libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2020-04-11

BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:49 UTC: (news): Global coronavirus deaths surge past 100,000, doubling in nearly a week → https://is.gd/XZyZ9100:00
graphinehej sternenmusik[m] 00:02
graphinewhere are you from00:02
graphinei would like some special food now lol00:03
graphinecultural radio without culture is weird lol00:04
CombatVetstimulus check is pending yo!00:04
CombatVetcheck yo bank00:04
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i would like some special food n"> 🐰... 😊00:04
graphinei guess i will have to rip the next aldi store00:05
ecovhopefully it helps some people00:05
ecov1200 aint much00:05
graphine1200?00:06
sternenmusik[m]graphine: Düsseldorf 00:06
graphineah längste theke der welt00:07
graphinethanks00:08
graphinesternenmusik[m], 00:08
BrainstormUpdates for World: +4700 cases (now 1693514), +204 deaths (now 102434), +100 recoveries (now 375310) since an hour ago — US: +3138 cases (now 498674), +82 deaths (now 18509) since an hour ago — New York, US: +1846 cases (now 172358) since an hour ago00:08
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "ah längste theke der welt"> Zumindest nicht weit weg. 00:09
graphineokay sternenmusik[m] nice handle sounds remembers me to kling klang studios00:09
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "okay sternenmusik nice handle so"> Hans Gunther Olesch...00:10
sternenmusik[m]So you guys get free cash on your bank Accounts??? 00:11
graphineno so far not00:12
graphinei am trying to cure myself with those little mustard thingies00:12
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 22:11 UTC: CoronavirusGLOBAL: Watch This Before You Compare Covid To The Flu → https://is.gd/kMZaq900:12
graphinelol just kidding 00:13
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i am trying to cure myself with "> Smart I have two different mustards, but Soja, protein powder and ginger is unavailable for 18 days already... 00:14
graphinei see00:15
graphinei just found them in the leavings of a glas of mix pickels00:16
graphinei will not waste anything now lol cant go shopping anymore00:16
sternenmusik[m]I run out of so many things, but its ok still... 00:17
graphinei see00:17
graphinei went for mom00:17
graphineshe cant live only from pasta00:17
graphinegirls00:17
term99%data ohio00:18
Brainstormterm99: In Ohio, US, there are 5878 cases, 231 deaths (3.9% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 16 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.00:18
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i just found them in the leaving"> ... 60 days and I am bankrupt anyhow. 00:18
graphinethere is always alg200:18
euod[m]my cupboards are weird due to things sort of being delivered. 00:18
euod[m]I have like 30 pounds of pasta sauce, but no pasta. 00:18
graphinelol00:18
graphinereally euod[m] 00:18
graphineman00:18
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "there is always alg2"> ... never used and my flat is quite expensive 00:19
euod[m]no joke. it was a mistaken order anyway. 00:19
graphinethey will nevertheless help you for some time sternenmusik[m] 00:19
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "they will nevertheless help you "> Yepp. 00:19
graphinepoor euod[m] 00:20
euod[m]thanks to stocking issues instacart delivered me 12L of milk, in tiny bottles. helpful to give to the people around me but I really didn't need it like that. 00:20
graphinei always have lots of pasta and pasta sauce00:20
graphinewhere are you euod[m] ?00:20
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i always have lots of pasta and "> I can offer beef 😂00:20
euod[m]graphine: america, hence instacart. 00:20
graphinei was out to shop yesterday00:21
graphinestill have 4 bottles of beer00:21
euod[m]food isn't really a problem so much as anything else. 00:21
graphineyes right00:22
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i was out to shop yesterday"> I didnt go, way too many people.... 00:22
graphineif you really sick you do not need that much food00:22
euod[m]the normal post service appears to be completely dead in the water. 00:22
euod[m]weirdly, ikea delivers just fine. 00:22
euod[m]so I can get a desk and a chair no problem. 00:22
graphinei see sternenmusik[m] i needed to shop for mom00:22
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3041 cases (now 1696555), +143 deaths (now 102577), +633 recoveries (now 375943) since 21 minutes ago — US: +1897 cases (now 500571), +104 deaths (now 18613), +417 recoveries (now 27239) since 21 minutes ago — Germany: +1126 cases (now 122171) since 21 minutes ago00:23
graphinei am too fat anyway00:23
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i see sternenmusik i needed to s"> My mom found alternative shopping method, but I will keep going for her to Supermarkt. 00:24
graphinedoes lidl still deliver?00:24
sternenmusik[m]No idea.00:25
graphinei have never been to düsseldorf00:25
graphinejust on the central station00:25
graphineat00:25
graphineon my way to münchengladbach00:26
graphinemönchengladbach00:27
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "i have never been to düsseldorf"> Where do you live? 00:31
l0ndonerAnyone involved in folding@home?00:31
sternenmusik[m]And you are infected? 00:31
graphinefreie hansestadt bremen00:31
graphinei am not sure 00:32
graphinemom is sick00:32
graphinewe will see00:32
l0ndonergraphine: whats your tempreture?00:32
graphinetemp is fine00:32
graphine36.3 to 37.500:32
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "36.3 to 37.5"> Like mine! 00:33
l0ndoner37.5 = you have virus00:33
graphinealready added plus 0.3 for meassure trouble mayve00:33
sternenmusik[m]<l0ndoner "37.5 = you have virus"> Bullshit. 00:33
graphinelol l0ndoner 00:33
l0ndonerok = your deaded00:33
graphinetomorrow i am more wise00:34
sternenmusik[m]I can tell that the people I know who had it were all three real sick. 00:35
graphinei see00:35
sternenmusik[m]Not hospitalized but real sick at home. 00:35
graphinei do know my body pretty well and i do not get easily sick00:35
sternenmusik[m]Like me. 00:36
graphinei had the real flu twice in my life00:36
graphineonce as a teenager for four weeks00:36
graphineand i think it was four years ago 00:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:24 UTC: Americans will have a coronavirus antibody test 'very soon,' Pence says: Vice President Mike Pence said on Friday that the United States is expected to have an antibody test "very soon" that will determine whether somebody has been exposed to the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ZcoEtI00:37
LjL<l0ndoner> 37.5 = you have virus ← which virus? i hope you don't mean SARS-COV-2 specifically00:37
graphineif i will get temps above 38 it usually gets real worse because i do not feaver easily00:37
graphineso tomorrow i know more00:38
sternenmusik[m]I think few years ago I had something similar, they couldnt hear my breathing at the doctor, still just sent me to bed and after few days I was fine again... 🤷🏻‍♂️00:38
graphinebody temps even go up by sports00:39
graphineall above 37.5 is only rated as higher temps at 38 feaver is starting00:39
graphinefever00:39
graphineas far as we learned00:39
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "if i will get temps above 38 it "> You'll get over it, but really be Patient and dont rush otherwise it damages the heart real quick and then you are fucked. 00:39
graphineyes i know i studied biology00:40
graphineyou can get viral spots in your body00:40
sternenmusik[m]Good 👍👌00:40
graphinethats can pretty much harm your circulation and heart00:40
graphinefever and sports is not good00:41
graphinesome people think so but it can be harmful00:41
graphinei also studied sports but thats years ago00:42
graphineat least i will have enough audio stuff to listen to00:43
sternenmusik[m]Yes, especially the sport junkies with their big hearts are at high risk but some of them feel immortal... 00:43
graphinei miss the public library00:43
graphinethose real sporty guys are often pretty easy to be injured00:44
sternenmusik[m]I have thousand books.... 00:44
graphinelike a porsche00:44
graphinedoesnt mean thats sports doesnt help00:45
graphinebut i guess sternenmusik[m] often it is the fact that those guys take a lot of steroids and pills and so too00:45
sternenmusik[m]True, Football players are injured all the time. 00:45
radar1976anyone from canada?00:45
sternenmusik[m]<graphine "but i guess sternenmusik often i"> True as well. 00:46
graphineone of the guys that studied together with me died because of that. it was on the local tv news. body builder and too much pills you know00:46
graphinei never took anything i do not like drugs00:47
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: WHO warns of 'deadly resurgence' if coronavirus controls lifted too soon → https://is.gd/5IOckY00:49
graphineharibo time00:49
BirossoThe way Matrix quotes messages is pissing me off!00:49
Birosso./rant00:49
graphinelol Birosso 00:50
LjLBirosso, and everyone else too00:50
graphineNOW I RECALL YOU ARE IN GERMANY00:50
LjLbut they aren't changing it, i'm pretty sure they've been asked00:50
graphineoops00:50
graphineoh yum00:50
LjLBirosso, you're in GERMANY?00:50
graphinethanks00:50
BirossoYaes.00:50
BirossoI am.00:50
BirossoCurrywurst.00:50
graphinelol LjL 00:51
BirossoWould you like to feel my Lederhosen for proof?00:51
BirossoWould that convince you, YOU PERVERT?00:51
graphineits Lederhose00:51
graphine:-p00:51
BirossoI wear several pairs at the same time.00:51
BirossoSo what?00:51
BirossoI'm... colourful that way.00:51
LjLBirosso, don't worry, you'll learn German over time00:51
BirossoI already have.00:52
BirossoIch habe einen Hund in meiner Hose.00:52
Peshohi to all00:52
graphinedang00:52
sternenmusik[m]... 😂 😂 😂 00:52
graphineawful translator 00:52
graphinehaha00:52
LjLBirosso, maybe you should get a COVID-19 test, that sounded a bit... pneumoniac00:53
BirossoGood one. Haha.00:53
LjLBirosso, just like a real German!00:53
BirossoWrong and stereotypical.00:53
graphinelol00:53
BirossoDisgusting.00:53
sternenmusik[m]Wie sagt man "verwirrt" auf englisch? 😂00:54
BirossoConfused.00:54
LjLconfused?00:54
graphinelol00:54
graphineman you talk better german than me00:54
LjLnow i can't remember what "confused" is in swedish. swedish and german always shared the same slot in my brain. damn.00:55
graphinei better ask mom if i am seriously her son00:55
graphinejag talar lite svenska00:55
LjLvi kan gå till ##language allihopa00:56
sternenmusik[m]... ok guys,... talk to you soon, looks like I found a new home,... aber was ist jetzt eigentlich mit Corona? 😊00:56
graphineusually it takes up most space here sternenmusik[m] 00:57
graphinetonight seems to be a different day00:57
graphinenow i coughed 00:57
sternenmusik[m]Looks like we blocked it for a while, WHO should get in touch... 😉00:58
Birosso%cases 00:58
BrainstormBirosso: In all areas, World, there are 1697415 cases, 102629 deaths (6.0% of cases), 375947 recoveries as of 16 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.00:58
LjLtrue, WHO has also been very good at "blocking in for a while"00:58
BirossoWhy are you +O?00:58
graphinesay where do you have the commands?00:58
graphinedang00:59
LjLbin_bash, du fragst, ich antworte00:59
BirossoMods are gods!00:59
LjLerr00:59
LjLBirosso!00:59
BirossoWitness the abuse!00:59
graphinelol00:59
graphinewas weird01:00
graphineman LjL how many languages do you speak=01:00
LjLabout 1.501:00
graphinei do only speak german01:00
graphineat least i think so01:00
LjLi only speak italian, write english, and have vague notions of another dozen things01:00
graphinei like your style LjL 01:01
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: LA County extends stay-at-home order, $30 billion in aid sent to hospitals → https://is.gd/LrJAJY01:01
graphineholy crap 980 dead people in the uk today01:02
graphinethat sucks01:02
LjLyeah, France not going great either01:02
LjLItaly doing "meh", which seems about right01:03
graphineok01:03
Birosso%cases germany01:03
BrainstormBirosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 122171 cases, 2767 deaths (2.3% of cases), 53913 recoveries as of 21 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).01:03
BirossoOof.01:03
graphineyeah but we are like 80 millions01:04
graphineplus some germans are real assholes!01:04
Jigsy%cases uk01:05
BrainstormJigsy: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 73758 cases, 8958 deaths (12.1% of cases), 344 recoveries as of a minute ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.01:05
LjLgraphine, more like 100 million iirc01:06
LjL%wa population of germany01:06
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Germany | population): Result: 82.1 million people (world rank: 16th) (2017 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+germany01:06
LjLand yeah, i still need to add the population figures to the bot ;(01:06
LjLhmm i don't know where i remembered 100 from. maybe total of german speakers in europe01:06
graphine100 million germans?01:06
LjLgraphine, 80 million is more than enough, you say?01:06
graphineJA!01:07
graphineto big to fail doesnt match germans if you become to big we start those bullshit like we did twice01:07
graphineyou know01:07
LjLi have heard of it01:08
graphinewasnt the italians in the boat with us lol01:08
graphinecant remember that 01:09
graphinehaha01:09
LjLwe switched sides at the last minute, it's alright01:09
graphinelol01:09
Birrossogarphine: There are assholes everywhere. Niedersachsen has fewer assholes than other countries I've been to.01:09
BirrossoDon't want to generalise over all states, though.01:09
graphinelol01:10
graphinelower saxony is also somewhat big01:10
graphinewe are surrounded all by lower saxony01:10
BirossoPersonal space makes people happier.01:10
LjLBirosso, should i add percentage of assholes to the bot as well as population figures?01:10
graphinehell yea LjL 01:11
BirossoAssholery isn't so easy to measure. :/01:11
BirossoDifferent standards.01:11
graphineyou get it with your birth cert in germany01:11
graphine:-p01:11
Birossographine, if I may ask, which state are you in?01:12
LjLBirosso, i'll just write the code, you can provide the figures. i trust your expertise on the subject.01:12
graphinefreie hansestadt bremen01:12
LjLBirosso, he already said01:12
LjL<graphine> we are surrounded all by lower saxony01:12
LjLcan you take a clue?!01:12
graphinebremen state01:12
BirossoI can't, no.01:12
BirossoOh, Bremen.01:12
graphineja01:13
graphineYes Sir01:13
BirossoIs it... crowded there?01:13
BirossoNever been.01:13
BrainstormNew from The Lancet at 00:00 UTC: [Perspectives] Bills of Mortality: tracking disease in early modern London: In a plague year, the numbers are the narrative. “The Bill of Mortality, to all our griefs, is encreased 399 this week, and the encrease general through the whole city and suburbs, which makes us all sad”, noted Londoner Samuel Pepys on Nov [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/lUZUqZ01:13
BirossoWas offered work there once but couldn't go at the time.01:13
graphine523.000 inhabs i guess01:13
BirossoYes, but the population density.01:13
graphineoh01:14
LjL%wa population density in bremen01:14
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Bremen, Bremen | population density): Result: (data not available) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+in+bremen01:14
graphineno that much01:14
Birosso1625 per km^2 according to europa.eu.01:14
LjL%wa stupidity of wolfram alpha01:14
graphine40 km long01:14
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (stupidity (English word)): Definitions: 1 | noun | a poor ability to understand or to profit from experience 2 | noun | a stupid mistake → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=stupidity+of+wolfram+alpha01:14
BirossoIn my town it's 325 :D01:14
graphinelots of green areas01:14
LjLwhat do i care about green areas? it's forbidden to go there now!01:14
graphinelol01:14
graphinei tried to explain that in the middle that might count01:15
graphinewe still have some parts of the town with only two story houses01:15
ubLIXLjL: Brainstorm's Lancet link above goes to "page does not exist". any pointers?01:16
graphinei guess wikipedia has the data01:16
LjLubLIX, works for me01:16
LjLubLIX, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30725-X/fulltext01:16
ubLIXratfink browser01:16
graphinei see Birosso 01:16
graphineis that much? Birosso 01:17
ubLIXsame again, LjL 01:17
BirossoNeither is much compared to many places in the world.01:18
graphinethere are still some places i use to use to walk into downtown direction where you rarely meet any people in times with no corona01:19
LjLthis thing must be kidding me01:19
ubLIXwow. no javascript = page does not exist - what an asshat move01:19
graphinethats why i said we have lots of parks and green areas because they count them as well when they middle it and that makes the spots where people live even more crowded in real01:20
LjLubLIX, https://archive.is/GOl0n01:20
LjLalso https://web.archive.org/web/20200410231957/https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30725-X/fulltext01:20
ubLIXjust turned on the js in the end01:20
graphinelike what jobs do you get offered Birosso 01:21
LjLubLIX, isn't what you always end up doing, just after about a 20 minute struggle01:21
Birossographine: I'm a student. Supposed to be finishing up by now, but... Corona. I had applied to work at Daimler for two months during one exams phase.01:21
ubLIXgenerally not, LjL, no01:22
BirossoBut the time frame they offered wasn't suitable in the end.01:22
graphineoh okay01:23
graphinelike stand in line?01:24
graphineor as a student01:24
graphinewhat do you study?01:24
graphinehigh unemployment here anyway01:24
BirossoMechanical engineering.01:25
graphineoh ok01:25
graphinei am one of the unemployed lol01:25
BirossoI have 142 credit points out of 180.01:25
BirossoAll I have left to do is one exam, my thesis, and an internship.01:25
BirossoWas going to do an internship at Schaeffler.01:25
BirossoBUT CORONA!01:25
BirossoTHANKS!01:25
graphinei wish you all the best with that Birosso 01:26
graphinehope you will never ever be unemployed01:26
graphine;-)01:26
BirossoThanks, but I'm not sure anything will come of that. Car manufacturers were already not doing well in Germany. Now with Corona it's even worse.01:26
BirossoApplied at Bosch instead.01:26
graphinein stuttgart01:27
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: 3M sues distributor for alleged price gouging of N95 respirators in New York (10116 votes) | https://redd.it/fyjj2n01:27
BirossoWhat's in Stuttgart?01:27
graphinebosch01:27
BirossoOh, you didn't put a question mark there.01:27
BirossoNo, in Baden.01:27
graphineoki01:27
graphinei have been working in stuttgart years ago01:27
graphinewasnt bad there01:28
BirossoWhat line of work?01:28
graphinei used to be a network admin01:29
graphineor technician however you want to call it01:29
BirossoWhy did you stop?01:29
graphinethat i do not know they never wanted me again01:29
graphinei am not good in making much noise01:29
BirossoMmmm, unfortunate.01:30
graphinei cant help01:30
LjLthe good thing about talking about offtopic stuff is that it ends up being about CORONA again very quickly, without any need for op intervention01:30
LjLeasiest channel i've ever opped01:30
graphinefrom my marks and from what people said about me i was quiet a good technician and admin but 01:31
graphinei do not think that i will ever be again like that01:31
graphinewho cares01:31
graphinei like this better here you know01:32
graphinei do not like all the crap like facebook and so on with like putting my pictures everywhere01:32
mefistofelesgraphine: +101:32
graphinetoday it seems to be important like that you can read about you everywhere01:33
BirossoAs long as you're comfortable and doing *something* you like.01:33
graphinewhen i took my class at tech school it was so much different01:33
graphinei mean look here in the channels people talk about all they use in their companies01:33
graphinei mean why dont they just put in the password here right away01:34
LjLsome of them do, after enough social engineering01:34
graphineyes LjL 01:35
graphineexactly01:35
graphineyou put in your data in xing and everywhere01:35
graphinethank i phone somewhere01:35
graphineand say01:35
graphineoh my name is michael whatever01:35
graphinethan they do checkups like01:35
graphinewhere born wehn born01:35
graphinebla bla 01:36
graphinedo that01:36
graphinenot my name01:36
LjL:P01:36
bin_bashgraphine: you mena why are opeople dumb? it's been a question for the ages01:36
graphinehaha01:36
BirossoAs someone trying to start a career soon, I'm also bothered by this.01:36
