| IronY | no further tests needed lol | 00:00 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet at 00:00 UTC: [World Report] Venezuelan migrants “struggling to survive” amid COVID-19: Humanitarian organisations are concerned that border closures and health-care shortages are amplifying the challenges posed by COVID-19. Joe Parkin Daniels reports from Bogotá. — from r/WorldNews at 00:00: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/DnpXvR | 00:03 |
| dzho | is anyone testing putatively recovered patients other than maybe China and South Korea? | 00:03 |
| LjL | i think we're testing them | 00:04 |
| LjL | but i might be wrong | 00:04 |
| LjL | i hope i'm not wrong | 00:04 |
| IronY | I recommend u don't look into it | 00:04 |
| LjL | mhm | 00:04 |
| stiophan | Why hasn't this virus been seen before this or is the mutation only appearing now it moved to humans | 00:05 |
| berndj | stiophan, it seems to have moved to humans only very recently, like november 2019 | 00:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +216 cases (now 593841), +5 deaths (now 27219), +6 recoveries (now 132526) 🔸 California, US: +212 cases (now 4671), +3 deaths (now 93) 🔹 Afghanistan: +16 cases (now 110) 🔹 Alabama, US: +56 cases (now 587), +2 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Albania: +12 cases (now 186), +2 deaths (now 8), +14 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Algeria: +42 cases (now 409), +1 deaths (now 26) [... want %more?] | 00:06 |
| stiophan | Seems unusual that a virus would suddenly only appear now (please no conspiricies) | 00:07 |
| IronY | stiophan: thats how every virus ever has ever worked | 00:07 |
| pwr22 | <stiophan "Seems unusual that a virus would"> That's a reductionist argument | 00:07 |
| stiophan | Is this Virus new to nature? | 00:07 |
| pwr22 | It's uncommon but it always must start somewhere | 00:07 |
| IronY | stiophan: I do not mean to be rude but maybe a 5 min 'what is a virus' video on youtube may be appropriate | 00:08 |
| dzho | I was surprised to learn how recently, in terms of recorded history, polio appeared. | 00:08 |
| stiophan | So it always existed in the other species that someone in a Chinese market got infected by | 00:08 |
| ryouma | stiophan: many viruses come from animals to humans. like sars1, mers, hiv (whether standard theory or the the river theory). | 00:08 |
| berndj | stiophan, every novel virus has to appear at some time | 00:08 |
| pwr22 | Viruses are always changing | 00:08 |
| pwr22 | Constantly | 00:09 |
| IronY | I like the Joe Rogan guys answer | 00:09 |
| stiophan | So CVD19 is a mutation on an already known Virus | 00:09 |
| IronY | "Humans wish they could be this creative with a virus" | 00:09 |
| ryouma | stiophan: is it? it is a jhumping of species at least | 00:09 |
| berndj | it seems related to SARS (the original) | 00:10 |
| ryouma | non-human animals* | 00:10 |
| pwr22 | <ryouma "still trying to digest the meani"> Just ignore that bit of it 😭 | 00:10 |
| stiophan | What makes this mutation different apart from human infection. How did it impact the original host | 00:10 |
| ryouma | :) | 00:10 |
| IronY | berndj: 80%, how much DNA do you think u share with a cat? | 00:10 |
| berndj | but i haven't seen anything indicating whether it's a "child" of SARS or a "cousin" | 00:10 |
| IronY | ur 96% cat | 00:10 |
| ryouma | pwr22: then it becomes that is an argument | 00:11 |
| berndj | IronY, how much does it have in common with MERS? | 00:11 |
| ryouma | /j | 00:11 |
| stiophan | I know SARs was both more deadly but less contagious and you could not be a hidden spreader | 00:11 |
| stiophan | MERs came from camels? | 00:12 |
| dzho | mammalian genomes are gigabases in size, these virus genomes mere kilobases in size | 00:12 |
| IronY | https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-genome-close-to-sars-originated-in-bats-2020-2 | 00:12 |
| stiophan | Hence its localised nature where camels are a familiar species | 00:12 |
| ryouma | just curious why the last letter is in a different case there? | 00:12 |
| ryouma | theya re not plurals | 00:12 |
| dzho | so the scope for variation is a lot different at any given percentage of similarity | 00:12 |
| IronY | dzho: percentages take that into account ;) | 00:13 |
| IronY | if ur doing an apples to apples comparison that is | 00:13 |
| stiophan | so if SARs existed in BATs then CVD19 must also been a known virus in Bats (presuming they could be infected by it) | 00:14 |
| dzho | consider a single nucleotide difference in 4% of 2 gigabases, versus a single nucleotide difference in 4% of 8 kilobases | 00:14 |
| dzho | are those the same number or different numbers? | 00:14 |
| IronY | dzho: Yes I understand there is way more | 00:14 |
| IronY | but if your comparing a virus to a virus | 00:14 |
| IronY | and a mammal to a mammal | 00:14 |
| IronY | it is the best comparison I could give | 00:14 |
| IronY | obviously I would not compare a mammal to a virus | 00:14 |
| stiophan | As far as I know the original chinese hose was not a bat (am I wrong?) | 00:15 |
| IronY | stiophan: Are you just trying to make convo or? | 00:15 |
| dzho | pangolins | 00:15 |
| IronY | you seem to be asking questions you have the answers for in the next question lol | 00:15 |
| IronY | I mean I dig it | 00:15 |
| IronY | just curious | 00:15 |
| stiophan | If chinese were eating this bushmeat before at it has CVD19 then how come no previous infection | 00:16 |
| IronY | what is 4 + 6 | 00:16 |
| bin_bash | it's like at least 10 bro | 00:17 |
| IronY | Lol. well, ur not a bot | 00:17 |
| IronY | the other guy I am not so sure | 00:17 |
| bin_bash | hah | 00:17 |
| bin_bash | fair enough | 00:17 |
| stiophan | If the 1918 flu virus mutated at the end to avoid killing its host then will CVD19 also not do the same and why no mutation already as the 1918 pandemic | 00:19 |
| LjL | that question seems like it's based on some dodgy assumptions | 00:20 |
| IronY | its a bot | 00:20 |
| berndj | is there an all-encompassing phylogenetic tree for all (or at least the vast bulk of) viruses? | 00:20 |
| stiophan | If the 1918 pandemic virus was more deadly and CVD19 is less deadly (for most), will this mean the virus will not self mutate to avoid killing off its host | 00:21 |
| berndj | stiophan, just think, the ultimate virus would be entirely asymptomatic. we'd never know it's there! so it would just spread as far as our natural immune systems allowed it to | 00:22 |
| stiophan | And turn into a less deadly virus | 00:22 |
| berndj | stiophan, i've seen that claim made in multiple places, but haven't seen a solid argument for why it must necessarily be so | 00:22 |
| IronY | Lol | 00:22 |
| IronY | stiophan: whats the second letter in the world: marry | 00:23 |
| IronY | word that is | 00:23 |
| dzho | he | 00:23 |
| dzho | h | 00:23 |
| LjL | stiophan, this virus isn't even infectious for most people by the time they're dying | 00:24 |
| stiophan | Except any ultimate virus would either take over its host or use up all its resources in self replicating and any ultimate virus would be able to avoid any defence measures | 00:24 |
| LjL | it's infectious when they first get symptoms | 00:24 |
| LjL | which is pretty ideal for a virus tbh | 00:24 |
| IronY | Guys, I wont bring it up again, but your talking to a not real thing | 00:24 |
| IronY | lol | 00:24 |
| LjL | because they are still mostly healthy, just sick enough to be coughing around other people | 00:24 |
| LjL | IronY, who are you Alan Turing? | 00:24 |
| IronY | LjL: Nope just a programmer lol | 00:25 |
| stiophan | Can the virus last on a dead person any longer than any surface once the host is no longer breathing, sweating and its blood has coagulated | 00:25 |
| LjL | okay fair enough | 00:25 |
| LjL | stiophan, answer this question or i'll have to ban you: how much is three plus four? | 00:25 |
| berndj | stiophan, any virus that goes so overboard quickly attracts the scrutiny of human ingenuity | 00:25 |
| stiophan | 7 | 00:26 |
| IronY | fuuucck | 00:26 |
| IronY | so why u trolling though | 00:26 |
| LjL | well "seven" would have been more appropriate | 00:26 |
| dzho | nice | 00:26 |
| LjL | but that'll pass | 00:26 |
| berndj | if a virus is "too good" (too deadly, too fast, too infectious), humans swoop in and kill it by hook or by crook | 00:26 |
| IronY | Ur questions started at , guys whats a virus, and now were on advanced virology | 00:26 |
| IronY | a few more mins and I wont understand the topic material lol | 00:26 |
| dzho | another consideration is that the host populations, by successive exposure to variants of a given virus, will build up at least partial immunity, as best I understand it | 00:27 |
| stiophan | Any virus that good would kill or take over its host as there would be no defence to its propagation | 00:27 |
| dzho | "take over" | 00:28 |
| dzho | this isn't Invasion of the Body Snatchers | 00:28 |
| berndj | there's probably a wasp somewhere that can do that | 00:28 |
| dzho | they're just viruses. | 00:28 |
| dzho | they make us make more viruses, that's it | 00:28 |
| IronY | This is a novel virus, this is not really a novel situation | 00:28 |
| stiophan | In theory yes except the flu virus mutates and we get the flu all the time | 00:28 |
| IronY | just been a bit | 00:28 |
| dzho | it's not ... what's that thing cats spread | 00:28 |
| stiophan | Whats novel about this virus | 00:29 |
| dzho | we get flu all the time, except not everyone gets the same flu everytime all the time | 00:29 |
| IronY | dzho: at the same time! | 00:29 |
| dzho | with flu people tend to look at the two classes of epitopes you've probably heard about, H and N | 00:29 |
| stiophan | No as luckily its mutation is slower | 00:29 |
| berndj | dzho, toxoplasma something | 00:30 |
| dzho | so you might have immunity to one of them but not the other (again, as best I understand not an immunologist or virologist or doctor or anything) | 00:30 |
| dzho | berndj: yes, that's it! | 00:30 |
| dzho | thanks | 00:30 |
| IronY | Pandemics: Some of us are going to make it, some of us are not, in a few years we will defund health care and worry about it later | 00:30 |
| stiophan | why it this called 19 | 00:30 |
| berndj | toxoplasma gondii or something like that | 00:30 |
| dzho | 2019 | 00:30 |
| bin_bash | not sure if this has been shared here, list of chemicals for disinfecting covid: https://www.americanchemistry.com/Novel-Coronavirus-Fighting-Products-List.pdf | 00:30 |
| IronY | just bleach all the things lol | 00:31 |
| IronY | OMG on that note | 00:31 |
| dzho | isopropyl alcohol all the things | 00:31 |
| bin_bash | bleach destroys things that lysol doesnt | 00:31 |
| berndj | is bleach even effective? | 00:31 |
| bin_bash | yes of course | 00:31 |
| dzho | bin_bash: including your skin | 00:31 |
| IronY | bleach kills all things | 00:31 |
| stiophan | Can the virus infect our close mamallians ie monkeys, gorillas etc | 00:31 |
| bin_bash | dzho: yeah and colors | 00:31 |
| IronY | LOl that should be the new logo | 00:31 |
| dzho | I am so worried about my colors RN you wouldn't believe! | 00:32 |
| IronY | 'Bleach, It kills literal colors, f*** covid' | 00:32 |
| berndj | do you people know the "Savlon" brand of antiseptic liquids? | 00:32 |
| bin_bash | idk about you, but i'm not interested in destroying my clothes when there are other solutions | 00:32 |
| IronY | regular detergent and hot water man | 00:32 |
| berndj | the supermarket has none left, and i'm wondering if that's so great... because this is a virus and not a bacterium | 00:32 |
| IronY | u can kill this virus with hand soap | 00:32 |
| bin_bash | also groceries and whatnot. get washed or sprayed with lysol or wiped with ipa | 00:32 |
| berndj | stiophan, it can infect rhesus monkeys! | 00:32 |
| stiophan | Anything about 70% alcohol content | 00:33 |
| dzho | I finally found my stash of 95% | 00:33 |
| dunnp | hot water and soap | 00:33 |
| dunnp | ipa wont kill it | 00:33 |
| bin_bash | yes it will | 00:33 |
| redlegion | Gotta love that lipid envelope | 00:33 |
| IronY | it 100% will | 00:33 |
| bin_bash | you guys should really just read the list i linked | 00:33 |
| IronY | u cannot put your whole house in the tub how ever | 00:33 |
| IronY | hence bleach and alcohol | 00:33 |
| dunnp | IPA is like 17% alcohol | 00:33 |
| bin_bash | dunnp: no | 00:33 |
| LjL | dunnp, they mean isopropyl | 00:34 |
| bin_bash | i don't even think that's sold | 00:34 |
| dunnp | oh | 00:34 |
| bin_bash | it's usually 70% or 91% or 99% | 00:34 |
| dunnp | I thought they meant indian pale ale | 00:34 |
| LjL | figured :P | 00:34 |
| IronY | I am sitting on 3 bottles of 99.99% Isoprop | 00:34 |
| bin_bash | there might be some 100% lab grade but i think it's sold as contact cleaner | 00:34 |
| IronY | all accidentally | 00:34 |
| bin_bash | IronY: don't forget to dilute it | 00:34 |
| dunnp | heh | 00:34 |
| IronY | bin_bash: oh of course, this was for electronics originally lol | 00:34 |
| LjL | dunnp, to be fair if you haven't bought one type of IPA in time, you can drink enough of the other to stop worrying about it | 00:34 |
| berndj | why must you dilute it? | 00:34 |
| bin_bash | nice | 00:34 |
| dunnp | never heard isoprop called ipa | 00:34 |
| stiophan | why do you need to dilute it | 00:34 |
| LjL | dunnp, works both ways | 00:34 |
| IronY | bin_bash: turns out the wife is sitting on a shit ton of aloe gel so it worked out | 00:34 |
| dunnp | true LjL | 00:34 |
| bin_bash | berndj: 70% disinfects better because it doesn't evaporate as quickly | 00:34 |
| dunnp | ^ 70% isopropyl is best | 00:35 |
| IronY | you could technically poison urself if you had to much prolonged contact to 99.99% | 00:35 |
| bin_bash | oh yeah | 00:35 |
| fester | moonshine suger and water | 00:35 |
| bin_bash | i usually buy 91% for cosmetic purpose and for wiping down my phone | 00:35 |
| IronY | Local electronic depos still have 99% in most forms: wipes, liquid, aerosol | 00:36 |
| stiophan | Suddenly I realise why strong russian alcohol has more than one use | 00:36 |
| IronY | if ur trying to get them | 00:36 |
| IronY | check those | 00:36 |
| IronY | stay away from ottawa canada, thats mine | 00:36 |
| dunnp | LjL: could use one one though... haven't had beer in about two weeks | 00:36 |
| bin_bash | stiophan: or everclear :P | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +672 cases (now 594513), +17 deaths (now 27236) 🔸 US: +600 cases (now 102325), +3 deaths (now 1591) 🔸 Florida, US: +298 cases (now 3198) 🔹 Afghanistan: +16 cases (now 110) 🔹 Alabama, US: +96 cases (now 627), +2 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Albania: +12 cases (now 186), +2 deaths (now 8), +14 recoveries (now 31) [... want %more?] | 00:36 |
| fester | emp blast | 00:36 |
| berndj | i have "methylated" spirits (with no methanol lol) | 00:37 |
| berndj | that's 90%+ ethanol | 00:37 |
| tinwhiskers | berndj: that's what we have too :-) | 00:37 |
| tinwhiskers | 95% ethanol here | 00:37 |
| IronY | I wonder if anyone has blown themselves up yet | 00:37 |
| IronY | rigging up distilleries at home | 00:37 |
| bin_bash | one can only hope | 00:37 |
| stiophan | Can someone explain to me why Italy got it so bad? Germany-Spain-Greece-Portugal have just as many old per capita | 00:38 |
| IronY | bin_bash: every couple years someone levels their foundation making oil, I would imagine that scales lol | 00:38 |
| bin_bash | i think part of it is because of everyone hugging and kissing eachother | 00:38 |
| bin_bash | IronY: yup ol | 00:38 |
| berndj | tinwhiskers, ours has 4% isopropanol and 2.4% butan-1-ol, and i guess some random uninteresting stuff to fill up the 100% | 00:38 |
| stiophan | Ignore government advice no matter what??? | 00:38 |
| dunnp | randomness | 00:38 |
| tinwhiskers | The virus was engineered by the English to take out the Italian football team | 00:39 |
| dunnp | just found out that the makes of the swabs for testing were both in norhtern italy which has been part of the problem for testing | 00:39 |
| berndj | IronY, how do they do that? blocked condensers and the like? | 00:39 |
| IronY | berndj: I would not give them that much credit, probably lighting a smoke next to large piles of flammable materials | 00:39 |
| berndj | that'll cause a fire; it won't level the building | 00:40 |
| berndj | or are you talking open containers evaporating into a nice explosive mixture | 00:40 |
| tinwhiskers | if the fuel-air mix is just right then boom | 00:40 |
| stiophan | the italians have been mostly uncompetitive in soccer tournaments for years now, apart from 1-2 Italian clubs | 00:40 |
| berndj | would one be able to breathe in an explosive mixture? | 00:41 |
| fester | niggerian mob in northern italy drugs and girls | 00:41 |
| tinwhiskers | berndj: good point. | 00:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Still, that is somehow what happens | 00:41 |
| IronY | yeah I don't pretend to understand it | 00:41 |
| stiophan | girls? | 00:41 |
| IronY | but I do know it happens lol | 00:41 |
| IronY | %title https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/whitby-home-exploded-during-attempt-at-making-cannabis-oil-police-1.4168487 | 00:42 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: From toronto.ctvnews.ca: Whitby home exploded during attempt at making cannabis oil using butane: police | CTV News | 00:42 |
| stiophan | This isin't AIDS its not mostly transmitted by bodily fluids | 00:42 |
| fester | plus rich kids from northern schools hop on the bus when the trains shut down bring the virus home to southern italy | 00:42 |
| tinwhiskers | fester: that might explain the spread but not the high mortality | 00:43 |
| IronY | My Local news: “Unfortunately, most of the deaths we have seen so far are with elderly people – many of whom had other health issues as well,” she said. | 00:43 |
| stiophan | Why would rich northern kids head south? | 00:44 |
| IronY | What do you mean Unfortunately | 00:44 |
| tinwhiskers | although fast spread, and therefore overwhelming the medical services more quickly will contribute somewhat to high mortality | 00:44 |
| berndj | at 20°C you can have up to 6% ethanol in air, that's right around the range where things can typically go boom. so ok, i'll buy that theory! | 00:44 |
| IronY | I mean I get it's a touchy subject | 00:44 |
| IronY | but like, should it read 'Thankfully only healthy young people died' | 00:44 |
| berndj | ok butane is another kettle of fish | 00:44 |
| IronY | berndj: there is a few ways to make oil | 00:45 |
| LjL | i keep getting Amazon Pantry emails that aren't even real | 00:45 |
| IronY | butane is just one of em | 00:45 |
| LjL | which is dumb because Amazon Pantry is no longer a thing here | 00:45 |
| stiophan | I presumed many Italians had a good diet and were naturally more healthy even the older ones | 00:45 |
| IronY | I believe Honey oil is Isoprop | 00:45 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe the CO2 method might be safer | 00:45 |
| LjL | so hey spammer do you think i'm stupid | 00:45 |
| fester | rich kids left school went home | 00:46 |
| IronY | LjL: I was getting annoyed by all the spam emails, but then I though, hey, at least the fraud people are safe and working at home and this kinda maintains normalcy lol | 00:46 |
| fester | <stiophan> | 00:46 |
| tinwhiskers | fester: yeah, you said that | 00:46 |
| IronY | "One second <insert small kids name here>, Daddy is still pretending to be a nigerian prince' | 00:46 |
| stiophan | rich kids went home South to even poorer health services? Are there alot of rich southern kids being schooled in the North of Italy? | 00:47 |
| LjL | IronY, oh well yes i guess maybe nigeria is still safe | 00:47 |
| fester | stiophan, didnt get that part | 00:47 |
| LjL | stiophan, kids... not really, university students, yes, a lot | 00:47 |
| LjL | stiophan, also, no, our life expectancy has been going up but our *healthy* life expectancy has been going down | 00:47 |
| tinwhiskers | But I don't think that really goes very far to explaining the high death rate in Italy | 00:48 |
| LjL | health services deteriorated since the 2008 crisis | 00:48 |
| IronY | Was there a noticeable immigration of americans prior to all hell breaking loose? | 00:48 |
| LjL | and the south is just consistently bad | 00:48 |
| IronY | being, a lot of people at their summer homes suddenly leaving | 00:48 |
| stiophan | the same poor services are then also in Greece and its not a basket case like Italy | 00:48 |
| LjL | i unno | 00:48 |
| LjL | stiophan, Greece has simply not been infected to any meaningful extent yet | 00:49 |
| LjL | %cases greece | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Greece, there are 966 cases, 28 deaths (2.9% of cases), 52 recoveries as of March 27, 23:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Greece for time series data. | 00:49 |
| dunnp | top university in italy is... pisa? | 00:49 |
| LjL | stiophan, let's revisit it when it's 5000 | 00:49 |
| IronY | Greece, went bankrupt, doing ok | 00:49 |
| LjL | we also had 3.0% fatality rate | 00:49 |
| LjL | at some point | 00:49 |
| LjL | deaths lag behind, also, get worse | 00:49 |
| IronY | %data Canada | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Canada, there are 4689 cases, 53 deaths (1.1% of cases), 258 recoveries as of March 27, 23:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 00:49 |
| IronY | weee | 00:50 |
| fester | no money to go out and spend limited virus spread | 00:50 |
| IronY | Today was also the first truly 'its spring out' | 00:50 |
| IronY | tldr, were fucked | 00:50 |
| LjL | the problem that is often highlighted in Italy is that the initial lockdown was on Lombardy and surroundings only, so people who were in Lombardy but originally from other regions (many) "fled" back home | 00:51 |
| adventurer | because i did UberEats instead of a job I will get maybe next to no help from the government in this crisis I think even though I was probably poorer than most people with a job before it | 00:51 |
| LjL | but the thing is | 00:51 |
| LjL | that would/will explain clusters in southern regions | 00:51 |
| LjL | but the *current* issue is still mainly Lombardy | 00:51 |
| fester | greeks stay home | 00:51 |
| LjL | so if there is a very bad effect from that, it's still to come in its full force | 00:51 |
| adventurer | poorer and with no entitlements | 00:52 |
| stiophan | Why has Southern Italy not got it as bad if so many left northern Italy for the South. Sicily and Naples should be in deep shit | 00:52 |
| adventurer | oh well | 00:52 |
| IronY | LjL: any idea on what ur numbers look like subtracted by lombardy | 00:53 |
| IronY | %data italy | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Italy, there are 86498 cases, 9134 deaths (10.6% of cases), 10950 recoveries as of March 27, 23:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 00:53 |
| adventurer | Is it warmer in Southern Italy? | 00:53 |
| LjL | IronY, something like less than half now in lombardy, but bot can tell you better | 00:53 |
| LjL | %data lombardia | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 37298 cases, 5402 deaths (14.5% of cases), 8001 recoveries as of March 27, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 00:53 |
| LjL | just use the italian name because it doesn't understand lombabrdy | 00:53 |
| LjL | i notice it's a very typical distribution in... many things | 00:54 |
| stiophan | Would rich Greeks not have headed for countries with better med services or headed for the island holiday home | 00:54 |
| LjL | #1 takes up half, #2 about one quarter, and so on | 00:54 |
| LjL | stiophan, rich greeks? all three of them? | 00:54 |
| LjL | sorry sorry | 00:54 |
| LjL | but also what is the point really? | 00:54 |
| LjL | what are we modelling? | 00:54 |
| LjL | you're handwaving a lot | 00:54 |
| IronY | 7% | 00:55 |
| LjL | the thing is, most eastern european countries haven't become huge clusters | 00:55 |
| IronY | without lombardy | 00:55 |
| IronY | death rate that is | 00:55 |
| LjL | they may in the future, but maybe there was just generally less travel there | 00:55 |
| LjL | and in general... i don't know, italy had the biggest surge first, i think that was pretty much random | 00:55 |
| LjL | could have been germany or france instead | 00:55 |
| LjL | IronY, my brain was trying to ignore the death rate in lombardy but thank you anyway | 00:55 |
| IronY | Sorry :/ | 00:56 |
| LjL | well i made the bot ;( | 00:56 |
| LjL | just sucks | 00:56 |
| IronY | I gave up right before your equp of the world feature | 00:56 |
| IronY | because it was driving me mad doing it | 00:56 |
| IronY | I get it | 00:56 |
| IronY | equiv* | 00:56 |
| stiophan | I presume the spread to Italy was Chinese tourism and heavy biz connections in clothing an textiles with China | 00:57 |
| IronY | It was probably there a long longer then suspected | 00:57 |
| IronY | that is the only thing I can come up with | 00:58 |
| IronY | %data vancouver | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: Sorry, vancouver not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 00:58 |
| IronY | %data Vancouver, Canada | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: Sorry, Vancouver, Canada not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 00:58 |
| stiophan | In theory France should be the same as italy ie clothing links and tourism | 00:58 |
| IronY | As should Vancouver | 00:58 |
| IronY | especially given the chinese new year | 00:58 |
| berndj | stiophan, there's a hypothesis that italy actually got it from germany | 00:59 |
| IronY | berndj: Wow | 00:59 |
| IronY | I gotta call my nono | 00:59 |
| stiophan | The bigger scare is if it gets embedded in Africa and India where health services are near zero | 00:59 |
| IronY | He said the same thing weeks ago (without any factual basis of course he does not internets) and my grandma is German (he is italian) I thought it was just a passive aggressive thing lol | 00:59 |
| stiophan | Why Germany first but no heavy German clusters in same time as Italy | 01:00 |
| berndj | bad luck in the early stages | 01:00 |
| LjL | let me refer you back to | 01:00 |
| berndj | the early stages where luck still plays a role | 01:01 |
| LjL | https://youtu.be/gxAaO2rsdIs?t=455 | 01:01 |
| LjL | sometimes things are just random | 01:01 |
| stiophan | If that was the case then Austria and the Swiss would be even worse | 01:01 |
| LjL | how so | 01:01 |
| LjL | also, switzerland is pretty bad | 01:01 |
| LjL | so there is that | 01:02 |
| LjL | %cases switzerland | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 12928 cases, 231 deaths (1.8% of cases), 1530 recoveries as of March 27, 23:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data. | 01:02 |
| LjL | per capita it's one of the countries with the most cases | 01:02 |
| LjL | fewer deaths because they don't die, just like germans | 01:02 |
| osomatsu_kun | LjL: How do I type when I want to know the whole states? | 01:02 |
| osomatsu_kun | %data U.S. | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | osomatsu_kun: Sorry, U.S. not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 01:02 |
| LjL | %data us | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 102338 cases, 1607 deaths (1.6% of cases), 2471 recoveries as of March 27, 23:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:02 |
| LjL | %data world | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, World, there are 594594 cases, 27255 deaths (4.6% of cases), 132622 recoveries as of March 27, 23:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 01:03 |
| osomatsu_kun | oh thanks, didn't know "us" works... I tried United States | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +392 cases (now 2024), +10 deaths (now 18) 🔹 Afghanistan: +16 cases (now 110) 🔹 Alabama, US: +96 cases (now 627), +2 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Albania: +12 cases (now 186), +2 deaths (now 8), +14 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Algeria: +42 cases (now 409), +1 deaths (now 26) 🔹 Andorra: +43 cases (now 267) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 13) [... want %more?] | 01:06 |
| LjL | that should work too | 01:06 |
| LjL | %data united states | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 102396 cases, 1607 deaths (1.6% of cases), 2471 recoveries as of March 27, 23:51Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:06 |
| LjL | i didn't think of U.S. though | 01:07 |
| berndj | %data south africa | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | berndj: In all areas, South Africa, there are 1170 cases, 1 deaths (0.1% of cases), 31 recoveries as of March 27, 23:51Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Africa for time series data. | 01:07 |
| berndj | first day of lockdown here, videos floating around of people in some communities out and about as usual though | 01:08 |
| LjL | berndj, weren't they being beaten up by police | 01:08 |
| LjL | and/or military | 01:08 |
| berndj | LjL, yes i did see some, err, rough treatment | 01:09 |
| berndj | what i did see was short of what i'd call "being beaten up", but it did seem like an overreach | 01:10 |
| Alohomora | !stats spain | 01:10 |
| Alohomora | %stats spain | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | Alohomora: In all areas, Spain, there are 65719 cases, 5138 deaths (7.8% of cases), 9357 recoveries as of March 27, 23:51Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 01:10 |
| berndj | but we're a stubborn people. sometimes i feel it's like a trolley problem where a bit of police brutality it the utilitarian optimum | 01:10 |
| berndj | LjL, rubber bullets too in another place, but i didn't see any context | 01:11 |
