 |
figuinhas | *medical experts | 19:46 |
freelock | https://www.king5.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/seattle-woman-recovered-from-coronavirus-shares-her-story/281-126b5ec3-27f1-4e87-b488-2c7a9c67f34a | 19:46 |
LjL | freelock, testing negative after just ten days is pretty rare though, i believe | 19:46 |
LjL | freelock, i get an access denied on that page, not sure if it's just me | 19:47 |
slash_ | aradesh because we in Europe are not trying to contain it anymore it seems to me... only mitigation (slowing down virus) | 19:47 |
freelock | ... here in King County, the epicenter of the US outbreak, I've heard lots of stories of people with potential exposure, with symptoms, and even with conditions that put them in a high risk category not being able to get tested | 19:48 |
figuinhas | I have to go | 19:48 |
aradesh | slash_: why dont they try? | 19:48 |
freelock | that's a story about a woman who went to a dinner party, got sick, and actually was part of an influenza study that randomly chose her sample to test for COVID-19, and came back positive | 19:49 |
figuinhas | keep up the good work guys | 19:49 |
figuinhas | thanks for creating the channel | 19:49 |
twomoon | ljl is multimorbiliti a adj or noun? | 19:49 |
slash_ | aradesh this is something that needs a truly global response, if too many countries fail the virus cannot be container... perhaps they expected this? | 19:49 |
LjL | twomoon, in what language? that's not a word for me in either english or italian O.o | 19:49 |
slash_ | aradesh I mean, we cannot lock down countries for years right | 19:49 |
twomoon | oh ok nevermind. yeah italian. google translated it as 'multimorbable' | 19:50 |
freelock | I suspect we have a huge number of people here that have already been infected... but our numbers look terrible, 10% fatality rate | 19:50 |
aradesh | we'd have a vaccine eventually though | 19:50 |
aradesh | 10%? where? | 19:50 |
freelock | (I think mainly because they're only testing dead people!?!?!) | 19:50 |
freelock | !cases Washington | 19:50 |
twomoon | i wonder what they mean by multimorbably disease. one that can kill in your several different ways? | 19:50 |
figuinhas | slash_ I have been following the situation for a while | 19:50 |
slash_ | aradesh a vaccine will make it manageable, it won't make the virus go away. this is as infectous as the flu, and we cannot eradicate the flu either with vaccines | 19:51 |
freelock | ... we had 51 cases 2 days ago, and some 20 deaths | 19:51 |
figuinhas | in my opinion the CDC and specially the ECDC did not take as serious as they could have this pandemic | 19:51 |
LjL | twomoon, i think normally what they mean is that you die *from* multiple diseases and it's hard to establish which one killed you exactly | 19:52 |
figuinhas | the european countries have been following ECDC recommendations | 19:52 |
slash_ | figuinhas a lot of countries failed on this tbh | 19:52 |
LjL | twomoon, which is something that can make death figures from different countries (or even different regions within Italy, or provinces in China) hard to compare | 19:52 |
twomoon | oh ok ljl suddenly it makes more sense | 19:52 |
figuinhas | but ECDC have not been following WHO or China advice as much as they could | 19:52 |
LjL | figuinhas, i'm only now starting to hear anything from the EU on this epidemic at all. they've seemed so... utterly silent | 19:53 |
slash_ | EU nations at least have been focusing more on preventing panic than preventing spread, and still seem to be unwilling to implement proper containment measures | 19:53 |
figuinhas | I checked an inner statement, I think kynda 3 weeks ago | 19:54 |
twomoon | did you like how Merkel admitted that 100% of germans could get covid, ljl ? | 19:54 |
slash_ | my country is doing less than Italy when it had similar number of cases... and we are much smaller (NL) | 19:54 |
figuinhas | They were predicting the possible situation of containment not being possible | 19:55 |
skyofdust | %data mexico | 19:55 |
Brainstorm | skyofdust: In all areas, Mexico, there are 8 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 19:40:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 19:55 |
figuinhas | and the focus on mitigation | 19:55 |
figuinhas | don't interpret me wrong | 19:55 |
figuinhas | I said possibility | 19:56 |
aradesh | i wonder when work will start telling me to work from home | 19:56 |
figuinhas | mine already did | 19:56 |
LjL | twomoon, it made my blood freeze for a while, but yeah, i prefer it to lies | 19:56 |
figuinhas | from next week on | 19:56 |
aradesh | also, i've been hearing lots of peolpe with nasty coughs while i've been out and about... | 19:56 |
aradesh | maybe i'm just noticing it more because of this thing, but... i dunno | 19:56 |
figuinhas | aradesh are you from a country affected seriously by the coronavirus? | 19:57 |
aradesh | the UK | 19:57 |
figuinhas | I went with a couple to a music concert on friday | 19:57 |
slash_ | aradesh I have the same thing, but I think it's because you are just much more aware of it now | 19:57 |
figuinhas | and they are now sick | 19:57 |
figuinhas | I am concerned about it | 19:57 |
twomoon | ljl contrast Merkel's admission and openness to what Trump and co are doing | 19:57 |
figuinhas | They are my friends | 19:58 |
slash_ | aradesh also touching things in public transport, it just seems so filthy now lol | 19:58 |
figuinhas | guys | 19:58 |
figuinhas | really have to go | 19:58 |
figuinhas | catch an overcrowded train | 19:58 |
slash_ | tinder date? | 19:58 |
figuinhas | nah | 19:58 |
figuinhas | I just installed it | 19:58 |
LjL | slash_, i would recommend against *using* public transport if at all possible :( | 19:58 |
figuinhas | but already two girls liked me | 19:59 |
figuinhas | LjL good advice | 19:59 |
slash_ | LjL I try, but I have to use it at least once every 2 weeks for a long range trip.. so could be worse | 19:59 |
figuinhas | but I have to catch this one | 19:59 |
figuinhas | slash_ | 20:00 |
figuinhas | UK cases are escalating | 20:00 |
LjL | slash_, stab someone who's wearing a mask and wear it first | 20:00 |
slash_ | LjL well for now at least | 20:00 |
LjL | (disclaimer: not serious advice) | 20:00 |
figuinhas | not sure you will be able to do that | 20:00 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 18:46 UTC: /u/slakmehl: McClatchyDC su Twitter: "North Carolina has more than 10.5 million people. And just 300 coronavirus tests left. https://t.co/l8tvFHluGQ" → https://is.gd/uRJOqb | 20:00 |
figuinhas | the next time | 20:00 |
slash_ | LjL I'll try to stab someone next time thanks! | 20:00 |
LjL | i have worn a mask today that i had worn the other day. that's against most official advice, and yet, i did it anyway | 20:01 |
LjL | i'm also pondering ways to clean masks that seem reasonable. cleaning masks is also against official advice | 20:01 |
LjL | but, then, there is the fact that wearing masks *at all* is also against "official advice" | 20:01 |
slash_ | maybe soak it in alcohol? not sure if its actually possible to disinfect those N95 masks | 20:01 |
LjL | slash_, yeah, either that, or steam-clean it, are the options i'm considering | 20:02 |
LjL | it's not an N95, just a horrible to wear FPP1 mask | 20:02 |
mefistofeles | use the alcohol for the molotov better, works best with a mask | 20:02 |
LjL | molotov? | 20:02 |
mefistofeles | nvm | 20:02 |
mefistofeles | :P | 20:02 |
slash_ | yes throwing molotovs keeps people away | 20:02 |
LjL | oh | 20:02 |
LjL | good idea | 20:02 |
slash_ | I mean what are they gonna do? arrest you?? | 20:03 |
LjL | maybe strap a jacket with dynamite-like sticks coming out of it and a push button around me? | 20:03 |
LjL | that should let me take public transport safely | 20:03 |
mefistofeles | slash_: they can't if you are self-certificated | 20:03 |
slash_ | (yes btw, do not try this at home, or on the streets, etc) | 20:03 |
LjL | slash_, well, no, they're gonna shoot me | 20:03 |
slash_ | but it's illegal to shoot people | 20:04 |
LjL | only for some | 20:04 |
LjL | woah Guardian | 20:04 |
mefistofeles | The guardian view on the guardian view | 20:04 |
mefistofeles | meta view | 20:04 |
aradesh | i thought that said, "we are all kenyans now" lol | 20:04 |
LjL | five article, and none of them makes me want to click on it | 20:05 |
dTal | do not soak your paper filters in alcohol, they will degrade | 20:05 |
dTal | my advice would be to bake them | 20:05 |
mefistofeles | LjL: most of Guardian's article are kinda crappy, tbh | 20:05 |
LjL | dTal, so i've heard... but then i haven't heard of any other methods that would make it better. "just use a new mask" is certainly good advice, if you have those | 20:05 |
LjL | dTal, hmm, that'd take a while, but hadn't thought of that | 20:06 |
slash_ | dTal doesn't paper become very fragile after baking? | 20:06 |
mefistofeles | that's bread | 20:06 |
LjL | probably if you bake it at 240°© | 20:06 |
LjL | also C | 20:06 |
dTal | you don't need to bake them at 900C, just 100 will do | 20:06 |
slash_ | 900C? what kind of ovens do you people have | 20:06 |
mefistofeles | haha | 20:06 |
LjL | slash_, italians have a pizza oven fit as standard in most kitchens obviously | 20:07 |
dTal | just an exaggeration for effect :) | 20:07 |
slash_ | but, won't baking them a few times at 100C also degrade the masks? | 20:07 |
LjL | probably, but what won't? | 20:07 |
slash_ | yeah that's true | 20:07 |
LjL | i'm trying to maximize the ability to use 3 masks. total. | 20:07 |
dTal | My worry is it's difficult to test for degradation | 20:07 |
slash_ | it's hard to determine if they are properly desinfected too | 20:08 |
skyofdust | Why not put them in boiling water for a few seconds? Like blanching vegetables? | 20:08 |
Albright | Run 'em through the dishwasher | 20:08 |
LjL | dTal, but then, there was also this piece i'd been reading... it countered a bit the notion that anything beyond an N95 (or FPP2/3) mask is useless, by saying that while they do not guarantee they'll stop 95% of particles of the required size, in practice, many do, and it's a matter of probabilities anyway. which is what makes me think that wearing a reused mask, at least if it's cleaned somehow, has decent chances to be better than wearing none at all... | 20:09 |
LjL | Albright, already did that | 20:09 |
LjL | by accident though ;( | 20:09 |
LjL | i might not reuse that one! | 20:09 |
LjL | Albright, wait, no, you said dishwasher. i ran it through the washing machine | 20:09 |
Albright | I was joking, but how do you accidentally put a mask in… oh okay | 20:10 |
LjL | yeah, i'm stupid | 20:10 |