LjLbe easy on the Enter key by the way, please01:36
BirossoI don't want to use stuff like LinkedIN and Xing.01:36
BirossoAnd I don't.01:36
BirossoBut I might be missing out on something by not doing so.01:36
mefistofelesI actually just read a headline saying "Why you should have a LinkedIn profile"01:37
graphineyes its a weird decision01:37
mefistofelesscrew that01:37
bin_bashyou don't need linkedin if you have connections01:37
LjLBirosso, yes, but also you can be better enough than others that you'll be that one person who manages to get hired to important jobs *without* being on linkedin. and then they'll talk about you even more, and make a fake linkedin account for you.01:37
mefistofelesbin_bash: you shouldn't need either01:37
graphineif you are young you often do not have that much connectios bin_bash 01:37
BirossoLjL: O.o01:37
Birossoo.O01:37
bin_bashgraphine: yeah that's why people make linkedin accounts. 01:37
graphineit should be like they take you if you are good01:37
bin_bashbut i agree, it's dumb01:38
Birossobin_bash: I don't have any connections. I can only hope to impress.01:38
graphinenot because you have connections01:38
BirossoBut in order to get in in the first place...01:38
mefistofelesbin_bash: you are pretty young, you seem01:38
LjLBirosso, let me guess: Corona?01:38
mefistofelessorry, Birosso ↑01:38
bin_bashthanks, i guess01:38
graphinebut today all that counts is make much noise and air like a vent01:38
mefistofelesbin_bash: not you, you old f...01:38
mefistofelesxD01:38
graphineand after that lol call the real good guys01:38
graphinehaha01:38
BirossoI am not that young. It took me a long time to (nearly) get my degree. I'm 25.01:38
graphinelol01:39
graphine25 is not young01:39
graphinekicks Birossos butt01:39
bin_bashmefistofeles: lolol01:39
graphine:-)01:39
mefistofelesI mean, IRC people are probably talented underpaed (or jobless) people :P01:39
mefistofelesunderpaid*01:39
BirossoAren't most people on the planet underpaid?01:39
mefistofelesand we commonly don't do that scoial networking thing01:39
graphinemefistofeles, 01:40
graphinewhat is this here01:40
BirossoAn IRC channel to talk about Corona virus, and sometimes we go a bit off-topic, graphine?01:40
graphinei am not an irc guys but i guess more people in this can say that some here are a least close to somewhat a friend even if it is only virtual01:41
graphinebut those facebook friendship or like on youtube01:41
BirossoI don't consider any of you friends. I don't trust you.01:41
graphinethose are hillarious01:41
graphinei dont consider anyone here a friend01:41
BirossoHey, that hurts... man.01:41
graphinei am only here since 3 or 4 days01:41
BirossoOh, okay. That's reasonable.01:41
mefistofelesyou are also german01:42
mefistofeles:P01:42
mefistofelesbut yeah, I get it01:42
graphinebut i guess some people here are really nice01:42
BirossoI am not German.01:42
BirossoI am *in* Germany.01:42
mefistofelesbin_bash: me too01:42
BirossoOr were you talking to graphine?01:42
mefistofelesoh fuck that tab01:42
graphinelol mefistofeles 01:42
mefistofelesBirosso: me too01:42
LjLmefistofeles, i already highlighted bin/bash by mistake earlier, now they'll be starting to get upset :P01:42
BirossoLet's all bully bin_bash.01:43
Birossobin_bash:01:43
graphinethis is one of the channels that is at least somewhat busy01:43
LjLBirosso, i see you want another kick01:43
mefistofelesfunny, it nows autocompletes to Birosso 01:43
mefistofelesxD01:43
BirossoLjL: I'm a masochist through and through.01:44
BirossoI love kicks.01:44
mefistofelesI guess it uses the last one I used first?01:44
mefistofelesyeah, probably that01:44
graphinedoes someone of you have a blog=01:44
graphine?01:44
mefistofelesgraphine: I have something... 01:44
mefistofelesbut not posted anything for years now01:44
LjLBirosso, okay then no kicking for you01:44
graphinedo you usually use wordpress?01:45
mefistofelesthough I have written posts, I'm just too lazy to properly post them, I also want to change the framework/tool I use01:45
graphinei start to learn to sketch that analog way and now i got a digital wacom sketching tablet and i wonder if i will put something on the internet01:46
graphineand in which way01:46
graphinei am not the type of guy that likes to show off on youtube01:46
mefistofelesgraphine: no, I was using nikola (I think)01:46
mefistofeleswith jupyter notebooks01:46
mefistofelesbut that's kinda annoying01:46
graphinei see01:46
mefistofelesnow I want to use hugo01:47
mefistofeleswith "Plain" markdown01:47
mefistofeles*plan01:47
mefistofelesoh ffs01:47
mefistofelesplain*01:47
graphinethe trouble with lots of youtube channels is that they do not really teach anything anymore01:47
graphinemost is only commercial and product placement01:47
Dan[m]1/msg CoronaBot !cases USA01:47
mefistofelesDan[m]1: it's !corona instead of "cases01:48
LjLDan[m]1, i don't think /msg is a command in Matrix01:48
mefistofelesman this lag :/01:48
graphinethanks for that info mefistofeles 01:48
l0ndoner!convid01:48
LjLDan[m]1, but i don't know how it's done in Riot, other than just clicking on its nickname and telling it to open a message window...01:48
graphinei tired to watch some videos about digital drawing on youtube but now they start to put their own commercials right into their own videos / content01:49
Dan[m]1LjL: thanks, between work I’ve been trying to learn matrix, at least enough to be somewhat proficient...01:49
Dan[m]1LjL: I meant riot...01:50
mefistofelesgraphine: yeah, that's annoying01:50
graphineyes mefistofeles plus not even nice or so they just read it down lol like a bla bla bla lol01:51
graphinethe last girl / lady i saw was titled hw to draw digitally and she was only talking like hell about the thing like you know how great it is PRODUCT PLACEMENT and without any real advice in how to do it01:52
ubLIXsince adblockers cut adds even from youtube streams, they have no where else to go i guess01:53
graphinei take this brush and bla bla not why take this brush pros cons nothing01:53
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1871 cases (now 1698426), +117 deaths (now 102694), +152 recoveries (now 376095) since an hour ago — US: +1250 cases (now 501821), +82 deaths (now 18695) since an hour ago — Washington, US: +392 cases (now 10132) since an hour ago01:53
graphineare there any other sites with good howtos that are not youtube?01:53
ubLIXyoutube takes sturgeon's law and turns it into five nines01:54
LjLubLIX, next step: blocking fast forwarding when you're in an "ad part" of a video01:54
LjL(not a huge leap, any dvd player does that)01:54
graphinelol01:54
ubLIXnext counter step: never ever watch a stream live; always process it first01:55
graphinedoes the regular you tube user really watch those videos?01:55
graphineoh there is you only live twice on the radio01:56
graphinenice soundtrack01:56
Dan[m]1Brainstorm: !convid Washington01:57
LjL%cases Washington01:57
BrainstormLjL: In Washington, US, there are 10132 cases, 482 deaths (4.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 10 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.01:57
graphinei tried to draw an easter rabbit today01:57
graphinenot that easy01:58
ubLIXcheerful view of the day: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=471901:59
graphineso you guys except the students are doing home office now01:59
graphineor did you do even before corona01:59
ubLIX*not01:59
mefistofelesI'm home studying :P01:59
graphinemakes two students01:59
mefistofelesactually, it's much more interesting02:00
mefistofelesI'm home studying abroad02:00
mefistofeles;)02:00
graphinewhy is this irc still so popular02:00
graphinegeeky nerdy?02:00
mefistofelesbasicall02:00
mefistofelesI like that you don't have that rush of answering things that you get in most others02:01
graphinebut lots are just watching right02:01
mefistofelesyou atually get to discuss things and analyze stuff02:01
mefistofelesyes, lots of idlers02:01
graphineso parted into exhibitionist and stalkers02:01
graphinelol02:01
Dan[m]1Yep, I watch a lot...02:01
LjLubLIX, i like the psychiatrist part02:02
graphinein trenchcoat ready to .., 02:02
graphinelol02:02
graphinefor me its boring02:03
Dan[m]1I just figured out irc was still around about a year ago... I use to be big into it in the late 90’s...02:03
graphinei like the real life better than the virtual one02:03
graphinesorry i mean boring as in corona times not here with you02:03
graphinei miss to go outside sit in a cafe visit the public library02:04
mefistofelesI *really+ miss riding mountain bike and drumming :(02:04
LjLubLIX, but how could an election held exclusively by mail, with presumably a mostly locked down country, *not* be a sham anyway? also, this is uplifting, at least the fact this feels like the EU is de facto dissolving feels less bad if it's feeling the same in the US, about the US02:05
graphineriding mountbike isnt that still possible02:05
mefistofelesgraphine: yes, if I had mine close, it's in another country xD02:05
graphineoh02:05
Dan[m]1Yea I still get to go out, although have to be masked... I’m one of the essential jobs...02:05
graphinewhat job is it02:06
mefistofelesand I was going to get/buy one here, but yes, can't do with all of this02:06
graphinei see mefistofeles 02:06
graphinemy bikes are all broken02:06
graphinedont have the tools to repair them02:06
ubLIXLjL: I think the general idea is that postal voting is terrible for the Republicans02:07
graphinewhat do your g/fs b/fs partners whatever you call em do if you are online all the time= the same?02:08
graphineyou cant be all single02:08
Dan[m]1I’m a welder by trade, we’re rebuilding a big ship... Here in the US plenty of people are going out and getting some fresh air albeit 6ft separation for the most part...02:08
graphinecool Dan[m]1 02:09
graphinea big ship hmm02:09
graphinethe united states?02:09
graphineits a shame that it will maybe not rescued it was a wonderful huge ship the united states02:10
LjLubLIX, unless they rig it, which sounds easy when you are just short of martial law and people are voting by mail02:11
ubLIXO say can you see...02:12
LjLwell it's pretty dark here right now02:12
LjLbut yeah my rods are functioning02:12
graphinedo you like roald dahl?02:14
ecovi dont think there is a worse candidate to run against trump than biden02:15
ecovits incredibly sad02:15
graphinepoor ecov 02:15
ecov:(02:16
graphinejoe biden02:16
graphinehe is a tad boring02:16
ecovnot entirely lucid it seems02:17
graphinearent all those vice presidents have always been a tad of boring02:17
ecovboring is completely fine with me02:17
ecovboring isnt the word to describe biden 02:17
graphinethe only one accidentally hit the top02:17
ryoumaare the democrats trying to win or not02:17
graphinewas gerald ford02:17
graphinebut only because of nixon02:18
ryoumai mean idk current politics but are they putting electability as top priority02:18
ecovif by "the democrats" you mean the DNC, no02:18
ryoumawhat are they aimning at then02:18
graphineyes right ecov 02:18
graphinei didnt take the right english expression02:18
graphinei mean dont you have to be a tad more convincing like shiny to win elections in the usa02:19
graphine?02:19
graphinei do not think that biden is a bad choice he seems good but not like sorry i could explain it better in german02:19
ryoumawhat do you foresee for usa and eu?02:21
graphineas in?02:21
ubLIXgraphine: you just don't know enough about Biden then02:22
Akash[m]%data india02:22
BrainstormAkash[m]: In all areas, India, there are 7600 cases, 249 deaths (3.3% of cases), 774 recoveries as of 5 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.02:22
graphineubLIX, your president never been like expected so are presidents in usual02:23
graphineeverywhere02:23
phil_https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa200701602:23
AlbrightThe XFL, the new spring (American) football league whose season was cut short by the pandemic, is laying off staff and may not come back next year. Damn it. Their games were great.02:23
LjL%title02:23
BrainstormLjL: From www.nejm.org: Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for Patients with Severe Covid-19 | NEJM02:23
ubLIXgraphine: i'm not from the US but even so i'm not sure "they are usually weird, so anything goes" is a good paradigm02:24
graphinepeople voted for trump02:24
graphinenothing more to add02:25
graphinenow what else can you say about the right candidate02:25
LjLubLIX, i believe what happened here is that many people believed Sanders couldn't possibly win against Trump anyway, and so they voted Biden in the primaries even though he didn't really feel all that great. now, this is, of course, the kind of mistake you'd only make once... next time, everyone will know better02:25
graphineangela merkel is our chancellor for years now02:26
graphinewithout words02:26
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:16 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed worldwide Covid-19 death toll passes 100,000 → https://is.gd/BFm4Rq02:26
ubLIXLjL: we can't they all make their mistakes in their imaginations ahead of time :|02:27
ubLIXs/we/why/02:27
graphineok now the truth is hard and i guess now i will piss off a lot of people but the americans in general can be easily influenced thats is one reason why trump has won elections.02:27
ubLIXgraphine: you don't like Merkel?02:28
graphinei dont know her02:28
rager<LjL "ubLIX, i believe what happened h"> know better? This is America.02:28
graphinedo you?02:28
graphineshe is only our political leader i never met her in person02:28
ubLIXgraphine: in English, "without words" is kinda an idiom to express complete disbelief at some thing02:28
graphineall i know is her image02:28
graphinebut what i can say is that one thing i like about the usa is that president can only be reelected for another period so you wont have him for like 20 or 16 years like we do have angela merkel now02:30
LjLubLIX, rager: i see that was too subtle. i was rehashing many people's rationales for voting Clinton in the primaries last time. the same rationale as this time.02:30
graphineangela merkel is only good if nothing really needs to be changed02:30
ecovLjL: what are your thoughts on Biden02:30
rageror the same reason for picking John Kerry to lose to Bush02:31
ragerto flipping George Bush02:31
LjLecov, don't know him that well, but i'd have been fine with Sanders last time, so i'd personally stick with Sanders this time too02:31
rageror even for picking Al Gore02:31
graphineits werid all like sanders02:31
graphinebut he is never the candidate02:31
ecovLjL: sanders stepped down02:31
LjLgraphine, well, i've explained why i think that happens. people like him but "don't think he can win". so they vote someone else... who doesn't win.02:32
LjLecov, i am aware.02:32
graphinei read it LjL 02:32
ragerGOP might be the Conservative party02:32
ragerbut the Democrats are the conservative party02:32
ragerpeople are afraid of losing02:32
ragerand they're told all their lives that running to the center is how you fight the GOP02:32
graphinei liked him too and i agree and i do not think biden is a bad choice02:32
ragerwhy risk it and go against the Conventional Wisdom?02:32
ubLIX@ "afraid of losing" - but in what world can Biden win?02:33
graphinefor lots of americans sanders is almost a communist lol02:33
graphinefor us europeans not02:33
ragerBiden is a cipher for the Democratic party02:33
rager"Not HIM, THEM"02:33
graphinehow could trump win02:34
graphineall told trump will never win too02:34
ubLIXBiden can barely string a sentence together. Makes Trump look eloquent02:34
graphinedid you forget that02:34
ragerby shitting in the pool and claiming that Biden is also pooping02:34
ragerI'm just disappointed that Bernie didn't stick around long enough for Biden to let a "look, Jew!" slip02:35
linexthow long till 2mil?02:35
graphinethe fact is that lots of americans like trump02:35
graphineand some are only ashamed of him02:35
ubLIX%cases world02:35
BrainstormubLIX: In all areas, World, there are 1698813 cases, 102727 deaths (6.0% of cases), 376098 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.02:35
rager"Look, fat!"02:35
graphinewhy cant the world deal with the fact that most americans like trump?02:35
ragerBiden loses by drawing a poor contrast with Trump02:35
ubLIXgraphine: that is no longer obviously true02:36
graphinemost german like angela merkel and most english like boris02:36
ragerhe's got corrupt kids and #MeToo scandals, just like Trump02:36
rager"most americans"02:36
ragerTrump won on a minority of the vote02:36
graphineits is ubLIX you just would like a different truth so do i02:36
graphinebut its not gonna happen02:36
ragera non-plurality minority, at that02:36
ubLIXsee above - minority vote02:36
ubLIXand his ratings are tanking02:37
graphineyou do not need more than 50 percent to win an election02:37
graphinethats the fact02:37
rager"tanking"02:37
ragerthey're steady02:37
Dan[m]1A lot like Trump and even more tolerate him because the alternatives were far worse.02:37
LjLgraphine, that is a fact, but it is unrelated to whether ot not most americans like him02:37
ragerlots of people prefer grievance-based politics02:37
ecovthe DNC just fucked you guys over and chose a candidate FOR you and youre complaining about trump still02:37
ragerand Trump went all-in on white grievance02:37
ragerthere are a lot of Americans who want to take a hard facist turn to bring back the good ol' days02:37
ubLIX%cases US02:38
BrainstormubLIX: In all areas, US, there are 502049 cases, 18719 deaths (3.7% of cases), 27239 recoveries as of 17 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.02:38
graphineyou know what it those excuse just piss me off02:38
ubLIX^ the alternatives were far worse?02:38
graphinepeople vote for someone02:38
rageris true02:38
graphineand later they say oh i didnt want him02:38
LjLhow about we move away to gloomy&doomy COVID-19 now anyway? as i've said a few times, politics are fine, but they have to be somewhat relevant to COVID and not too namecall-ish. i'm not saying "stop", i've taken part in this discussion too, but if someone joined now, they'd be very perplexed as to whether this is a channel about COVID-1902:38
graphinejust did not habe any opportunity02:38
ecovthe way the DNC is setup is corrupt as hell, graphine02:38
ragerpropaganda doesn't override free will02:38
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus* at 00:19 UTC: Coronavirus: 28 arrested in Maryland for violating Gov. Larry Hogan's coronavirus-related orders → https://is.gd/89zwrs02:38
ragerthen again02:38
graphinefact is 38% of all germans voted for hitler02:38
graphinelater no one did02:38
graphinefrom what they said02:38
graphinepeople are always like that02:39
ragerwhen the turnout for primaries is under 50%, how is it even an indication of popular sentiment?02:39
danielp3344wth...02:39
LjLokay, now i can say "stop", strong with Godwin's law!02:39
graphineboris johnson brexit02:39
danielp3344<Brainstorm "New from r/Coronavirus* at 00:19"> this is sub-optimal...02:39
LjL(or some misinterpretation of it)02:39
graphineafter the elections they wanted it different02:39
ecovhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/11/democrat-primary-elections-need-reform02:39
graphineNON SENSE!02:39
ragernope, invoking Nazis is automatic game-over02:39
ecov" If the Democrats want any hope of voting Trump out of the White House, it is urgent they fix this broken system before the next election."02:39
ragereverybody loses02:39
ecoventer: Biden 02:40
ecovlol02:40
ragerwhat broken system02:40
ecovLOL02:40
ragereverything works as intended02:40
danielp3344there's no actual information...02:40
ecovwe have our candidate, move along nothing to see here02:40
graphinepeople just fear to stand for what they did that is all just a big shut and after something happened they do not want to pay for the show02:41
ragerhm02:41
danielp3344I was just thinking about the cannonball run thing too02:41
ragerdoing a coast-to-coast run now that the roads are clear?02:41
danielp3344rager: someone just set a new record02:41
danielp334426 hours02:41
graphinei mean that trump seriously have chances again doesnt make me think about biden or trump it makes me think of the american !!!02:42
ragerwhat kinda car?02:42
graphineif they really consider trump again02:42
graphinethey are obviously idiots02:42
danielp3344rager: 2019 audi a8 IIRC02:42
ubLIXwe changed the subject, graphine 02:42
ragergraphine: George Bush won two terms. He was reelected with a majority of the vote.02:42
danielp3344It's a shame that the record has only been set once in an american car lol02:42
ragerit's been a while since American cars could set those kinds of records02:43
danielp3344rager: hey now02:43
