libera/##covid-19/ Monday, 2020-04-06

oriba	but not always	00:00
oriba	https://www.rbb-online.de/abendschau/videos/20200403_1930/moschee-berlin.html	00:00
Timvde	oriba: go out of their houses at all?	00:00
AimHere	Timvde, only weird if you've n ot played Plague, Inc	00:00
oriba	Timvde: no	00:00
oriba	Timvde: max. 2 persons with 1.5 m distance; or families	00:00
Timvde	Oh, okay, so the same as here	00:00
Timvde	We're still allowed (and encouraged) to get moving	00:01
Timvde	I made a long walk today	00:01
oriba	but here were 300 people and NOT ONE charge was done: https://www.rbb-online.de/abendschau/videos/20200403_1930/moschee-berlin.html	00:01
oriba	lockdown is only for the unbelievers...	00:02
aradesh	oriba: people still going to mosques in germany?	00:03
oriba	aradesh: it's forbidden.	00:03
aradesh	oriba: but are they doing it anyway?	00:03
aradesh	i don't understand german, so	00:04
oriba	aradesh: but this happened last friday	00:04
aldwich	wait a sec, was not one of the imams on tv last week saying social distancing would be adhered to?	00:04
oriba	aradesh: I don't understand german politicians...	00:04
aradesh	aldwich: hopefully	00:04
oriba	aldwich: maybe it was another one	00:04
aradesh	but just because one imam says it...	00:04
aldwich	btw same goes for the orthodox Jewish communities. if they don't have all internet - which i doubt - not sure whether they up to the latest news.	00:05
aradesh	there does seem to be a bit of a thing with the immigrant population in the UK not really appearing to take the quarantining particularly seriously. maybe it's lack of understanding of the advice? or maybe it's that they tend to run small businesses that suffer more from temporary shutdown?	00:05
aradesh	but on my street, they're in and out of each others houses all day just like normal...	00:06
graphine	dang	00:06
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:04 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Tiger at NYC's Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 22:04: Tiger at Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/OFEBd8	00:07
aradesh	yikes... animals can get it now?	00:07
aradesh	maybe that chinese person with a mask on their cat wasn't so stupid after all	00:07
eaxomar	aradesh could also be a false positive.	00:08
eaxomar	but yes cats can get it	00:08
aldwich	maybe they're not taking this too serious enough or alternatively they simply don't watch ARD/ZDF but foreign channels. then you miss all the new rules	00:08
aradesh	mask for cat: https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PRC_136966015.jpg	00:08
pwr22	I've started seeing people with respirator masks on now	00:09
pwr22	In the UK	00:09
IndoAnon	pwr22: probably dTal lol	00:09
Brainstorm	Updates for US: +1215 cases (now 334232), +159 recoveries (now 17177) since an hour ago — World: +1104 cases (now 1269551) since 27 minutes ago — Canada: +999 cases (now 15425), +244 recoveries (now 2847) since 5 hours ago	00:09
pwr22	How did they get the cat to leave it on?	00:09
oriba	aradesh: cats can get the coronavirus, dogs rather not	00:09
aldwich	cat on a leash? she looks frightened	00:10
pwr22	That's amazing	00:10
aradesh	i think, providing you're managing to practice social distancing, by far the best thing to do is make sure you don't touch things that other people might have touched. and definitely don't touch your face	00:10
aradesh	it might still be on your hands for many hours after having touched something, even if you cleaned them thoroughly. so best just not touch things :D or use gloves if you have to	00:11
aradesh	i've still not managed to get any disposable gloves :/	00:11
oriba	pwr22: this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_mask#/media/File:Gas_mask_MUA_IMGP0157.jpg	00:11
Toadisattva	I wear gloves	00:11
aradesh	pwr22: no idea, it was from china when they had the virus there	00:11
oriba	pwr22: or this one? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Fotothek_df_roe-neg_0000376_001_Einsatzuniform_der_Feuerwehr_mit_Atemschutzmaske.jpg	00:11
aradesh	good	00:11
Toadisattva	gloves are pretty available in my area, pharmacies got plenty	00:12
pwr22	oriba: nope 😁	00:12
oriba	pwr22: but thats nice, isn't it?	00:12
pwr22	Loads of people in gloves in the supermarket too	00:12
Toadisattva	not here	00:12
Toadisattva	maybe 1 in 50 is wearing gloves here	00:12
LjL	they probably couldn't find gloves	00:12
aradesh	i think gloves are a really good thing, providing of course you don't touch your face with your gloves :P	00:12
Toadisattva	and that includes most of the cashiers	00:12
Toadisattva	well taht's wut the mask is for ;)	00:13
aradesh	LjL: i was supposed to get a pack of 50 disposable gloves with my supermarket delivery this morning, but they were out of stock :/	00:13
LjL	oh	00:13
LjL	i saw you saying that	00:13
LjL	aradesh, do you want 50 of mine? we've got 100 ;(	00:13
aradesh	hehe	00:13
LjL	well, less than 100 now	00:13
Toadisattva	I keep a spray bottle of isopropyl as well	00:13
LjL	so do i	00:13
Toadisattva	and spray down my gloves after handling anything potentially contaminated	00:13
LjL	but you can't find isopropyl easily now	00:13
Toadisattva	pharmacy also has gallon size 70% bottles, but spendy like $25 but they got em	00:14
Toadisattva	hooray for indepedent pharmacy	00:14
oriba	cashiers now wear gloves (rubber). the black ones from the butchers department look nice. but in other stores they use white glows (rubber)... but they are yellow after a while.... looks less hygienic than hands	00:14
oriba	the virus loves smooth surfaces	00:14
Toadisattva	are there any studies on it's binding to rubbrerized surfaces like nitrile and latex and such?	00:15
LjL	our disposable gloves are rubber, loose fit	00:15
LjL	not tight fit like the dentist would have	00:15
oriba	if thy wear the gloves the whole day I would think it's worse than using the hands	00:15
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 22:05 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Ruby Princess set to dock in Port Kembla as Australian cases reach 5,687 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 22:05: Scotland's chief medical officer resigns after breaking her own lockdown rules to visit her second home → https://is.gd/xR26FY	00:15
Toadisattva	as long as they are sanitizing and not touching other things like their faces	00:15
Jo-Anna	I see the coronavirus hysteria is alive and well	00:15
oriba	if the white gloves turned yellow, just lick them until they look like new gloves...	00:16
Toadisattva	I'm glad I'm seeing more cashiers wearing em at all	00:16
aldwich	Toadisattva: which I saw today in the supermarket. all cashiers behind plastic screens, gloves on, one reached to scratch his nose.	00:17
oriba	hehehe	00:17
Toadisattva	yeah one of th stores I went to had the plastic hanging up	00:17
Toadisattva	lol I'm so hyper aware of people touching their faces now	00:18
Toadisattva	I see people doing it when I'm driving by and i'm like noooooo don't do it	00:18
Toadisattva	:P	00:18
aldwich	in fairness, if you're at the till for a few ours and have an itch, it would drive one crazy, it's a subconscious reaction hard to control	00:18
aldwich	^hours	00:18
oriba	Toadisattva: and the other people see, when you do it, which you don't notice, because you watch the others	00:18
Toadisattva	yeah just sanitize your hands or gloves and give it a scratch	00:18
Toadisattva	well I've always got a couple layers covering my face when I'm in public	00:19
Toadisattva	touch my face a lot at home though	00:19
oriba	ah ok	00:19
oriba	so you have free touches	00:19
aradesh	i just ordered some gloves off amazon	00:19
Toadisattva	and before I touch my masks at all I give my gloves a good isopropyl spray down	00:20
aradesh	might still be best to try not to touch your face even at home.. i do it, but i still try not to	00:20
aradesh	can't guarantee to not get it on your hands somehow	00:20
aradesh	best get to bed. night	00:21
aldwich	i am nit fussed about touching my face at home.	00:21
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: Boris Johnson admitted to the hospital (12046 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvki7d	00:21
aldwich	night	00:21
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:15 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The COVID Tracking Project has made it's 4pm update of US data, and today's numbers are somewhat encouraging. — from r/WorldNews at 22:15: YouTube will suppress content promoting false 5G coronavirus conspiracy → https://is.gd/tvzAWi	00:23
Toadisattva	I usually do disposable gloves under some durable water proof gloves, n95 mask under a backlava, safety glasses, long sleeves long pants	00:24
Toadisattva	wash the "war suit" immediately upon returning to the house	00:24
Toadisattva	hair under a hat	00:24
Toadisattva	shower right away	00:26
Toadisattva	its tedious af honestly	00:26
Toadisattva	but seems pretty effective	00:26
Toadisattva	I'm essential worker (mental health) so I gotta face it every day	00:26
aldwich	could you work remotely say via skype/zoom etc with patients?	00:30
tinwhiskers	I just hang my town clothes outside for the week until I next need to go in to town. I don't think you need to wash them every time.	00:30
tinwhiskers	All my food (except fresh veges) goes into sealed containers for that week too, and I keep a buffer of three weeks worth of food.	00:32
aldwich	tinwhiskers: how do you organise your food supplies? online/home delivery or going to the supermarket?	00:33
tinwhiskers	There's no delivery here, so yeah, I go into town	00:33
tinwhiskers	There's also no online	00:33
aldwich	same here. theoretically we are in the delivery area but all is booked up till end of april, so going shopping at least once a week	00:35
tinwhiskers	I'm told they have checkpoints now where the police are checking there is only one person per car.	00:35
tinwhiskers	I'm going in about 30 minutes so I guess I'll find out	00:35
stinkpot	do you need to take a skiff?	00:35
tinwhiskers	Hopefully they'll ignore the fact I have no warrant of fitness for the car	00:35
tinwhiskers	I have a motorboat to get to the mainland and a car parked at the beach	00:35
tinwhiskers	and it's raining :-(	00:36
tinwhiskers	But I'm hoping if I go now the cops will be off at lunch. There's only a few of them here.	00:36
tinwhiskers	I'm going to wear my mask in the car on the way in hoping they'll wave me past if they are there	00:37
aldwich	checkpoints? not UK though	00:37
tinwhiskers	no, Tonga	00:37
aldwich	how many infections are there in Tonga at the moment?	00:39
tinwhiskers	no confirmed cases, but no ability to do any tests, so...	00:39
aldwich	oh, that's dangerous with no testing facility, i hear you	00:39
tinwhiskers	there are about 100 people in quarantine awaiting test results from New Zealand and about 80 people they are still trying to track down who were on a flight with an infected air steward.	00:40
tinwhiskers	They're taking it very seriously for a govt that is usually hopeless at organising anything, so I think they are worried.	00:40
tinwhiskers	If it gets in here the hospital will fail in short order. We are the most overweight country in the world as well.	00:41
tinwhiskers	(last time I checked)	00:41
tinwhiskers	But with a median age of only something like 22, not all that many old people.	00:42
stinkpot	stay safe tinwhiskers	00:42
tinwhiskers	thanks :-)	00:42
stinkpot	did you get any drugs yet?	00:42
stinkpot	in cq or whatever	00:42
tinwhiskers	no. what drugs?	00:42
stinkpot	you might wanna grab some since you live in tonga	00:42
tinwhiskers	chloroquine?	00:43
stinkpot	yeah	00:43
stinkpot	wtf median age of 22	00:43
stinkpot	is that possible	00:43
tinwhiskers	Ah. not an option	00:43
stinkpot	oh ok	00:43
aldwich	do local hospitals have ventilators or oxygen supplies?	00:44
LjL	PSA: chloroquine is a dangerous drug. if you want to grab some and swallow it just in case you're dying, that's up to you, but i'm not sure you won't be more likely to die from the chloroquine than COVID.	00:44
LjL	they have a very strong isolation from the rest of the world	00:44
LjL	that's probably the best anyone can bet on, at the moment	00:44
tinwhiskers	aldwich: there's at least a couple I have seen when I was up at the hospital but it's very small so probably not many more than that	00:44
tinwhiskers	basically if you get serious complications here you're doomed.	00:45
aldwich	all the more reason to be ultra cautious. as stinkpot said, stay safe!	00:45
tinwhiskers	that's the plan :-) cheers	00:46
aldwich	normally are medical supplies sources directly via Australia?	00:46
ubLIX	last i saw you mention it, tinwhiskers, i thought you said you intended to return to NZ?	00:47
tinwhiskers	Aus/NZ mostly. Fiji too. Fiji actually has a relatively decent healthcare system	00:47
tinwhiskers	ubLIX: I did but circumstances changed that	00:47
ubLIX	:/	00:47
tinwhiskers	we'll consider going when flights start again	00:48
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 22:33 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Ruby Princess set to dock in Port Kembla as Australian cases reach 5,687 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 22:33: YouTube will suppress content promoting false 5G coronavirus conspiracy → https://is.gd/xR26FY	00:48
tinwhiskers	Otherwise I might buy a yacht and sail to NZ :-)	00:48
ubLIX	breech travel bans in style!	00:48
tinwhiskers	It's only 7-10 days.	00:48
LjL	i some something on TV where some architect was interviewed who mainly designed airports... he said aiports will have to be designed differently for the future, with spaces where people can wait in for a lot more security checks	00:49
LjL	as if i wasn't already scared by the existing security check, and annoyed by the existing travel restrictions	00:49
LjL	now it'll all be much worse, for... ever?	00:49
tinwhiskers	There's no ban on leaving Tonga in a boat, but you can't arrive by boat. NZ will let me in being a citizen.	00:49
LjL	make it two years until a vaccine has reached everyone, and even afterwards, i don't expect (as many) things to return to "normal" in terms of not just surveillance but also freedom to just go here and there without a ton of certificates and smartphone apps that certify you're healthy	00:50
ubLIX	would like to be a fly on the wall for the conversation with coastguard/customs, though	00:50
tinwhiskers	heh	00:50
stinkpot	tell the tongan government to buy cq or hcq	00:50
stinkpot	it doesn't cost much for them to stockpile a bit of it	00:50
LjL	we don't even know if they're actually effective yet	00:50
stinkpot	who cares it's cheap	00:50
stinkpot	and side effects are very well known	00:51
tinwhiskers	I don't really have the ear of government here even if I thought that was a good idea	00:51
pwr22	<LjL "make it two years until a vaccin"> My main concern with a vaccine is that it has some drawback we don't find at first and due to rushing it out to the whole world bad things happen :(	00:51
tinwhiskers	the side-effects for covid patients are not known	00:51
stinkpot	ljl it's probably one of the most well understood drugs in all of medicine	00:51
tinwhiskers	that's a nice bit of hyperbole	00:51
stinkpot	more people have reactions to ibuprofen than to cq	00:52
LjL	pwr22, well, very optimistically a vaccine could arrive in a year, but then i'd expect that to only be used on people at particular risk, and i'd probably rather want to stay hidden in my basement until the, uhm, real vaccine comes along	00:52
LjL	i can agree that too many people abuse ibuprofen to the point of worrisome adverse reactons	00:52
tinwhiskers	stinkpot: yes. People with covid have terrible reactions to ibuprofen, but it's not known what side effects chloroquine has on covid patients.	00:53
stinkpot	that's true	00:53
tinwhiskers	there's been some mention of a lot of those people dropping dead	00:53
stinkpot	i just meant non covid patients	00:53
stinkpot	ibuprofen in general, not for covid patients, causes a lot of reaction	00:53
tinwhiskers	but that's probably just rumours. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions at this point.	00:53
LjL	tinwhiskers, Side effects: (common) dropping dead	00:53
tinwhiskers	lol	00:53
stinkpot	if you ask ER doctors they get a decent number of patients into the ER with reactions to ibuprofen	00:54
tinwhiskers	anyway, must dash. thankfully the sun is peeking it's head out now. later.	00:54
stinkpot	adios	00:54
stinkpot	Tiger at NYC's Bronx Zoo tests positive for coronavirus	00:54
aldwich	bye for now	00:55
aldwich	has it been de facto ruled out that cats/dogs etc can't transmit it back to humans?	00:57
LjL	no	00:57
LjL	it may be unlikely for reasons that have been mentioned before, but ruled out? pretty sure i can say no	00:58
LjL	there's just a paper out that suggests cat-to-cat transmission works	00:58
eaxomar	tinwhiskers anecdotal evidence suggest that chloroquine does help, it's often used here, with some success, and it's widely used for lupus and arthritis, so we know what side effects to expect and what to watch out for..	01:00
LjL	i'm sure it's used under medical control and not by people on their own accord, though	01:01
LjL	i understand this situation is unusual	01:01
eaxomar	Yes. Don't do that.	01:01
dolby99	eaxomar: affirmative	01:02
aldwich	surely chloroquine is not available with a prescription? the closest i took a few times was malarone but that you cannot get over the counter, so self-medicating would not be an option	01:03
pokiehl	It is available without a prescription.	01:03
v0idkr4ft[m]	The plasma from the recovered with antibodies seemed promising	01:03
pokiehl	It's been in the marker for a while.	01:03
pokiehl	market*	01:03
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 22:59 UTC: (news): Tiger at the Bronx Zoo tests positive for the coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 22:59: A Tiger at the Bronx Zoo Has Tested Positive for Coronavirus → https://is.gd/qId4Zj	01:04
eaxomar	some couple in america used some designed for veterinari use.	01:04
LjL	for some value of "available", i guess	01:04
eaxomar	which ended badly	01:05
aldwich	wow. the rules in germany tightened a little while back for trivial things like paracetamol (quantity restriction) and in uk equally strict	01:05
LjL	aldwich, well, not an answer to your question, but this interesting bit of tiger news seems to come apropos ;(	01:05
LjL	aldwich, yes, there are fears that there will be going to be shortage of certain drugs, including paracetamol	01:06
LjL	due to part of the supply chain being in the parts of China that were locked down, and India consequently restricting exports	01:06
aldwich	shelves were empty here in uk for the past few weeks. all things paracetamol and cough drops	01:07
dolby99	india has a lot of people living there it is quite understandable for them to act that way IMHO	01:07
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1918 cases (now 1271469), +73 recoveries (now 261207) since an hour ago — US: +1853 cases (now 336085), +65 recoveries (now 17242) since an hour ago — Canada: +999 cases (now 15425), +244 recoveries (now 2847) since 6 hours ago	01:09
LjL	dolby99, i didn't say it wasn't	01:10
LjL	but we should be aware of potential shortages (hopefully without hoarding as a prime choice)	01:10
aldwich	LjL: did you see the headline, Boris in hospital? been isolating for 10 days now	01:11
LjL	yes	01:11
LjL	coincidentally happening after the Queen's address	01:12
LjL	but it's just "for tests" (except i suspect he could get tests out of hospital too)	01:12
