Brainstorm | πΈ World: +531 cases (now 468070), +11 deaths (now 21179), +1 recoveries (now 113815) πΈ US: +220 cases (now 65644), +3 deaths (now 931), +1 recoveries (now 394) πΈ Australia: +245 cases (now 2676), +2 deaths (now 11) πΉ Belize: +1 cases (now 2) πΉ Bermuda: +1 cases (now 7) πΉ Bosnia and Herzegovina: +3 cases (now 176) [... want %more?] | 00:05 |
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oriba | antibiotic resistance as the key to italy's high daeath rates? -> https://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=4 | 00:14 |
oriba | LjL: antibiotic resistance as the key to italy's high daeath rates? -> https://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=4 | 00:15 |
oriba | https://www.sepsis-stiftung.eu/blog/coronavirus-und-sepsis/ | 00:16 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:10 UTC: A-League: Wellington Phoenix player sorry for golf buggy joy ride while in quarantine β from WHO at 23:10: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/QNKQT6 | 00:18 |
LjL | oriba: I was unpleasantly surprised when I learned we were so bad with that, but I guess we'd have to look at specific causes of deaths beyond covid itself to see if antibiotics played a role | 00:18 |
oriba | sepsis is mentioned in the german article as possible problem... and when antibiotics don't work at that point ... bad | 00:20 |
LjL | Yeah, but we would have to look at individual files to look for either sepsis or antibiotic use | 00:21 |
ryouma | once again, my broken irc log does not show who named me (somebody pinged or named me in this channel) while i was afk | 00:23 |
mefistofeles | ryouma: 02:21:11 < ryouma> governments could hire immune to deliver | 00:23 |
mefistofeles | 02:30:29 < adventurer> ryouma, good idea | 00:23 |
mefistofeles | 03:16:14 < MrtnDk[m]> <ryouma "governments could hire immune to"> You cannot be immune to a mutating virus. | 00:23 |
mefistofeles | 12:04:29 [ bin_bash ] [ emanllufruoy[m] ] [ Justin[m] ] [ mrsbjm[m] ] [ ryouma ] [ tristanstoeber[m] | 00:23 |
mefistofeles | oh, nbm that last one, that's mine :P | 00:24 |
mefistofeles | nvm* | 00:24 |
adventurer | huh? | 00:24 |
ryouma | mefistofeles: thank you! that is a relief to know what i missed, assuming that was the last one | 00:24 |
adventurer | oh | 00:25 |
ryouma | (i would use a bouncer but i never did figure out znc config) | 00:25 |
mefistofeles | You know, I just hilighted a lot of people there... propagating the issue | 00:25 |
mefistofeles | xD | 00:25 |
adventurer | expert on the radio says it mutates slower than the flu and so I think therefore could be immune to it or get a vaccine | 00:25 |
adventurer | taht would be good for at least some time | 00:26 |
adventurer | i am not expert just guessing | 00:26 |
mefistofeles | adventurer: yes, that's what it seems to be | 00:26 |
dunnp | agreed | 00:26 |
oriba | tinwhiskers: JHU-repo is from 4st of feb. and it has now 844 open and 446 closed issues -> 1250 issues in less than 2 months... | 00:27 |
tinwhiskers | :-/ | 00:27 |
oriba | Heheh it's somehow funny.... (if you don't rely on the data) | 00:27 |
oriba | did your hair turned gray ? | 00:28 |
adventurer | also experts could be wrong or two experts could disagree or things could change | 00:28 |
adventurer | who knows | 00:28 |
adventurer | but i am hopefully now there would be a finger prick | 00:28 |
adventurer | if i have antibodies i will be relieved to be able to go out and work without worrying about getting sick or unknowingly spreading it to others if i was an asymptomatic spreader | 00:29 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Shimon Prokupecz su Twitter: "Calls over a loudspeaker of βTeam 700,β the code for when a patient is on the verge of death, come several times a shift. Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed. https://t.co/uZV61ze8DW" [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/lntx7Y | 00:30 |
oriba | tinwhiskers: ISO-date??? https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/issues/1553 | 00:34 |
Albright | https://preview.redd.it/arllyevpcvo41.jpg | 00:34 |
mefistofeles | ok, submitted a job to the supercomputer, time for sleep | 00:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:33 UTC: (news): New York hospitals battle coronavirus as hundreds of patients flood in: 'We must not break' β from WHO at 23:33: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/XFmBph | 00:36 |
LjL | We can't burn bodies at enough of a speed to keep up with the coffins coming. Who was it again that was saying this is a bad cold? | 00:36 |
LjL | Because I'd like to tell them they have a real need to reboot their brain | 00:37 |
adventurer | where are you LjL | 00:39 |
adventurer | oh dear | 00:39 |
LjL | Lombardy | 00:39 |
adventurer | oh dear | 00:39 |
adventurer | That is maybe the worst hit place | 00:39 |
adventurer | I have heard | 00:39 |
euod[m] | LjL: the issue will be body bags. | 00:40 |
LjL | You van safely remove the maybe, although I'd look at NYC and Madrid in the coming days | 00:40 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +245 cases (now 468315), +3 deaths (now 21182), +1 recoveries (now 113816) πΉ Brazil: +121 cases (now 2554), +2 deaths (now 59) πΉ Jamaica: +1 cases (now 26) πΉ Panama: +115 cases (now 558), +1 recoveries (now 2) πΉ Trinidad and Tobago: +1 deaths (now 1) πΉ US: +8 cases (now 65652) | 00:40 |
euod[m] | I rather morbidly was trying to estimate the crematorium capacity of the US recently. | 00:41 |
euod[m] | itβs fairly low. | 00:41 |
oriba | LjL: it's just a fake news, some politicians said... I think about the same people now blame china today... for telling lies. | 00:43 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global death toll passes 20,000, as Spain overtakes China as second worst-hit country β from WHO at 23:40: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 00:49 |
tang3nt_man[m] | !data UK | 00:58 |
LjL | oriba, what is fake news? | 00:59 |
LjL | second worst hit country? | 01:00 |
LjL | %cases spain | 01:00 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 49515 cases, 3647 deaths (7.4% of cases), 5367 recoveries as of March 25, 23:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 01:00 |
LjL | %cases italy | 01:00 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 25, 23:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 01:00 |
LjL | i'm slightly confused | 01:00 |
LjL | but that death rate sure is going up in spain | 01:00 |
LjL | oh, second before china, with italy first | 01:01 |
LjL | we still win | 01:01 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 23:54: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 01:01 |
LjL | so yeah, again, totally a bad cold, or a flu. meh | 01:02 |
bin_bash | a spanish flu | 01:02 |
bin_bash | haha get it | 01:02 |
cews | Hope you're managing ok | 01:02 |
cews | Sending everything good wishes. | 01:02 |
cews | everything/everyone | 01:03 |
cews | Let me retype | 01:03 |
LjL | i'm alright... as long as the supermarket can still make deliveries | 01:04 |
LjL | and also, until i'm not, i guess | 01:04 |
LjL | but Spain and US look to be headed to overtaking Italy in a not very good way | 01:04 |
LjL | that thing about antibiotic resistence... | 01:04 |
bin_bash | it's a virus not a bacteria | 01:05 |
bin_bash | where did you see anything about antibiotics | 01:05 |
dunnp | NYC is going to be a disaster I think | 01:05 |
bin_bash | it'll end up ok in the end | 01:05 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +303 cases (now 468618), +11 deaths (now 21193), +2 recoveries (now 113818) πΈ Quebec, Canada: +329 cases (now 1342), +2 deaths (now 6) πΈ New South Wales, Australia: +211 cases (now 1029) πΉ Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πΉ Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πΉ Queensland, Australia: +46 cases (now 443) πΉ Tasmania, Australia: +8 cases (now 36) [... want %more?] | 01:05 |
bin_bash | for the survivors i mean | 01:05 |
LjL | oriba, Italy and Greece are by far the worst (for some reason, not sure if our doctors are just way worse with prescribing too many antibiotics, or what), but spain is actually not that bad at all | 01:05 |
LjL | and yet their death rate is spiking up now | 01:05 |
LjL | 7.4% is already a lot higher than i'd have hoped to see | 01:06 |
LjL | bin_bash, that's simplistic, of course it's a virus | 01:06 |
LjL | maybe you can scroll up too the same way that i did :P | 01:06 |
LjL | <oriba> LjL: antibiotic resistance as the key to italy's high daeath rates? -> https://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=4 | 01:06 |
LjL | 18<24oriba18> https://www.sepsis-stiftung.eu/blog/coronavirus-und-sepsis/ | 01:06 |
LjL | 20<LjL>30 Yeah, but we would have to look at individual files to look for either sepsis or antibiotic use | 01:06 |
bin_bash | i did scroll up, but my scrollback didnt have it | 01:07 |
LjL | there are secondary infections, and people can die "with covid", as they say in italy, but for causes that ultimately the health institute attributes differently | 01:07 |
LjL | but it's not like they let us see the individual files | 01:07 |
LjL | so all i can do now is say... spain is bad, yet spain doesn't seem to have much of an antibiotic resistence problem | 01:08 |
bin_bash | ah yeah | 01:08 |
LjL | as to greece, they have too few cases to say anything for now i guess | 01:08 |
bin_bash | if you end up with sepsis as a secondary or cdiff or mrsa or any other easy-to-spread bacterial infections that love to run rampant in hospitals, well you're fucked | 01:08 |
darsie | I wish https://offloop.net/covid19 had cases/100,000 ppl for better comparison between countries. | 01:08 |
LjL | and hospitals in lombardy now are way more crowded than they are usually, so those things can spread more easily | 01:09 |
bin_bash | LjL: also i misread your comment at first. i thought it said "that's the thing about antibiotic resistence" | 01:09 |
darsie | Or /1,000,000 ppl | 01:09 |
LjL | darsie, it may come, tinwhiskers couldn't find a good source of population figures that included also US states etc... but i think now he's busier with playing catchup with JHU | 01:09 |
darsie | JHU? | 01:10 |
bin_bash | johns hopkins universoity | 01:10 |
LjL | bin_bash, ah, no, i had only realized that spain could be a counterexample | 01:10 |
LjL | darsie, it's the source of the data most everyone uses | 01:10 |
LjL | but they really like to change everything all the time, and now they seem to have dropped US states | 01:10 |
bin_bash | yeah | 01:10 |
LjL | 18<25Brainstorm18> New from r/WorldNews at 21:06 UTC: worldnews: Snowden warns: The surveillance states and use of high-tech surveillance measures to combat the coronavirus outbreak will outlast the virus β https://is.gd/yLEKS1 | 01:13 |
LjL | i mean, he's not wrong. but can anyone really think about that right now? | 01:13 |
LjL | it's the perfect storm in more than one way, for sure | 01:13 |
LjL | also my bot should be set up to post these things here directly, but instead it does not | 01:14 |
fructose | https://i.imgur.com/KZFlzkX.png | 01:14 |
oriba | calculate the risk of getting covid19: http://koronagrafy.techbrick.cz/en/index.html | 01:15 |
oriba | looks nixe. | 01:15 |
oriba | s/nixe/nice/g | 01:15 |
Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: looks nice. | 01:15 |
oriba | but: likelyhood above 1 looks a bit strange, hehe | 01:16 |
oriba | ah, no it's in % | 01:16 |
oriba | and 100 is maximum | 01:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global death toll passes 20,000, as Spain overtakes China as second worst-hit country β from WHO at 00:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 01:19 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than Chinaβs; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β from WHO at 00:23: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 01:32 |
LjL | fructose, from your graph it would seem like what italy is doing is actually working. but i remember those graphs even from a fair amount of time ago showed italy being "promising" in terms of doubling time | 01:34 |
LjL | oriba, kinda nice, but as it admittedly says, it doesn't make much sense to calculate individual probability. apart from the fact that i have no idea how many people i meet when i go out, selecting Italy will give me a certain probability, but if the site knew i am in Lombardy and had data for Lombardy, it'd give an entirely different number | 01:37 |
LjL | country borders don't even mean much anymore, since everyone is under lockdown so "everything" is a border | 01:37 |
LjL | i must admit i had something else in mind when i thought of the phrase "abolishing borders", but | 01:37 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +164 cases (now 468782), +6 deaths (now 21199), +406 recoveries (now 114224) πΈ China: +67 cases (now 81285), +6 deaths (now 3287), +401 recoveries (now 74051) πΉ Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πΉ Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πΉ New Zealand: +78 cases (now 283), +5 recoveries (now 27) πΉ US: +19 cases (now 65797) | 01:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 00:38: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 01:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β from WHO at 00:43: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 01:57 |
fructose | LjL: It's far from fool-proof. A lack of testing will make it look like a country is doing well, for example | 01:57 |
LjL | fructose, i have a feeling something could be inferred out of how many tests we're doing and how many of those are positive, but i'm not entirely sure *what* could be inferred | 01:57 |
LjL | just back-of-my-head feeling "that's known data to be used there somehow, find an equation to put it in" | 01:58 |
LjL | %title https://blog.archive.org/2020/03/24/announcing-a-national-emergency-library-to-provide-digitized-books-to-students-and-the-public/ | 02:00 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From blog.archive.org: Announcing a National Emergency Library to Provide Digitized Books to Students and the Public | Internet Archive Blogs | 02:00 |
fructose | LjL: I think you need a lot of context for that, which is not being made available to riffraff like me | 02:00 |
LjL | fructose, in some cases not even the number of tests is made available in the first place | 02:00 |
LjL | but yeah i suppose you'd need to know the exact protocols for selecting whom to test | 02:01 |
LjL | and then also reason a lot on what they entail | 02:01 |
LjL | still. data. unused. | 02:01 |
fructose | Right, let alone the test type, lab, patient symptoms, patient travel history, restrictions on testing, etc. | 02:02 |
LjL | at least i guess i can say if i read "2000 found positive today" and think "whoooo yeah, that's the same as yesterday!" and then i also read "2000 tests performed today", well, whoops. | 02:02 |
LjL | but that's not the case *even* in italy, we're finding somewhere between 20% and 25% | 02:02 |
LjL | fructose, i was thinking that maybe something could be inferred from the *change* in percentage of positive found, but there's no guarantee the protocols for testing patients don't change over time (in fact they do) | 02:03 |
LjL | anyway, today (well yesterday) Italy has tested the most patients in one day since the beginning | 02:05 |
LjL | i guess that's encouraging in terms of our testing abilities at least | 02:05 |
LjL | since in terms of getting patients out of ICU beds alive, we're not being great | 02:06 |
fructose | LjL: Right, some areas are not testing because they might as well just assume everyone has it and use the tests to locate outbreaks in other areas | 02:09 |
LjL | for a value of some_areas == LjL | 02:10 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +261 cases (now 469043), +2 deaths (now 21201) πΈ US: +251 cases (now 66048), +2 deaths (now 944) πΉ Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πΉ Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πΉ Bolivia: +6 cases (now 38) πΉ El Salvador: +4 cases (now 13) | 02:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 01:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 02:21 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β from WHO at 01:24: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 02:27 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 01:24: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 02:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β from WHO at 01:35: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 02:40 |
berndj | for german speakers: i'm finding this very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc9BhpKfh2E | 02:42 |
berndj | ^ just one theme: some cases develop a throat infection before the virus moves on to the lungs. hypothesis: that this "early" infection gets the immune system going earlier, churning out antibodies by the time the lungs get involved | 02:44 |
berndj | which reminds me of another question i've had: do "mouth-breathers" get hit harder than nose-breathers? | 02:45 |
fructose | berndj: My question is if windy weather is more dangerous than calm weather | 02:46 |
LjL | berndj, there was a hypothesis somewhere that face masks could help because even if you got it anyway (say through your eyes), entrance from the nose could be associated with more risk of central nervous system involvement | 02:47 |
LjL | not the same as what you asked, but also related to nose vs not | 02:47 |
berndj | wait, central nervous system involvement?? | 02:47 |
LjL | berndj, yeah there was certain evidence for that | 02:47 |
LjL | in some cases | 02:47 |
berndj | fructose, i'd be interested in that too, since i live in a rather windy city | 02:48 |
LjL | i can try to find the paper but no guarantees | 02:48 |
berndj | LjL, i know virus has been found in basically all tissues; does that imply actual *infection* of all tissues? | 02:48 |
fructose | https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.25728 | 02:49 |
LjL | berndj, in that case there were symptoms like mental confusion, and also, the hypothesis that part of the respiratory issues were themselves mediated by nerve reactions going haywire | 02:49 |
fructose | One paper | 02:49 |
berndj | LjL, does initial dose matter? | 02:49 |
LjL | berndj, who knows | 02:49 |
bin_bash | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32167747 | 02:49 |
Birosso | %cases germany | 02:49 |
Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 37323 cases, 206 deaths (0.6% of cases), 3547 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 5.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:49 |
berndj | like does getting just one viral particle give you 14 more minutes to mount an immune response | 02:49 |
LjL | berndj, i feel like dose size matters, based on the subjective impression that healthcare workers not only get this a lot, but get this *badly* | 02:49 |
LjL | berndj, if you just get a tiny amount like that, chances are nothing happens at all | 02:49 |
berndj | infection is a kinda statistical process isn't it? | 02:50 |
bin_bash | https://www.cureus.com/articles/29414-neurological-complications-of-coronavirus-disease-covid-19-encephalopathy | 02:50 |
berndj | like you CAN in principle get sick from just one viral particle, but you're *unlikely* to? | 02:50 |
LjL | well good thing i didn't have to find the paper, my grep finger was already sore | 02:50 |
berndj | Birosso, i'm still "upset" that it's "das Virus"! | 02:50 |
LjL | berndj, i guess i would say that, but i'm no virologist | 02:50 |
Birosso | berndj, why is that upsetting? | 02:51 |
berndj | Birosso, my whole life i've thought of it as "der Virus"! | 02:51 |
ryouma | raccanielo spoke of an inoculation amount. implying that if you still have a few virions on a package, you would not get sick. but do not act on my hearsay comment. | 02:51 |
LjL | Birosso, status update? | 02:51 |
ryouma | in twiv | 02:51 |
Birosso | berndj, just go with your gut feeling. | 02:51 |
Birosso | Nothing is more infuriating than "das Maedchen." | 02:51 |
Birosso | LjL, nothing. | 02:51 |
berndj | Birosso, that's the thing though - my "sprachgefΓΌhl" is wrong here | 02:51 |
LjL | die Birosso ist geinfuriatet | 02:52 |
LjL | Birosso, tbh i don't even know if Germany is in lockdown | 02:52 |
LjL | i need a lockdowns map | 02:52 |
berndj | i believe it is | 02:52 |
Birosso | I'm sitting at home working online, saving money, and practicing the piano when my hands aren't hurting too much. Brushing up my C and MATLAB in preparation for an internship. | 02:52 |
Birosso | Maybe. | 02:52 |
Birosso | At some point. | 02:52 |
berndj | no groups more than 2 | 02:52 |
Birosso | I think the one I applied for is gone. | 02:52 |
Birosso | I sent an email asking for a status update. I was surprised by how urgent and desperate the tone of the reply was. | 02:52 |
Birosso | They're a huge company, but they seem to be in shambles because of this. | 02:53 |
berndj | LjL, we'll apparently not be allowed to even walk our dogs from tomorrow night :( | 02:53 |
Birosso | LjL, we're not officially in lockdown, but | 02:53 |
Birosso | "social distancing." | 02:53 |
Birosso | For example, no one is allowed to enter a supermarket without a shopping cart anymore. | 02:53 |
Birosso | To control the numbers and create distances between people. | 02:53 |
LjL | berndj, Birosso: wut, well, get to agree with each other, because not being able to walk your dog is a lockdown | 02:53 |
berndj | LjL, i thought no more group-formation > 2 is allowed? | 02:53 |
Birosso | Any queue requires that you leave two meters between you and anyone else around. | 02:53 |
berndj | LjL, i'm in south africa, not germany (although i am german) | 02:54 |
LjL | berndj, oh of course you are, sorry | 02:54 |
Birosso | I think Berlin might get a lockdown soon. | 02:54 |
bin_bash | i dont want to touch a nasty shopping cart | 02:54 |
Birosso | People there aren't behaving. | 02:54 |
Birosso | Think they even tried to enforce it, but something got in the way. | 02:54 |
LjL | Birosso, maybe they should build some kind of wall around it | 02:54 |
berndj | some idiot students in my city had a "corona party" within the last couple of days :( | 02:55 |
LjL | berndj, someone joined here earlier today telling people where to go instead of beaches in Florida, since some other beach was open or something | 02:55 |
Birosso | "Heute Tag der Entscheidung! Bekommt Berlin eine Ausgangssperre?" berndj | 02:55 |
LjL | i didn't even ban them, unsure why | 02:55 |
Birosso | This was four days ago. It wasn't approved. | 02:55 |
Birosso | Now they have a "Kontaktverbot" instead. | 02:56 |
LjL | Birosso, it is a very good idea to lock down specific areas while not making very, very sure people don't know in advance | 02:56 |
berndj | LjL, here too people seem to be more concerned about the inconvenience of a lockdown than about a fucking pandemic | 02:56 |
LjL | berndj, someone else earlier dared to say it's pretty much just a bad cold. still. not even a flu. a cold. | 02:56 |
ryouma | there has to be a solution to that | 02:56 |
LjL | also not sure why i didn't ban | 02:56 |
Birosso | LjL, indeed. Also, regarding students, people have stared talking about students in the past couple of days. It's starting to hurt financially now. | 02:57 |
Birosso | I would've been in prison if I hadn't found this job. Surprised I finally had some good luck. | 02:57 |
LjL | Birosso, many people are hurt financially, but not all of them hold "corona parties" of cough in front of old people on purpose | 02:57 |
Birosso | Although one can hardly call this entire situation good luck. | 02:57 |
ryouma | just brainstorming but hire a bunch of folk to grab them by the scruff of the neck and make them lie down on the ice in the skating rink that is being used as a morgue? charge them with terrorism? um, you know govts are already putting propaganda on sm and tv and stuff so why not a bit of truth? | 02:57 |
berndj | yeah people are confusing "if i in particular get it i'm most likely to be very much ok" with "that's how it would be for anybody" | 02:57 |
Birosso | LjL, yes, many are hurting. Problem with students is, a lot of them have nothing. Not even a house to weather the storm out in. | 02:58 |
LjL | Birosso, well at least now you're much less likely to be repatriated since there are practically no flights from anywhere to anywhere | 02:58 |
Birosso | It's a bit different if you're in your 40s and maybe have some savings to fall back on. | 02:58 |
Birosso | LjL, wrong. | 02:58 |
Birosso | Embassies can still arrange flights. | 02:58 |
Birosso | In fact, the Egyptian embassy is offering flights to any expats who want to go back. | 02:58 |
LjL | Birosso, and you're declining?! | 02:59 |
Birosso | Uhhhhhhhhh | 02:59 |
Birosso | UHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 02:59 |
Birosso | UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 02:59 |
Birosso | Yes. | 02:59 |
LjL | calm it | 02:59 |
LjL | was joke | 02:59 |
Birosso | Okoay. | 02:59 |
Birosso | Anyway, these might cease to become voluntary trips if you run out of money. | 02:59 |
Birosso | In fact I know another Egyptian studying here who just might have to go back. Can't cover expenses anymore due to lack of work. | 03:00 |
Birosso | Probably will. | 03:00 |
LjL | Birosso, well let me know if you're about to be deported | 03:00 |
ryouma | you could perhaps, seriously, shop and deliver | 03:02 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 02:00: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 03:04 |
cbeams | %data unitedstates | 03:13 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +110640 cases (now 579683), +3177 deaths (now 24378), +4470 recoveries (now 118694) πΈ Georgia: +1312 cases (now 1387), +47 deaths (now 47) πΈ Hubei, China: +932 recoveries (now 60811) πΈ China: +382 cases (now 81667) πΉ Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πΉ Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πΉ Australia: +1 recoveries (now 119) [... want %more?] | 03:13 |
Brainstorm | cbeams: Sorry, unitedstates not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:13 |
cbeams | %data us | 03:13 |
Brainstorm | cbeams: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 03:13 |
LjL | cbeams, well that should actually have worked | 03:14 |
LjL | but the data are being a chore | 03:14 |
LjL | %data united states | 03:14 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 03:14 |
Birosso | "+110640 cases " | 03:14 |
cbeams | hahaha | 03:14 |
Birosso | Is that in the last 24 hours? | 03:14 |
Birosso | Or what time period? | 03:14 |
LjL | cbeams, just look at the linked site for now | 03:14 |
cbeams | i figured it should have worked but didnt for some reason | 03:14 |
LjL | Birosso, no, it's data glitches | 03:14 |
xionbox[m] | https://covid19tracker.cc/ has been updated to reflect the "new cases/death/recoveries" in the last 24h, and the total numbers per one million people | 03:14 |
LjL | JHU playing up | 03:14 |
xionbox[m] | Really puts htings in perspective | 03:14 |
cbeams | sure | 03:14 |
cbeams | thanks | 03:15 |
LjL | hopefully we'll have a better source than JHU soon since JHU is not being very good | 03:15 |
cbeams | Well the CDC isn't reliable, either since private labs and physicians do not have to report positive test results | 03:16 |
cbeams | Unfortunately | 03:16 |
LjL | xionbox[m], hold on a sec, how is the US redder than Italy | 03:16 |
LjL | ah, maybe it's about the daily increase | 03:16 |
xionbox[m] | LjL: I don't know. It's confusing me too | 03:16 |
LjL | the US is rising more rapidly now | 03:17 |
cbeams | Hm there is a "24 hours" tab on the bottom of the map | 03:17 |
xionbox[m] | If it is based on the last 24h, then it's only the absolute increase in cases | 03:17 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:11 UTC: /u/slakmehl: US reports more than 200 deaths in a single day for the first time. β from WHO at 02:11: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/zx5Gn6 | 03:17 |
cbeams | So you think if it were coloring it based on daily increase that would be there | 03:17 |
xionbox[m] | More new deaths in Italy still | 03:17 |
LjL | crossingzero, but i cannot click on that one | 03:17 |
berndj | is italy over the hump yet? | 03:17 |
LjL | xionbox[m], yeah but deaths lag behind | 03:17 |
LjL | berndj, hard to say, it's fairly linear right now | 03:18 |
xionbox[m] | LjL: true | 03:18 |
LjL | benkolera, but it was fairly linear before and then went back up | 03:18 |
LjL | also berndj | 03:18 |
LjL | and for those tho thought Italy had a completely peculiar combination of factors giving it a high mortality | 03:18 |
LjL | %data spain | 03:18 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 49515 cases, 3647 deaths (7.4% of cases), 5367 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 03:18 |
LjL | better hope Spain is very peculiar too | 03:18 |
berndj | i'm worried that spain will be italy 2.0 | 03:19 |
xionbox[m] | On another note, I had a call with relatively high up civil servants in the US who say that their management is expecting the "work from home" policy to last a year | 03:19 |
xionbox[m] | For the US | 03:19 |
LjL | xionbox[m], naaaah they'll be in church by Easter | 03:19 |
tinwhiskers | %cases texas | 03:19 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Texas, US, there are 1155 cases, 15 deaths (1.3% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:19 |
xionbox[m] | Grim development, I don't think that information is public yet. Our call was not about covid though | 03:19 |
xionbox[m] | LjL: oh right. Easter 2021, right? | 03:20 |
LjL | xionbox[m], well he didn't say! that was pretty clever | 03:20 |
xionbox[m] | ;-) | 03:20 |
LjL | i better not tell my family | 03:20 |
LjL | they're barely adjusting to the idea that 3 months is to be expected | 03:21 |
berndj | %cases south africa | 03:21 |
Brainstorm | berndj: In all areas, South Africa, there are 709 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 12 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Africa for time series data. | 03:21 |
LjL | south africans as immortal as germans | 03:21 |
berndj | yeah, we were talking about that in a local channel | 03:21 |
LjL | i almost typed immoral, that would have been embarrassing. | 03:21 |