LjLenough politics now02:43
LjLit's getting out of hand02:43
danielp3344LjL: lol02:43
LjLlet's talk about the virus that is, in turn, getting out of han02:43
LjLd02:43
graphineubLIX, there you go if you do not get the result you want you change the subject there you have your answer for the question you asked02:43
danielp3344LjL: thoughts on DNA vaccines?02:43
graphinethink about it02:43
ryoumai want to know the effect of the latter on the former02:44
rageryo graphine , Germany voted for Hitler02:44
ryoumaLjL: 02:44
ubLIXok, lets move on02:44
graphineyes rager 02:44
ryoumais there current polling02:44
graphinethey did02:44
LjLdanielp3344, far from an expert on the subject. i'm hoping more for therapeutics at the moment though, because... we can't stay locked down for 18 months02:44
ecovrecent polls show that pre-election polling is useless information02:44
ragerin other news, is there enough mask yet?02:45
ragerwhere is the mask?02:45
ragerhow many mask does it have?02:45
graphinein the last free elections they did vote for him 38.1% if i remember right02:45
ryoumawe can't?  what are your preduictions if we do?02:45
LjLrager, well Italy is producing masks "for the general population" now, only problem is there is absolutely ZERO certification requirements for them02:45
LjLthey may as well just be paper with holes cut for the ears, and they will qualify as masks02:45
graphinewhere is the trouble to produce masks02:46
graphineits hillarious02:46
graphinei do not understand that02:46
graphineis the right fabric missing?02:46
LjL... presumably?02:47
LjLface masks have not been produced in Italy (or, i think, most western countries) for a long time02:47
graphinei guess it is not interesting economically02:47
graphinethats all02:47
LjLFPP2 respirators and similar are not trivial products to make, and for them to be safe, they must undergo tests and certifications02:47
LjLthings that there is not much time for at the moment02:47
ryoumathe n95 type need a special fabric while the surgical need fluid resistance02:47
ragermasks are electrospun from stuff02:48
ragerit's not just cotton and thread or something02:48
graphinei know that02:48
ryoumachina might be one of the major sources for the surgical02:48
ryoumafor the layer02:48
graphinewhy do you always think other are stupid02:48
ragerplus, certification02:48
graphinei am a technician02:48
ragerthings that cause suffering and death aren't hilarious02:48
graphinei at least used such mnasks02:48
LjLgraphine, well why do you ask "is the right fabric missing" then? of course it's missing, otherwise we'd just be cutting it, adding elastic bands, and giving them to doctors02:48
graphinei am not a programmer02:49
rageryou're the one acting like it's both hilarious that countries can't produce PPE and the one who thinks it's trivial, not me02:49
graphineit is hillarious02:49
graphineit is trivial02:49
graphineit is just not interesting economically02:49
graphinethats it02:49
ragerand yet... it's not, and it's not02:49
LjLhave you seen how much masks currently go for?02:49
LjLhow is it NOT economically interesting now?02:50
Dan[m]1I’ve built 3 based off the Hk mask design, they are easy enough and comfortable.02:50
ragerbecause people are dying, and advanced well-funded economies are having trouble doing it02:50
ragerso where's the humor, again?02:50
LjLit clearly wasn't economically interesting before, and so we stopped making them. but since that's the past and can't be changed, we can't just suddenly have the know-how and tools to start making them immediately and suddenly and also certify their quality within days02:50
ragerand I've built some plastic masks, but that's not the same thing as mass-producing n95 masks02:51
graphinedo you guys ever accept the reality?02:51
ubLIX*sigh*02:51
graphinein germany some companies just stopped producing stuff becuase they get money from the gov for their workers02:51
LjLgraphine, go on with this "you guys" rhetoric and i'll reinstate the quiet you briefly got02:51
ragerare you a prick in your native language, too?02:51
LjLrager, and you tone it down too please02:52
graphineand of course we have companies in germany that can produce masks right away02:52
ragerok02:52
graphinethey will not because they do not any money for it02:52
LjLynhof[m] said something about mask making but i'm pretty sure no one on IRC except me even clicked the long message link02:52
ToadisattvaI'm gonna have to go grocery shopping soon, not looking forward to it lol02:52
ynhof[m]Sorry, didn't realise they come as links when that long02:53
graphinei do not know where you from rager02:53
graphinebut in the usa they cant even produce cars02:53
danielp3344LjL: I didn't quite understand his idea :/02:53
danielp3344I'm gonna buy another car soon02:54
graphine&clear02:54
danielp3344prices are pretty low02:54
LjLynhof[m], yeah, that's the way the Matrix-IRC gateway handles them to avoid being kicked off for excess flooding. it's not your fault, the bridging thing is kind of rough around the edges.02:54
ragergraphine, enough nationalist nonsense02:55
ragerit's a bad look for Germans02:55
rager"germany, germany above everything"02:55
graphinekiss my ass rager02:55
graphineyou can kick ban me forever here02:55
graphinethanks02:55
graphinewhatever rager02:56
LjLgraphine, i have another idea. what about you take 30 minutes away from the channel (and ideally the computer) and listen to some music or just relax02:56
graphinei am pretty sure you do know everything02:56
graphineidiot02:56
LjLyou're angry, and we're all stressed from this thing. but you are kinda just raging now02:56
LjLi can't let you just insult other people02:56
\n3p\lol02:57
LjLcome back in a bit, if you'd like... or don't, i guess it's not up to me02:57
ragerI should go walk the dog02:57
danielp3344I'm confused about what the argument is here...02:57
LjLdanielp3344, politics gone wrong02:57
LjL(how unusual)02:57
danielp3344Anyone else buying cars now?02:58
\n3p\It's good time to buy cars. Are cheap and gas is under $1/gl02:59
ubLIXstruggling to make sense of ynhof[m]'s design02:59
danielp3344\n3p\: where do you live?!03:00
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed worldwide Covid-19 death toll passes 100,000 → https://is.gd/BFm4Rq03:02
Dan[m]1ubLIX: I really like this design, and the video makes it easy to follow...03:03
Dan[m]1https://diymask.site03:03
Chromanin%data Lebanon 03:07
BrainstormChromanin: In all areas, Lebanon, there are 609 cases, 20 deaths (3.3% of cases), 76 recoveries as of 13 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lebanon for time series data.03:07
Chromaninnot bad03:07
Chromaninunless you're one of the 20 dead ofc03:07
danielp3344%data maryland03:09
Brainstormdanielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 6968 cases, 171 deaths (2.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.03:09
Addfhello03:11
danielp3344Addf: hi03:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:08 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China says 42 out of 46 new cases were 'imported': China's National Health Commission said there have been 81,953 confirmed cases and 3,339 deaths in the country since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE03:15
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs as WHO warns on second wave → https://is.gd/15mkND03:27
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Massive Spike in NYC ‘Cardiac Arrest’ Deaths Seen as Sign of COVID-19 Undercounting (10445 votes) | https://redd.it/fynx4503:33
ynhof[m]Yeah it does make you feel like you are having a heart attack^^03:38
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1735 cases (now 1700161), +64 deaths (now 102758), +148 recoveries (now 376243) since an hour ago — US: +1055 cases (now 502876), +52 deaths (now 18747), +75 recoveries (now 27314) since an hour ago — Quebec, Canada: +765 cases (now 11677) since a day ago03:38
ecov%data Az03:52
Brainstormecov: In Arizona, US, there are 3112 cases, 97 deaths (3.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.03:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:58 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China says 42 out of 46 new cases were 'imported': China's National Health Commission said there have been 81,953 confirmed cases and 3,339 deaths in the country since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE04:03
ryoumais that believable?04:04
LjLi mostly believe it04:07
LjLbut you'll get all sorts of different answers04:07
ryoumawhen will the german data appear?04:08
LjLwhat data are we missing?04:10
ryoumathey are going to test "everybody in the country"04:11
ryoumaor so they say04:11
LjLoh, i doubt they will04:11
Hello_0people with covid should go to Australia to get cured04:11
LjLat least not in the short-medium term04:11
LjLthey may test a decent random sample with any luck04:11
LjLHello_0, damn, why didn't i think of that before! violating the lockdown, catching a non-existent plane, and entering a country that is most definitely not willing to let me in, then just walk into a hospital04:12
ryouma%data covid04:12
Brainstormryouma: Sorry, covid not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.04:12
ryouma%data germany04:12
Brainstormryouma: In all areas, Germany, there are 122171 cases, 2767 deaths (2.3% of cases), 53913 recoveries as of 11 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).04:12
Hello_0%data Australia04:13
BrainstormHello_0: In all areas, Australia, there are 6238 cases, 54 deaths (0.9% of cases), 3141 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries).04:13
Hello_03141 recoveries04:13
LjLyou know what, i'll just remove recoveries from the bot. they are meaningless and misleading in most cases.04:13
iz%cases usa04:13
Brainstormiz: In all areas, US, there are 502876 cases, 18747 deaths (3.7% of cases), 27314 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.04:13
izhalf a million now04:13
Hello_0%data Norway04:14
BrainstormHello_0: In all areas, Norway, there are 6314 cases, 113 deaths (1.8% of cases), 32 recoveries as of 13 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Norway for time series data.04:14
Hello_032 recoveries 04:14
ryoumacases are presumably clinical or pcr or non-pcr?04:14
ryoumadeaths are presumably some coroner or medic saying official?04:14
LjLryouma, it really differs by country i'm afraid04:15
LjLcases are most often only PCR-confirmed cases04:15
LjLin China, though, at some point they allowed them to be confirmed clinically04:15
LjLand that caused a sudden spike in cases04:15
LjLbut i think most countries are defining them as PCR-verified04:15
LjLdeaths are often also based only on previously confirmed cases, but not always, making *even* deaths an unreliable value to some extent04:16
Hello_0way to go Australia 04:16
LjLlike a few days ago, the UK announced they *would* start notifying the deaths that were not happening in hospitals04:16
LjLHello_0, is what i'm saying somehow implying that those recoveries in Australia are not a completely artificial metric on which to base anything?04:17
LjLbecause that's not my intent04:17
ryoumawhat is the sensitivity and selectivity of pcr?  i know it is really bad for serology.04:17
Hello_0im not commenting you04:18
ryoumai am confused as to your comments04:19
ryoumaHello_0: 04:19
Hello_0so im I04:19
Hello_0so am I04:19
ryoumabrain fog?04:20
Hello_0autralia is doing extremelly well04:20
ryoumadon't have the energy to check that on covidly04:21
Hello_0what meds are they using to treat covid?04:21
ryoumapopulation size etc.  but if there is any truth to lipkin suggesting summer could cause a reprieve, then australia is heading into winter so it might be in trouble04:21
Hello_0every coutry should falow suit04:22
ryoumaHello_0: check this out:04:22
ryouma%data taiwan04:22
Brainstormryouma: In all areas, Taiwan, there are 382 cases, 6 deaths (1.6% of cases), 91 recoveries as of 4 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries).04:22
Hello_0382 cases,?04:22
ryoumamuch of that is due to masks and taking it seriously early i think04:22
Hello_0taking it seriously early proally04:23
PlanckWalkConfirmed cases in 80+ age group in Australia are very much lower than in younger age groups.04:23
ryoumaand sinophony04:23
ryoumahas been speculated04:23
PlanckWalkAnd yes, much earlier action than most countries04:24
PlanckWalk(In terms of e.g. deaths)04:24
Hello_0also asia as jumped to this mask using a long time ago04:24
ryoumathey learned it from the usa apparently, around 191804:24
Hello_0since bird flu?04:24
ryoumaspanish04:25
Hello_0or was it casue polution04:25
ryoumaand they have a more altruistic culture and shame-based culture so they don't cough on others when they are sick; they wear masks04:25
ryoumathey wear masks when they have colds so as not to infect others (perhaps also to humidify or filter dunno)04:25
Hello_0shame-based culture just what we need04:26
ryoumawe really need a cuylture where you wear a mask when you are sick just like in japan04:26
Hello_0i think its was around  bird flu that it become fashonale04:27
Hello_0fashoinable04:28
ryoumathere are also fashions, which might indeed be then, but they have been wearing masks since the early 1900s in japan04:28
Hello_0i think also cause polution04:28
ryoumasome do for that04:29
nixonixin japan, somebody drops from roof or whatever and is taken to hospital, the first thing they do is put the mask on his face. i think it just makes them feel safe04:32
Hello_0o cup of tea?04:32
Hello_0yoiu should free airways in such case04:33
ynhof[m]What type of tea do you offer.?04:36
Hello_0https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/04/10/1934250/snowden-warns-governments-are-using-coronavirus-to-build-the-architecture-of-oppression04:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases passes 500,000, China reports 46 more infections → https://is.gd/hT1ORE04:37
Hello_0most ailments can e eased with a cup of tea04:38
LjLhas there been a double blind trial on that?04:38
xrogaan%title https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/massive-spike-in-nyc-cardiac-arrest-deaths-seen-as-sign-of-covid-19-undercounting/2368678/04:38
Brainstormxrogaan: From www.nbcnewyork.com: Massive Spike in NYC ‘Cardiac Arrest’ Deaths Seen as Sign of COVID-19 Undercounting – NBC New York04:38
xrogaanI suspected as much04:38
LjLi've known as much from Italy et al04:39
Hello_0it also fights thypho or colera04:39
Hello_0boiled water04:39
LjLi think we tend to prefer to stick to science-based medicine here04:39
Hello_0boiled water is science-based04:40
xrogaanHello_0: the framework of oppression isn't really because the various governments wants to oppress, but rather they know they won't have a choice in order to maintain social order in the long term. It's my pessimistic view of the world speaking.04:41
xrogaanClimate change, sea level rising, inevitable market collapse, we're not headed towards great times.04:41
xrogaancovid precipitate everything.04:42
xrogaanWell, not climate change, but rather the decisions.04:42
ynhof[m]What about this cup of tea that was hot 3 hours ago?04:43
Hello_0its not for nothing that asia has the iggest population04:43
Hello_0they most be doing something right foe a very long time04:44
LjLi am very confused by the things you're saying.04:45
LjLhaving a big population is not necessarily a plus, and when it comes to epidemics, it tends to be a definite minus04:45
Hello_0and its not like they dont have pandemies 04:45
xrogaanPopulation amount is unrelated.04:45
LjLadditionally, China has had a one-child policy for a long time (though they mostly dropped it now) *because* they didn't think having a huge population was great04:45
LjLi'm really not sure what you're getting at, but your assumptions seem flaky at best04:46
Hello_0for ex: the plague originated there04:46
Hello_0Im  refering to a very long time!04:47
xrogaanLjL: they now follow the 2 children policy.04:48
Hello_0why?04:48
Hello_0overpopulation04:49
LjLso they are doing something right by being overpopulated... but they are also doing something wrong, because that's giving them epidemics.04:49
LjLam i following so far?04:49
Hello_0no04:49
Hello_0in spite off04:50
Hello_0clear as water04:52
Hello_0you are just trying to put a spin on what i was saying04:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: another death in NSW takes state toll to 23 and national toll to 56 – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y904:54
ubLIXinteresting blether about bats and immune systems: https://get21stnight.com/2020/03/30/why-do-we-keep-getting-diseases-from-bats/05:01
LjLHello_0, i'm trying to understand your point because it's not clear to me at all.05:05
Hello_0its not for nothing that asia has the biggest population05:10
Hello_0they most be doing something right for a very long time05:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, China reports 46 new infections → https://is.gd/hT1ORE05:11
Hello_0that is what im saying05:11
LjLubLIX, very high-level but interesting05:13
Hello_0sung dinasty had technology 2000 years before occident05:13
LjLHello_0, the Sung dynasty began in the year 960. Are you a visitor from the year 3000?05:14
Hello_0its was on history channel yesterday05:15
Hello_0well i suppose that stuff was even before that05:16
pwr22Cov Bot knows about Finnish regions now05:16
pwr22!cases Pirkanmaa05:16
CovBotIn Pirkanmaa, Finland there have been a total of 164 cases as of 2020-04-11 03:15:13 UTC.05:16
pwr22I woke up after two hours05:19
Hello_0welcome to the matrix05:21
Hello_0mr smith05:21
pwr22Is there anyone Finnish in here?05:24
pwr22I remember someone asked for this but I forget who05:25
Hello_0my cat05:25
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:26 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The United States recorded 2,037 deaths today. This is the highest total so far, but is also consistent with a ~5.5 day doubling time, which is slower than a week ago. → https://is.gd/r5PXeX05:29
Hello_0can mosquitos carry covid?05:32
Hello_0 there is no information nor evidence05:34
Hello_0https://agrilifetoday.tamu.edu/2020/03/20/can-ticks-and-mosquitoes-transmit-the-coronavirus/05:34
pwr22Sounds like you've answered your own question?05:35
BirossoThen why talk about it?05:35
Hello_0i googled it05:35
Hello_0i bet they can05:36
BirossoWhy are you betting they can without any evidence or further information?05:37
Hello_0educated guess05:37
BirossoOkay.05:37
mo0kieinteresting... why wouldn't they?05:39
BirossoDon't know. Not an expert.05:39
Hello_0https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzMzI4ODI3MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMzAwODM3._V1_.jpg05:40
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Poll: 59 percent of voters more concerned about rolling back social distancing too soon than economic fallout (10338 votes) | https://redd.it/fyrwbc05:40
Hello_0this is me 1 year from now05:40
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND05:46
ynhof[m]What would you think of the possibility of having asymptomatically shed live virus on others after realising you are infected05:46
ynhof[m]In terms of emotional response, and what one might think introspectively in light of this05:47
ynhof[m]put simply in broader terms: how would you feel if you realised you had likely infected a cluster of people.05:49
Hello_0i would slice my wrists05:50
ynhof[m]It's an interesting subject because a lot of people might be thinking about this now in the usa05:51
Hello_0better then be at the mercy of said people05:51
ynhof[m]How would one be at their mercy? I didn't folloe completelysorry05:53
Hello_0how many infected people are grinding axes ?05:54
Hello_0against people they think infected then?05:55
ubLIXi'm not finding this mood very interesting05:55
ubLIXHello_0: what time zone are you in?05:56
Hello_0i didnt started it05:56
ubLIXwhat time zone are you in?05:56
Hello_0whats it to you?05:56
ubLIXso i can pick a time to unquiet you05:57
ubLIXwhen would you like to come back? is what i'm saying05:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, China reports 46 new infections → https://is.gd/hT1ORE05:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Italy to receive US aid: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE06:10
Hello_0im my grinding axe to split a mosquito06:11
ryouma500k is a lot of cases.  presumably the real number is much higher.06:25
Hello_0this covid spreads faster than light06:26
light._.06:27
tinwhiskersHeh06:28
euod[m]ryouma: 500k confirmed could mean anything, sadly. 06:30
euod[m]ryouma: if you expect 10x non-discovered, that's 1.5% of the population. 06:30
euod[m]which doesn't feel unlikely at this point, given the rate of growth of confirmed cases and the lag time. 06:32