slash_ | the virus also seems to handle cold poorly, maybe rotate the masks and keep the used ones in low temperature (like a shed/outside somewhere)? | 20:10 |
dTal | skyofdust: it's paper. Water + paper = not good | 20:10 |
slash_ | sorry I meant, heat it handles heat poorly | 20:10 |
slash_ | so the opposite of what I suggested (keep it in a warm place) | 20:10 |
LjL | slash_, well i sweated today but i fear it's not *quite* that hot yet | 20:10 |
LjL | dTal, i must say though, even the one that ended up in the washing machine, it doesn't *look* much different from the ones that didn't. i realize looking at it with my bare eye doesn't tell much | 20:11 |
LjL | but... actually, i do have a USB microscope, don't i | 20:11 |
oxalis | are we still talking about caganers? | 20:11 |
slash_ | LjL sunshine also kills the virus apparently, maybe put it someplace it gets hit by the sun | 20:11 |
LjL | does anyone care to see what my masks (washing machine'd and not) look like under a microscope | 20:11 |
Albright | We have the virus spreading in areas where it's already summer like South America and sub-Saharan Africa, so is the "it won't spread so much in heat" thing confirmed really? | 20:11 |
mefistofeles | o/ | 20:11 |
dTal | LjL: wait, are we talking about disposable N95s? | 20:13 |
slash_ | it's doesn't prevent it fully, but it appears to reduce spread as it dies faster outside the body when it's hotter (like influenza) | 20:13 |
slash_ | Albright, sorry that was meant as a response to you | 20:13 |
dTal | I was thinking about respirator cartridges, which I don't think would handle the washing machine well at all | 20:13 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:56 UTC: Coronavirus: Biggest daily rise as UK cases reach 460: The NHS confirms two more patients with coronavirus have died in the UK, bringing the total to eight. → https://is.gd/zuBQHY | 20:14 |
dTal | Though I suppose all the same points apply. | 20:14 |
oxalis | aren't people cutting up braziers now for masks? | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | India closing its frontiers with 7 countries with most cases | 20:14 |
Albright | What does it mean to close a disputed, militarized border? | 20:16 |
slash_ | in the case of India, it's probably referring to Kashmir | 20:18 |
slash_ | does anyone have a news source about it? | 20:19 |
mefistofeles | whole India, that'swhat I've read | 20:19 |
python476 | https://youtu.be/IzXQ6Bu9JVI | 20:19 |
python476 | 11 March, Italy and the United States -- Dr John Campbell | 20:20 |
mefistofeles | %title | 20:22 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From youtu.be: 11 March, Italy and the United States - YouTube | 20:22 |
mefistofeles | lol | 20:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:20 UTC: (news): Ex-FDA chief on coronavirus: Governments must follow lead of businesses and impose more restrictions → https://is.gd/1D02Mo | 20:28 |
LjL | dTal, we're talking about worse than N95 unfortunately, just FPP1s... but the washing machine was definitely not intentional | 20:28 |
darsie | How effective is washing hands with water with soap and without soap? | 20:29 |
slash_ | regular soap is probably the best | 20:30 |
darsie | It's bad for the skin. | 20:30 |
slash_ | yeah | 20:30 |
LjL | darsie, soap melts away your oils, which results in washing away most pathogens too, although if it results in dry hands that's not great | 20:30 |
oxalis | Good question - I suppose using soap would break down the natural oils on the skin and help to dislodge viruses that are adhering to the oils | 20:30 |
slash_ | washing with alcohol based sanitizer is even worse | 20:30 |
slash_ | but, washing with just water is pretty useless | 20:31 |
slash_ | just use soap + some moisturizer | 20:31 |
darsie | I guess non soap detergent is just as good. | 20:31 |
darsie | soap being sodium salts of fatty acids. | 20:31 |
oxalis | doesn't the moisturizer make your hands sticky/greasy and cause more microbes to adhere ? | 20:32 |
slash_ | detergents are usually worse than soap for your skin | 20:32 |
darsie | Some are even advertised as pH neutral. | 20:32 |
slash_ | oxalis yes, maybe just use it at home | 20:32 |
oxalis | what's the difference between a detergent, a soap, and a surfactant? | 20:32 |
darsie | I thought detergent and surfactant are the same. | 20:33 |
darsie | soap is sodium salts of fatty acids. | 20:33 |
darsie | It's alkaline. | 20:33 |
oxalis | soap? | 20:33 |
darsie | neutralizes the acidic protection of the skin. | 20:33 |
darsie | yes | 20:33 |
LjL | as far as removing pathogens go, i think any surfactants will work, so if you don't like soap, or a given soap, any other should work. about effects on the skin i'm not so sure... i'd also just use moisturizing cream if your hands get dry | 20:33 |
slash_ | darsie ph neutral means ph of 0, skin is 5.5 | 20:33 |
darsie | neutral pH is 7. | 20:33 |
oxalis | so soap is caustic? | 20:34 |
slash_ | yeah sorry, 7 idd, but it's not the same as skin | 20:34 |
darsie | Not really caustic. It won't dissolve you quickly. | 20:34 |
python476 | oxalis: isnt soap basic ? | 20:34 |
darsie | basic and alkaline are the same. | 20:34 |
python476 | yes | 20:34 |
oxalis | Isn't caustic also alkaline? | 20:35 |
python476 | oh caustic too .. | 20:35 |
python476 | stupid me | 20:35 |
python476 | yeah my bad | 20:35 |
tinwhiskers | Surfactants are compounds that lower the surface tension (or interfacial tension) between two liquids, between a gas and a liquid, or between a liquid and a solid. Surfactants may act as detergents, wetting agents, emulsifiers, foaming agents, and dispersants | 20:35 |
darsie | caustic is dissolving tissue. Acids are caustic, too. | 20:35 |
oxalis | ah | 20:35 |
darsie | Some acids. | 20:35 |
darsie | DNA is not caustic. | 20:35 |
tinwhiskers | Both soap and detergent are surfactants | 20:36 |
python476 | vitamin c is caustic | 20:36 |
python476 | hence the c | 20:36 |
python476 | jk | 20:36 |
oxalis | tinwhiskers: so, what IS a surfactant? | 20:36 |
tinwhiskers | lol | 20:36 |
python476 | yeah and historically caustic was mostly about soda lye | 20:36 |
python476 | surfactants are very thin volumetants | 20:37 |
python476 | jk | 20:37 |
slash_ | but really, regular soap is fine to wash your hands | 20:38 |
darsie | A detergent is a surfactant or a mixture of surfactants with cleansing properties in dilute solutions. Surfactants are compounds that lower the surface tension (or interfacial tension) between two liquids, between a gas and a liquid, or between a liquid and a solid. | 20:38 |
darsie | ^wikipedia | 20:38 |
oxalis | so, hydrophobic coatings are surfactants? | 20:39 |
python476 | i dont even get how surface tension lowering works | 20:39 |
darsie | idk | 20:39 |
tinwhiskers | oxalis: I don't think hydrophobic things are surfactants. Quite the opposite. | 20:40 |
tinwhiskers | I think even salty water is a surfactant, but I might be wrong | 20:40 |
twomoon | water itself is a surfactant | 20:41 |
tinwhiskers | rather, salt | 20:41 |
python476 | i think yo mamma is a surfactant | 20:41 |
python476 | *this free joke was offered to you by facebook.com* | 20:41 |
aradesh | seems to me like our governments in europe, are more concerned about economy and GDP than saving a few million old people who they pay pensions to. | 20:41 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:25 UTC: Coronavirus: Biggest daily rise as UK cases reach 460: The NHS confirms two more patients with coronavirus have died in the UK, bringing the total to eight. → https://is.gd/zuBQHY | 20:41 |
darsie | twomoon: Does water lower the surface tension ... of what? | 20:41 |
oxalis | https://i.imgur.com/XpbVKP0.jpg | 20:42 |
aradesh | sorry to sound conspiratorial, but if our governments just let coronavirus spread around without serious attempts at quartining, stopping all flights from infected areas, then they'll have the deaths on their hands. | 20:42 |
aradesh | quarentining* | 20:42 |
aradesh | quarantining* | 20:43 |
Albright | oxalis: Jesus, tell me that's not real | 20:43 |
slash_ | yeah they call it the "boomerpocalypse" | 20:43 |
slash_ | but that doesnt really make sense because all those leaders are old and boomers themselves | 20:43 |
aradesh | yeah, but the boomers probably aren't voting for them. | 20:43 |
aradesh | or maybe they are, who knows | 20:43 |
ubLIX | *a few million old people who, disabled and medically ill people, and poor people | 20:43 |
aradesh | yup | 20:44 |
Albright | Also, how can a 2/2 be only $110 more expensive than a studio? What sense does that make? Heck, the 1/1 is more expensive. | 20:44 |
oxalis | Welcome to Austin | 20:44 |
oxalis | some of the highest real estate costs in the US | 20:44 |
Albright | Naah, that's gotta be fake. | 20:44 |
python476 | `Surfactants will diffuse in water and adsorb at interfaces between air and water or at the interface between oil and water, in the case where water is mixed with oil.` | 20:44 |
python476 | that's all i understand | 20:44 |
oxalis | the prices are real | 20:44 |
python476 | aradesh: 10$ their first thought was "retirement fund issues: gone" | 20:45 |
slash_ | well if a shitload of old people die housing prices will drop I suppose.. | 20:45 |
oxalis | Prices in Florida my finally go down | 20:45 |
python476 | then Florida will go down | 20:45 |
slash_ | Florida is already slowly sinking in the ocean anyway | 20:45 |
twomoon | dunno darsie | 20:46 |
Albright | I had a 1K in Tokyo, one stop away from Shinjuku, that was only like US$750 a month. But every other person I tell about living in Tokyo asks me, "Wasn't it so expensive to live there?" pssh. I can't pay that little for rent in freakin' Boise. | 20:46 |
Albright | Granted, the economy changed a bit between those two points in time. | 20:47 |
twomoon | what's a '1K' ? | 20:47 |
slash_ | you can get a small studio in a shitty neighborhood for €600/month (no utilities included) in Rotterdam, the Netherlands | 20:47 |
slash_ | which is cheap | 20:47 |
twomoon | that seems cheap, but does it come with a hot water heater? | 20:47 |
Albright | twomoon: Basically a studio but with a separate kitchen | 20:48 |
slash_ | water and heating is not included in that price | 20:48 |
twomoon | but do i have to install my own heater like in latin america? | 20:48 |
slash_ | so add around €90-130 | 20:48 |
slash_ | no | 20:48 |
twomoon | oh ok | 20:48 |
slash_ | but the rent is just you being able to live there, no power, water, heating etc included | 20:49 |
twomoon | yeah i'm used to that | 20:49 |
twomoon | altho here most of the time water is included in rent | 20:49 |
slash_ | you will also pay a 'service fee', which is for cleaning and maintenance of the building | 20:51 |