berndj | we're a young population though | 03:21 |
berndj | oh, we're pretty immoral too, imho | 03:21 |
LjL | damn yeah, i need average age in the bot, as well as total population | 03:22 |
LjL | if only i could install any modules at all without pipenv breaking | 03:22 |
berndj | although most of our known cases are still returning travelers, so skewed somewhat older (older = wealthier) | 03:22 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 02:13: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 03:23 |
berndj | LjL, you're joking about immortality, but i do wonder if recent selective events have played a role in some national differences | 03:24 |
LjL | are you playing the eugenics card | 03:26 |
berndj | i tend to see "eugenics" as a deliberate thing | 03:27 |
berndj | i'm thinking of wars and such | 03:27 |
LjL | oh | 03:27 |
LjL | well, germany has last had a war when... we last had a war | 03:27 |
LjL | same side, even | 03:27 |
LjL | but the mortality is a tad different | 03:27 |
cbeams | eugenics is more social programming, no? whereas LjL you were wondering of the covid outbreak is going to cause a demographic shift? | 03:27 |
LjL | no | 03:28 |
LjL | i was wondering if berndj meant that, uhm, people who have been deemed at some point as inferiors have already been removed from the gene pool | 03:28 |
LjL | i'm kind of glad he didn't mean that | 03:28 |
berndj | cbeams, i see "eugenics" (as a noun) as referring to a deliberate attempt at "improving the gene stock", while "eugenic" (as an adjective / adverb) can be just a value-neutral retrospective description of some change | 03:29 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 67 imported cases, Spain's death count spikes β from WHO at 02:23: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 03:29 |
cbeams | that makes sense berndj | 03:30 |
berndj | LjL, i didn't intend to reference eugenics specifically, but genocides would be examples of the "selective events" i'm wondering about. but famines and other epidemics would fit the description too | 03:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β from WHO at 02:29: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 03:35 |
cbeams | ah that last update is no good | 03:36 |
berndj | none of any of this is good :( | 03:36 |
xionbox[m] | Jack Ma sponsored the publishing of a handbook on how to deal with Covid19: https://covid-19.alibabacloud.com/ . I haven't read it (and probably won't), but it's a great move by the founder of Alibaba to try help the world. Seems like after this is all over, China will save the day, not the US. A sad state of affairs | 03:36 |
xionbox[m] | Actually curious so I'm skimming through it now. Seems like a bullet point list | 03:36 |
cbeams | their reported numbers strike me as very very suspicious, though | 03:37 |
fructose | xionbox[m]: US will be lucky if it saves itself | 03:41 |
fructose | The President is publicly advocating for packed churches | 03:42 |
xionbox[m] | fructose: agreed. Such epidemics (at the US level) is what causes empires to fall | 03:42 |
strongdev | Anyone here in Canada? | 03:43 |
cbeams | I went to Target because the baby needed wipes and we were running low on some supplies. I witnessed a lot of absolute carelessness. | 03:45 |
cbeams | Groups hanging out, people just chatting with strangers, etc. | 03:46 |
cbeams | damn shame | 03:46 |
gildarts | Well, I hope we don't insure them. | 03:46 |
fructose | cbeams: What region? | 03:50 |
cbeams | north mid atlantic us | 03:50 |
fructose | So close to the largest outbreak on the continent, great | 03:51 |
ryouma | in common english and western subcultures, i don't think eugenic is used neutrally, and by being an obvious cognate and with obvious etymology, will basically always evoke the pseudoscience called eugenics. eugenic is not a common word, used not much more than cacogenic, which basically nobody has heard of. | 03:52 |
cbeams | yeah exactly fructose... people just don't care here, it seems. | 03:53 |
ryouma | i think if you want something neutral, you have to spell it out in words. and even there, you have to spell out your meaning. selective events is probably best spelled out also -- genes vs. effect on culture vs. whatever anybody might interpret, eugenically or euthenically or neutrally. | 03:54 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:47 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The United States continues to rise towards being the preeminent epicenter of the coronavirus on Earth. β from WHO at 02:47: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/ISx5Gl | 03:54 |
LjL | as long as they are the preeminent epicenter | 03:55 |
ryouma | preeminent. huh. | 03:55 |
LjL | some probably find this reassuring | 03:55 |
ryouma | was thinking the same thing | 03:55 |
cbeams | ah now my wife is freaking out. i think the spain announcement was the last straw. doesn't help my mother works in a hospital around here. | 03:59 |
aeth | xionbox[m]: re emipres falling... including the Roman Empire. I mean, technically the Western Roman Empire had already fallen, but if the Plague of Justinian did not happen, then Italy might have remained in Eastern Roman (i.e. Roman) hands, in which case "Rome falling" might not be a thing one talks about. 40% fatal, though, not 2%-10%. | 04:00 |
ryouma | (some who have not seen the history think "eugenics was a good idea in principle, distorted by that unfortunate event in the 1900s" but if you trace the direct antecedents to that event, such as the sterilization programs in the us, you find pretty quickly the degree of pseudoscience complete with pernicious intent tied up in all of it. quite relevantly to the topic of views we've seen expressed re covid, and which | 04:01 |
ryouma | i beileve are a serious threat, my guess is that action t4 would almost certainly not have occurred without those pseudoscience antecedents, despite there being plenty of nonsense racial/national theories to go around in the ... country of that event later.) | 04:01 |
ryouma | um, what i am saying is, we seriously face a threat of what a common person would think of as genocidal attitudes ... and what amount to implicit or explicit extermination policies, hiding behind a virus. | 04:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:00 UTC: /u/slakmehl: How coronavirus took just weeks to overwhelm Spain | World news | The Guardian β from WHO at 03:00: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/EA4zXZ | 04:06 |
LjL | The plague weakened the Byzantine Empire at a critical point, when Justinian's armies had nearly retaken all of Italy and the western Mediterranean coast; the evolving conquest would have reunited the core of the Western Roman Empire with the Eastern Roman Empire. Although the conquest occurred in 554, the reunification did not last long. In 568, the Lombards invaded Northern Italy, defeated the small Byzantine army that had been left behind and | 04:09 |
LjL | established the Kingdom of the Lombards. | 04:09 |
LjL | Lombardy repeats | 04:09 |
LjL | ryouma, "hiding behind a virus" in what way? | 04:11 |
berndj | ryouma, who is seriously facing a threat of extermination? | 04:11 |
ryouma | berndj: i think that the world was in a politically parlous state before the pandemic; with the pandemic we face a threat of many types of events occurring. the pandemic can be a pretext, or a trigger, or an opportunity. but it can also just destabilize. we face the threat of extermination events (similar to genocides) and wars. in the case of policy, decisions about herd immunity vs. containment and so on (thin | 04:15 |
ryouma | k uk, and us's national level non-policies and dilatory govs all over) have direct effects on populations (elderly, sick) that might have gone differently if the virus had a different profile, such as attacking only children. | 04:15 |
cbeams | there is that saying "never waste a good crisis, too" and times have shown that global issues of this magnitude oft lead to significant sociopolitical change | 04:16 |
cbeams | *"never waste a good crisis", too | 04:17 |
berndj | ryouma, i don't see anything like that happening anything like civilization-wide. if it happens (and i can see some hot-spots of danger), it'll be local and in poor regions | 04:18 |
ryouma | i didn't say where it would be or at what granularity | 04:19 |
berndj | like no, neither the UK nor the US are heading for anyone's deliberate extermination | 04:19 |
ryouma | i didn't say deliberate per se. genocides require intent. extermination events, at the level of the perpetrator, do not. | 04:19 |
ryouma | although i do not rule out deliberate | 04:19 |
berndj | yeah, extermination events, whether deliberate or not, will not be happening in the west | 04:20 |
berndj | i doubt you'll even see pogroms. at worst a few lone wolf assaults | 04:21 |
ryouma | i think it is a real threat in many places including in the west. certainly, policy decisions have already, whether with the best of intentions or not, consigned populations to death that would not have been the case given a different pandemic profile or different or earlier decisions. | 04:22 |
ryouma | your opinion might differ | 04:23 |
ryouma | i think we do not live in stable times | 04:23 |
berndj | i don't know what you're including in "the west". i can't think of anything i would call "the west" where that's at all plausibly in play | 04:24 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:15 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than Chinaβs; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β from WHO at 03:15: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 04:25 |
ryouma | define "that" please? | 04:25 |
orgg | holy shit, this volunteer work is starting to wear on me a bit mentally... being in charge tonight for the first time was... quite a bit more stressful than just being a volunteer. | 04:25 |
berndj | some molotov cocktails, overturned cars and burning trashcans, sure | 04:25 |
orgg | but somehow I'm now team lead for a while... | 04:25 |
ryouma | (note i am at end of ability to type so cannot have an extended discussion) | 04:25 |
berndj | ryouma, my "that" refers to any extermination event | 04:26 |
orgg | I think things will go smoother over time - but it sucks when communication issues make people's lives more difficult. | 04:26 |
ryouma | berndj: future historians might interpret a leader saying let 'er rip 'cause we need taht stock market to rise or whatever, as opposed to containment, differently from today | 04:26 |
ryouma | just as one example | 04:26 |
orgg | had the red cross send one person to the hospital for triage because they didn't realize we had actual RN's doing telehealth... guy should have just gone to a hotel. | 04:27 |
orgg | not a hospital to be re-evaluated to go to a hotel. | 04:27 |
orgg | the right people have been talked to and it won't happen again - but fuck. | 04:27 |
orgg | some of these little things are hard to watch. | 04:27 |
orgg | probably wasted a few hours of his time - thanks to how the red cross decided to handle things because of no communication | 04:28 |
orgg | </bitch> | 04:28 |
Scarecr0w | lol, dropped HTML bomb huh? | 04:29 |
orgg | just trying to stop bitching now. | 04:29 |
ryouma | :( | 04:29 |
orgg | It's still a good thing I'm doing and it will get smoother over time. | 04:29 |
berndj | ryouma, when i hear "extermination event" in my mind's eye i see machetes, not the stochastic sword of a virus | 04:29 |
ryouma | berndj: i don't think it's merely a virus. the result of policy is not random. | 04:30 |
ryouma | it is certainly a different optics from rwanda at this time | 04:30 |
berndj | and i *do* see machetes possibly coming out in a few hotspots, but none in the west | 04:30 |
ryouma | some populations are at the edge of survival anyway and are not being seriously considered in policy in many places, as a general point. orgg is perhaps dealing with this type of thing. this type of policy consequence should be seen as a real threat regardless of what you call it or compare it to. | 04:31 |
berndj | so i find this "bad orange man is crypto-exterminating people" talk a bit trivializing of real dangers | 04:31 |
berndj | of course it's a real threat. i just think calling it an "extermination event" is irresponsible | 04:32 |
ryouma | no, i do not have a conspiracy theory about that, and i said no such thing, of course. i am raising dangers. there is always this reluctance to raise dangers because it feels like trivializing the past. but i think those of the past would want us to remember and be cautious. | 04:32 |
ryouma | i said we face the threat of extermiantion events. perhaps you disagree. | 04:33 |
ryouma | this is looking like it will require more typing and energy than i can do; already past limit | 04:33 |
berndj | i should show you some tweets flying around in my own country if you want to get scared of "extermination event" | 04:33 |
ryouma | it is a term of art, not something i just made up | 04:34 |
ryouma | so the quotes are not needed | 04:34 |
ryouma | the irresponsible thing, you need to define "it", sorry, precision prevents talking at cross purposes. | 04:35 |
ryouma | i think i sohuld stop however | 04:35 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 03:34: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 04:37 |
ryouma | (um one last thing bear in mind that i am implicitly referring to eugenics-like sentiments that have been expressed in various places including in this channel, but not today; also realize my brain is fried so might have stated differently if not in a couple of places.) | 04:42 |
tinwhiskers | %cases us | 04:43 |
Brainstorm | πΈ US: +2163 cases (now 68211), +83 deaths (now 1027) πΈ New York, US: +2155 cases (now 32966), +81 deaths (now 366) πΉ Alaska, US: +1 cases (now 42) πΉ Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πΉ Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πΉ Austria: +1 deaths (now 31) πΉ Bolivia: +6 cases (now 38) πΉ Diamond Princess: +10 recoveries (now 597) πΉ Florida, US: +25 cases (now 1977) [... want %more?] | 04:43 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 03:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 04:43 |
tinwhiskers | %cases usa | 04:43 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 03:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 04:43 |
LjL | i'm not entirely sure why that's happening | 04:43 |
tinwhiskers | Well, it's likely at my end. | 04:44 |
tinwhiskers | I think previously where I might have had US;US;68367;1029;394;1585193880000 it's now US;;68367;1029;394;1585193880000 | 04:45 |
tinwhiskers | %cases us | 04:51 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +267 cases (now 472786), +9 deaths (now 21341), +414 recoveries (now 114642) πΈ Korea, South: +104 cases (now 9241), +5 deaths (now 131), +414 recoveries (now 4144) πΉ Alaska, US: +1 cases (now 42) πΉ Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πΉ Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πΉ Austria: +1 deaths (now 31) πΉ Bolivia: +6 cases (now 38) [... want %more?] | 04:51 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 03:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 04:51 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:52 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Senate passes massive $2 trillion coronavirus spending bill β from WHO at 03:52: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/akDZfy | 04:55 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 04:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 05:08 |
fructose | The last commit deleted state-based data for me | 05:11 |
orgg | this is why REST services are created. | 05:12 |
orgg | er... endpoints. | 05:12 |
orgg | whatever. | 05:12 |
orgg | or even direct calls to the rdbms... that should be loaded :) | 05:12 |
redpyramidthing| | is it really bad to reuse ffp3 masks if im not in close contact with confirmed carriers and understand things like to clean hands all the time? | 05:18 |
fructose | redpyramidthing|: https://www.livescience.com/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html | 05:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than Chinaβs; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β from WHO at 04:14: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 05:26 |
oriba2 | 7bye | 05:27 |
oriba2 | s/7bye// | 05:27 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 04:32: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 05:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 04:44: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 05:51 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 04:45: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 05:57 |
isvarahparamahkr | Hare Krsna | 06:06 |
skyofdust | Damn it looks like my partner is infected. :/ | 06:08 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:05 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than Chinaβs; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β from WHO at 05:05: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 06:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 05:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 06:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 05:20: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 06:27 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +342 cases (now 473234), +2 deaths (now 21345), +54 recoveries (now 114696) πΉ Alaska, US: +17 cases (now 59) πΉ Australia: +38 cases (now 2766), +52 recoveries (now 170) πΉ California, US: +4 cases (now 3158) πΉ India: +1 cases (now 665), +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Kazakhstan: +7 cases (now 88), +2 recoveries (now 2) πΉ Macao: +1 cases (now 31) [... want %more?] | 06:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 05:52: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 06:58 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:02 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 06:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 07:11 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 06:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 07:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:21 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 06:21: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 07:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:31 UTC: India needs a support package 'much larger' than $20 billion for the three-week lockdown: Most of the country's 1.3 billion people have been told to stay indoors for 21 days starting Wednesday as part of the government's efforts to slow down the coronavirus outbreak. [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/J2QxGm | 07:36 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 06:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive but 'remains in good health' β from WHO at 06:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/DuKQO2 | 07:42 |
dividediff[m] | Plague infograph; | 07:51 |
dividediff[m] | Seemingly influenza kills 650 000 / yrs / globally | 07:55 |
dividediff[m] | Malaria 400 000 / yrs/ global | 07:55 |
dividediff[m] | I'm not sure why malaria and influenza aren't on the infographics since they surprass hk flu kill count | 07:55 |
dividediff[m] | nvm malaria is there | 07:56 |
xionbox[m] | Assuming that we've got the 21.2k deaths in four months, we should reach 63.6 in a year. But that assumes that the death rate stays constant, which isn't really likely in the West at least | 07:57 |
xionbox[m] | I guess things would have to be fifteen times worse to make its way on the infographic | 07:57 |
rajrajraj | , | 07:58 |
dividediff[m] | Patty hajdu (canada) said canada is expecting 30% - 70% of ppl to get infected. Assuming the kill rate globally is 3.4%, and that there are 7bill ppl | 07:59 |
dividediff[m] | 0.30.0347000000000 = 71,400,000 deaths global | 08:00 |
dividediff[m] | 0.3x0.034x7000000000 | 08:00 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US Senate passes record $2tn stimulus bill as Tokyo warns against 'explosion' of cases β from WHO at 06:49: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 08:01 |
dividediff[m] | xionbox: I think covid makes the info graphics if hajdu is right | 08:01 |
xionbox[m] | What is hajdu ? | 08:03 |
xionbox[m] | Oh that's someone in Canada? | 08:03 |
xionbox[m] | Ah right, minister of health | 08:03 |
dividediff[m] | She's someone important in health in canada. | 08:04 |
xionbox[m] | Damn, that's really high | 08:04 |
dividediff[m] | yea so hopefully she's wrong and the kill rate is lower | 08:04 |
farn | She might be right about the rate of infection but the true mortality rate is probably nowhere near 3.4% | 08:05 |
strongdev | If the kill rate is >3%, that's high af | 08:06 |
dividediff[m] | farn: ircc korea is at like 1.4%, canada is at 1.1%, italy 7%. USA 5% like last week. So maybe global avg. | 08:06 |
strongdev | I thought it was closer to 1.5% | 08:06 |
farn | dividediff[m]: That's of the people who have been tested. Most places can only test those with moderate to severe symptoms right now, who will be much more likely to die than the average infected person. | 08:07 |
dividediff[m] | According to https://covid19tracker.cc/ | 08:08 |
dividediff[m] | We're at 4.5% globally atm, but i expect it'll lower | 08:08 |
dividediff[m] | farn: tru! | 08:08 |
strongdev | farn: That's it. If we were testing every person, the kill rate would be much lower in the US. | 08:08 |
dividediff[m] | Assuming it's 1% falatity: 0.3x0.01x7000000000 | 08:09 |
dividediff[m] | 21,000,000 | 08:09 |
dividediff[m] | deaths global | 08:09 |
xionbox[m] | I actually just learned that my mom, who lives in France, might have gotten covid mid January! She was consulting for a firm in the south of France near the Italian border. One person in her group of 10 people had had a flu shot, but was awfully sick: fever, lots of coughing, tired. I remember my mother mentioning him to me and trying to convince me that the flu shot was useless. He still showed up to work because this | 08:10 |
xionbox[m] | set of meetings was mandatory. Anyway, this was at the "European-wide" company event. That same company went to Boston two weeks later for their "world wide" event. My mom now says that a number of patients in Boston can be traced back to that company! My mother herself got quite sick mid January with intense coughing and fever, but despite being 65, did not seek medical treatment, only rested for about ten days, and | 08:10 |
xionbox[m] | then she was fine. | 08:10 |
dividediff[m] | In feb i also got ferociously sick, most viral sick i've ever been. In like 7 days i was fine. Drs told me it was a cold/flu. | 08:13 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown β live updates β from WHO at 07:05: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 08:13 |
xionbox[m] | UK is working on 15-minute antibody based test and plans to send those to people's homes. Once we don't have a shortage of tests, it would be interesting in my opinion to test people like you dividediff and my mom, who might have been exposed | 08:16 |
MrtnDk[m] | <xionbox[m] "UK is working on 15-minute antib"> By then, they might already be over it. | 08:17 |
xionbox[m] | guess, yes | 08:17 |
dividediff[m] | xionbox: Yea i'd be interested in that too. Any word for when uk will have it done? | 08:17 |
xionbox[m] | * I guess, yes | 08:17 |
xionbox[m] | dividediff: I don't recall. Let me try to find the Guardian article | 08:17 |
xionbox[m] | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days | 08:17 |
tinwhiskers | xionbox[m]: the antibody test only works *once you have antibodies* in the early stages of infection a pcr test will succeed where an antibody test will fail. | 08:17 |
dividediff[m] | Also i though korea could do it in 10mins for like 200 usd? Like in their drive thrus | 08:17 |
dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: pcr? | 08:18 |
tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: the current testing method | 08:18 |
dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: the swap sinus one right? | 08:18 |
xionbox[m] | tinwhiskers: oh, interesting. That makes sense. Remind me, it's macrophages first for a few days and then antibodies when the person starts to recover? | 08:18 |
tinwhiskers | no | 08:19 |
tinwhiskers | and no | 08:19 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 07:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 08:19 |
tinwhiskers | an antibody test is useful to tell who was previously infected to determine how many asymptomatic cases there were, but it's no so good for contact tracing to actually help reduce the spread of the disease. | 08:19 |
dividediff[m] | Prof Sharon Peacock, the director of the national infection service at PHE, told MPs on the science and technology committee that mass testing in the UK would be possible within days, saying evaluation of the fingerprick tests should be completed this week. The government later took a more cautious line, saying that the tests would not be available so quickly. | 08:20 |
xionbox[m] | tinwhiskers: ok. When do antibodies start to get produced? | 08:20 |
tinwhiskers | PCR (Polymerase chain reaction) is the method of testing for the presence of the virus. It doesn't really matter where you take the sample from, per se. | 08:20 |
tinwhiskers | well, yes you produce antibodies after some period of time, but probably not in the first few days before you start showing symptoms. | 08:21 |
dividediff[m] | xionbox: in the arti\cle; βThe key thing for us to do is evaluate β are these tests accurate enough to be used by the general public?β said Chris Whitty, chief medical officer. | 08:21 |
tinwhiskers | yes, they are | 08:21 |
tinwhiskers | very simple to use, but just not quite as good as PCR | 08:22 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +276 cases (now 473510), +5 deaths (now 21350), +18 recoveries (now 114714) πΉ Alaska, US: +17 cases (now 59) πΉ Armenia: +25 cases (now 290), +2 recoveries (now 18) πΉ Australia: +71 cases (now 2799), +52 recoveries (now 170) πΉ Austria: +3 deaths (now 34) πΉ Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 243) πΉ California, US: +4 cases (now 3158) [... want %more?] | 08:22 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, sorry, I read that as "are they easy for the general public", not "accurate" | 08:23 |
dividediff[m] | canada (3400 cases) is well on it's way for passing korea (9200) in cases within the next 3 weeks | 08:23 |
tinwhiskers | Their accuracy is good, but not early on | 08:23 |
dividediff[m] | hopefully the fingerprick test works | 08:24 |
darsie | tinwhiskers: With spikes in doubling time logarithmic display might help resolve several countries current doubling time. | 08:24 |
tinwhiskers | darsie: you can turn on a log scale with the checkbox below the top graph | 08:24 |
darsie | tinwhiskers: Yeah, but doubling time stays linear. | 08:25 |
tinwhiskers | ohhhh | 08:25 |
tinwhiskers | you want log doubling time? | 08:25 |
darsie | And e.g. USA has spikes up to 80. | 08:25 |
dividediff[m] | Whats the current doubling time atm? | 08:25 |
darsie | tinwhiskers: Yeah. There are probably more important things to do, but yeah, I'd like it. | 08:26 |
tinwhiskers | I see. That would work | 08:26 |
darsie | tinwhiskers: More important would be to get cases/100(0).000 ppl to compare countries better. | 08:27 |
tinwhiskers | I do need to tody that up and a log scale would be one way to do it. I was just going to trim them off about 100 days because it's pretty meaningless at that point | 08:27 |
dividediff[m] | usa's has had 5 digit increases in new case | 08:27 |
tinwhiskers | *tidy | 08:27 |
tinwhiskers | darsie: yeah, if you have a good source for *current* country populations I'm happy to do that | 08:28 |
tinwhiskers | I did look into it but couldn't find anything up-to-date. | 08:28 |
tinwhiskers | and since then I've spent most of my time fighting the bullshit from John Hopkins | 08:29 |
darsie | tinwhiskers: I'd prefer outdated numbers over none. Like from wikipedia. | 08:29 |
tinwhiskers | ok | 08:30 |
darsie | Perhaps with a disclaimer. | 08:30 |
darsie | And maybe with a call for better numbers. | 08:30 |
tinwhiskers | hrm | 08:30 |
tinwhiskers | yeah | 08:30 |
tinwhiskers | darsie: ok, the doubling time will use log scale now if you turn that option on | 08:35 |
darsie | yay, thx :) | 08:35 |
tinwhiskers | you're easy :-) | 08:36 |
darsie | sometimes :) | 08:36 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +331 cases (now 473841), +2 deaths (now 21352), +4 recoveries (now 114718) πΈ Austria: +300 cases (now 5888), +3 deaths (now 34) πΉ Alaska, US: +17 cases (now 59) πΉ Armenia: +25 cases (now 290), +2 recoveries (now 18) πΉ Australia: +71 cases (now 2799), +52 recoveries (now 170) πΉ Brazil: +4 recoveries (now 6) πΉ Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 243) [... want %more?] | 08:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:25 UTC: Trump faces crucial test at the G-20 meeting as world leaders meet to battle coronavirus: As the White House scrambles to shore up support for its coronavirus strategy at home amid a spike in new cases, criticism has been mounting overseas about the administration's approach. [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/ByyQC0 | 08:38 |
tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: doubling time for the US is currently 3.1 days | 08:48 |
tinwhiskers | 7.1 days for the entire world (US has the fastest doubling time of any country) | 08:49 |
darsie | Perhaps they started late and will bend over in time. | 08:50 |
darsie | tinwhiskers: doubling time doesn't show "all countries". | 08:56 |
Mumuks[m] | Also, the USA was barely testing before and it is testing a lot now, I bet a lot of the cases are not new, just under counted before and surfacing now | 08:57 |
Urchin | they're obviously catching up with the actual number of cases | 08:58 |
Urchin | Germany is an example of a country that tested aggressively | 08:58 |
IronY | check in twice today | 09:09 |
IronY | both times is matrix.org failing lol | 09:09 |
adventurer | why do you think this is happening IronY | 09:13 |
