libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2020-03-26

BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +531 cases (now 468070), +11 deaths (now 21179), +1 recoveries (now 113815) πŸ”Έ US: +220 cases (now 65644), +3 deaths (now 931), +1 recoveries (now 394) πŸ”Έ Australia: +245 cases (now 2676), +2 deaths (now 11) πŸ”Ή Belize: +1 cases (now 2) πŸ”Ή Bermuda: +1 cases (now 7) πŸ”Ή Bosnia and Herzegovina: +3 cases (now 176) [... want %more?]00:05
oribaantibiotic resistance as the key to italy's high daeath rates?  -> https://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=400:14
oribaLjL: antibiotic resistance as the key to italy's high daeath rates?  -> https://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=400:15
oribahttps://www.sepsis-stiftung.eu/blog/coronavirus-und-sepsis/00:16
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:10 UTC: A-League: Wellington Phoenix player sorry for golf buggy joy ride while in quarantine β€” from WHO at 23:10: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/QNKQT600:18
LjLoriba: I was unpleasantly surprised when I learned we were so bad with that, but I guess we'd have to look at specific causes of deaths beyond covid itself to see if antibiotics played a role00:18
oribasepsis is mentioned in the german article as possible problem... and when antibiotics don't work at that point ... bad00:20
LjLYeah, but we would have to look at individual files to look for either sepsis or antibiotic use00:21
ryoumaonce again, my broken irc log does not show who named me (somebody pinged or named me in this channel) while i was afk00:23
mefistofelesryouma: 02:21:11 < ryouma> governments could hire immune to deliver00:23
mefistofeles02:30:29 < adventurer> ryouma, good idea00:23
mefistofeles03:16:14 < MrtnDk[m]> <ryouma "governments could hire immune to"> You cannot be immune to a mutating virus.00:23
mefistofeles12:04:29 [ bin_bash        ] [ emanllufruoy[m] ] [ Justin[m]       ] [ mrsbjm[m]       ] [ ryouma          ] [ tristanstoeber[m] 00:23
mefistofelesoh, nbm that last one, that's mine :P00:24
mefistofelesnvm*00:24
adventurerhuh?00:24
ryoumamefistofeles: thank you!  that is a relief to know what i missed, assuming that was the last one00:24
adventureroh00:25
ryouma(i would use a bouncer but i never did figure out znc config)00:25
mefistofelesYou know, I just hilighted a lot of people there... propagating the issue00:25
mefistofelesxD00:25
adventurerexpert on the radio says it mutates slower than the flu and so I think therefore could be immune to it or get a vaccine00:25
adventurertaht would be good for at least some time00:26
adventureri am not expert just guessing00:26
mefistofelesadventurer: yes, that's what it seems to be00:26
dunnpagreed00:26
oribatinwhiskers: JHU-repo is from 4st of feb. and it has now 844 open and 446 closed issues -> 1250 issues in less than 2 months... 00:27
tinwhiskers:-/00:27
oribaHeheh  it's somehow funny.... (if you don't rely on the data)00:27
oribadid your hair turned gray ?00:28
adventureralso experts could be wrong or two experts could disagree or things could change00:28
adventurerwho knows00:28
adventurerbut i am hopefully now there would be a finger prick00:28
adventurerif i have antibodies i will be relieved to be able to go out and work without worrying about getting sick or unknowingly spreading it to others if i was an asymptomatic spreader00:29
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Shimon Prokupecz su Twitter: "Calls over a loudspeaker of β€œTeam 700,” the code for when a patient is on the verge of death, come several times a shift. Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed. https://t.co/uZV61ze8DW" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/lntx7Y00:30
oribatinwhiskers: ISO-date??? https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/issues/155300:34
Albrighthttps://preview.redd.it/arllyevpcvo41.jpg00:34
mefistofelesok, submitted a job to the supercomputer, time for sleep00:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 23:33 UTC: (news): New York hospitals battle coronavirus as hundreds of patients flood in: 'We must not break' β€” from WHO at 23:33: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/XFmBph00:36
LjLWe can't burn bodies at enough of a speed to keep up with the coffins coming. Who was it again that was saying this is a bad cold?00:36
LjLBecause I'd like to tell them they have a real need to reboot their brain00:37
adventurerwhere are you LjL 00:39
adventureroh dear00:39
LjLLombardy00:39
adventureroh dear00:39
adventurerThat is maybe the worst hit place00:39
adventurerI have heard00:39
euod[m]LjL: the issue will be body bags.00:40
LjLYou van safely remove the maybe, although I'd look at NYC and Madrid in the coming days00:40
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +245 cases (now 468315), +3 deaths (now 21182), +1 recoveries (now 113816) πŸ”Ή Brazil: +121 cases (now 2554), +2 deaths (now 59) πŸ”Ή Jamaica: +1 cases (now 26) πŸ”Ή Panama: +115 cases (now 558), +1 recoveries (now 2) πŸ”Ή Trinidad and Tobago: +1 deaths (now 1) πŸ”Ή US: +8 cases (now 65652)00:40
euod[m]I rather morbidly was trying to estimate the crematorium capacity of the US recently.00:41
euod[m]it’s fairly low.00:41
oribaLjL: it's just a fake news, some politicians said... I think about the same people now blame china today... for telling lies.00:43
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global death toll passes 20,000, as Spain overtakes China as second worst-hit country β€” from WHO at 23:40: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/rPYz4u00:49
tang3nt_man[m]!data UK00:58
LjLoriba, what is fake news?00:59
LjLsecond worst hit country?01:00
LjL%cases spain01:00
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 49515 cases, 3647 deaths (7.4% of cases), 5367 recoveries as of March 25, 23:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data.01:00
LjL%cases italy01:00
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 25, 23:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.01:00
LjLi'm slightly confused01:00
LjLbut that death rate sure is going up in spain01:00
LjLoh, second before china, with italy first01:01
LjLwe still win01:01
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 23:54: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz01:01
LjLso yeah, again, totally a bad cold, or a flu. meh01:02
bin_basha spanish flu01:02
bin_bashhaha get it01:02
cewsHope you're managing ok01:02
cewsSending everything good wishes.01:02
cewseverything/everyone01:03
cewsLet me retype01:03
LjLi'm alright... as long as the supermarket can still make deliveries01:04
LjLand also, until i'm not, i guess01:04
LjLbut Spain and US look to be headed to overtaking Italy in a not very good way01:04
LjLthat thing about antibiotic resistence...01:04
bin_bashit's a virus not a bacteria01:05
bin_bashwhere did you see anything about antibiotics01:05
dunnpNYC is going to be a disaster I think01:05
bin_bashit'll end up ok in the end01:05
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +303 cases (now 468618), +11 deaths (now 21193), +2 recoveries (now 113818) πŸ”Έ Quebec, Canada: +329 cases (now 1342), +2 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Έ New South Wales, Australia: +211 cases (now 1029) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πŸ”Ή Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πŸ”Ή Queensland, Australia: +46 cases (now 443) πŸ”Ή Tasmania, Australia: +8 cases (now 36) [... want %more?]01:05
bin_bashfor the survivors i mean01:05
LjLoriba, Italy and Greece are by far the worst (for some reason, not sure if our doctors are just way worse with prescribing too many antibiotics, or what), but spain is actually not that bad at all01:05
LjLand yet their death rate is spiking up now01:05
LjL7.4% is already a lot higher than i'd have hoped to see01:06
LjLbin_bash, that's simplistic, of course it's a virus01:06
LjLmaybe you can scroll up too the same way that i did :P01:06
LjL<oriba> LjL: antibiotic resistance as the key to italy's high daeath rates?  -> https://atlas.ecdc.europa.eu/public/index.aspx?Dataset=27&HealthTopic=401:06
LjL18<24oriba18> https://www.sepsis-stiftung.eu/blog/coronavirus-und-sepsis/01:06
LjL20<LjL>30 Yeah, but we would have to look at individual files to look for either sepsis or antibiotic use01:06
bin_bashi did scroll up, but my scrollback didnt have it01:07
LjLthere are secondary infections, and people can die "with covid", as they say in italy, but for causes that ultimately the health institute attributes differently01:07
LjLbut it's not like they let us see the individual files01:07
LjLso all i can do now is say... spain is bad, yet spain doesn't seem to have much of an antibiotic resistence problem01:08
bin_bashah yeah 01:08
LjLas to greece, they have too few cases to say anything for now i guess01:08
bin_bashif you end up with sepsis as a secondary or cdiff or mrsa or any other easy-to-spread bacterial infections that love to run rampant in hospitals, well you're fucked01:08
darsieI wish https://offloop.net/covid19 had cases/100,000 ppl for better comparison between countries.01:08
LjLand hospitals in lombardy now are way more crowded than they are usually, so those things can spread more easily01:09
bin_bashLjL: also i misread your comment at first. i thought it said "that's the thing about antibiotic resistence"01:09
darsieOr /1,000,000 ppl01:09
LjLdarsie, it may come, tinwhiskers couldn't find a good source of population figures that included also US states etc... but i think now he's busier with playing catchup with JHU01:09
darsieJHU?01:10
bin_bashjohns hopkins universoity01:10
LjLbin_bash, ah, no, i had only realized that spain could be a counterexample01:10
LjLdarsie, it's the source of the data most everyone uses01:10
LjLbut they really like to change everything all the time, and now they seem to have dropped US states01:10
bin_bashyeah 01:10
LjL18<25Brainstorm18> New from r/WorldNews at 21:06 UTC: worldnews: Snowden warns: The surveillance states and use of high-tech surveillance measures to combat the coronavirus outbreak will outlast the virus β†’ https://is.gd/yLEKS101:13
LjLi mean, he's not wrong. but can anyone really think about that right now?01:13
LjLit's the perfect storm in more than one way, for sure01:13
LjLalso my bot should be set up to post these things here directly, but instead it does not01:14
fructosehttps://i.imgur.com/KZFlzkX.png01:14
oribacalculate the risk of getting covid19: http://koronagrafy.techbrick.cz/en/index.html01:15
oribalooks nixe.01:15
oribas/nixe/nice/g01:15
Brainstormoriba meant to say: looks nice.01:15
oribabut: likelyhood above 1 looks a bit strange, hehe01:16
oribaah, no it's in %01:16
oribaand 100 is maximum01:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global death toll passes 20,000, as Spain overtakes China as second worst-hit country β€” from WHO at 00:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/rPYz4u01:19
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than China’s; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β€” from WHO at 00:23: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9701:32
LjLfructose, from your graph it would seem like what italy is doing is actually working. but i remember those graphs even from a fair amount of time ago showed italy being "promising" in terms of doubling time01:34
LjLoriba, kinda nice, but as it admittedly says, it doesn't make much sense to calculate individual probability. apart from the fact that i have no idea how many people i meet when i go out, selecting Italy will give me a certain probability, but if the site knew i am in Lombardy and had data for Lombardy, it'd give an entirely different number01:37
LjLcountry borders don't even mean much anymore, since everyone is under lockdown so "everything" is a border01:37
LjLi must admit i had something else in mind when i thought of the phrase "abolishing borders", but01:37
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +164 cases (now 468782), +6 deaths (now 21199), +406 recoveries (now 114224) πŸ”Έ China: +67 cases (now 81285), +6 deaths (now 3287), +401 recoveries (now 74051) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πŸ”Ή Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πŸ”Ή New Zealand: +78 cases (now 283), +5 recoveries (now 27) πŸ”Ή US: +19 cases (now 65797)01:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 00:38: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz01:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β€” from WHO at 00:43: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv01:57
fructoseLjL: It's far from fool-proof. A lack of testing will make it look like a country is doing well, for example01:57
LjLfructose, i have a feeling something could be inferred out of how many tests we're doing and how many of those are positive, but i'm not entirely sure *what* could be inferred01:57
LjLjust back-of-my-head feeling "that's known data to be used there somehow, find an equation to put it in"01:58
LjL%title https://blog.archive.org/2020/03/24/announcing-a-national-emergency-library-to-provide-digitized-books-to-students-and-the-public/02:00
BrainstormLjL: From blog.archive.org: Announcing a National Emergency Library to Provide Digitized Books to Students and the Public | Internet Archive Blogs02:00
fructoseLjL: I think you need a lot of context for that, which is not being made available to riffraff like me02:00
LjLfructose, in some cases not even the number of tests is made available in the first place02:00
LjLbut yeah i suppose you'd need to know the exact protocols for selecting whom to test02:01
LjLand then also reason a lot on what they entail02:01
LjLstill. data. unused.02:01
fructoseRight, let alone the test type, lab, patient symptoms, patient travel history, restrictions on testing, etc.02:02
LjLat least i guess i can say if i read "2000 found positive today" and think "whoooo yeah, that's the same as yesterday!" and then i also read "2000 tests performed today", well, whoops.02:02
LjLbut that's not the case *even* in italy, we're finding somewhere between 20% and 25%02:02
LjLfructose, i was thinking that maybe something could be inferred from the *change* in percentage of positive found, but there's no guarantee the protocols for testing patients don't change over time (in fact they do)02:03
LjLanyway, today (well yesterday) Italy has tested the most patients in one day since the beginning02:05
LjLi guess that's encouraging in terms of our testing abilities at least02:05
LjLsince in terms of getting patients out of ICU beds alive, we're not being great02:06
fructoseLjL: Right, some areas are not testing because they might as well just assume everyone has it and use the tests to locate outbreaks in other areas02:09
LjLfor a value of some_areas == LjL02:10
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +261 cases (now 469043), +2 deaths (now 21201) πŸ”Έ US: +251 cases (now 66048), +2 deaths (now 944) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πŸ”Ή Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πŸ”Ή Bolivia: +6 cases (now 38) πŸ”Ή El Salvador: +4 cases (now 13)02:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 01:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz02:21
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β€” from WHO at 01:24: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv02:27
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 01:24: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz02:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β€” from WHO at 01:35: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv02:40
berndjfor german speakers: i'm finding this very interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc9BhpKfh2E02:42
berndj^ just one theme: some cases develop a throat infection before the virus moves on to the lungs. hypothesis: that this "early" infection gets the immune system going earlier, churning out antibodies by the time the lungs get involved02:44
berndjwhich reminds me of another question i've had: do "mouth-breathers" get hit harder than nose-breathers?02:45
fructoseberndj: My question is if windy weather is more dangerous than calm weather02:46
LjLberndj, there was a hypothesis somewhere that face masks could help because even if you got it anyway (say through your eyes), entrance from the nose could be associated with more risk of central nervous system involvement02:47
LjLnot the same as what you asked, but also related to nose vs not02:47
berndjwait, central nervous system involvement??02:47
LjLberndj, yeah there was certain evidence for that02:47
LjLin some cases02:47
berndjfructose, i'd be interested in that too, since i live in a rather windy city02:48
LjLi can try to find the paper but no guarantees02:48
berndjLjL, i know virus has been found in basically all tissues; does that imply actual *infection* of all tissues?02:48
fructosehttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jmv.2572802:49
LjLberndj, in that case there were symptoms like mental confusion, and also, the hypothesis that part of the respiratory issues were themselves mediated by nerve reactions going haywire02:49
fructoseOne paper02:49
berndjLjL, does initial dose matter?02:49
LjLberndj, who knows02:49
bin_bashhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3216774702:49
Birosso%cases germany02:49
BrainstormBirosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 37323 cases, 206 deaths (0.6% of cases), 3547 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 5.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries).02:49
berndjlike does getting just one viral particle give you 14 more minutes to mount an immune response02:49
LjLberndj, i feel like dose size matters, based on the subjective impression that healthcare workers not only get this a lot, but get this *badly*02:49
LjLberndj, if you just get a tiny amount like that, chances are nothing happens at all02:49
berndjinfection is a kinda statistical process isn't it?02:50
bin_bashhttps://www.cureus.com/articles/29414-neurological-complications-of-coronavirus-disease-covid-19-encephalopathy02:50
berndjlike you CAN in principle get sick from just one viral particle, but you're *unlikely* to?02:50
LjLwell good thing i didn't have to find the paper, my grep finger was already sore02:50
berndjBirosso, i'm still "upset" that it's "das Virus"!02:50
LjLberndj, i guess i would say that, but i'm no virologist02:50
Birossoberndj, why is that upsetting?02:51
berndjBirosso, my whole life i've thought of it as "der Virus"!02:51
ryoumaraccanielo spoke of an inoculation amount.  implying that if you still have a few virions on a package, you would not get sick.  but do not act on my hearsay comment.02:51
LjLBirosso, status update?02:51
ryoumain twiv02:51
Birossoberndj, just go with your gut feeling.02:51
BirossoNothing is more infuriating than "das Maedchen."02:51
BirossoLjL, nothing.02:51
berndjBirosso, that's the thing though - my "sprachgefΓΌhl" is wrong here02:51
LjLdie Birosso ist geinfuriatet02:52
LjLBirosso, tbh i don't even know if Germany is in lockdown02:52
LjLi need a lockdowns map02:52
berndji believe it is02:52
BirossoI'm sitting at home working online, saving money, and practicing the piano when my hands aren't hurting too much. Brushing up my C and MATLAB in preparation for an internship.02:52
BirossoMaybe.02:52
BirossoAt some point.02:52
berndjno groups more than 202:52
BirossoI think the one I applied for is gone.02:52
BirossoI sent an email asking for a status update. I was surprised by how urgent and desperate the tone of the reply was.02:52
BirossoThey're a huge company, but they seem to be in shambles because of this.02:53
berndjLjL, we'll apparently not be allowed to even walk our dogs from tomorrow night :(02:53
BirossoLjL, we're not officially in lockdown, but02:53
Birosso"social distancing."02:53
BirossoFor example, no one is allowed to enter a supermarket without a shopping cart anymore.02:53
BirossoTo control the numbers and create distances between people.02:53
LjLberndj, Birosso: wut, well, get to agree with each other, because not being able to walk your dog is a lockdown02:53
berndjLjL, i thought no more group-formation > 2 is allowed?02:53
BirossoAny queue requires that you leave two meters between you and anyone else around.02:53
berndjLjL, i'm in south africa, not germany (although i am german)02:54
LjLberndj, oh of course you are, sorry02:54
BirossoI think Berlin might get a lockdown soon.02:54
bin_bashi dont want to touch a nasty shopping cart02:54
BirossoPeople there aren't behaving.02:54
BirossoThink they even tried to enforce it, but something got in the way.02:54
LjLBirosso, maybe they should build some kind of wall around it02:54
berndjsome idiot students in my city had a "corona party" within the last couple of days :(02:55
LjLberndj, someone joined here earlier today telling people where to go instead of beaches in Florida, since some other beach was open or something02:55
Birosso"Heute Tag der Entscheidung! Bekommt Berlin eine Ausgangssperre?" berndj02:55
LjLi didn't even ban them, unsure why02:55
BirossoThis was four days ago. It wasn't approved.02:55
BirossoNow they have a "Kontaktverbot" instead.02:56
LjLBirosso, it is a very good idea to lock down specific areas while not making very, very sure people don't know in advance02:56
berndjLjL, here too people seem to be more concerned about the inconvenience of a lockdown than about a fucking pandemic02:56
LjLberndj, someone else earlier dared to say it's pretty much just a bad cold. still. not even a flu. a cold.02:56
ryoumathere has to be a solution to that02:56
LjLalso not sure why i didn't ban02:56
BirossoLjL, indeed. Also, regarding students, people have stared talking about students in the past couple of days. It's starting to hurt financially now. 02:57
BirossoI would've been in prison if I hadn't found this job. Surprised I finally had some good luck.02:57
LjLBirosso, many people are hurt financially, but not all of them hold "corona parties" of cough in front of old people on purpose02:57
BirossoAlthough one can hardly call this entire situation good luck.02:57
ryoumajust brainstorming but hire a bunch of folk to grab them by the scruff of the neck and make them lie down on the ice in the skating rink that is being used as a morgue?  charge them with terrorism?  um, you know govts are already putting propaganda on sm and tv and stuff so why not a bit of truth?02:57
berndjyeah people are confusing "if i in particular get it i'm most likely to be very much ok" with "that's how it would be for anybody"02:57
BirossoLjL, yes, many are hurting. Problem with students is, a lot of them have nothing. Not even a house to weather the storm out in.02:58
LjLBirosso, well at least now you're much less likely to be repatriated since there are practically no flights from anywhere to anywhere02:58
BirossoIt's a bit different if you're in your 40s and maybe have some savings to fall back on.02:58
BirossoLjL, wrong.02:58
BirossoEmbassies can still arrange flights.02:58
BirossoIn fact, the Egyptian embassy is offering flights to any expats who want to go back.02:58
LjLBirosso, and you're declining?!02:59
BirossoUhhhhhhhhh02:59
BirossoUHHHHHHHHHHHHH02:59
BirossoUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH02:59
BirossoYes.02:59
LjLcalm it02:59
LjLwas joke02:59
BirossoOkoay.02:59
BirossoAnyway, these might cease to become voluntary trips if you run out of money.02:59
BirossoIn fact I know another Egyptian studying here who just might have to go back. Can't cover expenses anymore due to lack of work.03:00
BirossoProbably will.03:00
LjLBirosso, well let me know if you're about to be deported03:00
ryoumayou could perhaps, seriously, shop and deliver03:02
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 02:00: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz03:04
cbeams%data unitedstates03:13
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +110640 cases (now 579683), +3177 deaths (now 24378), +4470 recoveries (now 118694) πŸ”Έ Georgia: +1312 cases (now 1387), +47 deaths (now 47) πŸ”Έ Hubei, China: +932 recoveries (now 60811) πŸ”Έ China: +382 cases (now 81667) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πŸ”Ή Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 recoveries (now 119) [... want %more?]03:13
Brainstormcbeams: Sorry, unitedstates not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.03:13
cbeams%data us03:13
Brainstormcbeams: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.03:13
LjLcbeams, well that should actually have worked03:14
LjLbut the data are being a chore03:14
LjL%data united states03:14
BrainstormLjL: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.03:14
Birosso"+110640 cases "03:14
cbeamshahaha03:14
BirossoIs that in the last 24 hours?03:14
BirossoOr what time period?03:14
LjLcbeams, just look at the linked site for now03:14
cbeamsi figured it should have worked but didnt for some reason03:14
LjLBirosso, no, it's data glitches03:14
xionbox[m]https://covid19tracker.cc/ has been updated to reflect the "new cases/death/recoveries" in the last 24h, and the total numbers per one million people03:14
LjLJHU playing up03:14
xionbox[m]Really puts htings in perspective03:14
cbeamssure03:14
cbeamsthanks03:15
LjLhopefully we'll have a better source than JHU soon since JHU is not being very good03:15
cbeamsWell the CDC isn't reliable, either since private labs and physicians do not have to report positive test results03:16
cbeamsUnfortunately03:16
LjLxionbox[m], hold on a sec, how is the US redder than Italy03:16
LjLah, maybe it's about the daily increase03:16
xionbox[m]LjL: I don't know. It's confusing me too03:16
LjLthe US is rising more rapidly now03:17
cbeamsHm there is a "24 hours" tab on the bottom of the map03:17
xionbox[m]If it is based on the last 24h, then it's only the absolute increase in cases03:17
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:11 UTC: /u/slakmehl: US reports more than 200 deaths in a single day for the first time. β€” from WHO at 02:11: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/zx5Gn603:17
cbeamsSo you think if it were coloring it based on daily increase that would be there03:17
xionbox[m]More new deaths in Italy still 03:17
LjLcrossingzero, but i cannot click on that one03:17
berndjis italy over the hump yet?03:17
LjLxionbox[m], yeah but deaths lag behind03:17
LjLberndj, hard to say, it's fairly linear right now03:18
xionbox[m]LjL: true03:18
LjLbenkolera, but it was fairly linear before and then went back up03:18
LjLalso berndj03:18
LjLand for those tho thought Italy had a completely peculiar combination of factors giving it a high mortality03:18
LjL%data spain03:18
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 49515 cases, 3647 deaths (7.4% of cases), 5367 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data.03:18
LjLbetter hope Spain is very peculiar too03:18
berndji'm worried that spain will be italy 2.003:19
xionbox[m]On another note, I had a call with relatively high up civil servants in the US who say that their management is expecting the "work from home" policy to last a year03:19
xionbox[m]For the US03:19
LjLxionbox[m], naaaah they'll be in church by Easter03:19
tinwhiskers%cases texas03:19
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Texas, US, there are 1155 cases, 15 deaths (1.3% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.03:19
xionbox[m]Grim development, I don't think that information is public yet. Our call was not about covid though03:19
xionbox[m]LjL: oh right. Easter 2021, right?03:20
LjLxionbox[m], well he didn't say! that was pretty clever03:20
xionbox[m];-)03:20
LjLi better not tell my family03:20
LjLthey're barely adjusting to the idea that 3 months is to be expected03:21
berndj%cases south africa03:21
Brainstormberndj: In all areas, South Africa, there are 709 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 12 recoveries as of March 26, 01:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Africa for time series data.03:21
LjLsouth africans as immortal as germans03:21
berndjyeah, we were talking about that in a local channel03:21
LjLi almost typed immoral, that would have been embarrassing.03:21
berndjwe're a young population though03:21
berndjoh, we're pretty immoral too, imho03:21