| LjL | berndj, it happened everywhere though | 01:11 |
| LjL | not the bullets, the ignoring the lockdowns | 01:11 |
| LjL | i guess at first people don't really register it as something that can be real | 01:12 |
| LjL | "can't leave my house? don't be ridiculous" | 01:12 |
| osomatsu_kun | LjL: oh weird... When I type "United States" in PM, Brainstorm showed me In Alabama, US,.... I wonder why | 01:12 |
| LjL | osomatsu_kun, that was a bug, try again, should work now | 01:12 |
| osomatsu_kun | I see it was a few days ago, thanks! | 01:12 |
| berndj | LjL, unfortunately we have communities that are willing to physically confront police, they don't just back down when one would like them to | 01:13 |
| berndj | so i expect more problems | 01:13 |
| LjL | berndj, to be fair, sometimes police, everywhere, would deserve some being confronted | 01:13 |
| LjL | with bigger guns then theirs | 01:13 |
| LjL | but i guess that ends badly | 01:14 |
| berndj | LjL, did italians also have "corona parties" before things got obviously serious? | 01:16 |
| berndj | i have word from family in germany that ze germans were doing those | 01:16 |
| LjL | berndj, not sure about those specifically, but until last weekend at least, many people were still gathering a fair bit | 01:16 |
| LjL | they are just dumb | 01:16 |
| LjL | worse than dumb | 01:16 |
| LjL | take that person i took too long to ban the other day | 01:16 |
| LjL | the swiss | 01:16 |
| berndj | how long has italy been in lockdown now? it feels like about 2 weeks now? | 01:16 |
| LjL | they actually hate other generations to the point of wishing death upon them | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:14 UTC: (news): Abbott receives approval for test that can detect coronavirus in 5 minutes — from r/WorldNews at 00:14: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/U1YiD7 | 01:17 |
| LjL | berndj, i think either march 8 or 11 was when it began in lombardy | 01:17 |
| LjL | there were two quarantine areas earlier than that | 01:17 |
| LjL | there's been a number of successive laws making it stricter | 01:17 |
| LjL | too many, really | 01:17 |
| LjL | every time people just panicked more and went to supermarkets | 01:17 |
| LjL | have you see that video? :P | 01:17 |
| LjL | look at what happens when he introduce a "central market" in the simulation | 01:17 |
| LjL | it's not nice | 01:18 |
| LjL | and this is why i still think the current lockdown isn't enough | 01:18 |
| LjL | and i won't get tired of saying this until it happens | 01:18 |
| LjL | they need to | 01:18 |
| adventurer | The governments some times seem to incite hate of people against each other or media | 01:18 |
| LjL | 1) stop all public transport | 01:18 |
| LjL | 2) close supermarkets and arrange deliveries for everyone | 01:18 |
| adventurer | pitting generations, genders, people of different wealth level against each other | 01:18 |
| LjL | doesn't matter if we have to eat standardized food for a bit | 01:18 |
| LjL | i'll drink less limoncello | 01:18 |
| berndj | how was it in wuhan? they didn't just let the welded-in civilians starve after all | 01:19 |
| IronY | adventurer: people do that themselves without any help from the government or media | 01:19 |
| berndj | (mostly. i think. i hope...) | 01:20 |
| adventurer | Well in Australia even the last week some have even told peopel to start yelling at someone if they don't obey the social distance rules | 01:20 |
| adventurer | like two days after they wree brought in | 01:20 |
| adventurer | i think maybe some peopel are oblivious to the rapid changes in laws | 01:20 |
| adventurer | why yell at anyone | 01:20 |
| IronY | 2020: Ignorance stop being a valid excuse | 01:21 |
| IronY | I yelled at someone at 3 am | 01:21 |
| IronY | because they were getting to fucking close, and in a situation I deem life or death, yelling seem appropriate | 01:21 |
| adventurer | well inform others yes but don't be mean i reckon | 01:21 |
| berndj | if you want to be ignorant, it should still be easy enough to just mimic what everyone else is doing | 01:21 |
| adventurer | well different there to here maybe | 01:21 |
| IronY | What should I do, have them walk up a few inches from me and give them a tutorial | 01:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 China: +54 cases (now 81394), +3 deaths (now 3295), +383 recoveries (now 74971) 🔹 Afghanistan: +16 cases (now 110) 🔹 Alabama, US: +96 cases (now 627), +2 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Albania: +12 cases (now 186), +2 deaths (now 8), +14 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Algeria: +42 cases (now 409), +1 deaths (now 26) 🔹 Andorra: +43 cases (now 267) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 13) [... want %more?] | 01:21 |
| adventurer | I just don't think it helps everyone fighting over toilet paper and yelling at each other | 01:22 |
| IronY | oh that was pre panic | 01:22 |
| IronY | I am talking about the people 3 weeks later | 01:22 |
| IronY | who still dont get it | 01:22 |
| adventurer | oh | 01:22 |
| IronY | I should point out, it was literally 3 am, i went out of my way to set an alarm to wake up to go to the gas station, after 12 it has a secure drop kinda thing so u dont physically have to go into the store, no one was around in the entire world, but some how, 1 random person managed to almost get 6 ft close to me | 01:23 |
| IronY | made no sense | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: record rise in Italy death toll as Irish PM tells people to stay home for two weeks — from r/WorldNews at 00:15: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/bAyvCD | 01:23 |
| berndj | geez if ppl here would just stick to 6 feet | 01:24 |
| IronY | stiophan: your Irish, are you a government institution trying to get a knowledge base going! | 01:24 |
| berndj | at least they're doing 3 feet now rather than 1 foot | 01:24 |
| IronY | ^ amen to that | 01:24 |
| IronY | I have people doing me favors dropping stuff off because they insist on going out to get random items every other day rather then doing it once a week | 01:25 |
| IronY | I mean, I appreciate what there doing for me, but at the same time, I feel horrible I am contributing | 01:25 |
| IronY | I guess there technically lowering my footprint | 01:25 |
| IronY | It is a very obvious 'Yeah I don't wanna get sick and maybe die, but if you wanna get sick and maybe die I could probably use some body was for the wifey and a 12 pack of pepsi' | 01:26 |
| IronY | body wash* | 01:26 |
| fructose | https://i.imgur.com/Qgpaipf.png | 01:27 |
| IronY | John Hopkins hates Canada | 01:27 |
| IronY | we never make any of the cool kid graphs | 01:28 |
| adventurer | you can make graphs IronY | 01:28 |
| IronY | there is actually a few good canada sites including one ran by ageis | 01:28 |
| IronY | Just playing on the graph thing :D | 01:28 |
| berndj | the US is improving quite rapidly in those plots | 01:29 |
| adventurer | Better get used to the sound of ambulance sirens | 01:29 |
| adventurer | pretty sad | 01:29 |
| IronY | Not sure ambulances need sirens when they are the only vehicals left on the road :/ | 01:29 |
| adventurer | yes true | 01:30 |
| adventurer | I noticed some with just their lights on the other day | 01:30 |
| adventurer | but just now i heard a siren could have been police or ambulance | 01:30 |
| IronY | The lights will trigger the lights | 01:30 |
| IronY | as in traffic lights | 01:30 |
| IronY | oh so does the siren it seems | 01:31 |
| berndj | why do the early doubling times vary so wildly between countries? is that partly an artifact of inadequate testing? | 01:31 |
| IronY | no shit | 01:31 |
| IronY | https://www.quora.com/How-do-ambulances-control-traffic-lights | 01:31 |
| IronY | Remind me to reverse engineer this if we make it through | 01:31 |
| berndj | are you going to fuzz your local traffic lights? | 01:32 |
| IronY | I would go to the most remote location and try it once to see if it works | 01:32 |
| adventurer | berndj, I am guessing that is one reason maybe also, population density, culture, hygiene and new social distancing laws might play a part | 01:32 |
| IronY | fucking with that in a used area would hold some real fines / jail time | 01:32 |
| IronY | probably qualifies for domestic terrorism | 01:33 |
| berndj | adventurer, i'm comparing especially the US's early doubling time (hours!) with italy or iran | 01:33 |
| IronY | I cannot speak for italy but my grandfather, an italian man, his literal life is just going from place to place | 01:33 |
| IronY | italians in my experience seem to love to just go place to place when their older | 01:34 |
| fructose | berndj: I think you're misunderstanding the plot. None of those doubling times are 'early' | 01:34 |
| pplude | I think the doubling time has more to do with testing rather than anything else. | 01:34 |
| IronY | like they stop doing groceries regularly and go hang out in grocery stores daily talking about the quality of the tomatos | 01:34 |
| berndj | yeah, but that's exactly the wrong direction; you'd expect iran and italy to have *shorter* doubling times than the USA | 01:34 |
| berndj | fructose, ah, mid march. gotcha! | 01:34 |
| berndj | (also time-shifted relative to each other) | 01:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:29 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump signs $2.2tn stimulus bill after invoking Defense Production Act: Trump on requests for ventilators: ‘I don’t believe you need 30,000’ US surpasses China for highest number of confirmed cases How US governors are fighting coronavirus – and Trump Did a New York Times article inspire [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tsB6sl | 01:36 |
| fructose | berndj: Higher is better for doubling time, unless you're cheering for the virus | 01:37 |
| berndj | fructose, that's exactly the thing | 01:37 |
| berndj | it's showing the US (a not so extremely touchy-feely culture) doubling time of *hours*, while italy and iran (highly touchy-feely) with multiple days' doubling time | 01:38 |
| IronY | thats due to testing | 01:38 |
| berndj | but granted, iran and italy are probably well ahead of the others on their curve | 01:38 |
| IronY | has the states moved to the clinical diagnosis justifies a confirmed case yet? | 01:39 |
| IronY | and when did italy/iran move to that | 01:39 |
| berndj | IronY, you mean testing finding more (relatively old) cases faster than the disease is actually spreading? | 01:39 |
| IronY | berndj: china at one point (youll see it on their graph) said fuck it , if you look like u have it, u have it | 01:39 |
| IronY | no swab required | 01:39 |
| IronY | there was not enough people to processes the swabs | 01:40 |
| IronY | this they moved from a lab confirmation to a clinical diagnosis | 01:40 |
| IronY | thus8 | 01:40 |
| adventurer | a day to a week or so ago they were saying AU was missing some thing for testing but now they are saying we have of the highest testing rates so i am guessing maybe they got the thing | 01:42 |
| IronY | ^ The best summary I have ever heard | 01:42 |
| adventurer | heh | 01:42 |
| LjL | berndj, i touch and feel no one ;( | 01:43 |
| IronY | I got a great facebook meme to give yeall a smile, please hold | 01:43 |
| berndj | LjL: weirdo :p | 01:43 |
| LjL | 2m already *was* my private space | 01:44 |
| LjL | instead now they tell me it's just 1m | 01:44 |
| berndj | LjL, northerners are less touchy-feely than southerners right? | 01:44 |
| LjL | yeah i think so | 01:44 |
| LjL | but most northerners are southerners | 01:44 |
| LjL | well | 01:44 |
| LjL | maybe not anymore! | 01:44 |
| IronY | https://bit.ly/3aolbVn | 01:44 |
| LjL | but before they ran back to their southern homes to spread more disease, at least :P | 01:44 |
| IronY | enjoy, best thing I read this week | 01:45 |
| LjL | i think i have missed the saving australia with tits bit | 01:45 |
| IronY | https://globalnews.ca/news/6371784/model-nude-photos-australia-fire-donations/ | 01:45 |
| pplude | IronY - That's a different kind of virus | 01:46 |
| LjL | %wik Charmin | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Charmin /ˈʃɑːrmɪn/ is an American brand of toilet paper manufactured by Procter & Gamble. → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charmin | 01:46 |
| IronY | Proctor and Gamble already owned a large chunk of the world | 01:46 |
| LjL | is there anything Procter & Gamble does not do | 01:46 |
| IronY | now they probably own it all | 01:46 |
| PlanckWalk | LjL: Care | 01:46 |
| IronY | pplude: lol | 01:46 |
| IronY | Just found the complete list of product amazon is prioritizing ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Procter_%26_Gamble_brands | 01:47 |
| berndj | wait who's the oklahoma methhead? | 01:48 |
| adventurer | who is the Oklahoma man? | 01:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:41 UTC: US households are being mailed 'President Trump's Coronavirus Guidelines for America': U.S. households are being mailed a version of the COVID-19 guidelines released two weeks ago by the White House Coronavirus Task Force — and the guidelines are specifically called "President Trump's." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Udcy0m | 01:48 |
| IronY | berndj: the tiger show from netflix | 01:48 |
| berndj | thatsthejoke.png? | 01:48 |
| berndj | oh, never heard of that | 01:49 |
| IronY | watch it, you'll thank yourself your not in Flordia during the apocalypse | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1575 cases (now 596301), +91 deaths (now 27346), +51 recoveries (now 133057) 🔸 US: +1265 cases (now 103729), +86 deaths (now 1693), +51 recoveries (now 2522) 🔸 New York, US: +1124 cases (now 45934), +85 deaths (now 604) 🔸 Australia: +235 cases (now 3378) 🔹 Afghanistan: +16 cases (now 110) 🔹 Alabama, US: +96 cases (now 627), +2 deaths (now 3) [... want %more?] | 01:51 |
| IronY | LjL: is the want %more thing inspired by Starship Troopers? | 01:52 |
| LjL | i'm afraid not | 01:52 |
| LjL | it was just the shortest way of indicating what it did that i could think of :P | 01:52 |
| IronY | I keep reading it in that starship trooper voice, so I'll appreciate it regardless lol | 01:53 |
| LjL | you can read it with espeak's voice | 01:53 |
| LjL | that's what Brainstorm used when he could still speak | 01:53 |
| LjL | now they killed the audio hosting service it used so it can't | 01:53 |
| LjL | %pr want %more? | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, English pronunciation: [wˈɒnt pəsˈɛnt mˈɔː] (eSpeak, British) — [wˈɔnt pɚsˈɛnt mˈoːɹ] (eSpeak, American) → Audio unavailable. | 01:54 |
| IronY | lol awesome | 01:54 |
| IronY | "They said that they had stabilized my oxygen, my fever had gone down, and that's all they could possibly do for me at that point. They said, if I don't feel good again or if I feel like I cannot breathe, to come right back to the emergency room. | 01:54 |
| IronY | And that's what they're doing with everybody, I noticed in the emergency room. Everyone was kind of just in and out after a few hours of being there. | 01:55 |
| IronY | " | 01:55 |
| IronY | https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/alone-and-struggling-to-breathe-this-covid-19-patient-s-parents-use-video-calls-to-keep-watch-as-she-sleeps-1.5512488 | 01:55 |
| IronY | 35 year old new york | 01:55 |
| adventurer | where is that IronY | 01:55 |
| IronY | New York | 01:55 |
| adventurer | oh | 01:55 |
| adventurer | good parents | 01:55 |
| IronY | So they are saying 40% of the people hospitalized people are under 50 | 01:55 |
| adventurer | how terrifying for them | 01:55 |
| IronY | but it sounds like there going in and out | 01:55 |
| adventurer | oh | 01:56 |
| IronY | I guess thats somewhat reassuring | 01:56 |
| IronY | My fear is prolonged hospital visits | 01:56 |
| adventurer | you know the traffic warning signs here are all saying "Stop the spread of Corona Virus. Wash your hands." and "Stop the spread of Coronavirus, stay home if you're sick." | 01:56 |
| adventurer | instead of drive safely/traffic jam ahead | 01:57 |
| IronY | we have those in this city atm | 01:57 |
| IronY | yes | 01:57 |
| adventurer | hmm...40% is a lot | 01:57 |
| AimHere | Under 50s make up a bigger chunk of the population | 01:57 |
| IronY | in The US | 01:57 |
| adventurer | as they were saying for a long time it was a mild disease for most people except elderly or ones with preeixisting conditions here | 01:57 |
| p2hang | What's the percentage of people under 50 in the US? | 01:57 |
| AimHere | So the younger folk are like 4 or 5 times less likely to need hospitalization than older ones | 01:58 |
| IronY | adventurer: it still says that, sounds like u go for a little top up on o2, a chest xray, and if you have no pnumonia u are let out | 01:58 |
| adventurer | oh really AimHere ? | 01:58 |
| IronY | but I suspect that counds as 'hospitalized' | 01:58 |
| IronY | counts* | 01:58 |
| adventurer | AimHere, can you please link sources? | 01:58 |
| adventurer | well maybe they check on you if you are quite bad and keep you in case you might need ICU or ventilator but if you seem ok send you home | 01:59 |
| IronY | https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trrops-trump-border-coronavirus-1.5512261 | 01:59 |
| adventurer | so many ubereats were 'leave at door' | 01:59 |
| IronY | Canada and Us agreed to send people illegaly crossing borders both ways back home | 01:59 |
| AimHere | You can work out from the table about 40% of the way down in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States that under 44s are about 55% of the population | 01:59 |
| berndj | p2hang, median age must be 41/2/3 years, so add another (1/80)% per year to make it up to 50 years | 01:59 |
| IronY | but now the states is saying if those people are not us citazens its immediate deportation | 01:59 |
| p2hang | Looks like roughly 70% of people in the US are under 50. https://www.infoplease.com/us/comprehensive-census-data-state/demographic-statistics-342. So 40% of cases being people under 50 isn't really surprising. It just means that age isn't as big of a risk factor as was originally thought. | 01:59 |
| adventurer | also the man at the BP fuel station had a mask on and just left on desk | 02:00 |
| adventurer | i felt sorry for him | 02:00 |
| adventurer | he looked scared but still working and trying to to be too close to customers | 02:00 |
| Xip | Godspeed | 02:00 |
| AimHere | p2hang, well they're more likely to need hospitalization, but FAR less likely to die | 02:00 |
| AimHere | Sorry a little less likely to need hospitalization and a lot less likely to die | 02:00 |
| IronY | what was the command for that bot that tells me I am going to live | 02:01 |
| IronY | the one with percentages based on age | 02:01 |
| p2hang | Which is a problem itself. They're also less likely to need an extended stay, but they still end up taking beds, or even voopa beds (kinda beds, waiting spots mostly) that people that need extended stays require. | 02:01 |
| IronY | p2hang: sounds like there not though | 02:01 |
| IronY | just the ones with pneumonias | 02:01 |
| ketas | lot of pension money saved after this | 02:01 |
| IronY | in NY anyway | 02:01 |
| ketas | :) | 02:01 |
| IronY | ketas: think it'll offset the deficit caused by thise | 02:01 |
| p2hang | So I don't want to call it an artificial shortage of beds, but at any given moment there is a shortage, overall, probably not. | 02:02 |
| IronY | the closer those numbers are to together, the worse the optics lol | 02:02 |
| adventurer | s/to to/not to | 02:02 |
| Brainstorm | adventurer meant to say: he looked scared but still working and trying not to be too close to customers | 02:02 |
| AimHere | !risk 35 | 02:03 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 35 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.7% chance of survival, a 14.7% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 3.9% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.3% chance of death. | 02:03 |
| IronY | good guess! | 02:03 |
| adventurer | I told my parents late January to go home and stay home as much as possible they didn't get it then, I think they get it now. | 02:03 |
| ketas | !risk 75 | 02:03 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 75 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 94.5% chance of survival, a 39.8% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 15.0% risk of needing intensive care there and a 5.5% chance of death. | 02:03 |
| adventurer | !risk 14 | 02:04 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 14 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 100.0% chance of survival, a 1.5% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 0.0% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.0% chance of death. | 02:04 |
| ketas | !risk 0 | 02:04 |
| adventurer | !risk 40 | 02:04 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 0 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 100.0% chance of survival, a 0.0% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 0.0% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.0% chance of death. | 02:04 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 40 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.6% chance of survival, a 17.8% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 5.3% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.4% chance of death. | 02:04 |
| IronY | ok we found the cure | 02:04 |
| IronY | the cure to covid is to not exist | 02:04 |
| IronY | you are 100% immune if you can just manage to not exist | 02:04 |
| ketas | hahaha | 02:04 |
| p2hang | Excellent idea IronY. I'll get the KoolAid! | 02:04 |
| MinceR | indeed | 02:04 |
| ketas | !risk -1 | 02:04 |
| CovBot | The risk model only handles ages between 0 and 110. | 02:04 |
| MinceR | but once we die we become immune to disease anyway | 02:04 |
| p2hang | !risk 110 | 02:04 |
| ketas | only 110? | 02:04 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 110 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 42.2% chance of survival, a 61.8% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 24.7% risk of needing intensive care there and a 57.8% chance of death. | 02:05 |
| IronY | CovBot: You sir are ageist | 02:05 |
| adventurer | !risk 68 | 02:05 |
| adventurer | Whoever did this risk thing is a legend | 02:05 |
| Spec | dude, a 110 year old patient has a 40% chance of needing to go to the hospital just getting out of bed | 02:05 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 68 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 96.7% chance of survival, a 35.4% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 13.1% risk of needing intensive care there and a 3.3% chance of death. | 02:05 |
| AimHere | At 110 years old, the bot decides that you're 30% chance of dying without needing intensive care | 02:05 |
| ketas | !risk 36 | 02:05 |
| redvenus[m] | total ageist | 02:05 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 36 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.7% chance of survival, a 15.3% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 4.2% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.3% chance of death. | 02:05 |
| AimHere | The bot has evaluated that you're not worth saving | 02:05 |
| p2hang | !risk 29 | 02:06 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 29 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.9% chance of survival, a 10.9% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 2.3% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.1% chance of death. | 02:06 |
| adventurer | Are the states based on worldwide numbers or from a specific country | 02:06 |
| ketas | i won't die | 02:06 |
| adventurer | there are so many factors at play | 02:06 |
| IronY | adventurer: lets not look behind the curtain | 02:06 |
| p2hang | CovBot - you're saying there's a chance? | 02:06 |
| AimHere | adventurer, Italy and China were fairly similar when it came to age/mortality profile | 02:06 |
| adventurer | like the strength of a countries health system, health of the population, etc, etc | 02:06 |
| AimHere | So I suspect until CV hits a really poor country, there won't be a need to specify | 02:06 |
| oxapentane | AimHere: makes sense. If you are very old with a bunch of pre-existing conditions trying to fix you up might cause even more problems. So doctors can only offer you some care and opiates | 02:06 |
| adventurer | country's | 02:07 |
| ketas | Spec: i laugh like crazy here | 02:07 |
| IronY | oxapentane: 'Palliative care' | 02:07 |
| oxapentane | Yep, exactly | 02:07 |
| AimHere | oxapentane, not really what's going on here. Just that there's three or four curves being fitted and it happens that the ICU and the Death curve cross over in the late nineties, because one is linear and the other isn't | 02:07 |
| ketas | use cyanide | 02:07 |
| oxapentane | ketas: I prefer hemlock | 02:08 |
| IronY | RSS Slashdot → ☺ BeauHD → Google Cancels Its Infamous April Fools' Jokes This Year | 02:09 |
| IronY | ^ most depressing news of the day | 02:09 |
| Spec | oof, US is doin a vertical | 02:09 |
| AimHere | oxapentane, the real reason for the bot's weird ICU usage is this: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/v0zif7tflm | 02:09 |
| oxapentane | AimHere, thanks! | 02:09 |
| adventurer | I think maybe instead of people going to the shops they should have paid people from Woolworths doing the picking in mask and gloves and deliver to kerbside no contact | 02:10 |
| adventurer | Remember they made robots to get stuff | 02:10 |
| AimHere | Damn. The internet April Fools is the one holiday that we can have stuck at home without going out | 02:10 |
| adventurer | If only we were at that state | 02:10 |
| IronY | AimHere: right! | 02:10 |
| AimHere | Lame as it was! | 02:10 |
| adventurer | imean at the stage the person does the order online the robot goes around a wearhouse and gets the food | 02:10 |
| adventurer | the truck delivers it | 02:10 |
| adventurer | see no touch | 02:11 |
| ketas | sadly one can't just do for (i = 0; i < 1000; i++) beds++; | 02:11 |
| ketas | :/ | 02:11 |
| adventurer | we have robots but we are not at that stage yet | 02:11 |
| AimHere | Though it's going to be a lot of "<Insert Famous Person> has died of coronavirus" this year | 02:11 |
| IronY | ketas: well they can | 02:11 |
| IronY | ketas: and they probably will be | 02:11 |
| IronY | in ur example beds and vents are not static nor constants | 02:11 |
| ketas | IronY: doctors, nurses, machines! | 02:11 |
| ketas | infrastructure | 02:12 |
| IronY | YEs these are things that can be ramped up | 02:12 |
| IronY | some quicker then others | 02:12 |
| IronY | Doctors are probably not needed on every case | 02:12 |
| IronY | sounds like a lot of maintenance by nurses | 02:12 |
| adventurer | I think soem improvisation like if there are no glasses that are medical left don't ust go in no mask where a ski glasses or goggles...sounds silly but better than nothing | 02:13 |
| ketas | power, o2, air, water, sterilization, expendables | 02:13 |
| IronY | ketas: Have you Seen the Dyson Ventilator 20000 | 02:13 |
| IronY | ketas: Yes, all things that can be ramped up | 02:13 |
| adventurer | wear not where | 02:13 |
| IronY | re war time measures act, re any war ever | 02:13 |
| IronY | factories retool, distilleries retool | 02:13 |
| ketas | IronY: hard | 02:13 |
| IronY | ketas: Not hard, expensive | 02:13 |
| WoofWolfCrin | %data ph | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | WoofWolfCrin: In all areas, Philippines, there are 803 cases, 54 deaths (6.7% of cases), 31 recoveries as of March 28, 00:48Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines for time series data. | 02:13 |
| IronY | ketas: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/dyson-to-make-15000-ventilators/ar-BB11JYpr | 02:14 |
| Spec | insane that the U.S. didn't use defense production act immediately | 02:14 |
| ketas | some things can't be bought | 02:14 |
| IronY | ketas: well, no, not in this case | 02:14 |
| ketas | sadly | 02:14 |
| IronY | most of those things except for the skillsets of doctors and nurses can be very much bought | 02:14 |
| IronY | but again, unless it is a critical case, people can be trained very quickly to deal with specifically covid19 | 02:14 |
| ketas | except we need people | 02:15 |
| IronY | none of this is new my man | 02:15 |
| IronY | we are not having a debate, this is just history | 02:15 |
| IronY | The entire woman in the work force movement was due to a world war retooling | 02:16 |
| IronY | we literally re-classed gender roles | 02:16 |
| ketas | dyson eh, scary | 02:16 |
| ketas | most of their products suck so hard | 02:16 |
| ketas | or blow | 02:16 |
| IronY | ketas: You sound intelligent | 02:16 |
| ketas | :) | 02:16 |
| IronY | :D | 02:16 |
| IronY | (i got it though, good job) | 02:17 |
| IronY | You think were gonna see scenarios where like a poor person is using a ford ventilator and a rich person is using a dyson one | 02:17 |
| ketas | what if we need sphere one day, will dyson build it? | 02:17 |
| IronY | No idea, all I know is my ventilator better come with an IoS app, webooks, and IFTT integration or I'll be pissed | 02:18 |
| IronY | webhooks* | 02:18 |
| IronY | "Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the "CoVent," since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson." | 02:19 |
| ketas | it's node.js powered | 02:19 |
| IronY | Boris was confirmed today | 02:19 |
| IronY | I bet you made a couple follow up calls | 02:19 |
| IronY | he made* | 02:19 |
| IronY | the UKS power structure is not fairing well | 02:19 |
