Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:49 UTC: (news): Global coronavirus deaths surge past 100,000, doubling in nearly a week → https://is.gd/XZyZ91 | 00:00 |
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graphine | hej sternenmusik[m] | 00:02 |
graphine | where are you from | 00:02 |
graphine | i would like some special food now lol | 00:03 |
graphine | cultural radio without culture is weird lol | 00:04 |
CombatVet | stimulus check is pending yo! | 00:04 |
CombatVet | check yo bank | 00:04 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i would like some special food n"> 🐰... 😊 | 00:04 |
graphine | i guess i will have to rip the next aldi store | 00:05 |
ecov | hopefully it helps some people | 00:05 |
ecov | 1200 aint much | 00:05 |
graphine | 1200? | 00:06 |
sternenmusik[m] | graphine: Düsseldorf | 00:06 |
graphine | ah längste theke der welt | 00:07 |
graphine | thanks | 00:08 |
graphine | sternenmusik[m], | 00:08 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4700 cases (now 1693514), +204 deaths (now 102434), +100 recoveries (now 375310) since an hour ago — US: +3138 cases (now 498674), +82 deaths (now 18509) since an hour ago — New York, US: +1846 cases (now 172358) since an hour ago | 00:08 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "ah längste theke der welt"> Zumindest nicht weit weg. | 00:09 |
graphine | okay sternenmusik[m] nice handle sounds remembers me to kling klang studios | 00:09 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "okay sternenmusik nice handle so"> Hans Gunther Olesch... | 00:10 |
sternenmusik[m] | So you guys get free cash on your bank Accounts??? | 00:11 |
graphine | no so far not | 00:12 |
graphine | i am trying to cure myself with those little mustard thingies | 00:12 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 22:11 UTC: CoronavirusGLOBAL: Watch This Before You Compare Covid To The Flu → https://is.gd/kMZaq9 | 00:12 |
graphine | lol just kidding | 00:13 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i am trying to cure myself with "> Smart I have two different mustards, but Soja, protein powder and ginger is unavailable for 18 days already... | 00:14 |
graphine | i see | 00:15 |
graphine | i just found them in the leavings of a glas of mix pickels | 00:16 |
graphine | i will not waste anything now lol cant go shopping anymore | 00:16 |
sternenmusik[m] | I run out of so many things, but its ok still... | 00:17 |
graphine | i see | 00:17 |
graphine | i went for mom | 00:17 |
graphine | she cant live only from pasta | 00:17 |
graphine | girls | 00:17 |
term99 | %data ohio | 00:18 |
Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there are 5878 cases, 231 deaths (3.9% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 16 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 00:18 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i just found them in the leaving"> ... 60 days and I am bankrupt anyhow. | 00:18 |
graphine | there is always alg2 | 00:18 |
euod[m] | my cupboards are weird due to things sort of being delivered. | 00:18 |
euod[m] | I have like 30 pounds of pasta sauce, but no pasta. | 00:18 |
graphine | lol | 00:18 |
graphine | really euod[m] | 00:18 |
graphine | man | 00:18 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "there is always alg2"> ... never used and my flat is quite expensive | 00:19 |
euod[m] | no joke. it was a mistaken order anyway. | 00:19 |
graphine | they will nevertheless help you for some time sternenmusik[m] | 00:19 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "they will nevertheless help you "> Yepp. | 00:19 |
graphine | poor euod[m] | 00:20 |
euod[m] | thanks to stocking issues instacart delivered me 12L of milk, in tiny bottles. helpful to give to the people around me but I really didn't need it like that. | 00:20 |
graphine | i always have lots of pasta and pasta sauce | 00:20 |
graphine | where are you euod[m] ? | 00:20 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i always have lots of pasta and "> I can offer beef 😂 | 00:20 |
euod[m] | graphine: america, hence instacart. | 00:20 |
graphine | i was out to shop yesterday | 00:21 |
graphine | still have 4 bottles of beer | 00:21 |
euod[m] | food isn't really a problem so much as anything else. | 00:21 |
graphine | yes right | 00:22 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i was out to shop yesterday"> I didnt go, way too many people.... | 00:22 |
graphine | if you really sick you do not need that much food | 00:22 |
euod[m] | the normal post service appears to be completely dead in the water. | 00:22 |
euod[m] | weirdly, ikea delivers just fine. | 00:22 |
euod[m] | so I can get a desk and a chair no problem. | 00:22 |
graphine | i see sternenmusik[m] i needed to shop for mom | 00:22 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3041 cases (now 1696555), +143 deaths (now 102577), +633 recoveries (now 375943) since 21 minutes ago — US: +1897 cases (now 500571), +104 deaths (now 18613), +417 recoveries (now 27239) since 21 minutes ago — Germany: +1126 cases (now 122171) since 21 minutes ago | 00:23 |
graphine | i am too fat anyway | 00:23 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i see sternenmusik i needed to s"> My mom found alternative shopping method, but I will keep going for her to Supermarkt. | 00:24 |
graphine | does lidl still deliver? | 00:24 |
sternenmusik[m] | No idea. | 00:25 |
graphine | i have never been to düsseldorf | 00:25 |
graphine | just on the central station | 00:25 |
graphine | at | 00:25 |
graphine | on my way to münchengladbach | 00:26 |
graphine | mönchengladbach | 00:27 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "i have never been to düsseldorf"> Where do you live? | 00:31 |
l0ndoner | Anyone involved in folding@home? | 00:31 |
sternenmusik[m] | And you are infected? | 00:31 |
graphine | freie hansestadt bremen | 00:31 |
graphine | i am not sure | 00:32 |
graphine | mom is sick | 00:32 |
graphine | we will see | 00:32 |
l0ndoner | graphine: whats your tempreture? | 00:32 |
graphine | temp is fine | 00:32 |
graphine | 36.3 to 37.5 | 00:32 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "36.3 to 37.5"> Like mine! | 00:33 |
l0ndoner | 37.5 = you have virus | 00:33 |
graphine | already added plus 0.3 for meassure trouble mayve | 00:33 |
sternenmusik[m] | <l0ndoner "37.5 = you have virus"> Bullshit. | 00:33 |
graphine | lol l0ndoner | 00:33 |
l0ndoner | ok = your deaded | 00:33 |
graphine | tomorrow i am more wise | 00:34 |
sternenmusik[m] | I can tell that the people I know who had it were all three real sick. | 00:35 |
graphine | i see | 00:35 |
sternenmusik[m] | Not hospitalized but real sick at home. | 00:35 |
graphine | i do know my body pretty well and i do not get easily sick | 00:35 |
sternenmusik[m] | Like me. | 00:36 |
graphine | i had the real flu twice in my life | 00:36 |
graphine | once as a teenager for four weeks | 00:36 |
graphine | and i think it was four years ago | 00:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:24 UTC: Americans will have a coronavirus antibody test 'very soon,' Pence says: Vice President Mike Pence said on Friday that the United States is expected to have an antibody test "very soon" that will determine whether somebody has been exposed to the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ZcoEtI | 00:37 |
LjL | <l0ndoner> 37.5 = you have virus ← which virus? i hope you don't mean SARS-COV-2 specifically | 00:37 |
graphine | if i will get temps above 38 it usually gets real worse because i do not feaver easily | 00:37 |
graphine | so tomorrow i know more | 00:38 |
sternenmusik[m] | I think few years ago I had something similar, they couldnt hear my breathing at the doctor, still just sent me to bed and after few days I was fine again... 🤷🏻♂️ | 00:38 |
graphine | body temps even go up by sports | 00:39 |
graphine | all above 37.5 is only rated as higher temps at 38 feaver is starting | 00:39 |
graphine | fever | 00:39 |
graphine | as far as we learned | 00:39 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "if i will get temps above 38 it "> You'll get over it, but really be Patient and dont rush otherwise it damages the heart real quick and then you are fucked. | 00:39 |
graphine | yes i know i studied biology | 00:40 |
graphine | you can get viral spots in your body | 00:40 |
sternenmusik[m] | Good 👍👌 | 00:40 |
graphine | thats can pretty much harm your circulation and heart | 00:40 |
graphine | fever and sports is not good | 00:41 |
graphine | some people think so but it can be harmful | 00:41 |
graphine | i also studied sports but thats years ago | 00:42 |
graphine | at least i will have enough audio stuff to listen to | 00:43 |
sternenmusik[m] | Yes, especially the sport junkies with their big hearts are at high risk but some of them feel immortal... | 00:43 |
graphine | i miss the public library | 00:43 |
graphine | those real sporty guys are often pretty easy to be injured | 00:44 |
sternenmusik[m] | I have thousand books.... | 00:44 |
graphine | like a porsche | 00:44 |
graphine | doesnt mean thats sports doesnt help | 00:45 |
graphine | but i guess sternenmusik[m] often it is the fact that those guys take a lot of steroids and pills and so too | 00:45 |
sternenmusik[m] | True, Football players are injured all the time. | 00:45 |
radar1976 | anyone from canada? | 00:45 |
sternenmusik[m] | <graphine "but i guess sternenmusik often i"> True as well. | 00:46 |
graphine | one of the guys that studied together with me died because of that. it was on the local tv news. body builder and too much pills you know | 00:46 |
graphine | i never took anything i do not like drugs | 00:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: WHO warns of 'deadly resurgence' if coronavirus controls lifted too soon → https://is.gd/5IOckY | 00:49 |
graphine | haribo time | 00:49 |
Birosso | The way Matrix quotes messages is pissing me off! | 00:49 |
Birosso | ./rant | 00:49 |
graphine | lol Birosso | 00:50 |
LjL | Birosso, and everyone else too | 00:50 |
graphine | NOW I RECALL YOU ARE IN GERMANY | 00:50 |
LjL | but they aren't changing it, i'm pretty sure they've been asked | 00:50 |
graphine | oops | 00:50 |
graphine | oh yum | 00:50 |
LjL | Birosso, you're in GERMANY? | 00:50 |
graphine | thanks | 00:50 |
Birosso | Yaes. | 00:50 |
Birosso | I am. | 00:50 |
Birosso | Currywurst. | 00:50 |
graphine | lol LjL | 00:51 |
Birosso | Would you like to feel my Lederhosen for proof? | 00:51 |
Birosso | Would that convince you, YOU PERVERT? | 00:51 |
graphine | its Lederhose | 00:51 |
graphine | :-p | 00:51 |
Birosso | I wear several pairs at the same time. | 00:51 |
Birosso | So what? | 00:51 |
Birosso | I'm... colourful that way. | 00:51 |
LjL | Birosso, don't worry, you'll learn German over time | 00:51 |
Birosso | I already have. | 00:52 |
Birosso | Ich habe einen Hund in meiner Hose. | 00:52 |
Pesho | hi to all | 00:52 |
graphine | dang | 00:52 |
sternenmusik[m] | ... 😂 😂 😂 | 00:52 |
graphine | awful translator | 00:52 |
graphine | haha | 00:52 |
LjL | Birosso, maybe you should get a COVID-19 test, that sounded a bit... pneumoniac | 00:53 |
Birosso | Good one. Haha. | 00:53 |
LjL | Birosso, just like a real German! | 00:53 |
Birosso | Wrong and stereotypical. | 00:53 |
graphine | lol | 00:53 |
Birosso | Disgusting. | 00:53 |
sternenmusik[m] | Wie sagt man "verwirrt" auf englisch? 😂 | 00:54 |
Birosso | Confused. | 00:54 |
LjL | confused? | 00:54 |
graphine | lol | 00:54 |
graphine | man you talk better german than me | 00:54 |
LjL | now i can't remember what "confused" is in swedish. swedish and german always shared the same slot in my brain. damn. | 00:55 |
graphine | i better ask mom if i am seriously her son | 00:55 |
graphine | jag talar lite svenska | 00:55 |
LjL | vi kan gå till ##language allihopa | 00:56 |
sternenmusik[m] | ... ok guys,... talk to you soon, looks like I found a new home,... aber was ist jetzt eigentlich mit Corona? 😊 | 00:56 |
graphine | usually it takes up most space here sternenmusik[m] | 00:57 |
graphine | tonight seems to be a different day | 00:57 |
graphine | now i coughed | 00:57 |
sternenmusik[m] | Looks like we blocked it for a while, WHO should get in touch... 😉 | 00:58 |
Birosso | %cases | 00:58 |
Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, World, there are 1697415 cases, 102629 deaths (6.0% of cases), 375947 recoveries as of 16 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 00:58 |
LjL | true, WHO has also been very good at "blocking in for a while" | 00:58 |
Birosso | Why are you +O? | 00:58 |
graphine | say where do you have the commands? | 00:58 |
graphine | dang | 00:59 |
LjL | bin_bash, du fragst, ich antworte | 00:59 |
Birosso | Mods are gods! | 00:59 |
LjL | err | 00:59 |
LjL | Birosso! | 00:59 |
Birosso | Witness the abuse! | 00:59 |
graphine | lol | 00:59 |
graphine | was weird | 01:00 |
graphine | man LjL how many languages do you speak= | 01:00 |
LjL | about 1.5 | 01:00 |
graphine | i do only speak german | 01:00 |
graphine | at least i think so | 01:00 |
LjL | i only speak italian, write english, and have vague notions of another dozen things | 01:00 |
graphine | i like your style LjL | 01:01 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: LA County extends stay-at-home order, $30 billion in aid sent to hospitals → https://is.gd/LrJAJY | 01:01 |
graphine | holy crap 980 dead people in the uk today | 01:02 |
graphine | that sucks | 01:02 |
LjL | yeah, France not going great either | 01:02 |
LjL | Italy doing "meh", which seems about right | 01:03 |
graphine | ok | 01:03 |
Birosso | %cases germany | 01:03 |
Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 122171 cases, 2767 deaths (2.3% of cases), 53913 recoveries as of 21 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 01:03 |
Birosso | Oof. | 01:03 |
graphine | yeah but we are like 80 millions | 01:04 |
graphine | plus some germans are real assholes! | 01:04 |
Jigsy | %cases uk | 01:05 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 73758 cases, 8958 deaths (12.1% of cases), 344 recoveries as of a minute ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 01:05 |
LjL | graphine, more like 100 million iirc | 01:06 |
LjL | %wa population of germany | 01:06 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Germany | population): Result: 82.1 million people (world rank: 16th) (2017 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+germany | 01:06 |
LjL | and yeah, i still need to add the population figures to the bot ;( | 01:06 |
LjL | hmm i don't know where i remembered 100 from. maybe total of german speakers in europe | 01:06 |
graphine | 100 million germans? | 01:06 |
LjL | graphine, 80 million is more than enough, you say? | 01:06 |
graphine | JA! | 01:07 |
graphine | to big to fail doesnt match germans if you become to big we start those bullshit like we did twice | 01:07 |
graphine | you know | 01:07 |