slash_ | maintenance inside apartment is covered by the rent though | 20:51 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: looks like http://offloop.net/covid19h/unconfirmed.csv is a bit broken | 20:51 |
slash_ | I once paid €250 a year for window cleaning, and the windows where cleaned once in the two years that I lived there... | 20:52 |
pwr22 | Right at the top of the file | 20:52 |
darsie | Are there public exponents of exponential spread by region? | 20:52 |
slash_ | had bird poop on 1 window for almost 2 years lol | 20:52 |
freelock | ... and they just closed down Seattle Public Schools for 2 weeks | 20:52 |
freelock | https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/education/seattle-public-schools-to-close-for-two-weeks-in-light-of-coronavirus-concerns/ | 20:53 |
slash_ | freelock what I wonder with those things is, where do the kids go? arent parents working usually? sending them to grandparents seems a worse idea... | 20:53 |
oxalis | https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/11/coronavirus-texas-community-spread-may-be-montgomery-county/ | 20:54 |
slash_ | do they roam free? like zebras | 20:54 |
freelock | lots of companies here have gone 100% remote | 20:54 |
oxalis | (Montgomery County is in the Houston area - one of the largest metros in USA) | 20:54 |
pwr22 | %cases uk | 20:54 |
Brainstorm | ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 65, in covid) | 20:54 |
oxalis | oops | 20:54 |
slash_ | freelocks that helps, but there's lots of jobs that cannot be done remote | 20:55 |
oxalis | 0/0cases johnny drop tables | 20:55 |
twomoon | slash_, the landlord (owner) should just pay that fee. it complicates shit when they pass those fees onto the renter. really stupid | 20:55 |
slash_ | freelocks cant stock a supermarket like that I think :p | 20:55 |
freelock | I've been coming in to our co-working space, which feels kind of empty... lunch spot that normally has a line around the corner had 5 people eating there at the peak of the lunch rush | 20:55 |
pwr22 | Yeah same bug as mine | 20:55 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:52 UTC: (news): Ex-FDA chief on coronavirus: Governments must follow lead of businesses and impose more restrictions → https://is.gd/1D02Mo | 20:55 |
freelock | yeah there's already restaurants that have gone out of business here due to lack of customers | 20:56 |
slash_ | twomoon it has to do with rental subsidies which only applies to the housing, not utilities. It is a complicated mess ugh.. | 20:57 |
twomoon | lol goddamnit | 20:57 |
yuriwho | My wifes company (contract pharma) laid off ~4% of R&D, and mandatory 2/days per month off unpaid for all employees + additional 1 week off for my wife (volunteered), all due to work slowdown and shortages of chemical starting materials from China | 20:57 |
yuriwho | this is in Canada | 20:57 |
slash_ | twomoon I am so glad I bought a house haha, don't have to deal with all that nonsense anymore | 20:57 |
oxalis | https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/104/104400.gif | 20:58 |
twomoon | god i gotta get out of the rental game | 20:58 |
twomoon | renting from parents is a step up but still bad | 20:59 |
twomoon | need to move to different state bro | 20:59 |
slash_ | twomoon having parents as landlords doesnt seem that bad though | 20:59 |
pwr22 | !cases uk | 21:00 |
oxalis | !cases montgomery county | 21:01 |
oxalis | !cases houston | 21:01 |
pwr22 | oxalis: the data is broken atm so it is blank | 21:02 |
oxalis | ah | 21:02 |
oxalis | all of it... gotcha | 21:02 |
slash_ | twomoon I rented from a company and when I left they took €50 out of my deposit because I had damaged the plaster, I was like "bitch there was NO plaster when I moved in here dammit, I had to do that myself" | 21:02 |
pwr22 | Yeah I had to restart the bot to handle the exception so now it has no valid data | 21:02 |
underscore_ | https://i.redd.it/5tjn0v4yl3m41.jpg | 21:03 |
underscore_ | I didn't screenshot it myself but found it online | 21:04 |
twomoon | haha slash_ yeah i've dealt with that my whole life it's irritating. i now just don't even pay the last months' rent and just let em take the security deposit | 21:04 |
underscore_ | https://i.redd.it/g1fqyurxk3m41.png | 21:07 |
slash_ | twomoon what is crazy here is that renters are almost always supposed to put in their own floor AND remove that floor when leaving. It's a huge waste of resources... For me they where "lenient" because they didn't charge me €500 for removing my €3000 floor and so I only had to pay €50 for damaging the plaster that I myself had put on the wall... | 21:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:06 UTC: (news): Large gatherings banned in San Francisco and Seattle area to slow the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/prHMPa | 21:09 |
twomoon | man that's a lot of work | 21:09 |
aradesh | it really annoys me how western governments seem happy to let the virus spread around the whole continent, because they're too worried about taking the actions required to actually stop it, because it harms "muh economy" | 21:10 |
aradesh | typical of us | 21:10 |
slash_ | twomoon I could remove the floor myself of course, but I figured who the hell is going to turn down an almost brand new free floor lol | 21:10 |
twomoon | lol aradesh | 21:10 |
aradesh | china will actually be looking over at us and thinking how inhumane we are, for letting it affect so many of our people | 21:10 |
twomoon | gonna buy chinese stocks lol | 21:10 |
twomoon | that's the weirdest policy slash_ but on the other hand i guess i wouldn't mind putting in my own rug instead of dealing with shitty old carpeting | 21:11 |
slash_ | aradesh meanwhile our inaction is gonna cost VASTLY more money because this is going to last for months... :S | 21:11 |
aradesh | slash_: they probably think, "the young people will be fine, andk eep going to work" | 21:11 |
aradesh | a lot of people i know IRL are like, "it's levelled off in china, and look what percentage of the population that is." not realising how they've taken drrastic precautions compared to us | 21:12 |
aradesh | they actually think that we must be taking better precautions here than there! | 21:12 |
slash_ | twomoon yeah I suppose that's the idea, so you don't get some shitty nasty floor from the previous occupant. But there is no sense involved it's just "remove the floor" regardless of condition. I was only spared the €500 removal fee because the new tenants visited and said they would like to keep it | 21:13 |
twomoon | !cases it | 21:13 |
aradesh | how long until italy goes above china? :/ | 21:13 |
twomoon | slash_, suddenly i'm turned off to the nederlands | 21:13 |
twomoon | neoliberalism gone wild | 21:13 |
twomoon | every apartment should just have tile flooring and then you can just rent a rug from a rug shop | 21:14 |
slash_ | twomoon oh yes, neoliberalism since 2002 over here! | 21:14 |
twomoon | they should just outlaw permament carpeting | 21:14 |
slash_ | twomoon it was mostly carpeting haha | 21:15 |
slash_ | twomoon but very new :p | 21:15 |
twomoon | carpeting has caused me so many problems...i'm allergic to dust mites | 21:15 |
twomoon | it should seriously be outlawed | 21:15 |
slash_ | twomoon oh yeah, the dust is unreal | 21:15 |
slash_ | twomoon 0 carpeting in my current house lol | 21:15 |
twomoon | my mom made a cheap rug from a piece of carpeting | 21:16 |
twomoon | you can just buy carpeting and then sew it around the edges with canvas or something and make a cheap rug | 21:16 |
twomoon | throw that over the bare tile or wood floor | 21:16 |
twomoon | then it can be replaced quite easily when it gets nasty | 21:16 |
slash_ | yeah carpet is going to get nasty eventually and will need to be replaced | 21:17 |
slash_ | can't clean it easily either | 21:17 |
twomoon | carpet should ideally be replaced once every 2-3 years if you have allergies | 21:17 |
twomoon | only reason carpeting is good is to keep footsies warm in the winter | 21:18 |
twomoon | "is this the first time for you to visit this country?" does this sound wrong to you in any way as an english speaker slash_ ? | 21:18 |
slash_ | my bathroom/toilet rugs can be machine washed, only have 1 rug in the living room that cant be cleaned that way | 21:18 |
slash_ | twomoon I am not a native english speaker :P but I think it is ok, maybe "is this your first visit to this country?" is better | 21:19 |
twomoon | our homemade rug had so much dirt in it after 4 years that when we cleaned it with the hose outside it just kept bleeding dirt | 21:19 |
twomoon | after the fifth washing it was still bleeding dirt | 21:20 |
twomoon | it disgusting to realize how much dirt and grime had settled into it | 21:20 |
slash_ | oh yes | 21:20 |
slash_ | I have one of those mats at the front door, and I clean it weekly | 21:21 |
twomoon | if you wanna live a healthier life clean your carpeting and don't wear shoes in the house and don't live in a place with a lot of dirt in the air | 21:21 |
slash_ | but when you slap that thing against the wall dust just keeps coming forever | 21:21 |
twomoon | lol | 21:21 |
slash_ | also, use a duster, and use it regularly | 21:21 |
slash_ | it's super fast to remove dust from stuff | 21:22 |
slash_ | maybe also get one of those air filter machines if you are really sensitive to dust | 21:22 |
slash_ | my friend has it for her asthmatic cat, but it helps a ton | 21:23 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:09 UTC: (news): Up to 150 million Americans are expected to contract the coronavirus, congressional doctor says → https://is.gd/XlKhp9 | 21:23 |
tinwhiskers | pwr22: yeah. thanks. checking | 21:23 |
pwr22 | Np | 21:24 |
twomoon | asthmatic cat ! | 21:24 |
pwr22 | !cases kora | 21:24 |
pwr22 | !cases korea | 21:24 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: should those two be getting merged? | 21:24 |
pwr22 | !cases viet | 21:25 |
pwr22 | Another case | 21:25 |
pwr22 | Seems like JHU has changed the upstream names of some things | 21:25 |
twomoon | !cases italy | 21:25 |
tinwhiskers | pwr22: ignore that. it's incorrect, due to JH arcgis data now being unavailable and it holding onto previous naming. I'm just fixing it | 21:25 |
pwr22 | Ah cool, thanks! | 21:26 |
slash_ | twomoon yeah when I visit he often gets exited and then he hyperventilates :S he can handle that, but he is also trained to use an inhaler if needed | 21:26 |
twomoon | wow never met an allergic cat | 21:27 |
twomoon | usually i'm wheezing around cats | 21:27 |
slash_ | twomoon no not allergic, he has asthma, so he gets out of breath | 21:27 |