| IronY | Prime Minister, Crown Prince | 02:19 |
| ubLX | health minister.. | 02:20 |
| IronY | Forgot that one :/ | 02:20 |
| IronY | fun fact, I had a conference call with Chris Whitty from the UK today | 02:20 |
| IronY | not the same one | 02:20 |
| IronY | A Quote from him | 02:20 |
| IronY | 'Imagine waking up and your phones blowing up with everyone on facebook you have not talked to in years wishing u congratulations on your position and prayers towards your health" | 02:21 |
| adventurer | Man psychologists are dumb if they can't understand why people are hording toilet paper | 02:21 |
| ketas | still, at this extent, it's quite hard to do this | 02:21 |
| adventurer | I mean...then they don't have to go out to the shop and potentially get the virus for a longer period | 02:21 |
| IronY | ketas: Hard is fair, but it is far from impossible or unprecedented | 02:21 |
| IronY | adventurer: I think they are more confused as to why you would pick TP over food | 02:21 |
| adventurer | oh yeah | 02:21 |
| IronY | Speaking of TP | 02:22 |
| IronY | Took 15 days to use 1 roll | 02:22 |
| IronY | and it was not full when i started counting | 02:22 |
| IronY | I think we'll be ok | 02:22 |
| adventurer | efficient | 02:22 |
| ketas | i have 8 pack | 02:22 |
| ketas | sealed | 02:23 |
| IronY | i ordered a nice bulk pack from amazon while everyone was running out going crazy at a retail outlet over tp due to a pandemic thats spread by going crazy all together inside a retail outlet | 02:23 |
| ketas | hell you can live without it | 02:23 |
| IronY | when this is done we need a study on how many people contracted covid picking up toilet paper | 02:24 |
| ketas | i like my zewa 4ply, no need to take more than one square at time | 02:24 |
| IronY | I am wondering if there is any value at the moment in paying my credit cards past the minimum payments | 02:24 |
| adventurer | Anyone in robotics might make it useful to create things that ensure less contact between sick and healthy especially | 02:24 |
| IronY | I normally pay them off every month | 02:25 |
| IronY | starting to think I should favor the cash and ride the debt | 02:25 |
| adventurer | i have some toilet paper but i suppose some people would have a year's worth | 02:25 |
| ketas | em no debit cards? | 02:25 |
| IronY | ketas: What I mean is I am thinking I should remain more liquid | 02:25 |
| IronY | since interest rates are falling | 02:26 |
| IronY | if shit hits the fan I would prefer to have more $ in a bank | 02:26 |
| IronY | or I guess, have the option to get $ out of the bank | 02:26 |
| ketas | yes keep yourself wet | 02:26 |
| ketas | no need to gas up | 02:26 |
| adventurer | I had less than nothing to begin with | 02:26 |
| PlanckWalk | Ouch! 1.3% of travellers coming in from overseas to Australia are testing positive. | 02:27 |
| adventurer | i have cr card also | 02:27 |
| adventurer | PlanckWalk, they are going to be putting them into quarantine in hotels now | 02:27 |
| adventurer | when they get back | 02:27 |
| adventurer | stricter than self quarantine at their own home they had previously | 02:27 |
| oxapentane | https://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/1243706186085494784 | 02:28 |
| oxapentane | lol | 02:28 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes, and good thing too. It says a lot about untested cases in other countries though. | 02:28 |
| adventurer | haha oxapentane | 02:28 |
| adventurer | true | 02:28 |
| IronY | I have learned something: Everyone on the internet that looks like a crazy cat lady also has a compromised immune system and wants to tell you about it | 02:28 |
| ketas | adventurer: never leave room? | 02:28 |
| adventurer | ketas, i think so | 02:28 |
| adventurer | but i think maybe they can go on the balcony | 02:28 |
| IronY | the quartine hotels are awesome | 02:29 |
| ketas | meet girl next door | 02:29 |
| IronY | food and laundry are delivered | 02:29 |
| IronY | u get ur own room | 02:29 |
| adventurer | around the hotel room maybe it' bedroom, lounge and bathroom or something | 02:29 |
| IronY | we used to call that a vacation | 02:29 |
| ketas | it's vacation until it's jail | 02:29 |
| IronY | ketas: If I was sick and non critical it be nice being the person in the place that has medical staff on hand then the person being told to go home and call back in the advent of death | 02:30 |
| oriba | oxapentane: nice, lol | 02:30 |
| adventurer | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/overseas-arrivals-to-australia-to-be-quarantined-in-hotels-for-two-weeks-over-coronavirus | 02:30 |
| ketas | i wonder if i get it? | 02:31 |
| IronY | LjL: I could of swore ur but used to spit out short urls off links | 02:31 |
| IronY | bot* | 02:31 |
| IronY | not ur but | 02:31 |
| ketas | or HAD it | 02:31 |
| IronY | unless ur but spits out short links, in which case, that is cool aswell | 02:31 |
| IronY | I was sick in December, I get the flu once a year, it did not feel like a flu | 02:31 |
| IronY | I have the same wonder | 02:31 |
| IronY | I am also a college teacher with a lot of international students | 02:31 |
| ketas | real flu? | 02:32 |
| ketas | every year? | 02:32 |
| IronY | Just about every september due to school | 02:32 |
| IronY | never severe | 02:32 |
| oriba | IronY: how does a crazy cat lady looks like? I want to compare, next time when I'm in the bathroom. | 02:32 |
| ketas | i can't remember being sick | 02:32 |
| IronY | oriba: White, very pale, mid 50s, pastel sweater, long greasy hair | 02:32 |
| ketas | years ago maybe | 02:32 |
| ketas | virgin? | 02:33 |
| IronY | I would assume not, my theory is the heart break of their initial suitor is what left them with a hole only filled by feline companions | 02:33 |
| oxapentane | IronY: also a purse that looks like a muppet was skinned for it | 02:34 |
| ketas | that was big hole | 02:34 |
| IronY | lool | 02:34 |
| ketas | but cats are cute | 02:34 |
| IronY | I love my cats, but I know if we both died together in our sleep, they would happily eat us, we have an understanding | 02:34 |
| IronY | the dog would probably just die of heart break | 02:34 |
| IronY | Honestly, when this social isolation shit ends should it end if it ends, dogs around the world are going to be the next mental health crisis | 02:35 |
| ketas | cats eating me! | 02:35 |
| IronY | Every domesticated dog owned by a working adult without kids thinks it died and is in puppy heaven | 02:36 |
| ketas | btw i applied to form which gives my body to uni med students if i die | 02:36 |
| ryouma | is there a reason why this is so high? other than that the world is !@#$? --- 18:27 <PlanckWalk> Ouch! 1.3% of travellers coming in from overseas to Australia are testing positive. | 02:36 |
| ketas | after working parts are taken off | 02:36 |
| IronY | 1.3% is kinda not a high number | 02:37 |
| IronY | considering the whole world is infected | 02:37 |
| IronY | and the specific sample of these people are people who have been through travel hot spots like airports and ships | 02:37 |
| IronY | getting to Australia is not the easiest feat lol | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +398 cases (now 596699), +2 deaths (now 27348) 🔸 US: +397 cases (now 104126), +2 deaths (now 1695) 🔸 New York, US: +328 cases (now 46262), +2 deaths (now 606) 🔹 Hong Kong: +1 cases (now 519) 🔹 Texas, US: +69 cases (now 1950) | 02:38 |
| IronY | new york gonna have china beat inside a few days | 02:39 |
| IronY | a few days ago we were talking about us having china beat in a few days | 02:39 |
| oxapentane | china beat? | 02:39 |
| IronY | oxapentane: in total confirmed cases | 02:39 |
| oxapentane | Oh, i see | 02:39 |
| IronY | I live an hour away from upstate new yorks border | 02:40 |
| IronY | the US military is now close to our shared border | 02:40 |
| IronY | we are not sure if it is to keep them out of here, us out of there, or to just invade us should that need be | 02:40 |
| oxapentane | Ugh. Seems much more chill in my area (Saxony, Germany) | 02:41 |
| IronY | Oh today was like the first nice day of the season in canada, I looked outside and it looked like nothing was happening which means I suspect Martial law by the end of the weekend | 02:41 |
| IronY | Our pm has already politely asked a few times now, he even said he was seriouws | 02:41 |
| IronY | for a canadian, that is basically has dire as it gets ;) | 02:41 |
| LjL | IronY, you're thinking of other bot! | 02:41 |
| LjL | mine uses is.gd urls but it never *turned* other urls into those | 02:42 |
| IronY | LjL: ohh ok, happy to confirm I am not crazy | 02:42 |
| oxapentane | No, here they basically managing to put all restrictions in "business as usual" manner. Not much arguing in parlaments regarding the measures | 02:42 |
| IronY | We are comparing the Canadian PM to Mister Rodgers | 02:42 |
| IronY | every day he walks out of his house with a new sweater on | 02:43 |
| IronY | and talks to us in a calming voice | 02:43 |
| IronY | Not gonna lie, somewhat happy the dude leading my country is a drama teacher | 02:43 |
| IronY | everyone is equally unprepared, but he does it with style! | 02:43 |
| yuriwho | lots of people were hiking the bruce trail today | 02:48 |
| IronY | yuriwho: yep, first nice day, everyone went outside | 02:49 |
| IronY | this should turn out great | 02:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +373 cases (now 597072), +9 deaths (now 27357), +298 recoveries (now 133355) 🔸 Korea, South: +146 cases (now 9478), +5 deaths (now 144), +283 recoveries (now 4811) 🔹 Alaska, US: +16 cases (now 85) 🔹 Argentina: +101 cases (now 690), +4 deaths (now 17) 🔹 Honduras: +27 cases (now 95) 🔹 Hong Kong: +1 cases (now 519) [... want %more?] | 02:53 |
| ryouma | ok i wish i were in canada | 02:53 |
| ryouma | although please find the answer tot his first --- 18:40 <IronY> we are not sure if it is to keep them out of here, us out of there, or to just invade us should that need be | 02:55 |
| IronY | that was more a 'this is gonna be bad' | 02:55 |
| IronY | we were already house crazy due to winter | 02:55 |
| IronY | it being nice outside is going to bring on marital law | 02:56 |
| adventurer | on a wiki page someone just deleted all the references of numbers by day and state because 'too many references' i don't know i think being able to track the numbers by references might be wise rather than just having a number | 02:56 |
| adventurer | oh well | 02:56 |
| IronY | adventurer: well, at some point we could just track people who have not been infected | 02:56 |
| IronY | so there is that! | 02:56 |
| adventurer | hmm | 02:57 |
| adventurer | it might get to that at some point they will be the people who still need to be protected but hopefully vaccine will come sooner than we think but I keep hearing 12-18 months | 02:57 |
| adventurer | and ordinarily would take 10 years | 02:57 |
| IronY | I dont' there were getting a vaccine | 02:58 |
| IronY | think were* | 02:58 |
| adventurer | no? | 02:58 |
| IronY | Still waiting on that AIDS/HIV vaccine | 02:58 |
| adventurer | aren't they already testing some though? | 02:58 |
| adventurer | mm | 02:58 |
| IronY | or the sars one, or the mers one | 02:58 |
| IronY | fairly sure vaccine talk is more a stop gap for public panic | 02:59 |
| IronY | but thats my opinion | 02:59 |
| IronY | ( I am not claiming their wont be treatments or anything like that) | 03:01 |
| oxapentane | IronY: well, but on the other hand we already making one for flu twice a year, even with flu mutation rate | 03:01 |
| IronY | oxapentane: we are good at vaccines for flus | 03:01 |
| IronY | we have no corona vaccines | 03:01 |
| IronY | each year we build on the flu vaccine, we are starting from scratch on this one | 03:02 |
| IronY | we have data from sars and mers | 03:02 |
| IronY | so almost from scratch I guess | 03:02 |
| IronY | yuriwho: am I wrong? | 03:02 |
| oxapentane | IronY: well, flu vaccine is just a combination of two viral strains that cannot replcate in humans =) | 03:03 |
| oxapentane | IIRC my biochem | 03:03 |
| oxapentane | And has right antigenes on the surface | 03:04 |
| ryouma | antigens? | 03:04 |
| ryouma | or do you mean antisense? | 03:04 |
| oxapentane | ryouma: proteins on the surface by which our immune system can recognize the virus | 03:05 |
| IronY | In before the Movie I am Legend becomes reality | 03:05 |
| adventurer | https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSSC/videos/640130693216724/ | 03:05 |
| adventurer | QLD health minister | 03:06 |
| yuriwho | Flu is a totally different beast not useful in guiding COVID-19 vaccine work. There are lessons learned from SARS/MERS that actually suggest this will be a challenging vaccine to make but we likely can make an effective vaccine. Safety is the big question. | 03:06 |
| IronY | *stands true to his in before I am legend is reality ;) * | 03:06 |
| oxapentane | IronY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Reassortment.svg | 03:07 |
| oxapentane | Here's the scheme of the process for the flu | 03:07 |
| yuriwho | I expect the vaccine work to be continuous for at least 10 years assuming this becomes endemic. | 03:08 |
| IronY | is it not already endemic | 03:08 |
| dunnp | oxapentane: then they kill it anyway | 03:08 |
| adventurer | omg 20+ people got it in one restaurant here | 03:09 |
| IronY | wheres here again adventurer | 03:09 |
| adventurer | and they are telling people 'it's still completely safe to go vote at your local primary school' | 03:09 |
| adventurer | Australia | 03:09 |
| IronY | U guys are confusing | 03:09 |
| IronY | u started this 2 weeks before us | 03:09 |
| IronY | and ur actions are 2 weeks behind us | 03:10 |
| adventurer | hmm | 03:10 |
| adventurer | Where are you IronY | 03:10 |
| IronY | canada | 03:10 |
| IronY | %data australia | 03:10 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Australia, there are 3378 cases, 13 deaths (0.4% of cases), 170 recoveries as of March 28, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 7.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 03:10 |
| IronY | we grew quicker how ever | 03:10 |
| IronY | %data canada | 03:10 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Canada, there are 4757 cases, 55 deaths (1.2% of cases), 354 recoveries as of March 28, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 03:10 |
| adventurer | They will treat people at home while they are isolated at home here | 03:11 |
| adventurer | hmm | 03:11 |
| adventurer | I have a bad feeling about this | 03:11 |
| IronY | yuriwho: did you see how we are going to do our 'recovered' stats | 03:11 |
| IronY | yuriwho: 14 days, no tests required! | 03:11 |
| ryouma | adventurer: if they do it right that is perfect | 03:12 |
| IronY | yep | 03:12 |
| IronY | Well I guess I can go write a scrip to calculate our recoverd rate based on a time diff on case report | 03:13 |
| IronY | maybe I will do that this evening | 03:13 |
| oxapentane | IronY: whould they at least substract all the corpses? | 03:13 |
| yuriwho | many severe cases will never recover fully, we should have morbidity info too | 03:13 |
| IronY | too soon lol | 03:13 |
| adventurer | https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-spain-stops-using-chinese-test-kits-after-its-found-they-have-a-30-per-cent-accuracy/news-story/c87b6929a0447d9d00a14b0938735c68 | 03:16 |
| adventurer | not good | 03:16 |
| IronY | is it more false positives or more false negatives | 03:16 |
| IronY | if it is false positives it could of technically worked in their favor | 03:17 |
| IronY | assume u were told to stay at home and not put into a hospital that assured you would get it | 03:17 |
| jacklsw | bioeasy company | 03:17 |
| jacklsw | more like easy money | 03:17 |
| IronY | this is why you don't order ur test kids from ebay or wish | 03:18 |
| IronY | I kept telling em | 03:18 |
| IronY | %data spain | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Spain, there are 65719 cases, 5138 deaths (7.8% of cases), 9357 recoveries as of March 28, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 03:18 |
| IronY | %data us | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, US, there are 104142 cases, 1695 deaths (1.6% of cases), 2522 recoveries as of March 28, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:18 |
| IronY | LjL: If you need a distraction at any point it be nice to have the numbers notated | 03:19 |
| LjL | notated? | 03:19 |
| IronY | the more pot I smoke in a day, the more I respect the , separator | 03:19 |
| LjL | oh | 03:19 |
| LjL | pfft they aren't so high yet | 03:20 |
| LjL | also using , as a separator is evil | 03:20 |
| LjL | ISO wants spaces | 03:20 |
| IronY | I would settle with just allowing the usage of the spelling colour | 03:20 |
| IronY | small wins | 03:20 |
| LjL | i can "import humanize" | 03:21 |
| href | hi | 03:21 |
| LjL | and then it'll say "today there are a few cases and a couple deaths" | 03:21 |
| LjL | or somesuch | 03:21 |
| LjL | hi you | 03:21 |
| IronY | Add that to a scrape of some random motivating quote | 03:21 |
| IronY | 'Today there was like a lot of a lot of deaths, and you miss one hundred percent of the shots you do not take' | 03:22 |
| LjL | chinese fortune cookies? | 03:22 |
| LjL | seem appropriate | 03:22 |
| IronY | "You are the only person alive, Things may seem much worse than they are." | 03:23 |
| IronY | https://www.astrology.com/game/fortune-cookie.html | 03:24 |
| oxapentane | "You will soon receive a surprise from a lover." lel | 03:26 |
| ryouma | suppose you get exposed to one virion. it gets past your innate system and gets noticed by your adaptive system. it doesn't get into a cell. (this might already be mistaken assumptions.) could you in theory develop immunity in a few weeks to the virus without getting sick? | 03:28 |
| ryouma | i should have asked that on ##biology | 03:28 |
| ryouma | # | 03:28 |
| LjL | i mean i feel that's the kind of thing that i'm happy to see asked here | 03:28 |
| LjL | whether it's the best place to also get answers, probably not | 03:29 |
| LjL | can't lie about what i'm selling, mostly a channel full of fretting people :P | 03:29 |
| LjL | with the odd virologist | 03:29 |
| LjL | or two | 03:29 |
| oxapentane | the topic wouldn't fret all over itself :D | 03:31 |
| AngryWalrus34 | %data canada | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | AngryWalrus34: In all areas, Canada, there are 4757 cases, 55 deaths (1.2% of cases), 354 recoveries as of March 28, 02:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 03:33 |
| AngryWalrus34 | %data USA | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | AngryWalrus34: In all areas, US, there are 104142 cases, 1695 deaths (1.6% of cases), 2522 recoveries as of March 28, 02:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +462 cases (now 597534), +7 deaths (now 27364), +5 recoveries (now 133360) 🔹 Alaska, US: +16 cases (now 85) 🔹 Argentina: +101 cases (now 690), +4 deaths (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +195 cases (now 3573) 🔹 Bolivia: +13 cases (now 74) 🔹 Brazil: +60 cases (now 3477), +1 deaths (now 93) 🔹 Brunei: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Cambodia: +2 recoveries (now 13) [... want %more?] | 03:38 |
| ryouma | science commentary by reading only the title, and not being an expert in the specific domains of the paper, is pretty lame | 03:39 |
| ryouma | but: | 03:39 |
| ryouma | fwiw: | 03:40 |
| ryouma | Stanford researchers confirm N95 masks can be sterilized and reused with virtually no loss of filtration efficiency by leaving in oven for 30 mins at 70C / 158F → https://redd.it/fo0rpe | 03:40 |
| LjL | saw that | 03:43 |
| LjL | if only i had even one N95 mask! | 03:43 |
| adventurer | One of the smarter ladies I know mentioned the air conditioning in hotels | 03:47 |
| adventurer | she might be right | 03:47 |
| adventurer | if all the people arriving don't all have it but are put in hotels with shared aircon... | 03:47 |
| LjL | hm | 03:48 |
| adventurer | I heard it happening elsewhere where people who lived above and below each other in units got it | 03:48 |
| LjL | but that can't happen because the WHO said it isn't really airborne except with coughs and such | 03:48 |
| LjL | they said that based on the fact no paper was published saying it WAS airborne | 03:48 |
| LjL | then a couple of papers were | 03:48 |
| adventurer | I have heard other mainstream news sources saying it could survive in the air for 3 hrs | 03:48 |
| LjL | but they were probably too busy saying "test test test" to read those | 03:48 |
| adventurer | She is smart she said crank the airconss up in shopping centres /hotels for a day or two after a known case as some say it can't survive above 22 degrees long | 03:50 |
| ryouma | so what is the answer? | 03:51 |
| adventurer | I odn'tn know but it would be bad if they put them into hotels and then they caught it from each other | 03:51 |
| adventurer | through the aircon | 03:51 |
| adventurer | bad thought | 03:52 |
| adventurer | hopefully not | 03:52 |
| ryouma | i mean, if my gf gets sick, and suppresses coughs miraculously, and doesn't transmit it to me by shared surfaces miraculously, but walks past, with contaminated clothing on, would i be exposed? | 03:52 |
| IronY | I really wish I did not have a bagless vacuum lol | 03:52 |
| adventurer | maybe they can have no aircon for 2 weeks but god knows if they'd put up with it | 03:52 |
| ryouma | i have a reusable respirator, but for health reasons, and lack of alcohol etc., do not have the ability to decontaminate it. nor do i have a place where i can put it to lie fallow for 3 days. so i stick it in a bag. but then i figure the outside might bec ontaminating the inside. | 03:53 |
| IronY | "70C /158F heating in an oven (not your home oven) for30min, or hot water vapor from boiling water for 10 min, are additional effective | 03:54 |
| IronY | decontamination methods." | 03:54 |
| IronY | Should I use someone elses oven?> | 03:54 |
| ryouma | maybe public spaces including hotel rooms could be designed to withstand heat. then they can ber decontaminated by turning upt he heat raelly high. | 03:54 |
| IronY | I did not want to be the first person to bring this up | 03:54 |
| IronY | but we are gonna fuck our power grids come summer | 03:55 |
| ryouma | i.e. no offgassing of volatile materials, cords, no carpets, etc. | 03:55 |
| ryouma | that concerns me | 03:55 |
| IronY | America + Canada + everyone at home + global warming + even the poor classes in both country having access to air conditioning = bad news bears | 03:55 |
| ryouma | where i live is not survivable for me without ac | 03:55 |
| adventurer | they used to make a lot of stuff out of copper but stopped | 03:57 |
| adventurer | virus survives less long on copper than plastic or glass we use now | 03:57 |
| IronY | gonna go make a kitchen counter out of used heat syncs | 03:58 |
| IronY | brb | 03:58 |
| adventurer | Also they said 1.5m is not a good advice it must be more like 2m+ because the 1.5m was based on old advice from small pox or something on the radio. not certain on the details | 04:01 |
| adventurer | but the rules here are 1.5m | 04:01 |
| adventurer | so hmm | 04:01 |
| LjL | 1m here | 04:02 |
| LjL | but really people won't be using tape rulers | 04:02 |
| LjL | they'll just be doing whatever they feel is beyond their normal private space distance | 04:02 |
| LjL | which is going to be cultural | 04:02 |
| adventurer | If you ever used a oil diffuser you see how something in the air dances around everywhere anyway randomly | 04:02 |
| adventurer | true LjL | 04:03 |
| ryouma | 4.5m sounds better to me. 15 feet or so. | 04:03 |
| LjL | also let's stop kidding, this is most likely aerosolized just fine | 04:03 |
| adventurer | After this I think it might be wise to go back to copper and not use it 4 hours after cleaning either | 04:04 |
| adventurer | but I don't think we will | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:59 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Daily update on United States data from the Covid Tracking Project reports the following one day % changes: — from r/WorldNews at 02:59: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/iIv1ml | 04:06 |
| LjL | omg | 04:06 |
| LjL | i bought an oxygen concentrator | 04:06 |
| LjL | €320 | 04:06 |
| LjL | "only 1 left" | 04:06 |
| LjL | i didn't even... i assume it's the same type i've seen previously a few times | 04:06 |
| LjL | chinese stuff, won't be great | 04:06 |
| LjL | but i've been saying for like weeks that if i could go back when those were available, i'd buy one | 04:06 |
| LjL | so well | 04:06 |
| LjL | Spec, ↑ | 04:07 |
| LjL | only one that's been available on prime in weeks... at least, i kind of kept checking | 04:08 |
| LjL | except for a ridiculous one that was available a couple of days ago, but it provided 30% oxygen | 04:08 |
| LjL | i think that's just... uh, air? | 04:08 |
| ubLX | how long will that take to arrive? | 04:08 |
| LjL | ubLX, april 3 | 04:10 |
| ubLX | hm. not bad | 04:11 |
| adventurer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCJvNEzPgeM | 04:11 |
| adventurer | Russel Brand heh | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:10 UTC: /u/slakmehl: NYT has a new chart they will update daily that shows how death growth rates are changing for each country over time. — from r/WorldNews at 03:10: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/GWtd4r | 04:12 |
| Spec | LjL: air is like, 20% oxy | 04:19 |
| LjL | Spec, am aware, but 30% doesn't sound so impressive | 04:21 |
| LjL | Spec, anyway https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B07BT834VB/ | 04:21 |
| LjL | Spec, it's the model (many brands, but always same-looking thing) i had eyed the most when it was available | 04:22 |
| LjL | apart from one comparatively very cheap €130 model that only output 50% max | 04:22 |
| Spec | fancy looking | 04:22 |
| Spec | does it just do electrolysis w/ water? | 04:22 |
| Spec | what's it do with the hydrogen? | 04:23 |
| LjL | Spec, no, i believe the water is just for humidifying the air, many of these have that, i guess it may output very dry air otherwise | 04:23 |
| LjL | Spec, the mechanism of action is not something i've quite understood, but i think it mainly removes the nitrogen | 04:23 |
| LjL | and then pumps it at pressure | 04:23 |
| LjL | the remainder | 04:23 |
| Spec | oh | 04:24 |
| ryouma | zeolite | 04:24 |
| LjL | Spec, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_concentrator#Pressure_swing_adsorption | 04:24 |
| LjL | you may understand more of this | 04:24 |
| LjL | ryouma, yes | 04:24 |
| Spec | a nitrogen scrubber, neat | 04:24 |
| LjL | ryouma, do you use one of these? | 04:24 |
| Spec | LjL: i could do cryogenic separation i suspect | 04:25 |
| Spec | but it's explosive if you fuck it up! | 04:25 |
| ryouma | i am too sick to fix my oxygen concentrator, which i have needed for a long time, but have been too sick to fix. it is highly useful for me. | 04:25 |
| LjL | :( | 04:27 |
| LjL | ryouma, this one i've bought, i'm afraid it's probably the crappy kind of chinese thing, but i can't buy a medical grade one. it says 1 to 6L at 90%, but in reality it only does 90% at 2L, then 33% at 6L | 04:27 |
| LjL | as i am reading, 6L is normal breathing rate (when not even exercising), so in reality 90% is not realistic | 04:27 |
| LjL | there was also this one https://www.amazon.it/InLoveArts-Ricaricabile-Generatore-Concentratore-ricaricabile/dp/B083J21P52/ briefly on prime the other day, but it's even more ridiculous, 1-3L with 30% oxygen (so presumably only at 1 or 2L) | 04:29 |
| ryouma | you need to read up on masks vs. cannulas and non-rebreather vs. normal masks. in this case you will probably be just using a cannula at 3lpm or something if you get covid. idk if that will be useful. i know they have been tried for covid, but idk at what lpm. | 04:29 |
| ryouma | don't expect normal breathing rate to be 6lpm | 04:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, well i know there's a certain percentage (probably around 5%) that aren't bad enough to need ICU but would probably die without at least oxygen | 04:30 |
| LjL | so it's a narrow range | 04:30 |
| LjL | but my dad is 75, a smoker, and using ARBs, which initially seemed like they could help, now people are saying they make it worse | 04:30 |
| LjL | so i'll take what i can get | 04:30 |
| ryouma | this migth hve notes on it in which case tell us but it could also be really out of date by now [[https://emcrit.org/ibcc/covid19/][COVID-19 - EMCrit Project]] | 04:30 |
| ryouma | what are arbs | 04:31 |
| ryouma | force him to stop smoking | 04:31 |
| ryouma | coerce him | 04:31 |
| LjL | Currently, most guidelines are recommending HFNC as a preferred modality for patients failing low-flow cannula (e.g. SSC campaign, ANZICS). This should be instituted with close monitoring and airborne precautions. | 04:31 |
| LjL | ryouma, actually it's even *worse* if he stops smoking, aiui | 04:32 |
| LjL | ARBs are high blood pressure medications | 04:32 |
| LjL | they block ACE2 receptors | 04:32 |
| LjL | which sounds good since then the virus can't bind to them | 04:32 |
| ryouma | high flow is a really special thing. oxygenc ocnentrators don't do that. | 04:32 |
| ryouma | yours won't | 04:32 |
| LjL | but then apparently the body upregulates the production of ACE2 receptors | 04:32 |
| LjL | so you end up with many more | 04:32 |
| ryouma | LjL: ok i take teh force him thing back then | 04:33 |
| LjL | and smoking also causes proliferation of ACE2 receptors | 04:33 |
