| graphine | the staff there explains the low median age | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| stinkpot | nobody cares about older folks in germany? how can that be true? | 00:02 |
| stinkpot | "the staff"? | 00:02 |
| ubLIX | oh nice! that asshat SECNAT resigned | 00:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1589 cases (now 1424614), +142 deaths (now 81886) since 15 minutes ago — Spain: +1324 cases (now 141942), +133 deaths (now 14045) since 16 minutes ago — Brazil: +187 cases (now 14018) since 16 minutes ago | 00:05 |
| ubLIX | background: https://www.propublica.org/article/its-hardly-shocking-the-navy-fired-a-commander-for-warning-of-coronavirus-threat-its-part-of-a-pattern | 00:07 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: doco? | 00:07 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: i found "BBC Four - Contagion: The BBC Four Pandemic - BBC" | 00:09 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: yeah, that's it | 00:10 |
| tinwhiskers | they are both the same thing I think | 00:10 |
| tinwhiskers | The one I got was called "BBC.Contagion-The.BBC.Four.Pandemic--2018" | 00:11 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, wait, ignore me. | 00:11 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, that's it :-p | 00:11 |
| dividediff[m] | found the vid, 1 hr. It reminds me of that documentary about a potential dirty bomb in uk | 00:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:14 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Today's update from the Covid Tracking Project for daily US data has bad news. After a few days where US seemed to show a possible peak, it has turned out to at least partially due to weekend effects. Today recorded 1,941 deaths , by far the biggest daily total so far, with particularly notable [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/twYtJs | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:24 UTC: Mayo Clinic CEO says convalescent plasma could be effective treatment for coronavirus: A coalition of health and industry partners is looking at convalescent plasma as a potential treatment for the coronavirus, Mayo Clinic CEO Dr. Gianrico Farrugia told CNBC on Tuesday. → https://is.gd/wGG5eM | 00:33 |
| dividediff[m] | found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poZXRUxlaqk | 00:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: parliament returns to pass stimulus measures as death toll hits 48 – latest updates → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 00:44 |
| BruntLIVE | (Trying to be like Trump may get you fired or worse) Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly has resigned, a U.S. official said on Tuesday, one day after Modly apologized for suggesting the ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt was either "too naïve or too stupid" -- or perhaps even deliberately insubordinate -- over his handling of the ship's coronavirus outbreak. | 00:48 |
| ketas | tp mystery solved, it's for moonshine: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-mWK_kcZMs | 00:53 |
| LjL | We got a groceries delivery at 10 past midnight | 00:54 |
| LjL | Guy still had two more to do | 00:54 |
| ketas | LjL: eh | 00:55 |
| ketas | i had to visit store myself | 00:56 |
| LjL | Long queues outside for that, great for catching virus | 00:56 |
| ketas | they shaved 2h off from closing time, never seen store so full before | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:52 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump says US will stop funding World Heath Organization, then backtracks: President claims WHO ‘blew it’ after downplaying crisis himself Acting navy secretary resigns after comments on ousted captain New York has now lost 5,489 residents to coronavirus → https://is.gd/zqj2A7 | 01:06 |
| elizabethblog[m] | COVID19: Boris Johnson receiving oxygen, doesn't require ventilator | 01:06 |
| elizabethblog[m] | https://www.elizabethblog.com.ng/2020/04/covid19-boris-johnson-receiving-oxygen.html | 01:06 |
| LjL | ketas: store full is bad news :/ the queues outside here (and in a few other countries now AFAIK) are due to the fact there is a limit on the number of people allowed inside, a pretty small limit | 01:15 |
| LjL | Outside air is likely safer even if you're in a queue... | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as confirmed cases in Africa pass 10,000 → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1390 cases (now 1426004), +75 deaths (now 81961), +148 recoveries (now 301771) since an hour ago — US: +1095 cases (now 395277), +68 deaths (now 12784), +103 recoveries (now 21674) since an hour ago — Georgia (US), US: +338 cases (now 9156) since an hour ago | 01:21 |
| euod[m] | also why is that a nigerian site. | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 23:13 UTC: Coronavirus: Mental health hotline for NHS staff: Health workers can call or text the free number to get support and advice during the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/S7BNRw | 01:28 |
| ketas | LjL: there are 2m limits inside | 01:35 |
| ketas | but -2h, wtf | 01:36 |
| ecov | so black people are 2-3x more susceptible to covid? | 01:36 |
| ecov | any ideas why this may be the case? | 01:36 |
| ketas | loads of people came even after closing | 01:36 |
| ubLX | ecov: https://www.propublica.org/article/early-data-shows-african-americans-have-contracted-and-died-of-coronavirus-at-an-alarming-rate | 01:37 |
| ecov | so they dont know why? | 01:38 |
| ubLX | i don't know about the 2-3x part, though | 01:39 |
| ubLX | ecov: why don't you read that article before asking your followup question | 01:39 |
| ecov | i did | 01:39 |
| ubLX | and you didn't find it a reasonable exploration of 'why'? | 01:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: parliament returns to pass stimulus measures as death toll hits 48 – latest updates → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 01:40 |
| dividediff[m] | Ignoring obesity, does being overweight affect corona prognosis? | 01:40 |
| dividediff[m] | Did not find anything obvious | 01:40 |
| ecov | I didn't, ubLX | 01:41 |
| ecov | other than higher rate of diabetes and heart disease | 01:42 |
| ecov | Did you, ubLX? | 01:42 |
| eaxomar | hypertension is a know risk for coronavirus complications | 01:42 |
| dividediff[m] | eaxomar: and hypertension must be associated with overweightness huh? | 01:43 |
| eaxomar | yes. | 01:43 |
| ubLX | respiratory and cardiovascular reserve seem to be significant to good outcome for covid-19 | 01:43 |
| ecov | ubLX: did you read the article you posted? | 01:44 |
| dividediff[m] | Any idea about anemias and corona? | 01:44 |
| ecov | didnt think so..... | 01:44 |
| ubLX | ecov: i did | 01:44 |
| LjL | ubLX, it would be *forbidden* here to publish data broken down by race. it might be time to revise those laws i guess... | 01:45 |
| ecov | ubLX: im waiting... | 01:45 |
| ubLX | ecov: every sort of physiological reserve in health is reduced in any cohort subject to heightened deprivation | 01:45 |
| dividediff[m] | Thats interesting. So many cardiovascular/lung things worsen corona prognosis, but not sololy vascular things like anemia | 01:46 |
| dividediff[m] | Assuming anemia is vascular | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: would you like to sanitize a link in your website? | 01:46 |
| ecov | so... poor people are more susceptible to the virus, not just black folks | 01:46 |
| LjL | oh yeah i noticed there was some broken one then i forgot | 01:46 |
| ecov | i see right through you :) | 01:46 |
| ubLX | ecov: in general, of course | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: s| https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/ | https://corona.rki.de/ | g -- might eventually work better thanks to load balancing etc | 01:47 |
| LjL | wait i thought i already did that one | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh maybe you did and I failed to update my cache | 01:47 |
| dividediff[m] | What about low blood pressure and corona? | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if so, never mind | 01:48 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, yeah it's already fixed | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 01:48 |
| LjL | but there's another one that has broken syntax anyway | 01:48 |
| dividediff[m] | ecov: "People with high blood pressure may be at increased risk, especially if it's not under control and they have other health problems. But if their blood pressure is under control and they don't have other risk factors, they probably are not at any greater peril, experts say." | 01:49 |
| LjL | 'Royal is hearing that people aren’t necessarily being hospitalized but are being sent home instead and “told to self-medicate.” “What is alarming about that,” he said, “is that a number of those individuals were sent home with symptoms and died before the confirmation of their test came back.”' | 01:49 |
| LjL | this is something... there was just an interview on tv with the daughter of two people who both died of COVID here, the father ended up in ICU early, the mother didn't have "all the required symptoms" (though she had fever at 40°C) so she was kept home | 01:50 |
| LjL | when they finally came again and saw her o2sat was 55%, it was slightly late | 01:50 |
| LjL | and so she also died | 01:50 |
| dividediff[m] | seraching and found no obvious connection between low blood pressure and corona | 01:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 23:48 UTC: ljl-covid: Fix syntax → https://is.gd/cjzaid | 01:51 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada begins clinical trial of experimental COVID-19 treatment using plasma from recovered individuals | 01:52 |
| LjL | do they have validated antibody tests yet? | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think there are validated lab antibody tests. | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no flowtests | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | working to improve the crappy ones from china? | 01:56 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well, not here, not yet... but they are expected to be validated soon | 01:56 |
| LjL | i just assume to make a decent trial of plasma from recovered patients, you need to check for antibodies | 01:56 |
| dzho | I'd expect they'd limit it to those with confirmed-by-PCR cases | 01:57 |
| LjL | but still you kinda need to know for sure whether the antibodies are around in sufficient numbers | 01:57 |
| dzho | possibly doing some sort of immunological work that is more complex than could be widely deployed | 01:58 |
| dzho | blots | 01:58 |
| dividediff[m] | how's adventurer doing? | 01:58 |
| LjL | why, were they sick? | 01:59 |
| Jigsy | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/uk-will-be-europes-worst-hit-by-coronavirus-study-predicts | 01:59 |
| Jigsy | %title | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.theguardian.com: UK will have Europe's worst coronavirus death toll, says study | World news | The Guardian | 01:59 |
| LjL | 40%? yikes. | 02:00 |
| dividediff[m] | No, but australia was neck and neck with canada like 1-2 wks ago when i spoke to her and she was overall concerned at the time | 02:00 |
| LjL | i hope this is just a study made to spite herd immunity "theories" | 02:00 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 135586 cases, 17127 deaths (12.6% of cases), 24392 recoveries as of 19 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 02:01 |
| LjL | i don't know how that study would expect us to have no more than 20000 deaths by August, when we have 17000 now | 02:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:54 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump says US will stop funding World Heath Organization, then backtracks: President claims WHO ‘blew it’ after downplaying crisis himself Acting navy secretary resigns after comments on ousted captain New York has now lost 5,489 residents to coronavirus → https://is.gd/zqj2A7 | 02:02 |
| LjL | that just seems ridiculously optimistic (or rather, trying to make it look bad for the UK) | 02:02 |
| LjL | https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/491671-trump-considering-suspending-funding-to-who | 02:05 |
| LjL | ... seriously? wasn't HE the one brushing it off until, well, until he didn't? doesn't he have his own CDC and all that? the WHO definitely did call it, even though they made some bad calls | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1462 cases (now 1427466), +57 recoveries (now 301828) since 47 minutes ago — US: +946 cases (now 396223) since 47 minutes ago — Quebec, Canada: +760 cases (now 9340) since 2 hours ago | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:07 UTC: (news): Trump blames WHO for getting coronavirus pandemic wrong, threatens to withhold funding → https://is.gd/8HNuec | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there a quick lab tests for antibody now: a vial is coated with virus enzymes, the antibodies dock to the enzymes and then you add color tagged other antibodies that dpock to the antibodies, then you rinse and seee if color sticks to the vial | 02:14 |
| fltrz | LjL I assume WHO is considering finally releasing the COVID-19 dataset, and Trump won't have it because it invalidates the "we couldn't have known" and "china lied to us" blameshifting | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fake news filter: train spamassassin by feeding it trump's tweets | 02:19 |
| adventurer | I am ok. I am listening to this. https://twitter.com/ScottMorrisonMP/status/1247678030270480384?s=20 | 02:19 |
| adventurer | Scott Morrison AU Prime Minister talking in parliament live | 02:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: parliament returns to pass stimulus measures as death toll hits 49 – latest updates → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 02:24 |
| pepee | %title https://hackaday.com/2020/04/02/fda-says-ppe-can-be-reused-after-trip-through-shipping-container-decontamination-system/ | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | pepee: From hackaday.com: FDA Says PPE Can Be Reused After Trip Through Shipping Container Decontamination System | Hackaday | 02:30 |
| pepee | interesting talk in the comments | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | whenever I hear the phrase "game changer" now I just feel dirty. But that looks good. | 02:32 |
| adventurer | I think a lot of people are going to start dying in the next week in aU | 02:37 |
| adventurer | already starting to grow | 02:38 |
| adventurer | but the people are social distancing well that's good at least | 02:39 |
| adventurer | maybe | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | adventurer: your confirmed cases have been declining for about 10 days now. It looks like your restrictions are working well. What makes you think the deaths will go up next week? I mean sure, there's a lag, but is there some other reason? | 02:44 |
| brate | am i connected? | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean, I'm not one to complement Australians or anything like that but you seem to have done an outstanding job and have a very nice declining curve. | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | hi brate | 02:47 |
| pepee | brate, nopr | 02:47 |
| brate | hi @ all | 02:47 |
| lf94 | brate: 1, 2, 1, 2 | 02:48 |
| brate | using this ii tool first time so was not sure if it works. | 02:48 |
| pepee | hi brate | 02:48 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Thomas Modly: Navy Secretary resigns after calling fired captain behind coronavirus letter 'stupid' and 'naive' (19869 votes) | https://redd.it/fwqvov | 02:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A Nurse Bought Protective Supplies for Her Colleagues Using GoFundMe. The Hospital Suspended Her. (15867 votes) | https://redd.it/fwm4l6 | 02:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities (44286 votes) | https://redd.it/fwl3pz | 02:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Hundreds of conservation experts join forces to pressure WHO to force live animal markets to close (43175 votes) | https://redd.it/fwizhx | 02:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3714 cases (now 1431180) since 46 minutes ago — US: +3714 cases (now 399937) since 48 minutes ago — New York, US: +3521 cases (now 142384) since 48 minutes ago | 02:51 |
| scalar | hey guys | 02:51 |
| scalar | You are invited to take part in an important scientific lecture and chat with Dr Gamme Martin @ irc.butt.es #GAMME | 02:51 |
| pepee | %title https://utrf.tennessee.edu/information-faqs-performance-protection-sterilization-of-face-mask-materials/ | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | pepee, the URL could not be loaded | 02:52 |
| pepee | so that's where the 70°C for 30 mins sterilization recommendation comes from | 02:53 |