twomoon | asthma is a type of allergy i think? | 21:27 |
pwr22 | Well it is auto-immune | 21:27 |
slash_ | twomoon no it's a lung illness | 21:28 |
pwr22 | So kind of | 21:28 |
twomoon | usually it's an allergy to dust but your immunse system goes nuts | 21:28 |
slash_ | twomoon well he gets short of breath when he is too exited, when he calms down he is fine | 21:28 |
pwr22 | slash_: does the cat use the inhaler? | 21:28 |
pwr22 | On it's own? | 21:28 |
slash_ | pwr22 he accepts the inhaler, but it's not one he can use on his own | 21:29 |
pwr22 | Ah, I was imagining some sort of amazing cat inhaler | 21:30 |
pwr22 | where they like put their face into a mask and press down on a button with their front paws | 21:30 |
pwr22 | which releases the inhalant into a chamber attached to the mask | 21:30 |
pwr22 | Then successful usage, it dispenses treats to help with the training | 21:31 |
twomoon | slash_, classic asthma then | 21:31 |
slash_ | pwr22 would be neat :p but I don't think he fully understands what is happening when he gets the inhaler | 21:31 |
slash_ | twomoon I think so yeah | 21:31 |
twomoon | my asthma is always brought on by dust or a perfume | 21:31 |
twomoon | or a cat | 21:32 |
slash_ | the dust caused it as well, so they got this air filtering machine | 21:32 |
slash_ | twomoon as a cat he is luckily not allergic to other cats :P | 21:32 |
twomoon | lol | 21:33 |
slash_ | twomoon he lives with 2 others too, but it's really the dust in the air and overexcitement that causes issues | 21:33 |
pwr22 | !cases cook county | 21:34 |
twomoon | i didn't know cats get excited | 21:34 |
slash_ | twomoon it really depends on the cat haha | 21:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:31 UTC: Top US health official says the coronavirus is 10 times 'more lethal' than the seasonal flu: "I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. → https://is.gd/O2ufiP | 21:37 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 Norway: +51 cases (now 621) 🔶 France: +497 cases (now 2281), +15 deaths (now 48) 🔸 Austria: +40 cases (now 246) 🔸 Bahrain: +6 cases (now 195), +5 recoveries (now 35) 🔸 Belgium: +2 deaths (now 3) 🔸 Brazil: +18 cases (now 52) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 7), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Chile: +6 cases (now 23) 🔸 Croatia: +3 cases (now 19) 🔸 Cyprus: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Estonia: +3 | 21:38 |
slash_ | twomoon he also seems really really calm, until he starts hyperventilating which looks a bit like he's choking :S kinda scary | 21:38 |
slash_ | twomoon like some sort of cough-breathing through his mouth | 21:39 |
twomoon | i'm glad it could be helped by a air purifier | 21:39 |
pwr22 | !cases it | 21:40 |
slash_ | well, it helps, but not a cure of course | 21:40 |
pwr22 | 😁 | 21:40 |
slash_ | lol | 21:40 |
slash_ | did you mean Italy? Italy? or Italy? maybe Italy? | 21:41 |
aradesh | i've gotten way better at washing my hands and not touching my face lately | 21:42 |
aradesh | i am pretty much going the whole day without touching my face except like, while showering, getting dressed, etc | 21:42 |
aradesh | specific times when i can make sure i've washed them first | 21:43 |
twomoon | i need to control touching my face when i have a minor itch | 21:44 |
twomoon | it's very hard | 21:44 |
slash_ | I touch my face all the time :S | 21:44 |
slash_ | at least I now work from home... | 21:44 |
slash_ | in public transport I try to put my hands in my pockets | 21:45 |
LjL | Italy PM speaking | 21:45 |
slash_ | so I remember to not touch my face | 21:45 |
LjL | Press conference | 21:45 |
twomoon | u watchin it live ljl ? | 21:45 |
LjL | Yes | 21:45 |
slash_ | LjL shit, again so late? this isn't good.. | 21:46 |
LjL | he's just saying standard stuff for now | 21:47 |
LjL | i think he's about to say all activities will be closed down countrywide | 21:48 |
darsie | Vienna subway doors now open automatically. No more lever or button touching. | 21:48 |
twomoon | where will the homeless stay at a time like this ljl ? | 21:48 |
LjL | "when i asked you to make sacrifices, i knew there would be more coming" | 21:48 |
LjL | now is the moment to make a further step | 21:48 |
LjL | the most important one | 21:48 |
LjL | italy will remain one area, a protected italy | 21:48 |
LjL | but now we are stopping all commercial activities | 21:49 |
LjL | shops, except for foodstuff | 21:49 |
LjL | and pharmacies | 21:49 |
LjL | do not rush to buy food in supermarkets | 21:49 |
LjL | but we are closing shops, bars, pubs, restaurants | 21:49 |
LjL | leaving only the option to buy for delivery | 21:49 |
LjL | for production and professional work, remote working must be used as much as possible | 21:49 |
LjL | industries will continue working, as long as they enact adequate safety protocols | 21:50 |
aradesh | LjL: i hope he has success | 21:50 |
LjL | public transport will keep working | 21:50 |
LjL | banks, insurance companies and financial services must continue | 21:50 |
aradesh | that sounds kind of... like not really trying? | 21:50 |
aradesh | if they're not even closing public transport? | 21:51 |
LjL | agriculture and farming as well as services connected to those activities will continue | 21:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:48 UTC: (news): Amazon launches $25 million relief fund for delivery drivers and seasonal employees amid coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/KE1PfT | 21:51 |
LjL | aradesh, he's basically closing shops | 21:51 |
LjL | Lombardy wanted to stop everything, other regions didn't, he's making a compromise | 21:51 |
aradesh | ah | 21:51 |
LjL | i am disappointed | 21:51 |
LjL | this will mean difficulty in buying things | 21:51 |
LjL | but not really stop the spreading of the virus via transport and at work | 21:52 |
slash_ | LjL meanwhile, in the Netherlands: "the Italians are overreacting, they're damaging the economy"... I am ashamed of my country | 21:52 |
LjL | slash_, :\ | 21:52 |
LjL | he's also nominating a commissioner with strong powers for health | 21:52 |
aradesh | LjL: people at my work place seem to think that the numbers china is levelling ouut at is a sign of how bad it could possibly get here, and that they suspect that our methods for preventing it spreading are likely better than china's | 21:52 |
LjL | better than china's? sure | 21:53 |
LjL | i mean, not | 21:53 |
LjL | now he's just reiterating that we must respect the rules | 21:53 |
aradesh | they just assume that a country like the UK would be doing a better job | 21:53 |
LjL | aradesh, that's a pretty silly assumption | 21:53 |
LjL | but we also had a moment of "we overreacted" some weeks ago | 21:53 |
LjL | look where that got us | 21:53 |
slash_ | LjL to clarify, that was not a government response btw, but it was from a healthcare professional. Does not make it better though.. | 21:54 |
aradesh | and they're like, china had 3000 people died and they have billions of people, so i mean, how bad can it possibly be? | 21:54 |
LjL | conference ends | 21:54 |
BoNgleger | %data germany | 21:55 |
Brainstorm | ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 66, in covid) | 21:55 |
aradesh | meanwhile merkel is like, "most of us will get it. keep calm carry on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" | 21:55 |
LjL | uh i thought i had handled '' | 21:55 |
pwr22 | Oh dear | 21:56 |
aradesh | ^^ | 21:56 |
pwr22 | !cases germany | 21:56 |
pwr22 | LjL: the csv broke earlier, could be the same again | 21:56 |
tinwhiskers | !cases germany | 21:56 |
aradesh | LjL: int(data or 0) will do the job | 21:56 |
tinwhiskers | oh | 21:56 |
LjL | aradesh, yeah, i had used that in the first place, then i used .get('blah', 0) because someone suggested it was neater, but... well, that doesn't work :P | 21:57 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: `Réunion;;1;;;1583959920` | 21:57 |
pwr22 | That's likely the issue? | 21:57 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 21:57 |
tinwhiskers | I think I've fixed most of the issues now. I'll take a look at that though | 21:58 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, time to change the separator again? :P | 21:58 |
tinwhiskers | lol | 21:58 |
pwr22 | I've improved Cov Bot to handle the data transiently breaking | 21:59 |
pwr22 | !cases uk | 21:59 |
pwr22 | Guess it isn't noticed a problem yet (it'd let us know it had problems) | 21:59 |
aradesh | LjL: hm ^^ | 21:59 |
LjL | %cases germany | 22:00 |
Brainstorm | ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '-->' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 66, in covid) | 22:00 |
LjL | lol | 22:00 |
LjL | "-->" is definitely not handled by "or 0" i'm afraid | 22:00 |
ubLIX | I wonder if Merkel saying 100% is an "influence operation" but in the opposite direction to most other countries; basically a version of "wake up, everyone get your game faces on" | 22:00 |
aradesh | if we have millions of deaths across europe, and china remains roughly the same due to having contained it better... and then if our politicians startt saying, "as we lost so many, we should bring in more migrants to make up the loss" it will cause some craziness in elections | 22:00 |
aradesh | LjL: ah xD | 22:00 |
LjL | Diamond Princess;;;-->;;1583959920 | 22:01 |
pwr22 | lol nice | 22:01 |
aradesh | accelerationism (tm) | 22:01 |
pwr22 | Don't think Cov Bot will be too happy with that either | 22:01 |
pwr22 | !cases Diamond | 22:01 |
LjL | now they're multiplying | 22:02 |
pwr22 | !cases Princess | 22:02 |
aradesh | 1583959920 cases on diamond princess? | 22:02 |
aradesh | lol | 22:02 |
LjL | JHU is really working to break everything for us | 22:02 |
pwr22 | Ah ha! now it's noticed the issues | 22:02 |
pwr22 | !cases Diamond | 22:02 |
pwr22 | Oh damn.... my mitigation is broken 🤦♂️ | 22:02 |
tinwhiskers | !cases reunion | 22:03 |
tinwhiskers | !data reunion | 22:03 |
tinwhiskers | %data reunion | 22:03 |
Brainstorm | ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '-->' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 66, in covid) | 22:03 |
tinwhiskers | :-( | 22:03 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, they actually have "-->" in the data? | 22:04 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:01 UTC: Amazon and Gates Foundation may team up to deliver coronavirus test kits to Seattle homes: Amazon Care has offered Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation its assistance with a project that aims to provide kits to Seattle residents who suspect they have symptoms of the COVID-19 coronavirus. → https://is.gd/eSuoX7 | 22:04 |