| LjL | ryouma, there's a paper that says, of course, non-smokers are least at risk, but between smokers and ex-smokers, ex-smokers are more at risk | 04:33 |
| LjL | they have more ACE2 and they are *also* more available, i suppose the simplistic explanation is | 04:33 |
| LjL | yuriwho, correctish? | 04:33 |
| ryouma | is ace inhibitors the same ace as ace2? | 04:34 |
| ryouma | ace inhibitors can cause angioedema | 04:34 |
| ryouma | hfnc is a special tube that totally covers your nose | 04:34 |
| ryouma | it's like 15lpm | 04:34 |
| LjL | ryouma, i'm really confused about the various ACE2-like receptors, and difference between inhibitors and blockers | 04:35 |
| LjL | but i do believe what my parents are taking is an ACE2 blocker | 04:35 |
| LjL | ryouma, yeah says up to even 60L/min on this page | 04:35 |
| ryouma | what are ssc campaign? what is anzics? | 04:35 |
| ryouma | holy !@#$ | 04:35 |
| yuriwho | correct, also new paper today: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.20043745v1 | 04:36 |
| LjL | ryouma, no idea, but anyway the fact it says "for patients failing low-flow cannula" means to me that some patients CAN be okay with a low-flow thing | 04:36 |
| LjL | ryouma, really, if my dad goes into full "old smoker with hypertension" mode, he's either ending up in an ICU bed, or dying, or both | 04:36 |
| LjL | but if he has a mild case and his saturation just goes below 90% or something | 04:37 |
| LjL | i hope something like this can help him without going to hospital | 04:37 |
| LjL | if not... i've wated €320 | 04:37 |
| ryouma | it might only work for a small probability edge case unless he has preexisting lung conditions or so (i.e. already uses oxygenc oncentratopr) | 04:37 |
| LjL | it seems kind of a bet worth making in the current rather shitty situation | 04:37 |
| LjL | yeah others have told me the same. it may only work in very specific circumstances | 04:37 |
| LjL | i feel the need to know i "can do something" though | 04:38 |
| LjL | and i suspect i'd feel shitty forever if i hadn't bought it when possible and then he dies | 04:38 |
| LjL | when i failed to buy it before, when they were cheaper and more available... the situation didn't seem so grim | 04:38 |
| LjL | i was still sort of under the impression that most people wouldn't eventually get this | 04:38 |
| LjL | it was still a tiny percentage of people getting it, and it wasn't so clear to me that everyone eventually getting it was kind of unavoidable | 04:39 |
| LjL | ryouma, as to his conditions, he coughs a lot sometimes, but his oxygen saturation is normally decent | 04:39 |
| yuriwho | LjL: keep him safe till new therapies arrive and the hospitals are not overloaded | 04:40 |
| LjL | ryouma, what sort of oxygen concentrator is your broken one? | 04:40 |
| LjL | yuriwho, right | 04:40 |
| ryouma | you can try it and if he feels better on it while not infected then maybe it will be of some use | 04:40 |
| LjL | i just hope this piece of hardware doesn't explode, although it's not like a CE mark would make it less likely to explode | 04:40 |
| ryouma | if not, maybe not. it would be good if you could sort of share it with a bunch of folk who think they might need it. | 04:41 |
| LjL | i should look at what this comes with, in terms of cannulas, masks, or whatever | 04:41 |
| ryouma | you can make him sicker if you use the wrong thing | 04:41 |
| ryouma | so read up on the types of masks | 04:41 |
| LjL | ryouma, i immediately shared the link with someone i knew could need it, because it said there was still "only 1 left" with Prime even after i bought it, but it disappeared before long | 04:42 |
| ryouma | i meant the device :) | 04:42 |
| LjL | and when they're not Prime they're useless since they come from China | 04:42 |
| ryouma | like, locally | 04:42 |
| LjL | ah | 04:42 |
| LjL | well we do have some old people in the building | 04:42 |
| LjL | and one with very bad asthma i believe | 04:42 |
| ryouma | what does prime have to do with it? | 04:42 |
| ryouma | that one would be a good one to monitor | 04:43 |
| ryouma | i am in dire need of inhaler but "prior authorization" means the pharmacy won't order it without paperwork. | 04:44 |
| LjL | ryouma, Prime means it gets shipped from Italy or at least from inside the EU, anyway it means Amazon takes care of the shipping | 04:44 |
| LjL | if it gets shipped by a random seller in China, on the other hand, it'll take two months to get to italy | 04:44 |
| ryouma | basically rebreather means you breathe your own breath. there are lpm limits. also beware a lot of this stuff has offgassing materials, so chemically sensitive will have issues. | 04:44 |
| LjL | and then it'll be stuck at Customs for another two months | 04:45 |
| LjL | and then Customs will want me to pay more money | 04:45 |
| ryouma | and prime fixes that? | 04:45 |
| LjL | yeah | 04:45 |
| LjL | prime means i get it april 3 | 04:45 |
| IronY | LjL: I read the same smokers white paper | 04:45 |
| IronY | can confirm that is what it says | 04:45 |
| IronY | the healthy recovered healthy lung tissue in former smokers has more ACE2 surface | 04:46 |
| LjL | hmm the concentrator i bought, at least according to the pictures, is similar but not identical to other models i've seen with the same shape. it LOOKS like this one doesn't have a CE mark and the others do | 04:46 |
| ryouma | what is the 1 paragraph summary of ace2 in covid? what it is and what role it plays? | 04:46 |
| ryouma | or even 2 sentences. | 04:46 |
| LjL | IronY, i am an ex-smoker but i'm sort of young so hopefully i won't have much of an issue myself | 04:46 |
| IronY | I am a current smoker | 04:46 |
| IronY | I would still rather be in ur shoes | 04:46 |
| IronY | how young is young | 04:47 |
| LjL | but if CovBot's percentages have any grain of truth, even at my age, chances of hospitalizations are high | 04:47 |
| LjL | !risk 37 | 04:47 |
| IronY | ur 2 years older than me | 04:47 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 37 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.7% chance of survival, a 15.9% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 4.5% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.3% chance of death. | 04:47 |
| IronY | I am suspect of the hospitalization numbers after reading the NYC article | 04:47 |
| IronY | Hospitalization could mean you went for 3 hours | 04:47 |
| radionova | non dairy hagen daz is the bomb | 04:47 |
| LjL | ryouma, it is a receptor. it has some purpose that i don't know about (something concerning blood pressure i'd imagine, given it's used for that). but the virus uses it to bind and to enter cells | 04:48 |
| ryouma | hospitalization sounds more like admitted to hospital as an inpatient | 04:48 |
| ryouma | but what do i know | 04:48 |
| IronY | I guess that explains diabetes / hyper tension / obesity being bad news bears | 04:48 |
| LjL | back of the one i bought: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61XEdAq2FlL._AC_SL1000_.jpg back of similar ones i saw previously: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51sx%2BIQq-pL._AC_SL1001_.jpg | 04:48 |
| ryouma | is it a channel or connected to a channel? or just something the virus binds? | 04:49 |
| IronY | what is this thing? | 04:49 |
| guideX | does anyone know if you can still run on pedestrian/bike paths near the queen mary/shoreline villiage in Long Beach CA? I got an emergency alert on my phone stating, '... bike paths and trails are closed ..." | 04:50 |
| IronY | You got an emergency alert saying there closed | 04:50 |
| IronY | there closed | 04:50 |
| guideX | well idk, it's a pedestrian walkway, and a bike path | 04:51 |
| IronY | lol | 04:51 |
| guideX | along the beach | 04:51 |
| IronY | There closed, they did not sent you an emergency notice telling u its ok to walk but dont bike | 04:51 |
| radionova | lol | 04:52 |
| radionova | closed | 04:52 |
| IronY | ;) | 04:52 |
| guideX | well, if you live right there, you have no choice but to walk on the pedestrian walkway I guess | 04:52 |
| guideX | if you want to go anywhere, but maybe that's closed too? | 04:53 |
| LjL | ryouma, i can't answer that | 04:53 |
| IronY | lgl what is this thing i wanna see if i can get one | 04:53 |
| IronY | (before knowing what it is, because purchasing things makes me happy_ | 04:53 |
| LjL | IronY, 4.5% risk of ICU is pretty damned high | 04:53 |
| guideX | like, it doesn't really compute, that they have closed a public walkway, what happens if I go anyways | 04:53 |
| IronY | !risk 35 | 04:53 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 35 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.7% chance of survival, a 14.7% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 3.9% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.3% chance of death. | 04:53 |
| IronY | guideX: You get put into prison, until people eventually get mad enough they just start shooting u | 04:54 |
| IronY | and I am not joking | 04:54 |
| IronY | stay the fuck home | 04:54 |
| IronY | u live in a country with idiots with guns | 04:54 |
| IronY | who are trying not to die because u want a nice scenic walk | 04:54 |
| guideX | I like to run and maintain my fitness level is the only reason I'm wondering | 04:54 |
| guideX | I run about 10 miles along the beach path | 04:54 |
| IronY | guideX: Your basically assuring me youll have martial law soon | 04:54 |
| IronY | people like getting surgeries | 04:55 |
| IronY | there not able to do that right now | 04:55 |
| LjL | when you said "<ryouma> don't expect normal breathing rate to be 6lpm" i assume that means you expect normal rate to be higher? also, i guess a concentrator+rebreather combination could work better even if the concentrator is not too powerful? | 04:55 |
| radionova | as long as u stay away from crowds | 04:55 |
| radionova | is it not legal to go outside? | 04:55 |
| guideX | like, how do you maintain your fitness level and immunity level if you can't run | 04:55 |
| IronY | guideX: I have some special information for you | 04:55 |
| radionova | do exercises at home? | 04:55 |
| IronY | you have millions of miles of roads | 04:55 |
| IronY | million sof miles | 04:55 |
| radionova | do squats, do pushups | 04:56 |
| guideX | ah so, run on the road, I can do that | 04:56 |
| IronY | there are very few cars on them right now | 04:56 |
| radionova | theres a million ways to do it in your house | 04:56 |
| IronY | just dont run on the one place u literally got an emergency broadcast not to run on | 04:56 |
| IronY | and u will be fine | 04:56 |
| radionova | people in prison get ripped all the time | 04:56 |
| IronY | lol | 04:56 |
| IronY | LjL: 2 years makes a 2.5% risk difference | 04:57 |
| IronY | thats incredible | 04:57 |
| IronY | !risk 27 | 04:57 |
| yuriwho | this may not be appropriate but it sure is funny: Canadian Ventilator hacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OFMZDNKvU&t=410s | 04:57 |
| LjL | well these numbers may need to be taken with a grain of salt | 04:57 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 27 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.9% chance of survival, a 9.7% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 1.7% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.1% chance of death. | 04:57 |
| IronY | oh of course | 04:57 |
| IronY | yuriwho: I will happily watch this every time u paste it | 04:58 |
| yuriwho | it's another vid | 04:58 |
| yuriwho | by the same guy | 04:58 |
| IronY | he said aboot | 04:58 |
| IronY | he literally said aboot | 04:58 |
| IronY | ffs | 04:58 |
| yuriwho | he's in BC | 04:58 |
| guideX | this is usually my path http://skywirenews.com/run.jpg maybe some people know the area | 04:58 |
| IronY | I love it | 04:58 |
| ryouma | i cannot answer the second question. i think if you try to live on your ocnentrator at 6 you won't be pleased. even top medical grade ones at much more would not be pleasing to live on. you want to have air. --- 20:55 <LjL> when you said "<ryouma> don't expect normal breathing rate to be 6lpm" i assume that means you expect normal rate to be higher? also, i guess a concentrator+rebreather combination could work b | 04:59 |
| ryouma | etter even if the concentrator is not too powerful? | 04:59 |
| LjL | oh well | 04:59 |
| LjL | it seems likely i've wasted my money | 05:00 |
| IronY | I bought a cb radio man | 05:00 |
| LjL | but at least i can feel a little calmer about it | 05:00 |
| IronY | wasting money is the thing to do right now | 05:00 |
| ryouma | i can understand your desire to do everything youy can for your father | 05:00 |
| IronY | yuriwho: is this what you would call fluidics | 05:01 |
| yuriwho | macrofluidics v. microfluidics | 05:01 |
| ryouma | guideX: jump rope | 05:03 |
| IronY | Spanks for watching, keep your dick in a vice - Dude building lungs in the garage #2020 | 05:04 |
| guideX | ryouma, do you thinjk running outside is a risky activity? | 05:04 |
| ryouma | guideX: just follow the lockdown stuff please? | 05:04 |
| guideX | well, it's ambiguous because, newsom says to still go for walks so idk | 05:05 |
| guideX | they aren't really talking clearly about running | 05:05 |
| ryouma | dunno | 05:05 |
| ryouma | LjL: your concentrator might not be that bad, but it might not be what was used for covid | 05:06 |
| LjL | ryouma, worst case i can use it to get high on oxygen | 05:07 |
| ryouma | or see if your neighbor thinks it is helpful | 05:07 |
| ryouma | seems to be related to 2 guidelines for sepsis --- 20:31 <LjL> Currently, most guidelines are recommending HFNC as a preferred modality for patients failing low-flow cannula (e.g. SSC campaign, ANZICS). This should be instituted with close monitoring and airborne precautions. | 05:11 |
| ubLX | LjL: I can't pretend to understand the dynamics of breathing support, but if 6L/min is normal, and someone has something pneumonia-like, you'd expect their volume per minute to much lower, no? And isn't it the case that the concentrator is not intended to supply your needed 6L/min of air, but merely to improve the oxygen fraction of the air you're drawing under your own power? | 05:12 |
| yuriwho | medcram has a great vid on youtube explaining ventilator use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk_Qf-JAL84 | 05:14 |
| LjL | i think they'd have *higher* volume per minute to try to make up for decreased oxygen takeup | 05:14 |
| LjL | i.e. they'd breathe faster | 05:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:57 UTC: Australia’s coronavirus toll: Covid-19 related deaths across the country: As the number of cases rises, so too does the number of those who have died. Here is a state-by-state list of virus-related fatalities — from r/WorldNews at 03:57: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/WAbchO | 05:14 |
| ubLX | naive guess i suppose but i'd faster but lower overall volume | 05:14 |
| ubLX | *i'd guess faster | 05:15 |
| IronY | yuriwho: what plastic is used in face shields | 05:17 |
| yuriwho | polycarbonate | 05:17 |
| berndj | what's the deal with "airborne transmission"? yes or no? | 05:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:16 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia's private hospitals face closure after coronavirus causes elective surgery ban — from r/WorldNews at 04:16: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/1bnKPV | 05:26 |
| yuriwho | no, large droplets transmission IMO | 05:27 |
| berndj | closure??? aren't private hospitals needed for their bed capacity?? | 05:27 |
| berndj | yuriwho, yeah, but how sure are we that small-droplet (or naked virus??) transmission isn't a (big) factor? | 05:28 |
| yuriwho | to be demonstrated | 05:31 |
| yuriwho | their is too much PCR data and not enough infectious dose data | 05:32 |
| ryouma | i'd like to know what berndj asks | 05:40 |
| berndj | all the authorities seem to say not to worry about airborne transmission, but then how come this remains so hard to get under control? | 05:41 |
| IronY | well now that he is gone | 05:51 |
| IronY | berndj: because of people like guideX, who after getting a message specifically not to do something, wants to do it, 'for his fitness' | 05:51 |
| IronY | 'I know I might like kill a thousand old people or something, But I really care about my gains, and not being able to get my gains in the most optimal scenic spot is kinda a no go for me, So a thousand people be damned' -- A lot of peoples attitude | 05:53 |
| ryouma | IronY: so he goes jogging. and transmits it by his exhalation? | 05:53 |
| ryouma | and that's preventable at what distance? | 05:54 |
| berndj | i don't think that's the attitude of people who want to go exercising alone | 05:54 |
| IronY | ryouma: he goes jogging the same people 1000 people like him go jogging , despite being told not to go jogging in that area | 05:54 |
| IronY | and the virus continues | 05:54 |
| IronY | again, this is not about him not jogging | 05:54 |
| IronY | this is about having to ask if it is ok to go jogging the one place ur phone just told u via a state wide alert, its not | 05:54 |
| ryouma | yeah i get it | 05:54 |
| berndj | that's because people don't trust the state | 05:54 |
| IronY | I am using this dude as an example, he is far from alone in his train of thought | 05:55 |
| ryouma | but i wanted to know about the question i asked anyway | 05:55 |
| berndj | because too often it's abused that trust | 05:55 |
| IronY | berndj: he lives on a beach in cali | 05:55 |
| berndj | saw a cynical quote yesterday, something like "public officials are not there to inform you, they're there to manage you" | 05:55 |
| IronY | To give humans a little bit of credit | 05:56 |
| IronY | a lot of my old illegal substance friends are posting things like 'Fuck it, if you see someone outside, call the 5-0, this is not snitches get stitches, this is lets not mass murder' | 05:56 |
| IronY | as in if you see a large group of people outside clearly not in the same family unit doing dumb shit | 05:56 |
| IronY | these people 2 months ago would never so much as admit to looking at a police officer | 05:57 |
| IronY | so it seems we are making progress | 05:57 |
| IronY | I am not even worried about the crazy conspiracy people | 05:58 |
| IronY | because lets be honest | 05:58 |
| IronY | they never left the house anyway | 05:58 |
| berndj | some people are just dumb. others are callous. others simply don't believe the premises stated to be the ones that rules are based on. they're not all the same | 05:59 |
| IronY | the big thing in canada right now is the igorant masses saying there not paying their april rent | 05:59 |
| IronY | because 'their landlords dont have to pay mortgages' | 05:59 |
| IronY | which is not true for 90% of landlords | 05:59 |
| yuriwho | yea, I heard about that. The GTA real estate market is gonna have a burp | 06:00 |
| berndj | sometimes i wonder if for situations like this, the entire free-ish market economy should just back up its money-state and then switch to a command economy until this is over, and then after it's done we restore the backup | 06:01 |
| IronY | Maybe this will end with a licence to breed | 06:01 |
| IronY | I am not evil enough to say lets get rid of all the dumb people | 06:02 |
| IronY | but I would sure prefer them not to procreate | 06:02 |
| berndj | limiting reproductive rights is severely problematic, but just letting people breed with no thought to the consequences is also problematic | 06:02 |
| IronY | like, all the people getting arrested right now for the coronavirus memes, tik tok pranks, the idiots caughing on people (look it up, its a teen challenge to caugh on a old person and yell coronavirus) | 06:03 |
| IronY | berndj: I need a licence to drive a car | 06:03 |
| berndj | yeah but when you start talking about licences to breed the N word comes out in, like 2 seconds | 06:03 |
| IronY | It is slightly my governments fault | 06:03 |
| berndj | (and i'm referring to a 4-letter initialism, not the other one that's a 6-letter word) | 06:04 |
| IronY | they offer incentive to being critically thinking challenged | 06:04 |
| IronY | You can supplement your welfare payments with baby bonus payments | 06:04 |
| berndj | yeah we have that here too. and worse, you can supplement it some more if your baby is disabled | 06:05 |
| IronY | have 5 kids, get bulk discounts on the bare minimum staple food, drink the rest #northerOntario | 06:05 |
| IronY | oh, and to top it all off | 06:06 |
| IronY | these are the people who are yelling 'THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING NOTHING FOR US' right now, the loudest | 06:06 |
| IronY | the whole thing makes my head hurt, sorry for the rant | 06:06 |
| ubLX | yuriwho: nice and informative sequence of videos! from which one might extract a sense of applicability of non-invasive breathing assistance. don't suppose you can recommend a like sequence that dwells only on non-invasive methods (ie concentrators) and also that touches on target oxygen inhalation fractions wrt various medical factors? | 06:07 |
| yuriwho | I have not researched that ubLX | 06:08 |
| ubLX | thx anyway! | 06:09 |
| ubLX | IronY: i suppose you like the film Idiocracy? | 06:10 |
| IronY | ubLX: Film, prophetic masterpiece, time will tell :D | 06:11 |
| ubLX | never saw it. is it worth the watch? | 06:11 |
| IronY | Oh absolutely | 06:11 |
| ubLX | k lol | 06:11 |
| IronY | I am also going to put that on now | 06:12 |
| yuriwho | love that film, I just recommended it to someone today | 06:12 |
| IronY | I was trying to watch the alien movies but I really cannot get into 1979 special effects anymore, even when it is a 4k re-release | 06:12 |
| ubLX | IronY: would you say that culpability scales with insight? | 06:12 |
| IronY | ubLX: how so | 06:13 |
| ubLX | just.. very generally, or abstractly | 06:13 |
| ubLX | can a being be culpable absent insight | 06:13 |
| IronY | This is why I wont go as far has saying remove all the dumb peoplez | 06:14 |
| IronY | I do understand it is not their fault | 06:14 |
| IronY | but maybe lets pay them monthly not to have kids | 06:14 |
| IronY | honestly, that is all it would take | 06:14 |
| ubLX | presumably it is the optimates who are responsible/culpable for the success or failure of education systems? | 06:15 |
| IronY | negative | 06:15 |
| IronY | the education is optimized for them | 06:15 |
| IronY | intelligent people actually have a harder time | 06:15 |
| IronY | My top 5% of students are board | 06:15 |
| IronY | my top 25% of students are not really being challenged | 06:15 |
| IronY | I am catering to the rest of them because thats how college as a service works | 06:16 |
| IronY | and these are people who got into college | 06:17 |
| berndj | i'm kinda coming around to the "democracy can't work" view, due to these kind of themes | 06:17 |
| IronY | democracy absolutely does not work | 06:17 |
| IronY | the system is inherently exploitable | 06:17 |
| berndj | but what should the replacement be? | 06:17 |
| IronY | the majority of the voters are easily manipulated | 06:17 |
| berndj | everything else is also shitty in some significant way | 06:17 |
| IronY | the people voting for your leader are the same people getting scammed by spear phising emails | 06:18 |
| berndj | should you have to earn your right to vote? | 06:18 |
| IronY | I am all for a meritocracy | 06:18 |
| ubLX | that people are easily manipulated must substantially be a failure of education | 06:19 |
| IronY | education is a fail of education | 06:19 |
| IronY | educations originally intention was to watch your kids so you can be at the factory | 06:19 |
| IronY | original* | 06:20 |
| IronY | look at the state we are in now with school closures | 06:20 |
| berndj | ubLX, humans aren't blank slates. everything isn't just a matter of installing the right educational patch | 06:21 |
| IronY | education does not teach intuition, you are born with that, critical thinking, you are born with that | 06:21 |
| ubLX | critical thinking is innate and unteachable? | 06:22 |
| IronY | At a degree, yes | 06:22 |
| jacklsw | any other active chatting channels besides those related to coronavirus? | 06:22 |
| IronY | jacklsw: /list | 06:22 |
| ubLX | IronY: your theme on 5%/25%/etc recalled for me an aphorism, i can't remember whose or the exact wording but it was something like "teaching is never so effective as when it is hardly needed" | 06:22 |
| IronY | ubLX: 80 years ago, people said the following "Everyone in the world would be smarter if they had more access to information" | 06:23 |
| IronY | here we are | 06:23 |
| IronY | the age we have more access to information then ever before | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +222 cases (now 597756), +8 deaths (now 27372), +13 recoveries (now 133373) 🔹 Alaska, US: +16 cases (now 85) 🔹 Argentina: +101 cases (now 690), +4 deaths (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +195 cases (now 3573), +1 deaths (now 14) 🔹 Barbados: +2 cases (now 26) 🔹 Bolivia: +13 cases (now 74) 🔹 Brazil: +60 cases (now 3477), +1 deaths (now 93) [... want %more?] | 06:23 |
| jacklsw | so many geeky channels in freenode haha | 06:23 |
| x3n4 | and people are still fighting over toiletpaper... | 06:23 |
| IronY | we make memes and split ourselves into racial groups, when that does not work, classes, when that gets bored we invent social orientations | 06:23 |
| IronY | sexual orientations* | 06:24 |
| jacklsw | i suppose coronavirus brings us together in this chat | 06:24 |
| IronY | jacklsw: Freenode is normally a Open Source support network | 06:24 |
| x3n4 | of which we have more then enough of for the upcomming 10 years or so | 06:24 |
| IronY | x3n4: I live in a canada with a large abundance of forestry, a limitless amount of trees, and the facilities to refine it to toilet paper, people bought toilet paper before buying food | 06:25 |
| jacklsw | and thank god irc is free from the retarded memes | 06:25 |
| x3n4 | why... i just don't understand... why toiletpaper? | 06:26 |
| jacklsw | finally im getting back the real chatting experience here :D | 06:26 |
| IronY | x3n4: I am sure we will be reading case studies on this for years | 06:26 |
| IronY | The best part of all of this | 06:26 |
| jacklsw | x3n4: what i heard is certain countries only import toilet papers | 06:26 |
| jacklsw | so when this comes, there will be shortage so they panic buy | 06:27 |
| IronY | The generation of the viral meme, the people who use viral as apart of their everyday vocab, did not understand not to spread a virus that kills people | 06:27 |
| jacklsw | then turns out everybody also panic buy for no apparent reason | 06:27 |
| IronY | Top Toilet Paper Exporting Countries in the World | 06:27 |
| IronY | Germany ($395M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | China ($323M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | Italy ($213M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | Sweden ($205M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | France($198M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | Canada ($190M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | USA ($188M) | 06:27 |
| IronY | Poland ($173M) | 06:28 |
| x3n4 | That is insane.. I mean... | 06:28 |
| x3n4 | worst case: you have to go shower after taking a crap | 06:28 |
| IronY | direct link between hot spots and toilet paper exportation confirmed | 06:28 |
| jacklsw | and then the indians troll the world saying why would you need toilet papers? | 06:29 |
| jacklsw | they wipe their asses with their hands and water lol | 06:29 |
| x3n4 | I think the lack of human contact (for those living alone) is a bigger issue than a possible lack of toilet paper.. | 06:29 |
| IronY | they poop in holes in the street :/ | 06:29 |
| x3n4 | If you don't have toiletpaper, go shower | 06:30 |
| x3n4 | simple as that | 06:30 |
| x3n4 | As long as we have water, we good | 06:30 |
| IronY | x3n4: some places do not use common pipes | 06:31 |
| IronY | so look into that before u flush ur shit down the shower drain | 06:31 |
| IronY | some places have grey water vs waste water run offs | 06:31 |
| IronY | not sure how that works but I assume the waste water gets more treatment? | 06:32 |
| yuriwho | does the pope shit in the woods if lacking toilet paper? | 06:32 |
| IronY | I assume the pope is in an underground bunker | 06:32 |
| yuriwho | coffin? | 06:32 |
| IronY | %data vatican | 06:33 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Vatican City, there are 4 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 28, 05:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vatican%20City for time series data. | 06:33 |
| IronY | 4 cases since march 6th eh | 06:33 |
| x3n4 | I'll just shit in the toilet and wash off under the shower (in case if have no TP) | 06:33 |
| berndj | x3n4, it's a coordination problem. people panic-bought TP because other people were panic-buying TP | 06:33 |
| IronY | Its the tide pod challenge effect | 06:33 |
| IronY | see people do dumb shit | 06:33 |
| x3n4 | Exactly berndj | 06:33 |
| IronY | do dumb shit | 06:33 |
| yuriwho | yea, the TP craze started in Hong Kong | 06:34 |
| x3n4 | So people doing dumb shit forces other people to also do dumb shit | 06:34 |
| IronY | then it doubled because once people started seeing people do dumb shit and realizing they were actually going to run the toilet paper | 06:34 |
| IronY | it forced them to go get toilet paper | 06:34 |
| x3n4 | otherwhise they have nog TP | 06:34 |
| IronY | x3n4: jinx | 06:34 |
| x3n4 | hahahaha | 06:34 |
| yuriwho | it bacme a self-fulfilling scarcity | 06:34 |
| yuriwho | became | 06:34 |
| x3n4 | self-fulfilling bullSHIT | 06:34 |
| IronY | meanwhile 1000000s of boxes of kleenex sat idle | 06:35 |
| IronY | lol | 06:35 |