LjL | i have heard of it | 01:08 |
graphine | wasnt the italians in the boat with us lol | 01:08 |
graphine | cant remember that | 01:09 |
graphine | haha | 01:09 |
LjL | we switched sides at the last minute, it's alright | 01:09 |
graphine | lol | 01:09 |
Birrosso | garphine: There are assholes everywhere. Niedersachsen has fewer assholes than other countries I've been to. | 01:09 |
Birrosso | Don't want to generalise over all states, though. | 01:09 |
graphine | lol | 01:10 |
graphine | lower saxony is also somewhat big | 01:10 |
graphine | we are surrounded all by lower saxony | 01:10 |
Birosso | Personal space makes people happier. | 01:10 |
LjL | Birosso, should i add percentage of assholes to the bot as well as population figures? | 01:10 |
graphine | hell yea LjL | 01:11 |
Birosso | Assholery isn't so easy to measure. :/ | 01:11 |
Birosso | Different standards. | 01:11 |
graphine | you get it with your birth cert in germany | 01:11 |
graphine | :-p | 01:11 |
Birosso | graphine, if I may ask, which state are you in? | 01:12 |
LjL | Birosso, i'll just write the code, you can provide the figures. i trust your expertise on the subject. | 01:12 |
graphine | freie hansestadt bremen | 01:12 |
LjL | Birosso, he already said | 01:12 |
LjL | <graphine> we are surrounded all by lower saxony | 01:12 |
LjL | can you take a clue?! | 01:12 |
graphine | bremen state | 01:12 |
Birosso | I can't, no. | 01:12 |
Birosso | Oh, Bremen. | 01:12 |
graphine | ja | 01:13 |
graphine | Yes Sir | 01:13 |
Birosso | Is it... crowded there? | 01:13 |
Birosso | Never been. | 01:13 |
Brainstorm | New from The Lancet at 00:00 UTC: [Perspectives] Bills of Mortality: tracking disease in early modern London: In a plague year, the numbers are the narrative. “The Bill of Mortality, to all our griefs, is encreased 399 this week, and the encrease general through the whole city and suburbs, which makes us all sad”, noted Londoner Samuel Pepys on Nov [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/lUZUqZ | 01:13 |
Birosso | Was offered work there once but couldn't go at the time. | 01:13 |
graphine | 523.000 inhabs i guess | 01:13 |
Birosso | Yes, but the population density. | 01:13 |
graphine | oh | 01:14 |
LjL | %wa population density in bremen | 01:14 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Bremen, Bremen | population density): Result: (data not available) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+in+bremen | 01:14 |
graphine | no that much | 01:14 |
Birosso | 1625 per km^2 according to europa.eu. | 01:14 |
LjL | %wa stupidity of wolfram alpha | 01:14 |
graphine | 40 km long | 01:14 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (stupidity (English word)): Definitions: 1 | noun | a poor ability to understand or to profit from experience 2 | noun | a stupid mistake → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=stupidity+of+wolfram+alpha | 01:14 |
Birosso | In my town it's 325 :D | 01:14 |
graphine | lots of green areas | 01:14 |
LjL | what do i care about green areas? it's forbidden to go there now! | 01:14 |
graphine | lol | 01:14 |
graphine | i tried to explain that in the middle that might count | 01:15 |
graphine | we still have some parts of the town with only two story houses | 01:15 |
ubLIX | LjL: Brainstorm's Lancet link above goes to "page does not exist". any pointers? | 01:16 |
graphine | i guess wikipedia has the data | 01:16 |
LjL | ubLIX, works for me | 01:16 |
LjL | ubLIX, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30725-X/fulltext | 01:16 |
ubLIX | ratfink browser | 01:16 |
graphine | i see Birosso | 01:16 |
graphine | is that much? Birosso | 01:17 |
ubLIX | same again, LjL | 01:17 |
Birosso | Neither is much compared to many places in the world. | 01:18 |
graphine | there are still some places i use to use to walk into downtown direction where you rarely meet any people in times with no corona | 01:19 |
LjL | this thing must be kidding me | 01:19 |
ubLIX | wow. no javascript = page does not exist - what an asshat move | 01:19 |
graphine | thats why i said we have lots of parks and green areas because they count them as well when they middle it and that makes the spots where people live even more crowded in real | 01:20 |
LjL | ubLIX, https://archive.is/GOl0n | 01:20 |
LjL | also https://web.archive.org/web/20200410231957/https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30725-X/fulltext | 01:20 |
ubLIX | just turned on the js in the end | 01:20 |
graphine | like what jobs do you get offered Birosso | 01:21 |
LjL | ubLIX, isn't what you always end up doing, just after about a 20 minute struggle | 01:21 |
Birosso | graphine: I'm a student. Supposed to be finishing up by now, but... Corona. I had applied to work at Daimler for two months during one exams phase. | 01:21 |
ubLIX | generally not, LjL, no | 01:22 |
Birosso | But the time frame they offered wasn't suitable in the end. | 01:22 |
graphine | oh okay | 01:23 |
graphine | like stand in line? | 01:24 |
graphine | or as a student | 01:24 |
graphine | what do you study? | 01:24 |
graphine | high unemployment here anyway | 01:24 |
Birosso | Mechanical engineering. | 01:25 |
graphine | oh ok | 01:25 |
graphine | i am one of the unemployed lol | 01:25 |
Birosso | I have 142 credit points out of 180. | 01:25 |
Birosso | All I have left to do is one exam, my thesis, and an internship. | 01:25 |
Birosso | Was going to do an internship at Schaeffler. | 01:25 |
Birosso | BUT CORONA! | 01:25 |
Birosso | THANKS! | 01:25 |
graphine | i wish you all the best with that Birosso | 01:26 |
graphine | hope you will never ever be unemployed | 01:26 |
graphine | ;-) | 01:26 |
Birosso | Thanks, but I'm not sure anything will come of that. Car manufacturers were already not doing well in Germany. Now with Corona it's even worse. | 01:26 |
Birosso | Applied at Bosch instead. | 01:26 |
graphine | in stuttgart | 01:27 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 3M sues distributor for alleged price gouging of N95 respirators in New York (10116 votes) | https://redd.it/fyjj2n | 01:27 |
Birosso | What's in Stuttgart? | 01:27 |
graphine | bosch | 01:27 |
Birosso | Oh, you didn't put a question mark there. | 01:27 |
Birosso | No, in Baden. | 01:27 |
graphine | oki | 01:27 |
graphine | i have been working in stuttgart years ago | 01:27 |
graphine | wasnt bad there | 01:28 |
Birosso | What line of work? | 01:28 |
graphine | i used to be a network admin | 01:29 |
graphine | or technician however you want to call it | 01:29 |
Birosso | Why did you stop? | 01:29 |
graphine | that i do not know they never wanted me again | 01:29 |
graphine | i am not good in making much noise | 01:29 |
Birosso | Mmmm, unfortunate. | 01:30 |
graphine | i cant help | 01:30 |
LjL | the good thing about talking about offtopic stuff is that it ends up being about CORONA again very quickly, without any need for op intervention | 01:30 |
LjL | easiest channel i've ever opped | 01:30 |
graphine | from my marks and from what people said about me i was quiet a good technician and admin but | 01:31 |
graphine | i do not think that i will ever be again like that | 01:31 |
graphine | who cares | 01:31 |
graphine | i like this better here you know | 01:32 |
graphine | i do not like all the crap like facebook and so on with like putting my pictures everywhere | 01:32 |
mefistofeles | graphine: +1 | 01:32 |
graphine | today it seems to be important like that you can read about you everywhere | 01:33 |
Birosso | As long as you're comfortable and doing *something* you like. | 01:33 |
graphine | when i took my class at tech school it was so much different | 01:33 |
graphine | i mean look here in the channels people talk about all they use in their companies | 01:33 |
graphine | i mean why dont they just put in the password here right away | 01:34 |
LjL | some of them do, after enough social engineering | 01:34 |
graphine | yes LjL | 01:35 |
graphine | exactly | 01:35 |
graphine | you put in your data in xing and everywhere | 01:35 |
graphine | thank i phone somewhere | 01:35 |
graphine | and say | 01:35 |
graphine | oh my name is michael whatever | 01:35 |
graphine | than they do checkups like | 01:35 |
graphine | where born wehn born | 01:35 |
graphine | bla bla | 01:36 |
graphine | do that | 01:36 |
graphine | not my name | 01:36 |
LjL | :P | 01:36 |
bin_bash | graphine: you mena why are opeople dumb? it's been a question for the ages | 01:36 |
graphine | haha | 01:36 |
Birosso | As someone trying to start a career soon, I'm also bothered by this. | 01:36 |
LjL | be easy on the Enter key by the way, please | 01:36 |
Birosso | I don't want to use stuff like LinkedIN and Xing. | 01:36 |
Birosso | And I don't. | 01:36 |
Birosso | But I might be missing out on something by not doing so. | 01:36 |
mefistofeles | I actually just read a headline saying "Why you should have a LinkedIn profile" | 01:37 |
graphine | yes its a weird decision | 01:37 |
mefistofeles | screw that | 01:37 |
bin_bash | you don't need linkedin if you have connections | 01:37 |
LjL | Birosso, yes, but also you can be better enough than others that you'll be that one person who manages to get hired to important jobs *without* being on linkedin. and then they'll talk about you even more, and make a fake linkedin account for you. | 01:37 |
mefistofeles | bin_bash: you shouldn't need either | 01:37 |
graphine | if you are young you often do not have that much connectios bin_bash | 01:37 |
Birosso | LjL: O.o | 01:37 |
Birosso | o.O | 01:37 |
bin_bash | graphine: yeah that's why people make linkedin accounts. | 01:37 |
graphine | it should be like they take you if you are good | 01:37 |
bin_bash | but i agree, it's dumb | 01:38 |
Birosso | bin_bash: I don't have any connections. I can only hope to impress. | 01:38 |
graphine | not because you have connections | 01:38 |
Birosso | But in order to get in in the first place... | 01:38 |
mefistofeles | bin_bash: you are pretty young, you seem | 01:38 |
LjL | Birosso, let me guess: Corona? | 01:38 |
mefistofeles | sorry, Birosso ↑ | 01:38 |
bin_bash | thanks, i guess | 01:38 |
graphine | but today all that counts is make much noise and air like a vent | 01:38 |
mefistofeles | bin_bash: not you, you old f... | 01:38 |
mefistofeles | xD | 01:38 |
graphine | and after that lol call the real good guys | 01:38 |
graphine | haha | 01:38 |
Birosso | I am not that young. It took me a long time to (nearly) get my degree. I'm 25. | 01:38 |
graphine | lol | 01:39 |
graphine | 25 is not young | 01:39 |
graphine | kicks Birossos butt | 01:39 |
bin_bash | mefistofeles: lolol | 01:39 |
graphine | :-) | 01:39 |
mefistofeles | I mean, IRC people are probably talented underpaed (or jobless) people :P | 01:39 |
mefistofeles | underpaid* | 01:39 |
Birosso | Aren't most people on the planet underpaid? | 01:39 |
mefistofeles | and we commonly don't do that scoial networking thing | 01:39 |
graphine | mefistofeles, | 01:40 |
graphine | what is this here | 01:40 |
Birosso | An IRC channel to talk about Corona virus, and sometimes we go a bit off-topic, graphine? | 01:40 |
graphine | i am not an irc guys but i guess more people in this can say that some here are a least close to somewhat a friend even if it is only virtual | 01:41 |
graphine | but those facebook friendship or like on youtube | 01:41 |
Birosso | I don't consider any of you friends. I don't trust you. | 01:41 |
graphine | those are hillarious | 01:41 |
graphine | i dont consider anyone here a friend | 01:41 |
Birosso | Hey, that hurts... man. | 01:41 |
graphine | i am only here since 3 or 4 days | 01:41 |
Birosso | Oh, okay. That's reasonable. | 01:41 |
mefistofeles | you are also german | 01:42 |
mefistofeles | :P | 01:42 |
mefistofeles | but yeah, I get it | 01:42 |
graphine | but i guess some people here are really nice | 01:42 |
Birosso | I am not German. | 01:42 |
Birosso | I am *in* Germany. | 01:42 |
mefistofeles | bin_bash: me too | 01:42 |
Birosso | Or were you talking to graphine? | 01:42 |
mefistofeles | oh fuck that tab | 01:42 |
graphine | lol mefistofeles | 01:42 |
mefistofeles | Birosso: me too | 01:42 |
LjL | mefistofeles, i already highlighted bin/bash by mistake earlier, now they'll be starting to get upset :P | 01:42 |
Birosso | Let's all bully bin_bash. | 01:43 |
Birosso | bin_bash: | 01:43 |
graphine | this is one of the channels that is at least somewhat busy | 01:43 |
LjL | Birosso, i see you want another kick | 01:43 |
mefistofeles | funny, it nows autocompletes to Birosso | 01:43 |
mefistofeles | xD | 01:43 |
Birosso | LjL: I'm a masochist through and through. | 01:44 |
Birosso | I love kicks. | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | I guess it uses the last one I used first? | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | yeah, probably that | 01:44 |
graphine | does someone of you have a blog= | 01:44 |
graphine | ? | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | graphine: I have something... | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | but not posted anything for years now | 01:44 |
LjL | Birosso, okay then no kicking for you | 01:44 |
graphine | do you usually use wordpress? | 01:45 |
mefistofeles | though I have written posts, I'm just too lazy to properly post them, I also want to change the framework/tool I use | 01:45 |
graphine | i start to learn to sketch that analog way and now i got a digital wacom sketching tablet and i wonder if i will put something on the internet | 01:46 |
graphine | and in which way | 01:46 |
graphine | i am not the type of guy that likes to show off on youtube | 01:46 |
mefistofeles | graphine: no, I was using nikola (I think) | 01:46 |
mefistofeles | with jupyter notebooks | 01:46 |
mefistofeles | but that's kinda annoying | 01:46 |
graphine | i see | 01:46 |
mefistofeles | now I want to use hugo | 01:47 |
mefistofeles | with "Plain" markdown | 01:47 |
mefistofeles | *plan | 01:47 |
mefistofeles | oh ffs | 01:47 |
mefistofeles | plain* | 01:47 |
graphine | the trouble with lots of youtube channels is that they do not really teach anything anymore | 01:47 |
graphine | most is only commercial and product placement | 01:47 |
Dan[m]1 | /msg CoronaBot !cases USA | 01:47 |
mefistofeles | Dan[m]1: it's !corona instead of "cases | 01:48 |
LjL | Dan[m]1, i don't think /msg is a command in Matrix | 01:48 |
mefistofeles | man this lag :/ | 01:48 |
graphine | thanks for that info mefistofeles | 01:48 |
l0ndoner | !convid | 01:48 |
LjL | Dan[m]1, but i don't know how it's done in Riot, other than just clicking on its nickname and telling it to open a message window... | 01:48 |
graphine | i tired to watch some videos about digital drawing on youtube but now they start to put their own commercials right into their own videos / content | 01:49 |
Dan[m]1 | LjL: thanks, between work I’ve been trying to learn matrix, at least enough to be somewhat proficient... | 01:49 |
Dan[m]1 | LjL: I meant riot... | 01:50 |