slash_ | I think that's just for the error message | 22:04 |
tinwhiskers | o.O | 22:04 |
tinwhiskers | fuck you JH | 22:05 |
slash_ | in any case '-->' is not a valid integer no | 22:05 |
slash_ | except maybe in javascript | 22:05 |
LjL | slash_, no the --> is in the csv | 22:05 |
LjL | while tin is busy fixing that, anyone have a clue how toxic breathing in sprayed isopropyl+water is going to be? | 22:06 |
slash_ | LjL well then it looks like something isn't escaped properly, or something goes wrong with converting | 22:06 |
LjL | not that i'm actively going to breathe it in on purpose | 22:06 |
LjL | but i put some in a spray bottle and i'm not sure how dangerous it is | 22:06 |
tinwhiskers | %data reunion | 22:08 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, Reunion, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Mon Jan 19 08:59:20 1970. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Reunion for time series data. | 22:08 |
tinwhiskers | !cases reunion | 22:08 |
ubLIX | "Isopropyl alcohol inhalation occurs anytime you are around an open container, although working with reasonable amounts of IPA is generally safe, it can cause headaches. Inhaling large amounts of isopropyl alcohol can cause nausea, vomiting, irritation of the nose and mucous membranes, throat irritations, and even difficulty with breathing as coughing can occur making it difficult for you to catch your breath." - https://blog.gotopac.com/ | 22:09 |
ubLIX | 2016/01/06/the-dangers-of-isopropyl-alcohol/ | 22:09 |
ubLIX | * https://blog.gotopac.com/2016/01/06/the-dangers-of-isopropyl-alcohol/ | 22:09 |
CatButtes[m] | LjL: it probably won't kill you | 22:09 |
CatButtes[m] | probably | 22:09 |
LjL | hmm | 22:09 |
LjL | well, thanks, i've heard more dangerous i guess | 22:09 |
CatButtes[m] | Looks like it used to have use as an anaesthetic if you believe wiki | 22:09 |
tinwhiskers | %data republic of korea | 22:10 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, Republic of Korea, there are 7755 cases, 60 deaths (0.8% of cases), 288 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 22:05:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Republic%20of%20Korea for time series data. | 22:10 |
contingo | they mostly come at night | 22:10 |
darsie | Inhaling water can kill you. | 22:10 |
CatButtes[m] | So almost certainly safe in the quantities you are looking at | 22:10 |
LjL | darsie, well, yes, but you do it all the time in the form of humidity, and a water-based spray doesn't generally kill you unless you spray it directly into your lungs maybe :P | 22:10 |
Tangent-Man[m] | How comes the % of deaths in Korea is so low? | 22:10 |
Tangent-Man[m] | What are they doing differently? | 22:11 |
LjL | good healthcare, very widespread testing | 22:11 |
darsie | Is Republic of Korea NK or SK? | 22:11 |
LjL | SK | 22:11 |
CatButtes[m] | And I believe their infections skew low due to the cult | 22:11 |
Tangent-Man[m] | SK | 22:11 |
LjL | we have no data on NK anyway | 22:11 |
CatButtes[m] | *younger | 22:11 |
pwr22 | Hmm, I see to be blowing away the search index even if the update fails :sad | 22:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:02 UTC: (news): Up to 150 million Americans are expected to contract the coronavirus, congressional doctor says → https://is.gd/XlKhp9 | 22:12 |
slash_ | !cases | 22:12 |
slash_ | that doesnt seem right | 22:13 |
darsie | USA has 330 Mhumans | 22:13 |
slash_ | what dat is it? | 22:13 |
slash_ | dtae | 22:13 |
LjL | it does say the data may be wrong | 22:13 |
slash_ | sigh, I meant: "what date is it" | 22:13 |
slash_ | ah ye missed that | 22:13 |
slash_ | !cases | 22:13 |
slash_ | how often does the bot update? | 22:14 |
LjL | mine just pulls from the offloop.net csv whenever you call it, so every 15 minutes, since i believe that's how often offloop.net polls | 22:16 |
pwr22 | Cov Bot does every 15 minutes, though if it's giving that error about updating it should be trying repeatedly | 22:16 |
tinwhiskers | pwr22: do you know if the JH arcgis data is unavailable at present? | 22:17 |
slash_ | I use https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ myself, it seems to be quite up to date most of the time | 22:17 |
tinwhiskers | before I bother looking into it | 22:17 |
tinwhiskers | slash_: yes, that data is also incorporated into the bot data | 22:17 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: I don't, i'm just pulling your data atm | 22:17 |
slash_ | tinwhiskers ahh alright | 22:17 |
tinwhiskers | oh. ok. | 22:18 |
tinwhiskers | Well, I thought my data was looking ok right now, except for a few leftover naming issues. Is there a problem from your point of view? | 22:18 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, the site/map is available | 22:19 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: I'll take a look | 22:20 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: thanks. I'm getting an error fetching their data but haven't looked into why. | 22:20 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i haven't checked their json though, don't know/remember where it is, i'm just looking at the dashboard | 22:20 |
LjL | my bot is okay with your csv now | 22:20 |
twomoon | who made offloop.net? | 22:21 |
twomoon | can i copy this person's code? i wanna learn coding | 22:21 |
slash_ | is it open source? | 22:21 |
tinwhiskers | offloop.net is my server. the covid graph is in... perl | 22:21 |
tinwhiskers | it's not open source | 22:21 |
slash_ | shit I thought Perl was extinct! :p | 22:22 |
tinwhiskers | I don't want to subject anyone to that! | 22:22 |
twomoon | can i have it? | 22:22 |
twomoon | i wanna yoink it | 22:22 |
LjL | i think you'd fall under "anyone" | 22:22 |
pwr22 | I like Perl | 22:22 |
twomoon | i wanna see if i can convert it to python django | 22:23 |
LjL | our "patient 1" is apparently recovering and spoke today | 22:23 |
LjL | fwiw | 22:23 |
slash_ | pwr22 I do not hate Perl, I just rarely see it in the wild anymore | 22:23 |
pwr22 | 😁 | 22:23 |
LjL | italians are stupid | 22:24 |
LjL | they're showing on TV how empty Piazza del Duomo is in Milan | 22:24 |
LjL | but guess what | 22:24 |
LjL | there's like... a SHITTON police cars parked there | 22:24 |
LjL | no surprise that's empty | 22:24 |
LjL | they should check the rest of Milan maybe | 22:24 |
slash_ | all of governments are stupid, it's like a "bet you can't do less than us" contest | 22:24 |
LjL | it definitely wasn't empty this afternoon | 22:24 |
LjL | :( | 22:25 |
LjL | i don't really like this new ordnance | 22:25 |
slash_ | at least you have ordinances.. | 22:26 |
LjL | they're making it difficult to buy needed things, because 1) food is not the only needed things and 2) if people have to buy all the other needed things at supermarkets, the already long supermarket queues will get unmanageable | 22:26 |
LjL | but they aren't stopping public transport and most people's jobs | 22:26 |
LjL | which is what is required to really slow this down at all IMO | 22:26 |
slash_ | instead of "maybe, like, sortof try to wash your hands and also... maybe not be with more than 1000 people... if you feel like it. No pressure, do what you think is right" | 22:26 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: I'm still seeing at least one numerical field being an empty string | 22:27 |
pwr22 | {'Country': 'Bolivia', 'Province': '', 'Confirmed': '2', 'Deaths': '', 'Recovered': '', 'LastUpdated': '1583961300'} | 22:27 |
LjL | slash_, it was just like that here (or worse) when we had your numbers, and even until now, it wasn't *much* more than this in practice. i mean... some things were forbidden, but people did them anyway, so | 22:27 |
tinwhiskers | pwr22: Ah. OK. I'll look into that. | 22:28 |
pwr22 | I'll make the bot interpret those are zeroes but unsure if you'd like to clean that on your end too? | 22:28 |
tinwhiskers | Yeah, I'll fix that anyway | 22:28 |
slash_ | LjL I am very well aware of that.. it is why I am so frustrated with my government, they know what will happen dammit :S | 22:28 |
LjL | slash_, and ours knew what happened in China, and the next one will... | 22:28 |
LjL | i mean, some people make crazy conspiracy theories and say this was all planned to "trim" humanity | 22:29 |
LjL | but do we really need to get there? | 22:29 |
LjL | we're managing just fine even if it's just a very natural virus | 22:29 |
slash_ | LjL why are humans so damn bad at being proactive... | 22:29 |
dunnp | because humans are selfish | 22:30 |
slash_ | dunnp probably yeah, but in this case the ignorant (old people in government) are more likely to suffer | 22:31 |
slash_ | so I guess that's the silver lining? | 22:31 |
pwr22 | !cases bolivia | 22:33 |
jcay | what | 22:33 |
jcay | 1970 | 22:33 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: I handle that ok now. If this was Perl I wouldn't need to 😁 | 22:33 |
pwr22 | Oh their timestamp is blank too I guess | 22:34 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: Bolivia;;2;;;1583961300 | 22:34 |
pwr22 | The timestamp is in seconds instead of milliseconds | 22:34 |
pwr22 | I guess | 22:34 |
LjL | yeah i saw that before | 22:35 |
tinwhiskers | heh. I'll fix that shortly | 22:35 |
pwr22 | Cool | 22:35 |
slash_ | looks like the timestamp defaulted to 0 on initial import or something | 22:35 |
pwr22 | I might change the bot to try to sanitise strictly and throw away "wrong" looking things to avoid unexpected failures 😁 | 22:35 |
jcay | we might start working from home next week | 22:35 |
tinwhiskers | ok, that should fix the blanks and timestamp problem. | 22:38 |
jcay | Iceland is doing really bad, 85 people from 300k | 22:39 |
pwr22 | Cool thanks! | 22:39 |
pwr22 | !cases iceland | 22:39 |
pwr22 | !cases uk | 22:40 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +101921 cases (now 227236), +3645 deaths (now 8245), +64992 recoveries (now 131749) 🔶 US: +129 cases (now 1238), +5 deaths (now 36) 🔸 Australia: +1 cases (now 128) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western A | 22:51 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 21:47 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Shimon Prokupecz su Twitter: "In less than 24 hours over 200 new cases. There are at least 1209 cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States, according to the state and local health agencies, governments and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention." → https://is.gd/RbE0Pm | 22:52 |
Timvde | +101k, what? | 22:52 |
Timvde | That's probably faulty data? | 22:53 |
LjL | uh | 22:53 |
LjL | earlier it was too low, now it's too high | 22:53 |
