| Timvde | dunnp: I was only listening, damn | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Timvde | He is basically saying that the cure is worse than the problem | 00:01 |
| LjL | davidmpye[m], can i have a PM with you? (or whatever it's called on Matrix, direct messages) | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:56 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Coronavirus: Italy approves use of drones to monitor social distancing — from WHO at 22:56: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/1zTHp2 | 00:04 |
| LjL | drones O.O | 00:04 |
| LjL | are we going from fake-lockdown to harsher-than-china-lockdown now | 00:05 |
| LjL | that would be quite unitalian... doing things for real | 00:05 |
| Biep[m] | That is the difference with Germans. Befehl ist Befehl, Ordnung muß sein, and so on.. | 00:08 |
| ryouma | where is japan in all this. are they doing better than expected, worse, etc. | 00:08 |
| Biep[m] | !cases Japan | 00:08 |
| CovBot | In Japan there have been a total of 1,128 cases as of 2020-03-23 22:12:57 UTC. Of these 851 (75.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 235 (20.8%) have definitely recovered and 42 (3.7%) have died. | 00:08 |
| python476 | I see US have made military style hospitals | 00:09 |
| python476 | good | 00:09 |
| cd32fan | Any conspiracy teories? | 00:09 |
| dunnp | trump is in denial | 00:09 |
| Albright | python476: Where are you seeing that? | 00:09 |
| Albright | cd32fan: Yes, there are many, of course. For example, that the virus was created as a Chinese bioweapon that accidentally escaped the lab. | 00:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:04 UTC: A-League postponed as Australian sport grinds to a halt due to Covid-19: Football Federation Australia will review decision on 22 April Football follows rugby league and Australian rules The A-League season has been postponed, bringing all top-level sport in Australia to a halt as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/r1wlE7 | 00:10 |
| python476 | Albright: tweets | 00:10 |
| cheetah2 | !cases usa | 00:10 |
| cd32fan | "accidentally" | 00:10 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 43,449 cases as of 2020-03-23 23:03:00 UTC. Of these 42,609 (98.1%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 295 (0.7%) have definitely recovered and 545 (1.3%) have died. | 00:10 |
| cheetah2 | !cases china | 00:10 |
| CovBot | In China there have been a total of 81,496 cases as of 2020-02-23 11:19:02 UTC. Of these 5,403 (6.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 72,819 (89.4%) have definitely recovered and 3,274 (4.0%) have died. | 00:10 |
| Biep[m] | <cd32fan "Any conspiracy teories?"> Check out [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_related_to_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic). | 00:11 |
| python476 | Albright: see https://twitter.com/Franklin_Graham/status/1242217137193746432 | 00:11 |
| python476 | Even though this is .. Italy. | 00:11 |
| LjL | is the guy on the left (right) of Trump falling asleep | 00:12 |
| Timvde | LjL: Barr? | 00:12 |
| LjL | Timvde, i don't know people, the one with the round fae | 00:12 |
| LjL | face | 00:12 |
| Timvde | LjL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Barr | 00:13 |
| LjL | python476, our makeshift hospitals are the best American hospitals | 00:13 |
| Timvde | I see why you think that, yes :P | 00:13 |
| Timvde | He's probably just bored ;) | 00:13 |
| Timvde | Up to you whether that's better or worse | 00:13 |
| LjL | and the lady looks worried as hell | 00:14 |
| LjL | with a forced smile | 00:14 |
| Timvde | She's a doctor, if I understand correctly | 00:15 |
| Timvde | Trump is saying that they're going to be closed down for weeks, not months, because it would be too bad for the economy | 00:15 |
| LjL | that's a good enough reason to be worried | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:12 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Andrew Cesare su Twitter: "Gangs in the Rio de Janeiro favelas have enforced a lockdown from 8pm tonight. The statement reads: "If the government won't do the right thing, organised crime will"… https://t.co/tqcHkBp8l5" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Orp7sr | 00:16 |
| Timvde | lol | 00:18 |
| LjL | > "If someone comes and explains to me that giving up jogging if you're not safe is a dramatic problem, I'll take them with me to see the hospital wards," said Stefano Bonaccini, president of Emilia Romagna region. | 00:19 |
| LjL | i totally understand and agree lockdown measures need to be seriously enforced, but i also think since this is not (no matter whatever Trump says) going to be a matter of weeks, but of months *at best* | 00:19 |
| LjL | people's mental health is also going to be affected if they cannot just... see the sun a bit at least, move around a bit | 00:20 |
| LjL | this doesn't diminish the tragedy of what's happening in the hospitals | 00:20 |
| python476 | maybe we should propose a moving gym club | 00:20 |
| oriba | Maybe Corona can be nuked away? Hmhhh, Mr. President, what do you think of this? | 00:20 |
| LjL | but i think mental health is just as important and it's a bad attitude to just discount it completely and say "if you think that's a problem, look at the wards" | 00:20 |
| python476 | a semi truck going in streets | 00:20 |
| LjL | solutions should be proposed instead | 00:21 |
| python476 | one guy can get in with mask and gloves | 00:21 |
| python476 | use a treadmill or indoor bike | 00:21 |
| python476 | 1-2h | 00:21 |
| LjL | yes, solutions, except not the python476 kind of solutions | 00:21 |
| python476 | LjL: ah come on | 00:21 |
| python476 | dont shit on the messenger | 00:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:20 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Twitter user here is a producer for the BBC — from WHO at 23:20: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/HcknBX | 00:22 |
| python476 | this chan is too welcoming for my tastes | 00:22 |
| eaxomar_ | lol | 00:22 |
| LjL | was weird that had not been a channel split yet despite threats | 00:22 |
| eaxomar_ | holy shit that's good | 00:22 |
| LjL | there* | 00:23 |
| oriba | ...as long as they can cough, they're not really sick... go home, nothing we can do for you... dissembler | 00:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:20 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK goes into lockdown as WHO warns global spread of virus is accelerating: UK lockdown – live updates How UK lockdown compares with other countries US coronavirus live updates Australia coronavirus live updates See all of our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bEuiim | 00:28 |
| LjL | now he's being Trump | 00:28 |
| LjL | repeats the same thing ten times, yes we got which people you mean | 00:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:31 UTC: /u/slakmehl: New normalized trajectories from the Financial Times illustrate how western hotspots compare to Wuhan. — from WHO at 23:31: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/i1Pyk3 | 00:34 |
| ryouma | is japan more optimistic than many countries? | 00:38 |
| LjL | culturally? i don't know... but they have seemed to keep this under more control than many, for now, although the trend is still worrying | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:33 UTC: Coronavirus updates Australia: Tasmania says it will turn away non-residents as 149 new cases confirmed in NSW – live: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest updates, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 00:40 |
| LjL | Spain's case graph looks a bit jerky | 00:42 |
| AimHere | One possibility is that it's just timing errors in data collection. One region gets the figures in late one day, so it's added to the next day's figures | 00:46 |
| Quarantini[m] | ryouma: from my experience they're more realistic | 00:46 |
| Quarantini[m] | They're not optimistic but not pessimistic either | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:43 UTC: New York coronavirus cases surge 38% overnight to 20,875: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo estimates that up to 80% of the state's more than 19.4 million residents will get the coronavirus. — from WHO at 23:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/sPQKzL | 00:46 |
| LjL | AimHere, yeah, Spain's autonomous communities are even more temperamental than Italy's regions when it comes to dealing with the central government | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:46 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Global Health Strategies su Twitter: "Countries w/ most confirmed #COVID19 cases as of 23 Mar (via @WHO) and % increase in past week (since 16 Mar): 🇨🇳 81,603 [+1%] 🇮🇹 59,138 [+139%] 🇺🇸 31,573 [+647%] 🇪🇸 28,572 [+269%] 🇩🇪 24,774 [+412%] 🇮🇷 23,049 [+54%] [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ooiWKG | 00:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK goes into lockdown as WHO warns global spread of virus is accelerating: UK lockdown – live updates How UK lockdown compares with other countries US coronavirus live updates Australia coronavirus live updates See all of our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bEuiim | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:09 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Madrid turned the Palacio de Hielo ice rink into a large morgue: tonight it receives the first corpses — from WHO at 00:09: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/Nhwf4V | 01:10 |
| ryouma | release the victimless crimes and those near release, don't allwo visitors, ppe for staff. not enough"? | 01:13 |
| python476 | people are still confused why japan is so low | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus pandemic is accelerating as cases eclipse 350,000, WHO says — from WHO at 00:14: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/EWcQi1 | 01:17 |
| mefistofeles | python476: they aren't testing, apparently :P | 01:17 |
| mefistofeles | but who knows | 01:17 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: oh, and no data because they're all dead | 01:18 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: japan advantages 1) 99% had masks before covid 2) 25% of population never leaves his bedroom 3) job ethics so hard half the people never socialize | 01:20 |
| ryouma | they get lots of exposure at and after work | 01:21 |
| mefistofeles | but they also have a lot ofelderly people, tokyo is one of the highest density cities in the world | 01:21 |
| ryouma | also tokyo has crowded subwasy | 01:21 |
| ryouma | also just in case: japan /= anime | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:19 UTC: New York coronavirus cases surge 38% overnight to 20,875: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo estimates that up to 80% of the state's more than 19.4 million residents will get the coronavirus. — from WHO at 00:19: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/sPQKzL | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +301 cases (now 393002), +4 deaths (now 17082), +24 recoveries (now 102461) 🔸 US: +223 cases (now 43672) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Australia: +170 cases (now 1887) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +3 cases (now 5) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 136) 🔹 Alberta, Canada: +42 cases (now 301) [... want %more?] | 01:23 |
| ryouma | is that from testing? | 01:23 |
| mefistofeles | maybe | 01:23 |
| ryouma | (after work beign part of work) | 01:24 |
| ryouma | (i.e. you ahfe to drink with boss) | 01:24 |
| mefistofeles | or ahve sex with he/she | 01:24 |
| mefistofeles | him/her | 01:24 |
| ryouma | not going to go there | 01:25 |
| mefistofeles | I don'tknow why I said that, tbh... sleep is getting me | 01:25 |
| ryouma | :) | 01:25 |
| ryouma | get some sleep :) | 01:25 |
| DARK_Lord | %data Ukraine | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | DARK_Lord: In all areas, Ukraine, there are 73 cases, 3 deaths (4.1% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 23, 23:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ukraine for time series data. | 01:25 |
| DARK_Lord | why ffa1 only need ro use? how about other items? | 01:27 |
| LjL | python476, i'm confused why japan is so low, i'm confused how exactly korea stopped it and kept the death rate low (but now is going back up), i'm confused how germans are apparently immortal why few exceptions, and i'm particularly confused whether we've delivered god a pizza with bad cheese on it or what to be all dying | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:25 UTC: Coronavirus updates Australia: Tasmania says it will turn away non-residents as 149 new cases confirmed in NSW – live: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest updates, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 01:29 |
| ryouma | DARK_Lord: is ffa1 that mask designation? i thought it was 2 that was equivalent to n95? | 01:29 |
| LjL | a few of these things have partial answers | 01:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, we're told that 2 is minimum acceptable, 3 is better, so i'd also assume 1 isn't equivalent to n95 | 01:29 |
| LjL | but i also suspect they are standards based on different premises, but i wouldn't know | 01:30 |
| LjL | i'd have researched masks more if any had ever been available | 01:30 |
| mefistofeles | I don't see Korea going "back up", fwiw | 01:30 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, mortality is somewhat up at least | 01:31 |
| LjL | %data korea | 01:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Korea, South, there are 8961 cases, 111 deaths (1.2% of cases), 3166 recoveries as of March 23, 23:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Korea,%20South for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 3.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 01:31 |
| LjL | that's not 0.7% anymore i'm reading | 01:31 |
| dunnp | wide-spread testing and tracking of cases in SK | 01:31 |
| dunnp | contact tracking is key | 01:32 |
| LjL | dunnp, well if that gets them the result they got, do we even need lockdowns? | 01:32 |
| dunnp | problem is that you have to know who has it and have only a reasonable number to track | 01:33 |
| dunnp | once you have tens of thousands you can't employ the workforce to track the cases | 01:33 |
| LjL | dunnp, they have almost 9000 though, and it was 7000 when it tapered... at that time, we had just about the same numbers, but we were considering it full-blown and no longer containable | 01:33 |
| LjL | i think it was at around 7000 that we "crossed" | 01:33 |
| LjL | i remember thinking that day, "we're fucked." | 01:34 |
| dunnp | but they were testing a lot more, right? | 01:34 |
| DARK_Lord | sorry! ffp to say | 01:34 |
| LjL | yes, although we're probably the second highest "testers" | 01:34 |
| LjL | but a far second | 01:34 |
| oriba | Heating up: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/we-will-send-police-with-flame-throwers-italian-mayors-lose-it-at-people-refusing-to-self-isolate | 01:34 |
| LjL | dunnp, https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-19-tests-country?country=AUS+AUT+BEL+BRA+COL+FIN+FRA+DEU+ITA+NOR+PAK+RUS+KOR+GBR+USA+VNM+ESP | 01:34 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: death curve is 2-3 weeks behind | 01:35 |
| dunnp | hmm | 01:35 |
| mefistofeles | of course, when you have a flattened curve you automatically will get a higher CFR | 01:35 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, in that case it's a bit misleading that so many people (including Trump earlier tonight) used the 0.7% Korea figure (he was probably not told it had changed) as the most likely actual death rate | 01:35 |
| mefistofeles | up to 2-3 weeks, afaik | 01:35 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, it's probably less | 01:36 |
| AimHere | mefistofeles, the death curve *should* be 2-3 weeks behind. Italy's a case where both the new deaths curve and the new cases curve appear (at first glance) to have peaked on more or less the same day | 01:36 |
| LjL | or quite possibly more imo | 01:36 |
| AimHere | That's probably some issue with the new cases testing | 01:36 |
| mefistofeles | no, not even Korea manages to get all the cases reported, not even half of them | 01:36 |
| AimHere | My guess is that doctors aren't testing people except to admit or relase them from hospital now | 01:37 |
| LjL | but have they waited enough to guarantee that it won't keep going higher than 1.2%? | 01:37 |
| LjL | if Italy turns out to eventually have 1% or less, i'll offer you all a drink | 01:37 |
| LjL | a very small drink given there's 400 people here | 01:37 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: it's on the 2-3 weeks still, so we'll have to see in following days | 01:37 |
| LjL | but maybe most of them won't remember | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +19637 cases (now 412639), +862 deaths (now 17944), +2193 recoveries (now 104654) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Australia: +170 cases (now 1887) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +3 cases (now 5) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 136) 🔹 Alberta, Canada: +42 cases (now 301) [... want %more?] | 01:38 |
| LjL | woah | 01:38 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Italy | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Italy, there are 63927 cases, 6077 deaths (9.5% of cases), 7432 recoveries as of March 24, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 01:38 |
| LjL | %more | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] 🔹 Saskatchewan, Canada: +12 cases (now 66) 🔹 China: +2 cases (now 81498) 🔹 Chongqing, China: +1 cases (now 578) 🔹 Shanxi, China: +1 cases (now 134) 🔹 Denmark: +22 recoveries (now 23) 🔹 Dominica: +1 cases (now 2) 🔹 Honduras: +3 cases (now 30) 🔹 Mexico: +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Niger: +1 cases (now 3) [...] → https://paste.ee/p/JqpYh | 01:38 |
| LjL | the hell is causing that | 01:38 |
| mefistofeles | looks close to 1% for me, tbh | 01:38 |
| mefistofeles | according to the 10x real cases estimate | 01:39 |
| mefistofeles | which is specially troublesome for Italy | 01:39 |
| mefistofeles | since they cannot test efficiently | 01:39 |
| LjL | well then i'll have to pay for drinks | 01:39 |
| LjL | we are testing a whole damned lot | 01:39 |
| LjL | it's not exactly our doctors' fault we have so many cases | 01:39 |
| mefistofeles | you are testing lot, but cases grow faster | 01:40 |
| mefistofeles | so you are just getting behind each day ont esting | 01:40 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, all countries are, but Italy more | 01:40 |
| python476 | hi back | 01:40 |
| python476 | all in all I'm a bit stumped how 2020 tech is moot | 01:40 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, something happened to the data, it gave a random +20000 above, and then, now, the graphs all look to have a "step" | 01:40 |
| python476 | we're still a lot in the fog | 01:40 |
| python476 | it's weird | 01:40 |
| LjL | python476, shut up and fire up a NN already | 01:40 |
| python476 | g'night and be well | 01:40 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: a day passed and it "thinks" there are no reports? | 01:41 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, i think it went down and then unofficially back up (enable non-auth) | 01:41 |
| LjL | and that caused both the bot report, and the seeming step | 01:41 |
| LjL | it's like it dilated things by a day | 01:42 |
| LjL | yesterday's "empty" | 01:42 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah, that's a bit weird. I wonder what JH have done this time. I'll check it out shortly | 01:42 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, also in case you missed it earlier, it *seems* (i hear) they're moving... back... to counties... | 01:43 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, I saw that. | 01:43 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll just have to see how that screws with things and deal with it. | 01:43 |
| LjL | deep breaths | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US stimulus package fails again to pass, China reports 78 new cases — from WHO at 00:42: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 01:47 |
| mefistofeles | uh, small clusters in China? | 01:47 |
| LjL | probably bound to happen | 01:48 |
| ryouma | is there something useful to be done with test kit numbers and population sizes | 01:48 |
| LjL | i hope they are prepared to be on it quick | 01:48 |
| ryouma | programmatically in these ata | 01:48 |
| ryouma | d | 01:48 |
| LjL | intuitively i want to say "yes", but in practice i don't know | 01:48 |
| LjL | it feels like there are inferences to be made but i can't figure them out | 01:48 |
| LjL | i'd be more interested if international data on negatives / total tests were available, and in one place | 01:49 |
| LjL | they're scattered across countries, if available at all | 01:49 |
| LjL | i still have it in mind to add population figures to Brainstorm, but that'd be just to make things proportional to the populations... | 01:49 |
| ryouma | for the next pandemic, i want a better data infrastructure, and better testing plans early, and a whole lot more | 01:50 |
| mefistofeles | testing data is not easy to get | 01:50 |
| ryouma | so they know where to send personnel and stuff | 01:50 |
| mefistofeles | but that may be a task for some program? | 01:50 |
| mefistofeles | get the actual data | 01:50 |
| ryouma | i imagine more can be done without violating privacy | 01:51 |
| mefistofeles | I just hope the next pandemic does wipe humans... | 01:52 |
| mefistofeles | ryouma: depends on what you mean by violating privacy | 01:52 |
| mefistofeles | but, in terms of tracking people, it proved very useful in Singapore, Hong Kong and others | 01:53 |
| ryouma | i am being a bit too handwavey here. but it seems the response is haphazard. | 01:53 |
| mefistofeles | SK as well, afaik | 01:53 |
| Albright | Apparently Diamond Comics Distributors have stopped distribution operations. This effectively kills whatever mom-and-pop comic shops are left in the American market. | 01:53 |
| ryouma | so we don't get superheroes :/ | 01:54 |
| LjL | ryouma, after this pandemic we'll develop powerful and reliable pandemic stopping methods, which will start to have their funds cut and slowly rot just by the time the next pandemic actually ome | 01:54 |
| LjL | comes* | 01:54 |
| LjL | similar to what i seem to be seeing of the pacific tsunami warning system | 01:54 |
| ryouma | even if we ignore the fact that everyplace had forever to prepare, the us has had weeks in advance to do stuff that at least outwardly it has not done, besides blame obama for unspecified regulations that supposedly stopped the response | 01:54 |
| ryouma | LjL: sounds plausible :( | 01:55 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, preparing doesn't mean profit, so it's not relevant in this world, commonly | 01:55 |
| LjL | ryouma, i'm sure they prepared a whole lot of speeches and plans on who should be meeting whom at which table | 01:55 |
| LjL | just like italy, but on a larger scale | 01:55 |
| mefistofeles | also, that's been said for centuries now, Marx anyone? | 01:56 |
| ryouma | i am not twitter enabled but the favelas quote is interesting. | 01:58 |
| ryouma | if they do it right i would not be surprised at all if the public backed them. so govs are clearly not dilatory because of fear of citizens. | 01:59 |
| mefistofeles | ryouma: I don't get it, what quote? | 02:00 |
| ryouma | search scrollback for favelas | 02:00 |
| mefistofeles | ah ok | 02:01 |
| ryouma | "Gangs in the Rio de Janeiro favelas have enforced a lockdown from 8pm tonight. The statement reads: "If the government won't do the right thing, organised crime will" | 02:01 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, something similar has happened in other countries already | 02:01 |
| mefistofeles | mixed with jail riots and prisoners escaping/dying | 02:01 |
| ryouma | i mean, guardian angels in ny is one thing -- no weapons, strict rules from teh beginning -- but actual existing gangs is another | 02:02 |
| ryouma | they'd need to provide food and medicine and transportaiont to haelth care to do it right | 02:03 |
| ryouma | my meaning is govs are dilatory for some reason, but whatefer it is, it is not fear of citizens | 02:04 |
| mefistofeles | acting too soon is also bad, fwiw | 02:04 |
| mefistofeles | can also be bad, I mean | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:55 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Britons placed under lockdown as Trump insists nation will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 02:05 |
| ryouma | (of course i can believe that it takes time to draft laws, and do not mean to pose a supposition on the basis of not recognizign that) | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US stimulus package fails again to pass, China reports 78 new cases — from WHO at 01:08: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 02:11 |
| ryouma | is having to carry id the case in the usa? having been bedrudden and havng my old id stolen, this is a problem if i need to go to e.g. hospital | 02:13 |
| gildarts | You need your ID to drive, or buy some products, but generally not required otherwise. And most states also allow you a grace period to show that you have a license even if driving. | 02:15 |
| ryouma | i am referring to this, which is about to scroll offf my screen: 15:22 <LjL> Spec, you will have to go around with your local DMV / ID | 02:16 |
| ryouma | gildarts: | 02:16 |
| ryouma | idk which country | 02:17 |
| gildarts | Not sure. I believe I joined after that conversation happened. | 02:20 |
| LjL | well that was Trump saying it | 02:21 |
| LjL | so i assumed it wasn't always required before...? | 02:21 |
| LjL | maybe some particular states did require it, though | 02:21 |
| gildarts | I'm not aware of any states that require it unless you are driving, but I've only been in a handful of them. I mean, there are a fair number of people who don't have IDs of any kind, so I'm not sure what they would do. | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +10 cases (now 412649), +6 deaths (now 17950), +340 recoveries (now 104994) 🔸 China: +2 cases (now 81498), +3 deaths (now 3277), +340 recoveries (now 73159) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Australia: +170 cases (now 1887) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +3 cases (now 5) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 136) [... want %more?] | 02:23 |
| pepee | if you wanted to share a ton of info, where would you do it? | 02:27 |
| yuriwho | wiki-leaks ;-) | 02:27 |
| pepee | heh, I mean references to papers about specific stuff | 02:28 |
| pagetelegram | HIV protein found in virus: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2002.03173.pdf | 02:28 |
| pepee | like info on DIY masks | 02:28 |
| pepee | for this coronavirus... | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:24 UTC: (news): Gov. Newsom: California will need an additional 50,000 hospital beds to respond to coronavirus — from WHO at 01:24: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/35tfXx | 02:29 |
| yuriwho | pagetelegram: that paper is debunking the idea oh HIV sequences in the Spike protein | 02:31 |
| yuriwho | s/oh/of | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho meant to say: pagetelegram: that paper is debunking the idea of HIV sequences in the Spike protein | 02:31 |
| yuriwho | please read the stuff you link | 02:31 |
| pepee | you just need to read the title | 02:32 |
| pagetelegram | My friend Padriag talked to one of the researchers. He said they found the protein then looked at sample after initial study published and the protein was gone from the sample | 02:33 |
| pagetelegram | Researcher use to roommate with my friend 10 years. | 02:33 |
| fructose | pagetelegram: You're already established yourself as delusional given your 5G theories. Please stop trying to spread more bullshit. | 02:33 |
| pagetelegram | I do not see it as BS. I have had enough narcs in my life...the last one tried to plant a suicide note in my closet. I found it and exposed his ass. He goes by the name Mix, Jonathan .....there is an artical on his ass in the encycolpeida of dramatica. | 02:37 |
| LjL | perdide[m], depending on how long it is, and how good/relevant it is, i could put in on the page in the topic, or at least link from it, fwiw. | 02:37 |
| LjL | err | 02:37 |
| LjL | pepee | 02:37 |
| pagetelegram | So Fructose, take your astroturfing to some good. | 02:38 |
| fructose | pagetelegram: Yes, you sure showed me how non-delusional you are. | 02:38 |
| gildarts | pagetelegram: You could try pushing your stuff in ##conspiracy ? | 02:39 |
| pagetelegram | gildarts: thank you. | 02:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:39 UTC: CDC says coronavirus survived in Princess Cruise ship cabins for up to 17 days after passengers left: The coronavirus survived for up to 17 days aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, living far longer on surfaces than previous research has shown, according to new data published Monday by the Centers for Disease [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IotzrC | 02:42 |
| pepee | LjL, pm? | 02:44 |
| LjL | pepee, belated, but sure | 02:45 |
| fructose | https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e3.htm?s_cid=mm6912e3_w | 02:45 |
| fructose | Paper behind the above article | 02:45 |
| yn | https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3 | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:40 UTC: Coronavirus updates Australia: Tasmania says it will turn away non-residents as 149 new cases confirmed in NSW – live: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest updates, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 02:48 |
| LjL | %fdroid phyphox | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, phyphox 1.1.5 (de.rwth_aachen.phyphox) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Perform physics experiments with your phone - updated 2020-03-23, see https://phyphox.org/wiki/index.php?title=Version_history | 02:50 |
| LjL | for the geeks among you who are bored during lockdowns | 02:50 |
| LjL | yn, i am... not sure i can directly blame Trump for that, even if his language was inappropriate | 02:51 |
| LjL | i mean, "The wife of an Arizona man who died after ingesting chloroquine phosphate to protect himself from the coronavirus spoke out on Monday to warn the public not to "take anything" or "believe anything" without speaking to a healthcare professional" | 02:51 |
| LjL | they somehow didn't know this before Trump spoke? | 02:51 |
| LjL | how did they even legally GET the drug? | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 01:51 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Orleans Parish in Louisiana has a higher infection rate than any county in the nation outside of New York. — from WHO at 01:51: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/vf72up | 02:54 |
| yuriwho | the presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA on surfaces for extended periods of time does not mean it's infectious, that CDC study above does not make this clear enough | 02:55 |
| Scarecr0w | Is there any safe soap alternative? I've 9 bars of soap left out of 15. Just in case. | 02:56 |
| LjL | yuriwho, but on the other hand, iirc the "3 day" thing was found viable | 02:57 |
| yuriwho | LjL yes, they measured viability of the virus | 02:57 |
| LjL | yuriwho, i'd say 3 days is concerning enough even without getting to 17 days... but, okay, the load was sort of minimal, i guess | 02:59 |
| yuriwho | today my wifes company was designated essential so she will be working during the shutdown starting tomorrow | 02:59 |
| LjL | hurray? | 03:00 |
| yuriwho | she will even get a special letter of permission for when stopped by police | 03:00 |
| LjL | will she be *permitted*, or will she be *mandated* | 03:00 |
| LjL | people here already do have to get letters of permissions from their employeers to show the police, the self-certification is not enough for that | 03:01 |
| LjL | well, i mean, they had to do that even before the recent "total lockdown" | 03:01 |
| yuriwho | permitted right now, perhaps mandated shortly, she's an R&D Chemist at a contract research org for biotech/pharma | 03:02 |
| LjL | (which is still not total but whatever, transport's still running, it shouldn't be, and supermarkets should do deliveries only) | 03:02 |
| LjL | i see | 03:02 |
| LjL | "it's like a war" becomes a somewhat more apt comparison when people are actually drafted | 03:02 |
| yuriwho | I have a meeting on thursday with a VP of the provincial Bioscience org to ask for funding for a COVID-19 vaccine project we want to do | 03:04 |
| yuriwho | LjL: you may like this article https://time.com/5800993/quarantine-historian-italy/ | 03:07 |
| LjL | yuriwho, i've read it | 03:08 |
| LjL | yuriwho, remember when i complained about the first picture being the usual teaser about street sanitizing? :P | 03:09 |
| yuriwho | oh yea | 03:09 |
| LjL | i've gotta say | 03:10 |
| LjL | "The recommended distance for coronavirus in the guidelines today is one meter. I could not verify in the historic records what distance was suggested by the Venetian health magistrates!" | 03:10 |