IronY | I assume a lot of people on matrix.org did not know about irc until recently and the bridge to freenode is buckling | 09:14 |
IronY | I suspect this because a gentleman on here tried to tell me his connection to free node was more secure than my connection to freenode because of this service lol | 09:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 08:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 09:16 |
Mikaela | riot.im uses matrix.org as homeserver unless you have confidence of marking yourself as advanced user or custom or something like that and only then it lets you know that other homeservers exist if you know of them, so everyone is registering on matrix.org which keeps suffering and the server software has a lot of performance issues | 09:18 |
IronY | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat | 09:19 |
IronY | https://wiki.znc.in/ZNC | 09:19 |
IronY | 0https://www.bestsevenreviews.com/irc-clients/ | 09:20 |
Mikaela | I use https://thelounge.chat/ | 09:21 |
IronY | Just download mirc man, (I cannot believe I am telling someone to download mirc in 2020) | 09:21 |
IronY | if you are a linux cli/curses person, I recommend WeeChat | 09:22 |
IronY | if you are linux x11/wayland user, hexchat last I checked? | 09:22 |
IronY | For bonus points, to all of those who are looking for a technical challenge: https://ipv6.he.net/ | 09:23 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +357 cases (now 474236), +2 deaths (now 21354), +9 recoveries (now 114749) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πΉ Czechia: +121 cases (now 1775) πΉ Greece: +1 deaths (now 23) πΉ India: +3 cases (now 681) πΉ Russia: +182 cases (now 840), +9 recoveries (now 38) πΉ Somalia: +1 cases (now 2) πΉ Ukraine: +11 cases (now 156) | 09:24 |
adventurer | i used to use mirc but after some time it asks you to subscribe | 09:24 |
adventurer | i use hexchat now | 09:24 |
IronY | HE provides a online practice course in which you learn IPv6 and various services configured for it, they give you the ability to have IPV6 to IPV4 tunnels, and if you complete the course you can use IRC over said networks, as an advantage, you get AAAA access to your DNS zone, this is how many of us (who do not use cloaks) have such cool hostz yoh :D (plus the course is actually really well done, they | 09:25 |
IronY | used to sent you a tshirt when you completed it for free but I cannot be 100% that is still a thing in these new times) | 09:25 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:13 UTC: Italy's death toll rises above 7,000 β but the number of new cases declines for the 4th day in a row: Glimmers of hope are being seen in Europe as the number of new coronavirus cases continues to decline in Italy, the country that has seen the most acute outbreak of the infection. [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/S5jGZM | 09:29 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US Senate passes record $2tn stimulus bill as Tokyo warns against 'explosion' of cases β from WHO at 08:19: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 09:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 08:38: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 09:42 |
tinwhiskers | darsie: you need to check the "World" node | 09:45 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +374 cases (now 474610), +29 deaths (now 21383), +30 recoveries (now 114779) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πΉ Czechia: +121 cases (now 1775) πΉ DRC: +3 cases (now 51), +1 deaths (now 3) πΉ Denmark: +127 cases (now 1851) πΉ Greece: +1 deaths (now 23) πΉ India: +3 cases (now 681) [... want %more?] | 09:54 |
isvarahparamahkr | Hare Krsna | 09:55 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti mentre eravate via β from WHO at 08:58: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/0yPUlc | 10:01 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:03 UTC: Italy's death toll rises above 7,000 β but the number of new cases declines for the 4th day in a row: Glimmers of hope are being seen in Europe as the number of new coronavirus cases continues to decline in Italy, the country that has seen the most acute outbreak of the infection. [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/S5jGZM | 10:08 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:12 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US Senate passes record $2tn stimulus bill as Tokyo warns against 'explosion' of cases β from WHO at 09:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 10:20 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +1831 cases (now 476441), +18 deaths (now 21401), +8 recoveries (now 114787) πΈ Malaysia: +235 cases (now 2031), +2 deaths (now 23) πΈ Germany: +1286 cases (now 38609), +7 deaths (now 213) πΉ Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πΉ Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) [... want %more?] | 10:24 |
pwr22 | I have to go into the office to reconfigure networking on my desktop π€¦ββοΈ | 10:35 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +911 cases (now 477352), +14 deaths (now 21415), +1 recoveries (now 114788) πΈ Germany: +703 cases (now 39312), +9 deaths (now 222) πΉ Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πΉ Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πΉ Cyprus: +1 recoveries (now 4) πΉ Czechia: +121 cases (now 1775) [... want %more?] | 10:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: hospital car parking charges waived for NHS staff in England β from WHO at 09:25: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/KNVWUb | 10:40 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +2409 cases (now 479761), +157 deaths (now 21572), +38 recoveries (now 114826) πΈ Iran: +2389 cases (now 29406), +157 deaths (now 2234) πΉ Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πΉ Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) πΉ Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) [... want %more?] | 10:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 09:46: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 10:53 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conte, responsabilitΓ di tutti - Ultima Ora - ANSA β from WHO at 09:55: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/ONwFyV | 10:59 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:01 UTC: India announces $22.5 billion stimulus package to help those affected by the lockdown: Most of the country's 1.3 billion people have been told to stay indoors for 21 days starting Wednesday as part of the government's efforts to slow down the coronavirus outbreak. [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/J2QxGm | 11:05 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +54 cases (now 479815), +839 recoveries (now 115665) πΈ Iran: +832 recoveries (now 10457) πΉ Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πΉ Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) πΉ Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πΉ Cyprus: +1 recoveries (now 4) [... want %more?] | 11:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β from WHO at 10:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 11:12 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +1498 cases (now 481313), +52 deaths (now 21624), +131 recoveries (now 115796) πΈ Belgium: +1298 cases (now 6235), +42 deaths (now 220), +128 recoveries (now 675) πΉ Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πΉ Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) [... want %more?] | 11:24 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: London hospitals seeing 'continuous tsunami' of patients, says NHS leader β from WHO at 10:25: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/KNVWUb | 11:38 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza β from WHO at 10:42: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/O25Sv9 | 11:44 |
python476 | o/ | 11:49 |
mefistofeles | python476: hey | 11:50 |
python476 | hey mefistofeles | 11:52 |
python476 | how are you | 11:52 |
mefistofeles | folding@home running at full capacity in the workstation xD | 11:52 |
mefistofeles | python476: fine, trying to work | 11:52 |
mefistofeles | what about you? | 11:52 |
python476 | i'm ok | 11:52 |
euod[m] | mefistofeles: I think they're well over capacity. I haven't had any work assignments on any machine in the last hour or two. | 11:53 |
python476 | euod[m]: you too are f@h ? | 11:53 |
python476 | what are your machine specs ? | 11:53 |
euod[m] | sure, I'm flush with hardware, I don't see why not. | 11:53 |
python476 | i have two old core i5 ~_~.. maybe I can boot them | 11:53 |
euod[m] | lots of Ryzen cores, a 1080 and a 2080. no work assignments on GPU or CPU at the moment. | 11:53 |
python476 | oh ok | 11:54 |
python476 | I thought maybe I could print something so that kids in the building can share their gpu | 11:54 |
python476 | but.. | 11:54 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +6862 cases (now 488175), +444 deaths (now 22068), +1650 recoveries (now 117446) πΈ Spain: +6673 cases (now 56188), +442 deaths (now 4089), +1648 recoveries (now 7015) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) [... want %more?] | 11:54 |
euod[m] | their work servers are well, well over capacity at this point. f@h is currently faster than pretty much all the supercomputers in the world. | 11:55 |
mefistofeles | euod[m]: funny, I fired mine up, and in less than 10mins have two WUs, one for CPU and one for GPU | 11:55 |
python476 | the world is both comatose and overcapacity | 11:55 |
python476 | weird | 11:55 |
euod[m] | mefistofeles: depends what target server you end up on. | 11:56 |
mefistofeles | python476: better if you hack their computers | 11:56 |
mefistofeles | :P | 11:56 |
mefistofeles | euod[m]: I guess | 11:56 |
euod[m] | 01:42:56:ERROR:WU00:FS01:Exception: Failed to connect to 128.252.203.2:80: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond. | 11:57 |
mefistofeles | now, running FAH, I'm now very curious about using OpenMM for my own research | 11:57 |
python476 | mefistofeles: not as good as stealing though | 11:57 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ at 10:51 UTC: Covid-19: medical schools given powers to graduate final year students early to help NHS: Medical schools have been granted the power to graduate their students early to allow them to work for the NHS during the covid-19 pandemic, the BMA has said.1 This follows the surprise statement... [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/ueM17J | 11:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll tops China's as new cases rise by over 8,000 in a day β from WHO at 10:57: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 12:03 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna β from WHO at 11:15: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/byIUKr | 12:21 |
mefistofeles | %cases Germany | 12:23 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +246 cases (now 488421), +5 deaths (now 22073), +117 recoveries (now 117563) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) πΉ Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) πΉ Bermuda: +2 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?] | 12:23 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 39502 cases, 222 deaths (0.6% of cases), 3547 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 5.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 12:23 |
mefistofeles | %cases France | 12:23 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, France, there are 25233 cases, 1331 deaths (5.3% of cases), 3900 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 12:23 |
covid-20 | %cases Singapore | 12:24 |
Brainstorm | covid-20: In all areas, Singapore, there are 631 cases, 2 deaths (0.3% of cases), 160 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 1.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 12:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll tops China's as new cases rise by over 8,000 in a day β from WHO at 11:22: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 12:25 |
Humpelstilzchen | Why is France so much worse then Germany? | 12:27 |
mefistofeles | Humpelstilzchen: health system collapsing and maybe susceptible age groups being hit worse | 12:29 |
covid-20 | Humpelstilzchen: It's not France doing bad, Germany is doing better than others. | 12:29 |
mefistofeles | you can also see how Germany death rate is spiking up, been like that for days now, because now the worse age group is being affected | 12:29 |
mefistofeles | so I'd think it will continue to go up | 12:29 |
mefistofeles | but yes, ICUs beds per capita in Germany is larger than in France | 12:30 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna β from WHO at 11:27: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/ID1189 | 12:30 |
Sandro | %data germany | 12:33 |
Brainstorm | Sandro: In all areas, Germany, there are 39502 cases, 222 deaths (0.6% of cases), 3547 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 5.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 12:34 |
yuriwho | all it takes is a few seniors communities to get affected to spike the death rates as they take up all the ICU beds | 12:35 |
mefistofeles | it also depends on testing, Germany has been testing more than France also | 12:36 |
yuriwho | and hold them for a long time | 12:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:32 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain's new cases rise by over 8,000 in a day: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Spain has risen by 8,578 in the last 24 hours, the country's health ministry announced Thursday. β from WHO at 11:32: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/yjabOv | 12:39 |
mefistofeles | euod[m]: https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/89925 fwiw | 12:40 |
Humpelstilzchen | thanks | 12:40 |
mefistofeles | not sure if that's accurate, though | 12:40 |
euod[m] | it's very latent. | 12:41 |
euod[m] | like 1-2 days behind. | 12:41 |
mefistofeles | euod[m]: yep | 12:42 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Brasile β from WHO at 11:41: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/s78lDp | 12:43 |
yuriwho | https://www.biocentury.com/article/304732 | 12:45 |
yuriwho | %t | 12:45 |
Brainstorm | yuriwho: From www.biocentury.com: BioCentury - Reversing course, Gilead asks FDA to rescind remdesivir's Orphan designation | 12:45 |
astraliam[m] | %data italy | 12:47 |
Brainstorm | astraliam[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 26, 11:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 12:47 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:43 UTC: Trump faces crucial test at the G-20 meeting as world leaders meet to battle coronavirus: As the White House scrambles to shore up support for its coronavirus strategy at home amid a spike in new cases, criticism has been mounting overseas about the administration's approach. [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/ByyQC0 | 12:47 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases post steep rise, Spain's death toll tops China's β from WHO at 11:48: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 12:54 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +478 cases (now 488899), +1 deaths (now 22074), +19 recoveries (now 117582) πΈ Switzerland: +310 cases (now 11435), +1 deaths (now 165) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) [... want %more?] | 12:54 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:02 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: WHO sees 'encouraging signs' in Europe despite Spain death toll passing 4,000 β from WHO at 12:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 13:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Investors brace for jobless claims, US cases post steep rise β from WHO at 12:13: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 13:20 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +604 cases (now 489503), +23 deaths (now 22097), +21 recoveries (now 117603) πΈ Portugal: +549 cases (now 3544), +17 deaths (now 60), +21 recoveries (now 43) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) [... want %more?] | 13:24 |
jcay | Elon Musk in his gigafactory produces ventilators now | 13:27 |
azy | our saviour | 13:29 |
yuriwho | he got the first 1k ventilators he gave to Cali from China. He has good relationships there. I would not be surprised if he got parts and plans from China. | 13:30 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: I Tweet recenti di Politici β from WHO at 12:25: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/hi1Kie | 13:32 |
jcay | I am sure 1.2k ventolators is just peanuts, he shouldn't stop building them | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β from WHO at 12:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 13:39 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +342 cases (now 489845), +18 deaths (now 22115), +4 recoveries (now 117607) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) πΉ Azerbaijan: +29 cases (now 122), +1 deaths (now 3), +5 recoveries (now 15) [... want %more?] | 13:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA β from WHO at 12:42: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/EcUmdx | 13:45 |
Atque | Prince Charles have COVID-19. | 13:47 |
Atque | $data au | 13:47 |
Atque | %data au | 13:47 |
Brainstorm | Atque: In all areas, Australia, there are 2799 cases, 13 deaths (0.5% of cases), 170 recoveries as of March 26, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 7.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 13:47 |
WoofWolfCrin | %data ph | 13:49 |
Brainstorm | WoofWolfCrin: In all areas, Philippines, there are 707 cases, 45 deaths (6.4% of cases), 28 recoveries as of March 26, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines for time series data. | 13:49 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β from WHO at 12:48: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 13:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Johnson sets target for 750,000 NHS volunteers as London hospitals see 'tsunami' of patients β from WHO at 12:50: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/KNVWUb | 13:58 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β from WHO at 12:58: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 14:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Gabrielli: 'Arriva una nuova autocertificazione' - Cronaca - ANSA β from WHO at 13:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/AwtEOn | 14:11 |
LjL | Lombardy's governor said today we have "a bit too many" new cases, around 2500 (i don't remember how many it was yesterday in Lombardy) | 14:12 |
mefistofeles | %cases Lombardy | 14:13 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Sorry, Lombardy not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 14:13 |
mefistofeles | %cases Lombardia | 14:13 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 32346 cases, 4474 deaths (13.8% of cases), 7281 recoveries as of March 25, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 14:13 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Gabrielli "Cambieremo il modulo per l'autocertificazione" - la Repubblica β from WHO at 13:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/2HWC7g | 14:18 |
python476 | plague.com updated site is cute, but it's harder to get data at a glance now | 14:18 |
python476 | https://i.imgur.com/YNKxjmH.png | 14:21 |
LjL | python476, they've stopped being JHU? | 14:23 |
LjL | but they have a github | 14:23 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, https://github.com/jakobzhao/virus should have code to get the data from "WHO, NBC News, CDC, Baidu and etc." | 14:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β from WHO at 13:20: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 14:24 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +1581 cases (now 491426), +87 deaths (now 22202), +437 recoveries (now 118044) πΈ US: +208 cases (now 68802), +1 deaths (now 1037) πΈ Netherlands: +1019 cases (now 7431), +78 deaths (now 434) πΈ Germany: +217 cases (now 39572), +2 deaths (now 224), +412 recoveries (now 3959) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) [... want %more?] | 14:24 |
pwr22 | !compare us;uk;it;spain;de | 14:25 |
LjL | Borrelli (head of civil protection, who had a fever) is negative | 14:25 |
pwr22 | How does that look on the IRC side, a long message link? | 14:26 |
Biep[m] | <Birosso ""Heute Tag der Entscheidung! Bek"> Berlin braucht ein Mauer! | 14:26 |
euod[m] | I'd be really curious to know what causes people to be carriers of it rather than affected. | 14:27 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, also | 14:27 |
LjL | The dataset (in SQLite format) can be downloaded from http://hgis.uw.edu/virus/assets/virus.db. | 14:27 |
LjL | You can view the data (in CSV format) at http://hgis.uw.edu/virus/assets/virus.csv. | 14:27 |
LjL | pwr22, yes, long message link | 14:27 |
LjL | euod[m], i thought we had no hard knowledge of people being "carriers" | 14:27 |
LjL | the vast majority of asymptomatic people who were followed up developed symptoms later, in China at least | 14:28 |
euod[m] | the difference in severity between people literally dying, and others being completely unaffected is ludicrous. is it a genetic factor? something situational? dumb luck? | 14:28 |
euod[m] | LjL: er let me find a reference. I've seen it be commented in a few articles now. | 14:28 |
LjL | newspaper articles make many statements that are unfounded | 14:28 |
LjL | like "10x real number of infected". i mean sure, it's possible, but we absolutely don't know that | 14:29 |
euod[m] | the CDC says on the topic | 14:29 |
euod[m] | " Asymptomatic infection with SARS-CoV-2 has been reported, but it is not yet known what role asymptomatic infection plays in transmission. " | 14:29 |
euod[m] | but nothing concrete. | 14:29 |
LjL | well yeah, reported. but also, aside from the fact it may be a small percentage, there may still be subtle damage we haven't been able to analyze yet | 14:29 |
LjL | "carrier" would imply being unaffected | 14:30 |
LjL | i wanted to see if Lombardy's new data were already updated, but... https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ :\ | 14:30 |
LjL | this is/was by far the most detailed site for Italy | 14:30 |
euod[m] | right, | 14:30 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:20 UTC: Coronavirus US live: House to vote on historic $2.2tn stimulus package: Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment US stimulus: are you eligible and how much will you get? What happens if Trump loosens restrictions too soon? See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/GiVdxL | 14:31 |
LjL | by the way, the European Union is holding a press conference later, at around 16 CET i think | 14:31 |
LjL | it is rumored that it could be pretty much the collapse of the EU | 14:31 |
euod[m] | the conference or coronavirus? | 14:31 |
LjL | since "mediterranean countries" (us and Spain, presumably) want to unlock the money allocated for crises | 14:31 |
LjL | and a few other countries don't | 14:32 |
Mumuks[m] | <LjL "it is rumored that it could be p"> Lol, I wish | 14:32 |
LjL | euod[m], well, one due to the other | 14:32 |
Mumuks[m] | We are not getting rid of the corrupt burocrats that easy | 14:32 |
LjL | Mumuks[m], well if the EU tells us "no" to this, honestly, i'll be the first to the polls next time we're asked whether we want to leave | 14:32 |
LjL | and according to polls, so far, most italians would do the same | 14:32 |
LjL | before the pandemic, "only" something like 40% thought the EU was a net negative for Italy | 14:33 |
LjL | now it's jumped to 60% or so | 14:33 |
Mumuks[m] | LjL are Portuguese considered Mediterranean or are they in limbo? | 14:33 |
LjL | i wouldn't know, but i assume the borders between Spain and Portugal are porous enough that they'll import many Spanish cases and be in trouble | 14:34 |
LjL | besides for me, one major advantage of the EU was the ability to go to other countries unimpeded | 14:34 |
LjL | but now, who knows for how many years that won't really be possible | 14:34 |
Mumuks[m] | LjL I am not Italian, but you guys have my support and would be voting the same way if my country gets to vote | 14:34 |
LjL | at least until everyone is vaccinated | 14:34 |
LjL | Mumuks[m], well you sound like you'd have voted the same way before too :P | 14:34 |
LjL | i wouldn't have | 14:34 |
python476 | what about plasma sharing ? | 14:37 |
isvarahparamahkr | Hare Krsna | 14:38 |
Mumuks[m] | <LjL "Mumuks, well you sound like you'"> I would have, yes | 14:38 |
LjL | python476, are we doing that? | 14:38 |
LjL | isvarahparamahkr, uhm... hello? | 14:38 |
Mumuks[m] | <python476 "what about plasma sharing ?"> The problem with plasma sharing is that it is only temporary, the body just receives the antibodies but does not learn to produce them, so when the antibodies of the plasma are eliminated, the person is vulnerable again | 14:39 |
isvarahparamahkr | Who's in a lockdown zone? | 14:39 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +277 cases (now 491703), +2 deaths (now 22204), +16 recoveries (now 118060) πΉ Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πΉ Andorra: +36 cases (now 224), +2 deaths (now 3) πΉ Arkansas, US: +28 cases (now 308) πΉ Australia: +7 cases (now 2806), +1 deaths (now 13) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) [... want %more?] | 14:39 |
Mumuks[m] | Basically the plasma works as medicine, but nothing more | 14:40 |
python476 | LjL: I just saw the idea float in some titles | 14:41 |
python476 | most probably people are investigating | 14:41 |
bin_bash | plasma sharing? | 14:41 |
python476 | Mumuks[m]: thanks | 14:41 |
python476 | bin_bash: immunized people giving plasma with antibodies | 14:42 |
python476 | as a temporary helper until vaccine or other nicer methods come along | 14:42 |
Mumuks[m] | isvarahparamahkrsnah: I am in a country as a tourist that has stopped all flights, has closed some land borders and has said the other land borders might follow, and has enacted several other measures restricting movement of its citizens locally | 14:42 |
Mumuks[m] | Does that count as lock down zone? | 14:42 |
isvarahparamahkr | Nope | 14:43 |
isvarahparamahkr | Lockdown as in Wuhan China lockdown | 14:43 |
bin_bash | oh thats called convalescent plasma python476 | 14:43 |
Mumuks[m] | Then no | 14:43 |
bin_bash | ive never heard it called "plasma sharing" | 14:43 |
python476 | ok | 14:43 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β from WHO at 13:39: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 14:43 |
isvarahparamahkr | if you get out of the house, you get arrested | 14:44 |
LjL | python476, oh yeah that gets done already i think, although there haven't really been trials | 14:44 |
python476 | aight | 14:44 |
LjL | python476, i thought you were saying more about blood donation sharing between EU countries, since i was talking about the EU | 14:44 |
LjL | now they just showed some Spanish hospital on TV | 14:44 |
Mumuks[m] | isvarahparamahkrsnah: we have a curfew here | 14:45 |
LjL | they have people (patients?) sleeping right on the ground | 14:45 |
LjL | there's red lines painted on the ground | 14:45 |
LjL | similar to parking lines on roads... | 14:45 |
LjL | inside of wish people are lying down | 14:45 |
LjL | and Germany still has its 28000 ICU beds | 14:45 |
python476 | LjL: would blood donation help in the situation (genuine question) | 14:45 |
Mumuks[m] | Spain is reaching the peak right now | 14:45 |
LjL | python476, not for COVID, but *because* of COVID, nobody is donating blood anymore | 14:45 |
isvarahparamahkr | So many countries under lockdown/curfew | 14:45 |
Mumuks[m] | At least it seems Italy is past the worse | 14:46 |
LjL | python476, Borrelli says every single day that donating blood is safe and to please continue donating | 14:46 |
isvarahparamahkr | Some countries can't stream vids on HD. They throttled connections | 14:46 |
LjL | Mumuks[m], today Lombardy has 2500 new cases, vs like 2000 yesterday | 14:46 |
LjL | that is not good news | 14:46 |
bin_bash | hard to donate blood without blood drives | 14:46 |
LjL | isvarahparamahkr, it's not just some countries, all of the EU has asked Youtube Netflix et all to change all the streams to SD | 14:46 |
LjL | bin_bash, blood drives? | 14:46 |
LjL | ugh | 14:47 |
LjL | actually | 14:47 |
LjL | yesterday we had 1643 new cases in Lombardy | 14:47 |
LjL | so if it's become 2500 today... that's worse than bad news | 14:47 |
python476 | LjL: right, good point, society stopping but not the world.. | 14:48 |
LjL | python476, people don't stop dying from other things than COVID. in fact, they die much more | 14:48 |
dividediff[m] | I've heard a rumor that some cities arent properly disinfecting their buses in canada | 14:48 |
LjL | python476, get a heart attack, 112 won't respond in time. need oxygen to survive, pharmacies are all out of oxygen bottles. | 14:48 |
python476 | indeed | 14:48 |
python476 | I forgot it too regularly since covid popped | 14:49 |
python476 | cancer patients have issues, lupus medicine out of stock and nobody or no money to give it | 14:49 |
python476 | gonna read covid19_economics | 14:49 |
LjL | python476, what's that, a subreddit? | 14:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:44 UTC: (news): Trump's claim that malaria drug can treat coronavirus gives hope, but little evidence it will work β from WHO at 13:44: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/dfX8NT | 14:50 |
python476 | yes | 14:51 |
python476 | https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid19_economics/ not the most filled but still | 14:51 |
python476 | https://old.reddit.com/r/supplychain/ also talks about covid | 14:51 |
oriba | tinwhiskers: would be nice to have (switch to get) a fullscrren graph... | 14:52 |
LjL | if Lombardy is going from +1600 to +2500... this is... bad, very bad, especially for showing lockdowns not working | 14:52 |
LjL | and i don't know what provinces are most hit | 14:52 |
LjL | make it not be Milan ;( | 14:53 |
LjL | selfish, but eh. | 14:53 |
bin_bash | are people actually following the lockdowns | 14:53 |