LjLdamn yeah, i need average age in the bot, as well as total population03:22
LjLif only i could install any modules at all without pipenv breaking03:22
berndjalthough most of our known cases are still returning travelers, so skewed somewhat older (older = wealthier)03:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 02:13: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz03:23
berndjLjL, you're joking about immortality, but i do wonder if recent selective events have played a role in some national differences03:24
LjLare you playing the eugenics card03:26
berndji tend to see "eugenics" as a deliberate thing03:27
berndji'm thinking of wars and such03:27
LjLoh03:27
LjLwell, germany has last had a war when... we last had a war03:27
LjLsame side, even03:27
LjLbut the mortality is a tad different03:27
cbeamseugenics is more social programming, no? whereas LjL you were wondering of the covid outbreak is going to cause a demographic shift?03:27
LjLno03:28
LjLi was wondering if berndj meant that, uhm, people who have been deemed at some point as inferiors have already been removed from the gene pool03:28
LjLi'm kind of glad he didn't mean that03:28
berndjcbeams, i see "eugenics" (as a noun) as referring to a deliberate attempt at "improving the gene stock", while "eugenic" (as an adjective / adverb) can be just a value-neutral retrospective description of some change03:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 67 imported cases, Spain's death count spikes β€” from WHO at 02:23: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv03:29
cbeamsthat makes sense berndj03:30
berndjLjL, i didn't intend to reference eugenics specifically, but genocides would be examples of the "selective events" i'm wondering about. but famines and other epidemics would fit the description too03:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll surpasses China after biggest one-day jump β€” from WHO at 02:29: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv03:35
cbeamsah that last update is no good03:36
berndjnone of any of this is good :(03:36
xionbox[m]Jack Ma sponsored the publishing of a handbook on how to deal with Covid19: https://covid-19.alibabacloud.com/ . I haven't read it (and probably won't), but it's a great move by the founder of Alibaba to try help the world. Seems like after this is all over, China will save the day, not the US. A sad state of affairs03:36
xionbox[m]Actually curious so I'm skimming through it now. Seems like a bullet point list03:36
cbeamstheir reported numbers strike me as very very suspicious, though03:37
fructosexionbox[m]: US will be lucky if it saves itself03:41
fructoseThe President is publicly advocating for packed churches03:42
xionbox[m]fructose: agreed. Such epidemics (at the US level) is what causes empires to fall03:42
strongdevAnyone here in Canada?03:43
cbeamsI went to Target because the baby needed wipes and we were running low on some supplies. I witnessed a lot of absolute carelessness.03:45
cbeamsGroups hanging out, people just chatting with strangers, etc.03:46
cbeamsdamn shame03:46
gildartsWell, I hope we don't insure them.03:46
fructosecbeams: What region?03:50
cbeamsnorth mid atlantic us03:50
fructoseSo close to the largest outbreak on the continent, great03:51
ryoumain common english and western subcultures, i don't think eugenic is used neutrally, and by being an obvious cognate and with obvious etymology, will basically always evoke the pseudoscience called eugenics.  eugenic is not a common word, used not much more than cacogenic, which basically nobody has heard of.03:52
cbeamsyeah exactly fructose... people just don't care here, it seems.03:53
ryoumai think if you want something neutral, you have to spell it out in words.  and even there, you have to spell out your meaning.  selective events is probably best spelled out also -- genes vs. effect on culture vs. whatever anybody might interpret, eugenically or euthenically or neutrally.03:54
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:47 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The United States continues to rise towards being the preeminent epicenter of the coronavirus on Earth. β€” from WHO at 02:47: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/ISx5Gl03:54
LjLas long as they are the preeminent epicenter03:55
ryoumapreeminent.  huh.03:55
LjLsome probably find this reassuring03:55
ryoumawas thinking the same thing03:55
cbeamsah now my wife is freaking out. i think the spain announcement was the last straw. doesn't help my mother works in a hospital around here.03:59
aethxionbox[m]: re emipres falling... including the Roman Empire. I mean, technically the Western Roman Empire had already fallen, but if the Plague of Justinian did not happen, then Italy might have remained in Eastern Roman (i.e. Roman) hands, in which case "Rome falling" might not be a thing one talks about. 40% fatal, though, not 2%-10%.04:00
ryouma(some who have not seen the history think "eugenics was a good idea in principle, distorted by that unfortunate event in the 1900s" but if you trace the direct antecedents to that event, such as the sterilization programs in the us, you find pretty quickly the degree of pseudoscience complete with pernicious intent tied up in all of it.  quite relevantly to the topic of views we've seen expressed re covid, and which04:01
ryouma i beileve are a serious threat, my guess is that action t4 would almost certainly not have occurred without those pseudoscience antecedents, despite there being plenty of nonsense racial/national theories to go around in the ... country of that event later.)04:01
ryoumaum, what i am saying is, we seriously face a threat of what a common person would think of as genocidal attitudes ... and what amount to implicit or explicit extermination policies, hiding behind a virus.04:02
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:00 UTC: /u/slakmehl: How coronavirus took just weeks to overwhelm Spain | World news | The Guardian β€” from WHO at 03:00: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/EA4zXZ04:06
LjLThe plague weakened the Byzantine Empire at a critical point, when Justinian's armies had nearly retaken all of Italy and the western Mediterranean coast; the evolving conquest would have reunited the core of the Western Roman Empire with the Eastern Roman Empire. Although the conquest occurred in 554, the reunification did not last long. In 568, the Lombards invaded Northern Italy, defeated the small Byzantine army that had been left behind and 04:09
LjLestablished the Kingdom of the Lombards.04:09
LjLLombardy repeats04:09
LjLryouma, "hiding behind a virus" in what way?04:11
berndjryouma, who is seriously facing a threat of extermination?04:11
ryoumaberndj: i think that the world was in a politically parlous state before the pandemic; with the pandemic we face a threat of many types of events occurring.  the pandemic can be a pretext, or a trigger, or an opportunity.  but it can also just destabilize.  we face the threat of extermination events (similar to genocides) and wars.  in the case of policy, decisions about herd immunity vs. containment and so on (thin04:15
ryoumak uk, and us's national level non-policies and dilatory govs all over) have direct effects on populations (elderly, sick) that might have gone differently if the virus had a different profile, such as attacking only children.04:15
cbeamsthere is that saying "never waste a good crisis, too" and times have shown that global issues of this magnitude oft lead to significant sociopolitical change04:16
cbeams*"never waste a good crisis", too04:17
berndjryouma, i don't see anything like that happening anything like civilization-wide. if it happens (and i can see some hot-spots of danger), it'll be local and in poor regions04:18
ryoumai didn't say where it would be or at what granularity04:19
berndjlike no, neither the UK nor the US are heading for anyone's deliberate extermination04:19
ryoumai didn't say deliberate per se.  genocides require intent.  extermination events, at the level of the perpetrator, do not.04:19
ryoumaalthough i do not rule out deliberate04:19
berndjyeah, extermination events, whether deliberate or not, will not be happening in the west04:20
berndji doubt you'll even see pogroms. at worst a few lone wolf assaults04:21
ryoumai think it is a real threat in many places including in the west.  certainly, policy decisions have already, whether with the best of intentions or not, consigned populations to death that would not have been the case given a different pandemic profile or different or earlier decisions.04:22
ryoumayour opinion might differ04:23
ryoumai think we do not live in stable times04:23
berndji don't know what you're including in "the west". i can't think of anything i would call "the west" where that's at all plausibly in play04:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:15 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than China’s; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β€” from WHO at 03:15: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9704:25
ryoumadefine "that" please?04:25
orggholy shit, this volunteer work is starting to wear on me a bit mentally...  being in charge tonight for the first time was...  quite a bit more stressful than just being a volunteer.04:25
berndjsome molotov cocktails, overturned cars and burning trashcans, sure04:25
orggbut somehow I'm now team lead for a while...04:25
ryouma(note i am at end of ability to type so cannot have an extended discussion)04:25
berndjryouma, my "that" refers to any extermination event04:26
orggI think things will go smoother over time - but it sucks when communication issues make people's lives more difficult.04:26
ryoumaberndj: future historians might interpret a leader saying let 'er rip 'cause we need taht stock market to rise or whatever, as opposed to containment, differently from today04:26
ryoumajust as one example04:26
orgghad the red cross send one person to the hospital for triage because they didn't realize we had actual RN's doing telehealth...  guy should have just gone to a hotel.04:27
orggnot a hospital to be re-evaluated to go to a hotel.04:27
orggthe right people have been talked to and it won't happen again - but fuck.04:27
orggsome of these little things are hard to watch.  04:27
orggprobably wasted a few hours of his time - thanks to how the red cross decided to handle things because of no communication04:28
orgg</bitch>04:28
Scarecr0wlol, dropped HTML bomb huh?04:29
orggjust trying to stop bitching now.04:29
ryouma:(04:29
orggIt's still a good thing I'm doing and it will get smoother over time.04:29
berndjryouma, when i hear "extermination event" in my mind's eye i see machetes, not the stochastic sword of a virus04:29
ryoumaberndj: i don't think it's merely a virus.  the result of policy is not random.04:30
ryoumait is certainly a different optics from rwanda at this time04:30
berndjand i *do* see machetes possibly coming out in a few hotspots, but none in the west04:30
ryoumasome populations are at the edge of survival anyway and are not being seriously considered in policy in many places, as a general point.  orgg is perhaps dealing with this type of thing.  this type of policy consequence should be seen as a real threat regardless of what you call it or compare it to.04:31
berndjso i find this "bad orange man is crypto-exterminating people" talk a bit trivializing of real dangers04:31
berndjof course it's a real threat. i just think calling it an "extermination event" is irresponsible04:32
ryoumano, i do not have a conspiracy theory about that, and i said no such thing, of course.  i am raising dangers.  there is always this reluctance to raise dangers because it feels like trivializing the past.  but i think those of the past would want us to remember and be cautious.04:32
ryoumai said we face the threat of extermiantion events.  perhaps you disagree.04:33
ryoumathis is looking like it will require more typing and energy than i can do; already past limit04:33
berndji should show you some tweets flying around in my own country if you want to get scared of "extermination event"04:33
ryoumait is a term of art, not something i just made up04:34
ryoumaso the quotes are not needed04:34
ryoumathe irresponsible thing, you need to define "it", sorry, precision prevents talking at cross purposes.04:35
ryoumai think i sohuld stop however04:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 03:34: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv04:37
ryouma(um one last thing bear in mind that i am implicitly referring to eugenics-like sentiments that have been expressed in various places including in this channel, but not today; also realize my brain is fried so might have stated differently if not in a couple of places.)04:42
tinwhiskers%cases us04:43
BrainstormπŸ”Έ US: +2163 cases (now 68211), +83 deaths (now 1027) πŸ”Έ New York, US: +2155 cases (now 32966), +81 deaths (now 366) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +1 cases (now 42) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πŸ”Ή Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πŸ”Ή Austria: +1 deaths (now 31) πŸ”Ή Bolivia: +6 cases (now 38) πŸ”Ή Diamond Princess: +10 recoveries (now 597) πŸ”Ή Florida, US: +25 cases (now 1977) [... want %more?]04:43
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 03:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.04:43
tinwhiskers%cases usa04:43
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 03:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.04:43
LjLi'm not entirely sure why that's happening04:43
tinwhiskersWell, it's likely at my end.04:44
tinwhiskersI think previously where I might have had US;US;68367;1029;394;1585193880000 it's now US;;68367;1029;394;158519388000004:45
tinwhiskers%cases us04:51
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +267 cases (now 472786), +9 deaths (now 21341), +414 recoveries (now 114642) πŸ”Έ Korea, South: +104 cases (now 9241), +5 deaths (now 131), +414 recoveries (now 4144) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +1 cases (now 42) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +115 cases (now 502) πŸ”Ή Aruba: +2 cases (now 19) πŸ”Ή Austria: +1 deaths (now 31) πŸ”Ή Bolivia: +6 cases (now 38) [... want %more?]04:51
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Alabama, US, there are 386 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 03:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.04:51
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:52 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Senate passes massive $2 trillion coronavirus spending bill β€” from WHO at 03:52: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/akDZfy04:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 04:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv05:08
fructoseThe last commit deleted state-based data for me05:11
orggthis is why REST services are created.05:12
orgger... endpoints.05:12
orggwhatever.05:12
orggor even direct calls to the rdbms...  that should be loaded :)05:12
redpyramidthing|is it really bad to reuse ffp3 masks if im not in close contact with confirmed carriers and understand things like to clean hands all the time?05:18
fructoseredpyramidthing|: https://www.livescience.com/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html05:21
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than China’s; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β€” from WHO at 04:14: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9705:26
oriba27bye05:27
oriba2s/7bye//05:27
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 04:32: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz05:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 04:44: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv05:51
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 04:45: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz05:57
isvarahparamahkrHare Krsna06:06
skyofdustDamn it looks like my partner is infected. :/06:08
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:05 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Third of world population under lockdown as global deaths pass 21,000: WTO warns economic impact will be worse than 2008; Spanish death toll higher than China’s; Prince Charles tests positive. Follow the latest updates. β€” from WHO at 05:05: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9706:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 05:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv06:15
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 05:20: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz06:27
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +342 cases (now 473234), +2 deaths (now 21345), +54 recoveries (now 114696) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +17 cases (now 59) πŸ”Ή Australia: +38 cases (now 2766), +52 recoveries (now 170) πŸ”Ή California, US: +4 cases (now 3158) πŸ”Ή India: +1 cases (now 665), +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Kazakhstan: +7 cases (now 88), +2 recoveries (now 2) πŸ”Ή Macao: +1 cases (now 31) [... want %more?]06:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 05:52: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv06:58
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:02 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 06:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz07:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 06:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv07:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:21 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 06:21: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz07:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:31 UTC: India needs a support package 'much larger' than $20 billion for the three-week lockdown: Most of the country's 1.3 billion people have been told to stay indoors for 21 days starting Wednesday as part of the government's efforts to slow down the coronavirus outbreak. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/J2QxGm07:36
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 06:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive but 'remains in good health' β€” from WHO at 06:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/DuKQO207:42
dividediff[m]Plague infograph; 07:51
dividediff[m] Seemingly influenza kills 650 000 / yrs / globally07:55
dividediff[m]Malaria 400 000 / yrs/ global07:55
dividediff[m]I'm not sure why malaria and influenza aren't on the infographics since they surprass hk flu kill count07:55
dividediff[m]nvm malaria is there07:56
xionbox[m]Assuming that we've got the 21.2k deaths in four months, we should reach 63.6 in a year. But that assumes that the death rate stays constant, which isn't really likely in the West at least07:57
xionbox[m]I guess things would have to be fifteen times worse to make its way on the infographic07:57
rajrajraj,07:58
dividediff[m]Patty hajdu (canada) said canada is expecting 30% - 70% of ppl to get infected. Assuming the kill rate globally is 3.4%, and that there are 7bill ppl07:59
dividediff[m]0.30.0347000000000 = 71,400,000 deaths global08:00
dividediff[m]0.3x0.034x700000000008:00
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US Senate passes record $2tn stimulus bill as Tokyo warns against 'explosion' of cases β€” from WHO at 06:49: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9708:01
dividediff[m]xionbox: I think covid makes the info graphics if hajdu is right08:01
xionbox[m]What is hajdu ?08:03
xionbox[m]Oh that's someone in Canada? 08:03
xionbox[m]Ah right, minister of health08:03
dividediff[m]She's someone important in health in canada. 08:04
xionbox[m]Damn, that's really high08:04
dividediff[m]yea so hopefully she's wrong and the kill rate is lower08:04
farnShe might be right about the rate of infection but the true mortality rate is probably nowhere near 3.4%08:05
strongdevIf the kill rate is >3%, that's high af08:06
dividediff[m]farn: ircc korea is at like 1.4%, canada is at 1.1%, italy 7%. USA 5% like last week. So maybe global avg. 08:06
strongdevI thought it was closer to 1.5%08:06
farndividediff[m]: That's of the people who have been tested. Most places can only test those with moderate to severe symptoms right now, who will be much more likely to die than the average infected person.08:07
dividediff[m]According to https://covid19tracker.cc/08:08
dividediff[m]We're at 4.5% globally atm, but i expect it'll lower08:08
dividediff[m]farn: tru!08:08
strongdevfarn: That's it. If we were testing every person, the kill rate would be much lower in the US. 08:08
dividediff[m]Assuming it's 1% falatity: 0.3x0.01x700000000008:09
dividediff[m]21,000,00008:09
dividediff[m]deaths global08:09
xionbox[m]I actually just learned that my mom, who lives in France, might have gotten covid mid January! She was consulting for a firm in the south of France near the Italian border. One person in her group of 10 people had had a flu shot, but was awfully sick: fever, lots of coughing, tired. I remember my mother mentioning him to me and trying to convince me that the flu shot was useless. He still showed up to work because this08:10
xionbox[m]set of meetings was mandatory. Anyway, this was at the "European-wide" company event. That same company went to Boston two weeks later for their "world wide" event. My mom now says that a number of patients in Boston can be traced back to that company! My mother herself got quite sick mid January with intense coughing and fever, but despite being 65, did not seek medical treatment, only rested for about ten days, and08:10
xionbox[m]then she was fine.08:10
dividediff[m]In feb i also got ferociously sick, most viral sick i've ever been. In like 7 days i was fine. Drs told me it was a cold/flu. 08:13
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: cases rise to 2,793 nationally as three die in Victoria and states eye tighter lockdown – live updates β€” from WHO at 07:05: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/jAG8rz08:13
xionbox[m]UK is working on 15-minute antibody based test and plans to send those to people's homes. Once we don't have a shortage of tests, it would be interesting in my opinion to test people like you dividediff and my mom, who might have been exposed08:16
MrtnDk[m]<xionbox[m] "UK is working on 15-minute antib"> By then, they might already be over it.08:17
xionbox[m]guess, yes08:17
dividediff[m]xionbox: Yea i'd be interested in that too. Any word for when uk will have it done?08:17
xionbox[m] * I guess, yes08:17
xionbox[m]dividediff: I don't recall. Let me try to find the Guardian article08:17
xionbox[m]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days08:17
tinwhiskersxionbox[m]: the antibody test only works *once you have antibodies* in the early stages of infection a pcr test will succeed where an antibody test will fail.08:17
dividediff[m]Also i though korea could do it in 10mins for like 200 usd? Like in their drive thrus08:17
dividediff[m]tinwhiskers: pcr?08:18
tinwhiskersdividediff[m]: the current testing method08:18
dividediff[m]tinwhiskers: the swap sinus one right?08:18
xionbox[m]tinwhiskers: oh, interesting. That makes sense. Remind me, it's macrophages first for a few days and then antibodies when the person starts to recover?08:18
tinwhiskersno08:19
tinwhiskersand no08:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 07:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv08:19
tinwhiskersan antibody test is useful to tell who was previously infected to determine how many asymptomatic cases there were, but it's no so good for contact tracing to actually help reduce the spread of the disease.08:19
dividediff[m]Prof Sharon Peacock, the director of the national infection service at PHE, told MPs on the science and technology committee that mass testing in the UK would be possible within days, saying evaluation of the fingerprick tests should be completed this week. The government later took a more cautious line, saying that the tests would not be available so quickly.08:20
xionbox[m]tinwhiskers: ok. When do antibodies start to get produced?08:20
tinwhiskersPCR (Polymerase chain reaction) is the method of testing for the presence of the virus. It doesn't really matter where you take the sample from, per se.08:20
tinwhiskerswell, yes you produce antibodies after some period of time, but probably not in the first few days before you start showing symptoms.08:21
dividediff[m]xionbox: in the arti\cle; β€œThe key thing for us to do is evaluate – are these tests accurate enough to be used by the general public?” said Chris Whitty, chief medical officer.08:21
tinwhiskersyes, they are08:21
tinwhiskersvery simple to use, but just not quite as good as PCR08:22
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +276 cases (now 473510), +5 deaths (now 21350), +18 recoveries (now 114714) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +17 cases (now 59) πŸ”Ή Armenia: +25 cases (now 290), +2 recoveries (now 18) πŸ”Ή Australia: +71 cases (now 2799), +52 recoveries (now 170) πŸ”Ή Austria: +3 deaths (now 34) πŸ”Ή Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 243) πŸ”Ή California, US: +4 cases (now 3158) [... want %more?]08:22
tinwhiskersOh, sorry, I read that as "are they easy for the general public", not "accurate"08:23
dividediff[m]canada (3400 cases) is well on it's way for passing korea (9200) in cases within the next 3 weeks08:23
tinwhiskersTheir accuracy is good, but not early on08:23
dividediff[m]hopefully the fingerprick test works08:24
darsietinwhiskers: With spikes in doubling time logarithmic display might help resolve several countries current doubling time.08:24
tinwhiskersdarsie: you can turn on a log scale with the checkbox below the top graph08:24
darsietinwhiskers: Yeah, but doubling time stays linear.08:25
tinwhiskersohhhh08:25
tinwhiskersyou want log doubling time?08:25
darsieAnd e.g. USA has spikes up to 80.08:25
dividediff[m]Whats the current doubling time atm?08:25
darsietinwhiskers: Yeah. There are probably more important things to do, but yeah, I'd like it.08:26
tinwhiskersI see. That would work08:26
darsietinwhiskers: More important would be to get cases/100(0).000 ppl to compare countries better.08:27
tinwhiskersI do need to tody that up and a log scale would be one way to do it. I was just going to trim them off about 100 days because it's pretty meaningless at that point08:27
dividediff[m]usa's has had 5 digit increases in new case08:27
tinwhiskers*tidy08:27
tinwhiskersdarsie: yeah, if you have a good source for *current* country populations I'm happy to do that08:28
tinwhiskersI did look into it but couldn't find anything up-to-date.08:28
tinwhiskersand since then I've spent most of my time fighting the bullshit from John Hopkins08:29
darsietinwhiskers: I'd prefer outdated numbers over none. Like from wikipedia.08:29
tinwhiskersok08:30
darsiePerhaps with a disclaimer.08:30
darsieAnd maybe with a call for better numbers.08:30
tinwhiskershrm08:30
tinwhiskersyeah08:30
tinwhiskersdarsie: ok, the doubling time will use log scale now if you turn that option on08:35
darsieyay, thx :)08:35
tinwhiskersyou're easy :-)08:36
darsiesometimes :)08:36
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +331 cases (now 473841), +2 deaths (now 21352), +4 recoveries (now 114718) πŸ”Έ Austria: +300 cases (now 5888), +3 deaths (now 34) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +17 cases (now 59) πŸ”Ή Armenia: +25 cases (now 290), +2 recoveries (now 18) πŸ”Ή Australia: +71 cases (now 2799), +52 recoveries (now 170) πŸ”Ή Brazil: +4 recoveries (now 6) πŸ”Ή Bulgaria: +1 cases (now 243) [... want %more?]08:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:25 UTC: Trump faces crucial test at the G-20 meeting as world leaders meet to battle coronavirus: As the White House scrambles to shore up support for its coronavirus strategy at home amid a spike in new cases, criticism has been mounting overseas about the administration's approach. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/ByyQC008:38
tinwhiskersdividediff[m]: doubling time for the US is currently 3.1 days08:48
tinwhiskers7.1 days for the entire world (US has the fastest doubling time of any country)08:49
darsiePerhaps they started late and will bend over in time.08:50
