| python476 | dont worry it's a fantasy nazi tab | 00:03 |
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| python476 | i call it my tiny fantazi | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:57 UTC: ljl-covid: Add France maps — from r/WorldNews at 21:57: 13 year old boy from London dies from Covid-19 after 5 days in hospital with no underlying health issues. → https://is.gd/zK4iQh | 00:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Hadn't seen this one before: Nafamostat mesylate (brand name: Fusan), which is the drug used to treat acute pancreatitis, may effectively block the requisite viral entry process the new coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) uses to spread and cause disease (COVID-19). The University of Tokyo announced these new findings on March 18, 2020. (https://www.u-tokyo.ac.jp/focus/en/articles/z0508_00083.html) | 00:06 |
| tinwhiskers | hey blkshp. How's things in the UK? | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:07 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Jamie Dupree su Twitter: "WASHINGTON (AP) - White House projects 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in US from coronavirus pandemic if social distancing maintained." — from r/WorldNews at 22:07: Mountain goats take over Welsh town in coronavirus lockdown → https://is.gd/HhFQw1 | 00:10 |
| Scarecr0w | Hold up, if social distancing maintained? and still that high? damn | 00:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:09 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump predicts 'a very tough two weeks': Amazon fires worker who led New York warehouse strike Detroit: America’s next Covid-19 hotspot prepares for surge CNN’s Chris Cuomo diagnosed with coronavirus See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3tan2f | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:17 UTC: (news): Trump says the coronavirus surge is coming: It's going to be a 'very, very painful two weeks' — from r/WorldNews at 22:17: Mountain goats take over Welsh town in coronavirus lockdown → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 00:22 |
| xionbox[m] | Oh my, he isn't lying for once :-o | 00:26 |
| Scarecr0w | xionbox[m]: Forgive me for asking, what does [m] mean on your nickname? | 00:27 |
| xionbox[m] | Scarecr0w: hmm not sure. Are you on Freenode IRC ? I'm using Matrix.org + Riot, so maybe that's it? | 00:28 |
| Scarecr0w | xionbox[m]: I see, so [m] could mean Matrix. I'm on freenode and i've noticed many users have [m] but never bothered asking. Thank you! | 00:29 |
| xionbox[m] | Scarecr0w: you're welcome. Matrix is pretty fun if you want to try it out ;-) | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +3881 cases (now 858239), +24 deaths (now 42035), +2 recoveries (now 176907) — US: +514 cases (now 185673), +15 deaths (now 3788) — Israel: +3027 cases (now 8385) | 00:37 |
| PlanckWalk | It's sad how health officials deny people tests due to no link with a confirmed case, then a week or so later test them in hospital. They then order extended testing in that particular area and find a bunch of cases and call it a "localized cluster". | 00:38 |
| PlanckWalk | If they did extended testing on any area, I bet they'd find a "localized cluster". | 00:38 |
| python476 | kindly approaching 1M | 00:41 |
| Timvde | Oh, if we're sharing maps, here's Flanders: https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/NtWNV/4/ | 00:41 |
| Timvde | No, I don't know why they didn't include the entire country | 00:41 |
| Timvde | Probably to make the schism between north and south larger or something | 00:42 |
| Timvde | The numbers 1-5 are in "x per 1000 people" | 00:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:42 UTC: White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus: President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a surge in coronavirus cases, saying the U.S. is facing a "very, very painful two weeks." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: death toll rises to 20 as pop-up clinic established in Bondi – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 22:54: 6 feet enough for social distancing? MIT researcher says droplets carrying coronavirus can travel up to 27 feet → https://is.gd/YLSAoC | 01:04 |
| Hoogvlieger | Nederland: https://www.rivm.nl/actuele-informatie-over-coronavirus | 01:08 |
| AmedioYyo70 | Hi, I am in Spain. We have a lot of problems. Not enough doctors. Could use forsythia to prevent disease just like in the movie? | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:04 UTC: White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus: President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a surge in coronavirus cases, saying the U.S. is facing a "very, very painful two weeks." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 01:10 |
| AmedioYyo70 | Thank to everyone. sorry to bother. Goodnight. | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:09 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Coronavirus: India's race to build a low-cost ventilator to save Covid-19 patients - BBC News — from r/WorldNews at 23:09: Coronavirus: Israeli settlers exploit lockdown to annex Palestinian land → https://is.gd/t7sMze | 01:16 |
| python476 | I'm wondering if | 01:21 |
| python476 | people were struggling with issues (thoughts) before covid | 01:22 |
| python476 | and now only care about covid | 01:22 |
| python476 | meaning, how much of our problems are relative | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for US: +1607 cases (now 187280), +62 deaths (now 3850), +114 recoveries (now 6461) — California, US: +801 cases (now 8254), +25 deaths (now 174) — Arkansas, US: +15 cases (now 523), +1 deaths (now 8) | 01:22 |
| oriba | some problems from before will now be wven more a problem... for example fear to lose job | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: rise in Italy, US and France deaths takes global confirmed toll past 40,000 — from r/WorldNews at 23:15: Coronavirus: Israeli settlers exploit lockdown to annex Palestinian land → https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx | 01:23 |
| python476 | "Condom shortage looms after coronavirus lockdown shuts world's top producer" | 01:23 |
| python476 | oriba: good point | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:26 UTC: White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus: President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a surge in coronavirus cases, saying the U.S. is facing a "very, very painful two weeks." — from r/WorldNews at 23:26: Coronavirus the worst global crisis since WW II, says UN chief → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 01:29 |
| LjL | python476, so now we'll also have a number of STD pandemics? | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: death toll rises to 20 as pop-up clinic established in Bondi – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 23:29: With world busy fighting coronavirus, China quietly builds installations on Philippine-claimed reefs → https://is.gd/YLSAoC | 01:40 |
| python476 | LjL: or maybe some govt will add condoms to list of basic necessities | 01:42 |
| LjL | Timvde, i am adding more local maps to the resources page but that's where i draw the line | 01:42 |
| LjL | ONE BELGIUM OR NOTHING | 01:42 |
| python476 | (especially if you confine people at home ~_~) | 01:42 |
| LjL | :P | 01:42 |
| python476 | the lack of thinking | 01:42 |
| Timvde | LjL: I agree with you, fwiw ;) | 01:43 |
| Timvde | But bedtime now | 01:43 |
| LjL | python476, at least they thought about informing people on safe sex during the pandemic, as i'm sure everybody has seen that tweet by now | 01:43 |
| LjL | Timvde, bonne nuit | 01:43 |
| Timvde | Never said I agreed with speaking French though... | 01:44 |
| LjL | :D | 01:44 |
| LjL | goed nacht? | 01:44 |
| LjL | or something | 01:44 |
| Timvde | Goede* | 01:44 |
| LjL | pff gender | 01:44 |
| Timvde | Yes :) | 01:44 |
| Timvde | Although most people couldn't tell you the gender of a word if they wanted to | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:41 UTC: White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus: President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a surge in coronavirus cases, saying the U.S. is facing a "very, very painful two weeks." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 01:46 |
| Timvde | It's kinda subtle | 01:46 |
| LjL | Timvde, i know, it's basically undergoing a transformation like swedish, from a three-gender system to a common-vs-neuter system | 01:47 |
| LjL | it's not like i can speak things but i know the linguistics of it ;) | 01:47 |
| LjL | but for now i guess there are a few things where i can still get the gender wrong | 01:48 |
| Timvde | Anyway, bye | 01:48 |
| LjL | byebye nini | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:43 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Donald Trump predicts 'a very, very painful two weeks': Amazon fires worker who led New York warehouse strike Detroit: America’s next Covid-19 hotspot prepares for surge CNN’s Chris Cuomo diagnosed with coronavirus See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3tan2f | 01:52 |
| pyna | tired of winning | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:49 UTC: White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus: President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a surge in coronavirus cases, saying the U.S. is facing a "very, very painful two weeks." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 01:58 |
| Albright | On top of everything else, we just had a major earthquake in the Boise area, not an area known for earthquakes. Had to be at least a 5. My place is fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did some damage to less-reinforced buildings. | 01:59 |
| LjL | Albright, yep | 02:00 |
| LjL | not sure if a 5, but i definitely got many tweets about it | 02:01 |
| LjL | several from Boise | 02:01 |
| LjL | Albright, https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot/status/1245137204160192512 | 02:01 |
| LjL | %title | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: Brainstorm su Twitter: "❗ EARTHQUAKE WARNING for Western Idaho — follow for updates (Twitter)" | 02:01 |
| LjL | for now i have this guess | 02:01 |
| LjL | ❔ M5+ estimated tremor, registered by scevent, with 34 reports, 1 early, possibly occurred 7 minutes ago (23:52:31 UTC), during daytime, Idaho, United States of America (44.26, -115.47) ± 39 km, ↓5 km likely felt 130 km away (in Boise, Meridian…) by 333000 people — Webcams: https://is.gd/YaK91Z https://is.gd/1feM62 https://is.gd/9G4iqF (renass.unistra.fr) | 02:01 |
| LjL | Albright, 6.0 | 02:02 |
| LjL | this is... unusual? | 02:02 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> 🌎 Earthquake! 6.0 M tremor, registered by GFZ,scevent, with 34 reports, 2 early, occurred 9 minutes ago (23:52:31 UTC), during daytime, Idaho, United States of America (44.6, -115.03) ± 5 km, ↓4 km likely felt 180 km away — Webcams: https://is.gd/YaK91Z https://is.gd/1feM62 https://is.gd/VVX7D9 (seismicportal.eu) | 02:02 |
| Albright | LjL: For this area, very | 02:03 |
| LjL | Albright, 6.0 is definitely damaging if there's people at the epicenter | 02:04 |
| LjL | i'll have a look at google maps | 02:04 |
| Albright | Yes, I'm a Californian who also lived in Japan, so I know what a "real" earthquake is like… but for this area this was major. | 02:04 |
| LjL | snow everywhere! | 02:04 |
| LjL | Albright, ah, well... even japanese people get kind of unsettled by an M6 | 02:04 |
| ryouma | is m the richter | 02:05 |
| LjL | ryouma, it's the magnitude, originally it was measured in richter, so yeah more or less | 02:05 |
| LjL | it's not the mercalli | 02:05 |
| ryouma | mercalli is the local one? | 02:06 |
| LjL | yes | 02:06 |
| LjL | similar to shindo, but that's only used in japan and korea | 02:06 |
| LjL | Albright, the epicenter is on a "Sheep Mountain" | 02:06 |
| LjL | in a national forest, so i guess not populated at the epicenter | 02:06 |
| LjL | quite far from Boise | 02:07 |
| Albright | Haven't heard of it, but there are a bajillion mountains around here. | 02:07 |
| LjL | good thing Boise wasn't the epicenter | 02:07 |
| LjL | that'd have been nasty | 02:07 |
| Albright | Where are you seeing this? It doesn't seem to be on the USGS site yet. | 02:07 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1416 cases (now 858293), +34 deaths (now 42132), +118 recoveries (now 177140) — US: +892 cases (now 188172), +23 deaths (now 3873) — Quebec, Canada: +732 cases (now 4162), +9 deaths (now 31) | 02:07 |
| LjL | Albright, just from the epicenter that Brainstorm gave... which is obtained from seismicportal.eu which is a site by the EMSC, the european seismological agency | 02:07 |
| LjL | absnc, https://www.google.com/maps/place/44%C2%B036'00.0%22N+115%C2%B001'48.0%22W/@44.0123658,-118.6323094,6.38z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d44.6!4d-115.03 | 02:07 |
| LjL | Albright, ↑ | 02:08 |
| LjL | Salmon-Challis National Forest | 02:08 |
| LjL | https://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=843708 | 02:08 |
| LjL | upped to 6.3 now | 02:08 |
| LjL | USGS should have it by now but it doesn't | 02:09 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: In 40 years, less than 10% of plastic has ever been recycled. PBS/NPR report reveals plastic industry lobbyists knew all along, but pushed recycling propaganda campaigns to sell more plastic. (5317 votes) | 02:12 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.npr.org/2020/03/31/822597631/plastic-wars-three-takeaways-from-the-fight-over-the-future-of-plastics | https://redd.it/fsl7m5 | 02:12 |
| Albright | USGS has it now, they say 6.5: https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us70008jr5/executive | 02:13 |
| LjL | i see | 02:14 |
| LjL | no PAGER yet but i expect green | 02:14 |
| LjL | scary though | 02:14 |
| ryouma | is there going to be a general shortage of everything now? | 02:16 |
| LjL | i don't think so, at least not in the short term | 02:16 |
| LjL | there may be some disruption from things that are no longer being produced in china, or that haven't been for a while | 02:16 |
| LjL | but the supply chain is long, so we may not notice for a while | 02:16 |
| LjL | i'm more worried about the logistics | 02:16 |
| LjL | i.e. *getting* the things that there are | 02:16 |
| LjL | Albright, https://www.reddit.com/r/Earthquakes/comments/fsocvl/western_idaho_earthquake_likely_moderate_at_2352/ | 02:17 |
| LjL | Brainstorm is everywhere ;) | 02:17 |
| Albright | Top comment: "In Arkansas did not feel it" - Okay, thank you for the information | 02:17 |
| Albright | That was definitely longer than 10 seconds. Felt like at least to 30 to me. | 02:18 |
| ryouma | you are in idaho? | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:15 UTC: /u/SuitingUncle620: New Zealand COVID-19 Updates: — from r/WorldNews at 00:15: China to begin reporting asymptomatic coronavirus cases in its daily tally → https://is.gd/WBRlB8 | 02:18 |
| Albright | ryouma: In Boise, yes. | 02:19 |
| ryouma | i felt one that long too once | 02:19 |
| LjL | Albright, lol, well, "no" is a perfectly valid answer to "did you feel it" questionnaires, so i guess... :P | 02:19 |
| ryouma | but your location might not have building standards that account for earthquakes | 02:20 |
| Albright | ryouma: Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about. | 02:20 |
| Albright | There are some buildings downtown that have a lot of old brickwork too. | 02:20 |
| LjL | well, you can expect aftershocks from a 6.5, but this is far enough from populated areas that hopefully aftershocks are just a bit of additional shaking | 02:21 |
| LjL | Albright, i'll add you to Brainstorm's earthquake notification list if you don't mind (for Boise?) | 02:21 |
| ryouma | italy must have a bunch of earthquakes | 02:21 |
| LjL | ryouma, just many enough to be devastating, but not many enough for us to actually build things made to withstand them | 02:22 |
| Albright | LjL: Okay, I can try it. | 02:22 |
| LjL | %wik 2006 L'Aquila earthquake | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such article found on the English Wikipedia | 02:22 |
| plocki | Hello everybody. If I'd like to support projecst by sharing some CPU Power... what is the best project to support? folding@home, rosetta@home or maby others? suggestions welcome. Thank you. | 02:23 |
| LjL | %geo Boise | 02:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Location not found for Boise. | 02:23 |
| LjL | %geo Boise, Idaho | 02:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, location: Boise, Idaho (43.613, -116.199) ± 7 km. Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1326591644 — https://www.windy.com/webcams/1229967465 — https://www.windy.com/webcams/1169654230 | 02:23 |
| LjL | plocki, either should be okay i guess, i know that folding was out of units to give some users a while ago, so i guess if you don't get work units from folding try rosetta | 02:24 |
| Albright | I can't find my poor cat. She's probably freaking out somewhere. | 02:26 |
| LjL | :( | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! | 02:26 |
| yn | https://blog.ircpuzzles.org/2020/04/2020-april-fools-live/ | 02:26 |
| plocki | LjL: yes i know. with folding you just have to wait. i did contributed 6 WU since yesterday already. i'm just wondering which project is best NOW | 02:26 |
| bin_bash | :( Albright | 02:27 |
| Albright | yn: Looks like base64 | 02:27 |
| yn | :3 | 02:27 |
| yn | maybe? | 02:27 |
| yn | :D | 02:27 |
| Albright | aftershock | 02:28 |
| Albright | yn: "WeDontLetCOVID19RuinAFP" | 02:28 |
| danielp3344 | but not sure what to do with it :P | 02:28 |
| danielp3344 | <Albright "yn: Looks like base64"> it is | 02:28 |
| LjL | i don't think the game is about giving other people the decoded clues :P | 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | LjL: shh | 02:29 |
| danielp3344 | anw I'm not sure how that's a clue? | 02:29 |
| LjL | well you aren't supposed to be sure! | 02:30 |
| LjL | Albright, you'll probably get no aftershock notifications for a bit while 1) i've just restarted the bot and 2) it's probably still being swamped with "there was just an earthquake!" tweets (you'd find it surprising how many different things "just" means to people :D) | 02:30 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Hope for coronavirus sufferers as five critically ill patients are saved in the space of 12 days after being treated with former carriers' blood (5048 votes) | 02:31 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8171059/Five-coronavirus-patients-test-negative-treated-former-patients-blood-China.html | https://redd.it/fscpk7 | 02:31 |
| LjL | Albright, "felt up to Canada", says one source | 02:35 |
| LjL | https://twitter.com/kellyrmcintosh/status/1245140745788329985 | 02:35 |
| Albright | LjL: Yeah, I'm hearing people felt it in the Coeur D'Alene area, which is way up north… wouldn't be surprised if people across the border felt it too. | 02:36 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | it's gotta be pretty painfull if they're running out of fetanyl | 02:40 |
| LjL | Albright, aftershock was 4.8 | 02:42 |
| LjL | having a cold sore means my immune system is fully prepared to beat the virus, right? | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:57 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Shane Harris su Twitter: "New: In the chaos of NYC, where freezer trucks have been turned into morgues, several hospitals have taken the unprecedented step of allowing doctors not to resuscitate people with covid-19. https://t.co/crIqJaK0Qf by @arianaeunjung, @LennyMBernstein, @FrancesSSellers and me" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GLc4us | 03:02 |
| LjL | :\ | 03:03 |
| bin_bash | no it means youre infected by another virus | 03:06 |
| LjL | well i knew that | 03:06 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I'd be interested in getting your earthquake alerts | 03:07 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i'm not going you're ever going to get an early one in Tonga given the likely low number of people tweeting from there, but sure, you can still get the later reports | 03:09 |
| LjL | i'm not going? | 03:09 |
| LjL | i don't think* | 03:09 |
| LjL | or whatever i was thinking i was typing | 03:09 |
| LjL | %geo Tongatapu | 03:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Location not found for Tongatapu. | 03:14 |
| LjL | pfft | 03:14 |
| IronY | Sleeping from 1pm to 9pm is totally normal | 03:14 |
| plocki | I'd realy like to help with cpu/gpu power (I'm an IT-professional with quite some resources... ) but i don't have any idea which project should be suppoerted right now. So... are there some bio/chemical experts in here who can tell me more in-deep about various projects regarding destributed cpg/gpu sharing and stuff? I tried to research this stuff but i'm afraind this is way out of my league. Thank you. | 03:15 |
| IronY | there is one real project u should be doing right now, folding@home | 03:15 |
| IronY | everything else can wait tell later | 03:15 |
| IronY | like finding asteroids | 03:15 |
| IronY | etc | 03:15 |
| yuriwho | plocki: check Brian Soichets lab website to see if he has any distributed computing projects | 03:16 |
| yuriwho | http://www.bkslab.org | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases over 856,900 death toll tops 42,000 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 03:23 |
| plocki | IronY: yea... as from my research (non-expert) i am going on with folding@home (doing this for sime days already) . I'd just like to have this confirmed by some subject-related experts. | 03:29 |
| plocki | yuriwho: do you have any resources as text? I'm a scientist - not really happy with yt videos. but thank you anyway. | 03:30 |
| plocki | * IronY: yea... as from my research (non-expert) i am going on with folding@home (doing this for quite days already) . I'd just like to have this confirmed by some subject-related experts. | 03:31 |
| plocki | * IronY: yea... as from my research (non-expert) i am going on with folding@home (doing this for quite some days already) . I'd just like to have this confirmed by some subject-related experts. | 03:31 |
| LjL | ugh | 03:32 |
| yuriwho | plocki: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/covid-19-distributed-computing-vaccine/ | 03:34 |
| python476 | damn, covidly scores France the same as USA | 03:35 |
| LjL | i think i'd really like to be able to disable editing in Matrix rooms | 03:35 |
| python476 | even though we started quarantining long before .. | 03:35 |
| python476 | LjL is that the reason behind plocki multilines ? | 03:36 |
| LjL | yes | 03:36 |
| python476 | funny | 03:36 |
| LjL | also what is covidly? if i type that into google then google gives me a lot of covid things | 03:36 |
| LjL | but then the actual hits are... nondescript | 03:36 |
| python476 | covidly.com/ | 03:37 |
| LjL | well | 03:37 |
| python476 | yet another world tracker, pretty gentle on the eyes and on your cpu | 03:38 |
| LjL | the fact that isn't the first hit (or a hit at all) on google is... interesting? | 03:38 |
| python476 | yeah .. well google might have trouble sorting all the covid frenzy I guess | 03:39 |
| LjL | many subnational units on this one | 03:39 |
| python476 | noise filter must be retired | 03:39 |
| python476 | LjL yeah it's nicely featured | 03:39 |
| python476 | since plague.com changed into visuals-first I go on covidly | 03:39 |
| LjL | hmm it has the "good" type of trajectory graphs | 03:40 |
| LjL | python476, wasn't plague.com just a shorter link to JHU's tracker before? | 03:40 |
| BruntLIVE | i think the 100k to 250 k death estimate but trump was meant to scare us into compliance | 03:40 |
| python476 | LjL: used to, but they made their own map-first thing | 03:42 |
| LjL | BruntLIVE, doesn't mean it's not true though | 03:42 |
| LjL | well, doesn't mean it's not in line with other estimates, rather | 03:42 |
| LjL | true or not... who knows | 03:42 |
| BruntLIVE | china is the barometer | 03:43 |
| IronY | yuriwho: I was thinking about something u had said about initial viral load being a contributing factor to chances of survival | 03:43 |
| BruntLIVE | whats their count? | 03:43 |
| yuriwho | here’s a good article for how scientists are reacting to the pandemic: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/03/416986/unveiling-how-coronavirus-hijacks-our-cells-help-rush-new-drugs-patients | 03:43 |
| plocki | <LjL "i think i'd really like to be ab"> multilines? I've edited some spelling mistakes and this works perfectly with riot (not riotx). this is not a matrix fail but riotx (or possibly other clients) | 03:44 |
| IronY | yuriwho: theoretically does it not make sense as a option of last humanity resort to expose people voluntarily to said pathogen at minuscle amounts | 03:44 |
| LjL | BruntLIVE, what makes china the barometer? italy has already three times as many deaths as china | 03:44 |
| IronY | like a controlled burn basically | 03:44 |
| LjL | plocki, this is partly/mainly an IRC channel, and the IRC-to-Matrix bridge just repeats your message many times over with a * before it every time you edit | 03:44 |
| python476 | putin's head of covid is positive | 03:44 |
| python476 | may putin enjoys a long bed stay | 03:45 |
| IronY | "China is the barometer" -- Said no one, ever, about any number, ever released from china, in the history of humanity, ever :D | 03:45 |
| yuriwho | IronY: possibly, cant really research that idea ethically | 03:45 |
| plocki | LjL: ok. I C. sorry, didn't noticed | 03:45 |
| LjL | IRC doesn't have editing, and aside from this being a bridging issue, i also think editing realtime chat makes it a bit less than transparent. i was sort of okay with it when Matrix only had removal... | 03:45 |
| plocki | time to switch to matrix. irc is dead anyways P | 03:46 |
| IronY | bye felica! | 03:46 |
| LjL | very much not dead, also very much less than a chore for me to use than matrix, although that likely just means i'm old, but old people chat too | 03:46 |
| IronY | "IRC is dead" - 25 years ago - 20 year ago - 10 years ago - 5 years ago - 1 year ago - here we are | 03:46 |
| IronY | AIM, MSN, ICQ, those are dead, irc is very much still alive | 03:47 |
| python476 | IronY: academia uses China as tainted publication unit | 03:47 |
| BruntLIVE | what is Italy estimate? 1 million? | 03:47 |
| python476 | (jk of course) | 03:47 |
| BruntLIVE | can it spread by licking someones skin? | 03:48 |
| LjL | BruntLIVE, i don't know that we have an estimate, but we *already* have more than 12000 ascertained deaths. now the US is roughly 6x the population of Italy. 72000 isn't very far from 100k-200k | 03:48 |
| LjL | ... quite possibly? | 03:48 |
| LjL | the deaths in Italy aren't about to stop any time soon so if anything i'd guesstimate that 100k-200k is an optimistic estimate for the US, especially with the rather loose restrictions in place | 03:49 |
| BruntLIVE | say if someone licks your forehead, will it spread that way ? | 03:49 |