| pepee | wb brate | 02:53 |
| adventurer | tinwhiskers, yes that's why as it takes people some time to die | 02:54 |
| adventurer | hopefully they can give them good treatments | 02:54 |
| tinwhiskers | adventurer: ok. Well, you're kinda ahead of the game on flattening your curve so there's not a lot to compare to, except South Korea and Taiwan. Neither of those saw a spike in deaths after the cases flattened. S. Korea continued with a fairly linear increase and Taiwan had an almost immediate lowering of deaths as well. | 02:55 |
| adventurer | yeah but the numbers per day were going steadily up from 18 days ago | 02:56 |
| tinwhiskers | but, yeah, you should probably expect your deaths to continue to rise as they have been | 02:56 |
| adventurer | so some of those people might be starting to get very sick now | 02:57 |
| adventurer | also...how knows how many known community transmission...time will tell | 02:57 |
| adventurer | s/how/who | 02:57 |
| adventurer | s/known/unknown | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | so like only 5 a day. pretty damn good in the scheme of things | 02:58 |
| adventurer | I think you are trying to make me not worry | 02:58 |
| adventurer | thanks | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn you arcgis.com/! don't you have a single admin on duty and watch that could reset the "traffic volume expired" flag on a website of national and international relevance, run by an official entity like RKI? | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 03:01 |
| linext | is it possible to get the s/ replacement working on hexchat? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linext: on hexchat? | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: I always thought that was a channel function, not a client function | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually a bot funtion | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | err, right | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/bot/Bot/ | 03:02 |
| linext | here's a screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/KuvWRxK.png | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !s/bot/Bot/ | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~s/bot/Bot/ | 03:03 |
| lf94 | Who is Dr Gamme Martin? | 03:03 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: there isn't a bot in this channel that responds to regex replacements | 03:03 |
| ubLIX | not sure, lf94 | 03:04 |
| lf94 | I was going to say, seems like a scam | 03:04 |
| lf94 | butt.es is some weird place | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:55 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump threatens to stop WHO funding as global cases pass 1.4 million: Boris Johnson still in intensive care; top EU scientist resigns over bloc’s response to virus; cases in Africa pass 10,000; Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 03:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Truckers and grocery store employees could take home $25K in COVID-19 hazard pay under new ‘hero’ proposal (10042 votes) | https://redd.it/fwpnnc | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: parliament returns to pass stimulus measures as death toll hits 50 – latest updates → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 03:20 |
| lf94 | this 100x | 03:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:38 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, China reports 62 new cases and 2 deaths: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 03:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1403 cases (now 1432583), +63 deaths (now 82090), +312 recoveries (now 302140) since an hour ago — US: +475 cases (now 400412) since an hour ago — Pennsylvania, US: +386 cases (now 14945) since an hour ago | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: S&P puts credit rating on negative watch as MPs vote on stimulus package – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:05 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, China reports 62 new cases and 2 deaths: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 04:16 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: UPDATE: Denmark not only seeing stagnation but fall in hospitalizations (10022 votes) | https://redd.it/fwjp7r | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: S&P puts credit rating on negative watch as MPs vote on stimulus package – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump threatens to stop WHO funding as global cases pass 1.4 million: Boris Johnson still in intensive care; top EU scientist resigns over bloc’s response to virus; cases in Africa pass 10,000; Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 04:38 |
| LjL | %title https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the URL could not be loaded | 04:39 |
| LjL | meh | 04:39 |
| ubLIX | LjL: how's your Danish? | 04:40 |
| LjL | ikke så godt | 04:40 |
| LjL | hvorfor? | 04:40 |
| ubLIX | the hospitalisation numbers in CoronaBot's Denmark link look quite odd given the continuing exponential increase in cases there. | 04:40 |
| ubLIX | i'm wondering if the graph linked is just reflecting recent deaths (releasing hospital beds) | 04:40 |
| LjL | ubLIX, first blue line is total taken to hospital | 04:41 |
| LjL | greenish is fraction taken to intensive care | 04:41 |
| ubLIX | i know | 04:41 |
| LjL | third is the fraction of those on ventilators | 04:41 |
| ubLIX | but could that language possibly be construed as "numbers currently in" | 04:42 |
| LjL | hmm | 04:42 |
| LjL | in swedish i'd know how to make that distinction, maybe | 04:42 |
| LjL | %tr <sv >da inlagd | 04:42 |
| LjL | %tr <sv >da inlagt | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Swedish to Danish: Bogført (MyMemory) — syltede (Google) — indlagt (Apertium) | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Swedish to Danish: Bogført (MyMemory) — Indtastede (Google) — indlagt (Apertium) | 04:43 |
| LjL | %tr antal inlagte på sygehus i alt | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Danish to English: total number of people admitted to hospital (MyMemory) — total hospital admissions (Google) — Multitude ***inlagte at hospital in **alt (Apertium) | 04:43 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i think it could mean either thing | 04:44 |
| LjL | %cases denmark | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Denmark, there are 5071 cases, 203 deaths (4.0% of cases), 1491 recoveries as of 15 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 12.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:44 |
| LjL | ubLIX, might have been wiser for the redditor to link to the article instead of just the graph... | 04:45 |
| ubLIX | certainly the reddit graph fall in "admitted" seems to reflect the spike in deaths from end of March to April 4th | 04:46 |
| LjL | ubLIX, the total lack of critical thinking about this in the reddit thread is encouraging in my faith in mankind | 04:46 |
| LjL | ubLIX, https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fwjp7r/update_denmark_not_only_seeing_stagnation_but/fmr53fc/ | 04:48 |
| LjL | now tinwhiskers can expect to be slashdotted | 04:48 |
| ubLIX | oh, i found the explanation in the comments: "Denmark does everything right. Denmark is perfect. Denmark is the perfect model country that every country should aspire to be." | 04:50 |
| LjL | oh okay then | 04:50 |
| LjL | they have an awful-sounding language though | 04:50 |
| stinkpot | is the worst behind italy now? | 04:51 |
| brate | ubLIX: why are so jelly? just move to denmark already. | 04:53 |
| brate | *u | 04:53 |
| ubLIX | brate: they are faring much much better than the UK, no question | 04:53 |
| stinkpot | i wonder why that would be | 04:55 |
| brate | really interested how it will continue in the US...didn't look good with all the spring break stuff | 04:56 |
| brate | 400k according to worldometer :O | 04:56 |
| brate | https://github.com/sagarkarira/coronavirus-tracker-clirding pretty good CLI live tracker. uses data from worldometer but can be configured to use john hopkins as well. | 04:59 |
| LjL | italy may be slightly post-peak, that doesn't mean there won't be additional peaks, or even that the trend will reverse, also considering the past few days have been very sunny and many people have broken the lockdown, and likely many more will for easter | 04:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:45 UTC: Rice prices surge to 7-year high as coronavirus sparks stockpiling: The price of rice — a staple food in Asia — has hit 7-year highs due to the coronavirus crisis as importers rush to stockpile the grain while exporters curb shipments. → https://is.gd/L6Bj0M | 05:00 |
| brate | sry, link was broken! https://github.com/sagarkarira/coronavirus-tracker-cli | 05:00 |
| adventurer | https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/1247721931589029888?s=20 | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, China reports 62 new cases and 2 deaths: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 05:12 |
| pyna | isn't denmark mean to native greenlanders? | 05:16 |
| pyna | source: smilla's sense of snow | 05:16 |
| tinwhiskers | wow. Wuhan out of lockdown. | 05:21 |
| tinwhiskers | I wonder if we'll get any interesting video footage from the expats there | 05:21 |
| jester | have a movie for you the platform 2019 from yts | 05:34 |
| jester | tinwhiskers, i saw the wet markets open bat for lunch | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:31 UTC: Rice prices surge to 7-year high as coronavirus sparks stockpiling: The price of rice — a staple food in Asia — has hit 7-year highs due to the coronavirus crisis as importers rush to stockpile the grain while exporters curb shipments. → https://is.gd/L6Bj0M | 05:37 |
| swift110 | hey | 05:38 |
| xrogaan | I don't understand https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies | 05:41 |
| xrogaan | %title | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan, the URL could not be loaded | 05:41 |
| sYN4P515 | !url https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-07/hospitals-washington-seize-coronavirus-supplies | 05:42 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[URL] Feds are seizing coronavirus supplies, hospitals say - Los Angeles Times - latimes.com | 05:42 |
| tinwhiskers | jester: I don't follow, sorry | 05:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, Tesla will slash employee pay and furlough employees: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 05:45 |
| ryouma | what does tesla have to do with anything? | 05:45 |
| ubLIX | their factories were re-purposed to make ventilators? | 05:46 |
| jester | movie the platform 2019 from yts torrents | 05:46 |
| tinwhiskers | I have no idea what that means | 05:47 |
| ryouma | ubLIX: they were? i thought they just made batteries. and bought 1k ventilators from china and donated them to sf or something | 05:47 |
| ubLIX | ryouma: don't know; didn't look into it | 05:47 |
| tinwhiskers | They did buy some but are also making them | 05:47 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Bill Gates calls Taiwan's handling of coronavirus 'exemplary' (10004 votes) | https://redd.it/fwl7qs | 05:49 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: you may not be aware but they also make cars. Some of the car components are useful but mostly it's new stuff I think | 05:50 |
| ryouma | i fear talk of peaks will create complacency | 05:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 05:51 |
| ryouma | "oh i can go back to the gym again, we hit the peak" | 05:51 |
| jester | gey your mind off the covid | 05:51 |
| tinwhiskers | https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/05/tesla-shows-how-its-building-ventilators-with-car-parts/ | 05:53 |
| jester | get | 05:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Maybe by the time we lift restrictions the second time people will have figured out it's in their own best interest to not be silly | 05:56 |
| swift110 | true | 05:56 |
| tinwhiskers | More likely some people will figure the relaxing of restrictions will only last a few weeks and party hard to make the most of it, making that a self-fulfilling prophecy. | 06:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: S&P puts credit rating on negative watch as MPs vote on stimulus package – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 06:01 |
| tinwhiskers | You can always rely on teenagers and fuckwits to ruin it for everyone else. | 06:02 |
| ryouma | puts WHAT company's credit rating on negative watch? | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean... Thus, tradgedy of the commons will ensue. | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: Australia's credit rating | 06:06 |
| ryouma | ok | 06:06 |
| rajrajraj | A lot many deaths yesterday isn't it | 06:10 |
| swift110 | yes | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 04:17 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via → https://is.gd/r07N3J | 06:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: S&P puts credit rating on negative watch as MPs vote on stimulus package – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 06:33 |
| pwr22 | I'm getting covid spam emails from "bill gates" | 06:35 |
| pwr22 | He wants to give me $5 million as part of his efforts to tackle the virus 🤔 | 06:35 |
| hime0698 | lol | 06:36 |
| hime0698 | those spam emails just never get any better do they? | 06:36 |
| sYN4P515 | hey, when the prince of nigeria himself needs your help, you comply | 06:37 |
| hime0698 | lol | 06:37 |
| hime0698 | Ive won the lottery so many times | 06:38 |
| hime0698 | like you would not believe | 06:38 |
| hime0698 | I mean what are the odds of repetedly winning the lottery? Esp considering I dont paly | 06:38 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Hospitals say feds are seizing masks and other coronavirus supplies without a word (10030 votes) | https://redd.it/fwusyf | 06:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China's Wuhan city reopens as UK scientists project UK will become hardest-hit European country → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 06:50 |
| jester | bat soup | 06:55 |
| ryouma | did california declare independence? | 06:58 |
| ryouma | latimes article: “We decided enough’s enough. Let’s use the power, the purchasing power of the state of California, as a nation-state" | 06:58 |
| pwr22 | <hime0698 "I mean what are the odds of repe"> Oh yeah, I win the Euro Millions every time even though I don't play | 07:03 |
| pwr22 | I just have the touch | 07:03 |
| pwr22 | <Brainstorm "New from The Guardian at 04:40 U"> Why is UK going to be worst hit? | 07:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 05:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Fondatore di Twitter Jack Dorsey annuncia che donerà **1 Miliardo di dollari (28% del suo patrimonio) alla 'lotta' contro il coronavirus. → https://is.gd/dgnV59 | 07:06 |
| pwr22 | Can't actually find any citation in the guardian page | 07:13 |
| pwr22 | So I'll take that with a grain of salt | 07:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:10 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, Tesla will slash employee pay and furlough employees: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 07:14 |
| Buzzz | pwr22 | 07:19 |
| Buzzz | pwr22 that B | 07:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: S&P puts credit rating on negative watch as MPs vote on stimulus package – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 07:22 |
| ubLIX | pwr22: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/uk-will-be-europes-worst-hit-by-coronavirus-study-predicts | 07:33 |
| ubLIX | https://interactive.guim.co.uk/charts/embed/apr/2020-04-07T13:51:10/embed.html | 07:33 |
| ubLIX | The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle, apparently | 07:34 |
| echobbyist_ | !covid india | 07:36 |
| CoronaBot | India: Global rank: #24, cases: 5,356 (+5), fatalities: 160, active cases: 4,728, total recovered: 468, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 2.99%, case fatality rate: 25.48%, cases/1M: 4.0, deaths/1M: 0.1. Case rate: 573/24h, death rate: 24/24h. Tests: 140,293, tests/1M: 102. | 07:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:41 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, Tesla will slash employee pay and furlough employees: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 07:47 |
| pwr22 | !compare uk;it | 07:54 |
| pwr22 | It's not looking great, that's for sure | 07:55 |
| ubLIX | in absolute numbers, UK looks slightly luckier than Spain to me; per population several countries look in worse shape | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: S&P puts credit rating on negative watch as MPs vote on stimulus package – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 08:03 |