Hello_0after a certain % mitigation becomes meanigless06:33
euod[m]well, probably after we start using percentages for the US rather than numbers. 06:33
euod[m]0.15% of the US population confirmed infected is still utterly crazy. 06:34
Hello_0or im missing  something06:34
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:26 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: another death in NSW takes state toll to 23 and national toll to 56 – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y906:35
Hello_0% of newyork population?06:35
ynhof[m]%data New Zealand06:36
Brainstormynhof[m]: In all areas, New Zealand, there are 1312 cases, 4 deaths (0.3% of cases), 422 recoveries as of 40 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Zealand for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 0.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).06:36
euod[m]new york city is 8.6M, depending what data you read it's about 100k cases (but the region is different).  06:37
euod[m]but as a ham fisted number, NY city is 1.16%. 06:37
Hello_0a guy that was ww2 prisoner recovered from covid06:37
ryoumaand new rochelle is concerned about its place in history.  it should be more concerned about hygiene.06:38
Hello_0euod[m] that statistic makes better sense06:39
ryoumawhich i shold too.  practically every time i wash my hands, a tiny dfroplet splashes into my eyes.  and sink cannot be cleaned.06:39
Hello_0wash were glass06:40
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND06:47
Hello_0%data Chile06:49
BrainstormHello_0: In all areas, Chile, there are 6501 cases, 65 deaths (1.0% of cases), 1571 recoveries as of 53 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Chile for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries).06:49
Hello_01571 recoveries06:49
Hello_0good country to get cured06:49
Hello_0%data Ecuador06:51
BrainstormHello_0: In all areas, Ecuador, there are 7161 cases, 297 deaths (4.1% of cases), 368 recoveries as of 55 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ecuador for time series data.06:51
Hello_0368 recoveries bad country to get cured06:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:56 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Italy to receive US aid: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE06:59
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, German cases exceed 117,600: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE07:11
Hello_0lets say you could vax for every pathogen could the imune system coop with such vacine?07:16
rager"Who knows"07:18
ragerIt probably wouldn't be effective to just stick someone with a mix of everything at once07:19
ragerSo you're working with something novel with unknown traits, here07:19
ragerI take that back. The answer is "yes" because if your immune system can't take it, you by definition can't make a vaccine for every disease07:21
ryoumasome areconcerned that the vaccine schedule for children is too aggressive and should be spaced out07:22
euod[m]why?07:22
ryoumadunno07:22
euod[m]people are retards with vaccines. 07:23
ryoumaa bunch of stuff was combined recently07:23
ryoumaretards are everywhere :)07:23
euod[m]ask a random person about space travel and they'll say nothing, but oh lordy they're an expert on vaccines. 07:23
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: another death in NSW takes state toll to 23 and national toll to 56 – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y907:23
ryoumawell, space travel means, you need oxygen, no leaks, propulsion, stuff like that.  no big deal.07:24
ryoumahelps if you don't use astronauts who fly off the handle and start shooting randomly like in alien07:24
euod[m]I'm saying for some reason they think they're an expert. 07:25
euod[m]even though they probably have the same amount of understanding of both subjects.07:25
ryoumai'm joking07:25
ryoumatrying to lighten the mood07:25
euod[m]hard to tell. lots of idiots in this channel too, like the rest of the world :)07:26
ryoumawlel maybe i'm an idiot07:27
ryoumai might not know if i am right?07:28
ryoumahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity --- my guess is, the antivaxxers are a diverse lot, is all i know.  levels of rationality vary.  i think that's probably the biggest thing a lot of anti-anti-vaxxers might want to know.  likewise, a lot of anti-vaxxers might want to know that anti-anti-vaxxers are diverse.07:28
stinkpothttps://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.06.028647v1?rss=107:32
ryoumastinkpot: interesting idea07:33
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND07:36
Hello_0i was thinking if having too many antibodies might inder the immune response to new threats07:44
Hello_0in all in favour of vacines thou07:44
Hello_0it wouldnt it be alot better to develop the antibodies for evey pathogen and use then to cure patientes07:47
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: return of overseas travellers 'meticulously planned' – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y908:00
Hello_0https://newatlas.com/deals/uv-shield-smartphone-sanitizer/08:04
Hello_0would this work for cash?08:06
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:00 UTC: UK hunger crisis: 1.5m people go whole day without food: Councils and charities report ‘double whammy of austerity and Covid-19’ and urge government to step in → https://is.gd/EMl8jq08:12
Finessehello?08:19
Hello_0yes?08:20
FinesseJust wondering how people in the world are doing. How are you, stranger?08:21
Hello_0Im covid  negative what aout you?08:21
FinesseSame. Been laying low. Where are you from?08:22
stevev916[m]anybody seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fxucds/for_everyone_asking_why_i_didnt_include_the/08:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND08:25
Finessethats crazy, steve91608:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:34 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, German cases exceed 117,600: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE08:37
ecrockz123Some corporates are thinking of  pooled testing of workers08:42
ryoumafor conserving test kits?08:48
ryoumalogn to find a case?08:49
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 06:39 UTC: Coronavirus: Doctors' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA: The British Medical Association says doctors are treating Covid-19 patients without proper protection. → https://is.gd/BSBvyr08:49
tinwhiskersfinally caught a fish today so I get to eat meat that doesn't come out of a can again. \o/09:03
tinwhiskersOur lockdown has been extended for a 3rd week despite all cases in quarantine having been cleared09:03
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: return of overseas travellers 'meticulously planned' – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y909:13
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1176 cases (now 1702021) since 5 hours ago — Ukraine: +308 cases (now 2511) since 5 hours ago — US: +301 cases (now 503177) since 5 hours ago09:20
KhuTreatment of norovirus particles with citrate: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004268221500328109:22
Khuacid lactic and citric acid are both organic compounds. one from milk the other from lemons09:23
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND09:25
tinwhiskersKhu: norovirus?09:32
Khuthe way they kill specific virus is useful for covid-19,09:37
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 07:33 UTC: Coronavirus: US death toll passes 2,000 in a single day: America now has half a million confirmed coronavirus cases but the outbreak may soon begin to level off. → https://is.gd/HZjFHZ09:37
Khufor example, citric acid and lactic acid have a ph of 3.4, THAT THE VIRUS will not like... as it likes acid evironments.09:38
Khuhttps://www.aqion.de/site/191 gives a list of ph of common acid and bases09:39
MjrTom[m]The body regulates pH internally. You can do little to affect that. You definitely do not want to inhale citric acid09:40
Khuall what I do is check what people post, to believe is to be lazy.. you have to check and learn.09:40
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 07:42 UTC: Coronavirus: Doctors' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA: The British Medical Association says doctors are treating Covid-19 patients without proper protection. → https://is.gd/BSBvyr09:50
Hello_0spray citric acid on mask09:56
ynhof[m]Hmm citrus vaping for a cure...09:57
ynhof[m]Accidentally went shopping for 10 minutes. hope no one dies09:57
Hello_0spray perfume09:58
Hello_0should help too09:58
ynhof[m]I heard some impoverished families in the middle east believed troll posts online and gave their children methylated spirits to drink as a form of innocculation.10:02
ynhof[m]Their children may be never see again.10:02
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND10:02
jesterhttps://www.healthline.com/health/ph-of-blood10:03
ynhof[m]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-coronavirus-methanol-drink-cure-deaths-fake-a9429956.html10:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:11 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, German cases exceed 117,600: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE10:14
BrainstormUpdates for World: +2277 cases (now 1704298), +69 deaths (now 102914) since an hour ago — Russia: +1667 cases (now 13584) since an hour ago — Philippines: +233 cases (now 4428) since an hour ago10:20
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Pasqua → https://is.gd/8mrydz10:26
\n3p\https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/estimating-the-true-number-of-chinas-covid-19-cases/10:30
\n3p\[PDF] https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Estimating-the-True-Number-of-Chinas-COVID-19-Cases.pdf10:30
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 08:33 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Pentagono, il Generale Mark Milley parla agli avversari: "Non metteteci militarmente alla prova, non siamo indeboliti". → https://is.gd/s7QsUX10:38
Hello_0https://news.yahoo.com/hit-virus-pentagon-warns-enemies-dont-test-us-165113632.html10:42
Hello_0there fixed it10:43
Bruce[m]Hi10:44
Hello_0sup?10:45
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Doctor Secures 650 Tablets So Coronavirus Patients 'Dying Alone' Can See Loved Ones for Last Time (10027 votes) | https://redd.it/fyo8ax10:47
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND10:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE11:03
jcayso many new vaccine candidates https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/coronavirus-vaccines11:08
Bruce[m]I heard that USA 🇺🇸 is leading .11:10
pwr22In what way?11:11
eckscases AND deaths11:13
ecksusa number 111:13
\n3p\only in absolute numbers11:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: return of overseas travellers 'meticulously planned' – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y911:15
Bruce[m]Cases11:16
Bruce[m]But in africa the ranking is not that high11:16
\n3p\Africa is doing well for now. 11:17
rplasmidthey arent testing11:18
rplasmidno one is really testing11:18
rplasmidat the scale they should11:18
rplasmidexcept sk11:18
BrainstormUpdates for World: +2748 cases (now 1707046), +387 deaths (now 103301) since an hour ago — Belgium: +1351 cases (now 28018), +327 deaths (now 3346) since an hour ago — Indonesia: +330 cases (now 3842) since an hour ago11:20
pwr22!compare uk;italy;us11:22
pwr22UK death rate is definitely creeping up11:23
pwr22*US11:23
rplasmidwhere is the code for this bot11:24
pwr22!source11:25
CovBotI was created by Peter Roberts and MIT licensed on Github at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot. I fetch new data every 15 minutes from http://offloop.net/covid19h/unconfirmed.csv, https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/ca796627a2294c51926865748c4a56e8/data, https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/b684319181f94875a6879bbc833ca3a6/data and11:25
CovBothttps://w3qa5ydb4l.execute-api.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/prod/finnishCoronaData/v2. Risk estimates are based on the model at https://www.desmos.com/calculator/v0zif7tflm.11:25
rplasmidfantastic11:26
pwr22There's a few different bots in this room. Cov Bot is mine, Brainstorm is LjL's,CoronaBot is sYN4P515's, MrNodeBot is IronY's11:27
pwr22LjL is the channel admin so Brainstorm is the most official bot for this room 😁 11:28
rplasmidgetting some basic python modelling done with SIR now and was curious11:31
rplasmidmay go deeper and use stata on covid data 11:32
pwr22SIR/11:32
rplasmidassess public health interventions on some other variable11:32
pwr22*?11:32
rplasmidsusceptible, infected, "recovered"11:33
\n3p\Does MIT models are based in Dynamo or something like that?11:33
rplasmidmy applied microeconometrics class uses stata 11:33
rplasmidI want to use python data science tools instead11:33
rplasmidbut may end up just using stata11:33
rplasmidbetter than eviews 11:33
rplasmidand all better than excel11:34
rplasmidhttps://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/492271-poll-59-of-voters-more-concerned-about-rolling-back-social11:35
Bruce[m]Let’s manage a conference call11:37
ynhof[m]Wow, so cool I am surrounded by programmers :D11:39
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Riapertura → https://is.gd/2ZzMkC11:39
aradeshi was just thinking of a way a country could have completely sealed themselves against the virus. you could control the borders in the following way: anyone who comes in (say locals returning home) go through a quarantine centre, and secondly any deliveries of goods be left for say 48 hours, before being touched by anyone11:40
aradeshin a holding area11:40
pwr22<ynhof[m] "Wow, so cool I am surrounded by "> There's at least a few in here11:40
Bruce[m]So are doing it or what11:40
pwr22<Bruce[m] "So are doing it or what"> Eh?11:40
aradeshi think that would have been achievable by 1st world nations, if planned back from mid-january when the situation first became obvious11:40
Bruce[m]Yes11:41
Bruce[m]So at least can I have ur permission11:41
pwr22Permission for what?11:42
Bruce[m]The conference call11:42
pwr22Through Matrix?11:42
pwr22A lot of this room is actually IRC btw11:43
Bruce[m]Yes it will work unless I have ur permission11:43
pwr22It's not my room so not my call, You'd need to ask LjL11:45
pwr22Can't see much harm on it though I'm not really up for it myself atm11:45
jcaythis sounds promising https://www.cytodyn.com/newsroom/press-releases/detail/413/blood-samples-at-day-0-3-and-7-for-severely-ill-covid-1911:45
pwr22That's self-promotion there so .... not sure how much to think of that11:48
jcayif they are in phase 2 already, that's faster than some other companies11:50
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3827 cases (now 1710873), +276 deaths (now 103577) since 35 minutes ago — Spain: +3579 cases (now 161852), +272 deaths (now 16353) since 35 minutes ago — Switzerland: +106 cases (now 24657) since 35 minutes ago11:50
Hello_0dont tell me that big pharma is going to actually cure people11:51
jcaywho else? god?11:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE11:51
ynhof[m]The pygmies11:52
ynhof[m](Kidding of course).11:52
Hello_0instead of keeping them spending money treating the sintoms11:53
Hello_0if they treated most patients they would run out of clients11:55
jcaywith the pharm rivalry nowadays to defeat the disease it's no time for cheatery like that11:55
Hello_0curing people doesnt makes financial sense 11:56
mefistofelesHello_0: they have plenty of clients and they will be even richer if they found a good treatment or cure11:56
mefistofelesso yes, it's even a good business in that case11:56
Hello_0rrright11:56
Hello_0keep drinking the cool aid11:57
jcaythe one which "wins the lottery" of finding the most successful treatment will be filthy rich... like gazillions of $$$$, but I think it will be a few most successful though, maybe even a cocktail11:58
\n3p\Any evidence of your conspiracy theories Hello_0 ?11:59
Hello_0who did we get here?11:59
Hello_0how did we get here?11:59
ynhof[m]Anyone use networkinhng toolsk on their android device?11:59
ynhof[m]I.e nftables or system monitoring etc.11:59
\n3p\ynhof[m], any good android client for IRC?12:00
ynhof[m]I actually am installing qemu via termux and will run irc in linux, lol. Don't know if I can suggest it12:01
mefistofelesthat's pretty overkill12:01
ynhof[m]Definitely.12:02
Hello_0the only thing that makes financial sense is to keep milking the cow12:02
\n3p\Hello_0, for that you need that the cow lives12:02
Hello_0so do drug dealers12:02
Hello_0oh wait a 12:03
Hello_0...12:03
Hello_0you need that the cow alive while it still got milk ...12:04
Hello_0makes perfect financial sense 12:05
Hello_0full prof logic12:05
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Tecnologia → https://is.gd/7WwEgw12:06
\n3p\Hello_0, It's time to help people to live. Protect most vulnerable and search for best treatments and strategy. Not for conspiracies bullshit12:07
ubLXImhm. rehashing these unoriginal fears is not why this channel came together12:09
ynhof[m]Are you the same mod on an alt12:10
Hello_0just saying 12:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE12:13
ubLIXHello_0: anyway, you seem not to be in ##coronavirus-vox - in that channel you might find someone willing to argue the incentives angle of the pharmaceutical industry12:14
Hello_0i dont do alt right crap12:16
Hello_0they just devalio12:17
Hello_0ating stuff12:17
Hello_0just like the alien crap on history channel12:18
pwr22Yeah, I agree this channel is not for conspiracy theories12:18
pwr22There are others out there for that12:19
Hello_0this is not a conspiracy theoy12:19
Hello_0its just logic 1+1=212:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: Matt Hancock under fire over PPE comments - live updates → https://is.gd/KXJF0912:20
ubLIXsome features of the idea are not necessarily entirely CT; nevertheless the idea doesn't add much to our concerns here12:20
ubLIXgive ##coronavirus-vox another try12:21
ubLIXand lurk here as long as you like12:21
pwr22Yeah, just keep it friendly - these things seem to degenerate into vitriol so much here 😧 12:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE12:27
Arsanerithttps://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52246319  "Jane's phone downloads the central database" — that can't be right?  Surely it'd just need to be queried for keys she's been in contact with?12:31
Timvde\n3p\: I'm using weechat-android and really like it, but of course it requires some remote weechat set up12:34
\n3p\Timvde, ty12:34
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:30 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/qtLFPH12:34
TimvdeYou can't "just" connect to an IRC server with it12:35
TimvdeAlternatively, I'd just say: check F-droid and try some out12:36
ynhof[m](Repost you may have seen)Do you have any suggestions for making networking connections on android more explicit i.e nftables ?12:43
ynhof[m](In personal experience)12:43
jacklswDon't confuse weechat with wechat app :P12:47
\n3p\There is an e of difference and a Chinese spyware of distance. 12:49
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Spain's death toll falls for third straight day → https://is.gd/hT1ORE12:52
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/xwcgQ213:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Spain's death toll falls for third straight day → https://is.gd/hT1ORE13:16
sneepFolding@Home is at 1,220,063 TFLOPS now :313:17
sneep1.2 exaflops13:18
sneepThat's some immense processing power13:19
BlankspaceHi13:21
jacklswhey13:23
user848%data germany13:34
Brainstormuser848: In all areas, Germany, there are 122171 cases, 2767 deaths (2.3% of cases), 53913 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).13:34
user848%data berlin13:34
Brainstormuser848: Sorry, berlin not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.13:34
user848%data switzerland13:34
Brainstormuser848: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 24900 cases, 1003 deaths (4.0% of cases), 11100 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries).13:34
user848%data sweden13:34
Brainstormuser848: In all areas, Sweden, there are 9685 cases, 870 deaths (9.0% of cases), 381 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data.13:34
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1206 cases (now 1712079) since an hour ago — Romania: +523 cases (now 5990) since an hour ago — Switzerland: +243 cases (now 24900) since an hour ago13:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:25 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/dKxzT613:40