LjL | it's not on my end | 22:54 |
tinwhiskers | crud | 22:55 |
jcay | currently all cases 125,811 | 22:55 |
tinwhiskers | yes, there's something wrong there | 22:55 |
python476 | april 1st is gonna be awesome | 22:58 |
python476 | think of all the "China covid stats: 1.4B" | 22:59 |
LjL | python476, except it will be true? ;( | 23:03 |
python476 | thus 6B humans infected with acute confusion | 23:04 |
aradesh | LjL: fwiw i do python programming for my work, and i do stuff like int(data or 0) all the time | 23:04 |
python476 | eww | 23:04 |
python476 | python4, now with non nullable | 23:04 |
aradesh | lol, we still haven't upgraded to python 3... | 23:05 |
slash_ | wait there's a python 4 already? | 23:05 |
LjL | aradesh, have a chuckle at the if statement in my code then | 23:06 |
LjL | %source covid | 23:06 |
Brainstorm | LjL, source code for module 'covid' can be found at https://paste.ee/p/35MmR | 23:06 |
python476 | slash_: nah only fantasy-ing | 23:06 |
python476 | aradesh: what kind of application are you on ? | 23:06 |
aradesh | you have some very long lines! | 23:06 |
aradesh | python476: django server | 23:07 |
dunnp | LjL: should put it on github so we can all push fixes :) | 23:07 |
LjL | dunnp, just pastebin it :P | 23:07 |
LjL | i don't do git, i can't do git, and i'm not about to learn now | 23:07 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:01 UTC: (news): Up to 150 million Americans are expected to contract the coronavirus, congressional doctor says → https://is.gd/XlKhp9 | 23:07 |
dunnp | its like 3 commands | 23:07 |
LjL | aradesh, my bot is python 2 as well, and now some of the essential modules it's using (praw, namely) are python 3-only now... so pipenv won't even let me install new modules | 23:07 |
Timvde | aradesh: I also do Python programming for work, and we're using Python 3.8 since less than two weeks after the initial release :D | 23:07 |
Timvde | Having a modern and healthy codebase is really nice | 23:08 |
dunnp | git add, git commit, git push | 23:08 |
python476 | Timvde: bragger ! | 23:08 |
slash_ | LjL this is the first time I have ever heard of the Eiffel Forum License | 23:08 |
aradesh | Timvde: we've been trying to get the python 3 version out for ages, it's just other things keep coming up | 23:08 |
Timvde | LjL: Git is *really* worth the effort | 23:08 |
Timvde | Please trust me on this :) | 23:08 |
LjL | slash_, i didn't choose it, it's just Phenny's license, i simply kept it for my modules since it seemed easier than figuring out license compatibility | 23:08 |
python476 | seconds Timvde | 23:09 |
Timvde | aradesh: We did a major architectural overhaul in the past 4 years, so almost all code is new since then | 23:09 |
slash_ | LjL no problem, it seems very similar to MIT license, I just had never heard of it before :P | 23:09 |
Timvde | That helps | 23:09 |
LjL | okay maybe i'll learn git in the several months of quarantine before i die | 23:09 |
LjL | but not tonight | 23:09 |
python476 | git reset --hard earth | 23:09 |
slash_ | I can help you with git LjL if you want :) | 23:10 |
Timvde | Because we also had a major legacy codebase stuck on Python 2 before that | 23:10 |
slash_ | it's fairly easy | 23:10 |
dunnp | me too LjL | 23:10 |
Timvde | +1, I'm also pretty good at git, and according to other people, also good at explaining things | 23:10 |
dunnp | I've got some lecture slides on it | 23:10 |
Timvde | I've given a handful of git workshops already | 23:10 |
aradesh | night all | 23:10 |
LjL | slash_, the thing is, it's pointless to just put this one module on git. it's a very simple page of code. the whole bot, on the other hand, is a mess, which should definitely be overhauled, made compatible with python 3, and all that, at which point i guess it would also make sense to have it on git somewhere | 23:11 |
Timvde | Including one advanced one, that was fun :D | 23:11 |
LjL | honestly i do believe that right now if i can't find a simple error in this one page of code and one of you can, it's much simpler to point it out in a pastebin | 23:11 |
Timvde | LjL: If it's code and you're going to make changes, it's useful to put it in git | 23:11 |
LjL | if i showed you the earthquake-related code, on the other hand... | 23:11 |
dunnp | how about tinwhiskers' code for scraping? | 23:11 |
LjL | he said it's not open source and he doesn't intend to make it | 23:12 |
dunnp | woudl be interesting to show trajectories | 23:12 |
dunnp | hmm | 23:12 |
twomoon | timvde: git protocol seems very difficult to me after my first tutorial | 23:14 |
twomoon | i just don't quite git it | 23:14 |
LjL | badumtssh | 23:14 |
slash_ | LjL well you could put the bot code on github? others can help! But do not feel obligated, it is your property (until you share it as open source :p) | 23:14 |
Timvde | twomoon: The interface isn't really user-friendly if you don't know how it works under the hood | 23:15 |
Timvde | But as soon as you get a feeling for that, it's nice, clean and easy | 23:15 |
twomoon | lol | 23:15 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 22:07 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: 99 new cases were just announced in Washington State, USA, making it the largest increase in North America at any one time → https://is.gd/HZYwYC | 23:15 |
Timvde | twomoon: In my git workshops, I always explained why things are as they are | 23:15 |
Timvde | It really helps | 23:15 |
CatButtes[m] | Git is very much a tech tool written by techies for techies. You have to understand quite a bit before it really starts to make sense | 23:16 |
CatButtes[m] | but you can get going with basic commands pretty easily | 23:16 |
LjL | until something goes wrong and then you have no idea how to get out of it | 23:16 |
Timvde | Yea, you can totally just use a cheat-sheet and be okay 99% of the time | 23:16 |
slash_ | git was written by Linus Torvalds because of his hatred of other source control system for himself | 23:16 |
LjL | and you start following tutorials that make it worse if you don't know how it works inside like Timvde said | 23:16 |
slash_ | not for other techies | 23:16 |
Timvde | LjL: that's what the git.txt file is for :) https://xkcd.com/1597/ | 23:17 |
python476 | twomoon: why did you need to know the protocol ? | 23:17 |
LjL | Timvde, okay, then i'll make the bot include your phone number with its source pastebin! :P | 23:18 |
Timvde | python476: not the protocol, but you really need to understand that git is an ADG of commits, which each by themselves represent the entirety of the repository and not the diffs (which is what most people think) | 23:18 |
Timvde | And what the staging area is and how to manipulate it | 23:18 |
twomoon | python476, i just wanna change careers | 23:18 |
Timvde | If you understand those two things, everything makes more sense | 23:19 |
twomoon | from electrical engineering hardware crap to python coding | 23:19 |
LjL | well you've already lost me | 23:19 |
twomoon | or web coding | 23:19 |
twomoon | what's an ADG? | 23:19 |
slash_ | Timvde git is for source control, you really not need to use all that much to start using it | 23:19 |
Timvde | Oh, and that rebase is not a weird command, but just an interface over git reset, git cherry-pick and git commit --amend :) | 23:19 |
Timvde | slash_: Sure, if you're okay with "I know these few commands and that works for me" | 23:20 |
Timvde | But then it'll keep being unintuitive | 23:20 |
python476 | twomoon: I though EE was amazing | 23:20 |
Timvde | twomoon: acyclic, directed graph | 23:20 |
python476 | Timvde: yeah it's true that learning git top-bottom is weird | 23:20 |
twomoon | that's too far under-the-hood bro | 23:20 |
python476 | bottom-up yields clearer view and faster results | 23:20 |
Timvde | python476: It really depends on how much you use git | 23:20 |
python476 | also | 23:21 |
twomoon | that's more like underneath the car | 23:21 |
python476 | but any serious use.. | 23:21 |
Timvde | if you use it every now and then to just commit and push on your own projects, sure, do whatever | 23:21 |
twomoon | yeah EE is fun for hobby but not as a job anymore. doesn't pay very well lots of jobs are going overseas | 23:21 |
slash_ | Timvde Well yes? that's how you begin? You do not start using git by knowing everything that is possible. That is absurd | 23:21 |
python476 | twomoon: it's just a network with no cycle | 23:21 |
Timvde | If you use it every day, you should definitely learn it | 23:21 |
python476 | twomoon: think like circuit.. well the opposite :D | 23:21 |
python476 | twomoon: super sad about EE, I think it's a great discipline | 23:21 |
Timvde | twomoon: Well, I must say that's comming from a CS graduate, if you say ADG to me, I'm like "oh yea, that's clear" | 23:22 |
slash_ | Timvde you start using it as a simple source control, then you learn branches, then syncs/pull requests, etc | 23:22 |
python476 | I learned a few things about code structure on circuits | 23:22 |
Timvde | But in less techy words: each commit has a link to its parent(s) | 23:22 |
Timvde | slash_: "syncs"? | 23:22 |
python476 | Timvde: #pedantism: usually it's DAG | 23:22 |
Timvde | That's not a git thing | 23:22 |
twomoon | i'd rather say 'state machine that never returns to a prior state' than saying ADG | 23:23 |
Timvde | python476: Right, I'm not a native English speaker, sorry | 23:23 |
python476 | twomoon: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.stack.imgur.com%2FcJd3i.png&f=1&nofb=1 | 23:23 |
python476 | Timvde: oh so DAG is the yankee variant ? | 23:23 |
python476 | nevermind, I misread you | 23:23 |
slash_ | Timvde sync is just a merge, but some git software uses sync instead of merge when merging master => stage for ex | 23:24 |
Timvde | English is technically my third language language even (or fourth, I got Latin in class before I got English :P) | 23:24 |
python476 | twomoon: well graphs are more general than statemachines that's why its used | 23:24 |
twomoon | oh really | 23:24 |
Timvde | But in fluency it's definitely my second | 23:24 |
Timvde | Because well, internet | 23:24 |
twomoon | i never learned about graphs in school =/ | 23:24 |
Timvde | Hmm, calling it a state machine sounds weird to me | 23:25 |
twomoon | yeah it's stupid | 23:25 |
twomoon | i was just looking for the closest thing i had studied before | 23:26 |
Timvde | Because well, a staet machine defines a language | 23:26 |
twomoon | state machines usually have a finite # of states so bad example | 23:26 |
python476 | twomoon: if you studied complex circuits and topology.. it's the same with different terminology | 23:26 |
python476 | at least at the git level | 23:26 |