| jester | https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2020/03/india-sealing-off-villages-exposed-to-a-covid-19-superspreader.html#more-163644 | 08:04 |
| L0NDONER | morning | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:24 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, Tesla will slash employee pay and furlough employees: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: MPs pass $130bn wage subsidy package as Covid-19 cases near 6,000 – latest news → https://is.gd/kBHg7N | 08:35 |
| PlanckWalk | (That's about US$13000 per worker) | 08:38 |
| echobbyist_ | great | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:40 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan eases lockdown, Tesla will slash employee pay and furlough employees: The central Chinese city of Wuhan — where the coronavirus was first reported — started allowing people to leave for the first time since it was locked down. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:46 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 4,000, Euro zone fails to reach stimulus deal: The number of confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,003 in the past 24 hours to a total of 103,228, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 08:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:05 UTC: (news): European markets open lower as hopes for quick coronavirus recovery fade → https://is.gd/ajHKaB | 09:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1278 cases (now 1434034), +51 deaths (now 82163), +174 recoveries (now 302324) since 3 hours ago — Ukraine: +206 cases (now 1668) since 3 hours ago — Finland: +179 cases (now 2487) since 3 hours ago | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:12 UTC: (news): Euro zone fails to reach a deal on new coronavirus stimulus after 16 hours of talks → https://is.gd/GGr5aw | 09:16 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Los Angeles had the cleanest air of any major city in the world on Monday (10018 votes) | https://redd.it/fwrrd8 | 09:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus: London has enough intensive care beds to deal with crisis, says Sadiq Khan → https://is.gd/JqqEZK | 09:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:26 UTC: (news): UK leader Boris Johnson spends a second night in intensive care with coronavirus → https://is.gd/AeVlPF | 09:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:35 UTC: Donald Trump stokes fresh coronavirus row as Wuhan reopens: US president accuses World Health Organization of China bias as New York records its highest daily death toll and Wuhan lockdown eases → https://is.gd/6B2xTT | 09:41 |
| Buzzz | China did it :P | 09:42 |
| daveinaus | L0NDONER: evening | 09:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:46 UTC: (news): European markets decline as hopes for imminent coronavirus recovery fade → https://is.gd/ajHKaB | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1246 cases (now 1435280), +129 recoveries (now 302453) since 52 minutes ago — Russia: +1175 cases (now 8672), +86 recoveries (now 580) since 52 minutes ago | 09:54 |
| mefistofeles | good for CHina, tbh | 09:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci: "What keeps [me] awake at night? Well, it's irrelevant because I don't sleep anymore." (10126 votes) | https://redd.it/fwyg6p | 09:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:47 UTC: Business: Insurers cut dividends as Bank of England warns on payouts in Covid-19 crisis – business live → https://is.gd/8LeqiH | 09:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:09 UTC: Rice prices surge to 7-year high as coronavirus sparks stockpiling: The price of rice — a staple food in Asia — has hit 7-year highs due to the coronavirus crisis as importers rush to stockpile the grain while exporters curb shipments. → https://is.gd/L6Bj0M | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:15 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: US → https://is.gd/jIJUo0 | 10:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:20 UTC: (news): European markets decline as hopes for imminent coronavirus recovery fade → https://is.gd/ajHKaB | 10:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Drugmaker caps insulin costs at $35 to help diabetes patients during Coronavirus pandemic (10073 votes) | https://redd.it/fwwfpn | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China's Wuhan city reopens as Boris Johnson spends second night in intensive care → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 10:46 |
| mefistofeles | https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b nice one | 10:48 |
| tinwhiskers | That's a good article | 10:50 |
| tinwhiskers | Well tropical cyclone Harold is bearing down on me now and only a few hours away, bringing winds of 230kph. Windows shuttered now. Fortunately it'll go a bit South of here so I'll only catch the edge. Internet is breaking up so I'll see if I can get some sleep. Gn | 10:56 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: woah, take care... hope you get some rest | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/h2Iftv | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1126 cases (now 1436406), +71 deaths (now 82246), +572 recoveries (now 303025) since an hour ago — Austria: +466 recoveries (now 4512) since an hour ago — Denmark: +315 cases (now 5386) since an hour ago | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:16 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 4,000, Euro zone fails to reach stimulus deal: The number of confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,003 in the past 24 hours to a total of 103,228, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 11:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1485 cases (now 1437891), +207 deaths (now 82453), +703 recoveries (now 303728) since 21 minutes ago — Belgium: +1209 cases (now 23403), +205 deaths (now 2240), +524 recoveries (now 4681) since 21 minutes ago — Malaysia: +156 cases (now 4119), +166 recoveries (now 1487) since 21 minutes ago | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus: London has enough intensive care beds to deal with crisis, says Sadiq Khan → https://is.gd/JqqEZK | 11:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:32 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 4,000, Euro zone fails to reach stimulus deal: The number of confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,003 in the past 24 hours to a total of 103,228, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:37 UTC: US coronavirus cases top 400,000, doubling in one week: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has surpassed 400,000, according to NBC figures, with 12,864 fatalities nationwide. → https://is.gd/2kcwgO | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:46 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US coronavirus cases top 400,000; Euro zone fails to reach stimulus deal: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. surpassed 400,000 on Wednesday, according to figures provided by NBC, with 12,864 fatalities nationwide. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4748 cases (now 1442639), +512 deaths (now 82965), +4821 recoveries (now 308549) since 41 minutes ago — Spain: +4748 cases (now 146690), +510 deaths (now 14555), +4813 recoveries (now 48021) since 41 minutes ago | 11:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:56 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: WHO says situation in Europe still 'very concerning' as China's Wuhan city reopens → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 11:59 |
| Birosso | %cases US | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, US, there are 400549 cases, 12857 deaths (3.2% of cases), 21711 recoveries as of 23 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:00 UTC: US coronavirus cases top 400,000, doubling in one week: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has surpassed 400,000, according to NBC figures, with 12,864 fatalities nationwide. → https://is.gd/2kcwgO | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5307 cases (now 1447946), +154 deaths (now 83119), +95 recoveries (now 308644) since 32 minutes ago — Iran: +4697 cases (now 67286), +131 deaths (now 4003) since 32 minutes ago — Romania: +344 cases (now 4761), +68 recoveries (now 528) since 32 minutes ago | 12:09 |
| brate | https://github.com/sagarkarira/coronavirus-tracker-cli <-- pretty good CLI livetracker | 12:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: London has enough hospital beds, says Khan, as Boris Johnson remains in intensive care → https://is.gd/JqqEZK | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:27 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: WHO says situation in Europe still 'very concerning' as China's Wuhan city reopens → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 12:32 |
| toxx49 | whatever you do or say. can be used against you | 12:45 |
| mefistofeles | toxx49: true, I just hope people will tend not to do that | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/nS1fuu | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:52 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US coronavirus cases top 400,000; Spain's death toll rises above 14,500: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. surpassed 400,000 on Wednesday, according to figures provided by NBC, with 12,864 fatalities nationwide. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 12:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:58 UTC: 'Corona bonds': Here are three reasons why Germany and the Netherlands oppose the idea: The coronavirus pandemic has resurfaced past divisions among northern and southern nations over how to fund the costs of the crisis. → https://is.gd/kb4mKW | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: London has enough hospital beds, says Khan, as Boris Johnson remains in intensive care → https://is.gd/JqqEZK | 13:21 |
| anonq | hi | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:23 UTC: Watch live: Coronavirus task force holds briefing as Congress considers additional funding: Members of the coronavirus task force are expected to hold a press briefing Tuesday, in what has become a daily affair as the pandemic continues to claim lives. → https://is.gd/DNoXNy | 13:29 |
| term99 | %data ohio | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there are 4782 cases, 167 deaths (3.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 11 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 13:30 |
| mefistofeles | woah, really under tested there | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:29 UTC: (news): Empty hotels 'keep the lights on' by converting into coronavirus quarantines, emergency housing for first responders → https://is.gd/bC7G9z | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:42 UTC: US coronavirus cases top 400,000; Spain's death toll rises above 14,500: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. surpassed 400,000 on Wednesday, according to figures provided by NBC, with 12,864 fatalities nationwide. → https://is.gd/yEHFTN | 13:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GM to produce 30,000 ventilators, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 13:54 |
| toxx49 | there are lots of experts over at ##coronavirus | 13:55 |
| mefistofeles | toxx49: sure, we have plenty here as well, thanks | 13:58 |
| toxx49 | i meant "experts" | 13:58 |
| mefistofeles | toxx49: haha ok | 14:00 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, there's a ok not sure what you mean exactly, but there'sa reason why I'm not in that channel :) | 14:00 |
| MacGeek | EcKsHpUrTs | 14:00 |
| mefistofeles | delete fail | 14:00 |
| toxx49 | seems like china and south Korea stoped the virus in its tracks | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:57 UTC: US coronavirus cases top 400,000, doubling in one week: The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has surpassed 400,000, according to NBC figures, with 12,864 fatalities nationwide. → https://is.gd/2kcwgO | 14:02 |
| mefistofeles | toxx49: yeah, AUstralia also, it seems | 14:02 |
| mefistofeles | Austria and Denmark as well | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GM to produce 30,000 ventilators, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 14:10 |
| ecrockz123 | !help | 14:16 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[OK] Coronavirus commands: | 14:16 |
| CoronaBot | Show global stats: !corona | Show stats for a country/state (US/AU/CA): !corona country | Show stats for a county (US): !corona county, state (ex: !corona new york city, ny) | 14:16 |
| CoronaBot | Top ten infected countries today: !corona today | all-time: !corona alltime | Top ten countries with fatalities today: !corona todaydead | all-time: !corona alltimedead | 14:16 |
| CoronaBot | Top ten infected states/provinces: !usa !australia !canada | 14:16 |
| ecrockz123 | !source | 14:18 |
| CovBot | I was created by Peter Roberts and MIT licensed on Github at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot. I fetch new data every 15 minutes from http://offloop.net/covid19h/unconfirmed.csv, https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/ca796627a2294c51926865748c4a56e8/data and https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/b684319181f94875a6879bbc833ca3a6/data. Risk estimates are based on the model at | 14:18 |
| CovBot | https://www.desmos.com/calculator/v0zif7tflm. | 14:18 |
| ecrockz123 | !age 24 | 14:19 |
| ecrockz123 | !risk 24 | 14:20 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 24 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 100.0% chance of survival, a 7.8% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 0.9% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.0% chance of death. | 14:20 |
| ecrockz123 | !risk 60 | 14:20 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 60 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 98.1% chance of survival, a 30.4% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 10.8% risk of needing intensive care there and a 1.9% chance of death. | 14:21 |
| ecrockz123 | !risk 50 | 14:21 |
| CovBot | I estimate a 50 year old patient sick with COVID-19 has a 99.1% chance of survival, a 24.1% likelihood of needing to go to hospital, a 8.1% risk of needing intensive care there and a 0.9% chance of death. | 14:21 |
| mefistofeles | ecrockz123: don't abuse the bot | 14:23 |
| mefistofeles | ecrockz123: or do it in private msg | 14:23 |
| dzho | wait. you're saying, use private msg if you want to do a lot of it? or not to burden the bot by hitting it in pm? | 14:24 |
| mefistofeles | the first | 14:24 |
| dzho | ok, thanks. want to be sure :-) | 14:24 |
| ecrockz123 | I though it was private sorry | 14:24 |
| mefistofeles | ecrockz123: sure, no problem | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:24 UTC: (news): UK's Boris Johnson 'responding to treatment' after a second night in intensive care with coronavirus → https://is.gd/AeVlPF | 14:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:37 UTC: (news): Trump blames WHO for getting coronavirus pandemic wrong, threatens to withhold funding → https://is.gd/8HNuec | 14:43 |
| mefistofeles | crazy Trump | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:46 UTC: (news): European markets decline as hopes for imminent coronavirus recovery fade → https://is.gd/ajHKaB | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:04 UTC: GM to build 30,000 ventilators for national stockpile for $489.4 million: General Motors will build 30,000 ventilators for the national stockpile for $489.4 million to assist in the coronavirus pandemic, government officials announced Wednesday. → https://is.gd/EIZFl9 | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:15 UTC: 'Now is not the time': WHO responds to Trump's threat to cut funding: The WHO responded to President Trump's threat to cut its funding, saying the move would not be appropriate during the global coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/UDq4zn | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1227 cases (now 1449173), +329 deaths (now 83448), +539 recoveries (now 309183) since 3 hours ago — Netherlands: +969 cases (now 20549), +147 deaths (now 2248) since 3 hours ago — Sweden: +726 cases (now 8419), +96 deaths (now 687) since 3 hours ago | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GM to produce 30,000 ventilators, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1956 cases (now 1451129), +127 recoveries (now 309310) since 22 minutes ago — Germany: +1515 cases (now 109178) since 22 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +300 cases (now 2659), +53 recoveries (now 239) since 22 minutes ago | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:50 UTC: (news): UK's Boris Johnson 'responding to treatment' after a second night in intensive care with coronavirus → https://is.gd/AeVlPF | 15:57 |