mefistofeles | graphine: yeah, that's annoying | 01:50 |
graphine | yes mefistofeles plus not even nice or so they just read it down lol like a bla bla bla lol | 01:51 |
graphine | the last girl / lady i saw was titled hw to draw digitally and she was only talking like hell about the thing like you know how great it is PRODUCT PLACEMENT and without any real advice in how to do it | 01:52 |
ubLIX | since adblockers cut adds even from youtube streams, they have no where else to go i guess | 01:53 |
graphine | i take this brush and bla bla not why take this brush pros cons nothing | 01:53 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1871 cases (now 1698426), +117 deaths (now 102694), +152 recoveries (now 376095) since an hour ago — US: +1250 cases (now 501821), +82 deaths (now 18695) since an hour ago — Washington, US: +392 cases (now 10132) since an hour ago | 01:53 |
graphine | are there any other sites with good howtos that are not youtube? | 01:53 |
ubLIX | youtube takes sturgeon's law and turns it into five nines | 01:54 |
LjL | ubLIX, next step: blocking fast forwarding when you're in an "ad part" of a video | 01:54 |
LjL | (not a huge leap, any dvd player does that) | 01:54 |
graphine | lol | 01:54 |
ubLIX | next counter step: never ever watch a stream live; always process it first | 01:55 |
graphine | does the regular you tube user really watch those videos? | 01:55 |
graphine | oh there is you only live twice on the radio | 01:56 |
graphine | nice soundtrack | 01:56 |
Dan[m]1 | Brainstorm: !convid Washington | 01:57 |
LjL | %cases Washington | 01:57 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Washington, US, there are 10132 cases, 482 deaths (4.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 10 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:57 |
graphine | i tried to draw an easter rabbit today | 01:57 |
graphine | not that easy | 01:58 |
ubLIX | cheerful view of the day: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=4719 | 01:59 |
graphine | so you guys except the students are doing home office now | 01:59 |
graphine | or did you do even before corona | 01:59 |
ubLIX | *not | 01:59 |
mefistofeles | I'm home studying :P | 01:59 |
graphine | makes two students | 01:59 |
mefistofeles | actually, it's much more interesting | 02:00 |
mefistofeles | I'm home studying abroad | 02:00 |
mefistofeles | ;) | 02:00 |
graphine | why is this irc still so popular | 02:00 |
graphine | geeky nerdy? | 02:00 |
mefistofeles | basicall | 02:00 |
mefistofeles | I like that you don't have that rush of answering things that you get in most others | 02:01 |
graphine | but lots are just watching right | 02:01 |
mefistofeles | you atually get to discuss things and analyze stuff | 02:01 |
mefistofeles | yes, lots of idlers | 02:01 |
graphine | so parted into exhibitionist and stalkers | 02:01 |
graphine | lol | 02:01 |
Dan[m]1 | Yep, I watch a lot... | 02:01 |
LjL | ubLIX, i like the psychiatrist part | 02:02 |
graphine | in trenchcoat ready to .., | 02:02 |
graphine | lol | 02:02 |
graphine | for me its boring | 02:03 |
Dan[m]1 | I just figured out irc was still around about a year ago... I use to be big into it in the late 90’s... | 02:03 |
graphine | i like the real life better than the virtual one | 02:03 |
graphine | sorry i mean boring as in corona times not here with you | 02:03 |
graphine | i miss to go outside sit in a cafe visit the public library | 02:04 |
mefistofeles | I *really+ miss riding mountain bike and drumming :( | 02:04 |
LjL | ubLIX, but how could an election held exclusively by mail, with presumably a mostly locked down country, *not* be a sham anyway? also, this is uplifting, at least the fact this feels like the EU is de facto dissolving feels less bad if it's feeling the same in the US, about the US | 02:05 |
graphine | riding mountbike isnt that still possible | 02:05 |
mefistofeles | graphine: yes, if I had mine close, it's in another country xD | 02:05 |
graphine | oh | 02:05 |
Dan[m]1 | Yea I still get to go out, although have to be masked... I’m one of the essential jobs... | 02:05 |
graphine | what job is it | 02:06 |
mefistofeles | and I was going to get/buy one here, but yes, can't do with all of this | 02:06 |
graphine | i see mefistofeles | 02:06 |
graphine | my bikes are all broken | 02:06 |
graphine | dont have the tools to repair them | 02:06 |
ubLIX | LjL: I think the general idea is that postal voting is terrible for the Republicans | 02:07 |
graphine | what do your g/fs b/fs partners whatever you call em do if you are online all the time= the same? | 02:08 |
graphine | you cant be all single | 02:08 |
Dan[m]1 | I’m a welder by trade, we’re rebuilding a big ship... Here in the US plenty of people are going out and getting some fresh air albeit 6ft separation for the most part... | 02:08 |
graphine | cool Dan[m]1 | 02:09 |
graphine | a big ship hmm | 02:09 |
graphine | the united states? | 02:09 |
graphine | its a shame that it will maybe not rescued it was a wonderful huge ship the united states | 02:10 |
LjL | ubLIX, unless they rig it, which sounds easy when you are just short of martial law and people are voting by mail | 02:11 |
ubLIX | O say can you see... | 02:12 |
LjL | well it's pretty dark here right now | 02:12 |
LjL | but yeah my rods are functioning | 02:12 |
graphine | do you like roald dahl? | 02:14 |
ecov | i dont think there is a worse candidate to run against trump than biden | 02:15 |
ecov | its incredibly sad | 02:15 |
graphine | poor ecov | 02:15 |
ecov | :( | 02:16 |
graphine | joe biden | 02:16 |
graphine | he is a tad boring | 02:16 |
ecov | not entirely lucid it seems | 02:17 |
graphine | arent all those vice presidents have always been a tad of boring | 02:17 |
ecov | boring is completely fine with me | 02:17 |
ecov | boring isnt the word to describe biden | 02:17 |
graphine | the only one accidentally hit the top | 02:17 |
ryouma | are the democrats trying to win or not | 02:17 |
graphine | was gerald ford | 02:17 |
graphine | but only because of nixon | 02:18 |
ryouma | i mean idk current politics but are they putting electability as top priority | 02:18 |
ecov | if by "the democrats" you mean the DNC, no | 02:18 |
ryouma | what are they aimning at then | 02:18 |
graphine | yes right ecov | 02:18 |
graphine | i didnt take the right english expression | 02:18 |
graphine | i mean dont you have to be a tad more convincing like shiny to win elections in the usa | 02:19 |
graphine | ? | 02:19 |
graphine | i do not think that biden is a bad choice he seems good but not like sorry i could explain it better in german | 02:19 |
ryouma | what do you foresee for usa and eu? | 02:21 |
graphine | as in? | 02:21 |
ubLIX | graphine: you just don't know enough about Biden then | 02:22 |
Akash[m] | %data india | 02:22 |
Brainstorm | Akash[m]: In all areas, India, there are 7600 cases, 249 deaths (3.3% of cases), 774 recoveries as of 5 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 02:22 |
graphine | ubLIX, your president never been like expected so are presidents in usual | 02:23 |
graphine | everywhere | 02:23 |
phil_ | https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007016 | 02:23 |
Albright | The XFL, the new spring (American) football league whose season was cut short by the pandemic, is laying off staff and may not come back next year. Damn it. Their games were great. | 02:23 |
LjL | %title | 02:23 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nejm.org: Compassionate Use of Remdesivir for Patients with Severe Covid-19 | NEJM | 02:23 |
ubLIX | graphine: i'm not from the US but even so i'm not sure "they are usually weird, so anything goes" is a good paradigm | 02:24 |
graphine | people voted for trump | 02:24 |
graphine | nothing more to add | 02:25 |
graphine | now what else can you say about the right candidate | 02:25 |
LjL | ubLIX, i believe what happened here is that many people believed Sanders couldn't possibly win against Trump anyway, and so they voted Biden in the primaries even though he didn't really feel all that great. now, this is, of course, the kind of mistake you'd only make once... next time, everyone will know better | 02:25 |
graphine | angela merkel is our chancellor for years now | 02:26 |
graphine | without words | 02:26 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:16 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed worldwide Covid-19 death toll passes 100,000 → https://is.gd/BFm4Rq | 02:26 |
ubLIX | LjL: we can't they all make their mistakes in their imaginations ahead of time :| | 02:27 |
ubLIX | s/we/why/ | 02:27 |
graphine | ok now the truth is hard and i guess now i will piss off a lot of people but the americans in general can be easily influenced thats is one reason why trump has won elections. | 02:27 |
ubLIX | graphine: you don't like Merkel? | 02:28 |
graphine | i dont know her | 02:28 |
rager | <LjL "ubLIX, i believe what happened h"> know better? This is America. | 02:28 |
graphine | do you? | 02:28 |
graphine | she is only our political leader i never met her in person | 02:28 |
ubLIX | graphine: in English, "without words" is kinda an idiom to express complete disbelief at some thing | 02:28 |
graphine | all i know is her image | 02:28 |
graphine | but what i can say is that one thing i like about the usa is that president can only be reelected for another period so you wont have him for like 20 or 16 years like we do have angela merkel now | 02:30 |
LjL | ubLIX, rager: i see that was too subtle. i was rehashing many people's rationales for voting Clinton in the primaries last time. the same rationale as this time. | 02:30 |
graphine | angela merkel is only good if nothing really needs to be changed | 02:30 |
ecov | LjL: what are your thoughts on Biden | 02:30 |
rager | or the same reason for picking John Kerry to lose to Bush | 02:31 |
rager | to flipping George Bush | 02:31 |
LjL | ecov, don't know him that well, but i'd have been fine with Sanders last time, so i'd personally stick with Sanders this time too | 02:31 |
rager | or even for picking Al Gore | 02:31 |
graphine | its werid all like sanders | 02:31 |
graphine | but he is never the candidate | 02:31 |
ecov | LjL: sanders stepped down | 02:31 |
LjL | graphine, well, i've explained why i think that happens. people like him but "don't think he can win". so they vote someone else... who doesn't win. | 02:32 |
LjL | ecov, i am aware. | 02:32 |
graphine | i read it LjL | 02:32 |
rager | GOP might be the Conservative party | 02:32 |
rager | but the Democrats are the conservative party | 02:32 |
rager | people are afraid of losing | 02:32 |
rager | and they're told all their lives that running to the center is how you fight the GOP | 02:32 |
graphine | i liked him too and i agree and i do not think biden is a bad choice | 02:32 |
rager | why risk it and go against the Conventional Wisdom? | 02:32 |
ubLIX | @ "afraid of losing" - but in what world can Biden win? | 02:33 |
graphine | for lots of americans sanders is almost a communist lol | 02:33 |
graphine | for us europeans not | 02:33 |
rager | Biden is a cipher for the Democratic party | 02:33 |
rager | "Not HIM, THEM" | 02:33 |
graphine | how could trump win | 02:34 |
graphine | all told trump will never win too | 02:34 |
ubLIX | Biden can barely string a sentence together. Makes Trump look eloquent | 02:34 |
graphine | did you forget that | 02:34 |
rager | by shitting in the pool and claiming that Biden is also pooping | 02:34 |
rager | I'm just disappointed that Bernie didn't stick around long enough for Biden to let a "look, Jew!" slip | 02:35 |
linext | how long till 2mil? | 02:35 |
graphine | the fact is that lots of americans like trump | 02:35 |
graphine | and some are only ashamed of him | 02:35 |
ubLIX | %cases world | 02:35 |
Brainstorm | ubLIX: In all areas, World, there are 1698813 cases, 102727 deaths (6.0% of cases), 376098 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 02:35 |
rager | "Look, fat!" | 02:35 |
graphine | why cant the world deal with the fact that most americans like trump? | 02:35 |
rager | Biden loses by drawing a poor contrast with Trump | 02:35 |
ubLIX | graphine: that is no longer obviously true | 02:36 |
graphine | most german like angela merkel and most english like boris | 02:36 |
rager | he's got corrupt kids and #MeToo scandals, just like Trump | 02:36 |
rager | "most americans" | 02:36 |
rager | Trump won on a minority of the vote | 02:36 |
graphine | its is ubLIX you just would like a different truth so do i | 02:36 |
graphine | but its not gonna happen | 02:36 |
rager | a non-plurality minority, at that | 02:36 |
ubLIX | see above - minority vote | 02:36 |
ubLIX | and his ratings are tanking | 02:37 |
graphine | you do not need more than 50 percent to win an election | 02:37 |
graphine | thats the fact | 02:37 |
rager | "tanking" | 02:37 |
rager | they're steady | 02:37 |
Dan[m]1 | A lot like Trump and even more tolerate him because the alternatives were far worse. | 02:37 |
LjL | graphine, that is a fact, but it is unrelated to whether ot not most americans like him | 02:37 |
rager | lots of people prefer grievance-based politics | 02:37 |
ecov | the DNC just fucked you guys over and chose a candidate FOR you and youre complaining about trump still | 02:37 |
rager | and Trump went all-in on white grievance | 02:37 |
rager | there are a lot of Americans who want to take a hard facist turn to bring back the good ol' days | 02:37 |
ubLIX | %cases US | 02:38 |
Brainstorm | ubLIX: In all areas, US, there are 502049 cases, 18719 deaths (3.7% of cases), 27239 recoveries as of 17 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:38 |
graphine | you know what it those excuse just piss me off | 02:38 |
ubLIX | ^ the alternatives were far worse? | 02:38 |
graphine | people vote for someone | 02:38 |
rager | is true | 02:38 |
graphine | and later they say oh i didnt want him | 02:38 |
LjL | how about we move away to gloomy&doomy COVID-19 now anyway? as i've said a few times, politics are fine, but they have to be somewhat relevant to COVID and not too namecall-ish. i'm not saying "stop", i've taken part in this discussion too, but if someone joined now, they'd be very perplexed as to whether this is a channel about COVID-19 | 02:38 |
graphine | just did not habe any opportunity | 02:38 |
ecov | the way the DNC is setup is corrupt as hell, graphine | 02:38 |
rager | propaganda doesn't override free will | 02:38 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 00:19 UTC: Coronavirus: 28 arrested in Maryland for violating Gov. Larry Hogan's coronavirus-related orders → https://is.gd/89zwrs | 02:38 |
rager | then again | 02:38 |
graphine | fact is 38% of all germans voted for hitler | 02:38 |
graphine | later no one did | 02:38 |
graphine | from what they said | 02:38 |
graphine | people are always like that | 02:39 |
rager | when the turnout for primaries is under 50%, how is it even an indication of popular sentiment? | 02:39 |