| berndj | x3n4, it could have been any other commodity. but the winds of circumstance settled on it being toilet paper | 06:35 |
| berndj | i think this is somewhat related to what human societies choose as a currency | 06:35 |
| IronY | Oh I assure you just as many people stocked up on coke / crack / meth / heroine / pills | 06:35 |
| x3n4 | If it've been beans or sausages.. I could somewhat understand.. | 06:35 |
| IronY | I am surprised I am not reading more headlines about people killing their dealers | 06:36 |
| yuriwho | I keep spare rolls in my truck, my golf bag, backpack etc. just in case | 06:36 |
| IronY | I have a poop at home problem | 06:36 |
| x3n4 | Well, in the Netherlands, the prime minister announced coffeeshops had to close for +2 weeks, starting from 18.00. He announced that at 17.30 | 06:36 |
| x3n4 | There were lines of people at coffeeshops.. it was insane | 06:37 |
| IronY | when people thought our liquor stores were closing it had the same effect | 06:37 |
| berndj | IronY, here people stocked up on booze, but all that booze will probably be drunk up tonight (saturday) if it wasn't already drunk up last night | 06:37 |
| x3n4 | Not even 1/4 of the people standing in line were helped | 06:37 |
| IronY | our health minister had to release a statement saying "We realize a lot of you are alcohol dependant and will die so we were not planning on doing that" | 06:37 |
| ryouma | i go with the contingent initial condition positive feedback theory, but i will keep in reserve for partial application the theory that humans like to be clean | 06:37 |
| yuriwho | there's a video of some guy in Russia taking a cab, he pays for the ride with a respirator, the cabbie gives him rolls of TP as change, he tips the cabbie with about 3 wipes worth of TP | 06:38 |
| IronY | berndj: Any restaurant with a licence to serve alcohol can now deliver it | 06:38 |
| IronY | which is insane | 06:38 |
| IronY | I wonder if we will end up keeping that lol | 06:39 |
| berndj | ryouma, yes, demand for toilet paper is pretty inelastic over anything but the shortest term | 06:39 |
| IronY | Last I checked Alcohol is immuno-supressing | 06:39 |
| x3n4 | That is insane... I mean, if there is ever a time to get sober/clean.. it is now! Otherwise, when you get corona, you most probably die | 06:39 |
| IronY | also a very bad ass blood thinner | 06:39 |
| IronY | might not be a good time to pick up that addiction | 06:40 |
| IronY | x3n4: if ur a legit alcoholic ur not supposed to quit | 06:40 |
| berndj | i wonder how it works with smoking | 06:40 |
| IronY | thats normally a inpatient thing | 06:40 |
| x3n4 | Survival of the fittest hasn't been so literal in... ages | 06:40 |
| IronY | if everyone who was an alcoholic stopped drinking cold turkey today, it would overwhelm our health case system far faster then covid | 06:40 |
| berndj | we in south africa will let you know how that works out | 06:41 |
| ryouma | idiocracy was really dumb movie in my opinion, but it did make the point that the world is dumb. i would not recommend it, but i do recommend the attitude that the world is not alwys as smart as it seems. | 06:41 |
| IronY | Meanwhile I have had the same unopened 40oz of vodka we won at a wedding under my shelf and I look at it as last resort antiseptic | 06:41 |
| berndj | i have a feeling the booze ban is something the government will dig in its heels over | 06:41 |
| x3n4 | Well... maybe cold turkey is not the best idea, but i do think that some initiatives should be started to help alcoholics in this time.. | 06:42 |
| adventurer | someone should be walking around with a bottle of bleach and some cloth and gloves and tirelessly wiping down door handles and publicly touched rails and such | 06:42 |
| adventurer | maybe | 06:42 |
| IronY | x3n4: The most anxious time in most of our histories + quitting an addiction does not add up well | 06:42 |
| adventurer | unless it's just going to be breathed in anyway | 06:42 |
| ryouma | 40% alcohol as an antiseptic? have you looked into the degree it works? | 06:42 |
| IronY | ryouma: last case, world ending | 06:42 |
| ryouma | i'd like to know if it works | 06:43 |
| yuriwho | here's a peculiarly soothing and entertaining vid that has nothing to do with COVID: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owWX5ZJapMw | 06:43 |
| berndj | everyone says "at least 62%" or something thereabouts | 06:43 |
| IronY | "Vodka is a natural disinfectant and antiseptic. It can be used to treat toothaches, clean wounds, and clean your house. In fact, you'll be surprised by how many of your household cleaning and hygiene products include alcohol in their ingredients" | 06:43 |
| x3n4 | IronY: I understand your point... but if there's ever a time.. | 06:43 |
| berndj | a virus isn't a bacterium though | 06:43 |
| IronY | berndj: Sorry I was to vague | 06:44 |
| berndj | the way ethanol kills bacteria is not the same way it kills a virus | 06:44 |
| IronY | if the advent of an apocalypse | 06:44 |
| IronY | if I cut myself | 06:44 |
| IronY | and have absolutely nothing else but the vodka | 06:44 |
| IronY | to clean the cut with | 06:45 |
| IronY | I will use the vodka :P | 06:45 |
| berndj | so lower concentrations of ethanol can kill (or at least stop) bacteria | 06:45 |
| berndj | sure, it's better than nothing i guess. but watch out for creating a false sense of security | 06:45 |
| IronY | "Method of last resort" != "Sense of security" | 06:45 |
| berndj | and if you cut yourself, the primary threat is from bacteria | 06:45 |
| x3n4 | And ingesting alcohol to prevent/cure corona, doesn't really seem like the best idea... Because it will give you significantly higher risks of cancer in mouth and throat | 06:46 |
| IronY | Lets say me and you are in the forest, were about 100km apart, i cut myself, you cut yourself, we both do not have CDC approved antispetic, I have vodka, you do not have vodka | 06:46 |
| IronY | when that happens | 06:46 |
| IronY | I will be better off than you | 06:46 |
| x3n4 | IronY: in the short term at least | 06:47 |
| IronY | x3n4: I will also be drunk when I eventually die of exposure | 06:47 |
| berndj | i'll be better off because i won't drink the rest of the bottle :p | 06:47 |
| yuriwho | 70% EtOH or IPA is best for disrupting membranes and thus is bactericidaland and virucidal | 06:47 |
| IronY | can you render down vodka without blowing urself up | 06:47 |
| x3n4 | If I die, I'd rather do it drunk, high or both... absolutely | 06:48 |
| IronY | https://www.moonshinestill.com/products/5-gallon-still | 06:48 |
| IronY | if you guys dont see me in a few weeks | 06:48 |
| ubLX | boiling point of ethanol is 78.37°C | 06:48 |
| IronY | house blew up | 06:48 |
| IronY | wow that still will produce 93% | 06:49 |
| ryouma | is there a device to make h2o2? | 06:50 |
| IronY | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbfxh3jIZZU | 06:50 |
| IronY | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbfxh3jIZZU | 06:50 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: From www.youtube.com: H2O2 from air, water and electricity - YouTube | 06:50 |
| x3n4 | 93%.. should guarantee an awesome trip | 06:50 |
| IronY | x3n4: world might end, but you won't know about it | 06:51 |
| x3n4 | Best way to go | 06:51 |
| ryouma | your esophagus will know about it | 06:51 |
| x3n4 | Without warning | 06:51 |
| x3n4 | Just suddenly... done | 06:51 |
| IronY | alright whos gonna watch this video and start doing some electrolysis with me | 06:52 |
| x3n4 | ryouma: I don't think so.. as long as you're drunk enough | 06:52 |
| IronY | If u wanna kill yourself with substances alcohol is probably not the go to | 06:52 |
| IronY | Go with opiates | 06:52 |
| x3n4 | Or both | 06:53 |
| IronY | thats so effective people do it by accident ^ | 06:53 |
| x3n4 | That's not.. handy | 06:54 |
| IronY | https://www.amazon.ca/Thames-Kosmos-Kids-First-Chemistry/dp/B00B9BFU5Y/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=chemistry+kit&qid=1585374884&sr=8-6 | 06:55 |
| IronY | totally getting myself one of these LOL | 06:55 |
| x3n4 | Awesome! | 06:55 |
| x3n4 | I might get one to | 06:55 |
| IronY | Just sit at ur window after a couple days of not showering or getting dressed playing with the flasks and making eye contact with anyone who passes by | 06:56 |
| x3n4 | or just suddenly blowing shit up.. | 06:56 |
| IronY | I orderd some dry goods super stoned last night off amazon, most of them will be in in 2 days | 06:56 |
| IronY | except for 2 bags of chips | 06:57 |
| IronY | Ill get those in a month and a half | 06:57 |
| IronY | we call that hope | 06:57 |
| x3n4 | Well, anticipation is also worth something I guess | 06:57 |
| x3n4 | IronY: Are you in complete lockdown? | 06:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Interstate coronavirus cases from Ruby Princess jump as more than 100 outside NSW test positive — from r/WorldNews at 05:38: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/fGEABK | 06:59 |
| berndj | i wonder if there are some modern-day Johnnie Notions out there making their DIY vaccines | 07:06 |
| IronY | x3n4: Not yet | 07:08 |
| IronY | 15 days inside now though, left twice, both times for things that I could ask for through a plexi glass window without going into a store | 07:09 |
| IronY | gf has done 2 walmart cubside pickups | 07:09 |
| x3n4 | And how are you handling your current situation? | 07:09 |
| x3n4 | Is it a big change from your normal routine? | 07:09 |
| IronY | x3n4: Fine, I worked from home for a year | 07:10 |
| IronY | live in a city where I Do not know very many people | 07:10 |
| IronY | this is not out of the usual for me tbh | 07:10 |
| x3n4 | Well, then you are one of the lucky ones I guess | 07:11 |
| IronY | 50% of my disposable income went to buying things to keep me busy at home over the last 2 years | 07:12 |
| IronY | almost like I had planned for this | 07:12 |
| x3n4 | hahaha | 07:12 |
| IronY | Literally bought a new computer a week before shit hit the fan in the collective canadian conscience | 07:12 |
| x3n4 | Well.. good for you! | 07:12 |
| IronY | not sure if I would call it lucky | 07:13 |
| IronY | the crippiling social isolation your feeling | 07:13 |
| IronY | I just had a few years practice | 07:13 |
| x3n4 | Well, it's normal for you now.. For me it's... really a big adjustment tbh | 07:14 |
| x3n4 | Suddenly | 07:14 |
| IronY | Yeah I can see how coming to terms without outside of also comint to terms with ur fear of mortality being a positive | 07:14 |
| IronY | fair enough | 07:14 |
| IronY | I also chose not to have kids | 07:14 |
| IronY | so there is that | 07:14 |
| x3n4 | here here | 07:16 |
| x3n4 | I don't want kids either | 07:16 |
| x3n4 | glad I don't have those around atm | 07:16 |
| x3n4 | xD | 07:16 |
| IronY | Nothing against those of you with children, I just cannot relate what ur going through | 07:16 |
| IronY | I would imagine that amplifies this by 100x | 07:16 |
| x3n4 | I think it's conflicting for people with kids.. One side: you are not alone, won't get bored easily.. on the other side.. concentrating on work is probably hell... | 07:18 |
| berndj | IronY: but did you buy TP! | 07:18 |
| x3n4 | So I think both situations, with or without kids, have obvious pro's and cons | 07:19 |
| IronY | berndj: I bought the same amount I would of normally | 07:19 |
| IronY | we are two people with a costco card | 07:19 |
| x3n4 | what is costco? | 07:23 |
| IronY | Sam Club? | 07:23 |
| x3n4 | No idea | 07:24 |
| IronY | Membership store where you buy things in bulk for cheaper | 07:24 |
| x3n4 | Oooo | 07:24 |
| x3n4 | Okay, I understand now | 07:24 |
| x3n4 | Thanks | 07:24 |
| IronY | np!\ | 07:24 |
| x3n4 | Grocery stores will stay accessible.. so I don't see the problem tbh.. At least, in Western countries | 07:26 |
| x3n4 | Worst case: you have to eat canned beans instead of fresh beans... | 07:27 |
| IronY | leaving the house | 07:27 |
| IronY | leaving the house is the problem | 07:27 |
| x3n4 | Why? | 07:27 |
| IronY | I have a 0% chance of getting sick if I do not leave the house | 07:27 |
| x3n4 | But do you have health issues? Increased risk? | 07:27 |
| IronY | Smoker, 35, nothing crazy, slightly worse then a non smoker but slightly better then a former smoker? | 07:28 |
| IronY | Really don't like hospitals | 07:28 |
| IronY | trying not to visit | 07:28 |
| x3n4 | Well, just keep your 1,5 meters distance from other people | 07:28 |
| IronY | lol | 07:29 |
| IronY | thats not how that works | 07:29 |
| x3n4 | you'll be fine at the grocery store | 07:29 |
| IronY | Risk mitigation | 07:29 |
| IronY | If I do not need to physically go into a store | 07:29 |
| IronY | I am significantly less at risk | 07:29 |
| x3n4 | yeah, if you don't need to, you shouldn't go | 07:29 |
| IronY | Take a look at a lot of our political leaders right now | 07:29 |
| IronY | you will notice one thing in common | 07:29 |
| IronY | all press meetings are mostly being done open air | 07:29 |
| x3n4 | but for me, personally, it is the only 5/10 minutes I get out of my apartment | 07:30 |
| x3n4 | And I kind of need that | 07:30 |
| IronY | Oh i get it | 07:30 |
| IronY | I have a patio | 07:30 |
| IronY | I do not need to go into a store to go outside though, I am just waiting a little bit before doing that | 07:31 |
| IronY | people need a couple weeks for this to sink in | 07:31 |
| IronY | So I do nt have to freak out on someone for getting in my space and spend the next 14 days concerned | 07:31 |
| x3n4 | yeah, I saw that here as well.. But after the speech of our prime minister, I think people really are starting to realisize the seriousness | 07:32 |
| x3n4 | so if I walk down the street now, and someone is comming my way, they start creating distance like 50 meters before they are even near me | 07:33 |
| x3n4 | That's good. Awareness is starting to sink in now | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:28 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of big developments in the global coronavirus outbreak — from r/WorldNews at 06:28: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/ZEm1Be | 07:46 |
| IronY | x3n4: Are you in the apartment alone? | 07:57 |
| x3n4 | yes | 07:58 |
| x3n4 | So, that kind of sucks | 07:58 |
| IronY | Yeah thats the difference :/ Sorry Man, you got us! | 07:58 |
| x3n4 | My routine.. is non-existent at the moment | 07:58 |
| x3n4 | Thanks man | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:49 UTC: Coronavirus Australia latest: at a glance: A summary of the major developments in the Covid-19 outbreak across the country — from r/WorldNews at 06:49: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/vielDz | 07:58 |
| x3n4 | Really appreciate it! | 07:58 |
| IronY | x3n4: pick something to learn | 07:59 |
| IronY | force yourself to start learning it | 07:59 |
| x3n4 | Oh I am! That's not the issue | 08:00 |
| x3n4 | The problem is not being able to maintain a normal daily routine | 08:01 |
| IronY | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU4qOebhkfs | 08:01 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: From www.youtube.com: Here's How YOU Can Help Find a Cure for COVID-19! - YouTube | 08:01 |
| IronY | Linux Tech Tips video | 08:01 |
| IronY | Linus* | 08:01 |
| balaa[m] | <x3n4 "The problem is not being able to"> learn all day | 08:09 |
| balaa[m] | how's everybody doing today? | 08:09 |
| balaa[m] | glad the internet is still up | 08:10 |
| IronY | The internet is broken | 08:11 |
| IronY | this is a rerun | 08:11 |
| IronY | Anyone have like IRC logs from the late 90s | 08:11 |
| IronY | we could build a bot to play them back in real time using different clients | 08:12 |
| IronY | that be entertaining to watch lol | 08:12 |
| balaa[m] | great idea | 08:12 |
| IronY | Thats 3AM for yeah | 08:12 |
| balaa[m] | just started running my own synapse servers so I'll have logs for this stuff; should be interesting in 30 years | 08:13 |
| IronY | znc on my end | 08:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:56 UTC: What happens to people's lungs when they get coronavirus?: Respiratory physician John Wilson explains the range of Covid-19 impacts, from no symptoms to severe illness featuring pneumonia — from r/WorldNews at 06:56: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/9a7AOF | 08:17 |
| IronY | yeah I am not gonna click that | 08:17 |
| IronY | thanks though Brainstorm maybe tomorrow | 08:17 |
| balaa[m] | I don't usually care for Trump but I am loving his optimism these days... | 08:18 |
| balaa[m] | hope in a hopless world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9JXEsIH7xE | 08:21 |
| IronY | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9JXEsIH7xE | 08:22 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: From www.youtube.com: Hope In a Hopeless World - YouTube | 08:22 |
| IronY | oh wow lol | 08:22 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +574 cases (now 516987), +1 deaths (now 24081), +18 recoveries (now 58420) 🔸 Israel: +425 cases (now 3460), +10 recoveries (now 89) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) 🔹 Georgia: +2 cases (now 85) 🔹 Hungary: +43 cases (now 343), +1 deaths (now 11) 🔹 India: +4 cases (now 906) 🔹 Norway: +1 cases (now 3772) [... want %more?] | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: 'Chaos and panic': Lancet editor says NHS was left unprepared for Covid-19 — from r/WorldNews at 07:45: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/ud3bFv | 09:00 |
| adventurer | <freeBSdetectors> so frankly, comparing it to a broken clock, is an insult to broken clocks. | 09:00 |
| adventurer | <MrWednesday> https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=CqjuN_1585235620 | 09:00 |
| adventurer | oops | 09:00 |
| adventurer | sorry | 09:00 |
| adventurer | accident | 09:00 |
| WoofWolfCrin | %data ph | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | WoofWolfCrin: In all areas, Philippines, there are 803 cases, 54 deaths (6.7% of cases), 31 recoveries as of March 28, 07:39Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines for time series data. | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via: — from r/WorldNews at 08:04: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/12fR3z | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +204 cases (now 517191), +1 deaths (now 24082) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) 🔹 Bulgaria: +20 cases (now 313), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Finland: +122 cases (now 1163) 🔹 Georgia: +2 cases (now 85) 🔹 Hungary: +43 cases (now 343), +1 deaths (now 11) 🔹 India: +4 cases (now 906) | 09:08 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2551 cases (now 519742), +45 deaths (now 24127), +35 recoveries (now 58455) 🔸 Germany: +2469 cases (now 53340), +44 deaths (now 395) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) [... want %more?] | 09:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Brasile — from r/WorldNews at 08:31: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/3zyGMT | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:40 UTC: Coronavirus Australia latest: at a glance: A summary of the major developments in the Covid-19 outbreak across the country — from r/WorldNews at 08:40: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/vielDz | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +223 cases (now 519965), +15 deaths (now 24142), +13 recoveries (now 58468) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) 🔹 Bulgaria: +20 cases (now 313), +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +509 cases (now 520474), +9 deaths (now 24151), +15 recoveries (now 58483) 🔸 Switzerland: +210 cases (now 13138), +6 deaths (now 237) 🔸 Russia: +228 cases (now 1264), +4 recoveries (now 49) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) [... want %more?] | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: I Tweet di politici delle ultime 24 ore — from r/WorldNews at 09:11: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4v0ubE | 10:14 |
| yuriwho | we should find and plot the daily data for all countries using that log/log plot shown in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XLXg4fYsc to reveal the impacts of lockdowns | 10:19 |
| yuriwho | %t | 10:19 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From www.youtube.com: How To Tell If We're Beating COVID-19 - YouTube | 10:19 |
| IronY | After reading some of the mild symptoms of covid | 10:25 |
| IronY | I prolly had it the other day | 10:25 |
| IronY | lol | 10:25 |
| IronY | Oh I hope that was the case | 10:26 |
| adventurer | we are all hoping we have already had it and didn't realise I suppose | 10:28 |
| adventurer | that would be good if it were the case | 10:28 |
| IronY | I had a random 16 hours of clear expectorant, and fatigue | 10:29 |
| IronY | that suddenly vanished | 10:29 |
| rajrajraj | hi | 10:29 |
| IronY | came included with sweats | 10:29 |
| adventurer | What clear expectorant? | 10:29 |
| IronY | adventurer: Caughed up a shot ton of clear mucus | 10:29 |
| adventurer | oh | 10:30 |
| adventurer | you staying home I hope | 10:30 |
| adventurer | and you feel better now/ | 10:30 |
| IronY | year this actually happened on day 13 | 10:30 |
| adventurer | oh | 10:30 |
| IronY | I am on day 16, feel great | 10:30 |
| IronY | I mean I understand the odds are low | 10:30 |
| IronY | but from what i read | 10:30 |
| IronY | that was textboox very mild case | 10:30 |
| adventurer | i would pay for vaccine or a blood test to see if i had antibodies a lot of money | 10:31 |
| adventurer | then i can go back to work | 10:31 |
| adventurer | without worry | 10:31 |
| adventurer | i may have to work with worry | 10:31 |
| IronY | I work from home with equal worry | 10:31 |
| adventurer | i did UberEats yesterday but that might be my last day/night for a while | 10:31 |
| x3n4 | Had the same thing... 2 days of fever, never felt so sick in my life. After those 2 days though, fit as can be | 10:31 |
| adventurer | just hunker down a while now i think | 10:31 |
| IronY | x3n4: how long ago | 10:31 |
| IronY | adventurer: I really want someone to tell me microwaving food kills it | 10:32 |
| x3n4 | 3/3,5 weeks ago | 10:32 |
| IronY | so I can feel confident in ordering food | 10:32 |
| IronY | yuriwho: | 10:32 |
| IronY | tell me I can microwave take out | 10:32 |
| adventurer | yeah I am thinking there is a danger in food what if the person preparing it does not do proper hygeine procedures or does but just breaths on it | 10:32 |
| IronY | I cannot not see how microwave would not kill it | 10:33 |
| yuriwho | heat kills | 10:33 |
| adventurer | I don't know I am no expert | 10:33 |
| IronY | So thus nukeing something for 2 mins | 10:33 |
| IronY | will fairly surely kill | 10:33 |
| x3n4 | Well, the chance is quite high that you will get the virus at some point... | 10:33 |
| IronY | x3n4: Oh no doubt there | 10:33 |
| yuriwho | I will not certify how much or if complete | 10:33 |
| IronY | I just want everyone else to build a data set before my turn comes ;) | 10:34 |
| x3n4 | Better not to get sick all at the same time though | 10:34 |
| IronY | I beta test software, not healthcare | 10:34 |
| IronY | "Don't use the microwave, and other tips for faster internet while ..." | 10:34 |
| IronY | Oh yeah lots of data on this search I tell you | 10:35 |
| IronY | supposedly not according to this local news cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xq4OMpH6tc | 10:35 |
| IronY | lol | 10:35 |
| IronY | 'there is no scientific evidence microwaving things kill things" | 10:36 |
| IronY | So there is also none against then | 10:36 |
| IronY | thanks news lady | 10:36 |
| IronY | "There is currently little scientific information about the survival of the COVID-19 (coronavirus) on the surface of open food. Work with similar viruses shows that some food surfaces don’t allow the virus to survive at all, but some do." | 10:38 |
| IronY | Its been 3 fucking months | 10:38 |
| IronY | I feel that would be one of the first things as a researcher I would be looking into outside of how to cure/treat/inoculate it, | 10:39 |
| IronY | and I am sure those are different disciplines of research | 10:39 |
| IronY | well folks | 10:45 |
| IronY | I cannot confirm not deny the microwave | 10:45 |
| IronY | I can say that Just transplanting the food into an oven at 200c for a few mins should do the truck | 10:45 |
| IronY | 170~ for a flu, So I am adding an extra 30 for good measure | 10:45 |
| IronY | if this was bacteria, a microwave at 2mins would be effective | 10:47 |
| x3n4 | Just heat that food up! | 10:47 |
| IronY | %data usa | 10:47 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, US, there are 104256 cases, 1704 deaths (1.6% of cases), 2525 recoveries as of March 28, 09:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 10:47 |
| IronY | "Food-borne illnesses afflict at least 6 million Americans annually, causing at least 9,000 deaths and $4 billion to $6 billion in medical costs and other expenses. " | 10:47 |
| IronY | Until the states reaches 9k, ur still more likely to die from another virus on food | 10:48 |
| x3n4 | Just put your food in the oven or microwave | 10:49 |
| x3n4 | Heat it up real good | 10:49 |
| x3n4 | Almost no virus or bacteria survives that amount of heat | 10:50 |
| IronY | Bacteria may multiply | 10:50 |
| IronY | depending on the bacteria of course | 10:50 |
| IronY | given additional heal | 10:50 |
| IronY | (according to a test done on a sponge, but the viruses were wiped out how ever) | 10:50 |
| IronY | also yeah even in the microwave, it is the heat produced, not the vibrations / microwave radation | 10:51 |
| x3n4 | But bacteria are not the problem right now. | 10:51 |
| IronY | oh I know | 10:51 |
| x3n4 | Covid is a virus | 10:51 |
| IronY | that just be a kick in the gut though | 10:51 |
| x3n4 | So just put it in the microwave | 10:51 |
| IronY | Protect urself from covid, end up killing yourself with a random bacteria lol | 10:51 |
| x3n4 | xD | 10:52 |
| IronY | 'Did IronY get the covid?' --- 'Na, It was consumption' | 10:52 |
| x3n4 | Hahahaahaha | 10:52 |
| x3n4 | Seems just right xD | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +627 cases (now 521101), +26 deaths (now 24177), +73 recoveries (now 58556) 🔸 Philippines: +272 cases (now 1075), +14 deaths (now 68), +4 recoveries (now 35) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) [... want %more?] | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:51 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Testing rolled out for frontline NHS workers — from r/WorldNews at 09:51: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +3116 cases (now 524217), +140 deaths (now 24317), +547 recoveries (now 59103) 🔸 Iran: +3076 cases (now 35408), +139 deaths (now 2517), +546 recoveries (now 11679) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) [... want %more?] | 11:08 |
| merethan | A tiny antidote to all the fear-inducing death rates: https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/23/italy-only-12-of-covid19-deaths-list-covid19-as-cause/ | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports more than 6,000 new cases, Iran death toll passes 2,500 — from r/WorldNews at 10:14: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 11:22 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers I've just been told the work cases have just dropped 100k again right before reaching 600k, any idea what's up with that? | 11:22 |
| pwr22 | Worldometer is showing more than 100k more | 11:24 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: what do you mean? | 11:26 |
| pwr22 | !cases world | 11:27 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: for some reason China is not showing a value, so the world total is not including it | 11:27 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 524,269 cases as of 2020-03-28 10:18:00 UTC. Of these 440,846 (84.1%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 59,103 (11.3%) have definitely recovered and 24,320 (4.6%) have died. | 11:27 |
| pwr22 | %data world | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | pwr22: In all areas, World, there are 524269 cases, 24320 deaths (4.6% of cases), 59103 recoveries as of March 28, 10:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 11:28 |
| pwr22 | That looks 100k too low | 11:28 |
| mefistofeles | ah I see what you mean, yeah... that's weird because not even offloop.net is reporting that number | 11:28 |
| pwr22 | Ah, I thought world was itself a precalculated thing in the data set | 11:29 |
| pwr22 | From JHU I mean | 11:29 |
| tinwhiskers | no | 11:30 |
| mefistofeles | now the Queen has tested positive? hah | 11:36 |
| mefistofeles | in the UK | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1977 cases (now 526194), +70 deaths (now 24387), +214 recoveries (now 59317) 🔸 Belgium: +1850 cases (now 9134), +64 deaths (now 353), +205 recoveries (now 1063) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) [... want %more?] | 11:38 |
| ecks | sauce? | 11:39 |
| mefistofeles | oh, apparently not confirmed yet, sorry | 11:39 |
| mefistofeles | ecks: my source wasn'tin english | 11:39 |
| contingo | where was it rumored? | 11:41 |
| mefistofeles | contingo: they already removed the link, sorry for the noise | 11:42 |
| mefistofeles | some chilean news site | 11:42 |
| contingo | it's fine, was just curious | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Testing rolled out for frontline NHS workers — from r/WorldNews at 10:45: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 11:46 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers any alternate source we can pull China from? | 11:48 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm just investigating | 11:48 |