| plocki | IronY: and it will die some day. because it is OLD! very old! look at matrix to get some fresh ideas. no offence, just saying. sorry if this is OT. | 03:51 |
| IronY | plocki: matrix will die the second matrix 2 comes out, matrix is not 'new' there are plenty of things like matrix, being an evangelist of one technology over all others is a great demonstration of not understanding technology, no offence | 03:52 |
| IronY | plocki: again, you are saying something that everyone said about every other chat technology that ever came out since irc, 99% of those are dead, and here i am , trying to explain this to you on irc | 03:53 |
| LjL | a few people have already gotten tired of previous arguments over Matrix vs IRC. this channel is both, so let's try to just get along and respect each other's choices | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +244 cases (now 858922), +6 deaths (now 42158), +790 recoveries (now 177930) — US: +244 cases (now 188524), +6 deaths (now 3889), +790 recoveries (now 7251) — California, US: +244 cases (now 8498), +6 deaths (now 180) | 03:53 |
| IronY | BruntLIVE: You have to be within 1m of someone to lick their forehead | 03:54 |
| IronY | so yes | 03:54 |
| BruntLIVE | how skin isnt broken | 03:54 |
| IronY | because ur inches from their mouth | 03:54 |
| BruntLIVE | absorbs into skin? or mouth n nose only | 03:54 |
| IronY | absorbs into eyes | 03:54 |
| BruntLIVE | lol | 03:55 |
| IronY | that was not a joke | 03:55 |
| BruntLIVE | if i lick your arm it will not go into eye | 03:55 |
| BruntLIVE | or chest or forehead | 03:55 |
| python476 | what about ears ? | 03:55 |
| python476 | not kidding for once | 03:55 |
| BruntLIVE | ok | 03:56 |
| IronY | python476: No idea but there is no soft tissue in the ears? | 03:56 |
| BruntLIVE | say a chest, if u lick a womans chest, can she get it? | 03:56 |
| IronY | I dont see medical people wearing ear protection | 03:56 |
| IronY | BruntLIVE: If you run around licking people right now your gonna expire from things other than covid :/ | 03:56 |
| BruntLIVE | lol | 03:57 |
| python476 | IronY: maybe it's a matter of geometry, ears are tiny, on the side, smaller hole | 03:57 |
| python476 | I'll google | 03:57 |
| python476 | what about genitals | 03:57 |
| IronY | it is not sexually transmitted | 03:57 |
| IronY | from what I understand | 03:57 |
| python476 | I mean.. ~_~ oral might be a vector | 03:57 |
| Scarecr0w | BruntLIVE: I kinda have a feeling you are asking those questions because you want to have sexy time with your girl but I would say, don't. For now. | 03:57 |
| IronY | oral is probably better off then kissing | 03:57 |
| python476 | IronY: ok, i guess people already searched for this | 03:57 |
| BruntLIVE | if someone licks my nipple will i get it? no, no open holes unless she bites | 03:57 |
| BruntLIVE | are nips porous | 03:58 |
| python476 | if youre having sex with a cannibal covid might be the least of your problem | 03:58 |
| python476 | might even save you | 03:58 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: female nipples do let liquid pass so .. could be | 03:58 |
| python476 | we need to ensure regular hand gel application on nipples | 03:59 |
| BruntLIVE | ok | 03:59 |
| BruntLIVE | lol | 03:59 |
| IronY | if u do not have a sexual partner ur currently living with, ur hand is now ur sexual partner, if you do have a sexual partner ur currently living with, in my opinion, ur already in this together | 03:59 |
| python476 | with complete online video tracking | 03:59 |
| python476 | sorry wrong uh chan | 03:59 |
| plocki | IronY: We will see . Right now - for me - matrix offers me the perfect way to be transparent with almost any other ptotocol. Matrix itself is doing quite some things right IMHO. Again: no offence. it's just my feeling. But it's disturbed now and than by outdated protokolls. and IRC is outdated - no doubt about that. | 03:59 |
| BruntLIVE | python: how do u live? | 03:59 |
| gildarts | IRC will never die. https://xkcd.com/1782/ | 03:59 |
| python476 | with oxygen | 03:59 |
| python476 | IronY: sure, but I'm sure a few teens are hooking up in cars | 04:00 |
| IronY | python476: then we should probably arrest their parents | 04:00 |
| IronY | cannot blame teens | 04:00 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: I'm isolated with two parents, so far nobody is sick | 04:00 |
| IronY | asking teens not to fornicate in stressfull times is a big ask, I get it, I remember being a teen, being away from ur gf for a second was basically the end of the world | 04:01 |
| python476 | gildarts: still fresh | 04:01 |
| IronY | my heart goes out to them :/ | 04:01 |
| Scarecr0w | gildarts: Nice one haha | 04:01 |
| gildarts | There is always an XKCD on point. XD | 04:01 |
| IronY | gildarts: LOL | 04:01 |
| python476 | IronY: heard of the condom companies shutdown causing shortage ? | 04:02 |
| python476 | gildarts: there's an XKCD about that too | 04:02 |
| python476 | the dude is a genius | 04:02 |
| python476 | I hate him | 04:02 |
| IronY | python476: I would suspect condom companies would be tooling more latext glovens out | 04:02 |
| IronY | gloves* | 04:02 |
| python476 | IronY: some of them have shut down apparently | 04:02 |
| Scarecr0w | python476: Bruh, i would just cut the glove's fingers and use it. :D | 04:02 |
| gildarts | (Highly recommend his books if you want some laughs in these hard times) | 04:02 |
| python476 | in any case condoms should still be produced, hospitals and doctors would enjoy not dealing with more STD right now | 04:03 |
| BruntLIVE | u can get STD treatment online | 04:03 |
| BruntLIVE | sent to walgreens | 04:03 |
| BruntLIVE | thats what i heard | 04:03 |
| python476 | god this game of antagonistic distributed operational research is tough | 04:03 |
| plocki | <gildarts "IRC will never die. https://xkcd"> as liek email. but it's old and bad | 04:03 |
| IronY | plocki: You have been asked to stop by an op | 04:04 |
| IronY | so lets drop it | 04:04 |
| LjL | this backscroll is looking a bit ridiculous | 04:04 |
| LjL | and matrix vs irc really isn't the worst part of it | 04:04 |
| python476 | news report : US something bought off some France mask order straight at the airport | 04:04 |
| python476 | basically redirecting the plane through the power of benjamin franklin | 04:04 |
| gildarts | LjL: Sorry, missed your previous statement. | 04:04 |
| LjL | 'sokay | 04:05 |
| plocki | LjL: yes you are right. lets get back to topic. thx | 04:05 |
| Scarecr0w | python476: Got link for that news report, if you don't mind? | 04:05 |
| python476 | Scarecr0w: I may give it to you in exchange for condoms and pasta | 04:06 |
| python476 | it's 2020, barter economy is the new trend | 04:06 |
| IronY | Meanwhile In ottawa canada, all of our community spread just happens to be located in retirement homes | 04:06 |
| Scarecr0w | python476: I can give you condoms but no pasta, only sauce. ;O | 04:06 |
| python476 | garlic sauce ? | 04:06 |
| LjL | i have | 04:07 |
| pokiehl | I'm getting hungry. | 04:07 |
| LjL | 1) hand sanitizer | 04:07 |
| LjL | 2) 5 ffp2 masks | 04:07 |
| LjL | 3) a bidet | 04:07 |
| LjL | what's your offers | 04:07 |
| IronY | 4 bottles of Isoprop, a VR headset, and a promise of infinite toilet paper | 04:07 |
| python476 | Scarecr0w: it's a twitter-vid in French https://twitter.com/Aramisunchained/status/1244991792845553664 | 04:07 |
| Scarecr0w | python476: Thanks. | 04:09 |
| LjL | ahead of you on the VR | 04:10 |
| IronY | LjL: Have you managed to actually use it in the last 2 weeks | 04:10 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/daydream/comments/fpmsgn/what_can_i_still_do_with_my_daydream/fllwdj5/ | 04:10 |
| LjL | IronY, not even tried | 04:10 |
| IronY | I have not even been able to play a game of solitair | 04:10 |
| yuriwho | why wife brought home some HPLC grade isopropanol the other day for me to make some hand sanitizer | 04:10 |
| python476 | yuriwho: irc is asking your gps location | 04:11 |
| python476 | ^_____^;;; | 04:11 |
| IronY | python476: On a serious note though | 04:11 |
| yuriwho | what? | 04:11 |
| LjL | yuriwho, is... non-something-grade actually not safe enough for hand sanitizer? | 04:11 |
| Scarecr0w | yuriwho: Wait, we can't drink that? | 04:11 |
| IronY | everyone, do not advertise ur actual resources to people irl | 04:11 |
| yuriwho | Scarecr0w: no | 04:12 |
| pokiehl | IronY: I can see that become a problem in the future if things don't improve | 04:12 |
| IronY | i generally save all retail boxes of high end electronics for a year due to warranty | 04:12 |
| IronY | I was up for a purge this week | 04:13 |
| IronY | I decided not to advertise my stock pile of high end electronics | 04:13 |
| gildarts | Need a fire pit to handle that kind of thing. | 04:13 |
| IronY | ^ | 04:13 |
| IronY | they just made those illegal | 04:13 |
| IronY | here anyway | 04:13 |
| Scarecr0w | fire pit? | 04:13 |
| gildarts | Interesting. | 04:13 |
| IronY | yeah, not enough resources for the people who fuck up every year and light their shit on fire | 04:13 |
| gildarts | Scarecr0w: Ring of stones/blocks where you can have fires safely. | 04:14 |
| python476 | IronY: I dont understand | 04:14 |
| python476 | you're affraid of burglary ? | 04:15 |
| IronY | python476: That is something we should all be concerned about | 04:15 |
| yuriwho | LjL: the HPLC grade was only because thats what she has access to, any grade will work and none are for drinking | 04:15 |
| IronY | especially in densely populated low income areas | 04:15 |
| LjL | i am up to speed with the (not) drinking part | 04:15 |
| python476 | that's a bit individualist extrapolation | 04:15 |
| python476 | I agree that it's a possibility | 04:15 |
| IronY | python476: I have a human history of crime statistics that say otherwise | 04:15 |
| IronY | re: every thing ever and looting | 04:16 |
| BruntLIVE | python what | 04:16 |
| gildarts | I'm assuming you could use vodka as a quick sterilizer? Local Costco is completely sold out of hand sanitizer, but has a few pallets of vodka. | 04:16 |
| python476 | can't deny that I thought that if we started stashing things in our outside locker people would see and might be tempted | 04:16 |
| IronY | gildarts: 60% of 200 proof is WHO approved on the vodka front | 04:16 |
| LjL | I think, that Germans sometimes don't understand, what the punctuaction rules for English are. At the same time, do Frenchmen ever drop their pre-punctuation spaces ? | 04:16 |
| IronY | or 200 proof* | 04:16 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: in times of crisis people can revert to scared wild animals, or organize | 04:17 |
| python476 | usually those who do the latter survive a lot easier | 04:17 |
| BruntLIVE | vices double | 04:17 |
| python476 | probs are smaller but still | 04:17 |
| LjL | python476, do you mean like people in general, or americans | 04:17 |
| jbjllk | vinager works for cleaning | 04:17 |
| python476 | LjL: it was a generic comment | 04:17 |
| Scarecr0w | 200 proof? damn, seriously? I never knew 80+ proof existed. lol I'm a rookie drinker. | 04:17 |
| python476 | USA for sure have the ethos reflex of reverting to individualism | 04:17 |
| LjL | python476, because like, it may have been all about toilet paper in northern europe, but they certainly seemed to hoard a few weapons in the states | 04:17 |
| python476 | gun sales show that already | 04:17 |
| python476 | yeah | 04:18 |
| IronY | jbjllk: only if it is not diluted | 04:18 |
| jbjllk | moonshine just water suger and yeast | 04:18 |
| python476 | LjL: Also the early hoarding was a bit of a very weak reflex | 04:18 |
| python476 | it didn't go wilder and longer | 04:18 |
| BruntLIVE | python: can u resuscitate your own body? i can | 04:18 |
| IronY | python476: My canadian bank app has a new feature, it tells me my bank account is insured by the gov | 04:18 |
| gildarts | I wonder if the local Costco is still out of toilet paper. | 04:18 |
| python476 | jbjllk: some videos on youtube for the whole process :) | 04:18 |
| IronY | that means people are already thinking of running banks | 04:18 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: I cannot, I can barely restore it for jogging | 04:19 |
| python476 | IronY: ha ? | 04:19 |
| LjL | python476, people only hoarded for a few days in a row here because they'd reflex-hoard every time the PM issues a new emergency law, and he did that like... four days in a row | 04:19 |
| jbjllk | you can make it without the video | 04:19 |
| gildarts | IronY: Man... that would make the economics impact even worse. | 04:19 |
| BruntLIVE | protein shake brings u back | 04:19 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: ha | 04:19 |
| IronY | gildarts: oh heck yeah it would, but that is a real possibility depending on how this goes | 04:19 |
| python476 | I also have electronic spare parts | 04:19 |
| python476 | I can probably build myself a very nice set of stealth tazer | 04:20 |
| jbjllk | unless you want to up the proof leve | 04:20 |
| danielp3344 | I've been building a jet engine in my garage out of random car parts :P | 04:20 |
| python476 | electromagnets and high amp smelters | 04:20 |
| danielp3344 | It's almost done now :D | 04:20 |
| python476 | danielp3344: please | 04:20 |
| python476 | pics us | 04:20 |
| BruntLIVE | python: domo arigato? | 04:20 |
| danielp3344 | python476: wut | 04:20 |
| danielp3344 | you want pictures? | 04:20 |
| python476 | yes | 04:21 |
| danielp3344 | I'll be right back | 04:21 |
| python476 | of course i want to see a homelab jet | 04:21 |
| jbjllk | level | 04:21 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: no I mean I'm not following much here | 04:21 |
| danielp3344 | python476: There are a lot of videos on youtube of similar concepts | 04:21 |
| danielp3344 | search 'turbocharger jet engine' | 04:21 |
| IronY | Anyone know what time amazon prime releases content | 04:21 |
| IronY | as in their streaming service | 04:22 |
| IronY | if it is out on may first, does that mean like 2:00am EST | 04:22 |
| BruntLIVE | python: who are u | 04:22 |
| Scarecr0w | IronY: Which show are you watching or tracking? | 04:22 |
| python476 | BruntLIVE: this is answered on ##psychology | 04:22 |
| IronY | Scarecr0w: there is a new one coming out tomorrow, sec | 04:22 |
| gildarts | Typically midnight California time... or is that netflix? | 04:22 |
| danielp3344 | do you poor souls not use the pirate bay? | 04:22 |
| Scarecr0w | I think it's Netflix that releases near midnight. | 04:23 |
| IronY | danielp3344: no i use an actual torrent site | 04:23 |
| danielp3344 | :C | 04:23 |
| Scarecr0w | LOL | 04:23 |
| IronY | danielp3344: but torrent sites cannot have torrents before the site that has the legit content has content | 04:23 |
| danielp3344 | IronY: well, sometimes there are exceptions | 04:23 |
| IronY | ^ true | 04:23 |
| danielp3344 | but I've found it's generally worth the wait | 04:23 |
| python476 | ok, let's pick colin furze | 04:23 |
| jbjllk | 1337x and zoogle are good | 04:23 |
| danielp3344 | not that I watch much that's less than 30 years old lol | 04:24 |
| python476 | danielp3344: tpb is often offline recently | 04:24 |
| Scarecr0w | I kinda want to flex my plex library but scared lol | 04:24 |
| danielp3344 | Scarecr0w: it's OK, we believe you | 04:24 |
| jbjllk | did you try the tor link for tpb | 04:24 |
| python476 | danielp3344: makes me think, there's a car junkyard behind my house... | 04:24 |
| danielp3344 | python476: you must be the luckiest person in the universe | 04:24 |
| danielp3344 | python476: do you do much with cars? | 04:26 |
| python476 | no I'm a newb | 04:27 |
| python476 | I started scavenging electronics and kitchen appliances | 04:27 |
| danielp3344 | I see | 04:27 |
| python476 | I made a nichrome wire wand to split glass <o/ | 04:28 |
| danielp3344 | cool | 04:28 |
| python476 | 12v atx ftw | 04:28 |
| python476 | yeah I'm starting slow, hopefully I'll improve faster this year | 04:28 |
| danielp3344 | I built a wood gasifier in the first few days of quarantine | 04:28 |
| python476 | mostly I need a hangar/concrete floor | 04:28 |
| python476 | danielp3344: amazing | 04:28 |
| python476 | I wanted to do that too | 04:28 |
| danielp3344 | I remember the last time I left the house was to get high temp silicone | 04:28 |
| python476 | carbon + gas | 04:28 |
| danielp3344 | python476: I've learned a few things | 04:29 |
| python476 | that fire burns ? | 04:29 |
| danielp3344 | don't bother with downdraft gasifiers, they're less efficient and a pain to make work | 04:29 |
| danielp3344 | Also do not use aluminum anywhere | 04:29 |
| danielp3344 | mine must have been at least 900c in the hottest part | 04:30 |
| python476 | so what | 04:30 |
| python476 | free aluminum ingots | 04:30 |
| danielp3344 | python476: well, it melted :P | 04:30 |
| danielp3344 | I had used aluminum rivets and an aluminum grate on the first prototype | 04:30 |
| python476 | heh | 04:30 |
| python476 | starters are always full of fails | 04:30 |
| danielp3344 | I really want to make one large enough to run my truck on someday | 04:30 |
| IronY | grr | 04:31 |
| danielp3344 | python476: oh yeah, one more thing | 04:31 |
| IronY | the show I want is may 1st, not april 1st | 04:31 |
| danielp3344 | if you want to run an engine, a good filter is not optional, I ruined an engine that way | 04:31 |
| IronY | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZfZj2bn_xg | 04:31 |
| danielp3344 | you end up with a ton of tar and soot | 04:31 |
| python476 | danielp3344: I'll try to remember that if I ever make one | 04:32 |
| danielp3344 | python476: galvanized HVAC duct works great | 04:32 |
| danielp3344 | My most successful one was a piece of that stuck in a 4 gallon metal bucket with a lid | 04:33 |
| danielp3344 | It also seems to work well to put about an inch of water in the bottom of the bucket to prevent ignition of gas by falling coals | 04:34 |
| danielp3344 | There were a lot of explosions while I was testing | 04:34 |
| danielp3344 | One of my eyebrows still hasn't grown back %100 | 04:34 |
| python476 | danielp3344: pics bruh ! | 04:36 |
| danielp3344 | nah | 04:36 |
| python476 | boo | 04:36 |
| berndj | this is weird: germany has more *recoveries* than italy. is this likely to be just another manifestation of the "it's the aggressive testing" hypothesis? | 04:36 |
| berndj | danielp3344, it won't stay galvanized for long at 900°C! | 04:37 |
| IronY | In these troubled times, lets all be glad we have the onion lol https://politics.theonion.com/trump-delays-easter-to-july-15-to-keep-promise-on-coron-1842566559 | 04:37 |
| python476 | good onion | 04:38 |
| jbjllk | genie code modified germans | 04:38 |
| danielp3344 | berndj: but with any luck it wont melt | 04:39 |
| danielp3344 | also the upper parts will remain galvanized and still prevent corrosion | 04:39 |
| python476 | 'night | 04:43 |
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| iz | berndj: can't recover if you die | 04:49 |
| berndj | iz, right, but this seems to exclude the explanation that germany is just time-shifted behind italy?? | 04:50 |
| iz | i don't think it's just time shifted, italy has a much higher death percentage | 04:50 |
| berndj | yeah, and germany's seems anomalously low | 04:51 |
| alice8 | i bet germans are just following the rules really well | 04:51 |
| iz | %cases germany | 04:51 |
| Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, Germany, there are 71808 cases, 775 deaths (1.1% of cases), 16100 recoveries as of April 01, 02:06Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:51 |
| iz | hmm.. idk, the only theory i have is italy ran out of hospital space/ventilators | 04:52 |
| alice8 | also italians smoke more than germans i read | 04:52 |
| berndj | yes, but france hasn't, yet, i believe | 04:52 |
| berndj | %cases france | 04:52 |
| Brainstorm | berndj: In all areas, France, there are 52128 cases, 3523 deaths (6.8% of cases), 9444 recoveries as of April 01, 02:06Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 04:52 |
| berndj | alice8, no, germans smoke marginally more | 04:53 |
| berndj | but i haven't seen a breakdown of smoking by age cohorts | 04:53 |
| berndj | and some people are speculating that smoking is protective (which would surprise me a bit, but ok maybe) | 04:53 |
| alice8 | huh ur right i was misinfomed | 04:54 |
| berndj | i'd like to see if there's a difference in how many older italians smoke vs older germans | 04:55 |
| IronY | berndj: the only thing I can say I know from research on the topic of smoking it is is still weirdly better to be an active smoker versus a recovered smoker but being a non smoker is still the best of the three | 05:12 |
| berndj | IronY, so now is not a good time to stop smoking? | 05:13 |
| IronY | berndj: Supposedly, again, this was one some non peer reviewed medical paper, but healed lung tissue of a non smoker is higher in ACE2 | 05:13 |
| berndj | is not having smoked in 10 years more like "non smoker" or more like "recovered smoker"? | 05:13 |
| IronY | recovered | 05:13 |
| berndj | interesting. what's different about someone who last smoked 10 years ago? | 05:14 |
| IronY | fully healed lung tissue | 05:14 |
| berndj | i mean compared to a never-smoker | 05:14 |
| IronY | never smoker still have the lowest ACE2 surface vector | 05:14 |
| berndj | oh i see, you mean the higher ACE2 expression persists after you stop smoking? | 05:15 |
| IronY | I am a smoker, imma be honst, that scares me, i would be more afraid to be an alcoholic though | 05:15 |
| bigfluff | How bad is it affecting alcoholics? | 05:15 |
| IronY | well alcohol is a immunosuprresent | 05:16 |
| IronY | so I have no data, but that cannot be good | 05:16 |
| berndj | darn, so i'll just have to keep looking at these wine bottles in my fridge | 05:16 |
| bigfluff | Ah, right...I didn't know if there was something specific I hadn't read | 05:16 |
| bigfluff | Thanks :) | 05:16 |
| berndj | (i barely drink, the bottles just sit there month after month) | 05:16 |
| IronY | berndj: yeah I am more talking the people who cannot just stop drinking right now | 05:17 |
| berndj | IronY, what do you know about the blood pressure thing? smoking increases it right? | 05:17 |
| IronY | "It is a paradox that while smoking acutely increases blood pressure, a slightly lower blood pressure level has been found among smokers than nonsmokers in larger epidemiological studies" | 05:18 |
| berndj | some people are saying "high blood pressure is a greater risk", but i'm wondering: is it the blood pressure per se, or the mechanism causing it that matters? | 05:18 |
| IronY | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9162447 | 05:18 |
| IronY | I had my blood pressure taken 3 times last year, always slightly lower (not by a scary factor) then "normal" | 05:19 |
| berndj | am i to read that smokers have, on average, a lower baseline blood pressure, but higher while they're actively smoking a cigarette? | 05:19 |
| berndj | (or what's with the "acutely") | 05:19 |
| bigfluff | I've had low blood pressure my last few tests too | 05:20 |
| IronY | bigfluff: smoker? | 05:20 |
| IronY | berndj: that would make sense since the half life of nicotine in the system is measured in less than an hour | 05:21 |
| bigfluff | IronY: yes | 05:22 |
| bigfluff | Weed | 05:22 |
| nb | %cases indiana, us | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | nb: Sorry, indiana, us not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 05:25 |
| nb | %cases indiana | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | nb: In Indiana, US, there are 2159 cases, 49 deaths (2.3% of cases), 0 recoveries as of April 01, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:25 |
| bigfluff | %cases oregon | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | bigfluff: In Oregon, US, there are 690 cases, 18 deaths (2.6% of cases), 0 recoveries as of April 01, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:25 |
| bigfluff | %cases us | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | bigfluff: In all areas, US, there are 188578 cases, 3890 deaths (2.1% of cases), 7251 recoveries as of April 01, 03:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:25 |
| ryouma | it is kind of mind boggling to me, as a naive, ignorant, non-epidemiologist, that we don't have testing all over the usa, for all suspected cases, all hcw at hospitals, and all hospital visitors with possible symptoms. or at least some sample. or even sampling in the community in places where transmission seems likely. | 05:28 |
| Administrator_ | hellp | 05:28 |
| Administrator_ | hello | 05:28 |
| ryouma | hi! ciao! | 05:28 |
| Spec | ryouma: to do that, you would need tests | 05:30 |
| ryouma | yeah :( | 05:31 |
| IronY | anyone wanna go do the math on those numbers - NYC | 05:31 |
| IronY | the tates that means | 05:31 |
| ryouma | i just think we are kind of working with insufficient data | 05:32 |
| ryouma | what do you mean by this? --- 19:19 <BruntLIVE> protein shake brings u back | 05:34 |
| ryouma | my vodka bottle (used to use for cleaning stuff of mold) is 40% --- 19:16 <IronY> gildarts: 60% of 200 proof is WHO approved on the vodka front | 05:36 |
| ryouma | gildarts: ^ | 05:36 |
| Lee- | I can't find good data on number of tests performed in the US vs testing capacity. I suspect our confirmed cases numbers are being capped by our ability to test. | 05:36 |
| IronY | https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/101752/coronavirus-poland-to-use-confiscated-vodka-alcohol-as-disinfectant/ | 05:36 |
| IronY | forget who the polish person was that was on here, but yeah, ur gov is serious | 05:37 |
| IronY | good for u guys | 05:37 |
| berndj | Lee-, i saw test numbers somewhere but i don't remember the link. i last saw it when the US had just started ramping up its testing rate, corresponding with the turn upwards of the # of cases | 05:38 |
| Lee- | I've found some numbers, but they're not being updated frequently. They also include number of tests, not testing capacity. I'm assuming we're using 100% of the available capacity, which means our confirmed numbers are artificially capped. I also read that there's a supply issue with one of the chemicals used as part of the test as it's made by a German manufacturer. Anyway I'd like to find more transparent data related to testing capacity vs tests | 05:40 |
| Lee- | performed than what I've managed to find. | 05:40 |
| PlanckWalk | Confirmed case numbers nearly everywhere in the world are capped by ability to test | 05:40 |
| IronY | ^ | 05:40 |
| IronY | I thought this was common knowledge | 05:40 |
| PlanckWalk | and/or willingness. | 05:40 |
| Lee- | This is the best source of testing data I've found, but I'd like something more official. https://covidtracking.com/data/ | 05:41 |
| PlanckWalk | Pick pretty much any country in the world, and they restrict access to testing due to lack of test capability. | 05:42 |
| PlanckWalk | (Or for political reasons) | 05:43 |
| Lee- | Right, but that's the key issue I'm trying to understand -- how many tests are we not doing that we would like to do if we had the capacity? In other words, are we maxing out our testing capacity each day? I'm assuming the answer is yes, but I don't know. | 05:45 |