sneep | Do they do any kind of tracing at all? | 14:54 |
sneep | Where do the new cases come from? | 14:55 |
sneep | Supermarket? | 14:55 |
LjL | sneep, i think supermarkets and public transport must be closed | 14:56 |
LjL | they should find a way to do deliveries, i think it's vital | 14:56 |
LjL | bin_bash, they are now | 14:56 |
LjL | but the last weeks were not so great | 14:56 |
LjL | https://youtu.be/UqbOlwxRnAo?t=284 β Lombardy's press conference from earlier today, not live, I will translate though | 14:56 |
python476 | LjL yesterday some swiss hospital hosted a conf, some MDs showed two italian city curves | 14:57 |
LjL | (Fontana). Good morning. Today the numbers aren't great, unfortunately. | 14:57 |
bin_bash | well then the numbers won't be really accurate for another month or so | 14:57 |
bin_bash | IF people actually follow it moving forward | 14:57 |
LjL | The new infected rose a bit too much compared to the linear line of the previous days. | 14:57 |
python476 | one was linear and limited, the other still exp, she said it was just a matter of lockdown timing | 14:57 |
LjL | We hoped no such increase would happen. We'll have to understand if this is an exceptional thing due to a particular episode, or the trend is going up again, which would be very worrying. | 14:57 |
LjL | I also want to discuss something that, aside from quibbles and controversies I don't care about, must reassure the citizens. | 14:58 |
LjL | Because someone is bringing up controversies with no basis, and until that's politics, it's okay with me, so if someone says things to discredit me, that would be okay with me... but the problem is these things create panic and anxiety in the citizens, and this is not acceptable, or our citizens who are already worried and limited in their lifestyle and worries for the future, they are going to live this further anguish. | 14:59 |
LjL | I think these behaviors are unacceptable, but they must be pointed out. | 14:59 |
bin_bash | also are they still telling people 1 meter is enough space LjL | 14:59 |
LjL | I am referring again to the issue of testing, on which again, there are shameful rumors: the region of Lombardy, and Minister of Health Speranza reiterated it today, has rigorously followed the the protocols indicated by the ISS and by the scientific committee. | 15:00 |
dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: ty! | 15:00 |
LjL | They sent on February 27 some indications on how to act, and these indications, which are available to me, concludes saying: "when there are no symptoms, the test does not appear to have a scientific rationale, as it does not provide information useful for clinical purposes, and could be misleading. Given the rapid evolution of new knowledge, we may revise this document." | 15:01 |
LjL | So the meaning of this is clear: tests must be reserved to people with symptoms, and every other test is considered misleading. | 15:01 |
python476 | LjL => https://youtu.be/TMFrbsuL3A4?t=304 | 15:01 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 13:56 UTC: Coronavirus: Can I get tested to see if I have Covid-19?: The government aims to reach 25,000 tests a day, but only patients are being routinely screened. β from WHO at 13:56: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/bkL2pW | 15:01 |
LjL | So if Lombardy, and let me also say something else, we are the region that did the most tests in the whole countries, but what's even more relevant is that we have rigorously respected what the highest health institutions in our country indicated. | 15:02 |
python476 | (cities were bergamo vs lodi, lodi being linear at the time of the graph) | 15:02 |
CovBot | I've got a new command: !compare. It works like this: !compare uk;us;it;spain;china. If it doesn't look right on mobile try rotating to landscape mode. See !help for more info. Many thanks to Rob Hallam for adding this! | 15:02 |
LjL | We also sent on Monday, exactly because these controversies were starting, and also because we did want to know if the scientific knowledge had changed, we sent the scientific committee a question asking whether the guidelines that had been sent should be considered confirmed, or somehow deprecated. | 15:03 |
LjL | As of today, we have had no answer to that, so in the absence of an answer, we must assume the rules remain the same. We'll change things if new rules are mandated. | 15:03 |
oriba | dividediff[m]: in Berlin they don't do desinfection at all in busses and trains... | 15:03 |
LjL | Today, Minister Speranza reiterated that testing protocols are decided by scientific organisms, and the Regions must respect these indications. | 15:04 |
LjL | There's also a statement by Dr Guerra, who was a WHO member, he says that on the one hand, extending testing to the whole of population is inappropriate and not rational, and on the other hand, he states that tests must be done also on certain cases without symptoms. Now if this is only his own opinion, fine, but if it's WHO indications, then we want to know from the ISS what are the actual directions that we must follow, since until now we have followed | 15:05 |
LjL | them. | 15:05 |
LjL | I wish there are no more misunderstandings on this situation, that are very misleading for our citizens. Let the ISS alone speak, and say exactly what to do and what not to do. These are not choices I can make myself, not the mayors, not the minister secretaries. | 15:06 |
LjL | Thanks. | 15:06 |
LjL | Question: these data that are not good today... what is the order of magnitude? | 15:06 |
LjL | Answer: unfortunately, around 2500... | 15:06 |
LjL | Question: so do you think you missed some cases in the previous days, or is there an actual peak? | 15:06 |
LjL | Answer: I am unable to evaluate this... again the scientific committee must evaluated this. Personally, I am worried. | 15:07 |
LjL | Question: these controversies were made by various mayors of the Metropolitan City. Would you be ready to change your strategy if the ISS asked you to? | 15:07 |
dividediff[m] | oriba: Is that because berlin has shutdown trians/buses? | 15:07 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin sees relief checks in weeks, jobless claims surge to record β from WHO at 14:05: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 15:08 |
LjL | Answer: Of course! We always followed that... even though this WHO member says that a mass screening is inappropriate, but really, I'm perfectly ready to do what the ISS tells me, on two conditions: they must provide me with the equipment to do the tests the request, and secondly, Lombardy's labs must be able to process no more than 5000 tests a day... since we are "a bit" more than 5000 people in Lombardy... you do the maths, testing 10 million people, | 15:08 |
LjL | 5000 a day: that's three years? | 15:08 |
python476 | "Germany is performing an estimated 500.000 tests per week" | 15:08 |
LjL | Queston: Healthcare workers, will they be tested? | 15:09 |
python476 | even at 500k/day still half a year to cover all | 15:09 |
oriba | dividediff[m]: it has not shutdown trains and busses, it but has limited the traffic (wtf). They say: well, we clean more often, we cant desinfect so much trains and busses, and also: if the next one infected person touches the handle, then the desinfection effect is anyway gone | 15:09 |
LjL | Answer: Oh about them, we already increased on Monday the amount of tests to do on them. Now again, we sent the scientific committee a request, because in theory we must just respect their indications, but since there are these disagreement, we want to know whether we have to change the rules. | 15:09 |
LjL | Question: Do I get it right, +2500 today? Is there a particularly hit area? | 15:10 |
dividediff[m] | python476: Source on 500k/wk? | 15:10 |
LjL | Answer: at this time, the data is being processed... I wanted to tell you the final data point because it was important news, but analyses are not yet completed. There will be a press conference later. | 15:10 |
LjL | The only data point I have to date is that I asked "what's the situation today?" and I got "unfortunately, +2500 today". That's all I know for now. | 15:11 |
LjL | Thanks | 15:11 |
LjL | --- end | 15:11 |
LjL | python476, we are doung about 20k-25k per day | 15:11 |
dividediff[m] | oriba: Not the best, but i guess | 15:11 |
LjL | python476, i mean in total in italy, not lombardy | 15:11 |
navmed | Coronavirus Live Stream - Real-time counter, Maps, and worldwide stats.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTbR2UKTQQc | 15:11 |
isvarahparamahkr | !cases Singapore | 15:12 |
CovBot | In Singapore there have been a total of 683 cases as of 2020-03-26 14:04:00 UTC. Of these 509 (74.5%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 172 (25.2%) have definitely recovered and 2 (0.3%) have died. | 15:12 |
LjL | python476, this is an intranet (i.e. nonpublic) site? | 15:13 |
ubLIX | dramatic visualisation and note on testing, Kentucky vs. Tennessee: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EToyuCJWAAMlxcD?format=jpg&name=medium | 15:13 |
dividediff[m] | Thats a comparatiely good fatality rate on singapore. | 15:14 |
navmed | Coronavirus Live Stream - Real-time counter, Maps, and worldwide stats.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTbR2UKTQQc | 15:14 |
dividediff[m] | !cases vietnam | 15:14 |
CovBot | In Vietnam there have been a total of 153 cases as of 2020-03-26 14:04:00 UTC. Of these 136 (88.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 17 (11.1%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died. | 15:14 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:09 UTC: (news): Trump's claim that malaria drug can treat coronavirus gives hope, but little evidence it will work β from WHO at 14:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/dfX8NT | 15:14 |
LjL | python476, where did you get the worst province? from that video? i'm a bit confused | 15:14 |
dividediff[m] | How could vietnam have 0 deaths unless all their cases arrived just yest? | 15:15 |
LjL | python476, ah okay yeah, clarified a moment before that timestamp... but i've seen that graph, it's kind of old | 15:16 |
python476 | dividediff[m]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fp9ory/germany_is_performing_an_estimated_500000_tests/ | 15:16 |
LjL | python476, it's what happened today that i worry about | 15:16 |
python476 | LjL: yeah my source is old, sorry | 15:17 |
LjL | python476, it will be available here https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ when it does become available, but go to "Lβandamento nelle province con piΓΉ contagi", and look at Milan's line... it's looking a bit odd | 15:17 |
python476 | I just thought the views of a MD on lockdown graph would reassure that if numbers in italy are higher, it can be something else | 15:17 |
python476 | even though, in these weeks.. data is so fuzzy | 15:18 |
LjL | python476, looked exponential, then had a camel thing, then linear... today i am afraid it'll spike | 15:18 |
dividediff[m] | python476: woah wow, korea has conducted 300,000 tests total | 15:18 |
LjL | dividediff[m], yes Korea has done like twice the tests that Italy has, despite having many fewer cases | 15:18 |
python476 | LjL a lot of places had the exp / lin / exp pattern | 15:18 |
LjL | there must be something to it | 15:18 |
LjL | also, Fontana in the press conference i typed kept saying they're following Health Minister directions | 15:19 |
LjL | then the Health Minister would say they're following WHO directions | 15:19 |
LjL | but the WHO was like "test test test!" if you recall | 15:19 |
LjL | not "test only people about to die" | 15:19 |
LjL | python476, well it wouldn't be great news for me ;( | 15:19 |
LjL | https://lispa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/637ec3dc28ec4ea591cc5c724f127701 | 15:19 |
LjL | that's Lombardy, but it's of course also missing today's update | 15:20 |
LjL | python476, do you have a github account you can share? | 15:20 |
python476 | share how ? | 15:21 |
python476 | I can fork repos if you want | 15:21 |
python476 | LjL about the exp lin exp.. it might also be a bad blip before another linear period | 15:21 |
LjL | python476, share as in tell me what it is (and presumably the rest of the channel) | 15:22 |
python476 | LjL you lost me | 15:22 |
LjL | python476, i want to give you access to edit the resource page, it's on github | 15:22 |
python476 | https://i.imgur.com/YNKxjmH.png | 15:23 |
python476 | github.com/jnpn | 15:23 |
LjL | python476, US will become #1 again soon | 15:23 |
oxalis | #MAGA? | 15:23 |
python476 | oxalis: trump feud with europe makes me want USA to explode .. but I'm not even mean enough to wish that on their citizen | 15:24 |
oxalis | Heβs one of the least popular presidents ever. | 15:25 |
oxalis | The only reason he won was because a bunch of chauvinists didnβt want a woman to be president. | 15:25 |
python476 | the reasons run deeper IMO | 15:26 |
python476 | it's a complex and struggling period globally, makes people go for extreme and populists | 15:26 |
oxalis | Well thereβs plenty of other reasons, but if you were to just remove the chauvinist votes that would have pushed Hilary over the top | 15:27 |
python476 | yeah plausibly | 15:28 |
LjL | if Sanders had won the primaries, he'd probably have gotten the presidency too. and we know that many people voted for Clinton instead of Sanders because "Sanders can't win", so much for that, neither did Clinton. and now, this time, i'm hearing the same type of people make the same type of reasoning with Biden | 15:28 |
Justin[m] | Trump is the least popular president in American history. He won largely because of a few thousand votes in 2 or 3 states. In one state, as few as 10,000 votes would have dramatically swung the delegate count from Trump to Clinton. | 15:28 |
LjL | vote for *the person you like*, people, not for the person you don't like but you think is gonna win | 15:28 |
LjL | how about that, is it too much of a revolutionary concept? | 15:29 |
dividediff[m] | "Rogers waiving roaming fees, Canadian long distance and other COVID-19 support | 15:29 |
dividediff[m] | " | 15:29 |
bin_bash | that's not really why | 15:29 |
bin_bash | but that's not a topic for this channel | 15:29 |
LjL | if you say so | 15:30 |
bin_bash | LjL: hard to do if you don't like any of them | 15:30 |
LjL | sure | 15:30 |
mefistofeles | uh, netsplit coming? | 15:30 |
bin_bash | mefistofeles: was about to ask the same | 15:30 |
bin_bash | some real lag there | 15:30 |
LjL | but many people claimed they liked Sanders enough, but he simply "couldn't win" | 15:30 |
bin_bash | he's the worst | 15:30 |
mefistofeles | Colonel Sanders? | 15:31 |
bin_bash | also the dnc basically scuddled him | 15:31 |
bin_bash | everyone who hated hilary shouldve voted for gary johnson | 15:31 |
LjL | well it is a problem when the parties decide who gets to run and probably win, instead of the people | 15:31 |
LjL | not very democratic anymore | 15:31 |
bin_bash | well it was never really democratic | 15:31 |
Justin[m] | The people voted for Biden. The DNC supported Biden because he is popular. | 15:32 |
LjL | python476, do you have a Lithp | 15:32 |
bin_bash | but honestly, the masses are retarded so we need a system that does allow mob rule | 15:32 |
bin_bash | that doesn't*** | 15:32 |
LjL | uh okay | 15:32 |
python476 | I have many Lithp | 15:33 |
Justin[m] | The fact that Biden is more popular than Sanders is evident from the fact that more people voted for him. | 15:33 |
Justin[m] | Both Sander and Biden do equally well in a head-to-head comparison with Trump, so each is as likely to win against Trump. | 15:34 |
gildarts | Sanders is far more polarizing. Far more people fear what he would attempted to do compared to Biden. | 15:34 |
bin_bash | yes | 15:35 |
LjL | python476, i've never even tried very hard to understand non-imperative languages | 15:35 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +749 cases (now 493502), +9 deaths (now 22223), +3 recoveries (now 118063) πΈ Switzerland: +259 cases (now 11575), +1 deaths (now 172) πΈ Austria: +397 cases (now 6398), +7 deaths (now 49) πΉ Brazil: +22 cases (now 2589) πΉ North Carolina, US: +69 cases (now 636) πΉ Pakistan: +2 cases (now 1130) πΉ Serbia: +1 deaths (now 7) [... want %more?] | 15:35 |
LjL | well, all i know is i think the US would be in a slightly better position to cope with COVID if they had a different president now | 15:35 |
LjL | and i think Sanders would have done better than Trump | 15:35 |
LjL | so there is that | 15:35 |
LjL | %cases switzerland | 15:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 11575 cases, 172 deaths (1.5% of cases), 131 recoveries as of March 26, 14:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data. | 15:36 |
Justin[m] | gildarts: People who support neither probably say that. Among the rest of Americans, both candidates do equally well against Trump. | 15:36 |
LjL | that's a lot of cases compared to their population methinks | 15:36 |
LjL | %wa population of switzerland | 15:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Switzerland | population): Result: 8.48 million people (world rank: 99th) (2017 estimate) β https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+switzerland | 15:36 |
LjL | well, at least not as bad as Lombardy. plus, most of them are in the part of it that is... Lombardy, i bet | 15:36 |
Justin[m] | Any other candidate in either party during the 2016 elections would have done better than Trump. | 15:36 |
LjL | fair point | 15:37 |
bin_bash | LjL: yeah i'd have to begrudgingly agree that even sanders would probably do better than trump. he's so meek and ineffectual but he'd probably at least defer to actual scientists | 15:37 |
bin_bash | and he wouldnt have removed the pandemic response team | 15:37 |
bin_bash | i think a shit on the curb wouldve done a better job than trump | 15:37 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:36 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Covid-19 has broken the y-axis on the 50 year historical US jobless claims chart. β from WHO at 14:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/nHhe2D | 15:38 |
gildarts | bin_bash: Fauci has said that Trump hasn't overruled him on any medical decisions. So not sure why people think Trump isn't listening to the experts. | 15:40 |
gildarts | Trumps MO is pretty much say whatever pops into his head, which might be most of the reason for that impression. | 15:40 |
Justin[m] | Trump was told by experts in January to prepare for this, and he didn't. | 15:41 |
LjL | the EU press conference will be available here https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/press-briefing-by-david-sassoli-ep-president-on-euco-meeting-coronavirus_20200326-1630-SPECIAL-PRESSER_vd - i'm not entirely sure whether the times are CET or UTC, would be nice if they specified... | 15:42 |
Justin[m] | He was told by experts last year to prepare for a flu-like pandemic in general, and he didn't. | 15:42 |
mefistofeles | Justin[m]: source? | 15:43 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, jobless claims soar amid outbreak β from WHO at 14:40: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 15:44 |
Justin[m] | For the general preparation there is this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html | 15:45 |
Justin[m] | I don't remember where I read about Trump being notified specifically about COVID19 in January, but it was also likely the New York Times. | 15:45 |
mefistofeles | thanks | 15:46 |
mefistofeles | yeah, to be expected from the NYT | 15:46 |
gildarts | Being notified by "The New York Times" doesn't count as being notified by experts. | 15:46 |
mefistofeles | gildarts: I don't think that's what Justin[m] is saying, though | 15:47 |
Justin[m] | .... Did you read the article? He wasn't notified by the New York Times. | 15:47 |
Justin[m] | He was notified by the CDC. The New York times reported on the CDC's findings, and the Trump administration's lack of response. | 15:47 |
mefistofeles | I mean, if someone is to blame for the lack of response is the CDC | 15:47 |
mefistofeles | they really messed up the testing | 15:48 |
Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 15:48 |
Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 2433 cases, 59 deaths (2.4% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 26, 14:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 15:48 |
bin_bash | gildarts: i'm familiar with trump more than i'd like and yes, he lacks impulse control and says whatever pops into his head. I never said he "wasn't listening" but he isnt deferring, and he dismanted the pandemic response team despite being warned about the potential for something just like this | 15:48 |
euod[m] | remember, there's no new tests if you don't test. | 15:48 |
AimHere | ITYM no new cases | 15:48 |
gildarts | Justin[m]: Hadn't read the article. Just going on what you had said. | 15:48 |
euod[m] | mefistofeles: he literally said he doesn't want the cruise ship landing because it'll push the numbers up. | 15:48 |
euod[m] | mefistofeles: it's all a game. | 15:48 |
LjL | gildarts, well what is said was not that he was notified by the NYT | 15:49 |
LjL | so maybe you should at least read *one* of either the article or what people are saying ;P | 15:49 |
gildarts | bin_bash: From what I've read, the pandemic response team wasn't dismantled, there were several related similar groups that were combined. | 15:49 |
Justin[m] | The CDC is part of the executive branch, led by Trump. It's actions and resources are dictated by the President. | 15:50 |
mefistofeles | Justin[m]: not that | 15:50 |
mefistofeles | they messed up the biology | 15:50 |
mefistofeles | in the tests | 15:50 |
mefistofeles | and then the testing was delayed 5 days or so | 15:50 |
Justin[m] | They had very little time to prepare. | 15:50 |
gildarts | Hmm, looks like I misread part of what Justin[m] was saying previously. Sorry about that. | 15:50 |
mefistofeles | which is A LOT in this case | 15:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, outbreak pushes jobless claims to record β from WHO at 14:46: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 15:51 |
mefistofeles | Justin[m]: other labs all around the country were already having succesful testing, they just couldn't use them because of CDC and FDA | 15:51 |
Justin[m] | Yes, 5 days more would have been great. That's why they should have started in January, not March. | 15:51 |
mefistofeles | so yeah, CDC still | 15:51 |
mefistofeles | Justin[m]: check the new yorker article on it in the resources in the topic url | 15:51 |
Justin[m] | Both are part of the executive branch, under the direction of the president. | 15:51 |
mefistofeles | still, incompetence not politics | 15:51 |
mefistofeles | so if these incompetents were the same ones warning the president... no wonder | 15:52 |
Justin[m] | Incompetence of the president, who did not direct either agency to prepare for this when he was notified in January. Now both agencies are struggling to undertake a gigantic project with a deadline of two weeks ago. | 15:53 |
mefistofeles | not really | 15:53 |
mefistofeles | but I'll leave the politics discussion for another time and place | 15:53 |
python476 | LjL: my brain is weak with imperative languages, I need straightjacketing of functional or logical langs | 15:54 |
Justin[m] | You would be great to work with. Worker: "Boss, we need this part on hand. The old one will break soon, and when it does production will be fouled up for weeks if we don't have a replacement." Boss: "No". Worker: "The part broke. Production is fouled". Boss: "You are incompetent. This is your fault." | 15:55 |
ecks | this channel will make a fine addition to my covid-19 related channel collection | 15:56 |
mefistofeles | euod[m]: nice | 15:56 |
mefistofeles | err | 15:56 |
mefistofeles | ecks: nice | 15:56 |
python476 | ecks: what's the growth rate of irc covid chan | 15:56 |
python476 | #metacontagion | 15:56 |
LjL | python476, less than linear | 15:57 |
python476 | irc is under hasbeen induced self lockdown | 15:58 |
mefistofeles | fwiw, I think freenode is more active now than ever in the last couple of years | 15:58 |
spybert | much of it is due to the decline of other IRC networks | 15:59 |
mefistofeles | yes, but that's not what I meant | 15:59 |
mefistofeles | that decline been happening for over 5 years or more, I'd think | 15:59 |
mefistofeles | just comparing it to last year even, you can see the difference, probably because of the pandemics | 16:00 |
spybert | sure, lots of technical professionals are forced to stay home now | 16:01 |
mefistofeles | indeed | 16:01 |
d3c0d3d | spybert yes | 16:01 |
LjL | the pandemic*s*? have there been more big ones that brought people to IRC in the past couple of years aside from this one...? | 16:02 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ at 14:51 UTC: Europeβs migrant containment policies threaten the response to covid-19: The world has watched the growing global health crisis caused by covid-19 with alarm, fear, and desperation. One after another, governments, healthcare systems, and individuals are adopting... [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/bM0hJi | 16:03 |
mefistofeles | LjL: the pandemia? | 16:03 |
mefistofeles | not sure what's the word | 16:04 |
tinwhiskers | An outbreak of Ebola is the DRC right now could cause some mayhem. | 16:04 |
tinwhiskers | *in the | 16:04 |
mefistofeles | hahaç | 16:04 |
LjL | mefistofeles, pandemic, singular. you said the network got more active in the last couple of years because of the pandemics so i was wondering what else happened in the past couple of years | 16:04 |
bin_bash | oh boy tinwhiskers | 16:04 |
mefistofeles | LjL: ok, hope it is clearer now :/ haha | 16:05 |
sprinkles | mefistofeles: LjL is asking you to list the recent pandemics that you're thinking of | 16:05 |
sprinkles | by name and year, for example | 16:05 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +194 cases (now 493696), +5 deaths (now 22228), +1669 recoveries (now 119732) πΈ Germany: +164 cases (now 40585), +1710 recoveries (now 5669) πΉ India: +1 cases (now 719), +2 deaths (now 16) πΉ Kazakhstan: +1 deaths (now 1) πΉ Mauritius: +29 cases (now 81) πΉ Pakistan: +1 deaths (now 9) πΉ Slovenia: +1 deaths (now 6) | 16:06 |
mefistofeles | Despacito pandemic Jan 2017 | 16:06 |
mefistofeles | all went down after that | 16:06 |
tinwhiskers | I'm very confused. | 16:08 |
tinwhiskers | But that's normal | 16:08 |
mefistofeles | haha | 16:08 |
mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: I also don't help in such cases, fwiw | 16:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, outbreak pushes jobless claims to record β from WHO at 15:03: Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 16:09 |
tinwhiskers | That's ok. Nobody can help me. | 16:09 |
sprinkles | tinwhiskers: how much covid19 is there on your tongan island | 16:11 |
Birosso | %cases egypt | 16:11 |
Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Egypt, there are 456 cases, 21 deaths (4.6% of cases), 95 recoveries as of March 26, 14:52Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Egypt for time series data. | 16:11 |
oriba | Mobility in germany reduced by 45% (beginning 2020-03-12 until about 2020-03-26). | 16:11 |
tinwhiskers | sprinkles: no cases in Vava'u that we know of, but tests have to be sent away to NZ and we are waiting on a few of those so it's possible | 16:12 |
sprinkles | ah | 16:12 |
mefistofeles | oriba: so we should be already be seeing the consequences of that measure, right? | 16:12 |
sprinkles | here's hoping you avoid an islademic | 16:12 |
Jigsy | %cases | 16:13 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, World, there are 493696 cases, 22228 deaths (4.5% of cases), 119732 recoveries as of March 26, 14:52Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 16:13 |
Jigsy | The number dropped? | 16:13 |
Jigsy | It was >500,000 yesterday... | 16:13 |
pyna | %cases philadelphia | 16:13 |
Brainstorm | pyna: Sorry, philadelphia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 16:13 |
tinwhiskers | Well the church gatherings are seating people 2 m apart so I'm sure nothing will go wrong | 16:14 |
oriba | mefistofeles: not sure... I think mobility was not linerly decreasing. And the cases also lack about 1 week because of testing time... plus maybe 1 feek incubation time...) | 16:14 |
Jigsy | I'm trying to imagine how the Olympics would have worked had they gone ahead. | 16:14 |
Jigsy | Esp. if there's "social distancing." | 16:14 |
tinwhiskers | Jigsy: especially the wrestling | 16:14 |
Jigsy | Means the people at the back don't have a chance of winning any gold medals. | 16:15 |
tinwhiskers | Hah | 16:15 |
Jigsy | "Please stay 2m apart during the race." | 16:15 |
mefistofeles | lol | 16:15 |
sprinkles | the fencers would have been fine | 16:15 |
sprinkles | they've got masks | 16:15 |
mefistofeles | they would just test all the athletes before hand | 16:15 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Zaia, in Veneto frena curva dei contagi - Ultima Ora - ANSA β from WHO at 15:10: Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic β https://is.gd/RjgPkD | 16:15 |
LjL | good for Veneto ;( | 16:15 |
mefistofeles | indeed, good news | 16:16 |
LjL | bin_bash, oh and yeah they're still using 1m as safe distance here, by law at that | 16:16 |
bin_bash | welp | 16:18 |
bin_bash | then the spread wont stop | 16:18 |
mefistofeles | they are going for herd immunity | 16:18 |
mefistofeles | flash news | 16:18 |
mefistofeles | xD | 16:18 |
farn | Why does Brainstorm keep putting the same thing at the end of every piece of news? For the past hours it was "How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine" at the end of every piece of news, now apparently the new one is "Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic" | 16:20 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +229 cases (now 493925) πΉ Bulgaria: +21 cases (now 264) πΉ Croatia: +14 cases (now 495) πΉ Kazakhstan: +2 cases (now 111) πΉ South Africa: +191 cases (now 900) πΉ Trinidad and Tobago: +1 cases (now 61) | 16:21 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, outbreak pushes jobless claims to record β from WHO at 15:18: Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 16:22 |