darsietinwhiskers: doubling time doesn't show "all countries".08:56
Mumuks[m]Also, the USA was barely testing before and it is testing a lot now, I bet a lot of the cases are not new, just under counted before and surfacing now08:57
Urchinthey're obviously catching up with the actual number of cases08:58
UrchinGermany is an example of a country that tested aggressively08:58
IronYcheck in twice today09:09
IronYboth times is matrix.org failing lol09:09
adventurerwhy do you think this is happening IronY 09:13
IronYI assume a lot of people on matrix.org did not know about irc until recently and the bridge to freenode is buckling09:14
IronYI suspect this because a gentleman on here tried to tell me his connection to free node was more secure than my connection to freenode because of this service lol09:16
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 08:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv09:16
Mikaelariot.im uses matrix.org as homeserver unless you have confidence of marking yourself as advanced user or custom or something like that and only then it lets you know that other homeservers exist if you know of them, so everyone is registering on matrix.org which keeps suffering and the server software has a lot of performance issues09:18
IronYhttps://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat09:19
IronYhttps://wiki.znc.in/ZNC09:19
IronY0https://www.bestsevenreviews.com/irc-clients/09:20
MikaelaI use https://thelounge.chat/09:21
IronYJust download mirc man, (I cannot believe I am telling someone to download mirc in 2020)09:21
IronYif you are a linux cli/curses person, I recommend WeeChat09:22
IronYif you are linux x11/wayland user, hexchat last I checked?09:22
IronYFor bonus points, to all of those who are looking for a technical challenge: https://ipv6.he.net/09:23
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +357 cases (now 474236), +2 deaths (now 21354), +9 recoveries (now 114749) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πŸ”Ή Czechia: +121 cases (now 1775) πŸ”Ή Greece: +1 deaths (now 23) πŸ”Ή India: +3 cases (now 681) πŸ”Ή Russia: +182 cases (now 840), +9 recoveries (now 38) πŸ”Ή Somalia: +1 cases (now 2) πŸ”Ή Ukraine: +11 cases (now 156)09:24
adventureri used to use mirc but  after some time it asks you to subscribe09:24
adventureri use hexchat now09:24
IronYHE provides a online practice course in which you learn IPv6 and various services configured for it, they give you the ability to have IPV6 to IPV4 tunnels, and if you complete the course you can use IRC over said networks, as an advantage, you get AAAA access to your DNS zone, this is how many of us (who do not use cloaks) have such cool hostz yoh :D (plus the course is actually really well done, they09:25
IronYused to sent you a tshirt when you completed it for free but I cannot be 100% that is still a thing in these new times)09:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:13 UTC: Italy's death toll rises above 7,000 β€” but the number of new cases declines for the 4th day in a row: Glimmers of hope are being seen in Europe as the number of new coronavirus cases continues to decline in Italy, the country that has seen the most acute outbreak of the infection. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/S5jGZM09:29
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US Senate passes record $2tn stimulus bill as Tokyo warns against 'explosion' of cases β€” from WHO at 08:19: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9709:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 08:38: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv09:42
tinwhiskersdarsie: you need to check the "World" node09:45
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +374 cases (now 474610), +29 deaths (now 21383), +30 recoveries (now 114779) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πŸ”Ή Czechia: +121 cases (now 1775) πŸ”Ή DRC: +3 cases (now 51), +1 deaths (now 3) πŸ”Ή Denmark: +127 cases (now 1851) πŸ”Ή Greece: +1 deaths (now 23) πŸ”Ή India: +3 cases (now 681) [... want %more?]09:54
isvarahparamahkrHare Krsna09:55
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti mentre eravate via β€” from WHO at 08:58: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/0yPUlc10:01
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:03 UTC: Italy's death toll rises above 7,000 β€” but the number of new cases declines for the 4th day in a row: Glimmers of hope are being seen in Europe as the number of new coronavirus cases continues to decline in Italy, the country that has seen the most acute outbreak of the infection. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/S5jGZM10:08
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:12 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US Senate passes record $2tn stimulus bill as Tokyo warns against 'explosion' of cases β€” from WHO at 09:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9710:20
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1831 cases (now 476441), +18 deaths (now 21401), +8 recoveries (now 114787) πŸ”Έ Malaysia: +235 cases (now 2031), +2 deaths (now 23) πŸ”Έ Germany: +1286 cases (now 38609), +7 deaths (now 213) πŸ”Ή Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) [... want %more?]10:24
pwr22I have to go into the office to reconfigure networking on my desktop πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ10:35
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +911 cases (now 477352), +14 deaths (now 21415), +1 recoveries (now 114788) πŸ”Έ Germany: +703 cases (now 39312), +9 deaths (now 222) πŸ”Ή Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πŸ”Ή Cyprus: +1 recoveries (now 4) πŸ”Ή Czechia: +121 cases (now 1775) [... want %more?]10:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: hospital car parking charges waived for NHS staff in England β€” from WHO at 09:25: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/KNVWUb10:40
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +2409 cases (now 479761), +157 deaths (now 21572), +38 recoveries (now 114826) πŸ”Έ Iran: +2389 cases (now 29406), +157 deaths (now 2234) πŸ”Ή Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πŸ”Ή Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) [... want %more?]10:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 09:46: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv10:53
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conte, responsabilitΓ  di tutti - Ultima Ora - ANSA β€” from WHO at 09:55: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/ONwFyV10:59
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:01 UTC: India announces $22.5 billion stimulus package to help those affected by the lockdown: Most of the country's 1.3 billion people have been told to stay indoors for 21 days starting Wednesday as part of the government's efforts to slow down the coronavirus outbreak. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/J2QxGm11:05
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +54 cases (now 479815), +839 recoveries (now 115665) πŸ”Έ Iran: +832 recoveries (now 10457) πŸ”Ή Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πŸ”Ή Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +39 cases (now 481) πŸ”Ή Cyprus: +1 recoveries (now 4) [... want %more?]11:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US deaths soar past 1,000, according to Johns Hopkins University β€” from WHO at 10:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv11:12
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1498 cases (now 481313), +52 deaths (now 21624), +131 recoveries (now 115796) πŸ”Έ Belgium: +1298 cases (now 6235), +42 deaths (now 220), +128 recoveries (now 675) πŸ”Ή Albania: +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) πŸ”Ή Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) [... want %more?]11:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: London hospitals seeing 'continuous tsunami' of patients, says NHS leader β€” from WHO at 10:25: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/KNVWUb11:38
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza β€” from WHO at 10:42: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/O25Sv911:44
python476o/11:49
mefistofelespython476: hey11:50
python476hey mefistofeles 11:52
python476how are you11:52
mefistofelesfolding@home running at full capacity in the workstation xD11:52
mefistofelespython476: fine, trying to work11:52
mefistofeleswhat about you?11:52
python476i'm ok11:52
euod[m]mefistofeles: I think they're well over capacity. I haven't had any work assignments on any machine in the last hour or two. 11:53
python476euod[m]: you too are f@h ? 11:53
python476what are your machine specs ?11:53
euod[m]sure, I'm flush with hardware, I don't see why not.11:53
python476i have two old core i5 ~_~.. maybe I can boot them11:53
euod[m]lots of Ryzen cores, a 1080 and a 2080. no work assignments on GPU or CPU at the moment. 11:53
python476oh ok11:54
python476I thought maybe I could print something so that kids in the building can share their gpu11:54
python476but..11:54
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +6862 cases (now 488175), +444 deaths (now 22068), +1650 recoveries (now 117446) πŸ”Έ Spain: +6673 cases (now 56188), +442 deaths (now 4089), +1648 recoveries (now 7015) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42) [... want %more?]11:54
euod[m]their work servers are well, well over capacity at this point. f@h is currently faster than pretty much all the supercomputers in the world. 11:55
mefistofeleseuod[m]: funny, I fired mine up, and in less than 10mins  have two WUs, one for CPU and one for GPU11:55
python476the world is both comatose and overcapacity 11:55
python476weird11:55
euod[m]mefistofeles: depends what target server you end up on. 11:56
mefistofelespython476: better if you hack their computers11:56
mefistofeles:P11:56
mefistofeleseuod[m]: I guess11:56
euod[m]01:42:56:ERROR:WU00:FS01:Exception: Failed to connect to 128.252.203.2:80: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.11:57
mefistofelesnow, running FAH, I'm now very curious about using OpenMM for my own research11:57
python476mefistofeles: not as good as stealing though11:57
BrainstormNew from BMJ at 10:51 UTC: Covid-19: medical schools given powers to graduate final year students early to help NHS: Medical schools have been granted the power to graduate their students early to allow them to work for the NHS during the covid-19 pandemic, the BMA has said.1 This follows the surprise statement... [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/ueM17J11:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll tops China's as new cases rise by over 8,000 in a day β€” from WHO at 10:57: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv12:03
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna β€” from WHO at 11:15: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/byIUKr12:21
mefistofeles%cases Germany12:23
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +246 cases (now 488421), +5 deaths (now 22073), +117 recoveries (now 117563) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) πŸ”Ή Bangladesh: +5 cases (now 44), +4 recoveries (now 11) πŸ”Ή Bermuda: +2 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?]12:23
Brainstormmefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 39502 cases, 222 deaths (0.6% of cases), 3547 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 5.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).12:23
mefistofeles%cases France12:23
Brainstormmefistofeles: In all areas, France, there are 25233 cases, 1331 deaths (5.3% of cases), 3900 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data.12:23
covid-20%cases Singapore12:24
Brainstormcovid-20: In all areas, Singapore, there are 631 cases, 2 deaths (0.3% of cases), 160 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 1.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries).12:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's death toll tops China's as new cases rise by over 8,000 in a day β€” from WHO at 11:22: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv12:25
HumpelstilzchenWhy is France so much worse then Germany?12:27
mefistofelesHumpelstilzchen: health system collapsing and maybe susceptible age groups being hit worse12:29
covid-20Humpelstilzchen: It's not France doing bad, Germany is doing better than others.12:29
mefistofelesyou can also see how Germany death rate is spiking up, been like that for days now, because now the worse age group is being affected12:29
mefistofelesso I'd think it will continue to go up12:29
mefistofelesbut yes, ICUs beds per capita in Germany is larger than in France12:30
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna β€” from WHO at 11:27: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/ID118912:30
Sandro%data germany12:33
BrainstormSandro: In all areas, Germany, there are 39502 cases, 222 deaths (0.6% of cases), 3547 recoveries as of March 26, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 5.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).12:34
yuriwhoall it takes is a few seniors communities to get affected to spike the death rates as they take up all the ICU beds12:35
mefistofelesit also depends on testing, Germany has been testing more than France also12:36
yuriwhoand hold them for a long time12:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:32 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain's new cases rise by over 8,000 in a day: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Spain has risen by 8,578 in the last 24 hours, the country's health ministry announced Thursday. β€” from WHO at 11:32: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/yjabOv12:39
mefistofeleseuod[m]: https://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/89925 fwiw12:40
Humpelstilzchenthanks12:40
mefistofelesnot sure if that's accurate, though12:40
euod[m]it's very latent.12:41
euod[m]like 1-2 days behind. 12:41
mefistofeleseuod[m]: yep12:42
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Brasile β€” from WHO at 11:41: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/s78lDp12:43
yuriwhohttps://www.biocentury.com/article/30473212:45
yuriwho%t12:45
Brainstormyuriwho: From www.biocentury.com: BioCentury - Reversing course, Gilead asks FDA to rescind remdesivir's Orphan designation12:45
astraliam[m]%data italy12:47
Brainstormastraliam[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 26, 11:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.12:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:43 UTC: Trump faces crucial test at the G-20 meeting as world leaders meet to battle coronavirus: As the White House scrambles to shore up support for its coronavirus strategy at home amid a spike in new cases, criticism has been mounting overseas about the administration's approach. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/ByyQC012:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases post steep rise, Spain's death toll tops China's β€” from WHO at 11:48: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c12:54
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +478 cases (now 488899), +1 deaths (now 22074), +19 recoveries (now 117582) πŸ”Έ Switzerland: +310 cases (now 11435), +1 deaths (now 165) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) [... want %more?]12:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:02 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: WHO sees 'encouraging signs' in Europe despite Spain death toll passing 4,000 β€” from WHO at 12:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9713:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Investors brace for jobless claims, US cases post steep rise β€” from WHO at 12:13: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c13:20
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +604 cases (now 489503), +23 deaths (now 22097), +21 recoveries (now 117603) πŸ”Έ Portugal: +549 cases (now 3544), +17 deaths (now 60), +21 recoveries (now 43) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) [... want %more?]13:24
jcayElon Musk in his gigafactory produces ventilators now13:27
azyour saviour13:29
yuriwhohe got the first 1k ventilators he gave to Cali from China. He has good relationships there. I would not be surprised if he got parts and plans from China.13:30
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: I Tweet recenti di Politici β€” from WHO at 12:25: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/hi1Kie13:32
jcayI am sure 1.2k ventolators is just peanuts, he shouldn't stop building them13:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β€” from WHO at 12:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c13:39
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +342 cases (now 489845), +18 deaths (now 22115), +4 recoveries (now 117607) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Australia: +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) πŸ”Ή Azerbaijan: +29 cases (now 122), +1 deaths (now 3), +5 recoveries (now 15) [... want %more?]13:39
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA β€” from WHO at 12:42: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/EcUmdx13:45
AtquePrince Charles have COVID-19.13:47
Atque$data au13:47
Atque%data au13:47
BrainstormAtque: In all areas, Australia, there are 2799 cases, 13 deaths (0.5% of cases), 170 recoveries as of March 26, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 7.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries).13:47
WoofWolfCrin%data ph13:49
BrainstormWoofWolfCrin: In all areas, Philippines, there are 707 cases, 45 deaths (6.4% of cases), 28 recoveries as of March 26, 12:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines for time series data.13:49
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β€” from WHO at 12:48: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c13:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Johnson sets target for 750,000 NHS volunteers as London hospitals see 'tsunami' of patients β€” from WHO at 12:50: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/KNVWUb13:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β€” from WHO at 12:58: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c14:05
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Gabrielli: 'Arriva una nuova autocertificazione' - Cronaca - ANSA β€” from WHO at 13:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/AwtEOn14:11
LjLLombardy's governor said today we have "a bit too many" new cases, around 2500 (i don't remember how many it was yesterday in Lombardy)14:12
mefistofeles%cases Lombardy14:13
Brainstormmefistofeles: Sorry, Lombardy not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.14:13
mefistofeles%cases Lombardia14:13
Brainstormmefistofeles: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 32346 cases, 4474 deaths (13.8% of cases), 7281 recoveries as of March 25, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data.14:13
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Gabrielli "Cambieremo il modulo per l'autocertificazione" - la Repubblica β€” from WHO at 13:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/2HWC7g14:18
python476plague.com updated site is cute, but it's harder to get data at a glance now14:18
python476https://i.imgur.com/YNKxjmH.png14:21
LjLpython476, they've stopped being JHU?14:23
LjLbut they have a github14:23
LjLtinwhiskers, https://github.com/jakobzhao/virus should have code to get the data from "WHO, NBC News, CDC, Baidu and etc."14:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β€” from WHO at 13:20: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c14:24
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1581 cases (now 491426), +87 deaths (now 22202), +437 recoveries (now 118044) πŸ”Έ US: +208 cases (now 68802), +1 deaths (now 1037) πŸ”Έ Netherlands: +1019 cases (now 7431), +78 deaths (now 434) πŸ”Έ Germany: +217 cases (now 39572), +2 deaths (now 224), +412 recoveries (now 3959) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) [... want %more?]14:24
pwr22!compare us;uk;it;spain;de14:25
LjLBorrelli (head of civil protection, who had a fever) is negative14:25
pwr22How does that look on the IRC side, a long message link?14:26
Biep[m]<Birosso ""Heute Tag der Entscheidung! Bek"> Berlin braucht ein Mauer!14:26
euod[m]I'd be really curious to know what causes people to be carriers of it rather than affected. 14:27
LjLtinwhiskers, also14:27
LjLThe dataset (in SQLite format) can be downloaded from http://hgis.uw.edu/virus/assets/virus.db.14:27
LjLYou can view the data (in CSV format) at http://hgis.uw.edu/virus/assets/virus.csv.14:27
LjLpwr22, yes, long message link14:27
LjLeuod[m], i thought we had no hard knowledge of people being "carriers"14:27
LjLthe vast majority of asymptomatic people who were followed up developed symptoms later, in China at least14:28
euod[m]the difference in severity between people literally dying, and others being completely unaffected is ludicrous. is it a genetic factor? something situational? dumb luck? 14:28
euod[m]LjL: er let me find a reference. I've seen it be commented in a few articles now.14:28
LjLnewspaper articles make many statements that are unfounded14:28
LjLlike "10x real number of infected". i mean sure, it's possible, but we absolutely don't know that14:29
euod[m]the CDC says on the topic14:29
euod[m]" Asymptomatic infection with SARS-CoV-2 has been reported, but it is not yet known what role asymptomatic infection plays in transmission. "14:29
euod[m]but nothing concrete. 14:29
LjLwell yeah, reported. but also, aside from the fact it may be a small percentage, there may still be subtle damage we haven't been able to analyze yet14:29
LjL"carrier" would imply being unaffected14:30
LjLi wanted to see if Lombardy's new data were already updated, but... https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ :\14:30
LjLthis is/was by far the most detailed site for Italy14:30
euod[m]right,14:30
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 13:20 UTC: Coronavirus US live: House to vote on historic $2.2tn stimulus package: Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment US stimulus: are you eligible and how much will you get? What happens if Trump loosens restrictions too soon? See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/GiVdxL14:31
LjLby the way, the European Union is holding a press conference later, at around 16 CET i think14:31
LjLit is rumored that it could be pretty much the collapse of the EU14:31
euod[m]the conference or coronavirus? 14:31
LjLsince "mediterranean countries" (us and Spain, presumably) want to unlock the money allocated for crises14:31
LjLand a few other countries don't14:32
Mumuks[m]<LjL "it is rumored that it could be p"> Lol, I wish14:32
LjLeuod[m], well, one due to the other14:32
Mumuks[m]We are not getting rid of the corrupt burocrats that easy14:32
LjLMumuks[m], well if the EU tells us "no" to this, honestly, i'll be the first to the polls next time we're asked whether we want to leave14:32
LjLand according to polls, so far, most italians would do the same14:32
LjLbefore the pandemic, "only" something like 40% thought the EU was a net negative for Italy14:33
LjLnow it's jumped to 60% or so14:33
Mumuks[m]LjL are Portuguese considered Mediterranean or are they in limbo?14:33
LjLi wouldn't know, but i assume the borders between Spain and Portugal are porous enough that they'll import many Spanish cases and be in trouble14:34
LjLbesides for me, one major advantage of the EU was the ability to go to other countries unimpeded14:34
LjLbut now, who knows for how many years that won't really be possible14:34
Mumuks[m]LjL I am not Italian, but you guys have my support and would be voting the same way if my country gets to vote14:34
LjLat least until everyone is vaccinated14:34
LjLMumuks[m], well you sound like you'd have voted the same way before too :P14:34
LjLi wouldn't have14:34
python476what about plasma sharing ?14:37
isvarahparamahkrHare Krsna14:38
Mumuks[m]<LjL "Mumuks, well you sound like you'"> I would have, yes14:38
LjLpython476, are we doing that?14:38
LjLisvarahparamahkr, uhm... hello?14:38
Mumuks[m]<python476 "what about plasma sharing ?"> The problem with plasma sharing is that it is only temporary, the body just receives the antibodies but does not learn to produce them, so when the antibodies of the plasma are eliminated, the person is vulnerable again14:39
isvarahparamahkrWho's in a lockdown zone?14:39
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +277 cases (now 491703), +2 deaths (now 22204), +16 recoveries (now 118060) πŸ”Ή Albania: +28 cases (now 174), +1 deaths (now 6) πŸ”Ή Andorra: +36 cases (now 224), +2 deaths (now 3) πŸ”Ή Arkansas, US: +28 cases (now 308) πŸ”Ή Australia: +7 cases (now 2806), +1 deaths (now 13) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6001), +8 deaths (now 42), +103 recoveries (now 112) [... want %more?]14:39
Mumuks[m]Basically the plasma works as medicine, but nothing more14:40
python476LjL: I just saw the idea float in some titles14:41
python476most probably people are investigating14:41
bin_bashplasma sharing?14:41
python476Mumuks[m]: thanks14:41
python476bin_bash: immunized people giving plasma with antibodies 14:42
python476as a temporary helper until vaccine or other nicer methods come along14:42
Mumuks[m]isvarahparamahkrsnah: I am in a country as a tourist that has stopped all flights, has closed some land borders and has said the other land borders might follow, and has enacted several other measures restricting movement of its citizens locally14:42
Mumuks[m]Does that count as lock down zone?14:42
isvarahparamahkrNope14:43
isvarahparamahkrLockdown as in Wuhan China lockdown14:43
bin_bashoh thats called convalescent plasma python476 14:43
Mumuks[m]Then no14:43
bin_bashive never heard it called "plasma sharing"14:43
python476ok14:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak boosts jobless claims to record, US cases post steep rise β€” from WHO at 13:39: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c14:43
isvarahparamahkrif you get out of the house, you get arrested14:44
LjLpython476, oh yeah that gets done already i think, although there haven't really been trials14:44
python476aight14:44
LjLpython476, i thought you were saying more about blood donation sharing between EU countries, since i was talking about the EU14:44
LjLnow they just showed some Spanish hospital on TV14:44
Mumuks[m]isvarahparamahkrsnah: we have a curfew here14:45
LjLthey have people (patients?) sleeping right on the ground14:45
LjLthere's red lines painted on the ground14:45
LjLsimilar to parking lines on roads...14:45
LjLinside of wish people are lying down14:45
LjLand Germany still has its 28000 ICU beds14:45
python476LjL: would blood donation help in the situation (genuine question)14:45
Mumuks[m]Spain is reaching the peak right now14:45
LjLpython476, not for COVID, but *because* of COVID, nobody is donating blood anymore14:45
isvarahparamahkrSo many countries under lockdown/curfew14:45
Mumuks[m]At least it seems Italy is past the worse14:46
LjLpython476, Borrelli says every single day that donating blood is safe and to please continue donating14:46
isvarahparamahkrSome countries can't stream vids on HD. They throttled connections14:46
LjLMumuks[m], today Lombardy has 2500 new cases, vs like 2000 yesterday14:46
LjLthat is not good news14:46
bin_bashhard to donate blood without blood drives14:46
LjLisvarahparamahkr, it's not just some countries, all of the EU has asked Youtube Netflix et all to change all the streams to SD14:46
LjLbin_bash, blood drives?14:46
LjLugh14:47
LjLactually14:47
LjLyesterday we had 1643 new cases in Lombardy14:47
LjLso if it's become 2500 today... that's worse than bad news14:47
python476LjL: right, good point, society stopping but not the world..14:48
LjLpython476, people don't stop dying from other things than COVID. in fact, they die much more14:48
dividediff[m]I've heard a rumor that some cities arent properly disinfecting their buses in canada14:48
LjLpython476, get a heart attack, 112 won't respond in time. need oxygen to survive, pharmacies are all out of oxygen bottles.14:48
python476indeed14:48