| IronY | I am not understanding ur question | 05:46 |
| IronY | are you asking if they are purposely not maxing on a given day | 05:46 |
| IronY | of coure ur maxing out each day | 05:46 |
| IronY | and of course the desired result would be to drop a test at everyones door in the world right now | 05:46 |
| IronY | that is not the reality you are living in atm though | 05:46 |
| PlanckWalk | From tomorrow, one of the states in Australia is expanding test criteria to all people with fever + respiratory symptoms. | 05:47 |
| Lee- | That's my assumption, but I had not found anything to confirm that was the case. I keep hearing "anyone who wants a test will get tested", which just sounds unrealistic. | 05:47 |
| PlanckWalk | Previously they were requiring close contact with a previously confirmed case, or recent overseas travel. | 05:47 |
| IronY | Lee-: I feel like you have not put the minimum of a 5 min span on a google search on the topic | 05:47 |
| PlanckWalk | There's nowhere in the world that has "anyone who wants a test will get tested". | 05:48 |
| IronY | This is the only test I care about https://www.vox.com/2020/3/30/21186822/immunity-to-covid-19-test-coronavirus-rt-pcr-antibody | 05:49 |
| PlanckWalk | The only place I ever saw someone say that, also has one of the most restrictive and limited testing. | 05:49 |
| IronY | makes more point now to test for people who already got over it | 05:50 |
| IronY | then people who may have it | 05:50 |
| PlanckWalk | I expect nearly everywhere now has widespread community transmission, and containment by testing and tracing isn't possible anymore. | 05:52 |
| IronY | exactly | 05:52 |
| IronY | testing was for confinement | 05:52 |
| IronY | that ship sailed | 05:52 |
| IronY | the quicker people can realize that the quicker we can stop talking about the 'why cant I get a test' conversations | 05:53 |
| IronY | u could go out to get a test right now, and contract covid on the way home | 05:53 |
| Lee- | I think that highly depends on where you live. I'm on the border of 2 counties. My county got its first confirmed case on 3/24 (4 as of today). The other has 0 as of today. I'm sure there are places where contract tracing still makes sense. For places where it's basically everywhere should probably stop testing there as it serves little purpose. | 05:57 |
| IronY | 'county' | 05:58 |
| IronY | no | 05:58 |
| PlanckWalk | Lots of places have had no confirmed cases due to not testing | 05:58 |
| IronY | this virus does not care about counties limits | 05:58 |
| IronY | ur food / goods are not coming from your countie | 05:59 |
| IronY | ur just on the last stage of acceptance | 05:59 |
| IronY | 1: The world numbers are low, 2: The countries numbers are low, 3: the states numbers are low, 5: the city numbers are low, 6: old people are dying, everything is closed: 7: A lot of my friends are in the hospital | 06:00 |
| IronY | ur on 5 | 06:00 |
| IronY | missed 4 in there lol | 06:01 |
| IronY | 4: The counties numbers are low ;) | 06:01 |
| IronY | Lee-: I will tell you the same thing my government tells me, the one thing I can respect coming from my government in the time of this crisis | 06:02 |
| IronY | Lee-: Assume you have it, assume everyone else has it, act accordingly | 06:02 |
| alice8 | stay home | 06:03 |
| Lee- | I'm an introvert who works from home. That's not an issue for me. My point is simply that there are places that are far more rural where contact tracing would still be viable, but we apparently can't get testing. | 06:04 |
| IronY | Lee-: no | 06:04 |
| IronY | everyone should stay home | 06:04 |
| IronY | it is that simple | 06:04 |
| rajrajraj | Highest death yesterday | 06:04 |
| rajrajraj | IronY: its not | 06:04 |
| IronY | I am not going to debate real science | 06:04 |
| rajrajraj | I don't get veggies at home | 06:04 |
| PlanckWalk | There aren't enough people to do contact tracing anymore, even if there were tests | 06:04 |
| rajrajraj | Yesterday i had to go out and buy a week grocery | 06:05 |
| IronY | even if u could contract trace, until there are people literally blocking all traffic in an out of a county line | 06:05 |
| IronY | then what use is it | 06:05 |
| PlanckWalk | It's quite likely that everyone is a contact of someone who has the virus by now. | 06:06 |
| alice8 | im good for a month. i haven't left home for 14 days now | 06:06 |
| IronY | i have left the house for 20 mins in the last 17 days | 06:06 |
| IronY | the prep work before and after leaving the house for 20 mins was 3 hours | 06:07 |
| PlanckWalk | Okay, "everyone" is hyperbole. A significant fraction of the whole population, though. | 06:08 |
| IronY | PlanckWalk: I can confirm the most remote canadian communities are effected | 06:08 |
| IronY | that is a good metric to support ur case | 06:08 |
| alice8 | even in singapore? | 06:11 |
| IronY | "The whole world" | 06:11 |
| alice8 | people are touting singapore and south korea as successes of contract tracing and quarantine | 06:12 |
| alice8 | contact* | 06:12 |
| IronY | korea got on the ball BEFORE containment failed | 06:12 |
| IronY | supposedly | 06:12 |
| Zalyssa | don't forget taiwan | 06:12 |
| alice8 | so in these places most of the population hasnt contacted an infected person we can assume if the numbers are true? | 06:13 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes, there are a few countries where they do appear to be in containment still. | 06:16 |
| PlanckWalk | Singapore looks borderline though | 06:17 |
| ryouma | what prep work --- 21:07 <IronY> the prep work before and after leaving the house for 20 mins was 3 hours | 06:17 |
| ryouma | is feeling run down and a slight sore throat an early symptom? | 06:18 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes. It's also a symptom of sustained anxiety and about a billion other things. | 06:19 |
| yuriwho | everyone needs to take breaks | 06:20 |
| jacklsw | now it's too long a break | 06:21 |
| jacklsw | lol | 06:21 |
| yuriwho | I’m having stress symptoms too | 06:22 |
| Zalyssa | don't forget that not everyone can just shrug off a pandemic and the threat of a somewhat nasty virus | 06:22 |
| Zalyssa | even if you think you're okay with it all, you may very well not be | 06:23 |
| yuriwho | agreed | 06:23 |
| ryouma | i don't get those symptoms fro anxiety. those symptoms usually precede a cold. | 06:23 |
| yuriwho | I get exema | 06:24 |
| Zalyssa | I do epidemiological work, and it gets to me too | 06:24 |
| Zalyssa | ryouma: stress has significant effects on the immune system too, don't forget | 06:25 |
| yuriwho | there will probably be a surge in PTSD | 06:25 |
| Zalyssa | maybe they've got a cold coming on, sure, but the possible factors that lead to that infection shouldn't be ignored, such as stress and anxiety | 06:26 |
| yuriwho | I linked a paper on that | 06:26 |
| ryouma | i have been under severe stress for years. it is indeed a problem. | 06:26 |
| ryouma | so yeah the immune results of that are a concern | 06:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: HSBC, Standard Chartered shares fall after lenders cancel dividend payments — from r/WorldNews at 04:23: China Hints That Its Coronavirus Data Doesn’t Paint Full Picture.Maybe our numbers aren’t entirely giving the full picture of the coronavirus, China health officials said on Tuesday. → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 06:27 |
| ryouma | lenders cancel dividends? huh? | 06:29 |
| ryouma | what is teh time from exposure to first symptoms? | 06:33 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: average is 5 days but the range is about 3-10 days | 06:34 |
| tinwhiskers | you can get symptoms in 2 days but it's uncommon. | 06:35 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: A Wuhan doctor who was among the first to alert other medics to the spread of coronavirus has disappeared sparking concerns that she has been detained (5134 votes) | 06:41 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8173363/Wuhan-doctor-went-public-spread-coronavirus-goes-missing.html | https://redd.it/fsq779 | 06:41 |
| ryouma | i was possibly exopsed on the 30th | 06:55 |
| Cache_Money | how? | 07:02 |
| IronY | my biggest problem right now is how to cut my dogs nails | 07:02 |
| IronY | so far my only idea is to slip her some gravol | 07:02 |
| ryouma | Cache_Money: gf went to deliver something | 07:03 |
| rajrajraj | IronY: use nail cutter | 07:06 |
| ryouma | dog nail trimmers might be the one thing you can get these days | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:14 UTC: Coronavirus map of the US: latest cases state by state: Coronavirus – latest US updates C oronavirus – latest global updates See all our coronavirus coverage The number of confirmed cases of Covid-19 continues to grow in the US. Mike Pence, the vice-president, is overseeing the US response to the coronavirus. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2Yehgv | 07:18 |
| ryouma | now coughing. is there anything to try to hold it off? | 07:20 |
| IronY | yeah | 07:23 |
| IronY | I have nail cutters | 07:23 |
| IronY | I even have dog dremels | 07:24 |
| IronY | the issue is not how do i cut the dogs nails | 07:24 |
| IronY | the issue is the dog is so afraid of nail cutting we gave up and had it done professionaly | 07:24 |
| IronY | I do not have a professional grooming station on hand I can suspend the dog from to stop it from moving | 07:24 |
| IronY | thus I am going to mildly sedate the dog | 07:24 |
| ryouma | a log carrier would do it maybe | 07:24 |
| IronY | ryouma: tried that already actually | 07:25 |
| IronY | I have 2, car sized and home sized | 07:25 |
| IronY | I am looking at things on amazon that suspend ur dog in the air | 07:25 |
| IronY | which would work | 07:25 |
| ryouma | why is suspending dog better than holding dog? | 07:28 |
| IronY | there feet dangle | 07:28 |
| IronY | so I can cut their nails ;) | 07:28 |
| IronY | I am not even trying to clip them, Im going to dog dremel down the 4 nails that are problamatic | 07:29 |
| IronY | ill keep u posted tomorrow lol | 07:29 |
| twomoon | hilarious conversation irony | 07:34 |
| IronY | :) | 07:35 |
| Jigsy | %cases world | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, World, there are 859917 cases, 42339 deaths (4.9% of cases), 178131 recoveries as of April 01, 05:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 07:35 |
| IronY | btw when I say gravol I mean the ginger version not the other one | 07:35 |
| IronY | same thing they recommend for dogs who are bad at car rides | 07:35 |
| IronY | do not fret folks, I love my dog like a child and no harm will come to her | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 36 new cases, 7 deaths: Starting Wednesday, China's National Health Commission will report data on asymptomatic cases under medical observation. — from r/WorldNews at 05:35: Austria to make face masks mandatory at supermarkets → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 07:38 |
| ryouma | does this mean they have enough to distribute to those? | 07:44 |
| IronY | its not hard to ramp production up on surgical level masks | 07:48 |
| IronY | there is plenty of material and sewing machines on hand in most cities | 07:48 |
| IronY | cannot just domestically make n95 masks of course without some skillz | 07:48 |
| twomoon | is N95 a higher grade than surgical? | 07:55 |
| IronY | https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandDifferenceInfographic-508.pdf | 07:55 |
| twomoon | also irony i heard on the radio some scientists talking about how droplet spread vs. airborne spread is a false dichotomy | 07:56 |
| twomoon | i kinda instinctively knew that but some 'smarter people' here naysayed a lot when i proposed that | 07:56 |
| IronY | explain | 07:57 |
| twomoon | there's nothing to explain. people had created a separate term for something that wasn't really different | 07:57 |
| IronY | lol | 07:58 |
| IronY | no they didnt | 07:58 |
| IronY | droplet != airborn, that is just a fact | 07:58 |
| twomoon | and some people started thinking airborne spread meant that individual particles of virus shedding from the body not attached to droplets of mucus/water could go infect other people | 07:58 |
| IronY | you can have airborn droplets | 07:58 |
| IronY | but droplets != airborn | 07:58 |
| twomoon | it's a false dichotomy dude | 07:58 |
| IronY | my man ur not convincing me decades of actual science is fake based on a something you heard on the radio | 07:58 |
| twomoon | airborne just means it's in the air for a period of time, whether inside a drop of something or with a piece of dead skin | 07:59 |
| twomoon | it's bullshit irony, because all you have to back it up is a != symbol | 07:59 |
| IronY | https://eportal.mountsinai.ca/Microbiology/faq/transmission.shtml#four | 08:00 |
| IronY | would you like me to paste all 36 million links? | 08:00 |
| IronY | I got time | 08:00 |
| twomoon | it's a false dichotomy because it differentiates based on size of droplet | 08:01 |
| IronY | lol | 08:01 |
| IronY | ok moving on | 08:01 |
| twomoon | without saying exactly what the size threshold is where something is small/light enough to start floating around in the air like pollen | 08:01 |
| IronY | ur talking nonsense opinions vs established vetted science | 08:02 |
| twomoon | that's the very definition of a false dichotomy | 08:02 |
| IronY | moving on | 08:02 |
| twomoon | where you say there are two different classes but the threshold that defines the two classes is vague and never talked about | 08:02 |
| IronY | moving on | 08:02 |
| twomoon | bullshit i say! | 08:02 |
| twomoon | you spelled airborne wrong btw neener-neener | 08:02 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: The Trump administration is ramping up airstrikes in Somalia, where a human rights group says they are increasingly killing civilians (5155 votes) | 08:05 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.businessinsider.com/somalia-us-airstrikes-killing-civilians-according-to-watchdogs-2020-3 | https://redd.it/fspne1 | 08:05 |
| blkshp | tinwhiskers: we're getting by, same restrictions, no going out except for exercise or essential work/shopping sort of stuff. I think most people are still being quite british about it! | 08:08 |
| mefistofeles | and crappy spelling | 08:12 |
| IronY | Symptoms are just meh at this point, I cannot keep up | 08:17 |
| IronY | now that all the info is coming not from china (which means any info is coming) | 08:17 |
| IronY | both diarrhea and constipation are now symptoms | 08:18 |
| IronY | this is gonna start reading like a medical advertisement | 08:18 |
| IronY | ' | 08:18 |
| IronY | Are you sleeping or not sleeping eating or not eating pooping or not pooping drinking or not drinking living or not living - you have covid' | 08:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths could reach 240,000 as UN says world faces worst crisis since WW2 — from r/WorldNews at 06:15: Experts concerned Chinese government lying about coronavirus could impact U.S. business ties → https://is.gd/HcP57U | 08:20 |
| IronY | The un is becoming very good at stating the obvious | 08:24 |
| IronY | '3 months into a pandemic, the UN said there was a pandemic' | 08:24 |
| IronY | lol | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:27 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 36 new cases, 7 deaths: Starting Wednesday, China's National Health Commission will report data on asymptomatic cases under medical observation. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 08:30 |
| mefistofeles | So jail time for april fools jokes on covid-19 | 08:51 |
| mefistofeles | bear that in mind | 08:51 |
| Albright | HUMOR IS FORBIDDEN. IT IS FOR THE COMMON GOOD | 08:52 |
| IronY | literally told my gf before she went to bed | 08:54 |
| IronY | "If u wake up and u see covid 19 is cured and u can go outside, pay attention to the date' | 08:54 |
| IronY | the joke was on me though | 08:56 |
| IronY | she said 'I have not read a single article about this since it started, you have been warning me since January, You do enough for the both of us' | 08:56 |
| IronY | Man I envy her | 08:56 |
| Gerula | "do you ever worry?" "would it help?" | 08:58 |
| IronY | ^ | 08:58 |
| sYN4P515 | what, me worry? | 08:59 |
| IronY | She is working from home, she is not leaving the house, she is not a vector of risk for me, thus if she wants to remain blissfully unaware, I don't blame her | 08:59 |
| IronY | oh, and she also 100% implements the decontamination protocols I put in place regarding external packages needing to enter the domicile, and takes her multi vitamins lol | 09:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA — from r/WorldNews at 07:10: Fox News purportedly bracing for “legal bloodbath” after peddling coronavirus misinformation / Queerty → https://is.gd/0Pjgyb | 09:13 |
| Albright | pfft | 09:19 |
| IronY | the link doesnt even work | 09:19 |
| IronY | I have a feeling brainstorm reports things that are deleted before it has a chance to report things | 09:20 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: probably | 09:20 |
| mefistofeles | that's why it's ot such a good idea to feed on reddit | 09:20 |
| mefistofeles | not* | 09:21 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: perhaps if we can find a reliable and reviewed RSS feed we can pitch that to them | 09:21 |
| Albright | I found the article: https://www.queerty.com/fox-news-purportedly-bracing-legal-bloodbath-peddling-coronavirus-misinformation-20200331 | 09:23 |
| IronY | Thanks Albright! | 09:23 |
| Albright | I can't figure out under what grounds they would be sued, though. | 09:25 |
| IronY | after reading the comments I gave up on the article itself | 09:26 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 09:26 |
| IronY | Every news agency was down playing this for 2 months | 09:26 |
| mefistofeles | I read I cannot even get why you found it interesting from the headline | 09:26 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: It was more for entertainment lol | 09:26 |
| IronY | if ur gonna sue fox news, u better start with sueing the WHO and the entire CCP | 09:27 |
| mefistofeles | what? Fox news is really bad, fwiw | 09:28 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: No argument | 09:28 |
| IronY | but this was all bad | 09:28 |
| IronY | on all ends | 09:28 |
| Albright | Sure, but if a news network could get sued for publishing false or biased information, they'd all be broke. | 09:28 |
| IronY | Albright: Yeah, that was why i wanted to read it, I was curious if people thought maybe this was a new thing | 09:28 |
| aradesh | IronY: down-playing coronavirus? | 09:29 |
| IronY | aradesh: Yeah, I mean I better go sue my government for telling me the chances of community spread in my country was not likely | 09:29 |
| IronY | i also need to sue about 98% of my facebook friends list | 09:30 |
| aradesh | which country are you in? | 09:30 |
| IronY | aradesh: Canada | 09:30 |
| aradesh | the whole western response to coronavirus is typical with wish-ful thinking from nations who cannot bear to do anything that might damage their GDP | 09:30 |
| aradesh | typical case of GDP first, people second. | 09:30 |
| IronY | exactly | 09:30 |
| IronY | it just amazes me people are now realizing this was a thing | 09:30 |
| IronY | I mean, it is almost like people have never heard the terms 'Acceptable losses' | 09:31 |
| aradesh | and the result? the same economic damage from shut-down that would have been caused from the start, but plus a major health crisis to go along with it | 09:31 |
| aradesh | how long will countries like brazil and turkmenistan hold out with their positions until it becomes untenable? | 09:32 |
| IronY | aradesh: Oh yeah no doubt, but at this point if I was going to sue everyone who downplayed this I would be better of spending the next 8 years of my life getting a law degree so I can just do it myself because thats a lot of people that are going to need to be sued and there are only so many lawyers in the world | 09:32 |
| aradesh | brazil's president's official position is, "it's just the sniffles, carry on as normal". turkmenistan's president's position is, "ignore it. it doesn't matter. in fact no one is allowed to talk about coronavirus or wear masks lest it cause panic" | 09:32 |
| aradesh | IronY: lol | 09:32 |
| aradesh | IronY: could be an interesting new career | 09:33 |
| IronY | aradesh: Canada: 'Masks don't help, but can you please donate all your masks' | 09:33 |
| aradesh | to be fair the masks misinformation could make sense because they don't want their doctors to not have enough masks | 09:33 |
| aradesh | a white lie, if you know what i mean | 09:33 |
| IronY | oh of course thats 100% what it is | 09:33 |
| aradesh | but it's still misinformation | 09:33 |
| IronY | but essentially it is also disarming the populace with misinformation | 09:34 |
| IronY | exactly | 09:34 |
| aradesh | yup... | 09:34 |
| aradesh | czech republic made wearing masks mandatory for everyone who goes outside now | 09:34 |
| IronY | I mean most of asia has been doing that since Sars 1 | 09:34 |
| aradesh | it jus shows how much of a slave the globe, in particular the west, has become to the economy | 09:35 |
| mefistofeles | nobody ever said that mask don'thelp, fwiw | 09:35 |
| aradesh | how late it's willing to leave action because of reluctance to damage the economy | 09:35 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: plenty of people said that | 09:35 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: nobody that matters | 09:35 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: Are you canadian? | 09:36 |
| mefistofeles | no | 09:36 |
| aradesh | i think people said, "masks don't stop you getting it, they stop you spreading it" | 09:36 |
| aradesh | including organisations like the WHO | 09:36 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: then I guess ur still right, but people 'who do matter' to the Canadian population, 100% said that | 09:36 |
| mefistofeles | aradesh: not even that, but they are more effective for infected people | 09:36 |
| IronY | lets use sun screen as an example | 09:36 |
| aradesh | well that was the impression people got from the official stances | 09:37 |
| IronY | Lets say your a red head | 09:37 |
| IronY | you got pastey skin | 09:37 |
| mefistofeles | and that's a very different thing than saying "mask don't help", which again, nobody (that matters) claimed that | 09:37 |
| IronY | ur going for a all day hike | 09:37 |
| IronY | i think it is going to be overcast the whole day, but you still bring your sun screen | 09:37 |
| IronY | because having any protection versus having no protection is 100% more protection | 09:37 |
| IronY | does it make you invincible to a sunburn, no | 09:37 |
| IronY | does it make you less susceptible to a sun burn, yes | 09:37 |
| mefistofeles | that's not the issue | 09:38 |
| IronY | Do you eat your sun screen? No, you read / watch how to properly use ur sun screen | 09:38 |
| IronY | if someone ate their sun screen, do you tell everyone else to stop using it? | 09:38 |
| mefistofeles | many peple don't know how to wear a mask and give them a false sense of protection, so make them take more risks... or make them touching their faces 10x more... or make them hoard masks that will be needed for actual sick/infected or health worker people | 09:39 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: and thats their bad | 09:39 |
| IronY | I know how to use my mask | 09:39 |
| IronY | I did not eat my sun screen | 09:39 |
| IronY | I also take the internal temp of meat before I eat it | 09:39 |
| IronY | because why take a risk | 09:39 |
| farn | https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160 | 09:39 |
| IronY | farn: exactly ;) | 09:40 |
| IronY | "It wont protect you from getting it, but if they dont have it, it cannot protect them from getting it' | 09:40 |
| IronY | the sentence is 100% cognitive dissonance | 09:40 |
| mefistofeles | why peple keep getting reasons from tweets, just check the official WHO guidlines, or CDC or RKI or whatever | 09:42 |
| mefistofeles | people* | 09:42 |
| IronY | thats a tweet from the official us surgeon general account | 09:42 |
| IronY | btw | 09:43 |
| aradesh | so how's the corona news today | 09:43 |
| aradesh | UK had almost 400 recorded deaths in one day yesterday | 09:43 |
| farn | I'm glad to hear that the US surgeon general doesn't matter | 09:43 |
| aradesh | USA had almost 900 in a day? | 09:44 |
| farn | But no *true* scotsman has ever said that they don't work | 09:44 |
| aradesh | lol | 09:44 |
| IronY | aradesh: Ill give you a spoiler, the numbers are going to go up every day for the foreseeable future | 09:44 |
| IronY | :D | 09:44 |
| twomoon | "many peple don't know how to wear a mask and give them a false sense of protection, so make them take more risks... or make them touching their faces 10x more... or make them hoard masks that will be needed for actual sick/infected or health worker people" i hate this argument, which is straight outta the WHO btw | 09:45 |
| IronY | step 1: open google | 09:45 |
| twomoon | "don't wear a mask because it gives you a false sense of protection" | 09:45 |
| IronY | step 2: type in 'How to properly wear mask' | 09:45 |
| IronY | step 3: wear mask properly | 09:45 |
| twomoon | dude, wear a mask out of respect for others in case you sneeze | 09:45 |
| IronY | 90% of people do not know how to use their turn signals while driving | 09:46 |
| mefistofeles | it's not that simple | 09:46 |
| IronY | they still have cars | 09:46 |
| aradesh | IronY: i dunno i reckon maybe italy will have it all plateaued in about 2 weeks | 09:46 |
| mefistofeles | there are many regions with a real shortage on masks | 09:46 |
| mefistofeles | that's a real issue | 09:46 |
| twomoon | make your own mask then | 09:46 |
| mefistofeles | ie. Spain | 09:46 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: no argument there | 09:46 |
| IronY | but they could just be honest about it | 09:46 |
| mefistofeles | you can check how the virus spread fster in health workers there, probably because they lack the basic PPE | 09:46 |
| twomoon | hi aradesh | 09:47 |
| IronY | 'Hey masks help, but like, out of the respect for the lives of the people on the front line who are most exposed, please donate your ppe' | 09:47 |
| IronY | would go a long way | 09:47 |
| aradesh | yeah or "please make your own masks because we need the masks for our doctors and nurses" | 09:47 |
| twomoon | yes i agree irony | 09:47 |
| twomoon | they are being disingenuous aren't they | 09:47 |
| mefistofeles | hah | 09:47 |
| twomoon | i felt that too | 09:47 |
| mefistofeles | you are too naive, tbh | 09:47 |
| twomoon | yup aradesh | 09:47 |
| aradesh | twomoon: hi | 09:47 |
| IronY | Not sire you understand the definition of naive | 09:47 |
| mefistofeles | people are emptying supermarkets and hoarding toilet papers (wtf?), do you really expect them to donate PPE? | 09:47 |
| twomoon | mefistofeles: stop being a shill of the WHO and toting the party line | 09:47 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: ohh | 09:47 |