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1855 cases (now 1713934), +126 deaths (now 103710) since 17 minutes ago — Iran: +1837 cases (now 70029), +125 deaths (now 4357) since 17 minutes ago13:51
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: Matt Hancock under fire over PPE comments - live updates → https://is.gd/KXJF0913:53
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain in ‘stabilisation phase’ but US sees 2,000 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/15mkND14:05
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1360 cases (now 1715294), +133 deaths (now 103843) since 19 minutes ago — Netherlands: +1316 cases (now 24413), +132 deaths (now 2643) since 19 minutes ago14:06
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: US becomes first country to record over 2,000 coronavirus deaths in last 24 hours: Report (10010 votes) | https://redd.it/fyvnk814:24
jacklsw2k deaths. shit just got real bad14:26
Oblomov81chill bro14:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India to extend nationwide lockdown, US nears 20,000 deaths → https://is.gd/qopNVC14:29
ynhof[m]Very sad to hear that. I hope containment and elimination are possible at this point14:31
Oblomov81still waiting for that chan and bot that live tallies the record of people dying at every second from cancer, flu etc 14:31
ynhof[m]lol14:32
Oblomov81the fact that people have been dying from coronavirus every year says a shit ton14:34
AimHerePeople haven't been dying from this coronavirus every year. It's a novel one14:35
Oblomov81right. 14:35
ubLIXif you ask tinwhiskers nicely, he might add option to display sars-cov-2 effects as multiple of cancer/flu etc for each country14:35
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1566 cases (now 1716860), +67 deaths (now 103910) since 33 minutes ago — Portugal: +515 cases (now 15987) since 33 minutes ago — Sweden: +466 cases (now 10151) since 33 minutes ago14:36
ubLIXs/ask/pay/14:36
AimHereAs for death tolls from other diseases, Covid19 is roughly in the top 3 causes of death right now in the worst-hit countries. Where exactly in that top 3 varies 14:36
ubLIXsounds like not a small amount of work14:36
Oblomov81nah, i will pass. when i need that i will write my own D3/JS/perl script. shit ton of csv data on the web to scrap from14:36
Oblomov81AimHere where did you get this false information?14:37
AimHereIt's not false, though. For instance, the USA's normal death rate (outwith Covid19) is ~7700 deaths per day14:39
AimHereCurrently Covid19 is killing 2000 people per day14:39
Oblomov81Thing is there is no data as for the actual correlation between death from direct causation and death with detectable infection. eg Dying from a car collision but with cyanide in your system AND on the other hand just dying from cyanide 14:40
AimHereMathematically that makes it certainly in the top 4, and in reality it's only heart disease and cancer that's got that order of deaths14:40
Oblomov81> 2000 deaths per day14:40
Oblomov81again false14:40
AimHereThere were 2000 people died yesterday with Covid1914:40
ynhof[m]Trying to weigh the value of human life, maybe I am myopic and choose to spend lots of money on the shutdown. I think if I was to think from the start about it, that might be my answer because I can't make sense of the economic figures.14:40
Oblomov81and the day before that?14:40
AimHereNearly 2000, Over 190014:41
AimHereSimilarly the day before that14:41
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 12:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NHS workers' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA → https://is.gd/BSBvyr14:41
\n3p\AimHere, If you just measures a day mortality rate and generalizes it maybe bananas on the street could be a big use some day.14:42
Oblomov81in a bad flu season, some deviation is expected. a couple of days dont spoil the whole data set. you need like data spreading at least 6 months. a couple of days i repeat are not adequate to make conclusions14:42
TimvdeOblomov81: Also keep in mind that COVID-19 is killing that many people *despite* the countermeasures all countries are taking14:43
ynhof[m]Are thererlots of related health complications that aren't going as covid deaths? Like the increase in cardiac issues jn NY.14:43
AimHereA bad flu season doesn't kill people at the rate Covid19 is killing people. If you're saying we should wait for six months while this disease fills the morgue with corpses because we're not sure how lethal this disease is, you're in cloud cuckoo land14:44
AimHereThere are mass graves being dug in New York right now14:44
TimvdeIt spreads more easy and has a higher death rate than the flue, all while nobody is having any resistance to it14:45
TimvdeAnd in case you didn't notice, we do create vaccines against the flu every year14:45
\n3p\COVID-19 is a serious killer. You don't need to wait until it kill millions to take measures. If you see the numbers at the end, probable not as killer as many expected but that is the DIRECT RESULT of the lockdown14:45
TimvdeBut because this is new, there are no vaccines, and not acting will get *many* people killed14:46
TimvdeMaybe not Spanish Flu-many, but still a crazy amount14:46
Oblomov81the fact that you can get it and go through a mild illness which by the way you might never even know that you have an infection "of the most dangerous disease never seen before" says a ton oif you have common sense14:46
TimvdeNobody said it's the most dangerous disease ever14:47
ynhof[m]Good discussion folks, I like the different ideas.14:47
ynhof[m]Stay productive with your communication and save yourself the trouble though eh :)14:47
Oblomov81AimHere seems to be reasoning along those lines14:47
TimvdeBut it's relatively dangerous and spreads *very* easily14:47
AimHereIt's dangerous in that it lets a lot of people spread it while only killing a fraction of the people who get it14:47
Oblomov81AimHere whats the deathrate do you think?14:48
livebraina medical mild case is not what we think14:48
Oblomov81whats the "fraction"?14:48
livebraina mild case most of the times means pmeumonia14:48
livebrainand a pmeumonia is always bad14:48
AimHereOblomov81, Something like 0.5-1% seems to be in the ballpark14:48
livebrainand can leave you with lung "scars" for life14:48
AimHereIndeed, that's deaths. There's also other harm caused by the virus in some patients14:48
TimvdeYea, we don't know a lot about the long-term damage either14:49
TimvdeDoesn't mean we should dismiss the possibility that there is14:49
Timvde(There are indications anyway)14:49
livebrainand the way it affects ppl (in my understanding) is that it goes to the lower respiratory system. You then have a good imune system and fight it off14:50
ecrockz123When this pandemic will end 14:50
livebrainor pneumonia insues14:50
livebrainand pneumonia kills alot of ppl each year, in my country alot of ppl die from it as a secondary infection in hospitals14:50
AimHereAlso it makes a lot of people so ill that they require hospitalization without killing them - making it (and other diseases) more lethal by taking up a lot of health resources.14:50
livebrainthis virus spreads fast, and it affects the lower part or the respiratory system, that makes it kinda dangerous14:51
AimHereThis disease seems to be causing excess deaths in non-Covid19 patients 14:51
Oblomov81do you even have an actual idea how many people may die this year from malnutrition related illnesses from Africa due to the now unavoidable global recession? and how much of those are going to die from lake of medical attention with restrictions of travel from the lockadowns? can you comprehend these facts? and how they make a death rate of 0.5%14:53
Oblomov81look completely small14:53
Oblomov81fact remains this has been blown out of proportion 14:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:48 UTC: (news): US coronavirus cases pass 500,000, Boris Johnson makes 'very good progress' in recovery → https://is.gd/hT1ORE14:53
AimHere0.5% of the population of the world is 35 million people14:53
Oblomov81that rate isnt even offical14:54
AimHereThat dwarfs the deaths due to malnutrition which is ~4-5 million14:54
AimHereIt's not. We don't know. It's early indications14:54
Oblomov81no its not14:54
AimHereThe case fatality rate from Covid19 in some places is maybe 10%, which is because we don't have a good testing regime in place14:55
AimHereThe figures are unknown, but they are serious14:55
Oblomov81>figures are unknown14:56
Oblomov81yet you persist to make these unfounded claims14:56
\n3p\Timvde, and it's known if could kill animals. Tigers in NY tested positive14:56
Oblomov81of how really terrible this is14:56
AimHereOblomov81, The exact figures of the number of cases is unknown. It is clear that this disease is killing lots of people14:56
Oblomov81\n3p\ thats completely irrelevant 14:56
AimHereIt's swamping the health services of western cities14:57
DeerkHello14:57
Oblomov81no its not clear14:57
AimHereIt's forcing countries to dig mass graves14:57
DeerkSo I got outsmarted by a mouse14:57
DeerkWho proceeded to move his whole family in14:57
DeerkI've been told to come here14:57
DeerkApparently they can transmit to humans14:57
DeerkIs this true?14:57
AimHereIt's doing this in a short space of time - maybe a month or so14:57
ecovyes Deerk it'd be a good idea to quarantine  everyone in the house14:58
ecovincluding the mice14:58
AimHereAnd right now it's a leading cause of death in the worst-hit countries, if not *the* leading cause of death14:58
\n3p\Oblomov81, it's not irrelevant because pets could be and probably are a VECTOR of propagation 14:58
livebraineven with "lockdown" or social distance norms hospitals are colapsing14:58
livebrainsaying that this virus is not a threat is really not understanding whats going on14:59
AimHereDespite the measures people are taking to slow it down14:59
DeerkSo @ecov just to be clear when I was told by people in #freenode that mice have been confirmed to give the virus to humans they were trolling14:59
Oblomov81You are a crisis actor. You are part of the problem. creating unnecessary mass hysteria. in china were the problem started this are going back to normal, cities in a whole continent Africa arent even experienced this "crisis".   14:59
ynhof[m]I want to make some covid bots15:00
AimHereChina has locked down for about 3 months, which is why it's going back to normal15:00
livebrainOblomov81: africa is a poor country with almost no tourism15:00
AimHereAfrica hasn't been hit *yet* because it has far less testing and far less global travel15:00
livebrainit makes sense that for them its going to take longer to have the virus 15:00
ynhof[m]A covid thermal imaging drone woukd be cool15:00
livebrainand you cant really just see the oficial numbers15:00
livebrainlook at the number of deaths15:00
DeerkOk well then I guess I'll just find out the hard way thanks for the info everyone, pls stay healthy and safe15:01
livebraina country with low oficial cases means they arent testing enough15:01
ynhof[m]%data New Zealand15:01
Brainstormynhof[m]: In all areas, New Zealand, there are 1312 cases, 4 deaths (0.3% of cases), 422 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Zealand for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 0.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries).15:01
Oblomov81livebrain you need to do some serious research. those comments are deplorable and reflect huge amount of ignorance and misinformation  15:01
livebrainOblomov81: are you a troll ?15:02
Oblomov81are you?15:02
livebrainwhat serious research is that ?15:02
livebrainyour opinion ?15:02
Oblomov81no you idiot im african15:02
ynhof[m]Be nice to each other15:02
Oblomov81ever heard of victoria falls?15:02
livebraindo you live in africa ?15:02
\n3p\Info from many countries are not comparable because level of testing and quality of testing is very different. Also corrupt countries try to hide the true numbers of deaths15:02
Oblomov81im done with you livebrain15:02
ecovOblomov81 bringing a level of common sense to this channel15:03
livebrainOblomov81: you are oblivous a troll15:03
AimHereIP checks out, he's apparently IRCing from Zimbabwe. Doesn't make him any more right though15:03
Oblomov81\n3p\ ok15:03
Oblomov81lol15:03
ynhof[m]You can return 0 without scorched earth policy yknow15:03
Oblomov81and it makes you right? AimHere or him15:04
livebrainin a few weeks we will talk about african being imune 15:04
ynhof[m]XD15:05
livebrainif countries with money are struggling with testing 15:05
livebrainsome random african country is able to test with problems15:05
livebrainthat makes ALOT of sense15:05
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:57 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: Matt Hancock under fire over PPE comments - live updates → https://is.gd/KXJF0915:06
Oblomov81i have first hand information i have been practially all over the south part of the continent. and to say that africans are poor and there is barely any tourrism to speak of show and utter complete lack of the most rudimentary kind of understanding and exposure of other places beyound your back yard. 15:06
Oblomov81shows an*15:06
livebrainOblomov81: im sorry if you got triggered by the truth15:07
DeerkHowdy, I hate to bother you all mid convo but would anyone please be able to answer my question because while I am slightly concerned I do believe I've been trolled but I'd like t know for sure15:07
livebrainbut sticking your head in the sand is not helpfull15:07
Oblomov81lol the only turth here is your juvenile ignorance. south africa has probably better health care than italy and most other eastern european countries. 15:08
livebrainthats why they want to leave15:08
livebrainbecause they are rich15:08
livebrainmakes sense yes15:09
Oblomov81lol15:09
Oblomov81where are you from if you dont mind me asking?15:09
livebrainhave you ever been to europe ?15:09
livebrainim from a country that had some colonies in africa, and most of them want to came here 15:09
livebrainand my country is poor15:10
livebrainso... 15:10
Deerk:(15:10
Oblomov81okay15:10
livebrainyou have no idea really15:10
ubLIXDeerk: they might just have sent you here because they supposed someone here might know; the answer is "it is not likely anyone yet knows a definitive answer to that question - just act accordingly"15:10
livebrainin "normal" times you can take a flight for spain/germany15:10
livebrainand within 2 hours you are there15:10
livebrainfor 50 euros15:10
DeerkI'm aware, but if you don't know pleas still allow me to ask if it's ok15:11
livebrainyou can travel easy without spending alot of money in almost all europe15:11
livebrain30 euros to go france by plane15:11
Oblomov81apparently the education system over there leaves alot to be desired 15:12
DeerkA family of mice forcefully moved into this place last night, I was told that there have been confirmed cases of mice -> human transmission. I'm pretty sure this is a troll since I've been keeping up to date and I'm almost positive it's only human to human but it was more than 1 person so I did want to ask just in case any of you may have heard of15:12
Deerkthat15:12
AimHereSouth Africa did the right thing and shut the country down pretty much before the virus got anywhere near it. Putting it up as an example of 'the virus threat is overstated, don't panic' kindof misses the point. They were the most panicked country out there15:12
livebrainthats why they came here to study15:12
livebrainwith funding 15:12
livebrainbecause the education sucks... makes sense also15:12
bingbotboomok this room has seen some expotential expansion since last I was here15:14
livebrainand my country had "lower" numbers, until we decided to test more15:15
DeerkFuck it if I die because of a mouse i was destined for it15:15
DeerkGod speed, stay safe15:15
livebrainwithin a day we saw a rise in 1500 infected15:15
DeerkGood day everyone15:15
bingbotboom%data australia15:15
Brainstormbingbotboom: In all areas, Australia, there are 6292 cases, 56 deaths (0.9% of cases), 3265 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries).15:15
bingbotboomHi15:16
ubLIXhi bingbotboom 15:17
ecrockz123@bingbotboom Hi15:17
bingbotboomYeah we shifted the curve but word on the street is this thing can reinfect15:17
ecrockz123%data india15:17
Brainstormecrockz123: In all areas, India, there are 7876 cases, 249 deaths (3.2% of cases), 774 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.15:17
bingbotboomyour 1.3 billion, Australia is 25 million or so15:18
ubLIXbingbotboom: word on the information superhighway is that it is reasonable to expect some duration of immunity15:19
bingbotboomthough testing is bollocks15:19
bingbotboomIve heard alot of rubbish so excuse me if I check your assertion15:20
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1476 cases (now 1718336) since 50 minutes ago — Saudi Arabia: +382 cases (now 4033) since 50 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +376 cases (now 3736) since 50 minutes ago15:21
ubLIXit is perhaps too soon to have a wide perspective on how successfully this new virus is typically cleared from the body - failure to take convalescence seriously, leading to viral rebound is perhaps more likely than outright reinfection; but of course, some one seriously weakened by a severe illness with an exhausted immune system would be vulnerable to fresh doses of virus15:26
ubLIXwith adequate time for recovery, some immunity is a reasonable expectation15:28
bingbotboomdoesnt it nuke the immune system15:29
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:23 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Lombardia → https://is.gd/2FBncu15:30
bingbotboomergo Search Results15:30
bingbotboomWeb results15:30
bingbotboomCytokine storm15:30
ubLIXa cytokine storm is an extreme overreaction of the immune system15:32
bingbotboomIt destroys the host15:32
BrainstormUpdates for World: +5250 cases (now 1723586), +920 deaths (now 104846) since 19 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +5233 cases (now 78991), +917 deaths (now 9875) since 19 minutes ago15:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak swamps NYC 911 system, virus ravages storied New Orleans Mardi Gras group → https://is.gd/qopNVC15:42
DeerkHowdy, you guys still fighting?15:53
DeerkI found the answer to the quesstion I had about mice, before15:54
DeerkAt least, in terms of them getting it15:54
Deerkhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323317/15:54
DeerkMost likely if they can get it, like other disease it's possible (even if it's a small chance) that they can spread it as well15:54
DeerkJust wanted to let everyone know15:54
DeerkGoodbye 15:55
Deerkhttps://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html15:56
Deerk"Coronaviruses that infect animals can sometimes be spread to people, but this is rare.15:57
Deerk"We do not have evidence that companion animals, including pets, can spread COVID-19 to people or that they might be a source of infection in the United States.15:57
DeerkSo from the sounds of it, it's rare but still technically possible15:58
ubLIXyes, absence of evidence doesn't been evidence of absence. it remains an open question15:59
\n3p\be careful with your pets15:59
DeerkI agree, I only came back to share what I found,, it appears to be incredibly rare but then again like this whole virus that can change16:00
DeerkHowever at the moment that's the info on the cdc website16:01
ubLIX*mean16:01
ecovNavajo Nation is getting hit real hard16:01
\n3p\Deerk, That probably is information from other coronavirus. With this one we don't know yet.16:01
ecovhttps://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/following-outbreak-of-covid-19-navajo-nation-to-go-on-lockdown-for-57-hours/5698036/16:02
DeerkIf you open the link it literally says in bold letters COVID-1916:02
\n3p\How the tigers of NY get CV?16:02
DeerkCheck the link, covn-2019 is in there16:02
Deerkthe actual url16:02
MjrTomThere are several reports of pets testing positive for cov216:02
DeerkSo it's in regards to the latest one, not the entire family but the also do speak of other strains or just the family in general16:02
ubLIXDeerk: right, but the first link referred to sars-1, not sars-cov-216:03
DeerkOh, sorry16:03
DeerkThat is my bad16:03
mefistofeles\n3p\: from a people working there, of course16:03
DeerkYes ok, you're entirely correct that was a silly mistake on my end16:03
DeerkI apologize16:03
ubLIXit's ok. generalising from other coronaviruses is sensible enough, as far as it goes16:03
mefistofeless/people/person16:03