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 23:09 UTC: US coronavirus live: Trump begins Sunday night White House briefing: Fauci: ‘This is going to be a bad week … just buckle down’ Trump warns of ‘one of toughest weeks’ as deaths pass 8,000 312,085 cases of Covid-19 confirmed in US — from r/WorldNews at 23:09: A Tiger at the Bronx Zoo Has Tested Positive for Coronavirus → https://is.gd/jeXvTP	01:12
aldwich	i doubt it's overly serious for him, but they need to make doubly sure with the PM	01:13
LjL	but at the same time, letting the country know he's in hospital can have serious psychological consequences	01:13
dolby99	LjL: i know	01:13
LjL	these are acts of balancing	01:14
aldwich	thing is, his deputy Raab is clueless. very weak leadership here tbh, but at least Starmer is now Labour leader so he'll be challenging the gov't to hopefully prevent further mis-steps	01:15
ubLIX	Starmer is op leader now? I missed that. Hadn't gotten round to looking into him but he seems sane.	01:16
LjL	ubLIX, no i'm the op leader	01:17
aldwich	he has a lot of credibility and is far more centrist than corbyn	01:17
LjL	oh so you have two center-right parties now, like every other self-respecting european country these days?	01:17
ubLIX	LjL: :p	01:18
ubLIX	i watched a few short videos. he seemed affable and sincere.	01:18
eaxomar	like macron and trudeau	01:18
eaxomar	theatre	01:18
aldwich	he is sincere and does not make things up along the way. if he had been in charge of labour during the last election they would not have been decimated. anyways it's good to have an effective opposition (albeit small in numbers at the moment)	01:19
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 23:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tiger at the Bronx Zoo tests positive for the coronavirus, British PM Boris Johnson admitted to hospital for tests — from r/WorldNews at 23:11: A Tiger at the Bronx Zoo Has Tested Positive for Coronavirus → https://is.gd/4AVlH9	01:20
aldwich	it's getting late for me. off to bed. night all.	01:21
eaxomar	night	01:21
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +1086 cases (now 15512), +339 recoveries (now 2942) since 6 hours ago — New York, US: +987 cases (now 123018) since 2 hours ago — Spain: +887 cases (now 131646), +223 deaths (now 12641) since 2 hours ago	01:24
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 23:24 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Ruby Princess set to dock in Port Kembla as Australian cases reach 5,687 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 23:24: A Tiger at the Bronx Zoo Has Tested Positive for Coronavirus → https://is.gd/xR26FY	01:28
stinkpot	LjL: it'd be terrible if that baby tiger cub they named 'covid' wound up getting the virus	01:34
LjL	;(	01:41
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 23:38 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson admitted to hospital: Ireland’s leader, Leo Varadkar, returns to work as doctor one day a week amid coronavirus crisis — from r/WorldNews at 23:38: A Tiger at the Bronx Zoo Has Tested Positive for Coronavirus → https://is.gd/uaomYC	01:45
linext	did the number of new cases decrease from yesterday?	01:51
Akash[m]	%data india	01:51
Brainstorm	Updates for California, US: +1052 cases (now 15037) since 7 hours ago — World: +1022 cases (now 1272691), +108 recoveries (now 261424) since 32 minutes ago — India: +700 cases (now 4288), +99 recoveries (now 328) since 32 minutes ago	01:51
Brainstorm	Akash[m]: In all areas, India, there are 4288 cases, 117 deaths (2.7% of cases), 328 recoveries as of 6 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.	01:51
LjL	linext, you mean globally?	01:52
linext	yes	01:53
LjL	hmm	01:53
linext	they decreased in new jersey, USA	01:53
LjL	looks like it has if i look at offloop, but looks a bit suspicious	01:53
LjL	like too much of a decrease to be plausible	01:53
LjL	and it's the "live data" for now so there may still be stuff missing to finish the day	01:53
LjL	but... they have decreased slightly in italy, and others have mentioned that they've seemed to decrease in many places	01:54
linext	yesterday was 84,000. Today is 70,000	01:54
ecks	i wouldn't trust (a) one-day trends and (b) stats from Sundays	01:56
LjL	yes a suspiciously weekly trend had also been noted ;)	01:57
LjL	we'll see	01:57
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 23:56 UTC: (news): Tiger at the Bronx Zoo tests positive for the coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 23:56: UK National Health Service coronavirus nurse, 23, dies after 12-hour shift 'without right protective kit' → https://is.gd/qId4Zj	02:01
xrogaan	Time to 500k cases: 3 months. Time to 1M cases: 1 week. Do I have that right?	02:04
pepee	a frigging tiger. we are fscked	02:09
Brainstorm	Updates for Quebec, Canada: +1843 cases (now 7944) since a day ago — World: +1453 cases (now 1274144), +61 recoveries (now 261485) since 24 minutes ago — Brazil: +779 cases (now 11254) since 7 hours ago	02:09
graphine	anyone from wisconsin?	02:12
linext	wut, a tiger	02:14
AimHere	A wave of angry plague tigers is an apocalypse I can get behind	02:15
xrogaan	tigernado	02:15
linext	ebay is selling dog respirators: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aL4AAOSwE-VedUer/s-l1600.jpg	02:16
ecks	lmao nice	02:16
xrogaan	graphine: i'm not, why do you ask?	02:17
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 00:08 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Ruby Princess set to dock in Port Kembla as Australian cases reach 5,687 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 00:08: UK National Health Service coronavirus nurse, 23, dies after 12-hour shift 'without right protective kit' → https://is.gd/xR26FY	02:17
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 00:19 UTC: (news): Carnival's struggle to survive the coronavirus as outbreak wipes out the cruise industry — from r/WorldNews at 00:19: UK National Health Service coronavirus nurse, 23, dies after 12-hour shift 'without right protective kit' → https://is.gd/T8jJMp	02:25
graphine	was just curious how it is there	02:28
graphine	have been there some years ago	02:29
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 00:26 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Ruby Princess set to dock in Port Kembla as Australian cases reach 5,687 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 00:26: UK National Health Service coronavirus nurse, 23, dies after 12-hour shift 'without right protective kit' → https://is.gd/xR26FY	02:33
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:34 UTC: /u/slakmehl: At today's White House coronavirus briefing, President Trump spoke at length in praise of an antiviral drug whose effectiveness against covid-19 is unproven. When his infectious disease expert was asked for his opinion, Trump intervened to prevent him from answering. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4VvIRu	02:41
oriba	linext, LjL: please see graph of france, this seems to be the reason for the world's zig zag	02:46
oriba	maybe artefact of ugly datasets...	02:47
oriba	look at daily cases instead of cumulative	02:47
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 00:38 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson admitted to hospital: Ireland’s leader, Leo Varadkar, returns to work as doctor one day a week amid coronavirus crisis — from r/WorldNews at 00:38: Rees-Mogg firm accused of cashing in on coronavirus crisis → https://is.gd/uaomYC	02:49
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 00:46 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers in two dormitories: Singapore reported the highest daily increase in the number of confirmed cases on Sunday; as of noon local time, there were 120 additional cases of COVID-19. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	02:57
nb	%data indiana	03:05
Brainstorm	nb: In Indiana, US, there are 4411 cases, 127 deaths (2.9% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.	03:05
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 00:54 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Ruby Princess set to dock in Port Kembla as Australian cases reach 5,687 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 00:54: Italian prime minister thanks Trump for being country's 'true and loyal friend' through pandemic → https://is.gd/xR26FY	03:06
jester	https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily	03:12
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 01:11 UTC: (news): Tiger at the Bronx Zoo tests positive for the coronavirus, British PM Boris Johnson admitted to hospital for tests — from r/WorldNews at 01:11: Yukon to provide free cellphones to women in vulnerable situations amid COVID-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/4AVlH9	03:22
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 01:24 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers in two dormitories: Singapore reported the highest daily increase in the number of confirmed cases on Sunday; as of noon local time, there were 120 additional cases of COVID-19. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	03:30
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 01:28 UTC: (news): American Airlines slashes more than 90% of NYC-area flights as the coronavirus hotspot grows more isolated — from r/WorldNews at 01:28: Man shot dead in Philippines for flouting coronavirus rules → https://is.gd/YpvYfQ	03:36
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: People across the UK are apparently burning cellphone masts and abusing engineers on the street over baseless conspiracy theories linking the coronavirus to 5G networks (10014 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvbuuk	03:46
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 01:35 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as Trump again touts hydroxychloroquine: US orders 29m doses of malaria drug; Pakistan quarantines tens of thousands of worshippers; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. — from r/WorldNews at 01:35: Coronavirus latest: More than 100,000 cases in Germany → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	03:48
electricprism[m]	Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons? I'll give it a pass. Bad enough UK installed Chinese 5G -- they are notorious for leaving "security holes" in the CCTV and other equipment.	03:49
ecov	the chinese are can be assumed to have left "security holes" in everything they make	03:53
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 01:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers, South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases — from r/WorldNews at 01:50: Coronavirus latest: More than 100,000 cases in Germany → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	03:55
cyphase	the US total deaths is approaching the 2011-2012 flu season	04:11
tinwhiskers	the USA can be assumed to have left "security holes" in everything they make too. Let's not be too xenophobic and any mention of 5G in here makes me think you're in the wrong place.	04:11
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 02:07 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Australian cases reach 5,748 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 02:07: New report holds China culpable for COVID19 pandemic: calls for compensation → https://is.gd/xR26FY	04:21
oriba	LjL: where is research paper showing that tracking works?	04:22
oriba	I have found a second virologist who says: it does not work	04:22
oriba	https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/covid-19-da-hilft-das-handy-tracking-nicht.676.de.html?dram:article_id=472494	04:22
oriba	https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/podcast/kekule-corona/handytracking-bringt-nur-pseudosicherheit100.html	04:23
oriba	tinwhiskers: sources that show that handy tracking works?	04:23
tinwhiskers	what's handy tracking?	04:24
Toadisattva	how is work defined in this context?	04:24
oriba	case tracking	04:24
tinwhiskers	if you're suggesting contact tracing does not work you're making stuff up	04:24
oriba	"handy" : cwll phone	04:24
oriba	s/scll/sell/	04:24
oriba	s/cwll/sell/	04:25
oriba	what ?	04:25
oriba	making stuff up?	04:25
oriba	experts say: its nonsense. but actionisms-driven people say it works	04:26
oriba	no evidence	04:26
oriba	just hoping	04:26
tinwhiskers	contact tracing is the bread and butter of early response and very much works. You can find people who deny climate change too, but fringe nutters don't make it true.	04:26
oriba	contact tracing yes, but not surveillance. Also if there are 100k cases, how to track them?	04:26
oriba	when epidemiologists say its not working with cellphone tracking, thats more reliable than some irc-laymen	04:27
tinwhiskers	I really don't want to go over this again. You're welcome to believe that the loss of privacy does not justify the benefits but to say it does not help is just a load of bollocks.	04:28
oriba	it's what an expert says who has tracked EHEC	04:28
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 02:26 UTC: (news): Airlines slash more than 90% of flights to coronavirus hot spot NYC — from r/WorldNews at 02:26: New report holds China culpable for COVID19 pandemic: calls for compensation → https://is.gd/YpvYfQ	04:29
tinwhiskers	I'm sure there are certain implementations that have failed as with most things	04:29
tinwhiskers	oh	04:29
Toadisattva	short of pulling a china and forcibly quarantining people are gonna go spread it	04:30
LjL	<oriba> "handy" : cwll phone ← that meaning of "handy" is German only. it won't be understood in english. rather, a "handy" in english is slang for something... very different	04:31
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 02:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers, South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases — from r/WorldNews at 02:41: New report holds China culpable for COVID19 pandemic: calls for compensation → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	04:45
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 02:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Australian cases reach 5,772 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 02:45: New report holds China culpable for COVID19 pandemic: calls for compensation → https://is.gd/xR26FY	04:49
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 02:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as US faces 'hardest and saddest week': US orders 29m doses of malaria drug; Pakistan quarantines tens of thousands of worshippers; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	05:06
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 03:03 UTC: (news): Op-Ed: The US and Russia should work together to defeat the coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 03:03: Coronavirus deals a 'catastrophic' blow to maple syrup producers → https://is.gd/SiD5n0	05:18
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 03:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Australian cases reach 5,772 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 03:15: Coronavirus deals a 'catastrophic' blow to maple syrup producers → https://is.gd/xR26FY	05:22
jester	https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/diy-face-mask-materials-best-180552062.html?guccounter=1	05:23
euod[m]	so it looks like the next issue is going to be culling all cats?	05:24
euod[m]	that'll be widely cried about I'm sure.	05:24
jester	https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html	05:27
jester	https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html	05:32
jacklsw	coronavirus is catastrophic to almost all industries	05:33
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 03:31 UTC: (news): Op-Ed: The US and Russia should work together to defeat the coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 03:31: Coronavirus deals a 'catastrophic' blow to maple syrup producers → https://is.gd/SiD5n0	05:34
ggz_	except the mask industry	05:34
ggz_	also soap industry	05:35
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 03:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Australian cases reach 5,772 – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 03:44: Coronavirus deals a 'catastrophic' blow to maple syrup producers → https://is.gd/xR26FY	05:51
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: The Trump administration is determined to withdraw from a 28-year-old treaty intended to reduce the risk of an accidental war between the west and Russia by allowing reconnaissance flights over each other’s territory. (10028 votes) \| https://redd.it/fviqh7	05:58
stinkpot	ljl when i go to the link i don't see the maple syrup story	06:01
stinkpot	the link is not directing me to the article	06:01
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 04:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Ban wildlife markets to avert pandemics, says UN biodiversity chief — from r/WorldNews at 04:00: Coronavirus deals a 'catastrophic' blow to maple syrup producers → https://is.gd/R20onL	06:07
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +177 cases (now 1274960), +2410 recoveries (now 264761) since 2 hours ago — Iran: +2275 recoveries (now 22011) since 2 hours ago — California, US: +143 cases (now 15180) since 2 hours ago	06:21
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 04:15 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as US faces 'hardest and saddest week': US orders 29m doses of hydroxychloroquine; Japan to declare state of emergency; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. — from r/WorldNews at 04:15: Italy starts to look ahead to 'phase two' as COVID-19 death toll slows → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	06:23
ryouma	did i miss anything in the last 4 days or so of ignoring the news and the channel?	06:26
IndoAnon	feline can get corona virus, boris is taken to hospital... what else?	06:28
ryouma	so cats can possibly spread it?	06:31
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 04:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers, South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases — from r/WorldNews at 04:25: Taiwanese woman deported from South Korea for refusing to stay at quarantine facility → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	06:31
ryouma	i watched a japanese drama that was made before the pandemic. it has a lot of stuff relevant to it: superspreaders, contact tracing, keeping foreigners safe from the possibility of infection during olympics. it almost looks as if it had been made next year.	06:32
tinwhiskers	ryouma: maybe, but not very well. You should probably not concern yourself about cats as much as your neighbours.	06:33
ryouma	that's good. cats jump on things and stuff.	06:34
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 04:28 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as US faces 'hardest and saddest week': US orders 29m doses of hydroxychloroquine; Japan to declare state of emergency; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	06:35
ryouma	i'm leaving a window open. a couple of meters from neighbor house but nobody passes by frequently so i figure the fresh air is better than not.	06:35
daveinaus	yeah boris was taken to hospital 'for tests'. let's see when and if he gets out of there.	06:36
tinwhiskers	ryouma: fresh air is good for removing the virus from rooms to lower the chance of people getting infected, but if you're the only one in the room it's not really going to help.	06:36
ryouma	i wonder if fear will increase the more politiicans and celebrities start dying	06:37