| IronY | Yeah, if you have 3 masks in ur home, and 3 people in your home | 09:48 |
| IronY | keep ur masks | 09:48 |
| IronY | if you have 3000000000 masks in ur home | 09:48 |
| aradesh | trump supporters are playing off his previous 'denial' of the virus as being, "keeping public morale and stop causing panic" but... again it's still lying, even if only a white lie. | 09:48 |
| IronY | and 3 people in ur home | 09:48 |
| IronY | ur a piece of shit | 09:48 |
| ketas | make wcpps | 09:48 |
| ketas | ppe | 09:48 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: which happens | 09:48 |
| twomoon | mefistofeles: most people don't even have a mask. they'd have to make their own makeshift mask anyways. (or use a piece of cloth or a bandana) | 09:49 |
| twomoon | so irrelevant | 09:49 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: Yeah, but like, lets punish those people, not all people, we are agreeing on most things, but the fact the gov is just saying 'Yeah they dont work but we need them' does not sit well | 09:49 |
| ketas | how about using my scarf? | 09:49 |
| mefistofeles | ketas: won't do much | 09:49 |
| twomoon | scarves are bad | 09:49 |
| IronY | ketas: cotton non woven scarf | 09:49 |
| jacklsw | somehow in malaysia there's shortage of bread | 09:49 |
| ketas | no inbound protection i guess | 09:49 |
| twomoon | because they are usually wool and wool is very porous | 09:49 |
| IronY | ^ | 09:49 |
| jacklsw | since quarantine started | 09:49 |
| ketas | i have fleece one | 09:50 |
| twomoon | have you ever noticed that wool doesn't stop the windchill factor as well as cotton or synthetics? | 09:50 |
| IronY | if you do have a 100% cotton, non woven scarf, that you wrap around multiple times, that is better then nothing, it is far from 100%, but it is better then nothing | 09:50 |
| ketas | like oil product! | 09:50 |
| twomoon | how's malaysia doing? | 09:50 |
| ketas | i already know it's pointless | 09:50 |
| ketas | and if you don't wash it, even worse | 09:51 |
| IronY | you guys wanna know the scariest thing I have seen about masks | 09:51 |
| twomoon | ketas, if you feel a sneeze coming on, get ready to sneeze into your arm or hand, and then run to the bathroom | 09:51 |
| IronY | there are people in my home town crocheting face masks | 09:51 |
| IronY | if ur not familiar with crocheting | 09:51 |
| IronY | google that | 09:51 |
| twomoon | if you're in public and not wearing a mask do whatever you can to not let your sneeze go into the air | 09:51 |
| twomoon | irony you sound like straight outta anne of green gables yo | 09:52 |
| ketas | hold it in and get respiratory damage | 09:52 |
| jacklsw | malaysia is not too bad. at least the new cases don't rise exponentially | 09:52 |
| IronY | crocheting my dude, it may as well be green gables lol | 09:52 |
| jacklsw | still linear increase though | 09:52 |
| mefistofeles | !corona Malaysia | 09:52 |
| CoronaBot | Malaysia: Global rank: #25, cases: 2,766, fatalities: 43, active cases: 2,186, total recovered: 537, in a serious condition: 94. Mortality: 1.55%, case fatality rate: 7.41%, cases/1M: 85.0, deaths/1M: 1.0. Case rate: 140/day, death rate: 6/day, 1st case: Jan 24. | 09:52 |
| twomoon | do you feel that malaysia's hot and humid weather helps reduce the spread? | 09:52 |
| mefistofeles | jacklsw: surely not testing enough | 09:52 |
| IronY | !corona canada | 09:52 |
| CoronaBot | Canada: Global rank: #15, cases: 8,612, fatalities: 101, active cases: 7,269, total recovered: 1,242, in a serious condition: 120. Mortality: 1.17%, case fatality rate: 7.52%, cases/1M: 228.0, deaths/1M: 3.0. Case rate: 1,164/day, death rate: 12/day, 1st case: Jan 24. | 09:52 |
| mefistofeles | 43 fatalities should be around 4k cases | 09:52 |
| IronY | we need to invert the # | 09:53 |
| jacklsw | twomoon: probably | 09:53 |
| IronY | generally in most metrics being first is best, so if we invert the Rank, #1 is the country with the least infections | 09:53 |
| twomoon | mefistofeles: did it not occur to you yet that asians are likely more immune to coronaviruses? | 09:53 |
| IronY | lol | 09:53 |
| ketas | i've opted to not wear mask or respirator and not desinfect my hands with alcohol solution when it's -7'c outside... also things like sneeze or cough targets are difficult to obey and also not touching face | 09:53 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: april's fool? | 09:53 |
| mefistofeles | ;) | 09:53 |
| twomoon | the numbers, at least to me, so far, scream that asians are less susceptible to covid | 09:54 |
| mefistofeles | heh | 09:54 |
| IronY | twomoon: the numbers scream the numbers are wrong | 09:54 |
| IronY | it is china | 09:54 |
| IronY | the numbers are always wrong | 09:54 |
| twomoon | i guess numbers don't scream out to mefistofeles much | 09:54 |
| IronY | china has never once given reliable numbers in the history of china and have been caught red handed every time | 09:55 |
| mefistofeles | the numbers scream that Asia has had many outbreaks of these type of diseases and are way more prepared for them | 09:55 |
| mefistofeles | specially considering non-China ones | 09:55 |
| IronY | you would almost need to be insane to accept chinese numbers at face value | 09:55 |
| twomoon | you can't infer preparedness directly from numbers | 09:55 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: we don't know | 09:55 |
| mefistofeles | and so far, they seem reasonable | 09:55 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: I mean, they lied openly and were caught openly on sars 1 | 09:55 |
| IronY | SO ur right I do not know | 09:56 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: it's known they have been preparing for these type of events for decades | 09:56 |
| IronY | but based on all previous information | 09:56 |
| IronY | It is more than likely | 09:56 |
| twomoon | not all asian countries have mefistofeles | 09:56 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: nobody said all | 09:56 |
| mefistofeles | just the trend | 09:56 |
| twomoon | well your statement doesn't refute outright my conjecture | 09:57 |
| IronY | calling it now | 09:57 |
| twomoon | so nothing i need to do here =) | 09:57 |
| mefistofeles | also, Japan heh spiking up right after olympics get postponed xD | 09:57 |
| IronY | someone in isolation ends up figuring out time travel | 09:57 |
| IronY | they travel back to china hundreds of years ago | 09:57 |
| IronY | they build a wall around it | 09:57 |
| IronY | ;) | 09:57 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: just read the science, if you find a mutation in asian strains (either humans or virus) that makes them more immune, and you say that it is evident, publish that and win many awards | 09:58 |
| twomoon | japan: oldest population in the world, nowhere near italy's mortality rate. enuff said =) | 09:58 |
| mefistofeles | we have not seen that, it's not evident, at all, so no, the numbers don't scream that | 09:58 |
| twomoon | again, not looking at the science. i just said what the numbers are screaming to me. i don't refute the science at all. not my aim | 09:59 |
| Albright | We should build bridges, not walls. So I'm told. | 09:59 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: they are not testing nearly enough, also having the oldest population doesn't mean the old are getting sick as frequent as in Italy | 09:59 |
| IronY | twomoon: that would more likely mean italians are more susceptible, not that asians are less | 09:59 |
| twomoon | good point irony | 09:59 |
| IronY | twomoon: unless the entire world goes to > 10%, then ur probably right | 10:00 |
| mefistofeles | and somehow italians are a new kind of caucasian/european race? | 10:00 |
| IronY | To be fair to japan, they have been preparing for this since Sars 1 | 10:00 |
| mefistofeles | you cannot make those false conclusions just from localized outbreaks | 10:01 |
| twomoon | nobody ever said that mefistofeles. you're making a bad inference | 10:01 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: sure, I'm reducing it to absurdum | 10:01 |
| mefistofeles | Italy's main problem was that majority of cases were from elderly and concentrated in a high density region, that made the ICUs collapse fast and all hell broke loose | 10:03 |
| mefistofeles | and many other unknown things | 10:03 |
| IronY | where has japan has basically been waiting for this to happen | 10:03 |
| IronY | and was prepared | 10:03 |
| mefistofeles | yes and no | 10:03 |
| twomoon | mefistofeles: just wait till italy starts counting second-order deaths related covid (people unable to be treated for other diseases due to the hospitals being overwhelmed and low on supplies) | 10:03 |
| mefistofeles | again, they were not testing at first, now they are spiking up | 10:03 |
| twomoon | we'd see 15% mortality | 10:03 |
| stevev916[m] | japan underreported to save the olympics | 10:04 |
| mefistofeles | stevev916[m]: that may be one of the reasons | 10:04 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: I am more talking about ICU capacity / The population already wearing masks out of fear of pollution and viruses | 10:04 |
| IronY | the population was better prepared, despite the failings of their government | 10:04 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: true | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +512 cases (now 861254), +7 deaths (now 42364), +95 recoveries (now 178536) — Austria: +68 cases (now 10366) — Kuwait: +7 recoveries (now 80) | 10:05 |
| twomoon | is the wearing of masks equal to preparedness? | 10:05 |
| IronY | any preparedness is equal to preparedness | 10:05 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: making your population wear them and have enough for most of the population is, I guess | 10:05 |
| twomoon | they wear masks anyways, maybe due to air pollution | 10:05 |
| mefistofeles | which is not the case in western countries, by far | 10:05 |
| twomoon | that's not preparedness if they do it regardless | 10:05 |
| twomoon | preparedness means doing something they don't normally do | 10:06 |
| IronY | Japan Citizen = Things could go bad, we should have a plan (even at a family level) | 10:06 |
| IronY | WEstern Citizen = Nothing can ever happen here | 10:06 |
| twomoon | i doubt japanese citizens think like that. but i doubt they hoard stuff because they generally have more respect for their fellow citizens afaik | 10:07 |
| mefistofeles | yes, you can even see that in some europeans countries | 10:07 |
| twomoon | a lot of people have a plan here in the US. it's just a poor plan | 10:07 |
| twomoon | did the japanese government stockpile ppe pretty well? | 10:08 |
| mefistofeles | the best plan is to stick to the recommendations and if you can, make them more strict individually | 10:08 |
| IronY | helpful tip for everyone | 10:09 |
| twomoon | the WHO should tell people to think for themselves a bit more in that case | 10:09 |
| IronY | if ur on the googles trying to find information about stuff that was established prior to Covid19 | 10:09 |
| IronY | use the search tools to filter out the last few months | 10:09 |
| IronY | twomoon: https://www.statista.com/statistics/856804/share-of-global-sheet-face-masks-producers-by-leading-country/ | 10:10 |
| IronY | the more PPE you domestically produce, the less u have to worry about stockpiling PPE | 10:11 |
| IronY | you do not find yourself in the current situation of most countries of having a 2 week lag time due to retooling of domestic operations | 10:12 |
| twomoon | so, what's the point? you could wind up selling all your produced masks to other countries | 10:12 |
| IronY | ? | 10:12 |
| twomoon | it doesn't tell you how many are retained | 10:12 |
| IronY | Why would japan be selling its masks right now | 10:12 |
| IronY | lol | 10:12 |
| twomoon | who knows | 10:12 |
| IronY | Then why even ask | 10:12 |
| twomoon | ok sorry | 10:12 |
| IronY | Assume that is also probably illegal | 10:12 |
| twomoon | i assume most masks made in the US wind up in other countries | 10:13 |
| IronY | if you go open up a factory for masks in the states right now and you try to export those beyond the country, i assure you, you will not have a good time | 10:13 |
| IronY | meanwhile we keep asking why korea is doing so good | 10:13 |
| twomoon | i bet i could export them if i want. the US lets private companies do almost whatever | 10:13 |
| IronY | 41% | 10:13 |
| IronY | they make 41% | 10:13 |
| mefistofeles | tbh, I don't really get why are people making such a big deal of what the WHO says, people don't even bother to read the WHO recommendations or watch the press conferences, is massive media (and crappy media) who are informing people | 10:13 |
| twomoon | 41% of what? | 10:13 |
| IronY | ppe | 10:13 |
| twomoon | 41% of the global supply of ppe | 10:14 |
| twomoon | my god i'm getting into this business | 10:14 |
| IronY | btw, War measure act means u cannot ell ur masks to a foreign entity | 10:14 |
| IronY | in fact trump could call u right now and say your not allowed to do anything but masks and ventilators and hand santiizer | 10:14 |
| IronY | thats what that act gives him power to do | 10:14 |
| IronY | it is normally used in war to produce ammo, and tanks, and war effort materials | 10:15 |
| IronY | trump currently has the power to nationalize any company he deems fit if they do not comply | 10:15 |
| mefistofeles | do you know of other companies in the US buying ventilators from other countries? That is, other than Tesla | 10:15 |
| aradesh | i'm not sure how effective this home-made mask is: http://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1584304232182.jpg | 10:16 |
| IronY | loool | 10:16 |
| mefistofeles | pretty effective | 10:16 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 10:16 |
| IronY | look at the very left of the pic | 10:16 |
| IronY | dude is buying a shit ton of vodka lol | 10:17 |
| mefistofeles | as we all should | 10:17 |
| twomoon | do you know what that mask represents? | 10:17 |
| mefistofeles | specially if really strong vodka, with +60% ethanol | 10:17 |
| twomoon | don't show that here | 10:17 |
| IronY | twomoon: I assume it is a plauge doctor parody | 10:17 |
| twomoon | it could be that but it could mean something else | 10:17 |
| twomoon | let's not get into it | 10:17 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, don't | 10:18 |
| twomoon | also don't forget trump has refused to use the powers granted to him by the Defense Production Act | 10:18 |
| twomoon | he's very reluctant to nationalize companies | 10:18 |
| mefistofeles | US economy is fragile | 10:19 |
| mefistofeles | wonder how many years will take them to recover from this one | 10:19 |
| twomoon | yea right | 10:19 |
| mefistofeles | last one was like a decade | 10:19 |
| twomoon | it's potent still | 10:19 |
| twomoon | it's more fragile than before yes | 10:19 |
| IronY | refused to use != has the ability to use | 10:20 |
| twomoon | but you gotta compare it to other economies | 10:20 |
| IronY | he is hoping companies step up and do the right thing | 10:20 |
| aradesh | mefistofeles: you think it's effective? | 10:20 |
| IronY | which is great of him | 10:20 |
| IronY | but if they dont | 10:20 |
| mefistofeles | aradesh: nah, just joking | 10:20 |
| IronY | he will, and he should | 10:20 |
| twomoon | irony: he ain't gonna use his powers bro | 10:20 |
| aradesh | vodka is a good disinfectant | 10:20 |
| IronY | twomoon: I know more about your political system then you seem to and I am not a resident of your country so excuse me if I do not take your opinions | 10:20 |
| aradesh | probably the shop was out of cleaning products | 10:20 |
| twomoon | irony he isn't just hoping. he is making absolutely sure that solution for this disaster comes from 'the free market' | 10:20 |
| IronY | 60% of your population did not even know how your electoral system worked until 4 years ago | 10:21 |
| mefistofeles | vodka is around 40%, so it's not effective, aradesh | 10:21 |
| mefistofeles | feel free to leave the individual politics discussion out of this | 10:21 |
| twomoon | you brought it up mefistofeles =/ "US economy is fragile" | 10:22 |
| aradesh | mefistofeles: not effective at all in the absense of anything else? | 10:22 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: that's not individual | 10:22 |
| mefistofeles | but the fact of IronY claiming to know more than you and all that, is not welcome | 10:23 |
| twomoon | i don't know what makes something individual or general | 10:23 |
| twomoon | ok | 10:23 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: he did not know what the war measures act was far | 10:23 |
| IronY | that is not a claim | 10:23 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 10:23 |
| IronY | that is now an established fact | 10:23 |
| aradesh | what's this? US government and trump? | 10:23 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, who cares? xD | 10:23 |
| IronY | "Trump is not going to use that yoh" is a claim ;) | 10:23 |
| mefistofeles | there's ##politics fwiw | 10:23 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: this is a covid discussion | 10:23 |
| IronY | you cannot have a global scale discussion where the people calling the shots are government officials without mentioning politics | 10:24 |
| IronY | but i get it | 10:24 |
| Albright | https://xkcd.com/2287/ | 10:24 |
| twomoon | you know redirecting ppl to other channels never works mefistofeles =) | 10:24 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: it has worked for me many times in the past, tbh | 10:24 |
| aradesh | but this is corona politics | 10:24 |
| IronY | ^ | 10:24 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: hah nice one | 10:25 |
| IronY | I mean, the bot literally pipes political stories into the channel every 10 mins | 10:25 |
| IronY | so it is a non debate | 10:25 |
| twomoon | lol | 10:25 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, I have complained about that as well | 10:25 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: the people who own the channel own the bot | 10:26 |
| mefistofeles | partially | 10:26 |
| IronY | at that point I would almost suggest ur best option is to start ur own channel and hope someone follows u to it where they can talk about a single topic without mentioning any other topic | 10:26 |
| mefistofeles | actually, just LjL owns the bot | 10:26 |
| IronY | i warn u now | 10:26 |
| IronY | ull be lonely | 10:26 |
| mefistofeles | heh, the IronY :) | 10:27 |
| IronY | ;) | 10:27 |
| twomoon | can i chat you up for web programing advice irony ? | 10:27 |
| Zalyssa | if you have the right equipment you can just distil vodka | 10:27 |
| IronY | twomoon: hustle I need to crash | 10:27 |
| mefistofeles | Zalyssa: that's true | 10:27 |
| Zalyssa | I know it's true | 10:27 |
| IronY | Zalyssa: I may of considered buying a moonshine still | 10:28 |
| Zalyssa | you need not tell me that | 10:28 |
| mefistofeles | Zalyssa: bah | 10:28 |
| twomoon | irony: ok, let u sleep. maybe tmrw | 10:28 |
| mefistofeles | Zalyssa: relax | 10:28 |
| mefistofeles | Zalyssa: you don't need to study chemistry for that xD | 10:28 |
| IronY | twomoon: appreciated, feel free to priv message, i catch up when I get back | 10:28 |
| Zalyssa | egal | 10:28 |
| twomoon | ok irony take it easy | 10:28 |
| IronY | if I do not come back, I built my own still, blew up, and am dead | 10:28 |
| twomoon | lol | 10:28 |
| Zalyssa | but yeah, just make up near 90%+ ethanol and you're good. you can just dilute it down to 70% so you have more to use too | 10:30 |
| Zalyssa | ideally one would determine the concentration but it seems like a lot of effort just to make cleaning products when you likely don't need them | 10:30 |
| twomoon | is ethanol edible? | 10:31 |
| Zalyssa | yes, it's drinking alcohol, but you really shouldn't drink highly concentrated solutions of it | 10:32 |
| sYN4P515 | anything is edible if you're brave enough | 10:32 |
| Zalyssa | ethanol is what's in every alcoholic drink | 10:32 |
| twomoon | they add ethanol to petro now | 10:33 |
| twomoon | kinda wasteful isn't it | 10:33 |
| mefistofeles | or get tratatea purple or gray | 10:34 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 10:34 |
| mefistofeles | tatratea* | 10:34 |
| twomoon | tatratea is something i've wanted to try | 10:35 |
| mefistofeles | I've tried the black and the purple, not the strongest one, though | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:30 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 36 new cases, 7 deaths: Starting Wednesday, China's National Health Commission will report data on asymptomatic cases under medical observation. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 10:35 |
| mefistofeles | nice, CHina really getting over it, :o | 10:36 |
| twomoon | always imagined it would be like drinking a lighter version of bitters | 10:36 |
| twomoon | i can't tell if you're being ironic or indicative | 10:37 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: well, I'm surprised, they really slowed this thing there | 10:38 |
| mefistofeles | like, fast... that's surprising | 10:38 |
| twomoon | it is surprising yeah | 10:38 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Hungary's emergency law 'incompatible with being in EU', say MEPs group - Hungary’s emergency law that enables the prime minister, Viktor Orbán, to rule by decree without time limits is incompatible with being in the EU, the European parliament’s liberal group said on Tuesday. (5012 votes) | 10:42 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/hungary-emergency-law-incompatible-with-being-in-eu-say-meps-group-viktor-orban | https://redd.it/fseb7x | 10:42 |
| sucaiking | can you tell me whether Trump said something new? | 10:45 |
| aradesh | this person is well-prepared http://i.4pcdn.org/tv/1584348480142.png | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:53 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 36 new cases, 7 deaths: Starting Wednesday, China's National Health Commission will report data on asymptomatic cases under medical observation. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 10:57 |
| Mikaela | https://fevermap.net/ has started being the first open source tracker that I am aware of | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Renzi : La gestione dell'emergenza non può essere affidato solo ai virologi. La riapertura deve essere graduale e prudente ma deve essere strategica. — from r/WorldNews at 09:14: Not long ago, Trump said that the coronavirus was just a flu. Now he's calling it a plague that will kill up to 240,000 Americans. → https://is.gd/Wzizxt | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:24 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Emma Bonino : Verificare 'con i tamponi tutti le persone anche asintomatiche che in queti giorni lavorano per rendere la nostra vita possibile' — from r/WorldNews at 09:24: Anger is growing at China over COVID-19 and its apparent cover-up attempt → https://is.gd/PbdkiK | 11:28 |
| darsie | If I'm reading this correctly - transmission by breathing, talking, singing. Maybe up to 8 m by coughing, sneezing: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-transmission.html | 11:34 |
| darsie | by symptomless people | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:33 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: death toll rises to 21 as ex-health professionals urged to rejoin workforce – latest update — from r/WorldNews at 09:33: Dozens of persons in Japan’s sex industry infected with coronavirus → https://is.gd/YLSAoC | 11:39 |
| woistdiesonne[m] | hey everyone...as there seems to be a shortage of masks i'd like to share this really nice howto diy-mask in spanish, english and german www.coronapartys.net/diy_masks.shtml | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +3486 cases (now 873032), +146 deaths (now 43281), +1966 recoveries (now 184481) — Switzerland: +1144 recoveries (now 2967) — Iran: +2988 cases (now 47593), +138 deaths (now 3036), +817 recoveries (now 15473) | 12:09 |
| Biep[m] | tinwhiskers: You probably know [this one](https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases), but as I just found it, I mention it to you. | 12:10 |
| romare | is there a decent mobile app to follow this thing? | 12:15 |
| woistdiesonne[m] | you mean riot.im? | 12:15 |
| BobCat | i suggest a web srowser | 12:15 |
| romare | woistdiesonne[m], no. an app to see the statistics | 12:16 |
| BobCat | oh my s sutton is btuck | 12:16 |
| romare | hi SosCat | 12:16 |
| romare | well srowsers are a bit slow on my phone | 12:17 |
| BobCat | blow or slow? | 12:17 |
| romare | b/slow/blow | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:15 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Indonesia set to open emergency hospital on uninhabited island: Indonesia will by next week open a new coronavirus emergency hospital on the uninhabited island of Galang, Reuters reported Wednesday — from r/WorldNews at 10:15: Dozens of persons in Japan’s sex industry infected with coronavirus → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 12:20 |
| skullomania | terrible movie | 12:25 |
| woistdiesonne[m] | <woistdiesonne[m] "hey everyone...as there seems to"> forgot, they advise to use torbrowser to visit the site :) | 12:29 |
| woistdiesonne[m] | they also have this really beautyfull poem on their startpage :) www.coronapartys.net | 12:30 |
| pwr22 | <Biep[m] "tinwhiskers: You probably know ["> Looks interesting | 12:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Indonesia set to open emergency hospital on uninhabited island: Indonesia will by next week open a new coronavirus emergency hospital on the uninhabited island of Galang, Reuters reported Wednesday [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/o9WPuY | 12:40 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Russia's top coronavirus doctor, who shook hands with Putin, tests positive (5000 votes) | 12:42 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.timesofisrael.com/russias-top-coronavirus-doctor-who-shook-hands-with-putin-tests-positive/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | https://redd.it/fsfwf1 | 12:42 |
| Dan[m]1 | %data Washington | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | Dan[m]1: In Washington, US, there are 5482 cases, 225 deaths (4.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of April 01, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 13:02 |
| python476 | o/ | 13:03 |
| mefistofeles | woah, Seattle really having a bad time | 13:04 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona king, wa | 13:06 |
| CoronaBot | King, Washington: Confirmed cases: 2,332, fatalities: 152, mortality: 6.52%. | 13:06 |
| mefistofeles | sYN4P515: oh, King having the worse part? | 13:08 |
| sYN4P515 | i'm not sure about geography, but i think seatlle is located in king county? | 13:08 |
| python476 | i stil don't fully get it but humidity and temp are again said to be a good thing https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3551767 | 13:09 |