DeerkI don't know anything about viruses but I assume it's reasonable for them to learn based of other coronaviruses however idk the extent to which one strain can mutate in regards to making the others useless for research16:04
\n3p\mefistofeles, then the same could be true from animals to humans. 16:04
DeerkJesus christ wtf did I just say16:04
DeerkLet me try engish16:05
MjrTomAlso there's at least speculation that animal fur can be a fomite16:05
DeerkIf the virus mutates enough is it possible that using other viruses in the coronavirus family become almost useless for research?16:05
Oblomov81The one thing you learn from interacting with people over the web is you finally see what actually is and is not about people. You know their unattenuated personas, and a mire basic psychoanalysis leds you to believe that black or what. african or american. atheist or Zionist or shamanistic belief. deep down we are all worshipers. science is just16:05
Oblomov81another dogma as we ourselves are neither capable of actually testing these so called facts of bosons, quacks or in this case the apocalyptic virus. the denominator isnt that we are all equal or human since that is still debatable.no the common thing is we are all just idiots, complacent and docile but to self satisfied and self involved to admit16:05
Oblomov81this, its much easier to call the next person full of shit and uninformed than actually examining what they have to say without prejudice or prejudgment. Honestly i think in this period of an explosion of information overdose its a paradox to even imagine there can ever be any coherence or factual deductive thinking. the internet is the ultimate16:05
Oblomov81tower of babel and Godel's theory will not reign truer any other time than now.  16:05
\n3p\Deerk, better be careful than sorry.16:05
DeerkOf course, but we do the best we can16:05
livebrain" its much easier to call the next person full of shit and uninformed"16:06
livebraini could go and copy/past some lines above16:06
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 13:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain in ‘stabilisation phase’ but US sees 2,000 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/15mkND16:06
livebrainnow and it would be quite ironic that statement16:06
Oblomov81the virus isnt the danger nor are nuclear warheads or fascism on the raise .human stupidty is and we are all infected 16:07
DeerkOh, you're the one who was arguing16:07
DeerkIdk who it was with16:07
DeerkHow'd it go16:07
Oblomov81fuck everyone here and good luck16:07
livebrainlol16:07
DeerkI tihnk it was livebrain actually but I'm not entirely sure16:07
DeerkWell16:07
DeerkThat was not nice at all16:07
DeerkDon't blame him16:08
DeerkWe're all under stress16:08
MjrTomThe entire world's population over age 5 is infected with at least one herpes virus, and so are most from age several months to 5yo16:09
DeerkWell the difference is this one can appear ot cause lots of potential death16:09
ecovMjrTom: younger if youre catholic16:09
ecovZING16:09
ecovsorry16:09
DeerkIdk about you guys but here the best case scenario is 11-22k deaths16:09
Deerkworst case is 300k16:09
MjrTomPractically everybody from adolescence has Epstein-Barr virus16:09
DeerkIn the whole country, according to our pm16:10
mefistofelesDeerk: where is that?16:10
izDeerk: which country?16:10
DeerkThe sane version of america with less freedom16:10
DeerkAnd slightly north on the map16:10
livebrainusa numbers are crazy16:10
izoh, eh?16:10
livebrain500 000 cases ?16:10
DeerkI ncan't begin to image NY16:10
DeerkYa eh!16:10
ecovUSA is testing like a motherfucker, though16:10
izyeah16:10
ecovyou think africa has no cases or they arent testing?16:11
Deerk@iz You ever watch letterkenny16:11
MjrTomSo yes, we are all infected. Becoming infected with viruses is an ordinary part of life16:11
mefistofelesecov: they aren't testing as much16:11
mefistofelessame latin america16:11
\n3p\ecov,  not really. 2m -> 2/330 16:11
ecovlatin america's numbers would be insane if they tested16:11
mefistofelesecov: not as high as the USA, anyways16:11
izDeerk: nope, but i've heard of it before and confused it w/ kenny vs spenny before :b16:12
\n3p\ecov, yes that is true. Specially Mexico is a disaster. 16:12
ecovecuador has bodies in the street but no testing16:12
LjLTV investigative journalism program claims (quite reasonably) that deaths in Lombardy, at least the hard hit parts, are probably about twice the official number, after looking at normal vs current mortality. This can include deaths from other causes but those other causes would be in turn precipitated by COVID-19. Also, nursing home patients where there have obvious outbreaks haven't been tested, nor has the personnel.16:12
MjrTomYeah I'm seriously worried for Mexico16:12
mefistofelesecov: that's not entirely true, Ecuador is testing more than others, but yeah, still not enough at all16:12
mefistofelesecov: and the bodies in the street are not exclusively related to covid deaths, fwiw16:12
izthey are saying hospital admissions are down in nyc, so maybe that is good news, but i'm hesitant to be too optimistic right away16:13
\n3p\MjrTom, Mexico City is a time bomb 16:13
MjrTomI know ;((16:13
Deerkiz I've never seen that actually16:13
DeerkDefinitely heard of it16:13
MjrTomUSA really needs to get our shit together so that we will be able to go save Mexico16:13
bingbotboomIndia and Africa kaboom16:13
mefistofeleslol16:14
DeerkThe ony canadian thing I can use to relate to you is trailer park boys and even then everyone else has seen it so I'm sorry bud16:14
DeerkI tried16:14
izDeerk: i've only seen an episode or two and it's kinda dumb :b16:14
DeerkOr poutine16:14
MjrTomWhen you say Africa, are you referring to the whole continent?16:14
DeerkIf you like poutine I can spend a while talking about that16:14
DeerkOther than nothing16:14
izyeah, i know trailer park boys, and actually my generation kinda dug kids in the hall16:14
mefistofelesiz: USA in general is showing consistent signs of slowdown16:14
mefistofelesfwiw16:15
MjrTomIndia is such a wild card, with wild potential for terrible catastrophe16:15
\n3p\India could be disaster. High density urban areas. Poverty and not many hospitals16:15
izmefistofeles: yup, i'm still hesitant to be too optimistic16:15
MjrTomBrazil is pretty likely to be fucked16:15
DeerkWe're all kind of in a similar situation now iz, however as bad as it gets once it's over you'll get your chance to get out16:15
izi have this feeling too many ppl will hear that and be like welp, shelter-in-place is over now, we won, everyone go outside now16:15
DeerkOr anyone else16:15
\n3p\Yes. Sao Paulo and Rio specially are a big risk16:15
livebrainevery poor country with an high density population is kida screwed16:16
DeerkHonestly, I haven't slept since 11pm and it;'s 10am and I can tell I'm way too tired to irc16:16
DeerkI'm going to sleep16:16
Deerkwith the mce because I stll cant get them out16:16
bingbotboomSierra Leone, Uganda, yeh all those places with poor healthcare16:16
DeerkSo the mouse wins16:16
DeerkGoodnight16:16
iznight Deerk 16:16
ubLIXnot sleeping probably is more dangerous than the mice, good night16:17
DeerkOne quick thing16:17
MjrTomPortugal and Argentina both took significant action probably about as early as practical16:17
DeerkReading what that guy wrote again16:17
DeerkThere's no way he wasn't a troll16:17
DeerkI hope you realize that16:17
DeerkThe one thing you learn from interacting with people over the web is you finally see what actually is and is not about people. You know their unattenuated personas, and a mire basic psychoanalysis leds you to believe that black or what. african or american. atheist or Zionist or shamanistic belief. deep down we are all worshipers. science is just16:17
Deerkanother dogma as we ourselves are neither capable of actually testing these so called facts of bosons, quacks or in this case the apocalyptic virus. the denominator isnt that we are all equal or human since that is still debatable.no the common thing is we are all just idiots, complacent and docile but to self satisfied and self involved to admit16:17
Deerkthis, its much easier to call the next person full of shit and uninformed than actually examining what they have to say without prejudice or prejudgment. Honestly i think in this period of an explosion of information overdose its a paradox to even imagine there can ever be any coherence or factual deductive thinking. the internet is the ultimate16:17
Deerktower of babel and Godel's theory will not reign truer any other time than now.  16:17
livebrainbut portugal is struggling with testing 16:17
MjrTomI think he was just having a sort of fun16:17
DeerkIf this isn't a troll he'll make millions become famous writing copypastas16:17
ubLIXDeerk: ...16:18
ubLIXgo to sleep16:18
livebrainthe 2 needed tests for being negative (after the virus)16:18
livebrainthey do one16:18
livebrainand miss the second16:18
DeerkWhat are you my internet guardian16:18
DeerkBut ya sure16:18
DeerkGood night16:18
DeerkI probably will never be back, take care16:18
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 14:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: New York City → https://is.gd/GkD5NB16:18
aradeshUSA very close to #1 death toll16:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak swamps NYC 911 system, virus ravages storied New Orleans Mardi Gras group → https://is.gd/qopNVC16:31
BrainstormUpdates for World: +2820 cases (now 1726406), +103 deaths (now 104949) since an hour ago — US: +2060 cases (now 505237), +89 deaths (now 18850) since an hour ago — Maryland, US: +726 cases (now 7694) since an hour ago16:36
aradeshseems an area of germany did extensive testing and found only a 0.37% fatality rate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1wkV2IzR_U16:40
aradeshwhich is good news 16:40
hemimaniac !corona16:40
CoronaBotTotal cases: 1,725,126 (+26,291), deaths: 104,878 (+2,194), recovered: 390,107. Active cases: 1,230,141, 1,180,140 are in a mild condition, 50,001 are in a serious condition. Mortality: 6.08%, case fatality rate: 21.19%. Case rate: 94,629/24h, death rate: 6,973/24h. Last update: 5m ago.16:40
hemimaniac !corona CA16:41
CoronaBotCanada: Global rank: #13, cases: 22,148, fatalities: 569, active cases: 15,566, total recovered: 6,013, in a serious condition: 557. Mortality: 2.57%, case fatality rate: 8.64%, cases/1M: 587.0, deaths/1M: 15.0. Case rate: 1,383/24h, death rate: 60/24h. Tests: 383,322, tests/1M: 10,156.16:41
CoronaBotCalifornia: State rank: #4, cases: 21,374 (+301), fatalities: 598 (+14), active cases: 19,836, mortality: 2.80%. Cases/1M: 546, deaths/1M: 15. Tests: 164,863, tests/1M: 4,211.16:41
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 14:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain in ‘stabilisation phase’ but US sees 2,000 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/15mkND16:43
aradesheven if we had 0.37% fatality rate in the UK, and 70% of the UK got the virus, assuming a population of 66 million, that would still be 170,000+ deaths16:46
Jigsyhttps://metro.co.uk/2020/04/09/police-threaten-search-shopping-trolleys-check-buying-essentials-12532339/16:46
Jigsy%title16:46
BrainstormJigsy: From metro.co.uk: Coronavirus UK: Police threaten to search public's shopping trolleys | Metro News16:46
DeerkI've decided to not sleep16:47
aradeshDeerk: insomnia?16:48
DeerkOh, no16:49
DeerkLast today to buy a mouse trpa16:49
Deerktrap16:49
DeerkBefore easter16:49
DeerkFigured what the hell I should probably do it16:49
DeerkAnd I'm lonely16:49
LjLsame TV show as before showing Wuhan metro stations, slowly reopening, where you are required to scan a QR code on your smartphone, and then wait for a green light while youre health certificate is being checked. then this person had a backpack and it had to go through x-ray machine before reaching the platform. similar to take a bus, you scan QR, it says you're green, and you also get to see that the bus itself (with information about it like the plate 16:50
LjLnumber) is green16:50
redpyramidthing|so the virus looks like an excuse to enforce mass surveilance there16:51
DeerkIn this case it's necessary but ya everyone is slowly coming to terms with this being ok16:52
LjLi wouldn't say it's an excuse. it's a pretty valid reason, and it's being done to various extent in most of Europe and other places as well16:52
DeerkHowever, even though this is necessary16:52
LjLthere is certainly a concern that these measures will continue indefinitely16:52
DeerkThere's nothing to say for sure they will stop when things get back to normal16:52
DeerkI bet it will, fyi16:53
Deerkby they I mean any govt, not china in specific16:53
Deerk@LjL over here they have some web-based system they use to track not coronavirus patients, btu relatives16:53
DeerkTo see if they develop symptoms16:54
Deerklet me get you a link to the article16:54
LjLapps for that sort of thing (tracking both quarantined patients and contacts) are being made/reviewed in the EU... but i bet they'll come way late, due to EU bureaucracy16:54
Deerkhttps://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-asks-people-to-use-new-web-app-to-track-covid-19-cases-throughout-the-city-1.488150616:55
DeerkIt's not unusual for something like this to exist if you think about it, sure. But I'm very surprised they were allowed to just use this and keep it secret till it was already up and running16:55
DeerkNormally I don't think anyone here would be ok with it16:55
LjLDeerk, it's easy to slip things under the rug when people are more concerned with more immediate concerns16:59
DeerkOk well LjL the article I linked doesn't say what I told you it did16:59
LjLyeah it was very generic16:59
DeerkI was positive it was for tracking relatives, but I'm going to assume I either misunderstood or just remember wrong17:00
DeerkSorry17:00
Deerkhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-public-health-update-friday-1.552099117:00
DeerkHere's a more deailed one but still, doesn't say what I said it was talking about17:00
LjLanyway Lombardy used cell masts to track people, which, i mean, phone operators are doing all the time, but normally they don't tell the government the details without a warrant17:00
LjLsee also https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/17:00
LjLalthough this is reasonably anonymous17:00
DeerkTracking the spread of the virus will require tracking the population17:02
DeerkThat's not the issue17:02
DeerkMy undersatnding was tracking relatives and others relation to confirmed cases based on relation17:02
DeerkThat17:02
DeerkThat's picking and choosing who gets their rights violated17:02
DeerkBut apparently I was wrong about that17:05
DeerkI can't find that article17:05
DeerkIt';s possible it was satire17:05
LjLwell isolating relatives is standard protocol for sick patients i think17:05
LjLunless they can *show* they weren't incontact17:05
LjLso, it's kind of similar even without apps17:05
DeerkThat is true17:06
pwr22!compare uk;italy17:06
pwr22We've almost caught up LjL !17:06
pwr22Also, Cov Bot should be sending notices now (assuming the bridge honours them)17:06
DeerkAlso there's this. I agree with having fines for this but I feel like the fine they can give is harsh17:08
Deerkhttps://globalnews.ca/news/6804626/coronavirus-police-verifying-quarantine-order/17:08
Deerkthe RCMP said on Friday, warning that “recklessly” failing to comply could result in a $1-million fine and three years in prison.17:08
DeerkThat's worst case17:09
Deerk"The maximum fine for failing to comply with the quarantine is $750,000 and up to six months in prison, but those who put others at risk could face harsher penalties: up to a $1-million levy and three years imprisonment."17:09
DeerkMore detialed17:09
DeerkPretty much it appears to be completely relevant to if you put anyone else at dangers and what the context of you breaking quarantine was17:09
DeerkAlso what I don't like is the govt here is talking about re-open the economy as soon as may4th17:12
DeerkCompletely seeming to disregard the fact that we're the epicenter and maybe a month ago that same govt was begging for quarantine17:12
ubLIXyou're in montreal?17:13
LjLpwr22, it is, although that means that !compare sends a grand total of 6 notices, instead of one "long link"17:13
LjLwhich is a bit... much17:13
pwr22Eh, how come? It should still be just one message17:15
LjLpwr22, maybe the bridge doesn't do that for notices?17:15
pwr22Definitely one message on the matrix side17:15
LjLpwr22, when there's \n in Matrix, that gets translated into several messages on IRC, with the exception that above a certain number of lines, it becomes a URL17:15
DeerkI am, yes ubLIX17:15
DeerkAre you?17:15
ubLIXscotland17:16
DeerkIs it bad where you are?17:16
pwr22I guess does something weird17:16
pwr22LjL: yeah sounds like the long message stuff isn't working the same for `m.notice`17:17
Deerkhttps://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/coronavirus-live-updates-canada-tops-20000-cases-500-deaths/17:17
pwr22On the matrix size notices are greyed out and don't cause notifications17:17
DeerkCan confirm I got the pamphlet, saw there was no english then completely forgot about it up until now17:17
ubLIXgeneral lock down; no travel save for essential work, food, and pharmacy; hospitals seem to be struggling a bit17:17
LjLpwr22, also there are two messages that are just "```", at the beginning and end. is that being sent by the bot or just the bridge using it to delimit? (i don't have riot open right now)17:17
pwr22Is that the same standard as in IRC?17:18
Guest3767!compare uk17:18
DeerkSame here in terms of the lockdown but we got pot stores too17:18
DeerkI don't smoke the devils lettuce so idc either way17:19
ecrockz123If china was isolated intially then rest of world would be safe 17:19
DeerkYes, but17:19
DeerkThey would have it much worse17:19
pwr22I'd better change it back to `m.text` for tables for now then17:19
DeerkI don't entirely blame them for the way they handled it but that's not saying they're innocent17:19
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cina → https://is.gd/RqFRBO17:19
DeerkOk now it's actually time to go, take care17:20
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1912 cases (now 1728318) since 48 minutes ago — US: +771 cases (now 506008) since 48 minutes ago — Florida, US: +526 cases (now 18494) since 48 minutes ago17:21
pwr22<LjL "pwr22, also there are two messag"> It's markdown17:21
pwr22Means the bridge is using the fallback (and badly)17:22
LjLpwr22, NOTICEs are quirky and variable on IRC. at least one person has complained before about NOTICEs being used by Brainstorm (Synapsestorm). but if i DON'T use NOTICEs, then people on the Matrix side complain, instead17:22
pwr22lol17:22
LjLpwr22, NOTICEs were originally created for the express purpose of bots using them. however that never really became common on IRC. on Matrix they resurrected the idea and people actually expect it17:22
LjLpwr22, but on IRC now, depending on your client, notices may be hidden away in the status window on one extreme, but on the other, cause an unconditional highlight17:23
pwr22Yeah, I've had people complain at me that Cov Bot doesn't do notices17:23
steeriofor me it's the opposite, they stand out. I actually came back to my desktop while making coffee to check out why I got so many notices17:24
LjLpwr22, that's because Matrix client tend to have a checkbox that specifically says "hide / don't highlight on messages from bots", and that is, of course, based on them being m.notice17:24
steerioI think notices are fine as long as they are sent to those that the information personally concerns (i.e. regards them in some way or was requested by them)17:24
steeriobut a scenario where anyone can trigger a channel notice is weird to me personally17:25
\n3p\LjL IRC have changed very little in the past 25 years. Many years were only a draft. It's like a half baked protocol but I like it.17:25
steerio(on IRC since 1996)17:25
LjLsteerio, i knoy but if you read the RFC it's actually clear that NOTICEs were the mechanism envisioned for bots (although they didn't call them "bots"), mainly so that bots could *ignore* NOTICEs from each other, avoiding certain bad accidents which do happen, involving bot loops ;(17:26
pwr22I'll put a special case in where if the IRC bot is in the room then it doesn't use a notice17:26
steerioLjL: that's a fair reasoning from this perspective17:27
pwr22Also try to get the IRC bridge fixed to do multiline notices17:27
steerioon the other hand, on a large channel where people request information from bots often, that would mean quote the notice noise17:28