| LjL | i have no idea what the Venetian magistrates thought | 03:10 |
| LjL | but i suspect they'd have found it a ludicrously small distance | 03:10 |
| LjL | and... so would actual scientists now | 03:10 |
| LjL | other countries enforce 2m, and even that one is arbitrary, it's not like you can't get infected from 3 | 03:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:10 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Across the United States, the numbers of reported cases of coronavirus at nursing homes, assisted living facilities and other elder care centers have spiked, with at least 73 facilities in 22 states reporting infections, according to a review by The Washington Post of reports from states, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/SHbcue | 03:12 |
| yuriwho | yea, especially if the carrier also has a cold and is sneezing | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:16 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Moscow Police Readying for Citywide Coronavirus Lockdown – RBC - The Moscow Times — from WHO at 02:16: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/YsH7XQ | 03:18 |
| ryouma | "CDC was initially inflexible on testing guidelines (e.g. need travel or exposure history) • CDC created a test requiring a slow RT-PCR reaction on a specific model of machine to be run overnight, not designing the right primers, and not realizing this for a month. This was both strategically (using 30-year-old technology) and tactically (designing wrong primers) incompetent. I would expect most graduate students | 03:28 |
| ryouma | to do better." --- lin informal slide deck (stanford) | 03:28 |
| ryouma | ""FDA had stringent rules on testing: approved only the (initially flawed) CDC test, refused working tests from WHO and other countries (www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea- testing-intl-hnk/index.html), and even required CDC to retest results of other labs (www.propublica.org/article/the-fda-is-forcing-the-cdc-to-waste-time-double-testing-some- coronavirus-cases) – Finally allowed academic labs to | 03:29 |
| ryouma | develop their own tests on 2/29 (https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/coronavirus-testing-how-academic-medical-labs- are-stepping-fill-void) – Finally on 3/13 approved rapid Roche test (https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/fda- grants-roche-coronavirus-test-emergency-green-light-within-24-hours)" | 03:29 |
| ryouma | -- ibid | 03:29 |
| ryouma | didn't know that | 03:29 |
| Poon_ | %data vietnam | 03:34 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 123 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 17 recoveries as of March 24, 01:39Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 03:34 |
| Spec | %data new york city | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +270 cases (now 412919), +15 deaths (now 17965), +359 recoveries (now 105353) 🔸 Korea, South: +76 cases (now 9037), +9 deaths (now 120), +341 recoveries (now 3507) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Australia: +170 cases (now 1887) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +4 cases (now 6) [... want %more?] | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | Spec: Sorry, new york city not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:35 |
| Spec | %data new york city, new york | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | Spec: Sorry, new york city, new york not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:35 |
| Spec | %data NYC | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | Spec: Sorry, NYC not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:35 |
| Spec | i don't know how to bot | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:27 UTC: Coronavirus updates Australia: Queensland to close all borders with police enforcing checks: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest updates, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 03:36 |
| danielp3344 | Spec: I think it only has data for states? | 03:36 |
| danielp3344 | %data NY | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | danielp3344: In New York, US, there are 15793 cases, 117 deaths (0.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 02:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:36 |
| Spec | oic :) | 03:38 |
| adventurer | Will Corona be seasonal? | 03:38 |
| adventurer | experts opinions? | 03:38 |
| Spec | we can't know the answer to that yet, i don't think | 03:38 |
| gildarts | People have definitely been wishcasting about that, but doesn't seem possible that anyone really even has a good guess yet. | 03:41 |
| danielp3344 | I left my house for something like two weeks now :/ | 03:41 |
| danielp3344 | I'm going kinda crazy | 03:41 |
| danielp3344 | and I live on a #### farm, I feel bad for people elsewhere | 03:42 |
| ryouma | farm -- excellent. i have known farms that put food out on tables (near the street wihch is nowhere near the house) and a bucket to put money in. maybe you could hook up with delivery companies? | 03:43 |
| oriba | looks like there is again a problem with the data pipeline: https://offloop.net/covid19/ | 03:47 |
| danielp3344 | ryouma: nothing really growing atm | 03:50 |
| danielp3344 | We have ducks and chickens but this time of year it's not a lot of eggs | 03:50 |
| ryouma | ah, spring i guess is not egg laying time | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:45 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK placed under lockdown as Trump insists nation will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 03:54 |
| fructose | Maybe we should just say South Korea won this Olympics and just wait another 4 years | 04:01 |
| Spec | damn the news comes fast these days | 04:01 |
| berndj | is the world going to split into "red" and "green" zones until a vaccine becomes widely available? | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says risk of local outbreak hasn't gone away, South Korea reports nine deaths — from WHO at 02:59: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 04:06 |
| fructose | berndj: I'm hoping for effective treatment sooner than that. Trials underway now, but that's no guarantee | 04:06 |
| ryouma | where will there be green zones? | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:02 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK placed under lockdown as Trump insists US will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 04:12 |
| oriba | This is a Brainstorm-Loop... | 04:13 |
| berndj | ryouma, basically all the developed nations, the ones that are capable of locking down to eliminate the virus | 04:17 |
| ryouma | developing can't do that? | 04:17 |
| berndj | i don't think so | 04:17 |
| ryouma | i am not optimistic that the e.g. uk and us gov will stop making mistakes | 04:18 |
| ryouma | i can believe some asian developed countries will keep it under control | 04:19 |
| ryouma | but it needs to be at most r=1 right? | 04:19 |
| ryouma | 0 | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2418 cases (now 415337), +30 deaths (now 17995) 🔸 US: +2411 cases (now 46145), +29 deaths (now 582) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Australia: +170 cases (now 1887) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +4 cases (now 6) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 136) 🔹 Alberta, Canada: +42 cases (now 301) [... want %more?] | 04:23 |
| LjL | US what | 04:24 |
| LjL | %cases us | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 46145 cases, 582 deaths (1.3% of cases), 295 recoveries as of March 24, 03:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:18 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 04:24 |
| metreo | Maybe we should just say North Korea won this Olympics and just wait another 4 years | 04:32 |
| LjL | they won the olympics, and had zero covid cases | 04:34 |
| LjL | man what a year for NK | 04:34 |
| Poon_ | %data boston | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: Sorry, boston not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:34 |
| metreo | %data North Korea | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: Sorry, North Korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:34 |
| metreo | Wow 0 cases in the DPRNK | 04:35 |
| metreo | good for them | 04:36 |
| metreo | I'd like to see Pyongyang someday ... :) | 04:36 |
| Raf[m] | %data Massachusetts | 04:37 |
| Brainstorm | Raf[m]: In Massachusetts, US, there are 646 cases, 5 deaths (0.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 03:27Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:37 |
| Raf[m] | %data New York | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | Raf[m]: In New York, US, there are 15793 cases, 117 deaths (0.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 03:27Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:38 |
| BruntLIVE | Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat coronavirus. https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/man-dies-after-self-medicating-with-chloroquine-phosphate-to-treat-coronavirus/ | 04:39 |
| yuriwho | BruntLIVE: that was so predictable | 04:40 |
| Raf[m] | Wow | 04:40 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah, for some god-unknown reason JH have duplicated the same data for 22nd and 23rd of March. The person looking after that data is an idiot. | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:34 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK placed under lockdown as Trump insists US will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:43 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Atlanta Mayor signs stay-at-home order due to coronavirus pandemic — from WHO at 03:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/S58Ewa | 04:49 |
| fructose | tinwhiskers: Last I looked it was some undergrad doing the commits. Luckily this is just the practice pandemic. | 04:51 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 04:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I figured it was an intern | 04:51 |
| Raf[m] | Using github to store a bunch of CSVs, ugh | 04:52 |
| Raf[m] | Database would be good | 04:52 |
| rajrajraj | Twinhiskers | 04:52 |
| metreo | Is there such a database | 04:54 |
| Raf[m] | Not that I know of but it's probably out there. I saw some website offering RESTful calls so maybe they have a database backend | 04:55 |
| ryouma | who knows --- 20:35 <metreo> Wow 0 cases in the DPRNK | 04:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:46 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK placed under lockdown as Trump insists US will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 05:01 |
| xrogaan | Thunderf00t on why quarantine is pretty important: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRCn5xPLCKs | 05:01 |
| xrogaan | With math. | 05:01 |
| oriba | tinwhiskers: the JHU data-expert was an intern? | 05:02 |
| tinwhiskers | oriba: so says fructose, and it's no surprise. The management is horrible. These mistakes are such rookie things, and really you'd think they'd be putting a better foot forward considering the number of eyes on them. | 05:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says risk of local outbreak hasn't gone away, South Korea reports 9 deaths — from WHO at 04:01: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 05:07 |
| oriba | tinwhiskers: JHU is mentioned in the media (at least here), so they are good enough with their mess to impress the journalists... | 05:07 |
| oriba | ...so why should they change the responsible person? | 05:08 |
| oriba | ... maybe they don't even know that there is a problem... | 05:08 |
| tinwhiskers | they usually, eventually fix the mistakes, but it's embarrassing. | 05:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, they know there is a problem. There are endless complaints on their github about them being incompetent | 05:08 |
| oriba | it does not look like automated processing | 05:08 |
| tinwhiskers | and it's not just armchair internet know-it-alls | 05:09 |
| oriba | Maybe thats the reason why they don't have their toolchain published | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | they really do suck badly | 05:09 |
| oriba | It's all hand work :-) | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:09 |
| fructose | oriba: I only observed earlier that the person making the commits was an undergrad and that the commits were awful. That doesn't mean that the entire operation is a mess. | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | their gathering may be good, but the maintenance of public dataset is truly awful. | 05:09 |
| oriba | fructose: it's a mess, but the problems average out over time ;-) | 05:10 |
| wormkid | Hi | 05:11 |
| oriba | I know their workflow: 20 students / interns using webbrowsers, looking for the data. Writing it down to paper. It will be collected by ane excel expert, and then harfully saved as foobar.csv this is stored on usb device (usb-stick) and then brought to someone who puts it onto github | 05:12 |
| oriba | s/harfully/harmfully/ | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: I know their workflow: 20 students / interns using webbrowsers, looking for the data. Writing it down to paper. It will be collected by ane excel expert, and then harmfully saved as foobar.csv this is stored on usb device (usb-stick) and then brought to someone who puts it onto github | 05:12 |
| oriba | s/ane/an/ | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: I know their workflow: 20 students / interns using webbrowsers, looking for the data. Writing it down to paper. It will be collected by an excel expert, and then harmfully saved as foobar.csv this is stored on usb device (usb-stick) and then brought to someone who puts it onto github | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:05 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 05:13 |
| oriba | some of the csv-files have permissions as executable. | 05:13 |
| Raf[m] | > oriba meant to say: I know their workflow: 20 students / interns using webbrowsers, looking for the data. Writing it down to paper. It will be collected by ane excel expert, and then harmfully saved as foobar.csv this is stored on usb device (usb-stick) and then brought to someone who puts it onto github | 05:13 |
| Raf[m] | Very interesting thanks for insight | 05:13 |
| oriba | Raf[m]: the "I know their workflow" is not from looking over their shoulder.... it's from looking at the data and find a possible workflow. Just incase you are a journalist who writes a story just now... ;-) | 05:15 |
| oriba | ok ... it's looking over their shoulder. | 05:15 |
| oriba | by looking at the repo | 05:15 |
| oriba | ok, write the story! :-) | 05:15 |
| Raf[m] | I'm not just curious how this data is curated, like what's their source but I guess it's aggregated manually | 05:16 |
| Raf[m] | I'm not a journalist*, just curious | 05:16 |
| oriba | "Dear audience, the JHU data we used in our news has turned out to be complete rubbish..." | 05:16 |
| ryouma | i hope nobody doing volunteer work is hearing criticism and getting discouraged from doign it | 05:16 |
| oriba | Raf[m]: yes, it looks like manually... thats why the many errors in country names and so on come from | 05:17 |
| oriba | or they have a script which is so broken, that they have to correct it by hand | 05:17 |
| oriba | one issue on github was about three different time formats | 05:18 |
| oriba | wtf | 05:18 |
| ryouma | ugh | 05:19 |
| oriba | but to be fair: the sources they scrape (with their 20 students/interns and 20 webbrowsers) also do not provde the data in a way that looks like the 21st century... | 05:22 |
| oriba | s/provde/provide/ | 05:22 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: but to be fair: the sources they scrape (with their 20 students/interns and 20 webbrowsers) also do not provide the data in a way that looks like the 21st century... | 05:22 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Hubei, China: +1 cases (now 67801), +7 deaths (now 3160), +441 recoveries (now 60323) 🔹 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 42) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 12) 🔹 Australia: +178 cases (now 1895), +1 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +4 cases (now 6) [... want %more?] | 05:23 |
| Raf[m] | %more | 05:24 |
| Brainstorm | Raf[m], [...] 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 136) 🔹 Alberta, Canada: +42 cases (now 301) 🔹 Saskatchewan, Canada: +12 cases (now 66) 🔹 Chad: +1 cases (now 2) 🔹 China: +47 cases (now 81545), +4 deaths (now 3281), +107 recoveries (now 73266) 🔹 Beijing, China: +16 cases (now 553), +1 recoveries (now 402) 🔹 Fujian, China: +5 cases (now 318) [...] → https://paste.ee/p/MS45o | 05:24 |
| oriba | In times of ftp the stuff was better automated than today .... but we have more colors today... :P | 05:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:18 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK placed under lockdown as Trump insists US will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 05:31 |
| ryouma | freenode has a lot of programmers; maybe smoe are good at scraping? | 05:32 |
| rajrajraj | Scraping what | 05:34 |
| Raf[m] | Cases, tests, positive tests, deaths, etc | 05:34 |
| Raf[m] | Public patient characteristics like age | 05:35 |
| oriba | enough emoutions put into this for tonight. | 05:41 |
| oriba | cu tomorrow... | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says risk of local outbreak hasn't gone away, South Korea reports 9 deaths — from WHO at 04:44: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 05:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Australia: +256 cases (now 1973), +1 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 42) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 12) 🔹 Austria: +6 cases (now 4474) 🔹 Benin: +4 cases (now 6) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 136) 🔹 Alberta, Canada: +42 cases (now 301) 🔹 Saskatchewan, Canada: +12 cases (now 66) [... want %more?] | 05:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:47 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK placed under lockdown as Trump insists US will 'reopen' soon: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 06:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:03 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 06:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says risk of local outbreak hasn't gone away, South Korea reports 9 deaths — from WHO at 05:22: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 06:25 |
| Albright | Next time you see a freight trucker, throw 'em a thumbs up or a peace sign | 06:33 |
| pagetelegram | Make the honk gesture....now they will love to reciprocate. | 06:39 |
| Albright | I bet they get annoyed by the honk gesture. | 06:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 05:41 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: China to partially lift travel restrictions on Hubei province April 8th — from WHO at 05:41: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/ugoWdW | 06:43 |
| sandro_ | %data germany | 06:49 |
| Brainstorm | sandro_: In all areas, Germany, there are 29056 cases, 123 deaths (0.4% of cases), 453 recoveries as of March 24, 04:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 06:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 05:43 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Pakistan under full lockdown, military deployed — from WHO at 05:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/TLSDtC | 06:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:54 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 07:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:57 UTC: European markets set to rebound amid positive global reaction to Fed stimulus: European markets are set to rebound at the open Tuesday as investors react positively to the U.S. Federal Reserve's announced open-ended asset purchase program. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/enEq1l | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China says risk of local outbreak hasn't gone away, South Korea reports 9 deaths — from WHO at 06:06: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 07:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK wakes up to lockdown as Trump insists US will 'reopen' in weeks: Police to enforce UK lockdown; US president tells country not to blame Asian Americans; UN calls for global ceasefire; WHO says virus accelerating. Follow the latest updates [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 07:32 |
| Timvde | Sooo, yesterday I was pleasantly surprised by Trump's speech | 07:48 |
| Timvde | Today, not so much anymore | 07:48 |
| Timvde | https://www.businessinsider.nl/coronavirus-woman-husband-died-chloroquine-warns-not-to-trust-trump-2020-3 | 07:48 |
| Timvde | Could've known it was a plain lie | 07:48 |
| Timvde | On the other hand: "It’s not clear how much chloroquine the man ingested, and Banner Health said he and his wife ingested a version of the chemical that’s used to clean aquariums." | 07:49 |
| ryouma | so, do you need goggles? if you are living with infected? | 07:49 |
| Albright | Oh, I heard about that. | 07:49 |
| Albright | Yeah, this couple was self-medicating with freaking aquarium cleaner. | 07:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:39 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 07:50 |
| Albright | But it's Trump's fault I guess | 07:50 |
| ryouma | incredibly different answers about duration of virus. e.g. on fabrics vs. steel. some say stays on clothes longer, others say stays on clothes shorter. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html | 07:52 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +277 cases (now 415893), +13 recoveries (now 105479) 🔹 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 42) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 12) 🔹 Australia: +163 cases (now 2136) 🔹 Austria: +3 cases (now 4477) 🔹 Bolivia: +1 cases (now 28) 🔹 China: +8 cases (now 81553), +11 recoveries (now 73277) [... want %more?] | 07:53 |
| Timvde | Albright: not _really_ Trump's fault, no. But still it was a lie, and you just know that people are stupid enough to do that sort of thing. | 07:55 |
| Albright | Timvde: Trump is responsible for his own stupidity but not that of other people. | 07:56 |
| Timvde | Yes, agreed, but he also knows that there are people looking up to him and taking him seriously, so the only thing he should stress is to listen to doctors and don't take anything without a prescription | 07:57 |
| Timvde | Then again, I also didn't see this coming, yesterday I thought it was a pretty okay press conference | 07:57 |
| Timvde | But I'm not president, I don't have to think about how stupid people will react to what I say, he should | 07:58 |
| Albright | I mean it's kind of common sense that you don't drink cleaning chemicals | 07:59 |
| Albright | I'm sorry but there's just no way you can attribute this to Trump without some degree of TDS. | 07:59 |
| Joe | is this the guy that OD'd on fish tank tablets?? Albright | 08:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:00 UTC: China: China to lift travel restrictions in Hubei after months of coronavirus lockdown — from WHO at 07:00: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/JBbXwj | 08:02 |
| Albright | Joe: I don't know if they were tablets, but aquarium cleaner chemical of some sort, yes. | 08:03 |
| Joe | poor fucker | 08:03 |
| Joe | some weirdo fringe prepper that thought he knew what he was doing? | 08:04 |
| euod[m] | Timvde: yes, people are panicking and will do stupid things. Trump caused this explicitly, there's no other way around it. | 08:06 |
| Albright | Perhaps. I don't know the exact circumstances. | 08:06 |
| Joe | TDS | 08:07 |
| euod[m] | it's pretty simple. | 08:07 |
| euod[m] | they were not COVID-19 positive. | 08:07 |
| euod[m] | they panicked and drank a huge amount of aquarium cleaner based on it being the same chemical as talked about by Trump. | 08:07 |
| euod[m] | wife didn't die, husband did. both hospitalized. | 08:07 |
| Joe | oh i see you ar ejoking | 08:08 |
| Joe | i thought you were serious... lol | 08:08 |
| euod[m] | me? no. this literally happened. | 08:08 |
| Timvde | Them not actually being infected makes it that much more stupid | 08:08 |
| Joe | no about it being the presidents fault | 08:09 |
| euod[m] | it is though. | 08:09 |
| Joe | lmao | 08:09 |
| Albright | BAD JOKE: I mean I guess it kind of worked because we know that guy will never catch the virus now | 08:09 |
| euod[m] | he's touting a specific drug as a cute. | 08:09 |
| Joe | ya okay..... | 08:09 |
| Joe | and it maybe | 08:09 |
| Joe | but WHO TAKES ANY drug without medical guidance | 08:09 |
| euod[m] | if the president of the US stands up and says "this drug is a cure", despite it not being, and being a very dangerous drug, is he not responsible for the death of someone who believed him? | 08:09 |
| Timvde | Joe: he is _in_directly responsible. That's less bad than being directly responsible, but a president should watch their words more carefully. | 08:10 |
| Joe | Why he and the CDC foudn hope he should down play that?? | 08:10 |
| Timvde | euod[m]: but it isn't a very dangerous drugs per se, it's just a drug that also happens to be present in aquarium cleaner, which is dangerous | 08:10 |
| euod[m] | Joe: people who are panicking. | 08:10 |
| Joe | that's the fucking new's fault | 08:11 |
| Timvde | Joe: it hasn't been approved by the FDA. That was a plain lie. | 08:11 |
| euod[m] | Timvde: it causes heart problems, the difference between a medical dose and a fatal one is hair thin, like many drugs. | 08:11 |
| Joe | they won't let up for one seocnd | 08:11 |
| Joe | In a non-therapeutic dose it is in tonic water. | 08:11 |
| euod[m] | people are panicking, obviously the stupidest thing to be doing here is to spout lies about potential cures, because people are scared. | 08:12 |
| Joe | what if it's true | 08:12 |
| euod[m] | the amount in tonic water is minuscule. you're talking drinking cases of it a day to reach a dose that would do anything. | 08:12 |
| Timvde | Joe: people should probably be a little panicked, or otherwise they won't stay inside | 08:12 |
| Joe | what if it is the miracle that calls off the dommsday shit? | 08:12 |
| euod[m] | what if it's not. | 08:12 |
| euod[m] | then loads of people will be in hospital from ODing on aquarium cleaner. | 08:13 |
| Joe | Do you know what non-therapeutic dose means?? | 08:13 |
| Timvde | Joe: the thing is that we don't know, the FDA has come out and said they don't support that claim. | 08:13 |
| Joe | no they said they needed to test it more. | 08:13 |
| Timvde | Yes. So they don't currently support the claim that it's a cure. | 08:14 |
| Timvde | They don't know | 08:14 |
| euod[m] | ie, they do not support that claim. | 08:14 |
| Timvde | There are positive signs, sure. But medicines are delicate stuff | 08:14 |
| euod[m] | the claim "it is a cure" is untrue. the fda has said it is not a cure. maybe it ends up being a treatment in the future, but it is not a cure you can go drink now. | 08:14 |
| Joe | he said it was a cure????? | 08:14 |
| Joe | where show me??? | 08:15 |
| fructose | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t2t8d8xtD0 | 08:15 |
| fructose | tinwhiskers: Relevant to previous discussion | 08:15 |
| Joe | https://i.imgur.com/8n3WILw.png | 08:15 |
| Joe | ^^^ read this | 08:15 |
| euod[m] | Joe: thanks for providing a link. | 08:15 |
| euod[m] | Joe: because that's what he's telling people to do, go take random crap. | 08:16 |
| Joe | WHERE?? | 08:16 |
| euod[m] | literally in your twet. | 08:16 |
| Joe | SHOW ME THE PROOF OF YOUR NARRATIVE | 08:16 |
| euod[m] | the image you posted. | 08:16 |
| Joe | where??? | 08:16 |
| ryouma | i'm not sure this is as high priority a topic as the falsities and inconsistencies the agencies have told, their delays, the delays of the us gov in general, the state and country govs, and so on. the country in question has a lot of folk in it. some are going to do such things. | 08:16 |
| ryouma | and questions about airborne-ness like i posted above, questions about surfaces, and so on | 08:17 |
| Joe | hiya ryouma | 08:17 |
| ryouma | (but that's just me) | 08:17 |
| ryouma | hi Joe! | 08:17 |
| euod[m] | Joe: your ability to not apply any sort of logic to conversation is truly impressive. I congratulate you on that innate, and completely valueless ability. | 08:17 |
| fructose | euod[m]: It's not about logic. obviously | 08:19 |
| Joe | logic?? | 08:20 |
| ryouma | remember the press looks for man bites dog. we don't want to get distracted by extremely unfortunate, but possibly not the highest priority, topics? | 08:20 |
| ryouma | too* distracted | 08:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus map of the US: latest cases state by state — from WHO at 07:14: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wVJfAk | 08:21 |
| Joe | you think a tweet about a possible successful drug trial to solve the pandemic by POTUS made a man OD on aquarium cleaner? | 08:21 |
| Joe | and i have logic issues?? | 08:21 |
| euod[m] | fructose: I sort of envy being dense enough to be able to justify any action with meaningless blathering, and walk away feeling good about having done it. | 08:21 |
| fructose | euod[m]: It's easy, just don't care about the truth | 08:22 |
| euod[m] | fructose: or disconnect cause and effect, at the very minimum. | 08:22 |
| s8ori | obvious troll is obvious | 08:23 |
| Joe | The truth is a sad event happened that in no way was POTUS's fault and you two don't have the intellect to decipher that. | 08:23 |
| Joe | which one s8ori ? | 08:23 |
| euod[m] | why did they do it? | 08:23 |
| Joe | or both of them? | 08:23 |
| euod[m] | what caused them to try this? | 08:23 |
| euod[m] | they followed the direction of the president of the united states. | 08:24 |
| Tobi[m] | Oh a Trump lover? | 08:24 |
| euod[m] | seems like cause and effect to me. if Trump had not tweeted that, they would not have done it. | 08:24 |
| Joe | no i'm a logic lover | 08:24 |
| s8ori | jokes on them. they didnt listen to him cause they took the wrong thing. lol | 08:24 |
| Joe | show me where he directed anyone to take anything without medical guidance! Or for that matter said to take aquarium cleaner? | 08:27 |
| s8ori | Joe: well. I've been known to huff VCR head cleaner from time to time.. but I think this is diff.. | 08:27 |
| s8ori | heheh | 08:27 |
| Joe | no it comes with that felt pad just for that | 08:28 |
| s8ori | yeah | 08:28 |
| Joe | I'm suspecting a dose of TDS. | 08:29 |
| s8ori | the true pandemic | 08:29 |
| jacklsw | %data malaysia | 08:29 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 1518 cases, 15 deaths (1.0% of cases), 159 recoveries as of March 24, 07:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 08:29 |
| Joe | perhaps a near fatal one, it may lead to crying in November. | 08:29 |
| s8ori | Joe: not another relapse of the great butthurt of 2016! | 08:30 |
| Joe | lol | 08:30 |
| Joe | oh yes | 08:30 |
| Joe | and when Trump cures covid they will be truly upset. | 08:30 |
| fritzien2 | %data germany | 08:30 |
| Brainstorm | fritzien2: In all areas, Germany, there are 29056 cases, 123 deaths (0.4% of cases), 453 recoveries as of March 24, 06:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 08:30 |
| s8ori | well lets not get ahead of ourselves | 08:31 |
| s8ori | hehehe | 08:31 |
| Joe | LOL | 08:31 |
| Timvde | Joe: do you really think anyone will be upset if we find a cure for this? | 08:34 |
| Timvde | Because that's crazy | 08:34 |
| Timvde | Just because you're so extremely partisan, doesn't mean others are too | 08:35 |
| fructose | Timvde: It's better if we don't feed the trolls. | 08:35 |
| Timvde | FWIW: I'm not even American | 08:35 |
| Joe | So if Trump pushes it thru the FDA and forces trials and it works, the TDS crew will say he did a good job? | 08:35 |
| Joe | Because he is the one driving it fast, not the CDC | 08:35 |
| Timvde | Btw, you've been saying those three letters, and I can't find what they mean | 08:36 |
| Timvde | What does TDS stand for? | 08:36 |
| Joe | you have it | 08:36 |
| Joe | Trump derangement syndrome | 08:36 |
| Timvde | Oh, interesting, because I'd say you're kinda deranged on this | 08:37 |
| ryouma | guys... | 08:38 |
| Timvde | How opinions can differ :) | 08:38 |
| Joe | no a tweet by a president giving the country and the world hope in the face of a opandemic, you guys think caused the death of man | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +350 cases (now 416243), +10 deaths (now 18014), +74 recoveries (now 105553) 🔸 Israel: +214 cases (now 1656) 🔹 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 42) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 12) 🔹 Australia: +163 cases (now 2136) 🔹 Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +7 cases (now 39) [... want %more?] | 08:38 |
| Joe | because Trump told him to. | 08:38 |
| Joe | lol and i'm deranged | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:30 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 08:39 |
| xrogaan | Trump is a moron, if he succeed at something it'll due to pure luck. | 08:39 |
| ryouma | so the fed is purchasing all kinds of securities now instead of t bonds and such. is that correct? this keeps interest rates down in a more diversified field? is that the idea? | 08:39 |