| evenevneneve | %data iceland | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | evenevneneve: In all areas, Iceland, there are 1616 cases, 6 deaths (0.4% of cases), 633 recoveries as of 8 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iceland for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 0.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:57 |
| evenevneneve | %data norway | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | evenevneneve: In all areas, Norway, there are 6086 cases, 93 deaths (1.5% of cases), 32 recoveries as of 9 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Norway for time series data. | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin says small businesses should not worry about relief funding, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City coronavirus hospitalizations slowing, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 16:29 |
| mefistofeles | good news | 16:31 |
| Hullo1 | Hello | 16:32 |
| mefistofeles | Hullo1: hey | 16:33 |
| Hullo1 | mefistofeles, What good news you refer to? | 16:34 |
| mefistofeles | Hullo1: the ones just posted by the bot, specially the number of hospitalizations in NYC slowing | 16:34 |
| Hullo1 | Well, they had to slow at one point. In either case, there are already far too many cases in the US | 16:40 |
| lf94 | Is 'the flattening' too late? | 16:42 |
| mefistofeles | lf94: too late? too late for what? | 16:44 |
| mefistofeles | it is as soon as could be, I guess | 16:44 |
| mefistofeles | and could be worse, as well | 16:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus outbreak should begin to turn around after 'bad week for deaths,' White House advisor Dr. Fauci says → https://is.gd/MQ4b5l | 16:44 |
| mefistofeles | indeed, now the deaths spike, because of the usual delay | 16:45 |
| mefistofeles | 1-2 weeks | 16:45 |
| Hullo1 | lf94, Yes | 16:46 |
| Hullo1 | It could have been managed in a much better way | 16:46 |
| mefistofeles | Hullo1: easy to say | 16:46 |
| Hullo1 | mefistofeles, Amongst developed countries, US had the worst response | 16:46 |
| mefistofeles | Hullo1: I'm not sure about that | 16:47 |
| Hullo1 | mefistofeles, Heck, even poor countries are doing better than it currently | 16:47 |
| Hullo1 | mefistofeles, US has the most nos of cases. The numbers speak for themselves | 16:47 |
| mefistofeles | more cases commonly means better testing | 16:47 |
| mefistofeles | so, not sure, it's not that simple | 16:47 |
| Hullo1 | Yes, in a way, that is true. But even in terms of deaths, US is doing bad | 16:48 |
| Biep[m] | [US distribution is not trivial.](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-fiscal-analysi/wobbly-u-s-fiscal-response-could-deepen-coronavirus-recession-idUSKBN21Q0H1) | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:50 UTC: New York City sees stabilization in coronavirus hospital cases, city needs to 'double down' on suppression, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City has seen a slowing need for ventilators and a stabilized hospitalization rate for coronavirus cases, but the city should "double down" on efforts to suppress the pandemic, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/uAA0HB | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3050 cases (now 1454179), +119 deaths (now 83617), +497 recoveries (now 309807) since an hour ago — US: +1922 cases (now 402471), +57 deaths (now 12914), +93 recoveries (now 21804) since an hour ago — Maryland, US: +1158 cases (now 5529) since an hour ago | 16:54 |
| graphine | hej | 17:01 |
| dTal | hej | 17:04 |
| graphine | dTal, | 17:07 |
| graphine | how are you | 17:07 |
| dTal | I am fine how about you | 17:07 |
| graphine | i am okay | 17:08 |
| graphine | i need to go shopping later | 17:08 |
| graphine | hoep i will not catch anything lol | 17:08 |
| dTal | do you have a mask? | 17:08 |
| graphine | just worrying about my old mother that all | 17:08 |
| graphine | nope i do not think that you get get masks here anymore lol | 17:08 |
| graphine | plus it doesnt help at all | 17:09 |
| graphine | if it is not at least ffp2 i gues | 17:09 |
| dTal | every little helps | 17:09 |
| graphine | where are you? | 17:09 |
| dTal | UK | 17:09 |
| graphine | i am in germany | 17:09 |
| graphine | i have heard about your 700.000 how you call them again | 17:10 |
| graphine | voluntaries | 17:10 |
| graphine | thats awesome | 17:11 |
| dTal | the community spirit is good in the UK | 17:11 |
| graphine | yes | 17:11 |
| dTal | it's just a pity it takes so long for people to wake up | 17:11 |
| dTal | we could have done with this 3 weeks ago | 17:11 |
| graphine | has always been in the angloamerican countries | 17:11 |
| graphine | in germany i am not sure about that anymore used to be better when i was y child | 17:12 |
| graphine | *a | 17:12 |
| graphine | inmy part of the town people are even too stupid to keep the social distancing | 17:12 |
| graphine | will shop tonight in the next burrough where the people are a tad more wise | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:09 UTC: New York City sees stabilization in coronavirus hospital cases, city needs to 'double down' on suppression, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City has seen a slowing need for ventilators and a stabilized hospitalization rate for coronavirus cases, but the city should "double down" on efforts to suppress the pandemic, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/uAA0HB | 17:13 |
| dTal | I think this is the hidden benefit of nationalism, which from what I've seen is an emotion that German culture has been supressing | 17:13 |
| pwr22 | It's very unlikely anyone could easily cause it any issues with that 🙂 | 17:13 |
| graphine | dTal, we better suppress it | 17:14 |
| dTal | people are motivated to do their country's self-image proud | 17:14 |
| graphine | dTal, our way of nationalism is pretty unhealthy | 17:14 |
| graphine | pwr22, cause what? | 17:15 |
| dTal | well, you need to replace it with something more subtle then - pride in being a human or some such | 17:15 |
| graphine | with what | 17:15 |
| graphine | dTal its okay i got used to it | 17:15 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says he doesn't think Americans should ever shake hands again to prevent spread of coronavirus (10431 votes) | https://redd.it/fx4vut | 17:15 |
| dTal | anyway, definitely improvise some sort of mask for your supermarket trips | 17:16 |
| pwr22 | <graphine "pwr22, cause what?"> Overburdening Cov Bot | 17:16 |
| dTal | the supermarket is the most dangerous place to go right now | 17:16 |
| graphine | oh ok | 17:16 |
| graphine | yes it is dTal | 17:16 |
| graphine | but i need some stuff you cant help but i hope that it will be less frequented | 17:17 |
| graphine | usually it is | 17:17 |
| dTal | the safest time to go is first thing in the morning | 17:17 |
| graphine | you think so | 17:17 |
| dTal | (except that a lot of people know that, so it's often more crowded in the morning - tradeoff) | 17:18 |
| graphine | i was thinking about late evening | 17:18 |
| dTal | yes, the virus lingers in the air, so the fewer people have been in the shop the less likely there is to be virus | 17:18 |
| graphine | oh ok | 17:18 |
| dTal | late evening might be okay if it's been quiet for a few hours | 17:19 |
| graphine | mom just needs stuff old farts can be pretty annoying | 17:19 |
| graphine | i can eat just pasta for weeks | 17:20 |
| graphine | in the news they talk about that a lot of companies may be taken over now slowly | 17:21 |
| graphine | i am poor i guess poor stay poor rich become richer and the loss is to the mid level | 17:21 |
| graphine | are you a computer whizz dTal | 17:22 |
| dTal | me? yup | 17:22 |
| dTal | why | 17:22 |
| graphine | just curious | 17:23 |
| graphine | i am somewhat new to irc | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City coronavirus hospitalizations slowing, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 17:24 |
| graphine | seems most likely computer guys use it | 17:27 |
| L0NDONER | yea irc is older than the hills graphine | 17:31 |
| L0NDONER | hope you enjoy | 17:31 |
| graphine | yes i know i somewhat enjoy | 17:32 |
| pwr22 | My manager told me the other day he doesn't know what IRC is | 17:32 |
| pwr22 | I didn't know what to say | 17:32 |
| graphine | lots of channels are full of people but nevertheless pretty quiet L0NDONER | 17:32 |
| pwr22 | graphine: maybe take a look at matrix.org? | 17:32 |
| graphine | manager need other abilities i guess | 17:33 |
| pwr22 | If you aren't already tied in to IRC historically then it's probably "better" | 17:33 |
| graphine | sorry for my sucky english | 17:33 |
| graphine | i used to use aol back in the days that was fun | 17:33 |
| pwr22 | <graphine "sorry for my sucky english"> Np 🙂 | 17:33 |
| pwr22 | Good old AIM | 17:34 |
| graphine | yes | 17:34 |
| pwr22 | Was that the same as ICQ? | 17:34 |
| graphine | the community was great | 17:34 |
| graphine | it was more like a suite | 17:34 |
| graphine | used to be an isp too here in germany | 17:34 |
| pwr22 | Yeah and in the UK too | 17:35 |
| graphine | icq wasnt bad but aol was nicer i did like the front end better | 17:35 |
| pwr22 | I think I first used the internet between 1998-2000 | 17:35 |
| pwr22 | Not sure exactly when | 17:35 |
| graphine | yeah could be | 17:35 |
| graphine | i dont recall it anymore too | 17:35 |
| graphine | fake percentage was pretty low | 17:35 |
| LjL | the community was great... at AOL? oh, such heresy | 17:36 |
| LjL | %wik Eternal September | 17:36 |
| graphine | people did not need an image they have been just themselves | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Eternal September or the September that never ended is Usenet slang for a period beginning in September 1993, the month that Internet service provider America Online (AOL) began offering Usenet access to its many users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums. [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September | 17:36 |
| pwr22 | I only really became aware of the concept of what the date was in 1997 lol | 17:36 |
| pwr22 | I remember suddenly being aware of it in a way I wasn't before | 17:36 |
| pwr22 | When general elections were going on (I was 6/7 at the time | 17:36 |
| graphine | i see | 17:36 |
| LjL | pwr22, that's the fall of the berlin wall for me | 17:37 |
| graphine | i was an adult and yes community was great on aol | 17:37 |
| graphine | lots of people to chat with and only a very little few of fake profiles | 17:38 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "pwr22, that's the fall of the be"> 89? That's when i was born | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Andrew Cuomo ha posticipato la sua conferenza stampa per non interrompere il discorso di Bernie Sanders , che si è appena ritirato come candidato per presidente. → https://is.gd/lfBMAC | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City coronavirus hospitalizations slowing, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 17:49 |
| Jigsy | %cases world | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1171 cases (now 1457046), +80 deaths (now 83719), +3063 recoveries (now 312881) since 48 minutes ago — Iran: +2773 recoveries (now 29812) since 48 minutes ago — US: +664 cases (now 404156), +55 deaths (now 12988) since 48 minutes ago | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, World, there are 1457046 cases, 83719 deaths (5.7% of cases), 312881 recoveries as of a minute ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 17:51 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-catastrophe-analysis/has-globalization-made-us-more-catastrophe-prone-idUSTRE53Q19020090427 interesting but superficial | 17:54 |
| mefistofeles | btw, from 2009 | 17:54 |
| mefistofeles | %t | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.reuters.com: Has globalization made us more catastrophe-prone? - Reuters | 17:54 |
| ecov | https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/7/gavin-newsom-crafting-coronavirus-stimulus-package/ | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: New York City needs to 'double down' on social distancing as coronavirus hospitalizations start to stabilize, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City has seen a slowing need for ventilators and a stabilized hospitalization rate for coronavirus cases, but the city should "double down" on efforts to suppress the pandemic, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/uAA0HB | 17:59 |
| VexToR | You are invited to attend a lecture and chat with Dr Gamme Martin @ irc.butt.es #GAMME | https://imgur.com/a/zrcoB8P | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6702 cases (now 1463748), +1105 deaths (now 84824), +141 recoveries (now 313022) since 18 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +5491 cases (now 60733), +938 deaths (now 7097) since 19 minutes ago — US: +811 cases (now 404967), +83 recoveries (now 21898) since 19 minutes ago | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City coronavirus hospitalizations slowing, US cases top 400,000 → https://is.gd/jpk8ei | 18:10 |
| pwr22 | New cases data in the UK looks promisingly like things are flattening out | 18:13 |
| pwr22 | LjL: is Italy still under full lockdown? | 18:13 |
| MacGeek | yes it is | 18:14 |
| pwr22 | Hmm, looks like we'll be looking at a month more at least then since Italy hasn't started to decline down the other side of the curve yet | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:13 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: PCM-DPC dati forniti dal Ministero della Salute AGGIORNAMENTO 08/04/2020 ORE 17.00 DIMESSI/ INCREMENTO CASI TOTAL (rispetto ol giorno precedente) 139.422 POSITIVI AL ncoV. Regione Ricoverati | Terapia | tsolamento| Te ene [con sintomi| intensiva stwualmente positivi Lombardia. | i719 | 1257 | [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hSlodm | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:17 UTC: /u/slakmehl: UK daily coronavirus death toll to surpass 900 for first time | World news | The Guardian → https://is.gd/Bkzr7I | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4773 cases (now 1468521), +590 deaths (now 85414), +3232 recoveries (now 316254) since 19 minutes ago — Italy: +3836 cases (now 139422), +542 deaths (now 17669), +2099 recoveries (now 26491) since 19 minutes ago — Switzerland: +459 cases (now 23248), +1096 recoveries (now 9800) since 19 minutes ago | 18:23 |
| LjL | pwr22 not sure does it count as full when I've never seen this many dogs being walked at any one time? Also a few people ignoring masks directive | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:21 UTC: Watch live: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak: On Tuesday, Cuomo announced that New York's death toll surged by 731, the biggest single-day jump in COVID-19 fatalities since the outbreak began a few months ago. → https://is.gd/B7eH18 | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | LjL: ah, maybe that's why it's not coming down further? | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | UK is going to have more deaths despite having literally weeks of opportunity to learn for you guys! | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:27 UTC: As Trump attacks, WHO warns against politicizing coronavirus if you don't want 'many more body bags': President Donald Trump criticized the international agency's response to the outbreak, saying the WHO "really called, I would say, every aspect of it wrong." → https://is.gd/MRaODA | 18:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 12,469 Americans died over the course of 1 year during the H1N1 flu pandemic in 2009. In just over 5 weeks, coronavirus has been linked to nearly 13,000 deaths in the U.S. (10012 votes) | https://redd.it/fwxben | 18:33 |
| aradesh | a lot of UK deaths in the last 24 hours... > 900 | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1420 cases (now 1469941), +64 deaths (now 85478), +228 recoveries (now 316482) since 20 minutes ago — US: +1413 cases (now 406693), +62 deaths (now 13089), +98 recoveries (now 22033) since 20 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1294 cases (now 16239), +60 deaths (now 310) since 20 minutes ago | 18:38 |
| LjL | pwr22: and we had literally weeks to learn from China. We just don't learn | 18:45 |
| LjL | pwr22: Milan mayor has asked for more police because he also thought he saw way too many people around | 18:46 |
| bin_bash | I rarely (read: never) agree with trump, but i actually agree the WHO bungled this shit from the start. | 18:46 |