| python476 | which would be an obvious good news | 13:10 |
| python476 | even though Campbell said there were reports that it would not be the case | 13:10 |
| python476 | oh btw, happy fools day | 13:11 |
| python476 | I hope you're all very fool | 13:11 |
| Birosso | %cases egypt | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Egypt, there are 710 cases, 46 deaths (6.5% of cases), 157 recoveries as of April 01, 11:16Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Egypt for time series data. | 13:28 |
| Birosso | %cases germany | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 72383 cases, 788 deaths (1.1% of cases), 16100 recoveries as of April 01, 11:16Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 13:28 |
| Blankspace | In Germany 788 deaths? | 13:29 |
| Blankspace | I heard it's only 19 | 13:29 |
| Blankspace | Yesterday | 13:30 |
| genera | were 600something yesterday i think | 13:30 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona de | 13:30 |
| CoronaBot | Germany: Global rank: #5, cases: 72,914 (+1,106), fatalities: 793 (+18), active cases: 56,021, total recovered: 16,100, in a serious condition: 2,675. Mortality: 1.09%, case fatality rate: 4.69%, cases/1M: 870.0, deaths/1M: 9.0. Case rate: 4,923/day, death rate: 130/day, 1st case: Jan 26. | 13:30 |
| CoronaBot | Delaware: State rank: #40, cases: 319, fatalities: 10, active cases: 287, mortality: 3.13%. | 13:30 |
| eaxomar | 775 according to graph | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:26 UTC: White House predicts 100,000 to 240,000 will die in US from coronavirus: President Donald Trump prepared Americans for a surge in coronavirus cases, saying the U.S. is facing a "very, very painful two weeks." [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4sYOgj | 13:31 |
| sYN4P515 | 793 according to worldometers | 13:31 |
| genera | https://ncov2019.live/ hints at 18 deaths in the past 24h | 13:40 |
| genera | https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Fallzahlen.html hints at 732 total | 13:44 |
| xrogaan | what do they mean by "today" | 13:48 |
| xrogaan | what is "today"? | 13:48 |
| xrogaan | Is it referring to UTC timezone, or local time? | 13:48 |
| xrogaan | I understand "last 24h", I don't understand "today". | 13:48 |
| sYN4P515 | worldometers resets daily stats at 4am GMT i think | 13:49 |
| sYN4P515 | (that's the source CoronaBot uses) | 13:49 |
| ubLIX | don't know what time Germany normally completes its report | 13:50 |
| sYN4P515 | so when it says +18 fatalities, that means there has been 18 fatalities since 4am gmt today | 13:50 |
| genera | the rki disusses that too. diagnosis is one date, report to Gesundheitsamt is a date, report to rki another | 13:50 |
| ubLIX | it is 11:50 GMT right now | 13:51 |
| xrogaan | I meant for ncov2019.live. Their tracker show "today" | 13:52 |
| xrogaan | not "last 24h" | 13:53 |
| sYN4P515 | who knows then | 13:53 |
| xrogaan | So today can mean "last 1 hours, since it's a new day" | 13:53 |
| sYN4P515 | better use CoronaBot :p | 13:53 |
| jiffe | I am a high schooler in Washington State, USA. | 13:53 |
| jiffe | probably based on pacific time | 13:54 |
| ubLIX | how is Washington right now? | 13:54 |
| ubLIX | tinwhiskers: offloop's recovered numbers for Washington State look odd; ie the same as the case numbers | 13:59 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona washington | 14:00 |
| CoronaBot | Washington: State rank: #8, cases: 5,482, fatalities: 225, active cases: 4,767, mortality: 4.10%. | 14:00 |
| sYN4P515 | i'm not sure there is a source for #recovered | 14:00 |
| sucaiking | !corona new york | 14:00 |
| CoronaBot | New York: State rank: #1, cases: 75,983, fatalities: 1,714, active cases: 69,294, mortality: 2.26%. | 14:00 |
| ubLIX | actually, tinwhiskers, this recovered/cases equality seems to be true for all the US states (or at least the half dozen i tried) | 14:02 |
| aradesh | iceland are doing well. 2 fatalities, 1135 positive tests | 14:03 |
| jiffe | so how is china stopping the import of new coronavirus cases since it sounds like they were relaxing their restrictions.. all it takes is one case to slip by their hands.. | 14:03 |
| jiffe | yeah I haven't seen any US recovery data beyond country granularity | 14:07 |
| jiffe | I think I did a couple weeks ago, at least when JHU was showing by state rather than county | 14:07 |
| sYN4P515 | CoronaBot supports county data | 14:07 |
| sYN4P515 | !corona new york city, ny | 14:08 |
| CoronaBot | New York City, New York: Confirmed cases: 38,087, fatalities: 914, mortality: 2.40%. | 14:08 |
| jiffe | oh covidly does show by state | 14:08 |
| jiffe | well some states | 14:08 |
| sucaiking | jiffe:they just quarantine everyone for 14 days...? | 14:09 |
| aradesh | well not many people are travelling globally right now | 14:09 |
| aradesh | i would imagine the number of people arriving into china every day is very low at the moment? | 14:09 |
| Albright | Sargon makes another good vid, this one about the WHO's toadying up to the CCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BnPMRPqz4 | 14:11 |
| sucaiking | aradesh: at present? around 4000 per day(entering from Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou) | 14:11 |
| jiffe | what about land travel | 14:12 |
| ketas | what about time travel | 14:13 |
| sucaiking | land travel:idk | 14:14 |
| sucaiking | time travel: sancheck before counting :p | 14:14 |
| jiffe | just seems like its an incredibly difficult thing to control | 14:14 |
| jiffe | even for china | 14:15 |
| sYN4P515 | offtop: really good series about time travel: DarK | 14:15 |
| sYN4P515 | it's on netflix | 14:15 |
| aradesh | jiffe: hmm | 14:15 |
| ketas | hmm | 14:15 |
| ketas | sYN4P515: looks... good | 14:16 |
| sYN4P515 | it is VERY good | 14:16 |
| sYN4P515 | i really hope s03 won't be delayed for long | 14:17 |
| ubLIX | Albright: that channel seems not even to pretend dispassion. Perhaps no more such links here please. | 14:17 |
| sucaiking | from our local website: 2934 confirmed, 3321 death (at present) in China | 14:17 |
| Albright | If by "dispassion" you mean "unbias," yes. Since when is opinion banned here? | 14:17 |
| ubLIX | what use is opinion to humanity? take a view, by all means, but opinion? what use is it? | 14:19 |
| Albright | Wow, are you a robot? | 14:19 |
| ubLIX | petition LjL for your unquiet | 14:20 |
| sucaiking | Albright: if you're asking me, then I'm a human and I just made a search | 14:20 |
| xrogaan | <sucaiking> jiffe:they just quarantine everyone for 14 days...? | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | That means *everyone*. | 14:21 |
| xrogaan | And quarantine is no "muf freedoms!" quarantine. It's you stay the fuck home, we being you food. | 14:22 |
| xrogaan | That's how the CCP did put a stop to the outbreak. Anybody coming back into China is in forced quarantine, at their own expense. | 14:23 |
| xrogaan | When you read "relaxing their restrictions" that means that instead of being able to go out once per week, you then go out once every 3 days. Only one member per household though. | 14:25 |
| xrogaan | They also track everybody through a smartphone app thingy with QR code, and temperature scan everybody going in shops to buy stuff. | 14:27 |
| sucaiking | in small communities with no local infected individual, we can go out freely with a mask and a 'healthy code'. | 14:28 |
| sucaiking | in big cities temperature check is more often | 14:28 |
| xrogaan | Yeah, more people in big cities too. It's a function of the density of population. | 14:29 |
| xrogaan | They also have a credit score and rehabilitation camps, my guess is those helps too. | 14:32 |
| xrogaan | s/credit/social credit/ | 14:32 |
| ubLIX | xrogaan: what about social credit systems and rehabilitation camps are helpful? | 14:36 |
| ubLIX | if i'm reading you right, this is the first time i've encountered a private individual who thinks social credit is a good idea. i hope by rehabilitation camp that you mean medical convalescence. | 14:40 |
| oriba | highest testing rate per capita is done be iceland. | 14:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:40 UTC: Coronavirus could be final straw for EU, European experts warn: Leaders warned that if division prevails, the pandemic will be more destructive than the Brexit, migration and bailout crises — from r/WorldNews at 12:40: Trump warns of 'painful two weeks' as officials predict up to 240,000 US coronavirus deaths → https://is.gd/DHQYWQ | 14:44 |
| rajrajraj | Father sneezing | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:52 UTC: (news): US companies cut 27,000 jobs before the worst of the coronavirus shutdown hit, ADP report shows [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hn3sXS | 14:56 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +703 cases (now 878295), +28 deaths (now 43581), +2 recoveries (now 185066) — Switzerland: +532 cases (now 17137), +28 deaths (now 461) — Bosnia and Herzegovina: +4 cases (now 455), +2 recoveries (now 19) | 15:07 |
| xrogaan | did ubLIX left? Never said those things were helpful, just that they were a tool used by the local gov. | 15:14 |
| xrogaan | Well, if "helps" the government. | 15:15 |
| xrogaan | We have to use penal threat in Belgium, for those of us who just don't want to stay inside. | 15:15 |
| xrogaan | I don't see the CCP way as a good way in any way, wouldn't want to live there. | 15:16 |
| rajrajraj | I m getting worried | 15:38 |
| rajrajraj | My parents have cold | 15:38 |
| python476 | rajrajraj: fever ? stomach pain ? | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Virus hits spring home sellers, Spain suffers highest death toll yet [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 15:40 |
| pokiehl | I thought I was already afraid, but now that my partner said he's been coughing since yesterday night has me worried. | 15:40 |
| rajrajraj | python476: fever they had but they took medicine to control it | 15:41 |
| rajrajraj | From today its cold | 15:42 |
| pokiehl | Cold as in sneezes and runny nose? | 15:42 |
| rajrajraj | pokiehl: yes | 15:44 |
| xrogaan | I had a cold like feeling cold. Next day I was feeling hot. | 15:44 |
| xrogaan | that was one or two weeks ago. | 15:44 |
| rajrajraj | xrogaan: and then? | 15:44 |
| pokiehl | How often does corona cause rhinorrhea? | 15:45 |
| xrogaan | Throat thingy, runny nose, cough (due to the throat thingy). Wake up in the middle of the night covered in sweat. Then it went away. | 15:45 |
| xrogaan | Got a case of bad flu I guess. | 15:45 |
| rajrajraj | pokiehl: I don't know | 15:46 |
| dunnp | https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections?fbclid=IwAR1v7F2C2XSOqP6akWaMD61zwOn0fLzBaD_Y3oGoiJNhAoYkMy91Yi7u0Co | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | You need to be worried if your symptoms get worse. | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | Otherwise, you'll fine. | 15:47 |
| xrogaan | Don't expose others though, keep inside and all. | 15:47 |
| pokiehl | Yeah, it could be a mild infection, or not be covid at all | 15:47 |
| pokiehl | I hope they get better soon rajrajraj | 15:47 |
| rajrajraj | pokiehl: thanks | 15:48 |
| rajrajraj | xrogaan ok | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | have your parents contact their GP | 15:49 |
| iz | the other thing i heard was covid19 will feel like it's coming more from your chest and lungs vs your head/sinuses.. esp when trying to figure out if it's just allergies or something else | 15:51 |
| iz | something dr fauci said on desus and mero | 15:52 |
| xrogaan | pokiehl: if your partner began to cough and it is covid19, you probably have it too by now. No panic needed, just be aware of your own condition and your partner's. If it's only a cough, it's probably not covid | 15:52 |
| iz | yeah, fauci also said covid19 will also tend to have body aches and be more than just a cough | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | iz: doesn't it start on the upper end, then go down as the disease progress? Goes pretty fast, a week or so. | 15:53 |
| pokiehl | xrogaan: we were together for two whole weeks and I haven't presented symptoms. | 15:54 |
| pokiehl | This monday he had to leave my place and go back to his because of work | 15:54 |
| xrogaan | once you get the disease, it can take up to two weeks for it to incubate. | 15:54 |
| iz | idk, i'm just repeating what he said about the difference between covid19 infection and allergies.. he also said it's more similar to the common cold, but will tend to have body ache symptoms and feel like it's coming more from chest | 15:54 |
| xrogaan | It feels like influenza, joint ache and all, then gets worse after a week as it progress in your organs, lungs included. | 15:56 |
| iz | xrogaan: 12:13 < Delf> My lack of comprehension for it only defines my ability to comprehend, not the universe itself, does it? | 15:56 |
| iz | whoops | 15:56 |
| iz | xrogaan: https://youtu.be/jE3GT9gR1mQ?t=177 | 15:57 |
| pokiehl | I think I might have had coronavirus on january | 15:57 |
| pokiehl | Mild case, but it went through my rspiratory and digestive | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:57 UTC: Comcast CEO Brian Roberts pledges $500 million for employees whose jobs are impacted by coronavirus: Comcast pledged $500 million to employees whose jobs have been affected by coronavirus. CEO Brian Roberts and other senior leaders are donating their annual salaries to coronavirus-related charities. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LE6Fs3 | 16:01 |
| xrogaan | pokiehl: difficulties to breath? As in difficult to catch your breath after moving around? | 16:03 |
| IronY | xrogaan: difficulty breathing is at the very end of the mild spectrum | 16:04 |
| IronY | last infograph I saw said 73% of patients who made it into a hospital reported it | 16:04 |
| xrogaan | ok | 16:05 |
| xrogaan | dunnp: "The model assumes continued social distancing until the end of May 2020." < as I understand what happens in the US, the graph isn't correlated with reality. | 16:06 |
| xrogaan | I would love for them to do a graph without social distancing. | 16:07 |
| dunnp | xrogaan: what do you mean? most places are on lock down | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +806 cases (now 885547), +31 deaths (now 44212), +16 recoveries (now 185195) — US: +780 cases (now 189661), +31 deaths (now 4097), +16 recoveries (now 7267) — Austria: +19 cases (now 10501) | 16:20 |
| LjL | IronY, mefistofeles: you're almost out of my backscroll so i miss some context right now, but since i was highlighted: politics around and about COVID-19 are fine here, and that's a conscious decision i've made despite politics inevitably getting touchy, because i like to experience pain, i think... but also because i think politics is very important to the reactions to COVID-19 and shouldn't be ignored. at the same time, i can't have back and forths like | 16:23 |
| LjL | the one about Trump the other days... i didn't even need to read the details to know that didn't belong here. IronY stopped when i asked for the third time, fructose unfortunately didn't, so now we have one less person who can share their thought, which is not really something i love. the bot, the bot spouts out news from many sources, and while i'd have no idea how to create a "no-political-output feature" for it, i also have no *intention* to. having a | 16:23 |
| LjL | channel like this have a policy of "no politics" is something i consider personally legitimate, but i have also a rationale for pursuing something different. | 16:23 |
| IronY | +1 | 16:38 |
| IronY | morning | 16:38 |
| LjL | yeah, afternoon, but i woke up a bit too late. just a bit. which might explain my cold sore. | 16:39 |
| python476 | o/ | 16:40 |
| IronY | I somehow did a sleep from 1pm to 8pm, awake from 8pm to 4am, sleep from 4am to 9am | 16:41 |
| IronY | I have not messed up and reverted a sleeping schedule so much in my life | 16:41 |
| LjL | yeah how about we all try to sleep at reasonable hours | 16:41 |
| LjL | i'll start | 16:41 |
| LjL | i'll... try to start | 16:41 |
| IronY | lol | 16:41 |
| bin_bash | i go to sleep at midnight and sleep until 8am | 16:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: TSA screenings drop to 10-year low, Spain suffers highest death toll yet — from r/WorldNews at 14:38: More Than 350,000 People Fined For Breaking Lockdown Rules In France. → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 16:42 |
| IndoAnon | LjL: dude, have you try siesta or other multi-phasic sleep? | 16:43 |
| aradesh | oof. 563 recorded deaths in the last 24 hours here in the UK | 16:43 |
| IndoAnon | it's better than being monophasic | 16:43 |
| LjL | IndoAnon, i've tried sleeping in the afternoon on days when i've really been meh... but then when i wake up my body no longers even knows whether it's day or night | 16:43 |
| IndoAnon | LoL... sleep for multiple of 90 minutes. Also, set alarm | 16:44 |
| LjL | ugh alarms. why 90? does it give me time to get out of REM or something? | 16:45 |
| LjL | but also i'd need something that knows when i'm falling asleep to have an alarm after exactly 90 minutes! i don't fall asleep easily | 16:45 |
| LjL | i sort of do have something like that though | 16:45 |
| LjL | except it doesn't have that feature of "wake me n minutes after falling asleep". i'd like to have it. i may do something crazy and submit a PR :P | 16:46 |
| IndoAnon | yeah, the rem and stuff... I fell less groggy when sleeping in multiples of 90 minutes | 16:46 |
| pwr22 | <IndoAnon "LjL: dude, have you try siesta o"> I seem to sleep biphasically now | 16:46 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "ugh alarms. why 90? does it give"> Me either :( | 16:46 |
| pwr22 | I prefer to not use alarms and wake naturally | 16:46 |
| pwr22 | Much less unpleasant | 16:46 |
| LjL | ultimately the thing is that i'm an idiot | 16:47 |
| LjL | i had this cold sore yesterday already | 16:47 |
| LjL | i could easily have gone to sleep a *little* earlier than usual | 16:47 |
| LjL | but instead i managed to stare at the computer until past 5am anyway | 16:47 |
| IndoAnon | that's like me in my college days | 16:48 |
| IndoAnon | lecture is 08XX, looking at web to much, and it's already 2900. Resort to 90 minutes sleep | 16:49 |
| IndoAnon | *too | 16:49 |
| pwr22 | Hmm, looks like we might get to 1M cases in the next 24h? | 16:56 |
| suaefar[m] | I would like to see more predictions on what to expect the next days. | 17:01 |
| suaefar[m] | That is why I extrapolate the number of deceased for the JHU data each day. | 17:01 |
| suaefar[m] | https://github.com/suaefar/covid-19-deceased-prediction | 17:01 |
| suaefar[m] | US and UK going strong | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:00 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Ryan McCarthy su Twitter: "On Mar. 13, Trump trotted out the CEOS of Walmart, Target and CVS in a press conference and promised a public-private partnership would deliver mass drive-thru testing for the public. Only 5 locations have opened and *zero* are open to the public https://t.co/InPQ9Z91Qu" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/7M3fPz | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: TSA screenings drop to 10-year low, Spain suffers highest death toll yet — from r/WorldNews at 15:10: Iceland lab's testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases have no symptoms → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 17:14 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Taiwan to donate 10 million masks to virus-affected countries (5119 votes) | 17:22 |
| CoronaBot | https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202004010006 | https://redd.it/fsryv0 | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Over 1,000 NYC police contract COVID-19, TSA screenings at 10-year low — from r/WorldNews at 15:21: Iceland lab's testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases have no symptoms → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 17:24 |
| IronY | my trip outdoors today saw a lot less people | 17:31 |
| IronY | was able to pick up propane and a large bulk order of prepared meals with interaction at a distance of a total of two humanz | 17:31 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Taiwan and Australia have reached an agreement in which the two countries will exchange raw materials desperately needed to battle the coronavirus. Australia will provide 1 million liters of alcohol for disinfectant, Taiwan to send 3 metric tons of mask fabric (5103 votes) | 17:34 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3907578 | https://redd.it/fsyo16 | 17:34 |
| LjL | %title https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From edition.cnn.com: Iceland lab testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases are asymptomatic - CNN | 17:34 |
| LjL | i can agree with Iceland's approach and statements there | 17:35 |
| LjL | but... how actually close to randomized do you think that testing was? | 17:35 |
| LjL | in my book telling people they *can* come to get tested even if they are asymptomatic is not quite the same as taking a random sample of people and testing them all | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:32 UTC: (news): Wimbledon 2020 tennis championships canceled due to coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 15:32: 28 College Students Who Chartered A Spring Break Plane To Mexico Now Have Coronavirus → https://is.gd/0Gakk3 | 17:36 |
| jacklsw | no more tennis to watch :( | 17:37 |
| term99 | thank god | 17:38 |
| jacklsw | wait for 2021 season to come | 17:38 |
| term99 | i have tried to watch it a few times but its just boring as hell | 17:39 |
| bin_bash | lolol | 17:39 |
| term99 | kinda like bowling, i would rather watch kids play than adults, put the bumper bars up and have at it | 17:41 |
| jacklsw | one man's meat is another man's poison | 17:41 |
| term99 | so true jacklsw | 17:41 |
| jacklsw | i won't enjoy NFL and NBA | 17:41 |
| term99 | same, im glad they canceled march madness bs | 17:42 |
| jacklsw | btw, term99 and bin_bash are you guys related? :p | 17:43 |
| bin_bash | no | 17:43 |
| jacklsw | terminal: /bin/bash | 17:43 |
| jacklsw | lol | 17:43 |
| bin_bash | im only the shells :D | 17:43 |
| term99 | i love cli | 17:44 |
| term99 | if [ ! -z $covid ]; then echo w00t ; else echo damn ; fi | 17:46 |
| term99 | i think thats right | 17:46 |
| pyna | just [ "$covid" ] is fine | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Over 1,000 NYC police contract COVID-19, TSA screenings at 10-year low — from r/WorldNews at 15:43: 28 College Students Who Chartered A Spring Break Plane To Mexico Now Have Coronavirus → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 17:46 |
| IronY | i just had theater tickets rescheduled from may to nov | 17:47 |
| IronY | I guess there optimistic lol | 17:47 |
| IronY | Brainstorm: that last headline though | 17:49 |
| IronY | I can see it now "We are not supposed to get viurses, we are rich enough to charter planes, this is so unfair" | 17:49 |
| IndoAnon | lol | 17:50 |
| Jigsy | >British American Tobacco working on plant-based coronavirus vaccine | 17:50 |
| blkshp | the irony | 17:51 |
| Jigsy | I'm assuming this is an April Fools' Prank. If not, well, it wouldn't surprise me that their solution would be to increase their profits. | 17:51 |
| IronY | Nada blkshp, got some propane and a shit ton of M&M meat shop boxes today to fill the new freezer | 17:51 |
| IronY | u | 17:51 |
| LjL | yesterday someone was saying there is some hints that tobacco smoke may be *protective*. that seems very unlikely to me based on other findings, but it just goes to say... it seems like anything that is found to be good for COVID is also found to be bad, and vice versa. i guess it's like this for most new things (and some old) | 17:52 |
| IronY | LjL: Kinda makes sense in a weird way | 17:52 |
| bin_bash | lol that used to be the story | 17:52 |
| bin_bash | smoking protects your lungs | 17:52 |
| bin_bash | (it doesnt) | 17:52 |
| Jigsy | I'd rather catch COVID-19 than develop Lung Cancer. | 17:52 |
| IronY | bin_bash: Nope, but it does coat ur lungs and produces its own productive expectorant | 17:52 |
| blkshp | IronY: i actually went as far as to type your name wondering why! it took to the n to realise :) | 17:53 |
| LjL | well, there is evidence that if you're an ex-smoker, your chances are worse than an active smoker's. that's not the same as smoke itself being protective though | 17:53 |
| IronY | Oh no people who have never smoked are still winning | 17:53 |
| LjL | (the mechanism of action being you have more ACE2 receptors than non-smokers and fewer of them are already taken up, unlike active smokers) | 17:53 |
| IronY | LjL: I just like thinking there is an off chance that a droplet would be collected in the sticky goup we already caught up | 17:54 |
| LjL | press conference time soooon | 17:55 |
| IronY | "Starting noon Wednesday, the general public is banned from travelling into western Quebec." | 17:55 |
| IronY | oh snap | 17:55 |
| IronY | our first domestic ban | 17:55 |
| IronY | https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-gatineau-bridge-border-1.5517240 | 17:56 |
| LjL | my left speaker is buzzing without emitting actual audio :| | 17:56 |
| IronY | our local health unit confirmed social distancing is working | 17:57 |
| IronY | we keep going up like , 4, 5 confirmations a day | 17:57 |
| IronY | rather then doubling every 3 | 17:57 |
| IronY | (city wide) | 17:57 |
| LjL | %cases Ontario | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Ontario, Canada, there are 1966 cases, 33 deaths (1.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of April 01, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ontario for time series data. | 17:57 |
| LjL | %cases Quebec | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Quebec, Canada, there are 4162 cases, 31 deaths (0.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of April 01, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Quebec for time series data. | 17:57 |
| oxalis | Can we make WFH and social distancing the "new normal..." PLEASE? | 17:57 |
| IronY | LjL: 70% of that 1966 is Toronto | 17:57 |
| IronY | Toronto == Canadas NYC | 17:58 |
| LjL | IronY, yeah it's often different in big cities | 17:58 |
| IronY | oxalis: I have made that the new normal for years | 17:58 |
| IronY | oxalis: but now everyones normal is my normal for the first time in history | 17:58 |
| LjL | IronY, check this Germany map https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4 a couple of cities like Berlin and Hamburg are free cities, meaning they are their own state, so data are separate from the surrounding state | 17:59 |
| LjL | and the difference is stark | 17:59 |
| IronY | berlin is a city state!? | 17:59 |
| IronY | til | 17:59 |
| oxalis | Think about how much less pollution and traffic there is! | 17:59 |
| IronY | wow (re map) | 17:59 |
| LjL | oxalis, the whole "it's pollution's fault" thing though is... uhm... has there ever been any evidence of that apart from doctors that made the supposition? | 18:00 |