danielp3344 | wth... | 02:39 |
LjL | okay, now i can say "stop", strong with Godwin's law! | 02:39 |
graphine | boris johnson brexit | 02:39 |
danielp3344 | <Brainstorm "New from r/Coronavirus* at 00:19"> this is sub-optimal... | 02:39 |
LjL | (or some misinterpretation of it) | 02:39 |
graphine | after the elections they wanted it different | 02:39 |
ecov | https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/11/democrat-primary-elections-need-reform | 02:39 |
graphine | NON SENSE! | 02:39 |
rager | nope, invoking Nazis is automatic game-over | 02:39 |
ecov | " If the Democrats want any hope of voting Trump out of the White House, it is urgent they fix this broken system before the next election." | 02:39 |
rager | everybody loses | 02:39 |
ecov | enter: Biden | 02:40 |
ecov | lol | 02:40 |
rager | what broken system | 02:40 |
ecov | LOL | 02:40 |
rager | everything works as intended | 02:40 |
danielp3344 | there's no actual information... | 02:40 |
ecov | we have our candidate, move along nothing to see here | 02:40 |
graphine | people just fear to stand for what they did that is all just a big shut and after something happened they do not want to pay for the show | 02:41 |
rager | hm | 02:41 |
danielp3344 | I was just thinking about the cannonball run thing too | 02:41 |
rager | doing a coast-to-coast run now that the roads are clear? | 02:41 |
danielp3344 | rager: someone just set a new record | 02:41 |
danielp3344 | 26 hours | 02:41 |
graphine | i mean that trump seriously have chances again doesnt make me think about biden or trump it makes me think of the american !!! | 02:42 |
rager | what kinda car? | 02:42 |
graphine | if they really consider trump again | 02:42 |
graphine | they are obviously idiots | 02:42 |
danielp3344 | rager: 2019 audi a8 IIRC | 02:42 |
ubLIX | we changed the subject, graphine | 02:42 |
rager | graphine: George Bush won two terms. He was reelected with a majority of the vote. | 02:42 |
danielp3344 | It's a shame that the record has only been set once in an american car lol | 02:42 |
rager | it's been a while since American cars could set those kinds of records | 02:43 |
danielp3344 | rager: hey now | 02:43 |
LjL | enough politics now | 02:43 |
LjL | it's getting out of hand | 02:43 |
danielp3344 | LjL: lol | 02:43 |
LjL | let's talk about the virus that is, in turn, getting out of han | 02:43 |
LjL | d | 02:43 |
graphine | ubLIX, there you go if you do not get the result you want you change the subject there you have your answer for the question you asked | 02:43 |
danielp3344 | LjL: thoughts on DNA vaccines? | 02:43 |
graphine | think about it | 02:43 |
ryouma | i want to know the effect of the latter on the former | 02:44 |
rager | yo graphine , Germany voted for Hitler | 02:44 |
ryouma | LjL: | 02:44 |
ubLIX | ok, lets move on | 02:44 |
graphine | yes rager | 02:44 |
ryouma | is there current polling | 02:44 |
graphine | they did | 02:44 |
LjL | danielp3344, far from an expert on the subject. i'm hoping more for therapeutics at the moment though, because... we can't stay locked down for 18 months | 02:44 |
ecov | recent polls show that pre-election polling is useless information | 02:44 |
rager | in other news, is there enough mask yet? | 02:45 |
rager | where is the mask? | 02:45 |
rager | how many mask does it have? | 02:45 |
graphine | in the last free elections they did vote for him 38.1% if i remember right | 02:45 |
ryouma | we can't? what are your preduictions if we do? | 02:45 |
LjL | rager, well Italy is producing masks "for the general population" now, only problem is there is absolutely ZERO certification requirements for them | 02:45 |
LjL | they may as well just be paper with holes cut for the ears, and they will qualify as masks | 02:45 |
graphine | where is the trouble to produce masks | 02:46 |
graphine | its hillarious | 02:46 |
graphine | i do not understand that | 02:46 |
graphine | is the right fabric missing? | 02:46 |
LjL | ... presumably? | 02:47 |
LjL | face masks have not been produced in Italy (or, i think, most western countries) for a long time | 02:47 |
graphine | i guess it is not interesting economically | 02:47 |
graphine | thats all | 02:47 |
LjL | FPP2 respirators and similar are not trivial products to make, and for them to be safe, they must undergo tests and certifications | 02:47 |
LjL | things that there is not much time for at the moment | 02:47 |
ryouma | the n95 type need a special fabric while the surgical need fluid resistance | 02:47 |
rager | masks are electrospun from stuff | 02:48 |
rager | it's not just cotton and thread or something | 02:48 |
graphine | i know that | 02:48 |
ryouma | china might be one of the major sources for the surgical | 02:48 |
ryouma | for the layer | 02:48 |
graphine | why do you always think other are stupid | 02:48 |
rager | plus, certification | 02:48 |
graphine | i am a technician | 02:48 |
rager | things that cause suffering and death aren't hilarious | 02:48 |
graphine | i at least used such mnasks | 02:48 |
LjL | graphine, well why do you ask "is the right fabric missing" then? of course it's missing, otherwise we'd just be cutting it, adding elastic bands, and giving them to doctors | 02:48 |
graphine | i am not a programmer | 02:49 |
rager | you're the one acting like it's both hilarious that countries can't produce PPE and the one who thinks it's trivial, not me | 02:49 |
graphine | it is hillarious | 02:49 |
graphine | it is trivial | 02:49 |
graphine | it is just not interesting economically | 02:49 |
graphine | thats it | 02:49 |
rager | and yet... it's not, and it's not | 02:49 |
LjL | have you seen how much masks currently go for? | 02:49 |
LjL | how is it NOT economically interesting now? | 02:50 |
Dan[m]1 | I’ve built 3 based off the Hk mask design, they are easy enough and comfortable. | 02:50 |
rager | because people are dying, and advanced well-funded economies are having trouble doing it | 02:50 |
rager | so where's the humor, again? | 02:50 |
LjL | it clearly wasn't economically interesting before, and so we stopped making them. but since that's the past and can't be changed, we can't just suddenly have the know-how and tools to start making them immediately and suddenly and also certify their quality within days | 02:50 |
rager | and I've built some plastic masks, but that's not the same thing as mass-producing n95 masks | 02:51 |
graphine | do you guys ever accept the reality? | 02:51 |
ubLIX | *sigh* | 02:51 |
graphine | in germany some companies just stopped producing stuff becuase they get money from the gov for their workers | 02:51 |
LjL | graphine, go on with this "you guys" rhetoric and i'll reinstate the quiet you briefly got | 02:51 |
rager | are you a prick in your native language, too? | 02:51 |
LjL | rager, and you tone it down too please | 02:52 |
graphine | and of course we have companies in germany that can produce masks right away | 02:52 |
rager | ok | 02:52 |
graphine | they will not because they do not any money for it | 02:52 |
LjL | ynhof[m] said something about mask making but i'm pretty sure no one on IRC except me even clicked the long message link | 02:52 |
Toadisattva | I'm gonna have to go grocery shopping soon, not looking forward to it lol | 02:52 |
ynhof[m] | Sorry, didn't realise they come as links when that long | 02:53 |
graphine | i do not know where you from rager | 02:53 |
graphine | but in the usa they cant even produce cars | 02:53 |
danielp3344 | LjL: I didn't quite understand his idea :/ | 02:53 |
danielp3344 | I'm gonna buy another car soon | 02:54 |
graphine | &clear | 02:54 |
danielp3344 | prices are pretty low | 02:54 |
LjL | ynhof[m], yeah, that's the way the Matrix-IRC gateway handles them to avoid being kicked off for excess flooding. it's not your fault, the bridging thing is kind of rough around the edges. | 02:54 |
rager | graphine, enough nationalist nonsense | 02:55 |
rager | it's a bad look for Germans | 02:55 |
rager | "germany, germany above everything" | 02:55 |
graphine | kiss my ass rager | 02:55 |
graphine | you can kick ban me forever here | 02:55 |
graphine | thanks | 02:55 |
graphine | whatever rager | 02:56 |
LjL | graphine, i have another idea. what about you take 30 minutes away from the channel (and ideally the computer) and listen to some music or just relax | 02:56 |
graphine | i am pretty sure you do know everything | 02:56 |
graphine | idiot | 02:56 |
LjL | you're angry, and we're all stressed from this thing. but you are kinda just raging now | 02:56 |
LjL | i can't let you just insult other people | 02:56 |
\n3p\ | lol | 02:57 |
LjL | come back in a bit, if you'd like... or don't, i guess it's not up to me | 02:57 |
rager | I should go walk the dog | 02:57 |
danielp3344 | I'm confused about what the argument is here... | 02:57 |
LjL | danielp3344, politics gone wrong | 02:57 |
LjL | (how unusual) | 02:57 |
danielp3344 | Anyone else buying cars now? | 02:58 |
\n3p\ | It's good time to buy cars. Are cheap and gas is under $1/gl | 02:59 |
ubLIX | struggling to make sense of ynhof[m]'s design | 02:59 |
danielp3344 | \n3p\: where do you live?! | 03:00 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed worldwide Covid-19 death toll passes 100,000 → https://is.gd/BFm4Rq | 03:02 |
Dan[m]1 | ubLIX: I really like this design, and the video makes it easy to follow... | 03:03 |
Dan[m]1 | https://diymask.site | 03:03 |
Chromanin | %data Lebanon | 03:07 |
Brainstorm | Chromanin: In all areas, Lebanon, there are 609 cases, 20 deaths (3.3% of cases), 76 recoveries as of 13 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lebanon for time series data. | 03:07 |
Chromanin | not bad | 03:07 |
Chromanin | unless you're one of the 20 dead ofc | 03:07 |
danielp3344 | %data maryland | 03:09 |
Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 6968 cases, 171 deaths (2.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:09 |
Addf | hello | 03:11 |
danielp3344 | Addf: hi | 03:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:08 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China says 42 out of 46 new cases were 'imported': China's National Health Commission said there have been 81,953 confirmed cases and 3,339 deaths in the country since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 03:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs as WHO warns on second wave → https://is.gd/15mkND | 03:27 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Massive Spike in NYC ‘Cardiac Arrest’ Deaths Seen as Sign of COVID-19 Undercounting (10445 votes) | https://redd.it/fynx45 | 03:33 |
ynhof[m] | Yeah it does make you feel like you are having a heart attack^^ | 03:38 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1735 cases (now 1700161), +64 deaths (now 102758), +148 recoveries (now 376243) since an hour ago — US: +1055 cases (now 502876), +52 deaths (now 18747), +75 recoveries (now 27314) since an hour ago — Quebec, Canada: +765 cases (now 11677) since a day ago | 03:38 |
ecov | %data Az | 03:52 |
Brainstorm | ecov: In Arizona, US, there are 3112 cases, 97 deaths (3.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:52 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:58 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China says 42 out of 46 new cases were 'imported': China's National Health Commission said there have been 81,953 confirmed cases and 3,339 deaths in the country since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 04:03 |
ryouma | is that believable? | 04:04 |
LjL | i mostly believe it | 04:07 |
LjL | but you'll get all sorts of different answers | 04:07 |
ryouma | when will the german data appear? | 04:08 |
LjL | what data are we missing? | 04:10 |
ryouma | they are going to test "everybody in the country" | 04:11 |
ryouma | or so they say | 04:11 |
LjL | oh, i doubt they will | 04:11 |
Hello_0 | people with covid should go to Australia to get cured | 04:11 |
LjL | at least not in the short-medium term | 04:11 |
LjL | they may test a decent random sample with any luck | 04:11 |
LjL | Hello_0, damn, why didn't i think of that before! violating the lockdown, catching a non-existent plane, and entering a country that is most definitely not willing to let me in, then just walk into a hospital | 04:12 |
ryouma | %data covid | 04:12 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, covid not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:12 |
ryouma | %data germany | 04:12 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, Germany, there are 122171 cases, 2767 deaths (2.3% of cases), 53913 recoveries as of 11 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:12 |
Hello_0 | %data Australia | 04:13 |
Brainstorm | Hello_0: In all areas, Australia, there are 6238 cases, 54 deaths (0.9% of cases), 3141 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:13 |
Hello_0 | 3141 recoveries | 04:13 |
LjL | you know what, i'll just remove recoveries from the bot. they are meaningless and misleading in most cases. | 04:13 |
iz | %cases usa | 04:13 |
Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, US, there are 502876 cases, 18747 deaths (3.7% of cases), 27314 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:13 |
iz | half a million now | 04:13 |
Hello_0 | %data Norway | 04:14 |
Brainstorm | Hello_0: In all areas, Norway, there are 6314 cases, 113 deaths (1.8% of cases), 32 recoveries as of 13 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Norway for time series data. | 04:14 |
Hello_0 | 32 recoveries | 04:14 |
ryouma | cases are presumably clinical or pcr or non-pcr? | 04:14 |
ryouma | deaths are presumably some coroner or medic saying official? | 04:14 |
LjL | ryouma, it really differs by country i'm afraid | 04:15 |
LjL | cases are most often only PCR-confirmed cases | 04:15 |
LjL | in China, though, at some point they allowed them to be confirmed clinically | 04:15 |
LjL | and that caused a sudden spike in cases | 04:15 |
LjL | but i think most countries are defining them as PCR-verified | 04:15 |
LjL | deaths are often also based only on previously confirmed cases, but not always, making *even* deaths an unreliable value to some extent | 04:16 |
Hello_0 | way to go Australia | 04:16 |
LjL | like a few days ago, the UK announced they *would* start notifying the deaths that were not happening in hospitals | 04:16 |
LjL | Hello_0, is what i'm saying somehow implying that those recoveries in Australia are not a completely artificial metric on which to base anything? | 04:17 |
LjL | because that's not my intent | 04:17 |
ryouma | what is the sensitivity and selectivity of pcr? i know it is really bad for serology. | 04:17 |
Hello_0 | im not commenting you | 04:18 |
ryouma | i am confused as to your comments | 04:19 |
ryouma | Hello_0: | 04:19 |
Hello_0 | so im I | 04:19 |
Hello_0 | so am I | 04:19 |
ryouma | brain fog? | 04:20 |