| bin_bash | Trump certainly did no better. | 18:46 |
| pwr22 | WHO are useless | 18:47 |
| pwr22 | They're a joke, I'll no longer put any stock into anything they say | 18:48 |
| bin_bash | yep they lost any shred of credibility they may have had | 18:48 |
| synaps3 | pwr22, why ? | 18:50 |
| dividediff[m] | Could trump get impeached a 2nd time? | 18:50 |
| dividediff[m] | i agree with pwr22 | 18:51 |
| pwr22 | They appear to be nothing but pointless bureacracy | 18:51 |
| LjL | pwr22: Easter will also be a liability... If people are defying the lockdown now, imagine then. And there's been a few very warm days (must be 24C now, I had 23C at home at 6am) so I'm afraid we'll see some extent of a rebound in a week or so | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: New York → https://is.gd/w1vci0 | 18:51 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "Could trump get impeached a 2nd "> I believe so but during times of crisis people generally rally to their leader so if anything I think covid gives him a better chance of re-election | 18:52 |
| dividediff[m] | synaps3: i have a vid that i could share, tin whiskers and ublixs won't like it tho | 18:52 |
| synaps3 | pm | 18:52 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "pwr22: Easter will also be a lia"> Yeah getting hot here too | 18:52 |
| dividediff[m] | pwr22: Uhoh. i heard angela markel's approval rating has gone up. | 18:52 |
| LjL | Also I mean, people who are willing to go outside without wearing masks should just stay home... But goddamn is this mask uncomfortable with this temperature... And it's the one with a valve at that | 18:52 |
| dividediff[m] | synaps3: k, 1 sec | 18:53 |
| dividediff[m] | synaps3: sent | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:53 UTC: As Trump attacks, WHO warns against politicizing coronavirus if you don't want 'many more body bags': President Donald Trump criticized the international agency's response to the outbreak, saying the WHO "really called, I would say, every aspect of it wrong." → https://is.gd/MRaODA | 18:56 |
| dividediff[m] | pwr22: new hair cut from the looks of it? (i think) | 18:57 |
| L0NDONER | I wore N95 whilst out shopping manthose things are uncomftable | 18:57 |
| dividediff[m] | friend has been going out wearing an expired p100 | 18:59 |
| dividediff[m] | is there such a thting as air conditioned hazmat suits? | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Rishi Sunak says Boris Johnson is 'improving'; daily death toll rises by record of 938 → https://is.gd/JqqEZK | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Photos of Wuhan after 11-week lockdown → https://is.gd/9dMNFg | 19:07 |
| LjL | L0NDONER, yeah but not all N95s are created equal... this one has a one-way valve, meaning when you breathe OUT, it should open so that all the humidity isn't stuck inside. but it was still uncomfortable² | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5251 cases (now 1475192), +954 deaths (now 86432), +313 recoveries (now 316795) since 34 minutes ago — Turkey: +4117 cases (now 38226), +87 deaths (now 812), +264 recoveries (now 1846) since 34 minutes ago — US: +779 deaths (now 13868) since 34 minutes ago | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:09 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Update from New Jersey. → https://is.gd/aADwcH | 19:12 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "pwr22: new hair cut from the loo"> It's actually an old but different picture lol | 19:12 |
| pwr22 | My current haircut is a DIY thing I gave myself | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:15 UTC: /u/slakmehl: UK PM Johnson's condition improving as he fights COVID-19 in intensive care: minister - Reuters → https://is.gd/JMybJF | 19:17 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:17 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 139422 cases, 17669 deaths (12.7% of cases), 26491 recoveries as of 13 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:17 |
| LjL | hmm, new cases went up :\ | 19:18 |
| LjL | oh but we also did by far the most tests in one day | 19:18 |
| mefistofeles | yeah | 19:19 |
| mefistofeles | they can test now that they aren't so busy with saving lives, I guess | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4224 cases (now 1479416), +344 deaths (now 86776), +60 recoveries (now 316855) since 19 minutes ago — US: +4219 cases (now 410916), +342 deaths (now 14210) since 19 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +3021 cases (now 47437), +272 deaths (now 1504) since 19 minutes ago | 19:23 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: you could also see that with Wuhan, as far as I remember | 19:23 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, the deaths went down, Milan is going up but slower, recoveries (meaning de-hospitalizations) also spiked up, ICU use went down by nearly 100, i can see separately also that hospitalizations also went down, the % positive out of people tested is the lowest ever, so yeah i feel it's fair to say the positives spike is just an artifact of the testing, and things are actually improving | 19:25 |
| LjL | https://www.milanocam.it/Cadorna/ usually clearly shows it's rush hour for commuters in Milan | 19:27 |
| LjL | (train station on the left) | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:23 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Daily coronavirus fatalities rise for second day in a row in Spain, to 757 | Society | EL PAÍS in English → https://is.gd/OyJqEH | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Jamie Dupree su Twitter: "New York State is joining Nevada and Georgia in allowing all state residents to vote by mail in their state primary elections, because of the Coronavirus." → https://is.gd/tH1ywk | 19:33 |
| LjL | hmm i thought spain was also going down a bit :\ | 19:36 |
| LjL | %cases spain | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7169 cases (now 1486585), +547 deaths (now 87323), +2020 recoveries (now 318875) since 20 minutes ago — US: +7087 cases (now 418003), +103 recoveries (now 22184) since 20 minutes ago — New York, US: +6932 cases (now 149316) since 20 minutes ago | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 146690 cases, 14673 deaths (10.0% of cases), 48021 recoveries as of 2 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 19:36 |
| LjL | uh... by the graphs, it's not true fatalities are rising in spain | 19:38 |
| LjL | and they rose but *very* slightly (+4) yesterday | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:39 UTC: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo says state won't return to 'normal' as daily coronavirus deaths reach new high → https://is.gd/YmBlEY | 19:43 |
| rager | fatalities are definitely rising, still | 19:44 |
| rager | but the rate of fatalities seems to have leveled off | 19:44 |
| pyna | bernie dropped out. clearly the pandemic has shown that socialized medicine isn't important | 19:46 |
| rager | hm | 19:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:44 UTC: As Trump attacks, WHO warns against politicizing coronavirus if you don't want 'many more body bags': President Donald Trump criticized the international agency's response to the outbreak, saying the WHO "really called, I would say, every aspect of it wrong." → https://is.gd/MRaODA | 19:48 |
| mefistofeles | interesting dataset https://pages.semanticscholar.org/coronavirus-research | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3911 cases (now 1490496) since 19 minutes ago — France: +3881 cases (now 112950) since 19 minutes ago | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:53 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Note that Italy's jump in cases today was also coincident with a significant jump in tests. → https://is.gd/AEcqnZ | 19:58 |
| lf94 | We're on the cusp of people wanting things to go back to normal | 19:59 |
| lf94 | I think some insanity is going to start breaking out past easter weekend. | 19:59 |
| lf94 | There's gonna be a lot of arrests | 19:59 |
| lf94 | or fines | 19:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:00 UTC: ljl-covid: Add CORD-19 → https://is.gd/w5XYss | 20:03 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, ↑ | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1527 cases (now 1492023), +117 deaths (now 87441), +145 recoveries (now 319010) since 19 minutes ago — Germany: +781 cases (now 110483), +78 deaths (now 2183) since 19 minutes ago — Canada: +697 cases (now 19176), +141 recoveries (now 4474) since 19 minutes ago | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:03 UTC: ljl-covid: Add Il Segnalatore, with trend predictions for Italy → https://is.gd/4U7Gx3 | 20:09 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: haha nice!!! | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:09 UTC: As Trump attacks, WHO warns against politicizing coronavirus if you don't want 'many more body bags': President Donald Trump criticized the international agency's response to the outbreak, saying the WHO "really called, I would say, every aspect of it wrong." → https://is.gd/MRaODA | 20:14 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Oil Companies Are Collapsing Due to Coronavirus, but Wind and Solar Energy Keep Growing (10160 votes) | https://redd.it/fx526i | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:20 UTC: ljl-covid: Add Italy's open data (CC-BY 4.0) → https://is.gd/J0m5a6 | 20:23 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: btw, are there no more new press conferences? Or you just thought they are not worth live translating anymore? | 20:24 |
| L0NDONER | !covid usa | 20:24 |
| CoronaBot | USA: Global rank: #1, cases: 418,410 (+18,075), fatalities: 14,240 (+1,399), active cases: 381,986, total recovered: 22,184, in a serious condition: 9,224. Mortality: 3.40%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 1264.0, deaths/1M: 43.0. Case rate: 33,331/24h, death rate: 1,970/24h. Tests: 2,172,976, tests/1M: 6,565. | 20:24 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, i was just busy both yesterday and today (trip to doctor's and pharmacy today) | 20:25 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ok, sure, no problem | 20:26 |
| LjL | i guess i could still watch it now and transcribe it but somehow it's doing it live that lets me get over the "meh, can do later" laziness ;P | 20:26 |
| mefistofeles | haha yes, I get it | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:21 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global trade forecast to fall by up to a third as US sees highest one-day death toll → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 20:34 |
| elizabethblog[m] | Coronavirus vaccine may be ready in six months, say university researchers behind major trial | 20:38 |
| elizabethblog[m] | https://www.elizabethblog.com.ng/2020/04/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-ready-by.html | 20:38 |
| LjL | elizabethblog[m], are you a bot or are you doing this manually? i kicked you yesterday, i don't think it's okay to be your own blog's advertising bot, even if it's about COVID-19... | 20:39 |
| elizabethblog[m] | I am sorry | 20:41 |
| LjL | elizabethblog[m], ah, you live | 20:42 |
| elizabethblog[m] | yea i am so sorry for over posting here | 20:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: Conte, allentare regole fiscali o fine Ue - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/buzcCr | 20:45 |
| tinwhiskers | elizabethblog[m]: aside from all the errors, you don't link to the source of that claim that I can see. Got a link? | 20:45 |
| AimHere | Seems to be a straight copypaste from the Daily Mail | 20:47 |
| AimHere | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8200209/Coronavirus-vaccine-ready-SIX-MONTHS-Oxford-University-researchers-say.html | 20:47 |
| tinwhiskers | They didn't have the errors: "This 'best case scenario' is far ahead of was previously touted", "But the Oxford team, one in all hundreds worldwide" | 20:49 |
| elizabethblog[m] | yea i know tho i have lots of people who guest posts on my blog but i didnt notice its a copy paste | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1039 cases (now 1493062), +55 deaths (now 87496), +70 recoveries (now 319080) since 50 minutes ago — US: +407 cases (now 418451) since 50 minutes ago — Ohio, US: +366 cases (now 5148) since 50 minutes ago | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global trade forecast to fall by up to a third as US sees highest one-day death toll → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 20:56 |
| LjL | elizabethblog[m], okay... i'm going to ask not to post links from your blog again, sorry. | 20:56 |
| tinwhiskers | elizabethblog[m]: I think it's a bit dishonest to call that a blog when most of the material is just copied from news articles. | 20:58 |
| elizabethblog[m] | tho its not my fault............ its my guests ...... the error is going to be solved | 20:59 |
| LjL | elizabethblog[m], well, while i'm not a laywer, i believe those are copyright violations, and while it's none of my business (unless it's posted to my room), if newspapers find out about this, you may be in trouble. just so you know... | 21:02 |
| elizabethblog[m] | no problem tank u | 21:03 |
| rager | maybe revisit your policy on guest posting? | 21:05 |
| rager | what's stopping me from posting agitprop as news? | 21:05 |
| rager | seems pretty weak to hide behind "it was a guest poster" if it's your blog | 21:05 |
| rager | your blog, your fault | 21:06 |
| LjL | well, we know it's not being posted here anymore. beyond that, it's not my problem, i suspect papers know how to scan the web for plagiarism if they want to | 21:06 |
| Arsanerit | Why does The Netherlands have 4–6 times more COVID-19 deaths per capita than Germany? | 21:07 |
| LjL | why does Italy have like... much more than even that? | 21:08 |
| elizabethblog[m] | i will tell my guest about this ....... lets close the chapter and say something new | 21:08 |
| rager | lung scarring from all that dank weed? | 21:08 |
| rager | old population? | 21:08 |
| rager | at least, age is proferred for Italy's reason | 21:09 |
| LjL | testing is going to be the main thing making a difference imo, and secondly, ICU availability | 21:09 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Italy has insufficient intensive care capacity. | 21:09 |
| rager | could also be that there are threshold effects we're witnessing | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3551 cases (now 1496613), +138 deaths (now 87634) since 22 minutes ago — US: +1497 cases (now 419948), +115 deaths (now 14355) since 22 minutes ago — Peru: +1388 cases (now 4342) since 22 minutes ago | 21:09 |
| rager | there's one level of fatalities for "not overwhelmed" | 21:09 |
| Arsanerit | It also arrived in Italy earlier. | 21:09 |
| LjL | rager, age *was* preferred, but Germany has similarly-aged population, and now you have countries like Spain and the UK reaching very close to Italy's death rates | 21:09 |
| rager | and another for "oh fuck" | 21:09 |
| Arsanerit | But I haven't heard that Netherlands ICU have been overwhelmed. | 21:09 |
| rager | hm | 21:10 |
| rager | what we do know is that Germany's the EU's richest country more or less, right? | 21:10 |
| rager | could they just have better investments in domestic healthcare capacity? | 21:10 |
| LjL | not really, but richer than Italy or Spain for sure | 21:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Storge just pointed out that the IMHE model now covers places outside the USA. e.g. https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy | 21:10 |
| LjL | well, they sure seem to have a lot of hospital beds and ICUs | 21:10 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah thanks, someone told me that earlier, and i was surprised to hear Italy's total deaths predicted as ~20000, just like that UK article from yesterday... which i found strange, because, we are already at 18000, and even if the curve is slowing down, how can we possibly not pass 20k? | 21:11 |
| LjL | but then i didn't actually go check | 21:11 |
| Arsanerit | Germany isn't really richer than The Netherlands. | 21:13 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, that seems a bit optimistic to me, but i said the same about that model when it was just about US data. it's just my own guts feeling vs a solid mathematical model... but, also, when i checked it the first time it said some number for the US which i found optimistic, and when i checked it again a few days later, the prediction was already higher | 21:13 |
| rager | right | 21:14 |
| rager | that's where I started to get confused | 21:14 |
| Arsanerit | Germany is testing more, but that probably means the undetected cases are lower. | 21:14 |