ryouma	running out of tissues and stuff...	06:38
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 04:35 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Blood tests will determine who has had coronavirus — and may be immune - SFChronicle.com — from r/WorldNews at 04:35: Taiwanese woman deported from South Korea for refusing to stay at quarantine facility → https://is.gd/AtyYHq	06:39
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 04:38 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nature has published an unedited manuscript from a group of German virologists that closely monitored a small group of patients to see where the virus is present at various stages in it's progression. — from r/WorldNews at 04:38: Taiwanese woman deported from South Korea for refusing to stay at quarantine facility → https://is.gd/PDQ8Cd	06:43
ryouma	i am about to spend 170 usd for an inhaler. so much for legislation that is supposed to makde insurance companies help out for covid.	06:50
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 04:46 UTC: (news): Op-Ed: The US and Russia should work together to defeat the coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 04:46: Taiwanese woman deported from South Korea for refusing to stay at quarantine facility → https://is.gd/SiD5n0	06:52
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 05:10 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Europe's coronavirus numbers offer hope as US enters 'peak of terrible pandemic' \| World news \| The Guardian [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/f8oUZN	07:12
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 05:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers, South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	07:20
Flaviker	!covid usa	07:25
CoronaBot	USA: Global rank: #1, cases: 336,830 (+157), fatalities: 9,618 (+2), active cases: 309,235, total recovered: 17,977, in a serious condition: 8,702. Mortality: 2.86%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 1018.0, deaths/1M: 29.0. Case rate: 25,316/24h, death rate: 1,165/24h. Tests: 1,772,369, tests/1M: 5,355.	07:25
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as Japan prepares for state of emergency: US faces ‘hardest and saddest week’; South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	07:37
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: Premier infuriated by Trump, says Canada helped US amid 9/11 (10088 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvl6el	07:40
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 05:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers, South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	07:45
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 05:45 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as Japan prepares for state of emergency: US faces ‘hardest and saddest week’; South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	07:53
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 05:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Singapore quarantines nearly 20,000 workers, South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	07:57
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: Prague Removes Statue of Soviet-Era Commander, Angering Russia (10011 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvffx9	08:04
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 05:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Australian cases reach 5,772 – latest news [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xR26FY	08:09
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1071 cases (now 1276031), +191 recoveries (now 264952) since 2 hours ago — Finland: +249 cases (now 2176) since 4 hours ago — Israel: +181 cases (now 8611), +108 recoveries (now 585) since 2 hours ago	08:37
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 06:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as Japan prepares for state of emergency: US faces ‘hardest and saddest week’; South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	08:38
chung	I have one question. I heard that vaccine for coronavirus could take around 12-14 months. Is it real?	08:40
chung	Why shall we have to wait that long?	08:40
tinwhiskers	yes, that is true	08:40
tinwhiskers	vaccines need testing. For example, a vaccine could inadvertently cause the disease to be far worse via antibody dependent enhancement. We can't put millions of people at risk due to poor testing.	08:41
tinwhiskers	There may be treatments available before then that will make the disease less severe or acts as a prophylactic to the virus.	08:42
chung	tinwhiskers: Thanks, but are 3-4 months not long enough for testing?	08:43
chung	12-14 months, too long...	08:43
daveinaus	and vaccines may also interfere with current medical conditions / medications, so there are many possiblities to rule out before they can be deemed safe to use	08:43
tinwhiskers	not according to the experts. They say 12-18 months is very fast.	08:43
chung	tinwhiskers: daveinaus: Thanks for your kind info.	08:44
tinwhiskers	perhaps they need to rule out mid-term effects of the vaccine as well as short term effects.	08:44
daveinaus	apologies for interrupting the conversation. lol	08:44
tinwhiskers	daveinaus: not at all. public forum. :-)	08:45
chung	I started to count how many tiles in my toilet. lol	08:46
tinwhiskers	heh	08:47
ryouma	why are politicians so slow to do lockdowsn, fgrom the perspectiove of many ordi9nary citizens?	08:52
ryouma	before the pandemic you would expect the citizens would be upset at the lockdowns, but they are calling for it	08:52
CatButtes[m]	I suspect because lockdown has the potential for major negative economic impacts and they don’t want to be known as the guy who yanked the economy	08:52
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: YouTube will suppress content promoting false 5G coronavirus conspiracy (10112 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvlm8b	08:53
ryouma	i suepct it is because they are being lobbied hard	08:53
PlanckWalk	Yeah, instead they get known as the guy who scrapped the economy and killed people.	08:53
CatButtes[m]	Especially once things have settled and people forget that they were calling for lockedown	08:53
PlanckWalk	By doing exactly the same thing but 2 weeks later.	08:53
ryouma	hair salons considered essential.. that is a sign of lobbying.	08:53
CatButtes[m]	Or worse - the lockdown works and they are deemed to have done it when it wasn’t needed	08:53
PlanckWalk	At least if they do it later, they get to point at the mound of bodies as justifying the need to do something drastic.	08:54
PlanckWalk	Because foresight is punished.	08:54
ryouma	that was then. this is now.	08:54
ryouma	imo	08:54
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 06:51 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: India cases rise despite ongoing lockdown, Singapore doles out third stimulus package: India's health ministry said as of Monday morning, there are at least 4,067 confirmed cases of infection and 109 deaths from COVID-19. Around 292 people have been cured and discharged. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	08:54
ryouma	is taiwan still doing well?	08:55
chung	For now people are longing for the official shutdown announcement.	08:57
chung	I, myself, have a few day a week working from home.	08:58
chung	Mostly I still have to go outside.	08:59
paradoxpenguin	%data canada	08:59
Brainstorm	paradoxpenguin: In all areas, Canada, there are 15512 cases, 280 deaths (1.8% of cases), 2942 recoveries as of 11 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries).	08:59
PlanckWalk	I'm not a fan of Australia's "everyone who has a job is an essential worker" :(	09:02
PlanckWalk	Telemarketers in call centres are essential workers :(	09:02
tinwhiskers	Where are you chung?	09:04
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 06:56 UTC: (news): UK cell towers torched amid bogus conspiracy theories that link 5G with coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 06:56: Coronavirus: nearly half a million Chinese companies close in first quarter as pandemic batters economy → https://is.gd/kVawf5	09:06
tinwhiskers	chung: I'm guessing by your comment, "For now people are longing for the official shutdown announcement" that you're in Japan?	09:08
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 07:05 UTC: (news): European markets bounce, cheered by gradual slowdown in new coronavirus cases; Stoxx 600 up 2.5% — from r/WorldNews at 07:05: Coronavirus: nearly half a million Chinese companies close in first quarter as pandemic batters economy → https://is.gd/UzVNkw	09:10
jester	https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/coronaviruscurve/	09:18
jester	https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/has-covid-19-messed-up-your-finances-here-s-how-to-fight-for-a-fair-deal-1.5522127	09:24
daveinaus	PlanckWalk: I work for government here in AU, so classed as essential worker.	09:26
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 07:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Victoria police issue 108 fines in 24 hours – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 07:19: Ban wildlife markets to avert pandemics, says UN biodiversity chief → https://is.gd/xR26FY	09:27
daveinaus	I thought the goldie beaches were closed already	09:28
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health at 07:31 UTC: Coronavirus: When will we know the UK lockdown is working?: Almost two weeks after Britons were confined to their homes, is the coronavirus curve flattening? — from r/WorldNews at 07:31: Coronavirus can remain on face masks for a week → https://is.gd/7rEaiW	09:35
Akash[m]	%data uk	09:37
Brainstorm	Akash[m]: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 47806 cases, 4934 deaths (10.3% of cases), 135 recoveries as of 10 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.	09:37
Akash[m]	Wtf uk	09:38
Akash[m]	10%	09:38
Akash[m]	Rip	09:38
ArthurStrong	RIP	09:39
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 07:40 UTC: (news): European markets bounce, cheered by gradual slowdown in new coronavirus cases; Stoxx 600 up 3% — from r/WorldNews at 07:40: Coronavirus can remain on face masks for a week → https://is.gd/UzVNkw	09:43
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1192 cases (now 1277223), +991 recoveries (now 265943) since an hour ago — Russia: +954 cases (now 6343), +51 recoveries (now 406) since 3 hours ago — Switzerland: +883 recoveries (now 7298) since 3 hours ago	09:52
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: Spain to implement universal basic income in the country in response to Covid-19 crisis. “But the government’s broader ambition is that basic income becomes an instrument ‘that stays forever, that becomes a structural instrument, a permanent instrument,’ she said.” (11028 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvs927	09:53
Mumuks[m]	I'm so glad I left that country, Spain always finds a way to bankrupt itself	09:58
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 07:50 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson spends night in hospital: Follow the latest coronavirus developments in the UK after the prime minister was admitted to hospital for further tests — from r/WorldNews at 07:50: Coronavirus can remain on face masks for a week → https://is.gd/1soDNs	10:00
Mumuks[m]	Luckily for them, from what I know of the Spanish politicians, they are not implementing money for everybody forever, in reality they are just giving money to pump up the economic numbers, aka stimulus, and advertising it as basic "income" to score brownie points	10:00
aradesh	the UK seem to be applying some novel tactics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvbkehQqOY	10:06
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 08:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via — from r/WorldNews at 08:10: Coronavirus can remain on face masks for a week → https://is.gd/1krWjr	10:12
____GOD____	Hmmm	10:17
____GOD____	Oh wow...UK PM	10:18
____GOD____	Wow...spain, that is AWESOME	10:18
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 08:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scuole — from r/WorldNews at 08:15: Coronavirus can remain on face masks for a week → https://is.gd/jLbqmE	10:20
____GOD____	By the way, it seems that if SARS-COV-2 was bred from batcovratg13 in a lab by passing it through multiple ferret hosts or similar, that will not be a happy scene for the human species	10:26
_io_	according to who ____GOD____	10:28
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 08:25 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in hospital as Japan prepares for state of emergency: US faces ‘hardest and saddest week’; South Korea reports fewer than 50 new cases; Bronx Zoo tiger tests positive; Follow the latest updates. — from r/WorldNews at 08:25: Coronavirus can remain on face masks for a week → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	10:28
____GOD____	According to a research paper	10:28
____GOD____	Sigh...I should /ignore io	10:29
_io_	k which one	10:29
____GOD____	Not feeding the troll	10:29
____GOD____	(io)	10:29
_io_	peer reviewed or prepublication?	10:29
sucaiking	yup guys i just want to ask	10:31
sucaiking	does anyone knows UCR World News ?	10:32
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 08:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Storie — from r/WorldNews at 08:35: Mumbai's Wockhardt Hospital declared containment zone after 26 nurses, three doctors test positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/u2bWfm	10:40
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 08:40 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: India cases rise despite ongoing lockdown, Singapore doles out third stimulus package: India's health ministry said as of Monday morning, there are at least 4,067 confirmed cases of infection and 109 deaths from COVID-19. Around 292 people have been cured and discharged. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	10:45
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1079 cases (now 1278302), +58 deaths (now 69596), +515 recoveries (now 266458) since an hour ago — Russia: +954 cases (now 6343), +51 recoveries (now 406) since 4 hours ago — Switzerland: +76 cases (now 21176), +883 recoveries (now 7298) since 4 hours ago	10:52
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 08:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: La sottostima dei decessi — from r/WorldNews at 08:49: Mumbai's Wockhardt Hospital declared containment zone after 26 nurses, three doctors test positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/eT7Z80	10:53
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 08:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Dopo essere stato ospedalizzato ieri sera, Boris Johnson è ancora all'ospedale con sintomi persistenti di Coronavirus. — from r/WorldNews at 08:53: Mumbai's Wockhardt Hospital declared containment zone after 26 nurses, three doctors test positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/3p28to	10:57
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 08:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Gold Coast beaches close as Victoria police issue 108 fines in 24 hours – latest news — from r/WorldNews at 08:53: Bomb tests reveal true age of world's largest fish → https://is.gd/xR26FY	11:01
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 08:59 UTC: Europe looks for lockdown exit strategy as rate of new coronavirus cases and deaths slows: There are tentative hopes in Europe that the coronavirus outbreak could be slowing, as the number of new infections and fatalities starts to slow down, according to data over the weekend. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rRgPig	11:05
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 09:10 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson spends night in hospital: Follow the latest coronavirus developments in the UK after the prime minister was admitted to hospital for further tests — from r/WorldNews at 09:10: Bomb tests reveal true age of world's largest fish → https://is.gd/1soDNs	11:17
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1296 cases (now 1279598), +189 deaths (now 69785), +238 recoveries (now 266696) since 37 minutes ago — Belgium: +1123 cases (now 20814), +185 deaths (now 1632), +235 recoveries (now 3986) since 7 hours ago — Russia: +954 cases (now 6343), +51 recoveries (now 406) since 5 hours ago	11:22
chung	tinwhiskers: Sorry for late reply. I am in Thailand.	11:25
chung	I'm a Chinese working in Thailand.	11:26
chung	But I have been living here long before the outbreak.	11:27
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 09:31 UTC: (news): UK cell towers torched amid bogus conspiracy theories that link 5G with coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 09:31: Bomb tests reveal true age of world's largest fish → https://is.gd/kVawf5	11:34
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 09:36 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: India cases rise despite ongoing lockdown, Singapore doles out third stimulus package: India's health ministry said as of Monday morning, there are at least 4,067 confirmed cases of infection and 109 deaths from COVID-19. Around 292 people have been cured and discharged. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	11:42
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 09:42 UTC: Europe looks for lockdown exit strategy as rate of new coronavirus cases and deaths slows: There are tentative hopes in Europe that the coronavirus outbreak could be slowing, as the number of new infections and fatalities starts to slow down, according to data over the weekend. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rRgPig	11:46
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 09:47 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: India cases rise despite ongoing lockdown, Singapore doles out third stimulus package: India's health ministry said as of Monday morning, there are at least 4,067 confirmed cases of infection and 109 deaths from COVID-19. Around 292 people have been cured and discharged. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	11:50
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +3549 cases (now 1283147), +416 deaths (now 70201), +2755 recoveries (now 269451) since 33 minutes ago — Spain: +3386 cases (now 135032), +414 deaths (now 13055), +2357 recoveries (now 40437) since 33 minutes ago — Austria: +465 recoveries (now 3463) since 8 hours ago	11:52
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 09:55 UTC: Europe looks for lockdown exit strategy as rate of new coronavirus cases and deaths slows: There are tentative hopes in Europe that the coronavirus outbreak could be slowing, as the number of new infections and fatalities starts to slow down, according to data over the weekend. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rRgPig	11:58
Mumuks[m]	chung: when I was in Thailand last year I met a Chinese guy living there recently	11:59
stinkpot	hi chung	11:59
stinkpot	how does thailand compare to your hometown?	12:00
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 10:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate declines further; US virus hotspots in focus — from r/WorldNews at 10:10: Italian prime minister says "political choices must be based on scientific evidence" in COVID-19 response → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	12:14