Hello_0 | autralia is doing extremelly well | 04:20 |
ryouma | don't have the energy to check that on covidly | 04:21 |
Hello_0 | what meds are they using to treat covid? | 04:21 |
ryouma | population size etc. but if there is any truth to lipkin suggesting summer could cause a reprieve, then australia is heading into winter so it might be in trouble | 04:21 |
Hello_0 | every coutry should falow suit | 04:22 |
ryouma | Hello_0: check this out: | 04:22 |
ryouma | %data taiwan | 04:22 |
Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, Taiwan, there are 382 cases, 6 deaths (1.6% of cases), 91 recoveries as of 4 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 04:22 |
Hello_0 | 382 cases,? | 04:22 |
ryouma | much of that is due to masks and taking it seriously early i think | 04:22 |
Hello_0 | taking it seriously early proally | 04:23 |
PlanckWalk | Confirmed cases in 80+ age group in Australia are very much lower than in younger age groups. | 04:23 |
ryouma | and sinophony | 04:23 |
ryouma | has been speculated | 04:23 |
PlanckWalk | And yes, much earlier action than most countries | 04:24 |
PlanckWalk | (In terms of e.g. deaths) | 04:24 |
Hello_0 | also asia as jumped to this mask using a long time ago | 04:24 |
ryouma | they learned it from the usa apparently, around 1918 | 04:24 |
Hello_0 | since bird flu? | 04:24 |
ryouma | spanish | 04:25 |
Hello_0 | or was it casue polution | 04:25 |
ryouma | and they have a more altruistic culture and shame-based culture so they don't cough on others when they are sick; they wear masks | 04:25 |
ryouma | they wear masks when they have colds so as not to infect others (perhaps also to humidify or filter dunno) | 04:25 |
Hello_0 | shame-based culture just what we need | 04:26 |
ryouma | we really need a cuylture where you wear a mask when you are sick just like in japan | 04:26 |
Hello_0 | i think its was around bird flu that it become fashonale | 04:27 |
Hello_0 | fashoinable | 04:28 |
ryouma | there are also fashions, which might indeed be then, but they have been wearing masks since the early 1900s in japan | 04:28 |
Hello_0 | i think also cause polution | 04:28 |
ryouma | some do for that | 04:29 |
nixonix | in japan, somebody drops from roof or whatever and is taken to hospital, the first thing they do is put the mask on his face. i think it just makes them feel safe | 04:32 |
Hello_0 | o cup of tea? | 04:32 |
Hello_0 | yoiu should free airways in such case | 04:33 |
ynhof[m] | What type of tea do you offer.? | 04:36 |
Hello_0 | https://yro.slashdot.org/story/20/04/10/1934250/snowden-warns-governments-are-using-coronavirus-to-build-the-architecture-of-oppression | 04:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases passes 500,000, China reports 46 more infections → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 04:37 |
Hello_0 | most ailments can e eased with a cup of tea | 04:38 |
LjL | has there been a double blind trial on that? | 04:38 |
xrogaan | %title https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/massive-spike-in-nyc-cardiac-arrest-deaths-seen-as-sign-of-covid-19-undercounting/2368678/ | 04:38 |
Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.nbcnewyork.com: Massive Spike in NYC ‘Cardiac Arrest’ Deaths Seen as Sign of COVID-19 Undercounting – NBC New York | 04:38 |
xrogaan | I suspected as much | 04:38 |
LjL | i've known as much from Italy et al | 04:39 |
Hello_0 | it also fights thypho or colera | 04:39 |
Hello_0 | boiled water | 04:39 |
LjL | i think we tend to prefer to stick to science-based medicine here | 04:39 |
Hello_0 | boiled water is science-based | 04:40 |
xrogaan | Hello_0: the framework of oppression isn't really because the various governments wants to oppress, but rather they know they won't have a choice in order to maintain social order in the long term. It's my pessimistic view of the world speaking. | 04:41 |
xrogaan | Climate change, sea level rising, inevitable market collapse, we're not headed towards great times. | 04:41 |
xrogaan | covid precipitate everything. | 04:42 |
xrogaan | Well, not climate change, but rather the decisions. | 04:42 |
ynhof[m] | What about this cup of tea that was hot 3 hours ago? | 04:43 |
Hello_0 | its not for nothing that asia has the iggest population | 04:43 |
Hello_0 | they most be doing something right foe a very long time | 04:44 |
LjL | i am very confused by the things you're saying. | 04:45 |
LjL | having a big population is not necessarily a plus, and when it comes to epidemics, it tends to be a definite minus | 04:45 |
Hello_0 | and its not like they dont have pandemies | 04:45 |
xrogaan | Population amount is unrelated. | 04:45 |
LjL | additionally, China has had a one-child policy for a long time (though they mostly dropped it now) *because* they didn't think having a huge population was great | 04:45 |
LjL | i'm really not sure what you're getting at, but your assumptions seem flaky at best | 04:46 |
Hello_0 | for ex: the plague originated there | 04:46 |
Hello_0 | Im refering to a very long time! | 04:47 |
xrogaan | LjL: they now follow the 2 children policy. | 04:48 |
Hello_0 | why? | 04:48 |
Hello_0 | overpopulation | 04:49 |
LjL | so they are doing something right by being overpopulated... but they are also doing something wrong, because that's giving them epidemics. | 04:49 |
LjL | am i following so far? | 04:49 |
Hello_0 | no | 04:49 |
Hello_0 | in spite off | 04:50 |
Hello_0 | clear as water | 04:52 |
Hello_0 | you are just trying to put a spin on what i was saying | 04:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: another death in NSW takes state toll to 23 and national toll to 56 – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y9 | 04:54 |
ubLIX | interesting blether about bats and immune systems: https://get21stnight.com/2020/03/30/why-do-we-keep-getting-diseases-from-bats/ | 05:01 |
LjL | Hello_0, i'm trying to understand your point because it's not clear to me at all. | 05:05 |
Hello_0 | its not for nothing that asia has the biggest population | 05:10 |
Hello_0 | they most be doing something right for a very long time | 05:11 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, China reports 46 new infections → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 05:11 |
Hello_0 | that is what im saying | 05:11 |
LjL | ubLIX, very high-level but interesting | 05:13 |
Hello_0 | sung dinasty had technology 2000 years before occident | 05:13 |
LjL | Hello_0, the Sung dynasty began in the year 960. Are you a visitor from the year 3000? | 05:14 |
Hello_0 | its was on history channel yesterday | 05:15 |
Hello_0 | well i suppose that stuff was even before that | 05:16 |
pwr22 | Cov Bot knows about Finnish regions now | 05:16 |
pwr22 | !cases Pirkanmaa | 05:16 |
CovBot | In Pirkanmaa, Finland there have been a total of 164 cases as of 2020-04-11 03:15:13 UTC. | 05:16 |
pwr22 | I woke up after two hours | 05:19 |
Hello_0 | welcome to the matrix | 05:21 |
Hello_0 | mr smith | 05:21 |
pwr22 | Is there anyone Finnish in here? | 05:24 |
pwr22 | I remember someone asked for this but I forget who | 05:25 |
Hello_0 | my cat | 05:25 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:26 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The United States recorded 2,037 deaths today. This is the highest total so far, but is also consistent with a ~5.5 day doubling time, which is slower than a week ago. → https://is.gd/r5PXeX | 05:29 |
Hello_0 | can mosquitos carry covid? | 05:32 |
Hello_0 | there is no information nor evidence | 05:34 |
Hello_0 | https://agrilifetoday.tamu.edu/2020/03/20/can-ticks-and-mosquitoes-transmit-the-coronavirus/ | 05:34 |
pwr22 | Sounds like you've answered your own question? | 05:35 |
Birosso | Then why talk about it? | 05:35 |
Hello_0 | i googled it | 05:35 |
Hello_0 | i bet they can | 05:36 |
Birosso | Why are you betting they can without any evidence or further information? | 05:37 |
Hello_0 | educated guess | 05:37 |
Birosso | Okay. | 05:37 |
mo0kie | interesting... why wouldn't they? | 05:39 |
Birosso | Don't know. Not an expert. | 05:39 |
Hello_0 | https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzMzI4ODI3MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMzAwODM3._V1_.jpg | 05:40 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Poll: 59 percent of voters more concerned about rolling back social distancing too soon than economic fallout (10338 votes) | https://redd.it/fyrwbc | 05:40 |
Hello_0 | this is me 1 year from now | 05:40 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 05:46 |
ynhof[m] | What would you think of the possibility of having asymptomatically shed live virus on others after realising you are infected | 05:46 |
ynhof[m] | In terms of emotional response, and what one might think introspectively in light of this | 05:47 |
ynhof[m] | put simply in broader terms: how would you feel if you realised you had likely infected a cluster of people. | 05:49 |
Hello_0 | i would slice my wrists | 05:50 |
ynhof[m] | It's an interesting subject because a lot of people might be thinking about this now in the usa | 05:51 |
Hello_0 | better then be at the mercy of said people | 05:51 |
ynhof[m] | How would one be at their mercy? I didn't folloe completelysorry | 05:53 |
Hello_0 | how many infected people are grinding axes ? | 05:54 |
Hello_0 | against people they think infected then? | 05:55 |
ubLIX | i'm not finding this mood very interesting | 05:55 |
ubLIX | Hello_0: what time zone are you in? | 05:56 |
Hello_0 | i didnt started it | 05:56 |
ubLIX | what time zone are you in? | 05:56 |
Hello_0 | whats it to you? | 05:56 |
ubLIX | so i can pick a time to unquiet you | 05:57 |
ubLIX | when would you like to come back? is what i'm saying | 05:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, China reports 46 new infections → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 05:58 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Italy to receive US aid: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 06:10 |
Hello_0 | im my grinding axe to split a mosquito | 06:11 |
ryouma | 500k is a lot of cases. presumably the real number is much higher. | 06:25 |
Hello_0 | this covid spreads faster than light | 06:26 |
light | ._. | 06:27 |
tinwhiskers | Heh | 06:28 |
euod[m] | ryouma: 500k confirmed could mean anything, sadly. | 06:30 |
euod[m] | ryouma: if you expect 10x non-discovered, that's 1.5% of the population. | 06:30 |
euod[m] | which doesn't feel unlikely at this point, given the rate of growth of confirmed cases and the lag time. | 06:32 |
Hello_0 | after a certain % mitigation becomes meanigless | 06:33 |
euod[m] | well, probably after we start using percentages for the US rather than numbers. | 06:33 |
euod[m] | 0.15% of the US population confirmed infected is still utterly crazy. | 06:34 |
Hello_0 | or im missing something | 06:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:26 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: another death in NSW takes state toll to 23 and national toll to 56 – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y9 | 06:35 |
Hello_0 | % of newyork population? | 06:35 |
ynhof[m] | %data New Zealand | 06:36 |
Brainstorm | ynhof[m]: In all areas, New Zealand, there are 1312 cases, 4 deaths (0.3% of cases), 422 recoveries as of 40 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Zealand for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 0.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 06:36 |
euod[m] | new york city is 8.6M, depending what data you read it's about 100k cases (but the region is different). | 06:37 |
euod[m] | but as a ham fisted number, NY city is 1.16%. | 06:37 |
Hello_0 | a guy that was ww2 prisoner recovered from covid | 06:37 |
ryouma | and new rochelle is concerned about its place in history. it should be more concerned about hygiene. | 06:38 |
Hello_0 | euod[m] that statistic makes better sense | 06:39 |
ryouma | which i shold too. practically every time i wash my hands, a tiny dfroplet splashes into my eyes. and sink cannot be cleaned. | 06:39 |
Hello_0 | wash were glass | 06:40 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 06:47 |
Hello_0 | %data Chile | 06:49 |
Brainstorm | Hello_0: In all areas, Chile, there are 6501 cases, 65 deaths (1.0% of cases), 1571 recoveries as of 53 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Chile for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 06:49 |
Hello_0 | 1571 recoveries | 06:49 |
Hello_0 | good country to get cured | 06:49 |
Hello_0 | %data Ecuador | 06:51 |
Brainstorm | Hello_0: In all areas, Ecuador, there are 7161 cases, 297 deaths (4.1% of cases), 368 recoveries as of 55 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ecuador for time series data. | 06:51 |
Hello_0 | 368 recoveries bad country to get cured | 06:52 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:56 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Italy to receive US aid: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 06:59 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, German cases exceed 117,600: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 07:11 |
Hello_0 | lets say you could vax for every pathogen could the imune system coop with such vacine? | 07:16 |
rager | "Who knows" | 07:18 |
rager | It probably wouldn't be effective to just stick someone with a mix of everything at once | 07:19 |
rager | So you're working with something novel with unknown traits, here | 07:19 |
rager | I take that back. The answer is "yes" because if your immune system can't take it, you by definition can't make a vaccine for every disease | 07:21 |
ryouma | some areconcerned that the vaccine schedule for children is too aggressive and should be spaced out | 07:22 |
euod[m] | why? | 07:22 |
ryouma | dunno | 07:22 |
euod[m] | people are retards with vaccines. | 07:23 |
ryouma | a bunch of stuff was combined recently | 07:23 |
ryouma | retards are everywhere :) | 07:23 |
euod[m] | ask a random person about space travel and they'll say nothing, but oh lordy they're an expert on vaccines. | 07:23 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: another death in NSW takes state toll to 23 and national toll to 56 – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y9 | 07:23 |
ryouma | well, space travel means, you need oxygen, no leaks, propulsion, stuff like that. no big deal. | 07:24 |
ryouma | helps if you don't use astronauts who fly off the handle and start shooting randomly like in alien | 07:24 |
euod[m] | I'm saying for some reason they think they're an expert. | 07:25 |
euod[m] | even though they probably have the same amount of understanding of both subjects. | 07:25 |
ryouma | i'm joking | 07:25 |
ryouma | trying to lighten the mood | 07:25 |
euod[m] | hard to tell. lots of idiots in this channel too, like the rest of the world :) | 07:26 |
ryouma | wlel maybe i'm an idiot | 07:27 |
ryouma | i might not know if i am right? | 07:28 |