| Joe | xrogaan: where is your billion dollar relaestate empire?? | 08:40 |
| xrogaan | In the sense that he doesn't know the first thing about vaccine. He is desperate to have one around, which is why he did ask if a flu vaccine could work. | 08:40 |
| xrogaan | It's just how it is, the man isn't a leader in any shape or form. | 08:41 |
| Joe | i don't understand what you are indicting him for? He asked the leading experts a question, nothing more nothing less. | 08:42 |
| ryouma | we're talking perhaps a trillion of fed purchases here | 08:42 |
| Joe | ryouma: more and the pork crap the house is trying to feed into the bill will force more | 08:42 |
| xrogaan | Joe: they told him, early on, that a pandemic was coming. Did nothing for months, would have been back for public image. It'll lead to million of American death, which is a "sacrifice" he chose to make. | 08:43 |
| xrogaan | ryouma: they buy everything apparently. Unlimited QE. | 08:43 |
| Joe | what??? | 08:43 |
| Joe | when did WHO declare it a andemic? | 08:44 |
| Joe | pandemic? | 08:44 |
| Joe | check that date for me | 08:44 |
| Joe | and just a few weeks ago they were slashing at him for closing travel with china as too much too soon. | 08:44 |
| xrogaan | Your battling a strawman. | 08:44 |
| Joe | what you want the delusion Biden at the reins of this? | 08:45 |
| xrogaan | you're* | 08:45 |
| Joe | no I'm not they are called facts | 08:45 |
| xrogaan | Which comes from your ass. | 08:45 |
| Joe | try it... it will help you make sense with adults | 08:45 |
| Joe | when did WHO declare it a pandemic | 08:45 |
| xrogaan | I mean, I can shit facts all day long too. But mine comes from reality. | 08:46 |
| Joe | google it and post the date here | 08:46 |
| ryouma | Joe: actually don't you think it's probably consensus that the who didn't want to declare the pandemic officially ecause it didn't want countries to stop containment | 08:46 |
| ryouma | ? | 08:46 |
| ryouma | does this suggest goggles are needed? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html | 08:46 |
| Joe | oh so now the WHO is evil plotter | 08:46 |
| Joe | lol | 08:46 |
| Timvde | Joe: declaring it is a pandemic isn't the same as warning that it might be one | 08:46 |
| Joe | and i'm the one dragging strawmen around | 08:47 |
| Joe | ok so what could of been done earlier? | 08:47 |
| ryouma | Joe: no, i'm not taking sides on this. i thuoght that aws the consensus. if not then never mind. | 08:47 |
| Joe | what that WHO acts in bad faith? | 08:48 |
| Timvde | Here's one from a month ago: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-outbreak-edges-closer-to-pandemic/2020/02/21/03afafc0-5429-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.html | 08:48 |
| Timvde | And they probably saw it coming already before they told the press | 08:48 |
| ryouma | please forget i commented on the who. i was most definitely not trying to enter the argument. earlier, i said we're talking about a man bites dog, when we could be talkinga bout other stuff. | 08:49 |
| Joe | no that's a pretty good conversation. just how motivated politically is the WHO? | 08:50 |
| ryouma | well yeah that is a good topic | 08:50 |
| ryouma | and here i thought i was failing at bringing us back to channel topic :) | 08:50 |
| Joe | i have read some stuff about the naming scheme and the pressure china place on them to not CHINA-x the virus | 08:50 |
| ryouma | i didn't realize that was china. i thought it was pre-existing policy. hmm. | 08:51 |
| Joe | i thought i read it was reasonably new in this case. | 08:51 |
| ryouma | sars2 would have worked | 08:51 |
| ryouma | nobody remembers the virus name | 08:52 |
| Joe | ya? | 08:52 |
| xrogaan | Stark reminder: Spain did nothing to stop travels, so they could keep their various carnival running (lots of tourists visiting). The government knew full well about the possibility of a pandemic too. | 08:52 |
| xrogaan | And now, like the US, they're in deep shit. | 08:52 |
| Joe | and i have 4 police officers from my local with corona because of spain. | 08:52 |
| Joe | are we really in "deep shit"? | 08:53 |
| xrogaan | Depends, how much do you like living? | 08:53 |
| Joe | some percentage of the uptick is increased testing. | 08:53 |
| ryouma | i just don't get why countries do that when they can look out a fwe WEEKS and realize that the result will be significantly worse | 08:53 |
| ryouma | they need, like, somebody on staff woh knows the word exponential | 08:54 |
| Joe | ryouma: i was reading how HK had arrested it, and now it's respreading. | 08:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Joe: in about 4 days the US will have more cases than China or Italy did. That's kinda deep shit. | 08:54 |
| xrogaan | Yeah, so long as we don't have a vaccine there will be no real solution. | 08:55 |
| Joe | therapeutic drugs are a stop gap for now. | 08:55 |
| tinwhiskers | if they existed, that would be true | 08:55 |
| ryouma | there is almost no testing afaict in many places in the us. that is bothersome as i doubt that the rate of infection is so low that it is not needed | 08:55 |
| xrogaan | The UK initially planned to let to run rampant to build up herd immunity, back pedaled days later. | 08:55 |
| ryouma | yeah that | 08:56 |
| xrogaan | The Johnson really hates government intervention. | 08:56 |
| Joe | evidently getting the SARS vaccine thru trials is paramount, but even with the big foot of the FDA out of the way... it's really a year away. | 08:56 |
| xrogaan | Or more. | 08:56 |
| Joe | or more | 08:57 |
| Joe | thats best best case | 08:57 |
| xrogaan | So governments around the world woke up to that reality and are panicking. | 08:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:41 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK mobile firms asked to alert Britons to heed coronavirus lockdown — from WHO at 07:41: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/PpDH4z | 08:57 |
| tinwhiskers | they are not all panicking | 08:57 |
| xrogaan | You can't just ignore it, because it's global. Otherwise, the Trump would have continued doing nothing too. | 08:57 |
| ryouma | if it is airborne, would non-sealed goggles be useful? or would indirect airway vents be insufficient? | 08:58 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: I mean, what's the long-term plan? Them leaders need to have something to propose before the end of April. | 08:58 |
| Joe | no frsh air tychem | 08:58 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: why do they? Why April? | 08:59 |
| Joe | here in the states??? | 08:59 |
| Joe | they need a solution PDQ | 08:59 |
| Joe | something anything | 08:59 |
| tinwhiskers | either let lots of people die or hunker down | 08:59 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: can't stay in quarantine for a year now, can we? | 09:00 |
| Joe | well we have another pressure point in the US | 09:00 |
| Joe | and i dunno how to put this lightly | 09:00 |
| Joe | we may have a problem with civil unrest | 09:01 |
| ryouma | ? --- 00:58 <Joe> no frsh air tychem | 09:01 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: the general plan in the saner countries is to suppress is through lock downs, then relax those restrictions as things improve, until the point more national or regional lock downs are required. | 09:01 |
| xrogaan | Lots of people will die already, no question about that. | 09:01 |
| tinwhiskers | You expect to have new outbreaks | 09:01 |
| Joe | oh sorry ryouma fresh air supplied tychem suits. https://assets.fishersci.com/TFS-Assets/CCG/Dupont-Personal-Protection/product-images/C1791740_main-1.jpg-650.jpg | 09:02 |
| Joe | tinwhiskers: this might not be the big outbreak | 09:02 |
| ryouma | you're talking one of those suits with pumps that supply air? | 09:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Joe: how do you mean? | 09:02 |
| xrogaan | New outbreaks are guaranteed, yes. | 09:02 |
| Joe | there could be a biggerwave | 09:03 |
| tinwhiskers | sure, and you go into lock down again to manage that | 09:03 |
| Joe | or a mutated strain with MERS type mortality rate | 09:03 |
| tinwhiskers | well, that's highly speculative | 09:03 |
| Joe | oh that's right from my butt | 09:03 |
| Joe | but it's food for thought | 09:04 |
| tinwhiskers | even if that does happen the process stays the same | 09:04 |
| Joe | correct | 09:04 |
| xrogaan | I posted a video from Thunderf00t earlier today, which explain with basic mathematics that the situation is not going to improve unless everybody stay at home and practice social distancing. Confinement for more than a month in order to lower the amount of seriously sick and death. | 09:04 |
| tinwhiskers | there is no quick fix. The best approach (to date) is to suppress, relax, suppress, relax. | 09:05 |
| Joe | once we have the procedure down we might be able to handle this as well as Taiwan. | 09:05 |
| Joe | that's not happening in the US | 09:05 |
| Joe | Should it, probably | 09:05 |
| Joe | will it, no it won't | 09:05 |
| tinwhiskers | suppressing is the procedure. Just because some countries can't muster the will to do it doesn't mean the solution doesn't exist | 09:05 |
| xrogaan | Might have 1 or 2 million of dead American in one to two month then. | 09:06 |
| tinwhiskers | yep | 09:06 |
| Joe | i dunno those projection seem pretty high | 09:06 |
| Joe | and i read the CDC report | 09:06 |
| xrogaan | They're conservative actually. | 09:06 |
| tinwhiskers | they are probably conservative | 09:06 |
| Joe | but of course i'm a layman, my wife who isn't assures me they are favored high. | 09:07 |
| xrogaan | IIRC two days ago the US reported 400 death right? | 09:07 |
| xrogaan | If you look at the curve in other countries, that amount of dead people do not fit the amount of reported sick. | 09:07 |
| tinwhiskers | 327 mi people. say 50% get infected (conservative) = 163 mi. Say 5% of those require hospital care. That's 8 million people needing hospital care and they can't all get it. | 09:08 |
| xrogaan | to get something sensible, at that time, you would have needed to multiply the number of sick people by 40. | 09:08 |
| tinwhiskers | In fact it's more like 10% of people need hospital care | 09:08 |
| ryouma | don't forget the uncounted dead. you go to pharmacy to get something like oxygen bottles that you need and it is not there so you die. | 09:08 |
| Joe | So... Politics aside and numbers beyond our paygrades... what does the US do? | 09:08 |
| tinwhiskers | What all successful countries do, as I already said | 09:09 |
| xrogaan | Why by 40? Well because the good leader decided to do nothing for month, as the disease spread in the community. | 09:09 |
| Joe | and identified we will not | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Medical staff beg for masks on social media amid coronavirus crisis — from WHO at 08:00: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/eYvfWG | 09:09 |
| tinwhiskers | the US won't do the right thing because neither the government nor the people have the will to do it. There's gonna be carnage. | 09:10 |
| ryouma | i think the citizens have the will | 09:10 |
| ryouma | some don't, but they will | 09:10 |
| Joe | if we force the lockdown you can imagine how that ends | 09:10 |
| ryouma | gov does not | 09:11 |
| Joe | if we don't we got a pretty grim outcome too. | 09:11 |
| tinwhiskers | Joe: right. Americans are not fond of losing their perceived liberty. | 09:11 |
| Joe | tinwhiskers: i call it freedumb | 09:11 |
| xrogaan | Joe: yeah, due to all the misinformation people will yell bloody murder. | 09:11 |
| tinwhiskers | if you don't go over 4 million dead you'll be extremely lucky. | 09:11 |
| xrogaan | The government called it a democrate hoax for fuck sake. | 09:12 |
| Joe | well tinwhiskers you stay there and count them... cause it's about to go down. | 09:12 |
| tinwhiskers | huh? | 09:12 |
| Joe | the dead bodies... you can read about them | 09:12 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't follow | 09:12 |
| Joe | we have a choice, either virus or bullets | 09:13 |
| ryouma | if tv showed overhwhelmed hospitals 24/7 and oprah showed those who cannot get medical treatment for other conditions on every show, the citizens would decide | 09:13 |
| ryouma | is the us building hospitals like china did? i realize that is not the only bottleneck | 09:13 |
| Joe | either one will result in a ridic amount of unneeded death, luckily those of you who aren't here can read about it. | 09:13 |
| xrogaan | If the US leadership cared more about the citizen than their stocks portfolio... | 09:14 |
| ryouma | Joe: you speak elliptically | 09:14 |
| ryouma | go ahead and spell it out | 09:14 |
| ryouma | for those of us whose brains are not following | 09:14 |
| Joe | ryouma: yes we are building hospitals and out hotzones have 1000 bed ships coming | 09:14 |
| Joe | our^ | 09:14 |
| tinwhiskers | nice | 09:14 |
| ryouma | 1000 beds is nothing for ny though right? | 09:15 |
| Joe | we have mobile unit cubes that stack | 09:15 |
| Joe | they build a ICU out of thin air | 09:15 |
| ryouma | when will ventilators arrive | 09:15 |
| Joe | no the ship is for routine medical... to bifurcate it from covid | 09:16 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 09:16 |
| Joe | and 1000 ico beds maybe enough | 09:16 |
| tinwhiskers | unlikely | 09:16 |
| Joe | for non covid?? | 09:16 |
| xrogaan | depends on the density of population in the area. | 09:16 |
| Joe | no i think NY health said it was sifficent | 09:16 |
| tinwhiskers | You'll have way more than that concurrently needing care | 09:16 |
| ryouma | whose bullets | 09:17 |
| xrogaan | Italy doesn't have enough ICU beds, but what we call ICU bed in europe is a lot more different than whatever the US think intensive care means. | 09:17 |
| Joe | they have the mobile units some 1200 i believe headed to NY | 09:17 |
| Joe | here ICU means ventilator and a air controlled room | 09:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Joe: you should get a job with the Trump team denying the extent of the problem | 09:18 |
| Joe | lol | 09:18 |
| Joe | your funny | 09:18 |
| Joe | NY health said 1k beds for non covid medical was enough for the month | 09:18 |
| Joe | not me | 09:18 |
| tinwhiskers | sure, for non-covid | 09:18 |
| tinwhiskers | for covid there's no way you can get enough | 09:19 |
| Joe | they are spinning up mobile ICUs and hopefully 30k school and communinty place ventilators | 09:19 |
| xrogaan | need lots of oxygen, lots of pumps. | 09:19 |
| Joe | we don't have but 2k ventilators right now | 09:19 |
| tinwhiskers | yipes | 09:20 |
| Joe | and they made a device to make it 4k | 09:20 |
| xrogaan | Just for NYC or the whole state? | 09:20 |
| Joe | whole state | 09:20 |
| xrogaan | what about all the other states? | 09:20 |
| xrogaan | 'cause, you know, the wave is coming. Pretty soonish too. | 09:20 |
| Joe | LA same thing... 40k vents and 2k general hospital ship and temps | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:19 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, Mentre eravate via — from WHO at 08:19: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/Ylbso1 | 09:21 |
| Joe | Seattle too but i'm unsure the numbers there | 09:21 |
| xrogaan | Another thing that you should be worried about, now that I think about it: are all people treated equally? Or will they need to pay for their treatment and ICU bed usage? | 09:21 |
| Joe | we are coming up shirt 100k vents | 09:21 |
| Joe | No pay for any covid related treatment | 09:22 |
| xrogaan | Poor people might not even show up in the hospitals, by fear of going bankrupt. | 09:22 |
| tinwhiskers | Imperial College predicts 2.2 million deaths in the US | 09:22 |
| Joe | that's the trillion bucks we are currently fighting over | 09:22 |
| Joe | xrogaan: that's really not even slightly amusng | 09:23 |
| Joe | that very well maybe a serious issue | 09:23 |
| xrogaan | That's freedom, apparently. | 09:23 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +210 cases (now 416453), +10 deaths (now 18024), +17 recoveries (now 105570) 🔹 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 42) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 12) 🔹 Australia: +163 cases (now 2136) 🔹 Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +7 cases (now 39) [... want %more?] | 09:23 |
| Joe | thats the sham medical care and the rednecks wanting to be tricked into supporting greed | 09:24 |
| p_hpd[m] | how about denmark how many are infected | 09:25 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases denmark | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, Denmark, there are 1460 cases, 24 deaths (1.6% of cases), 23 recoveries as of March 24, 08:17Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 09:25 |
| MinceR | %cases hungary | 09:27 |
| Brainstorm | MinceR: In all areas, Hungary, there are 187 cases, 8 deaths (4.3% of cases), 21 recoveries as of March 24, 07:11Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hungary for time series data. | 09:27 |
| Joe | xrogaan: no freedom is when your government trys to make you stay home to save your life and you shoot them. | 09:27 |
| MinceR | can i shoot them and then stay home? | 09:29 |
| ryouma | are there radio stations egging you on in those cases? | 09:29 |
| Joe | unsure the order | 09:29 |
| xrogaan | Only if you have lungs to breathe. | 09:29 |
| Joe | ryouma: ummmm the orange man is enough of an egotistical sociopath to make a call to arms if he doesn't get his way. | 09:30 |
| ryouma | in which direction? | 09:30 |
| Joe | who the fuck knows | 09:30 |
| xrogaan | Joe: do you really expect massive amount of people to fight off the National Guard? I mean civil unrest is expected, all government know that, which is why we still have a police force around. | 09:31 |
| Joe | the police are out of this... | 09:31 |
| xrogaan | Sorry, I'm referring to regular European democracies. | 09:31 |
| Joe | our civil police will not engage much beyond minor problems | 09:31 |
| ryouma | when is the army authorized? | 09:31 |
| Joe | Never | 09:32 |
| ryouma | so always the ng? | 09:32 |
| ryouma | unless foreign attack? | 09:32 |
| Joe | cprrect | 09:32 |
| ryouma | who does the ng obey? | 09:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Interestingly the imperial college model says that the US will need about 230 ICU beds per 100K population, which works out to only 7400 ICU beds simultaneously in use. That seems surprisingly low. | 09:32 |
| xrogaan | Who put the Japanese in concentration camp way back then? | 09:32 |
| ryouma | eisenhower... | 09:33 |
| Joe | no he means force maker | 09:33 |
| ryouma | wasn't it? | 09:33 |
| xrogaan | No, I mean, which branch. | 09:33 |
| ryouma | or am i never mind | 09:33 |
| MinceR | https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-symptoms-loss-of-smell-taste-covid-19-anosmia-hyposmia-2020-3 | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:26 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Britain goes into lockdown; global cases surpass 382,000: The WHO has warned the coronavirus outbreak is picking up the pace, with almost every country in the world recording cases of COVID-19. — from WHO at 08:26: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 09:33 |
| Joe | xrogaan: unsure i would assume defense forces ww2 was a very dark time. | 09:33 |
| Joe | tinwhiskers: cuomo the gov of NY state and NYC is asking for 39k ventilators ASAP | 09:34 |
| xrogaan | Joe: like Bill Barr wanting to "suspend" the constitutional rights? | 09:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, something doesn't seem right with that figure. | 09:35 |
| ryouma | (um fdr) | 09:35 |
| Joe | i know 70k vents are needed for only our two most dense areas... so that number is likely a typo? | 09:35 |
| tinwhiskers | It shows the ICU capability of the States is 14 per 100K and that you will need 230 per 100K | 09:36 |
| Joe | ya there will be no martial law in the US... martial law will lead civl war PDQ. | 09:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Which means you need about 200 times your current capability. | 09:36 |
| Joe | that's mor elike the figures i've seen tinwhiskers | 09:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Sorry, 16 times :-/ | 09:37 |
| ryouma | Joe: but ng will be accepted? like in new rochelle? | 09:37 |
| Joe | nah | 09:38 |
| tinwhiskers | I was an order of magnitude out :-) | 09:38 |
| Joe | that was a very very limited case | 09:38 |
| tinwhiskers | That seems extremely achievable | 09:38 |
| ryouma | i realize new rochelle is hardly redneck territory | 09:38 |
| Joe | what spin up enough icu beds? | 09:38 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 09:39 |
| Joe | ya if we have 3 weeks (so ive heard) we can ride a wave in on supplies | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:36 UTC: European markets jump after Fed stimulus, Italy virus slowdown; Stoxx 600 up 4%: European markets bounced Tuesday as investors react positively to the U.S. Federal Reserve's announced open-ended asset purchase program. — from WHO at 08:36: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/enEq1l | 09:39 |
| Joe | do we have 3 weeks... i hope so | 09:40 |
| Joe | italy modeling says no | 09:40 |
| Joe | only 2 weeks | 09:40 |
| tinwhiskers | well, sure... but in another 4 days you'll have more cases than China... depends what you expect at the end of that 3 weeks | 09:40 |
| Joe | well cases vs infirm vs inform critical is a better metric to go by | 09:41 |
| Joe | we have no idea what china was doing and what is accurate | 09:41 |
| tinwhiskers | approx the same number will need critical care | 09:41 |
| Joe | the number i've heard about 25% | 09:42 |
| tinwhiskers | well, you'll have more cases that what China reported anyway | 09:42 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: pretty sure the amount of cases in the US is already in the hundreds of thousands. | 09:42 |
| Joe | that's total speculation | 09:42 |
| tinwhiskers | 46000 confirmed cases now. China reports 81000 cases. In 4 days you will have more than that many confirmed cases. | 09:43 |
| tinwhiskers | You doubling rate is currently 2.5 days, so I'm being conservative | 09:43 |
| xrogaan | Joe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRCn5xPLCKs | 09:44 |
| Joe | but we will know very quickly, the current numbers don't reflect a true rise in cases, as we just (wtf have been doing) got testing online | 09:44 |
| tinwhiskers | right, they will likely be even higher | 09:44 |
| tinwhiskers | you are going to eclipse the 81000 cases China has reported in 4 days | 09:44 |
| Joe | again speculation | 09:44 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: only if you keep testing :P | 09:44 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. yeah | 09:45 |
| Joe | who knows... we tried not test hardly at all | 09:45 |
| Joe | only the infirm | 09:45 |
| tinwhiskers | well, you've managed to test at least 46K since you have that many confirmed cases :-) | 09:45 |
| Joe | lol | 09:45 |
| Joe | i think i read that was out of 250k tests | 09:45 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok | 09:46 |
| Joe | but someone is throwing around only a 7% positive test ratio | 09:46 |
| Joe | which seems not to bear fruit from days of tests vs cases | 09:46 |
| tinwhiskers | 18% positive. South Africa is only getting 10% positive so is probably testing more widely than you | 09:47 |
| tinwhiskers | (the only reason I mention them is it came up earlier and that's the only one I know) | 09:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Joe: it can be a bit murky because there are usually two tests per person | 09:48 |
| tinwhiskers | some countries report the number of people tested and some report the number of tests | 09:48 |
| Joe | ahhh thats a metric changer | 09:48 |
| Joe | i read the old test was 3 per too | 09:48 |
| tinwhiskers | so maybe you can divide yours by 2 making it 9% | 09:48 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. right | 09:49 |
| Joe | we are supposed to have a less intrusive test in the next few days.... | 09:49 |
| Joe | according to the politicians | 09:50 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, a few days is a very long time for the US right now :-( | 09:50 |
| Joe | ya no shit | 09:50 |
| Joe | i'm staying the house | 09:50 |
| Joe | lol | 09:50 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm just wandering around like normal | 09:50 |
| Joe | i very close to NYC so it's a little concerning | 09:50 |
| tinwhiskers | fair | 09:50 |
| Joe | i am^ | 09:51 |
| Joe | i think the airborne thing is a bit Quixotesse | 09:52 |
| Joe | but that would be a tragic error to make | 09:52 |
| tinwhiskers | Quixotesse? | 09:52 |
| ryouma | tilting at windmills to suggest that it is airborne? | 09:52 |
| Joe | Don Quixote the one who tilted at windmills | 09:52 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 09:53 |
| ryouma | you;'re saying it isn't, except for little droplets occasionally produced? | 09:53 |
| Joe | ryouma: there is no evidence i have seen in writing from multiple reputable sources. | 09:53 |
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| tinwhiskers | I'm with Joe on that | 09:53 |
| ryouma | memorable line in outbreak "it's airborne" | 09:53 |
| tinwhiskers | the only airborne element is droplets from coughs and sneezes afaik | 09:54 |
| Joe | correct other than exporated by the infected and the associated "hangtime" | 09:54 |
| ryouma | there are masks that can produce smaller droplets supposedly | 09:54 |
| tinwhiskers | however, that is bad enough. A poorly ventilated room can have air droplets persist for up to 3 hours from a single cough. | 09:54 |
| ryouma | exporated? | 09:55 |
| Joe | a real problem in healthcare...not in the wild | 09:55 |
| tinwhiskers | wait outside buildings and you're waaaay safer | 09:55 |
| Joe | indeed | 09:55 |
| ryouma | so i am living with my carer, who coughs and passes by frequently. i'd think that would be a problem even if she coughs in a different direction. no? | 09:55 |
| Joe | or how about i stay in this one | 09:55 |
| ryouma | especialllly if i have ac on etc. | 09:55 |
| Joe | she should be capturing coughs | 09:56 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: coughing in the other direction will save you from the bigger droplets but the small ones circulate in the room | 09:56 |
| Joe | and disposing of the capture posthaste | 09:56 |
| tinwhiskers | she should, as Joe says, be taking precautions | 09:56 |
| Joe | or reverse isolation | 09:57 |
| ryouma | i'm thinking try to take the valve masks we have and tape them on the inside. she won't remember to capture coughs most likely. | 09:57 |
| ryouma | we don't have surgical | 09:57 |
| ryouma | or non-valve | 09:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:49 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Ruby Princess passenger becomes Australia's 8th Covid-19 fatality: National cabinet to consider lockdowns of Covid-19 hotspots as government predicts at least 1 million people will need unemployment benefits. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 09:57 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: if you're able to open a window it's meant to help a lot. I don't know about AC. | 09:58 |
| ryouma | huh | 09:59 |
| tinwhiskers | airflow removes airborne droplets from the room | 09:59 |
| Joe | ryouma: just for perspective, this is less deadly than compromised influenza with pneumonia by almost 10 fold. Make no mistake this is very serious, and all steps for universal precautions should be taken. However there is far deadlier in common circulation. | 10:01 |
| tinwhiskers | I disagree | 10:02 |
| tinwhiskers | the rate of incidence of influenza with pneumonia is far lower | 10:02 |
| Joe | 9.6% mortality rate for influenza | 10:02 |
| ryouma | compromised means comorbidities? | 10:02 |
| Joe | correct | 10:03 |
| tinwhiskers | this is far more dangerous on average because of the higher case rate | 10:03 |
| Joe | oh i meant in his single case | 10:03 |
| tinwhiskers | you are at more risk of dying from this so lets not downplay the seriousness | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:01 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mattarella — from WHO at 09:01: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/8Bvppy | 10:03 |
| ryouma | she's not hygienic. chance of her getting it is ihgher than average person. | 10:03 |
| fritzien2 | there ist someone already infected here? | 10:03 |
| Joe | there is no reason to be insanely fearful, it's very serious tho. as i stated. | 10:04 |
| ryouma | fritzien2: not thast we know | 10:04 |
| fritzien2 | good morning | 10:04 |
| tinwhiskers | making favourable comparisons to flu is not the right message to send | 10:04 |
| fritzien2 | it would be interesting to have someone with the symptons! | 10:05 |
| tinwhiskers | that sort of message is exactly the sort of thing that makes a country's response fail. | 10:05 |
| Joe | i wasn't downplaying anything, with complications the same universal precautions for influenza are sufficient | 10:05 |
| ryouma | i really need to get my steroid inhaler so my lungs are better before beign exposed. something like 150usd though. | 10:06 |
| Joe | freedumb :( | 10:06 |
| tinwhiskers | I understand that but it's sufficiently complicated that it may appear you are saying the flu is more dangerous and that is something we are not doing here! even if it might just look like that message. | 10:06 |
| Joe | ok than i retract that | 10:07 |
| Joe | lets replay..... | 10:07 |
| Joe | ryouma: don't sweat it the same universal precautions you use are sufficient if you are vigilant in them. | 10:08 |
| fritzien2 | hi ryouma, dude i think if you are using an steroid inhaler, you shall avoid to all cost to get that virus! | 10:08 |
| tinwhiskers | anyway, gn all. | 10:09 |
| Joe | l8r | 10:09 |
| ryouma | i'm not using one atm, need to get it so i can get lungs a bit more normal | 10:10 |
| ryouma | (still need to find a detergent, have stuff disinfected routinely which, nothing ever gets cleaned, etc....................) | 10:11 |
| ryouma | anyway thanks for turning the conversation into more topical earlier | 10:12 |
| Joe | call the local pharmacy there is alot of spinup for covered healthcare...and your PCP there may be a free or low cost solution. | 10:12 |
| Joe | ya i repected that you had no desire for a pissing match and genuinely wanted to engage in conversation | 10:12 |
| Joe | thanks for pulling me away from proving a point to deaf ears. | 10:13 |
| ryouma | spinup? | 10:13 |
| Joe | money coming in for care | 10:13 |
| ryouma | you mean like my insurance is not going to try to screw me? i will try to get the prescription called in tomorrow. | 10:14 |
| Joe | ya. | 10:14 |
| ryouma | i think there is some otc inhaler out there, not sure | 10:14 |
| Joe | just for conversation where abouts are you? | 10:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:05 UTC: Mike Ashley's Sports Direct bows to pressure and closes stores: Shops including Evans Cycles join coronavirus lockdown after staff were initially told reverse — from WHO at 09:05: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/vhvqha | 10:15 |
| ryouma | sw us... much past my bedtime though. afk | 10:16 |
| Joe | nite | 10:16 |
| ryouma | thanks for conv. rsi and skleep0 deprivation cannot continue. | 10:16 |
| ryouma | gn | 10:16 |
| ryouma | afk | 10:16 |
| Biep[m] | <LjL "but maybe most of them won't rem"> We won't if you give us enough to drink.. | 10:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1068 cases (now 417901), +4 deaths (now 18036), +26 recoveries (now 105616) 🔸 Germany: +504 cases (now 29560), +3 deaths (now 126) 🔹 Afghanistan: +2 cases (now 42) 🔹 Argentina: +35 cases (now 301), +24 recoveries (now 51) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 12) 🔹 Australia: +163 cases (now 2136) 🔹 Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +7 cases (now 39) [... want %more?] | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Sports Direct abandons talk of opening stores as Gove clarifies scope of lockdown rules — from WHO at 09:24: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/yl2xvP | 10:28 |
| Biep[m] | <pagetelegram "HIV protein found in virus: http"> This says that ***no*** HIV protein was found. | 10:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Sports Direct abandons talk of opening stores as Gove clarifies scope of lockdown rules — from WHO at 09:39: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/yl2xvP | 10:46 |
| euod[m] | why are people trying to save their shitty companies. | 10:47 |
| euod[m] | sports direct? | 10:47 |
| euod[m] | literally go fuck yourselves, you're not important. | 10:47 |
| yuriwho | cannabis and liquor stores have been deemed essential services during the lockdown in Ontario Canada that starts at midnight 😜 | 10:50 |
| euod[m] | why wouldn't they be? | 10:51 |
| yuriwho | like soma for the masses | 10:51 |
| Biep[m] | <Brainstorm "metreo: Sorry, North Korea not f"> North Korea implemented lock-down way before Covid appeared, and it proved effective. | 10:51 |
| xrogaan | heh, NK didn't really have much of a choice. | 10:55 |
| euod[m] | they know how to do it foolproofly. | 10:56 |