twomoon | state machines don't really define language, that's a stretch | 23:26 |
twomoon | i don't know where you're going with this but now we're under the car not under the hood | 23:26 |
Timvde | twomoon: State machines have _by definition_ a finite number of states | 23:26 |
twomoon | right | 23:26 |
twomoon | that's what i just said | 23:26 |
Timvde | twomoon: a theoretical language | 23:27 |
twomoon | although in theory you could have a state machine that constantly adds new states to itself | 23:27 |
python476 | twomoon: there's nothing more we can discuss to help you more than reading scott chacon - pro git book | 23:27 |
python476 | maybe 'git inside out' | 23:27 |
twomoon | yes ok i just need to have more patience | 23:27 |
python476 | yeah | 23:27 |
twomoon | CS related stuff really tests my patience for some reason | 23:27 |
Timvde | twomoon: That wouldn't be a state machine | 23:27 |
twomoon | it wouldn't? | 23:27 |
python476 | funny I never thought about self modifying state machines | 23:28 |
twomoon | so a language can't evolve and add new vocabulary ? | 23:28 |
Timvde | Not in the theoretical definition, no | 23:28 |
slash_ | then it becomes another language | 23:28 |
slash_ | or a version of it | 23:29 |
python476 | I guess a language is defined by a known in advance alphabet and rules | 23:29 |
python476 | in the old school grammar sense | 23:29 |
slash_ | why are we now discussing computer science stuff lol? | 23:29 |
python476 | now advanced linguistics probably have models for growing languages | 23:29 |
python476 | slash_: because anxious nerds are everywhere | 23:30 |
Timvde | slash_: Because it's interesting? :D | 23:30 |
Timvde | And because LjL has to start using git | 23:30 |
Timvde | or somethign | 23:30 |
Timvde | :P | 23:30 |
slash_ | we where talking about git, it is not that complex | 23:30 |
slash_ | haha | 23:30 |
python476 | slash_: I'm on a medical chan and once every hour, CS pops up | 23:30 |
Timvde | This is IRC, it's pretty much unavoidable | 23:31 |
twomoon | was ljl scared of git? | 23:31 |
Timvde | The majority of people here are IT people | 23:31 |
slash_ | Timvde yes, that is true | 23:31 |
LjL | well, at least, it's symmetrical: anywhere else you go, you'll probably hear about COVID-19 | 23:31 |
Timvde | Yea, at my IT job, people talk about it all the time! | 23:32 |
slash_ | the #reddit-sysadmin channel often devolves into coronavirus talk | 23:32 |
Timvde | Although they don't call it COVID-19 | 23:32 |
slash_ | so I guess it is only fair that we talk about CS here | 23:32 |
twomoon | lol ljl you're right. i can't get away from covid now | 23:32 |
python476 | slash_: so every irc chan is basically ###off-topic underneath | 23:33 |
slash_ | python476 nothing is offtopic if the mods are asleep! | 23:33 |
LjL | i mean, i'd rather this channel be roughly on topic, but in flexible times, i need to be flexible too | 23:33 |
LjL | if i start arguing with people and then banning them i get too uppity anyway, which is bad for the immune system :P | 23:33 |
python476 | truth | 23:33 |
twomoon | wow ljl 4 best admin of the decade! | 23:34 |
slash_ | agreed | 23:34 |
Timvde | Now I wonder if there's a channel about theoretical CS | 23:34 |
Timvde | I miss it | 23:34 |
slash_ | I enjoy it when the topics are a bit fluid :) | 23:34 |
keithn | is it true you can catch covid-19 through irc | 23:34 |
slash_ | in fact | 23:34 |
LjL | keithn, no, but you can die from it | 23:34 |
slash_ | it is mandatory | 23:34 |
LjL | if you let the panic take over | 23:34 |
slash_ | LjL developed a bot that will seek you out and infect you | 23:35 |
LjL | as i ruminate tonight's new ordnance in my head... i still don't like it | 23:35 |
LjL | you have to stop public transport, you have to stop most people's jobs, you can't just close pubs and make stuff harder to buy and think that solves it | 23:36 |
exoteric | which country? | 23:36 |
Timvde | I just saw that my work sent new guidelines, let's read them when I get home | 23:36 |
LjL | that wasn't what the governor of Lombardy was wanting, it's a pretty silly compromise | 23:36 |
LjL | exoteric, Italy | 23:36 |
Timvde | I hope they don't cancel the party on Friday :( | 23:36 |
slash_ | LjL yeah I really wonder how Italy will react to this... | 23:36 |
RougeR | LjL, hey | 23:36 |
slash_ | LjL this are very severe restrictions | 23:37 |
jcay | no time for parties now | 23:37 |
LjL | but not severe enough | 23:37 |
LjL | look at the graph | 23:37 |
jcay | graph is alagging at elast 5 days, that's the prob | 23:37 |
slash_ | but what more can Italy do? | 23:37 |
slash_ | martial law? | 23:37 |
jcay | but I do agree on trasnaport and stuff | 23:37 |
RougeR | LjL, work from home and social distancing and no large events | 23:37 |
LjL | i know effects can't be instantaneous, but if you just think what the graph will be in 5 days... either they START working in 5 days, or we're pretty much all... maybe not dead, but in a reall really bad place | 23:37 |
RougeR | and transportr yeah | 23:37 |
slash_ | it's not feasible to control so many people... | 23:38 |
RougeR | eh it is | 23:38 |
LjL | slash_, it can do what it's doing, except go further | 23:38 |
RougeR | its not easy | 23:38 |
LjL | slash_, and we don't need martial law to deploy the army as police forces | 23:38 |
keithn | are people gonna self quarantine when they believe thousands of undiagnosed people are out and about anyway | 23:38 |
LjL | it's already being done | 23:38 |
LjL | just very blandly | 23:38 |
RougeR | the government needs to guarentee pay for workers too | 23:38 |
gareppa[m] | italy has takev very sever restrictions. what do you think is bland? | 23:38 |
LjL | the government needs to guarantee that the workers stay alive to be there to get paid | 23:38 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 22:37 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Kuwait closes airport due to coronavirus | Fortune → https://is.gd/eYcpkd | 23:39 |
RougeR | i mean italy did fuck itself | 23:39 |
Timvde | RougeR: but that's socialism! #America | 23:39 |
LjL | gareppa[m], because i live here and i saw the city is still full of people and i saw full buses | 23:39 |
LjL | how exactly is a full bus stopping the spread of this? | 23:39 |
RougeR | italy is just UK in 2 weeks and France in 1 week | 23:39 |
slash_ | RougeR no the fucking happened in Wuhan with a bat | 23:39 |
jcay | LjL: people must be crazy | 23:39 |
RougeR | LjL, i agree | 23:39 |
gareppa[m] | i'm italian too. they should enforce the minimum distance on buses too | 23:39 |
RougeR | slash_, huehue | 23:39 |
LjL | jcay, no, people must be going to work or they get fired | 23:40 |
RougeR | gareppa[m], public transport should be stopped | 23:40 |
LjL | UNLESS the government says they just can't | 23:40 |
slash_ | RougeR alwasys use a rubber when going down on bats! | 23:40 |
LjL | THAT would be safeguarding their job, their pay, and ultimately their life | 23:40 |
RougeR | infection can happen between 2 different floors on a bus | 23:40 |
twomoon | ljl: ordinance | 23:40 |
jcay | LjL: don't comanies realize they need to protect workers? | 23:40 |
RougeR | LjL, jersey got its first case lol | 23:40 |
LjL | gareppa[m], who enforces that on buses? two cops on every bus, saying "no, you can't board, it's full"? i mean... sure, let's go ahead and do it | 23:40 |
LjL | or maybe just stop all buses, since i can't see the above happening | 23:41 |
gareppa[m] | that chinese study on scmp has been retracted | 23:41 |
LjL | oh whew, it has been retracted, so now we know we can't catch the virus, that's a relief | 23:41 |
gareppa[m] | no, the one about the huge distance, this | 23:41 |
gareppa[m] | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay | 23:41 |
Birosso | #cases Denmark | 23:42 |
Birosso | %ases Denmark | 23:42 |
Birosso | I hate my life. | 23:42 |
jcay | !cases Denmark | 23:42 |
jcay | huh | 23:42 |
python476 | %cases Denmark | 23:42 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +491 cases (now 227727), +3 deaths (now 8248), +286 recoveries (now 132035) 🔶 Washington, US: +85 cases (now 366), +5 deaths (now 29) 🔶 Europe, France: +497 cases (now 2281), +15 deaths (now 48) 🔶 Diamond Princess, Cruise Ship: +1 deaths (now 7), +285 recoveries (now 325) 🔶 Cruise Ship: +1 deaths (now 7), +285 recoveries (now 325) 🔸 Australia: +1 cases (now 128) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +1 | 23:42 |
jcay | here | 23:42 |
python476 | 8) | 23:42 |
LjL | gareppa[m], i know which one you mean, i just don't think it being retracted means much | 23:42 |
RougeR | gareppa[m], hmmmm weird | 23:42 |
Brainstorm | python476: In all areas, Denmark, there are 514 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 23:25:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 23:42 |
jcay | Denmark is pretty bad | 23:43 |
keithn | /notice is bad | 23:43 |
LjL | i still see good reasons to assume the virus is airborne, and even if it's not, i still see plain data showing how damned easily it spreads - one way or another | 23:43 |
RougeR | denmark at leastr has different healthcare | 23:43 |
RougeR | decent | 23:43 |
LjL | and by now we're being told "wash your hands" twelve times a day, and the graph's still not changing | 23:43 |
keithn | doesnt matter if they dont have the capacity | 23:43 |
slash_ | northern Italy has good healthcare | 23:43 |
RougeR | i got sent this from Uber just | 23:43 |
RougeR | https://i.imgur.com/ipacI94.png | 23:43 |
slash_ | it is not enough | 23:43 |
jcay | LjL: how many people actually wash their hands, what do you think? | 23:44 |
RougeR | keithn, no but it gives them more capacity | 23:44 |
jcay | and again... the graph is lagging 5 days... so can't judge yet | 23:44 |
keithn | is that really true? | 23:44 |
RougeR | lol paris hospital overwhelmed with 100 cases | 23:44 |
twomoon | ljl it doesn't take a genius to see that it's airborne | 23:44 |
RougeR | pretty stark stuff | 23:44 |
LjL | jcay, i don't know, but it's irrelevant: once you've told them 12 times a day for many days, if they still aren't doing it, then that's clearly a behavior you're not changing | 23:44 |
twomoon | stop making it seem like a leap of faith to believe that | 23:44 |
RougeR | i forced my dad to do it (hand washing) | 23:44 |
RougeR | i finally got some alcohol antiseptic gel too | 23:45 |
slash_ | more countries in the EU are going to have to do triage soon, determine which patients can be helped, and who cannot be helped | 23:45 |
RougeR | 5 x 100ml | 23:45 |
LjL | twomoon, well apparently it takes many people dying to convince many italians (and others) that it is. or a well-made study, i guess. should only take about, i dunno, six months? | 23:45 |