ryouma | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-group_homogeneity --- my guess is, the antivaxxers are a diverse lot, is all i know. levels of rationality vary. i think that's probably the biggest thing a lot of anti-anti-vaxxers might want to know. likewise, a lot of anti-vaxxers might want to know that anti-anti-vaxxers are diverse. | 07:28 |
stinkpot | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.06.028647v1?rss=1 | 07:32 |
ryouma | stinkpot: interesting idea | 07:33 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 07:36 |
Hello_0 | i was thinking if having too many antibodies might inder the immune response to new threats | 07:44 |
Hello_0 | in all in favour of vacines thou | 07:44 |
Hello_0 | it wouldnt it be alot better to develop the antibodies for evey pathogen and use then to cure patientes | 07:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: return of overseas travellers 'meticulously planned' – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y9 | 08:00 |
Hello_0 | https://newatlas.com/deals/uv-shield-smartphone-sanitizer/ | 08:04 |
Hello_0 | would this work for cash? | 08:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:00 UTC: UK hunger crisis: 1.5m people go whole day without food: Councils and charities report ‘double whammy of austerity and Covid-19’ and urge government to step in → https://is.gd/EMl8jq | 08:12 |
Finesse | hello? | 08:19 |
Hello_0 | yes? | 08:20 |
Finesse | Just wondering how people in the world are doing. How are you, stranger? | 08:21 |
Hello_0 | Im covid negative what aout you? | 08:21 |
Finesse | Same. Been laying low. Where are you from? | 08:22 |
stevev916[m] | anybody seen this? https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fxucds/for_everyone_asking_why_i_didnt_include_the/ | 08:22 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 08:25 |
Finesse | thats crazy, steve916 | 08:27 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:34 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, German cases exceed 117,600: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 08:37 |
ecrockz123 | Some corporates are thinking of pooled testing of workers | 08:42 |
ryouma | for conserving test kits? | 08:48 |
ryouma | logn to find a case? | 08:49 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 06:39 UTC: Coronavirus: Doctors' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA: The British Medical Association says doctors are treating Covid-19 patients without proper protection. → https://is.gd/BSBvyr | 08:49 |
tinwhiskers | finally caught a fish today so I get to eat meat that doesn't come out of a can again. \o/ | 09:03 |
tinwhiskers | Our lockdown has been extended for a 3rd week despite all cases in quarantine having been cleared | 09:03 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: return of overseas travellers 'meticulously planned' – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y9 | 09:13 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1176 cases (now 1702021) since 5 hours ago — Ukraine: +308 cases (now 2511) since 5 hours ago — US: +301 cases (now 503177) since 5 hours ago | 09:20 |
Khu | Treatment of norovirus particles with citrate: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682215003281 | 09:22 |
Khu | acid lactic and citric acid are both organic compounds. one from milk the other from lemons | 09:23 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 09:25 |
tinwhiskers | Khu: norovirus? | 09:32 |
Khu | the way they kill specific virus is useful for covid-19, | 09:37 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:33 UTC: Coronavirus: US death toll passes 2,000 in a single day: America now has half a million confirmed coronavirus cases but the outbreak may soon begin to level off. → https://is.gd/HZjFHZ | 09:37 |
Khu | for example, citric acid and lactic acid have a ph of 3.4, THAT THE VIRUS will not like... as it likes acid evironments. | 09:38 |
Khu | https://www.aqion.de/site/191 gives a list of ph of common acid and bases | 09:39 |
MjrTom[m] | The body regulates pH internally. You can do little to affect that. You definitely do not want to inhale citric acid | 09:40 |
Khu | all what I do is check what people post, to believe is to be lazy.. you have to check and learn. | 09:40 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:42 UTC: Coronavirus: Doctors' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA: The British Medical Association says doctors are treating Covid-19 patients without proper protection. → https://is.gd/BSBvyr | 09:50 |
Hello_0 | spray citric acid on mask | 09:56 |
ynhof[m] | Hmm citrus vaping for a cure... | 09:57 |
ynhof[m] | Accidentally went shopping for 10 minutes. hope no one dies | 09:57 |
Hello_0 | spray perfume | 09:58 |
Hello_0 | should help too | 09:58 |
ynhof[m] | I heard some impoverished families in the middle east believed troll posts online and gave their children methylated spirits to drink as a form of innocculation. | 10:02 |
ynhof[m] | Their children may be never see again. | 10:02 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 10:02 |
jester | https://www.healthline.com/health/ph-of-blood | 10:03 |
ynhof[m] | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-coronavirus-methanol-drink-cure-deaths-fake-a9429956.html | 10:04 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:11 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, German cases exceed 117,600: Total confirmed coronavirus cases in the U.S. has reached 500,399, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 10:14 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2277 cases (now 1704298), +69 deaths (now 102914) since an hour ago — Russia: +1667 cases (now 13584) since an hour ago — Philippines: +233 cases (now 4428) since an hour ago | 10:20 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Pasqua → https://is.gd/8mrydz | 10:26 |
\n3p\ | https://www.aei.org/research-products/report/estimating-the-true-number-of-chinas-covid-19-cases/ | 10:30 |
\n3p\ | [PDF] https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Estimating-the-True-Number-of-Chinas-COVID-19-Cases.pdf | 10:30 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 08:33 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Pentagono, il Generale Mark Milley parla agli avversari: "Non metteteci militarmente alla prova, non siamo indeboliti". → https://is.gd/s7QsUX | 10:38 |
Hello_0 | https://news.yahoo.com/hit-virus-pentagon-warns-enemies-dont-test-us-165113632.html | 10:42 |
Hello_0 | there fixed it | 10:43 |
Bruce[m] | Hi | 10:44 |
Hello_0 | sup? | 10:45 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Doctor Secures 650 Tablets So Coronavirus Patients 'Dying Alone' Can See Loved Ones for Last Time (10027 votes) | https://redd.it/fyo8ax | 10:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 500,000 as Trump faces 'biggest decision' on curbs → https://is.gd/15mkND | 10:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 11:03 |
jcay | so many new vaccine candidates https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/coronavirus-vaccines | 11:08 |
Bruce[m] | I heard that USA 🇺🇸 is leading . | 11:10 |
pwr22 | In what way? | 11:11 |
ecks | cases AND deaths | 11:13 |
ecks | usa number 1 | 11:13 |
\n3p\ | only in absolute numbers | 11:14 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus update live: return of overseas travellers 'meticulously planned' – latest news → https://is.gd/8NA5Y9 | 11:15 |
Bruce[m] | Cases | 11:16 |
Bruce[m] | But in africa the ranking is not that high | 11:16 |
\n3p\ | Africa is doing well for now. | 11:17 |
rplasmid | they arent testing | 11:18 |
rplasmid | no one is really testing | 11:18 |
rplasmid | at the scale they should | 11:18 |
rplasmid | except sk | 11:18 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2748 cases (now 1707046), +387 deaths (now 103301) since an hour ago — Belgium: +1351 cases (now 28018), +327 deaths (now 3346) since an hour ago — Indonesia: +330 cases (now 3842) since an hour ago | 11:20 |
pwr22 | !compare uk;italy;us | 11:22 |
pwr22 | UK death rate is definitely creeping up | 11:23 |
pwr22 | *US | 11:23 |
rplasmid | where is the code for this bot | 11:24 |
pwr22 | !source | 11:25 |
CovBot | I was created by Peter Roberts and MIT licensed on Github at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot. I fetch new data every 15 minutes from http://offloop.net/covid19h/unconfirmed.csv, https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/ca796627a2294c51926865748c4a56e8/data, https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/b684319181f94875a6879bbc833ca3a6/data and | 11:25 |
CovBot | https://w3qa5ydb4l.execute-api.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/prod/finnishCoronaData/v2. Risk estimates are based on the model at https://www.desmos.com/calculator/v0zif7tflm. | 11:25 |
rplasmid | fantastic | 11:26 |
pwr22 | There's a few different bots in this room. Cov Bot is mine, Brainstorm is LjL's,CoronaBot is sYN4P515's, MrNodeBot is IronY's | 11:27 |
pwr22 | LjL is the channel admin so Brainstorm is the most official bot for this room 😁 | 11:28 |
rplasmid | getting some basic python modelling done with SIR now and was curious | 11:31 |
rplasmid | may go deeper and use stata on covid data | 11:32 |
pwr22 | SIR/ | 11:32 |
rplasmid | assess public health interventions on some other variable | 11:32 |
pwr22 | *? | 11:32 |
rplasmid | susceptible, infected, "recovered" | 11:33 |
\n3p\ | Does MIT models are based in Dynamo or something like that? | 11:33 |
rplasmid | my applied microeconometrics class uses stata | 11:33 |
rplasmid | I want to use python data science tools instead | 11:33 |
rplasmid | but may end up just using stata | 11:33 |
rplasmid | better than eviews | 11:33 |
rplasmid | and all better than excel | 11:34 |
rplasmid | https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/492271-poll-59-of-voters-more-concerned-about-rolling-back-social | 11:35 |
Bruce[m] | Let’s manage a conference call | 11:37 |
ynhof[m] | Wow, so cool I am surrounded by programmers :D | 11:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Riapertura → https://is.gd/2ZzMkC | 11:39 |
aradesh | i was just thinking of a way a country could have completely sealed themselves against the virus. you could control the borders in the following way: anyone who comes in (say locals returning home) go through a quarantine centre, and secondly any deliveries of goods be left for say 48 hours, before being touched by anyone | 11:40 |
aradesh | in a holding area | 11:40 |
pwr22 | <ynhof[m] "Wow, so cool I am surrounded by "> There's at least a few in here | 11:40 |
Bruce[m] | So are doing it or what | 11:40 |
pwr22 | <Bruce[m] "So are doing it or what"> Eh? | 11:40 |
aradesh | i think that would have been achievable by 1st world nations, if planned back from mid-january when the situation first became obvious | 11:40 |
Bruce[m] | Yes | 11:41 |
Bruce[m] | So at least can I have ur permission | 11:41 |
pwr22 | Permission for what? | 11:42 |
Bruce[m] | The conference call | 11:42 |
pwr22 | Through Matrix? | 11:42 |
pwr22 | A lot of this room is actually IRC btw | 11:43 |
Bruce[m] | Yes it will work unless I have ur permission | 11:43 |
pwr22 | It's not my room so not my call, You'd need to ask LjL | 11:45 |
pwr22 | Can't see much harm on it though I'm not really up for it myself atm | 11:45 |
jcay | this sounds promising https://www.cytodyn.com/newsroom/press-releases/detail/413/blood-samples-at-day-0-3-and-7-for-severely-ill-covid-19 | 11:45 |
pwr22 | That's self-promotion there so .... not sure how much to think of that | 11:48 |
jcay | if they are in phase 2 already, that's faster than some other companies | 11:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3827 cases (now 1710873), +276 deaths (now 103577) since 35 minutes ago — Spain: +3579 cases (now 161852), +272 deaths (now 16353) since 35 minutes ago — Switzerland: +106 cases (now 24657) since 35 minutes ago | 11:50 |
Hello_0 | dont tell me that big pharma is going to actually cure people | 11:51 |
jcay | who else? god? | 11:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 11:51 |
ynhof[m] | The pygmies | 11:52 |
ynhof[m] | (Kidding of course). | 11:52 |
Hello_0 | instead of keeping them spending money treating the sintoms | 11:53 |
Hello_0 | if they treated most patients they would run out of clients | 11:55 |
jcay | with the pharm rivalry nowadays to defeat the disease it's no time for cheatery like that | 11:55 |
Hello_0 | curing people doesnt makes financial sense | 11:56 |
mefistofeles | Hello_0: they have plenty of clients and they will be even richer if they found a good treatment or cure | 11:56 |
mefistofeles | so yes, it's even a good business in that case | 11:56 |
Hello_0 | rrright | 11:56 |
Hello_0 | keep drinking the cool aid | 11:57 |
jcay | the one which "wins the lottery" of finding the most successful treatment will be filthy rich... like gazillions of $$$$, but I think it will be a few most successful though, maybe even a cocktail | 11:58 |
\n3p\ | Any evidence of your conspiracy theories Hello_0 ? | 11:59 |
Hello_0 | who did we get here? | 11:59 |
Hello_0 | how did we get here? | 11:59 |
ynhof[m] | Anyone use networkinhng toolsk on their android device? | 11:59 |
ynhof[m] | I.e nftables or system monitoring etc. | 11:59 |
\n3p\ | ynhof[m], any good android client for IRC? | 12:00 |
ynhof[m] | I actually am installing qemu via termux and will run irc in linux, lol. Don't know if I can suggest it | 12:01 |
mefistofeles | that's pretty overkill | 12:01 |
ynhof[m] | Definitely. | 12:02 |
Hello_0 | the only thing that makes financial sense is to keep milking the cow | 12:02 |
\n3p\ | Hello_0, for that you need that the cow lives | 12:02 |
Hello_0 | so do drug dealers | 12:02 |
Hello_0 | oh wait a | 12:03 |
Hello_0 | ... | 12:03 |
Hello_0 | you need that the cow alive while it still got milk ... | 12:04 |
Hello_0 | makes perfect financial sense | 12:05 |
Hello_0 | full prof logic | 12:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Tecnologia → https://is.gd/7WwEgw | 12:06 |
\n3p\ | Hello_0, It's time to help people to live. Protect most vulnerable and search for best treatments and strategy. Not for conspiracies bullshit | 12:07 |
ubLXI | mhm. rehashing these unoriginal fears is not why this channel came together | 12:09 |
ynhof[m] | Are you the same mod on an alt | 12:10 |
Hello_0 | just saying | 12:11 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 12:13 |
ubLIX | Hello_0: anyway, you seem not to be in ##coronavirus-vox - in that channel you might find someone willing to argue the incentives angle of the pharmaceutical industry | 12:14 |
Hello_0 | i dont do alt right crap | 12:16 |
Hello_0 | they just devalio | 12:17 |
Hello_0 | ating stuff | 12:17 |
Hello_0 | just like the alien crap on history channel | 12:18 |