| euod[m] | shoot anybody who crosses the border. | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia — from WHO at 09:53: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/2lLY09 | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Sports Direct abandons talk of opening stores as Gove clarifies scope of lockdown rules — from WHO at 09:53: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/yl2xvP | 11:02 |
| Biep[m] | <Joe "when did WHO declare it a pandem"> LONG after they warned it would become one if countries didn't take measures. | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1903 cases (now 420348), +122 deaths (now 18161) 🔸 Iran: +1762 cases (now 24811), +122 deaths (now 1934) 🔹 Brunei: +13 cases (now 104) 🔹 Burkina Faso: +15 cases (now 114), +2 recoveries (now 7) 🔹 Denmark: +22 recoveries (now 23) 🔹 Finland: +82 cases (now 782) 🔹 Palestine: +1 cases (now 60) 🔹 Russia: +6 cases (now 444), +3 recoveries (now 20) [... want %more?] | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Britain goes into lockdown; global cases surpass 382,000: The WHO has warned the coronavirus outbreak is picking up the pace, with almost every country in the world recording cases of COVID-19. — from WHO at 10:07: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live updates: PM to reveal new measures as experts warn of 50,000 cases by Easter – latest — from WHO at 10:13: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 11:18 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +626 cases (now 420974), +37 deaths (now 18198), +60 recoveries (now 105462) 🔸 Belgium: +526 cases (now 4269), +34 deaths (now 122), +60 recoveries (now 461) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123) 🔹 Austria: +74 cases (now 4742) 🔹 Brunei: +13 cases (now 104) 🔹 Burkina Faso: +15 cases (now 114), +2 recoveries (now 7) 🔹 Czechia: +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 11:21 |
| Biep[m] | %more | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | Biep[m], [...] 🔹 Denmark: +22 recoveries (now 23) 🔹 Finland: +82 cases (now 782) 🔹 Senegal: +7 cases (now 86) 🔹 Spain: +2 deaths (now 2318) → https://paste.ee/p/i5OGz | 11:23 |
| Biep[m] | %more | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | Biep[m], don't keep calling this if there's nothing to show! Check the pastebin. | 11:23 |
| Biep[m] | 👍️ | 11:23 |
| Biep[m] | On Matrix, it would make more sense to link to #covid-updates:matrix.org instead of pastebin. | 11:25 |
| astraliam[m] | %data italy | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | astraliam[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 63927 cases, 6077 deaths (9.5% of cases), 7432 recoveries as of March 24, 09:24Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:25 UTC: European markets jump after Fed stimulus, Italy virus slowdown; Stoxx 600 up 5%: European markets bounced Tuesday as investors react positively to the U.S. Federal Reserve's announced open-ended asset purchase program. — from WHO at 10:25: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/enEq1l | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:26 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live news: Gove not ruling out tighter lockdown as supermarkets police in-store distancing — from WHO at 10:26: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/yl2xvP | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +396 cases (now 421370), +8 deaths (now 18206), +11 recoveries (now 105473) 🔸 Switzerland: +322 cases (now 9117), +5 deaths (now 122) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Austria: +99 cases (now 4767) 🔹 Denmark: +22 recoveries (now 23) 🔹 Estonia: +3 recoveries (now 7) 🔹 Faeroe Islands: +4 cases (now 122) [... want %more?] | 11:36 |
| astraliam[m] | Italy didn't publish figures yesterday? | 11:38 |
| mefistofeles | astraliam[m]: they did | 11:39 |
| mefistofeles | astraliam[m]: if you are checking the offloop.net plots it'sa technicality, fwiw | 11:39 |
| astraliam[m] | ok, thanks mefistofeles . Look border line whether there is any slow down. Will the offloop.net update? | 11:44 |
| mefistofeles | astraliam[m]: sure, it should be fixed, it's probably a problem with the source changing some things | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: PM Scott Morrison announces new restrictions as experts warn of 50,000 cases by Easter – latest — from WHO at 10:38: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 11:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +4623 cases (now 425993), +378 deaths (now 18584), +439 recoveries (now 105912) 🔸 Spain: +4461 cases (now 39673), +378 deaths (now 2696), +439 recoveries (now 3794) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Austria: +99 cases (now 4767) 🔹 Bahrain: +13 cases (now 390) 🔹 China: +30 cases (now 81588) [... want %more?] | 11:51 |
| Quarantini[m] | %data Hong Kong | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | Quarantini[m]: In all areas, Hong Kong, there are 386 cases, 4 deaths (1.0% of cases), 102 recoveries as of March 24, 10:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hong%20Kong for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 3.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:42 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Tuesday: U.S. stock futures hit their 5% "limit up" levels Tuesday as top congressional and White House officials work to reach a coronavirus rescue deal. — from WHO at 10:42: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/lUQbWi | 11:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Sud Africa — from WHO at 10:58: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/aCJPwo | 12:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Politica — from WHO at 11:03: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/R1LYGa | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +209 cases (now 426202), +2 deaths (now 18586), +7 recoveries (now 105919) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Austria: +114 cases (now 4782) 🔹 Bahrain: +13 cases (now 390) 🔹 China: +30 cases (now 81588) 🔹 Hong Kong, China: +30 cases (now 386) 🔹 Denmark: +22 recoveries (now 23) [... want %more?] | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna — from WHO at 11:08: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/mMb9js | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Olimpiadi — from WHO at 11:12: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/FhwJp4 | 12:17 |
| mefistofeles | using zoom for online meetings/webinars is pretty good, tbh | 12:18 |
| mefistofeles | you need a paid account for more than 40mins meetings, sadly | 12:18 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 12:18 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 1529 cases, 37 deaths (2.4% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 10:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 12:18 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200323_37/ | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:17 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Britain goes into lockdown; global cases surpass 382,000: The WHO has warned the coronavirus outbreak is picking up the pace, with almost every country in the world recording cases of COVID-19. — from WHO at 11:17: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +99 cases (now 426301), +17 deaths (now 18603), +539 recoveries (now 106458) 🔸 Iran: +537 recoveries (now 8913) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Austria: +123 cases (now 4791) 🔹 Bahrain: +13 cases (now 390) 🔹 Cabo Verde: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 China: +30 cases (now 81588) [... want %more?] | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:31 UTC: Coronavirus updates live Australia: PM Scott Morrison announces new list of bans and business restrictions – latest: University experts warn of 50,000 cases by Easter and back stricter social distancing measures, as government lifts Centrelink mutual obligations. Follow all the latest Covid-19 news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Gl2igM | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | german numbers catch up the weekend backlog 2 088 2 967 2 993 4 528 2 516 2 509 4 183 1 094 | 12:39 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: what do yo mean? | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yesterday's 4 183 had delayed case reports from weekend | 12:40 |
| yuriwho | here's a terrific Canadian COVID tracking site put together by a solo citizen: https://virihealth.com | 12:42 |
| yuriwho | lots of good data there | 12:42 |
| yuriwho | https://virihealth.com | 12:43 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: woah, how does he even have that info in the first place? nice | 12:44 |
| oxalis | https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/24/820512107/man-dies-woman-hospitalized-after-taking-form-of-chloroquine-to-prevent-covid-19 | 12:44 |
| oxalis | PSA: Don't medicine yourselves. Let the professionals medicine you | 12:45 |
| sneep | Man, I kind of had a feeling there would be cases like that | 12:45 |
| yuriwho | mefistofeles: grabs it from each regional health department, another site uses the data to make a gis map here: https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/app/eb0ec6ffdb654e71ab3c758726c55b68 | 12:45 |
| mefistofeles | OK, Canada is pretty organized in this regard, apparently | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Germania — from WHO at 11:42: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/WGEx1L | 12:46 |
| yuriwho | mefistofeles: the person is a project manager, I donated $20 to them | 12:47 |
| sneep | Prisons don't seem that hard... Just don't let the guards leave the prison for a while. Sucks for the guards but better safe than sorry | 12:48 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: nice | 12:48 |
| yuriwho | the gis map has tons of info if you zoom in | 12:48 |
| mefistofeles | yuriwho: really really nice | 12:49 |
| mefistofeles | best one so far | 12:49 |
| CovBot | Hi, apologies for being offline for a while! I ran out of storage and crashed ☹︎. Peter's fixed me and added more storage so it shouldn't happen again. Unfortunately I may be offline for periods today until 5PM UTC due to ISP maintenance work of my network connection but everything should be online again after that. | 12:51 |
| Painter | They have several postal workers here that have tested positive for COVID-19 | 12:52 |
| Painter | Now not only are most people without work and unable to pay bills, they also can't look at the bills, because they are afraid to open mailboxes. | 12:53 |
| Painter | Sounds funny, but it's true | 12:53 |
| Birosso | Painter, where is "here"? | 12:54 |
| Painter | Canada | 12:55 |
| Birosso | Hmmm. | 12:55 |
| Painter | I think there were 10 postal workers who tested positive. | 12:55 |
| Painter | But...that being said, it's VERY hard to get tested here | 12:55 |
| Birosso | Lack of tests or restrictions from the government? | 12:56 |
| Painter | They have strict guidelines for who they will test. THey are only testing those who have traveled and have symptoms that are bad enough that they probably require hospitalization | 12:56 |
| Birosso | Ah. | 12:56 |
| Painter | Both | 12:56 |
| Painter | They have lack of tests, and only had 1 testing lab for it in the entire country (others are now able to test, but that only started happening in the last couple of days) | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no data for "hospitalized" for Germany :-/ | 12:57 |
| Painter | So because of those things, and how costly it is, they said no. | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I want data "available free beds with respirator / used by covid-19 patients" | 12:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus news: US could be next Covid-19 hotspot amid 'large acceleration' of cases, says WHO - live updates — from WHO at 11:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 12:57 |
| Painter | not testing most people...but lack of numbers being tested doesn't mean that we don't have a lot of people who are ill with it | 12:58 |
| yuriwho | Painter: link for the postal workers in Canada? | 12:58 |
| mefistofeles | Painter: yes, that's expected, the same situation is happening almost in every country | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | absence of evidence != evidence of absence | 12:58 |
| Birosso | DocScrutinizer05, don't know where you can find that, but the news are reporting that Germany is treating people from Eastern France. | 12:58 |
| Birosso | So I guess as of now there is still an abundance of beds. | 12:59 |
| Birosso | Or they're being very, very altruistic. | 12:59 |
| Painter | The government ordered I think another 1500 ventilators (respirators?) for the entire country. Worst hit areas will get more than less hit areas | 12:59 |
| mefistofeles | Birosso: also from Italy | 12:59 |
| Painter | Just a sec, I'll find one | 12:59 |
| Painter | It was only on the news last night | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, no abundance. The whole tale is anout "weneed more and we need to slow down the pandemia to a rate were we are fast enough building new ones" | 12:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about, even | 12:59 |
| yuriwho | here's what I found: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-post-employees-covid-1.5507388 | 13:00 |
| yuriwho | not post related | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I want to know not only how many new tested cases but obviously how many new severe cases and how many new beds compared to that | 13:01 |
| yuriwho | DocScrutinizer05: I bet the doctors would like that info too | 13:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 13:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:57 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Guido Bertolaso è positivo al virus — from WHO at 11:57: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/sl2XtB | 13:02 |
| Painter | 4:34 p.m. | 13:02 |
| Painter | Mail and parcels will not be delivered today and Canada Post says it will continue to evaluate the situation, with further updates to come. | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't be too hard to make all hospitals report daily | 13:02 |
| Painter | That's from this article: https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/the-latest-developments-on-covid-19-in-canada-18 | 13:02 |
| Painter | But that's not what I was reading last night. | 13:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but like a colleague said: "The answer may scare the public" | 13:02 |
| Painter | https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-post-covid-19-march-24-1.5507745 is another article...but still not what I read last night | 13:03 |
| yuriwho | FYI I'm in GTA-west Ontario, Quebec had a huge surge in cases yesterday and Canada added 1M in population last week with expats and snowbirds returning | 13:04 |
| yuriwho | many with COVID-19 | 13:05 |
| euod[m] | jesus that's a lot of people. | 13:05 |
| euod[m] | the whole, "return home to weather it out" thing is a disaster. | 13:05 |
| kreyren | There is a second death in czech republic and first as a result of covid-19, Patient male 45yo with advanced cancer. | 13:05 |
| yuriwho | yea 2.5% increase | 13:05 |
| euod[m] | it made the whole situation insanely worse. | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australian PM says 'stay at home' as coronavirus shuts down large sections of economy and social life — from WHO at 12:00: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/XW7WlF | 13:06 |
| Painter | https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/knock-drop-and-go-no-more-signing-for-canada-post-packages-at-the-door-1.4864864 is an article on how Canada Post is making changes because of COVID-19 | 13:06 |
| yuriwho | thats good IMO, not many porch pirates here | 13:06 |
| euod[m] | Painter: I liked how they dealt with it for me with age verification. guy dropped the package and yelled at me from his van "YOUR SIGNATURE LOOKS LIKE AN X RIGHT". and drove off. | 13:07 |
| Painter | The stupid thing that the government is doing in Canada isn't the part where they are allowing snowbirds to come home....it's that the only allow those international planes to land at 4 or 5 airports. If you get sent to BC on a plane, and you live in say ...Alberta, or Manitoba, you've got to buy another ticket, board a domestic flight and potentially expose all of the people on that second flight. | 13:08 |
| euod[m] | Painter: yeah, that they're running domestic flights normally at all is baffling to me. | 13:08 |
| euod[m] | good news is those tickets are cheap as hell. | 13:09 |
| eaxomar | That's insane. | 13:09 |
| euod[m] | heh ACTUALLY that's not right. still $500 from Vancouver to Montreal. | 13:10 |
| Painter | I mean, you can't exactly do social distancing on the international flights, so they have to do contact tracing on those flights if somebody has tested positive. Then, rather than contain those travelers right from the first airport, say in a hotel that was taken over and paid for by government, they let them fly closer to home, so they have to contact trace all of the people on the secondary flights | 13:10 |
| euod[m] | $200 in may though, that's the lowest I've ever seen. | 13:10 |
| Painter | They are making more work for themselves, because of the contact tracing, and extra exposures from not making it manditory that somebody leave right from flights to a quarantined space | 13:11 |
| euod[m] | just the whole flying thing exposes everybody. confined spaces, lots of shared surfaces, lots of mandatory contact. | 13:12 |
| Painter | Now they suggest (just started this in the last couple of days) that people go directly home from airports, rather than getting groceries and picking dogs up from kennels...but they weren't saying that before. | 13:12 |
| euod[m] | the idea that you're safer returning home than just staying put is crazy. if you wanted to do that, it had to be 2 months ago. | 13:12 |
| Painter | They are doing the "Just get home" from international locations because they want to close all borders to the country | 13:13 |
| euod[m] | the canadian border is effectively closed | 13:13 |
| Painter | Before three weeks ago, I don't think that I'd even heard of this virus | 13:13 |
| Painter | Yeah, it is now....except for allowing international travelers | 13:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:12 UTC: Britain goes into lockdown; Spain death toll jumps more than 500 in a day: The WHO has warned the coronavirus outbreak is picking up the pace, with almost every country in the world recording cases of COVID-19. — from WHO at 12:12: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/NW7zMo | 13:14 |
| euod[m] | seriously? | 13:14 |
| Painter | I don't know what's so hard for people to grasp about "Just stay home". | 13:14 |
| euod[m] | I'd love to live under whatever rock you've been hiding under :) | 13:14 |
| Painter | I was very ill and not listening to news. | 13:15 |
| Painter | I didn't think that I'd live a month ago | 13:15 |
| euod[m] | https://i.redd.it/xh0n6nl1hlo41.jpg it's pretty clear flights are super reduced. lots of airports look like this. | 13:15 |
| euod[m] | I'm not sure we even have anywhere to put all of the aircraft if they're grounded. during operation yellow ribbon (during 9/11 all planes ended up in Canada) they filled every single runway basically. | 13:16 |
| Painter | Yeah, that was pretty crazy...just surreal how well everybody was handling that. | 13:16 |
| euod[m] | https://i.pinimg.com/474x/db/aa/35/dbaa35905b910efb9b3cb7b8e1cd604a--canada-day-halifax.jpg like look at it. | 13:17 |
| euod[m] | wingtip to body, for the entire runway. | 13:17 |
| euod[m] | they must have had to be towed out of those positions too, the planes can't move their engines that close to one other. | 13:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:13 UTC: (news): Man dies after ingesting chloroquine in an attempt to prevent coronavirus — from WHO at 12:13: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/c6RoYy | 13:18 |
| Painter | People were sure scared, not understanding what was happening, stuck in some more remote places (Halifax/St. John's) and not knowing when they'd be allowed to return home. The people there took as good care of passengers as possible. | 13:18 |
| euod[m] | yep. | 13:18 |
| Painter | People took complete strangers into their homes, fed them meals, gave them free access to their phones | 13:18 |
| euod[m] | makes Trumps "the canadians have been taking advantage of us for too long" comment all the stupider. | 13:18 |
| Painter | Gave them free access to computers to contact family members who weren't able to use phones in the USA | 13:19 |
| Painter | Yup. Trump is so delusional. | 13:19 |
| Painter | It was like "Hey, we don't know you, but come to stay with us and we'll figure this thing out together as much as possible. Until then, drink tea (or something stronger), listen to our music, watch a movie with us, and hey, tired? I've got a couch for you to sleep on. We'll put supper on. Don't worry." | 13:20 |
| Painter | People were incredibly generous and kind. That's how it's supposed to be. | 13:21 |
| X-Scale | So, Japan is finally asking for the Olympic games to be postponed until 2021 | 13:22 |
| Painter | Making huge potluck meals to take to school gymnasiums that were taken over by cots for travelers who didn't get taken in by families. People just made big pots of food, and brought it to the gyms or cafeterias to serve. | 13:22 |
| Painter | Other countries praised Canada for their kindness...and Trump thinks that Canada takes advantage. | 13:23 |
| Painter | I think that's a great move, X-Scale | 13:23 |
| Painter | Canada said that they wouldn't participate even before Japan said it was postponed. Others probably quickly followed suit. It's definitely the right move | 13:24 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: did you get my direct messages? | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live news: calls for urgent help for self-employed as tighter lockdown could come in future — from WHO at 12:20: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/yl2xvP | 13:26 |
| kreyren | Czech government established new national TV channel for the elderly that broadcasts TV shows from 70s~90s https://www.facebook.com/ceskatelevize/videos/498159817736715/ | 13:26 |
| kreyren | This channel is expected to be cancelled after covid-19 outbreak | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:28 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Olimpiadi — from WHO at 12:28: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/2dBNdC | 13:30 |
| AimHere | Wait, is 'elderly' defined as people nostalgic for the 70s-90s in Czechia? | 13:31 |
| pagetelegram | Biep: their specimine was changed so they had to reflect that in their study. | 13:32 |
| kreyren | NYTimes seems to believe that sense of smell might be a clue to the infection https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-taste.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes, any peer review on their reasoning please? | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New cases surge in Spain; Olympics organizers agree to a delay — from WHO at 12:33: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 13:38 |
| yuriwho | kreyren: google ENT COVID-19 | 13:39 |
| yuriwho | and smell | 13:39 |
| kreyren | yuriwho, those seems to be doubtful sources, anything valid? | 13:40 |
| yuriwho | top hit on my google search with those terms is the original source: https://www.entuk.org/sites/default/files/files/Loss%20of%20sense%20of%20smell%20as%20marker%20of%20COVID.pdf | 13:42 |
| kreyren | yuriwho, thanks | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +697 cases (now 426998), +4 deaths (now 18607), +26 recoveries (now 106484) 🔸 Saudi Arabia: +205 cases (now 767) 🔸 Germany: +263 cases (now 30344), +19 recoveries (now 472) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +161 cases (now 4829) [... want %more?] | 13:51 |
| PottyTheShitter | after we fight off covid19 do we get immune antibodies | 13:51 |
| Biep[m] | And how long will immunity last. Lifelong would be good - but the virus will return in fresh variants anyway. | 13:53 |
| AimHere | Sure. But you may not be immune forever | 13:53 |
| AimHere | Flu is one case where your immunity lasts about a year | 13:53 |
| kreyren | Is there anyone here with covid-19 infection who can donate their point of view to https://www.entuk.org/sites/default/files/files/Loss%20of%20sense%20of%20smell%20as%20marker%20of%20COVID.pdf ? | 13:54 |
| PottyTheShitter | so for the time being i can be exposed to the virus fight it off, and wont have to wear a mask again or worry about hand sanitizer? | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:51 UTC: CDC says coronavirus survived in Princess Cruise ship cabins for up to 17 days after passengers left: The coronavirus survived for up to 17 days aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, living far longer on surfaces than previous research has shown, according to new data published Monday by the Centers for Disease [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IotzrC | 13:54 |
| AimHere | You might still be a fomite and be a passive vector between two people | 13:54 |
| python476 | guys | 13:55 |
| python476 | if you breath through a curved pipe with soapy water (or disinfectant) | 13:55 |
| redlegion | lol, python476 | 13:56 |
| python476 | would that filter or break down virus-large particle ? | 13:56 |
| redlegion | well played | 13:56 |
| LjL | ... you choke? | 13:56 |
| python476 | air bubbles through it | 13:56 |
| LjL | now sure how that'd work | 13:56 |
| python476 | s/now/not | 13:56 |
| LjL | yes | 13:56 |
| redlegion | python476: you would need an aspirator to ensure that the pockets of air were incredibly tiny in order to maximize surface area contact | 13:56 |
| LjL | damn i hate those two words | 13:56 |
| python476 | redlegion: true | 13:57 |
| redlegion | but that wouldn't work at all anyways, or it'd be incredibly ineffective compared to other existing methods | 13:57 |
| python476 | that was my next question actually | 13:57 |
| LjL | when i mix up things like now and not, also can and can't, that's when i'd almost rather speak french | 13:57 |
| LjL | or shoot myself in the head | 13:57 |
| python476 | redlegion: so I shouldnt go to the patent office.. /s | 13:57 |
| LjL | they're roughly at the same level of pleasantness | 13:57 |
| redlegion | python476: i'm pretty sure that's basically just a bong anyways, but with an aspirator at the intake end | 13:57 |
| redlegion | hmm | 13:57 |
| redlegion | I guess you might be able to patent it, lol | 13:58 |
| LjL | can you then add actual drugs to it? | 13:58 |
| LjL | legal drugs i mean of course | 13:58 |
| redlegion | loool | 13:58 |
| python476 | redlegion: yes I had this weird collision of ideas between chemlab and bong | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:53 UTC: Coronavirus deaths slow in Italy, while trade unions vow to strike: Italians woke up Tuesday with a glimmer of hope as the coronavirus death toll in the country appeared to have slowed down. — from WHO at 12:53: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/1RFOJX | 13:58 |
| LjL | hey i just wanted to say: my new old stock Walkman is my new best friend now | 13:58 |
| yuriwho | I'm sure bong respirators are growing in popularity during lockdown | 13:58 |
| LjL | it's not really new old stock though since it didn't come with a box, but it's so mint it might as well be | 13:58 |
| LjL | quarantine friend | 13:59 |
| c|oneman | what does it provide you with that your phone doesnt? | 13:59 |
| LjL | c|oneman, well my phone doesn't have autoreverse | 13:59 |
| c|oneman | I see | 13:59 |
| redlegion | python476: it's just problematic how small viruses are, and not only that but you'd have to exhaust CO2 reliably in this system as well, which I'm not sure what sort of backfeed valve might reliably allow that | 13:59 |
| c|oneman | I have a walkman that has 2 headphone jacks | 13:59 |
| LjL | c|oneman, that must be a relatively early one then | 14:00 |
| redlegion | at least in a safe manner, anyway | 14:00 |
| c|oneman | yeah | 14:00 |
| LjL | they dropped the 2 headphone jacks thing at some point | 14:00 |
| LjL | c|oneman, model? | 14:00 |
| LjL | but the real answer is that it provides me with the ability for my brain to fire up some neurons from my youth | 14:01 |
| LjL | which is especially pleasant at this particular time | 14:01 |
| LjL | and also with decent cassettes, it sounds pretty damned good for my simple ears | 14:02 |
| LjL | unfortunately many pre-recorded cassettes weren't very decent and are pretty much unplayable now | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:57 UTC: (news): New York, New Jersey coronavirus 'attack rate' is 5 times higher than rest of US, top official says — from WHO at 12:57: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/GGwf0R | 14:02 |
| python476 | redlegion: yeah one more lame hack that will be forgotten | 14:02 |
| c|oneman | http://www.pocketcalculatorshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/wm-f1-1.jpg | 14:03 |
| redlegion | python476: that's not to say the idea doesn't have merit. one idea can lead to another rather quickly. | 14:03 |
| python476 | redlegion: yeah if someone comes up with a simple enough fully sanitizing reusable breathing mask, the whole planet will be happy | 14:04 |
| redlegion | absolutely | 14:05 |
| python476 | related, study said N95 can be sanitized by heat (didn't see how many times) | 14:05 |
| LjL | c|oneman, does it work? | 14:05 |
| c|oneman | yeah Im pretty sure it does | 14:05 |
| c|oneman | I dontknow where my dad stashed it though | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +332 cases (now 427330), +10 deaths (now 18617), +10 recoveries (now 106494) 🔸 Portugal: +302 cases (now 2362), +6 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +171 cases (now 4839) 🔹 Bahrain: +13 cases (now 390), +1 deaths (now 3) [... want %more?] | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 13:00 UTC: I’m Joong Sik Eom MD, a physician treating COVID-19 patients at a hospital near Seoul. I serve on a team advising the South Korean government’s pandemic response. AMA.: Annyeonghaseyo, I’m Dr. Joong Sik Eom, infectious diseases physician and professor at the Gacheon University College of Medicine in Incheon, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HkGwsz | 14:06 |
| python476 | redlegion: I was also wondering if cyclonic separation would be feasible with virus bodies | 14:07 |
| LjL | c|oneman, doesn't look to be one of the most valued models... but it did go for respectable prices sometimes. few having been sold. https://is.gd/DwTXWm | 14:07 |
| python476 | but they might be so light it would be too difficult | 14:07 |
| redlegion | python476: that's a really interesting question. if you find any research on it, let me know. | 14:08 |
| python476 | I will be the man who puts a Dyson into every home for free | 14:08 |
| LjL | uhm Musixmatch emailed me saying that their Premium subscription is free for Italy now... shame i don't even remember what Musixmatch is | 14:08 |
| python476 | mothers everywhere will want to bear my childs | 14:08 |
| python476 | -s | 14:09 |
| LjL | python476, not mothers with any sense of grammar | 14:09 |
| PottyTheShitter | how will this pandemic stop? | 14:10 |
| python476 | you're underestimating the power of free Dyson devices | 14:10 |
| LjL | also i suppose that implies you're straight, too bad, i'd have born your childs | 14:10 |
| LjL | yes a free Dyson would make some people do anything admittedly | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New cases surge in Spain; Olympics organizers agree to a delay — from WHO at 13:06: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 14:10 |
| yuriwho | lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtwXqqc6g | 14:11 |
| yuriwho | %title | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From www.youtube.com: My Corona by Chris Mann - YouTube | 14:11 |
| LjL | yuriwho, you probably know and just forget, but you can just do %title URL also | 14:11 |
| LjL | lol | 14:11 |
| yuriwho | yea, I forget | 14:12 |
| LjL | what a face | 14:12 |
| LjL | somewhere between creepy and sexy | 14:13 |
| python476 | make %lol an alias to %title | 14:13 |
| LjL | okay | 14:14 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload title | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | SyntaxError: invalid syntax (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/title.py", line 1) | 14:14 |
| LjL | untrue! | 14:14 |
| LjL | or maybe true | 14:14 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload title | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'title' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/title.py'> (version: 2020-03-24 13:14:36) | 14:14 |
| LjL | %t | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.youtube.com: My Corona by Chris Mann - YouTube | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tokyo 2020 Olympics are delayed; new cases surge in Spain — from WHO at 13:11: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 14:14 |
| LjL | yuriwho, added this alias now | 14:14 |
| yuriwho | ty | 14:14 |
| python476 | yuriwho: that video is breaking my soul | 14:18 |
| python476 | it's very well done... but it's too soon too | 14:19 |
| LjL | we'll freeze it for posterity | 14:19 |
| yuriwho | here's another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xt58OVnmXU | 14:19 |