| rager | could it be in the number of nurses per patient? | 21:14 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, no but the NL has nowhere near the amount of hospital beds Germany has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds | 21:14 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: surely | 21:14 |
| rager | number of patients per nurse per hour? | 21:14 |
| rager | or some other factor? | 21:14 |
| rager | so they're just working off the biggest denominator? | 21:14 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: It doesn't, but are people dying now due to lack of hospital beds? | 21:14 |
| Arsanerit | In The Netherlands, I mean. | 21:15 |
| storge | German researchers estimate world has identified only 6% of infections | 21:15 |
| storge | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079049/big-pool-coronavirus-cases-going-undetected-german-researchers | 21:15 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, going by https://covid19.healthdata.org/netherlands yes, at least ICU beds | 21:15 |
| rager | those links about italy suggest a severe shortage of icu beds | 21:15 |
| Arsanerit | :-/ | 21:15 |
| LjL | although the data there are old, most of it is a prediction even for days that already occurred | 21:15 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah, it seems optimistic to me as well. It predicts peaks for most places only a few weeks from now then declining to no deaths, with no indication of secondary outbreaks. Honesty in modeling? | 21:15 |
| storge | sadly Italy always had enough regular beds, but never had close to the required ICU bed resources, which is same problem in NYC and other places like Spain | 21:16 |
| LjL | https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany on the other hand is predicted to stay consistently below ICU capacity (although, does every ICU have a ventilator?) | 21:16 |
| rager | https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany | 21:16 |
| rager | compare to this one | 21:16 |
| storge | no, every ICU does not have a ventilator. | 21:16 |
| rager | where germany's kept heir projected need for icu beds way lower than their capacity | 21:16 |
| LjL | storge, if only we had had weeks of forewarning from some big country like China to build up more bed capacity... | 21:16 |
| storge | ventilators are mobile and get moved around frequently | 21:16 |
| storge | LjL: if only | 21:16 |
| dividediff[m] | pwr22: Is that... afrohair you have? | 21:17 |
| rager | is true, and they don't seem to chart vent capacity | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | I think a criteria for being counted as an ICU is that is has a ventilator | 21:17 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Are those "x needed" for today or for projected peak? | 21:17 |
| rager | when they start doing stuff like multiplexing ventilators, people die more | 21:17 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | how many of you are from new york city or surrounding area of? | 21:17 |
| rager | and when they run out of vents... they multiplex em | 21:17 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, peak | 21:17 |
| rager | you don't get the same ability for feedback when you put multiple people on vents | 21:17 |
| Arsanerit | ok | 21:17 |
| LjL | also, although these data are old: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Numbers-of-critical-care-beds-corrected-for-size-of-population-per-100-000-inhabitants_fig1_229013572 | 21:18 |
| LjL | the netherlands would be one of the EU countries with the *least* ICU beds available | 21:18 |
| LjL | much worse than italy | 21:18 |
| storge | you can move the slider left and right at IMHE estimates to see what resources use predicted on what day. but it's all modelling; i've seen them refine models over the last couple weeks, but they can't account for undetected clusters emerging | 21:18 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: so I have some screenshots of that model from a few days ago and should know in another few days if the peak estimation is close to the reality | 21:19 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: I see. But have people already been dying due to that? | 21:19 |
| dividediff[m] | Canadians: Let the Government know how COVID is impacting your life. This will help them figure out where to focus their efforts and allocate resources. | 21:19 |
| dividediff[m] | https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/survey/household/5311-COVID-19 | 21:19 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, heh, good, i didn't think of taking screenshots when i first saw it | 21:20 |
| storge | rager: the nurse in NYC we're in contact with told us nearly 2 weeks ago that NYC had ordered thousands of Go2Vent devices | 21:20 |
| storge | https://www.vortran.com/go2vent | 21:20 |
| storge | he sent us a picture of them training on one before the shipment arrived, i haven't heard from him in a week, i suspect he's very busy so i don't know the status or experience with those. | 21:21 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Interesting that those healthdata.org projections model that it's mostly over by June | 21:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: it doesn't attempt to model re-emergence so don't consider there isn't any | 21:24 |
| Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: ok, model limitations | 21:25 |
| Arsanerit | That makes sense. | 21:25 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, "over"... but not over, because second peak | 21:25 |
| LjL | there'll be a giant comet to watch, apparently. and we aren't allowed to go outside to watch it. cruel fate. | 21:25 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh. Cool. What's the comet? | 21:26 |
| LjL | uhm, i'll tell you | 21:27 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | these people all use drugs refuse to stop sneaking people into the rooms | 21:27 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | there dirty bad hygiene | 21:28 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | we have 4 security guards and 2 watchman on the entire staff | 21:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, "Atlas" | 21:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, https://apsari.com/comet-half-the-size-of-the-sun-will-light-up-the-night-sky-and-be-visible-with-naked-eye | 21:28 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks | 21:28 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | we are suppose to have 1 guard on for every 24 people at all times we currently have 64 people | 21:28 |
| AimHere | Half the size of the sun? | 21:29 |
| rager | ny department of health? | 21:29 |
| tinwhiskers | That'll be the corona of the comet, which is quite difuse | 21:29 |
| rager | ny department of labor? | 21:29 |
| LjL | AimHere, well i assume that's the size of the glow from particles | 21:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 19:15 UTC: Biz & IT: Pandemic hasn’t crushed broadband networks—even rural areas are doing ok → https://is.gd/SKPgem | 21:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Omg. Corona! | 21:30 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: you can go to your balcony if you have one | 21:30 |
| LjL | l4nd_53r[m], there are many situations like that at the moment i'm afraid... not sure what i can tell you | 21:30 |
| Arsanerit | or you can be lucky enough to live on a remote mountain farm | 21:30 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, i do but it's small and on a corner, so i'll have to see if the comet happens to be just in the right place | 21:30 |
| Arsanerit | German news reported that unemployment in Svalbard increased from 0% to 16%, but nobody reported with covid-19 there. | 21:30 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, nope i'm lucky enough to live in an apartment in central Milan in the middle of the outbreak :P | 21:30 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | <rager "ny department of labor?"> im going to try the department of health and labor first i wasnt sure where to sure really at first thank you for that input | 21:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Clearly this comet is predicting the Corona virus. It might just be a little bit late. | 21:31 |
| LjL | postdicting | 21:32 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: well, it's not Bergamo | 21:32 |
| rager | sounds bad | 21:32 |
| rager | I'm sorry that it's bad | 21:32 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, fair point | 21:32 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | this sucks im former service and have bin a slight prepper and when i went into security enforcment went above and beyond and i am well equipped for this but the majority of security officers across the island are not | 21:32 |
| Arsanerit | I passed through central Milan last December. | 21:32 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, virus might have already been around back then, according to some "experts" | 21:33 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | the homeless do not care they keep going out being close they will continue to spread this through the summer | 21:33 |
| LjL | that does seem likely | 21:33 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i got a bad bad bad flu the worst in my life yet in the end of december laster into january | 21:33 |
| LjL | l4nd_53r[m], you should probably get a flu shot in that line of work :\ | 21:34 |
| Arsanerit | I was sick with dry cough and fatigue early February, roughly 10 days after a birthday party to which some people had travelled from Switzerland and Lombardia. | 21:34 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Colorado girl who pioneered medical marijuana for seizures dies after battling coronavirus (10456 votes) | https://redd.it/fx7lfg | 21:34 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i do | 21:34 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i have to | 21:34 |
| Arsanerit | I am sick extremely rarely. | 21:34 |
| LjL | l4nd_53r[m], and you got it anyway? that can happen, but... did you have dry cough and/or shortness of breath? | 21:35 |
| Arsanerit | I had no fever or shortness of breath, and there were very few cases in Europe at the time, and I didn't hear of anyone else at the party getting sick, so I probably didn't have COVID-19. | 21:36 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, the vast majority do get a fever, if not at first, at some point at least | 21:36 |
| LjL | but... well, that's the vast majority of recognized cases | 21:37 |
| LjL | at some point we'll all get antibody tests i figure (wouldn't be holding my breath though) | 21:37 |
| Tobi[m] | %data Germany | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | Tobi[m]: In all areas, Germany, there are 110698 cases, 2192 deaths (2.0% of cases), 36081 recoveries as of 20 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 5.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 21:37 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i was hacking up quite a bit of stuff congested runny nose so thats why i dont think i caught covid | 21:37 |
| Arsanerit | I didn't measure myself, if I did have a fever it was very mild. | 21:37 |
| Tobi[m] | %data Scotland | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | Tobi[m]: Sorry, Scotland not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:37 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | and yea the flu shot is sorta pointless in the air force we had to get the shot and every year many people still got it | 21:37 |
| LjL | l4nd_53r[m], well... statistically it still helps, flu takes a lot of the workforce so even though it can't protect everybody, it makes a difference | 21:38 |
| Arsanerit | Berlin has had 600 reported cases and 0 reported deaths. | 21:38 |
| Arsanerit | That's for Central Berlin. | 21:39 |
| rager | supposedly, covid fever is not as high as flu fever | 21:39 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i mean yea it protects against the project strain to be most commonly caught and quickly spread for that season but your able to catch a large variety of uncommon ones | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Stanford researchers test 3,200 people for COVID-19 antibodies, in the first of this kind of test. Germany expects to begin testing 100,000 people in the "next few weeks" | 21:39 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: Munich announced last week these tests, but not sure | 21:40 |
| pwr22 | On years I don't get a flu jab I often get a bad chest for the entire winter months | 21:40 |
| tinwhiskers | (Stanford results expected next week I think) | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:37 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Washington Post su Twitter: "The true number of deaths among younger people is likely even higher. Not all states provide data on coronavirus deaths sorted by age group. https://t.co/NdminM51CV" → https://is.gd/DKOKPo | 21:41 |
| storge | tinwhiskers: San Miguel County Colorado (Telluride) is testing every single county resident for antibodies. since I live in the neighboring county, when they expand to it i'm going to try to get in on that testing since it's possible i've already had it. not going to get my hopes up, but it's possible. | 21:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Sweet. Any results yet? | 21:43 |
| storge | this is nearly a week old story | 21:43 |
| storge | https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/02/telluride-coronavirus-testing-uncovers-some-positive-results-but-also-more-uncertainty/ | 21:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks storge | 21:44 |
| storge | tinwhiskers: the press release from UBI/c19 from a couple weeks ago has more data than that story about the test, but that link i just gave has the latest updates i can find. my friends in Telluride don't know any more recent than those figures. 12% pop testing complete, 8 positives, many to go. | 21:45 |
| storge | it's been underway about 3 weeks, i thought it would go faster but i guess these things take time. | 21:45 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | my job sucks im the only person on post at my job im the only person in the facility till 530pm when the other guard comes in | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | So the tldr; less than 1% showed positive antibody tests. Do we know what percent of pcr tests have shown positives the pcr testing bias? | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | Erm | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | So we can compare to the pcr testing bias | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | storge: do you happen to have data on that county for number of pcr tests performed and number of positives? | 21:47 |
| storge | tinwhiskers: i don't. Telluride has no clinic or hospital there. this all started when State of Colorado Health targeted some communities around Colorado that they suspected had a lot of international travel but no means to really test easily (ski areas like Telluride) so last month the National Guard showed up in Telluride to conduct mass testing of 100 pre-selected individuals. the very next act of San Miguel County (the next day) was a total | 21:51 |
| storge | lockdown with civil and criminal penalties attached, so people feared a high case count, but it ended up being small. then UBI/c19 offered to perform free antibody testing on all residents. | 21:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I see. Ok | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:43 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: World Trade Organization avverte che la pandemia può risultare in una depressione economica forte , e dice di evitare protezionismo come negli anni 30. → https://is.gd/GdZ0hr | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2425 cases (now 1499038), +129 deaths (now 87763), +59 recoveries (now 319149) since 50 minutes ago — US: +2421 cases (now 422369), +108 deaths (now 14463) since 50 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +1529 cases (now 15078), +82 deaths (now 462) since 50 minutes ago | 21:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok, so taking San Miguel county, they have a population of 7967 and the pcr testing has revealed 10 cases (0.13%). The antibody tests have revealed 8 positives from 1000 people, or 0.8%. thus the antibody testing is dieing 6.3 times as many infected people as the pcr testing. Obviously caveats apply. | 21:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Erm "finding 6.3 times as many" | 22:00 |
| storge | they also found 23 that caused a noticeable reaction but nevertheless weren't called a firm positive. (the antibody testing) | 22:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, possibly early cases | 22:02 |