python476I forgot it too regularly since covid popped14:49
python476cancer patients have issues, lupus medicine out of stock and nobody or no money to give it14:49
python476gonna read covid19_economics14:49
LjLpython476, what's that, a subreddit?14:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:44 UTC: (news): Trump's claim that malaria drug can treat coronavirus gives hope, but little evidence it will work β€” from WHO at 13:44: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/dfX8NT14:50
python476yes14:51
python476https://old.reddit.com/r/Covid19_economics/ not the most filled but still 14:51
python476https://old.reddit.com/r/supplychain/ also talks about covid14:51
oribatinwhiskers: would be nice to have (switch to get) a fullscrren graph...14:52
LjLif Lombardy is going from +1600 to +2500... this is... bad, very bad, especially for showing lockdowns not working14:52
LjLand i don't know what provinces are most hit14:52
LjLmake it not be Milan ;(14:53
LjLselfish, but eh.14:53
bin_bashare people actually following the lockdowns14:53
sneepDo they do any kind of tracing at all?14:54
sneepWhere do the new cases come from?14:55
sneepSupermarket?14:55
LjLsneep, i think supermarkets and public transport must be closed14:56
LjLthey should find a way to do deliveries, i think it's vital14:56
LjLbin_bash, they are now14:56
LjLbut the last weeks were not so great14:56
LjLhttps://youtu.be/UqbOlwxRnAo?t=284 ← Lombardy's press conference from earlier today, not live, I will translate though14:56
python476LjL yesterday some swiss hospital hosted a conf, some MDs showed two italian city curves14:57
LjL(Fontana). Good morning. Today the numbers aren't great, unfortunately.14:57
bin_bashwell then the numbers won't be really accurate for another month or so14:57
bin_bashIF people actually follow it moving forward14:57
LjLThe new infected rose a bit too much compared to the linear line of the previous days.14:57
python476one was linear and limited, the other still exp, she said it was just a matter of lockdown timing14:57
LjLWe hoped no such increase would happen. We'll have to understand if this is an exceptional thing due to a particular episode, or the trend is going up again, which would be very worrying.14:57
LjLI also want to discuss something that, aside from quibbles and controversies I don't care about, must reassure the citizens.14:58
LjLBecause someone is bringing up controversies with no basis, and until that's politics, it's okay with me, so if someone says things to discredit me, that would be okay with me... but the problem is these things create panic and anxiety in the citizens, and this is not acceptable, or our citizens who are already worried and limited in their lifestyle and worries for the future, they are going to live this further anguish.14:59
LjLI think these behaviors are unacceptable, but they must be pointed out.14:59
bin_bashalso are they still telling people 1 meter is enough space LjL 14:59
LjLI am referring again to the issue of testing, on which again, there are shameful rumors: the region of Lombardy, and Minister of Health Speranza reiterated it today, has rigorously followed the the protocols indicated by the ISS and by the scientific committee.15:00
dividediff[m]tinwhiskers: ty!15:00
LjLThey sent on February 27 some indications on how to act, and these indications, which are available to me, concludes saying: "when there are no symptoms, the test does not appear to have a scientific rationale, as it does not provide information useful for clinical purposes, and could be misleading. Given the rapid evolution of new knowledge, we may revise this document."15:01
LjLSo the meaning of this is clear: tests must be reserved to people with symptoms, and every other test is considered misleading.15:01
python476LjL => https://youtu.be/TMFrbsuL3A4?t=304 15:01
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 13:56 UTC: Coronavirus: Can I get tested to see if I have Covid-19?: The government aims to reach 25,000 tests a day, but only patients are being routinely screened. β€” from WHO at 13:56: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/bkL2pW15:01
LjLSo if Lombardy, and let me also say something else, we are the region that did the most tests in the whole countries, but what's even more relevant is that we have rigorously respected what the highest health institutions in our country indicated.15:02
python476(cities were bergamo vs lodi, lodi being linear at the time of the graph)15:02
CovBotI've got a new command: !compare. It works like this: !compare uk;us;it;spain;china. If it doesn't look right on mobile try rotating to landscape mode. See !help for more info. Many thanks to Rob Hallam for adding this!15:02
LjLWe also sent on Monday, exactly because these controversies were starting, and also because we did want to know if the scientific knowledge had changed, we sent the scientific committee a question asking whether the guidelines that had been sent should be considered confirmed, or somehow deprecated.15:03
LjLAs of today, we have had no answer to that, so in the absence of an answer, we must assume the rules remain the same. We'll change things if new rules are mandated.15:03
oribadividediff[m]: in Berlin they don't do desinfection at all in busses and trains...15:03
LjLToday, Minister Speranza reiterated that testing protocols are decided by scientific organisms, and the Regions must respect these indications.15:04
LjLThere's also a statement by Dr Guerra, who was a WHO member, he says that on the one hand, extending testing to the whole of population is inappropriate and not rational, and on the other hand, he states that tests must be done also on certain cases without symptoms. Now if this is only his own opinion, fine, but if it's WHO indications, then we want to know from the ISS what are the actual directions that we must follow, since until now we have followed 15:05
LjLthem.15:05
LjLI wish there are no more misunderstandings on this situation, that are very misleading for our citizens. Let the ISS alone speak, and say exactly what to do and what not to do. These are not choices I can make myself, not the mayors, not the minister secretaries.15:06
LjLThanks.15:06
LjLQuestion: these data that are not good today... what is the order of magnitude?15:06
LjLAnswer: unfortunately, around 2500...15:06
LjLQuestion: so do you think you missed some cases in the previous days, or is there an actual peak?15:06
LjLAnswer: I am unable to evaluate this... again the scientific committee must evaluated this. Personally, I am worried.15:07
LjLQuestion: these controversies were made by various mayors of the Metropolitan City. Would you be ready to change your strategy if the ISS asked you to?15:07
dividediff[m]oriba: Is that because berlin has shutdown trians/buses?15:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin sees relief checks in weeks, jobless claims surge to record β€” from WHO at 14:05: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c15:08
LjLAnswer: Of course! We always followed that... even though this WHO member says that a mass screening is inappropriate, but really, I'm perfectly ready to do what the ISS tells me, on two conditions: they must provide me with the equipment to do the tests the request, and secondly, Lombardy's labs must be able to process no more than 5000 tests a day... since we are "a bit" more than 5000 people in Lombardy... you do the maths, testing 10 million people, 15:08
LjL5000 a day: that's three years?15:08
python476"Germany is performing an estimated 500.000 tests per week"15:08
LjLQueston: Healthcare workers, will they be tested?15:09
python476even at 500k/day still half a year to cover all15:09
oribadividediff[m]: it has not shutdown trains and busses, it but has limited the traffic (wtf). They say: well, we clean more often, we cant desinfect so much trains and busses, and also: if the next one infected person touches the handle, then the desinfection effect is anyway gone15:09
LjLAnswer: Oh about them, we already increased on Monday the amount of tests to do on them. Now again, we sent the scientific committee a request, because in theory we must just respect their indications, but since there are these disagreement, we want to know whether we have to change the rules.15:09
LjLQuestion: Do I get it right, +2500 today? Is there a particularly hit area?15:10
dividediff[m]python476: Source on 500k/wk?15:10
LjLAnswer: at this time, the data is being processed... I wanted to tell you the final data point because it was important news, but analyses are not yet completed. There will be a press conference later.15:10
LjLThe only data point I have to date is that I asked "what's the situation today?" and I got "unfortunately, +2500 today". That's all I know for now.15:11
LjLThanks15:11
LjL--- end15:11
LjLpython476, we are doung about 20k-25k per day15:11
dividediff[m]oriba: Not the best, but i guess15:11
LjLpython476, i mean in total in italy, not lombardy15:11
navmedCoronavirus Live Stream - Real-time counter, Maps, and worldwide stats.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTbR2UKTQQc15:11
isvarahparamahkr!cases Singapore15:12
CovBotIn Singapore there have been a total of 683 cases as of 2020-03-26 14:04:00 UTC. Of these 509 (74.5%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 172 (25.2%) have definitely recovered and 2 (0.3%) have died.15:12
LjLpython476, this is an intranet (i.e. nonpublic) site?15:13
ubLIXdramatic visualisation and note on testing, Kentucky vs. Tennessee: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EToyuCJWAAMlxcD?format=jpg&name=medium15:13
dividediff[m]Thats a comparatiely good fatality rate on singapore.15:14
navmedCoronavirus Live Stream - Real-time counter, Maps, and worldwide stats.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTbR2UKTQQc15:14
dividediff[m]!cases vietnam15:14
CovBotIn Vietnam there have been a total of 153 cases as of 2020-03-26 14:04:00 UTC. Of these 136 (88.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 17 (11.1%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died.15:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:09 UTC: (news): Trump's claim that malaria drug can treat coronavirus gives hope, but little evidence it will work β€” from WHO at 14:09: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/dfX8NT15:14
LjLpython476, where did you get the worst province? from that video? i'm a bit confused15:14
dividediff[m]How could vietnam have 0 deaths unless all their cases arrived just yest?15:15
LjLpython476, ah okay yeah, clarified a moment before that timestamp... but i've seen that graph, it's kind of old15:16
python476dividediff[m]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fp9ory/germany_is_performing_an_estimated_500000_tests/15:16
LjLpython476, it's what happened today that i worry about15:16
python476LjL: yeah my source is old, sorry15:17
LjLpython476, it will be available here https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ when it does become available, but go to "L’andamento nelle province con piΓΉ contagi", and look at Milan's line... it's looking a bit odd15:17
python476I just thought the views of a MD on lockdown graph would reassure that if numbers in italy are higher, it can be something else15:17
python476even though, in these weeks.. data is so fuzzy15:18
LjLpython476, looked exponential, then had a camel thing, then linear... today i am afraid it'll spike15:18
dividediff[m]python476: woah wow, korea has conducted 300,000 tests total15:18
LjLdividediff[m], yes Korea has done like twice the tests that Italy has, despite having many fewer cases15:18
python476LjL a lot of places had the exp / lin / exp pattern15:18
LjLthere must be something to it15:18
LjLalso, Fontana in the press conference i typed kept saying they're following Health Minister directions15:19
LjLthen the Health Minister would say they're following WHO directions15:19
LjLbut the WHO was like "test test test!" if you recall15:19
LjLnot "test only people about to die"15:19
LjLpython476, well it wouldn't be great news for me ;(15:19
LjLhttps://lispa.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/637ec3dc28ec4ea591cc5c724f12770115:19
LjLthat's Lombardy, but it's of course also missing today's update15:20
LjLpython476, do you have a github account you can share?15:20
python476share how ?15:21
python476I can fork repos if you want15:21
python476LjL about the exp lin exp.. it might also be a bad blip before another linear period15:21
LjLpython476, share as in tell me what it is (and presumably the rest of the channel)15:22
python476LjL you lost me15:22
LjLpython476, i want to give you access to edit the resource page, it's on github15:22
python476https://i.imgur.com/YNKxjmH.png 15:23
python476github.com/jnpn15:23
LjLpython476, US will become #1 again soon15:23
oxalis#MAGA?15:23
python476oxalis: trump feud with europe makes me want USA to explode .. but I'm not even mean enough to wish that on their citizen15:24
oxalisHe’s one of the least popular presidents ever.15:25
oxalisThe only reason he won was because a bunch of chauvinists didn’t want a woman to be president.15:25
python476the reasons run deeper IMO15:26
python476it's a complex and struggling period globally, makes people go for extreme and populists15:26
oxalisWell there’s plenty of other reasons, but if you were to just remove the chauvinist votes that would have pushed Hilary over the top15:27
python476yeah plausibly15:28
LjLif Sanders had won the primaries, he'd probably have gotten the presidency too. and we know that many people voted for Clinton instead of Sanders because "Sanders can't win", so much for that, neither did Clinton. and now, this time, i'm hearing the same type of people make the same type of reasoning with Biden15:28
Justin[m]Trump is the least popular president in American history. He won largely because of a few thousand votes in 2 or 3 states. In one state, as few as 10,000 votes would have dramatically swung the delegate count from Trump to Clinton.15:28
LjLvote for *the person you like*, people, not for the person you don't like but you think is gonna win15:28
LjLhow about that, is it too much of a revolutionary concept?15:29
dividediff[m]"Rogers waiving roaming fees, Canadian long distance and other COVID-19 support15:29
dividediff[m]"15:29
bin_bashthat's not really why15:29
bin_bashbut that's not a topic for this channel15:29
LjLif you say so15:30
bin_bashLjL: hard to do if you don't like any of them15:30
LjLsure15:30
mefistofelesuh, netsplit coming?15:30
bin_bashmefistofeles: was about to ask the same15:30
bin_bashsome real lag there15:30
LjLbut many people claimed they liked Sanders enough, but he simply "couldn't win"15:30
bin_bashhe's the worst15:30
mefistofelesColonel Sanders?15:31
bin_bashalso the dnc basically scuddled him 15:31
bin_basheveryone who hated hilary shouldve voted for gary johnson15:31
LjLwell it is a problem when the parties decide who gets to run and probably win, instead of the people15:31
LjLnot very democratic anymore15:31
bin_bashwell it was never really democratic15:31
Justin[m]The people voted for Biden. The DNC supported Biden because he is popular.15:32
LjLpython476, do you have a Lithp15:32
bin_bashbut honestly, the masses are retarded so we need a system that does allow mob rule15:32
bin_bashthat doesn't***15:32
LjLuh okay15:32
python476I have many Lithp15:33
Justin[m]The fact that Biden is more popular than Sanders is evident from the fact that more people voted for him.15:33
Justin[m]Both Sander and Biden do equally well in a head-to-head comparison with Trump, so each is as likely to win against Trump.15:34
gildartsSanders is far more polarizing. Far more people fear what he would attempted to do compared to Biden.15:34
bin_bashyes15:35
LjLpython476, i've never even tried very hard to understand non-imperative languages15:35
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +749 cases (now 493502), +9 deaths (now 22223), +3 recoveries (now 118063) πŸ”Έ Switzerland: +259 cases (now 11575), +1 deaths (now 172) πŸ”Έ Austria: +397 cases (now 6398), +7 deaths (now 49) πŸ”Ή Brazil: +22 cases (now 2589) πŸ”Ή North Carolina, US: +69 cases (now 636) πŸ”Ή Pakistan: +2 cases (now 1130) πŸ”Ή Serbia: +1 deaths (now 7) [... want %more?]15:35
LjLwell, all i know is i think the US would be in a slightly better position to cope with COVID if they had a different president now15:35
LjLand i think Sanders would have done better than Trump15:35
LjLso there is that15:35
LjL%cases switzerland15:36
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 11575 cases, 172 deaths (1.5% of cases), 131 recoveries as of March 26, 14:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data.15:36
Justin[m]gildarts: People who support neither probably say that. Among the rest of Americans, both candidates do equally well against Trump.15:36
LjLthat's a lot of cases compared to their population methinks15:36
LjL%wa population of switzerland15:36
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Switzerland | population): Result: 8.48 million people (world rank: 99th) (2017 estimate) β†’ https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+switzerland15:36
LjLwell, at least not as bad as Lombardy. plus, most of them are in the part of it that is... Lombardy, i bet15:36
Justin[m]Any other candidate in either party during the 2016 elections would have done better than Trump.15:36
LjLfair point15:37
bin_bashLjL: yeah i'd have to begrudgingly agree that even sanders would probably do better than trump. he's so meek and ineffectual but he'd probably at least defer to actual scientists15:37
bin_bashand he wouldnt have removed the pandemic response team15:37
bin_bashi think a shit on the curb wouldve done a better job than trump15:37
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:36 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Covid-19 has broken the y-axis on the 50 year historical US jobless claims chart. β€” from WHO at 14:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/nHhe2D15:38
gildartsbin_bash: Fauci has said that Trump hasn't overruled him on any medical decisions. So not sure why people think Trump isn't listening to the experts.15:40
gildartsTrumps MO is pretty much say whatever pops into his head, which might be most of the reason for that impression.15:40
Justin[m]Trump was told by experts in January to prepare for this, and he didn't.15:41
LjLthe EU press conference will be available here https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/press-briefing-by-david-sassoli-ep-president-on-euco-meeting-coronavirus_20200326-1630-SPECIAL-PRESSER_vd   -   i'm not entirely sure whether the times are CET or UTC, would be nice if they specified...15:42
Justin[m]He was told by experts last year to prepare for a flu-like pandemic in general, and he didn't.15:42
mefistofelesJustin[m]: source?15:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, jobless claims soar amid outbreak β€” from WHO at 14:40: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c15:44
Justin[m]For the general preparation there is this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html15:45
Justin[m]I don't remember where I read about Trump being notified specifically about COVID19 in January, but it was also likely the New York Times.15:45
mefistofelesthanks15:46
mefistofelesyeah, to be expected from the NYT 15:46
gildartsBeing notified by "The New York Times" doesn't count as being notified by experts.15:46
mefistofelesgildarts: I don't think that's what Justin[m] is saying, though15:47
Justin[m].... Did you read the article? He wasn't notified by the New York Times.15:47
Justin[m]He was notified by the CDC. The New York times reported on the CDC's findings, and the Trump administration's lack of response.15:47
mefistofelesI mean, if someone is to blame for the lack of response is the CDC15:47
mefistofelesthey really messed up the testing15:48
Strantrickt[m]%data Turkey15:48
BrainstormStrantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 2433 cases, 59 deaths (2.4% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 26, 14:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data.15:48
bin_bashgildarts: i'm familiar with trump more than i'd like and yes, he lacks impulse control and says whatever pops into his head. I never said he "wasn't listening" but he isnt deferring, and he dismanted the pandemic response team despite being warned about the potential for something just like this15:48
euod[m]remember, there's no new tests if you don't test. 15:48
AimHereITYM no new cases15:48
gildartsJustin[m]: Hadn't read the article. Just going on what you had said.15:48
euod[m]mefistofeles: he literally said he doesn't want the cruise ship landing because it'll push the numbers up.15:48
euod[m]mefistofeles: it's all a game.15:48
LjLgildarts, well what is said was not that he was notified by the NYT15:49
LjLso maybe you should at least read *one* of either the article or what people are saying ;P15:49
gildartsbin_bash: From what I've read, the pandemic response team wasn't dismantled, there were several related similar groups that were combined.15:49
Justin[m]The CDC is part of the executive branch, led by Trump. It's actions and resources are dictated by the President.15:50
mefistofelesJustin[m]: not that15:50
mefistofelesthey messed up the biology15:50
mefistofelesin the tests15:50
mefistofelesand then the testing was delayed 5 days or so15:50
Justin[m]They had very little time to prepare.15:50
gildartsHmm, looks like I misread part of what Justin[m] was saying previously. Sorry about that.15:50
mefistofeleswhich is A LOT in this case15:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, outbreak pushes jobless claims to record β€” from WHO at 14:46: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c15:51
mefistofelesJustin[m]: other labs all around the country were already having succesful testing, they just couldn't use them because of CDC and FDA15:51
Justin[m]Yes, 5 days more would have been great. That's why they should have started in January, not March.15:51
mefistofelesso yeah, CDC still15:51
mefistofelesJustin[m]: check the new yorker article on it in the resources in the topic url15:51
Justin[m]Both are part of the executive branch, under the direction of the president.15:51
mefistofelesstill, incompetence not politics15:51
mefistofelesso if these incompetents were the same ones warning the president... no wonder15:52
Justin[m]Incompetence of the president, who did not direct either agency to prepare for this when he was notified in January. Now both agencies are struggling to undertake a gigantic project with a deadline of two weeks ago. 15:53
mefistofelesnot really15:53
mefistofelesbut I'll leave the politics discussion for another time and place15:53
python476LjL: my brain is weak with imperative languages, I need straightjacketing of functional or logical langs15:54
Justin[m]You would be great to work with. Worker: "Boss, we need this part on hand. The old one will break soon, and when it does production will be fouled up for weeks if we don't have a replacement." Boss: "No".  Worker: "The part broke. Production is fouled". Boss: "You are incompetent. This is your fault."15:55
ecksthis channel will make a fine addition to my covid-19 related channel collection15:56
mefistofeleseuod[m]: nice15:56
mefistofeleserr15:56
mefistofelesecks: nice15:56
python476ecks: what's the growth rate of irc covid chan15:56
python476#metacontagion15:56
LjLpython476, less than linear15:57
python476irc is under hasbeen induced self lockdown 15:58
mefistofelesfwiw, I think freenode is more active now than ever in the last couple of years15:58
spybertmuch of it is due to the decline of other IRC networks15:59
mefistofelesyes, but that's not what I meant15:59
mefistofelesthat decline been happening for over 5 years or more, I'd think15:59
mefistofelesjust comparing it to last year even, you can see the difference, probably because of the pandemics16:00
spybertsure, lots of technical professionals are forced to stay home now16:01
mefistofelesindeed16:01
d3c0d3dspybert yes16:01
LjLthe pandemic*s*? have there been more big ones that brought people to IRC in the past couple of years aside from this one...?16:02
BrainstormNew from BMJ at 14:51 UTC: Europe’s migrant containment policies threaten the response to covid-19: The world has watched the growing global health crisis caused by covid-19 with alarm, fear, and desperation. One after another, governments, healthcare systems, and individuals are adopting... [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/bM0hJi16:03
mefistofelesLjL: the pandemia?16:03
mefistofelesnot sure what's the word16:04
tinwhiskersAn outbreak of Ebola is the DRC right now could cause some mayhem.16:04
tinwhiskers*in the16:04
mefistofeleshahaç16:04
LjLmefistofeles, pandemic, singular. you said the network got more active in the last couple of years because of the pandemics so i was wondering what else happened in the past couple of years16:04
bin_bashoh boy tinwhiskers 16:04
mefistofelesLjL: ok, hope it is clearer now :/ haha16:05
sprinklesmefistofeles: LjL is asking you to list the recent pandemics that you're thinking of16:05
sprinklesby name and year, for example16:05
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +194 cases (now 493696), +5 deaths (now 22228), +1669 recoveries (now 119732) πŸ”Έ Germany: +164 cases (now 40585), +1710 recoveries (now 5669) πŸ”Ή India: +1 cases (now 719), +2 deaths (now 16) πŸ”Ή Kazakhstan: +1 deaths (now 1) πŸ”Ή Mauritius: +29 cases (now 81) πŸ”Ή Pakistan: +1 deaths (now 9) πŸ”Ή Slovenia: +1 deaths (now 6)16:06
mefistofelesDespacito pandemic Jan 201716:06
mefistofelesall went down after that16:06
tinwhiskersI'm very confused. 16:08
tinwhiskersBut that's normal16:08
mefistofeleshaha16:08
mefistofelestinwhiskers: I also don't help in such cases, fwiw16:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, outbreak pushes jobless claims to record β€” from WHO at 15:03: Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c16:09
tinwhiskersThat's ok. Nobody can help me.16:09
sprinklestinwhiskers: how much covid19 is there on your tongan island16:11
Birosso%cases egypt16:11
BrainstormBirosso: In all areas, Egypt, there are 456 cases, 21 deaths (4.6% of cases), 95 recoveries as of March 26, 14:52Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Egypt for time series data.16:11
oribaMobility in germany reduced by 45% (beginning 2020-03-12 until about 2020-03-26).16:11
tinwhiskerssprinkles: no cases in Vava'u that we know of, but tests have to be sent away to NZ and we are waiting on a few of those so it's possible16:12
sprinklesah16:12
mefistofelesoriba: so we should be already be seeing the consequences of that measure, right?16:12
sprinkleshere's hoping you avoid an islademic16:12
Jigsy%cases16:13
BrainstormJigsy: In all areas, World, there are 493696 cases, 22228 deaths (4.5% of cases), 119732 recoveries as of March 26, 14:52Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.16:13
JigsyThe number dropped?16:13
JigsyIt was >500,000 yesterday...16:13
pyna%cases philadelphia16:13
Brainstormpyna: Sorry, philadelphia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.16:13
tinwhiskersWell the church gatherings are seating people 2 m apart so I'm sure nothing will go wrong16:14
oribamefistofeles: not sure... I think mobility was not linerly decreasing. And the cases also lack about 1 week because of testing time... plus maybe 1 feek incubation time...)16:14
JigsyI'm trying to imagine how the Olympics would have worked had they gone ahead.16:14
JigsyEsp. if there's "social distancing."16:14
tinwhiskersJigsy: especially the wrestling16:14
JigsyMeans the people at the back don't have a chance of winning any gold medals.16:15
tinwhiskersHah16:15
Jigsy"Please stay 2m apart during the race."16:15
mefistofeleslol16:15
sprinklesthe fencers would have been fine16:15
sprinklesthey've got masks16:15
mefistofelesthey would just test all the athletes before hand16:15
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Zaia, in Veneto frena curva dei contagi - Ultima Ora - ANSA β€” from WHO at 15:10: Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/RjgPkD16:15
LjLgood for Veneto ;(16:15
mefistofelesindeed, good news16:16
LjLbin_bash, oh and yeah they're still using 1m as safe distance here, by law at that16:16