pwr22 | Yeah, I agree this channel is not for conspiracy theories | 12:18 |
pwr22 | There are others out there for that | 12:19 |
Hello_0 | this is not a conspiracy theoy | 12:19 |
Hello_0 | its just logic 1+1=2 | 12:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: Matt Hancock under fire over PPE comments - live updates → https://is.gd/KXJF09 | 12:20 |
ubLIX | some features of the idea are not necessarily entirely CT; nevertheless the idea doesn't add much to our concerns here | 12:20 |
ubLIX | give ##coronavirus-vox another try | 12:21 |
ubLIX | and lurk here as long as you like | 12:21 |
pwr22 | Yeah, just keep it friendly - these things seem to degenerate into vitriol so much here 😧 | 12:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Russia reports over 1,500 new cases → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 12:27 |
Arsanerit | https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52246319 "Jane's phone downloads the central database" — that can't be right? Surely it'd just need to be queried for keys she's been in contact with? | 12:31 |
Timvde | \n3p\: I'm using weechat-android and really like it, but of course it requires some remote weechat set up | 12:34 |
\n3p\ | Timvde, ty | 12:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:30 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/qtLFPH | 12:34 |
Timvde | You can't "just" connect to an IRC server with it | 12:35 |
Timvde | Alternatively, I'd just say: check F-droid and try some out | 12:36 |
ynhof[m] | (Repost you may have seen)Do you have any suggestions for making networking connections on android more explicit i.e nftables ? | 12:43 |
ynhof[m] | (In personal experience) | 12:43 |
jacklsw | Don't confuse weechat with wechat app :P | 12:47 |
\n3p\ | There is an e of difference and a Chinese spyware of distance. | 12:49 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Spain's death toll falls for third straight day → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 12:52 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/xwcgQ2 | 13:04 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases pass 500,000, Spain's death toll falls for third straight day → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 13:16 |
sneep | Folding@Home is at 1,220,063 TFLOPS now :3 | 13:17 |
sneep | 1.2 exaflops | 13:18 |
sneep | That's some immense processing power | 13:19 |
Blankspace | Hi | 13:21 |
jacklsw | hey | 13:23 |
user848 | %data germany | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | user848: In all areas, Germany, there are 122171 cases, 2767 deaths (2.3% of cases), 53913 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 13:34 |
user848 | %data berlin | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | user848: Sorry, berlin not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 13:34 |
user848 | %data switzerland | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | user848: In all areas, Switzerland, there are 24900 cases, 1003 deaths (4.0% of cases), 11100 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Switzerland for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 13:34 |
user848 | %data sweden | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | user848: In all areas, Sweden, there are 9685 cases, 870 deaths (9.0% of cases), 381 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1206 cases (now 1712079) since an hour ago — Romania: +523 cases (now 5990) since an hour ago — Switzerland: +243 cases (now 24900) since an hour ago | 13:36 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:25 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/dKxzT6 | 13:40 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1855 cases (now 1713934), +126 deaths (now 103710) since 17 minutes ago — Iran: +1837 cases (now 70029), +125 deaths (now 4357) since 17 minutes ago | 13:51 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: Matt Hancock under fire over PPE comments - live updates → https://is.gd/KXJF09 | 13:53 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain in ‘stabilisation phase’ but US sees 2,000 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/15mkND | 14:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1360 cases (now 1715294), +133 deaths (now 103843) since 19 minutes ago — Netherlands: +1316 cases (now 24413), +132 deaths (now 2643) since 19 minutes ago | 14:06 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: US becomes first country to record over 2,000 coronavirus deaths in last 24 hours: Report (10010 votes) | https://redd.it/fyvnk8 | 14:24 |
jacklsw | 2k deaths. shit just got real bad | 14:26 |
Oblomov81 | chill bro | 14:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India to extend nationwide lockdown, US nears 20,000 deaths → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 14:29 |
ynhof[m] | Very sad to hear that. I hope containment and elimination are possible at this point | 14:31 |
Oblomov81 | still waiting for that chan and bot that live tallies the record of people dying at every second from cancer, flu etc | 14:31 |
ynhof[m] | lol | 14:32 |
Oblomov81 | the fact that people have been dying from coronavirus every year says a shit ton | 14:34 |
AimHere | People haven't been dying from this coronavirus every year. It's a novel one | 14:35 |
Oblomov81 | right. | 14:35 |
ubLIX | if you ask tinwhiskers nicely, he might add option to display sars-cov-2 effects as multiple of cancer/flu etc for each country | 14:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1566 cases (now 1716860), +67 deaths (now 103910) since 33 minutes ago — Portugal: +515 cases (now 15987) since 33 minutes ago — Sweden: +466 cases (now 10151) since 33 minutes ago | 14:36 |
ubLIX | s/ask/pay/ | 14:36 |
AimHere | As for death tolls from other diseases, Covid19 is roughly in the top 3 causes of death right now in the worst-hit countries. Where exactly in that top 3 varies | 14:36 |
ubLIX | sounds like not a small amount of work | 14:36 |
Oblomov81 | nah, i will pass. when i need that i will write my own D3/JS/perl script. shit ton of csv data on the web to scrap from | 14:36 |
Oblomov81 | AimHere where did you get this false information? | 14:37 |
AimHere | It's not false, though. For instance, the USA's normal death rate (outwith Covid19) is ~7700 deaths per day | 14:39 |
AimHere | Currently Covid19 is killing 2000 people per day | 14:39 |
Oblomov81 | Thing is there is no data as for the actual correlation between death from direct causation and death with detectable infection. eg Dying from a car collision but with cyanide in your system AND on the other hand just dying from cyanide | 14:40 |
AimHere | Mathematically that makes it certainly in the top 4, and in reality it's only heart disease and cancer that's got that order of deaths | 14:40 |
Oblomov81 | > 2000 deaths per day | 14:40 |
Oblomov81 | again false | 14:40 |
AimHere | There were 2000 people died yesterday with Covid19 | 14:40 |
ynhof[m] | Trying to weigh the value of human life, maybe I am myopic and choose to spend lots of money on the shutdown. I think if I was to think from the start about it, that might be my answer because I can't make sense of the economic figures. | 14:40 |
Oblomov81 | and the day before that? | 14:40 |
AimHere | Nearly 2000, Over 1900 | 14:41 |
AimHere | Similarly the day before that | 14:41 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NHS workers' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA → https://is.gd/BSBvyr | 14:41 |
\n3p\ | AimHere, If you just measures a day mortality rate and generalizes it maybe bananas on the street could be a big use some day. | 14:42 |
Oblomov81 | in a bad flu season, some deviation is expected. a couple of days dont spoil the whole data set. you need like data spreading at least 6 months. a couple of days i repeat are not adequate to make conclusions | 14:42 |
Timvde | Oblomov81: Also keep in mind that COVID-19 is killing that many people *despite* the countermeasures all countries are taking | 14:43 |
ynhof[m] | Are thererlots of related health complications that aren't going as covid deaths? Like the increase in cardiac issues jn NY. | 14:43 |
AimHere | A bad flu season doesn't kill people at the rate Covid19 is killing people. If you're saying we should wait for six months while this disease fills the morgue with corpses because we're not sure how lethal this disease is, you're in cloud cuckoo land | 14:44 |
AimHere | There are mass graves being dug in New York right now | 14:44 |
Timvde | It spreads more easy and has a higher death rate than the flue, all while nobody is having any resistance to it | 14:45 |
Timvde | And in case you didn't notice, we do create vaccines against the flu every year | 14:45 |
\n3p\ | COVID-19 is a serious killer. You don't need to wait until it kill millions to take measures. If you see the numbers at the end, probable not as killer as many expected but that is the DIRECT RESULT of the lockdown | 14:45 |
Timvde | But because this is new, there are no vaccines, and not acting will get *many* people killed | 14:46 |
Timvde | Maybe not Spanish Flu-many, but still a crazy amount | 14:46 |
Oblomov81 | the fact that you can get it and go through a mild illness which by the way you might never even know that you have an infection "of the most dangerous disease never seen before" says a ton oif you have common sense | 14:46 |
Timvde | Nobody said it's the most dangerous disease ever | 14:47 |
ynhof[m] | Good discussion folks, I like the different ideas. | 14:47 |
ynhof[m] | Stay productive with your communication and save yourself the trouble though eh :) | 14:47 |
Oblomov81 | AimHere seems to be reasoning along those lines | 14:47 |
Timvde | But it's relatively dangerous and spreads *very* easily | 14:47 |
AimHere | It's dangerous in that it lets a lot of people spread it while only killing a fraction of the people who get it | 14:47 |
Oblomov81 | AimHere whats the deathrate do you think? | 14:48 |
livebrain | a medical mild case is not what we think | 14:48 |
Oblomov81 | whats the "fraction"? | 14:48 |
livebrain | a mild case most of the times means pmeumonia | 14:48 |
livebrain | and a pmeumonia is always bad | 14:48 |
AimHere | Oblomov81, Something like 0.5-1% seems to be in the ballpark | 14:48 |
livebrain | and can leave you with lung "scars" for life | 14:48 |
AimHere | Indeed, that's deaths. There's also other harm caused by the virus in some patients | 14:48 |
Timvde | Yea, we don't know a lot about the long-term damage either | 14:49 |
Timvde | Doesn't mean we should dismiss the possibility that there is | 14:49 |
Timvde | (There are indications anyway) | 14:49 |
livebrain | and the way it affects ppl (in my understanding) is that it goes to the lower respiratory system. You then have a good imune system and fight it off | 14:50 |
ecrockz123 | When this pandemic will end | 14:50 |
livebrain | or pneumonia insues | 14:50 |
livebrain | and pneumonia kills alot of ppl each year, in my country alot of ppl die from it as a secondary infection in hospitals | 14:50 |
AimHere | Also it makes a lot of people so ill that they require hospitalization without killing them - making it (and other diseases) more lethal by taking up a lot of health resources. | 14:50 |
livebrain | this virus spreads fast, and it affects the lower part or the respiratory system, that makes it kinda dangerous | 14:51 |
AimHere | This disease seems to be causing excess deaths in non-Covid19 patients | 14:51 |
Oblomov81 | do you even have an actual idea how many people may die this year from malnutrition related illnesses from Africa due to the now unavoidable global recession? and how much of those are going to die from lake of medical attention with restrictions of travel from the lockadowns? can you comprehend these facts? and how they make a death rate of 0.5% | 14:53 |
Oblomov81 | look completely small | 14:53 |
Oblomov81 | fact remains this has been blown out of proportion | 14:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:48 UTC: (news): US coronavirus cases pass 500,000, Boris Johnson makes 'very good progress' in recovery → https://is.gd/hT1ORE | 14:53 |
AimHere | 0.5% of the population of the world is 35 million people | 14:53 |
Oblomov81 | that rate isnt even offical | 14:54 |
AimHere | That dwarfs the deaths due to malnutrition which is ~4-5 million | 14:54 |
AimHere | It's not. We don't know. It's early indications | 14:54 |
Oblomov81 | no its not | 14:54 |
AimHere | The case fatality rate from Covid19 in some places is maybe 10%, which is because we don't have a good testing regime in place | 14:55 |
AimHere | The figures are unknown, but they are serious | 14:55 |
Oblomov81 | >figures are unknown | 14:56 |
Oblomov81 | yet you persist to make these unfounded claims | 14:56 |
\n3p\ | Timvde, and it's known if could kill animals. Tigers in NY tested positive | 14:56 |
Oblomov81 | of how really terrible this is | 14:56 |
AimHere | Oblomov81, The exact figures of the number of cases is unknown. It is clear that this disease is killing lots of people | 14:56 |
Oblomov81 | \n3p\ thats completely irrelevant | 14:56 |
AimHere | It's swamping the health services of western cities | 14:57 |
Deerk | Hello | 14:57 |
Oblomov81 | no its not clear | 14:57 |
AimHere | It's forcing countries to dig mass graves | 14:57 |
Deerk | So I got outsmarted by a mouse | 14:57 |
Deerk | Who proceeded to move his whole family in | 14:57 |
Deerk | I've been told to come here | 14:57 |
Deerk | Apparently they can transmit to humans | 14:57 |
Deerk | Is this true? | 14:57 |
AimHere | It's doing this in a short space of time - maybe a month or so | 14:57 |
ecov | yes Deerk it'd be a good idea to quarantine everyone in the house | 14:58 |
ecov | including the mice | 14:58 |
AimHere | And right now it's a leading cause of death in the worst-hit countries, if not *the* leading cause of death | 14:58 |
\n3p\ | Oblomov81, it's not irrelevant because pets could be and probably are a VECTOR of propagation | 14:58 |
livebrain | even with "lockdown" or social distance norms hospitals are colapsing | 14:58 |
livebrain | saying that this virus is not a threat is really not understanding whats going on | 14:59 |
AimHere | Despite the measures people are taking to slow it down | 14:59 |
Deerk | So @ecov just to be clear when I was told by people in #freenode that mice have been confirmed to give the virus to humans they were trolling | 14:59 |
Oblomov81 | You are a crisis actor. You are part of the problem. creating unnecessary mass hysteria. in china were the problem started this are going back to normal, cities in a whole continent Africa arent even experienced this "crisis". | 14:59 |
ynhof[m] | I want to make some covid bots | 15:00 |
AimHere | China has locked down for about 3 months, which is why it's going back to normal | 15:00 |
livebrain | Oblomov81: africa is a poor country with almost no tourism | 15:00 |