| LjL | Lombardy has 394 deaths today (apparently somewhat constant with yesterday's) | 18:02 |
| LjL | 6800 tests done, 1655 positive (in Lombardy i assume, the national total should be much higher) | 18:03 |
| IronY | https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/solo-sailor-at-sea-for-178-days-has-isolation-advice-for-us-all-during-covid-19-crisis-1.5513022 | 18:03 |
| LjL | he says it's less positives than yesterday, percentually | 18:03 |
| IronY | imagine accidentally being out to sea and missing a pandemic | 18:03 |
| IronY | lol | 18:04 |
| LjL | imagine being on the ISS | 18:04 |
| IronY | That would be both reassuring and scary as f | 18:04 |
| LjL | Veneto is security a "rapid" antibody test for IgG and IgM | 18:04 |
| LjL | (this is not from the press conference yet, it hasn't begun, just the news) | 18:05 |
| LjL | Veneto is doing good | 18:05 |
| LjL | lots of testing, lots of effective containment | 18:05 |
| LjL | Lombardy... well. | 18:05 |
| LjL | ugh, two buildings collapsed due to a gas leak | 18:06 |
| LjL | this happens a bit too often in Italy | 18:06 |
| LjL | (and it's not even being talked about in the news, i just saw it in the small text at the bottom) | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1076 cases (now 888114), +27 deaths (now 44286), +306 recoveries (now 185584) — US: +663 cases (now 190919), +18 deaths (now 4131), +103 recoveries (now 7377) — Georgia (US), US: +521 cases (now 4638), +14 deaths (now 139) | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:05 UTC: (news): Wimbledon 2020 tennis championships canceled due to coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 16:05: One million PC owners combine their GPU power to fight COVID-19 → https://is.gd/0Gakk3 | 18:08 |
| yuriwho | looks like CDC and Fauci may start recommending for people to wear masks. So make your own if you can. | 18:11 |
| LjL | yuriwho, i'll be curious to hear how the phrase it to make it seem sensible that they recommended against it before | 18:12 |
| LjL | press conference starting | 18:12 |
| BobCat | he said it was a good idea already | 18:12 |
| BobCat | he just didn't say it officially | 18:12 |
| LjL | featuring a pediatrician today | 18:12 |
| LjL | total positive: 80572, +2937 | 18:12 |
| BobCat | I have been wearing gloves and mask since March 7 | 18:12 |
| LjL | 4035 in ICU, 28403 in hospital, 48134 (60%) at home | 18:12 |
| yuriwho | LjL: I guess the IgG testing in Veneto is to assess community penetration when it spreads freely? | 18:13 |
| IronY | i still have a N95, wore it today, last time I wore it was over 2 weeks ago | 18:13 |
| BobCat | I have dozens of n95 aand a hundred gloves left | 18:13 |
| LjL | +727 fatalities | 18:13 |
| LjL | 16847 recoveries total, +1118 | 18:13 |
| IronY | BobCat: Maybe dont let people know that | 18:13 |
| LjL | 103 patients moved from lombardy, +7 | 18:13 |
| BobCat | I also am known for my lethal home defense... | 18:13 |
| LjL | yuriwho, i think so, Veneto has gone strongly in that direction | 18:13 |
| LjL | some patients transfered to Germany but i missed the number | 18:14 |
| IronY | BobCat: That will work for looters, not for the government who may want your stock pile of n95 masks | 18:14 |
| LjL | 12986 volunteers are available total | 18:14 |
| LjL | 786 pre-triage tents, 151 in prisons | 18:14 |
| python476 | "In the last 2 weeks, the Coronavirus emergency room in Parma (Italy) had over 50 patients. Today, for the first time since it was set up, the room is empty" | 18:15 |
| python476 | https://parma.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/31/foto/coronavirus_dopo_settimane_il_pronto_soccorso_covid_e_vuoto_-_foto-252755699/1/ | 18:15 |
| IronY | I am super excited for the first BBQ of the season this evening | 18:16 |
| IronY | it is nice to have something to look forward to | 18:16 |
| IronY | it feels like it has been a long time... | 18:16 |
| LjL | python476, yeah i keep hearing about "less pressure" on ICUs are ERs, including from direct reports by people i know | 18:16 |
| LjL | i hope it's true | 18:16 |
| IronY | LjL: I assume u guys burned through a lot of the at risk population :/ | 18:17 |
| LjL | IronY, next year's median age won't be the same as this year's "second highest in the world" median age, i can strongly suspect that | 18:17 |
| BobCat | IronY I stocked up on corned beef to bbq when it was on sale, all the panic buyers bought all the chicken even though the cb was $1.59/lb | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:17 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "Three European countries that took a laissez-faire, "herd immunity' approach to coronavirus early on, the UK, the Netherlands and Sweden, are paying the price for it. They reported, respectively, 563, 134 and 59 deaths today. https://t.co/9fFIJJjqhz" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Edv3vI | 18:19 |
| LjL | question: the scientific committee is considering giving children one hour outside each day. isn't that... going counter the advice to stay home? | 18:19 |
| BobCat | I smoke the corned beef and then boil it | 18:19 |
| LjL | answer: what the ministry actually said refers to currently existing restrictions, so those aren't being changed, they're just pointing out what you can do | 18:19 |
| BobCat | Survive in style | 18:20 |
| LjL | the scientific committee haven't deliberated anything, but it's okay to start considering a number of possible situations for the future, and listen to the complaints from various associations | 18:20 |
| IronY | so you have reached proactive vs reactive state | 18:21 |
| IronY | that is good news! | 18:21 |
| LjL | today unless i've somehow missed (but i don't think i have) they have not stated the delta of positives at all, even in their usual tricky way that subtracts recoveries and deaths | 18:21 |
| LjL | question: we've talked about reaching the peak since about two days, but can we really talk about a peak? i say this because for instance in Sicily, they're starting to prepare for Easter communally, while authorities say to stay home or we'll start counting deaths in Sicily too | 18:23 |
| Drac[m] | my employer just went through furlough today. half the staff are home, the rest of us are pushing (medical) spare parts out the door as quick as the trucks can turn up. definitely a beer o'clock moment. | 18:23 |
| LjL | answer: you all (journalists) can help us tell people that nothing changed since the last emergency home: stay home, it must be clear to everyone. we can wish that something will change in the future, but when that happens there will be a new law. | 18:24 |
| LjL | "are we at the peak or not?" is an argument that does not interest me. the situation is, although it's not reassuring to say it, of an emergency, like a war, and we must strictly respect the restriction | 18:25 |
| LjL | we have a constitution that says we must protect health as a primary good | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | <Drac[m] "my employer just went through fu"> What sort of company do you work for? | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | I wish I could be furloughed atm (going through mental health stuff) but alas as a software engineer I'm basically expected to work remote | 18:25 |
| LjL | question: there's little more than 200 new hospitalized today, same with ICU. is the situation objectively improving, or is it more that strategies for hospitalization are changing? is it now the time to make regions with less difficulties help the regions in trouble? | 18:26 |
| IronY | pwr22: I somehow ended up keeping both my jobs (wfh) and I would also rather just be laid off | 18:26 |
| Drac[m] | <pwr22 "What sort of company do you work"> electro-mechanical engineering. medical, aerospace, custom etc. the medical side has been ramped up but quite frankly we're up to our eyeballs in parts, we just need to get them out the door | 18:26 |
| LjL | answer: these data can be interpreted as affirming the route taken is good. it confirms we must continue in that direction. they are signals that are evaluated carefully, and which represent what we wished for, but we must not relax anything. | 18:27 |
| LjL | question: you said ffp2 masks that were delivered today were for regular people, not doctors... why? the population doesn't need ffp2, do they? | 18:27 |
| LjL | also question: why are tests not being made on certain people who are ill? are they just considered "certainly covid patients" without even testing? | 18:27 |
| LjL | answer: about the masks, it said on the packaging "FFP2, KN95" but in reality they were not FFP2 masks, so in reality they are okay for the general population but not for doctors. this is why we apologized to the Union of Medical Doctors, and we will deliver actual FFP2 masks in the coming days. | 18:28 |
| LjL | answer about tests: they are done only when there are apparent symptoms, shortness of breath, and under this view, there can be mildly symptomatic people who don't get tests. | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:24 UTC: /u/slakmehl: McClatchyDC su Twitter: "Coronavirus is now the third leading cause of death in the US, doctor says https://t.co/imiXgAQcs9" — from r/WorldNews at 16:24: Disney Parks Donate 100,000 N95 Masks to Hospitals Amid Pandemic → https://is.gd/sEKQGv | 18:29 |
| LjL | doctor says: yes, we can reassure that tests are definitely done for people who need it. if you are denied a test, it means you don't need it. | 18:29 |
| LjL | doctor says in response to question: having just fever is not enough to qualify for getting tested. there are phone numbers to call, and you can call your GP, and if the GP sees conditions justifying testing (like shortness of breath), they can decide on testing | 18:30 |
| BobCat | frankly, getting a test changes nothing, you're sick, there's no cure | 18:30 |
| LjL | BobCat, getting a test if you're asymptomatic would mean that you are quarantined and your contacts are traced | 18:30 |
| LjL | that seemed to work very well for Korea, Veneto and other places | 18:31 |
| LjL | so i'm not feeling great about what they just said | 18:31 |
| BobCat | yes but we are way past tracing contacts | 18:31 |
| BobCat | that works for small outbreaks | 18:31 |
| LjL | question: doctors say "we must decide who to save", so i'm afraid that the smaller number of people in ICUs may not be positive, but simply show we're out of bed. does it? | 18:31 |
| LjL | BobCat, not true, Korea had 7000 positives | 18:31 |
| LjL | that's not small | 18:32 |
| BobCat | 7000 is very small | 18:32 |
| LjL | i mean, they have more now, but that's roughly when their curve started flattening | 18:32 |
| LjL | nonsense | 18:32 |
| LjL | when we had 7000 in italy, it was considered huge | 18:32 |
| LjL | it's a lot hugER now because that's how exponential things go | 18:32 |
| balaa[m] | Tracing still needs to happen | 18:32 |
| LjL | where they tested a lot, it became less huge | 18:32 |
| LjL | just compare the amount of testing in Lombardy vs Veneto | 18:32 |
| LjL | and the outcome in number of patients there | 18:33 |
| BobCat | it's too late to stop it by tracing | 18:33 |
| LjL | Il Sole 24 Ore has these numbers, in the topic | 18:33 |
| balaa[m] | We are just lazy | 18:33 |
| LjL | answer: i have no information saying that people who needed ICU have been unable to get it | 18:33 |
| balaa[m] | If we are lucky this will become a small outbreak again | 18:33 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Malaysia’s government has apologised after its advice for women to wear makeup and not nag their husbands during the coronavirus lockdown (5017 votes) | 18:34 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/malaysian-government-apologises-over-coronavirus-lockdown-tips-for-women | https://redd.it/fso5dy | 18:34 |
| LjL | add-on question: ICU beds are not needed for just a couple of days for COVID patients, they need these beds for 2-4 weeks, so it's very important to keep the restrictions or ICUs can become a problem again | 18:34 |
| LjL | add-on answer, i mean | 18:34 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:34 |
| Drac[m] | the problem we're seeing is that a lot of our suppliers for materials are not considered "essential" so they've closed their doors, so we're running out of options to get medical parts made. it seems to be a tier system. Front line medical suppliers, then their suppliers who make parts (like me), then raw material supplies. it's making some things quite difficult though we have a selection of sources and we have a | 18:37 |
| Drac[m] | considerable stockpile to play with. we're doing ok, but getting parts out in a timely manner is starting to become an issue and i can't see that helping anyone | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +8688 cases (now 903266), +259 deaths (now 45321), +1169 recoveries (now 190638) — US: +8232 cases (now 199425), +245 deaths (now 4383), +1167 recoveries (now 8698) — New York, US: +7729 cases (now 83712), +227 deaths (now 1941) | 18:38 |
| yuriwho | Drac[m]: supply chain problems will only get worse | 18:40 |
| Drac[m] | they will. we've no problem in finding steel/plastic/rubber etc., business as usual, but that means nothing if we can't throw parts into a box and hold it down with tape which we can't buy at the moment. | 18:41 |
| Drac[m] | thankfully we stockpile on a 6-month basis, so that's ... not crucial at the moment | 18:42 |
| Birosso | "Malaysia’s government has apologised after its advice for women to wear makeup and not nag their husbands" | 18:42 |
| Birosso | Sounds reasonable to me. Why apologise? | 18:43 |
| Drac[m] | the good news is that since we don't want to spread uncessary germs, we're not allowed to throw in free Haribo to our favourite customers. My kids are getting sweets by the (sealed) boxload for the forseeable | 18:44 |
| IndoAnon | Birosso: because women did not think it's problematic | 18:48 |
| LjL | PM Conte will speak at 20:20 CEST tonight. I assume he's mainly going to say that the emergency laws will be extended to at least April 12, which is expected. | 18:50 |
| mefistofeles | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/25/science.abb4218.full | 18:50 |
| mefistofeles | really interesting, for accountability of China measures | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1104 cases (now 904370), +26 deaths (now 45347), +45 recoveries (now 190683) — US: +864 cases (now 200289), +11 deaths (now 4394), +9 recoveries (now 8707) — Pennsylvania, US: +844 cases (now 5805), +11 deaths (now 74) | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:51 UTC: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo to close NYC playgrounds as coronavirus death rate starts to climb — from r/WorldNews at 16:51: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/TZ0mDl | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases hit 885,000 as China's numbers reportedly come under fire by US intelligence — from r/WorldNews at 17:01: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +6533 cases (now 910903), +163 deaths (now 45510), +217 recoveries (now 190900) — US: +3559 cases (now 203848), +88 deaths (now 4482), +38 recoveries (now 8745) — Turkey: +2148 cases (now 15679), +63 deaths (now 277), +90 recoveries (now 333) | 19:06 |
| mefistofeles | that's a report of a report of a report | 19:07 |
| python476 | r3port | 19:07 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 19:07 |
| oxalis | LjL: I wasn't suggesting that pollution has anything to do with the cause of the pandemic -- I was referring to the lower pollution levels that are resulting from all the work-at-home, and shelter-in-place orders | 19:08 |
| LjL | oxalis, ah | 19:08 |
| BobCat | Greta must be so pleased | 19:09 |
| IronY | covid19 took her childhood | 19:09 |
| IronY | how dare it | 19:09 |
| BobCat | HOW DARE YOU!!! | 19:09 |
| BobCat | :) | 19:09 |
| mefistofeles | these arguments of seeing too many ash urns in funeral house don'tseem convincing to me | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:07 UTC: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo to close NYC playgrounds as coronavirus death rate starts to climb — from r/WorldNews at 17:07: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/TZ0mDl | 19:10 |
| python476 | COVI DAR-19U | 19:10 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, it's not like people are now exclusively dying of covid and that their relatives can go out to get their ashes | 19:11 |
| BobCat | they reall should have named it corvid-19... crow joke... | 19:11 |
| Drac[m] | quote the raven ... never more (than 2m) | 19:14 |
| IronY | Here I sit all week, I'm weary, typing on this black screen, a dreary, with covid numbers unlike those before, sitting rocking anxious mainly, threats of death described so plainly, covid, covid knocking on my office door | 19:16 |
| IronY | ;) | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases hit 885,000 as China's numbers reportedly come under fire by US intelligence — from r/WorldNews at 17:12: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 19:16 |
| Drac[m] | <IronY "Here I sit all week, I'm weary, "> oh ok, that's just made my day :) | 19:19 |
| BobCat | now you have to finish up the parody and tweet chain it | 19:20 |
| BobCat | or I will... that's a threat | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1197 cases (now 912100), +35 deaths (now 45545), +6 recoveries (now 190906) — US: +1187 cases (now 205035), +34 deaths (now 4516) — Louisiana, US: +1187 cases (now 6424), +34 deaths (now 273) | 19:21 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 110574 cases, 13155 deaths (11.9% of cases), 16847 recoveries as of April 01, 17:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:21 |
| LjL | %cases lombardy | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 44773 cases, 7593 deaths (17.0% of cases), 11415 recoveries as of April 01, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 19:21 |
| LjL | gah i know that death rate is "not real", but still every time i see it increase... | 19:22 |
| BobCat | Is there a pool to guess the millionth customer? | 19:22 |
| IronY | not real or not 17%!?! | 19:22 |
| IronY | %cases ontario | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: In Ontario, Canada, there are 1966 cases, 33 deaths (1.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of April 01, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ontario for time series data. | 19:22 |
| bin_bash | lol BobCat | 19:22 |
| BobCat | I could set up a website for a pool, will paypal allow wagering? | 19:23 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: true :( | 19:23 |
| BobCat | I have btc too | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:20 UTC: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo to close NYC playgrounds as coronavirus death rate starts to climb — from r/WorldNews at 17:20: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/TZ0mDl | 19:23 |
| IronY | I am sure someone invented covidcoin at this point | 19:23 |
| IronY | I dont want to look because I dont want to be right | 19:23 |
| LjL | IronY, not... you know, the usual "it's because they're testing only people who are very serious" thing, who knows, it's probably that way, but it's a very bad sign anyway | 19:23 |
| LjL | it means they can't take care of people with troublesome but "not yet serious enough" symptoms | 19:23 |
| BobCat | http://covidcoin.org/ | 19:24 |
| LjL | which matches with the fact i hear stories of people who go to the hospital, get sent back home, then come again later when they're dying | 19:24 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: but you know, that probably just means less and less testing over time | 19:24 |
| mefistofeles | (the death rate increasing) | 19:24 |
| mefistofeles | and all the ffects of hospitals collapsing, of course | 19:24 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, which in turn means that even if i see new cases decrease, and the government says we're past the peak, it may not be true at all... also not good | 19:24 |
| Drac[m] | with the ways business is running, we'll all have BTC by the end of my. | 19:25 |
| LjL | (also, despite today's "good" results for italy, Lombardy is actually going up slightly compared to yesterday) | 19:25 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: sure, but that's why the visualization I linked several times works | 19:25 |
| LjL | (and that is... most of it probably milan) | 19:25 |
| Drac[m] | may* | 19:25 |
| mefistofeles | https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/ here it is again | 19:25 |
| Drac[m] | oh there we go ... someone made a viruscoin. | 19:25 |
| mefistofeles | btw, I'm having Corona Pizza to day (not a joke) | 19:26 |
| BobCat | <IronY> Here I sit all week, I'm weary, typing on this black screen, a dreary, with covid numbers unlike those before, sitting rocking anxious mainly, threats of death described so plainly, covid, covid knocking on my office door | 19:26 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, it is in the resources page. so is covidly which python476 linked yesterday, it's actually the first tracker listed now, and it also has that visualization in its graphs tab. it's not like i'm ignoring it | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | *today | 19:26 |
| LjL | but no single graph tells the whole story | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ok | 19:26 |
| IronY | BobCat: Why do I have the feeling I am going to be a internet meme soon | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: thise one tells more, fwiw | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | you have to also check the death data, which shows a different trend | 19:27 |
| LjL | yeah deaths are more or less linear, and i get reports from lombard hospitals that there is less "pressure" on them | 19:27 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Diarrhea, nausea or vomiting may be first coronavirus symptoms in some patients. Some people may have the "gastrointestinal version" of COVID-19. (5031 votes) | 19:28 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.today.com/health/diarrhea-nausea-or-vomiting-may-be-first-coronavirus-symptoms-some-t177179 | https://redd.it/fswmhd | 19:28 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: A Chinese Millionaire and Prominent Gadfly of the Communist Party Has Vanished After Staging an Art Performance Criticizing Xi Jinping (5026 votes) | 19:28 |
| CoronaBot | https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ren-zhiqiang-missing-chinese-critic-artist-1820964/amp-page | https://redd.it/fspzag | 19:28 |
| LjL | BobCat, covidcoin's claims are ridiculous | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:24 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Governor of Florida, the last state with >5000 cases not currently under movement restrictions, finally signals willingness to adopt some measures. — from r/WorldNews at 17:24: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/AVpagA | 19:29 |
| mefistofeles | I should really try working a visualization out, tbh | 19:29 |
| mefistofeles | will see if I can come up with something in 30 mins | 19:29 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, if i run "that" visualization over deaths in italy, it's actually going up slightly after a mini-dip | 19:31 |
| LjL | i can do that with covidly.com | 19:31 |
| LjL | also lets you adjust new cases to make them different from "last week's cases" | 19:31 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: you mean the time window? | 19:33 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, yeah, although when i change it, i don't really see a visible difference | 19:33 |
| IronY | re that link dump from coronabot | 19:33 |
| IronY | https://www.today.com/health/diarrhea-nausea-or-vomiting-may-be-first-coronavirus-symptoms-some-t177179 | 19:33 |
| IronY | interesting read | 19:34 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: the graph is different, and it'snot the best one, imho | 19:34 |
| IronY | "These people may only later — or never — go on to develop respiratory issues and fever. They’re also diagnosed later than other patients, which means they may unknowingly spread the virus." | 19:34 |
| mefistofeles | that is, the graph from covidly | 19:34 |
| LjL | hmm i thought it looked very similar | 19:34 |
| LjL | well, without the animation | 19:34 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ah nvm, I wasn't seeing the correct one | 19:34 |
| mefistofeles | yes it's the same I think | 19:34 |
| LjL | just if i select 30 days then some countries just partly disappear, likely because it doesn't have all that data | 19:35 |
| LjL | but overall the graph doesn't get "rougher" or "smoother" | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:31 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Hong Kong riporta un incremento giornaliero di 65 casi di Covid-19 , ecco perché si teme una seconda ondata e vengono implementate nuove misure restrittive in Cina. — from r/WorldNews at 17:31: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/hKYWoK | 19:35 |
| LjL | %cases hong kong | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +549 cases (now 912649), +7 deaths (now 45552), +26 recoveries (now 190932) — Algeria: +1 cases (now 847), +15 recoveries (now 61) — Armenia: +1 deaths (now 4) | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Hong Kong, there are 765 cases, 4 deaths (0.5% of cases), 147 recoveries as of April 01, 17:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hong%20Kong for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 2.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 19:36 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: less than 7 it gets a bit noisy, specially for those with less cases | 19:36 |
| mefistofeles | I will try to make something, just to see if it tells anything | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases hit 885,000 as China's numbers reportedly come under fire by US intelligence — from r/WorldNews at 17:35: Dr Ai Fen, another Wuhan whistleblower doctor, disappeared after warning Chinese officials about coronavirus, 60 Minutes Australia reports → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +209 cases (now 912858), +1 deaths (now 45553), +893 recoveries (now 191825) — Denmark: +893 recoveries (now 894) — Algeria: +1 cases (now 847), +15 recoveries (now 61) | 19:51 |
| IronY | We choose to go to the Grocery Store. We choose to go to the Grocery Store in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too. | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:50 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Economia — from r/WorldNews at 17:50: Dr Ai Fen, another Wuhan whistleblower doctor, disappeared after warning Chinese officials about coronavirus, 60 Minutes Australia reports → https://is.gd/T7V9nR | 19:54 |
| LjL | what is the medical plausibility of the slight fear that me getting a cold sore means that the immune system is busy fighting something else (like covid-19)? | 19:55 |
| IronY | are u prone to cold soars | 19:57 |