| storge | there is also the link that yuriwho posted in the other channel about today's antibody testing news... let me get it | 22:03 |
| tinwhiskers | sweet | 22:03 |
| storge | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/08/covid-19-antibody-update-for-april-8 | 22:03 |
| storge | there is a problem with the existing antibody tests in that some people show no antibodies but are clear/proven infected/cleared and immune. so we need a test regime that won't leave those immune people uncounted. | 22:04 |
| tinwhiskers | so we're still a few days away from first results. That'll certainly be interesting. | 22:04 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. I see | 22:04 |
| storge | the quicker we can all test this way, the faster we can resume something approaching a normal way of life. personally, i hope we all learn a big lesson from this and maybe we won't want to return to lives out of balance, but that's another topic. | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, being able to confirm people as clear to either assist on the front line or donate convalescent plasma will really start making a huge difference. the antibody tests are our most important way forward right now. | 22:06 |
| storge | personally i would go volunteer at the hospital if i knew i was cleared and wouldn't bring it home to our vulnerable child. | 22:06 |
| tinwhiskers | same | 22:06 |
| storge | i worked in hospital as a biomed | 22:06 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, nice | 22:07 |
| tinwhiskers | you could be contaminated and bring it home despite being immune though | 22:07 |
| tinwhiskers | you'd need to be very careful. bit risky. | 22:07 |
| storge | so i can picture it clearly, what this must be like. and while everyone talks about nurses and doctors and rightly so, less discussed are the housekeeping staff who keep a hospital clean and the biomeds who will have to touch every piece of kit attached to a COVID patient | 22:08 |
| storge | and if nurses and doctors are short on PPE, so too are housekeepers and biomeds | 22:08 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. if we had people who could do that work and not need to consume ppe that would be a huge benefit | 22:08 |
| storge | here at home we suspect we might have already had it, but there's no way to know | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global trade forecast to fall by up to a third as US sees highest one-day death toll → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 22:08 |
| storge | exactly | 22:08 |
| tinwhiskers | yep. | 22:08 |
| BruntLIVE | To avoid the car jackings, home invasions, Wal-Mart walk outs and parking lots robberies. Americans could start receiving stimulus checks starting on April 9. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/04/08/stimulus-money-hit-u-s-waves-some-arrives-april-15/2971312001/ | 22:12 |
| tinwhiskers | I watched the 2011 movie, contagion the other night. One striking thing was that we have a remarkable lack of looting and violence in reality compared to that depiction. | 22:15 |
| tinwhiskers | Without wanting to start a fight, I suspect that is in part due to the downplaying of the need for masks by the WHO and other similar messages. Their decisions have no been simple and aim to reduce panic among other competing needs. | 22:16 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: though aside from the looting things seem remarkably accurate 😁 | 22:17 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah :-) | 22:17 |
| tinwhiskers | but... bats don't carry chunks of fruit as shown in the closing explanatory scene. | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | perhaps they do, but I haven | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | 't seen that | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | so I couldn't claim it as a fact but they eat straight from the fruit then fly away. They don't rip chunks off. | 22:19 |
| tinwhiskers | they probably wanted to show a bustling meat market scene instead but were told they couldn't do that :-/ | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1687 cases (now 1500725), +95 deaths (now 87858), +52 recoveries (now 319201) since 37 minutes ago — Brazil: +1416 cases (now 15927), +80 deaths (now 800) since 37 minutes ago — US: +141 cases (now 422510) since 37 minutes ago | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 20:22 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: A Domani! → https://is.gd/rrkzVU | 22:25 |
| Raf[m] | The main difference is that the death rate in Contagion (2011) was significantly higher, the virus was a death sentence | 22:29 |
| tinwhiskers | fair | 22:32 |
| LjL | no the main difference is that the virus in Contagion was fictional | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1408 cases (now 1502133) since 20 minutes ago — Germany: +1081 cases (now 111779) since 20 minutes ago — US: +290 cases (now 422800) since 20 minutes ago | 22:39 |
| xrogaan | There are reports of usage of Rivotril in France's hospices in order to reduce the pain of the older and sick people. The side effect of Rivotril when administrated to a patient in respiratory distress, if I understand correctly, is death. | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | so very effective at reducing pain | 22:40 |
| LjL | uhm, i'll try to keep that in mind since i have a bottle of it right in front of me | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | o.O | 22:40 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, channel trolls sometimes require chemical help to deal with! | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: 400,000 cases confirmed in America as Cuomo says New York is flattening curve → https://is.gd/wi1jdj | 22:41 |
| ryouma | clonazepam? if you are already on it and get covid then what do you do? | 22:41 |
| xrogaan | In french: https://www.lemediatv.fr/emissions/ledito/covid-19-les-vieux-sacrifies-tuWrUye4RGiPuvodtIOkUw | 22:42 |
| LjL | ryouma, i suspect withdrawal will be the least of your issues | 22:42 |
| ryouma | so you just withdraw and then do not sleep for weeks? | 22:42 |
| graphine | hej | 22:43 |
| tinwhiskers | ".. .and overall, about 30% of the entire cohort failed to develop a high antibody titer (although they had similar disease progression before their recovery). This presumably means that other parts of the immune system played a greater role in clearing the virus, which is fine – except that those long-lasting antibodies and memory B cells are the key to staying immune." | 22:45 |
| ryouma | no mention of rivotril or clonazepam on that page | 22:46 |
| Biep[m] | <Arsanerit "Why does The Netherlands have 4–"> I think they are severely undercounting. Germany is trying to have the whole population tested; in the Netherlands people tend not to go to a doctor until the illness is grave. So many cases aren't counted. Add 100,000 to the number of cases, and 33,000 to the number of healed (the German percentage), and the figures suddenly look a lot more typical. | 22:47 |
| graphine | hi tinwhiskers | 22:47 |
| tinwhiskers | hey graphine | 22:48 |
| ryouma | why the entire population instead of a sample? | 22:48 |
| ryouma | and is it serology? | 22:48 |
| LjL | no, these are the official numbers being discussed so it's necessarily PCR under current testing guidelines | 22:48 |
| graphine | tD | 22:48 |
| graphine | has to shop groceries tonight | 22:48 |
| graphine | hope that i didnt catch anything | 22:49 |
| tinwhiskers | "Germany is trying to have the whole population tested" - this refers to the upcoming antibody testing I think. | 22:49 |
| graphine | really | 22:49 |
| graphine | i am in germany | 22:49 |
| tinwhiskers | graphine: I hope you decontaminated well! | 22:49 |
| graphine | as far as i can | 22:50 |
| ryouma | what do you do if you don ot have disinfectant | 22:50 |
| ryouma | you just have to let it sit for 4d i suppose | 22:50 |
| graphine | wash your hands like hell | 22:50 |
| tinwhiskers | soap | 22:50 |
| graphine | so do i | 22:50 |
| graphine | try to keep nails pretty short | 22:51 |
| tinwhiskers | soap is at least as effective as disinfectant, probably moreso depending on the disinfectant | 22:51 |
| tinwhiskers | soap rapidly destroys the lipid layer on the virus | 22:51 |
| graphine | plus it just how you say in english | 22:52 |
| graphine | glitch | 22:53 |
| graphine | the glitches | 22:53 |
| graphine | aw<y | 22:53 |
| tinwhiskers | but, yeah. If you're able to leave your non-perishable shopping items for 4-7 days before you need them even better | 22:53 |
| graphine | very important to change towels | 22:53 |
| graphine | and dry well | 22:53 |
| graphine | i will see i some days | 22:54 |
| graphine | if i will have at least symptoms if not doesnt mean anything except me not getting sick maybe | 22:54 |
| graphine | in two days more people in new york died than in whole germany so far | 22:54 |
| graphine | thats so sad | 22:55 |
| tinwhiskers | ouch | 22:55 |
| graphine | more than 1400 for the last two days i have heard | 22:55 |
| graphine | plus more that they arent aware of | 22:56 |
| graphine | at least they kept the number of people who have been in the store down to like 35 | 22:56 |
| graphine | that was all i can do. so my time windows there was a good choice during the day it was like that had to wait outside stand in line | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:53 UTC: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo says state won't return to 'normal' as daily coronavirus deaths reach new high → https://is.gd/YmBlEY | 22:58 |
| graphine | so do you put your bought stuff into quarantine tinwhiskers ? | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | graphine: you'd actually need the last 3 days of deaths in NY to be higher the the german total to date | 22:59 |
| graphine | oh did it increase | 22:59 |
| graphine | i thought we had like 1300 | 22:59 |
| L0NDONER | graphine: do you wear mas and gloves? | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | 2016 dead in germany to date | 22:59 |
| graphine | nope no mask | 22:59 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "pwr22: Is that... afrohair you h"> It's very curly | 22:59 |
| graphine | no gloves | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | make a fabric mask | 23:00 |
| L0NDONER | talking of vinyl gloves the amount I see strewn just in the street is shocking | 23:00 |
| pwr22 | Now it's short | 23:00 |
| graphine | do you think that will help those gloves | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | for sure | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | but if you use hand sanitiser while shopping and wash well when you get home it's probably not a great deal better. | 23:01 |
| tinwhiskers | gloves tend to stop you touching your face, which is a bonus | 23:01 |
| L0NDONER | why do people take the gloves off and just chuck them on the ground | 23:01 |
| graphine | i wonder if you do not realize the gloves | 23:01 |
| graphine | you can do make it even worse | 23:01 |
| tinwhiskers | how so? | 23:02 |
| graphine | like if you touch all the stuff | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | false sense of security? | 23:02 |
| graphine | and maybe get less careful with washing hands than | 23:02 |
| graphine | yes | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 23:02 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | gloves are great if u got them but a mask is more important to prevent talking interactions spreading it around sanitize and wash like tin said | 23:02 |
| L0NDONER | touch all the stuff then remove gloves graphine dont wear them all day | 23:03 |
| graphine | if you touch all your shopping with the gloves | 23:03 |
| graphine | pretty much the same | 23:03 |
| tinwhiskers | everyone should be wearing at least a fabric mask. They are very effective at stopping infected people from spreading droplets. "My mask protects you. Your mask protects me" | 23:03 |
| graphine | but it is okay your hint is appreciated | 23:03 |
| graphine | yes thats a good idea | 23:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Its incredibly rude to go around breathing and coughing on people if there is *any* chance you are infected. | 23:04 |
| L0NDONER | yea im more worried about trolleys and door handles and surfices not the actual shopping | 23:04 |
| tinwhiskers | and since you can't know you are not infected WEAR A MASK | 23:04 |
| graphine | in my spot of the town the trouble is more that people just care less for social distancing | 23:04 |
| graphine | the police should control more | 23:05 |
| graphine | and have serious and high fines | 23:05 |
| L0NDONER | graphine: our supermarket makes us wait outside 2m apart then once in the store the isles are so narrow you are literally brushing past people | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:02 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The COVID Tracking Project su Twitter: "Heading into our daily update, we wanted to take a look back at where we are with testing. CA did the first early testing. Then WA started pumping out tests. But NY now dominates. (Graphics by: @samirrayani and @tophtucker)… https://t.co/EZv9fuWuyy" → https://is.gd/MDzFD9 | 23:06 |
| graphine | here it was ĺike 2m | 23:06 |
| graphine | but the stupid idiots, sorry not all but some are too lazy to stay out of the way | 23:06 |
| L0NDONER | wear a mask | 23:06 |
| L0NDONER | tin yopu have that problem? | 23:07 |
| graphine | the more test you make the better but here they said that labs get shortage on some stuff | 23:07 |
| graphine | so i wonder how we in germany want to test all people | 23:08 |
| graphine | tinwhiskers, where do you have your counts of daed people in germany john hopkins? | 23:09 |
| tinwhiskers | there is a plan for 100,000 antibody tests due to begin in germany in the next few weeks. I'm not sure about the "all people" thing but I'm sure they *want* to do that | 23:09 |
| graphine | yes | 23:09 |
| graphine | thats their plan here | 23:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +23750 cases (now 1525883), +64 recoveries (now 319267) since 38 minutes ago — US: +23405 cases (now 446205) since 38 minutes ago — Nevada, US: +22418 cases (now 24634) since 38 minutes ago | 23:09 |
| tinwhiskers | graphine: yeah, that would be Johns Hopkins | 23:09 |
| graphine | to get the people who they assume to be immune to get to work | 23:10 |
| graphine | *back | 23:10 |
| graphine | i am following rki | 23:10 |
| aradesh | i constantly see people talking about how they're "saying people died with coronavirus when they really died of something else" is kind of annoying | 23:10 |
| aradesh | why all the denial? | 23:10 |
| NewYorkChris | exactly | 23:11 |
| NewYorkChris | aradesh, | 23:11 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | where in new york chris | 23:11 |
| tinwhiskers | aradesh: I see people saying the opposite too. some people just like to be contrary to the evidence = truthers | 23:11 |
| graphine | i stick to you tinwhiskers | 23:11 |
| aradesh | tinwhiskers: what does the evidence say? i'd imagine there have been a few cases, but in reality, its probably a fairly small percentage of false positives | 23:12 |
| graphine | if someone smashes ones head | 23:12 |
| LjL | aradesh, pfft, obviously if you had pimples and get coronavirus, the pre-existing inflammation is more likely go have caused your death | 23:12 |
| graphine | of what did you die | 23:12 |
| graphine | is a matter of proclamining | 23:12 |
| LjL | s/go/to/ | 23:12 |
| graphine | you can always say just heart stopped to beat | 23:12 |
| aradesh | i bet there are lots of cases not being counted too | 23:13 |
| graphine | so no one dies on corona or what | 23:13 |
| graphine | pfffff | 23:13 |
| L0NDONER | mate I just want this lockdown lifted.. follow the Taiwan stance | 23:13 |
| tinwhiskers | graphine: the medical professionals who make declarations of cause of death are pragmatic. They are not the fools that some people on irc cast them to be. If someone gets hit by a bus but tests for SARS-Cov-2 they will not attribute it to covid-19 | 23:13 |
| LjL | aradesh, i think the UKgov announced they're *now* going to release figures on people who died outside of a hospital | 23:13 |
| aradesh | yeah | 23:13 |
| graphine | yes i already say i stick to you tinwhiskers | 23:13 |
| aradesh | i mean, wtf? how have they not been counting them already? | 23:13 |
| graphine | here in germany they test | 23:13 |
| L0NDONER | WHO dont count for instance deaths in old people homes | 23:14 |
| LjL | aradesh, i don't know... i'm sure tons of them are not being counted here, but that's because they're also not being tested, so they aren't known positive at all. but the UKgov statement sounded like those would be *positive* people who die at home | 23:14 |