LjLpwr22, i still think having your bot muted on the IRC side and mine muted on the Matrix side would not be so terrible. mutes don't carry on across the bridge, so it shouldn't create access list issues, and also, your bot is often very slow on IRC due to matrix.org being overloaded, so if i just changed my bot to accept ! it would be pretty transparent17:28
steerio*quite17:28
LjLsteerio, yeah, that results from the way NOTICEs were eventually implemented in IRC clients. in the RFC itself it says pretty much "NOTICEs are the same as PRIVMSG except for bots"17:28
LjLparaphrasing17:28
pwr22I prefer to let people use whichever bot they want, It gets a fair number of requests from IRC users for instance17:29
pwr22And it's useful if one is down that we can get to the other17:29
steerioLjL: agreed. but that creates a status quo that one cannot ignore.17:29
LjLyeah. i do have the feeling eventually Matrix and IRC will throw a tantrum at each other and disable bridging17:30
steeriothat reminds me of what HTML used to be like 15-20 years ago (that sort of improved)17:30
\n3p\steerio, did you started in IRC with Comic Chat?  I did in 1996 with it.  17:30
steeriomy first client was bitchx, I had a shell access at the time (no PPP)17:31
\n3p\o privileged users17:31
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:27 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Trump to launch 'Opening our Country' task force, as global deaths pass 100,000 → https://is.gd/Riwa1717:32
steerioyou'd dial up straight to a terminal, much like how you used BBSes. then you'd _telnet_ to some other host that actually gave you freedom to do stuff.17:32
steeriogood times.17:32
\n3p\steerio, CompuServe and later AOL17:32
l0ndonerI remember being number 203 in a queue waiting to download mp3 over DCC 17:33
steerio:D17:33
\n3p\lol17:33
steerioI actually remember my first ever mp3. I got it over IRC, unsurprisingly, but my computer was not performant enough to play it.17:33
\n3p\I remember been fist 1000 users in ICQ 17:33
steerioafter a while I figured out how to convert it to wav to be able to actually listen to it.17:34
l0ndonerdamn irc is old ... I forgot about all that17:34
l0ndonerlol17:34
\n3p\ICQ was cool at that time. Now messengers are comon 17:34
steeriowell all that makes us old too, eh?17:35
\n3p\Flood in IRC was a real problem back then. 9600 dial-up connections suffer 17:36
l0ndonerI dont miss the dialup tone lol17:36
\n3p\The handshake was exiting but the low speed was pain17:37
\n3p\exciting 17:38
Guest3767!compare uk;us17:38
\n3p\pIRCh included video back then 1996 17:39
Guest3767Err.... *checks logs*17:39
aradeshpriti patel doing our coronavirus briefing today17:40
aradesh21% in crime since lockdown17:42
aradeshdrop*17:42
pwr22!compare uk;us17:42
pwr22Ok LjL, no notices on IRC but it will use them in pure matrix rooms17:43
LjLpwr22, and it's back to a long message URL17:43
pwr22Yep 🙂 17:43
pwr22IMO that table should not be shown inline in IRC17:44
LjLpwr22, yeah multiple lines like that are a bit of a no no on IRC... but also, since it's sending a URL, it could do the extra step and actually parse the markdown17:45
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 15:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NHS workers' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA → https://is.gd/BSBvyr17:49
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 16:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Comunque una diminuzione di persone in terapia intensiva e ricoverato in ospedale. → https://is.gd/eaTUP918:06
LjL"comunque"? that doesn't sound promising18:06
LjLAggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 10 Aprile18:06
LjLTotali (total) 152271 (+4694)18:06
LjLPositivi Attivi (active cases) 100269 (+1996)18:06
LjLGuariti (healed) 32534 (+2079)18:06
LjLDeceduti (deaths) 19468 (+619) 18:06
LjLi don't remember what yesterday's new case count was, but it was close to this. we just don't seem to be getting consistently down18:07
LjLmay partly be due to more testing ability, since deaths *are* going down somewhat18:08
LjLItaly's daily Civil Protection press conference scheduled for 18 CEST at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H40_sLeLVUQ - I will take notes as usual.18:08
\n3p\Yesterday  Italy 147,577 +3,951 18,849 +570 18:09
BrainstormUpdates for Lombardia, Italy: +1544 cases (now 57592), +273 deaths (now 10511) since a day ago — Piemonte, Italy: +996 cases (now 16008), +101 deaths (now 1633) since a day ago — Emilia-Romagna, Italy: +507 cases (now 19635), +84 deaths (now 2481) since a day ago18:09
LjL(Borrelli) Good evening. Today we have 100269, +1996 from yesterday. Pressure on hospitals is still going down, and we have 3881 ICU patients, -116, and 28144 hospitalized, -98, while most positive people are self-isolating, 68774 (69%).18:10
LjLWe have +619 deaths, and +2069 recoveries.18:10
LjLThe trend shows +4694 new cases.18:10
LjLWe made 963473 tests, +56609.18:11
LjLWe have 117 million in donations, which are being used for purchasing PPEs and ventilators, and we've spent 25 million so far.18:11
LjLWe have 20616 volunteers, the most since the start of the emergency.18:11
LjL88 nurses have been taken to Bergamo today, and another group has reached Abruzzo and Marche. This is an important sign of solidarity.18:12
LjLThanks to cooperation between the Carabinieri and Poste Italiane, we delivered some pension payments directly at people's homes.18:13
LjLA 94 year old person recovered from the virus in Rome. I think this is the best way to wish you all a happy Easter.18:13
LjLThanks, please Prof. Villani.18:13
Jigsy%cases world18:14
BrainstormJigsy: In all areas, World, there are 1728883 cases, 105799 deaths (6.1% of cases), 390628 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.18:14
ecksthat's a lot of new cases :l18:15
LjL(Villani) My task here is to update you on the situation on children. In people between 0 and 18 years of age, only a little more than 2000 have been diagnosed with COVID-19. Cases are uniformly distributed among age groups, except in the 12-18 group which has about 900. But there have been only 44 hospitalizations in babies, and about 30 in other age groups. About 7% of pediatric patients are hospitalized. We also don't have critical patients.18:15
LjLThis is true in Italy, and I'd like to highlight this because it is thanks to the excellent management and the population staying home, because if we had more cases, children could be worse affected too, and Italy is going particularly well in this.18:16
\n3p\Mexican Hospital ER Director Dies from Coronavirus https://is.gd/cAIZj418:18
LjL[Many details about pediatrics situations that are not directly related to COVID-19]18:18
LjL(Borrelli) Thank you. Questions now?18:21
LjLQ: A question for each one of you. You talked about short timeframes for vaccination, but what does "short" mean? A year, 18 months?18:21
LjLA: "Short" means this: normally, to get to a vaccine that can be put on the market, it takes 2-3 years if all goes well. I think in this circumstances, it will be much shorter, it's hard to say exactly but they'll be much shorter.18:22
LjLQ: In these past few days a dramatic situation emerged in nursing homes, both about patients and operators. In some cases, it resulted in lack of assistance to patients in need. Can the Civil Protection support these dramatic realities?18:22
LjLA: We've been taking care of nursing homes for several days, and the Civil Protection is helping. A part of the nurses we went to Bergamo today went to nursing homes. We call for army intervention when needed, and our volunteer organizations provide additional personnel too. This is in addition to what the regions can normally provide.18:23
LjLQ: In these past few days we've been staying at home more with children. Are there any suggestions you can give for living a longer time with children?18:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy to set up 'immunity passports,' outbreak swamps NYC 911 system → https://is.gd/qopNVC18:25
LjLA: We have suggestions on our website, and an important thing is optimizing time. We've realized in the past few years that parents weren't spending enough time with their children. This crisis is an opportunity to change that, to teach good habits to younger children, organize their day as if they were going to school (no waking up late)... and as to teenagers, we've been surprised by their maturity; they were already used to communicating through 18:25
LjLtechnology. We should reflect on parenting, and previous lack of time to be spent together.18:25
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Experts say there cannot be a reopening of the U.S. economy without mass testing (10796 votes) | https://redd.it/fz43tf18:26
LjLQ: Dr Borrelli, Lombardy's situation is problematic again. Together, an investigation started on a nursing home in Milan. In your opinion, how does Lombardy compare to other data?18:26
LjLA: I can say some regions are hit harder than others. The data we are getting tell us that we must not lower our guard, as we have not defeated the virus. We must all adopt responsible behaviors, and I think we're on the right path in Lombardy as well.18:27
LjLQ: First, Gallera in Lombardy said a 14-day quarantine may not be enough, and they'll use a 24(?) day quarantine. Another thing is a man died at 62, after posting on Facebook begging to be tested. We know many people who are probably positive but cannot get tested. If we have so much testing now, how is this possible?18:28
LjLA: About the first question I think it's very important to notice that sometimes things that are positive are seen as negative. If new decrees are made, it means there are new elements, new data, new expert advice, and we should not be surprised if something changes. On tests, I am not familiar with that specific case, but we are living an extraordinary emergency; sometimes I'm surprised that this is not fully considered. I am pleasantly surprised by the 18:30
LjL"miracles" that happen on a daily basis. It's hard for me to imagine more being done, because I see an exceptional effort. What I can say with reasonable certainty is that testing and diagnostics is discussed not daily, but multiple times a day.18:30
ggz /topic flood channel18:30
LjLQ: I was curious about kids having to stay home for a long time still. We're hearing about children who cannot stand staying home anymore. How can we recover from this later?18:30
ggzLjL: are you drunk ?18:31
mefistofelesggz: he's translating a press conference happening live18:31
ggzmefistofeles: every day ?18:32
mefistofelesggz: every day18:32
underscoreggz: yes, it's useful information18:32
LjLA: Clearly, staying home is critical. The role of parents is very important. I know it's very difficult, but children are calm if parents are calm. Let's make use of yards and terraces... while respecting all the rules, we must take advantage of every allowed opportunity. Kids have wonderful resources, and we must take all the positives from it.18:32
mefistofeleswell, almost every day, tbh18:32
underscorehi mefistofeles18:32
mefistofelesunderscore: hey18:32
LjLggz, do you have something more COVID-related to say than asking me if i'm drunk, to balance the channel's use between my transcription and other things?18:32
mefistofelesI actually think it's not that useful anymore, imho. But I don't see any harm being done with live translating it18:32
ggzmefistofeles: what is the press conference name ?18:32
mefistofelesggz: it's the italian civic defense (or something like that) press conference18:33
underscoremefistofeles: it's helped me a lot on what to expect, most countries followed Italy's policies about social distancing etc.18:33
LjLQ: The number of hospitalizations and ICUs are going down. But we're having more new cases... is this happening because we've learned to assist patients at home, without needing to hospitalize as many of them, or are we also reaching patients with milder symptoms thanks to more testing, or is the virus itself weakening?18:33
mefistofelesunderscore: actually most didn't, tbh18:33
mefistofelesunderscore: but yeah, Italy is a special case, for sure18:33
LjLA: It's very difficult to reason in the short term. In the medium term, we are "stable" in a positive way. What's important is to face the real critical issues: deaths, ICUs, serious cases. We know that, most likely, positives are many more than the official numbers... but we can look at the things that are going well as an actual data point.18:34
ggzLjL: ok sorry18:34
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3133 cases (now 1736766), +175 deaths (now 106595) since 20 minutes ago — US: +2050 cases (now 508058), +153 deaths (now 19819) since 20 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1315 cases (now 21655) since 20 minutes ago18:35
LjLQ: You give us data every day... but why was a note by the scientific committee, coming from the early days of March and based on early data from Lombardy, and which suggested quarantining some areas well before "red zones" were defined... if this had been made public, maybe some contagion would have been avoided...?18:36
LjLA: I think the measures the government adopted, which are taken as an example by Europe and the world, were adequate and proportional. When we decided to lock down, it wasn't just a couple of municipalities but the whole of Lombardy. All measures were transparent, and Prof. Brusaferro here has clarified the scientific opinions on the situation in the Nembro municipality in Bergamo too.18:37
LjLQ: Well, I was asking because we've tried to find that note on your website but we did not find it.18:37
LjLA: No, the scientific committee made some evaluations and then the government decided on measures. Nothing was kept secret.18:37
LjLIf there are no more questions, I'd like to thank you all and wish you a happy Easter.18:37
LjL--- end18:37
mefistofelesxD18:37
mefistofelesthat ending18:38
rajrajrajMy brother has completed studies in pune city, Maharashtra state in india. We(family) wants him to travel to Bangalore, Karnataka, india. However i dont know how the police will treat if he travels on 15th april. Who do i ask?18:39
LjLhttps://dpaste.org/4w1p18:40
LjLso Italy as a whole has more cases and more deaths than yesterday, Lombardy likewise, and Milan is spiking up again after a couple of days of seeming linearity18:42
LjLthat should explain the many ambulances we heard today18:42
LjLTurin is also hinting at an exponential curve again18:42
mefistofelesrajrajraj: you should ask your local authorities? I guess, I don't even know if this is even related to covid-1918:43
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 16:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US overtakes Italy as country with world's highest death toll → https://is.gd/15mkND18:43
LjLfatality is at 31% in people between 80 and 90 year old, which i think is higher than it used to be18:43
mefistofeleshitting elderly there, apparently18:43
LjLrajrajraj, i don't think he's going to be allowed to travel, but i have no idea who you should ask... check some government websites, maybe? they may have details on the lockdown including allowed exceptions if any18:45
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy to set up 'immunity passports,' outbreak swamps NYC 911 system → https://is.gd/qopNVC18:55
LjLpretty ridiculous to stretch what has been said to make it sound like we're actually about to set up immunity passports. we aren't. it might not even be found to be a good idea in the end... for now, we don't even have a single antibody test approved.18:56
euod[m]LjL: it also encourages people to go get COVID-19. especially people who've been told it's just a flu. 18:57
euod[m]I want to work > I need a passport > ok I'll get covid up in here > I go to work18:57
euod[m]bulletproof plan. 18:57
XipHi good friends, I bring good news19:01
rajrajraj22:13:02 <mefistofeles> rajrajraj: you should ask your local authorities? I guess, I don't even know if this is even related to covid-1919:02
rajrajrajIts  related19:02
rajrajrajAlso i don't have their working number19:02
rajrajrajTried three didn't work19:02
XipI'm sorry for saying, since January that Sweden was a control group in a big experient19:04
rajrajrajLjL: no official statement is out yet. Lockdown is finishing on 14th however statewise people are not agreeing19:04
XipIt is not real, it is fake news19:04
rajrajrajLjL: there is no clear statement. News such as "they are likely to open domestic flight travel"19:05
XipI was reading wrong things19:05
BrainstormUpdates for World: +6135 cases (now 1742901), +146 deaths (now 106741) since 32 minutes ago — Turkey: +5138 cases (now 52167), +95 deaths (now 1101) since 32 minutes ago — US: +517 cases (now 508575) since 32 minutes ago19:05
rajrajrajNow the local police is hella stupid. You would have seen them beating people with sticks19:05
rajrajrajIt sucks to be living in a country where police has their own rules on top of published rules19:06
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Governors call for $500 billion in aid, Italy to set up 'immunity passports' → https://is.gd/qopNVC19:07
XipThe corona viurus is not dangerous, we should just embrace it, its' not dangerous19:07
livebrainafter so many days of lockdown and social distancing norms19:12
livebrainshouldnt we start to see a decline in new numbers ?19:12
euod[m]livebrain: a decline in growth might be all we get.19:16
paula_thomas[m]livebrain This virus incubates for two weeks before symptoms set in and then another week or two before those symptoms get severe enough for hospital and most people aren't tested until then so no we shouldn't expect numbers to drop yet.19:17
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/kSjdbK19:19
livebrainwhy do you have [m] in your nick ?19:19
Scarecr0wlivebrain: Apparently they are connected through the bridge from Matrix.org.19:20
Scarecr0wI had the same question to a person in one of the COVID discussion channels and they said they were connected to IRC thru Matrix.org.19:20
BrainstormUpdates for World: +12646 cases (now 1755547), +327 deaths (now 107068) since 16 minutes ago — US: +12424 cases (now 520999), +302 deaths (now 20135) since 16 minutes ago — New York, US: +8100 cases (now 180458) since 16 minutes ago19:20
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Guardian su Twitter: "Coronavirus: US overtakes Italy as country with most deaths https://t.co/ziPvNM4eYZ" → https://is.gd/0nff4919:31
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1093 cases (now 1756640) since 18 minutes ago — Peru: +951 cases (now 6848) since 18 minutes ago — Germany: +52 cases (now 123878) since 18 minutes ago19:35
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:41 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. → https://is.gd/CMefVl19:44
BrainstormUpdates for World: +5402 cases (now 1762042), +663 deaths (now 107708) since 16 minutes ago — France: +4785 cases (now 129654), +635 deaths (now 13832) since 16 minutes ago — US: +581 cases (now 521623) since 16 minutes ago19:50
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Update on NYT death trajectories for countries and US states. The following countries are both (1) among the highest per capita death rates and (2) continuing to see deaths doubling every 4-5 days: → https://is.gd/mfbY8t19:56
ecrockz123rajrajraj: I think it is not possible now unless medical emergency. Maharashtra is the most affected state. It is better to stay safe where we are. 19:57
ecrockz123euod[m]: Is matrix free and how is user interface19:59
mefistofelesecrockz123: yes, it's free and there are many clients that can connect to it20:00
mefistofelesecrockz123: https://matrix.org/20:00
ecrockz123mefistofeles: hexchat too?20:01
mefistofelesecrockz123: don't think so20:01
ecrockz123mefistofeles: by using matrix we can store offline messages. Right20:02
mefistofelesecrockz123: not sure what you mean by that, tbh20:03
mefistofelesif you are asking if the server keeps log of the messages for your rooms/channels, then yes, basically20:04
ecrockz123mefistofeles: I mean when there is no internet. 20:05
mefistofelesecrockz123: ok, what about it?20:05
ecrockz123mefistofeles: could u still receive messages20:06
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:55 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Update on NYT death trajectories for the countries and US states. The following countries are both (1) among the highest per capita death rates and (2) continuing to see deaths doubling every 4-5 days: → https://is.gd/3NDqw520:08
mefistofelesecrockz123: you have to be connected somehow to receive the messages, but again, they are stored in the server when you are offline, fwiw20:08
ecrockz123mefistofeles: like znc20:10