jcay | RougeR: good, since not only corona is deadly and health risky anyway | 23:45 |
twomoon | the only question is, is it airborne via mucous membrane or airborne directly from sweat or skin shedding | 23:45 |
Birosso | "Denmark at least has decent healthcare" | 23:45 |
slash_ | we are looking at war scenario's for healthcare right now | 23:45 |
Birosso | I assume you all heard Denmark is shutting down? | 23:45 |
Birosso | They are literally displaying on TV, "DENMARK IS SHUTTING DOWN." | 23:46 |
LjL | Birosso, uh? | 23:46 |
slash_ | Birosso really? | 23:46 |
keithn | something is rotten in the state of denmark | 23:46 |
Birosso | One sec. | 23:46 |
RougeR | LjL, lol in UK we are still havinf huge gatherings | 23:46 |
Birosso | Yahoo has the story. | 23:46 |
RougeR | we have cheltenham festival happening right now | 23:46 |
RougeR | 250,000 people | 23:46 |
Birosso | Reddit has comments from the Danes. | 23:46 |
LjL | Birosso, i see they're closing schools | 23:46 |
Birosso | https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/fh3bcj/denmark_partially_shuts_down_for_at_least_two/ | 23:46 |
jcay | what's wrong with UK, RougeR | 23:46 |
Birosso | LjL | 23:46 |
Birosso | Check comments. | 23:46 |
RougeR | jcay, we have the tories | 23:46 |
RougeR | they are scum | 23:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:42 UTC: Amazon and Gates Foundation may team up to deliver coronavirus test kits to Seattle homes: Amazon Care has offered Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation its assistance with a project that aims to provide kits to Seattle residents who suspect they have symptoms of the COVID-19 coronavirus. → https://is.gd/eSuoX7 | 23:46 |
RougeR | literal human scum | 23:46 |
Birosso | "Law from next week will make all assembled above 100 illegal. | 23:47 |
Birosso | All employers is asked to send home All employees. | 23:47 |
Birosso | All non-critical treatments at hospital will be cancelled and All visiting hours Will be closed." | 23:47 |
Birosso | "Headline on national TV is 'DENMARK IS SHUTTING DOWN' | 23:47 |
Birosso | They might add health checks at the boarders of denmark, testing everyone." | 23:47 |
RougeR | they reckon seattle has 1000 cases alone! | 23:47 |
twomoon | denmark shutting down? | 23:47 |
LjL | "As a Dane - This is unreal. This has never happened before in our history. Monday we had 30 cases, tonight it's 514." ← as an italian, this is unreal, thinking they are surprised at this happening after seeing it happen in italy | 23:47 |
Birosso | Yes. | 23:47 |
twomoon | wtf since when was denmark slated to be next in line after italy? | 23:47 |
RougeR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzXQ6Bu9JVI | 23:47 |
slash_ | we have almost as many cases as Denmark... and similar population. why are we not doing anything | 23:47 |
Birosso | According to comments on Reddit, they are calling in retired health care professionals to boost the health system's capacity. | 23:48 |
RougeR | should all be watching Dr.John Campbell | 23:48 |
RougeR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzXQ6Bu9JVI | 23:48 |
Timvde | In France, apparently thousands of people came together dressed up like Smurfs to break the record of gathering the most people dressed up like Smurfs | 23:48 |
twomoon | Birosso are u Dane? | 23:48 |
slash_ | I watch Dr. Campbell daily | 23:48 |
keithn | based france | 23:48 |
RougeR | ey | 23:48 |
Birosso | twomoon: Like I said, these are comments from Danish people on Reddit. | 23:48 |
slash_ | he is a good resource | 23:48 |
RougeR | yeah i agree | 23:48 |
twomoon | Birosso where u at? | 23:48 |
Birosso | Germany. | 23:48 |
twomoon | Dane Lite | 23:48 |
Birosso | Not German, though. | 23:48 |
RougeR | tbh is cross border travel that bad? | 23:48 |
Birosso | Far from either. :) | 23:48 |
RougeR | if you isolate within | 23:49 |
LjL | Birosso, but, "In addition, all employees in the public sector with non-critical jobs are to be sent home" is quite a qualification | 23:49 |
twomoon | you mean exception | 23:49 |
RougeR | LjL, how much is SSP in italy> | 23:49 |
twomoon | qualification sounds odd there | 23:49 |
LjL | RougeR, what is SSP | 23:49 |
LjL | twomoon, well maybe it does, but no i meant https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/qualification #4 | 23:50 |
twomoon | social security payment | 23:50 |
RougeR | sick pay | 23:50 |
RougeR | statuatory | 23:50 |
LjL | sick pay is 100% the first time you get sick, then at some point progressively goes down if you get sick more times during the year | 23:51 |
RougeR | no i mean | 23:51 |
RougeR | how much is it | 23:51 |
LjL | 100% of your wage | 23:51 |
RougeR | is it? | 23:51 |
RougeR | source? | 23:51 |
pwr22 | In the UK it's very little | 23:52 |
LjL | the hell do i know? i know it from memory. part of it is paid by INPS, part by your employer, i don't know how much each | 23:52 |
RougeR | https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1116&langId=en&intPageId=4620 | 23:52 |
Timvde | Yea, here it is 100% too | 23:52 |
Timvde | At least for a month, paid by your employer | 23:52 |
slash_ | well, worldometers is down | 23:52 |
pwr22 | I missed the git and merkle dag chat 😭 | 23:52 |
RougeR | Timvde, is that statuatory yeah> | 23:52 |
Timvde | Then you get social security and I'm not sure how much it is | 23:52 |
python476 | dagela merkle | 23:52 |
Timvde | Yes | 23:52 |
RougeR | Between the 4th and 20th day of illness, the statutory sick pay amount is, generally, equal to 50% of average daily pay, moving to 66% between the 21st and 180th day. Entitlement to this benefit ends at the end of the prognosis (end of illness) and, therefore, you are entitled to a maximum of 180 days per calendar year. | 23:53 |
RougeR | so LjL you need to understand that is NOT the case in the UK | 23:53 |
darsie | Why didn't extracorporeal membrane oxygenation save Li Wenliang? Could it save Trump? | 23:53 |
LjL | what's Trump to do with anything now? | 23:53 |
darsie | He might get/have cv. | 23:54 |
darsie | And efforts would be made to save him. | 23:54 |
romare | is there a source where I can see the ages of the people who died in italy? | 23:54 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 22:52 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Coronavirus: Japan says postponing Tokyo Olympic Games is 'inconceivable' | Stuff.co.nz → https://is.gd/TLZe30 | 23:54 |
LjL | romare, yes, although it's not quite up to date. it's in the topic | 23:54 |
LjL | romare, look for the ISS link(s) | 23:54 |
pwr22 | <Brainstorm "New from r/WorldNews Live at 22:"> Well that's a stupid thing to say | 23:55 |
RougeR | LjL, in the UK it is £20 a day | 23:55 |
darsie | What's ISS? | 23:55 |
RougeR | for sick pay | 23:55 |
RougeR | LOL | 23:55 |
Birosso | Sick pay in Germany is 100%. | 23:55 |
RougeR | this is why we cant just cancel work | 23:55 |
LjL | RougeR, that sounds... useful | 23:55 |
RougeR | LjL, SOOOO USEFUL | 23:55 |
Timvde | Okay, so, apparently it's 60% up to one year | 23:55 |
RougeR | you used to have to wait 3 days before it kicked in too | 23:55 |
RougeR | now its instant | 23:55 |
RougeR | oh great £60 a mointh | 23:55 |
RougeR | SSP doesnt cover rent for most | 23:56 |
slash_ | 60? | 23:56 |
slash_ | what | 23:56 |
LjL | RougeR, well, or, you could make emergency laws that change that. i mean, our government pulled €25 billion out of thin air to face this. will we *dearly* have to pay for them later? yeah, afraid so, but meanwhile i think i'd rather people not die | 23:56 |
RougeR | £60 | 23:56 |
RougeR | LjL, they just did | 23:56 |
RougeR | this is the improved laws | 23:56 |
twomoon | ljl go relax somewhere you seem on edge | 23:56 |
RougeR | this was in the budget today | 23:56 |
slash_ | really? it's 100% of wage here, at least for the first year or seo | 23:56 |
RougeR | our government are shite | 23:56 |
RougeR | a lot of companies voluntarily pay more | 23:56 |
LjL | RougeR, i can agree on that | 23:56 |
Timvde | slash_: If I'm reading it right | 23:56 |
RougeR | but a lot dont | 23:56 |
RougeR | slash_, yes really | 23:57 |
RougeR | https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay | 23:57 |
slash_ | RougeR jesus, what the fuck | 23:57 |
ubLIX | didn't you listen to the budget, RougeR? out government is the Peoples' Government! | 23:57 |
ubLIX | *our | 23:57 |
RougeR | ubLIX, hahahaha | 23:57 |
ubLIX | ^.^ | 23:57 |
Birosso | I like the way things work in Germany. They give you 100% of sick pay, but they also foster solidarity and team spirit in the work place, so you would feel guilty if you abused the system. | 23:57 |
RougeR | my mother kept trying to tell me well at least its an improvement | 23:57 |
LjL | ubLIX, People's Republic of the United Kingdom? | 23:57 |
RougeR | and ohhhh if you give people too much theyll just not work | 23:57 |
ubLIX | something like that, LjL | 23:57 |
RougeR | shes a dumbass sometimes... | 23:57 |
Birosso | Of course now that's changing with a lot of places adopting, uh, foreign practices, increasing responsibility and reducing number of employees. | 23:58 |
slash_ | RougeR 94.25 per week!? that's insanely low | 23:58 |
RougeR | slash_, its like 2nd or 3rd lowest in europe | 23:58 |
RougeR | the tories have fucked us | 23:58 |
ubLIX | RougeR: tell her the whole point of UBI is that we can afford it and if it people decide to use it to not work then that is just fine | 23:58 |
RougeR | haha UBI | 23:58 |
RougeR | oh boy | 23:58 |
RougeR | she doesnt get UBI | 23:58 |
slash_ | RougeR yeah but those lowest in Europe probably have like 400 median monthly wage... | 23:58 |
Birosso | Okay, tough question time: Why is the UK so terrible compared to its neighbours? | 23:58 |
ubLIX | the robots can pick up the slack. or something | 23:58 |
RougeR | Birosso, tories | 23:58 |
RougeR | 10 years of tories | 23:59 |
RougeR | and we just voted them back in | 23:59 |
Timvde | RougeR: Yea, you're screwed | 23:59 |
Birosso | So elites hoarding everything for themselves, that kind of thing? | 23:59 |
figuinhas | guys | 23:59 |
Timvde | I just don't understand how that could've happened | 23:59 |
RougeR | Birosso, yes | 23:59 |
Birosso | Got it. | 23:59 |
darsie | How successful is extracorporeal membrane oxygenation with covid-19? | 23:59 |
RougeR | and cutting all public sector and health care to the bone | 23:59 |
RougeR | and lying and controlling media | 23:59 |
figuinhas | when was the last change in case definition for surveillance? | 23:59 |
keithn | some people just cannot see past politics in everything lol | 23:59 |
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