| L0NDONER | my mind is blown | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:08 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Guardian su Twitter: "NSW police raid Ruby Princess to seize evidence and question crew about coronavirus scandal | Australia news | The Guardian https://t.co/3l2Sfq2FBC" → https://is.gd/Y7HXGO | 23:14 |
| aradesh | i see | 23:14 |
| aradesh | L0NDONER: yeah that's weird | 23:14 |
| tinwhiskers | L0NDONER: that's a gray area - no pun intended :-) | 23:14 |
| aradesh | i mean, i can understand maybe it makes sense for their statistics | 23:14 |
| aradesh | but not counting it in general seems weird | 23:15 |
| graphine | ani know that tinwhiskers it was irony to the reponse of the others tin | 23:15 |
| aradesh | what is the taiwan stance?7 | 23:15 |
| graphine | its not for the statistics i guess it is important to leanr from it all | 23:15 |
| aradesh | L0NDONER: if we end the lockdown now, the spread will just go back to close to its fastest near-the-start spread rate again, but starting from a point of massively many more already infected | 23:16 |
| LjL | L0NDONER, does Taiwan have anything like your amount of cases? | 23:16 |
| graphine | do you use something like an app already | 23:17 |
| tinwhiskers | aradesh: massively many more already infected? I don't think so. | 23:17 |
| graphine | corona app with bluetooth | 23:17 |
| aradesh | tinwhiskers: i think you misunderstood what i meant | 23:17 |
| aradesh | tinwhiskers: if we remove lockdown, the spread rate will return to what it was prior to the lockdown, but from a point where the number of infected is currently much higher than it was back then | 23:17 |
| graphine | hej tinwhiskers you are right on rki site it is already 1.861 | 23:18 |
| L0NDONER | Taiwan handled this crisis and didnt bancrupt Their country they have people on every building firing a thermostate at your forehead any temp your instantly on lockdown | 23:18 |
| graphine | they update once a day i think | 23:19 |
| LjL | L0NDONER, yes, but i think the UK is well past the state where that is still a feasible form of controlling the spread | 23:19 |
| LjL | the things that work when you have less than 500 infected may not work when you have 50000 (and probably many more) | 23:19 |
| LjL | you can argue they should have done it when they could, sure, but we can't change the past | 23:20 |
| aradesh | my company has about 2000 staff, and they've been asking us to report on a survey whether we think we have coronavirus symptoms, and apparently only 30 of the staff have said they think they might have it, but no one is positively tested or had to go into hospital. even if 50% of infected are asymptomatic, that means 6% of the company has possibly got the disease (being generous) so you'd imagine no more | 23:20 |
| aradesh | than 6% of the country has had it based on that anecdotal evidence | 23:20 |
| tinwhiskers | aradesh: 55242 cases now. Assume maybe 10 times that of undiagnosed cases, so 552420 out of a population of 67 million means you're going into a new infected period with 0.8% already infected. Do you REALLY think that will make a big difference? | 23:20 |
| L0NDONER | Yea we are well past that... If we release the population now I'm hearing figures of 1.3 - 2 milliom deaths | 23:20 |
| aradesh | tinwhiskers: no, that is my point. | 23:20 |
| graphine | L0NDONER, here in my hometown official counts are about 10 people dead and 424 infected | 23:20 |
| mefistofeles | graphine: under tested | 23:20 |
| LjL | aradesh, i think there are theories (which i do not believe in, but they exist) that it's much more than 50% | 23:20 |
| zkulesza | quit | 23:21 |
| graphine | mefistofeles, i dont think so | 23:21 |
| graphine | we are a city and also a federal state | 23:21 |
| aradesh | tinwhiskers: i'm saying the same thing - the spread rate will be almost just as high, most likely, as it was back then. | 23:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh. right. My bad. | 23:22 |
| tinwhiskers | I agree | 23:22 |
| aradesh | even if as many as 10% of the population has had it | 23:22 |
| aradesh | that won't make much difference | 23:22 |
| mefistofeles | graphine: it screams under tested, the death rate is nowhere that high, specially if you are talking about Germany | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:18 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Today's 1,797 deaths in the US represent the second highest daily total after yesterday's 1,941. Still, any day without a new peak can be taken as at least modestly good news. → https://is.gd/SQOYDF | 23:22 |
| graphine | i already have some symptomes but had that before usually comes from my bad neck | 23:22 |
| aradesh | headaches? | 23:22 |
| L0NDONER | for future outbreaks can we take Taiwans model would that be feasable? | 23:22 |
| graphine | yes | 23:22 |
| LjL | aradesh, not for herd immunity, no, but you can have 10% of your work force (roughly, may not be that feature) back working, while keeping a lockdown on everyone else, which makes a difference to the economy | 23:23 |
| tinwhiskers | The modelling from the "honesty is modelling" paper showed that flattening the curve would still result in about 98% the same deaths as doing nothing once you get the second surge anyway. You're mostly just delaying the inevitable. | 23:23 |
| graphine | real bad headaches | 23:23 |
| aradesh | LjL: ah, what i mean is, if we just lifted all lockdown measures now, it wouldn't reduce the spread much | 23:23 |
| tinwhiskers | *honesty in modelling | 23:23 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: 99% I think, actually | 23:23 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: oh? | 23:23 |
| tinwhiskers | perhaps | 23:23 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: could you elaborate | 23:23 |
| mefistofeles | and this is known from previous epidemics as well | 23:23 |
| LjL | L0NDONER, i'd look more at Korea. Taiwan has contained it to such a small number that i'm not sure it can be extrapolated as "potentially working everywhere". Korea reached 7000 at the same time as Italy did, and i can assure you we were all freaking out at the scary exponential growth at that time | 23:23 |
| lf94 | What is the second wave? | 23:23 |
| LjL | aradesh, no, it wouldn't | 23:24 |
| graphine | did you read about that some people lose smell sensing | 23:24 |
| lf94 | yes | 23:24 |
| tinwhiskers | lf94: https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b | 23:24 |
| mefistofeles | graphine: yes, smell and taste | 23:24 |
| graphine | they say it an interesting symptome | 23:24 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: thanks | 23:24 |
| LjL | aradesh, it may give you time to create more ICU beds, but unless you had magical ICU building tools, they could never be enough to face a full walve | 23:24 |
| LjL | wave | 23:24 |
| graphine | because a tad different | 23:24 |
| graphine | from flu | 23:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Massachusetts, US: +1588 cases (now 16790), +77 deaths (now 433) since 22 minutes ago — Germany: +334 cases (now 112113) since 22 minutes ago — Spain: +134 cases (now 146824) since 22 minutes ago | 23:24 |
| LjL | %cases united states | 23:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 425673 cases, 14590 deaths (3.4% of cases), 22202 recoveries as of 8 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 23:25 |
| aradesh | i bet there are way way more cases in africa/india than we currently know about because of their lack of hospital facilities to properly test and such... | 23:25 |
| LjL | i get a bad feeling in my stomach when i think about that | 23:25 |
| aradesh | bangladesh, places like that | 23:25 |
| graphine | are you guys all in IT field as far as profession? | 23:25 |
| aradesh | where you get a lot of extremely densely populated areas | 23:25 |
| aradesh | graphine: i am | 23:26 |
| graphine | ok | 23:26 |
| graphine | thanks for your answer aradesh | 23:26 |
| NewYorkChris | Why did italy get hit so hard? | 23:26 |
| graphine | i am just curious because i am still new to irc | 23:26 |
| L0NDONER | graphine I'm delivery driver by day and volunteer to deliver food parcels and medicines late afternoon early evening | 23:27 |
| graphine | cool L0NDONER | 23:27 |
| LjL | there is a downward trends in many US states, as well as in Italy and other European countries... now, Italy, was about time, we've been locked down for weeks. but the rest, some of which have barely any real lockdown... could we actually be witness some temperature-related effect? | 23:27 |
| graphine | pretty important job | 23:27 |
| aradesh | LjL: these parts of the world are also places where people can't just self isolate, due to being so poor | 23:27 |
| LjL | aradesh, and doctors/nurses are being evicted from their homes due to fear by neighbors and landlords | 23:28 |
| LjL | be witnessing* | 23:28 |
| aradesh | LjL: hmm... but it doesn't really seem to care about the weather does it? texas, florida, have plenty of cases | 23:28 |
| aradesh | brazil is getting quite a lot | 23:28 |
| graphine | i think southern european or mediterranean people are maybe more heartly and not as distanced under normal regular situations NewYorkChris | 23:28 |
| L0NDONER | graphine I also donate Medicine San Frontier have done since Haiti | 23:29 |
| LjL | aradesh, it seems to weakly care about the weather. there is a paper that somewhat inconclusively says it cares to an extent, but probably not to "go away" like the flu does (although it doesn't) | 23:29 |
| graphine | so maybe they just have closer physcial contact like hugging kissing and all that | 23:29 |
| graphine | at least thats my idea | 23:29 |
| LjL | aradesh, but still, it could influence the curves, and perhaps make us think we are passing the peak, when we aren't | 23:29 |
| graphine | i see L0NDONER sounds pretty cool | 23:29 |
| LjL | aradesh, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.18.20036731v1 | 23:30 |
| graphine | i am unemployed but try to take of my old mom which can be work too sometimes | 23:30 |
| L0NDONER | LjL: yea uk thought that over last weekend we had reached a platue or numbers falling.... turned out figures wernt accurate | 23:30 |
| LjL | L0NDONER, Italy also seemed to go down up down up for a few days | 23:30 |
| LjL | now it's more of a clear downwards trend thankfully | 23:31 |
| aradesh | LjL: ah | 23:31 |
| aradesh | LjL: interesting | 23:31 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: wow. that article. wow. | 23:31 |
| graphine | here in germany we are lucky that they did not close as many hospitals as have been suggested by some "experts" | 23:31 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: I...have no words | 23:31 |
| lf94 | we're fucked | 23:32 |
| tinwhiskers | lf94: indeed :-) | 23:32 |
| lf94 | the economy is fucked so hard | 23:32 |
| graphine | they said 500 huge hospitals will be enough for whole germany | 23:32 |
| graphine | its always the money | 23:32 |
| tinwhiskers | nah, we're not fucked. We're doing well. The tide will turn in another month | 23:32 |
| graphine | people are more important than money | 23:32 |
| lf94 | people think the crash that happend a few weeks ago was something | 23:32 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: the tide will turn where? | 23:32 |
| graphine | economy will pretty much go down | 23:33 |
| graphine | if you have money you can get easily into some companies now | 23:33 |
| NewYorkChris | whos that guy from the BigShort? | 23:33 |
| graphine | i am poor so i do not have to worry< | 23:33 |
| lf94 | the autistic genius? | 23:33 |
| NewYorkChris | yes | 23:33 |
| lf94 | Michael Burry | 23:34 |
| NewYorkChris | yes | 23:34 |
| NewYorkChris | and Dave Ramsey also has good points | 23:34 |
| lf94 | (Played by Christian Bale (love that guy)) | 23:35 |
| lf94 | NewYorkChris: oh the Michael Burry guy said things? Like what? | 23:35 |
| tinwhiskers | in another month widespread antibody testing will be available. We will have people who can safely participate in the economy again and work on the front line. We will be at the end of the initial lockdowns and people will be easing back into limited participation. We will have established donor banks for convalescent plasma (already underway but needing the antibody tests). This will provide the first real treatment for the disease but | 23:36 |
| tinwhiskers | will will also likely start seeing results from the drug trials around this time too. We will not be locked down for 18 months awaiting a vaccine in my opinion. | 23:36 |
| graphine | https://eurobloodnet.eu/covid-19/ | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:33 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The US Testing plateau, which appeared last week at around 100k/day before being broken through over the weekend, appears to be back at ~140k tests/day. → https://is.gd/wZqQV9 | 23:39 |
| lf94 | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-07/michael-burry-slams-virus-lockdowns-in-controversial-tweetstorm | 23:39 |
| graphine | people in southern europe and especially in italy often have Glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) deficiency | 23:39 |
| graphine | that could be maybe a reason not sure | 23:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +1396 cases (now 148220), +107 deaths (now 14792) since 22 minutes ago — World: +1192 cases (now 1507100), +107 deaths (now 88117) since 22 minutes ago | 23:39 |
| graphine | protects somewhat against malaria and you have lots of medical stuff they cant give plus weak again some deseases | 23:40 |
| aradesh | my dad is convinced that flu vaccines have made people vulnerable to the coronavirus, and that there is a government conspiracy to cover this up | 23:41 |
| aradesh | he sends me email after email about how proud he is of his theory | 23:41 |
| aradesh | lol | 23:41 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 23:41 |
| aradesh | drives me mad | 23:41 |
| lf94 | lol | 23:42 |
| graphine | lol | 23:42 |
| graphine | government | 23:42 |
| graphine | nawww | 23:42 |
| L0NDONER | my dad sends me emails telling me a bloke shagged a bats ear and tried to hide the fact by coughing in everyones face | 23:42 |
| L0NDONER | bizare | 23:43 |
| graphine | isnt it always 5- to 7 of the rich people lol | 23:43 |
| jester | planes reduced no chemical contrals | 23:43 |
| jester | trails | 23:43 |
| graphine | i am not into conspiracy theories | 23:43 |
| aradesh | i think the isolating has been bad for my dad, without his normal things he does in daily life, i get the impression he has been drinking a lot more | 23:43 |
| aradesh | (he already has a mild drink problem) | 23:43 |
| jester | filter your water you will be good to go | 23:43 |
| L0NDONER | UK since lock down pollution markedly down and weather has turned fantastic... Contrails have a lot to answer for | 23:44 |
| graphine | maybe he should stick to water aradesh | 23:44 |
| aradesh | i sometimes get emails from him in the day that seem drunk, it's a bit worrying. | 23:44 |
| jester | moonshine kills germs | 23:44 |
| graphine | like showing off butt jester | 23:45 |
| graphine | lol | 23:45 |
| graphine | i ll try it on the balcony tonight | 23:45 |
| graphine | double moon shine than | 23:45 |
| jester | you to kill germs everywhere | 23:45 |
| L0NDONER | gonna make own ale | 23:46 |
| L0NDONER | I think | 23:46 |
| graphine | i think i need to call the police tonight | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:43 UTC: These charts show new coronavirus cases slowing in some states, while others brace for a possible surge: The slowdown in new coronavirus cases, even as death tolls rise, raises hopes that aggressive mitigation efforts like social distancing and closures of schools and businesses are working. → https://is.gd/REWLxi | 23:47 |
| graphine | one idiot neighbour places computer games whole night while shouting at his team mates via team speak | 23:47 |
| graphine | the other idiot stand up at 4 in the morning being noise | 23:48 |
| graphine | and he has no reason to stand up that lazy pic doesnt work for like 25 years now | 23:48 |
| graphine | cant people be at least a tad normal | 23:48 |
| graphine | or somewhat quiet | 23:48 |
| graphine | unhealthy sleep is bad for the immune defense if i read the right stuff | 23:49 |
| graphine | not only for that | 23:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:45 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn Jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news: Scott Morrison has described the government’s economic stimulus package in response to the coronavirus crisis as ‘the biggest economic lifeline in Australia’s history’. Follow live → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 23:55 |
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