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 10:12 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson spends night in hospital: Follow the latest coronavirus developments in the UK after the prime minister was admitted to hospital for further tests — from r/WorldNews at 10:12: Italian prime minister says "political choices must be based on scientific evidence" in COVID-19 response → https://is.gd/1soDNs	12:19
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 10:17 UTC: Europe looks for lockdown exit strategy as rate of new coronavirus cases and deaths slows: There are tentative hopes in Europe that the coronavirus outbreak could be slowing, as the number of new infections and fatalities starts to slow down, according to data over the weekend. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rRgPig	12:23
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 10:24 UTC: In Africa's largest 'slum,' a grassroots movement is spearheading the fight against coronavirus: Around four miles southwest of the center of Nairobi, residents in Africa's largest 'slum' — the sprawling, densely-populated informal settlement of Kibera — are bracing for the coronavirus pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Dl4klW	12:27
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 10:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate declines further; US virus hotspots in focus — from r/WorldNews at 10:27: Tigers at Bronx Zoo tests positive for COVID 19 after developing coughs. This comes after a study showing 15% of cats in Wuhan had COVID 19, and one instance in Belgium of a cat falling sick from COVID → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	12:31
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +2624 cases (now 1285771), +148 deaths (now 70349), +2270 recoveries (now 271721) since 49 minutes ago — Iran: +2274 cases (now 60500), +136 deaths (now 3739), +2225 recoveries (now 24236) since an hour ago — Austria: +465 recoveries (now 3463) since 8 hours ago	12:37
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 10:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain deaths lower for fourth day in a row as Germany sees further case drop — from r/WorldNews at 10:45: Covid-19 coronavirus: UK Prime Minister 'on oxygen' after being hospitalised → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	12:51
DocScrutinizer05	damn! poor cats	12:56
Jigsy	Wow.	12:57
Jigsy	Even Tigers get COVID-19.	12:57
jacklsw	now virus affects feline	12:58
Biep[m]	How many tigers have been found positive at the Bronx zoo by now?	13:03
Biep[m]	LjL: would it be very hard to have Brainstorm keep a data base, and refrain from reposting the same link? Or is the link subtly different each time?	13:03
Scarecr0w	Biep[m]: I think it's different.	13:06
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 11:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate declines further; US virus hotspots in focus — from r/WorldNews at 11:05: Covid-19 coronavirus: UK Prime Minister 'on oxygen' after being hospitalised → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	13:07
dividediff[m]	Joe, are you online?	13:07
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 11:20 UTC: Europe looks for lockdown exit strategy as rate of new coronavirus cases and deaths slows: There are tentative hopes in Europe that the coronavirus outbreak could be slowing, as the number of new infections and fatalities starts to slow down, according to data over the weekend. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rRgPig	13:24
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 11:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate declines further; US virus hotspots in focus — from r/WorldNews at 11:27: Covid-19 coronavirus: UK Prime Minister 'on oxygen' after being hospitalised → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	13:32
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 11:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Austria — from r/WorldNews at 11:37: Coronavirus: Ban wildlife markets to prevent future pandemics, says UN biodiversity chief - ‘The message we are getting is if we don’t take care of nature, it will take care of us,’ Elizabeth Maruma Mrema says → https://is.gd/yTurU9	13:40
Jigsy	>UK Prime Minister 'on oxygen'a	13:43
Jigsy	There's a first time for everything I guess.	13:43
adventurer	https://twitter.com/QandA/status/1247128253891874817?s=20	13:50
adventurer	many doctors in AU answering questions about Coronavirus in AU	13:50
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1629 cases (now 1287400), +126 deaths (now 70475), +161 recoveries (now 271882) since an hour ago — Netherlands: +952 cases (now 18803), +101 deaths (now 1867) since an hour ago — Austria: +58 cases (now 12109), +465 recoveries (now 3463) since 10 hours ago	13:52
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 11:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate declines further; US virus hotspots in focus [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VlXtfc	13:52
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 11:53 UTC: (news): European markets bounce, cheered by gradual slowdown in new coronavirus cases; Stoxx 600 up 3% [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UzVNkw	13:56
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 12:01 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Monday: Dow futures point to a jump at Monday's open as improved coronavirus data in Europe offered hope for the United States. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UgayGj	14:04
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 12:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Irlanda — from r/WorldNews at 12:05: Coronavirus: Ban wildlife markets to prevent future pandemics, says UN biodiversity chief - ‘The message we are getting is if we don’t take care of nature, it will take care of us,’ Elizabeth Maruma Mrema says → https://is.gd/CEvhDX	14:08
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 12:07 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Monday: Dow futures point to a jump at Monday's open as improved coronavirus data in Europe offered hope for the United States. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UgayGj	14:12
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 12:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/owp8e1	14:16
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 12:22 UTC: Europe looks for lockdown exit strategy as rate of new coronavirus cases and deaths slows: There are tentative hopes in Europe that the coronavirus outbreak could be slowing, as the number of new infections and fatalities starts to slow down, according to data over the weekend. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rRgPig	14:25
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 12:31 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Monday: Dow futures point to a jump at Monday's open as improved coronavirus data in Europe offered hope for the United States. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UgayGj	14:37
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 12:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain deaths lower for fourth day in a row as Germany sees further case drop — from r/WorldNews at 12:35: Vanuatu, one of the few country with no confirm cases of Covid-19, get direct hit by cat 5 Cyclone Harold. Population: 300 000 → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	14:41
aradesh	hehe: https://i.imgflip.com/3uhz3k.jpg	14:54
echobbyist	can covid virus spread in air?	15:03
bree33	yes	15:04
aradesh	echobbyist: it can yes. which is why we're recommended to keep 2m or 6ft from people. it is generally not an airborne virus though, and tends to settle on surfaces. so providing you're keeping away from people, the next thing to be aware of is surfaces that other people have touched recently (say within the last 12 hours)	15:07
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1032 cases (now 1288432), +109 deaths (now 70584), +68 recoveries (now 271950) since an hour ago — Netherlands: +952 cases (now 18803), +101 deaths (now 1867) since 2 hours ago — Austria: +155 cases (now 12206), +465 recoveries (now 3463) since 11 hours ago	15:07
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:03 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Monday: Dow futures point to a jump at Monday's open as improved coronavirus data in Europe offered hope for the United States. — from r/WorldNews at 13:03: Vanuatu, one of the few country with no confirm cases of Covid-19, get direct hit by cat 5 Cyclone Harold. Population: 300 000 → https://is.gd/UgayGj	15:09
kreyren	Czech republic will accept 6 patients from France for covid-19 treatment	15:10
aradesh	that's nice of them	15:11
kreyren	well already accepted, they will be treated in prague in hospital Na Bulovce depending on the way we are will handle these 6 cases we will accept more patients	15:11
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 13:10: Vanuatu, one of the few country with no confirm cases of Covid-19, get direct hit by cat 5 Cyclone Harold. Population: 300 000 → https://is.gd/owp8e1	15:13
kreyren	Also apparently we have spare desinfection (Brno decided to desinfect plastic and metal surfices with the ethanol-based desinfection that we've confiscated from alcohol plants) does any other country need them now?	15:14
IndoAnon	> ethanol-based desinfection that we've confiscated from alcohol plants) < not the alcoholol	15:16
IndoAnon	I guess, it's time for everyone to brew their own alcohol	15:17
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 13:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Boris Johnson ha neccessitato di ossigeno, no conferme su ventilatore. — from r/WorldNews at 13:14: Vanuatu, one of the few country with no confirm cases of Covid-19, get direct hit by cat 5 Cyclone Harold. Population: 300 000 → https://is.gd/bAX6Ut	15:17
kreyren	Also depending on Covid-19 results in wednesday (the cases in czechia seems to peaked 25.03.2020 and are now under control and all covid-19 patients are in quarantine or treated) we will be revoking the measures for quarantine state-wide but we will stay in quarantine from the world (potentially opening borders to slovakia)	15:18
kreyren	IndoAnon, tbh i don't know where they took those i was told that government confiscated these from some company and now we have lots of desinfection that has been distributed to important companies and inviduals that are responsible for economy and treatment	15:19
kreyren	i was told that it was from alcohol plant	15:19
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 13:20: Egyptian lawyers to sue China for trillions over 'coronavirus damages' → https://is.gd/owp8e1	15:26
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:29 UTC: (news): Airlines slash more than 90% of flights to coronavirus hot spot NYC — from r/WorldNews at 13:29: Nigerian actress arrested for holding a lockdown party in her Lagos mansion → https://is.gd/YpvYfQ	15:34
LjL	Biep[m]: are you referring to the second headline it pastes if there's room for it? That's repeated by design as it's supposed to be more important news than the first part, which is what the URL links to	15:39
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 13:35: Nigerian actress arrested for holding a lockdown party in her Lagos mansion → https://is.gd/owp8e1	15:42
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:46 UTC: (news): Chief surgeon at top New York hospital likens the upcoming week in coronavirus fight to war: This is 'our Fallujah' — from r/WorldNews at 13:46: Nigerian actress arrested for holding a lockdown party in her Lagos mansion → https://is.gd/gdYpgh	15:50
aradesh	boris 'remains in hospital'	15:52
aradesh	and apparently received oxygen treatment	15:52
explore	yeah the virus attacks you in a way that makes medical practitioners wanna pump oxygen into you	15:52
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 13:52: Nigerian actress arrested for holding a lockdown party in her Lagos mansion → https://is.gd/owp8e1	15:54
LjL	%fdroid covid	15:55
Brainstorm	LjL, COVID-19 Italia 1.1.8.1 (org.twistedappdeveloper.statocovid19italia) in https://f-droid.org/repo: It is an application for simplified access to data on the spread of covid-19 in - updated 2020-04-06, see https://github.com/SimoneTinella/Stato_COVID19_Italia_Android	15:55
Brainstorm	LjL, Last time I checked, not all indexes could be downloaded!	15:55
LjL	%fdroid corona stats	15:55
Brainstorm	LjL, Corona Stats 1.0.2 (com.aurora.corona) in https://f-droid.org/repo: COVID19 Statistics for India - updated 2020-04-06, see https://gitlab.com/AuroraOSS/CoronaStats/blob/HEAD/CHANGELOG	15:55
Brainstorm	LjL, Last time I checked, not all indexes could be downloaded!	15:55
LjL	Couple of just released covid related android apps	15:55
pwr22	Looks like the markets are rallying a bit?	15:57
pwr22	Just got a bunch of notifications that things are up	15:57
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 13:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson remains in hospital 'for observation' after 'comfortable night' — from r/WorldNews at 13:52: Nigerian actress arrested for holding a lockdown party in her Lagos mansion → https://is.gd/1soDNs	15:58
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: Covid-19 coronavirus: UK Prime Minister 'on oxygen' after being hospitalised (10879 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvw4lq	15:59
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 13:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 13:58: Nigerian actress arrested for holding a lockdown party in her Lagos mansion → https://is.gd/owp8e1	16:02
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1122 cases (now 1289554), +124 recoveries (now 272074) since an hour ago — Netherlands: +952 cases (now 18803), +101 deaths (now 1867) since 3 hours ago — Austria: +185 cases (now 12236), +465 recoveries (now 3463) since 12 hours ago	16:07
dividediff[m]	Anyone have a fav service to show cases/million in countries?	16:12
ecov	johns hopkins	16:13
ecov	website	16:13
dividediff[m]	ecov: That's this website right? arcgis	16:14
pwr22	<dividediff[m] "Anyone have a fav service to sho"> Cov Bot :D	16:14
pwr22	Oh sorry, misunderstood	16:14
LjL	dividediff[m]: the site in the channel topic does that of you click the by population check box. Otherwise, covidly.com has all sorts of graphs	16:14
pwr22	Per population is a feature that's been requested	16:14
pwr22	If someone can point me at a good source of population data I'll add it	16:14
ecov	dividediff[m]: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/	16:14
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 14:12 UTC: (news): European markets bounce, cheered by gradual slowdown in new coronavirus cases; Stoxx 600 up 3.7% — from r/WorldNews at 14:12: 5G cell towers torched in U.K. amid bogus coronavirus theories → https://is.gd/UzVNkw	16:15
dividediff[m]	LjL: offloop?	16:15
LjL	Yes	16:15
dividediff[m]	ecov: Seems to be the same, on a glance, this one has a less crowded header https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6	16:16
dividediff[m]	LjL: offloop thumbs up!	16:20
dividediff[m]	If the doubling time is 10 days, that means in 10 days the number of total cases have doubled? So day 0 = 1000 cases, day 10 = 2000 cases?	16:26
redlegion	Has anyone seen any comparisons between the 2002-2004 SARS outbreak and the current novel coronavirus? I'd be interested in seeing a clinician weigh in on whether the previous virus was more infectious.	16:26
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 14:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Ministers 'seeking to smear civil servants' over coronavirus handling — from r/WorldNews at 14:23: 5G cell towers torched in U.K. amid bogus coronavirus theories → https://is.gd/tz8etb	16:31
CoronaBot	04/r/worldnews: 'Bad news': radiation spikes 16 times above normal after forest fire near Chernobyl (10052 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvnqg2	16:35
Biep[m]	<LjL "Biep: are you referring to the s"> No, I meant the repeated posting of exactly the same link, as in these messages:	16:36
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1150 cases (now 1290704), +55 deaths (now 70654) since 35 minutes ago — Netherlands: +952 cases (now 18803), +101 deaths (now 1867) since 4 hours ago — US: +853 cases (now 337925) since 4 hours ago	16:37
dividediff[m]	CoronaBot: why is corona bot talking about chernobyl?	16:37
sYN4P515	!r unfollow worldnews	16:38
CoronaBot	,01[OK] Successfully unsubscribed from worldnews!	16:38
sYN4P515	!r follow coronavirus 10000	16:38
CoronaBot	,01[OK] sYN4P515, I'm now following /r/coronavirus, minimum upvotes for a post to be shown is set to 10000	16:38
sYN4P515	should be better now	16:39
dividediff[m]	sYN4P515: nce!	16:39
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 14:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 14:36: 5G cell towers torched in U.K. amid bogus coronavirus theories → https://is.gd/owp8e1	16:39
bin_bash	so many bots such little new content	16:39
iz	on the positive side, the daily increase in cases has stopped increasing in the usa. on the negative side, it also seems like testing sharply dropped off in the usa 3 days ago :/ https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html	16:41
jiffe	that's our new "mitigation" strategy :)	16:42
iz	:/ sad but true	16:44
dividediff[m]	jiffe: Can you summarize what's usa's real strategy is in like a sentence?	16:45
iz	too little, too late :b	16:45
dividediff[m]	Sounds like uk's old 4 stage plan	16:47
jiffe	dividediff[m]: that was a joke, the numbers can't get worse if the tests that they're based on aren't being performed :)	16:50
iz	i think the other issue in the usa is so many mixed messages and a non-uniform shelter-in-place procedure being done by a state-by-state or even city-by-city level	16:51
dividediff[m]	jiffe: yea	16:51
Brainstorm	New from BMJ at 14:41 UTC: Health surveillance during covid-19 pandemic: Societies are responding to the covid-19 pandemic at breathtaking speed. Many of these ad hoc responses will have long lasting consequences, and we must make sure that today’s efforts do not threaten... [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/12gy5j	16:51
dividediff[m]	iz: Is shelter in place an american term? I've nvr heard it before corona	16:52
iz	well, idk if it's american, but it's a term used in certain emergency situations	16:52
genera	its part of their school shooting cultur	16:52
iz	like if there is an armed gunman going around shooting ppl randomly in the streets and the cops haven't handled the situation yet, they will tell everyone to shelter in place, so bystanders won't wander into the crossfire	16:53
iz	yeah	16:53
iz	that's the other place i've heard it used	16:53
dividediff[m]	Is this the correct order of intensity?:	16:53
dividediff[m]	Shelter in place > quarantine > lock down	16:53
iz	i think they are all basically words that ppl use interchangeably now	16:54
blkshp	quarantine would be stronger than shelter in place.	16:54
iz	quarantine is technically more for if you have tested positive	16:54
blkshp	you're locked in and not even air can get through.	16:54
iz	but ppl use it to talk about sheltering in place or the lock down	16:54
dzho	the thing I really don't like in a lot of the talk around these terms is that some people take away the impression that it is being outside, rather than being around other people, that is the main problem.	16:55