sprinkles | is IRC a vector for covid 19 | 16:23 |
mefistofeles | sprinkles: no | 16:23 |
sprinkles | ;) | 16:23 |
sprinkles | oh god no | 16:24 |
mefistofeles | xD | 16:24 |
LjL | farn, because its RSS thing is designed to follow one "main" feed, which in this case is the WHO, and a number of other feeds. it always reports the main piece of news from the WHO. maybe it should report something else since the WHO is pretty useless, but i'm not sure what | 16:24 |
oriba | mefistofeles: 2020-03-03 .. 2020-03-24: long distances -95% (no flights), streets about -40%, in cities, locally (< 5km) -5% (ooops!) | 16:25 |
mefistofeles | oriba: source? | 16:26 |
oriba | mefistofeles: do you understand german? it's an interview, so text found | 16:27 |
mefistofeles | oriba: hmm, I'd give it a try, fwiw | 16:27 |
farn | LjL: I don't even mind what the WHO is posting, I just think that repeating anything dozens of times only adds noise. Can you give it an empty feed as the main feed or something? :) | 16:27 |
oriba | mefistofeles: heheh... https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Coronavirus-So-erstellen-Experten-Modellrechnungen,audio659122.html | 16:27 |
mefistofeles | thanks | 16:27 |
oriba | mefistofeles: ah, here the page of this scientist: http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/ | 16:28 |
LjL | farn, i can have no main feed. the idea is that if there is a "big" piece of news, even people who have joined after it was posted can have it posted again (it can also be added automatically to the topic, but that wasn't working so i disabled it) | 16:28 |
farn | LjL: Ah, makes sense. Yeah, in that case those WHO posts are not exactly big news. | 16:29 |
LjL | okay, i'll just remove it | 16:30 |
LjL | actually i put r/worldnews as the main feed now (filtered by keyword, won't post things that have nothing to do with this, ideally), but the feed for it was already there, yet it never shows anything, so i'm slightly perplexed. maybe it'll work, maybe it won't. | 16:32 |
Urchin | /r/coronavirus? | 16:35 |
oriba | mefistofeles LjL: simulation results mobility -> http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/ | 16:35 |
oriba | http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/ | 16:37 |
LjL | Urchin, yeah i have that in the list of feeds too. the thing is, partly the bot's rss module doesn't work great, i did a bad job of writing it... partly, reddit's feeds are complicated to figure out. depending on which feed you use (hot, new, top, or even search within a subreddit, although i'm not sure search.rss works anymore), and which ?limit=n you put, it will post too many things, or too few | 16:37 |
oriba | http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/docs/forecast/results_by_country/ | 16:37 |
oriba | mefistofeles: see links above | 16:37 |
oriba | LjL: see links above | 16:37 |
mefistofeles | oriba: nice!! | 16:38 |
LjL | am looking | 16:38 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +1171 cases (now 495096), +22 deaths (now 22250), +53 recoveries (now 119785) πΈ United Kingdom: +320 cases (now 9849), +12 deaths (now 477) πΈ Germany: +424 cases (now 41009) πΉ Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) πΉ Brazil: +9 cases (now 2598), +2 deaths (now 63) πΉ Bulgaria: +4 recoveries (now 8) πΉ Czechia: +1 deaths (now 7) [... want %more?] | 16:38 |
LjL | they forecast a fall in new cases soon for italy... | 16:39 |
LjL | i'm not sure if that will change with today's report, i'm afraid it might | 16:39 |
oriba | well, we will see... | 16:41 |
LjL | %title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.13.990226v1 | 16:41 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From www.biorxiv.org: Reinfection could not occur in SARS-CoV-2 infected rhesus macaques | bioRxiv | 16:42 |
LjL | contingo, yuriwho, dunnp β | 16:42 |
LjL | probably seen... but i thought re-infection was still an open question | 16:42 |
LjL | just four monkeys though... | 16:44 |
mefistofeles | also that's just a preprint | 16:45 |
mefistofeles | but still nice results if confirmed | 16:45 |
AimHere | There's still the question of it maybe being seasonal and mutating enough for a reinfection next year | 16:46 |
LjL | AimHere, there's a paper showing higher temperatures are correlated with less spread, but not correlated enough for it to actually nearly-disappear during summer | 16:47 |
LjL | but we'll see with actual summer i guess | 16:47 |
euod[m] | awfully, we'll soon have a stock of immune doctors and nurses. | 16:47 |
AimHere | Yeah, but even if it does go away, like Flu, it might come back different enough to fool the immune system | 16:47 |
LjL | the EU press conference still hasn't begun, so i assume the 16:30 time was UTC, not CET | 16:47 |
mefistofeles | AimHere: so far, mutation rate is lower than that of the flu | 16:48 |
LjL | AimHere, possible, but so far it hasn't been shown to mutate a whole lot | 16:48 |
euod[m] | LjL: the immediate counter is, well, it's currently hot in australian and there's still spread. so the claims of it not being a concern once summer comes around is at least false. | 16:48 |
euod[m] | %cases australia | 16:48 |
Brainstorm | euod[m]: In all areas, Australia, there are 2806 cases, 13 deaths (0.5% of cases), 170 recoveries as of March 26, 15:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 7.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 16:48 |
LjL | %wa temperature in new south wales | 16:49 |
Brainstorm | LjL, failed to get any hits! | 16:49 |
euod[m] | 27c/81f in Melbourne, Australia. | 16:50 |
LjL | %wa temperature in sydney | 16:50 |
LjL | euod[m], well that's kinda hot but not the 35Β°C sort of thing we reach in the summer here | 16:50 |
Brainstorm | LjL, failed to get any hits! | 16:50 |
LjL | useless thing | 16:50 |
yuriwho | LjL: that paper is not surprising. The humoral immune response (antibodies) seems to fade from 3months-2 years for SARS, but cellular immune response lasts longer. We do not know enough about the immune response yet to craft long lasting vaccines and that is what my vaccine project is about. Many others are working on this too. | 16:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:45 UTC: Watch: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is holding a press conference on the COVID-19 outbreak, which has infected more than 30,800 people in the state as of Wednesday. β from r/WorldNews at 15:45: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/Ynm336 | 16:50 |
euod[m] | it'll be 35+ in a month or two I'm sure. | 16:51 |
mefistofeles | no covid left by then | 16:51 |
LjL | yuriwho, do you think it is likely that being inoculated a vaccine that only works in the short term may prevent later longer-term vaccines from being used in the same individual? | 16:51 |
euod[m] | no covid left by easter sunday. | 16:51 |
yuriwho | LjL: that is what vaccine developers are worried about | 16:52 |
LjL | well i guess i won't rush to get the first available vaccine then | 16:52 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +667 cases (now 495763), +83 deaths (now 22333) πΈ Germany: +405 cases (now 41414), +7 deaths (now 236) πΉ Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) πΉ Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 189) πΉ Brazil: +9 cases (now 2598), +2 deaths (now 63) πΉ Bulgaria: +4 recoveries (now 8) πΉ Burkina Faso: +6 cases (now 152) πΉ Cuba: +10 cases (now 67) [... want %more?] | 16:53 |
LjL | oh crap | 16:53 |
LjL | the EU press conference IS live | 16:53 |
LjL | i missed a play button -.- | 16:53 |
LjL | press briefing by David Sassoli, EP President - on EUCO meeting (Coronavirus) starting now at https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/press-briefing-by-david-sassoli-ep-president-on-euco-meeting-coronavirus_20200326-1630-SPECIAL-PRESSER_vd - I'll write notes | 16:53 |
mefistofeles | LjL: please, thanks | 16:54 |
LjL | --- | 16:54 |
LjL | ... To protect it, we must place countries in the position of starting from the same point. | 16:54 |
mefistofeles | translate to italian xD | 16:54 |
LjL | Otherwise we won't make it. | 16:54 |
LjL | [I'm listening to the Italian stream] | 16:54 |
mefistofeles | hah ok | 16:54 |
LjL | I wouldn't want at the end of today to find ourselves with government officials that do NOT take their responsibility up. | 16:54 |
LjL | We have a whole planet involved in this, and naturally, we Europeans, and our citizens, living difficult times, NEED to get an indication from European leadership. | 16:55 |
LjL | I think this is the responsibility of heads of state currently. | 16:55 |
LjL | (Others) Thank you Mr president. | 16:55 |
LjL | [I think that may be all] | 16:55 |
LjL | how stupid is it to give times without specifying a timezone anyway? | 16:56 |
LjL | if i see none i tend to assume UTC | 16:56 |
LjL | --- beginning | 16:56 |
LjL | Good afternoon everyone. | 16:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India's streets sit eerily empty during lockdown as global cases near 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 15:52: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 16:57 |
LjL | This is a special press conference, as is the Parliament session today. | 16:57 |
LjL | President Sassuoli spoke at the start of the conference from European heads of state. | 16:57 |
LjL | We'll answer questions that will be presented today. | 16:57 |
LjL | (Sassuoli) Good aftermoon everyone. | 16:57 |
LjL | It's an important day today for EU institution, and today we had a plenary session, and our Parliament had a remote vote, which was successful in terms of participation. | 16:58 |
LjL | We have been able to use tools that enabled our instutition to stay open and functional. We said democracy cannot be stopped by a virus, and democratic process can help get past this emergency. | 16:58 |
LjL | These have been days of thinking for finding tools in the medium and long term. | 16:59 |
LjL | We know this crisis is not only causing a health crisis but also an economy and social crisis, which will concern not individual countries but us all. | 16:59 |
LjL | We have worked with other institutions to find an early answer, and correct certain behaviors that some EU government had responded with. | 16:59 |
LjL | An early response came from EU institutions, which we're very satisfied about, with the "package" from the Commission, and the revision of the stability and growth pact, and an important financial intervention. | 17:00 |
LjL | At the same time we are very worried about the middle and long term, because we need... "inventions", new capabilities. | 17:00 |
LjL | We must respond with extraordinary measures, not just modify existing tools. | 17:00 |
LjL | That is why we have called the heads of states and governments to their responsibility at this time. | 17:00 |
LjL | It's obvious we cannot be content with the tools at our disposal, but must put new energy and abilities in finding answers that can lead our societies during such an importanrt crisis in our economy, finance, our financial and civil model. | 17:01 |
LjL | We asked the heads of state to reinforce a common response. | 17:01 |
LjL | We don't want governments to drop the ball, we want them to be aware that no country alone can bear the weight of this crisis, but we must do it together. | 17:01 |
LjL | So by the parliament and by my self there has been a call to get a real response from today's meeting, it won't be enough to postpone the debate. | 17:02 |
LjL | European institutions must bear the weight of an improtant crisis. | 17:02 |
LjL | We have also been happy with --- | 17:02 |
LjL | no idea why it stopped | 17:02 |
LjL | Anyway i seem to understand the real thing will have to come with a commission meeting... | 17:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:01 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: New York β from r/WorldNews at 16:01: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/OS94Cp | 17:04 |
LjL | --- | 17:04 |
LjL | We've also been happy with choices that were made by countries requesting to become members. | 17:04 |
LjL | About North Macedonia and Albania, things are going in the direction Parliament has always supported. | 17:04 |
LjL | Questions? | 17:04 |
pwr22 | <LjL "We don't want governments to dro"> Except the UK... which doesn't need anyone... but US | 17:05 |
pwr22 | And China | 17:05 |
blkshp | Ex...cuse me? | 17:05 |
pwr22 | and India | 17:05 |
LjL | Question: are you satisfied with the EU Council making a step forward towards Albania and Macedonia? Second question from Kurdish TV: Russia is sending aid to Italy to fight the coronavirus and reconnect their historical link. How do... react? | 17:05 |
pwr22 | And everywhere in europe | 17:05 |
pwr22 | π€¦ββοΈ | 17:05 |
pwr22 | Is there a particular topic of this press conference? Because it seems to not include anything but fluffy political stuff so far | 17:05 |
LjL | Answer: Countries outside the Union are currently responding to the emergency our countries are experiencing. Let us not forget the EU has always been prominent when countries have been in hardships, including recently with China. We are satisfied with the solidarity measures coming towards our countries, and in particular the ones suffering the most. | 17:06 |
LjL | Italy, Spain, but also France and other countries that need support and aid, and I believe in difficult moments, Europe gets back what in the past years it could give to other countries in terms of solidarity and cooperation. | 17:07 |
LjL | These characterize Europe outside of the EU itself. | 17:07 |
pwr22 | > * <@freenode_blkshp:matrix.org> feels the UK is being dragged through mud but can't be bothered to read it | 17:07 |
pwr22 | My comments were my own - just a brexit joke | 17:07 |
blkshp | Well it's rude :P lol | 17:07 |
blkshp | :D | 17:07 |
LjL | Question: Erasmus students cannot go back to their origin countries. How will EUparl cooperate? Will corridors be created? | 17:07 |
LjL | Answer: We asked the Commission to do anything for our citizens and our students in particular, who are around the world and need protection, assistance and the ability to come back. | 17:08 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +5362 cases (now 501125), +30 deaths (now 22363), +1413 recoveries (now 121198) πΈ US: +4934 cases (now 73981), +28 deaths (now 1065), +1409 recoveries (now 1837) πΈ New York, US: +4245 cases (now 37258), +19 deaths (now 385) πΈ Florida, US: +378 cases (now 2355), +5 deaths (now 28) πΉ Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) [... want %more?] | 17:08 |
LjL | Something has been done. So far the Commission has worked with EU citizens at the time when contagion "exploded" outside of the European territory. | 17:08 |
LjL | We will ensure the Commission will keep responding to citizen needs. | 17:08 |
LjL | Question: as the President, do you think the EU is experiencing a solidarity crisis in fighting this pandemic? | 17:08 |
LjL | Answer: solidarity never ends. We saw some measures with pleasures, as they corrected some behaviors on circulation beyond borders, of goods especially, and we must do more now, we need concrete solidarity. Our citizens will appreciate any concrete solidarity that our European partners will provide. | 17:09 |
LjL | A lot of solidarity is needed at this time, I believe, but we are not starting from nothing. We saw countries providing medical equipment, PPEs, and countries hosting serious patients who had serious needs. | 17:10 |
LjL | We wish this continues and becomes stronger. | 17:10 |
LjL | Question: Mario Draghi, the former president of ECB, asks governments to aid the economy immediately, since wasting time will cause a recession that it will be hard to get out of. | 17:10 |
LjL | Answer: I think he's right, we need an instrument to put our countries in the position to run starting from the same point, sharing. We can't ask countries to spend if this causes an economic crisis, it's the EU right now that must ensure differences between states of countries make things worse. | 17:11 |
LjL | He's right that we need to "invent" new ways of solidarity. Extraordinary emergency, extraordinary interventions. | 17:11 |
LjL | Question: What do you think of the proposal about MPs receiving daily wage even if they are not in Bruxelles? | 17:12 |
LjL | Answer: our daily wages are about specific needs: it's a form of contributions towards MPs who come to Bruxelles or Strasbourg, and if they do not come, il will not be given. | 17:12 |
LjL | Question: What do you think of the amendments by the League? Can they hinder the Union's response? | 17:13 |
LjL | Answer: We did everything to allow the most debate and Parliament participation on what the Commission proposed. I cannot judge amendments, but I wish obviously that nothing hinders this response package. | 17:13 |
LjL | That said, the mechanisms in Parliament decisions have been guaranteed as we could under our rules. | 17:14 |
LjL | Question: what do you think about the law plan for an emergency in Hungary without a time limit? | 17:14 |
LjL | Answer: I know there were thoughts on all this, and I expect an evaluation by Parliament before coming to any conclusions. We think at this time, we can get past the emergency and the crisis WITH democracy, actually, we want to make democracy stronger. | 17:15 |
LjL | With our values, we're sure, we'll face this crisis better and provide better answers. | 17:15 |
LjL | We're not convinced by the concept of "stopping" democracy during emergencies. | 17:15 |
LjL | Question: how can member states show more solidarity? I'm thinking of countries that are unwilling to enter a common mechanism, like the Netherlands. | 17:15 |
LjL | Answer: I already answered: it would be good to come out of this crisis stronger. That would be good for all the countries. Making the internal market and the abilities of Europe weaker would make everything worse for everybody, including those countries that think they're stronger than others currently. | 17:16 |
LjL | Even countries that turn their strengths into selfishness must concede that it's best for all of us. | 17:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India's streets sit eerily empty during lockdown as global cases near 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 16:12: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 17:16 |
LjL | A large part of us must be put in the condition of being aided during the crisis they're facing. | 17:17 |
LjL | Question: What is your position on "Corona bond", and the EMS credit line? And last question, should the budget plan from 2018 be replaced with one more consistent with the current situation? | 17:17 |
LjL | Answer: there haven't been any mistakes causing this crisis. This has been created by a pandemic that's touching the whole planet. We cannot refer to past situations. We have a new scene, and all of our countries will be hit, and will have a very strong effect from this situation. | 17:18 |
LjL | At this time, I believe the only answer we can give is a European one, that's why we need European instruments, and we need to enable some mechanisms, like the bonds (I don't want to fall in love with these instruments, but check their efficacy), but we certainly need to share the debt that all our countries are going to have, because there is a need to spend money, and as the ECB said, we invite our countries to spend money, to do anything possible to | 17:19 |
LjL | protect their citizens. | 17:19 |
LjL | It's only natural that this debt is shared within the EU. | 17:19 |
LjL | The proposal on sharing debt via "Corona bonds" or similar things is the right choice in my opinion. Whoever thinks they can go alone does not get a bargain, even if at the current time they are stronger than others. | 17:20 |
LjL | The great strength of each EU country is the EU internal market, which we must protect, by putting our countries in the condition of starting from the same position. | 17:20 |
LjL | ... | 17:20 |
LjL | started from here | 17:20 |
mefistofeles | thanks LjL | 17:21 |
LjL | the highlights are: none | 17:22 |
mefistofeles | not much content, tbh | 17:22 |
mefistofeles | yeah | 17:22 |
jacklsw | almost thinking LjL is talking to himself in this channel :P | 17:22 |
mefistofeles | lol | 17:22 |
mefistofeles | jacklsw: he does, but that's not the case | 17:22 |
mefistofeles | xD | 17:22 |
LjL | maybe i should put it in the topic when i'm transcribing | 17:22 |
LjL | i'm not feeling great :( | 17:23 |
LjL | probably not covid, just meh | 17:23 |
mefistofeles | LjL: hey! why? | 17:23 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +441 cases (now 501566), +15 deaths (now 22378), +16 recoveries (now 121214) πΈ US: +441 cases (now 74422), +8 deaths (now 1073), +13 recoveries (now 1850) πΉ Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) πΉ Algeria: +4 deaths (now 25) πΉ Arizona, US: +107 cases (now 508), +2 deaths (now 8) πΉ Arkansas, US: +2 cases (now 310) [... want %more?] | 17:23 |
jacklsw | whole world's situation is grim | 17:23 |
LjL | i slept too little yesterday, and felt shitty, today i was feeling better until like half an hour ago but now i feel depleted of energy | 17:23 |
mefistofeles | oh | 17:24 |
mefistofeles | LjL: go get some rest | 17:24 |
mefistofeles | get away from the screen for some mins | 17:24 |
LjL | i'm editing the transcription | 17:24 |
LjL | then i'll lay down and listen to some music | 17:24 |
swedebugia | LjL, yeah, rest and shine after, thanks for transcribing :) | 17:24 |
LjL | ugh i can't even figure out at which point the live thing stopped and i rewound | 17:26 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:25 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Hospitalizations are one of the better indicators of outbreak growth since they occur reasonably close to infection time (unlike deaths, which lag by weeks) or confirmed cases (which depend on testing capacity and protocols). β from r/WorldNews at 16:25: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/Ttq0yz | 17:30 |
LjL | https://dpaste.org/5K8U β transcription | 17:33 |
swedebugia | look at the curve from ICU in Sweden the last couple days: https://www.icuregswe.org/data--resultat/covid-19-i-svensk-intensivvard/# (its exponential) | 17:33 |
LjL | swedebugia, kept growing until today they fell? | 17:35 |
ecks | there is a small lag in these stats | 17:35 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Market takes US job losses in stride as global cases near 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 16:32: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 17:37 |
ecks | but the amount of new registered cases was smaller yesterday than on saturday and sunday, for instance | 17:37 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +2991 cases (now 504557), +10 deaths (now 22388), +13 recoveries (now 121227) πΈ US: +644 cases (now 75066), +7 deaths (now 1080), +13 recoveries (now 1863) πΈ Pennsylvania, US: +560 cases (now 1687), +5 deaths (now 16) πΈ Germany: +2127 cases (now 43646), +2 deaths (now 239) πΉ Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) [... want %more?] | 17:38 |
blkshp | %more | 17:39 |
Brainstorm | blkshp, [...] πΉ Algeria: +65 cases (now 367), +4 deaths (now 25) πΉ Arizona, US: +107 cases (now 508), +2 deaths (now 8) πΉ Arkansas, US: +2 cases (now 310) πΉ Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 189) πΉ Brazil: +9 cases (now 2598), +2 deaths (now 63) πΉ Bulgaria: +4 recoveries (now 8) πΉ Burkina Faso: +6 cases (now 152) [...] β https://paste.ee/p/rrHL5 | 17:39 |
blkshp | Weirdly setup! | 17:39 |
blkshp | press %more 100 times to see UK! lol | 17:40 |
LjL | blkshp, uh, no | 17:40 |
blkshp | :D | 17:40 |
LjL | the %more command only works once | 17:40 |
LjL | second time, you get a pastebin | 17:40 |
LjL | click on the pastebin and there is everything | 17:40 |
LjL | well, everything that got updated anyway | 17:40 |
LjL | which does not include the UK | 17:40 |
LjL | the pastebin is easier to read anyhow | 17:41 |
blkshp | No uk on the map :( | 17:41 |
blkshp | yes im on it | 17:41 |
pwr22 | tinwhiskers: how's the data looking today? | 17:41 |
blkshp | But no good without UK for me :P | 17:41 |
LjL | %cases uk | 17:41 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 9849 cases, 477 deaths (4.8% of cases), 135 recoveries as of March 26, 16:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 17:41 |
LjL | if the uk didn't get updated there is no point in having it there | 17:41 |
LjL | you can just see it like this | 17:41 |
blkshp | well why didn't you just say that :D! thannky | 17:41 |
LjL | because it's in the channel topic :P | 17:41 |
blkshp | I have no response to that xD | 17:42 |
tinwhiskers | pwr22: don't know really. It's still only 5:41 am so haven't really looked yet. | 17:42 |
pwr22 | I think I've missed at least one recent JHU data crisis | 17:42 |
pwr22 | Did their arcgis stop being broken? | 17:43 |
tinwhiskers | I've started my own time series and will switch to that in a few days once it's built up a bit | 17:43 |
tinwhiskers | JHU = poos | 17:44 |
euod[m] | arcgis seems fine now. | 17:44 |
euod[m] | it's unfortunate they don't have anything high resolution for canada. | 17:45 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:45 UTC: Cuomo says 'reckless' $2 trillion coronavirus bill fails to help New York's revenue loss: The coronavirus bill provides $5 billion to New York, which doesn't come close to covering state's projected revenue shortfall, which could total $15 billion, Cuomo said. β from r/WorldNews at 16:45: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/pJbkWc | 17:49 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, did you see the source i posted? | 17:50 |
tinwhiskers | No | 17:50 |
LjL | freenode/##covid-19/2020-03-26.log:[14:24:01] <LjL> tinwhiskers, https://github.com/jakobzhao/virus should have code to get the data from "WHO, NBC News, CDC, Baidu and etc." | 17:53 |
LjL | it comes from the new plague.com tracker | 17:53 |
LjL | which is no longer JHU | 17:53 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, yes, I did see that thanks | 17:53 |
metreo | !data Chine | 17:54 |
metreo | !data China | 17:54 |
metreo | %stats China | 17:54 |
cews | %data China | 17:54 |
metreo | thank you :) | 17:54 |
LjL | that's the one | 17:54 |
LjL | but the bot seems MIA | 17:54 |
LjL | may be due to recent earthquake overload | 17:54 |
metreo | booooot | 17:54 |
LjL | Brainstorm! | 17:54 |
metreo | ban the bot! | 17:55 |
LjL | yeah it's gone | 17:55 |
cews | Having a well deserved rest :) | 17:55 |
LjL | it's restarting | 17:55 |
LjL | sigh there is the italian press conference now | 17:55 |
LjL | shortly | 17:55 |
LjL | i will not transcribe it | 17:55 |
mefistofeles | LjL: get some rest | 17:55 |
LjL | the numbers are going to be awful | 17:55 |
mefistofeles | no worries | 17:55 |
mefistofeles | LjL: you think? or you know? | 17:55 |
LjL | mefistofeles, i know about Lombardy's being like +900 compared to yesterday | 17:56 |
LjL | so i assume the national data can only reflect that | 17:56 |
LjL | although Veneto said they are doing better today | 17:56 |
LjL | but Lombardy's still the bulk | 17:56 |
LjL | anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pezwe5iqOPQ will have the PC | 17:56 |
pwr22 | <tinwhiskers "I've started my own time series "> Ah nice. Where are you sourcing the data for it? | 18:00 |
tinwhiskers | I'm just using the same collection method I was using for the bleeding-edge data, except saving snapshots at 00hr GMT | 18:02 |
LjL | Brainstorm,! | 18:02 |
LjL | Brainstorm! | 18:02 |
Brainstorm | LjL! | 18:02 |
LjL | %data china | 18:02 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, China, there are 81285 cases, 3287 deaths (4.0% of cases), 74051 recoveries as of March 26, 16:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 18:02 |
tinwhiskers | So the same mix of sources. I've got a couple of gaps I still need to fill but getting there | 18:02 |
LjL | https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1243221494383226882 police keep making us print a different form each day | 18:03 |
LjL | good we need to prove our reasons to be outside | 18:04 |
LjL | but they could make things less gratuitously hard | 18:04 |
LjL | one new day, one new law, one new form | 18:04 |
LjL | not everyone even has a printer | 18:04 |
mefistofeles | I see the woman with sign language moving but not a single sound from the PC xD | 18:06 |
mefistofeles | wtf | 18:07 |
LjL | <MacGeek> italy today: +999 recovered, +4492 infected, +662 deaths | 18:08 |
LjL | my youtube crashed :< | 18:08 |
LjL | didn't get the press conf | 18:08 |
LjL | didn't realize | 18:08 |
LjL | bleh | 18:08 |
mefistofeles | no audio for me | 18:08 |
LjL | same | 18:08 |
LjL | thought it was my browser | 18:08 |
LjL | restarted, but nope | 18:08 |
LjL | but also the whole thing just crashed the moment it started | 18:08 |
mefistofeles | yes | 18:08 |
mefistofeles | same here | 18:08 |
LjL | i would transcribe if i knew LIS | 18:08 |
LjL | sadly i don't | 18:08 |
mefistofeles | youtube failing, as usual | 18:09 |
LjL | or italy failing | 18:09 |
LjL | okay i have the press conference on Rai News | 18:10 |
metreo | %data China | 18:10 |
Brainstorm | metreo: In all areas, China, there are 81285 cases, 3287 deaths (4.0% of cases), 74051 recoveries as of March 26, 17:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with β of cases undetected), and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 18:10 |
LjL | raiplay.it may have that | 18:10 |
LjL | not sure if also outside of Italy | 18:10 |
LjL | may be geoblocked or not | 18:10 |
oxalis | %texas | 18:10 |
oxalis | sigh | 18:10 |
oxalis | %data texas | 18:10 |
Brainstorm | oxalis: In Texas, US, there are 1309 cases, 16 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:10 |
LjL | the PC is being done by someone else than Borrelli | 18:10 |
LjL | so i assume he's still sick | 18:10 |
tang3nt_man[m] | https://medium.com/@matthiassamwald/promoting-simple-do-it-yourself-masks-an-urgent-intervention-for-covid-19-mitigation-14da4100f429 | 18:10 |
LjL | talking about cruise ships | 18:10 |