bin_bashwelp16:18
bin_bashthen the spread wont stop16:18
mefistofelesthey are going for herd immunity16:18
mefistofelesflash news16:18
mefistofelesxD16:18
farnWhy does Brainstorm keep putting the same thing at the end of every piece of news? For the past hours it was "How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine" at the end of every piece of news, now apparently the new one is "Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic"16:20
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +229 cases (now 493925) πŸ”Ή Bulgaria: +21 cases (now 264) πŸ”Ή Croatia: +14 cases (now 495) πŸ”Ή Kazakhstan: +2 cases (now 111) πŸ”Ή South Africa: +191 cases (now 900) πŸ”Ή Trinidad and Tobago: +1 cases (now 61)16:21
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gig workers get unemployment in Senate bill, outbreak pushes jobless claims to record β€” from WHO at 15:18: Physical and mental health key to resilience during COVID-19 pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c16:22
sprinklesis IRC a vector for covid 1916:23
mefistofelessprinkles: no16:23
sprinkles;)16:23
sprinklesoh god no16:24
mefistofelesxD16:24
LjLfarn, because its RSS thing is designed to follow one "main" feed, which in this case is the WHO, and a number of other feeds. it always reports the main piece of news from the WHO. maybe it should report something else since the WHO is pretty useless, but i'm not sure what16:24
oribamefistofeles: 2020-03-03 .. 2020-03-24:   long distances -95% (no flights), streets about -40%, in cities, locally (< 5km) -5% (ooops!)16:25
mefistofelesoriba: source?16:26
oribamefistofeles: do you understand german? it's an interview, so text found16:27
mefistofelesoriba: hmm, I'd give it a try, fwiw16:27
farnLjL: I don't even mind what the WHO is posting, I just think that repeating anything dozens of times only adds noise. Can you give it an empty feed as the main feed or something? :)16:27
oribamefistofeles: heheh... https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Coronavirus-So-erstellen-Experten-Modellrechnungen,audio659122.html16:27
mefistofelesthanks16:27
oribamefistofeles: ah, here the page of this scientist: http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/16:28
LjLfarn, i can have no main feed. the idea is that if there is a "big" piece of news, even people who have joined after it was posted can have it posted again (it can also be added automatically to the topic, but that wasn't working so i disabled it)16:28
farnLjL: Ah, makes sense. Yeah, in that case those WHO posts are not exactly big news.16:29
LjLokay, i'll just remove it16:30
LjLactually i put r/worldnews as the main feed now (filtered by keyword, won't post things that have nothing to do with this, ideally), but the feed for it was already there, yet it never shows anything, so i'm slightly perplexed. maybe it'll work, maybe it won't.16:32
Urchin /r/coronavirus?16:35
oribamefistofeles LjL:  simulation results mobility -> http://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/16:35
oribahttp://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/16:37
LjLUrchin, yeah i have that in the list of feeds too. the thing is, partly the bot's rss module doesn't work great, i did a bad job of writing it... partly, reddit's feeds are complicated to figure out. depending on which feed you use (hot, new, top, or even search within a subreddit, although i'm not sure search.rss works anymore), and which ?limit=n you put, it will post too many things, or too few16:37
oribahttp://rocs.hu-berlin.de/corona/docs/forecast/results_by_country/16:37
oribamefistofeles: see links above16:37
oribaLjL: see links above16:37
mefistofelesoriba: nice!!16:38
LjLam looking16:38
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1171 cases (now 495096), +22 deaths (now 22250), +53 recoveries (now 119785) πŸ”Έ United Kingdom: +320 cases (now 9849), +12 deaths (now 477) πŸ”Έ Germany: +424 cases (now 41009) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) πŸ”Ή Brazil: +9 cases (now 2598), +2 deaths (now 63) πŸ”Ή Bulgaria: +4 recoveries (now 8) πŸ”Ή Czechia: +1 deaths (now 7) [... want %more?]16:38
LjLthey forecast a fall in new cases soon for italy...16:39
LjLi'm not sure if that will change with today's report, i'm afraid it might16:39
oribawell, we will see...16:41
LjL%title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.13.990226v116:41
BrainstormLjL: From www.biorxiv.org: Reinfection could not occur in SARS-CoV-2 infected rhesus macaques | bioRxiv16:42
LjLcontingo, yuriwho, dunnp ↑16:42
LjLprobably seen... but i thought re-infection was still an open question16:42
LjLjust four monkeys though...16:44
mefistofelesalso that's just a preprint16:45
mefistofelesbut still nice results if confirmed16:45
AimHereThere's still the question of it maybe being seasonal and mutating enough for a reinfection next year16:46
LjLAimHere, there's a paper showing higher temperatures are correlated with less spread, but not correlated enough for it to actually nearly-disappear during summer16:47
LjLbut we'll see with actual summer i guess16:47
euod[m]awfully, we'll soon have a stock of immune doctors and nurses. 16:47
AimHereYeah, but even if it does go away, like Flu, it might come back different enough to fool the immune system16:47
LjLthe EU press conference still hasn't begun, so i assume the 16:30 time was UTC, not CET16:47
mefistofelesAimHere: so far, mutation rate is lower than that of the flu16:48
LjLAimHere, possible, but so far it hasn't been shown to mutate a whole lot16:48
euod[m]LjL: the immediate counter is, well, it's currently hot in australian and there's still spread. so the claims of it not being a concern once summer comes around is at least false. 16:48
euod[m]%cases australia16:48
Brainstormeuod[m]: In all areas, Australia, there are 2806 cases, 13 deaths (0.5% of cases), 170 recoveries as of March 26, 15:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 7.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries).16:48
LjL%wa temperature in new south wales16:49
BrainstormLjL, failed to get any hits! 16:49
euod[m]27c/81f in Melbourne, Australia. 16:50
LjL%wa temperature in sydney16:50
LjLeuod[m], well that's kinda hot but not the 35Β°C sort of thing we reach in the summer here16:50
BrainstormLjL, failed to get any hits! 16:50
LjLuseless thing16:50
yuriwhoLjL: that paper is not surprising. The humoral immune response (antibodies) seems to fade from 3months-2 years for SARS, but cellular immune response lasts longer. We do not know enough about the immune response yet to craft long lasting vaccines and that is what my vaccine project is about. Many others are working on this too.16:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:45 UTC: Watch: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is holding a press conference on the COVID-19 outbreak, which has infected more than 30,800 people in the state as of Wednesday. β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:45: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/Ynm33616:50
euod[m]it'll be 35+ in a month or two I'm sure. 16:51
mefistofelesno covid left by then16:51
LjLyuriwho, do you think it is likely that being inoculated a vaccine that only works in the short term may prevent later longer-term vaccines from being used in the same individual?16:51
euod[m]no covid left by easter sunday. 16:51
yuriwhoLjL: that is what vaccine developers are worried about16:52
LjLwell i guess i won't rush to get the first available vaccine then16:52
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +667 cases (now 495763), +83 deaths (now 22333) πŸ”Έ Germany: +405 cases (now 41414), +7 deaths (now 236) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) πŸ”Ή Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 189) πŸ”Ή Brazil: +9 cases (now 2598), +2 deaths (now 63) πŸ”Ή Bulgaria: +4 recoveries (now 8) πŸ”Ή Burkina Faso: +6 cases (now 152) πŸ”Ή Cuba: +10 cases (now 67) [... want %more?]16:53
LjLoh crap16:53
LjLthe EU press conference IS live16:53
LjLi missed a play button -.-16:53
LjLpress briefing by David Sassoli, EP President - on EUCO meeting (Coronavirus)  starting now at https://multimedia.europarl.europa.eu/en/press-briefing-by-david-sassoli-ep-president-on-euco-meeting-coronavirus_20200326-1630-SPECIAL-PRESSER_vd - I'll write notes16:53
mefistofelesLjL: please, thanks16:54
LjL---16:54
LjL... To protect it, we must place countries in the position of starting from the same point.16:54
mefistofelestranslate to italian xD16:54
LjLOtherwise we won't make it.16:54
LjL[I'm listening to the Italian stream]16:54
mefistofeleshah ok16:54
LjLI wouldn't want at the end of today to find ourselves with government officials that do NOT take their responsibility up.16:54
LjLWe have a whole planet involved in this, and naturally, we Europeans, and our citizens, living difficult times, NEED to get an indication from European leadership.16:55
LjLI think this is the responsibility of heads of state currently.16:55
LjL(Others) Thank you Mr president.16:55
LjL[I think that may be all]16:55
LjLhow stupid is it to give times without specifying a timezone anyway?16:56
LjLif i see none i tend to assume UTC16:56
LjL--- beginning16:56
LjLGood afternoon everyone.16:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India's streets sit eerily empty during lockdown as global cases near 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:52: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c16:57
LjLThis is a special press conference, as is the Parliament session today.16:57
LjLPresident Sassuoli spoke at the start of the conference from European heads of state.16:57
LjLWe'll answer questions that will be presented today.16:57
LjL(Sassuoli) Good aftermoon everyone.16:57
LjLIt's an important day today for EU institution, and today we had a plenary session, and our Parliament had a remote vote, which was successful in terms of participation.16:58
LjLWe have been able to use tools that enabled our instutition to stay open and functional. We said democracy cannot be stopped by a virus, and democratic process can help get past this emergency.16:58
LjLThese have been days of thinking for finding tools in the medium and long term.16:59
LjLWe know this crisis is not only causing a health crisis but also an economy and social crisis, which will concern not individual countries but us all.16:59
LjLWe have worked with other institutions to find an early answer, and correct certain behaviors that some EU government had responded with.16:59
LjLAn early response came from EU institutions, which we're very satisfied about, with the "package" from the Commission, and the revision of the stability and growth pact, and an important financial intervention.17:00
LjLAt the same time we are very worried about the middle and long term, because we need... "inventions", new capabilities.17:00
LjLWe must respond with extraordinary measures, not just modify existing tools.17:00
LjLThat is why we have called the heads of states and governments to their responsibility at this time.17:00
LjLIt's obvious we cannot be content with the tools at our disposal, but must put new energy and abilities in finding answers that can lead our societies during such an importanrt crisis in our economy, finance, our financial and civil model.17:01
LjLWe asked the heads of state to reinforce a common response.17:01
LjLWe don't want governments to drop the ball, we want them to be aware that no country alone can bear the weight of this crisis, but we must do it together.17:01
LjLSo by the parliament and by my self there has been a call to get a real response from today's meeting, it won't be enough to postpone the debate.17:02
LjLEuropean institutions must bear the weight of an improtant crisis.17:02
LjLWe have also been happy with ---17:02
LjLno idea why it stopped17:02
LjLAnyway i seem to understand the real thing will have to come with a commission meeting...17:02
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 16:01 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: New York β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:01: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/OS94Cp17:04
LjL---17:04
LjLWe've also been happy with choices that were made by countries requesting to become members.17:04
LjLAbout North Macedonia and Albania, things are going in the direction Parliament has always supported.17:04
LjLQuestions?17:04
pwr22<LjL "We don't want governments to dro"> Except the UK... which doesn't need anyone... but US17:05
pwr22And China17:05
blkshpEx...cuse me?17:05
pwr22and India17:05
LjLQuestion: are you satisfied with the EU Council making a step forward towards Albania and Macedonia? Second question from Kurdish TV: Russia is sending aid to Italy to fight the coronavirus and reconnect their historical link. How do... react?17:05
pwr22And everywhere in europe17:05
pwr22πŸ€¦β€β™‚οΈ17:05
pwr22Is there a particular topic of this press conference? Because it seems to not include anything but fluffy political stuff so far17:05
LjLAnswer: Countries outside the Union are currently responding to the emergency our countries are experiencing. Let us not forget the EU has always been prominent when countries have been in hardships, including recently with China. We are satisfied with the solidarity measures coming towards our countries, and in particular the ones suffering the most.17:06
LjLItaly, Spain, but also France and other countries that need support and aid, and I believe in difficult moments, Europe gets back what in the past years it could give to other countries in terms of solidarity and cooperation.17:07
LjLThese characterize Europe outside of the EU itself.17:07
pwr22> * <@freenode_blkshp:matrix.org> feels the UK is being dragged through mud but can't be bothered to read it17:07
pwr22My comments were my own - just a brexit joke17:07
blkshpWell it's rude :P lol17:07
blkshp:D17:07
LjLQuestion: Erasmus students cannot go back to their origin countries. How will EUparl cooperate? Will corridors be created?17:07
LjLAnswer: We asked the Commission to do anything for our citizens and our students in particular, who are around the world and need protection, assistance and the ability to come back.17:08
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +5362 cases (now 501125), +30 deaths (now 22363), +1413 recoveries (now 121198) πŸ”Έ US: +4934 cases (now 73981), +28 deaths (now 1065), +1409 recoveries (now 1837) πŸ”Έ New York, US: +4245 cases (now 37258), +19 deaths (now 385) πŸ”Έ Florida, US: +378 cases (now 2355), +5 deaths (now 28) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) [... want %more?]17:08
LjLSomething has been done. So far the Commission has worked with EU citizens at the time when contagion "exploded" outside of the European territory.17:08
LjLWe will ensure the Commission will keep responding to citizen needs.17:08
LjLQuestion: as the President, do you think the EU is experiencing a solidarity crisis in fighting this pandemic?17:08
LjLAnswer: solidarity never ends. We saw some measures with pleasures, as they corrected some behaviors on circulation beyond borders, of goods especially, and we must do more now, we need concrete solidarity. Our citizens will appreciate any concrete solidarity that our European partners will provide.17:09
LjLA lot of solidarity is needed at this time, I believe, but we are not starting from nothing. We saw countries providing medical equipment, PPEs, and countries hosting serious patients who had serious needs.17:10
LjLWe wish this continues and becomes stronger.17:10
LjLQuestion: Mario Draghi, the former president of ECB, asks governments to aid the economy immediately, since wasting time will cause a recession that it will be hard to get out of.17:10
LjLAnswer: I think he's right, we need an instrument to put our countries in the position to run starting from the same point, sharing. We can't ask countries to spend if this causes an economic crisis, it's the EU right now that must ensure differences between states of countries make things worse.17:11
LjLHe's right that we need to "invent" new ways of solidarity. Extraordinary emergency, extraordinary interventions.17:11
LjLQuestion: What do you think of the proposal about MPs receiving daily wage even if they are not in Bruxelles?17:12
LjLAnswer: our daily wages are about specific needs: it's a form of contributions towards MPs who come to Bruxelles or Strasbourg, and if they do not come, il will not be given.17:12
LjLQuestion: What do you think of the amendments by the League? Can they hinder the Union's response?17:13
LjLAnswer: We did everything to allow the most debate and Parliament participation on what the Commission proposed. I cannot judge amendments, but I wish obviously that nothing hinders this response package.17:13
LjLThat said, the mechanisms in Parliament decisions have been guaranteed as we could under our rules.17:14
LjLQuestion: what do you think about the law plan for an emergency in Hungary without a time limit?17:14
LjLAnswer: I know there were thoughts on all this, and I expect an evaluation by Parliament before coming to any conclusions. We think at this time, we can get past the emergency and the crisis WITH democracy, actually, we want to make democracy stronger.17:15
LjLWith our values, we're sure, we'll face this crisis better and provide better answers.17:15
LjLWe're not convinced by the concept of "stopping" democracy during emergencies.17:15
LjLQuestion: how can member states show more solidarity? I'm thinking of countries that are unwilling to enter a common mechanism, like the Netherlands.17:15
LjLAnswer: I already answered: it would be good to come out of this crisis stronger. That would be good for all the countries. Making the internal market and the abilities of Europe weaker would make everything worse for everybody, including those countries that think they're stronger than others currently.17:16
LjLEven countries that turn their strengths into selfishness must concede that it's best for all of us.17:16
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India's streets sit eerily empty during lockdown as global cases near 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:12: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c17:16
LjLA large part of us must be put in the condition of being aided during the crisis they're facing.17:17
LjLQuestion: What is your position on "Corona bond", and the EMS credit line? And last question, should the budget plan from 2018 be replaced with one more consistent with the current situation?17:17
LjLAnswer: there haven't been any mistakes causing this crisis. This has been created by a pandemic that's touching the whole planet. We cannot refer to past situations. We have a new scene, and all of our countries will be hit, and will have a very strong effect from this situation.17:18
LjLAt this time, I believe the only answer we can give is a European one, that's why we need European instruments, and we need to enable some mechanisms, like the bonds (I don't want to fall in love with these instruments, but check their efficacy), but we certainly need to share the debt that all our countries are going to have, because there is a need to spend money, and as the ECB said, we invite our countries to spend money, to do anything possible to 17:19
LjLprotect their citizens.17:19
LjLIt's only natural that this debt is shared within the EU.17:19
LjLThe proposal on sharing debt via "Corona bonds" or similar things is the right choice in my opinion. Whoever thinks they can go alone does not get a bargain, even if at the current time they are stronger than others.17:20
LjLThe great strength of each EU country is the EU internal market, which we must protect, by putting our countries in the condition of starting from the same position.17:20
LjL...17:20
LjLstarted from here17:20
mefistofelesthanks LjL 17:21
LjLthe highlights are: none17:22
mefistofelesnot much content, tbh17:22
mefistofelesyeah17:22
jacklswalmost thinking LjL is talking to himself in this channel :P17:22
mefistofeleslol17:22
mefistofelesjacklsw: he does, but that's not the case17:22
mefistofelesxD17:22
LjLmaybe i should put it in the topic when i'm transcribing17:22
LjLi'm not feeling great :(17:23
LjLprobably not covid, just meh17:23
mefistofelesLjL: hey! why?17:23
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +441 cases (now 501566), +15 deaths (now 22378), +16 recoveries (now 121214) πŸ”Έ US: +441 cases (now 74422), +8 deaths (now 1073), +13 recoveries (now 1850) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +4 deaths (now 25) πŸ”Ή Arizona, US: +107 cases (now 508), +2 deaths (now 8) πŸ”Ή Arkansas, US: +2 cases (now 310) [... want %more?]17:23
jacklswwhole world's situation is grim17:23
LjLi slept too little yesterday, and felt shitty, today i was feeling better until like half an hour ago but now i feel depleted of energy17:23
mefistofelesoh17:24
mefistofelesLjL: go get some rest17:24
mefistofelesget away from the screen for some mins17:24
LjLi'm editing the transcription17:24
LjLthen i'll lay down and listen to some music17:24
swedebugiaLjL, yeah, rest and shine after, thanks for transcribing :)17:24
LjLugh i can't even figure out at which point the live thing stopped and i rewound17:26
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:25 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Hospitalizations are one of the better indicators of outbreak growth since they occur reasonably close to infection time (unlike deaths, which lag by weeks) or confirmed cases (which depend on testing capacity and protocols). β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:25: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/Ttq0yz17:30
LjLhttps://dpaste.org/5K8U ← transcription17:33
swedebugialook at the curve from ICU in Sweden the last couple days: https://www.icuregswe.org/data--resultat/covid-19-i-svensk-intensivvard/# (its exponential)17:33
LjLswedebugia, kept growing until today they fell?17:35
ecksthere is a small lag in these stats17:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Market takes US job losses in stride as global cases near 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:32: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c17:37
ecksbut the amount of new registered cases was smaller yesterday than on saturday and sunday, for instance17:37
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +2991 cases (now 504557), +10 deaths (now 22388), +13 recoveries (now 121227) πŸ”Έ US: +644 cases (now 75066), +7 deaths (now 1080), +13 recoveries (now 1863) πŸ”Έ Pennsylvania, US: +560 cases (now 1687), +5 deaths (now 16) πŸ”Έ Germany: +2127 cases (now 43646), +2 deaths (now 239) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +9 cases (now 449) [... want %more?]17:38
blkshp%more17:39
Brainstormblkshp, [...] πŸ”Ή Algeria: +65 cases (now 367), +4 deaths (now 25) πŸ”Ή Arizona, US: +107 cases (now 508), +2 deaths (now 8) πŸ”Ή Arkansas, US: +2 cases (now 310) πŸ”Ή Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 189) πŸ”Ή Brazil: +9 cases (now 2598), +2 deaths (now 63) πŸ”Ή Bulgaria: +4 recoveries (now 8) πŸ”Ή Burkina Faso: +6 cases (now 152) [...] β†’ https://paste.ee/p/rrHL517:39
blkshpWeirdly setup!17:39
blkshppress %more 100 times to see UK! lol17:40
LjLblkshp, uh, no17:40
blkshp:D17:40
LjLthe %more command only works once17:40
LjLsecond time, you get a pastebin17:40
LjLclick on the pastebin and there is everything17:40
LjLwell, everything that got updated anyway17:40
LjLwhich does not include the UK17:40
LjLthe pastebin is easier to read anyhow17:41
blkshpNo uk on the map :(17:41
blkshpyes im on it17:41
pwr22tinwhiskers: how's the data looking today?17:41
blkshpBut no good without UK for me :P17:41
LjL%cases uk17:41
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 9849 cases, 477 deaths (4.8% of cases), 135 recoveries as of March 26, 16:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.17:41
LjLif the uk didn't get updated there is no point in having it there17:41
LjLyou can just see it like this17:41
blkshpwell why didn't you just say that :D! thannky17:41
LjLbecause it's in the channel topic :P17:41
blkshpI have no response to that xD17:42
tinwhiskerspwr22: don't know really. It's still only 5:41 am so haven't really looked yet.17:42
pwr22I think I've missed at least one recent JHU data crisis17:42
pwr22Did their arcgis stop being broken?17:43
tinwhiskersI've started my own time series and will switch to that in a few days once it's built up a bit17:43
tinwhiskersJHU = poos17:44
euod[m]arcgis  seems fine now.17:44
euod[m]it's unfortunate they don't have anything high resolution for canada. 17:45
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:45 UTC: Cuomo says 'reckless' $2 trillion coronavirus bill fails to help New York's revenue loss: The coronavirus bill provides $5 billion to New York, which doesn't come close to covering state's projected revenue shortfall, which could total $15 billion, Cuomo said. β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:45: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/pJbkWc17:49
LjLtinwhiskers, did you see the source i posted?17:50
tinwhiskersNo17:50
LjLfreenode/##covid-19/2020-03-26.log:[14:24:01] <LjL> tinwhiskers, https://github.com/jakobzhao/virus should have code to get the data from "WHO, NBC News, CDC, Baidu and etc."17:53
LjLit comes from the new plague.com tracker17:53
LjLwhich is no longer JHU17:53
tinwhiskersOh, yes, I did see that thanks17:53
metreo!data Chine17:54
metreo!data China17:54
metreo%stats China17:54
cews%data China17:54
metreothank you :)17:54
LjLthat's the one17:54
LjLbut the bot seems MIA17:54
LjLmay be due to recent earthquake overload17:54
metreobooooot17:54
LjLBrainstorm!17:54
metreoban the bot!17:55
LjLyeah it's gone17:55
cewsHaving a well deserved rest :)17:55
LjLit's restarting17:55
LjLsigh there is the italian press conference now17:55
LjLshortly17:55
LjLi will not transcribe it17:55
mefistofelesLjL: get some rest17:55
LjLthe numbers are going to be awful17:55
mefistofelesno worries17:55
mefistofelesLjL: you think? or you know?17:55
LjLmefistofeles, i know about Lombardy's being like +900 compared to yesterday17:56
LjLso i assume the national data can only reflect that17:56
LjLalthough Veneto said they are doing better today17:56
LjLbut Lombardy's still the bulk17:56
LjLanyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pezwe5iqOPQ will have the PC17:56
pwr22<tinwhiskers "I've started my own time series "> Ah nice. Where are you sourcing the data for it?18:00
tinwhiskersI'm just using the same collection method I was using for the bleeding-edge data, except saving snapshots at 00hr GMT18:02
LjLBrainstorm,!18:02
LjLBrainstorm!18:02
BrainstormLjL!18:02
LjL%data china18:02
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, China, there are 81285 cases, 3287 deaths (4.0% of cases), 74051 recoveries as of March 26, 16:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries).18:02
tinwhiskersSo the same mix of sources. I've got a couple of gaps I still need to fill but getting there18:02
LjLhttps://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1243221494383226882  police keep making us print a different form each day18:03
LjLgood we need to prove our reasons to be outside18:04
LjLbut they could make things less gratuitously hard18:04
LjLone new day, one new law, one new form18:04
LjLnot everyone even has a printer18:04
mefistofelesI see the woman with sign language moving but not a single sound from the PC xD18:06
mefistofeleswtf18:07
LjL<MacGeek> italy today: +999 recovered, +4492 infected, +662 deaths18:08
LjLmy youtube crashed :<18:08
LjLdidn't get the press conf18:08
LjLdidn't realize18:08
LjLbleh18:08
mefistofelesno audio for me18:08
LjLsame18:08
LjLthought it was my browser18:08
LjLrestarted, but nope18:08
LjLbut also the whole thing just crashed the moment it started18:08
mefistofelesyes18:08
mefistofelessame here18:08
LjLi would transcribe if i knew LIS18:08
LjLsadly i don't18:08
mefistofelesyoutube failing, as usual18:09
LjLor italy failing18:09
LjLokay i have the press conference on Rai News18:10
metreo%data China18:10
Brainstormmetreo: In all areas, China, there are 81285 cases, 3287 deaths (4.0% of cases), 74051 recoveries as of March 26, 17:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries).18:10