| yn | https://blog.ircpuzzles.org/2020/04/2020-april-fools-live/ | 19:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:55 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Alle 20.20 conferenza stampa di Giuseppe Conte in diretta da Palazzo Chigi . — from r/WorldNews at 17:55: As COVID-19 rages, evangelical pastor organization is planning to contact and convert isolated indigenous groups in remote Amazon tribes → https://is.gd/owmqPD | 20:00 |
| LjL | %tr Alle 20.20 conferenza stampa di Giuseppe Conte in diretta da Palazzo Chigi | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: At 20.20 press conference by Giuseppe Conte live from Palazzo Chigi (MyMemory, Google) — To the 20.20 conference #print of Giuseppe *Conte in direct of Palace *Chigi (Apertium) | 20:06 |
| LjL | i was missing an address to the nation, we haven't had one in two days or so | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases hit 885,000 as China's numbers reportedly come under fire by US intelligence — from r/WorldNews at 17:59: As COVID-19 rages, evangelical pastor organization is planning to contact and convert isolated indigenous groups in remote Amazon tribes → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:07 UTC: (news): More than 1,000 New York City police officers have the coronavirus as 911 calls hit records — from r/WorldNews at 18:07: As COVID-19 rages, evangelical pastor organization is planning to contact and convert isolated indigenous groups in remote Amazon tribes → https://is.gd/x3Gkqa | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:15 UTC: (news): Global coronavirus cases will hit 1 million and 50,000 deaths in a few days, WHO officials say — from r/WorldNews at 18:15: China hid extent of coronavirus outbreak, US intelligence reportedly says → https://is.gd/CowO0K | 20:19 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +5606 cases (now 918464), +521 deaths (now 46074), +1507 recoveries (now 193332) — France: +4861 cases (now 56989), +509 deaths (now 4032), +1490 recoveries (now 10934) — Algeria: +1 cases (now 847), +15 recoveries (now 61) | 20:21 |
| LjL | Conte press conference now | 20:23 |
| LjL | says we are not in a condition to release any restrictive measures | 20:23 |
| LjL | they're in close contact with the scientific committee, who tell them they are starting to see positive effects | 20:24 |
| LjL | but we are not in a condition to change things | 20:24 |
| LjL | so he signed the new emergency laws, which extends the current laws, until at least April 13 | 20:24 |
| LjL | if we stopped respecting the rules all the efforts done until now would be in vain | 20:24 |
| LjL | since that would be doublt terrible, we are all invited to respect the measures | 20:25 |
| LjL | and there is a small minority of people who do not respect the rules | 20:25 |
| LjL | we have very heavy fines because we cannot allow irresponsibility of a minority to endanger everyone | 20:25 |
| LjL | 67 doctors dead so far, we owe them to reduce the risk | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Italy records lowest daily increase in deaths in a week as known global cases pass 900,000 — from r/WorldNews at 18:19: Coronavirus can travel up to 8 metres from exhalation, linger in air for hours, MIT scientist says → https://is.gd/HcP57U | 20:26 |
| LjL | he's sorry that this extension of the laws happens around Easter, which we all wish to share together | 20:26 |
| LjL | but with much displeasure we'll have to keep these restrictions even during these holidays | 20:26 |
| LjL | this further effort will let us start to evaluate future projections and to plan an easing of the restrictive measures, but he can't say "it'll be on april 14" | 20:27 |
| LjL | we'll have to evaluate the curves | 20:27 |
| LjL | "phase 2" will entail living *with* the virus, adopting measures that slowly ease the restritions, and then eventually "phase 3" will allow restoring our normal activity, and rebuilding | 20:27 |
| LjL | thanks for the attention, questions? | 20:27 |
| LjL | question: you're continuing your activity of international "pressing", for what the EU should do, hopefully they do something... what we want is "Corona bonds", but are you ruling out the possibility that a state-rescuing fund may be available? | 20:28 |
| LjL | answer: i've been very clear with my European colleagues. since debate and discussion was on the "MES", i think and i'll repeat that instrument is absolutely not suited for this emergency. it was created for different purposes. | 20:29 |
| LjL | so i told the european heads of state: do not propose this again, because it is no use for my country. that said, if it can be changed with very different rules, and become just one measure among various ones, and the funds will be accessible to all countries unconditionally, then it can be one tool | 20:30 |
| LjL | we need something that will let us say "Europe is there, Europe is responding with one voice and showing it is a union of states that can get together against a common enemy." | 20:31 |
| LjL | question: the primacy of politics compared to science's request to continue with restrictive measures, this dual relationship that risks becoming a conflict, can you tell us something about this? can you also tell us about the rumors that this new emergency law restrict sports activities for professionals? | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:26 UTC: (news): Global coronavirus cases will hit 1 million and 50,000 deaths in a few days, WHO officials say — from r/WorldNews at 18:26: Coronavirus can travel up to 8 metres from exhalation, linger in air for hours, MIT scientist says → https://is.gd/CowO0K | 20:32 |
| LjL | answer: your question was cut off when you talked about athletes...? okay, you asked several questions... can you repeat the first one...? okay, clear. and then children. | 20:32 |
| dzho | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Stability_Mechanism <-- MES in Italian, ESM in English | 20:33 |
| LjL | the first: what is the relationship between politics and sciene? i think a political decision must be based on scientific evidence. that is the base. but politicians must take their own responsibility: we don't follow scientific committee evaluations to the letter: *based* on them, we create recommendations. politics is facing an invisible and unknown enemy that politics isn't used to face, but scientists themselves are facing the same, and they have | 20:33 |
| LjL | difficulties updating their own information and evaluations. | 20:33 |
| LjL | that said, there are scientific recommendations, but then politics has a different viewpoint: why? because we must balance all interests. it's possible that a scientist will keep the epidemiological aspect exclusively; on the other hand, i must keep all aspects in mind, and constitutional principles. | 20:34 |
| LjL | the constitution spells out fundamental rights of people, some of which are now in conflict with each other. the decider must interpret, based on scientific data, the community's needs. | 20:35 |
| LjL | we chose to start from the basis that our constitution primarily focus on preserving health: so that is our primary goal, and then we also try to do good for economy etc. | 20:35 |
| LjL | as to the second question, there is a small change in our emergency law: we suspend training for professional athletes, in order to stop sporting societies to "demand" that athletes do work. it is no longer allowed to have training sessions in groups. athletes can still train individually. | 20:36 |
| LjL | as to the third question about children: we have not at all authorized a "strolling hour". we simply said that when there are minors, when a parent goes to buy groceries for example, children can go with their parents. but this doesn't mean you can have strolls. | 20:37 |
| LjL | question: do you think it will be possible to allow people who are recovered or asymptomatic to go back to work activities? under which timelines? | 20:37 |
| bin_bash | no | 20:38 |
| LjL | answer: we still have the system we had before, and nothing is changing. we are evaluating the possibility of how to "recover" those who are recovered, in terms of actual work and social life, but for the time being nothing changes. | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases hit 885,000 as China's numbers reportedly come under fire by US intelligence — from r/WorldNews at 18:35: Coronavirus can travel up to 8 metres from exhalation, linger in air for hours, MIT scientist says → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 20:38 |
| dzho | jesus | 20:38 |
| LjL | Thanks for listening, journalists and citizens. | 20:38 |
| LjL | --- end | 20:38 |
| LjL | dzho, thanks, i'll change it in the pastebin | 20:39 |
| dzho | LjL: no worries and thank you so much for the live translation | 20:39 |
| dzho | I didn't think about this as a transcript that would be shared or I might have held off that, added it only to provide context for those unfamiliar | 20:40 |
| LjL | Rough transcription of Conte's press conference extending emergency laws in Italy from a few minutes ago: https://dpaste.org/p6Ej | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:41 UTC: American Airlines apologizes for mistakenly offering dozens of pilots voluntary leave amid coronavirus: American Airlines apologizes to narrowbody pilots for offering voluntary leave beyond its capacity as the airline rushes to stem costs to fight coronavirus' impact on travel demand. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hNjRsG | 20:44 |
| LjL | dzho, no it's fine, i always "prune" them later and provide a pastebin | 20:45 |
| LjL | the channel can go on talking even through my wall of text :P | 20:45 |
| LjL | and you can suggest corrections, i just won't be able to respond until i'm done transcribing | 20:46 |
| dzho | great | 20:46 |
| LjL | anyway, nothing much sensational in this one... mostly just the expected extension | 20:48 |
| LjL | to bad i *definitely* cannot go for a short walk, apparently ;( | 20:48 |
| LjL | gets a little crazy when you're stuck inside for weeks | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:46 UTC: Florida, Pennsylvania issue stay-at-home orders amid coronavirus outbreak: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf issued statewide orders Wednesday mandating all residents to stay at home during the coronavirus outbreak. — from r/WorldNews at 18:46: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says → https://is.gd/qDFQuh | 20:51 |
| LjL | https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2020/03/31/china-hints-that-its-coronavirus-data-doesnt-paint-full-picture/ | 20:58 |
| pwr22 | Why would CCP ever hint such a thing? | 20:59 |
| bin_bash | unintentionally | 21:01 |
| bin_bash | >Maybe our numbers aren’t entirely giving the full picture of the coronavirus, China health officials said on Tuesday. | 21:02 |
| bin_bash | lol | 21:02 |
| ThomCat[m] | I for one am shocked that someone would insinuate that the CCP wasn't reporting their real numbers. | 21:04 |
| LjL | i don't know, i'd like to see more sourced sources | 21:04 |
| python476 | god damn nocebo | 21:05 |
| python476 | every cough is a death sign | 21:05 |
| LjL | :( | 21:05 |
| LjL | python476, have you had more of the shortness of breath? | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +3089 cases (now 921553), +91 deaths (now 46165), +17 recoveries (now 193349) — US: +2097 cases (now 207535), +81 deaths (now 4609) — Michigan, US: +1719 cases (now 9334), +78 deaths (now 337) | 21:06 |
| python476 | LjL: no, as always that thing was an afternoon | 21:06 |
| python476 | can't wait for cheap tests to hit the market | 21:07 |
| LjL | python476, well, just fyi i'm seeing https://www.amazon.fr/surveillance-saturation-fréquence-cardiaque-Oxysmart-03/dp/B085ZLBNGV/ on prime, although it's about twice the cost you'd normally spend for that sort of thing | 21:07 |
| python476 | how is it going on your side ? | 21:07 |
| LjL | says april 20 delivery for me, but hopefully faster for you | 21:07 |
| LjL | python476, i am okay but i have a cold sore... not painful because i'm stuffing myself with acyclovir, but i hope it doesn't mean my immune system is on holiday | 21:08 |
| python476 | next grocery trip I'm gonna ask pharmacies if they have some left | 21:08 |
| LjL | python476, tbf pharmacies would probably ask you twice the price of amazon even at normal times | 21:08 |
| python476 | yeah it's a matter of delay before need | 21:08 |
| python476 | I can always resell it higher in my neighborhood right ? #wallstreet | 21:09 |
| python476 | 3$ per minute of finger user | 21:09 |
| LjL | python476, there's also https://www.amazon.fr/Promisemed-Sports-laviation-Finger-unit-Oxymètre/dp/B08634SNG9/ although it looks very basic, screen-wise | 21:10 |
| LjL | i would normally expect that one to be like €12 | 21:10 |
| LjL | also i assume you have a couple of AAAs, they may come without | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:03 UTC: US coronavirus live: Florida governor issues stay-home order after weeks of resistance: Ron DeSantis acts to restrict movement for 30 days Pence: ‘Italy may be most comparable to the US at this point Trump’s media assault rages in midst of coronavirus crisis [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/9kw2cV | 21:10 |
| Drac[m] | weird ... i'm on prescription meds that would level an aircraft carrier, but that does nothing for nasty viral bugs. it's amazing to see what people will shovel down their throats if it gives any kind of release | 21:12 |
| python476 | thanks LjL | 21:14 |
| python476 | only 4 in stock.. | 21:14 |
| LjL | python476, the other one is only 2 or so | 21:14 |
| LjL | i'd normally stay away with the segment-LED one, but in reality it may give a reading that's just as good for all i know | 21:15 |
| LjL | but lack of graph... i dunno, i use the graph to be sure it's reading a stable pulse | 21:15 |
| LjL | python476, fwiw, the same item (same as in "only 2 left" here too, so it's the same warehouse) is at €66 on amazon.it | 21:16 |
| LjL | ridiculous | 21:16 |
| LjL | in normal time i would just get it from .fr or wherever in the EU it's cheapest, but now amazon takes considerably longer to ship abroad | 21:17 |
| LjL | python476, groan :\ https://www.hagglezon.com/ ← i was about to try using this | 21:18 |
| LjL | https://it.camelcamelcamel.com/ is gone too | 21:18 |
| LjL | well, i checked manually, .fr is the cheapest for that oxymeter currently | 21:19 |
| LjL | "cheapest" | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:20 UTC: The coronavirus outbreak is a 'real threat to everyone on the planet,' WHO official says: "COVID-19 is a real threat. It is a real threat to everyone on the planet," said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO's technical lead on the outbreak. — from r/WorldNews at 19:20: 'Shoot them dead': Duterte orders troops to kill quarantine violators → https://is.gd/CowO0K | 21:24 |
| python476 | I always forget hagglezon .. | 21:26 |
| python476 | seems like I'm not missing anything this time | 21:26 |
| python476 | US over 200K | 21:27 |
| Drac[m] | CNBC just caught up? That's cute | 21:29 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Iceland lab's testing suggests 50% of coronavirus cases have no symptoms (5065 votes) | 21:29 |
| CoronaBot | https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html | https://redd.it/ft0bto | 21:29 |
| aradesh | python476: sheesh | 21:31 |
| python476 | ? | 21:34 |
| python476 | doctors are rising up https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/fsyf6u/if_we_doctors_want_to_band_together_it_starts_here/ | 21:34 |
| aradesh | python476: 200k | 21:35 |
| aradesh | i was sheeshing at that | 21:35 |
| python476 | oh ok | 21:35 |
| python476 | and sheesh is like shocked surprise ? | 21:36 |
| aradesh | sheesh it's a lot | 21:36 |
| aradesh | not surprised i suppose but, yeah | 21:36 |
| aradesh | surprised and not surprised | 21:36 |
| Drac[m] | testing .. i got disconnected. anyone home? | 21:36 |
| aradesh | surprised because it's a big number, but i knew it was coming | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1820 cases (now 923373), +130 deaths (now 46295), +55 recoveries (now 193404) — Germany: +1014 cases (now 77558), +33 deaths (now 891) — Afghanistan: +43 cases (now 239) | 21:36 |
| aradesh | america is going to end up with some very high numbers of cases once this is all over and done :/ | 21:37 |
| aradesh | 200k deaths is probably a low estimate for how many deaths the US is going to suffer | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 200,000, energy CEOs to meet with Trump Friday — from r/WorldNews at 19:31: 'Shoot them dead': Duterte orders troops to kill quarantine violators → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 21:38 |
| python476 | aradesh: ok I get it | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: oh, yeah. There is no recovery info for US states any longer. That was meant to be all zeros - corrected now. | 21:38 |
| python476 | numbers are boring now we all know there are error margins and lies.. | 21:38 |
| Drac[m] | they will, and if their air traffic is anything to go by, they simply haven't learned ... | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: error margins tell us the range. they are not lies, per se. | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | no doubt there really are lies, but variation in data are not lies. | 21:39 |
| python476 | you know my "and" didn't mean "as" | 21:40 |
| python476 | the thing is data is ultra foggy | 21:40 |
| python476 | feels like trading bitcoin | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. yes. well, some things are foggy | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | but even with foggy they give us an idea | 21:41 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 15679 cases, 277 deaths (1.8% of cases), 333 recoveries as of April 01, 19:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:41 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Ana Cabrera su Twitter: "NEW: The Abbott labs testing equipment arrived in Detroit today, making Detroit the first city to use the 15-minute testing which will be up and running in the next 24-hours, Mayor Mike Duggan says. #Coronavirus #COVID19" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zOtq4k | 21:44 |
| mefistofeles | freaking data from JHU, honestly xD | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA — from r/WorldNews at 19:47: Iran official says Trump sanctions are "medical terrorism" during coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/EWOP0z | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1846 cases (now 925219), +85 deaths (now 46380), +27 recoveries (now 193431) — US: +1076 cases (now 209105), +43 deaths (now 4658), +27 recoveries (now 8805) — Switzerland: +631 cases (now 17768), +27 deaths (now 488) | 21:51 |
| ThomCat[m] | Motherf- are we really going to have a medical dick measuring contest between Iran and the USA in the middle of a fucking Pandemic? | 21:52 |
| bin_bash | lol | 21:54 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: if you're referring to lack of recovery data this time it's not JH fault really. Many states are no longer providing recovery data. The other sites I used for US state data are no longer reporting recoveries for the US either (worldometers, covidtracking.com). | 21:55 |
| tinwhiskers | just another part of the poor response from the US I guess | 21:57 |
| tinwhiskers | </political jab> | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 200,000, energy CEOs to meet with Trump Friday — from r/WorldNews at 19:55: Coronavirus: German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier calls for global alliance → https://is.gd/Hwnkrn | 22:03 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: More Than 350,000 People Fined For Breaking Lockdown Rules In France. (5041 votes) | 22:05 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-france-fines-update-christophe-castaner-a9440146.html?utm_source=reddit.com | https://redd.it/fszl1t | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +595 cases (now 925814), +35 deaths (now 46415) — Afghanistan: +43 cases (now 239) — Algeria: +1 cases (now 847), +15 recoveries (now 61) | 22:06 |
| aradesh | i wonder why iran got hit hard so early so quickly | 22:06 |
| aradesh | because, generally the countries that got hit hardest were ones where a lot of people travel to/from | 22:07 |
| aradesh | which i'm guessing is why in general, countries with smaller economy are quite a long way behind most western nations in their infection journey | 22:08 |
| aradesh | but iran is a bit of an anomoly | 22:08 |
| aradesh | i guess they actually have a pretty big economy from oil though... | 22:08 |
| aradesh | but i somehow doubt they have a huge amount of comings and goings | 22:09 |
| tinwhiskers | Iran thought some deity would protect them | 22:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:06 UTC: (news): Mt. Sinai Health launches coronavirus app to track outbreak across the New York City — from r/WorldNews at 20:06: Coronavirus: German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier calls for global alliance → https://is.gd/xjWaAP | 22:09 |
| LjL | aradesh, i think randomness plays a role more than most people think, really. a cluster can start from a superspreader, like we probably had in Codogno, although we had other clusters so it's not like Italy would have been "spared" otherwise, but we might not have been hit so hard so soon | 22:09 |
| AimHere | Iran probably just got unlucky and had an early infection from China | 22:09 |
| AimHere | Coupled with whatever mismanagement led to where they are now | 22:10 |
| tinwhiskers | there's a lot of luck involved, for sure | 22:10 |
| LjL | i'm told, from hearsay (I don't live in that area anymore), our Chinese in Chinatown have been getting masks from China now, or perhaps also producing them directly, i'm not sure, and putting small batches of masks into people's mailboxes in the area | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Italy records lowest daily increase in deaths in a week as known global cases pass 900,000 — from r/WorldNews at 20:10: Coronavirus: German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier calls for global alliance → https://is.gd/HcP57U | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1362 cases (now 927176), +35 deaths (now 46450) — US: +1609 cases (now 210714), +39 deaths (now 4697) — Massachusetts, US: +1118 cases (now 7738), +33 deaths (now 122) | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:25 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: childcare operators call for government lifelines as Australian cases top 4,800- latest news — from r/WorldNews at 20:25: Russia spreading propaganda during COVID-19 pandemic: Canadian study → https://is.gd/YVYphh | 22:28 |
| tinwhiskers | This is a really good read about the problems with the models, and the stories and policies that arise from replying on them: https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | *relying on them | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | the TLDR, as many of us have been saying, is that suppression only delays the inevitable (some models have deliberately hidden this), and we have a hard choice to make between long term suppression while awaiting a treatment or vaccine, or a short-term hit in terms of lives. The best choice will probably lie somewhere between these extremes. | 22:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, or PM tonight talked about a "phase 2" when the restrictions are "slowly" lifted and we "live together with the virus" | 22:35 |
| LjL | "phase 3" will be normality | 22:35 |
| LjL | or, rebuilding, but without restrictions | 22:35 |
| LjL | so i assume he's trying to get somewhere between those extremes | 22:36 |
| LjL | but if the models that say "mitigation doesn't work and you have to suppress" are right, then a phase 2 that's basically mitigation also... won't work | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, and in my home country they are currently planning to have short durations of relaxing the restrictions, assuming the virus will bounce back as you do. | 22:36 |
| LjL | we'll just delay the "real" spike, won't we | 22:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, oh yeah the on-off method of the Imperial College paper | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 22:36 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1361 cases (now 928537), +53 deaths (now 46503), +43 recoveries (now 193473) — Brazil: +920 cases (now 6836), +34 deaths (now 240) — Algeria: +1 cases (now 847), +15 recoveries (now 61) | 22:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i feel the strategies will be more varied here... with the initial thing, we had delusions like the UK wanting to do something different but at the end of the day we're all ending up doing the same (if too late) | 22:37 |
| tinwhiskers | I hope (and expectation) is that we will development treatments well before we get a vaccine that will allow us to treat most patients with a good outcome, and then we slowly ease out of the lockdown | 22:37 |
| tinwhiskers | I still believe the UK approach was a good approach but got bad publicity | 22:38 |
| tinwhiskers | *and expect | 22:38 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, man. I can't English again today | 22:39 |
| lf94 | "uk approach was good" | 22:39 |
| lf94 | lots of people are going to die | 22:39 |
| lf94 | because of that approach | 22:39 |
| aradesh | yeah | 22:39 |
| aradesh | maybe he means, maybe if they'd actually carried out with their plan rather than aborting it to copy other european countries a week later? | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, so it was poorly communicated. | 22:40 |
| lf94 | if the goal is to save lives, 100% lockdown is the best approach | 22:40 |
| aradesh | yup | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | the economic harm from doing so may cost more lives if it takes too long | 22:40 |
| aradesh | lf94: well, maybe as close to 100% as you can, while still actually getting food in | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | it's not that simple | 22:40 |
| aradesh | food + medicine | 22:40 |
| aradesh | obviously without those, more die | 22:40 |
| lf94 | yeah | 22:40 |
| aradesh | tinwhiskers: i don't buy that. | 22:40 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: bullshit, we can feed everyone if it came down to it. | 22:41 |
| aradesh | belarus has an economy about 10% per person than the USA, but their life expectancy is only 4 or 5 years less than theirs | 22:41 |
| lf94 | people would work for food. | 22:41 |
| lf94 | not money | 22:41 |
| lf94 | and a roof over their heads | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | the long term consequences could take many years (a decade or more) for things to recover. the long-term effects are far reaching. | 22:41 |
| aradesh | taken to its extremes, big enough hit to the economy will cause deaths, of course | 22:41 |