LjL | transferring people in other regions from lombardy | 18:11 |
LjL | +2 today | 18:11 |
LjL | to Dresden | 18:11 |
LjL | +5 to elsewhere in Germany | 18:11 |
mefistofeles | woah | 18:11 |
mefistofeles | amazing how Germany can handle all this | 18:11 |
LjL | they have the most ICU beds by far | 18:12 |
mefistofeles | yes | 18:12 |
mefistofeles | but still | 18:12 |
mefistofeles | they are getting patients from France as well | 18:12 |
LjL | they worked with the "FAA" to allow new vectors to transfer patients | 18:12 |
LjL | Germany is also sending a team of doctors to Campania | 18:12 |
LjL | 39 doctors died from covid in total, +6 today | 18:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Market takes US job losses in stride as global cases near 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 17:10: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 18:15 |
LjL | %data italy | 18:18 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 26, 17:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:18 |
LjL | why did it not send an update for this | 18:18 |
LjL | bleh | 18:18 |
xionbox[m] | US is about to hit more cases than China | 18:19 |
LjL | question about why +1000 compared to yesterday | 18:19 |
LjL | (but i'm seeing we have done 37k tests! today, compared to like 26k yesterday) | 18:20 |
LjL | (which was already the most in a day) | 18:20 |
LjL | also, compare to china | 18:20 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +6800 cases (now 511602), +670 deaths (now 23059), +1005 recoveries (now 122232) πΈ Italy: +6153 cases (now 80539), +662 deaths (now 8165), +999 recoveries (now 10361) πΈ Austria: +305 cases (now 6703) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πΉ California, US: +40 cases (now 3243) [... want %more?] | 18:21 |
LjL | says we can't expect sudden reduction, will see the effects of measures in the next days (lol, always the next), they're trying to look at why increment, but they think maybe there are some test results that were waiting from the past few days and were just dumped yesterday | 18:21 |
LjL | oh so THIS is today | 18:22 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:19 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 26 Marzo β from r/WorldNews at 17:19: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/p6nhbB | 18:22 |
LjL | gah | 18:22 |
LjL | and it's actually +6153 because i forgot again that they play with numbers by saying +4000 or wahtever based on subtracting recoveries | 18:22 |
aradesh | daily analysis of coronavirus spread by thunderf00t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4BiJ8h3tDw | 18:23 |
aradesh | he's obviously bored while isolated | 18:23 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, your data actually has today's update (as you can see above) but the *site* graphs just make it the same as yesterday if i enable nonauth | 18:24 |
euod[m] | aren't we all? | 18:24 |
LjL | ugh they are subtracting recoveries AND deaths from the "new cases" they give. that's not just misleading but also in very bad taste IMO | 18:30 |
LjL | the real data are available anyway, why would they give it this way just to make it sound lower in the press conference | 18:30 |
mefistofeles | woah attending a 300+ meeting over zoom | 18:32 |
LjL | data by province are available now at https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ | 18:34 |
LjL | it's definitely Milan causing today's spike :( | 18:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: States hit hardest by jobless claims, Pelosi predicts more direct payments β from r/WorldNews at 17:26: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 18:34 |
LjL | +900 in Milan today | 18:35 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +626 cases (now 512228), +18 deaths (now 23077), +13 recoveries (now 122245) πΈ US: +510 cases (now 75665), +18 deaths (now 1100) πΈ Louisiana, US: +510 cases (now 2305), +18 deaths (now 83) πΈ Veneto, Italy: +493 cases (now 6935), +29 deaths (now 287), +69 recoveries (now 508) [... want %more?] | 18:36 |
Thund3r81rd | hello | 18:36 |
Thund3r81rd | anyone online | 18:36 |
ggz | Thund3r81rd: no | 18:37 |
LjL | these civil protection people are morons, and offensive | 18:37 |
LjL | they say the curve is looking "okay" | 18:37 |
LjL | what the hell is looking okay when the biggest metro area of milan jumps from +300 to +900 | 18:38 |
LjL | of italy* | 18:38 |
LjL | and then, subtracting deceased from total of "new cases" | 18:38 |
LjL | that's offensive | 18:38 |
ggz | LjL: do you live in italy ? | 18:39 |
LjL | yes | 18:39 |
Cherenkov | My "favorite" by now is the president from Brazil. If you think Trump is dealing bad with the situation, check Bolsonaro | 18:40 |
Cherenkov | Ljl: wow, big increase in Milan. | 18:40 |
ggz | soon italy will exceed china, then USA will exceed italy and china | 18:40 |
LjL | %title https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1243231510368604161 | 18:41 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: Brainstorm su Twitter: "Io non credo certo che diate informazioni errate @DPCgov, però un po' fuorvianti sì. +4492 infettati, mentre sono +6153... matematicamente ha senso però sottraete i guariti, e [...] | 18:41 |
Cherenkov | Saw one video in reddit showing some hospital in China rejecting patients so they could show that they were having 0 new cases | 18:41 |
Cherenkov | Did anyone else saw something similar? | 18:42 |
ggz | Cherenkov: no but i have no problem believing china are tempering the numbers, like all government on earth are trying to do | 18:43 |
slash_ | I doubt China would be that stupid, but I agree with ggz that they're probably not reporting full numbers | 18:44 |
Thund3r81rd | well at least they're starting to let packeges go out | 18:44 |
slash_ | but maybe it's true, but in that case I'd expect the Chinese government to be very harsh to those responsible | 18:44 |
Thund3r81rd | mcm started shipping | 18:44 |
ggz | Thund3r81rd: covid infected packages ? =) | 18:45 |
ggz | slash_: what if it's the chinese government which is responsible ? | 18:45 |
slash_ | why would they risk another big outbreak? | 18:46 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:42 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Charles Ornstein su Twitter: "The U.S. now has 75,000+ cases and appears on track to surpass Italy as the country with the second higher number of cases today or tomorrow. It could also surpass China as the country with most cases (if you believe China's stats.)" [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/38Y7yL | 18:47 |
slash_ | the local gov guys who repressed it last time where severely punished by the central government | 18:47 |
slash_ | the CCP might be evil, but not stupid | 18:48 |
isvarahparamahkr | Hare Krsna | 18:51 |
LjL | isvarahparamahkr, people stop saying that | 18:52 |
LjL | please* | 18:52 |
Scarecr0w | I hate those 2 words even if I know and understand what it means. lol | 18:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: States hit hardest by jobless claims, Pelosi predicts more direct payments β from r/WorldNews at 17:50: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 18:53 |
isvarahparamahkr | Hare Krsna | 18:53 |
kreyren | Czech republic is enforcing the mandatory protection gear, i was told that just from yesterday police issued a sanction to 16K citizens | 18:53 |
kreyren | fee is set on up to 20K CZK | 18:54 |
isvarahparamahkr | Hare Rama | 18:54 |
isvarahparamahkr | Rama Rama | 18:54 |
Scarecr0w | isvarahparamahkr: I don't think anyone gives a fuck about your rama and krishna. Keep it to yourself mate. | 18:54 |
Timvde | 536 new cases in Belgium today, of which 434 in hospital | 18:58 |
Timvde | Yup, we pretty much only test severe cases... | 18:58 |
Cherenkov | I also don't believe they would risk a new outbreak, I tried to search for the post I saw yesterday but only found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/fpb9dh/chinese_family_fights_with_hospital_staff_after/ | 18:58 |
Cherenkov | The one I saw had huge number of upvotes and comments | 19:00 |
Scarecr0w | What kinda hospital does that? I understand if there's no room for the patient or patient not being severe enough but, keep "zero new case" record? That's outrageous. | 19:00 |
Cherenkov | I shared this to see if anyone had a clear back story or knew anything about it. | 19:03 |
LjL | that is violent content | 19:05 |
LjL | i'd just like to point that out | 19:05 |
LjL | i don't know what anybody there is saying | 19:05 |
aradesh | italy's graph has been quite linear for a while no | 19:05 |
aradesh | now | 19:05 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:00 UTC: Cuomo says 'reckless' $2 trillion coronavirus bill fails to help New York's revenue loss: The coronavirus bill provides $5 billion to New York, which doesn't come close to covering state's projected revenue shortfall, which could total $15 billion, Cuomo said. β from r/WorldNews at 18:00: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/pJbkWc | 19:06 |
aradesh | germany too | 19:06 |
aradesh | UK's also looks fairly linear... | 19:07 |
LjL | aradesh, not so linear today | 19:07 |
aradesh | for italy? | 19:07 |
LjL | the increase may not be super visible but it's an important ont | 19:07 |
LjL | yeah | 19:07 |
ecks | no new peak though | 19:07 |
aradesh | the website doesn't seem to have updated yet | 19:07 |
LjL | yesterday: +5210 | 19:08 |
LjL | today: +6153 | 19:08 |
LjL | 6153/5210 | 19:08 |
Thund3r81rd | Ljl: hows the economy in italy | 19:08 |
LjL | %wa 6153/5210 | 19:08 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (6153/5210): Decimal approximation: 1.180998080614203454894433781190019193857965451055662188099... β https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6153%2F5210 | 19:08 |
LjL | Thund3r81rd, stopped | 19:08 |
Arsanerit | Would anyone know a website for an interactive visualisation of casualties on a national or subnational level with a common baseline? Similar to the visualisations at https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest, but where the user can interactively switch on or off different countries or regions. | 19:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Russia β from r/WorldNews at 18:10: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/Z2ofeS | 19:12 |
aradesh | Arsanerit: this site seems pretty good https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html | 19:12 |
Arsanerit | aradesh: I know that site :) | 19:13 |
LjL | aradesh, https://offloop.net/covid19 will give you common baseline charts if you input a number of days into the box | 19:13 |
LjL | Arsanerit, even | 19:13 |
ecks | 404 | 19:14 |
Arsanerit | https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US works | 19:14 |
ecks | there was this super nice interactive graph on some website but I just can't figure it out... | 19:15 |
ecks | logarithmic graph that allowed you to highlight the trajectory of individual countries | 19:15 |
Arsanerit | LjL: Ah, indeed | 19:16 |
LjL | https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/fp7csh/on_this_day_25_years_ago_the_schengen_agreement/ | 19:16 |
LjL | and now Schengen is practically moot | 19:16 |
LjL | RIP | 19:16 |
aradesh | seems madagascar has now got 23 cases. i thought they were going to manage to avoid getting any | 19:17 |
mefistofeles | aradesh: yeah, even greenland has | 19:17 |
aradesh | i thought they closed their borders with 0 cases | 19:18 |
aradesh | guess not | 19:18 |
Arsanerit | Schengen always allowed for temporary border closures in times of crisis | 19:18 |
aradesh | i suppose it's impossible to do that completely, in a globalised world | 19:18 |
aradesh | you need supplies by ship, etc | 19:18 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: States hit hardest by jobless claims, Pelosi predicts more direct payments β from r/WorldNews at 18:15: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 19:18 |
aradesh | even if you manage to deliver the supplies without human contact, the supplies could be contaminated | 19:18 |
aradesh | the US is looking really concerning, re coronavirus | 19:19 |
LjL | NYC esp | 19:19 |
iz | up to #3 now | 19:19 |
aradesh | well at least they're locking down, etc now | 19:19 |
LjL | i don't even have the energcy to type the full word | 19:19 |
LjL | later | 19:19 |
aradesh | the problem is much of the US is doing very little | 19:19 |
iz | usa can't stand not to be #1 :b | 19:19 |
xrogaan | Just saw this in my feed: https://www.businessinsider.com/kious-kelly-hospital-nurse-dies-trash-bags-2020-3?r=US&IR=T | 19:19 |
xrogaan | Not looking good for the rest of the US. | 19:20 |
xrogaan | Doctors and nurses might die. | 19:20 |
aradesh | and you got loads of people in the USA who think its all a hoax or whatever, so won't take any precautions | 19:20 |
Arsanerit | Why does offloop.net have no subnational data for the US? | 19:20 |
iz | well, it's only like half of the states that are doing shelter in place stuff | 19:21 |
xrogaan | can the US states close their borders to each other? | 19:21 |
aradesh | i'm sure they could if the will was there | 19:21 |
aradesh | but it'd be a nightmare to maintain | 19:21 |
iz | i mean, i guess they could, but it would be mostly symbolic | 19:21 |
xrogaan | Is it something they are allowed to do? | 19:21 |
ecks | aradesh, https://www.visualcapitalist.com/infection-trajectory-flattening-the-covid19-curve/ | 19:21 |
iz | it's like the shelter in place thing is really just a strong suggestion | 19:22 |
xrogaan | It would make sense if a state just doesn't follow proper quarantine procedures, you don't want people coming from there. | 19:22 |
ecks | er, not aradesh, Arsanerit i meant | 19:22 |
iz | the only thing they can really enforce is stuff like a curfew in nyc | 19:22 |
Justin[m] | 16 of 50 states. I'm not sure of the percentage of the population - the last I heard was 25% | 19:22 |
aradesh | nice graphic | 19:23 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:20 UTC: (news): The coronavirus may be deadlier than the 1918 flu: Here's how it stacks up to other pandemics β from r/WorldNews at 18:20: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/tfe2as | 19:24 |
Justin[m] | In general states may not close their borders to US citizen. I don't know if there are exceptions for emergencies. | 19:25 |
LjL | <26xrogaan18> can the US states close their borders to each other? | 19:25 |
LjL | 18<29aradesh18> i'm sure they could if the will was there | 19:25 |
LjL | β not constitutionally | 19:25 |
aradesh | ah | 19:25 |
Justin[m] | Florida has imposed mandatory self quarantine to anyone traveling there from New York though. I don't know how they enforce it. | 19:25 |
LjL | but i guess the constitution may or may not be temporarily forgotten at this particular time | 19:25 |
aradesh | yeah, that's what i mean. when the will is there it all goes out the window | 19:26 |
aradesh | with the will being caused by desparation | 19:26 |
aradesh | full desparation mode across most of the US will surely occur within a fortnight | 19:26 |
LjL | aradesh, the thing is either it gets done at a federal level, or else if a state does it individually, tbh the federal government may decide to just send tanks | 19:26 |
aradesh | obviously the sooner the better | 19:26 |
xrogaan | https://i.imgur.com/54KIzC2.png | 19:27 |
ubLIX | xrogaan: not familiar with that tracker. source? | 19:29 |
xrogaan | sure: https://covid19info.live/ | 19:29 |
ubLIX | thx | 19:30 |
xrogaan | under the "extra graph" | 19:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Worldwide cases top 500,000, may be deadlier than 1918 flu β from r/WorldNews at 18:24: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 19:30 |
LjL | https://is.gd/V1kCcR | 19:34 |
LjL | statement by Conte | 19:34 |
xrogaan | LjL: I don't follow the statement, what are "custom protections"? | 19:35 |
xrogaan | what is he talking about? | 19:35 |
tryup | Hi ljl what does one call those machines that are like dialysis machines but they add oxygen to the blood? | 19:35 |
ecks | ECMO | 19:35 |
LjL | xrogaan, he means financial aid tied to a system where the country is basically controlled by the EU for a few years... i.e. what happened with Greece after 2008 | 19:36 |
Xip | Hey guys | 19:36 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +4939 cases (now 517167), +188 deaths (now 23265) πΈ United Kingdom: +1809 cases (now 11658), +101 deaths (now 578) πΈ US: +3035 cases (now 78700), +36 deaths (now 1136) πΈ New Jersey, US: +2474 cases (now 6876), +19 deaths (now 81) πΈ Michigan, US: +561 cases (now 2856), +17 deaths (now 60) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) [... want %more?] | 19:36 |
LjL | %cases us | 19:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Alabama, US, there are 449 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 18:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 19:36 |
xrogaan | %cases United States | 19:37 |
Brainstorm | xrogaan: In Alabama, US, there are 449 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 18:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 19:37 |
xrogaan | huh | 19:37 |
LjL | it doesn't work | 19:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as some scientists warn may be deadlier than 1918 flu β from r/WorldNews at 18:30: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 19:37 |
LjL | i just clicked on the site | 19:37 |
Xip | Hope you guys are well now, it was a while I was on | 19:37 |
LjL | we're all alive i guess, or at least our bouncers are | 19:38 |
Xip | LjL, Sorry for the way I behaved when you made this channel. As I said then, maybe this channel will be useful, turns out it became quite big! | 19:38 |
zirpu | the #covid-19-is-a-hoax channel is bigger. :-) | 19:38 |
python476 | hoi back | 19:39 |
zirpu | i sure hope that drums the trump out of office. that big dummy. | 19:39 |
Xip | zirpu: Nuhu | 19:39 |
LjL | Xip, seen worse | 19:39 |
Xip | Well I went up north as I said. I am glad I did not have to deal with this mass psychosis. | 19:40 |
Xip | Takes a while to kick drugs really, you got to truly be away from everything to see things clearly. | 19:41 |
Xip | I'm going to read the news some now and take it in. | 19:42 |
aradesh | even if america was souless enough to actually avoid shutting down its economy by carrying on like normal, they'd lose so many people from their workforce due to the virus, and countries around the world would ban movement to/from the USA of people to avoid getting infected, and it'd enormously increase the chance of mutations occurring with hundreds of millions of infected | 19:42 |
tryup | Aradesh has the US locked down all cities yet | 19:43 |
aradesh | not to my knowledge | 19:43 |
aradesh | new york maybe? | 19:43 |
Xip | LjL, Anything you think I should look into? | 19:43 |
zirpu | it's up to the states at this point. the Feds cannot be depended on to pull their heads out of the sand. | 19:43 |
tryup | Aradesh what's the protocol for grocery shopping in Italy? | 19:43 |
LjL | Xip, the channel's resources page is now being maintained on github... so if you look at it you can see which links have been added (mostly by me, but often thanks to other people linking them) in the past weeks | 19:43 |
LjL | tryup, i'm in italy, aradesh is not | 19:44 |
tryup | Is it coordinated so ppl can't possibly come within 2m of each other | 19:44 |
LjL | no | 19:44 |
LjL | entry is limited to a small number | 19:44 |
zirpu | i'll bet i can sneeze further than 2m. :-) | 19:44 |
LjL | outside there are long queues, which generally keep at least 1m distance | 19:44 |
LjL | as 1m is what the law imposes | 19:44 |
rajrajraj | dTal is a bastard? | 19:44 |
LjL | zirpu, it's really arbitrary numbers | 19:44 |
tryup | LjL are ppl told to wash their groceries? | 19:44 |
LjL | rajrajraj, that is beyond unacceptable | 19:45 |
aradesh | tryup: i'm in the UK< and people have been told to wash their groceries | 19:45 |
aradesh | which i've been doing | 19:45 |
zirpu | LjL: it's a start, better than not nudging people to stay apart to reduce the spread. | 19:45 |
LjL | zirpu, we are told NOT to wash our groceries, pretty much. when questions like these are asked on TV, they generally say it makes little sense | 19:45 |
Xip | I have seriously been off the grid for a while, so this might sound strange, since I am up north in Sweden but - anyone know why Sweden has so few cases and why is it not reported on? | 19:45 |
LjL | zirpu, we try to order groceries online, so i don't really have the "supermarket experience" in mind aside from seeing the queues outside | 19:46 |
aradesh | LjL: what's your feeling? to me, i don't want to have packages in my hand that potential coronavirus carries have been handling... | 19:46 |
LjL | zirpu, but it's very hard to order them online too | 19:46 |
aradesh | in my house* | 19:46 |
AimHere | Sweden isn't a huge country, and it's not got a land border with the more corona-afflicted European countries | 19:46 |
LjL | aradesh, my feeling is it's very very hard to disinfect everything without touching something else in the meanwhile | 19:46 |
Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 19:46 |
Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 2433 cases, 59 deaths (2.4% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 26, 18:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 19:46 |
aradesh | yeah, but it's a good idea to at least try right? | 19:46 |
AimHere | Well it has a bridge to Denmark | 19:46 |
LjL | aradesh, and that when you live with other people, eventually if they find stuff excessive, they won't do it, no matter how logically sound it is | 19:46 |
LjL | aradesh, probably | 19:46 |
aradesh | well i live on my own | 19:47 |
Xip | AimHere, Sweden seems to be functioning as normal and they did not close borders | 19:47 |
LjL | aradesh, well i don't :P | 19:47 |
aradesh | so i bring my laundry in, clean it in the kitchen, and clean everything i can like my hands | 19:47 |
aradesh | and door handles | 19:47 |
aradesh | and the clips on my rucksack | 19:47 |
aradesh | :P | 19:47 |
aradesh | er, shopping* | 19:47 |
AimHere | Xip, right; they're somewhat slow to get it because there's a bit of distance between them and Italy/France/Spain | 19:47 |
LjL | aradesh, get a spray can that you can put a 70% alcohol solution in | 19:47 |
LjL | aradesh, i'm sure you must have a spray bottle for something somewhere | 19:47 |
LjL | aradesh, that comes in handy | 19:47 |
tryup | Aradesh estΓ‘s evitando verduras con hojas grandes Como lechuga? | 19:48 |
AimHere | Xip, they're probably testing less than other countries, due to the government's attitude | 19:48 |
LjL | no creo que aradesh habla espaΓ±ol tryup pero podemos hablar en inglΓ©s en el canal todavia? | 19:49 |
tryup | come Γ¨ stata la tua dieta di recente? LjL seΓ±or | 19:49 |
LjL | the usual, we can find all the usual food | 19:50 |
LjL | it's just hard to order online because all the slots are taken up | 19:50 |
tryup | You're not avoiding greens with large surface area? | 19:50 |
LjL | you wait after midnight so new slots open up, but then everyone else is also trying, and the site crashes | 19:50 |
LjL | if you're lucky you make it eventually | 19:50 |
LjL | tryup, i don't really eat those tbh... except cooked, which shouldn't be an issue | 19:50 |
tryup | What is the name of the grocery store you order stuff online from? | 19:51 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +4316 cases (now 521483), +372 deaths (now 23637), +1051 recoveries (now 123296) πΈ US: +382 cases (now 79082), +7 deaths (now 1143), +1 recoveries (now 1864) πΈ France: +3922 cases (now 29155), +365 deaths (now 1696), +1048 recoveries (now 4948) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) [... want %more?] | 19:51 |
LjL | tryup, Esselunga | 19:52 |
LjL | it's probably the biggest chain in the country | 19:52 |
LjL | a few smaller chains have just suspended online orders | 19:52 |
tryup | You're lucky they deliver | 19:52 |
Xip | Some connection issues, I haven't been here since I wrote last time | 19:52 |
LjL | i think that's a mistake, i think the government should help supermarkets deliver to everyone | 19:52 |
LjL | physical supermarkets are probably among the few "remaining" dangerous places | 19:52 |
LjL | the other being hospitals, which is hardly avoidable | 19:53 |
tryup | I tried to find a grocer that delivers for my aunt....not always easy in every locale in the US | 19:53 |
Xip | I am in a very rural area, trying to set up a mobile connection that works out here | 19:53 |
Xip | Have to go back to the base soon though =) Zero possibility to get any connection there | 19:54 |
tryup | come sta tua sorella? il suo coniuge Γ¨ difficile? | 19:54 |
Xip | I just felt I had to update myself now a bit, it's kinda hard to be isolated | 19:55 |
Xip | It seems like Stockholm will be locked down in 1-2 days | 19:55 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:50 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Massive 57% single-day increase in confirmed cases in New Jersey. β from r/WorldNews at 18:50: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/4zGrQa | 19:56 |
Xip | So maybe Sweden will go with the flow afterall, we'll see I guess | 19:56 |
Xip | If it turns out that Bitcoin is truly a hedge, that it recovers when the stock does not I will use all my funds to help out as much as I can | 19:57 |
Xip | I will think about it this week and what to do | 19:58 |
tryup | Bitcoin is a hedge? | 19:59 |
Xip | We will see I guess | 19:59 |
LjL | <CarlSagan> [NPR - Science] READ: President Trump's Letter To Governors On New Coronavirus Guidelines https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/822049287/read-president-trumps-letter-to-governors-on-new-coronavirus-guidelines?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=science 2020-03-26T14:36:23 | 20:00 |
LjL | courtesy of yn | 20:00 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Fauci tells basketball star Stephen Curry US 'can start thinking about' getting back to normal when pandemic curve falls β from r/WorldNews at 18:54: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/In8xvP | 20:02 |
tryup | Are you worried for the US now LjL? | 20:03 |
Xip | Herd immunity seems to be out of the question, I wonder why.. | 20:04 |
Xip | So it could be that people never truly recover? What do we know about that? | 20:05 |
the_owls_are_not | We (the US) are completely screwed. | 20:05 |
Birosso | Why is the US screwed? | 20:05 |
Xip | LjL, Do you know anything about that? Thoughts? | 20:05 |
AimHere | Xip, Herd immunity is likely part of the endgame; it's hard to keep a lid on this virus. The question is more how to slow the virus down to minimise deaths and/or wait for the vaccine | 20:06 |
tryup | Herd immunity will eventually be established I think | 20:06 |
xionbox[m] | Birosso: not enough ICU beds, not enough PPE for medical staff, not enough tests, no way to enforce a lockdown | 20:06 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +461 cases (now 521944), +5 deaths (now 23642), +25 recoveries (now 123321) πΈ Canada: +318 cases (now 3897), +1 deaths (now 37), +14 recoveries (now 199) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πΉ Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) πΉ Arkansas, US: +25 cases (now 335) πΉ Austria: +113 cases (now 6816) [... want %more?] | 20:06 |
tryup | There will be waves of infection until herd immunity is established | 20:06 |
Xip | AimHere, Vaccine? There's not going to be a vaccine for this for a long time | 20:07 |
AimHere | Xip, which is what I mean by 'slow the virus down' | 20:07 |
Xip | AimHere, Mhm | 20:07 |
aradesh | Xip: there are problems with going down this road. a) the enormous amount of infections you get in a short period of time will utterly overwhelm the hospitals, which will mean more people will die than necessary, as so many people won't be able to get the care they need. another problem is that the more people who are infected, the better chance of a mutation, and then all your hard work is undone | 20:07 |
xrogaan | Even then, there is no insurance herd immunity would function. | 20:07 |
aradesh | Xip: yes. we may have to live like this for 1-2 years | 20:07 |
tryup | Do the spike proteins mutate rapidly? | 20:07 |
xrogaan | The virus mutated once, could do again and start a whole other pandemic once everybody think it's safe. | 20:08 |
aradesh | Xip: lifting and reapplying the quarantines, while we a) get better at detecting the virus to identify it faster and b) while we develop a vacine | 20:08 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:05 UTC: (news): Worldwide coronavirus cases top 500,000, doubling in just over a week β from r/WorldNews at 19:05: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/ZJYSgr | 20:08 |
the_owls_are_not | Birosso: It's really just a perfect storm. Our attitudes, our health care system, our political system. | 20:09 |
mefistofeles | xrogaan: the virus has mutated many times, not sure what you are saying | 20:09 |
aradesh | but it seems quite likely the next 1 year or so, we'll be living in a very reduced economic way | 20:09 |
aradesh | we'll get much faster at detecting the virus though, before we get a vaccine | 20:09 |
aradesh | so we'll detect its spread much faste | 20:09 |
mefistofeles | surely | 20:10 |
aradesh | and quarantine the right areas much more effectively | 20:10 |
mefistofeles | better treatments as well | 20:10 |
Xip | aradesh, Right | 20:10 |
xrogaan | Yeah, what I said was kind of BS. | 20:10 |
aradesh | well no not really | 20:11 |
aradesh | your point still stands | 20:11 |
aradesh | all it needs to do is mutate in a way that causes problems again | 20:11 |
aradesh | even for people immune to the old one | 20:11 |
aradesh | and the more people who have the virus, the more opportunities there are for that to happen | 20:11 |
aradesh | which is why we need to not let it spread rampantly | 20:11 |
tryup | I suspect that these by proteins mutate rapidly but any other configuration of Spike protein is far less contagious so we don't notice those unless we do really extensive testing | 20:11 |
xrogaan | Anyhow, herd immunity helps by reducing the speed of spread. Problem is that with this disease, as far as I have learned, we need nearly everybody to be immune (about 90%). | 20:12 |