LjLraiplay.it may have that18:10
LjLnot sure if also outside of Italy18:10
LjLmay be geoblocked or not18:10
oxalis%texas18:10
oxalissigh18:10
oxalis%data texas18:10
Brainstormoxalis: In Texas, US, there are 1309 cases, 16 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.18:10
LjLthe PC is being done by someone else than Borrelli18:10
LjLso i assume he's still sick18:10
tang3nt_man[m]https://medium.com/@matthiassamwald/promoting-simple-do-it-yourself-masks-an-urgent-intervention-for-covid-19-mitigation-14da4100f42918:10
LjLtalking about cruise ships18:10
LjLtransferring people in other regions from lombardy18:11
LjL+2 today18:11
LjLto Dresden18:11
LjL+5 to elsewhere in Germany18:11
mefistofeleswoah18:11
mefistofelesamazing how Germany can handle all this18:11
LjLthey have the most ICU beds by far18:12
mefistofelesyes18:12
mefistofelesbut still18:12
mefistofelesthey are getting patients from France as well18:12
LjLthey worked with the "FAA" to allow new vectors to transfer patients18:12
LjLGermany is also sending a team of doctors to Campania18:12
LjL39 doctors died from covid in total, +6 today18:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Market takes US job losses in stride as global cases near 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:10: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c18:15
LjL%data italy18:18
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 26, 17:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.18:18
LjLwhy did it not send an update for this18:18
LjLbleh18:18
xionbox[m]US is about to hit more cases than China 18:19
LjLquestion about why +1000 compared to yesterday18:19
LjL(but i'm seeing we have done 37k tests! today, compared to like 26k yesterday)18:20
LjL(which was already the most in a day)18:20
LjLalso, compare to china18:20
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +6800 cases (now 511602), +670 deaths (now 23059), +1005 recoveries (now 122232) πŸ”Έ Italy: +6153 cases (now 80539), +662 deaths (now 8165), +999 recoveries (now 10361) πŸ”Έ Austria: +305 cases (now 6703) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πŸ”Ή California, US: +40 cases (now 3243) [... want %more?]18:21
LjLsays we can't expect sudden reduction, will see the effects of measures in the next days (lol, always the next), they're trying to look at why increment, but they think maybe there are some test results that were waiting from the past few days and were just dumped yesterday18:21
LjLoh so THIS is today18:22
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:19 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 26 Marzo β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:19: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/p6nhbB18:22
LjLgah18:22
LjLand it's actually +6153 because i forgot again that they play with numbers by saying +4000 or wahtever based on subtracting recoveries18:22
aradeshdaily analysis of coronavirus spread by thunderf00t https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4BiJ8h3tDw 18:23
aradeshhe's obviously bored while isolated18:23
LjLtinwhiskers, your data actually has today's update (as you can see above) but the *site* graphs just make it the same as yesterday if i enable nonauth18:24
euod[m]aren't we all?18:24
LjLugh they are subtracting recoveries AND deaths from the "new cases" they give. that's not just misleading but also in very bad taste IMO18:30
LjLthe real data are available anyway, why would they give it this way just to make it sound lower in the press conference18:30
mefistofeleswoah attending a 300+ meeting over zoom18:32
LjLdata by province are available now at https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/18:34
LjLit's definitely Milan causing today's spike :(18:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: States hit hardest by jobless claims, Pelosi predicts more direct payments β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:26: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c18:34
LjL+900 in Milan today18:35
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +626 cases (now 512228), +18 deaths (now 23077), +13 recoveries (now 122245) πŸ”Έ US: +510 cases (now 75665), +18 deaths (now 1100) πŸ”Έ Louisiana, US: +510 cases (now 2305), +18 deaths (now 83) πŸ”Έ Veneto, Italy: +493 cases (now 6935), +29 deaths (now 287), +69 recoveries (now 508) [... want %more?]18:36
Thund3r81rdhello18:36
Thund3r81rdanyone online18:36
ggzThund3r81rd: no18:37
LjLthese civil protection people are morons, and offensive18:37
LjLthey say the curve is looking "okay"18:37
LjLwhat the hell is looking okay when the biggest metro area of milan jumps from +300 to +90018:38
LjLof italy*18:38
LjLand then, subtracting deceased from total of "new cases"18:38
LjLthat's offensive18:38
ggzLjL: do you live in italy ?18:39
LjLyes18:39
CherenkovMy "favorite" by now is the president from Brazil. If you think Trump is dealing bad with the situation, check Bolsonaro18:40
CherenkovLjl: wow, big increase in Milan.18:40
ggzsoon italy will exceed china, then USA will exceed italy and china18:40
LjL%title https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/124323151036860416118:41
BrainstormLjL: From twitter.com: Brainstorm su Twitter: "Io non credo certo che diate informazioni errate @DPCgov, però un po' fuorvianti sì. +4492 infettati, mentre sono +6153... matematicamente ha senso però sottraete i guariti, e [...]18:41
CherenkovSaw one video in reddit showing some hospital in China rejecting patients so they could show that they were having 0 new cases18:41
CherenkovDid anyone else saw something similar?18:42
ggzCherenkov: no but i have no problem believing china are tempering the numbers, like all government on earth are trying to do18:43
slash_I doubt China would be that stupid, but I agree with ggz that they're probably not reporting full numbers18:44
Thund3r81rdwell at least they're starting to let packeges go out18:44
slash_but maybe it's true, but in that case I'd expect the Chinese government to be very harsh to those responsible18:44
Thund3r81rdmcm started shipping18:44
ggzThund3r81rd: covid infected packages ? =)18:45
ggzslash_: what if it's the chinese government which is responsible ?18:45
slash_why would they risk another big outbreak?18:46
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:42 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Charles Ornstein su Twitter: "The U.S. now has 75,000+ cases and appears on track to surpass Italy as the country with the second higher number of cases today or tomorrow. It could also surpass China as the country with most cases (if you believe China's stats.)" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/38Y7yL18:47
slash_the local gov guys who repressed it last time where severely punished by the central government18:47
slash_the CCP might be evil, but not stupid18:48
isvarahparamahkrHare Krsna18:51
LjLisvarahparamahkr, people stop saying that18:52
LjLplease*18:52
Scarecr0wI hate those 2 words even if I know and understand what it means. lol18:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: States hit hardest by jobless claims, Pelosi predicts more direct payments β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:50: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c18:53
isvarahparamahkrHare Krsna18:53
kreyrenCzech republic is enforcing the mandatory protection gear, i was told that just from yesterday police issued a sanction to 16K citizens18:53
kreyrenfee is set on up to 20K CZK18:54
isvarahparamahkrHare Rama18:54
isvarahparamahkrRama Rama18:54
Scarecr0wisvarahparamahkr: I don't think anyone gives a fuck about your rama and krishna. Keep it to yourself mate.18:54
Timvde536 new cases in Belgium today, of which 434 in hospital18:58
TimvdeYup, we pretty much only test severe cases...18:58
CherenkovI also don't believe they would risk a new outbreak, I tried to search for the post I saw yesterday but only found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/fpb9dh/chinese_family_fights_with_hospital_staff_after/18:58
CherenkovThe one I saw had huge number of upvotes and comments19:00
Scarecr0wWhat kinda hospital does that? I understand if there's no room for the patient or patient not being severe enough but, keep "zero new case" record? That's outrageous.19:00
CherenkovI shared this to see if anyone had a clear back story or knew anything about it.19:03
LjLthat is violent content19:05
LjLi'd just like to point that out19:05
LjLi don't know what anybody there is saying19:05
aradeshitaly's graph has been quite linear for a while no19:05
aradeshnow19:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:00 UTC: Cuomo says 'reckless' $2 trillion coronavirus bill fails to help New York's revenue loss: The coronavirus bill provides $5 billion to New York, which doesn't come close to covering state's projected revenue shortfall, which could total $15 billion, Cuomo said. β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:00: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/pJbkWc19:06
aradeshgermany too19:06
aradeshUK's also looks fairly linear...19:07
LjLaradesh, not so linear today19:07
aradeshfor italy?19:07
LjLthe increase may not be super visible but it's an important ont19:07
LjLyeah19:07
ecksno new peak though19:07
aradeshthe website doesn't seem to have updated yet19:07
LjLyesterday: +521019:08
LjLtoday: +615319:08
LjL6153/521019:08
Thund3r81rdLjl: hows the economy in italy19:08
LjL%wa 6153/521019:08
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (6153/5210): Decimal approximation: 1.180998080614203454894433781190019193857965451055662188099... β†’ https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=6153%2F521019:08
LjLThund3r81rd, stopped19:08
ArsaneritWould anyone know a website for an interactive visualisation of casualties on a national or subnational level with a common baseline?  Similar to the visualisations at https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest, but where the user can interactively switch on or off different countries or regions.19:09
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 18:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Russia β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:10: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/Z2ofeS19:12
aradeshArsanerit: this site seems pretty good https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html19:12
Arsaneritaradesh: I know that site :)19:13
LjLaradesh, https://offloop.net/covid19 will give you common baseline charts if you input a number of days into the box19:13
LjLArsanerit, even19:13
ecks40419:14
Arsanerithttps://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US works19:14
ecksthere was this super nice interactive graph on some website but I just can't figure it out...19:15
eckslogarithmic graph that allowed you to highlight the trajectory of individual countries19:15
ArsaneritLjL: Ah, indeed19:16
LjLhttps://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/fp7csh/on_this_day_25_years_ago_the_schengen_agreement/19:16
LjLand now Schengen is practically moot19:16
LjLRIP19:16
aradeshseems madagascar has now got 23 cases. i thought they were going to manage to avoid getting any19:17
mefistofelesaradesh: yeah, even greenland has19:17
aradeshi thought they closed their borders with 0 cases19:18
aradeshguess not19:18
ArsaneritSchengen always allowed for temporary border closures in times of crisis19:18
aradeshi suppose it's impossible to do that completely, in a globalised world19:18
aradeshyou need supplies by ship, etc19:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: States hit hardest by jobless claims, Pelosi predicts more direct payments β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:15: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c19:18
aradesheven if you manage to deliver the supplies without human contact, the supplies could be contaminated19:18
aradeshthe US is looking really concerning, re coronavirus19:19
LjLNYC esp19:19
izup to #3 now19:19
aradeshwell at least they're locking down, etc now19:19
LjLi don't even have the energcy to type the full word19:19
LjLlater19:19
aradeshthe problem is much of the US is doing very little19:19
izusa can't stand not to be #1 :b19:19
xrogaanJust saw this in my feed: https://www.businessinsider.com/kious-kelly-hospital-nurse-dies-trash-bags-2020-3?r=US&IR=T19:19
xrogaanNot looking good for the rest of the US.19:20
xrogaanDoctors and nurses might die.19:20
aradeshand you got loads of people in the USA who think its all a hoax or whatever, so won't take any precautions19:20
ArsaneritWhy does offloop.net have no subnational data for the US?19:20
izwell, it's only like half of the states that are doing shelter in place stuff19:21
xrogaancan the US states close their borders to each other?19:21
aradeshi'm sure they could if the will was there19:21
aradeshbut it'd be a nightmare to maintain19:21
izi mean, i guess they could, but it would be mostly symbolic19:21
xrogaanIs it something they are allowed to do?19:21
ecksaradesh, https://www.visualcapitalist.com/infection-trajectory-flattening-the-covid19-curve/19:21
izit's like the shelter in place thing is really just a strong suggestion19:22
xrogaanIt would make sense if a state just doesn't follow proper quarantine procedures, you don't want people coming from there.19:22
eckser, not aradesh, Arsanerit i meant19:22
izthe only thing they can really enforce is stuff like a curfew in nyc19:22
Justin[m]16 of 50 states. I'm not sure of the percentage of the population - the last I heard was 25%19:22
aradeshnice graphic19:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:20 UTC: (news): The coronavirus may be deadlier than the 1918 flu: Here's how it stacks up to other pandemics β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:20: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/tfe2as19:24
Justin[m]In general states may not close their borders to US citizen. I don't know if there are exceptions for emergencies.19:25
LjL<26xrogaan18> can the US states close their borders to each other?19:25
LjL18<29aradesh18> i'm sure they could if the will was there19:25
LjL↑ not constitutionally19:25
aradeshah19:25
Justin[m]Florida has imposed mandatory self quarantine to anyone traveling there from New York though. I don't know how they enforce it.19:25
LjLbut i guess the constitution may or may not be temporarily forgotten at this particular time19:25
aradeshyeah, that's what i mean. when the will is there it all goes out the window19:26
aradeshwith the will being caused by desparation19:26
aradeshfull desparation mode across most of the US will surely occur within a fortnight19:26
LjLaradesh, the thing is either it gets done at a federal level, or else if a state does it individually, tbh the federal government may decide to just send tanks19:26
aradeshobviously the sooner the better19:26
xrogaanhttps://i.imgur.com/54KIzC2.png19:27
ubLIXxrogaan: not familiar with that tracker. source?19:29
xrogaansure: https://covid19info.live/19:29
ubLIXthx19:30
xrogaanunder the "extra graph"19:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Worldwide cases top 500,000, may be deadlier than 1918 flu β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:24: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c19:30
LjLhttps://is.gd/V1kCcR19:34
LjLstatement by Conte19:34
xrogaanLjL: I don't follow the statement, what are "custom protections"?19:35
xrogaanwhat is he talking about?19:35
tryupHi ljl what does one call those machines that are like dialysis machines but they add oxygen to the blood?19:35
ecksECMO19:35
LjLxrogaan, he means financial aid tied to a system where the country is basically controlled by the EU for a few years... i.e. what happened with Greece after 200819:36
XipHey guys19:36
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +4939 cases (now 517167), +188 deaths (now 23265) πŸ”Έ United Kingdom: +1809 cases (now 11658), +101 deaths (now 578) πŸ”Έ US: +3035 cases (now 78700), +36 deaths (now 1136) πŸ”Έ New Jersey, US: +2474 cases (now 6876), +19 deaths (now 81) πŸ”Έ Michigan, US: +561 cases (now 2856), +17 deaths (now 60) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) [... want %more?]19:36
LjL%cases us19:36
BrainstormLjL: In Alabama, US, there are 449 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 18:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.19:36
xrogaan%cases United States19:37
Brainstormxrogaan: In Alabama, US, there are 449 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 18:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.19:37
xrogaanhuh19:37
LjLit doesn't work19:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as some scientists warn may be deadlier than 1918 flu β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:30: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c19:37
LjLi just clicked on the site19:37
XipHope you guys are well now, it was a while I was on19:37
LjLwe're all alive i guess, or at least our bouncers are19:38
XipLjL, Sorry for the way I behaved when you made this channel. As I said then, maybe this channel will be useful, turns out it became quite big!19:38
zirputhe #covid-19-is-a-hoax channel is bigger. :-)19:38
python476hoi back19:39
zirpui sure hope that drums the trump out of office.  that big dummy.19:39
Xipzirpu: Nuhu19:39
LjLXip, seen worse19:39
XipWell I went up north as I said. I am glad I did not have to deal with this mass psychosis. 19:40
XipTakes a while to kick drugs really, you got to truly be away from everything to see things clearly.19:41
XipI'm going to read the news some now and take it in.19:42
aradesheven if america was souless enough to actually avoid shutting down its economy by carrying on like normal, they'd lose so many people from their workforce due to the virus, and countries around the world would ban movement to/from the USA of people to avoid getting infected, and it'd enormously increase the chance of mutations occurring with hundreds of millions of infected19:42
tryupAradesh has the US locked down all cities yet19:43
aradeshnot to my knowledge19:43
aradeshnew york maybe?19:43
XipLjL, Anything you think I should look into?19:43
zirpuit's up to the states at this point. the Feds cannot be depended on to pull their heads out of the sand.19:43
tryupAradesh what's the protocol for grocery shopping in Italy?19:43
LjLXip, the channel's resources page is now being maintained on github... so if you look at it you can see which links have been added (mostly by me, but often thanks to other people linking them) in the past weeks19:43
LjLtryup, i'm in italy, aradesh is not19:44
tryupIs it coordinated so ppl can't possibly come within 2m of each other19:44
LjLno19:44
LjLentry is limited to a small number19:44
zirpui'll bet i can sneeze further than 2m. :-)19:44
LjLoutside there are long queues, which generally keep at least 1m distance19:44
LjLas 1m is what the law imposes19:44
rajrajrajdTal is a bastard?19:44
LjLzirpu, it's really arbitrary numbers19:44
tryupLjL are ppl told to wash their groceries?19:44
LjLrajrajraj, that is beyond unacceptable19:45
aradeshtryup: i'm in the UK< and people have been told to wash their groceries19:45
aradeshwhich i've been doing19:45
zirpuLjL: it's a start, better than not nudging people to stay apart to reduce the spread.19:45
LjLzirpu, we are told NOT to wash our groceries, pretty much. when questions like these are asked on TV, they generally say it makes little sense19:45
XipI have seriously been off the grid for a while, so this might sound strange, since I am up north in Sweden but - anyone know why Sweden has so few cases and why is it not reported on?19:45
LjLzirpu, we try to order groceries online, so i don't really have the "supermarket experience" in mind aside from seeing the queues outside19:46
aradeshLjL: what's your feeling? to me, i don't want to have packages in my hand that potential coronavirus carries have been handling...19:46
LjLzirpu, but it's very hard to order them online too19:46
aradeshin my house*19:46
AimHereSweden isn't a huge country, and it's not got a land border with the more  corona-afflicted European countries19:46
LjLaradesh, my feeling is it's very very hard to disinfect everything without touching something else in the meanwhile19:46
Strantrickt[m]%data Turkey19:46
BrainstormStrantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 2433 cases, 59 deaths (2.4% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 26, 18:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data.19:46
aradeshyeah, but it's a good idea to at least try right?19:46
AimHereWell it has a bridge to Denmark19:46
LjLaradesh, and that when you live with other people, eventually if they find stuff excessive, they won't do it, no matter how logically sound it is19:46
LjLaradesh, probably19:46
aradeshwell i live on my own19:47
XipAimHere, Sweden seems to be functioning as normal and they did not close borders 19:47
LjLaradesh, well i don't :P19:47
aradeshso i bring my laundry in, clean it in the kitchen, and clean everything i can like my hands19:47
aradeshand door handles19:47
aradeshand the clips on my rucksack19:47
aradesh:P19:47
aradesher, shopping*19:47
AimHereXip, right; they're somewhat slow to get it because there's a bit of distance between them and Italy/France/Spain19:47
LjLaradesh, get a spray can that you can put a 70% alcohol solution in19:47
LjLaradesh, i'm sure you must have a spray bottle for something somewhere19:47
LjLaradesh, that comes in handy19:47
tryupAradesh estΓ‘s evitando verduras con hojas grandes Como lechuga?19:48
AimHereXip, they're probably testing less than other countries, due to the government's attitude19:48
LjLno creo que aradesh habla espaΓ±ol tryup pero podemos hablar en inglΓ©s en el canal todavia?19:49
tryupcome Γ¨ stata la tua dieta di recente? LjL seΓ±or19:49
LjLthe usual, we can find all the usual food19:50
LjLit's just hard to order online because all the slots are taken up19:50
tryupYou're not avoiding greens with large surface area?19:50
LjLyou wait after midnight so new slots open up, but then everyone else is also trying, and the site crashes19:50
LjLif you're lucky you make it eventually19:50
LjLtryup, i don't really eat those tbh... except cooked, which shouldn't be an issue19:50
tryupWhat is the name of the grocery store you order stuff online from?19:51
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +4316 cases (now 521483), +372 deaths (now 23637), +1051 recoveries (now 123296) πŸ”Έ US: +382 cases (now 79082), +7 deaths (now 1143), +1 recoveries (now 1864) πŸ”Έ France: +3922 cases (now 29155), +365 deaths (now 1696), +1048 recoveries (now 4948) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) [... want %more?]19:51
LjLtryup, Esselunga19:52
LjLit's probably the biggest chain in the country19:52
LjLa few smaller chains have just suspended online orders19:52
tryupYou're lucky they deliver19:52
XipSome connection issues, I haven't been here since I wrote last time19:52
LjLi think that's a mistake, i think the government should help supermarkets deliver to everyone19:52
LjLphysical supermarkets are probably among the few "remaining" dangerous places19:52
LjLthe other being hospitals, which is hardly avoidable19:53
tryupI tried to find a grocer that delivers for my aunt....not always easy in every locale in the US19:53
XipI am in a very rural area, trying to set up a mobile connection that works out here19:53
XipHave to go back to the base soon though =) Zero possibility to get any connection there19:54
tryupcome sta tua sorella?  il suo coniuge Γ¨ difficile?19:54
XipI just felt I had to update myself now a bit, it's kinda hard to be isolated19:55
XipIt seems like Stockholm will be locked down in 1-2 days19:55
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:50 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Massive 57% single-day increase in confirmed cases in New Jersey. β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:50: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/4zGrQa19:56
XipSo maybe Sweden will go with the flow afterall, we'll see I guess19:56
XipIf it turns out that Bitcoin is truly a hedge, that it recovers when the stock does not I will use all my funds to help out as much as I can19:57
XipI will think about it this week and what to do19:58
tryupBitcoin is a hedge?19:59
XipWe will see I guess19:59
LjL<CarlSagan> [NPR - Science] READ: President Trump's Letter To Governors On New Coronavirus Guidelines https://www.npr.org/2020/03/26/822049287/read-president-trumps-letter-to-governors-on-new-coronavirus-guidelines?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=science 2020-03-26T14:36:2320:00
LjLcourtesy of yn20:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Fauci tells basketball star Stephen Curry US 'can start thinking about' getting back to normal when pandemic curve falls β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:54: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/In8xvP20:02
tryupAre you worried for the US now LjL?20:03
XipHerd immunity seems to be out of the question, I wonder why..20:04
XipSo it could be that people never truly recover? What do we know about that?20:05
the_owls_are_notWe (the US) are completely screwed.20:05
BirossoWhy is the US screwed?20:05
XipLjL, Do you know anything about that? Thoughts?20:05
AimHereXip, Herd immunity is likely part of the endgame; it's hard to keep a lid on this virus. The question is more how to slow the virus down to minimise deaths and/or wait for the vaccine20:06
tryupHerd immunity will eventually be established I think20:06
xionbox[m]Birosso: not enough ICU beds, not enough PPE for medical staff, not enough tests, no way to enforce a lockdown20:06
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +461 cases (now 521944), +5 deaths (now 23642), +25 recoveries (now 123321) πŸ”Έ Canada: +318 cases (now 3897), +1 deaths (now 37), +14 recoveries (now 199) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) πŸ”Ή Arkansas, US: +25 cases (now 335) πŸ”Ή Austria: +113 cases (now 6816) [... want %more?]20:06
tryupThere will be waves of infection until herd immunity is established20:06
XipAimHere, Vaccine? There's not going to be a vaccine for this for a long time20:07
AimHereXip, which is what I mean by 'slow the virus down'20:07
XipAimHere, Mhm20:07
aradeshXip: there are problems with going down this road. a) the enormous amount of infections you get in a short period of time will utterly overwhelm the hospitals, which will mean more people will die than necessary, as so many people won't be able to get the care they need. another problem is that the more people who are infected, the better chance of a mutation, and then all your hard work is undone20:07
xrogaanEven then, there is no insurance herd immunity would function.20:07
aradeshXip: yes. we may have to live like this for 1-2 years20:07
tryupDo the spike proteins mutate rapidly?20:07
xrogaanThe virus mutated once, could do again and start a whole other pandemic once everybody think it's safe.20:08
aradeshXip: lifting and reapplying the quarantines, while we a) get better at detecting the virus to identify it faster and b) while we develop a vacine20:08
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:05 UTC: (news): Worldwide coronavirus cases top 500,000, doubling in just over a week β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:05: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/ZJYSgr20:08
the_owls_are_notBirosso: It's really just a perfect storm.  Our attitudes, our health care system, our political system.20:09
mefistofelesxrogaan: the virus has mutated many times, not sure what you are saying20:09
aradeshbut it seems quite likely the next 1 year or so, we'll be living in a very reduced economic way20:09
aradeshwe'll get much faster at detecting the virus though, before we get a vaccine20:09
aradeshso we'll detect its spread much faste20:09
mefistofelessurely20:10
aradeshand quarantine the right areas much more effectively20:10
mefistofelesbetter treatments as well20:10
Xiparadesh, Right20:10
xrogaanYeah, what I said was kind of BS.20:10
aradeshwell no not really20:11
aradeshyour point still stands20:11
aradeshall it needs to do is mutate in a way that causes problems again20:11
aradesheven for people immune to the old one20:11