| Biep[m] | <mefistofeles "all I see is people breaking the"> Corona beer? | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +87983 cases (now 614177), +3847 deaths (now 28234), +77906 recoveries (now 137223) 🔸 Spain: +6529 cases (now 72248), +552 deaths (now 5690), +2928 recoveries (now 12285) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) [... want %more?] | 11:53 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: ok, found the problem. | 11:54 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean, fixed it | 11:54 |
| tinwhiskers | I've also now got the US states loading the full time series and if it weren't for the China problem would have had those working now, but I'm off to bed. See y'all tomorrow. | 11:57 |
| x3n4 | Sweet dreams | 11:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:00 UTC: Recovering addicts more at risk of relapse amid coronavirus, experts warn: Health professionals are seeing more relapses as the US takes drastic measures to limit the spread of coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 11:00: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4d9oAH | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 11:07 UTC: MINISTERO DELLO SVILUPPO ECONOMICO - DECRETO 20 marzo 2020: Scioglimento d'autorita', senza nomina del commissario liquidatore,di ottantanove societa' cooperative aventi sede nelle Regioni Lazio,Lombardia e Toscana (20A01810) — from r/WorldNews at 11:07: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/vSFBbl | 12:11 |
| python476 | o/ | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +224 cases (now 614401), +9 deaths (now 28243), +48 recoveries (now 137271) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) 🔹 Brunei: +5 cases (now 120), +14 recoveries (now 25) [... want %more?] | 12:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 11:15 UTC: Gaming & Culture: A Twitch streamer is exposing coronavirus scams live — from r/WorldNews at 11:15: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/PWOO7A | 12:24 |
| python476 | https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/ | 12:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain cases surge past 72,000, Iran death toll passes 2,500 — from r/WorldNews at 11:31: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 12:36 |
| mefistofeles | Biep[m]: not even Corona beer, that's not such a good one, specially in Germany xD | 12:45 |
| mefistofeles | I don't really get why the media is so focused on absolute numbers as headlines... this doesn't make much sense to me | 12:46 |
| Zalyssa | people like to hear numbers | 12:46 |
| Zalyssa | people are enthralled by a rising tally of infection and death | 12:47 |
| Zalyssa | the media does as the media often does, and supplies that information because they know people will listen and watch | 12:47 |
| merethan | I think there's a lot to say about the validity/invalidity of bodycount numbers, and a lot of discussion among medical personnel on how to react and handle the situation. A lot more than we get to hear. | 12:48 |
| merethan | Fearporn generates way more clicks and sells way more newspapers. Nobody is going to keep push notifications enabled if the news is "it's less bad than we previously told you". And Brainstorm would be out of a job too. | 12:48 |
| python476 | little gps tracker spread analysis from a florida beach https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=cq2zuE3ISYU&feature=emb_title | 12:49 |
| merethan | For anyone who wants to go down that rabbithole, go see this: https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ | 12:49 |
| python476 | you don't have duckhole ? | 12:59 |
| mefistofeles | btw, Korea is open sourcing its tracking thing with bluetooth technology. They used that for spread control/tracking | 13:03 |
| mefistofeles | sorry, not Korea, Singapore :) I think | 13:03 |
| BamBaRay36 | And next week they can read all my text messages on my phone to make sure they now im safe ? | 13:04 |
| mefistofeles | https://bluetrace.io/ | 13:04 |
| mefistofeles | BamBaRay36: it is open source, so if they do that people will notice | 13:04 |
| mefistofeles | and that right there is the beauty of open source | 13:05 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: weird, I heard a car add for hyundai yesterday speaking about a BT tracking things | 13:06 |
| python476 | maybe they use the same shit | 13:06 |
| mefistofeles | python476: I mean, it still not available, but sure, it may be very similar | 13:10 |
| python476 | yeah nevermind, it was just a weird name collision | 13:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:01 UTC: How the United States fell dangerously behind in coronavirus testing: The U.S. is months behind in understanding the true scope of the coronavirus. Testing capacity is finally ramping up, but is it too late? — from r/WorldNews at 12:01: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/ASEveq | 13:19 |
| Biep[m] | <AimHere "And most anglophones have diffic"> With an international keyboard with dead keys it is trivial. 'e becomes é, `e becomes è, ^e becomes ê, and so on. | 13:21 |
| Biep[m] | And Alt-right also offers solace. | 13:21 |
| AimHere | Righto. Anglophones don't generally use those. I have a Linux/Compose key setup | 13:21 |
| AimHere | So I do! | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +341 cases (now 614742), +4 deaths (now 28247), +58 recoveries (now 137329) 🔹 Albania: +11 cases (now 197) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Austria: +15 cases (now 7712), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) [... want %more?] | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:16 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Testing rolled out for frontline NHS workers — from r/WorldNews at 12:16: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 13:26 |
| python476 | AimHere: what distro ? | 13:27 |
| python476 | I should setup compose too | 13:27 |
| python476 | my poor french fellas must hate me passively | 13:27 |
| AimHere | python476, Debian | 13:27 |
| AimHere | It makes you feel slightly more cosmopolitan and sophisticated when you start spluttering out characters like é and ç and ø and ü with ease | 13:29 |
| python476 | AimHere: honestly it was both altruistic and also to not loose my spelling (which is already plumetting faster than free ICU in 2020) | 13:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain cases surge past 72,000, Iran death toll passes 2,500 — from r/WorldNews at 12:25: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 13:32 |
| AimHere | s/loose/lose | 13:32 |
| AimHere | I wouldn't normally correct you but you seem worried about your spelling. Also plummeting | 13:32 |
| python476 | see. | 13:33 |
| python476 | self emphasizing failure | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, 30 medici dall’Albania in arrivo a Bergamo. Accordo Di Maio - Rama - Corriere.it — from r/WorldNews at 12:37: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/cNKtgJ | 13:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain cases surge past 72,000, Iran death toll passes 2,500 — from r/WorldNews at 12:42: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 13:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +319 cases (now 615061), +2 deaths (now 28249), +5 recoveries (now 137334) 🔸 Austria: +267 cases (now 7964), +10 deaths (now 68) 🔹 Albania: +11 cases (now 197), +2 deaths (now 10) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Bahrain: +7 cases (now 473), +27 recoveries (now 254) 🔹 Bangladesh: +4 recoveries (now 15) [... want %more?] | 13:54 |
| kinroy | https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-closing-of-21-million-cell-phone-accounts-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll_3281291.html is there any truth to this | 14:00 |
| IndoAnon | consider that | 14:01 |
| kinroy | The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement. not the most unbiased of sources | 14:02 |
| IndoAnon | there is possibility that those 21 million people terminate their service after acquiring new local sim | 14:02 |
| kinroy | Yes could be | 14:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases surge past 600,000, Spain infections exceed 72,000, Iran reports 2,500 deaths — from r/WorldNews at 12:57: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 14:03 |
| kinroy | https://rotterdamonderweg.nl/verkeerscameras Still a lot of persons outside look for example at coolsingel-koopgoot cam | 14:04 |
| kinroy | they dont keep 1.5meters(8 feet) distance | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:01 UTC: Coronavirus hits already struggling US farmers: 'We've stopped saying it can't get worse': Farm trade groups are lobbying the Trump administration to provide financial aid for farmers enduring price drops amid the coronavirus pandemic. — from r/WorldNews at 13:01: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/ZQMqmK | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: third member of cabinet self-isolates with symptoms — from r/WorldNews at 13:01: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2372 cases (now 617433), +132 deaths (now 28381), +2 recoveries (now 137336) 🔸 Portugal: +902 cases (now 5170), +24 deaths (now 100) 🔸 Netherlands: +1159 cases (now 9762), +93 deaths (now 639) 🔹 Albania: +11 cases (now 197), +2 deaths (now 10) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Denmark: +13 deaths (now 65) [... want %more?] | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases surge past 600,000, Spain infections exceed 72,000, Iran reports 2,500 deaths — from r/WorldNews at 13:21: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:41 UTC: (news): Global cases surge past 600,000, Spain infections exceed 72,000, Iran reports 2,500 deaths — from r/WorldNews at 13:41: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/lfqwZ1 | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +204 cases (now 617637), +1 deaths (now 28382) 🔹 Albania: +11 cases (now 197), +2 deaths (now 10) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) 🔹 Australia: +62 cases (now 3635) 🔹 Denmark: +13 deaths (now 65) 🔹 Iceland: +73 cases (now 963) 🔹 Norway: +159 cases (now 3970) 🔹 Poland: +45 cases (now 1481), +1 deaths (now 17) | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 13:52 UTC: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - March 28 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions — from r/WorldNews at 13:52: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/jKFZhI | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Customers find lenders' 'relief' misleading, Abe says Japan at critical stage — from r/WorldNews at 13:59: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cina — from r/WorldNews at 14:15: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/065nKj | 15:18 |
| doriancodler[m] | hi | 15:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +3209 cases (now 620846), +273 deaths (now 28655), +5 recoveries (now 137341) 🔸 United Kingdom: +2546 cases (now 17089), +260 deaths (now 1019) 🔸 US: +403 cases (now 104680), +11 deaths (now 1715), +5 recoveries (now 2530) 🔸 Indiana, US: +251 cases (now 1232), +7 deaths (now 31) 🔹 Alabama, US: +17 cases (now 644) 🔹 Alaska, US: +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Customers find lenders' 'relief' misleading, Japan at a critical stage — from r/WorldNews at 14:22: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 15:24 |
| mefistofeles | hey doriancodler[m] | 15:27 |
| doriancodler[m] | hows life? know anybody who died? | 15:28 |
| mefistofeles | doriancodler[m]: no, that's not as likely | 15:30 |
| mefistofeles | and everything is good, I guess.. given the circumstances | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +441 cases (now 621287), +3 deaths (now 28658), +22 recoveries (now 137363) 🔸 US: +339 cases (now 105019), +2 deaths (now 1717), +7 recoveries (now 2537) 🔸 Maryland, US: +218 cases (now 992) 🔹 Alabama, US: +17 cases (now 644) 🔹 Alaska, US: +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Albania: +11 cases (now 197), +2 deaths (now 10) 🔹 Armenia: +43 cases (now 372) [... want %more?] | 15:39 |
| LjL | 'day | 15:48 |
| LjL | sunny one, at that | 15:48 |
| LjL | i think i will violate lockdown | 15:48 |
| LjL | just a little bit | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: 1,019 patients have died after testing positive in the UK — from r/WorldNews at 14:44: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:00 UTC: US coronavirus live: Trump attacks 'lamestream media' as number of cases passes 100,000: President travels to Norfolk, Virginia to see off USNS Comfort Data shows 1,541 people have died in US Coronavirus live blog – follow global updates 2.55pm GMT — from r/WorldNews at 15:00: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/zw6GOV | 16:06 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: criminal!! | 16:09 |
| LjL | window from the building in front of mine | 16:12 |
| Scarecr0w | LjL: What does it mean? | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | [something] everything is fine | 16:16 |
| LjL | Scarecr0w, "everything will be alright", it became a sort of motto, known internationally to a point | 16:16 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 16:17 |
| LjL | well if you want the most literal translation, "everything will go well" | 16:17 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: yeah, it's well known, indeed | 16:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Some find lenders' 'relief' misleading, farmers and police hit by virus — from r/WorldNews at 15:12: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 16:18 |
| LjL | incidentally | 16:19 |
| LjL | or rather, accidentally | 16:19 |
| LjL | there was a car accident today in Milan | 16:19 |
| LjL | between two police cars | 16:19 |
| LjL | that made me chuckle | 16:19 |
| LjL | a PSA: if you don't like this channel much, or would simply rather be in multiple COVID-19 channels to get the most information available, you can also join ##coronavirus which has somewhat different people and somewhat different policies | 16:20 |
| yn | it's #coronavirus not ##coronavirus | 16:21 |
| LjL | yn, no | 16:21 |
| yn | oh | 16:21 |
| LjL | yn, it has been moved, and this is partly why i'm announcing this now | 16:21 |
| yn | there are two | 16:21 |
| yn | oh | 16:21 |
| LjL | yn, mind a PM? | 16:21 |
| yn | sure | 16:22 |
| yn | go for it | 16:22 |
| gildarts | I wonder if there would be an audience for an -experts channel where it was -m and only people with actual expertise in the subject were voiced. People like yuriwho. | 16:22 |
| gildarts | s/-m/+m/ | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | gildarts meant to say: I wonder if there would be an audience for an -experts channel where it was +m and only people with actual expertise in the subject were voiced. People like yuriwho. | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +502 cases (now 621941), +7 deaths (now 28674), +1 recoveries (now 137364) 🔸 Chile: +299 cases (now 1909) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Croatia: +22 cases (now 657), +1 deaths (now 5) 🔹 Finland: +1 deaths (now 9) 🔹 Maine, US: +43 cases (now 211) 🔹 Mississippi, US: +84 cases (now 663), +5 deaths (now 13) 🔹 North Dakota, US: +15 cases (now 83) [... want %more?] | 16:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Farmers and police hit by virus, NYC nurses plead for protective gear — from r/WorldNews at 15:19: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 16:25 |
| LjL | gildarts, personally i think it's best if people like him engage with us when and if they feel interest | 16:27 |
| LjL | if they want a private channel to discuss among themselves, they can easily make one | 16:27 |
| yn | gildarts: how would you verify credentials? | 16:29 |
| gildarts | Very true. Mostly an idle thought. | 16:29 |
| gildarts | yn: Yeah, good question. Hadn't thought it through that far yet. | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: 1,019 patients have died after testing positive in the UK — from r/WorldNews at 15:30: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +565 cases (now 622506), +130 deaths (now 28804) 🔸 US: +565 cases (now 105726), +8 deaths (now 1730) 🔸 Florida, US: +565 cases (now 3763), +8 deaths (now 54) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Spain: +122 deaths (now 5812) | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Farmers and police hit by virus, NYC nurses plead for protective gear — from r/WorldNews at 15:38: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 16:43 |
| jacklsw | %data malaysia | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 2320 cases, 27 deaths (1.2% of cases), 320 recoveries as of March 28, 15:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 7.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 16:43 |
| mefistofeles | gildarts: I'm an expert in veifying credentials, ask me! | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | verifying* | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | :) | 16:55 |
| mefistofeles | time for some music | 16:56 |
| tintin57 | %data canada | 16:58 |
| Brainstorm | tintin57: In all areas, Canada, there are 4757 cases, 55 deaths (1.2% of cases), 354 recoveries as of March 28, 15:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 16:58 |
| Jigsy | I wonder if birds can catch COVID-19. | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Shellshocked Spain reports record new deaths, NYC nurses plead for gear — from r/WorldNews at 15:58: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:02 UTC: US coronavirus live: Trump attacks 'lamestream media' as number of cases passes 100,000: President travels to Norfolk, Virginia to see off USNS Comfort Data shows 1,541 people have died in US Coronavirus live blog – follow global updates 4.02pm GMT — from r/WorldNews at 16:02: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/zw6GOV | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Shellshocked Spain reports record deaths, nurses plead for gear — from r/WorldNews at 16:08: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +391 cases (now 622897), +13 deaths (now 28817), +27 recoveries (now 137391) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Bulgaria: +1 deaths (now 6) 🔹 Burkina Faso: +27 cases (now 207), +2 deaths (now 11), +9 recoveries (now 21) 🔹 Chile: +1 deaths (now 6), +18 recoveries (now 61) [... want %more?] | 17:25 |
| LjL | another related PSA: if any of you are in #coronavirus, please notice that you have to move to ##coronavirus as the channel has been moved due to freenode policy. the former is currently not joinable, so i recommend leaving it and rejoining the current one instead | 17:26 |
| jacklsw | what freenode policy? | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spanish authorities hope cases peaking, as global numbers exceed 600,000 — from r/WorldNews at 16:19: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/VmuicT | 17:28 |
| LjL | jacklsw, https://freenode.net/policies "Channel ownership" section | 17:28 |
| farn | Also https://freenode.net/kb/answer/namespaces | 17:29 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: lol, I just noticed that I have the same msg from a window accross mine!! | 17:29 |
| jacklsw | ok so single # is reserved for open-source stuffs lol | 17:30 |
| LjL | jacklsw, yes, although in my experience this was typically not enforced unless you were really using a channel name that obviously belonged to a project | 17:31 |
| LjL | so i'm not sure what happened here, but i'm trying to help the ops over there move smoothly | 17:31 |
| mefistofeles | "The province of Hubei in China is no longer classified as an international risk area." | 17:33 |
| mefistofeles | that's interesting :) | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:27 UTC: /u/slakmehl: More valuable data visualization from NYT including, which begins to permit drill down on sub-regional outbreak hotspots with per capita information (which is sorely lacking from the best trackers). The data underlying these figures is only accurate up to March 26th, but if they eventually become [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/TMC9wx | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +748 cases (now 623645), +29 deaths (now 28846), +2 recoveries (now 137393) 🔸 US: +532 cases (now 106258), +21 deaths (now 1751) 🔸 Pennsylvania, US: +353 cases (now 2571), +12 deaths (now 34) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +17 cases (now 182), +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 17:35 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ah nice, that #coronavirus ##coronavirus thing, they finally listened... I complained about that since the very beginning | 17:35 |
| aradesh | i wonder what percentage of italian residents have been infected with covid-19 | 17:39 |
| aradesh | italy has 60 million pople, so 1% would be 600,000 cases. | 17:40 |
| aradesh | LjL: any idea what is likely based on your personal experiences? | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:38 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Charles Ornstein su Twitter: "NY now has 728 deaths, up from 519 yesterday.… " — from r/WorldNews at 16:38: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/irjOJc | 17:40 |
| LjL | aradesh, i don't know any infected, but me and my family, we're kind of not very social | 17:40 |
| aradesh | UK passed 1000 deaths todoay :\ | 17:40 |
| LjL | aradesh, but in my extended family everyone is fine so far luckily | 17:41 |
| aradesh | do you think 1% sounds plausible? | 17:41 |
| LjL | well that would be about 10x the official number? | 17:41 |
| aradesh | yeah | 17:41 |
| LjL | it's plausible but there are a lot of numbers that are plausible | 17:41 |
| LjL | it could be less or more | 17:41 |
| LjL | i don't think we have anything concrete to determine that yet | 17:41 |
| aradesh | it's probably more than the official number, but probably not as many as 100x the official nunmber | 17:41 |
| LjL | we *know* there are more people than the official numbers state | 17:41 |
| LjL | but that's an easy guess | 17:41 |
| LjL | it could just be, say, twice | 17:42 |
| LjL | i hope it's a lot, honestly, because that would mean a better outcome for most | 17:42 |
| LjL | but i don't personally *believe* it's a lot | 17:42 |
| aradesh | we get a lot of people in the UK in a blasé manner saying things like, "oh most people have probably had it now" -.- | 17:42 |
| LjL | if you want my guess, it's 3x as much | 17:42 |
| aradesh | not realising how much of the population is basically a candy store for the virus | 17:42 |
| LjL | aradesh, i still occasionally get people saying it's just a flu or even a cold | 17:42 |
| LjL | so really | 17:42 |
| LjL | what can i say | 17:42 |
| aradesh | 3x, so that would be like 0.3%-ish of population | 17:43 |
| aradesh | so, still a small minority... | 17:43 |
| aradesh | yet so many dead | 17:43 |
| kreyren | From czech republic: Josef Prusa (creator of Prusa 3d printers) is making a protective shields for health services, currently 12.000 were donated and another 90.000 are on the way, you can also make those yourself provided that you have a 3D Printer - https://www.prusa3d.com/covid19/ | 17:44 |
| LjL | aradesh, we need a random-sample testing in a country with a known relatively high number of cases | 17:45 |
| kreyren | Also you can join a group for making these all around the world on https://www.prusaprinters.org/group/discover | 17:45 |
| LjL | i don't think iceland counts | 17:45 |
| aradesh | LjL: yep. need like a million tests made | 17:45 |
| LjL | but the countries we'd want to do this in, they are too busy to waste time with random testing | 17:45 |
| LjL | they need to treat people who are dying instead | 17:45 |
| aradesh | yeah | 17:46 |
| aradesh | peolpe have even been complaining here that we gave a test to boris johnson rather than people who are properly sick | 17:46 |
| LjL | eh come on | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:43 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Trump sta considerando di mettere in quarantena 3 stati. — from r/WorldNews at 16:43: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/2j26BR | 17:46 |
| aradesh | did italy have a new daily record again? :/ | 17:47 |
| azy | they'll pass 10k soon | 17:47 |
| aradesh | they've cancelled all trains in india | 17:48 |
| aradesh | our trains are still running... | 17:48 |
| rajrajraj | aradesh: r u Indian | 17:48 |
| aradesh | nah, the UK | 17:49 |
| rajrajraj | Ur name indian | 17:49 |
| aradesh | yeah, i got my name from a computer game :) | 17:49 |
| aradesh | computer game character | 17:49 |
| aradesh | https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Aradesh | 17:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +6175 cases (now 629820), +123 deaths (now 28969), +692 recoveries (now 138085) 🔸 US: +6119 cases (now 112377), +122 deaths (now 1873), +681 recoveries (now 3219) 🔸 New York, US: +6056 cases (now 52318), +122 deaths (now 728) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) [... want %more?] | 17:50 |
| rajrajraj | Ok | 17:51 |
| rajrajraj | azy: hi | 17:51 |
| jacklsw | well there is indian sounding name in star trek as well | 17:51 |
| jacklsw | khan | 17:51 |
| jacklsw | :D | 17:51 |
| rajrajraj | Damn | 17:51 |
| rajrajraj | They refer my name as jar jar too | 17:52 |
| rajrajraj | Its some star trek ref too i guess | 17:52 |
| jacklsw | that's star wars | 17:52 |
| jacklsw | jar jar binks lol | 17:52 |
| rajrajraj | Oh | 17:52 |
| rajrajraj | I haven't seen any of those murican shows | 17:52 |
| rajrajraj | There has to be something realistic as well as amazing out there in the space | 17:53 |
| rajrajraj | I guess our astro scientists are too lazy | 17:54 |
| rajrajraj | They just wanna name one star out of billions out there and be done for life | 17:55 |
| LjL | oh uhm it's press conference time unless they already did it at 17:30 like yesterday | 17:55 |
| LjL | but my alarms rings at 17:55 | 17:55 |
| LjL | nope, it says 18:00 today | 17:55 |
| LjL | i won't transcribe it, just give the numbers and any important bits | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spanish authorities hope cases peaking, as global numbers exceed 600,000 — from r/WorldNews at 16:49: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/VmuicT | 17:59 |
| aradesh | "if we can keep deaths under 20,000 we will have done very well in this epidemic" says UK science man | 18:00 |
| aradesh | doesn't sound like a success to me... | 18:00 |
| LjL | realistic | 18:00 |
| aradesh | given that a country with population of a billion only had 3,000 | 18:00 |
| LjL | probably optimistic | 18:00 |
| aradesh | yeah it's realistic, and a statement from today | 18:00 |
| LjL | aradesh, yeah but we're past that | 18:00 |
| aradesh | but in general, a success? no | 18:00 |
| LjL | fair point | 18:01 |
| LjL | but can't go back in time now | 18:01 |
| aradesh | yup | 18:01 |
| azy | at this point it would be a success | 18:01 |
| azy | relative to more than 20k | 18:01 |
| yn | https://twitter.com/hankgreen/status/1243928372981321729 | 18:01 |
| aradesh | yep | 18:01 |
| aradesh | i understand | 18:01 |
| aradesh | but it's sad that we were so slow to clamp down, unlike korea, japan and china | 18:01 |
| hooper | !corona fr | 18:01 |
| aradesh | i mean china... they had first to do all the research and work out what was killing their peoplel | 18:01 |
| aradesh | and they kept it under 3000... | 18:01 |
| aradesh | what does that say about us, who had months of warning? | 18:01 |
| aradesh | well, not much more than 3000* | 18:02 |
| zirpu[m] | supposedly. china isn't necessarily being honest with their numbers. eventually the truth will come out. | 18:02 |
| aradesh | if china's values were really much more out though, we'd find out | 18:03 |
| aradesh | you can't cover up 10's of thousands of people dying | 18:03 |
| aradesh | and if it got out of control in china, youd' get way more than that, it's a huge country | 18:03 |
| aradesh | also china's growth rate in the virus near the start was just like everywhere else. in which case, china's data was honest... until randomly one day they stopped being honest? | 18:03 |
| aradesh | i know they're not a trustworthy country in general, but their data is consistent with their behaviour | 18:04 |
| zirpu[m] | not so random. | 18:04 |
| aradesh | and consistent with other countries spread of the virus hwich happened months later | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +439 cases (now 630259), +9 deaths (now 28978), +4 recoveries (now 138089) 🔸 Luxembourg: +226 cases (now 1831), +3 deaths (now 18) 🔸 Veneto, Italy: +433 cases (now 7930), +49 deaths (now 362), +119 recoveries (now 655) 🔸 Toscana, Italy: +367 cases (now 3817), +21 deaths (now 198), +5 recoveries (now 108) [... want %more?] | 18:05 |
| aradesh | "but china is lying D:" is a cope, that is so far not supported by any evidence | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:01 UTC: /u/slakmehl: President Trump hints at quarantine of New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut. Governor Cuomo has responded that he has no idea what Trump is talking about, or how such a quarantine would be enforceable. — from r/WorldNews at 17:01: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/Rn4WWk | 18:05 |
| mefistofeles | aradesh: 20k deaths for the whole thing sounds really good as an outcome | 18:07 |
| mefistofeles | that is if the virus is stopped completeeventually, and the total death toll is that | 18:07 |