tryup | These spike proteins* | 20:12 |
Xip | This virus may be dangerous, people are dangerous. | 20:12 |
xrogaan | or 80% | 20:12 |
xrogaan | Can't remember | 20:12 |
xrogaan | anything under wouldn't be effective, and create another exponential growth. | 20:13 |
tryup | Can we say that this virus mutates rapidly? | 20:13 |
mefistofeles | tryup: the proteins do not mutate that fast, in general | 20:13 |
mefistofeles | the nucleotides can mutate faster, though | 20:13 |
tryup | What are the nucleotides? | 20:13 |
xrogaan | isn't it dependent on the rate of multiplication of those little crap? | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | tryup: so far it is not that fast, slower than influenza A, apparently | 20:14 |
tryup | Don't nucleotides govern the proteins | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | tryup: yes, but you can have many different type of mutations | 20:14 |
xrogaan | Also, why hasn't the flu been eradicated? It's a disease everybody know, every body gets and every body hates. | 20:14 |
Xip | I picked up a telescope today, will spend some time trying to figure out how to use it.. That and fishing, hunting when the sun is up. My girl is coming tommorow, finally I can stop freaking out being alone out here.. | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | ah missense mutations changes an amino acid in the encoded protein | 20:15 |
mefistofeles | these mutations are way less common | 20:15 |
Xip | Think I will give it another month and just crawl back into the woods.. | 20:15 |
mefistofeles | xrogaan: it mutates too quickly, basically | 20:15 |
xrogaan | Is it too early to know if covid can mutate as fast? | 20:16 |
mefistofeles | so far it isn't | 20:16 |
tryup | Is it true the spike protein arrangement is rather precarious and would tend to mutate away quickly? | 20:16 |
mefistofeles | tryup: quickly compared to what? | 20:16 |
mefistofeles | and precarious compared to what? | 20:16 |
Xip | I read some fringe thing that when it will it Brazil something can happen with the virus with their bats or something | 20:16 |
Xip | Who knows... | 20:16 |
Xip | hit* | 20:16 |
mefistofeles | Xip: what? | 20:17 |
xrogaan | And pangolins have something similar to it. Just stories the news carry around. | 20:18 |
Xip | mefistofeles, Something someone told me, I don't know. I don't want to cause any panic or anything. I did that first time I was here, not going to do that now. | 20:18 |
mefistofeles | yes, pangolins are the most probable mid host | 20:18 |
mefistofeles | Xip: no idea what you are talking about, fwiw | 20:18 |
xrogaan | mefistofeles: basically COVID could go into brazil's bat population and wreak havok | 20:19 |
mefistofeles | xrogaan: why? | 20:19 |
mefistofeles | ok | 20:19 |
Xip | mefistofeles, Bitcoin was bootstrapped on Freenode. No one knows what it means when I say that either. | 20:19 |
mefistofeles | Xip: that I can get | 20:20 |
xrogaan | And cat memes got bootstrapped on 4chan. | 20:20 |
Xip | xrogaan, And porn before that to everything.. that we got here. | 20:21 |
bin_bash | i think youre using the word "bootstrapped" incorrectly. | 20:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 19:08: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 20:22 |
Xip | bin_bash, Realized that. I haven't had a few beer for weeks =) | 20:22 |
xrogaan | bin_bash: does it involve a piece of cord and a boot? | 20:22 |
Xip | bin_bash, Let's just call it a botnet. | 20:22 |
Xip | The first botnet was here. Then they got another IRC server. | 20:23 |
Xip | Etc. | 20:23 |
bin_bash | the first botnet was not here | 20:23 |
Xip | But Freenode is sacred. | 20:23 |
Xip | bin_bash, First Bitcoin botnet was here | 20:24 |
bin_bash | stop making weird false statements | 20:24 |
Xip | bin_bash, It's true though | 20:24 |
mefistofeles | Xip: source? | 20:24 |
Xip | Me | 20:24 |
mefistofeles | ok, fake | 20:24 |
Xip | ok | 20:24 |
bin_bash | the statement doesnt even make sense | 20:25 |
Xip | bin_bash, How so? | 20:25 |
Xip | bin_bash, This is really off-topic though, we can discuss this in PM if you want | 20:26 |
bin_bash | i dont really care | 20:26 |
Xip | Fair enough | 20:26 |
bin_bash | but to say "the first bitcoin botnet was here" doesn't mean anything. | 20:26 |
mefistofeles | bin_bash: then let it go xD | 20:26 |
Xip | Well the early botnets usually had a control center where each client would join as a chat user on IRC networks | 20:27 |
Xip | Bitcoin started that way | 20:27 |
LjL | https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/3537 | 20:27 |
Xip | Anyway that is long time ago | 20:28 |
LjL | not freenode | 20:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as some scientists warn may be deadlier than 1918 flu β from r/WorldNews at 19:24: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 20:28 |
Xip | First it was Freenode, I tried actually to find source on it now but it is so insanely long time ago | 20:28 |
mefistofeles | Xip: LjL just pointed out the source, not freenode | 20:29 |
Xip | I was there so anyway, I won't discuss this | 20:29 |
mefistofeles | ok | 20:29 |
Xip | It's off-topic but LjL runs this channel and he decides what we can or can not do here | 20:29 |
Xip | I'm going to chat with some other friends I got here, I got an unstable connection and I got to go soon | 20:30 |
bin_bash | "i was there when the thing that never happened happened" | 20:30 |
bin_bash | ok buddy | 20:30 |
mefistofeles | sorry Xip | 20:30 |
mefistofeles | xD | 20:30 |
tryupp | Spike proteins mutate rapidly | 20:31 |
tryupp | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30404801/ | 20:31 |
mefistofeles | tryupp: again, compared to what? | 20:31 |
mefistofeles | virus do mutate a lot, we know that | 20:31 |
tryupp | Just as rapidly as any other coronal virus | 20:32 |
mefistofeles | ok, sure | 20:32 |
tryupp | However you will be led to believe that they don't mutate rapidly in this case because this specific configuration of Spike proteins is very contagious | 20:32 |
mefistofeles | it seems pretty optimized indeed | 20:33 |
tryupp | So other configurations will be less contagious and unless you test extensively you won't noticed them easily | 20:33 |
mefistofeles | still, the "contagiousness" (not sure that exist) is not determined by the S protein only, that's not known | 20:33 |
bin_bash | r0 | 20:34 |
mefistofeles | in this case, some people are trying to give hints on it compared to previous SARS, since the RBD of the S protein seems to be more optimized for higher affinity | 20:34 |
tryupp | Thankfully Korea did very thorough analysis during its micro outbreak of 2018 | 20:34 |
mefistofeles | but still, not known | 20:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 19:29: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 20:34 |
LjL | mefistofeles, what did rajrajraj do, for my information, and also freenode staff's information? | 20:35 |
tryupp | What else determines contagiousness? | 20:35 |
mefistofeles | LjL: https://bpaste.net/EDEA | 20:36 |
Xip | OOT: You know what, this annoyed me a bit. So if I can see if I can find some guys that worked with BTC in the early days, I will set something up so you can get the background about what I am talking about. | 20:36 |
mefistofeles | tryupp: there are many allosteric effects, and apparently not only the S protein is involved in the binding, as some reports have already noticed | 20:36 |
Xip | (in another channel, we'll see what one) | 20:36 |
bin_bash | Xip: jesus fuck, nobody gives a shit about your retarded claims | 20:36 |
mefistofeles | there are also things regarding how the imune system responds specifically to this | 20:37 |
mefistofeles | atc. | 20:37 |
mefistofeles | etc.* | 20:37 |
LjL | cews, dTal: please see pastebin from mefistofeles above | 20:37 |
mefistofeles | bin_bash: calm down | 20:37 |
Xip | bin_bash, Calm down man what the fuck? | 20:37 |
bin_bash | lol im not even yellin :P | 20:38 |
tryupp | What does RBD mean? | 20:38 |
dTal | LjL: hahaha | 20:38 |
Xip | bin_bash, Nevermind then. I was trying to be friendly. | 20:38 |
LjL | bin_bash, chill, you don't need to start swearing so much, whatever Xip is saying, he's not being very rude | 20:38 |
dTal | I devoiced him for being incredibly annoying and he started hurling abuse by PM | 20:38 |
mefistofeles | tryupp: receptor binding domain | 20:39 |
LjL | dTal, i kind of thought so when i saw the quiet and subsequent kickban. shall we have a tour of #freenode? | 20:39 |
cews | LjL: mefistofeles seen this. He was abusive. Warned before he was muted, then spamming the channels (wasnt muted across all) aiming further abuse at OPs. | 20:39 |
dzho | tryupp: are you asking what is a receptor binding domain? | 20:40 |
mefistofeles | dzho: yes | 20:40 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Fauci tells basketball star Stephen Curry US 'can start thinking about' getting back to normal when pandemic curve falls β from r/WorldNews at 19:33: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/In8xvP | 20:40 |
Arsanerit | ecks: Thanks. The visualcapitalist "flattening the curve" graph gives me an unspecified error message ("There was a problem loading this chart"). | 20:42 |
dzho | a part of the protein that sticks to a different protein, in essence | 20:42 |
tryupp | Dzho tell me how this virus gets inside a cell in a nutshell | 20:42 |
dzho | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16166518 | 20:42 |
mefistofeles | %title | 20:43 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Structure of SARS coronavirus spike receptor-binding domain complexed with receptor. - PubMed - NCBI | 20:43 |
mefistofeles | dzho: that's for previous SARS, fwiw | 20:43 |
mefistofeles | there are already many structures for the new SARS-CoV-2 in complex with the receptor | 20:44 |
mefistofeles | there's actually a mediating protein in the process, not sure if can be called a cofactor | 20:44 |
mefistofeles | so tryupp, there's also that | 20:44 |
dzho | things are going to be very, very similar | 20:44 |
dzho | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer_fusion | 20:45 |
mefistofeles | yes, apparently one of the main differences is taht some residues are now more hydrophobic, I think | 20:45 |
mefistofeles | in the binding surface | 20:45 |
tryupp | Is the current spike protein rather precarious? Could it easily become far less contagious? | 20:45 |
mefistofeles | and the conformation is closed, only in that conformation the RBD was attached | 20:45 |
mefistofeles | I think this didn't happen in previous SARS; fwiw | 20:46 |
tryupp | Wtf does conformation mean | 20:46 |
mefistofeles | basically you can have this complex in two conformations, open and closed | 20:46 |
tryupp | This a weird word in English | 20:46 |
dzho | "state" | 20:46 |
dzho | "configuration" | 20:46 |
mefistofeles | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6483/1260 the paper is in the topic URL, but here it is anyways | 20:47 |
tryupp | You are welcome to tutor me in biology | 20:50 |
mefistofeles | tryupp: I suck at it, but sure, if I can be of any help :P | 20:50 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +2390 cases (now 524334), +28 deaths (now 23670), +1 recoveries (now 123322) πΈ US: +989 cases (now 80071), +8 deaths (now 1151) πΈ Turkey: +1196 cases (now 3629), +16 deaths (now 75) πΈ Illinois, US: +673 cases (now 2538), +7 deaths (now 26) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πΉ Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) [... want %more?] | 20:51 |
dzho | tryupp: the essential idea is depicted here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer_fusion#/media/File:Membrane_fusion_via_stalk_formation.jpg | 20:52 |
tryupp | Me cambiΓ³ el sueΓ±o recien mefistofeles | 20:52 |
python476 | https://preview.redd.it/ysva1ht8x0p41.png?width=680&auto=webp&s=e6ab0ebce5e028b22b23ecc6bc7f209f2088637b | 20:52 |
dzho | looking at the leftmost portion of that, imagine one of those is the layer around the virus particle and the other is the layer around the target cell | 20:52 |
python476 | graph of the year | 20:52 |
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mefistofeles | tryupp: ah? | 20:53 |
tryupp | Thanks dzho | 20:54 |
dzho | sure | 20:54 |
dzho | on the right then you see how a passage is opened up | 20:54 |
dzho | that allows the virus genome, as carried by single stranded, postive-sense RNA to go into the target cell | 20:55 |
cews | 518 cases between Italy and USA | 20:55 |
dzho | shortly after that, the target cell starts reading this genome and carrying out its assembly instructions | 20:55 |
dzho | which is to make the virus now, instead of whatever that cell was doing before | 20:55 |
mefistofeles | dzho: exclusively? really? I didn't know that | 20:55 |
dzho | I don't know the extent of exclusivity | 20:56 |
mefistofeles | oh ok | 20:56 |
dzho | I haven't been at a lab bench in > 20 years | 20:56 |
dzho | and did chemistry not biology | 20:56 |
mefistofeles | dzho: physics here xD | 20:57 |
dzho | so this is a lot more atoms than I ever really thought about when I was working in a lab :) | 20:57 |
dzho | mefistofeles: nice | 20:57 |
dzho | I knew a guy who worked on SNARE protein so the concept of membrane fusion is something I've at least *heard* of before | 20:58 |
Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 20:58 |
Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 3629 cases, 75 deaths (2.1% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 26, 19:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 20:58 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as amid warnings pandemic may be deadlier than 1918 flu β from r/WorldNews at 19:56: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/WZVx0c | 20:59 |
dzho | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNARE_(protein)#/media/File:Opening_of_a_Fusion_Pore_during_Exocytosis.png <-- a cartoon of membrane fusion showing how proteins might help make it happen | 21:00 |
dzho | in this example, it's not infection that's happening, but a way the cell has of pushing things (neurotransmitters, I think, in this case) from inside the cell to the outside of the cell in a controlled way | 21:02 |
dzho | d'oh I guess we lost tryupp a while back but oh well, maybe that's useful to someone else too. | 21:03 |
dzho | gave me a chance to try to work through this a little bit with wikipedia as a resource | 21:04 |
Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 20:00 UTC: For Budding Researchers like Me, COVID-19 Is a Lesson in Science Communication: The outbreak has made it plain how important it is to explain to the public what we know and what we donβt, clearly and honestly -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com β from r/WorldNews at 20:00: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/nuf0Hm | 21:06 |
mefistofeles | dzho: thanks still :) | 21:07 |
jhammons | data Texas, US | 21:09 |
jhammons | %data Texas, USA | 21:09 |
Brainstorm | jhammons: Sorry, Texas, USA not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:09 |
jhammons | %data Texas | 21:10 |
Brainstorm | jhammons: In Texas, US, there are 1442 cases, 18 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 21:10 |
dunnp | so tomorrow US has most cases? | 21:10 |
dunnp | or tonight when all the updates are in... | 21:10 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 20:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA β from r/WorldNews at 20:06: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/OkpQbH | 21:12 |
A2666 | Wait until midnight Pacific time, US will be no1 | 21:13 |
pyna | checking the news and boy does it seem to be getting grim in NYC right now | 21:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 20:13: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 21:18 |
pyna | and it seems to be coming along nicely in the rest of the country | 21:18 |
pyna | reminds me of the william gibson quote "the future is here, just not evenly distributed" | 21:19 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +1258 cases (now 525592), +49 deaths (now 23719) πΈ US: +783 cases (now 80854), +12 deaths (now 1163) πΈ Massachusetts, US: +579 cases (now 2417), +10 deaths (now 25) πΈ Brazil: +304 cases (now 2915), +14 deaths (now 77) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πΉ Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) [... want %more?] | 21:21 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:18 UTC: (news): Worldwide coronavirus cases top 500,000, doubling in just over a week β from r/WorldNews at 20:18: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/ZJYSgr | 21:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:29 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump to revise physical distancing guidelines despite experts' warnings: New York governor rails at Congress for lack of aid After surviving Katrina, New Orleans battles Covid-19 Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/GiVdxL | 21:37 |
COVID-19Hangouts | > Trump to revise physical distancing guidelines despite experts' warnings | 21:40 |
COVID-19Hangouts | Any Icelandic friends in here? Asking because I don't want to live in this shithole anymore | 21:40 |
python476 | NY is already calling for more respirators | 21:40 |
python476 | Trump is prepping his own death bed | 21:40 |
blkshp | Trump has a hospital in the whitehouse! | 21:41 |
blkshp | and another ventilator in the car! | 21:41 |
AimHere | USA #1. | 21:46 |
pyna | suburbs have a map so you can see local cases, but this city does not | 21:46 |
Arsanerit | Is Trump in charge of physical distancing guidelines? | 21:48 |
Arsanerit | I thought that was up to individual states? | 21:48 |
python476 | good point | 21:49 |
Arsanerit | perhaps within the White House he is | 21:50 |
Arsanerit | COVID-19Hangouts: IIRC Iceland is not the easiest country to move to, but Svalbard allows anyone from anywhere to move there as long as they can support themselves. | 21:50 |
gildarts | Yeah, that is all by states. And Fauci has said that Trump hasn't overruled him on anything, so I wonder what the sources for that report are. | 21:50 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +1243 cases (now 526835), +25 deaths (now 23744), +7 recoveries (now 123329) πΈ US: +1042 cases (now 81896), +11 deaths (now 1174) πΈ New York, US: +480 cases (now 37738) πΈ California, US: +475 cases (now 3718), +10 deaths (now 78) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πΉ Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 501) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) [... want %more?] | 21:51 |
Arsanerit | What relevant formal authority /does/ Trump have on this? Clearly what he says impacts his brownshirts but formally? | 21:52 |
tinwhiskers | Well, the USA has now overtaken China | 21:52 |
COVID-19Hangouts | Arsanerit Yeah I've done some research on moving to Iceland, seems pretty hard, I'm in IT/Networking which would make it a bit easier. Svalbard, man, I dunno if I could ever do that, but being able to go to Pyramiden would be pretty damn cool | 21:53 |
aradesh | more than 100 fatalities today in the UK :\ | 21:53 |
dunnp | USA #1? | 21:53 |
ecks | yep | 21:54 |
tinwhiskers | dunnp: yep, the job is not over until the USA is #1 | 21:54 |
Arsanerit | COVID-19Hangouts: the "if you can support yourself" rules it out for most people, it's a very expensive place to live and there are very few jobs or homes there. | 21:54 |
dunnp | ok we can shut this down now | 21:54 |
tinwhiskers | agreed | 21:55 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β from r/WorldNews at 20:44: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/JdZU97 | 21:56 |
COVID-19Hangouts | Arsanerit Yeah and I doubt Svalbard needs Network Engineers, lol | 21:56 |
Arsanerit | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/brazil-rio-gangs-coronavirus | 21:57 |
ubLIX | tinwhiskers: how much work would it be to add a button (on offloop) that changes y-axis from number of cases to percentage of population? | 21:57 |
Arsanerit | COVID-19Hangouts: they may need a couple, but those positions are probably already filled. | 21:57 |
tinwhiskers | ubLIX: not a great deal if I had a decent list of populations | 21:57 |
Arsanerit | COVID-19Hangouts: I'm told Hungary is actually the easiest to get into formally, within Schengen; they have a severe shortage of highly skilled people because the smart Asians don't want to go there, they go to English speaking countries or Germany preferably, and many qualified Hungarians leave the country for greener pastures. | 21:58 |
Arsanerit | COVID-19Hangouts: If you learn Hungarian up to B1/B2 level you should have no problem getting a visa-sponsoring job offer in Hungary. | 21:58 |
ubLIX | tinwhiskers: if i put together a list of data (with notes on vintage of data) would you consider it? | 21:59 |
Arsanerit | decent list of populations shouldn't be hard to get | 21:59 |
tinwhiskers | sure | 21:59 |
Arsanerit | at least on a national level | 21:59 |
Arsanerit | Why does offloop.net have no subnational option for the US? | 21:59 |
tinwhiskers | note that to work properly you'll need the regions as well | 21:59 |
ubLIX | noted. will come back to you tomorrow, then, probably, tinwhiskers | 21:59 |
COVID-19Hangouts | Arsanerit Hmm, that's good to know, Budapest looks gorgeous. I don't speak HUngarian and it sounds hard. offloop.net actually *does* have US States again, but not in the GUI | 22:00 |
tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: because John Hopkins removed the state-level data. I'm working on getting some other data in | 22:00 |
Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: oh, I see. I did see NY data at the Financial Times visualisation and thought they had the same source. | 22:00 |
tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: I'm half way there... | 22:01 |
tinwhiskers | %cases texas | 22:01 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Texas, US, there are 1442 cases, 18 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: Are those these data? https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19 | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | %cases montana | 22:01 |
Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Montana, US, there are 71 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:01 |
tinwhiskers | I have those ones in but not on the graphs yet | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | Ok :) | 22:01 |
tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: yes, that's the data | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | %cases hawaii | 22:01 |
Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Hawaii, US, there are 95 cases, 1 deaths (1.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:01 |
Arsanerit | %cases alaska | 22:02 |
Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Alaska, US, there are 59 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:02 |
Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: thanks for the work | 22:02 |
tinwhiskers | yw | 22:02 |
COVID-19Hangouts | tinwhiskers is your bot available on GitHub? THis seems very nice | 22:02 |
tinwhiskers | it's not my bot | 22:02 |
tinwhiskers | I just do the data that it's using | 22:02 |
blkshp | So they have just done from an operating theatre / OR or whatever you call it, doctors and nurses saying how masks are pretty much pointless unless you use a FFP-3 mask or better and they have to be fitted, last one use of 2.5 hours but other then that, pointless. | 22:03 |
Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: are you responsible for the CSSE Data? | 22:04 |
tinwhiskers | blkshp: unless you are infected already (whether you know it or not), then it stops you spreading it | 22:04 |
tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: no, God. No. I'd have to shoot myself | 22:04 |
blkshp | Well that's not what the doctors just said. | 22:04 |
tinwhiskers | blkshp: it's useless to prevent you catching it | 22:05 |
Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: they have a lot of issues and pull requests. | 22:05 |
blkshp | But then i suppose yes, if it comes out in a cough then if you have a cough you could wear one, but then again if you have a cough you shouldn't be going out with one regardless. | 22:05 |
tinwhiskers | yes, true | 22:05 |
blkshp | It's just a lot of people are asking why people are going out without masks, here especially because no one wears a mask int he UK. I have seen like 2 or 3 in this whole time including last week and on my isolated walks this week | 22:06 |
tinwhiskers | but let's say you're a smoker or just one of those annoying people who cough all the time. You might not know you are infected | 22:06 |
dunnp | n95 isnt pointless | 22:06 |
blkshp | I suppose that's a point | 22:07 |
aradesh | seems USA became #1 in confeirmed infections | 22:07 |
Arsanerit | "congratulations" ? | 22:07 |
dunnp | breathing test isn't a thing though | 22:07 |
Arsanerit | how did you get to #1 if you're barely testing? | 22:07 |
blkshp | dunnp: what do you mean/ | 22:07 |
dunnp | you can clear N95s in an oven at 150 for 15 mins | 22:08 |
dunnp | * 158F for 30 mins: https://iheartintelligence.com/stanford-researchers-n95-masks-sterilized-reused-low-temperature-heating/ | 22:08 |
dunnp | blkshp: the deep breath thing isn't a test | 22:08 |
blkshp | the hold it and release? | 22:08 |
bin_bash | Arsanerit: easily. 300,000,000 people and not enough tests, so the disease is ubiquitous at this point places that are testing aggressively are getting high positives | 22:08 |
tinwhiskers | So that's 70C in real units | 22:09 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:04 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump to revise physical distancing guidelines despite experts' warnings: New York governor rails at Congress for lack of aid After surviving Katrina, New Orleans battles Covid-19 Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/GiVdxL | 22:09 |
dunnp | yes blkshp | 22:09 |
blkshp | am i going to have to ask 35 questions for you to tell me why you think it's not a test | 22:09 |
pyna | so italy went from 1k to 3k deaths in a bit under a week | 22:10 |
dunnp | blkshp: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/22/coronavirus-fact-check-your-holding-breath-test-covid-19/2891572001/ | 22:10 |
blkshp | ah Ty :) | 22:11 |
pyna | i think that'll be a bit of a milestone in the us, when it kills more people than 9/11 | 22:11 |
Arsanerit | I hold my breath whenever I walk past a smoker. | 22:11 |
blkshp | I hold my breath whenever im passing anyone at the moment | 22:12 |
tinwhiskers | pyna: yeah, the doubling time for Italy is rising steadily. It's now 8 days | 22:12 |
tinwhiskers | Which is a great sign | 22:12 |
dunnp | number of tests in US has been increasing rapidly | 22:13 |
bin_bash | italy is interesting because their own mandate doesn't have enough space between people | 22:13 |
bin_bash | only 1 meter | 22:13 |
jiffe | so I've read contradicting information on climate affects on viruses, some say that a humid environment is good because it provides shelter for virii while others say it is bad because humid air is heavier and tends to fall | 22:13 |
dunnp | california has done almost 100k | 22:13 |
tinwhiskers | the US, on the other hand is 2.9 days, so expect another 80,000 in the next 3-4 days! | 22:13 |
pyna | yeah i we haven't hit 3k by next thursday that would be nice. but i don't have a good feeling about this | 22:13 |
jiffe | I think the former has more credibility though no? | 22:13 |
bin_bash | california is just 1 state dunnp and it has like 40 million residents | 22:13 |
bin_bash | so 100k is measly. | 22:13 |
Arsanerit | did JoeLlama mean to quit with that message? | 22:13 |
tinwhiskers | that's a pretty damn sobering number. 80,000 new infected in 3-4 days. Ouch! | 22:13 |
COVID-19Hangouts | tinwhiskers "So that's 70C in real units" Hey, there's only 2 types of countries, those that use Celsius, and those that have been to the moon. | 22:14 |
pyna | lol | 22:14 |
bin_bash | LOL | 22:14 |
dunnp | til belize has been to the moon ;) | 22:15 |
tinwhiskers | hrm. So belize has been to the moon? | 22:15 |
bin_bash | did you just google "who uses fahrenheit" to argue against the joke | 22:16 |
tinwhiskers | ancient units for has-been countries | 22:16 |
pyna | it's been to "a" moon! | 22:16 |
bin_bash | iir bahamas do as well but not sure about other countries | 22:16 |
Arsanerit | US, SU, Japan, ESA, China, India, Israel have all had probes to the moon | 22:16 |
bin_bash | Arsanerit: we're talking about people on the moon | 22:16 |
jiffe | been to as in put boots on? | 22:16 |
COVID-19Hangouts | For real though, USA still using Fahrenheit is pants-on-head stupid | 22:16 |
bin_bash | Arsanerit: and india actually hasn't landed a probe on the moon. | 22:17 |
Arsanerit | lithobraked | 22:17 |
tinwhiskers | Arsanerit++ | 22:17 |
bin_bash | nah fahrenheit makes complete sense for daily vernacular when talking about human-comfortable temperatures | 22:17 |
tinwhiskers | no, it doesn't | 22:17 |
bin_bash | "man it's so hot out, it's 30" | 22:17 |
AimHere | The guys who actually did go to the moon used Kelvin, which is pretty much Celsius with the zero moved for science purposes | 22:17 |
jiffe | yes it does | 22:17 |
tinwhiskers | it just seems that way to you | 22:17 |
jiffe | that's kind of what its based on | 22:17 |
bin_bash | sounds gay compared to "man it's so hot, it's 95" | 22:17 |
Arsanerit | of all the American unit oddities Fahrenheit is he least bad one | 22:17 |
dunnp | of course bin_bash | 22:17 |
Arsanerit | gay is good | 22:17 |
pyna | the only NONUSA measuring scheme i really can't get behind is DD/MM/YY | 22:18 |
tinwhiskers | and when it's freezing, it's.... who the hell knows | 22:18 |
AimHere | pyna, DD/MM/YY is better than MM/DD/YY but not as good as YY/MM/DD | 22:18 |
Arsanerit | pyna: Many European countries use stupid address notations too | 22:18 |
bin_bash | if it's 0 it's really cold. if it's 110 it's really hot | 22:18 |
Arsanerit | yyyy-mm-dd is the only correct date notation (ISO 8601) | 22:18 |
bin_bash | p.simple | 22:18 |