| yuriwho | %t | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From www.youtube.com: Stay Home Vogue (Vogue Corona Parody by Chris Mann) - YouTube | 14:20 |
| LjL | i like the other better | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2141 cases (now 429471), +128 deaths (now 18745), +285 recoveries (now 106779) 🔸 Netherlands: +811 cases (now 5560), +63 deaths (now 276) 🔸 Netherlands: +811 cases (now 5560), +63 deaths (now 276) 🔸 Germany: +305 cases (now 30649), +2 deaths (now 132), +277 recoveries (now 749) [... want %more?] | 14:21 |
| LjL | %cases netherlands | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Netherlands, there are 5560 cases, 276 deaths (5.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 24, 13:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 14:22 |
| python476 | so a virus is ~100nm and 10femtograms | 14:22 |
| LjL | that was about the same as me before i started putting up weight | 14:23 |
| python476 | on the internet, no one knows you're a lipid membrane | 14:23 |
| python476 | but, covid spread in aerosol droplets | 14:23 |
| LjL | ye | 14:24 |
| LjL | apparently | 14:24 |
| LjL | but also on surfaces, probably | 14:24 |
| python476 | true but that's a different problem | 14:25 |
| python476 | flu droplets are 300-1400nm (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4676262/) | 14:25 |
| python476 | not terribly better, not great | 14:25 |
| LjL | python476, it's airborne, it's contagious, we'll all get it, bye world | 14:29 |
| redlegion | python476: I like the way you think, friend-o. | 14:30 |
| python476 | I just have this dream of seeing everybody walking with DIY 3d printed snorkel dysonic mask | 14:31 |
| python476 | #fashion #dior | 14:31 |
| python476 | maybe a very thin heated pipe | 14:32 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +888 cases (now 430359), +3 deaths (now 18748), +9 recoveries (now 106788) 🔸 Germany: +611 cases (now 31260) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +171 cases (now 4839) 🔹 Bahrain: +13 cases (now 390), +1 deaths (now 3) [... want %more?] | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic at 13:37 UTC: The Kids Aren’t All Right: One of the lonely silver linings of the COVID-19 pandemic is that the disease doesn’t appear to be that bad for kids. Although children are certainly not immune, and a study of the outbreak in Wuhan indicates that infants are susceptible to severe complications, most healthy kids don’t [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pWnGM6 | 14:43 |
| the_owls_are_not | How does Brainstorm pull its data? It seems to be ahead of every other resource that I check? | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tokyo 2020 Olympics are delayed; new cases surge in Spain — from WHO at 13:42: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 14:47 |
| LjL | the_owls_are_not, it gets it from the site in the topic, offloop | 14:48 |
| LjL | it's run by a member of the channel here, he is on top of things | 14:48 |
| LjL | the site, not the bot, i run the bot | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Austria: +208 cases (now 4876) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +15 cases (now 87) 🔹 Bahrain: +13 cases (now 390), +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Brazil: +5 cases (now 1965) [... want %more?] | 14:51 |
| python476 | let's all thank the dudes running cyber attacks on hospitals right now | 14:51 |
| redlegion | eugh | 14:52 |
| redlegion | my girlfriend is a nurse practitioner | 14:52 |
| redlegion | she's in the thick of this crap right now | 14:52 |
| python476 | redlegion: where you at ? | 14:52 |
| redlegion | michigan | 14:52 |
| python476 | things are red already ? | 14:53 |
| redlegion | we're shelter in place, currently | 14:53 |
| yuriwho | %t baltimore is gonna be cray-cray: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488304-baltimore-to-stop-prosecuting-some-non-violent-charges-amid-coronavirus | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From thehill.com: Baltimore to stop prosecuting some nonviolent charges amid coronavirus outbreak | TheHill | 14:53 |
| python476 | I'd love to do give medical employees a hand | 14:53 |
| python476 | staying home is great to stop spread but it sucks seeing them in the field like that | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 13:52 UTC: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - March 24 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions — from WHO at 13:52: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/rNMCZ0 | 14:55 |
| synx508 | Seems to me that our response to this crisis is as good as it can be but might still kill a lot of us, even if the virus itself doesn't. Not a fun thought. | 14:56 |
| python476 | synx508: you mean economic fallout ? | 14:56 |
| synx508 | yes | 14:56 |
| bin_bash | idk where ytou live, but in the US it's certainly not as good as it could be | 14:56 |
| bin_bash | if we had real federal leadership then things would be different. can't believe i miss obama and bush and pretty much everyone since carter | 14:57 |
| bin_bash | hell even carter would probably be doing a better job | 14:57 |
| bin_bash | truly sad | 14:57 |
| redlegion | bin_bash: in watching the timeline of events, I've learned that the "small government" battle cry is about the saddest thing to put into practice. | 14:58 |
| redlegion | we're so screwed | 14:58 |
| synx508 | as good as it can be includes the constraints of leadership and ideologies etc. | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza — from WHO at 13:56: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/H8a4Ie | 14:59 |
| bin_bash | well in most cases small government works and is inherently better | 14:59 |
| the_owls_are_not | LjL: Very cool. I’ve been trying to find a virus api to make some programs with and none of them seem to be as current as what you got here. Kudos. | 14:59 |
| python476 | synx508: yes and economic paradigm | 15:00 |
| bin_bash | but only if there's strong federal leadership that knows how to balance it properly | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:00 UTC: European markets jump after Fed stimulus, Italy virus slowdown; Stoxx 600 up 5.7%: European markets bounced Tuesday as investors react positively to the U.S. Federal Reserve's announced open-ended asset purchase program. — from WHO at 14:00: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/enEq1l | 15:03 |
| the_owls_are_not | %cases us | 15:04 |
| Brainstorm | the_owls_are_not: In all areas, US, there are 46168 cases, 582 deaths (1.3% of cases), 295 recoveries as of March 24, 13:42Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 15:04 |
| synx508 | the market numbers don't really mean anything at the moment. The impact of the changes won't be reflected in the economic indicators for a while. As ever, sentiment is driving the numbers up and down, but reality will bite and that's when things will get unpleasant. Probably a month out from that, at least. | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:08 UTC: Coronavirus deaths slow in Italy, while trade unions vow to strike: Italians woke up Tuesday with a glimmer of hope as the coronavirus death toll in the country appeared to have slowed down. — from WHO at 14:08: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/1RFOJX | 15:11 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 15:15 |
| Jigsy | I'm watching the new episode of Better Call Saul. | 15:17 |
| Jigsy | Followed by Japanese studies. | 15:17 |
| mefistofeles | I just finished a meeting, was really boring | 15:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +228 cases (now 430664), +1 deaths (now 18754), +17 recoveries (now 106818) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +50 cases (now 4926) 🔹 Cambodia: +4 cases (now 91), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔹 China: +1 recoveries (now 73279) [... want %more?] | 15:21 |
| the_owls_are_not | Hahaha | 15:26 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: work meeting ? skype ? | 15:27 |
| mefistofeles | python476: yes and webex | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Nuovo decreto in arrivo — from WHO at 14:26: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/9GSJdx | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tokyo 2020 Olympics are delayed; new cases surge in Spain — from WHO at 14:28: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 15:32 |
| LjL | nuovo decreto in arrivo? again? | 15:33 |
| LjL | are we going to have two per day now | 15:34 |
| mefistofeles | is that bad? | 15:34 |
| LjL | should make a graph correlating doubling rate of the virus with doubling rate of the decrees | 15:34 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, yes, kind of | 15:34 |
| mefistofeles | why? I guess they are adapting fast, which is good imho | 15:34 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, every time they make one, they cause kneejerk reeactions of people hoarding supermarkets etc. they should do ONE GOOD ONE | 15:34 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, and also, they create lots of headaches for regular people. they have changed the form that we must fill in to show police that we have a good reason for being outside... i think we're at the 4th iteration now | 15:35 |
| LjL | many people don't even have printers ffs | 15:35 |
| LjL | each new decree, the form changes | 15:35 |
| mefistofeles | well, better they change that rapidly still | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +241 cases (now 430905), +9 deaths (now 18763) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +84 cases (now 4960) 🔹 Brazil: +2 cases (now 1967) 🔹 Cambodia: +4 cases (now 91), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔹 China: +1 recoveries (now 73279) [... want %more?] | 15:36 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, their first decree caused people to flee Lombardy and potentially cause many other clusters elsewhere | 15:38 |
| LjL | they should think these things through | 15:38 |
| LjL | do it once, do it well | 15:38 |
| Biep[m] | <bin_bash "well in most cases small governm"> There is a very simple criterion: is this a prisoners' dilemma? | 15:38 |
| AimHere | It's hard to predict what people will do in unprecendented circumstances | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | they don't and when they don't it's better they change quick, fwiw | 15:39 |
| mefistofeles | you cannot expect them to be less stupid now that there's a virus | 15:39 |
| AimHere | There's a lot of them, and they're roughly as smart as you are. You can't outthink 40 million people | 15:39 |
| mefistofeles | specially politicans | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tokyo 2020 Olympics delayed; New Mexico issues stay-at-home order — from WHO at 14:34: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 15:40 |
| LjL | AimHere, that's why you should consult sociologists and psychologists when you make these laws and before you announce them | 15:41 |
| mefistofeles | brb | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:43 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: La crescita in diversi paesi del coronavirus, a partire dalla prima giornata con 100 casi. — from WHO at 14:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/5c6CZF | 15:44 |
| bn_mobile | can someone explain to me what logical benefit these governmental curfew would provide? | 15:46 |
| bn_mobile | s/curfew/curfews/ | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | bn_mobile meant to say: can someone explain to me what logical benefit these governmental curfews would provide? | 15:46 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, well... it might be easier if you explain why you think they *don't* provide any benefit | 15:47 |
| mefistofeles | ↑ | 15:47 |
| LjL | since to me it seems rather obvious: they slow spread by lessening contacts | 15:47 |
| bn_mobile | I feel like if anything it would _increase_ interaction frequency because all schedules would now be forced to be synced | 15:48 |
| LjL | uh | 15:48 |
| LjL | because clearly we have ∞ hospital beds | 15:48 |
| LjL | right? | 15:48 |
| LjL | especially in ICU | 15:48 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: I didn't say that | 15:48 |
| LjL | well that's what would happen | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:45 UTC: (news): When will life return to normal? Health experts on a possible exit strategy to the pandemic — from WHO at 14:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/UBwJWX | 15:49 |
| bn_mobile | look at the logic of a X-Y PM curfew, it basically forces everyone into a specific schedule, now everyone's schedules are compressed to 9-6, 8-5, or whatever hours the local govt has set | 15:49 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, ah, well, that might be silly | 15:49 |
| LjL | i was equating curfew with lockdown | 15:50 |
| LjL | is this about India then? | 15:50 |
| bn_mobile | VS over 24 hours where the probability of interaction is more limited | 15:50 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: no, not India, but the same logic/question would apply there too | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my personal fav approach: if you want to stop X, forbid X and not Y | 15:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +261 cases (now 431166), +8 deaths (now 18771) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +95 cases (now 4971), +3 deaths (now 28) 🔹 Brazil: +2 cases (now 1967) 🔹 Cambodia: +4 cases (now 91), +2 recoveries (now 4) [... want %more?] | 15:51 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: Yesss | 15:51 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, well which places are having curfews like that? i've only heard the word being used for India, elsewhere there are lockdowns, that i know of | 15:51 |
| Poon_ | https://youtu.be/g6-o_hi8Huk | 15:51 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: like, am I missing something something here??? lol | 15:51 |
| Poon_ | anybody listen to this song? | 15:52 |
| python476 | DocScrutinizer05: my fav approach, to forbid X, pay everybody to do Y | 15:52 |
| bn_mobile | seriously, please if anyone has any thoughts in the logic of a curfew please enlighten me, lol | 15:52 |
| LjL | the one yuriwho linked is much better | 15:52 |
| python476 | bn_mobile: you thought about this more than me | 15:53 |
| livebrain | bn_mobile: ppl tend to go to bars at nigh and socialize ? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only legitiamte reason for a curfew: easier to enforce than a physical distance rule | 15:53 |
| LjL | i haven't thought of it at all because i hadn't heard of any country doing it | 15:53 |
| python476 | leaders go in stages toward hard measures | 15:53 |
| bn_mobile | livebrain: so ban that not set a dumb curfew?? | 15:54 |
| livebrain | here in portugal police had to intervine to close bars at night full of ppl | 15:54 |
| python476 | curfew first, then when people see it's not enough, lockdown | 15:54 |
| python476 | potentially going lockdown first could cause resistance | 15:54 |
| Zalyssa | bn_mobile: curfews work | 15:55 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: hmmmm, point taken, but I think most people would have a good incentive not to break a physical distance rule | 15:55 |
| Zalyssa | get those worms out | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bn_mobile: yes, seems to work fine in Germany | 15:55 |
| bn_mobile | clamping down will just cause civil disobedience, practice logic, not iron fists? | 15:56 |
| livebrain | germany has so few deaths, they are doing something right | 15:56 |
| bn_mobile | Zalyssa: "worms"? | 15:56 |
| Zalyssa | bn_mobile: brain worms | 15:56 |
| python476 | livebrain: close eyes | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you should keep the wider picture in fokus: when you shut down physical contacts 99%, the last 1% you can't enforce is still causing only 1% of the spread rate you had before you stopped 99% of physical contacts | 15:56 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: probably because most people in Germany are educated :) | 15:56 |
| python476 | so if you marry a german to a japanese you get a superhero | 15:57 |
| bn_mobile | Zalyssa: uh... oh k? | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: India — from WHO at 14:53: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/f3TnpS | 15:57 |
| LjL | Zalyssa, please don't be like that | 15:58 |
| LjL | if you have something to contribute, make it have content | 15:58 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: so now everyone is stuck at home in a high density multifam residential highrise/condo from 9PM - 6AM | 15:58 |
| Zalyssa | ljl: my contribution is the fight against misinformation! | 15:58 |
| dan- | misinformation sucks, good job Zalyssa | 15:59 |
| LjL | Zalyssa, well you fight misinformation with information, not with namecalling and no evidence of why the other person is being wrong | 15:59 |
| Zalyssa | I didn't call anyone names | 15:59 |
| bn_mobile | I think Zalyssa was just being cryptic, but still not sure what she meant | 15:59 |
| LjL | Zalyssa, effectively the same | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what makes no sense at all is a curfew but ask people to keep on going to work | 15:59 |
| LjL | "take those brain worms out" isn't exactly a compliment | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I call BS | 15:59 |
| LjL | you think curfews work, explain why | 15:59 |
| LjL | no need to invoke any brain worms | 15:59 |
| bn_mobile | python476: interesting you say that, I have a Japanese-German friend, very smart dev guy | 15:59 |
| Zalyssa | LjL: I'll leave that to learned colleagues such as yourself | 16:00 |
| dan- | I'm glad we have people like Zalyssa to combat dodgy misinformation | 16:00 |
| LjL | Zalyssa, well i do not think curfews work, so there is that | 16:00 |
| LjL | dan-, how sarcastic are you being? | 16:01 |
| dan- | do you not think curfews work? are you dumb? | 16:01 |
| LjL | i did mention the namecalling as not being okay | 16:01 |
| bn_mobile | hey hey, no need to fight, Zalyssa, can you explain what you meant by "misinformation"? what do you think is "misinformation"? | 16:01 |
| Zalyssa | LjL: let's start with why you think they don't work | 16:02 |
| Zalyssa | at least I've got slightly more respect for you based on what you've said in the past than others | 16:02 |
| LjL | you think something works, you provide positive evidence for it, not the other way around | 16:02 |
| Zalyssa | also again, I'm pretty sure that's not name calling | 16:02 |
| bn_mobile | Zalyssa: I just gave a reason why above | 16:02 |
| livebrain | theres alot of ppl that work outisde the curphew hours | 16:03 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: I think Zalyssa was just using a metaphor not an insult | 16:03 |
| livebrain | i mean supermarkets industry for example | 16:03 |
| bn_mobile | livebrain: yes! | 16:03 |
| LjL | Zalyssa, bn_mobile: "are you dumb?" is at the VERY least an ad hominem, and i'd say it's really also namecalling | 16:03 |
| livebrain | they drive trucks on the night, or early in the morning | 16:03 |
| livebrain | workers have to work really early also | 16:04 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: point taken | 16:04 |
| livebrain | and working at nigh = social distanting is better | 16:04 |
| livebrain | portugal is in "lockdown" but my wife now works only from 00:00 to 9:00 to limit the exposure | 16:05 |
| livebrain | a lockdown makes more sense, everyone that is not essential must keep at home | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: New York — from WHO at 15:02: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/E7Ixru | 16:06 |
| LjL | a lockdown definitely seems to make more sense to me than hours-limited curfews | 16:06 |
| LjL | although we had restaurants and pubs close at 18:00 for a period | 16:06 |
| LjL | that wasn't really a curfew, but dissuaded people to congregate for night eating and drinking | 16:07 |
| LjL | from congregating, i guess that is | 16:07 |
| bn_mobile | prisons: would covid-19 be a form of punishment? lol (sorry, dark humor) | 16:07 |
| LjL | but that was *together* with a (not very hard) lockdown | 16:07 |
| bn_mobile | define lockdown VS hours-limited? | 16:08 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, yeah it's not really any fun, we've already had riots in prisons, a bunch of people dying from... well, being stupid to be honest... and some 70 escapes | 16:08 |
| livebrain | lockdown = stay at home all the time if you dont work on essential services | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | curfews, if done and enforced strictly, are a superset of physical contact restrictions, so they obviously work for stopping physical contacts. (NOT social contacts hey! calling my friend on phone is social contact!) BUT... as I already said, when you want to stop X, forbid X and not Y. Unless Y is superset of X and there'S no hope whatsoever to get X working and enforced but Y is mich easier | 16:08 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: oh great, now convicts running around | 16:08 |
| BruntLIVE | NOT OVER!! Covid-19 needs your eyes, mouth and nose. Don't give in , FIGHT IT! Porn, shopping and Netflix will not make it go away. | 16:09 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, well isn't hours-limited what you're calling a curfew? i still don't know of any practical implementations in a specific country so i'm not exactly know what you're talking about. but you said precisely that a curfew "compresses" people's schedules, so i assume that means a curfew is sort of like a lockdown but instead of being day-long, people just can't be outside at certain hours | 16:09 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: If everyone is locked up to begin with, wouldn't they have been safest, assuming limited guard interaction? | 16:09 |
| bn_mobile | lockdown = so 24-hr curfew? | 16:10 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, in which case, a curfew is, to me, as flawed as our (reversed, because bad) reduction in public transport frequency: if you STOP public transport, that's one thing (and i wish we did that), but if you REDUCE the frequency, there will just be more people crammed into that one bus / train | 16:10 |
| livebrain | i mean the virus doesnt have work hours lol | 16:10 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, the assumption of limited guard interaction doesn't tend to hold true. anyway, the riots in our prisons started (although i hear that might have been an excuse, they were already complaining) after our first lockdown law forbade any visits to prisoners. of course that's for their health... but they were mad at that | 16:11 |
| livebrain | it can still infect ppl during the day light | 16:11 |
| BruntLIVE | really | 16:11 |
| BruntLIVE | day walkers | 16:11 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: yes | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: ((reduced freq, higher number of ppl / train)) exactly what I shaoted out loud when they told Berlin had been able to go from 5(?) to 10min train freq | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouted* | 16:13 |
| contingo | does anyone in UK / London know of a number separate from general Met Police to report serious breaches of new measures?? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idiots | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tokyo 2020 Olympics delayed; New Mexico issues stay-at-home order — from WHO at 15:10: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 16:14 |
| livebrain | portugal reduced the freq of public transportation | 16:14 |
| livebrain | because the demand dropped by 80% | 16:14 |
| livebrain | so they reduced by 60% i think | 16:14 |
| livebrain | amd public transportation here is almost empty all the time | 16:15 |
| LjL | India is locking down, Modi is going to speak, or, more likely, has already spoken to the nation (and I missed it) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | livebrain: particularly for the Berlin subway and urban trains that perfectly isolate the driver from contacts | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: ^^^ | 16:15 |
| livebrain | that way they can rotate workers | 16:15 |
| livebrain | if they need to keep some quarantined | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instead they reduce number of trains and leave the drivers at home, what a bullshit | 16:16 |
| LjL | livebrain, i understand they'll lose money if buses are half empty | 16:16 |
| LjL | but buses NEED to be mostly empty | 16:16 |
| LjL | if that's too much of a financial burden, then *shut transport down* | 16:16 |
| livebrain | here STCP the company that operates in Porto | 16:16 |
| livebrain | is public funded | 16:16 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: you raise some very valid points, can you elaborate on the "easier to enforce" part re. your comment earlier about curfews? | 16:16 |
| livebrain | they are not even chargin tickets to ppl | 16:16 |
| livebrain | you can take the bus/metro for free | 16:17 |
| livebrain | but the lockdown reduced alot the ppl on the streets | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they lose money all the time, and right now our government implemented rules to pay wages for everybody, it makes no difference when they let the drivers stay at home, they get paid anyway | 16:17 |
| livebrain | the problem is not the worker DocScrutinizer05 | 16:18 |
| livebrain | but business owner has alot of losses | 16:18 |
| bn_mobile | aren't public transport quasi-govt entities? | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:16 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Kate Hinds su Twitter: "Says new projects suggest the number of new hospital beds needed could be 140k (previously 100k). "We haven't flattened the curve, and the curve is actually increasing."" — from WHO at 15:16: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/BBaj3A | 16:18 |
| livebrain | bn_mobile: STCP is funded my gov, but not all are | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bn_mobile: I didn'T suggest a curfew would actually be easier to enforce. I just said it would be the only valid argument for preferring curfew over a general physical contact restriction, IF they could prove that it's the only way or at least much much better than the latter | 16:19 |
| livebrain | inter cities buses usually are 100% private | 16:19 |
| livebrain | at least in portugal | 16:19 |
| livebrain | 1this will suck hard for businesses owners of self-employed | 16:20 |
| livebrain | and freelancers are doomed | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2536 cases (now 433702), +9 deaths (now 18780), +3 recoveries (now 106821) 🔸 US: +2552 cases (now 48720), +6 deaths (now 588) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +95 cases (now 4971), +3 deaths (now 28) 🔹 Brazil: +2 cases (now 1967) [... want %more?] | 16:21 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: "only legitiamte reason for a curfew: easier to enforce than a physical distance rule"? [sic] meaning... authorities are just _claiming_ it's easier to enforce? | 16:21 |
| LjL | now sure if right now or recorded a few minutes ago, but Modi is announcing lockdowns at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsQRVYSO6GQ | 16:21 |
| LjL | %title | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.youtube.com: 🔴 LIVE PM Narendra Modi Speech On Corona Virus - YouTube | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tokyo 2020 Olympics delayed; New Mexico issues stay-at-home order — from WHO at 15:19: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 16:22 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: I mean just because curfews are in place doesn't mean crime doesn't happen from 9 PM - 6AM | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bn_mobile: sorry, that was a little ambiguous - wasn't meant to suggest it actualy WAS a legitimate reason | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bn_mobile: our authorities don't claim that yet, and have no real curfew | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was so afraid they would do, but they didn't, last weekend | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I was surprised they grew a brain | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's a LOT of people who fal for this fallacy that to enforce xyz you need to forbid x* | 16:25 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: right, I think we are in agreement. Was trying to figure out if that's what you meant their logic was. Alas, too late over here :( | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | over where? | 16:25 |
| bn_mobile | Atlanta + Dekalb county | 16:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:21 UTC: (news): When will life return to normal? Health experts on a possible exit strategy to the pandemic — from WHO at 15:21: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/UBwJWX | 16:26 |
| LjL | 21-day lockdown in the whole of India | 16:27 |
| BruntLIVE | who is the nastiest country? | 16:28 |
| bn_mobile | DocScrutinizer05: the only (erroneous?) "logic" I see is them thinking is that having people at home from "9-6PM" (for ex) = "less night shift police needed to patrol streets" ... BUT probably more staff needed for domestic violence? LOL | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York cases soar to over 25,000, White House set to acquire thousands of test kits — from WHO at 15:28: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 16:31 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: wait, what? 24hrs? | 16:31 |
| darsie | Hmm, https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria says we have the same amount of cases as "yesterday", 3244. | 16:31 |
| darsie | Did we stop testing? | 16:32 |
| darsie | Or is there a bug? | 16:33 |
| AimHere | darsie, maybe that website stopped updating. worldometer puts Austria at 5010, 536 up on yesterday | 16:33 |
| gildarts | Some data sources only update a few times a day or less. | 16:34 |
| Jigsy | The good thing about being in lockdown is I don't have to bother shaving for three weeks. | 16:34 |
| Jigsy | Maybe more. | 16:34 |
| python476 | https://stratechery.com/2020/compaq-and-coronavirus/ | 16:34 |
| Jigsy | One less pain in the ass. | 16:34 |
| ubLIX | slippery slope, Jigsy | 16:35 |
| oriba | What is the false positive / false negetive rate of the tests which are used for detecting corona virus? And how to apply the numbers to testing strategy? | 16:35 |
| Jigsy | I doubt me and a beard go together, though. | 16:35 |
| oriba | s/negetive/negative/ | 16:36 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: What is the false positive / false negative rate of the tests which are used for detecting corona virus? And how to apply the numbers to testing strategy? | 16:36 |
| jacklsw | those who died after recovery | 16:36 |
| jacklsw | or re-infected | 16:36 |
| jacklsw | can we call it false recovery? | 16:36 |
| python476 | Jigsy: my beard is killing me, and I lost the trimmer psu #SOS | 16:37 |
| python476 | I'll have to hack a voltage divider over usb power bank #mcgyver | 16:37 |
| BruntLIVE | https://www.wsj.com/articles/starbucks-reopens-stores-in-china-11582819262 | 16:37 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | India is lucky to have very sensible government at this time. | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:36 UTC: (news): 'Troubling and astronomical' coronavirus cases increase urgency for hospital beds, New York Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 15:36: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wY2mcf | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bn_mobile: ack | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually our police here is almost bored right now, nothing happens ;-) | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even less crimes | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly even our burglars have a few brain cells here ;-) | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and, a very personal subjective impression - I think everybody in Germany is proud we're all acting so smart | 16:45 |
| BruntLIVE | Guests at Trump National Golf Club disco party get coronavirus https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-24/coronavirus-trump-national-golf-course-birthday-party | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgq0rnIR7g&feature=youtu.be Psychiatrist On Trump’s ‘Dangerous’ Response To Coronavirus Crisis | The Last Word | MSNBC | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *WTF* really | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York cases soar to over 25,000, India locks down its 1.3 billion people — from WHO at 15:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 16:47 |
| merethan | Eclipse of netBeans? | 16:50 |
| merethan | Oops wrong channel | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +393 cases (now 434095), +107 deaths (now 18887) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 5) 🔹 Australia: +8 cases (now 2144) 🔹 Austria: +134 cases (now 5010), +3 deaths (now 28) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +3 cases (now 153) [... want %more?] | 16:51 |