blkshp	And this is why i hate humans and language. They take perfectly good words that mean something specific and fuck them up.	16:55
dzho	so yeah I'll just nip over to visit my friend or family but we'll stay inside	16:55
blkshp	"literally" for example.	16:55
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Julia Belluz su Twitter: "And it’s official: @sebastiankurz just announced Austria will be the first EU country to begin easing #covid19 lockdown and restart the economy Small shops open with restrictions on April 14; by May 1, all shops open.… https://t.co/soJ2DMIVoj" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GwpSWz	16:55
blkshp	That was a definitive word. You knew what it meant but then the 2000s happened and people got annoying! :D	16:55
iz	dzho: yeah, or like the ppl who meet up outside but stay 6 feet away from each other	16:56
dzho	quarantine, as I understand it, is a preventative. isolation is the term used for someone who is diagnosed and needs to be kept away from other patients.	16:56
iz	that's not really what that 6 feet guideline is meant for	16:56
dividediff[m]	reddit is covered in 6 ft hangouts	16:57
dzho	well, I see people walking together, presumably from the same family, so not keeping their distance is fine. Then I see others, walking or running, but keeping some distance from each other.	16:59
dzho	then there are a couple of groups I've seen, at least one that I know came together from separate households, where they walked shoulder-to-shoulder	16:59
dzho	this is all while I'm out for my daily walk trying to stay as alone as possilbe	17:01
dzho	best walk was last night at around 10pm I saw no one, and was quite happy for it	17:02
dividediff[m]	they maybe need different rules for high rises, the elevators would be kill zones	17:03
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 15:01 UTC: (news): Chief surgeon at top New York hospital likens the upcoming week in coronavirus fight to war: This is 'our Fallujah' — from r/WorldNews at 15:01: Turkey to ensure beloved street cats don't go hungry during coronavirus crisis → https://is.gd/gdYpgh	17:03
dzho	dividediff[m]: yes	17:06
Brainstorm	Updates for US: +1827 cases (now 338899), +59 deaths (now 9679) since 4 hours ago — World: +1077 cases (now 1291781) since 33 minutes ago — Florida, US: +974 cases (now 13324) since 5 hours ago	17:07
dividediff[m]	It seems house cats are mostly immune to corona, but lions and tiger aren't?	17:07
dzho	yeah who knows	17:08
CatButtes[m]	dividediff: Where did you see housecats are immune? I thought I saw the opposite the other day!	17:08
dividediff[m]	CatButtes: user name checks out! I've heard only like a handful of reports that house cats can get it. I assume that implies that most cats cannot get it.	17:09
dividediff[m]	most housecats**	17:10
CatButtes[m]	I think at the moment it implies more a lack of research into housecats and covid-19	17:10
dividediff[m]	CatButtes: tru. At very least, i haven't heard recommendation to isolate cats if their human is too isolate	17:11
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 15:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines → https://is.gd/owp8e1	17:12
dividediff[m]	i belive i've seen some reports of dogs getting it too	17:12
Flaviker	!covid usa	17:13
CoronaBot	USA: Global rank: #1, cases: 338,899 (+2,226), fatalities: 9,679 (+63), active cases: 311,218, total recovered: 18,002, in a serious condition: 8,702. Mortality: 2.86%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 1024.0, deaths/1M: 29.0. Case rate: 25,316/24h, death rate: 1,165/24h. Tests: 1,780,503, tests/1M: 5,379.	17:13
CatButtes[m]	Yeah. Hopefully it isn't as severe in them though. Having seen the stories of humans who have it, I would hate to watch my cat go that route	17:13
chung	!covid thailand	17:14
CoronaBot	Thailand: Global rank: #39, cases: 2,220 (+51), fatalities: 26 (+3), active cases: 1,401, total recovered: 793, in a serious condition: 23. Mortality: 1.17%, case fatality rate: 3.17%, cases/1M: 32.0, deaths/1M: 0.4. Case rate: 102/24h, death rate: 3/24h. Tests: 25,071, tests/1M: 359.	17:14
iz	i think maybe as long as you don't own a tiger as a pet	17:14
dividediff[m]	Is it physically possible that covid19 could affect all mammals?	17:16
chung	Which command to see world record?	17:16
chung	!covid world	17:16
CoronaBot	Total cases: 1,291,313 (+18,419), deaths: 70,659 (+1,236), recovered: 272,235. Active cases: 948,419, 902,328 are in a mild condition, 46,091 are in a serious condition. Mortality: 5.47%, case fatality rate: 20.61%. Case rate: 71,418/24h, death rate: 4,737/24h. Last update: 3m ago.	17:16
chung	alright	17:16
jacklsw	!corona malaysia	17:17
CoronaBot	Malaysia: Global rank: #30, cases: 3,793 (+131), fatalities: 62 (+1), active cases: 2,490, total recovered: 1,241, in a serious condition: 102. Mortality: 1.63%, case fatality rate: 4.76%, cases/1M: 117.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 179/24h, death rate: 4/24h. Tests: 55,566, tests/1M: 1,717.	17:17
jacklsw	yay coronabot is here too :D	17:17
dividediff[m]	!cases canada	17:18
dividediff[m]	!covid canada	17:18
CovBot	In Canada there have been a total of 15,512 cases as of 2020-04-06 15:02:00 UTC. Of these 12,290 (79.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 2,942 (19.0%) have definitely recovered and 280 (1.8%) have died.	17:18
CoronaBot	Canada: Global rank: #13, cases: 15,512, fatalities: 280, active cases: 12,290, total recovered: 2,942, in a serious condition: 426. Mortality: 1.81%, case fatality rate: 8.69%, cases/1M: 411.0, deaths/1M: 7.0. Case rate: 1,600/24h, death rate: 49/24h. Tests: 330,901, tests/1M: 8,767.	17:18
dividediff[m]	Whats the source coronaBot uses?	17:18
chung	What is the difference between 'mortality' and 'fatality rate'?	17:18
LjL	that's one thing i'm not really fond of in this output...	17:19
chung	!death usa	17:19
LjL	chung, the mortality is calculated as deaths/cases, the fatality rate is deaths/(deaths+recoveries)	17:20
dividediff[m]	We have too many bots in here	17:20
LjL	but those terms don't really correspond to those definitions IMO	17:20
LjL	deaths/(deaths+recoveries) is not a realistic estimate for most countries at the moment	17:20
dividediff[m]	LjL: Do you know coronabot's source on tests?	17:20
LjL	no	17:20
chung	LjL: Thanks,	17:20
ecrockz	!covid india	17:21
CoronaBot	India: Global rank: #27, cases: 4,553 (+264), fatalities: 118, active cases: 4,107, total recovered: 328, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 2.59%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 3.0, deaths/1M: 0.1. Case rate: 701/24h, death rate: 19/24h. Tests: 140,293, tests/1M: 102.	17:21
jacklsw	plz don't abuse bots here later the mod kick the bots again :P	17:22
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1335 cases (now 1293116), +309 recoveries (now 272434) since 20 minutes ago — Florida, US: +974 cases (now 13324) since 6 hours ago — Netherlands: +952 cases (now 18803), +101 deaths (now 1867) since 4 hours ago	17:22
LjL	yes, do use the bots in PM preferably if you're just checking your/a country without it being particularly related to anything going on in here	17:23
jacklsw	LjL: just PM !corona to the bot?	17:23
LjL	presumably	17:23
LjL	you can do %cases blah with mine	17:24
LjL	i assume you can do similarly with other bots	17:24
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 15:19 UTC: Priest tells Christians to practice social distancing as Easter approaches: 'One of the most generous things you can do': Many churches have opted to perform their services virtually as the coronavirus spreads, but some have continued to hold gatherings despite warnings to avoid contact with other people. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vwEMDu	17:24
jacklsw	great. that works	17:25
ecrockz	!covid china	17:27
CoronaBot	China: Global rank: #6, cases: 81,708 (+39), fatalities: 3,331 (+2), active cases: 1,299, total recovered: 77,078, in a serious condition: 265. Mortality: 4.08%, case fatality rate: 4.14%, cases/1M: 57.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 39/24h, death rate: 2/24h.	17:27
chung	To talk privately in a new window type /msg CoronaBot message	17:27
chung	I meant to talk with the bot.	17:28
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 15:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 15:26: Riot police wielding batons used force to break up a protest by Pakistani doctors and medical staff against a lack of gear to protect against coronavirus, arresting dozens of medics → https://is.gd/owp8e1	17:28
Mikaela	chung, /msg CoronaBot takes the message as an argument, if you wish to open a private chat window with it, try `/query CoronaBot` or if you are using Matrix, I think it's `@freenode_CoronaBot:matrix.org`	17:29
dividediff[m]	Who's in charge of uk right now? Queen ceremonial, boris johnson KOed afaik.	17:30
blkshp	No	17:30
blkshp	Boris is still in charge reporting to HM	17:30
chung	Mikaela: alright, thanks. I've found the commands.	17:30
dividediff[m]	blkshp: He's still working? I figured they have to leave him rest for a while	17:31
blkshp	Headline earlier was Boris Johnson still in charge of the UKl	17:31
dividediff[m]	blkshp: hm = health minister?	17:31
blkshp	Her Majesty	17:31
AimHere	Her Majesty	17:32
dividediff[m]	ty	17:33
dividediff[m]	Her recent speech btw	17:34
dividediff[m]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2klmuggOElE	17:34
pepee	reminder:	17:38
pepee	%title https://www.uchealth.org/today/zinc-could-help-diminish-extent-of-covid-19/	17:38
Brainstorm	pepee: From www.uchealth.org: Zinc could help diminish the extent of COVID-19 - UCHealth Today	17:38
dividediff[m]	ty	17:39
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:36 UTC: /u/slakmehl: From Iran's hot zone, Afghans flee home, spreading virus — from r/WorldNews at 15:36: Riot police wielding batons used force to break up a protest by Pakistani doctors and medical staff against a lack of gear to protect against coronavirus, arresting dozens of medics → https://is.gd/lCWf9e	17:40
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: ‘Stupid and crazy’: Local officials protest Gov. Kemp’s decision to reopen beaches in hard-hit Georgia (10319 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvwtxd	17:42
dividediff[m]	"WHO director faces growing calls to resign over handling of coronavirus"	17:43
bin_bash	the whole WHO should resign tbfh	17:48
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 15:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump tweets about 'light at end of tunnel' while experts warn of worst week yet — from r/WorldNews at 15:44: Covid-19 patients given hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin have an increased risk of dangerous irregular heartbeats that could be fatal. → https://is.gd/yYDgoU	17:48
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +5008 cases (now 1298124), +593 deaths (now 71300), +385 recoveries (now 272819) since 33 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +3802 cases (now 51608), +439 deaths (now 5373) since 50 minutes ago — Florida, US: +974 cases (now 13324) since 6 hours ago	17:52
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 15:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 15:47: Covid-19 patients given hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin have an increased risk of dangerous irregular heartbeats that could be fatal. → https://is.gd/owp8e1	17:53
chung	I've dived into github, the source code belongs to LjL.	17:55
LjL	what source code?	17:55
chung	Alright I was wrong it's not source code.	17:56
chung	LjL: Which computer language you are using.	17:56
chung	?	17:56
LjL	the only thing related to this i have on github is the resources page	17:56
LjL	typically python	17:56
Brainstorm	New from Ars Technica at 15:49 UTC: Science: What OneWeb’s failure tells us about space resiliency in the age of COVID-19 — from r/WorldNews at 15:49: Covid-19 patients given hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin have an increased risk of dangerous irregular heartbeats that could be fatal. → https://is.gd/dLN8SL	17:57
chung	LjL: Alright, thanks,	17:57
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 15:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany drafts plan to end lockdown, Spain's daily death toll declines — from r/WorldNews at 15:57: Covid-19 patients given hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin have an increased risk of dangerous irregular heartbeats that could be fatal. → https://is.gd/owp8e1	18:01
MacGeek	636 deaths in italy today	18:01
LjL	not sure why i wait for the press conference anymore since they always come out before it	18:01
LjL	says 297 deaths in lombardy	18:02
LjL	but fewer people hospitalized	18:02
MacGeek	https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19/blob/master/dati-andamento-nazionale/dpc-covid19-ita-andamento-nazionale-latest.csv	18:02
MacGeek	this is today's data	18:02
LjL	Milan is improving today, they said, but i can't read the slide	18:03
aradesh	seems a few places have deatsh goin down a little :)	18:05
aradesh	i hear the UK death toll went down today too	18:05
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 16:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain deaths lower for fourth day in a row as Germany sees further case drop — from r/WorldNews at 16:00: Riot police wielding batons used force to break up a protest by Pakistani doctors and medical staff against a lack of gear to protect against coronavirus, arresting dozens of medics → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	18:05
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1466 cases (now 1299590), +52 deaths (now 71352) since 18 minutes ago — US: +1355 cases (now 340254) since an hour ago — Lombardia, Italy: +1079 cases (now 51534), +297 deaths (now 9202), +437 recoveries (now 13863) since a day ago	18:07
LjL	aradesh, yeah but i'm reminded to be wary of weekends	18:07
aradesh	UK science official basically saying, "don't read too much into the lower values"	18:08
aradesh	nice uplifting message, hehe	18:08
LjL	Italy's daily Civil Protection press conference starting now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjhlqX_87U and as usual I will translate at least parts I consider important.	18:09
LjL	(Borrelli) Good evening. Today I'm here with Luca Righelli.	18:09
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 16:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Rubio expects at least one more relief bill, priest delivers social distancing message for Easter [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/owp8e1	18:09
LjL	positives: 93187, +1941	18:09
LjL	3898 are in ICU, and for the third day in a row, the number of ICU patients has been going down.	18:09
LjL	28976 are hospitalized with symptoms, while 60313 (65%) are self-isolating at home.	18:10
LjL	+636 new deaths. 22837 recoveries, +1022.	18:10
ecks	only +3,599 today then	18:10
ecks	lowest since March 17	18:11
LjL	We have obtained more than 107.5 million euros from donations, which will be used for acquiring PPEs and ventilators. We have spent 6.4 million today, for 19 million total.	18:11
LjL	16281 volunteers are being employed aside from our other personnel.	18:11
LjL	Number of pre-triage tents is unchanged.	18:11
LjL	Yesterday I signed an ordnance istituting a fund for relatives of medical personnel who have died during this emergency. This fund was promoted by Della Valle.	18:12
dividediff[m]	bin_bash: the other day i heard the UN appointed chyna to it's human rights panel or something lol!	18:12
bin_bash	yep	18:12
bin_bash	they and saudi arabia can be bff violators	18:12
LjL	This morning a plane landed with PPEs donated by China to Europe, and thanks to the European Civil Protection system, these PPEs have been all transferred to our country.	18:13
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 16:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: TAMPONI AGGIORNAMENTO 06/04/2020 ORE 17.00 POSITIVI AL nCov \| Regione Ricoverati \| Terapia _ \| Isolamento fatale uarm \| CEEOUT Eee con sintomi\| intensiva \| domiciliare \| *tualmente positivi Lombardia 11.914 1,343 15.212 28.469 Emilia Romagna 3804 372 8875 13.051 Piemonte 3.484 438 6.623 10.545 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Px1Zwf	18:13
dividediff[m]	LjL: real donation? or like $ donation like before?	18:13
LjL	dividediff[m], don't understand the question	18:14
LjL	I'll let Prof. Righelli(?) speak now.	18:14
LjL	(Prof.) I'd like to greet a friend and colleague, Dr Magrini, who was diagnosed with COVID-19, so he's self-isolating. I've been able to exchange a few messages, he seemed in great physical and psychological shape and he's still working. He's the director of AIFA and he's crucial in the research of new drugs against this virus.	18:15
LjL	Today's data confirm the trend we've seen for a few days, which is comforting as it shows containment measures are working.	18:15
dividediff[m]	LjL: afaik chyna sent "aid" to a few countries but it was actually just regular purchases by the receiving country. I'm sure they have sent actual donations too, but some of it was marketed as "aid" incorrectly	18:15
LjL	The weekly data, so March 30 and April 6, we have more than 90% less people hospitalized. This trend adds to the very important one of ICU admissions, which has been the crucial issue with this epidemic. Today we have -79 ICU.	18:16
LjL	Most of the deaths were concentrated in Lombardy, but still, on a weekly basis we wee 20% fewer deaths, and during this week the number has substantially kept going going down, albeit less significantly than hospitalizations. I need to remind you that the deaths need time to go down compared to other data.	18:17
LjL	The last comment I'd like to make is that these data are comforting but, as often reiterated, we are seeing these effects thanks to the restrictive measures that have been enacted.	18:17
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 16:15 UTC: (news): British PM Boris Johnson 'in good spirits' after being admitted to hospital for coronavirus tests — from r/WorldNews at 16:15: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/DD7iBc	18:17
LjL	So this must make us more determined in maintaining these measures, although after April 13 a decision on this will be made at a political level, but I think we can all see the result of our efforts.	18:18
LjL	(Borrelli) Questions now.	18:18
LjL	Q: Today the Union of Lombard Medical Doctors has published a 7-point analysis detailing what they think were the mistakes in Lombardy, which I'll summarize as: to few PPEs for doctors, and too few tests, especially at first. Is there a mistake, or several mistakes, that without accusing anyone, just with hindsight, things you'd have done differently?	18:19
LjL	A: I believe this virus is an invisible enemy that hit us all of a sudden; it's been a time during which we haven't been able, including at a medical level, to verify and contain and adopt measures that were perfected later, it was a huge job by Lombard doctors, and I don't think we could have done better than this. I believe Lombard doctors did everything that they knew and could, with what they had available.	18:20
LjL	Q: If I can add a comment... I agree with what Dr Borrelli said, but these analyses are worthwhile, because we must learn from experiences. In a catastrophic situation like the one Lombardy found itself in, it was impossible to do better; but certainly learning from the past will help in the future.	18:21