aradeshand the more people who have the virus, the more opportunities there are for that to happen20:11
aradeshwhich is why we need to not let it spread rampantly20:11
tryupI suspect that these by proteins mutate rapidly but any other configuration of Spike protein is far less contagious so we don't notice those unless we do really extensive testing20:11
xrogaanAnyhow, herd immunity helps by reducing the speed of spread. Problem is that with this disease, as far as I have learned, we need nearly everybody to be immune (about 90%).20:12
tryupThese spike proteins*20:12
XipThis virus may be dangerous, people are dangerous.20:12
xrogaanor 80%20:12
xrogaanCan't remember20:12
xrogaananything under wouldn't be effective, and create another exponential growth.20:13
tryupCan we say that this virus mutates rapidly?20:13
mefistofelestryup: the proteins do not mutate that fast, in general20:13
mefistofelesthe nucleotides can mutate faster, though20:13
tryupWhat are the nucleotides?20:13
xrogaanisn't it dependent on the rate of multiplication of those little crap?20:14
mefistofelestryup: so far it is not that fast, slower than influenza A, apparently20:14
tryupDon't nucleotides govern the proteins20:14
mefistofelestryup: yes, but you can have many different type of mutations20:14
xrogaanAlso, why hasn't the flu been eradicated? It's a disease everybody know, every body gets and every body hates.20:14
XipI picked up a telescope today, will spend some time trying to figure out how to use it.. That and fishing, hunting when the sun is up. My girl is coming tommorow, finally I can stop freaking out being alone out here..20:14
mefistofelesah missense mutations changes an amino acid in the encoded protein 20:15
mefistofelesthese mutations are way less common20:15
XipThink I will give it another month and just crawl back into the woods..20:15
mefistofelesxrogaan: it mutates too quickly, basically20:15
xrogaanIs it too early to know if covid can mutate as fast?20:16
mefistofelesso far it isn't20:16
tryupIs it true the spike protein arrangement is rather precarious and would tend to mutate away quickly?20:16
mefistofelestryup: quickly compared to what?20:16
mefistofelesand precarious compared to what?20:16
XipI read some fringe thing that when it will it Brazil something can happen with the virus with their bats or something20:16
XipWho knows...20:16
Xiphit*20:16
mefistofelesXip: what?20:17
xrogaanAnd pangolins have something similar to it. Just stories the news carry around.20:18
Xipmefistofeles, Something someone told me, I don't know. I don't want to cause any panic or anything. I did that first time I was here, not going to do that now.20:18
mefistofelesyes, pangolins are the most probable mid host20:18
mefistofelesXip: no idea what you are talking about, fwiw20:18
xrogaanmefistofeles: basically COVID could go into brazil's bat population and wreak havok20:19
mefistofelesxrogaan: why?20:19
mefistofelesok20:19
Xipmefistofeles, Bitcoin was bootstrapped on Freenode. No one knows what it means when I say that either.20:19
mefistofelesXip: that I can get20:20
xrogaanAnd cat memes got bootstrapped on 4chan.20:20
Xipxrogaan, And porn before that to everything.. that we got here. 20:21
bin_bashi think youre using the word "bootstrapped" incorrectly.20:21
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:08: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9720:22
Xipbin_bash, Realized that. I haven't had a few beer for weeks =)20:22
xrogaanbin_bash: does it involve a piece of cord and a boot?20:22
Xipbin_bash, Let's just call it a botnet.20:22
XipThe first botnet was here. Then they got another IRC server. 20:23
XipEtc.20:23
bin_bashthe first botnet was not here20:23
XipBut Freenode is sacred.20:23
Xipbin_bash, First Bitcoin botnet was here20:24
bin_bashstop making weird false statements20:24
Xipbin_bash, It's true though20:24
mefistofelesXip: source?20:24
XipMe20:24
mefistofelesok, fake20:24
Xipok20:24
bin_bashthe statement doesnt even make sense20:25
Xipbin_bash, How so?20:25
Xipbin_bash, This is really off-topic though, we can discuss this in PM if you want20:26
bin_bashi dont really care20:26
XipFair enough20:26
bin_bashbut to say "the first bitcoin botnet was here" doesn't mean anything. 20:26
mefistofelesbin_bash: then let it go xD20:26
XipWell the early botnets usually had a control center where each client would join as a chat user on IRC networks20:27
XipBitcoin started that way20:27
LjLhttps://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/353720:27
XipAnyway that is long time ago20:28
LjLnot freenode20:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as some scientists warn may be deadlier than 1918 flu β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:24: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c20:28
XipFirst it was Freenode, I tried actually to find source on it now but it is so insanely long time ago20:28
mefistofelesXip: LjL just pointed out the source, not freenode20:29
XipI was there so anyway, I won't discuss this20:29
mefistofelesok20:29
XipIt's off-topic but LjL runs this channel and he decides what we can or can not do here20:29
XipI'm going to chat with some other friends I got here, I got an unstable connection and I got to go soon20:30
bin_bash"i was there when the thing that never happened happened"20:30
bin_bashok buddy20:30
mefistofelessorry Xip 20:30
mefistofelesxD20:30
tryuppSpike proteins mutate rapidly20:31
tryupphttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30404801/20:31
mefistofelestryupp: again, compared to what?20:31
mefistofelesvirus do mutate a lot, we know that20:31
tryuppJust as rapidly as any other coronal virus20:32
mefistofelesok, sure20:32
tryuppHowever you will be led to believe that they don't mutate rapidly in this case because this specific configuration of Spike proteins is very contagious20:32
mefistofelesit seems pretty optimized indeed20:33
tryuppSo other configurations will be less contagious and unless you test extensively you won't noticed them easily20:33
mefistofelesstill, the "contagiousness" (not sure that exist) is not determined by the S protein only, that's not known20:33
bin_bashr0 20:34
mefistofelesin this case, some people are trying to give hints on it compared to previous SARS, since the RBD of the S protein seems to be more optimized for higher affinity20:34
tryuppThankfully Korea did very thorough analysis during its micro outbreak of 201820:34
mefistofelesbut still, not known20:34
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:29: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9720:34
LjLmefistofeles, what did rajrajraj do, for my information, and also freenode staff's information?20:35
tryuppWhat else determines contagiousness?20:35
mefistofelesLjL: https://bpaste.net/EDEA20:36
XipOOT: You know what, this annoyed me a bit. So if I can see if I can find some guys that worked with BTC in the early days, I will set something up so you can get the background about what I am talking about. 20:36
mefistofelestryupp: there are many allosteric effects, and apparently not only the S protein is involved in the binding, as some reports have already noticed20:36
Xip(in another channel, we'll see what one)20:36
bin_bashXip: jesus fuck, nobody gives a shit about your retarded claims20:36
mefistofelesthere are also things regarding how the imune system responds specifically to this 20:37
mefistofelesatc.20:37
mefistofelesetc.*20:37
LjLcews, dTal: please see pastebin from mefistofeles above20:37
mefistofelesbin_bash: calm down20:37
Xipbin_bash, Calm down man what the fuck?20:37
bin_bashlol im not even yellin :P20:38
tryuppWhat does RBD mean?20:38
dTalLjL: hahaha20:38
Xipbin_bash, Nevermind then. I was trying to be friendly. 20:38
LjLbin_bash, chill, you don't need to start swearing so much, whatever Xip is saying, he's not being very rude20:38
dTalI devoiced him for being incredibly annoying and he started hurling abuse by PM20:38
mefistofelestryupp: receptor binding domain20:39
LjLdTal, i kind of thought so when i saw the quiet and subsequent kickban. shall we have a tour of #freenode?20:39
cewsLjL: mefistofeles seen this. He was abusive. Warned before he was muted, then spamming the channels (wasnt muted across all) aiming further abuse at OPs. 20:39
dzhotryupp: are you asking what is a receptor binding domain?20:40
mefistofelesdzho: yes20:40
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Fauci tells basketball star Stephen Curry US 'can start thinking about' getting back to normal when pandemic curve falls β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:33: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/In8xvP20:40
Arsaneritecks: Thanks.  The visualcapitalist "flattening the curve" graph gives me an unspecified error message ("There was a problem loading this chart").20:42
dzhoa part of the protein that sticks to a different protein, in essence20:42
tryuppDzho tell me how this virus gets inside a cell in a nutshell20:42
dzhohttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1616651820:42
mefistofeles%title20:43
Brainstormmefistofeles: From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Structure of SARS coronavirus spike receptor-binding domain complexed with receptor. - PubMed - NCBI20:43
mefistofelesdzho: that's for previous SARS, fwiw20:43
mefistofelesthere are already many structures for the new SARS-CoV-2 in complex with the receptor 20:44
mefistofelesthere's actually a mediating protein in the process, not sure if can be called a cofactor20:44
mefistofelesso tryupp, there's also that20:44
dzhothings are going to be very, very similar20:44
dzhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer_fusion20:45
mefistofelesyes, apparently one of the main differences is taht some residues are now more hydrophobic, I think20:45
mefistofelesin the binding surface20:45
tryuppIs the current spike protein rather precarious? Could it easily become far less contagious?20:45
mefistofelesand the conformation is closed, only in that conformation the RBD was attached20:45
mefistofelesI think this didn't happen in previous SARS; fwiw20:46
tryuppWtf does conformation mean20:46
mefistofelesbasically you can have this complex in two conformations, open and closed20:46
tryuppThis a weird word in English20:46
dzho"state"20:46
dzho"configuration"20:46
mefistofeleshttps://science.sciencemag.org/content/367/6483/1260 the paper is in the topic URL, but here it is anyways20:47
tryuppYou are welcome to tutor me in biology20:50
mefistofelestryupp: I suck at it, but sure, if I can be of any help :P20:50
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +2390 cases (now 524334), +28 deaths (now 23670), +1 recoveries (now 123322) πŸ”Έ US: +989 cases (now 80071), +8 deaths (now 1151) πŸ”Έ Turkey: +1196 cases (now 3629), +16 deaths (now 75) πŸ”Έ Illinois, US: +673 cases (now 2538), +7 deaths (now 26) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) [... want %more?]20:51
dzhotryupp: the essential idea is depicted here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer_fusion#/media/File:Membrane_fusion_via_stalk_formation.jpg20:52
tryuppMe cambiΓ³ el sueΓ±o recien mefistofeles 20:52
python476https://preview.redd.it/ysva1ht8x0p41.png?width=680&auto=webp&s=e6ab0ebce5e028b22b23ecc6bc7f209f2088637b20:52
dzholooking at the leftmost portion of that, imagine one of those is the layer around the virus particle and the other is the layer around the target cell20:52
python476graph of the year20:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as some scientists warn may be deadlier than 1918 flu β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:50: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c20:53
mefistofelestryupp: ah?20:53
tryuppThanks dzho20:54
dzhosure20:54
dzhoon the right then you see how a passage is opened up20:54
dzhothat allows the virus genome, as carried by single stranded, postive-sense RNA to go into the target cell20:55
cews518 cases between Italy and USA20:55
dzhoshortly after that, the target cell starts reading this genome and carrying out its assembly instructions20:55
dzhowhich is to make the virus now, instead of whatever that cell was doing before20:55
mefistofelesdzho: exclusively? really? I didn't know that20:55
dzhoI don't know the extent of exclusivity20:56
mefistofelesoh ok20:56
dzhoI haven't been at a lab bench in > 20 years20:56
dzhoand did chemistry not biology20:56
mefistofelesdzho: physics here xD20:57
dzhoso this is a lot more atoms than I ever really thought about when I was working in a lab :)20:57
dzhomefistofeles: nice20:57
dzhoI knew a guy who worked on SNARE protein so the concept of membrane fusion is something I've at least *heard* of before20:58
Strantrickt[m]%data Turkey20:58
BrainstormStrantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 3629 cases, 75 deaths (2.1% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 26, 19:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data.20:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 500,000 as amid warnings pandemic may be deadlier than 1918 flu β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:56: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZVx0c20:59
dzhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNARE_(protein)#/media/File:Opening_of_a_Fusion_Pore_during_Exocytosis.png <-- a cartoon of membrane fusion showing how proteins might help make it happen21:00
dzhoin this example, it's not infection that's happening, but a way the cell has of pushing things (neurotransmitters, I think, in this case) from inside the cell to the outside of the cell in a controlled way21:02
dzhod'oh I guess we lost tryupp a while back but oh well, maybe that's useful to someone else too.21:03
dzhogave me a chance to try to work through this a little bit with wikipedia as a resource21:04
BrainstormNew from Scientific American at 20:00 UTC: For Budding Researchers like Me, COVID-19 Is a Lesson in Science Communication: The outbreak has made it plain how important it is to explain to the public what we know and what we don’t, clearly and honestly -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:00: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/nuf0Hm21:06
mefistofelesdzho: thanks still :)21:07
jhammonsdata Texas, US21:09
jhammons%data Texas, USA21:09
Brainstormjhammons: Sorry, Texas, USA not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.21:09
jhammons%data Texas21:10
Brainstormjhammons: In Texas, US, there are 1442 cases, 18 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.21:10
dunnpso tomorrow US has most cases?21:10
dunnpor tonight when all the updates are in...21:10
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 20:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:06: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/OkpQbH21:12
A2666Wait until midnight Pacific time, US will be no121:13
pynachecking the news and boy does it seem to be getting grim in NYC right now21:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:13: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9721:18
pynaand it seems to be coming along nicely in the rest of the country21:18
pynareminds me of the william gibson quote "the future is here, just not evenly distributed"21:19
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1258 cases (now 525592), +49 deaths (now 23719) πŸ”Έ US: +783 cases (now 80854), +12 deaths (now 1163) πŸ”Έ Massachusetts, US: +579 cases (now 2417), +10 deaths (now 25) πŸ”Έ Brazil: +304 cases (now 2915), +14 deaths (now 77) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) [... want %more?]21:21
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:18 UTC: (news): Worldwide coronavirus cases top 500,000, doubling in just over a week β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:18: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/ZJYSgr21:25
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:29 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump to revise physical distancing guidelines despite experts' warnings: New York governor rails at Congress for lack of aid After surviving Katrina, New Orleans battles Covid-19 Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/GiVdxL21:37
COVID-19Hangouts> Trump to revise physical distancing guidelines despite experts' warnings21:40
COVID-19HangoutsAny Icelandic friends in here?  Asking because I don't want to live in this shithole anymore21:40
python476NY is already calling for more respirators21:40
python476Trump is prepping his own death bed21:40
blkshpTrump has a hospital in the whitehouse!21:41
blkshpand another ventilator in the car!21:41
AimHereUSA #1.21:46
pynasuburbs have a map so you can see local cases, but this city does not21:46
ArsaneritIs Trump in charge of physical distancing guidelines?21:48
ArsaneritI thought that was up to individual states?21:48
python476good point21:49
Arsaneritperhaps within the White House he is21:50
ArsaneritCOVID-19Hangouts: IIRC Iceland is not the easiest country to move to, but Svalbard allows anyone from anywhere to move there as long as they can support themselves.21:50
gildartsYeah, that is all by states. And Fauci has said that Trump hasn't overruled him on anything, so I wonder what the sources for that report are.21:50
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1243 cases (now 526835), +25 deaths (now 23744), +7 recoveries (now 123329) πŸ”Έ US: +1042 cases (now 81896), +11 deaths (now 1174) πŸ”Έ New York, US: +480 cases (now 37738) πŸ”Έ California, US: +475 cases (now 3718), +10 deaths (now 78) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 501) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) [... want %more?]21:51
ArsaneritWhat relevant formal authority /does/ Trump have on this?  Clearly what he says impacts his brownshirts but formally?21:52
tinwhiskersWell, the USA has now overtaken China21:52
COVID-19HangoutsArsanerit Yeah I've done some research on moving to Iceland, seems pretty hard, I'm in IT/Networking which would make it a bit easier.  Svalbard, man, I dunno if I could ever do that, but being able to go to Pyramiden would be pretty damn cool21:53
aradeshmore than 100 fatalities today in the UK :\21:53
dunnpUSA #1?21:53
ecksyep21:54
tinwhiskersdunnp: yep, the job is not over until the USA is #121:54
ArsaneritCOVID-19Hangouts: the "if you can support yourself" rules it out for most people, it's a very expensive place to live and there are very few jobs or homes there.21:54
dunnpok we can shut this down now21:54
tinwhiskersagreed21:55
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China closes borders to foreign nationals, as global infections pass 500,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:44: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/JdZU9721:56
COVID-19HangoutsArsanerit Yeah and I doubt Svalbard needs Network Engineers, lol21:56
Arsanerithttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/brazil-rio-gangs-coronavirus21:57
ubLIXtinwhiskers: how much work would it be to add a button (on offloop) that changes y-axis from number of cases to percentage of population?21:57
ArsaneritCOVID-19Hangouts: they may need a couple, but those positions are probably already filled.21:57
tinwhiskersubLIX: not a great deal if I had a decent list of populations21:57
ArsaneritCOVID-19Hangouts: I'm told Hungary is actually the easiest to get into formally, within Schengen; they have a severe shortage of highly skilled people because the smart Asians don't want to go there, they go to English speaking countries or Germany preferably, and many qualified Hungarians leave the country for greener pastures.21:58
ArsaneritCOVID-19Hangouts: If you learn Hungarian up to B1/B2 level you should have no problem getting a visa-sponsoring job offer in Hungary.21:58
ubLIXtinwhiskers: if i put together a list of data (with notes on vintage of data) would you consider it?21:59
Arsaneritdecent list of populations shouldn't be hard to get21:59
tinwhiskerssure21:59
Arsaneritat least on a national level21:59
ArsaneritWhy does offloop.net have no subnational option for the US?21:59
tinwhiskersnote that to work properly you'll need the regions as well21:59
ubLIXnoted. will come back to you tomorrow, then, probably, tinwhiskers 21:59
COVID-19HangoutsArsanerit Hmm, that's good to know, Budapest looks gorgeous.  I don't speak HUngarian and it sounds hard.  offloop.net actually *does* have US States again, but not in the GUI22:00
tinwhiskersArsanerit: because John Hopkins removed the state-level data. I'm working on getting some other data in22:00
Arsanerittinwhiskers: oh, I see.  I did see NY data at the Financial Times visualisation and thought they had the same source.22:00
tinwhiskersArsanerit: I'm half way there... 22:01
tinwhiskers%cases texas22:01
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Texas, US, there are 1442 cases, 18 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:01
Arsanerittinwhiskers: Are those these data?  https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-1922:01
Arsanerit%cases montana22:01
BrainstormArsanerit: In Montana, US, there are 71 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:01
tinwhiskersI have those ones in but not on the graphs yet22:01
ArsaneritOk :)22:01
tinwhiskersArsanerit: yes, that's the data22:01
Arsanerit%cases hawaii22:01
BrainstormArsanerit: In Hawaii, US, there are 95 cases, 1 deaths (1.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:01
Arsanerit%cases alaska22:02
BrainstormArsanerit: In Alaska, US, there are 59 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:02
Arsanerittinwhiskers: thanks for the work22:02
tinwhiskersyw22:02
COVID-19Hangoutstinwhiskers is your bot available on GitHub?  THis seems very nice22:02
tinwhiskersit's not my bot22:02
tinwhiskersI just do the data that it's using22:02
blkshpSo they have just done from an operating theatre / OR or whatever you call it, doctors and nurses saying how masks are pretty much pointless unless you use a FFP-3 mask or better and they have to be fitted, last one use of 2.5 hours but other then that, pointless.22:03
Arsanerittinwhiskers: are you responsible for the CSSE Data?22:04
tinwhiskersblkshp: unless you are infected already (whether you know it or not), then it stops you spreading it22:04
tinwhiskersArsanerit: no, God. No. I'd have to shoot myself22:04
blkshpWell that's not what the doctors just said.22:04
tinwhiskersblkshp: it's useless to prevent you catching it22:05
Arsanerittinwhiskers: they have a lot of issues and pull requests.22:05
blkshpBut then i suppose yes, if it comes out in a cough then if you have a cough you could wear one, but then again if you have a cough you shouldn't be going out with one regardless.22:05
tinwhiskersyes, true22:05
blkshpIt's just a lot of people are asking why people are going out without masks, here especially because no one wears a mask int he UK. I have seen like 2 or 3 in this whole time including last week and on my isolated walks this week22:06
tinwhiskersbut let's say you're a smoker or just one of those annoying people who cough all the time. You might not know you are infected22:06
dunnpn95 isnt pointless22:06
blkshpI suppose that's a point22:07
aradeshseems USA became #1 in confeirmed infections22:07
Arsanerit"congratulations" ?22:07
dunnpbreathing test isn't a thing though22:07
Arsanerithow did you get to #1 if you're barely testing?22:07
blkshpdunnp: what do you mean/22:07
dunnpyou can clear N95s in an oven at 150 for 15 mins22:08
dunnp* 158F for 30 mins: https://iheartintelligence.com/stanford-researchers-n95-masks-sterilized-reused-low-temperature-heating/22:08
dunnpblkshp: the deep breath thing isn't a test22:08
blkshpthe hold it and release?22:08
bin_bashArsanerit: easily. 300,000,000 people and not enough tests, so the disease is ubiquitous at this point places that are testing aggressively are getting high positives22:08
tinwhiskersSo that's 70C in real units22:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:04 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump to revise physical distancing guidelines despite experts' warnings: New York governor rails at Congress for lack of aid After surviving Katrina, New Orleans battles Covid-19 Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/GiVdxL22:09
dunnpyes blkshp 22:09
blkshpam i going to have to ask 35 questions for you to tell me why you think it's not a test22:09
pynaso italy went from 1k to 3k deaths in a bit under a week22:10
dunnpblkshp: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/22/coronavirus-fact-check-your-holding-breath-test-covid-19/2891572001/22:10
blkshpah Ty :)22:11
pynai think that'll be a bit of a milestone in the us, when it kills more people than 9/1122:11
ArsaneritI hold my breath whenever I walk past a smoker.22:11
blkshpI hold my breath whenever im passing anyone at the moment22:12
tinwhiskerspyna: yeah, the doubling time for Italy is rising steadily. It's now 8 days22:12
tinwhiskersWhich is a great sign22:12
dunnpnumber of tests in US has been increasing rapidly22:13
bin_bashitaly is interesting because their own mandate doesn't have enough space between people22:13
bin_bashonly 1 meter22:13
jiffeso I've read contradicting information on climate affects on viruses, some say that a humid environment is good because it provides shelter for virii while others say it is bad because humid air is heavier and tends to fall22:13
dunnpcalifornia has done almost 100k22:13
tinwhiskersthe US, on the other hand is 2.9 days, so expect another 80,000 in the next 3-4 days!22:13
pynayeah i we haven't hit 3k by next thursday that would be nice. but i don't have a good feeling about this22:13
jiffeI think the former has more credibility though no?22:13
bin_bashcalifornia is just 1 state dunnp and it has like 40 million residents22:13
bin_bashso 100k is measly.22:13
Arsaneritdid JoeLlama mean to quit with that message?22:13
tinwhiskersthat's a pretty damn sobering number. 80,000 new infected in 3-4 days. Ouch!22:13
COVID-19Hangoutstinwhiskers "So that's 70C in real units" Hey, there's only 2 types of countries, those that use Celsius, and those that have been to the moon.22:14
pynalol22:14
bin_bashLOL22:14
dunnptil belize has been to the moon ;)22:15
tinwhiskershrm. So belize has been to the moon?22:15
bin_bashdid you just google "who uses fahrenheit" to argue against the joke22:16
tinwhiskersancient units for has-been countries22:16
pynait's been to "a" moon!22:16
bin_bashiir bahamas do as well but not sure about other countries22:16
ArsaneritUS, SU, Japan, ESA, China, India, Israel have all had probes to the moon22:16
bin_bashArsanerit: we're talking about people on the moon22:16
jiffebeen to as in put boots on?22:16
COVID-19HangoutsFor real though, USA still using Fahrenheit is pants-on-head stupid22:16
bin_bashArsanerit: and india actually hasn't landed a probe on the moon.22:17
Arsaneritlithobraked22:17
tinwhiskersArsanerit++22:17
bin_bashnah fahrenheit makes complete sense for daily vernacular when talking about human-comfortable temperatures22:17
tinwhiskersno, it doesn't22:17
bin_bash"man it's so hot out, it's 30"22:17
AimHereThe guys who actually did go to the moon used Kelvin, which is pretty much Celsius with the zero moved for science purposes22:17
jiffeyes it does22:17
tinwhiskersit just seems that way to you22:17
jiffethat's kind of what its based on22:17
bin_bashsounds gay compared to "man it's so hot, it's 95"22:17
Arsaneritof all the American unit oddities Fahrenheit is he least bad one22:17
dunnpof course bin_bash 22:17
Arsaneritgay is good22:17
pynathe only NONUSA measuring scheme i really can't get behind is DD/MM/YY22:18
tinwhiskersand when it's freezing, it's.... who the hell knows22:18
AimHerepyna, DD/MM/YY is better than MM/DD/YY but not as good as YY/MM/DD22:18
Arsaneritpyna: Many European countries use stupid address notations too22:18
bin_bashif it's 0 it's really cold. if it's 110 it's really hot22:18
Arsanerityyyy-mm-dd is the only correct date notation (ISO 8601)22:18
bin_bashp.simple22:18
COVID-19HangoutsRFC 3339 yall, YYYYMMDD22:18
tinwhiskersheh22:18
pynayou can't sort ddmmyy22:18
AimHereArsanerit, definitely22:18
pynaor you can, but it's a stupid sort22:18
AimHerepyna, the US version is worse though22:18
ArsaneritCOVID-19Hangouts: the hyphen makes it a bit more human readable imho22:18
tinwhiskersYeah, I tend to use yyyy-mm-dd22:19