| sneep | DocScrutinizer05: What about this guy? :p https://www.dw.com/en/german-man-licks-ticket-machine-to-spread-coronavirus/a-52887069 | 16:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:52 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Gualtieri: 'Più risorse per il sistema sanitario nazionale' - Economia - ANSA — from WHO at 15:52: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/Ur2x30 | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | idiot, you wind them everywhere | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find* | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few idiots are on the last remote island. Odds are when one person is on i | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it, it's the idiot | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the difference is how society deals with them. Shoot, hospitalize, imprison, ignore, laugh? | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my answer to >>*COUGHCOUGH* CORONA!!<< is >>:pssssshhht: PEPPER SPRAY!<< | 16:59 |
| BruntLIVE | yikes | 17:00 |
| BruntLIVE | run yall | 17:00 |
| BruntLIVE | i farted to combat it | 17:01 |
| BruntLIVE | farts kill corona | 17:01 |
| BruntLIVE | lol jk | 17:01 |
| euod[m] | it’s surely going to crack 500k today | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2601 cases (now 436696), +170 deaths (now 19057) 🔸 United Kingdom: +1342 cases (now 8077), +85 deaths (now 422) 🔸 United Kingdom: +1342 cases (now 8077), +85 deaths (now 422) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Algeria: +34 cases (now 264), +2 deaths (now 19) [... want %more?] | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito — from WHO at 16:06: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/y37hvM | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 44% of infection transfers happen when the "donor" has absolutely no symptoms yet! Virus gets spread up to 3 days before symptoms kick in | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is highly relevant for everybody to understand | 17:10 |
| LjL | bn_mobile: what when did I day 24h? | 17:10 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: I think most here are now sort of aware it can spread asymptomatically or at least with very minor symptoms, but where do you get 44%? | 17:11 |
| bigfoot[m] | Decathlon Diving Mask for ventilating COVID-19 Patient -> https://www.isinnova.it/easy-covid19-eng/ | 17:16 |
| BruntLIVE | Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine by Writing Prescriptions for Themselves and Their Families. https://www.propublica.org/article/doctors-are-hoarding-unproven-coronavirus-medicine-by-writing-prescriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: Dr Dorste, RKI | 17:23 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: I don't believe I did get them | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the point being the virus spreads up to 2 or 3 days prior to *any* symptoms, no matter how severe those symptoms develop when they kick in | 17:24 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: the point is taken, but we're interested how you came to the figure of 44%. | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, Charité not RKI | 17:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:23 UTC: (news): 'Troubling and astronomical' coronavirus cases increase urgency for hospital beds, New York Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 16:23: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wY2mcf | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://mediandr-a.akamaihd.net/download/podcasts/podcast4684/AU-20200324-1336-0000.mp3 | 17:29 |
| python476 | i'm all clean and shaved, ready to not go out and not flirt with strangers ! | 17:29 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: ah. Does it come from a research paper beyond that podcast? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, he analyzed some studies by colleagues | 17:30 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: is it written up anywhere? | 17:31 |
| tinwhiskers | i.e. published or in pre-print? | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a transscript is allegedly available after a few hours (it's a daily recurring publication) | 17:32 |
| tinwhiskers | So no respect paper? | 17:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Err research paper | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Study from Hong Kong | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://mediandr-a.akamaihd.net/download/podcasts/podcast4684/AU-20200324-1336-0000.mp3 23:05 | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York cases soar to over 25,000, India locks down its 1.3 billion people — from WHO at 16:29: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 17:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Sorry, I can't actually listen to that. I'm wondering if you know the source of the information from which the 44% is derived. | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bioarchive or medarchive preprint server | 17:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Sigh | 17:35 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll take that a no then | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Study originating in Hong Kong. Sorry he doesn't tell more | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't help it | 17:35 |
| tinwhiskers | "No" would have saved a lot of time | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +699 cases (now 437395), +29 deaths (now 19086), +6 recoveries (now 106827) 🔸 US: +535 cases (now 49255), +28 deaths (now 616) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Algeria: +34 cases (now 264), +2 deaths (now 19) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 5) [... want %more?] | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no to what? | 17:36 |
| tinwhiskers | To knowing the source | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know the source: a study originating in Hong Kong Dr Drosten found on bioarchive or medarchive preprint server | 17:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok... | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:33 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conferenza stampa 24 marzo 2020 ore 18.00 Protezione Civile — from WHO at 16:33: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/gohCeK | 17:37 |
| LjL | thanks Brainstorm for reminding me | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | My pleasure... | 17:38 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: the thing is actual papers estimating the prevalence of asymptomatic cases is difficult to find so I was interested in seeing the paper, hence asking if you knew the source paper. You don't know it. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 29:30 "44% area under curve" | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is NOT about asymtomatic cases! | 17:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Again, that is not the paper from which the 44% come from | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point why I emphasize it | 17:41 |
| tinwhiskers | [05:09:33] <58afb3DocScrutinizer05> 44% of infection transfers happen when the "donor" has absolutely no symptoms yet! Virus gets spread up to 3 days before symptoms kick in | 17:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:38 UTC: Coronavirus testing: What is the UK government's plan?: The government aims to reach 25,000 tests a day. At the moment only hospital patients are being routinely screened. — from WHO at 16:38: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/bkL2pW | 17:42 |
| tinwhiskers | I give up | 17:42 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks for the interesting statistic you got from "the internet" though | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: you complete lost me | 17:42 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, he's asking you for a link to the paper | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you seem to suffer a severe case of misunderstanding, I "got this" from a TV broadcast, an interview with Dr Drosten | 17:43 |
| LjL | looks like they're changing the fines for violating lockdown in Italy from "€200 or 3 months in jail" to "between €500 and €4000", and also making YET ANOTHER decree that abrogates and incorporates all of the previous ones, while changing them in various as-of-yet-unclear ways | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I linked to that interview several times now, gave the exact time of stream when he explains the 44% | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quoted it... | 17:44 |
| tinwhiskers | ... | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | explained what bhe said where from he got that bdata | 17:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm through with this, if you still have questions, please ask Dr Drosten | 17:45 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, tbf, "no" wouldn't have been the correct answer to "does it come from a research paper?" if it DOES come from a research paper, and he just doesn't know which | 17:45 |
| tinwhiskers | No, I don't know, then | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:40 UTC: (news): DC closes nonessential businesses, joining growing list of states and cities tightening restrictions amid coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 16:40: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nx0aFk | 17:46 |
| LjL | this channel is not wikipedia. we're allowed to report things as we hear in the news or interviews with doctors, experts etc... | 17:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, and it's ok to just say you don't know as well | 17:47 |
| tinwhiskers | I wasn't criticising the info. I was genuinely interested in knowing the source but was getting frustrated at what seemed to be evasiveness. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and to sum it up again so nobody gets it wrong: you can run around perfectly healthy feeling and infect a few dozen people for up to 3 days, tzhen sysmtoms kick in at you and you die from the virus. The infection spreading starts before you notice ANY symptoms, no matter how severe the symtoms develop | 17:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Details of massive stimulus bill emerge as US cases top 46,000 — from WHO at 16:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 17:50 |
| yuriwho | I just did a literature scan and posted the latest articles re new treatments/clinical trials and other stuff of interest to the lay audience in #coronavirus. LjL you may want to look and select those relevant to highlight here as well | 17:50 |
| LjL | okay, thanks | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +960 cases (now 438355), +27 deaths (now 19113), +66 recoveries (now 106893) 🔸 US: +339 cases (now 49594), +6 deaths (now 622), +66 recoveries (now 361) 🔸 Germany: +731 cases (now 31991), +17 deaths (now 149) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) [... want %more?] | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:49 UTC: (news): 'Troubling and astronomical' coronavirus cases increase urgency for hospital beds, New York Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 16:49: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wY2mcf | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the *maximum* number of infections observed in that study happened 0.5 days *before* the "donor" noticed first symptoms | 17:54 |
| ubLIX | DocScrutinizer05: which study? | 17:55 |
| LjL | yuriwho, that's a lot of links... i opened them all but i guess i'll read them after today's press conf which should begin shortly. is there anything about "<yuriwho> Advil = Motrin = Ibuprophen ..... tylenol = paracetamol = acetaminophen"? that's where my backscroll starts (also "=" in what way? i thought at least ibuprophen and acetaminophen had very different side effect profiles) | 17:55 |
| tinwhiskers | He doesn't know | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the one Dr Drosten talked about | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see backscroll | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://mediandr-a.akamaihd.net/download/podcasts/podcast4684/AU-20200324-1336-0000.mp3 | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 23:05 | 17:56 |
| Jigsy | https://www.theguardian.com/global/2020/mar/24/police-leaders-say-enforcing-uk-lockdown-may-be-impossible | 17:56 |
| Jigsy | They didn't even last a day. | 17:56 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: it's referred to in a podcast but the actual paper is unknown | 17:56 |
| Jigsy | %title | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.theguardian.com: Police leaders say enforcing UK lockdown may be impossible | Global | The Guardian | 17:56 |
| LjL | this is not inconsistent from previous studies i've been exposed to, which also claimed that the most infectious phase was very close to the early symptoms, and after 10 days most people were no longer even infectious | 17:56 |
| ubLIX | hrm | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: unknown to you since you don't care searching for it | 17:56 |
| bobfett1 | %title | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | bobfett1: From www.theguardian.com: Police leaders say enforcing UK lockdown may be impossible | Global | The Guardian | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite obviously known to the Charite medical Doc Mr Drosten | 17:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Sure | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Details of massive stimulus bill emerge as US cases top 46,000 — from WHO at 16:55: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 17:58 |
| oriba | Jigsy: it may take some days to sink in.... in germany it was similar... it took some days until people realized it's not a joke... | 18:00 |
| LjL | Today's Civil Protection press conference in Italy is starting now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEEYxhaMcV4 and I'll attempt to translate | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:57 UTC: /u/slakmehl: UK asks for 250,000 volunteers to help its health service cope with the coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 16:57: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/OMeUi9 | 18:02 |
| Jigsy | The cynic in me thinks the UK should call in the army and implement a "shoot to kill" policy. | 18:02 |
| oriba | tinwhiskers: what's with your fallback data-sources? can't you correct the (just again) JHU failure? | 18:02 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) Good evening everyone. Today's bulletin. | 18:03 |
| LjL | Recoveries: +894, total 8326 | 18:03 |
| LjL | New cases: +3612, total 54030 | 18:03 |
| LjL | Of these, 28697 are self-isolating, and 3993 are in ICU (6%) | 18:03 |
| LjL | We sadly see +743 deaths. | 18:03 |
| AimHere | Yikes. Nasty death spike | 18:04 |
| LjL | I'd like to end this press conference, for what concerns me, by wishing Guido Bertolasio my best wishes as he has been hit by the coronavirus. | 18:04 |
| LjL | I'll let Franco speak now. | 18:04 |
| LjL | (Franco) I also wish Dr Bertolaso the best. | 18:04 |
| tinwhiskers | oriba: the other sources are only single points for the latest values, and don't have time-series data so they can't correct a value from a previous day. I'm hoping JH will fix this latest grievous error and it will come right. | 18:05 |
| LjL | I'd like to summarize three points: the duration of containment measures, because on some media there were "news" that let people interpret them as being continued by default until the end of July. | 18:05 |
| LjL | Absolutely not. The current expected duration of containment measures is April 3, and in the days immediately previous to that we will decide whether or not to continue. | 18:05 |
| LjL | Secondly, I'd like to say how much is being done to provide valid treatment to the sick. | 18:06 |
| bin_bash | valid treatment? | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +330 cases (now 438685) 🔸 Luxembourg: +224 cases (now 1099) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Algeria: +34 cases (now 264), +2 deaths (now 19) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 5) 🔹 Armenia: +14 cases (now 249), +2 recoveries (now 4) [... want %more?] | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 23 Marzo — from WHO at 17:04: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/HMSiZO | 18:06 |
| LjL | Three aspects of that: first, the agreement protocol between the Latium region and the Ministries of Research and Health, to plan towards developing and validating clinically a vaccine that would be able to provide protection against SARS-COV-2. | 18:07 |
| LjL | This will be an important step underlining the effort of all of the country's institutions towards finding the most appropriate responses. | 18:07 |
| LjL | Second, about offering the best therapeutic solutions, the AIFA agency is still, with a valuable effort, evaluating all the proposals coming in. | 18:07 |
| LjL | And what they have identified as the course for submitting clinical protocols, and transferring of them to a single national committee, has the purpose to make approval of therapeutic protocol faster. | 18:08 |
| LjL | We have reached timing that was unimaginable before. | 18:08 |
| LjL | So having a single committee is an element of strength, and not a bottleneck like some said. | 18:08 |
| LjL | Rather, a reflection can be made on compassionate use: clearly, that will be evaluated by local ethical committees. | 18:09 |
| LjL | Third reflection: the workers who are able to diagnose this infection, by March 20 they have been increased by (or to?) 77, and there is an evaluation right now for diagnostic approach, still based on identifying the viral DNA, which is the "golden standard", which may let the times to test shorter. | 18:10 |
| LjL | This also tells you how the "country system" is doing its best to respond to the diagnostic question as quickly as possible. | 18:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:07 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: AGGIORNAMENTO 24/03/2020 ORE 17.00 POSITIVI AL nCov. Regione i 7 7 Totale | DIMESSI/ casi Ricoverati | Terapia Isolamento cuariti |PECEUT! cota | TAMPONI 6 ale a 7 attualmente con sintomi| intensiva | domiciliare Lombardia 9711 1194 8963 30.703 | 76.695 Emilia Romagna 2974 291, 4406 9.254 | 33.527 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nvyntL | 18:11 |
| LjL | Last though for today, let me have it be about all the doctors and nurses working in contact with these patients. They are an extraordinary example of solidarity within this country, some of our colleagues have lost their life to save as many as possible. | 18:11 |
| LjL | The thought of all Italians goes to them, as does my dearest memory and thanks. | 18:11 |
| LjL | Thanks to everyone. | 18:11 |
| tinwhiskers | (except those breaking the lockdown rules) | 18:12 |
| LjL | Question: Dr Borrelli, based on your statement, as reported in today's interview, the situation about new cases isn't really what we discuss today at 18:00 every day, but really of more than 600000 people, much more than exponential! My direct question, what are we here talking about these data at all, if they are not the real data?! | 18:12 |
| LjL | [wow] | 18:12 |
| LjL | Absolutely... my answer was within a more ample discussion, when we were talking about asymptomatic people. There are various ideas on that. Some people think it's more, some it's less. I didn't say that's the exact number. It's empirical, coming also from my collaborators, among three of them we found positive asymptomatics, for example. | 18:13 |
| LjL | We stop the conference here because at 18:20 the President of the Council of Minister will speak. | 18:14 |
| LjL | Thanks. | 18:14 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:14 |
| LjL | whoooooopos | 18:14 |
| LjL | another address to the nation | 18:14 |
| LjL | he really likes to do them | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:10 UTC: (news): 'Troubling and astronomical' coronavirus cases increase urgency for hospital beds, New York Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 17:10: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wY2mcf | 18:15 |
| LjL | back to Civil Protection | 18:18 |
| LjL | --- | 18:18 |
| LjL | ?! | 18:18 |
| contingo | ? | 18:18 |
| LjL | I will try to explain what Dr Borrelli said, in a correct way, but: what comes to be as being identified by the tests is symptomatic/somewhat-symtpmatic patients | 18:19 |
| LjL | There is a concrete possibility... but it's hard to establish the order of magnitude of asymptomatic patients who "escape" identification. | 18:19 |
| LjL | So, whether it's 2x, 4x, 10x, that's much harder. | 18:19 |
| LjL | Certainly there is a portion of subjects, not patients since they are asymptomatic, which could have the virus in their throat but do not get identified. | 18:19 |
| LjL | Second question --- no we must end no. | 18:20 |
| LjL | [the hell do they have for timing?] | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +5276 cases (now 443961), +743 deaths (now 19856), +894 recoveries (now 107787) 🔸 Italy: +5249 cases (now 69176), +743 deaths (now 6820), +894 recoveries (now 8326) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Algeria: +34 cases (now 264), +2 deaths (now 19) [... want %more?] | 18:21 |
| oxalis | %cases Texas | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: In Texas, US, there are 627 cases, 6 deaths (1.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 17:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:22 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giuseppe Conte su Twitter: "A breve terrò una conferenza stampa per aggiornarvi su quanto deciso dal Consiglio dei Ministri… " — from WHO at 17:22: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/3wLJP2 | 18:23 |
| iz | %cases usa | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, US, there are 49594 cases, 622 deaths (1.3% of cases), 361 recoveries as of March 24, 17:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:24 |
| iz | so 83391 tests done in the usa so far, so like 60% of those tested are positive | 18:25 |
| LjL | I believe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CunTSqcmvuM will have the Prime Minister's press conference, although it looks like... they're themselves searching for it on the government's website? :\ | 18:26 |
| LjL | or his facebook page, gah | 18:26 |
| LjL | ever heard of a thing called public television | 18:26 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Details of massive stimulus bill emerge as US cases top 46,000 — from WHO at 17:24: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 18:27 |
| tinwhiskers | iz: I heard some numbers yesterday that put it at 18% of tests in the US were positive | 18:27 |
| iz | maybe a lot of ppl are counted as having coronavirus that weren't tested? otherwise, i don't see how that is possible | 18:28 |
| iz | https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html | 18:28 |
| tinwhiskers | Hrm | 18:28 |
| iz | 18% of 83391 is 15k | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wild musing, please don't listen: seems to get more reliable that case numbers in germany changed from exponential rise to a linear increase of ~3000 per day during last 4 or 5 days. Assuming this to validate, and a (arbitrary guessed) factor of 5% of cases getting severe symptoms that need hospitalization for (again arbitrary guessed) 30 days, we need a Intensive Care capacity of 3000 * 0.05 * 30 = 4500 beds | 18:29 |
| iz | that would mean over 30k ppl in the usa are counted as positive for coronavirus who were never given tests | 18:29 |
| iz | gotta be bigger than 18% of those given tests | 18:30 |
| tinwhiskers | iz: note that each person submits two (or three) specimens, so this is not people tested | 18:30 |
| IronY | I'll chill in here :D | 18:31 |
| iz | well, that makes it even worse then | 18:31 |
| yuriwho | good to see you here IronY | 18:31 |
| tinwhiskers | iz: heh | 18:31 |
| IronY | yuriwho: Cottage life still going well? | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:26 UTC: (news): 'Troubling and astronomical' coronavirus cases increase urgency for hospital beds, New York Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 17:26: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wY2mcf | 18:31 |
| IronY | After trumps statement yesterday, I am starting to think I need to get as far away from the american border as humanly possible | 18:32 |
| yuriwho | I'm back at home, my wife is 'essential' and I am trying to get funding for a vaccine project | 18:32 |
| AimHere | iz, people have more than one test; someone hospitalized and discharged probably has at least two tests done. I suspect that on the face of it, one or two of those figures are misattributed. Maybe it's 83391 people tested, rather than 83391 tests | 18:32 |
| IronY | yuriwho: Save the world man so I can tell my friends and family the guy on irc saved the world and I knew him before he was cool | 18:32 |
| yuriwho | heh, if nothing we will learn more | 18:33 |
| iz | maybe, but either way, 49594/83391 is a pretty huge percentage | 18:33 |
| iz | it's gotta be people tested | 18:33 |
| iz | if it's 2 tests per person, that would be over 100% :b | 18:34 |
| euod[m] | yeah. | 18:34 |
| euod[m] | thing is, people can be tested this week and be positive next. | 18:34 |
| iz | yeah, but that lag effect makes it even worse | 18:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Several countries also include not-diagnostic confirmations in their stats. China changed to doing that accounting for the big spike, and NZ is also doing that. Maybe in the US some confirmed cases are based on pathology rather than pcr. | 18:35 |
| IronY | tinwhiskers: I believe one of our provinces just did that | 18:35 |
| IronY | yuriwho: Correct me if I am wrong, but that is what accounted for Qubecs race to the top | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Sembra che la Conferenza Stampa sia in ritardo. Appena disponibile il live-stream ufficiale ve lo condivido — from WHO at 17:31: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/f4ft30 | 18:35 |
| iz | yeah, that's all i can think of, but even if half of that 43k are like that, it's still a huge percentage of those tested being positive | 18:35 |
| AimHere | Is this 83391 the correct figure? Might it be ten times that? | 18:36 |
| yuriwho | I think so, Quebec is really behind on testing | 18:36 |
| iz | that's the cdc's official number as of march 24th | 18:36 |
| AimHere | It does seem awfully low, even taking into account the US being criticized for not enough testing | 18:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, well they are mostly only testing people with symptoms so you'd expect it to be fairly high | 18:36 |
| yuriwho | Canadian COVID stats: https://virihealth.com | 18:36 |
| iz | yeah, 60% seems reasonable actually to me | 18:36 |
| aradesh | what's the corona news guys? | 18:36 |
| iz | b/c we are just testing those who have had symptoms now | 18:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 18:37 |
| LjL | --- | 18:37 |
| iz | it's not like a random sampling of the population | 18:37 |
| LjL | In our Coucil of Ministers we deliberated a decree. | 18:37 |
| IronY | 5.3%, ouch | 18:37 |
| euod[m] | there was some country doing that. | 18:38 |
| LjL | It this phase of emergency, I have to make a premise, we had no plans for a contingency as this in our laws, so we had to adopt very specific measures, keeping the epidemiology under account. | 18:38 |
| aradesh | i noticed that 2 more died from the cruise ship, so that's 10/712 now | 18:38 |
| euod[m] | actual random testing of the population. | 18:38 |
| LjL | This gave us a flexible tool, as everyone now knows, that lets us "dose" the containment measures depending on the diffusion. | 18:38 |
| IronY | %data cruise ship | 18:38 |
| iz | in california they did a few random tests like that to try to find "community spread" | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Cruise Ship, there are 712 cases, 10 deaths (1.4% of cases), 587 recoveries as of March 24, 17:10Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Cruise%20Ship for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 1.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 18:38 |
| AimHere | iz, maybe it's that the CDC aren't the only organizations testing; there's a whole lot of state and maybe even private orgs testing folk and they're not counted in the CDC figures | 18:38 |
| tinwhiskers | euod[m]: Iceland i think | 18:38 |
| LjL | With this particular decree, we now regulated exactly and transparently the relationship between government and parliament. | 18:38 |
| AimHere | iz, that's one theory | 18:38 |
| iz | AimHere: they are counted in those numbers | 18:38 |
| LjL | So each decree the government adopts will have to be sent to the Presidents of the House and Senate. | 18:38 |
| LjL | Periodically, we will refer, every 15 days, through a delegate, to Parliament. | 18:39 |
| iz | they breakout those tested by the CDC and those tested by other labs in the usa | 18:39 |
| LjL | This will allow Parliament and the people to continuously follow the measures being adopted, and the instruments we have for reactin.g | 18:39 |
| yuriwho | I need to go shopping at non-essential businesses before the lockdown, ttyl | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Messaggio del presidente del consiglio Conte (ore 18.20) - YouTube — from WHO at 17:38: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/bqx0R3 | 18:39 |
| IronY | yuriwho: can you name one buisness thats non essential | 18:39 |
| IronY | in that list :P | 18:39 |
| iz | oh, it's actually 83391+4651 | 18:40 |
| iz | 88042 total cases tested | 18:40 |
| LjL | Other significant aspects are: 1) we regulated the government-region relationships: we allow the region governors to adopt more restrictive measures if they find it required, and obviously, there is still coordination with our government measures. | 18:40 |
| iz | first number us public health labs and the second by the cdc itself | 18:40 |
| IronY | yuriwho: the list basically reads 'if ur unemployed / a teenager - stay home', everyone else, have a great day at work | 18:40 |
| LjL | Finally, we introduced a fine that may vary between €400 and €3000, similar to the fines we get when we violate traffic rules. | 18:40 |
| iz | so like 56% of those tested were positive | 18:41 |
| LjL | So, in addition to the penalties there already were, we add this administrative fine. | 18:41 |
| LjL | I am proud of the reaction of our fellow citizens: they are respecting the rules and recommendations, the police forces are verifying this with attention, but I must say that the vast majority of citizens are complying, despite new living habits. | 18:41 |
| IronY | LjL: So is this somewhat a good thing, the fact they do not need to be so reactionary they can actually go through the normal governing processes | 18:42 |
| LjL | This makes us all proud, since as I said from the start, we must all do our part to face this emergency and come out winning, and get up and running again as soon as possible. If we all respect the rules, we both keep our beloved ones safe, as well as everyone else. | 18:42 |
| LjL | Unfortunately I am again seeing a draft, which has now been superseded, of our decree we made today. Please completely discount this draft. | 18:42 |
| LjL | But I need to say that there was debate on whether the emergency has been declared until later in July: not true, absolutely. When we adopted the initial measures, we decided that the state of national emergency right after the WHO announced an epidemic of global character. | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Consiglio dei Ministri n. 38, conferenza stampa del Presidente Conte - YouTube — from WHO at 17:40: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/LFTK4s | 18:43 |
| LjL | We declared that as valid for 6 months, but that does NOT mean that the restrictive measures themselves will continue that long. | 18:43 |
| LjL | That is the emergency period, but we are always ready, as soon as possible, to relent and even remove these restrictions. | 18:44 |
| LjL | We are hopeful that we can even go back to our life habits, or even better ones. | 18:44 |
| LjL | I am convinced that this hardship we are facing will make us better, as it's the time when we all, I included, are thinking about our own lifestyle and moral values. | 18:44 |
| LjL | This is the chance to have thoughts that we are usually too busy to stop thinking about. | 18:45 |
| LjL | From this point of view, unfortunately, we have more time to ponder. | 18:45 |
| LjL | I think we will get teachings from that. | 18:45 |
| LjL | Now I'll ask our journalists to...? | 18:45 |
| LjL | Question: (remotely) You have clarified what I wanted to ask, the thing about the July date, whether it would be a plausible end time... so let me go on, in the decree you just approved, are there those norms about seizing cars and motorbikes if people violate the norms? Was this done in agreement with the regions so that they stop enacting their own special rules? | 18:46 |
| LjL | Answer: Sorry I "burned" your first question, but I'll clarify once more: the date of July 31 is not the end date for the restrictive measures, which we hope to cancel much sooner. That is the end of the national emergency adopted on January 31. | 18:47 |