| mefistofeles | english so hard | 18:07 |
| mefistofeles | hahaha | 18:07 |
| aradesh | if it did go completely out of hand in china, they wouldn't also be lifting restrictions in wuhan as they are now | 18:09 |
| aradesh | people going back to work, schools reopening | 18:09 |
| aradesh | but border controls still in place | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | the main problem there is now not letting it in again | 18:09 |
| hirogen | Governor Cuomo has responded that he has no idea what Trump is talking about, or how such a quarantine would be enforceable. (lol coming from a country which invaded over 50 countries and caused chaos, pretty sure they can lock down NY | 18:10 |
| mefistofeles | the local government has to comply, though | 18:10 |
| aradesh | china's data is consistent with their lockdown measures. they just took it more seriously, earlier than most western nations. | 18:10 |
| hirogen | The jewish fuckers in Isreal now know what it's like to contain the Palistinians under sanctions and checkpoints and human rights violations | 18:10 |
| aradesh | hirogen: wha's happening in israel? | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:09 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: La conferenza stampa della Protezione Civile inizierà a breve. — from r/WorldNews at 17:09: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/H8bfZQ | 18:12 |
| hooper | !corona is | 18:13 |
| hooper | !corona il | 18:14 |
| X-Scale | Are Italy numbers for today out already ? | 18:15 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ↑ | 18:15 |
| mefistofeles | X-Scale: probably yes, because the press conference should be happening as we speak | 18:15 |
| farn | %data italy | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | farn: In all areas, Italy, there are 86498 cases, 9134 deaths (10.6% of cases), 10950 recoveries as of March 28, 17:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:18 |
| AimHere | X-Scale, +5974 infected, +889 dead | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: POM-DPC dati forniti dal Ministero della Salute AGGIORNAMENTO 28/03/2020 ORE 17.00 POSITIVI AL ncoV. Total | DIMESSI/ attualmente | GUARITI positivi Ricoverati | Terapia | Isolamento DECEDUTI CASI TOTALI] TAMPONI ‘con sintomi | intensiva | domiciliare Lombardia 11152 1319 12038 24509 Emilia [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/cBcfnF | 18:18 |
| aradesh | does that take them to over 10k? | 18:18 |
| IronY | someone in my home town complaning gas is still 20 cents over the average in every other surrounding town | 18:18 |
| IronY | me wondering where the fuck they got to go that bitching about gas prices makes any sense | 18:19 |
| AimHere | aradesh, 10,023 deaths, yes | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +8105 cases (now 638364), +908 deaths (now 29886), +1451 recoveries (now 139540) 🔸 US: +255 cases (now 112815), +2 deaths (now 1880) 🔸 Turkey: +1704 cases (now 7402), +16 deaths (now 108) 🔸 Italy: +5974 cases (now 92472), +889 deaths (now 10023), +1434 recoveries (now 12384) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) [... want %more?] | 18:20 |
| aradesh | :/ | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Shellshocked Spain reports record deaths, nurses plead for gear — from r/WorldNews at 17:20: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 18:24 |
| python476 | ola | 18:24 |
| python476 | how is it going | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Britain will have 'done well' to keep deaths under 20,000 - medical director — from r/WorldNews at 17:25: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/4gZCyE | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +7029 cases (now 645393), +59 deaths (now 29945) 🔸 US: +3161 cases (now 115976), +55 deaths (now 1935) 🔸 Sweden: +378 cases (now 3447) 🔸 New Jersey, US: +2299 cases (now 11124), +32 deaths (now 140) 🔸 Louisiana, US: +569 cases (now 3315), +18 deaths (now 137) 🔸 Germany: +2862 cases (now 56202), +4 deaths (now 403) [... want %more?] | 18:35 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, i'm sorry, my sister and her new boyfriend visited, i had to attend | 18:35 |
| LjL | but apparently r/Italy posted the numbers anyway | 18:35 |
| LjL | let's see ugh | 18:35 |
| LjL | 5974 is more or less like yesterday? | 18:35 |
| bin_bash | LjL: that's not very responsible | 18:35 |
| LjL | and the deaths... very many but less than yesterday | 18:35 |
| LjL | bin_bash, they stayed out of the door and we were at least 2m apart at all times | 18:36 |
| bin_bash | well thats good at least | 18:36 |
| LjL | we still have to queue for hours for groceries, unless we get lucky enough with online ordering | 18:36 |
| LjL | which, incidentally, is something younger people can do much better than the "vulnerable people at risk" | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Shellshocked Spain reports record deaths, nurses plead for gear — from r/WorldNews at 17:31: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 18:37 |
| LjL | so i'd say until they find a way to deliver groceries to *everybody*, i won't feel very guilty for the odd visit with precautions | 18:37 |
| LjL | if they want us welded inside like in Wuhan, then give us food thx | 18:37 |
| bin_bash | LjL: that's crazy. you dont have the ability to order online and then have the groceries put into your car? | 18:38 |
| LjL | no | 18:38 |
| LjL | we have the ability to have groceries delivered to our home, but that system is collapsing | 18:38 |
| bin_bash | damn i'm sorry | 18:38 |
| LjL | they have slots within the next 15 days | 18:38 |
| LjL | but they're all full, always | 18:38 |
| LjL | so what you have to do is: wait until midnight, when next slots open | 18:39 |
| bin_bash | yeah the delivery here is pretty much full except costco | 18:39 |
| LjL | then keep trying and trying again, because everyone else is doing the same, overloading the site | 18:39 |
| LjL | if you get lucky at some point you manage to secure a slot | 18:39 |
| bin_bash | where my mom lives delivery is all full, but she can order it and have someone put it in her car | 18:39 |
| LjL | if you don't, better luck next night | 18:39 |
| LjL | bin_bash, we don't have much of a car culture so these things aren't really done here afaik | 18:39 |
| LjL | at least they might be in some places but i'm not aware of it | 18:40 |
| bin_bash | yeah makes sense | 18:40 |
| bin_bash | when my mom was in rome for a month or so she said that was a very interesting difference | 18:40 |
| bin_bash | she loved it | 18:40 |
| LjL | there's definitely many cars in rome | 18:40 |
| LjL | too many, more traffic than milan | 18:40 |
| LjL | but it's kind of different | 18:40 |
| bin_bash | also she became friends with the truffle vendor at the train depot hahaha | 18:40 |
| LjL | hmmm truffle | 18:41 |
| LjL | i'd like me some truffle | 18:41 |
| bin_bash | yeah it's different from the us too, like nyc where she lives (just outside the city) | 18:41 |
| LjL | maybe NYC is a bit more like here | 18:41 |
| bin_bash | nyc has lots and lots of cars | 18:41 |
| LjL | little to no parking available | 18:41 |
| bin_bash | well depends where you are, but pmuch in manhattan yeah | 18:42 |
| LjL | yeah, but, we have lots and lots of cars too, compared to 1) the size of the city, which is geographically small, and 2) the fact most buildings don't have their own parking spaces | 18:42 |
| bin_bash | she lives in the suburbs tho so a car is kinda necessary | 18:42 |
| bin_bash | yeah | 18:42 |
| LjL | right, suburbs is different | 18:42 |
| LjL | but i'm in Milan proper and i can park in my area because we get a pass thing for that | 18:42 |
| bin_bash | i think youre right about the culture though | 18:42 |
| LjL | but if i have to go *somewhere else*, which is kind of the point of using a car, then i can't park in other areas | 18:43 |
| bin_bash | wow that sucks | 18:43 |
| LjL | except for a small number of paid parking spaces, which are often all filled | 18:43 |
| bin_bash | it's not like that in nyc | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:39 UTC: /u/slakmehl: President Trump teases a decision today on a quarantine of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut for which there is no clear legal basis or enforcement capability. — from r/WorldNews at 17:39: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/y8vxFs | 18:43 |
| bin_bash | street parking is pretty much fair game, and garage parking exists but it's very expensive | 18:43 |
| LjL | O.o | 18:43 |
| LjL | look at Brainstorm | 18:43 |
| bin_bash | so either you drive around looking for street parking or you take out a second mortgage on a garage lol | 18:43 |
| bin_bash | trump is a moron | 18:43 |
| LjL | bin_bash, we've done the latter, but we mostly still park in the street :P | 18:43 |
| bin_bash | heh easier tbh | 18:44 |
| LjL | bin_bash, our building has parking spaces in the basement, having some of them was compulsory in the 60s when it was built. but they only had to build like for 30% of the apartments, so our apartment doesn't actually have one | 18:45 |
| LjL | nowadays they have to build *more* than the apartments inside | 18:45 |
| LjL | so our garage is in another building | 18:46 |
| LjL | three floors underground | 18:46 |
| LjL | street is easier | 18:46 |
| bin_bash | yeah makes sense | 18:46 |
| LjL | Milan still has tons of housing that was built in the 20s and 30s, obviously no garages there | 18:46 |
| LjL | and there are virtually no actual houses | 18:46 |
| LjL | most of urban and also suburban Italy is like that | 18:47 |
| LjL | people live in apartments and houses are from uncommon to extremely rare (like inside Milan) | 18:47 |
| bin_bash | interesting | 18:47 |
| LjL | a funny fact i know is that we were, at some point, the country with the most elevators in the world... and that's in total, not per capita | 18:47 |
| LjL | past tense because it said China was about to overtake us, and since i read that a while ago, it probably did by now | 18:47 |
| LjL | but then China has uhm | 18:48 |
| LjL | %wa 1300/60 | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (1300/60): Decimal approximation: 21.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1300%2F60 | 18:48 |
| LjL | this many people more than us | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Shellshocked Spain reports record deaths, nurses plead for gear — from r/WorldNews at 17:43: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 18:49 |
| LjL | Borrelli did today's press conference so i guess his fever wasn't too bad | 18:53 |
| LjL | i'm watching the recording | 18:53 |
| azy | italy over 10k | 18:56 |
| LjL | deaths? | 18:56 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 92472 cases, 10023 deaths (10.8% of cases), 12384 recoveries as of March 28, 17:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:56 |
| LjL | didn't the percentage decline slightly | 18:57 |
| LjL | %cases lombardia | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 39415 cases, 5944 deaths (15.1% of cases), 8962 recoveries as of March 28, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 18:57 |
| LjL | well this one didn't | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:57 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Fantastic primer on visualizing exponential spread of an epidemic over time, how to tell when spread is successfully being slowed in a specific region, and the inherent weaknesses in the data. Provides generally useful knowledge for interpreting the various techniques used to depict covid spread, and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ILkLhr | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +562 cases (now 645955), +31 deaths (now 29976), +12 recoveries (now 139552) 🔸 Ireland: +294 cases (now 2415), +14 deaths (now 36) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Arizona, US: +108 cases (now 773), +2 deaths (now 15) 🔹 Armenia: +35 cases (now 407), +2 recoveries (now 30) 🔹 Aruba: +13 cases (now 46) [... want %more?] | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Shellshocked Spain reports record deaths, nurses plead for gear — from r/WorldNews at 18:07: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 19:14 |
| sYN4P515 | %data usa | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | sYN4P515: In all areas, US, there are 116057 cases, 1937 deaths (1.7% of cases), 3224 recoveries as of March 28, 18:03Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:15 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona us | 19:16 |
| CoronaBot | USA: Global rank: 04#1, cases: 07116,057 (+11,931), fatalities: 041,937 (+241), active cases: 04110,896, total recovered: 093,224, in a serious condition: 042,666. Case fatality rate: 04-, mortality: 041.67%, cases/1M: 04351.0, deaths/1M: 046.0. Case rate: 0418,691/day, death rate: 04401/day. | 19:16 |
| LjL | UGH | 19:16 |
| LjL | i forgot about daylight savings switch | 19:16 |
| LjL | hate hate hate hate | 19:16 |
| mefistofeles | we have another bot? :o | 19:17 |
| LjL | Europe: it's virtually 20:27 CEST in case you forgot! | 19:17 |
| LjL | err | 19:17 |
| LjL | that may be a bit too many tbh | 19:17 |
| LjL | we already have two and sometimes people get a bit spammy! | 19:17 |
| mefistofeles | that last one is nice, but we have to check where it gets the data from | 19:17 |
| sYN4P515 | yup, pls let me know if it's ok | 19:17 |
| mefistofeles | sYN4P515: is it open source? | 19:18 |
| sYN4P515 | data is from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ | 19:18 |
| sYN4P515 | and aus govt and canada govt websites | 19:18 |
| aradesh | thunderf00t's coronavirus update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3v_aUQa6NU | 19:18 |
| sYN4P515 | not opensource, i coded it myself | 19:18 |
| sYN4P515 | !usa | 19:18 |
| CoronaBot | Top ten infected states: | 19:18 |
| CoronaBot | New York: 04#1 (52,318), New Jersey: 04#2 (11,124), California: 04#3 (4,980), Florida: 04#4 (3,763), Washington: 04#5 (3,723), Michigan: 04#6 (3,657), Louisiana: 04#7 (3,315), Massachusetts: 04#8 (3,240), Illinois: 04#9 (3,026), Pennsylvania: 04#10 (2,751) | 19:18 |
| sYN4P515 | supports us states and counties | 19:19 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona new york city, ny | 19:19 |
| CoronaBot | New York City, New York: Confirmed cases: 0423,112, fatalities: 04365. | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +350 cases (now 646305), +9 deaths (now 29985) 🔸 US: +269 cases (now 116326), +6 deaths (now 1943) 🔸 Ohio, US: +269 cases (now 1406), +6 deaths (now 25) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Arizona, US: +108 cases (now 773), +2 deaths (now 15) 🔹 Armenia: +35 cases (now 407), +2 recoveries (now 30) [... want %more?] | 19:20 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona | 19:20 |
| CoronaBot | Total cases: 07645,956 (+49,644), deaths: 0429,979 (+2,637), recovered: 09139,552. Active cases: 04476,425, 02451,687 are in a mild condition, 0424,738 are in a serious condition. Case fatality rate: 0417.68%, mortality: 044.64%. Case rate: 0464,501/day, death rate: 043,272/day. Last update: 053m ago. | 19:20 |
| aradesh | i've got this weird patch on my neck... where it's a bit red and the skin is dry | 19:20 |
| sYN4P515 | hmm Brainstorm seems to be a bit ahead | 19:20 |
| aradesh | if i feel it, it feels all dry and smooth, unlike my normal slightly clammy skin | 19:20 |
| mefistofeles | sYN4P515: what is it coded in? And would it be possible to make it publicly available? | 19:21 |
| sYN4P515 | it's in c#, i might make it opensource, but need to finish refactoring and cleanup code | 19:22 |
| sYN4P515 | it's just a part of a larger irc bot project i'm working on | 19:22 |
| mefistofeles | sYN4P515: ah ok | 19:23 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 7402 cases, 108 deaths (1.5% of cases), 42 recoveries as of March 28, 18:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 19:31 |
| IronY | %world | 19:33 |
| IronY | %data world | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, World, there are 646305 cases, 29985 deaths (4.6% of cases), 139552 recoveries as of March 28, 18:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 19:33 |
| IronY | sYN4P515: did u jack my canadian gov scraper :D | 19:34 |
| IronY | lol | 19:34 |
| IronY | (by jack I mean did u click the link i had sent u) | 19:34 |
| xrogaan | I haven't really heard anything from Australia. Are there quarantines there? | 19:34 |
| sYN4P515 | IronY lol im using data from this page for canada https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection.html | 19:34 |
| sYN4P515 | they have a csv | 19:34 |
| IronY | xrogaan: now is a good time to pay attention to ur local news | 19:34 |
| sYN4P515 | !canada | 19:34 |
| CoronaBot | Top ten infected provinces: | 19:34 |
| CoronaBot | Quebec: 04#1 (2,021), Ontario: 04#2 (993), British Columbia: 04#3 (792), Alberta: 04#4 (542), Saskatchewan: 04#5 (104), Newfoundland and Labrador: 04#6 (102), Nova Scotia: 04#7 (90), New Brunswick: 04#8 (45), Manitoba: 04#9 (25), Repatriated travellers: 04#10 (13) | 19:34 |
| IronY | sYN4P515: Nice! | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +4817 cases (now 651122), +319 deaths (now 30304), +3 recoveries (now 139555) 🔸 France: +4611 cases (now 37575), +319 deaths (now 2314) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Arizona, US: +108 cases (now 773), +2 deaths (now 15) 🔹 Armenia: +35 cases (now 407), +2 recoveries (now 30) [... want %more?] | 19:35 |
| IronY | CoronaBot: csv is maybe a day out of date | 19:35 |
| IronY | oops | 19:35 |
| IronY | but to be fair I need to now go fix the html scraper AGAIN | 19:35 |
| IronY | they change the formatting every other day | 19:35 |
| sYN4P515 | ahh yeah it's a PITA :) | 19:35 |
| IronY | someone needs to have a fucking stand meeting a little more often | 19:36 |
| IronY | oh wow we moved to a graph/csv | 19:36 |
| IronY | i see what ur saying now | 19:36 |
| IronY | I guess I am also going to CSV | 19:36 |
| IronY | Covid 19, the only thing that will make the canadian government move past tables | 19:37 |
| sYN4P515 | hahaha | 19:37 |
| Spec | day 32 of isolation: made a bagpipe w/ a garbage bag, recorder, plastic tube, and a wooden train whistle | 19:38 |
| IronY | LOOL | 19:38 |
| IronY | Day 32 of isolation: Finally got around to turn on the news, seems I am in some sort of forced isolation, if no one had told me I would not of known | 19:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump weighs NY quarantine, France orders 1 billion masks — from r/WorldNews at 18:31: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 19:40 |
| Spec | IronY: i ain't kiddin' :P | 19:41 |
| IronY | Spec: You should do the whole world a favor and play some mary had a little lamb and zelda tunes on youtube | 19:41 |
| IronY | also, I applaud your creativity lol | 19:41 |
| Spec | i saw a picture on imgur and thought it looked easy :P | 19:41 |
| Spec | i'm not that creative | 19:42 |
| Scarecr0w | https://i.imgur.com/4QJtWAE.jpg LOLOL | 19:42 |
| IronY | I have the utmost confidence if you had the ability to create said contraption you can play mary had a little lamb on it :D | 19:42 |
| IronY | sYN4P515: I was trying not to code anything today | 19:43 |
| IronY | Way to ruin that :P | 19:43 |
| sYN4P515 | haha it's fun, just put on some tunes and take your time :P | 19:44 |
| sYN4P515 | i'm making myself to do full on TDD | 19:44 |
| sYN4P515 | it's great to see the tests go green | 19:45 |
| sYN4P515 | <3 ncrunch | 19:45 |
| Spec | Scarecr0w: lol surely that's fake | 19:47 |
| Scarecr0w | Spec: I hope so lol | 19:49 |
| LjL | FYI my area of Milan looks like a ghost town | 19:49 |
| LjL | I had to take a walk | 19:50 |
| LjL | Brain demanded it | 19:50 |
| LjL | There's only a lot of trams, because they reversed the decision to curtail service | 19:50 |
| LjL | One of them even had three people on it | 19:50 |
| LjL | But the others were empty | 19:50 |
| ubLIX | was it at least a nice evening, LjL? | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Conte: "Subito 4,3 miliardi ai Comuni e 400 milioni per fornire generi alimentari ai cittadini in difficoltà" - la Repubblica — from r/WorldNews at 18:48: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/YgBNWi | 19:52 |
| LjL | ubLIX: lovey due to lack of people in a way, although I have to listen to music or I hear tinnitus, which I normally don't outside due to noise | 19:53 |
| LjL | I hope this is not too airborne | 19:53 |
| LjL | The sun is long gone but it's pretty warm | 19:53 |
| ubLIX | doesn't get spooky here till after dark, then there's reeeally no one about | 19:54 |
| ubLIX | *in nearest small town | 19:55 |
| ubLIX | out here in the sticks, the light pollution is way down too, which is quite nice | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:56 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Spain extends lockdown of all citizens apart from essential work to April 9th. — from r/WorldNews at 18:56: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/FaaQk6 | 19:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:57 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The absence of robust screening until it was “far too late” revealed failures across the government, said Dr. Thomas Frieden, the former C.D.C. director. Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins, said the Trump administration had “incredibly limited” views of the pathogen’s [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VvsDWz | 20:05 |
| Spec | ubLIX: i was wondering if light pollution would be down or not | 20:07 |
| Spec | ubLIX: but it's been nothing but clouds for weeks | 20:07 |
| ubLIX | Spec: i have 180 degree view as far as the eye can see; light levels are down; not sure why; suppose it's a lot of industries/small industries not keeping their lights on all night | 20:09 |
| Spec | i wonder how much light pollution is due to cars | 20:09 |
| mefistofeles | NICE!! http://www.deshawresearch.com/resources_sarscov2.html | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump weighs NY quarantine, France orders 1 billion masks — from r/WorldNews at 19:07: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:09 UTC: (news): Trump is considering 'enforceable' quarantine on New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut — from r/WorldNews at 19:09: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/tNCHzp | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:18 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Rapido recap per chi non avesse seguito la conferenza stampa — from r/WorldNews at 19:18: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/7GjMeV | 20:23 |
| aradesh | LjL: i hear germany is trying to work up to 200,000 test per day, so at this rate we should get some pretty good data on spread from there | 20:24 |
| LjL | that's about 10x what we do | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:23 UTC: New York orders thousands of manually operated pump ventilators as coronavirus cases surge: 'This is the alternative': As the number of coronavirus cases rises in New York, the Empire State prepares to add four more hospitals. The state has also ordered thousands of manual ventilators in preparation for an impending [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/raW5Jf | 20:30 |
| LjL | manual, really? | 20:33 |
| LjL | so both the person in ICU dies and also the ones taking debilitating turns in pumping air? | 20:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Wow | 20:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1875 cases (now 652997), +23 deaths (now 30327), +34 recoveries (now 139589) 🔸 US: +1577 cases (now 117903), +21 deaths (now 1964) 🔸 Michigan, US: +993 cases (now 4650), +19 deaths (now 111) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Arizona, US: +108 cases (now 773), +2 deaths (now 15) [... want %more?] | 20:35 |
| bin_bash | lol | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:28 UTC: Scenes of cities shut down by the coronavirus pandemic: Cities around the world have been brought to a halt as governments ask citizens to stay inside until the pandemic — from r/WorldNews at 19:28: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/erFGlr | 20:36 |
| LjL | %cases us | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 117903 cases, 1964 deaths (1.7% of cases), 3224 recoveries as of March 28, 19:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 20:37 |
| LjL | i have a couple of empty-street pictures but they identify where i am a bit too much | 20:37 |
| LjL | besides, they just show that stuff is empty | 20:37 |
| LjL | you can probably imagine it | 20:37 |
| LjL | the true face of the WHO? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLvg0KnTKhU&feature=youtu.be&t=1193 | 20:41 |
| IronY | sYN4P515: 😷 Canada - 16 hours ago → [Total] 5,264 Con (+614) 39 Prob 59 Dead [BC] 792 Con (+67) 16 Dead [AB] 542 Con 2 Dead [SK] 104 Con [MB] 25 Con (+25) 39 Prob 1 Dead [ON] 993 Con 18 Dead [Quebec] 2,498 Con (+477) 22 Dead [NL] 120 Con (+18) [NB] 51 Con (+6) [NS] 110 Con (+20) [PEI] 11 Con [NT] 1 Con [NU] 0 Con [YK] 4 Con (+1) [Repatriated] 13 Con | 20:42 |
| sYN4P515 | oh nice, well done! | 20:42 |
| AimHere | LjL, that's just the dilemma you have when you're a UN flunky. Since the UN spent about 20 years denying the existence of the PRC and denoting Taiwan as all of China, it's kindof a funny turnaround | 20:44 |
| IronY | sYN4P515: this is actually a step back | 20:45 |
| IronY | seems they only update this csv once a day | 20:46 |
| IronY | versus the twice a day we got with that table | 20:46 |
| sYN4P515 | oh, didnt know that table was being updated that often | 20:46 |
| IronY | 10:30am and 6:30 pm | 20:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:46 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus lockdown: India grapples with migrant workers' exodus | India News | Al Jazeera — from r/WorldNews at 19:46: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/Pc72On | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1499 cases (now 654496), +39 deaths (now 30366), +2 recoveries (now 139591) 🔸 US: +689 cases (now 118592), +15 deaths (now 1979) 🔸 Switzerland: +699 cases (now 14076), +22 deaths (now 264) 🔸 Illinois, US: +465 cases (now 3491), +13 deaths (now 47) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) [... want %more?] | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:50 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: India — from r/WorldNews at 19:50: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/Odn577 | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2543 cases (now 657039), +37 deaths (now 30403), +1823 recoveries (now 141414) 🔸 US: +1017 cases (now 119609), +9 deaths (now 1988) 🔸 Massachusetts, US: +1017 cases (now 4257), +9 deaths (now 44) 🔸 Germany: +1493 cases (now 57695), +27 deaths (now 430), +1823 recoveries (now 8481) [... want %more?] | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 20:00 UTC: Health: Why Some People Resist Advice on How to Behave in the Pandemic — from r/WorldNews at 20:00: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/yWL1FC | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:10 UTC: New York orders thousands of manually operated pump ventilators as coronavirus cases surge: 'This is the alternative': As the number of coronavirus cases rises in New York, the Empire State prepares to add four more hospitals. The state has also ordered thousands of manual ventilators in preparation for an impending [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/raW5Jf | 21:13 |
| metreo | %data world | 21:15 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: In all areas, World, there are 657039 cases, 30403 deaths (4.6% of cases), 141414 recoveries as of March 28, 20:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 21:15 |
| metreo | !corona world | 21:15 |
| CoronaBot | 04,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 21:15 |
| sYN4P515 | !cororna | 21:15 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona | 21:15 |
| CoronaBot | Total cases: 07656,997 (+60,685), deaths: 0430,401 (+3,059), recovered: 09141,419. Active cases: 04485,177, 02459,929 are in a mild condition, 0425,248 are in a serious condition. Case fatality rate: 0417.69%, mortality: 044.63%. Case rate: 0464,501/day, death rate: 043,272/day. Last update: 054m ago. | 21:15 |
| metreo | Thank you | 21:16 |
| ubLIX | LjL, tinwhiskers: quick and dirty country population numbers from UN (via Wikipedia), mostly following offloop scheme: https://paste.debian.net/1137136/ | 21:19 |
| ubLIX | sub-region numbers an ongoing project... | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump weighs NY quarantine, France orders 1 billion masks — from r/WorldNews at 20:13: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +744 cases (now 657783), +22 deaths (now 30425), +5 recoveries (now 141419) 🔸 Brazil: +427 cases (now 3904), +18 deaths (now 111) 🔹 Alabama, US: +50 cases (now 694) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 18) [... want %more?] | 21:20 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: Sweet. I'll just make it that it won't plot series without a population figure | 21:21 |
| IronY | Facebook: Guy I know who snorts drugs that are likely to kill him off stalls yelling how to government does not care about his health | 21:31 |
| IronY | Denial will not be solved due to covid19 | 21:31 |