LjL	Q: Data are less alarming, we can say that, yesterday we even heard talks of a "phase 2", and the scientific committee is already deciding how to face this "phase 2", and there have been requests to re-open some small productive activities... at this time we can't expect to start with "phase 2" next week or so, but can we lay out strategy?	18:21
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 16:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus news: Dominic Raab says Boris Johnson leading country from hospital as death toll reaches 5,373 — from r/WorldNews at 16:15: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/1soDNs	18:22
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +13343 cases (now 1312933), +1274 deaths (now 72626), +2214 recoveries (now 275051) since 18 minutes ago — US: +9631 cases (now 349885), +617 deaths (now 10327), +1190 recoveries (now 19219) since 18 minutes ago — New York, US: +7671 cases (now 130689), +599 deaths (now 4758) since 18 minutes ago	18:22
LjL	A: Once scientific evaluations are made, the political decider, i.e. the Council of Ministers, will decide the time and methods "phase 2" will happen with.	18:22
LjL	We scientific committee and the ministers are working on this, but the decision will be taken when the picture will be clear.	18:22
LjL	(Prof.) If I may add something, the data are not "not" alarming, but "less" alarming; we have had many deaths, and the trend must comfort us but still alarm us at the same time.	18:23
LjL	Q: You reminded us of how important the Civil Protection is... the PM always said that he will consider scientific evaluations for his political decisions; for now, the end of the measures is planned to be on April 13, and today it's already April 6; what do you think will be the last useful date for you to give recommendations to the PM on extending the measures or not?	18:24
LjL	A: I am not part of the scientific committee... but I think it will provide timely information to the PM, and I don't think we'll have to wait until the last minute.	18:24
LjL	Q: I understand you don't want to say too much... but these recommendations, are they sent through a report, a document, a public document?	18:25
LjL	A: They are expressed through a report.	18:25
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:22 UTC: /u/slakmehl: With the latest update from New York, the US death toll has crossed 10,000. — from r/WorldNews at 16:22: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/VFKw7d	18:26
Atque	Why is Australia's growth rate in cases so low compared to New Zealand?	18:26
LjL	(Prof.) The recommendations will be all the more precise and specific if the trend data are clear and specific. These data are extremely important to interpret the epidemic, both nationally and locally. The closer we get to the deadline, the more this data becomes granular and informational... The committee won't wait until the last minute, but they also cannot ignore what happens between today and April 13. It will be a compromise between maximizing	18:26
LjL	information, and allowing enough time for lawmaking. It is not simple to balance these things.	18:26
LjL	Q: It's been weeks since we've been testing drugs in hospitals; is there now more evidence on which drugs works and which drugs are the best? Also, there have been talks of drugs that may make the infection worse, such as Ibuprofen.	18:27
LjL	A: The site of AIFA, which is open, free to read for all citizens, provides two important pieces of information: one is on available medicines, although they are mainly targeted to doctors, but available for all citizens to read... there are cards on hydrochlorequine, antivirals, etc... the second type of information available is on ongoing trials and their updates. The number of trials is increasing, and Prof. Locatelli gave numbers on that last Saturday.	18:28
LjL	What you say is true, with time we are accumulating more data that will be made public as soon as the amount of data can provide reliable information. This is why trials exist. The first trials are reaching a point where likely AIFA will be able to provide results in some weeks.	18:29
LjL	Q: [inaudible]	18:29
LjL	A: Yes, the question was on potentially damaging drugs, and during trials we hope it's more likely to be useful than harmful, but that's why trials exist.	18:30
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 16:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, i nuovi dati: in Italia è ancora picco. 636 morti, i posti in terapia intensiva calano per il terzo giorno di seguito - la Repubblica [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WI8Hou	18:30
Atque	LjL: Stop flooding pls.	18:30
LjL	Q: Why is there a specific part on the ISS reports on which drugs deceased patients had been taking?	18:30
LjL	Atque, no	18:30
Atque	LjL: You like flooding?	18:31
LjL	A: You are probably referring to ACE inhibitors, which a large part of the population is taking, especially the elderly. It's an element that's not easy to identify as a risk factor, because it's a drug taken by a large part of the elderly population. An exact risk factor on these has not been determined, there are no solid data.	18:31
LjL	Q: To relent pressure on ICU beds, when patients start doing better, they are moved back to their homes. However, we're told that there's starting to be a shortage of oxygen bottles. Do we risk a scenario like with masks?	18:31
LjL	A: On this subject we have received a request by Lombardy highlight a critical situation, and we made a "call" to the Civil Protection mechanism to acquire more bottles; the MoH is also working on obviating this lack of bottles, and I believe the number of people who are in hospital and positive will bring a benefit in terms of needing these bottles.	18:32
LjL	Q: There's a heated debate on masks, and some regions like Lombardy and Tuscany promised to distribute them for free... we have had a suspicion that the people aren't strictly told to wear masks outside not for actual scientific reasons, not only at least, but for the simple reason there are not enough of them. Is this a suspicion based in reality?	18:33
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 16:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Rubio expects at least one more relief bill, priest delivers social distancing message for Easter — from r/WorldNews at 16:29: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/owp8e1	18:34
LjL	A: Look, the thing about masks is there's a global discussion within the scientific community. Just a few days ago, Anset published an article showing various things: first, there is no recommendation to use masks universally in various countries and regions; there are a variety of recommendations, which partly reflect different traditions: you will remember that we've always seen Asian people in airports wearing surgical masks even years ago. This is a	18:35
LjL	consolidated habit, which isn't the case in the western world, and which represents a different lifestyle. That masks are useful against this coronavirus is certain, in particular to exposed people like medical workers and vulnerable people.	18:35
LjL	So, I don't honestly believe that not recommending universal use of masks is due to shortages. We are finding a better way to use them rationally. Let's remember one thing though: using masks doesn't make us invincible. There are measures like social distancing and hand washing that have certainty of efficacy. There's a risk of masks inducing a false sense of security. It is a "defense tool" for healthcare workers, but for others, who are not	18:37
LjL	professionally exposed to the virus, it can be a useful defense but it must not cause a lowering of one's guard.	18:37
LjL	Q: Do you think we'll use them much more in "phase 2"?	18:37
LjL	A: I cannot predict anything about "phase 2", but from what we've seen in other countries and settings, that is possible, there may be a wider use of masks, which will likely correlate with people's perceived sensibility. We'll likely have to use it in places where social distancing is impossible or problematic. I don't expect universal use 24/7.	18:38
pwr22	Atque he's transcribing something	18:38
LjL	pwr22, he left	18:38
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 16:35 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Politica - Veneto — from r/WorldNews at 16:35: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/lesdCA	18:38
LjL	Information on this wasn't even on virology books until a couple of weeks ago. We are learning from experiene.	18:38
LjL	(Borrelli) Okay, thank you and good evening.	18:38
LjL	--- end	18:38
Strantrickt[m]	%data Turkey	18:39
Brainstorm	Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 27069 cases, 574 deaths (2.1% of cases), 1042 recoveries as of 6 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data.	18:39
LjL	pwr22, there wasn't a single message during my translation except for him asking me to stop doing it, and a question about the thing i'm translating itself, so personally I'm not too bothered if people who complain about it don't find this channel a useful source of information and leave. It's not like any huge conversation was disrupted.	18:39
pwr22	Yeah, surely their client can notify only on mentions?	18:40
genera	wb Atque	18:40
l0ndoner	UK - looking at the figures are over the hump	18:40
Atque	ty genera	18:40
pwr22	genera: wb?	18:41
genera	welcome back	18:41
zen23	hi	18:41
genera	Atque, ljl is doing that everyday around this time.	18:41
pwr22	Ok	18:42
Atque	genera: It'd make more sense to put in a pastebin and post the link.	18:42
pwr22	* *oh	18:42
pwr22	l0ndoner: really?	18:42
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 16:39 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Politica - Toscana — from r/WorldNews at 16:39: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/0e1m7Z	18:42
Atque	Hey pwr22	18:42
l0ndoner	yea 3 days running the numbers are tailing off for deaths	18:42
pwr22	Hi	18:43
genera	well	18:43
pwr22	That's great!	18:43
LjL	https://dpaste.org/WuTu	18:43
LjL	Atque, i'm sorry i interrupted a conversation that wasn't taking place	18:44
pwr22	Looking at the offloop graphs it doesn't look too compelling to me yet 😧	18:44
LjL	yeah	18:45
l0ndoner	OK can someone explain herd immunity if were all lock down in doors how does that work?	18:45
pwr22	This pattern occurs several times in the past data	18:45
LjL	l0ndoner, it doesn't	18:45
pwr22	But I hope 🙂	18:45
Atque	LjL: Forgiven, but not forgotten... you're not forgotten.	18:45
LjL	yay	18:46
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 16:41 UTC: (news): WHO says coronavirus vaccine and treatment research has 'accelerated at incredible speed' — from r/WorldNews at 16:41: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/2oCPmO	18:46
l0ndoner	any ideas what phase two entails.	18:48
LjL	l0ndoner, what they mean by "phase 2" is something where some restriction are slowly lifted, but not completely, and we "live with" the virus, presumably hoping to obtain herd immunity without overloading the hospitals (at least that's my guess), before "phase 3" which will be a return to normality and rebuilding	18:49
LjL	however i'm not really sure they have any clear idea what phase 2 will entail	18:49
LjL	they're hoping Imperial College publishes a more detailed paper, or something ;)	18:49
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 16:47 UTC: NY Gov. Cuomo will ask Trump to allow coronavirus patients on Navy ship Comfort: Gov. Andrew Cuomo is holding a press conference Monday to update the public on the COVID-19 outbreak in New York state. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pPoV5o	18:50
l0ndoner	can they follow how China is doing phase 2	18:51
LjL	l0ndoner, i suppose, but China has had a much harder lockdown in some areas	18:51
LjL	also, i hear that they're already confining people into their homes again in Wuhan, after an "attempted release"	18:52
LjL	so i'm ont sure they know how to handle this either. which is what scientists predicted anyway... release the restrictions, you get a second wave	18:52
Brainstorm	Updates for Germany: +1055 cases (now 101178) since 7 hours ago — Florida, US: +974 cases (now 13324) since 7 hours ago — World: +580 cases (now 1313513) since 33 minutes ago	18:52
l0ndoner	Yea thats what their so scared of is the second wave	18:53
pepee	%title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgxztWLeEeQ	18:54
Brainstorm	pepee: From www.youtube.com: A 3D model of a person coughing in an indoor environment – how an aerosol cloud travels in the air - YouTube	18:54
pwr22	Maybe we're in for waves of this stuff	18:55
pwr22	lockdown / release	18:55
pwr22	and each time more people are released	18:55
pwr22	Starting with those least susceptable	18:55
pwr22	Until we reach vaccine / treatment hopefully	18:56
AimHere	That's the most likely strategy, barring instant vaccine	18:56
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 16:54 UTC: (news): UK PM Boris Johnson still in hospital with 'persistent' coronavirus symptoms — but continues to work — from r/WorldNews at 16:54: Bill Gates to Spend Billions on Coronavirus Vaccine Development: Foundation to help build factories for the seven makers of the most-promising efforts → https://is.gd/DD7iBc	18:59
pwr22	It'll be much easier to do with an anti-body test I guess?	18:59
pwr22	Because we can then let out as many people as possible	18:59
AimHere	It'll be interesting to see what happens when people start to get that test	19:00
AimHere	Will non-antibody people decide to go out into society at the same time	19:00
AimHere	Will we need to be able to certify immunity so that you don't end up spreading the disease with people breaking the quarantine?	19:01
LjL	I am not much of a believer in huge amounts of people who have had it asymptomatically without knowing	19:02
pwr22	I think there's about 5x more people with than countries testing only those hopsitalised show	19:04
pwr22	Because of the 20% hopsitalisation rate	19:04
Arsanerit	Why do many people in this channel have nicknames ending in [m]?	19:05
AimHere	Well I'm sure there are a significant number of asymptomatic people, but the notion is hyped up by people desperate to lift the lockdowns, even while it's obvious we're nowhere near saturation point	19:05
dividediff[m]	Arsanerit: Does my name have that?	19:05
Arsanerit	dividediff[m]: yes	19:05
MinceR	Arsanerit: because they use matrix	19:06
AimHere	Arsanerit, there's a bridge between this channel and something called 'Matrix' which is some sort of fancier schmancier chat thing	19:06
MinceR	with a gateway	19:06
dividediff[m]	BoJo is mostly fine it seems	19:06
Arsanerit	AimHere: I see, thanks.	19:06
AimHere	dividediff[m], what gives you that impression?	19:06
Arsanerit	He's still alive or they would have probably told us.	19:06
Birrosso	Matrix...	19:07
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:04 UTC: NY Gov. Cuomo will ask Trump to allow coronavirus patients on Navy ship Comfort: Gov. Andrew Cuomo is holding a press conference Monday to update the public on the COVID-19 outbreak in New York state. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pPoV5o	19:07
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +5601 cases (now 1319114), +130 deaths (now 72796), +1099 recoveries (now 276186) since 21 minutes ago — Turkey: +3148 cases (now 30217), +75 deaths (now 649), +284 recoveries (now 1326) since 21 minutes ago — US: +2070 cases (now 352083) since 21 minutes ago	19:07
AimHere	I think they'd be more likely to tell us if he was well than if he was seriously ill	19:07
dividediff[m]	AimHere: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52180223	19:07
dividediff[m]	He's sick and in hospital, but otherwise fine.	19:07
dividediff[m]	When i was told he was in hospital, i thought they meant like ventilator	19:08
Arsanerit	People who are fine don't usually go to hospital.	19:08
Arsanerit	The majority of hospitalised cases do not need a ventilator afaik.	19:08
AimHere	There are mainstream reports he's on oxygen	19:08
AimHere	If you need a ventilator you're probably about to die	19:08
Arsanerit	If he's dead, we'd be told.	19:09
AimHere	Yeah. If he was on a vent, I'm not sure we'd be told	19:09
pepee	%title https://petapixel.com/2020/04/03/scientists-use-high-sensitivity-camera-to-capture-microdroplets-that-may-transmit-virus/	19:10
Brainstorm	pepee, the URL could not be loaded	19:10
pepee	that one is interesting, I wonder if the same could be done with my IR cameras	19:11
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:08 UTC: (news): UK PM Boris Johnson is in 'good spirits' as he works in the hospital despite coronavirus — from r/WorldNews at 17:08: Eating Bats and Pangolins Banned in Gabon as a Result of Coronavirus Pandemic → https://is.gd/DD7iBc	19:11
pepee	I can clearly see mosquitoes with it at night	19:11
dividediff[m]	Fun fact from bbc, BoJo's wife is ~20yrs younger than him, pregnant and also has covid	19:12
CatButtes[m]	That was pretty inevitable. Once one member of a household is symptomatic the entire household is gonna be infected	19:14
dividediff[m]	CatButtes: trudo seems to not be sick despite his wife, but yea	19:14
ecrockz	hexhat --help	19:14
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:13 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Many of the countries with the worst outbreaks so far in Europe and America are now showing declines in their death trajectories, which at their worst were doubling every 3 days. Italy has slowed to 13, Spain to 8, The Netherlands to 6, France and the US to 4. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8yZc3x	19:15
dividediff[m]	What does it mean to be on oxygen? Like scuba diving but not using a ventilator?	19:15
AimHere	Something like that	19:15
CatButtes[m]	dividediff: you have an oxygen mask that provides a flow of pure oxygen for you to breathe. But it’s up to you to inhale/exhale	19:16
CatButtes[m]	The ventilators do the inhale/exhale for you so your lungs can just try and oxygenate your blood	19:17
CatButtes[m]	Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation pretty much replaces your lungs with a machine - and is an extreme measure	19:18
pwr22	Sometimes it's just a little nose clip thing	19:19
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:16 UTC: Cooperstown, New York among the many tourism-dependent small towns bracing for a hard year: The spread of COVID-19 threatens the "birthplace of baseball" of Cooperstown, NY, and the summer tourism resdeitns have come to rely on. — from r/WorldNews at 17:16: Eating Bats and Pangolins Banned in Gabon as a Result of Coronavirus Pandemic → https://is.gd/PpGrdd	19:19
CatButtes[m]	That’s true. They are only for if you need a slight top up. I honestly doubt they are seeing much use with covid patients given the speed they deteriorate and the fact people are supposedly trying to recover at home as much as possible	19:20
CatButtes[m]	Those people who would get given one are likely fighting at home still	19:21
pwr22	Yeah	19:21
pwr22	I had one after an operation	19:21
pwr22	When I was in the recovery unit I had a mask	19:21
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +5248 cases (now 1324362), +836 deaths (now 73632), +1070 recoveries (now 277256) since 19 minutes ago — France: +5171 cases (now 98010), +833 deaths (now 8911), +1067 recoveries (now 17250) since 8 hours ago — Florida, US: +974 cases (now 13324) since 8 hours ago	19:22