| LjL | About sanctions... the fine, as I said, is €400-€3000, but in case the violation was committed while using a vehicle, it will be 1/3 higher, but that will be it. | 18:47 |
| LjL | There is no seizing of the vehicle. | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:44 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conte annuncia un nuovo DPCM che prevede — from WHO at 17:44: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/ngBYFr | 18:47 |
| LjL | As to regions, we gave ourselves a mechanism that's based on regions, in particular healthcare is: we are making a large effort to make the health structures stronger, but since the regions are responsible for it, we can only proceed with their agreement; but when it comes to restrictive measures, that must come from the central state, to avoid confusion in people. | 18:48 |
| LjL | So we're allowing the regions to adopt more stringent measures but only in case they are specifically warranted. | 18:49 |
| LjL | [okay...] | 18:49 |
| LjL | Question: (remote connection doesn't work)... the bargaining with the Unions, I'm asking whether | 18:49 |
| LjL | --- connection cut | 18:49 |
| tinwhiskers | So there could be vehicles seized... | 18:49 |
| LjL | they cut straight to the weather forecast | 18:50 |
| LjL | i don't even | 18:50 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, no, it was something that was in the leaked draft, but in the final version they took that out | 18:50 |
| LjL | and replaced it with a bigger fine | 18:50 |
| tinwhiskers | [06:49:06] <9d54b3LjL> So we're allowing the regions to adopt more stringent measures but only in case they are specifically warranted. | 18:50 |
| LjL | --- going back to the stream available elsewhere | 18:50 |
| LjL | Question: would a strike jeopardize the availability of essential goods? | 18:51 |
| IronY | we are already doing vehcial seizures | 18:51 |
| IronY | if u go to a provincial park (closed) | 18:51 |
| tinwhiskers | IronY: really. Where's that? | 18:51 |
| IronY | u will 100% have your vehnical taken from you | 18:51 |
| IronY | tinwhiskers: A few canadian provinces | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1253 cases (now 445214), +11 deaths (now 19867), +2400 recoveries (now 110187) 🔸 Veneto, Italy: +443 cases (now 5948), +24 deaths (now 216), +54 recoveries (now 381) 🔸 Toscana, Italy: +238 cases (now 2699), +20 deaths (now 129) 🔸 Piemonte, Italy: +654 cases (now 5515), +59 deaths (now 374) [... want %more?] | 18:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy deaths jump by 743 in a day, details of massive stimulus bill emerge — from WHO at 17:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 18:52 |
| IronY | tinwhiskers: It is not a new thing for our vehicals to be impounded and siezed , for example if go fishing without a liscence, they can take the boat, and the truck you towed it with | 18:52 |
| python476 | another hike in the woods | 18:52 |
| LjL | Answer: the doors to the relevant ministries are always open, I work with them on a daily basis, and it's the government's responsibility. We cannot introduce methods where we "co-decide", this is the time when we discuss, even more closely in this time of emergency, but when we adopted a restrictive law we discussed with the Unions, but that said, we are still working with them because it's normal it can happen, to decide to close whole departments of | 18:52 |
| LjL | companies, ... | 18:52 |
| tinwhiskers | IronY: same where I come from. $10k fine and vehicle seized | 18:52 |
| python476 | nature disrupted ecology industry by making us walk 20x more in nature with zero investments | 18:52 |
| LjL | Italy never faced such a situation, with hindsight, we could have all done better, but each one will propose a different solution, not a single one will have everyone agree. | 18:52 |
| LjL | So the Unions have not always been happy with our choices. | 18:53 |
| LjL | It's complicated because the supply chains are very integrated, and if we eat today some food from a supermarket, there is a polystirene box where this food is, there is a label, so you see how many productive activ--- | 18:53 |
| LjL | cut again | 18:53 |
| LjL | --- | 18:53 |
| python476 | LjL: the irony here is that, just like our immune system, the next time we'll react quicker | 18:53 |
| python476 | but right now we're confused and slow | 18:54 |
| LjL | this is ridiculous | 18:54 |
| LjL | i can hear single words and then the stream gets cut | 18:54 |
| LjL | and the TV is just broadcasting other things now | 18:54 |
| LjL | --- This is for the gas stations too. I trust that we will guarantee provision of all essential services | 18:54 |
| python476 | do you guys think we should have all got thermometers and share google maps trips so that datacenters could compute clusters rapidly ? | 18:55 |
| LjL | Question: I want to ask: Dr Borrelli today suggested that one person out of ten is positive to the virus, and we could trace them via their phone, to prevent infections...? | 18:55 |
| LjL | Answer: this refers to discussions within the scientific community, on a worldwide level, it's hard in every country to get the exact number of people infected, because there may be many without symptoms who don't know about it, and it's hard to have an exact number, and I assume this is what Borrelli stated. But the debate is open. | 18:55 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: are you thinking of having an integrated thermometer in each person sending data to Google? :-) | 18:56 |
| LjL | Your PM is not a scientist or virologist, so I can answer: until now, we've always followed, especially when there was direct relevance, the recommendations of our scientific committee. | 18:56 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: slight exageration but that's the gist of it | 18:56 |
| LjL | We embraced them, at the very moment they suggested a way to proceed efficiently, with testing etc, and we never failed to heed their recommendations. | 18:56 |
| python476 | I'm a bit numbed by how blurry data is, our slow it flows, how partial.. | 18:56 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: i think everyone should buy a thermometer if they don't have one | 18:56 |
| LjL | There is no reason now to change our method for counting the infected or our guidelines for testing. | 18:56 |
| LjL | We have a line of the utmost rigor and the utmost transparency. | 18:57 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: well, each household anyway | 18:57 |
| python476 | netflix knows more about the world index fingers in an hour than my country about contagion | 18:57 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: yeah | 18:57 |
| LjL | Italians love their freedom, their democracy so much........... | 18:57 |
| LjL | We must also preserve the health of workers, too, so that's why we agreed to an anti-contagion protocols. | 18:58 |
| xrogaan | This is techdirt, so probably biased. Anybody know if the article has any truth? https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200323/17334844155/why-is-fda-giving-potential-covid-19-treatment-orphan-status.shtml | 18:58 |
| python476 | as a sad critic of web2.1 I can only rant even more how none of the absurdly powerful capabilities we have came to the rescue | 18:58 |
| xrogaan | %title | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.techdirt.com: Why Is The FDA Giving A Potential COVID-19 Treatment 'Orphan' Status? | Techdirt | 18:58 |
| LjL | About gas stations, Minister De Michelis will make an ordnance regulating the opening hours to ensure petrol availability over the whole country. | 18:58 |
| python476 | and to an extent, a lot of hospitals had capacity problems during the crysis | 18:58 |
| python476 | the resources are spread badly | 18:58 |
| LjL | If I have to say so: I don't think it'll be necessary, but at this time, it's clear we must attend in every possible way to ensure the essential activities continue working. | 18:58 |
| LjL | [he's saying he may requisition petrol...?] | 18:58 |
| python476 | 400k reached I see | 18:59 |
| LjL | Question: can the regional presidents give their powers to the central government? Could you not ask them to renounce some powers? | 18:59 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: yes, remdesivir is a candidate but it's still unknown how well it works | 18:59 |
| LjL | To make everything more transparent as you said. | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:56 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The United States is currently experiencing the most rapid growth in confirmed cases at this point in it's outbreak of any country on earth. — from WHO at 17:56: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/rlPZ38 | 18:59 |
| LjL | Answer: Dr Cusani, since the very first day we attended to our relationships with the local governments in every way, I personally and Minister Boccia, and I think that is the best way. We cannot think of having an authoritarian intervention from the central government. | 19:00 |
| LjL | First, because abstractly and concretely we prefer the way of cooperation: we're asking all citizens to cooperate, so we'd give a bad example if we do not cooperate. | 19:00 |
| LjL | There is also a more practical reason: since healthcare is managed by regions, having the state substitute itself to those powers suddenly would be something very unhelpful. | 19:01 |
| LjL | To speak of one aspect, all the information they have is not what we can have at a centralized level. | 19:01 |
| LjL | They know the territories, the hospitals, so we must work with them. | 19:01 |
| LjL | This way of proceeding is giving results, do mind! | 19:01 |
| LjL | With such an acute phase of emergency, we can say that we already converted 78 hospitals into "COVID hospitals", we moved 58 patients in ICU from Lombardy to other regions, we moved ICUs in Italy in a few days from 5000 to 8300. | 19:02 |
| LjL | About sub-ICU units, we moved from 6525 to 26169! | 19:02 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: the whole orphan thing, I mean, a gambit to get a ton of money? | 19:02 |
| LjL | So there are results. We are living a dramatic situation, but we are reacting usefully, compared to the explosion of this eppidemic. | 19:02 |
| LjL | Question: [inaudible] | 19:03 |
| LjL | Answer: I heard nothing, so please repeat your question. | 19:03 |
| LjL | [Ooookaaaaay] | 19:03 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: maybe because they will probably give up their exclusive rights to it so it's effectively like a small market to them | 19:03 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: so perhaps they will be compensated for giving the rights away. | 19:04 |
| LjL | Question: Good evening Mr President, we are in an emergency, in the eyes of all Italians are the images of what's happening in the hospitals. Quoting your words, you begged Italians to respect the restrictions. Since there are reports from the South that the restrictions are not being respected, are you thinking of deploying the army? | 19:05 |
| LjL | Answer: We are already using the army. It's because first of all, there is medical personnel from the military that we are employing where the biggest crisis is, and which move depending on necessities. | 19:05 |
| LjL | We are also using the army to patrol with the existing "safe street" army units, converting them for respecting these laws. We have all the instruments to enforce the rules. | 19:06 |
| LjL | But citizens must not think that right now, public order is based on militarization: the police forces are already being effective, and public order is guaranteed. | 19:06 |
| LjL | --- real end | 19:06 |
| LjL | this was pretty awful, with all the journalists talking (or not) from remote | 19:07 |
| tinwhiskers | That one was a bit of a mission | 19:07 |
| LjL | i may have missed important parts | 19:07 |
| LjL | there are some worrying implications | 19:07 |
| LjL | all that stuff about petrol | 19:07 |
| LjL | although it's not like we can use cars to go much of anywhere | 19:07 |
| tinwhiskers | At least it wasn't one of Trump's two hour ones I guess. | 19:07 |
| LjL | Yeah it wasn't so much repetition this time, just technical difficulties at all levels | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy deaths jump by 743 in a day, global cases top 400,000 — from WHO at 18:04: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 19:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Mmm | 19:08 |
| LjL | and Rai2 just automatically cutting the speech into the weather report | 19:08 |
| LjL | that was... something | 19:08 |
| blkshp | %data uk | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | blkshp: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 8077 cases, 422 deaths (5.2% of cases), 135 recoveries as of March 24, 18:03Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 19:10 |
| blkshp | %data shropshire | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | blkshp: Sorry, shropshire not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 19:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Block shop! | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:07 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Shimon Prokupecz su Twitter: "50 thousand According to CNN Health’s tally of US cases that are detected and tested in the United States through US public health systems, there are at least 49,070 cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States. 624 people have died." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/qve1Ou | 19:12 |
| blkshp | God they let anyone in here don't they ;) | 19:12 |
| tinwhiskers | There's no regional data for uk blkshp | 19:12 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, the UK has some | 19:12 |
| AimHere | https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 | 19:12 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: oh, I mean from the bot | 19:12 |
| blkshp | Well that's an unaceptable stand point, i wish to speak to the manager. | 19:12 |
| blkshp | MANAGER :P | 19:13 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: if you know of any time-series data sources for the uk I'm happy to add it in | 19:13 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, that's the UK government dashboard, I don't know if it has a friendlier link to source data | 19:14 |
| blkshp | Thankyou aimhere | 19:14 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: I'll see if I can get the time series data out of it | 19:14 |
| blkshp | tinwhiskers: are you like,,, in charge ;) | 19:14 |
| tinwhiskers | No | 19:15 |
| ubLIX | Bilk shop! 2 bilks pls | 19:15 |
| blkshp | :D:D | 19:16 |
| LjL | Whew, so, https://dpaste.org/0CeX is today's press conference from the Italian Civil Protection AND the Italian Prime Minister later, all in remote, full of transmission being cut off: https://dpaste.org/0CeX | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:14 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Hamza Shaban su Twitter: "India orders a "complete" coronavirus shutdown for its 1.3 billion people for at least 21, days starting tonight: — No travel — Shops, offices, markets and places of worship closed — Buses/metros suspended — Only essential services operational https://t.co/cYo0c3QaT3" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hozUMT | 19:16 |
| Sarcastro | my cat is my weakest link as far as social distancing goes | 19:18 |
| bin_bash | i'm finding it hard to feel badly about the idiots who took a bunch of chloroquinine because of anything trump said | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +598 cases (now 445812), +17 deaths (now 19884), +16 recoveries (now 110203) 🔸 US: +435 cases (now 50029), +14 deaths (now 636), +7 recoveries (now 368) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Algeria: +34 cases (now 264), +2 deaths (now 19) 🔹 Andorra: +31 cases (now 164) [... want %more?] | 19:21 |
| Raf[m] | %data New York | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | Raf[m]: In New York, US, there are 15793 cases, 117 deaths (0.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 18:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:22 |
| kreyren | Why can't you extract white blood cells from a healty invidual and give them to the covid-19 patients? | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA — from WHO at 18:21: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/jVovve | 19:24 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: you can but it may take a lot of recovered patients to get enough; something we will soon have plenty of. | 19:26 |
| dunnp | white blood cells from someone else would attack you | 19:27 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: it's not a sure thing as I understand it but it's being tested | 19:27 |
| tinwhiskers | They take it from plasma | 19:27 |
| dunnp | can take antibodies | 19:28 |
| tinwhiskers | The antibodies, that is | 19:28 |
| bin_bash | blkshp: if anything it's just natural selection lol] | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:25 UTC: Gov. Cuomo says New York needs ventilators now, help from GM, Ford 'does us no good': The state has about 3,000 to 4,000 ventilators on hand and has purchased about 7,000 more, but it needs a minimum of 30,000 additional ventilators within the next two weeks when the outbreak is expected to peak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AoQbcC | 19:28 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i meant basically a blood plasma given to the patients with the infection so that it would introduce a "clean blood" to support the immune system for the patients in critical state | 19:29 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: a blood transfusion? | 19:30 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, +- yes assuming that we can put "something" to the donor's blood to help the patient with the illness. | 19:31 |
| kreyren | else just blood transfusion should have a positive effect on the patient right? | 19:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh. The virus mostly exists in your lung tissue so a blood transfusion won't remove it but you might get some antibodies if the donor had recovered from the virus | 19:31 |
| kreyren | ah i see | 19:32 |
| blkshp | stories.amazon.com free books for kids but free books ffor adults in there too. | 19:32 |
| blkshp | stories.audible.com even | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy deaths jump by 743 in a day, global cases top 400,000 — from WHO at 18:27: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 19:32 |
| Painter | Vancouver just announced that if people don't follow the guidelines for social distancing that they can get fines up to 50 thousand dollars | 19:34 |
| Painter | https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbc.ctvnews.ca%2Fvancouver-can-now-enforce-physical-distancing-with-fines-up-to-50k-1.4864402%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1XcWZIUwc6L3-zsSBAtaB9pGZl027jvO4H-kka_ESWSDa-n1Y6URt1L4g&h=AT3CNi5b0CRlOgM4MzlRRgeRTHkp9UXVKithyL9rKl2eDoZ71sjiTABliHw-bQ_rx5vL2aFdlfE0LJry4XYqtlQI2OqtB5cRC4-QyLG6VEh2bxwaKIyKxQIhZBEftvXC-iMMQz3AQZnHCR2yN4qFWGfnLHD_-BKnfzbQeuFnIMShy0lqYOX_jFpuu2GQ1iimTCwFjGlwt5CMYb934asItaR_2f5fy_tlGNReWZ | 19:34 |
| Painter | (that's the source) | 19:34 |
| kreyren | What would be the theory on making an antidote on covid-19 ? Training the immune system on how to handle the virus? | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1735 cases (now 447547), +17 deaths (now 19901), +110 recoveries (now 110313) 🔸 US: +831 cases (now 50860), +17 deaths (now 653) 🔸 Switzerland: +760 cases (now 9877) 🔸 Austria: +261 cases (now 5137), +3 deaths (now 28) 🔹 Afghanistan: +32 cases (now 74) 🔹 Albania: +19 cases (now 123), +1 deaths (now 5), +8 recoveries (now 10) [... want %more?] | 19:36 |
| airgap | antidotes are for poisons, not a virus | 19:37 |
| kreyren | airgap, true mb | 19:38 |
| kreyren | cure then | 19:38 |
| airgap | that's the role of vaccines and antivirals | 19:38 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: yeah, there's an approach to that they are using to train the immune system to recognise cancer cells that is being adapted to this virus | 19:38 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, any other approaches ? | 19:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, vaccines | 19:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Treatments for the cytokine storm will be useful until we get a vaccine | 19:40 |
| kreyren | where vaccines would do the same i think? or do you mean some chemical compound that directly attacks the SARS-CoV-2 ? | 19:40 |
| tinwhiskers | Assuming any pan out :-) | 19:40 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: yeah, so some treatments are being tested | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:36 UTC: Gov. Cuomo says New York needs ventilators now, help from GM and Ford 'does us no good': The state has about 3,000 to 4,000 ventilators on hand and has purchased about 7,000 more, but it needs a minimum of 30,000 additional ventilators within the next two weeks when the outbreak is expected to peak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AoQbcC | 19:41 |
| tinwhiskers | tinwhiskers: as you've probably heard, folding@home is being put to use to search for candidates | 19:42 |
| tinwhiskers | Erm kreyren ^ | 19:42 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, Or like why can't we train something (bacteria?) that is capable of surviving in the inhalator with mister to be delivered in the lungs and reduce the amount of SARS-CoV-2 in the tissue? | 19:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Phages... In theory, but that's still a technology that we're working on. | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy deaths jump by 743 in a day, global cases top 400,000 — from WHO at 18:41: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 19:45 |
| LjL | Financial Times headline: "Madrid could pass Lombardy as the worst affected region" | 19:45 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: phages may well be what we rely on in the future to very specifically target viruses and bacteria in the post-antibiotic era. | 19:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:45 UTC: Coronavirus news: India announces 21-day lockdown as global confirmed cases top 400,000: WHO says US could be next virus hotspot; EU urged to evacuate Greek refugee camps; Greta Thunberg says she believes she had Covid-19 — from WHO at 18:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | Antibiotics tend to be a bit of a carpet bombing exercise, taking out beneficial organisms as well, whereas phage therapy can be very specific, but requires the ability to quickly create custom phages for individual infections, and is still a wee way off | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | But they can target viruses as well, unlike antibiotics. | 19:51 |
| bin_bash | i remember seeing something awhile ago that some of the phages that grow on kitchen sponges can be helpful with phage-therapy | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy deaths jump by 743 in a day, global cases top 400,000 — from WHO at 18:46: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 19:53 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: what country are you speaking of when you said "we"? | 19:55 |
| LjL | seriously? | 19:55 |
| LjL | i pasted a ginormous wall of text translated from the Italian PC | 19:56 |
| blkshp | pronto | 19:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:52 UTC: Former FDA chief says US coronavirus lockdowns will last weeks: 'This is going to be a long fight': "It's going to be another three, four weeks until we see the peak in the epidemic curve in regions like New York, and that's the hopeful case," Gottlieb said. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3j49wW | 19:57 |
| blkshp | (only thing other than (and i apologise for the spelling (mi dispiace) i remember!) | 19:57 |
| LjL | pronto is how you answer the phone though | 19:58 |
| blkshp | yep, my mother used to work or an italian company as ofice manager! | 19:58 |
| tinwhiskers | pronto as the greeting when answering the phone? | 19:59 |
| blkshp | yarp | 19:59 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, not really a greeting | 19:59 |
| LjL | it stems from old telephone systems where you actually had to put headphones on and grab a microphone | 20:00 |
| blkshp | Ready (is how i was told it worked) | 20:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Salutation? | 20:00 |
| LjL | then you'd say "i'm ready" or "are you ready", which translates to "pronto" or "pronto?" for short | 20:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah | 20:00 |
| LjL | (you often hear it with a questioning tone) | 20:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah | 20:00 |
| bn_mobile | python476: elaborate re. google maps trips? | 20:00 |
| blkshp | it's still used these days ljl? | 20:00 |
| bin_bash | people who ignore social distancing should be excluded from medical treatment if they get infected | 20:00 |
| LjL | we also say it, with the same meaning, when we aren't sure the line is still up. "pronto? pronto? mi senti?" | 20:00 |
| LjL | blkshp, sure | 20:00 |
| blkshp | cool :) | 20:01 |
| bn_mobile | python476 / LjL: Singapore already tracks infectees via GPS | 20:01 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, i suspect so do Taiwan and Korea, but i'd like good articles on those countries... i only know of a Financial Times article that is paywalled :\ | 20:01 |
| bn_mobile | python476: oh, n/m , see tinwhiskers' comment now... catching up | 20:02 |
| python476 | bn_mobile: well I was just asking if people would mind treating the epidemic like Singapor dide | 20:04 |
| python476 | did* | 20:04 |
| python476 | some would be against sharing data | 20:04 |
| LjL | calm down bot | 20:04 |
| LjL | ah! i could access the paywalled article https://web.archive.org/web/20200315061524/https://www.ft.com/content/dd416102-5d20-11ea-b0ab-339c2307bcd4 | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:59 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump says 'we have to get back to work' as number of US deaths rises: Cuomo warns infection rates rising faster than expected Trump’s staff cuts have undermined containment efforts US medical staff beg for masks on social media See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Plybdj | 20:05 |
| bn_mobile | python476: computing capacity has already been used to model scenarios in a report to the CDC, talk to [itchyjunk] in #virology, but not in RT, your idea would face difficulty in deployment, what, order 328M GPS-micro-thermometers? | 20:05 |
| bn_mobile | xrogaan: what is "orphan status"? | 20:05 |
| LjL | ... i just removed CDC from the bot | 20:06 |
| LjL | why's it still posting | 20:06 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: are you just transcribing your local TV news? | 20:07 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, press conferences, not news | 20:07 |
| LjL | by the PM today | 20:07 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: My understanding is that orphan status is granted to pharmaceuticals that have a very small potential market to encourage development is what would otherwise not be cost effective to develop. | 20:08 |
| LjL | usually by the civil protection on a daily basis | 20:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | okay let's see if this time it's gone for real... | 20:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | oh god the Matrix room is SO out of sync with the IRC channel | 20:09 |
| yn | matrix sucks | 20:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | I can see some of my IRC messages, and others, I can't | 20:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | yn: i wouldn't go that far yet, but maybe you know more than i do | 20:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | but the bridge is posting LjL's messages out of order :| | 20:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | seriously what the hell | 20:10 |
| yn | LjL-Matrix: they are okay if you only use it and not irc; their e2e is nice, but beyond that, they try to cozy up to irc and it's been a disaster | 20:11 |
| tinwhiskers | I noticed some matrix messages came out of order the other day | 20:11 |
| LjL | yn, yeah, i do believe the bridging is eventually going to create a bit spat, but, i thought it would eventually happen due to emergent differences that cannot easily be reconciled (say: the ability to edit messages, which the bridge bridges to IRC in a very spammy way), not because it all just crawled to a halt | 20:12 |
| xrogaan | bn_mobile: seems to be a US thing | 20:12 |
| xrogaan | bn_mobile: "The Orphan Drug Act was designed to give extra incentives to drugmakers to develop drugs for which there is a very small market, such that it's unlikely that (even at inflated monopolistic prices) the market can compensate them adequately for the development to treat those rare diseases. " | 20:12 |
| LjL | yn, but also, for better or worse, i think the IRC "integration" is what originally boosted their user count... otherwise they could have become one of many practically irrelevant messaging systems | 20:12 |
| yn | yeah | 20:12 |
| yn | but at that point you might as well as use something like irccloud or the-lounge | 20:13 |
| LjL | yn, but without people completely realizing, many IRC channels "magically became" Matrix rooms by means of a majority of users connecting from Matrix. from a marketing point of view, if we shall call it such, it was clever | 20:13 |
| LjL | also i have a couple of strange-tasting papules in my lower palate. well, one there and one in my cheek. #NotASymptom, right? | 20:14 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: yes, "seriously", you didn't cite the source till well after and were just rambling on, it was hard to tell if you were talking about your own local country (wherever that is). | 20:16 |
| bn_mobile | bin_bash: how would one even know / validate? | 20:18 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, just like i do every day, I posted, BEFORE starting, | 20:18 |
| LjL | freenode/##covid-19/2020-03-24.log:[18:02:41] <LjL> Today's Civil Protection press conference in Italy is starting now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEEYxhaMcV4 and I'll attempt to translate | 20:18 |
| LjL | so there is that | 20:18 |
| LjL | and then afterwards i pasted a cleaned-up pastebin of it | 20:18 |
| LjL | now we're clear on that, do you have other questions that someone new to the channel might have? | 20:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy deaths jump by 743 in a day, global cases top 400,000 — from WHO at 19:13: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/nGEIHc | 20:19 |
| bn_mobile | just out of curiosity anyone know what's going on with NKorea? they are so isolated already I wonder if they're relatively virus-free.... | 20:19 |
| LjL | %cases france | 20:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, France, there are 22304 cases, 1100 deaths (4.9% of cases), 3281 recoveries as of March 24, 19:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 20:19 |
| bn_mobile | (god help them if they get cases though, their healthcare system probably is behind I would imagine...) | 20:20 |
| bn_mobile | not to mention even basic food infrastructure | 20:20 |
| LjL | a while ago, South Korea reported that they know of at least 200 NK soldiers who died from it | 20:21 |
| LjL | but i have no idea how SK purports to know | 20:21 |
| bn_mobile | python476: so have a drone w/ guns get auto-dispatched to you if your temperature went above a threshold? :) | 20:22 |
| python476 | bn_mobile: good idea! | 20:25 |
| COVID-19Hangouts | LjL: https://www.dailynk.com/english/sources-almost-200-soldiers-have-died-covid-19/ | 20:26 |
| python476 | french news just mentioned a dude working on an app to backtrack on gps data to find potential risky contagion hubs | 20:26 |
| python476 | it's slowly getting there | 20:26 |
| livebrain | but you need to actually install it | 20:26 |
| livebrain | i doubt most will install it | 20:26 |
| COVID-19Hangouts | "A Daily NK source inside North Korea’s military" | 20:26 |
| livebrain | and the spread is now within the community | 20:26 |
| COVID-19Hangouts | https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200309003700325 "according to state media reports." | 20:27 |
| LjL | COVID-19Hangouts, well that looks like we have more data than i thought, although they are unverifiable | 20:29 |
| LjL | it may become compulsory here in Italy to install an app like that, livebrain. there is nothing concrete yet, but they *have* called tech companies to make such proposal, and when the journalist repeatedly asked "this is going to be on a voluntary basis, right?" the reply was first evasive, then "we'll be in close contact with the Privacy Authority" | 20:30 |
| LjL | Lombardy has already used cell tower geolocation to estimate how many people went further from their homes than allowed, and disclosed it afterwards | 20:31 |
| COVID-19Hangouts | Definitely, could be DPRK disinfo for all we know | 20:31 |