| aradesh | and as we've seen, we've had the economic hit anyway | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, very minor so far | 22:42 |
| lf94 | if the goal is to save the economy, getting everyone infected as fast as possible is probably the best | 22:42 |
| lf94 | it's all about goals | 22:42 |
| aradesh | lf94: maybe, maybe not... it could still lead to mass panic when the hospitals are absolutely overridden | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | of course putting the economy first is not the answer. But you have to balance overall long-term harm to people. | 22:42 |
| aradesh | which could then cause detrimental behaviour from the populace | 22:42 |
| lf94 | lockdown with "sterile" workers is where we are headed | 22:43 |
| aradesh | i think a country like the UK could easily afford to do a very close to 100% lock down, and suffer very few lives due to economic harm | 22:43 |
| lf94 | work force will go back with masks and gloves full time | 22:43 |
| aradesh | because we're like 10x richer than countries whose life expectancy isn't much less than ours | 22:43 |
| aradesh | and even without physical wealth, we have the skills in our people that you get from being a 1st world country for so long | 22:44 |
| aradesh | temporary disruption could cause deaths though, if food and medical supplies are broken | 22:45 |
| tinwhiskers | if you could successfully lock down everyone over 50, by taking hotels etc, feed them safely, then you can relax the restrictions on younger people to a greater extent than you could otherwise do, allowing the economy to function more, reducing harm for the *same* level of deaths. | 22:45 |
| aradesh | one thing i've noticed in the UK is that the peolpe least likely to follow government guidelines are the people over 60 -.- | 22:46 |
| aradesh | i was in the pharmacy the other day, and an old man who looked about 80 hobbling around, practically following me around every time i tried to maintain distance from him | 22:46 |
| aradesh | and then when i got away from him some other oblivious old person came near me instead | 22:46 |
| lf94 | lmfao | 22:46 |
| aradesh | they shouldn't even be out | 22:47 |
| aradesh | it's like they want to get infected | 22:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Italy records lowest daily increase in deaths in a week as known global cases pass 900,000 — from r/WorldNews at 20:39: China 'finds new coronavirus strain that lasts for 49 days' in infected patient → https://is.gd/HcP57U | 22:47 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, so I think people just don't want to understand that approach. ah, well. | 22:47 |
| lf94 | Out of 7 billion people what's the amounth that will be estimated to be infected? | 22:48 |
| tinwhiskers | the on-off approach is good too | 22:48 |
| lf94 | make the math easier: 5 billion | 22:48 |
| tinwhiskers | probably at least 50% | 22:48 |
| lf94 | reported cases are 900,000... | 22:48 |
| lf94 | actual is probably what, > 3 million? | 22:48 |
| tinwhiskers | lf94: something like that | 22:50 |
| BruntLIVE | NY 1 News is where its at, ground zero organizing | 22:51 |
| BruntLIVE | hotels converted to hospitals | 22:51 |
| BruntLIVE | in 12 hours | 22:51 |
| tinwhiskers | lf94: were you going somewhere with that vs. the world population? | 22:51 |
| lf94 | not really | 22:52 |
| tinwhiskers | oh | 22:52 |
| lf94 | but good point | 22:52 |
| lf94 | we are not even close to starting | 22:52 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 22:52 |
| IronY | " if you could successfully lock down everyone over 50," | 22:52 |
| IronY | you kidding | 22:52 |
| IronY | 60 year old + are the ones who don't give a fuck in my experience | 22:52 |
| IronY | went to pick up some food today from a m&ms meatshop | 22:53 |
| tinwhiskers | you don't need to ask them nicely | 22:53 |
| IronY | Of course I pre-orderd my food | 22:53 |
| IronY | so I just physically had to grab it, no lollygagging | 22:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:51 UTC: /u/slakmehl: ian bremmer su Twitter: "Italy starting to plateau. Lockdowns work.… " — from r/WorldNews at 20:51: China 'finds new coronavirus strain that lasts for 49 days' in infected patient → https://is.gd/cRkcYE | 22:53 |
| IronY | I seen 3 people on my trip, the cashiere, and two elderly ladies with zero ppo, thumbing through flyers | 22:53 |
| lf94 | I guess when you're 60, you're kind of shaking your ass in death's face every day | 22:53 |
| IronY | I waited for 15 mins in my car for 1 of them to leave | 22:53 |
| IronY | the other one had no plans on mozying on | 22:54 |
| IronY | my last trip out, I saw a man in his 70s asking if they were still selling lottery tickets | 22:54 |
| IronY | lf94: exactly | 22:54 |
| IronY | There not unaware, they just don't give a fuck | 22:54 |
| IronY | I would almost go ahead and guess that people over 60 have already come to terms with the concept of their own mortality | 22:55 |
| IronY | ouch | 22:58 |
| IronY | Everybody be cool | 22:58 |
| IronY | do the right thing | 22:58 |
| Koshi | .list | 22:59 |
| IronY | Koshi: now might be the time ur changing ur passwords on all ur accounts, not looking at lists | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:52 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: childcare operators call for government lifelines as Australian cases near 5,000 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 20:52: China 'finds new coronavirus strain that lasts for 49 days' in infected patient → https://is.gd/YVYphh | 23:00 |
| aradesh | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRbSdHQnVNY | 23:00 |
| BruntLIVE | i think China sent Covid-19 as a test, they will end it all with the next virus. Covid-20 | 23:02 |
| LjL | %cases uk | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 29474 cases, 2352 deaths (8.0% of cases), 135 recoveries as of April 01, 20:51Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 23:05 |
| LjL | %wa 2352/(2352+135) | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (2352/(2352 + 135)): Decimal approximation: 0.945717732207478890229191797346200241254523522316043425814... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2352%2F%282352%2B135%29 | 23:06 |
| LjL | ubLIX, ↑ | 23:06 |
| IronY | whats the 0.94 | 23:08 |
| LjL | IronY, it would be the case fatality rate if the epidemic had ended and deaths+recoveries represented all cases | 23:08 |
| LjL | but instead, it's a somewhat meaningless number | 23:08 |
| LjL | in some cases it can be used as a cautionary upper bound on what mortality *could* be | 23:08 |
| LjL | but in the UK's case, where recoveries have practically not been recorded so far, it doesn't make much sense to say "it could have 94% fatality rate" | 23:09 |
| LjL | it came from a discussion i was having | 23:09 |
| IronY | whoa whoa whoa, ur predicting a 94% fatality rate, did I miss something | 23:09 |
| LjL | yes | 23:10 |
| LjL | the whole part where i said under what conditions this would make sense | 23:10 |
| AimHere | It's the upper bound fatality rate | 23:10 |
| LjL | conditions which do not apply | 23:10 |
| LjL | not currently, not for a long time | 23:10 |
| IronY | ohhh | 23:10 |
| AimHere | The fatality rate if coronavirus killed everyone we knew had it | 23:10 |
| AimHere | As in Coronavirus is playing by Plague, Inc rules and underwent a spontaneous mutation among all sufferers | 23:11 |
| Nokaji | why is it an upper bound? | 23:11 |
| IronY | AimHere: that would be impressive | 23:11 |
| IronY | viral quantum entanglement lol | 23:12 |
| AimHere | Nokaji, well it's an upper bound on the fatalities among known cases | 23:12 |
| IronY | thankfully thats not how that works | 23:12 |
| LjL | if you start recording deaths but do not record recoveries (because you don't, or because recoveries take a long time to happen), you may as well claim there's a 100% fatality rate using this formula, when maybe in the end it will be 1%. it's an example of a formula which is technically correct, but fails to meet the definition unless certain conditions are true (namely, "the epidemic has ended, and you have all the numbers") | 23:12 |
| LjL | it's a bit too easy for some people to forget about preconditions for a formula to fit a definition | 23:12 |
| IronY | if the virus mutated, we would essentially have a pandemic and an epidemic first, followed by two pandemics | 23:12 |
| Nokaji | LjL: so you are saying recoveries take longer than deaths? | 23:12 |
| IronY | You are normally critical after 7 days | 23:13 |
| LjL | Nokaji, it is not even strictly an upper bound, especially not if recoveries take a *shorter* amount of time to occur than deaths, but realistically under most circumstances it's kind of the worst that can happen, unless we're being *really* bad with the numbers, to the point we may as well toss them all away | 23:13 |
| LjL | Nokaji, yes, recoveries can take longer than deaths, and generally do, and also, countries tend to be much sloppier with recording recoveries, because it's not as pressing, and because of things like requiring two negative tests before you can record a recovery... and *if you have no tests available*, you always prioritize testing the sick, not testing the healed | 23:14 |
| Nokaji | the stats do show the corollary which they label as 'Recovered / Discharged' | 23:14 |
| LjL | after an epidemic has ended, deaths/(deaths+recoveries) == deaths/cases | 23:14 |
| LjL | but right now, those two values are different, and usually, deaths/cases is lower | 23:14 |
| IronY | LjL: Will probably make more sense to count the recovered via antibody tests | 23:15 |
| LjL | that makes it obvious that the real fatality rate is neither of them | 23:15 |
| Nokaji | LjL: fair point then ... ad the reason this is peculiar to the UK is because their testing methods are radically different to elsewhere? ... e,g, far less testing? | 23:15 |
| LjL | it's not peculiar to the UK | 23:16 |
| LjL | most countries tend to have deaths/(recoveries+deaths) be a much larger number than deaths/cases | 23:16 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 110574 cases, 13155 deaths (11.9% of cases), 16847 recoveries as of April 01, 20:51Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 23:16 |
| LjL | now italy has recorded a lot of recoveries | 23:17 |
| LjL | but still | 23:17 |
| Nokaji | UK's 95% lethality is among the highest of such numbers | 23:17 |
| LjL | %wa 13155/(13155+16847) | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (13155/(13155 + 16847)): Decimal approximation: 0.438470768615425638290780614625691620558629424705019665355... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=13155%2F%2813155%2B16847%29 | 23:17 |
| LjL | this would mean 43% "lethality", to use your term | 23:17 |
| LjL | but that term is just... wrong | 23:17 |
| LjL | you have a number | 23:17 |
| LjL | that you have calculated with a formula | 23:17 |
| LjL | which does NOT represent lethality | 23:17 |
| LjL | unless certain conditions are met | 23:17 |
| LjL | those conditions are NOT met | 23:17 |
| LjL | now, 43% is lower than 94%, but that matters little since both are RIDICULOUSLY high compared to any reasonable estimate of the actual CFR that COVID-19 may bring | 23:18 |
| LjL | in italy, deaths/cases is 11.9%, which is, wow, a lot, but certainly not 43% | 23:18 |
| IronY | There are confirmed recovered cases in the their 80s | 23:18 |
| IronY | I would expect even at 43%, there would be no confirmed recovered cases in their 80s | 23:19 |
| Nokaji | sure, it only represents the test method .. and test definitions | 23:19 |
| IronY | I am using the qualifier confirmed, so you can assume it is a clinical confirmation | 23:19 |
| IronY | unlike lets say my province | 23:19 |
| IronY | where you are good to go after 14 days | 23:20 |
| IronY | makes it real easy to count I guess | 23:20 |
| LjL | IronY, good for them! but indeed, you have 13155 deaths and 16847 recoveries. if you sum those two, the sum is *much* less than 110574. and yet, there are 110574 cases. all the remaining cases will either die, or recover. if they haven't done that yet, then you're missing the majority of your data from the formula, and the formula doesn't mean a whole lot | 23:20 |
| IronY | just put a timer on first symptoms, and boom, 14 days later you got yourself recovered++ | 23:20 |
| LjL | Nokaji, no, there is no definition that says the CFR is deaths/(deaths+recoveries) *before* an epidemic is over | 23:20 |
| Nokaji | LjL: you make a lot of sense, I suspected some anomaly but couldn't figure out why and almost nobody else understands or cares to discuss it, thx | 23:21 |
| LjL | and even if it were arbitrarily defined as that for reasons that definitions are arbitrary in science like in other things, it makes no sense to translate it to a 94% or 43% "lethality" | 23:21 |
| LjL | which would mean: 94% or 43% of people who get it, die | 23:21 |
| LjL | which is very obviously not true | 23:21 |
| IronY | at 94% we would of had socitial breakdown a few months ago | 23:22 |
| Nokaji | LjL: oh yeah, I'm aware it changes at end of play | 23:22 |
| LjL | Nokaji, note also that there is another term, the Infection Fatality Rate, where the difference between "Case" and "Infection" is that cases are the ones you diagnose, while infections are, sadly, generally expected to be more. so the IFR is something one tries to determine, and it is more representative of the actual question "how many of those who get it die?", but it's very hard to be able to say "yes, this number is it" | 23:22 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: China Concealed Extent of Virus Outbreak, U.S. Intelligence Says (5058 votes) | 23:23 |
| CoronaBot | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-01/china-concealed-extent-of-virus-outbreak-u-s-intelligence-says | https://redd.it/ft2io1 | 23:23 |
| Nokaji | I couldn't see a point for a running score in mortality, where it includes unresolved cases but then I pondered a little further and thought if you compare and contrast with CFR ... thoe numbers wold tend together at end of play, so you can gauge apporx where it is on the curve by the variance and trend over a little time | 23:26 |
| LjL | python476, | 23:27 |
| Nokaji | ... as they move further apart or closer together and the speed that happens | 23:27 |
| LjL | %fdroid Attestation Coronavirus | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Attestation Coronavirus 0.0.3 (com.adrienpoupa.attestationcoronavirus) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Generates the PDF attestation file required by the French government to go out. - updated 2020-04-01, see https://github.com/AdrienPoupa/AttestationCoronavirus | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Last time I checked, not all indexes could be downloaded! | 23:27 |
| Nokaji | by peculiar to UK, I meant up in the 90's% | 23:29 |
| tinwhiskers | Nokaji: a per-capita fatality rate is somewhat useful, but the case fatality rate at this point is a little unreliable due to lag and testing biases. | 23:29 |
| LjL | Nokaji, i think it's very difficult to compare the numbers from different country, but *that* formula in particular tends to be very meaningless, because the way recoveries are recorded is often even more haphazard and inconsistent than the way cases are recorded. just go to https://offloop.net/covid19/ and select a few countries and see how "rougher" the graph for recoveries seems to be. the others may look like a smooth exponential, yet recoveries be all | 23:29 |
| LjL | messed up. that's a sign the data is bad quality. | 23:29 |
| ubLIX | then I owe you an apology, Nokaji, for contributing to some misunderstanding much earlier today (I shouldn't have hit enter repeatedly while operating on ~2 hours sleep) | 23:29 |
| LjL | Nokaji, doing deaths/cases is also problematic because while deaths are (relatively!) reliable, the number of cases has a different meaning in different countries and regions, depending on testing and such... plus, deaths lag behind more than cases, so there will be a systematic bias. but still, it won't look as utterly random as the recoveries | 23:30 |
| Nokaji | LjL: I accept the data is bad quality and often delivered late and that it isn't remotely consistent across differnet nations, even though it has been shoehorned into one giant statistic, as if it were | 23:31 |
| tinwhiskers | if for example, you look at per-capita death rate for New York vs. Italy, then New York is faring far worse than Italy. | 23:31 |
| Nokaji | ubLIX: That's decent of you, accepted and appreciated - thx | 23:31 |
| LjL | Nokaji, the UK is further behind than other countries, meaning its epidemic started later, compared to Italy but also to other continental Europe countries... so that can be one reason why its recoveries are still so few. the fact 90% is so much higher than other countries is not something i'd give any weight to at this point. | 23:31 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and if you look at Louisiana... | 23:31 |
| LjL | Katrina was probably a joke in comparison ;( | 23:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Louisiana is a little better than Italy, but not by much | 23:32 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, at least i can trust that if you take Lombardy specifically, we're pretty screwed | 23:32 |
| tinwhiskers | ah, lets see | 23:33 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but Madrid may be close | 23:33 |
| Nokaji | LjL: that's a relief then :) | 23:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Actually New York and Lombardy are neck-in-neck | 23:33 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yep | 23:34 |
| LjL | except NY will overtake us... tomorrow? | 23:34 |
| LjL | i don't have a crystal ball but that graph is steeeeep | 23:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, crap. Sorry, I'm totally wrong. Was looking at cases, not deaths :-/ | 23:34 |
| LjL | wait, the cases i meant here, not the deaths | 23:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Lombaria is a LOT worse | 23:34 |
| LjL | lol, both of us then | 23:34 |
| tinwhiskers | the per-capita *death* rate is far far worse in Lombardia | 23:35 |
| LjL | "lol" may not be representative of the actual thing i'm doing | 23:35 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 23:35 |
| CoronaBot | /r/worldnews: Philippine President Duterte tells military to shoot those who criticize the government's actions (5113 votes) | 23:35 |
| CoronaBot | https://filipinotimes.net/news/2020/04/01/duterte-warns-people-causing-chaos-amid-covid-19-shoot-them-dead/ | https://redd.it/ft0i7q | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +579 cases (now 929116), +26 deaths (now 46529), +276 recoveries (now 193749) — Afghanistan: +41 cases (now 237) — Alabama, US: +64 cases (now 1077) | 23:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 21:33 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ecco il vostro Recap per il 1 Aprile — from r/WorldNews at 21:33: In 2017, the US military identified a novel influenza disease as "the most likely and significant threat" which it anticipated would lead to a shortage of ventilators, face masks and hospital beds. → https://is.gd/gouOtW | 23:38 |
| LjL | Nokaji, do what we're doing, go to https://offloop.net/covid19/ and click the "by population" box. then enable, well, these are what i've enabled: UK, Italy, Lombardia (in Italy), New York, Spain. the deaths graph you see will represent how many people are known to have died of COVID-19 compared to the population of the whole place. this *also* can suffer from bias (anything can), because, for example, maybe some people have died of COVID but doctors | 23:38 |
| LjL | thought they died of something else, etc... plus, one should also look at trends, not just the current numbers. but still, the UK's graph will look better than all the others, for now. | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | it should be noted that the per-capita death rate in New York is still very early compared to Lombardia, and if you align the curves New York in climbing much more quickly. | 23:38 |
| LjL | this is a more solid number, it tells you how much the average person in a given country or region risks death from COVID on a given day | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, crud. I just did the same fucking thing again :-) They are very similar! | 23:39 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, i can see that in the new case count. i don't expect the deaths to be magically lower forever, also since i don't believe there are *so* many more ICU beds than in lombardy | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 23:39 |
| Nokaji | LjL: I'll giv that a try ... ypu, they recommend test, test, test and even that depends how accurate the tests are | 23:40 |
| LjL | Nokaji, even within Italy, you'll see an entirely different testing pattern (and hence, cases and deaths are very different) between Lombardy and Veneto, which are two regions next to each other in the north, both affected | 23:41 |
| LjL | but the two governors did testing completely differently | 23:41 |
| LjL | the governor of Veneto "tested tested tested" much more, comparatively, and managed to track and trace a lot of contacts | 23:41 |
| LjL | Lombardy was swamped, and barely manages to test very sick people | 23:42 |
| LjL | this will make the data look very different from "reality", whatever it is that we define as reality. in any case, not easily comparable | 23:42 |
| pwr22 | !compare lombardia;veneto | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:42 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Daily update on United States data from the Covid Tracking Project reports the following one day % changes: [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5JROIk | 23:44 |
| LjL | okay now what is *this* bot -.- | 23:45 |
| LjL | dhmf[m], are you a bot? | 23:46 |
| LjL | pwr22, the numbers there are missing the thing that differentiates the situation the most (not your fault, they are just not very accessible from international data): the amount of tests done, and the percentages of positives found | 23:46 |
| dhmf[m] | no | 23:46 |
| dhmf[m] | it's a bot hooked into me | 23:46 |
| dhmf[m] | ie ... | 23:47 |
| dhmf[m] | !room servers | 23:47 |
| LjL | dhmf[m], hrm, okay... can you disable that ! trigger for here? we already have a bot that responds to !commands | 23:47 |
| LjL | yikes | 23:48 |
| Nokaji | england is testing maybe 70,000 per week whereas germany is at 500,000 per week - england is busy turning down test kits at the moment | 23:48 |
| LjL | should i even look at what that caused on Matrix | 23:48 |
| LjL-Matrix | oh whew, it was a single message | 23:49 |
| aradesh | Nokaji: turning them down? | 23:49 |
| aradesh | journalist asked at the press conference today about why germany is able to test so many and we keep saying we can't get enough tasks, talking about getting 25,000 tests/day mid april | 23:49 |
| aradesh | tests* | 23:50 |
| aradesh | but the guy didn't really answer it | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:45 UTC: The coronavirus outbreak is a 'real threat to everyone on the planet,' WHO official says: "COVID-19 is a real threat. It is a real threat to everyone on the planet," said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO's technical lead on the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CowO0K | 23:50 |
| aradesh | i wonder why the UK has so much trouble getting tests | 23:50 |
| dhmf[m] | yeah it's like one line of code to change one sec | 23:51 |
| dhmf[m] | done | 23:51 |
| dhmf[m] | try now | 23:51 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, and they were talking about ranking up to 20k tests post per day like three weeks back | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | New bulletins for World: +1941 cases (now 931057), +257 deaths (now 46786) — Spain: +1939 cases (now 104118), +256 deaths (now 9387) — Afghanistan: +41 cases (now 237) | 23:51 |
| Nokaji | aradesh: ppl are bending over backwards to procure kits on UK's behalf, including at least one docotr who has offered to supply 10,000 out of his own pocket - UK gov doesn't even respond ... it get worse ... | 23:52 |
| LjL | !test | 23:52 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[OK] | 23:52 |
| LjL | lol | 23:52 |
| pwr22 | Something isn't right | 23:52 |
| aradesh | Nokaji: maybe it's not a matter of money? | 23:53 |
| Nokaji | aradesh: UK claims they can;t make test kits bcz of a shortage of a certain chemical - the chemical industry asked which chemical, they couldn't answer. Chem ind then said "there is no shortage, what are you on about? - we are writing to you to say we can make any chemical that you want" | 23:53 |
| aradesh | like maybe other countries already have all the materials needed to make the tests | 23:53 |
| Nokaji | aradesh: I could go on with the major problems but I'll stop there | 23:53 |
| aradesh | yeah, that was what one journalist asked in the press conference | 23:53 |
| aradesh | what is the chemical? and he barely answered | 23:53 |
| aradesh | was just like, "it's a special chemical for the manufacturer" | 23:53 |
| ketas | it's called Bs | 23:54 |
| aradesh | like, if they could just say something like, "germany and USA have lots of factories that are able to produce these things, we only have one or two" | 23:54 |
| aradesh | then it'd be a reasonable answer | 23:54 |
| ketas | in it's natural for it's quite common on earth surface | 23:55 |
| aradesh | it probably comes down to the UK not jumping on the bang wagon of ordering tests early enough | 23:55 |
| aradesh | so they don't want to admit some failing | 23:55 |
| Nokaji | we are even exporting test kits .. occado got hold of 10,000 test kits to test its own staff and said the NHS could have them instead if they wanted them | 23:55 |
| aradesh | wow | 23:55 |
| aradesh | yeah so we've probably already done stupid stuff like promise to sell them to other people | 23:56 |
| aradesh | with 2 week ago boris johnson thinking we'd never need more than a few 10 thousand | 23:56 |
| Nokaji | UK didn't want them so they got exported | 23:56 |
| aradesh | incompetant | 23:57 |
| aradesh | not taking it seriously when we had at least a month of warning | 23:57 |
| Nokaji | perhaps they only accept test kits that have touched the hem of jesus | 23:57 |
| aradesh | and then messing it up even when it's on our doorstep | 23:58 |
| aradesh | annoying | 23:58 |
| Nokaji | 1 in 4 docotrs are off sick or self-isolating bcz they cannot test | 23:58 |
| IronY | "• The median age of cases is 47 years, although cases have ranged from two years to 97 years." | 23:59 |
| IronY | ottawa, that 2 year old is fucking up my median | 23:59 |
| aradesh | median is 47? wow | 23:59 |
| aradesh | that's low... | 23:59 |
| IronY | 127 cases with a 2 year old | 23:59 |
| aradesh | is that because there are more young people than old people in the countries infected, pulling it down? | 23:59 |
| IronY | yeah | 23:59 |
| IronY | 2 year old is throwing the whole number off lol | 23:59 |
| aradesh | oh | 23:59 |
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