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:20 UTC: (news): WHO says coronavirus vaccine and treatment research has 'accelerated at incredible speed' — from r/WorldNews at 17:20: Eating Bats and Pangolins Banned in Gabon as a Result of Coronavirus Pandemic → https://is.gd/2oCPmO	19:23
pwr22	https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxe9yq/the-chinese-government-has-convinced-its-citizens-that-the-us-army-brought-coronavirus-to-wuhan	19:23
dividediff[m]	ty	19:24
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: Fauci prevented from speaking candidly about hydroxychloroquine efficacy in Sunday briefings (10540 votes) \| https://redd.it/fvxv5t	19:24
dividediff[m]	CatButtes: is it true that when ppl are on ventilators they are always sedated?	19:25
dividediff[m]	pwr22: that sounds like karma, usa and china blaming the other severly	19:26
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:24 UTC: (news): CDC says three kids have died from suspected coronavirus in US as some children get severely sick — from r/WorldNews at 17:24: Eating Bats and Pangolins Banned in Gabon as a Result of Coronavirus Pandemic → https://is.gd/8Nfidl	19:27
CatButtes[m]	I believe so. It is extremely invasive and involves putting a tube down your throat, to avoid inflating your stomach. It will trigger gag reflex going in and be extremely distressing if you are awake with it in place	19:27
CatButtes[m]	If you want to know more, look up “intubation”	19:28
metreo	!cases germany	19:30
metreo	!corona germany	19:30
CoronaBot	Germany: Global rank: #4, cases: 101,178 (+1,055), fatalities: 1,612 (+28), active cases: 70,866, total recovered: 28,700, in a serious condition: 3,936. Mortality: 1.59%, case fatality rate: 5.32%, cases/1M: 1208.0, deaths/1M: 19.0. Case rate: 4,031/24h, death rate: 140/24h. Tests: 918,460, tests/1M: 10,962.	19:30
metreo	Thanks!	19:31
CovBot	In Germany there have been a total of 101,178 cases as of 2020-04-06 17:03:00 UTC. Of these 70,866 (70.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 28,700 (28.4%) have definitely recovered and 1,612 (1.6%) have died.	19:31
Arsanerit	!corona Isle of Man	19:33
CoronaBot	Isle of Man: Global rank: #113, cases: 139 (+12), fatalities: 1, active cases: 83, total recovered: 55, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 0.72%, case fatality rate: 1.79%, cases/1M: 1635.0, deaths/1M: 12.0. Case rate: 1/24h, death rate: 0/24h. Tests: 1,638, tests/1M: 19,263.	19:33
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:32 UTC: (news): WHO says coronavirus vaccine and treatment research has 'accelerated at incredible speed' — from r/WorldNews at 17:32: Eating Bats and Pangolins Banned in Gabon as a Result of Coronavirus Pandemic → https://is.gd/2oCPmO	19:35
bjodn	!corona norway	19:37
CoronaBot	Norway: Global rank: #22, cases: 5,760 (+73), fatalities: 74 (+3), active cases: 5,654, total recovered: 32, in a serious condition: 83. Mortality: 1.28%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 1062.0, deaths/1M: 14.0. Case rate: 137/24h, death rate: 9/24h. Tests: 111,299, tests/1M: 20,530.	19:37
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo doubles maximum fine for breaking social distancing rules to $1,000 as state cases rise — from r/WorldNews at 17:39: Eating Bats and Pangolins Banned in Gabon as a Result of Coronavirus Pandemic → https://is.gd/kopIwj	19:43
dividediff[m]	CatButtes: ty	19:44
dividediff[m]	!cases sudan	19:44
CovBot	In Sudan there have been a total of 12 cases as of 2020-04-06 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 8 (66.7%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 2 (16.7%) have definitely recovered and 2 (16.7%) have died.	19:44
emanllufruoy[m]	!corona dorset	19:46
pyna	interesting that the toilet paper hoarders turned out to have the right idea	19:46
CoronaBot	,01[ERR] Country/state not found!	19:46
LjL	pyna, how so?	19:47
pyna	partially happenstance supply chain stuff, some of which was covid related, but mainly cause the US TP industry turns out to be two non-overlapping industries - commercial and consumer	19:48
dividediff[m]	Canada running out of ppe, supplies being blocked by usa	19:48
pyna	and with the stay-at-home stuff, the commercial sector is no demand, and consumer is very high	19:49
dividediff[m]	"mask wars"	19:49
pyna	the argument is that we're not using more TP, but we aren't using all the commercial paper we normally use (at restaurants, public toilets, etc)	19:50
pyna	and of course the commercial paper industry doesn't have the wherewithal to switch it's whole business model. QED	19:50
dzho	so what I hear you saying is that we should all get on, I don't know, U-LINE or whatever and order commercial TP rolls for our home "business"	19:52
dividediff[m]	Sounds more like, tp hoarders didn't have the right idea, but happened to be useful economically still ?	19:52
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:49 UTC: Cooperstown, New York among the many tourism-dependent small towns bracing for a hard year: The spread of COVID-19 threatens the "birthplace of baseball" of Cooperstown, NY, and the summer tourism resdeitns have come to rely on. → https://is.gd/PpGrdd	19:53
dividediff[m]	As in i doubt tp hoarders were trying to help business :p	19:53
dividediff[m]	"Rename WHO as Chinese Health Organization: Japan slams UN body for ‘giving into China’s spin’"	19:57
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 17:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo doubles maximum fine for breaking social distancing rules to $1,000 as state cases rise → https://is.gd/kopIwj	19:58
dividediff[m]	The kahunas on that politician	19:59
pyna	they didn't have the right idea but happened to end up with some tp, i guess. there's some around in these parts, but no one has "the good stuff"	20:03
dividediff[m]	5-year-old child dies in the UK after contracting coronavirus.	20:08
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +4836 cases (now 1329326), +151 deaths (now 73789) since 36 minutes ago — US: +3758 cases (now 356007), +95 deaths (now 10467) since 36 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +3585 cases (now 41090), +86 deaths (now 1003) since 36 minutes ago	20:08
adventurer	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEuJOkRSFPw&fbclid=IwAR2ISGWjo7NMJ63awXEQiZABVd-KpugYvmfBz_ylNzx3w_pqZaiBJMG3UGQ	20:12
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 18:07 UTC: CDC says three kids have died from suspected coronavirus in US as some children get severely sick: Some children have been hospitalized or worse after becoming infected with the coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Monday. At least three children have died. → https://is.gd/8Nfidl	20:13
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 18:16 UTC: (news): WHO says coronavirus vaccine and treatment research has 'accelerated at incredible speed' → https://is.gd/2oCPmO	20:18
kreyren	Does anyone have more info on this? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51289897	20:19
farn	%title	20:21
Brainstorm	farn: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus: Australian scientists first to recreate virus outside China - BBC News	20:21
kreyren	CDC says three kids have died from suspected coronavirus in US - Any sequencing on the virus or proof of it mutating to be more lethal?	20:21
kreyren	Or why would kids die on this infection? Are those first cases?	20:22
dunnp	why wouldn't kids die from it?	20:23
tinwhiskers	kreyren: "recreate" seems like a strange word to use. It seems they mean culture.	20:23
kreyren	dunnp, assuming that based on available informations the immune system in young seems to be resiliant enough to handle the infection by itself?	20:23
tinwhiskers	Not always	20:23
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:21 UTC: /u/slakmehl: John Burn-Murdoch su Twitter: "NEW: in the @10DowningStreet press conference, a slide showed Britons adhering to lockdown by staying home. I’ve got the same @Google source data, and people in UK & US are still out and about much more than elsewhere... (and no, I’m not a cop 🚨) More: [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/MYveSx	20:24
kreyren	tinwhiskers, elaborate?	20:24
tinwhiskers	Young people are more often able to cope but not always. Young people can still die.	20:24
kreyren	tinwhiskers, what are the criteria? Based on informations provided to czechia we understood that it's impossible for young inviduals to die on this illness	20:25
tinwhiskers	It is not impossible at all, just a lower rate	20:25
kreyren	assuming that there are cases in CZ of kids who in theory were in direct contact with infectious persons to inject high dose of virus particles?	20:26
farn	I haven't seen anyone say that it's impossible	20:26
kreyren	farn, Czech TV said that iirc	20:26
tinwhiskers	They are wrong	20:26
tinwhiskers	There has been reported cases of children dying pretty much since the virus made it out of China	20:27
kreyren	tinwhiskers, reference please ?	20:27
ketas	i spent many months waiting that contactless payments get enabled in self-scan checkout terminal in specific store i always visit... all it took was coronavirus and it got enabled quickly!	20:27
tinwhiskers	I don't have a reference.	20:27
ketas	isn't it amazing	20:27
tinwhiskers	But I've seen news articles saying children have died for quite some time. The advice is that NOBODY is bulletproof.	20:28
tinwhiskers	The rate in children below 10 is very low though	20:29
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 18:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conferenza Stampa di Conte → https://is.gd/Op1a9I	20:29
kreyren	source: https://ct24.ceskatelevize.cz/veda/3055118-rouska-a-hlt-vodky-ochrani-deset-mytu-ktere-se-siri-o-novem-koronaviru my fault it's phrased in such a way that makes it possible for deaths in kids	20:29
Jicemo	!corona france	20:32
CoronaBot	France: Global rank: #5, cases: 98,010 (+5,171), fatalities: 8,911 (+833), active cases: 71,849, total recovered: 17,250, in a serious condition: 7,072. Mortality: 9.09%, case fatality rate: 34.06%, cases/1M: 1502.0, deaths/1M: 137.0. Case rate: 2,886/24h, death rate: 518/24h. Tests: 224,254, tests/1M: 3,436.	20:32
tinwhiskers	kreyren: if you just search for "child dies covid-19" you'll find a few examples.	20:32
farn	kreyren: I don't see anything in the translation of that that claims that they can't die	20:32
farn	Of course it could have been lost in translation	20:33
l0ndoner	Hello from London uk	20:33
tinwhiskers	farn: kreyren noted they may have misinterpreted it	20:33
kreyren	farn, ik i said my fault, found the resource that i saw in the tv but that's very outdated	20:34
farn	kreyren: Ah, sorry. I completely misread your message	20:34
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 18:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Approvato anche un decreto per la scuola, che verrà tra poco descritto dalla ministra Azzolina. → https://is.gd/KctdmZ	20:34
l0ndoner	silly question about sars and covid-19. Did Sars mutate to this new form covid-19 or am I misunderstanding how viruses work	20:36
LjL	it's similar to SARS and so the virus has been called a SARS virus but i don't believe it is believed that it mutated from SARS-COV-1	20:37
LjL	it mutated from some bat virus that was just related to SARS-COV-1 itself	20:37
underscore	Hello.	20:37
tinwhiskers	l0ndoner: think of this as a cousin to sars. Not descended from it but related on the family tree.	20:37
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 18:36 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Gualtieri → https://is.gd/AA9fWq	20:39
l0ndoner	Thank you for the explanation	20:41
genera	and even sars-cov-2 is only 70% overlapping with the bat virus if i recall correctly	20:42
l0ndoner	it has spread to animals now or is that fakenews?	20:43
electricprism[m]	15% of cats in wuhan tested positive last i heard, I would count on it	20:44
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 18:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo doubles maximum fine for breaking social distancing rules to $1,000 as state cases rise → https://is.gd/kopIwj	20:44
tinwhiskers	However it's not known if cats are a vector for the disease, or just a spillover host. Given they only show weak positive tests it's likely they are catching it from humans but not spreading it to other cats.	20:46
tinwhiskers	Although you can't rule out the possibility of a human catching it from a cat yet, the rate is probably low as to pretty much ignore	20:47
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 18:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Riassunto del decreto da ANSA → https://is.gd/M8BeL6	20:49
WW[m]	<l0ndoner "it has spread to animals now or "> according to china, in two months the virus mutated 170 times if I’m not mistaken. as I understand it, all vertebrates can carry it, and the virus mutate on them.	20:52
electricprism[m]	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dB0U9Fbh0tM&feature=youtu.be	20:53
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1384 cases (now 1330710), +80 deaths (now 73869) since 50 minutes ago — Canada: +645 cases (now 16498) since an hour ago — US: +407 cases (now 356414) since 50 minutes ago	20:53
tinwhiskers	every time the virus is sequenced you get some mutations. Don't jump to the conclusion that this is a fast-mutating virus based on that clickbait	20:54
tinwhiskers	Coronaviruses are common to all mammals and there is a bit of horizontal drift between species.	20:55
tinwhiskers	SARS-Cov-2 is not special in this regard so no need to panic that this is some sort of super-virus.	20:56
tinwhiskers	https://nextstrain.org/ncov currently shows 3648 sequences for the virus now. They are ALL different so you could say it has mutated at least 3648 times.	20:59
l0ndoner	so virus mutated 170 times in 2 months	20:59
tinwhiskers	It mutated thousands of times	21:00
ryouma	what is known about human immunity?	21:00
tinwhiskers	but there is still only one effective type. What you're reading is just clickbait and fear mongering.	21:00
ryouma	is immunity confirmed? are there superspreaders?	21:00
l0ndoner	so can we trick to mutate into a non infection form... Far fetched I know	21:00
genera	what about superinfection? more than one strain in one patient?	21:00
ryouma	can we hire all the immune as delivery drivers for at least a few months?	21:01
Arsanerit	not against their will you can't	21:01
ryouma	i said hire not coerce	21:01
l0ndoner	think thats what uk tried with herd immunity ryouma	21:01
tinwhiskers	genera: we don't have any evidence that there are separate strains requiring different antibodies	21:01
ryouma	the question is whether immunity is formed, sufficiently	21:02
tinwhiskers	If you recover from an infection then you are immune to it at that time. How long immunity lasts is an open question, but at least a 2 months so far	21:03
ryouma	what supplements seem to work for the innate immune system? in particular nk cell cytotoxicity and the innate system in general? also for the adaptive?	21:03
tinwhiskers	fighting off an infection means your antibodies are destroying the virus. i.e. immunity	21:03
Gonpo	immunity apparently helped belgium in 1918 in september	21:03
l0ndoner	so if we locked down for two months then all get released at once isnt there a significant chance of a second wave	21:04
ryouma	or does teh virus bypass innate?	21:04
tinwhiskers	l0ndoner: yes	21:04
Gonpo	ryouma: you can read the chinese manual on amazon for free, quite amusing	21:04
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 19:02 UTC: (news): WHO says coronavirus vaccine and treatment research has 'accelerated at incredible speed' → https://is.gd/2oCPmO	21:04
ryouma	Gonpo: can't speak chinese, looking for western supplements, realize they are of limited use. but i have most likely low nk function and high inflammatory cytokines to begin with, so in my individual case, with physician recommendation, it might be worth taking the chance on one.	21:05
tinwhiskers	ryouma: re: superspreaders. There's almost always a few people that act as superspreaders so the answer is yes, they probably exist	21:06
Gonpo	ryouma: its translated	21:06
ryouma	link?	21:06
Gonpo	ryouma: what do you think of chinese medicine? cause would be a big lift	21:07
l0ndoner	ok so the predicted death toll is between 1-2% of 7 billion so anything from 70m to 140m deaths but thats a recoverable stat I mean china could give birth to that number in a year so why not let it run rampant?	21:07
ryouma	link please? big lift?	21:07
Gonpo	big leap of faith	21:07
ryouma	idk enough about tcm. i think much of it has not been studied sufficiently. i will at this time treat most of it as pre-scientific. also concerned about quality.	21:08
ketas	brilliant statue addition: https://s.err.ee/photo/crop/2020/04/06/767389h0d17t27.jpg?coronavirus-anvil	21:09
ryouma	i aws not asking about tcm. ui specified western	21:09
Gonpo	https://www.amazon.com/dp/B085CCDHQP/ref=rdr_kindle_ext_tmb	21:09
ryouma	l0ndoner: because there is no moral equivalence of births and deaths and different models have different outcoms?	21:10
tinwhiskers	ryouma: the term super-spreader is just a colloquial term meaning a person that infects a lot more people than the R0 would indicate. Some people think this is an asymptomatic person that goes about spreading the disease but may not ever recover themselves (i.e. Typhoid Mary). But really someone working at a supermarket could act as a superspreader and just come into contact with enough people before they are symptomatic to spread it	21:10
tinwhiskers	to an unusually high number of people.	21:10
tinwhiskers	The latter always exists.	21:11
ryouma	the distinction should not be conflated, i think	21:11
l0ndoner	My question sounded harsh in the extreme it wasnt ment that way	21:12
ryouma	on a jdrama i saw them describe it as a term of art referring to the former -- immune for an indefinite time and containing blood worthy of study to find a cure	21:12
Gonpo	am surprised anyone is surprised those without sx can spread covid, it is how the flu and viruses operate	21:12
Gonpo	then to pretend , "oh" it is new information	21:13
Gonpo	ebola was less effective, because it killed better	21:13
ryouma	l0ndoner: for example http://www.math.cmu.edu/~wes/covid.html	21:13
tinwhiskers	Gonpo: agreed, although the period of time you can be asymptomatic and infectious is longer in this case than with the flu	21:13
Gonpo	tinwhiskers: yes but that just a nuance	21:14
tinwhiskers	yeah	21:14
CatButtes[m]	Ooof. Johnson has been moved to ICU	21:16
l0ndoner	ryouma: thank you for the link it will make good reading	21:16
l0ndoner	CatButtes[m]: really?	21:16
l0ndoner	shit	21:16
ryouma	i fear panic when celebrities die	21:17
ryouma	in larger numbers	21:17
farn	CatButtes[m]: Says who?	21:17
tinwhiskers	l0ndoner: the back-of-the-napkin calculation suggests 1-2% of 7 billion, but none of the modelling seems to suggest anything quite so dramatic.	21:17
l0ndoner	So Dominic Rabb is acting PM?	21:17
pwr22	Just got a BBC news notification	21:17
ryouma	i am less concerned about transfer of power at this time	21:17
tinwhiskers	CatButtes[m]: yeah, we just had a "breaking news" to that effect on NZ radio.	21:17
Gonpo	scared straight	21:18
Gonpo	i am doubting how effective intubation can be against the cytokine explosion	21:18
Gonpo	lung tissue doesn't regenerate like skin tissue	21:19
farn	https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-admitted-to-hospital-as-trump-again-touts-hydroxychloroquine#block-5e8b7fa88f08c9eaf0dafb13	21:19
l0ndoner	if I gave up smoking 10 years ago my lungs heal but the scar tissue stayts?	21:19