| Chronikle | https://www.bitchute.com/video/Cyfl_MLYMIM/ we are change video Bill Gates And Pandemic Warnings: What You're Not Being Told | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +343 cases (now 658126), +11 deaths (now 30436) 🔸 US: +256 cases (now 119938), +3 deaths (now 1991) 🔸 Texas, US: +254 cases (now 2329), +3 deaths (now 30) 🔹 Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 696) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 18) [... want %more?] | 21:35 |
| IronY | I always trust random people who join channels and post bitchute videos | 21:36 |
| IronY | as a principal | 21:36 |
| Chronikle | we are change video | 21:36 |
| IronY | I wouldent even sign up to this garbage platform to give it a thumb down | 21:37 |
| Chronikle | so | 21:37 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: it will fall on its own weight :) no worries | 21:37 |
| Chronikle | and youtube is a fresh spring chicken ? | 21:37 |
| Chronikle | With All the ASMR pedo vids ? | 21:37 |
| IronY | Chronikle: You seem like a bright young man | 21:38 |
| Chronikle | i have seen things im not allowed to say | 21:38 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: Never seen a comment section worse then 4chan until someone posted a bit chute link | 21:38 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 21:38 |
| AimHere | That was an enigmatic exit | 21:38 |
| IronY | Ye saw things he is not allowed to say! But Subscribe now and support me on patreon and I will tell you all about it! | 21:39 |
| xrogaan | wtf it bitchute? | 21:39 |
| AimHere | I can go one better. I'm not allowed to even mention that there are things I've seen that I'm not allowed to say | 21:40 |
| IronY | LOOOL | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | AimHere: I'm not allowed to agree or disagree on that | 21:40 |
| IronY | xrogaan: It is youtube for bottom feeders | 21:40 |
| IronY | comments from this video | 21:40 |
| IronY | "Gates will get rich off this, no doubt... from computer viruses to global pandemics." | 21:40 |
| IronY | When you have 96.3 billion USD | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | he needs the money | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 21:40 |
| IronY | you do not really need to 'get rich' | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | haha | 21:41 |
| mefistofeles | exactly | 21:41 |
| AimHere | People who know the things that nobody else does, except how rich Bill Gates already is | 21:41 |
| IronY | People thought the same thing about Jobs until he died of an easily avoidable cancer and could not save his own life lol | 21:41 |
| xrogaan | they are armchair analysts? | 21:41 |
| IronY | xrogaan: there trying to scare you and also sell you supplies via their online outlets | 21:42 |
| IronY | xrogaan: Bill gates did X but buy Y from website Z now! | 21:42 |
| AimHere | That's actually kindof a good strategy | 21:42 |
| IronY | Normally I would agree that is called capitalism | 21:42 |
| IronY | but in these circumstances, I am all for those people being shot in the face in a public broadcast as a deterrent | 21:43 |
| AimHere | The conspiracy crud pretty much filters out the non-gullible, meaning those who actually read your guff are easy marks for the snake oil you sell | 21:43 |
| IronY | dont need to kill all of em | 21:43 |
| IronY | just a few | 21:43 |
| AimHere | Alex Jones is on the same hustle. | 21:43 |
| IronY | Last I checked even alex jones is riding the line | 21:44 |
| xrogaan | I mean, the dude in that video is selling you "hand sanitizer" from something he uses personally which turns out to be owned by his friend. | 21:44 |
| AimHere | Come to think of it, you do want your ideas to be inconsistent nonsense | 21:44 |
| IronY | to be fair to alex | 21:44 |
| IronY | he was a character on the pandemic movie | 21:44 |
| IronY | and that did not end well for jude law | 21:44 |
| IronY | lol | 21:44 |
| AimHere | Again, to filter out those with too many critical thinking skills | 21:44 |
| xrogaan | He's a bad Alex Jones, not even funny. | 21:44 |
| AimHere | He was also in two of those Richard Linklater cartoons | 21:44 |
| AimHere | Pretty much being himself | 21:44 |
| IronY | also to be fair to alex jones | 21:45 |
| IronY | again, I am not for alex jones | 21:45 |
| IronY | but I will call it when I see it | 21:45 |
| IronY | we all thought pizza gate was insane | 21:45 |
| IronY | then Jeffery epstien killed himself in a cell somehow | 21:45 |
| IronY | I guess if you make enough predictions ur bound to be right on a few | 21:45 |
| xrogaan | alright, back to topic covid :P | 21:46 |
| IronY | If Covid makes frogs gay, Ill send alex jones all my money ;) | 21:46 |
| python476 | do you guys use far uvc lights ? | 21:47 |
| LjL | cool thanks ubLIX, i guess you don't know what to do with your time now do you :P | 21:55 |
| LjL | python476, i used a cheap UV torch and it hurt my eyes and i got scared | 21:55 |
| LjL | since i had not realized even those tiny things could be not so great | 21:55 |
| python476 | some say sub 200nm (far uvc) is ok | 21:58 |
| python476 | for skin and eyes | 21:58 |
| python476 | to be checkde | 21:58 |
| python476 | night | 21:58 |
| LjL | python476, well my eyes didn't like it, but obviously i've not quite gone blind either | 21:59 |
| python476 | uvc can harm fully, just not far uvc (according to some) | 22:00 |
| LjL | python476, well i have no idea what wavelength that thing is technically | 22:01 |
| LjL | python476, it's very cheap mini-torches sold mainly to people who want to figure out where their cat peed | 22:02 |
| LjL | although i bought it for DROPLETS | 22:02 |
| LjL | and didn't really find any | 22:02 |
| swift110 | hey | 22:02 |
| IronY | Amazon just brought me a shit ton of candy | 22:03 |
| IronY | thanks amazon | 22:03 |
| bin_bash | LjL: it's a blacklight then | 22:03 |
| bin_bash | uva | 22:03 |
| IronY | I have a UV pot lamp (LED array) | 22:04 |
| LjL | bin_bash, it emits some visible light too | 22:04 |
| IronY | was thinking of mounting it under my cupboards / above kitchen counter | 22:04 |
| IronY | if only for added sterilization | 22:04 |
| LjL | and that won't be harmful when you're around? | 22:04 |
| IronY | as in damage the cupboards? | 22:05 |
| bin_bash | LjL: it maybe be very harmful | 22:05 |
| LjL | IronY, as in damage to your skin and/or yees | 22:06 |
| LjL | eyes | 22:06 |
| IronY | the amount of uv this puts off is less damaging then going outside | 22:06 |
| IronY | also LED lights are safer at providing D3 then our sun | 22:06 |
| IronY | https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170913193101.htm | 22:06 |
| LjL | but also our pupils contract when they see sunlight | 22:08 |
| LjL | they don't contract for light they can see (but which could still damage them) | 22:08 |
| IronY | Oh I have no plans at staring at it | 22:09 |
| IronY | but it would offer a little sterlization in the kitchen | 22:09 |
| IronY | would also act as a deterent | 22:09 |
| LjL | "skin samples exposed to RayVio's UV LED for just 0.52 minutes produced more than twice as much vitamin D3 as samples exposed to 32.5 minutes of sunlight" | 22:09 |
| IronY | would u break in to the one house that looks like day time inside | 22:09 |
| LjL | that sounds good for D3 but potentially bad in terms of what's going on with that skin | 22:09 |
| IronY | LjL: I am a person who has been in a dark basement for most of the last few years | 22:09 |
| IronY | I figure I got a buffer on uv exposure at this point ;) | 22:10 |
| IronY | %data us | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, US, there are 120076 cases, 1993 deaths (1.7% of cases), 3229 recoveries as of March 28, 21:01Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:10 |
| IronY | %data italy | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, Italy, there are 92472 cases, 10023 deaths (10.8% of cases), 12384 recoveries as of March 28, 21:01Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 22:11 |
| LjL | IronY, i don't really know the specifics and python476 probably researched this a lot more, but i know that some UV lights that are used for sterilization / disinfection are extremely harmful to humans even with short exposure times | 22:11 |
| IronY | Oh I see the disconnect | 22:11 |
| IronY | this is not meant for sterlization | 22:11 |
| IronY | it is just a 60 dollar pot lamp | 22:11 |
| IronY | but any additional heat + uv on that surface would help | 22:11 |
| LjL | ah | 22:11 |
| IronY | This is like 'I am outside on a slightly overcast day' levels of uv | 22:12 |
| IronY | not 'I am standing next to the sun' kinda uv | 22:12 |
| IronY | I would not use this as a reliable way to steralize anything | 22:12 |
| IronY | I just have it and it is sitting there not being used | 22:12 |
| IronY | So I figured if anything it be a neat project | 22:12 |
| LjL | fair enough | 22:13 |
| LjL | what python was describing does seem to have studies about it trying to show safety and efficacy | 22:13 |
| LjL | far UVC, that is | 22:13 |
| LjL | i'd still feel a little uneasy i guess | 22:14 |
| IronY | I looked into the UVC thing | 22:14 |
| IronY | thing is, at this point, I would be skeptical purchasing anything that claims to fight covid19 | 22:14 |
| IronY | if only because if it did actually work, I would suspect it to not be available for purchase | 22:14 |
| LjL | yeah | 22:14 |
| LjL | although i manage to buy an oxygen concentrator \o/ | 22:14 |
| LjL | probably not even CE marked | 22:14 |
| LjL | but if it explodes and kills me, i'll definitely call Amazon about it | 22:15 |
| IronY | LOOL | 22:15 |
| IronY | not at ur death, but your postmortem phone call | 22:15 |
| IronY | My dog just got 8 months of dog toys at the same time | 22:16 |
| LjL | i should probably not gloat just yet anyway, they have not shipped it yet | 22:16 |
| LjL | still in time to tell me "whoops, sorry, we don't actually have it in stock" | 22:16 |
| IronY | I just realized covid19 + self isolation will probably have a negative death count in most countries | 22:18 |
| IronY | Car accidents have a estimated global body count of 1.25 million a day | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +428 cases (now 658554), +11 deaths (now 30447) 🔸 US: +266 cases (now 120204), +5 deaths (now 1996) 🔹 Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 696), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Angola: +1 cases (now 5) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 18) [... want %more?] | 22:20 |
| jiffe | IronY: except everyone is sitting on their ass watching tv and eating crappy food because that's all that's left on the shelves so more cardiovascular deaths | 22:22 |
| IronY | jiffe: You just summarized a normal day in western groceries | 22:22 |
| jiffe | hah | 22:23 |
| hirogen | <IronY> Car accidents have a estimated global body count of 1.25 million a day ? | 22:24 |
| hirogen | DEATHJS | 22:24 |
| hirogen | DEATHS | 22:24 |
| IronY | yep | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump weighs NY quarantine, CDC warns against misusing chloroquine — from r/WorldNews at 21:18: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 22:24 |
| IronY | that does not include injuries/crippling | 22:24 |
| IronY | straight up 1.25 mil deaths | 22:24 |
| IronY | I mean | 22:24 |
| IronY | I have personally seen someone die in a car accident | 22:24 |
| oxapentane | 14.5 every second | 22:24 |
| oxapentane | That's fast | 22:25 |
| IronY | oxapentane: https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/ | 22:26 |
| oxapentane | For some reason now I have a picture of minivans full of people running off the cliff. Wile E. Coyote style | 22:26 |
| oxapentane | "Nearly 1.25 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day." | 22:27 |
| IronY | shit my bad, let me correc thtat | 22:27 |
| oxapentane | year is not a day, or I'm going mad completely? | 22:27 |
| IronY | %data world | 22:28 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In all areas, World, there are 658554 cases, 30447 deaths (4.6% of cases), 141419 recoveries as of March 28, 21:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 22:28 |
| IronY | Is there a way to get death differential per day LjL | 22:28 |
| LjL | no, it doesn't really have any memory | 22:29 |
| IronY | I like this driving stat | 22:30 |
| IronY | if I cannot scare 20 year olds that covid will get em | 22:30 |
| IronY | I can prove that not driving is going to save them (15-44) is the median age of car accident casualties | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:23 UTC: (news): Trump is considering 'enforceable' quarantine on New York, New Jersey and parts of Connecticut — from r/WorldNews at 21:23: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/tNCHzp | 22:30 |
| IronY | I was a pedestrian in a car vs pedestrians when I was 15 | 22:30 |
| IronY | I had a 1/4 chance of dying that night | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump weighs NY quarantine, CDC warns against misusing chloroquine — from r/WorldNews at 21:38: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 22:43 |
| oriba | Interesting video on lockdown and (un)successful countries: How To Tell If We're Beating COVID-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XLXg4fYsc | 22:46 |
| Timvde | "weighs" NY quarantine | 22:47 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Spain: +221 cases (now 72469), +14 deaths (now 5826) 🔹 Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 696), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Angola: +1 cases (now 5) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 18) 🔹 Arizona, US: +108 cases (now 773), +2 deaths (now 15) [... want %more?] | 22:50 |
| Timvde | oriba: nice video indeed | 22:53 |
| Timvde | I'm a fan of minutephysics too :) | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:56 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Cohn su Twitter: "Not much else to do, so here's confirmed COVID cases per million by county. Obviously subject to varying testing, and small pop areas can be noisy. Still, ski towns and a few clusters in the inland South stand out a bit by this measure.… https://t.co/waEOe4p4kB" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GqSO6P | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1198 cases (now 659894), +168 deaths (now 30633) 🔸 Washington, US: +294 cases (now 4017), +11 deaths (now 186) 🔸 US: +325 cases (now 120529), +11 deaths (now 2008) 🔸 Spain: +763 cases (now 73232), +156 deaths (now 5982) 🔹 Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 696), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) [... want %more?] | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:03 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Daily update on United States data from the Covid Tracking Project reports the following one day % changes: — from r/WorldNews at 22:03: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/cV1PVk | 23:10 |
| paulo_ | my roommate however was getting panic/anxiety attacks | 23:11 |
| paulo_ | HR called me in the middle of the night asking me to help calm down my roommate (me & roommate works in the same company) | 23:12 |
| paulo_ | he was legit panicking, thinking he has the virus. he was even packing his bags | 23:12 |
| bin_bash | wtf | 23:12 |
| bin_bash | that's extremely messed up of them to ask you that | 23:12 |
| paulo_ | bin_bash: you really think so? it's just talking down the roommate | 23:14 |
| _io_ | I made a room for not talking about Covid-19 can I advertise it here please? | 23:15 |
| paulo_ | _io_: i'm interested | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: France death toll passes 2,000 while 90,000 cases confirmed in Italy — from r/WorldNews at 22:08: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/VmuicT | 23:16 |
| bin_bash | paulo_: their mental state is not your responsibility, and it's extremely inappropraite for you to be put in that position | 23:16 |
| paulo_ | okay, thanks | 23:17 |
| paulo_ | i'll take note of that next time | 23:17 |
| paulo_ | me & roommate are friends though | 23:17 |
| paulo_ | but you are right, it's not appropriate if it goes through HR | 23:18 |
| paulo_ | i'd help if it came from roommate directly | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +518 cases (now 660412), +13 deaths (now 30646), +44 recoveries (now 141463) 🔸 US: +514 cases (now 121043), +12 deaths (now 2020), +2 recoveries (now 3231) 🔸 Florida, US: +275 cases (now 4038), +2 deaths (now 56) 🔸 Connecticut, US: +233 cases (now 1524), +6 deaths (now 33) 🔹 Alabama, US: +52 cases (now 696), +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 23:20 |
| paulo_ | _io_: what's the room name? | 23:21 |
| Timvde | Maybe they're just worried about him? | 23:21 |
| Timvde | Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me | 23:21 |
| paulo_ | #not-covid-19 ? | 23:21 |
| _io_ | ##moratorium | 23:21 |
| paulo_ | isn't that where they burn dead bodies? | 23:22 |
| paulo_ | sorry, that's a crematorium | 23:22 |
| _io_ | surr | 23:22 |
| _io_ | and they store dead bodies In mortuary | 23:22 |
| _io_ | but ##moratorium is about Fun. | 23:23 |
| aradesh | i wonder, is italy still allowing planes and travel in and out of its country like normal? | 23:23 |
| LjL | aradesh, not really | 23:23 |
| aradesh | as far as i know, the UK is | 23:23 |
| LjL | there are probably some planes still | 23:24 |
| LjL | but we can't go anywhere, including very near our homes, unless we can state a valid reason | 23:24 |
| LjL | and police definitely check stations and airports for those | 23:24 |
| LjL | (they also check people randomly in the streets) | 23:24 |
| LjL | so if you are like originally british and you have to go back, that's probably allowed, if you find a flight | 23:24 |
| aradesh | ah | 23:24 |
| LjL | but i certainly can't go to london because i want to take pictures of the queen | 23:24 |
| paulo_ | LjL: what's non-original british? | 23:25 |
| aradesh | i've still seen a few planes flying over my house... | 23:25 |
| LjL | paulo_, i mean if you are in italy but are a british citizen | 23:25 |
| aradesh | LjL: you can't do that anyway, she's in hiding in windsor castle | 23:25 |
| LjL | aradesh, she'd better | 23:25 |
| paulo_ | how old is she? 94? | 23:25 |
| aradesh | yeah something like that | 23:25 |
| paulo_ | her husband is 98 | 23:25 |
| aradesh | did you hear that her son got the virus? | 23:26 |
| aradesh | prince charles | 23:26 |
| paulo_ | was even in a car accident last year | 23:26 |
| LjL | ugh tv is just showing a PSA | 23:26 |
| LjL | literally says | 23:26 |
| LjL | DO NOT go outside to run | 23:26 |
| aradesh | PSA? | 23:26 |
| LjL | DO NOT take a walk | 23:26 |
| LjL | Risk of infecting others is too high | 23:26 |
| LjL | aradesh, public service announcement | 23:26 |
| aradesh | why 'ugh' ? | 23:26 |
| LjL | dunno what you call that in britain, this is probably an american term | 23:26 |
| LjL | aradesh, because i just had a walk earlier :P | 23:26 |
| paulo_ | aradesh: Prostate-specific antigen | 23:26 |
| aradesh | nah we say 'public service announcement' i just wasn't familiar with the acronym | 23:27 |
| LjL | aradesh, also i'm not convinced a walk away from people is more dangerous than... queuing for two hours in front of a supermarket | 23:27 |
| LjL | i do realize food is required | 23:27 |
| aradesh | so does that mean italy has increased its restrictions? | 23:27 |
| LjL | but when a journalist asked if the goevvrnment could consider universal deliveries, the civil protection guy was like NO, absolutely impossible | 23:27 |
| aradesh | here they say we can go for a walk, run, or bicycle ride for exercise, once a day | 23:27 |
| LjL | well then i think you're resigning yourself to having everyone infected anyway | 23:27 |
| LjL | not much flattening of the curve when there is still a place where people are at extremely high risk of infection | 23:28 |
| aradesh | i.e., shops? | 23:28 |
| aradesh | how have they dealt with it in places like japan, korea, china? | 23:28 |
| aradesh | where they've had relative success? | 23:28 |
| LjL | aradesh, the latest rule here is that you can do it within 300 meters (or 500 meters, i don't know, i've heard more than one thing) of your home | 23:28 |
| aradesh | were people abel to shop by themselves? | 23:28 |
| LjL | but TV just said "don't" | 23:28 |
| LjL | aradesh, Korea hasn't locked down at all i think | 23:28 |
| LjL | just aggressive contact tracing | 23:28 |
| aradesh | nice | 23:29 |
| LjL | china, in Wuhan i believe it's all food delivery now | 23:29 |
| LjL | people will probably get a little thinner i suspet | 23:29 |
| LjL | i don't believe they can just go to a website and pick their food | 23:29 |
| aradesh | though they are managing to relax things in wuhan now, i hear | 23:29 |
| LjL | they'll have rations of things, and not often | 23:29 |
| aradesh | talking about opening schools again | 23:29 |
| LjL | yeah, apparently | 23:29 |
| LjL | we'll see | 23:29 |
| LjL | opening school is big | 23:29 |
| aradesh | that's good news no? | 23:29 |
| LjL | i don't know | 23:29 |
| LjL | it depends on what we'll see about their numbers in the coming day | 23:29 |
| LjL | day | 23:29 |
| LjL | daysssss | 23:30 |
| aradesh | well if they abandon the idea quickly, we'll find out if it's a good idea or not :P | 23:30 |
| LjL | i think reopening schools shouldn't be THE priority | 23:30 |
| LjL | it may be a rather big vector | 23:30 |
| LjL | even though children themselves rarely get sick | 23:30 |
| LjL | at the same time, any part of these lockdowns are heavily affecting some people | 23:30 |
| LjL | i wouldn't want to be a politician handling this | 23:31 |
| LjL | and it's easier to criticize them than to be there doing it | 23:31 |
| LjL | but they can still be criticized :P | 23:31 |
| oxalis | what's new since last monday morning, besides everything just getting gradually worse? | 23:31 |
| LjL | well, Africa and India are now meaningfully infected and/or in lockdown | 23:32 |
| LjL | that will be something very bad that i suspect most people in the west will try to ignore | 23:32 |
| LjL | not like we can't do much of anything else | 23:32 |
| oxalis | India is a huge deal. | 23:32 |
| LjL | yeah | 23:32 |
| oxalis | Lots of people in close quarters with questionable public health standards | 23:32 |
| LjL | there are places in india which are extremely densely populated, and i don't believe healthcare is up to par with just about anything | 23:32 |
| LjL | although they stopped an earlier epidemic that could have become real bad | 23:33 |
| LjL | they very quickly figured out what it was | 23:33 |
| LjL | something that didn't happen in Wuhan | 23:33 |
| oxalis | Africa isn't good news, but TBF, I think they'll handle this better than India because they're more spread out | 23:33 |
| LjL | or if it did happen, then some politician made it not-happen | 23:33 |
| LjL | eh i'm not sure about that | 23:33 |
| LjL | %wik Virus (2019 film) | 23:34 |
| aradesh | i'd expect it to spread slowly in africa because there's probably less travel? | 23:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Virus is a 2019 Indian Malayalam-language medical thriller film co-produced and directed by Aashiq Abu set in backdrop of the 2018 Nipah virus outbreak in Kerala. The film was written by Muhsin Parari, Sharfu, and Suhas. It stars an ensemble cast that includes Kunchacko Boban, Asif Ali, Parvathy [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus_(2019_film) | 23:34 |
| LjL | aradesh, it's already confirmed in almost all african countries | 23:34 |
| LjL | 47 out of 50 i think | 23:34 |
| oxalis | well - when I say "handle this" I'm not referring to their response, but how well they weather the storm, so-to-speak | 23:34 |
| aradesh | but youv'e also got travel within the countries | 23:34 |
| LjL | oxalis, Africa has densely populated places too, and many parts have virtually no healthcare | 23:34 |
| aradesh | i imagine there are a lot of people in those countries who don't really go very far | 23:35 |
| aradesh | whereas in the 1st world, people travel around all the time | 23:35 |
| LjL | aradesh, but if the population is dense they will just infect everyone in a big wave | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Austria: +241 cases (now 8271) 🔹 Alabama, US: +58 cases (now 702), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Angola: +1 cases (now 5) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 18) 🔹 Arizona, US: +108 cases (now 773), +2 deaths (now 15) [... want %more?] | 23:35 |
| aradesh | yeah in those areas... | 23:35 |
| LjL | aradesh, imagine domino | 23:35 |
| LjL | i've watched this simulation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs | 23:36 |
| _io_ | hi I made a room for talking about things other than Covid19 it's called ##moratorium may I please advertise it here? | 23:36 |
| LjL | %title | 23:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.youtube.com: Simulating an epidemic - YouTube | 23:36 |
| oxalis | Need to change Brainstorm's script | 23:36 |
| Bluebird3030 | oxalis, India 933 cases confirmed. Portugal 5,170. India so far it's not a huge deal | 23:36 |
| LjL | it shows various simplified possible situations | 23:36 |
| LjL | _io_, you have just done that i guess... what do you mean by "advertise" exactly? | 23:36 |
| LjL | Bluebird3030, that means they haven't tested, not that they have 933 cases | 23:36 |
| LjL | oxalis, what do i need to change? | 23:36 |
| Bluebird3030 | LjL, According to Coronavirus map they have | 23:37 |
| oxalis | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8R2QdbIB/ | 23:37 |
| oxalis | LjL: ^ | 23:37 |
| _io_ | LjL: basically just to mention it once in a while! maybe with colors like are you alittle fatigued by wallto | 23:39 |
| _io_ | wall corona virus coverage? Do u need a vacay from COVID?? you are invited to ##moratorium , where we talk exclusively about other things! | 23:39 |
| _io_ | wait that was supposed to have colors | 23:39 |
| _io_ | well you get the point tho. | 23:39 |
| LjL | _io_, i... don't think i can say yes to that | 23:40 |
| LjL | i don't even know how this channel got nearly 500 people | 23:40 |
| LjL | but i've practically never mentioned it anywhere | 23:40 |
| LjL | i've sometimes mentioned it in ##science when the topic came up | 23:40 |
| _io_ | okay. | 23:40 |
| _io_ | no problem no hard feelings maybe I'll come up with like a better proposal | 23:41 |
| _io_ | with colors And stuff | 23:41 |
| _io_ | tomorrow | 23:41 |
| LjL | some people put a channel name in their realname field if they want others to know about it | 23:41 |
| _io_ | oh that is good I'll try that ty | 23:41 |
| LjL | it's really... not about colors, or rather, colors definitely make it worse in my mind :P | 23:41 |
| _io_ | hum | 23:41 |
| bin_bash | _io_: advertising other channels is generally against the rules | 23:41 |
| _io_ | well that's why I asked. | 23:42 |
| bin_bash | it's a violation of irc etiquette in general, just fyi | 23:42 |
| _io_ | this one would definitely not be competing for users. | 23:42 |
| _io_ | usually it's considered sniping users | 23:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY Gov balks at federal quarantine talk, CDC warns on chloroquine — from r/WorldNews at 22:39: Livethread IX: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Vp8DA | 23:42 |
| _io_ | but due to the specific topic, there would hypothetically be zero overlap | 23:42 |
| LjL | _io_, that's why i've never mentioned this channel in ##coronavirus but even if you aren't "competing for users" it's really nothing to do with the topic and something particularly visible with colors and stuff would make it... literally an ad | 23:43 |
| LjL | you generally pay for ads | 23:43 |
| LjL | do you want to pay me for each ad message? :P | 23:43 |
| oxalis | %djia | 23:43 |
| _io_ | no I hope your not taking payments for allowing people to break rules!! | 23:43 |
| LjL | well there are no rules, i make the rules, really, but, i don't like ads in general | 23:45 |
| LjL | i don't have ads on my youtube videos | 23:45 |
| LjL | i block ads in my browsers | 23:45 |
| LjL | i would be somewhat hypocritical if i accepted money for ads | 23:45 |
| LjL | but at the same time that does mean i don't like to see ads | 23:46 |
| LjL | i do believe most channels on freenode also have rules against this, or otherwise disallow it. but every channel can have its own rules, so that's not a concern to me. i just... agree with that rule, i guess | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +295 cases (now 660816), +4 deaths (now 30651) 🔸 Washington, US: +293 cases (now 4310), +3 deaths (now 189) 🔸 US: +293 cases (now 121359), +4 deaths (now 2024) 🔹 Alabama, US: +58 cases (now 702), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Algeria: +45 cases (now 454), +3 deaths (now 29), +2 recoveries (now 31) 🔹 Andorra: +41 cases (now 308) 🔹 Angola: +1 cases (now 5) [... want %more?] | 23:50 |
| oxalis | Does anyone in Angola want more? | 23:52 |
| aradesh | the UK has yet to see any benefits at all from its lockdown efforts in its spread rates | 23:53 |
| aradesh | maybe in a few more days it'll slow up a little? | 23:54 |
| Birrosso | Why are people not using ad-blockers in 2020? | 23:55 |
| kreyren | Czech republic is tracking it's citizens through cell phones about possible contact with infected person, if person who is confirmed to have covid-19 infection and is in contact with other citizen that might know about it then government informs that citizen about contact with further informations for prevention | 23:58 |
| kreyren | Currently being tested in south moravian region | 23:58 |
| tinwhiskers | FWIW, the individual US states are now working again on offloop.net | 23:59 |
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