| tinwhiskers | COVID-19Hangouts: just prior to NK locking down they gathered foreigners into quarantine before expelling them. There were rumours from the foreigners that the virus was present in the country... but just rumours. | 20:36 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: that timestamp is local time. again, not sure when/where that was, earlier you were talking about India so I assumed you were based there. Keep in mind there are many people from many different countries in here currently, I myself am in the US (hence my question to you earlier about where you were located) | 20:36 |
| bn_mobile | python476: that's like straight out of a sci-fi movie | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +503 cases (now 453913), +7 deaths (now 20405), +1 recoveries (now 112448) 🔸 Turkey: +343 cases (now 1872), +7 deaths (now 44) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +385 cases (now 1013) 🔹 Brazil: +38 cases (now 2018) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +1 cases (now 18) 🔹 Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada: +11 cases (now 35) 🔹 Cote d'Ivoire: +48 cases (now 73) [... want %more?] | 20:37 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, which part exactly of "Today's Civil Protection press conference in Italy" makes the 'where' unclear? | 20:37 |
| LjL | the timestamps are CET | 20:37 |
| LjL | so UTC+1 | 20:37 |
| LjL | if you really feel the need to verify it was before i actually posted the tet | 20:37 |
| LjL | i do keep in mind there are people from all over the globe, here, if anything it's sometimes US people who seem to forget that, i find | 20:38 |
| LjL | i talked about India because i'm not only interested in Italy, and India just announced a lockdown | 20:38 |
| LjL | i understand countries starting with the same letter are sometimes confusing | 20:38 |
| bn_mobile | in this time of crisis, civil liberties may soon be all put on "hold" in the name of "safety", scary... | 20:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Depends what country you are from. We in NZ don't find the lockdown to be scary from a civil liberties point of view, largely because we have a government that is largely trusted instead of mistrusted. | 20:41 |
| COVID-19Hangouts | tinwhiskers Ahh, fair enough | 20:41 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: I'm not questioning the source of news, I could just have well quoted from it (& confused everyone too). Earlier you were saying "we this" "we that" blah blah, so it was hard to understand what you meant | 20:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Kiwis tend to get behind the government in times of emergency, but of course there are exceptions. | 20:42 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, okay | 20:42 |
| LjL | i'm definitely in northern Italy | 20:43 |
| bn_mobile | LjL, as the saying goes, it is noon in the world _somewhere_ :) | 20:43 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: thanks for clarifying | 20:43 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: every day at that time LjL translates the Italian press conference. The "We" was quoted I think. | 20:43 |
| bn_mobile | haha, no, I know the difference between India and ITALY, lol | 20:44 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: ah, yes, that is what I got know, may help to put it in quotes next time or prefix all quotes with > | 20:44 |
| bn_mobile | s/know/now/ | 20:45 |
| Brainstorm | bn_mobile meant to say: tinwhiskers: ah, yes, that is what I got now, may help to put it in quotes next time or prefix all quotes with > | 20:45 |
| tinwhiskers | you'll get over it :-) | 20:45 |
| python476 | "Clinton: 'Please do not take medical advice from a man who looked directly at a solar eclipse'" | 20:45 |
| python476 | the burn is real | 20:45 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 20:45 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: my condolences for the losses over there | 20:45 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: so is NZ not considering a lockdown? ie: 24-hr "house arrest"? | 20:46 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: oh, whoops, misread what you type | 20:46 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: yeah, NZ is in lockdown | 20:46 |
| tinwhiskers | err, actually starting tomorrow I think | 20:47 |
| tinwhiskers | (I'm not presently in NZ so a bit removed) | 20:47 |
| bn_mobile | python476: haha, good one | 20:47 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: are you on matrix? | 20:48 |
| bn_mobile | python476: that's like a triple reference, lol | 20:48 |
| tinwhiskers | you seem to be lagging badly | 20:48 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: no, just was away for a while and desperately was trying to catchup on the convos | 20:48 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA — from WHO at 19:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/PpPJCw | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +313 cases (now 454226), +5 deaths (now 20410), +2 recoveries (now 112450) 🔸 Israel: +274 cases (now 1930) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 166), +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Brazil: +38 cases (now 2018) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +1 cases (now 18) 🔹 Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada: +11 cases (now 35) 🔹 Denmark: +24 recoveries (now 25) [... want %more?] | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:46 UTC: FDA allows veterinarians to use telemedicine during coronavirus pandemic: The FDA said Tuesday that it's temporarily easing restrictions on veterinarians to allow them to more easily use telemedicine to treat pets during the coronavirus pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NpV6Eh | 20:56 |
| Timvde | bn_mobile: our media has an article saying that these actions are 1984-like and we should be careful that they're not permanent | 20:56 |
| Timvde | Ah, apparently it wad a Dutch journalist who said it, our media just reported about it | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +640 cases (now 454866), +7 deaths (now 20417), +4 recoveries (now 112454) 🔸 US: +632 cases (now 52400), +6 deaths (now 673) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 166), +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Brazil: +38 cases (now 2018) 🔹 Canada: +7 cases (now 2590) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +1 cases (now 18) 🔹 Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada: +11 cases (now 35) [... want %more?] | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:05 UTC: Coronavirus news: India announces 21-day lockdown as global confirmed cases top 400,000: WHO says US could be next virus hotspot; EU urged to evacuate Greek refugee camps; Greta Thunberg says she believes she had Covid-19 — from WHO at 20:05: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 20:10 UTC: Health: COVID-19: Predicting the Path and Analyzing Immunity — from WHO at 20:10: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/dckYGN | 21:15 |
| Birosso | %cases USA | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +708 cases (now 455574), +9 deaths (now 20426) 🔸 US: +478 cases (now 52878), +9 deaths (now 682) 🔹 Austria: +146 cases (now 5283) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 166), +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Brazil: +120 cases (now 2100) 🔹 Canada: +7 cases (now 2590) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +1 cases (now 18) [... want %more?] | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, US, there are 52878 cases, 682 deaths (1.3% of cases), 370 recoveries as of March 24, 20:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 21:20 |
| Birosso | O.O | 21:20 |
| Birosso | %cases egypt | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Egypt, there are 402 cases, 20 deaths (5.0% of cases), 80 recoveries as of March 24, 19:23Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Egypt for time series data. | 21:21 |
| Timvde | I hadn't seen the site before, so: https://corona.help/ has pretty and (more importantly) more up-to-date graphs than offloop.net | 21:22 |
| Timvde | You can also filter per country, e.g. https://corona.help/country/china | 21:22 |
| Timvde | Or: https://corona.help/compare/linear/italy/united-kingdom/united-states | 21:23 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | I was reading an article the virus was still active on cruise ship 17 days after anyone was on it | 21:24 |
| Timvde | oh, apparently the website does have ads, I didn't notice because of my adblocker :P | 21:24 |
| Timvde | v0idkr4ft[m]: That sounds unlikely... | 21:25 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-coronavirus-survived-in-princess-cruise-cabins-up-to-17-days-after-passengers-left.html | 21:25 |
| Timvde | v0idkr4ft[m]: if that's really true, that's scary as hell | 21:26 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | Wo0 pi-hole! | 21:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:19 UTC: Coronavirus news: India announces 21-day lockdown as global confirmed cases top 400,000: WHO says US could be next virus hotspot; EU urged to evacuate Greek refugee camps; Greta Thunberg says she believes she had Covid-19 — from WHO at 20:19: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 21:27 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | Right!...:( | 21:28 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | Cuomo projecting 80% of New Yorks 19.4mil residents are going to get infected. With 13% needing hospitalization. That's 2mil. Good lord https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/new-york-coronavirus-cases-surge-38percent-overnight-to-20875.html | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:29 UTC: (news): Bill Gates says the US missed its chance to avoid coronavirus shutdown and businesses should stay closed — from WHO at 20:29: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/sP3brE | 21:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Timvde: you need to select the "Include latest non-authoritative data" option to get the latest data on offloop.net | 21:39 |
| Timvde | tinwhiskers: aha! | 21:39 |
| Timvde | I missed that, thanks | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | But given the awful step in the JH data you may well want to use another site! | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:35 UTC: (news): US coronavirus cases surge tenfold in a week to 50,000, global infections soar past 400,000 — from WHO at 20:35: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/KVtv6K | 21:39 |
| Timvde | JH? | 21:40 |
| tinwhiskers | John Hopkins | 21:40 |
| Timvde | You mean that it appears to be missing yesterday's data? | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Hopefully they'll fix that when they update it again in about 5 hours | 21:42 |
| Painter | Argh! Because of privacy laws, a company won't give out the name of the guy who showed up to work in spite of having been away from the country. He just got back. He KNEW that he wasn't allowed to report to work. He went in, and everybody else there was immediately sent home, even though they weren't in the same room with him. He should be charged immediately. Because so many people were out, of the country, nobody knows which idiot it was | 21:45 |
| dunnp | US passing Italy in cases tomorrow? | 21:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:43 UTC: /u/slakmehl: lori montgomery su Twitter: "BREAKING => The coronavirus is not mutating quickly, suggesting a vaccine would offer lasting protection https://t.co/B28AxGYprh" — from WHO at 20:43: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/JJRs59 | 21:46 |
| Painter | This affects somebody that I know personally, somebody with a family. Lots of people in that company would be affected by this. They were told that they were essential staff and had to stay open, but after that, they were forced to close, leaving those families without money, too. | 21:46 |
| Painter | It's people like that one that I really just want to make into a human pinata | 21:47 |
| Timvde | dunnp: Tomorrow sounds really quick | 21:48 |
| Timvde | But in a few days, not unlikely | 21:48 |
| Peeta | %data Argentina | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +350 cases (now 455924), +16 deaths (now 20442) 🔸 Ireland: +204 cases (now 1329), +1 deaths (now 7) 🔹 Austria: +146 cases (now 5283) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 166), +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Brazil: +120 cases (now 2100), +12 deaths (now 46) 🔹 Canada: +89 cases (now 2672), +1 deaths (now 26) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +1 cases (now 18) [... want %more?] | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | Peeta: In all areas, Argentina, there are 301 cases, 6 deaths (2.0% of cases), 52 recoveries as of March 24, 20:29Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Argentina for time series data. | 21:51 |
| Peeta | ._. | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: 4pm update on US data from the Covid Tracking Project reports the following one day % changes: — from WHO at 20:54: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/YSgD8r | 21:58 |
| berndj | does anyone know how necessary it is that water be *warm* when washing with soap? | 22:01 |
| ryouma | unknown if active, i think? was detected, i think? --- 13:24 <v0idkr4ft[m]> I was reading an article the virus was still active on cruise ship 17 days after anyone was on it | 22:02 |
| ryouma | but yes a big issue | 22:02 |
| xionbox[m] | <berndj "does anyone know how necessary i"> I believe it is _not_ necessary | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:01 UTC: (news): Bill Gates says the US missed its chance to avoid coronavirus shutdown and businesses should stay closed — from WHO at 21:01: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/sP3brE | 22:04 |
| kreyren | Czech republic has second death due to the covid-19, Patient woman 71yo (total 3 deaths) | 22:04 |
| bin_bash | berndj: it's not. as long as it's not freezing cold it's fine. too cold or too hot arent good | 22:04 |
| xionbox[m] | berndj: https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-handwashing.html ==> "warm or cold water" | 22:05 |
| ryouma | great | 22:05 |
| ryouma | hot water will destroy protective lipids i heard | 22:05 |
| ryouma | (on your hands) | 22:06 |
| ryouma | but then if you are washing dishes you are going to want as hot as possible, i would think | 22:06 |
| xionbox[m] | kreyren: that woman died three times?! | 22:06 |
| berndj | how come everyone and their dog is then saying "wash your hands with warm soapy water for at least 20 seconds"? | 22:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +517 cases (now 456441), +9 deaths (now 20451), +2 recoveries (now 112456) 🔸 Spain: +209 cases (now 39885), +8 deaths (now 2808) 🔸 Germany: +205 cases (now 32986), +1 deaths (now 157) 🔸 Brazil: +221 cases (now 2201), +12 deaths (now 46) 🔹 Austria: +146 cases (now 5283) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 166), +1 deaths (now 3) [... want %more?] | 22:07 |
| ryouma | the dogs have a vested interest in not being touched with cold hands | 22:07 |
| dunnp | ryouma: not active it was just the RNA that was detectible | 22:08 |
| xionbox[m] | <ryouma "hot water will destroy protectiv"> So will soap in fact | 22:09 |
| bin_bash | ryouma: you should be wearing gloves while washing dishes | 22:09 |
| xionbox[m] | So will soap in fact | 22:11 |
| bin_bash | wat | 22:12 |
| kreyren | xionbox[m], no, Czech has two cases of people who died as a result of covid-19 and one who died with SARS-CoV-2 | 22:12 |
| bin_bash | kreyren: that's literally the same thing | 22:13 |
| bin_bash | or do you mean that they died of something completely unrelated kreyren | 22:13 |
| bin_bash | like they fell off a ladder and died but had the virus | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 21:14 UTC: (news): PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI - IL COMMISSARIO STRAORDINARIO PER L'ATTUAZIONE E IL COORDINAMENTO DELLE MISURE DI CONTENIMENTO E CONTRASTO DELL'EMERGENZA EPIDEMIOLOGICA COVID-19 - ORDINANZA 23 marzo 2020 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/t8ZHhi | 22:16 |
| ryouma | dunnp: thanks | 22:17 |
| ryouma | bin_bash: yeah, idk if they can wash as well, but seems a good idea to get rubber gloves or something to wash dishes with with hot water -- maybe like with a felt-like lining or something? | 22:18 |
| bin_bash | ryouma: they make dish gloves | 22:20 |
| bin_bash | kinda like that, yeah | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:20 UTC: /u/mmm_toasty: https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/coronavirus/missouri-loosens-testing-criteria-for-covid--opening-doors-for/article_cfd81570-d504-5b68-ba2d-6710a968ca3d.html — from WHO at 21:20: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/P4MmYT | 22:23 |
| __surge | hey, is anybody in here living or currently stuck in Argentina? | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:37 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Phil Landeros su Twitter: "Atlanta Mayor tells #cbs46 News ICU units in hospitals across the city are at capacity #BREAKING #Exclusive on @cbs46… https://t.co/9RF3cRt93X" — from WHO at 21:37: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/b4vM6q | 22:41 |
| __surge | !covid ar | 22:45 |
| kreyren | bin_bash: Sorry dc, he died with SARS-CoV-2 tests positive but it was not considered as death due to the covid-19 due to his advanced cancer and critical state unrelated to covid-19 | 22:48 |
| bin_bash | gotcha | 22:48 |
| LjL | %cases argentina | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Argentina, there are 301 cases, 6 deaths (2.0% of cases), 52 recoveries as of March 24, 20:29Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Argentina for time series data. | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:50 UTC: Los Angeles health officials say a child under 18 has died from the coronavirus: Local health officials said said 42% of the county's coronavirus patients are between 18 and 40 years old and 39% are between 41 and 65 years old. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BoXWeB | 22:53 |
| LjL | :( | 22:54 |
| LjL | that doesn't sound great | 22:54 |
| LjL | i mean not just the death, the percentages | 22:55 |
| mefistofeles | better than Italy, Italy had like 60% over 60 | 22:55 |
| mefistofeles | at one point | 22:55 |
| mefistofeles | wait | 22:56 |
| mefistofeles | not sure we are talking about the same thing | 22:56 |
| LjL | no, i meant there seem to be a lot of younger people here | 22:56 |
| LjL | and the US isn't testing a whole lot, so it means they are people showing symptoms, probably serious ones | 22:57 |
| danielp3344 | %data maryland | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 244 cases, 3 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 21:30Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:57 |
| Arsanerit | %data iceland | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In all areas, Iceland, there are 648 cases, 2 deaths (0.3% of cases), 51 recoveries as of March 24, 20:29Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iceland for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 3.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 22:58 |
| Arsanerit | A lot of younger people? | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: NSW records more than 1,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 including two children under 10 – latest — from WHO at 21:55: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 23:00 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, i mean, compared to other places (although the NL had already shown a trend like this), and considering this is normally considered to "mainly" affect older people in a serious way | 23:00 |
| LjL | speaking of which | 23:00 |
| LjL | %data NL | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Finland, there are 792 cases, 1 deaths (0.1% of cases), 10 recoveries as of March 24, 20:29Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 23:00 |
| LjL | right | 23:00 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload coiv | 23:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Module coiv wasn't loaded and I couldn't load it: [Errno 2] No such file or directory | 23:01 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 23:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-24 22:01:08) | 23:01 |
| LjL | %data NL | 23:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Netherlands, there are 5560 cases, 276 deaths (5.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 24, 21:30Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 23:01 |
| Arsanerit | Why is the United States ruled by such an idiot? | 23:01 |
| LjL | let's keep the politics non-personal | 23:02 |
| eaxomar | he was elected | 23:02 |
| LjL | i'm okay with discussing the politics here, but even if you think some particular person really is an idiot, discuss their policies, not their person, or it gets ugly | 23:02 |
| Arsanerit | Ok, why does the United States president want packed churches? | 23:03 |
| livebrain | the wants packed churches ? | 23:03 |
| livebrain | he | 23:03 |
| Arsanerit | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/coronavirus-response-trump-wants-to-reopen-us-economy-by-easter.html "Trump wants ‘packed churches’ ..." | 23:04 |
| notkoos | orange man good buddies with god ... HAIL ORANGE MAN | 23:05 |
| ryouma | apr 12 is really soon | 23:05 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, he seems to be saying that based on the precondition that the situation has resolved by Easter, when he wants packed churches | 23:05 |
| LjL | now i find resolution by Easter a tad unlikely, just a tad | 23:06 |
| LjL | but i am a pessimist, clearly he's much more of an optimist than me | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Connecticut, US: +203 cases (now 618), +2 deaths (now 12) 🔹 Denmark: +34 recoveries (now 35) 🔹 Faroe Islands, Denmark: +10 recoveries (now 33) 🔹 French Polynesia, France: +2 cases (now 25) 🔹 Martinique, France: +4 cases (now 57) 🔹 US: +13 cases (now 52996) 🔹 California, US: +187 cases (now 2511), +4 deaths (now 50) | 23:06 |
| LjL | optimism is a good thing, right? | 23:06 |
| LjL | anyway, point being, he doesn't want packed churches *now* during the epidemic | 23:06 |
| AimHere | Maybe he wants to declare victory by easter, pack the churches and have the 'genocide the old for the benefit of the economy' strategy | 23:06 |
| LjL | Connecticut above probably disagrees with the US being disease-free by Easter | 23:06 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Easter 2021 or Easter 2022? ;-) | 23:08 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, well, see, he's smart, he didn't say that ;) | 23:08 |
| Arsanerit | AimHere: But the old vote for him. | 23:09 |
| Arsanerit | Killing your voters is not a smart electoral strategy. | 23:09 |
| AimHere | Indeed. | 23:09 |
| Arsanerit | I wonder, if people vote by mail and die before voting day, does their vote still count? | 23:09 |
| notkoos | do not question stable genius man! especially if he's found a way to fuck himself | 23:10 |
| LjL | stay classy | 23:10 |
| xdeadbeef | I'm no fan but perhaps he's exploiting the news opportunity by saying something which initially seems crazy (so gets repeated and shared) but on analysis has a condition which makes it sensible. Seeding the debate? Maybe he just likes trolling. | 23:12 |
| aradesh | did the offlop covid stats miss a day? | 23:12 |
| aradesh | all of the countries stats have a flat day | 23:12 |
| Jigsy | I have some sad news, guys. | 23:12 |
| Jigsy | Christmas is cancelled this year. | 23:12 |
| Jigsy | Santa's worshop was deemed non-essential work. | 23:12 |
| aradesh | lol | 23:12 |
| aradesh | north pole locked down | 23:12 |
| ryouma | what does seeding the ebate mean | 23:12 |
| Jigsy | Plus Santa's getting on in years, so he's quite vulnerable. | 23:13 |
| Jigsy | As is Mrs. Claus. | 23:13 |
| Mr_Pink | They're fine up there because they've been ice-olated for years. | 23:13 |
| LjL | aradesh, i think the problem is with the source data, tinwhiskers looked yesterday, JHU doesn't seem to be doing a great job with the data | 23:13 |
| Jigsy | Ooh, bad pun. | 23:13 |
| Jigsy | I like. | 23:13 |
| Mr_Pink | I stole it from a walking dead Carl meme I saw yesterday lol | 23:14 |
| xdeadbeef | ryouma, I mean, controlling the conversation. People talking about Trump is probably high on his agenda. | 23:14 |
| ryouma | usually nobody says by easter BEFORE easter, and has a reasonable expectation that listeners will infer anything other than teh upcoming easter. unless there as discussion of next easter or the succeeding. | 23:14 |
| ryouma | getting the troops home by christmas is a common promise. nobody expects taht tto be the succeeding christmas. | 23:15 |
| xdeadbeef | :-) | 23:15 |
| ryouma | is he going to go "psych!" next? | 23:15 |
| ryouma | or "yhbt!"? | 23:16 |
| ryouma | or perhaps, hmm, russian orthodox easter is much later? | 23:16 |
| xdeadbeef | packed churches by Easter...... NOT! | 23:16 |
| xdeadbeef | I guess there is an interesting impact on religion from all this. I'm assuming Friday prayers are cancelled. Is the Haj off? Guessing that would be a big deal. | 23:17 |
| ryouma | April 19 | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:10 UTC: Coronavirus news: India announces 21-day lockdown as global confirmed cases top 400,000: WHO says US could be next virus hotspot; EU urged to evacuate Greek refugee camps; Greta Thunberg says she believes she had Covid-19 — from WHO at 22:10: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/BP7D3k | 23:18 |
| LjL | who the hell cares what Greta believes in this particular case? or rather, why would we? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKgq0rnIR7g&feature=youtu.be Psychiatrist On Trump’s ‘Dangerous’ Response To Coronavirus Crisis | The Last Word | MSNBC | 23:19 |
| ryouma | not raelly interested in a random psychiatrist's opinion either; last time they were making theories about tp rolls being big and long or something. | 23:20 |
| notkoos | trump wants to kill people because he likes cock </psychological opinion> sorry I'll shut up now | 23:20 |
| bin_bash | Maybe Greta Thunberg will get it and then she can die liek it's 1865 | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can watch the original video and just grow your own notion on it. For me that resulted in me agreeing with the psychiatrist pretty much | 23:21 |
| ryouma | google top search results page does not even tell me who greta thrunburg is | 23:21 |
| LjL | notkoos, yes that was not a particularly brilliant joke | 23:21 |
| notkoos | 😂 | 23:22 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | <synx508 "the market numbers don't really "> 3 Months, when the next Non Farm Payroll report comes out. | 23:29 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | When the next Non Farm Payroll report comes out, we'll see some shit. | 23:30 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | April 3, May 8, June 5, July 2 | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +221 cases (now 456697), +1 recoveries (now 112477) 🔹 Bahamas: +1 cases (now 5), +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔹 Brazil: +46 cases (now 2247) 🔹 Colombia: +72 cases (now 378) 🔹 Denmark: +34 recoveries (now 35) 🔹 Faroe Islands, Denmark: +10 recoveries (now 33) 🔹 French Polynesia, France: +2 cases (now 25) 🔹 Martinique, France: +4 cases (now 57) [... want %more?] | 23:36 |
| Arsanerit | hantavirus: https://www.firstpost.com/health/man-dies-from-hantavirus-in-china-all-you-need-to-know-about-the-virus-and-how-it-spreads-8184521.html | 23:44 |
| Arsanerit | gn | 23:44 |
| Timvde | I just learned that on offloop.net you can align graphs | 23:47 |
| LjL | Timvde, and i learned by doing that that it seems to be pretty arbitrary how curves line up (or don't). everybody seems to be using 100 days. but try various. | 23:47 |
| Timvde | If you do that, it's really clear that Germany is followin the same path as Italy, and Spain and the US are actually going worse | 23:47 |
| LjL | 100 cases* | 23:48 |
| Timvde | LjL: Lol, yea | 23:48 |
| Timvde | I literally entered 100 there | 23:48 |
| Timvde | So you're onto something | 23:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:44 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Bloomberg - Are you a robot? — from WHO at 22:44: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/wXDm7Q | 23:49 |
| Jigsy | ANOTHER virus? | 23:49 |
| LjL | Jigsy, not airborne! | 23:49 |
| LjL | don't panic! | 23:49 |
| Timvde | If I put it on 50, the US seems to have had a slightly slower start, but they're catching up | 23:49 |
| LjL | Timvde, try higher also, like 300 or 500 (if it makes sense for the country's your comparing) | 23:50 |
| AimHere | Timvde, in terms of raw numbers, the USA is going to just overtake the hell out of everyone | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait what? Germany following same path as Italy? That's a bold call | 23:50 |
| AimHere | Partly large population. Partly because NYC is going to turn into a plague pit | 23:50 |
| Timvde | %cases Germany | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +394 cases (now 457091), +4 deaths (now 20455), +10 recoveries (now 112487) 🔸 US: +222 cases (now 53205), +2 deaths (now 687) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Bahamas: +1 cases (now 5), +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔹 Brazil: +46 cases (now 2247) 🔹 Canada: +120 cases (now 2792) 🔹 Colombia: +72 cases (now 378) 🔹 Denmark: +34 recoveries (now 35) [... want %more?] | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Germany, there are 32986 cases, 157 deaths (0.5% of cases), 3243 recoveries as of March 24, 21:36Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 23:50 |
| Timvde | Is it rally? | 23:50 |
| Timvde | really* | 23:50 |
| Timvde | DocScrutinizer05: In pure number of cases, not deaths | 23:51 |
| AimHere | Timvde, sure | 23:51 |
| LjL | AimHere, well the first part, you should compare it more to the EU, it doesn't make much sense to compare it to most individual European countries | 23:51 |
| LjL | the second... yeah | 23:51 |
| LjL | but also, Madrid is apparently set to become the hardest-hit smaller region, instead of Lombardy | 23:51 |
| LjL | i lose the spotlight :( | 23:51 |
| Timvde | LjL: Then go outside and hug some people! | 23:52 |
| LjL | Timvde, keep in mind Italy is struggling to keep up with testing "almost certain" cases at this point. Germany could simply be testing many more people, and finding a much lower death rate consequently... i'm not really convinced of this, but it's a possibility | 23:52 |
| Timvde | That's a possibility | 23:53 |
| LjL | well, Germany aren't testing many more people, they are testing fewer people... but what i mean is they may still be able to afford people with few symptoms | 23:53 |
| LjL | afford testing | 23:53 |
| LjL | * | 23:53 |
| LjL | gah | 23:53 |
| LjL | i can't even put the * in my * | 23:53 |
| livebrain | germany is testing less ? | 23:53 |
| Timvde | In absolute numbers, probably | 23:53 |
| LjL | livebrain, less than italy in total, i'm not sure about current daily numbers | 23:53 |
| LjL | i can check | 23:54 |
| LjL | well, i can check italy's numbers at least | 23:54 |
| Timvde | or well | 23:54 |
| Timvde | probably/maybe/likely/hard to say | 23:54 |
| xdeadbeef | hardly anyone seems to be being tested in the UK. Lots of reports of people calling in and being told "just isolate" | 23:54 |
| livebrain | i thought the reason for germany low death rate was that they were mass testing | 23:54 |
| AimHere | livebrain, nah, the reason is that the known cases tend to be younger | 23:54 |
| AimHere | livebrain, there seems to be some de facto generational segregation where younger folk live apart from older ones | 23:55 |
| Timvde | AimHere: But the young people aren't tested in most places | 23:55 |
| Timvde | (unless they're severe) | 23:55 |
| yx[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmY8Hf367Uc | 23:55 |
| Timvde | yx[m]: going from the title, that's probably clickbait/conspiracy | 23:56 |
| AimHere | Timvde, it is what it is. The known cases in Germany tend to be significantly younger for some reason - possibly they're being tested more. But then the question is that if the young in Italy and Spain also have it in the same proportion, why would the disease be less prevalent in Germany at all, then | 23:56 |
| yx[m] | Timvde: It's about the money and the markets | 23:57 |
| AimHere | yx[m], that does sound like conspiracy clickbait. What part of 'halt all economic activity' appeals to the guys with all the money? | 23:58 |
| AimHere | I mean, the daytraders are wanking themselves into a frenzy shorting anything they can find, of course, but they're not controlling everything | 23:58 |
| yx[m] | AimHere: Every recession is an opportunity for buyouts, isn't it obvious? | 23:59 |
| LjL | livebrain, Timvde: well i got distracted like ten times but meanwhile https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ has the number of daily tests in Italy under the " | 23:59 |
| LjL | cambio di argomento | 23:59 |
| LjL | Il trend giorno per giorno | 23:59 |
| LjL | Casi attualmente positivi, guariti, morti e casi totali dal primo rilevamento a oggi. Dati totali e casi nuovi giorno per giorno. | 23:59 |
| LjL | Made with Flourish | 23:59 |
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