tinwhiskers	The intubation is just to keep you alive while you are treated and attempt to recover	21:19
l0ndoner	stays*	21:20
blkshp	Boris is now in ICU	21:21
ryouma	what are the drugs/supplements against cytokine storm?	21:21
pwr22	So boris is 55	21:21
pwr22	!risk 55	21:21
CovBot	I estimate a 55 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 98.7% chance of survival, a 27.2% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 9.5% risk of needing intensive care there and a 1.3% chance of death.	21:21
tinwhiskers	ryouma: there's various approaches. You might see some good stuff from the doctors on https://twitter.com/hashtag/medtwitter (but frankly it's very technical)	21:22
pwr22	98.7% chance of survival	21:22
metreo	!corona Canada	21:22
CoronaBot	Canada: Global rank: #13, cases: 16,498 (+986), fatalities: 321 (+41), active cases: 12,738, total recovered: 3,439, in a serious condition: 426. Mortality: 1.95%, case fatality rate: 8.54%, cases/1M: 437.0, deaths/1M: 9.0. Case rate: 1,600/24h, death rate: 49/24h. Tests: 330,901, tests/1M: 8,767.	21:22
metreo	Thanks!	21:22
ryouma	tinwhiskers: thanks. is there a non-twitter version for the twitter-impaired? (also my browser fails at twitter)	21:22
tinwhiskers	no, they've settled on twitter	21:23
Gonpo	tinwhiskers: sure, but the cytokines make it like an auto-immune response	21:23
tinwhiskers	they might know about medicine but have terrible taste in social media :-/	21:23
ryouma	is there a site that makes twitter legible?	21:23
tinwhiskers	Gonpo: yeah. I don't follow your point.	21:23
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: Miss England hangs up her crown to return to work as doctor during coronavirus pandemic (11001 votes) \| https://redd.it/fw1aum	21:24
tinwhiskers	intubation doesn't attempt to address the cytokine storm. It keeps you alive while other treatments are tried.	21:24
Gonpo	tinwhiskers: no amount of time on intubation, can reverse lung damage	21:25
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:19 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Joe Pike su Twitter: "BREAK: @BorisJohnson in intensive care.… " → https://is.gd/m97kVC	21:25
tinwhiskers	sure. But it keeps you alive	21:25
ryouma	nope, Something went wrong, but don’t fret"	21:26
Gonpo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome#Management	21:27
tinwhiskers	Gonpo: there's inflammation and liquid buildup going on as well that makes your lungs more stressed and less effective while you're fighting the disease. You do recover some lung function compared to the time you were at your worst. The intubation assists you to stay alive	21:27
nixonix	https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/06/coronavirus-live-news-boris-johnson-admitted-to-hospital-as-trump-again-touts-hydroxychloroquine	21:28
Gonpo	yes of course , intubation is important	21:28
nixonix	title: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson taken into intensive care ^	21:29
xrogaan	%title	21:29
Brainstorm	xrogaan: From www.theguardian.com: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson taken into intensive care – live updates \| World news \| The Guardian	21:29
Gonpo	BJ is 55 yo btw	21:30
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 19:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Dal livethread di the Guardian si capisce che Boris Johnson è stato ammesso in terapia intensiva perchè la sua condizione è peggiorata molto lunedi. → https://is.gd/AGTRMJ	21:30
xrogaan	From what I understand, the pneumonia doesn't so much decrease the oxygen in the system, but also doesn't reduce the amount of CO². It's less like drowning, which is painful, and more like your brain without oxygen.	21:33
xrogaan	You're under hypoxia.	21:33
ecks	what do you mean "doesn't so much decrease the oxygen"	21:33
xrogaan	So, people like BoJo who "feel fine" are not good judge of their own condition.	21:33
xrogaan	ecks: you still have some oxygen being renewed, but the CO² in your system isn't being removed.	21:34
ecks	that is not correct, it does lead to hypoxemia and desaturation	21:34
ecks	for some, this desaturation can be very rapid	21:34
ecks	when the saturation starts dropping, you try NIV and hope for the best, and when it keeps dropping in spite of NIV, you have to intubate	21:35
xrogaan	very rapid, you meanleads to a quick death?	21:35
ecks	unless you're put in a ventilator, yes, it can be fatal	21:35
xrogaan	In Belgium we had a 30 years old who got sent home and died that night.	21:36
xrogaan	He wasn't in a severe condition though, from what I could read.	21:36
ecks	yeah, it seems like a trend where you can go from "some cough, fever and decent saturation" to "complete collapse" in a matter of days	21:37
ecks	rather than a gradual decompensation	21:37
xrogaan	Anyhow, what I mean is that people may not know they are in danger due to low oxygen as they don't "feel bad".	21:38
xrogaan	The video from BoJo trying to reassure people and all feel that way to me. Doesn't realize his brain is shutting down.	21:38
ryouma	would it show up earlier on a pulse oximiter?	21:39
ryouma	also, does the plesythomograph on any pulse oximiters do anything useful?	21:39
ecks	it's entirely possible Boris was saturating perfectly fine while making that video and then rapidly decompensated	21:39
Arsanerit	does that mean that people who die of covid-19 don't die in pain?	21:40
ecks	no, respiratory distress can be terrible	21:40
tinwhiskers	drowning for hours	21:41
tinwhiskers	or days	21:41
ecks	some hospitals in Sweden are worried of running out of palliative medicines like benzodiazepines and morphine	21:41
l0ndoner	Boris whilst sitting shoulder to shoulder with everyone during Cobra meetings and Cabinet meeting probably didnt help himself.... Get well soon Boris	21:41
l0ndoner	Swedes still all going out to pubs and carrying on as normal	21:42
xrogaan	I'm not a politician, so I don't have to pretend to feel anything towards BoJo. Not being cruel either, ten of thousands are in his very situation.	21:44
nixonix	and ski resorts (prob the hotspots no 1 for outbreaks in europe)	21:44
ecks	I'll just flee to Finland when it goes to shit	21:44
nixonix	passport	21:44
ecks	yes?	21:44
Arsanerit	nixonix: Sweden closed it ski resorts a couple of days ago	21:45
nixonix	ah ok. finally	21:46
Arsanerit	ahead of Easter	21:46
ecks	too little too late	21:46
ecks	got my backup plan ready	21:46
ecks	hiking over the ice to finland	21:47
nixonix	haha, ice...	21:47
ecks	plenty of ice in the north	21:47
ecks	ok, plenty is exaggerating	21:48
nixonix	i dont know, maybe there was ice over the river in lappland. at spots	21:48
ecks	that or I'll just cross the border in Tornio	21:48
nixonix	but lots of boats to borrow, if they close bridges	21:48
ecks	they can't stop me	21:49
nixonix	oh yeah theres a bit of good ice just in the northern part of bay	21:51
dunnp	%title https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-gene/episode-guide	21:56
Brainstorm	dunnp: From www.pbs.org: The Gene \| Episode Guide \| Ken Burns	21:56
dunnp	should be interesting for those wanting to learn a bit more about genetics	21:56
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 19:46 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson taken into intensive care – live updates → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	22:00
BruntLIVE	Boris is in ICU, he's looking to die, Trump up next. Old Testament lives, it surely lives.	22:04
l0ndoner	Boris not on venterlator just in ICU for precaytions	22:08
l0ndoner	precautions*	22:08
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +3829 cases (now 1334539), +251 deaths (now 74120), +408 recoveries (now 277737) since an hour ago — US: +3196 cases (now 359203), +195 deaths (now 10662), +61 recoveries (now 19308) since 2 hours ago — Michigan, US: +1503 cases (now 17221), +110 deaths (now 727) since 2 hours ago	22:08
stinkpot	chill out BruntLIVE he's just been taken to the ICU preemptively because he's a VIP	22:10
BruntLIVE	its over Putin n Netenu next	22:11
stinkpot	i wonder how many people have died because their transfer to the ICU room took longer than 10 minutes	22:11
ecks	probably not very many	22:12
stinkpot	they say that once you need to be transferred to the ICU, 10 mins is the critical figure. over the years there have been a lot of deaths due to ppl not getting enough oxygen to the brain upon their transfer to ICU	22:12
BruntLIVE	CoronaVirus make everyone equal, u cant shoot it or buy it off	22:12
ranaassad337[m]	Iluminati website (newsup4u) which is running in all the illumni network in world.. no one know about it.. it's scary	22:13
stinkpot	yeah you can, you can get meds allocated to you as profilaxis	22:13
light	BruntLIVE: https://xkcd.com/1217/	22:13
WW[m]	<BruntLIVE "CoronaVirus make everyone equal,"> immunity and the body is different for everyone	22:14
l0ndoner	if beach kills it why cant we drink diluted amounts of bleach	22:14
l0ndoner	forget that question	22:15
WW[m]	in other words not equal	22:15
l0ndoner	never happened	22:15
Brainstorm	New from r/Italy Live* at 20:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ultimo aggiornamento per la sera → https://is.gd/Rv6vhT	22:16
LjL	BruntLIVE, please stop saying nonsense	22:17
aradesh	he's right though, that it is the same challenge for humans, all differences aside	22:18
aradesh	an invisible enemy that does not discriminate	22:18
l0ndoner	same as trying to buy loo roll	22:18
xrogaan	aradesh: the old ones called that Danse Macabre.	22:19
xrogaan	Not very pleasant.	22:20
ryouma	when will loo roll and more return?	22:20
aldwich	evening all	22:24
tinwhiskers	hi aldwich	22:25
aldwich	hi tinwhiskers	22:25
WW[m]	btw malice dramatically reduces the immune system of anyone..	22:26
DocScrutinizer05	what's the algorithm used to calculate "Running Doubling Time"? E.G in https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany	22:30
tinwhiskers	DocScrutinizer05: one sec...	22:31
tinwhiskers	DocScrutinizer05: you do a linear regression over the log values for whatever period of time you are interested in to get the slope, then it's simply log(2)/slope	22:34
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +1404 cases (now 1337859) since 18 minutes ago — US: +1404 cases (now 362305) since 18 minutes ago — Connecticut, US: +1231 cases (now 6906) since 18 minutes ago	22:35
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:30 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Andy Shain su Twitter: "BREAKING: SC issues #coronavirus stay-at-home order, limits number of shoppers in stores https://t.co/GZ9wOCQ400" → https://is.gd/lIVpXH	22:36
tinwhiskers	DocScrutinizer05: oh, doubling time on offloop is currently calculated on confirmed cases, not deaths	22:37
DocScrutinizer05	tinwhiskers: so how's this value useful for anything? Seems "time interested in" == "Running Doubling Time" at least for Germany common use. We have R_0<1 but a "Running Doubling Time" of ~11 - it's obvious the numbers will never double in future with R_0<1	22:37
tinwhiskers	erm	22:38
genera	they anti-double. also known as half	22:38
genera	no?	22:38
tinwhiskers	Often doubling time of an infection is calculated over the entire period of the infection. However you may just want to know what the doubling time is over the last week, so you set it to seven days	22:39
DocScrutinizer05	yes, but we still have doubling time increasing from 10 to 11 and gvmt waits for 14	22:39
LjL	since the doubling time is on the total cases (not the active cases) i believe they can double even with R close or lower than 1	22:39
tinwhiskers	that's only used to calculate the slope, so it changes the slope a little changing the perdiod but not a lot	22:39
DocScrutinizer05	sorry?	22:40
DocScrutinizer05	ooooh	22:40
DocScrutinizer05	err no	22:40
tinwhiskers	Like if you use only 2 days the slope can be quite erratic. Choosing a week makes the slope a bit more averaged.	22:41
DocScrutinizer05	OMG thanks!	22:42
DocScrutinizer05	"Running Doubling Time" is proportional to total/new	22:43
DocScrutinizer05	right?	22:43
tinwhiskers	calculated from confirmed cases, yeah	22:44
DocScrutinizer05	wow I had a logic bug the size of a skyscaper, for a week or more	22:44
tinwhiskers	not sure if it's proportional to that... logs... brain splodes	22:44
DocScrutinizer05	I looked so focused on trend of NEW that it failed to occur to me that "Running Doubling Time" was for total, not new	22:45
tinwhiskers	ah	22:45
tinwhiskers	ahhh	22:45
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 20:38 UTC: Coronavirus cases: These states face biggest potential shortfalls in hospital ICU beds: New York and New Jersey are among the worst positioned in terms of hospital beds to handle new coronavirus cases. These charts show every state's status. → https://is.gd/ps6cnw	22:47
jester	cats are spreading covd 1	22:49
jester	19	22:49
tinwhiskers	jester: no they're not	22:49
tinwhiskers	unless you have new information.	22:50
tinwhiskers	They can catch it and show weak positive tests. It's unknown if they can spread it.	22:50
jester	human cat human	22:50
tinwhiskers	link?	22:51
jester	how the tiger get it	22:51
tinwhiskers	please don't spread FUD	22:51
jester	https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/06/tiger-got-covid-19-what-does-mean-pets-and-coronavirus/2953922001/	22:54
tinwhiskers	You made a claim cats are spreading the virus to humans. that's just a lie.	22:55
jester	Even before the confirmed case of COVID-19 in the tiger, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that sick people limit contact with their pets if possible.	22:55
tinwhiskers	I know it plays out well for fear mongers but FUD does nobody any good. Put up the facts for your claims	22:56
jester	it started in bats	22:56
tinwhiskers	jester: yes, because we don't know. That's very different from stating it as a fact	22:56
flex	do pets play a factor?	22:56
tinwhiskers	no	22:57
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 20:41 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson taken into intensive care – live updates → https://is.gd/KSxf7n	22:58
tinwhiskers	the virus can probably infect a lot of mammals at low levels and it is possible they could spread it to humans, but we don't have any evidence of this happening and if it is occurring it will be at a low rate	22:58
jester	do you wash your door knobs	22:59
jester	do pets stay six feet away	23:00
tinwhiskers	jester: please stop the FUD about pets. You're making claims and insinuations you can't back up.	23:00
flex	in my supermarket we have to use shopping carts now. and they don't seem to clean them that much. i think its useless.	23:01
tinwhiskers	they've removed carts and baskets at our shops. It's a pita.	23:02
tinwhiskers	you have to try to carry everything. They might let you bring your own bag though	23:02
tinwhiskers	I'll try that next time	23:02
aldwich	here, basket and trolley handles get wiped down at the entrace before income customers pick either one up	23:03
brate	LOL they removed them? So the opposite measures than here. How is it possible that they go completely opposite directions.	23:03
tinwhiskers	¯\_(ツ)_/¯	23:04
brate	i've seen them wiping them, but not that often	23:04
oxalis	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CVghO2ev/1586207047.JPG	23:04
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: British Prime Minister, who is suffering from coronavirus, has been admitted to intensive care as his condition has worsened (10183 votes) \| https://redd.it/fw4zdi	23:07
DocScrutinizer05	LjL: tinwhiskers: a zillion thanks, mates!	23:08
tinwhiskers	yw	23:09
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 20:56 UTC: Watch live: Coronavirus task force holds briefing as deaths in NY appear to flatten: Members of the coronavirus task force are expected to hold a press briefing Monday, after the daily total new deaths in New York, the state hit hardest by the outbreak, appeared to flatten two days in a row. → https://is.gd/kkuWP0	23:09
jester	https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/	23:11
jester	http://www.bccdc.ca/health-info/diseases-conditions/covid-19/self-isolation	23:16
jester	http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-gallery/Documents/Guidelines%20and%20Forms/Guidelines%20and%20Manuals/Epid/CD%20Manual/Chapter%201%20-%20CDC/COVID19-Contact-monitoring-form.pdf	23:18
Brainstorm	Updates for World: +2574 cases (now 1340433), +230 deaths (now 74425), +115 recoveries (now 277852) since 46 minutes ago — Spain: +1643 cases (now 136675), +172 deaths (now 13341) since 46 minutes ago — Germany: +429 cases (now 102453) since 46 minutes ago	23:20
Brainstorm	New from The Guardian at 21:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: death toll reaches 41 as two more hospital staff test positive in Tasmania – latest updates → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o	23:31
Jigsy	So if BoJo dies, who becomes PM?	23:33
bin_bash	xi jinping	23:36
jester	https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/06/hydroxychloroquine-trump-anthony-fauci-peter-navarro-whos-right/2953317001/	23:37
jester	https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/04/coronavirus-face-mask-tips-how-make-fabric-instructions/2945209001/	23:38
jester	https://www.gannett-cdn.com/experiments/usatoday/coronavirus-mask/sew-your-own-mask-pattern.pdf	23:38
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health at 21:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo doubles maximum fine for breaking social distancing rules to $1,000 as state cases rise → https://is.gd/kopIwj	23:42
dunnp	LjL: do you have both this channel and ##coronavirus?	23:42
MetaNova	dunnp: no	23:47
MetaNova	##coronavirus has different management	23:48
MetaNova	(though LjL is an op there)	23:49
stinkpot	https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.03.20047977v1	23:49
dunnp	whats the difference between the two channels	23:50
jester	more sex	23:51
kPa	one is about the virus the other is about the disease	23:51
Arsanerit	gn	23:53
dunnp	hmm	23:53
LjL	dunnp, we created the channels without knowing about each other. they were created almost simultaneously, chanserv tells me, which is kinda funny. i'd say they have slightly different-feeling communities, and they had a line where they wanted discussions that weren't immediately "relevant", and politics, to be had in another secondary channel, while here politics is okay with me unless people start namecalling or being petty etc... but anyway i think	23:54
LjL	they're changing those rules now. in any case, experience tells me that merging two channels like this would result in a mess and frictions. instead, i'm on perfectly good terms with them, to the point indeed i was made an op recently, but here i set the tone if i want, there i will mostly use my +o to stop spammers or the like, i guess	23:54
LjL	(the tone being set by me mostly involving messages that get way longer than 512)	23:55
bin_bash	also this one is full of matrix lusers and that one isnt, it has different lusers	23:55
bin_bash	:)	23:55
LjL	but yes, this one being intertwined with Matrix would make them even harder to merge	23:55
ryouma	so basciallly no discernable difference can be described it seems	23:57
ryouma	(i only do this one)	23:57
LjL	yes, that's why i wrote those 800 or so characters, to say "no discernible difference" :P	23:59
ryouma	i'd like to see a channel for those who need to ensure they have supplies of critical medicines, and for those who are running out of tsuff, ad for those who have special needs	23:59
ryouma	LjL: well that was my take on your monograph :)	23:59

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