COVID-19Hangouts | RFC 3339 yall, YYYYMMDD | 22:18 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 22:18 |
pyna | you can't sort ddmmyy | 22:18 |
AimHere | Arsanerit, definitely | 22:18 |
pyna | or you can, but it's a stupid sort | 22:18 |
AimHere | pyna, the US version is worse though | 22:18 |
Arsanerit | COVID-19Hangouts: the hyphen makes it a bit more human readable imho | 22:18 |
tinwhiskers | Yeah, I tend to use yyyy-mm-dd | 22:19 |
Arsanerit | Netherlands, Germany, Sweden write addresses as "street, number, postal code, city". That's as stupid as American date notations. | 22:19 |
pyna | it's better than dd | 22:19 |
AimHere | Hyphen is better than slashes since you can use it in filenames | 22:19 |
COVID-19Hangouts | Arsanerit I don't disagree at all | 22:19 |
Arsanerit | AimHere: I use / in filenames, I sort my plots in "plots/year/month/day", one day per directory :-) | 22:20 |
pyna | badum | 22:20 |
Arsanerit | with year-month-day I'd end up with thousands of directories in a single subdirectory, eventually | 22:20 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +359 cases (now 527194), +16 deaths (now 23760) πΈ Ireland: +255 cases (now 1819), +10 deaths (now 19) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94), +2 deaths (now 4) πΉ Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 501) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πΉ Angola: +1 cases (now 4) πΉ Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) πΉ Arkansas, US: +25 cases (now 335) [... want %more?] | 22:21 |
oriba | βPeople Are Dyingβ: Battling Coronavirus Inside a N.Y.C. Hospital | NYT News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE68xVXf8Kw | 22:23 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 21:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ecco il vostro Recap per il 26 marzo β from r/WorldNews at 21:26: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/PFhDFa | 22:28 |
metreo | %data USA | 22:32 |
Brainstorm | metreo: In Alabama, US, there are 501 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 21:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 22:32 |
metreo | %data Italy | 22:32 |
Brainstorm | metreo: In all areas, Italy, there are 80589 cases, 8215 deaths (10.2% of cases), 10361 recoveries as of March 26, 21:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 22:32 |
metreo | !stats us | 22:32 |
metreo | %stats us | 22:32 |
Brainstorm | metreo: In Alabama, US, there are 501 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 21:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data. | 22:32 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Mike Baker su Twitter: "The U.S. now has more reported coronavirus cases than any other country https://t.co/ZqucXYl6sTβ¦ " β from r/WorldNews at 21:28: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/VRn7f0 | 22:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Mike Baker su Twitter: "The U.S. now has more reported coronavirus cases than any other country https://t.co/ZqucXYl6sTβ¦ " β from r/WorldNews at 21:28: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/VRn7f0 | 22:34 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +202 cases (now 527396), +3 deaths (now 23763) πΉ Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94), +2 deaths (now 4) πΉ Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 501) πΉ Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πΉ Angola: +1 cases (now 4) πΉ Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) πΉ Arkansas, US: +25 cases (now 335) πΉ Austria: +144 cases (now 6847) πΉ Bahrain: +1 cases (now 458) [... want %more?] | 22:36 |
LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 22:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-26 21:36:47) | 22:36 |
LjL | %stats us | 22:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 82178 cases, 1177 deaths (1.4% of cases), 1864 recoveries as of March 26, 21:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:36 |
LjL | better | 22:37 |
the_owls_are_not | So we just took the lead and Trump is currently talking about what a great job they're doing... | 22:38 |
asimov1 | hello anybody from Switzerland? | 22:50 |
nb | %stats indiana | 22:51 |
Brainstorm | nb: In Indiana, US, there are 645 cases, 17 deaths (2.6% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:51 |
asimov1 | %stats Switzerland | 22:51 |
Brainstorm | asimov1: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 11811 cases, 191 deaths (1.6% of cases), 131 recoveries as of March 26, 21:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data. | 22:52 |
asimov1 | CH totally beats Indiana ;) | 22:52 |
dunnp | visted last summer asimov1 :) | 22:53 |
dunnp | so hot | 22:53 |
asimov1 | yes it was pretty hot indeed | 22:54 |
asimov1 | hope that weather comes back and burns out the virus | 22:54 |
asimov1 | it is really crazy, everything just stopped like in a movie o_O | 22:54 |
asimov1 | dunnp where did you visit? | 22:55 |
LjL | i don't hold my hopes too high for temperature making this go away | 22:56 |
asimov1 | LjL maybe at least it flushes people out to the streets ;) | 22:57 |
asimov1 | tbh I am not so sure that isolating everybody instead of high risk groups only was the right choice | 22:57 |
asimov1 | it feels surreal and they already printing money all over the place | 22:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio says at least half a million New Yorkers will be unemployed β from r/WorldNews at 21:53: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/dmVhmz | 22:57 |
asimov1 | not sure about CH yet but US, EU ... | 22:58 |
asimov1 | first thing they do is print money | 22:58 |
LjL | it feel surreal because nothing like this had happened in a lifetime, unless you're 110 or so | 22:58 |
asimov1 | LjL that is also true, did they print money in 1918 as well? | 22:59 |
iz | so USA is #1 now? | 23:00 |
dunnp | asimov1: nothing wrong with printing money though | 23:00 |
AimHere | asimov1, they didn't do anything. 50 million people died | 23:00 |
dunnp | US needed some inflation | 23:00 |
LjL | asimov1, well after 1918 germany went in a hyperinflation | 23:00 |
LjL | so yeah i assume something like that was involved | 23:00 |
asimov1 | dunnp well yea if you have spent everything good for you i have been living like an animal for 10 years now | 23:01 |
asimov1 | to save some money | 23:01 |
dunnp | and everything is in cash? | 23:01 |
asimov1 | now they will tell me it is worth half or sth and i need to work 10 more years to buy anything | 23:01 |
asimov1 | yep, it is cash indeed | 23:01 |
dunnp | well thats just dumb | 23:02 |
asimov1 | what would you buy here | 23:02 |
asimov1 | every real estate is so expensive | 23:02 |
dunnp | stocks/bonds | 23:02 |
asimov1 | oh yea stocks bonds will sure go up now | 23:02 |
dunnp | have to diversify | 23:03 |
AimHere | That means they're sure to go down in a time like this | 23:03 |
dunnp | not is a great time to buy stocks.. | 23:03 |
asimov1 | every event, good or bad, rich get richer, poor get poorer and government usurps more power | 23:03 |
dunnp | now* | 23:03 |
asimov1 | it is all just so predictable | 23:03 |
dunnp | everything is on sale | 23:03 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:59 UTC: (news): Retailers shift production to make masks, gowns for health-care workers in coronavirus pandemic β from r/WorldNews at 21:59: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/7xOWZd | 23:04 |
dunnp | buy some airlines | 23:04 |
AimHere | asimov1, not necessarily true. After World War 2, the balance of power went towards more even wealth distribution and a more democratic society, at least in the West | 23:04 |
asimov1 | AimHere even wealth distribution among the poor, capitalism for the rich, I get it | 23:05 |
asimov1 | AimHere I am totally a liberal democracy believer, I will buy anything you say | 23:05 |
asimov1 | AimHere also democratic soviety is clearly a very bad thing if a majority can legislate to cut my legs off etc. | 23:06 |
AimHere | asimov1, it's true though. The *current* trends are towards increasing wealth inequality, but there have been moments in history when the reverse is true | 23:07 |
asimov1 | AimHere I would be happy if we were just making the right decisions for our respective people | 23:07 |
asimov1 | AimHere instead of just taking democracy as a value in and of its own | 23:07 |
asimov1 | AimHere decisions, events and wealth matter not democracy, and for sure not representative democracy - that is just a joke | 23:08 |
LjL | lately people take democracy a bit too literally as "majority rule". we've been constitutional democracies, and i see more and more people forgetting that | 23:08 |
LjL | and at some point it just becomes true | 23:08 |
LjL | like now for instance, all these lockdowns are probably unconstitutional everywhere, but we have no reason to care right now | 23:08 |
LjL | later... will we care? | 23:09 |
asimov1 | LjL clearly not | 23:09 |
fructose | https://i.imgur.com/jNazsNB.jpg | 23:09 |
fructose | LjL: In your face, Italy | 23:09 |
asimov1 | LjL government will get a stronger grasp on us than ever before | 23:09 |
LjL | fructose, as always | 23:09 |
fructose | LjL: We even gave you a head start | 23:10 |
asimov1 | LjL I would be happier to get that corona already than give them more power | 23:10 |
LjL | fructose, sure, same as pizza, we made it first, but you put pineapple on it | 23:10 |
fructose | LjL: That was Canada | 23:10 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 22:00 UTC: Clap for Carers: UK in 'emotional' tribute to NHS and care workers: The Royal Family joined people around the country to salute healthcare workers battling the coronavirus outbreak. β from r/WorldNews at 22:00: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/9awZtE | 23:10 |
LjL | fructose, meaning that isn't practically just the northern states of the US? | 23:10 |
fructose | Nah, we're Canada's Mexico | 23:11 |
LjL | asimov1, i would rather give them more power than likely seeing my parents die from it | 23:11 |
LjL | but i understand difference in priorities | 23:11 |
asimov1 | LjL your parents will die soon enough anyway but all the generations from now on will have to live in increased slavery | 23:12 |
asimov1 | LjL we have become childless pathetic people I have the impression | 23:12 |
asimov1 | LjL thinking about ourselves or our parents instead of our nonexistent children | 23:12 |
asimov1 | LjL it is just sick | 23:13 |
LjL | parents in the 20th century repeatedly sent their children off to die | 23:13 |
LjL | i feel that was a little sick too | 23:13 |
asimov1 | LjL boomers were sending their children to die | 23:14 |
asimov1 | LjL that much I know, not too sure earlier | 23:14 |
asimov1 | LjL but know that boomers did that to secure their retirement plans, "the Economy" and the well-being of Israel | 23:15 |
asimov1 | LjL worthy causes to throw your children to death and slavery | 23:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio says at least half a million New Yorkers will be unemployed β from r/WorldNews at 22:12: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/dmVhmz | 23:16 |
asimov1 | LjL I think as long as boomers demographics drop it is a good thing for the entire world | 23:16 |
AimHere | Whereas the worthy cause to let your parents gurgle to death on the floor of a hospital corridor is 'The economy' and 'My inheritance' and 'Not being able to stay away from the pub for six weeks' | 23:17 |
AimHere | Truly the modern world is turning us into sociopaths | 23:17 |
aradesh | it's easy to blame the boomers. maybe they made bad choices at times, but now you're the generation in charge. what are you going to do to make sure you don't leave the same mess to your children and grand children? the old generation are now retired, if there's a mess and you haven't fixed it, then what are you doing? get working. | 23:17 |
asimov1 | AimHere I just don't want them to print money and pump inflation that is just sick | 23:17 |
AimHere | asimov1, inflation is not the economic problem at the moment. Deflation is. | 23:17 |
asimov1 | AimHere stop the economy all you want just stop printing | 23:17 |
aeth | Blaming all of the world's problems on a generation of people, as if the generation did it as some hivemind unit, is the strangest thing I've seen on the internet. And I've seen things. | 23:18 |
asimov1 | AimHere God bless deflation | 23:18 |
asimov1 | aeth proteins do not have a hivemind and yet they execute your entire life literally | 23:18 |
asimov1 | aeth I am not saying they did that on purpose but for whatever reason the genetic makeup + environment + propaganda made those people act in such unison in destroying the entire world | 23:19 |
aeth | asimov1: The same incentive structures will exist no matter the age of the people making the decisions. | 23:19 |
fltrz | AimHere, I don't mind them printing more money, as long as it is distributed directly and equally among the population... | 23:19 |
AimHere | I think there's a lot of agreement that there is a selfish element to the way boomers are acting as a voting bloc | 23:19 |
bin_bash | spoiler: animals are selfish (humans are animals) | 23:20 |
AimHere | I'm not sure that letting millions of them die for the sake of a few weeks home confinement is the proportionate response though | 23:20 |
asimov1 | fltrz or that | 23:20 |
aeth | AimHere: And if you were part of the largest voting bloc, then all of the propaganda and pandering would be to you instead and nothing of substance would change. | 23:20 |
asimov1 | fltrz or just give us basic income forever already | 23:20 |
fltrz | AimHere, right agreed, if they deserve something then that should happen through the legal system, not by some random calamity | 23:21 |
aeth | AimHere: It's like watching a channel aimed at a different demographic and of course none of the commercials work on you. You're not the target audience. But marketing works in general. | 23:21 |
fltrz | asimov1, you know what happens if everyone gets basic income? | 23:21 |
asimov1 | AimHere low IQ, low education, low character boomers own all the power | 23:21 |
BruntLIVE | we are being exterminated as a species | 23:21 |
AimHere | aeth, yeah, Politics is very broken. Occasional calamities - like the world wars, or the great depression, or probably this pandemic, tend to fix things a bit | 23:21 |
aeth | tends to buy a few decades, yes | 23:22 |
asimov1 | AimHere old pricks who have been for decades in business with the worst filth criminals | 23:22 |
aradesh | asimov1: this isn't really the right channel for this topic. how about ##truth? | 23:22 |
asimov1 | AimHere should be kicked out of politics along with their kids | 23:22 |
LjL | AimHere, to be fair although i mostly share your point of view it isn't likely to be "a few weeks" | 23:22 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +2452 cases (now 529848), +230 deaths (now 23993), +35 recoveries (now 123364) πΈ US: +434 cases (now 82612), +7 deaths (now 1184) πΈ Spain: +1439 cases (now 57786), +211 deaths (now 4365) πΈ Germany: +292 cases (now 43938), +5 deaths (now 267) πΈ Colorado, US: +344 cases (now 1430), +5 deaths (now 24) πΉ Australia: +179 cases (now 2985) [... want %more?] | 23:22 |
asimov1 | aradesh I think it is a pretty good channel to wish Corona happy harvest on the boomers | 23:22 |
LjL | asimov1, you're taking it a tad too far | 23:23 |
LjL | i am known for being annoyed at people who disagree with me, but also, people who bluntly wish others death | 23:23 |
LjL | and just your luck, you are doing both | 23:23 |
aradesh | asimov1: the very people you purport to hate, those who you purport to be aiming to destroy your life, are the same ones who want to 'divide and conquer'. they want to break down your families, right? well they're working. they've turned you against your own parents generation. | 23:23 |
aradesh | we should all stick together | 23:24 |
aeth | asimov1: As I said, the reason the Boomers act stupidly in their voting is because they actually vote (unlike your age range) so all of the pandering is done to them. If a different bloc is the largest one, of fucking course the propaganda shifts to that bloc and then that bloc starts acting stupidly, and nothing of substance changes. So the net effect is millions die and nothing politically changes. | 23:24 |
asimov1 | aradesh I don't hate anybody I just wish what is best for my people | 23:24 |
LjL | aradesh, i think these are very fair topics for here because this virus, as we can see, is very deeply connected to current politics and likely a turning point | 23:24 |
aradesh | that isn't achieved by turning against our ancestors | 23:24 |
LjL | what i don't want to see is death wishes | 23:24 |
asimov1 | aradesh and in this case the best is to move the greedy, selfish, uneducated, low iq pricks away from power ... one way or another | 23:24 |
bin_bash | hating boomers is soooo passe | 23:25 |
Biep[m] | <Scarecr0w "What kinda hospital does that? I"> Sounds typically communist-Chinese. | 23:25 |
aeth | asimov1: If you think that greedy, selfish, incredibly-well-educated (not uneducated), probably-above-median IQ (not low IQ) pricks are going to lose power because of a pandemic, you're very mistaken. | 23:26 |
aradesh | it's quite a pathehtic stance to be blaming historic events out of your control, wishing someone in the past had solved the world's woes on your behalf. | 23:26 |
aradesh | you call them lazy | 23:26 |
asimov1 | aradesh you get a ball or prison for life for trying to solve anything in the US | 23:27 |
asimov1 | aradesh or if you are lucky you just get your life destroyed by accusations of some sort of extremism | 23:27 |
aradesh | then be more imaginative, be cleverer, work harder. | 23:27 |
asimov1 | aradesh sounds exactly like what the slave owners would like us to do... work harder | 23:28 |
bin_bash | asimov1: if u hate it so much then try venezuela | 23:28 |
fructose | aradesh: Many of the world's problems have been quite foreseeable and really should have been solved by people already. It's of course stupid to attribute that to people based on age. | 23:28 |
aradesh | asimov1: ok. then don't do anything, just complain on the internet. | 23:29 |
LjL | yes, join the club | 23:29 |
asimov1 | aradesh I want to be productive | 23:29 |
asimov1 | aradesh and decide on some actionables here with you | 23:29 |
xrogaan | asimov1: a disease doesn't care about your IQ, your age or political leaning. | 23:29 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 22:23 UTC: Clap for Carers: UK in 'emotional' tribute to NHS and care workers: The Royal Family joined people around the UK to salute healthcare workers battling the virus outbreak. β from r/WorldNews at 22:23: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/9awZtE | 23:29 |
aradesh | if you want to improve the world, a good place to start is by starting a family, and bringing them up well. | 23:29 |
asimov1 | aradesh what should be our next step to move away boomers and the establishment from power | 23:29 |
aradesh | then you'll have more people who want to help the world. | 23:29 |
asimov1 | aradesh and reestablish the constitutional democracy | 23:30 |
aradesh | i.e, your children | 23:30 |
asimov1 | aradesh where I leave you cannot homeschool kids just like that, the propaganda ride is obligatory | 23:30 |
asimov1 | *live | 23:30 |
bin_bash | where do you live asimov1 | 23:30 |
asimov1 | bin_bash Switzerland | 23:30 |
bin_bash | then why are you complaining about the US | 23:30 |
asimov1 | bin_bash because US pretty much decides what happens in Europe | 23:31 |
aeth | asimov1: The establishment won't lose power even if every Boomer disappeared in a magical Thanos snap next minute. Well, I mean, except the Boomers who are in the establishment, so let's say Thanos excludes them. They'll just shift their pandering and propaganda to stay in power because their job is literally to stay in power. | 23:31 |
asimov1 | bin_bash has been for decades, Europe is basically US's bitch | 23:31 |
LjL | not after this i don't think so | 23:31 |
xrogaan | Switzerland is probably the most democratic place around! | 23:31 |
bin_bash | yeah the world is our bitch | 23:31 |
asimov1 | xrogaan appearances | 23:32 |
LjL | i want everybody who thinks their tone is a bit too out there to bring it a bit more in here | 23:32 |
aradesh | asimov1: well... you could probably move not very far to a country that does allow it | 23:32 |
asimov1 | xrogaan TV decides how people vote and they vote how Markel orders | 23:32 |
prometheus | bin_bash: not for much more | 23:32 |
asimov1 | xrogaan yes I know.. why Frau Merkel you would ask | 23:32 |
asimov1 | xrogaan I was shocked as well lol | 23:32 |
asimov1 | xrogaan but indeed this is the case, the European Union just every single time | 23:33 |
asimov1 | xrogaan menaces that they will cut off our land borders | 23:33 |
bin_bash | prometheus: 50/50 it goes 1 of 2 ways: we end up better off than we were, or we end up about the same as we were if/when this blows over. | 23:33 |
asimov1 | xrogaan and we just do absolutely everything they say, like... everything | 23:33 |
LjL | aradesh, right now we aren't moving anywhere, and i wouldn't take it for granted that it will go back to being very easy... at least if a good vaccine isn't found pretty sure, but even if it is, i'm still not sure | 23:33 |
bin_bash | net exporter of food | 23:33 |
bin_bash | net exporter of energy | 23:33 |
bin_bash | we'll be fine lol | 23:33 |
aradesh | LjL: well he might get a chance within a few years :P | 23:33 |
aradesh | LjL: well actually, there's not a serious problem there if his issue is home schooling. the schools are closed anyway | 23:34 |
aradesh | so either the pandemic lifts and schools reopen, in which case he can move | 23:34 |
aradesh | or schools are shut, and he has no problem | 23:34 |
prometheus | bin_bash: how about China's role in this brave new world? | 23:34 |
asimov1 | aradesh France yes but France is such a shithole lol it is literally a fallen state | 23:35 |
aradesh | asimov1: to be honest i agree with some of your assessments, i just don't really like blaming the older generations. when you were an average westerner in the 50's and 60's, you had your information fed to you by the TV... and very few people actually had any other option to find things out | 23:35 |
asimov1 | aradesh weak and incompetent president Macron just keeps beating the citizens in the streats for 1.5 years now | 23:35 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +507 cases (now 530355), +14 deaths (now 24007) πΈ Washington, US: +393 cases (now 2981), +13 deaths (now 145) πΈ US: +404 cases (now 83016), +13 deaths (now 1197) πΉ Antigua and Barbuda: +4 cases (now 7) πΉ Argentina: +1 deaths (now 9) πΉ Australia: +185 cases (now 2991) πΉ Bahamas: +4 cases (now 9) πΉ Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 191) [... want %more?] | 23:35 |
asimov1 | aradesh that is true but since they knew sh* and now also know sh* the average voter boomer should just stfu | 23:36 |
bin_bash | prometheus: we'll see how things keep going | 23:36 |
LjL | %cases us | 23:36 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 83016 cases, 1197 deaths (1.4% of cases), 1864 recoveries as of March 26, 22:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 23:36 |
bin_bash | they're certainly not getting anymore popular and the people are getting more angry so we'll see | 23:36 |
aradesh | asimov1: even if you got rid of all old people in politics, you'd just have loads of macrons | 23:36 |
LjL | hey look | 23:36 |
LjL | "shit" is a word | 23:36 |
bin_bash | and AOC :puke: | 23:36 |
xrogaan | geopolitics, mkay? | 23:36 |
asimov1 | aradesh might be true but we need not to be so defetist, need to think constructively | 23:37 |
LjL | if you think you're a bit over the top, don't say it, and don't say other things in a way that is aggressive | 23:37 |
asimov1 | aradesh again what are our actionables | 23:37 |
LjL | if you don't, then just say it, "shit", here, easy | 23:37 |
asimov1 | aradesh just producing the next generation of slaves doesn't seem optimal... at all | 23:37 |
darcyc[m] | Maybe not now | 23:37 |
aradesh | producing the next generation is always important. | 23:38 |
aradesh | regardless of anything else | 23:38 |
aradesh | producing them, and bringing them up well* | 23:38 |
darcyc[m] | Perhaps | 23:38 |
asimov1 | aradesh that is actually false because concentrating wealth and actually becoming a minority | 23:38 |
aradesh | otherwise, you could get into politics | 23:38 |
darcyc[m] | But in this situation producing new generation | 23:38 |
asimov1 | aradesh counterintuitively gives you more power in the modern PC world | 23:38 |
asimov1 | aradesh well onkly that minority part is conterintuitive | 23:39 |
aradesh | china is pretty powerful | 23:39 |
darcyc[m] | They will need to deal with all the Fucking problems around | 23:39 |
bin_bash | prometheus: https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB11EGDk.img?h=624&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f | 23:39 |
asimov1 | aradesh you cannot discriminate against the majority according to leftists pretty much, so being in majority is the worst shit that can happen to you | 23:39 |
aradesh | asimov1: they don't seem to apply that logic to south africa | 23:40 |
aradesh | there it's perfectly ok to discriminate againts a minority | 23:40 |
darcyc[m] | Not true | 23:40 |
darcyc[m] | Not true | 23:40 |
asimov1 | aradesh well one thing you should keep in mind that leftists actually do not use logic | 23:40 |
prometheus | bin_bash: of course you're better in that aspect. They have to feed 1.4 billion people. | 23:41 |
LjL | i said politics was fine before, and in general i'd say it is, as long as it's related to covid | 23:41 |
asimov1 | aradesh they will just say and do whatever is necessary to get power and rid of straight white males | 23:41 |
aradesh | yup | 23:41 |
LjL | i think it's going a bit too far now and with tones that are a bit too strong | 23:41 |
LjL | i would like you all to drop the subject for now | 23:41 |
aradesh | yeah ##truth is better for discussion on fixing the planet | 23:41 |
aradesh | :P | 23:41 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:35 UTC: Coronavirus US live: US now has more cases than any other country: US now has 82,404 confirmed cases, according to tracker New York governor rails at Congress for lack of aid After surviving Katrina, New Orleans battles Covid-19 Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β https://is.gd/GiVdxL | 23:41 |
asimov1 | we could always put the situation in south africa in the context of the corona | 23:41 |
asimov1 | will it change thanks to covid | 23:42 |
LjL | no, just drop the politics for now | 23:42 |
asimov1 | will the majority get disproportioately more infected | 23:42 |
asimov1 | and ... decrease a tiny bit? | 23:42 |
asimov1 | hehe | 23:42 |
asimov1 | LjL are you some kind of mod here? | 23:42 |
LjL | i guess opping up wasn't a clue | 23:42 |
LjL | bingo, you guessed it | 23:42 |
LjL | mhm | 23:43 |
darcyc[m] | :) | 23:43 |
aradesh | that sort of conversation is normal in ##truth that's why i suggested he go there | 23:43 |
aradesh | oh dear | 23:44 |
LjL | asi2, evading bans is against freenode policy | 23:44 |
bin_bash | prometheus: that chart is per capita net import/export | 23:44 |
prometheus | bin_bash: How about your efficiency in containing the virus? They seem to be very effective and they have a disciplined population unlike us (Europeans) and you. | 23:46 |
bin_bash | well the reality is we don't actually know how effective they are since we cant really trust the information coming out | 23:46 |
bin_bash | so time will tell really | 23:47 |
bin_bash | it'll really depend on who ends up dying | 23:47 |
bin_bash | we'll see in 6 months | 23:47 |
asi2 | d | 23:48 |
bin_bash | i definitely think more people will die here because muh freedumbs and unfortunately it won't entirely be social darwinism, as innocents like delivery personnel, doctors, etc will perish due to the shortages | 23:48 |
asi2 | do you guys drink fishtank water to get rid of the virus? | 23:48 |
prometheus | bin_bash: partially true since you're implying that the measures we're taking now may be totally useless | 23:49 |
bin_bash | but i think overall we're much better equipped to handle this with regards to resource independence | 23:49 |
prometheus | bin_bash: what I'm saying is that they're better in taking and implementing measures | 23:49 |
bin_bash | theyre better at abusing their citizens into cooperation, sure | 23:50 |
prometheus | bin_bash: and they also provide with supplies several other countries, this will pay off later for sure | 23:50 |
bin_bash | yeah supplies they stole from australia | 23:50 |
bin_bash | and it's obvious that the only reasont theyre helping other countries is because they want to be seen as the heroes in this, rather than the perpetrators | 23:51 |
prometheus | yeah true, I'm not saying they're good. Nobody is. I'm saying that they're effective and what they're doing. | 23:52 |
Brainstorm | πΈ World: +272 cases (now 530627), +6 deaths (now 24013), +2 recoveries (now 123366) πΉ Alabama, US: +16 cases (now 517) πΉ Antigua and Barbuda: +4 cases (now 7) πΉ Argentina: +1 deaths (now 9) πΉ Australia: +185 cases (now 2991) πΉ Austria: +51 cases (now 6898) πΉ Bahamas: +4 cases (now 9) πΉ Bermuda: +8 cases (now 15) [... want %more?] | 23:52 |
bin_bash | prometheus: maybe they are, maybe theyre not idk time will tell. i hope they are actually making progress on things | 23:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:51 UTC: US now has more coronavirus cases than either China or Italy: Major outbreaks in so-called hot spots such as New York threaten to overwhelm the local hospital systems, which have a limited number of beds, staff and equipment. β from r/WorldNews at 22:51: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β https://is.gd/nwwHTB | 23:54 |
prometheus | bin_bash: I hope everybody is making progress. But we should realize that the world will be different after this (if there is an "after"). | 23:55 |
bin_bash | oh yeah for sure | 23:55 |
bin_bash | i feel bad for people who are due to give birth soon | 23:55 |
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