mefistofelesecrockz123: similar, yes20:10
ecrockz123mefistofeles: is there any link to follow20:12
tinwhiskersyes, but in any evaluation of matirx you have to consider the character of people who use it. Think of it like Australia. Is that what you really want?!20:12
JigsyEverything tries to kill you?20:13
tinwhiskersheh20:13
JigsyThat's my interpretation of Australia. :P20:13
JigsySharks, Dingos, Jellyfish, Spiders, Snakes, Crocs...20:13
JigsyEven the trees!20:14
tinwhiskersAustralians20:14
mefistofelesecrockz123: I sent you one, the official web site, there should be enough there to get you started20:15
rajrajraj Ok20:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 18:07 UTC: Coronavirus live: US overtakes Italy as country with most Covid-19 deaths: More than 500,000 cases confirmed in US, according to Johns Hopkins University, as taskforce member warns: ‘We have not reached the peak’ → https://is.gd/40o6SL20:20
Jigsy>Priti Patel announces more help for abuse victims20:22
JigsyWell, if anyone is an authority on abusing other people, it'd be here.20:22
Jigsyher.*20:22
JigsyMust really suck for the victims of DV in this period/time, though.20:23
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 18:30 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Alcuni pazienti affetti da Covd muoiono per trombosi diffusa. Secondo due studiosi con il farmaco "si possano prevenire i trombi e anche limitare la carica virale, risolvendo la polmonite". → https://is.gd/IJ6IVE20:32
XipSorry I got drunk20:35
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1941 cases (now 1763983), +87 deaths (now 107795) since 46 minutes ago — Ireland: +839 cases (now 8928) since 46 minutes ago — US: +697 cases (now 522320) since 46 minutes ago20:35
XipI am sorry for being fucked up, I'm.. high20:37
XipIt's like a magic trick20:37
balaa[m]sup root 20:39
root[m]3hello balaa 20:42
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 18:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/Q4ycF320:45
BrainstormUpdates for World: +625 cases (now 1764608) since 16 minutes ago — Canada: +620 cases (now 23195) since 16 minutes ago20:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 18:48 UTC: Coronavirus live: US overtakes Italy as country with most Covid-19 deaths: More than 500,000 cases confirmed in US, according to Johns Hopkins University, as taskforce member warns: ‘We have not reached the peak’ → https://is.gd/40o6SL21:09
BrainstormUpdates for World: +2172 cases (now 1766780), +268 deaths (now 108113) since 31 minutes ago — US: +1922 cases (now 524242), +137 deaths (now 20223) since 31 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +1210 cases (now 23993), +111 deaths (now 1392) since 31 minutes ago21:20
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 19:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: 917 new coronavirus deaths as UK told to stay home → https://is.gd/hb488d21:21
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 19:22 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus and Healthcare Workers | Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) | N95 Masks → https://is.gd/M5jziS21:33
\n3p\Mexico Sees 39 Coronavirus Fatalities in Single Day https://is.gd/uAC4n321:35
pepee%title https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/10/immunity-certificates-covid-19-practical-ethical-conundrums/21:44
Brainstormpepee: From www.statnews.com: Covid-19 'immunity certificates': practical and ethical conundrums - STAT21:44
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 19:43 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Hard lessons from underestimating the enemy → https://is.gd/VEybYw21:45
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:51 UTC: US coronavirus deaths highest in the world even as hospitalizations slow in New York epicenter: The United States surpassed Italy on Saturday as the country with the most coronavirus deaths in the world, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/0uOyFy21:58
swift110hmm22:01
mefistofelesswift110: sup22:02
mefistofeleshaha22:02
BrainstormUpdates for World: +2109 cases (now 1768889), +136 deaths (now 108249) since 46 minutes ago — US: +1317 cases (now 525559), +81 deaths (now 20304) since 46 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +1293 cases (now 19180), +81 deaths (now 677) since 46 minutes ago22:05
ryoumaepicenter has lost its meaning.  it seems to mean "place with the most of something but i don't want to say that and want to use a fancy word instead" now.22:09
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 20:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: a domani → https://is.gd/28MRFM22:10
LjLryouma, it has been used in that figurative meaning for a while, it's not really new22:10
ryoumadidn't say it was new new22:12
ryoumabut it is used incorrectly/figuratively more now than i have ever seen it used i/f22:13
ryoumait is not common to say nyc is epicenter of finance22:13
LjLit's used with negative events, especially catastrophic ones22:13
LjLi can see the need and want for such a word22:14
ryoumait is not common to say al qaeda epicenter of terrorism or wtc22:14
LjL"place with the most of X" is not a particularly handy expression22:14
ryoumatrue22:14
ryoumathey used to use different words that annoyed me less22:15
ryoumai have possibly lost this battle 22:15
LjLthey could say focal point22:15
ryoumavarious words exist22:15
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll tops 20,000, Governors call for $500 billion more in aid → https://is.gd/qopNVC22:22
python476hi there22:27
python476how's everybody22:27
LjLhey22:31
LjLhave you been coviding22:31
python476I've been self-self-quarantining22:32
LjLjust in cases it infects over IP?22:33
mefistofelesyou can see the corona hype passing, a bit22:34
python476LjL: nah I was kickbanned from a chan and decided I could try to do more stuff offline22:35
dzhoI think "hot spot" has fewer problems than "epicenter"22:35
python476and as you can guess I did little22:35
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3850 cases (now 1772739), +152 deaths (now 108401) since 34 minutes ago — US: +3431 cases (now 528990), +151 deaths (now 20455) since 34 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1886 cases (now 22860), +87 deaths (now 686) since 34 minutes ago22:35
dzhofor one, even with the space, it's shorter: fewer characters, and fewer syllables22:36
dzhoit's clearer, more simple language: two common, single syllable words instead of one long multisyllabic one22:37
dzholess pretentious22:37
mefistofelesso you could say it's the epicenters of concepts related to this22:37
stinkpotdo you think the US is leveling off now python476 ?22:37
mefistofelesepicenter*22:37
mefistofelesxD22:37
dzhoit is still metaphorical, but the metaphor is a comparison to something that increases or diminishes both in extent and intensity22:37
python476stinkpot: I am far from an authority on anything related to covid (I wonder why you're asking me :)22:38
dzhowhereas epicenter implies a pinpoint source from which something emanates22:38
python476some people say US peak will be in 10+ days22:38
stinkpotdo we say epicenter for earthquakes?22:38
dzhowe do22:38
stinkpotok sorry python476 thanks tho22:38
python476no worries22:38
nixonixa huge mess in france currently over chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. online petitions, politicians involved, and what not  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/france-s-president-fueling-hype-over-unproven-coronavirus-treatment22:38
python476I've read that their logistics is still slow (not much new PPE and respirators)22:39
python476and social distancing is not top notch 22:39
python476so who knows22:39
nixonix%title22:39
Brainstormnixonix: From www.sciencemag.org: Is France’s president fueling the hype over an unproven coronavirus treatment? | Science | AAAS22:39
python476nixonix: such a sad distraction ...22:39
python476we need people acting not potential biblical icons..22:39
python476or maybe humans are really wired to find jesus22:39
python476dzho: is France particularly bad at this ?22:40
nixonix((i thought it was more a german thing. homeopathy))22:40
dzhomaybe it's both22:40
nixonixprob. and swiss. or maybe swiss just make money with it, dunno22:41
dzhook, enough for me for now, back to idling22:41
mefistofeleshomeopathy is everywhere, probably worse in non-europeans countries, imho22:41
stinkpotchloroquine feels like homeopathy22:41
nixonixmaybe i should google about homeopathic medicines on covid-19...22:42
mefistofelesstinkpot: in what sense? it's a known antimalarial drug, fwiw22:42
stinkpotwe don't really understand how it works22:42
livebrainhomepathic remedies on covid-19 = someone in USA spits in the ocean22:42
livebrainthe other in autralia drinks ocean water22:42
livebrainand its cured22:42
mefistofelesthere was actually people massively going to the ocean for a bath thinking it would cure the virus22:43
nixonixwell it needs to be shaken too. not stirred (ocean)22:43
mefistofelesin some latin american country22:43
stinkpotthere are quite a few drugs that are not usually antivirals that have sort of shown to be effective against coronavirus22:43
stinkpotthat feels a bit homeopathic to me22:43
X-Scalenever let a good crisis go to waste -> https://www.zerohedge.com/health/canadian-police-begin-making-home-visits-check-quarantine-compliance22:44
livebrainthis whole "google" thing make us all scientists 22:44
livebraini actually think ppl are more stupid now than 20 years ago22:44
mefistofelesstinkpot: ok, yes, but the tests are a bit more strict in any case22:44
livebrain20 years ago one would say "im stupid so i trust experts"22:44
mefistofelesthat's why chloroquine isn't really recommended as treatment 22:44
python476stinkpot: HChloroquine is way too concentrated for that :D22:44
livebrainnow "let me google for 5minutes do became an expert"22:44
python476theres22:44
stinkpotyes, i mean you actually have scientists involved 22:44
mefistofeleslivebrain: I don't use google, fwiw :P22:45
python476there's a Nitric Oxide theory for coronaviruses22:45
stinkpottoo conentrated for what?22:45
python476stinkpot: dont be confused, homeopathy requires real science to be sure they dilluted the compound 200M times22:45
python476:D22:45
Bruce[m]stinkpot: please join me https://overt.one/XKAooU22:45
python476because homeopathy is water and sugar, whereas HCQn has some molecules22:46
livebrainpython476: lol22:46
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US overtakes Italy as country with world's highest death toll → https://is.gd/15mkND22:46
stinkpotthanks python476 i see22:47
danielp3344%data Maryland22:48
Brainstormdanielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 7694 cases, 206 deaths (2.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 20 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.22:48
stinkpotBruce[m]: what is this site22:48
ryoumai disagree.  there is dunning kruger but there is also the fact that experts quite often really are not expert22:49
Bruce[m]Just forget it won’t help us22:49
ryoumai don't understand homeopathy.  if i drink half a pint of beer, i will get drunker than if i drink a pint?22:49
ecksan appealing concept22:51
mefistofelesryouma: I don'tknow, but I can give you some drops that can help you drink more and sleep better22:52
livebrainif a drunk guy takes a piss in the ocean and you drink the ocean water in the other side of the planet22:52
python476ryouma: the more the expertise the less the babble22:52
livebrainit means you wont be drunk anymore in your life ever gain22:52
python476you can correlate that sentence with my word output on this channel22:52
mefistofelesall while losing weight, btw22:52
python476lots of people do talk about weight loss due to confinement22:52
mefistofelesloss?22:53
python476yeah, is it absurd ?22:53
mefistofelesno, but I'd say most people would gain some weight22:53
python476somehow they changed diet 22:53
livebraini think there are better things to be concerned about it22:53
python476mefistofeles: oh because less movements and home snacks22:53
ecksno social obligation to eat lunch when you're isolate22:53
ecksd22:53
python476ecks: and even more realistically, no obligation to follow colleagues at burger steak house or starbucks22:54
python476also, no more wheat and pringles in stores22:54
Bruce[m]Why do they talk about that l don’t see the reason of talking about that22:54
python476thanks ded supply chain22:54
Bruce[m]Wow22:55
Bruce[m]Let’s roll22:55
stinkpotBruce[m]: is there a safe and secure and non-corporate version of slack?22:55
ryoumayou have to separate actual knowledge from being considered an expert.  there are many with impeccable credentials on the surface who have great praise and honors heaped on them who emit nothing but babble --- 13:52 <python476> ryouma: the more the expertise the less the babble22:55
python476ryouma: it's all very weird22:55
LjLmaybe he meant actual expertise, not perceived expertise22:56
ryoumaexpertise in the second sense is overrated.  the internet is an antidote.22:56
python476and its own poison22:56
python476but we're drifting22:56
ryoumathe thing is though when MOST people cannot tell the difference it is a problem22:57
Bruce[m]Guys have u notice that the people here most don’t reply chats they are all offline22:57
stinkpoti think they're just afk not offline22:57
LjLpython476, on the other hand, i was *un*banned from r/italy (upon asking, and the mod who replied had the guts to be like "oh, it's been one month, i guess that will suffice")22:57
stinkpotthere's not much to talk about in this channel for most people bruce22:58
Bruce[m]Help me only u guys keep me busy but mostly I am bored22:58
stinkpotyeah python476 i lost like 5 lbs so far22:58
LjLpython476, also the first time i asked, i got a reply like "could you say that in english? we mods here don't really speak italian". because i had asked on a completely different subreddit thinking it was r/italy somehow.22:58
stinkpotthe reason being is that when i cook it's not tasty food so i eat a lot less calories22:58
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 20:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Priti Patel 'sorry if people feel there have been failings' on PPE → https://is.gd/BSBvyr22:59
python476LjL: congratulation on entering your virtual homeland again22:59
python476Bruce[m]: maybe they just want a stream of news to scan to stay up to date22:59
python476stinkpot: do you work out in house ?23:00
LjLpython476, problem is more that i'm not allowed to leave it23:00
stinkpotyeah just body weight squats, push ups, bar dips, jumping jacks23:00
python476stinkpot: "just" .. that's a whole health program :D23:01
python476mefistofeles: on a balcony ?23:02
mefistofelespython476: what?23:05
stinkpotpython476: i just burn about 200 calories at most23:05
mefistofelespython476: I didn't get the balcony question, but it was hiking23:06
stinkpothiking?23:06
mefistofelesstinkpot: yes... 23:06
LjLmefistofeles, he's probably assumed you aren't allowed to leave your home without a reason that's considered valid23:06
LjLbut not all lockdowns are the same23:06
mefistofelesah right23:06
LjLif i keep googling for it at some point i'm convinced someone will make it23:07
stinkpotdamn 18km of hiking. i bet that didn't go as smooth as your cycling excursions23:07
mefistofelesLjL: that's a hard task, since not even the lockdowns are homogeneous in the same country23:07
python476mefistofeles: a dude ran a marathon on his balcony23:08
LjLmefistofeles, many people with more ability and willpower than me have worked on these things. https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy/lombardia is not a map but it takes a *piece* of a country and tells you in a relatively granular (okay, not very granular, but it's still four different variables) way what the lockdown's like23:08
mefistofelespython476: oh, haha nice23:08
mefistofelesLjL: nice23:08
python476mefistofeles: 8m long balcony.. that man doesn't mind repetition23:09
mefistofelesbut yeah, doing it in a larger scale is going to be really tough23:09
mefistofelespython476: oh f... that's crazy23:09
mefistofelesttyl23:09
python476button well23:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll tops 20,000, Governors call for $500 billion more in aid → https://is.gd/qopNVC23:11
ecksman, the Sweden curves on that website are depressing...23:13
ecksalthough some of the numbers are a bit weird23:14
ecksthere are definitely more than 79 ICU beds in Sweden23:14
ArsaneritThe Sweden curves on what website?23:15
tinwhiskersLjL: hey, when you get a chance can I get you change where you get your data from? I have a new URL for you. PM if you like.23:16
ArsaneritApparently the number of beds for The Netherlands is also out of date on that website23:16
Bruce[m]Ok23:16
eckshttps://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden23:16
LjLtinwhiskers, sure, just tell me here or PM, i'll change it right away23:16
tinwhiskerspwr22: I'll also get you to change if you're still using the data from offloop23:17
ArsaneritI find it hard to believe there are only that few hospital beds and ICU in Sweden23:19
ecksyeah, the numbers are very off23:19
ecksbut still, the site estimates 3,400 ICU beds needed during the peak and there's maybe 1,000 in reality23:20
ArsaneritI'm satisfied to live in Germany.23:20
ecksso it's gonna look like Italy in here in three weeks23:20
livebrainthey will act faster than italy23:20
ecksworse than Italy according to those projections23:21
LjLmodels on these things are difficult23:21
livebrainin getting ICU beds23:21
LjLdo not take it as any kind of certain prediction23:21
livebrainportugal doubled the number of beds23:21
eckssweden has already increased its ICU beds by around 50%23:21
livebraincountries have to learn from italy and spain 23:21
livebrainand act fast23:21
ecks379 deaths per day at the peak, that's like 1,500 per day in Italy if we adjust per capita23:22
Bruce[m]Wow😱😱 🇵🇹 Portugal23:22
livebrainBruce[m]: ?23:22
Arsaneritecks: Are you in Sweden?23:28
ecksyeah23:28
Cai[m]https://twitter.com/grahamfarmelo/status/1249069889534472192?s=1923:28
Bruce[m]Cai: Kk23:30
ArsaneritI wonder what libertarians think should be the response to a pandemic.23:33
eckswhat would the government do? then do the opposite23:33
stinkpotinteresting question to ask Arsanerit 23:33
blackntanWhat country do you wish you where in for this pandemic?23:35
stinkpotkorea probably23:36
blackntanstinkpot: interesting23:36
stinkpotor iceland23:36
livebrainsouth or north korea ?23:36
stinkpotwell north korea could be good too. they supposedly have more ICU beds per capita than anyone23:37
stinkpotnot sure we can trust their reported figures tho23:37
\n3p\Arsanerit, there the answer what libertarians do https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/rand-paul-recovers-from-coronavirus-volunteering-at-hospital/23:38
blackntanI think of rather have the healthcare as well though.  So Korea and Iceland don't excite me23:39
stinkpotblackntan: what are you talking about they have good healthcare 23:41
blackntanSo, ky, USA.   They doesn't sound like a bad place to be tight now ....23:41
stinkpotkentucky?23:41
blackntanYup23:41
stinkpotthe US isn't a bad place to be for medical care23:41
blackntanExactly23:41
stinkpotbut the government is prioritizing coronavirus cases over everything else23:42
blackntanstinkpot: you think North Korea had good healthcare?  Interesting23:43
stinkpoti think they have good healthcare but malnutrition23:43
stinkpotand lack of ability to get a lot of medications which would enable all sorts of care for a myriad of diseases23:43
blackntanSo that's where you'd like to be?23:43
stinkpotno, south korea23:44
blackntanOk.  Over any other country/locale right now?23:44
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: For the first time in US history, every state is under a disaster declaration simultaneously (11073 votes) | https://redd.it/fzdovx23:45
Arsaneritblackntan: I'm actually quite fine to be in Germany.23:46
stinkpotblackntan: florida, US23:46
ArsaneritMy personal situation is good.  I am employed by the federal government, I can do my work 100% remotely.  I am in good health and able to get what I need locally.23:46
ynhof[m]Ever feel drunk when you wake@23:47
ynhof[m]*?23:47
Bruce[m]Not so23:47
stinkpotmefistofeles: estas varado en europa?23:48
ynhof[m]Every day occurrence for me now. Will get it checked.23:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll tops 20,000, Governors call for $500 billion more in aid → https://is.gd/qopNVC23:54
ryoumaynhof[m]: candida can possibly cause that23:58

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