ArsaneritNetherlands, Germany, Sweden write addresses as "street, number, postal code, city".  That's as stupid as American date notations.22:19
pynait's better than dd22:19
AimHereHyphen is better than slashes since you can  use it in filenames22:19
COVID-19HangoutsArsanerit I don't disagree at all22:19
ArsaneritAimHere: I use / in filenames, I sort my plots in "plots/year/month/day", one day per directory :-)22:20
pynabadum22:20
Arsaneritwith year-month-day I'd end up with thousands of directories in a single subdirectory, eventually22:20
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +359 cases (now 527194), +16 deaths (now 23760) πŸ”Έ Ireland: +255 cases (now 1819), +10 deaths (now 19) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94), +2 deaths (now 4) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 501) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πŸ”Ή Angola: +1 cases (now 4) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) πŸ”Ή Arkansas, US: +25 cases (now 335) [... want %more?]22:21
oribaβ€˜People Are Dying’: Battling Coronavirus Inside a N.Y.C. Hospital | NYT News  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE68xVXf8Kw22:23
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 21:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ecco il vostro Recap per il 26 marzo β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:26: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/PFhDFa22:28
metreo%data USA22:32
Brainstormmetreo: In Alabama, US, there are 501 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 21:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.22:32
metreo%data Italy22:32
Brainstormmetreo: In all areas, Italy, there are 80589 cases, 8215 deaths (10.2% of cases), 10361 recoveries as of March 26, 21:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.22:32
metreo!stats us22:32
metreo%stats us22:32
Brainstormmetreo: In Alabama, US, there are 501 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 21:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Alabama for time series data.22:32
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Mike Baker su Twitter: "The U.S. now has more reported coronavirus cases than any other country https://t.co/ZqucXYl6sT… " β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:28: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/VRn7f022:34
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Mike Baker su Twitter: "The U.S. now has more reported coronavirus cases than any other country https://t.co/ZqucXYl6sT… " β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:28: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/VRn7f022:34
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +202 cases (now 527396), +3 deaths (now 23763) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 94), +2 deaths (now 4) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 501) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +5 recoveries (now 29) πŸ”Ή Angola: +1 cases (now 4) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +11 recoveries (now 63) πŸ”Ή Arkansas, US: +25 cases (now 335) πŸ”Ή Austria: +144 cases (now 6847) πŸ”Ή Bahrain: +1 cases (now 458) [... want %more?]22:36
LjLBrainstorm, reload covid22:36
BrainstormLjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-26 21:36:47)22:36
LjL%stats us22:36
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, US, there are 82178 cases, 1177 deaths (1.4% of cases), 1864 recoveries as of March 26, 21:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:36
LjLbetter22:37
the_owls_are_notSo we just took the lead and Trump is currently talking about what a great job they're doing...22:38
asimov1hello anybody from Switzerland?22:50
nb%stats indiana22:51
Brainstormnb: In Indiana, US, there are 645 cases, 17 deaths (2.6% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 26, 02:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:51
asimov1%stats Switzerland22:51
Brainstormasimov1: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 11811 cases, 191 deaths (1.6% of cases), 131 recoveries as of March 26, 21:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data.22:52
asimov1CH totally beats Indiana ;)22:52
dunnpvisted last summer asimov1 :) 22:53
dunnpso hot22:53
asimov1yes it was pretty hot indeed22:54
asimov1hope that weather comes back and burns out the virus22:54
asimov1it is really crazy, everything just stopped like in a movie o_O22:54
asimov1dunnp where did you visit?22:55
LjLi don't hold my hopes too high for temperature making this go away22:56
asimov1LjL maybe at least it flushes people out to the streets ;)22:57
asimov1tbh I am not so sure that isolating everybody instead of high risk groups only was the right choice22:57
asimov1it feels surreal and they already printing money all over the place22:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio says at least half a million New Yorkers will be unemployed β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:53: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/dmVhmz22:57
asimov1not sure about CH yet but US, EU ...22:58
asimov1first thing they do is print money22:58
LjLit feel surreal because nothing like this had happened in a lifetime, unless you're 110 or so22:58
asimov1LjL that is also true, did they print money in 1918 as well?22:59
izso USA is #1 now?23:00
dunnpasimov1: nothing wrong with printing money though23:00
AimHereasimov1, they didn't do anything. 50 million people died23:00
dunnpUS needed some inflation23:00
LjLasimov1, well after 1918 germany went in a hyperinflation23:00
LjLso yeah i assume something like that was involved23:00
asimov1dunnp well yea if you have spent everything good for you i have been living like an animal for 10 years now23:01
asimov1to save some money23:01
dunnpand everything is in cash?23:01
asimov1now they will tell me it is worth half or sth and i need to work 10 more years to buy anything23:01
asimov1yep, it is cash indeed23:01
dunnpwell thats just dumb23:02
asimov1what would you buy here 23:02
asimov1every real estate is so expensive23:02
dunnpstocks/bonds23:02
asimov1oh yea stocks bonds will sure go up now23:02
dunnphave to diversify23:03
AimHereThat means they're sure to go down in a time like this23:03
dunnpnot is a great time to buy stocks..23:03
asimov1every event, good or bad, rich get richer, poor get poorer and government usurps more power23:03
dunnpnow*23:03
asimov1it is all just so predictable23:03
dunnpeverything is on sale23:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:59 UTC: (news): Retailers shift production to make masks, gowns for health-care workers in coronavirus pandemic β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:59: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/7xOWZd23:04
dunnpbuy some airlines23:04
AimHereasimov1, not necessarily true. After World War 2, the balance of power went towards more even wealth distribution and a more democratic society, at least in the West23:04
asimov1AimHere even wealth distribution among the poor, capitalism for the rich, I get it23:05
asimov1AimHere I am totally a liberal democracy believer, I will buy anything you say23:05
asimov1AimHere also democratic soviety is clearly a very bad thing if a majority can legislate to cut my legs off etc.23:06
AimHereasimov1, it's true though. The *current* trends are towards increasing wealth inequality, but there have been moments in history when the reverse is true23:07
asimov1AimHere I would be happy if we were just making the right decisions for our respective people23:07
asimov1AimHere instead of just taking democracy as a value in and of its own23:07
asimov1AimHere decisions, events and wealth matter not democracy, and for sure not representative democracy - that is just a joke23:08
LjLlately people take democracy a bit too literally as "majority rule". we've been constitutional democracies, and i see more and more people forgetting that23:08
LjLand at some point it just becomes true23:08
LjLlike now for instance, all these lockdowns are probably unconstitutional everywhere, but we have no reason to care right now23:08
LjLlater... will we care?23:09
asimov1LjL clearly not23:09
fructosehttps://i.imgur.com/jNazsNB.jpg23:09
fructoseLjL: In your face, Italy23:09
asimov1LjL government will get a stronger grasp on us than ever before23:09
LjLfructose, as always23:09
fructoseLjL: We even gave you a head start23:10
asimov1LjL I would be happier to get that corona already than give them more power23:10
LjLfructose, sure, same as pizza, we made it first, but you put pineapple on it23:10
fructoseLjL: That was Canada23:10
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 22:00 UTC: Clap for Carers: UK in 'emotional' tribute to NHS and care workers: The Royal Family joined people around the country to salute healthcare workers battling the coronavirus outbreak. β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:00: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/9awZtE23:10
LjLfructose, meaning that isn't practically just the northern states of the US?23:10
fructoseNah, we're Canada's Mexico23:11
LjLasimov1, i would rather give them more power than likely seeing my parents die from it23:11
LjLbut i understand difference in priorities23:11
asimov1LjL your parents will die soon enough anyway but all the generations from now on will have to live in increased slavery 23:12
asimov1LjL we have become childless pathetic people I have the impression23:12
asimov1LjL thinking about ourselves or our parents instead of our nonexistent children23:12
asimov1LjL it is just sick23:13
LjLparents in the 20th century repeatedly sent their children off to die23:13
LjLi feel that was a little sick too23:13
asimov1LjL boomers were sending their children to die23:14
asimov1LjL that much I know, not too sure earlier23:14
asimov1LjL but know that boomers did that to secure their retirement plans, "the Economy" and the well-being of Israel23:15
asimov1LjL worthy causes to throw your children to death and slavery23:15
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio says at least half a million New Yorkers will be unemployed β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:12: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/dmVhmz23:16
asimov1LjL I think as long as boomers demographics drop it is a good thing for the entire world23:16
AimHereWhereas the worthy cause to let your parents gurgle to death on the floor of a hospital corridor is 'The economy' and 'My inheritance' and 'Not being able to stay away from the pub for six weeks'23:17
AimHereTruly the modern world is turning us into sociopaths23:17
aradeshit's easy to blame the boomers. maybe they made bad choices at times, but now you're the generation in charge. what are you going to do to make sure you don't leave the same mess to your children and grand children? the old generation are now retired, if there's a mess and you haven't fixed it, then what are you doing? get working.23:17
asimov1AimHere I just don't want them to print money and pump inflation that is just sick23:17
AimHereasimov1, inflation is not the economic problem at the moment. Deflation is.23:17
asimov1AimHere stop the economy all you want just stop printing23:17
aethBlaming all of the world's problems on a generation of people, as if the generation did it as some hivemind unit, is the strangest thing I've seen on the internet. And I've seen things.23:18
asimov1AimHere God bless deflation23:18
asimov1aeth proteins do not have a hivemind and yet they execute your entire life literally23:18
asimov1aeth I am not saying they did that on purpose but for whatever reason the genetic makeup + environment + propaganda made those people act in such unison in destroying the entire world23:19
aethasimov1: The same incentive structures will exist no matter the age of the people making the decisions.23:19
fltrzAimHere, I don't mind them printing more money, as long as it is distributed directly and equally among the population...23:19
AimHereI think there's a lot of agreement that there is a selfish element to the way boomers are acting as a voting bloc23:19
bin_bashspoiler: animals are selfish (humans are animals)23:20
AimHereI'm not sure that letting millions of them die for the sake of a few weeks home confinement is the proportionate response though23:20
asimov1fltrz or that23:20
aethAimHere: And if you were part of the largest voting bloc, then all of the propaganda and pandering would be to you instead and nothing of substance would change.23:20
asimov1fltrz or just give us basic income forever already23:20
fltrzAimHere, right agreed, if they deserve something then that should happen through the legal system, not by some random calamity23:21
aethAimHere: It's like watching a channel aimed at a different demographic and of course none of the commercials work on you. You're not the target audience. But marketing works in general.23:21
fltrzasimov1, you know what happens if everyone gets basic income?23:21
asimov1AimHere low IQ, low education, low character boomers own all the power23:21
BruntLIVEwe are being exterminated as a species 23:21
AimHereaeth, yeah, Politics is very broken. Occasional calamities - like the world wars, or the great depression, or probably this pandemic, tend to fix things a bit23:21
aethtends to buy a few decades, yes23:22
asimov1AimHere old pricks who have been for decades in business with the worst filth criminals23:22
aradeshasimov1: this isn't really the right channel for this topic. how about ##truth?23:22
asimov1AimHere should be kicked out of politics along with their kids23:22
LjLAimHere, to be fair although i mostly share your point of view it isn't likely to be "a few weeks"23:22
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +2452 cases (now 529848), +230 deaths (now 23993), +35 recoveries (now 123364) πŸ”Έ US: +434 cases (now 82612), +7 deaths (now 1184) πŸ”Έ Spain: +1439 cases (now 57786), +211 deaths (now 4365) πŸ”Έ Germany: +292 cases (now 43938), +5 deaths (now 267) πŸ”Έ Colorado, US: +344 cases (now 1430), +5 deaths (now 24) πŸ”Ή Australia: +179 cases (now 2985) [... want %more?]23:22
asimov1aradesh I think it is a pretty good channel to wish Corona happy harvest on the boomers 23:22
LjLasimov1, you're taking it a tad too far23:23
LjLi am known for being annoyed at people who disagree with me, but also, people who bluntly wish others death23:23
LjLand just your luck, you are doing both23:23
aradeshasimov1: the very people you purport to hate, those who you purport to be aiming to destroy your life, are the same ones who want to 'divide and conquer'. they want to break down your families, right? well they're working. they've turned you against your own parents generation.23:23
aradeshwe should all stick together23:24
aethasimov1: As I said, the reason the Boomers act stupidly in their voting is because they actually vote (unlike your age range) so all of the pandering is done to them. If a different bloc is the largest one, of fucking course the propaganda shifts to that bloc and then that bloc starts acting stupidly, and nothing of substance changes. So the net effect is millions die and nothing politically changes.23:24
asimov1aradesh I don't hate anybody I just wish what is best for my people23:24
LjLaradesh, i think these are very fair topics for here because this virus, as we can see, is very deeply connected to current politics and likely a turning point23:24
aradeshthat isn't achieved by turning against our ancestors23:24
LjLwhat i don't want to see is death wishes23:24
asimov1aradesh and in this case the best is to move the greedy, selfish, uneducated, low iq pricks away from power ... one way or another23:24
bin_bashhating boomers is soooo passe23:25
Biep[m]<Scarecr0w "What kinda hospital does that? I"> Sounds typically communist-Chinese.23:25
aethasimov1: If you think that greedy, selfish, incredibly-well-educated (not uneducated), probably-above-median IQ (not low IQ) pricks are going to lose power because of a pandemic, you're very mistaken.23:26
aradeshit's quite a pathehtic stance to be blaming historic events out of your control, wishing someone in the past had solved the world's woes on your behalf.23:26
aradeshyou call them lazy23:26
asimov1aradesh you get a ball or prison for life for trying to solve anything in the US23:27
asimov1aradesh or if you are lucky you just get your life destroyed by accusations of some sort of extremism23:27
aradeshthen be more imaginative, be cleverer, work harder.23:27
asimov1aradesh sounds exactly like what the slave owners would like us to do... work harder23:28
bin_bashasimov1: if u hate it so much then try venezuela23:28
fructosearadesh: Many of the world's problems have been quite foreseeable and really should have been solved by people already. It's of course stupid to attribute that to people based on age.23:28
aradeshasimov1: ok. then don't do anything, just complain on the internet.23:29
LjLyes, join the club23:29
asimov1aradesh I want to be productive23:29
asimov1aradesh and decide on some actionables here with you23:29
xrogaanasimov1: a disease doesn't care about your IQ, your age or political leaning.23:29
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 22:23 UTC: Clap for Carers: UK in 'emotional' tribute to NHS and care workers: The Royal Family joined people around the UK to salute healthcare workers battling the virus outbreak. β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:23: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/9awZtE23:29
aradeshif you want to improve the world, a good place to start is by starting a family, and bringing them up well.23:29
asimov1aradesh what should be our next step to move away boomers and the establishment from power23:29
aradeshthen you'll have more people who want to help the world.23:29
asimov1aradesh and reestablish the constitutional democracy23:30
aradeshi.e, your children23:30
asimov1aradesh where I leave you cannot homeschool kids just like that, the propaganda ride is obligatory23:30
asimov1*live23:30
bin_bashwhere do you live asimov1 23:30
asimov1bin_bash Switzerland23:30
bin_bashthen why are you complaining about the US23:30
asimov1bin_bash because US pretty much decides what happens in Europe23:31
aethasimov1: The establishment won't lose power even if every Boomer disappeared in a magical Thanos snap next minute. Well, I mean, except the Boomers who are in the establishment, so let's say Thanos excludes them. They'll just shift their pandering and propaganda to stay in power because their job is literally to stay in power.23:31
asimov1bin_bash has been for decades, Europe is basically US's bitch23:31
LjLnot after this i don't think so23:31
xrogaanSwitzerland is probably the most democratic place around!23:31
bin_bashyeah the world is our bitch23:31
asimov1xrogaan appearances23:32
LjLi want everybody who thinks their tone is a bit too out there to bring it a bit more in here23:32
aradeshasimov1: well... you could probably move not very far to a country that does allow it23:32
asimov1xrogaan TV decides how people vote and they vote how Markel orders23:32
prometheusbin_bash: not for much more23:32
asimov1xrogaan yes I know.. why Frau Merkel you would ask23:32
asimov1xrogaan I was shocked as well lol23:32
asimov1xrogaan but indeed this is the case, the European Union just every single time23:33
asimov1xrogaan menaces that they will cut off our land borders23:33
bin_bashprometheus: 50/50 it goes 1 of 2 ways: we end up better off than we were, or we end up about the same as we were if/when this blows over.23:33
asimov1xrogaan and we just do absolutely everything they say, like... everything23:33
LjLaradesh, right now we aren't moving anywhere, and i wouldn't take it for granted that it will go back to being very easy... at least if a good vaccine isn't found pretty sure, but even if it is, i'm still not sure23:33
bin_bashnet exporter of food23:33
bin_bashnet exporter of energy23:33
bin_bashwe'll be fine lol23:33
aradeshLjL: well he might get a chance within a few years :P23:33
aradeshLjL: well actually, there's not a serious problem there if his issue is home schooling. the schools are closed anyway23:34
aradeshso either the pandemic lifts and schools reopen, in which case he can move23:34
aradeshor schools are shut, and he has no problem23:34
prometheusbin_bash: how about China's role in this brave new world?23:34
asimov1aradesh France yes but France is such a shithole lol it is literally a fallen state23:35
aradeshasimov1: to be honest i agree with some of your assessments, i just don't really like blaming the older generations. when you were an average westerner in the 50's and 60's, you had your information fed to you by the TV... and very few people actually had any other option to find things out23:35
asimov1aradesh weak and incompetent president Macron just keeps beating the citizens in the streats for 1.5 years now23:35
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +507 cases (now 530355), +14 deaths (now 24007) πŸ”Έ Washington, US: +393 cases (now 2981), +13 deaths (now 145) πŸ”Έ US: +404 cases (now 83016), +13 deaths (now 1197) πŸ”Ή Antigua and Barbuda: +4 cases (now 7) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +1 deaths (now 9) πŸ”Ή Australia: +185 cases (now 2991) πŸ”Ή Bahamas: +4 cases (now 9) πŸ”Ή Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 191) [... want %more?]23:35
asimov1aradesh that is true but since they knew sh* and now also know sh* the average voter boomer should just stfu23:36
bin_bashprometheus: we'll see how things keep going23:36
LjL%cases us23:36
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, US, there are 83016 cases, 1197 deaths (1.4% of cases), 1864 recoveries as of March 26, 22:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.23:36
bin_bashthey're certainly not getting anymore popular and the people are getting more angry so we'll see23:36
aradeshasimov1: even if you got rid of all old people in politics, you'd just have loads of macrons23:36
LjLhey look23:36
LjL"shit" is a word23:36
bin_bashand AOC :puke:23:36
xrogaangeopolitics, mkay?23:36
asimov1aradesh might be true but we need not to be so defetist, need to think constructively23:37
LjLif you think you're a bit over the top, don't say it, and don't say other things in a way that is aggressive23:37
asimov1aradesh again what are our actionables23:37
LjLif you don't, then just say it, "shit", here, easy23:37
asimov1aradesh just producing the next generation of slaves doesn't seem optimal... at all23:37
darcyc[m]Maybe not now23:37
aradeshproducing the next generation is always important.23:38
aradeshregardless of anything else23:38
aradeshproducing them, and bringing them up well*23:38
darcyc[m]Perhaps23:38
asimov1aradesh that is actually false because concentrating wealth and actually becoming a minority23:38
aradeshotherwise, you could get into politics23:38
darcyc[m]But in this situation producing new generation23:38
asimov1aradesh counterintuitively gives you more power in the modern PC world23:38
asimov1aradesh well onkly that minority part is conterintuitive23:39
aradeshchina is pretty powerful23:39
darcyc[m]They will need to deal with all the Fucking problems around23:39
bin_bashprometheus: https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB11EGDk.img?h=624&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f23:39
asimov1aradesh you cannot discriminate against the majority according to leftists pretty much, so being in majority is the worst shit that can happen to you23:39
aradeshasimov1: they don't seem to apply that logic to south africa23:40
aradeshthere it's perfectly ok to discriminate againts a minority23:40
darcyc[m]Not true23:40
darcyc[m]Not true23:40
asimov1aradesh well one thing you should keep in mind that leftists actually do not use logic23:40
prometheusbin_bash: of course you're better in that aspect. They have to feed 1.4 billion people.23:41
LjLi said politics was fine before, and in general i'd say it is, as long as it's related to covid23:41
asimov1aradesh they will just say and do whatever is necessary to get power and rid of straight white males23:41
aradeshyup23:41
LjLi think it's going a bit too far now and with tones that are a bit too strong23:41
LjLi would like you all to drop the subject for now23:41
aradeshyeah ##truth is better for discussion on fixing the planet23:41
aradesh:P23:41
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:35 UTC: Coronavirus US live: US now has more cases than any other country: US now has 82,404 confirmed cases, according to tracker New York governor rails at Congress for lack of aid After surviving Katrina, New Orleans battles Covid-19 Record 3.3 million Americans file for unemployment See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/GiVdxL23:41
asimov1we could always put the situation in south africa in the context of the corona23:41
asimov1will it change thanks to covid23:42
LjLno, just drop the politics for now23:42
asimov1will the majority get disproportioately more infected23:42
asimov1and ... decrease a tiny bit?23:42
asimov1hehe23:42
asimov1LjL are you some kind of mod here?23:42
LjLi guess opping up wasn't a clue23:42
LjLbingo, you guessed it23:42
LjLmhm23:43
darcyc[m]:)23:43
aradeshthat sort of conversation is normal in ##truth that's why i suggested he go there23:43
aradeshoh dear23:44
LjLasi2, evading bans is against freenode policy23:44
bin_bashprometheus: that chart is per capita net import/export23:44
prometheusbin_bash: How about your efficiency in containing the virus? They seem to be very effective and they have a disciplined population unlike us (Europeans) and you. 23:46
bin_bashwell the reality is we don't actually know how effective they are since we cant really trust the information coming out23:46
bin_bashso time will tell really23:47
bin_bashit'll really depend on who ends up dying23:47
bin_bashwe'll see in 6 months23:47
asi2d23:48
bin_bashi definitely think more people will die here because muh freedumbs and unfortunately it won't entirely be social darwinism, as innocents like delivery personnel, doctors, etc will perish due to the shortages23:48
asi2do you guys drink fishtank water to get rid of the virus?23:48
prometheusbin_bash: partially true since you're implying that the measures we're taking now may be totally useless23:49
bin_bashbut i think overall we're much better equipped to handle this with regards to resource independence23:49
prometheusbin_bash: what I'm saying is that they're better in taking and implementing measures23:49
bin_bashtheyre better at abusing their citizens into cooperation, sure23:50
prometheusbin_bash: and they also provide with supplies several other countries, this will pay off later for sure23:50
bin_bashyeah supplies they stole from australia23:50
bin_bashand it's obvious that the only reasont theyre helping other countries is because they want to be seen as the heroes in this, rather than the perpetrators23:51
prometheusyeah true, I'm not saying they're good. Nobody is. I'm saying that they're effective and what they're doing.23:52
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +272 cases (now 530627), +6 deaths (now 24013), +2 recoveries (now 123366) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +16 cases (now 517) πŸ”Ή Antigua and Barbuda: +4 cases (now 7) πŸ”Ή Argentina: +1 deaths (now 9) πŸ”Ή Australia: +185 cases (now 2991) πŸ”Ή Austria: +51 cases (now 6898) πŸ”Ή Bahamas: +4 cases (now 9) πŸ”Ή Bermuda: +8 cases (now 15) [... want %more?]23:52
bin_bashprometheus: maybe they are, maybe theyre not idk time will tell. i hope they are actually making progress on things23:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:51 UTC: US now has more coronavirus cases than either China or Italy: Major outbreaks in so-called hot spots such as New York threaten to overwhelm the local hospital systems, which have a limited number of beds, staff and equipment. β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:51: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/nwwHTB23:54
prometheusbin_bash: I hope everybody is making progress. But we should realize that the world will be different after this (if there is an "after").23:55
bin_bashoh yeah for sure23:55
bin_bashi feel bad for people who are due to give birth soon23:55
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