AimHere | Africa hasn't been hit *yet* because it has far less testing and far less global travel | 15:00 |
livebrain | it makes sense that for them its going to take longer to have the virus | 15:00 |
ynhof[m] | A covid thermal imaging drone woukd be cool | 15:00 |
livebrain | and you cant really just see the oficial numbers | 15:00 |
livebrain | look at the number of deaths | 15:00 |
Deerk | Ok well then I guess I'll just find out the hard way thanks for the info everyone, pls stay healthy and safe | 15:01 |
livebrain | a country with low oficial cases means they arent testing enough | 15:01 |
ynhof[m] | %data New Zealand | 15:01 |
Brainstorm | ynhof[m]: In all areas, New Zealand, there are 1312 cases, 4 deaths (0.3% of cases), 422 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Zealand for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 0.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:01 |
Oblomov81 | livebrain you need to do some serious research. those comments are deplorable and reflect huge amount of ignorance and misinformation | 15:01 |
livebrain | Oblomov81: are you a troll ? | 15:02 |
Oblomov81 | are you? | 15:02 |
livebrain | what serious research is that ? | 15:02 |
livebrain | your opinion ? | 15:02 |
Oblomov81 | no you idiot im african | 15:02 |
ynhof[m] | Be nice to each other | 15:02 |
Oblomov81 | ever heard of victoria falls? | 15:02 |
livebrain | do you live in africa ? | 15:02 |
\n3p\ | Info from many countries are not comparable because level of testing and quality of testing is very different. Also corrupt countries try to hide the true numbers of deaths | 15:02 |
Oblomov81 | im done with you livebrain | 15:02 |
ecov | Oblomov81 bringing a level of common sense to this channel | 15:03 |
livebrain | Oblomov81: you are oblivous a troll | 15:03 |
AimHere | IP checks out, he's apparently IRCing from Zimbabwe. Doesn't make him any more right though | 15:03 |
Oblomov81 | \n3p\ ok | 15:03 |
Oblomov81 | lol | 15:03 |
ynhof[m] | You can return 0 without scorched earth policy yknow | 15:03 |
Oblomov81 | and it makes you right? AimHere or him | 15:04 |
livebrain | in a few weeks we will talk about african being imune | 15:04 |
ynhof[m] | XD | 15:05 |
livebrain | if countries with money are struggling with testing | 15:05 |
livebrain | some random african country is able to test with problems | 15:05 |
livebrain | that makes ALOT of sense | 15:05 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:57 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus UK live: Matt Hancock under fire over PPE comments - live updates → https://is.gd/KXJF09 | 15:06 |
Oblomov81 | i have first hand information i have been practially all over the south part of the continent. and to say that africans are poor and there is barely any tourrism to speak of show and utter complete lack of the most rudimentary kind of understanding and exposure of other places beyound your back yard. | 15:06 |
Oblomov81 | shows an* | 15:06 |
livebrain | Oblomov81: im sorry if you got triggered by the truth | 15:07 |
Deerk | Howdy, I hate to bother you all mid convo but would anyone please be able to answer my question because while I am slightly concerned I do believe I've been trolled but I'd like t know for sure | 15:07 |
livebrain | but sticking your head in the sand is not helpfull | 15:07 |
Oblomov81 | lol the only turth here is your juvenile ignorance. south africa has probably better health care than italy and most other eastern european countries. | 15:08 |
livebrain | thats why they want to leave | 15:08 |
livebrain | because they are rich | 15:08 |
livebrain | makes sense yes | 15:09 |
Oblomov81 | lol | 15:09 |
Oblomov81 | where are you from if you dont mind me asking? | 15:09 |
livebrain | have you ever been to europe ? | 15:09 |
livebrain | im from a country that had some colonies in africa, and most of them want to came here | 15:09 |
livebrain | and my country is poor | 15:10 |
livebrain | so... | 15:10 |
Deerk | :( | 15:10 |
Oblomov81 | okay | 15:10 |
livebrain | you have no idea really | 15:10 |
ubLIX | Deerk: they might just have sent you here because they supposed someone here might know; the answer is "it is not likely anyone yet knows a definitive answer to that question - just act accordingly" | 15:10 |
livebrain | in "normal" times you can take a flight for spain/germany | 15:10 |
livebrain | and within 2 hours you are there | 15:10 |
livebrain | for 50 euros | 15:10 |
Deerk | I'm aware, but if you don't know pleas still allow me to ask if it's ok | 15:11 |
livebrain | you can travel easy without spending alot of money in almost all europe | 15:11 |
livebrain | 30 euros to go france by plane | 15:11 |
Oblomov81 | apparently the education system over there leaves alot to be desired | 15:12 |
Deerk | A family of mice forcefully moved into this place last night, I was told that there have been confirmed cases of mice -> human transmission. I'm pretty sure this is a troll since I've been keeping up to date and I'm almost positive it's only human to human but it was more than 1 person so I did want to ask just in case any of you may have heard of | 15:12 |
Deerk | that | 15:12 |
AimHere | South Africa did the right thing and shut the country down pretty much before the virus got anywhere near it. Putting it up as an example of 'the virus threat is overstated, don't panic' kindof misses the point. They were the most panicked country out there | 15:12 |
livebrain | thats why they came here to study | 15:12 |
livebrain | with funding | 15:12 |
livebrain | because the education sucks... makes sense also | 15:12 |
bingbotboom | ok this room has seen some expotential expansion since last I was here | 15:14 |
livebrain | and my country had "lower" numbers, until we decided to test more | 15:15 |
Deerk | Fuck it if I die because of a mouse i was destined for it | 15:15 |
Deerk | God speed, stay safe | 15:15 |
livebrain | within a day we saw a rise in 1500 infected | 15:15 |
Deerk | Good day everyone | 15:15 |
bingbotboom | %data australia | 15:15 |
Brainstorm | bingbotboom: In all areas, Australia, there are 6292 cases, 56 deaths (0.9% of cases), 3265 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:15 |
bingbotboom | Hi | 15:16 |
ubLIX | hi bingbotboom | 15:17 |
ecrockz123 | @bingbotboom Hi | 15:17 |
bingbotboom | Yeah we shifted the curve but word on the street is this thing can reinfect | 15:17 |
ecrockz123 | %data india | 15:17 |
Brainstorm | ecrockz123: In all areas, India, there are 7876 cases, 249 deaths (3.2% of cases), 774 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 15:17 |
bingbotboom | your 1.3 billion, Australia is 25 million or so | 15:18 |
ubLIX | bingbotboom: word on the information superhighway is that it is reasonable to expect some duration of immunity | 15:19 |
bingbotboom | though testing is bollocks | 15:19 |
bingbotboom | Ive heard alot of rubbish so excuse me if I check your assertion | 15:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1476 cases (now 1718336) since 50 minutes ago — Saudi Arabia: +382 cases (now 4033) since 50 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +376 cases (now 3736) since 50 minutes ago | 15:21 |
ubLIX | it is perhaps too soon to have a wide perspective on how successfully this new virus is typically cleared from the body - failure to take convalescence seriously, leading to viral rebound is perhaps more likely than outright reinfection; but of course, some one seriously weakened by a severe illness with an exhausted immune system would be vulnerable to fresh doses of virus | 15:26 |
ubLIX | with adequate time for recovery, some immunity is a reasonable expectation | 15:28 |
bingbotboom | doesnt it nuke the immune system | 15:29 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:23 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Lombardia → https://is.gd/2FBncu | 15:30 |
bingbotboom | ergo Search Results | 15:30 |
bingbotboom | Web results | 15:30 |
bingbotboom | Cytokine storm | 15:30 |
ubLIX | a cytokine storm is an extreme overreaction of the immune system | 15:32 |
bingbotboom | It destroys the host | 15:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5250 cases (now 1723586), +920 deaths (now 104846) since 19 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +5233 cases (now 78991), +917 deaths (now 9875) since 19 minutes ago | 15:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak swamps NYC 911 system, virus ravages storied New Orleans Mardi Gras group → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 15:42 |
Deerk | Howdy, you guys still fighting? | 15:53 |
Deerk | I found the answer to the quesstion I had about mice, before | 15:54 |
Deerk | At least, in terms of them getting it | 15:54 |
Deerk | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323317/ | 15:54 |
Deerk | Most likely if they can get it, like other disease it's possible (even if it's a small chance) that they can spread it as well | 15:54 |
Deerk | Just wanted to let everyone know | 15:54 |
Deerk | Goodbye | 15:55 |
Deerk | https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html | 15:56 |
Deerk | "Coronaviruses that infect animals can sometimes be spread to people, but this is rare. | 15:57 |
Deerk | "We do not have evidence that companion animals, including pets, can spread COVID-19 to people or that they might be a source of infection in the United States. | 15:57 |
Deerk | So from the sounds of it, it's rare but still technically possible | 15:58 |
ubLIX | yes, absence of evidence doesn't been evidence of absence. it remains an open question | 15:59 |
\n3p\ | be careful with your pets | 15:59 |
Deerk | I agree, I only came back to share what I found,, it appears to be incredibly rare but then again like this whole virus that can change | 16:00 |
Deerk | However at the moment that's the info on the cdc website | 16:01 |
ubLIX | *mean | 16:01 |
ecov | Navajo Nation is getting hit real hard | 16:01 |
\n3p\ | Deerk, That probably is information from other coronavirus. With this one we don't know yet. | 16:01 |
ecov | https://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/following-outbreak-of-covid-19-navajo-nation-to-go-on-lockdown-for-57-hours/5698036/ | 16:02 |
Deerk | If you open the link it literally says in bold letters COVID-19 | 16:02 |
\n3p\ | How the tigers of NY get CV? | 16:02 |
Deerk | Check the link, covn-2019 is in there | 16:02 |
Deerk | the actual url | 16:02 |
MjrTom | There are several reports of pets testing positive for cov2 | 16:02 |
Deerk | So it's in regards to the latest one, not the entire family but the also do speak of other strains or just the family in general | 16:02 |
ubLIX | Deerk: right, but the first link referred to sars-1, not sars-cov-2 | 16:03 |
Deerk | Oh, sorry | 16:03 |
Deerk | That is my bad | 16:03 |
mefistofeles | \n3p\: from a people working there, of course | 16:03 |
Deerk | Yes ok, you're entirely correct that was a silly mistake on my end | 16:03 |
Deerk | I apologize | 16:03 |
ubLIX | it's ok. generalising from other coronaviruses is sensible enough, as far as it goes | 16:03 |
mefistofeles | s/people/person | 16:03 |
Deerk | I don't know anything about viruses but I assume it's reasonable for them to learn based of other coronaviruses however idk the extent to which one strain can mutate in regards to making the others useless for research | 16:04 |
\n3p\ | mefistofeles, then the same could be true from animals to humans. | 16:04 |
Deerk | Jesus christ wtf did I just say | 16:04 |
Deerk | Let me try engish | 16:05 |
MjrTom | Also there's at least speculation that animal fur can be a fomite | 16:05 |
Deerk | If the virus mutates enough is it possible that using other viruses in the coronavirus family become almost useless for research? | 16:05 |
Oblomov81 | The one thing you learn from interacting with people over the web is you finally see what actually is and is not about people. You know their unattenuated personas, and a mire basic psychoanalysis leds you to believe that black or what. african or american. atheist or Zionist or shamanistic belief. deep down we are all worshipers. science is just | 16:05 |
Oblomov81 | another dogma as we ourselves are neither capable of actually testing these so called facts of bosons, quacks or in this case the apocalyptic virus. the denominator isnt that we are all equal or human since that is still debatable.no the common thing is we are all just idiots, complacent and docile but to self satisfied and self involved to admit | 16:05 |
Oblomov81 | this, its much easier to call the next person full of shit and uninformed than actually examining what they have to say without prejudice or prejudgment. Honestly i think in this period of an explosion of information overdose its a paradox to even imagine there can ever be any coherence or factual deductive thinking. the internet is the ultimate | 16:05 |
Oblomov81 | tower of babel and Godel's theory will not reign truer any other time than now. | 16:05 |
\n3p\ | Deerk, better be careful than sorry. | 16:05 |
Deerk | Of course, but we do the best we can | 16:05 |
livebrain | " its much easier to call the next person full of shit and uninformed" | 16:06 |
livebrain | i could go and copy/past some lines above | 16:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain in ‘stabilisation phase’ but US sees 2,000 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/15mkND | 16:06 |
livebrain | now and it would be quite ironic that statement | 16:06 |
Oblomov81 | the virus isnt the danger nor are nuclear warheads or fascism on the raise .human stupidty is and we are all infected | 16:07 |
Deerk | Oh, you're the one who was arguing | 16:07 |
Deerk | Idk who it was with | 16:07 |
Deerk | How'd it go | 16:07 |
Oblomov81 | fuck everyone here and good luck | 16:07 |
livebrain | lol | 16:07 |
Deerk | I tihnk it was livebrain actually but I'm not entirely sure | 16:07 |
Deerk | Well | 16:07 |
Deerk | That was not nice at all | 16:07 |
Deerk | Don't blame him | 16:08 |
Deerk | We're all under stress | 16:08 |
MjrTom | The entire world's population over age 5 is infected with at least one herpes virus, and so are most from age several months to 5yo | 16:09 |
Deerk | Well the difference is this one can appear ot cause lots of potential death | 16:09 |
ecov | MjrTom: younger if youre catholic | 16:09 |
ecov | ZING | 16:09 |
ecov | sorry | 16:09 |
Deerk | Idk about you guys but here the best case scenario is 11-22k deaths | 16:09 |
Deerk | worst case is 300k | 16:09 |
MjrTom | Practically everybody from adolescence has Epstein-Barr virus | 16:09 |
Deerk | In the whole country, according to our pm | 16:10 |
mefistofeles | Deerk: where is that? | 16:10 |
iz | Deerk: which country? | 16:10 |
Deerk | The sane version of america with less freedom | 16:10 |
Deerk | And slightly north on the map | 16:10 |
livebrain | usa numbers are crazy | 16:10 |
iz | oh, eh? | 16:10 |
livebrain | 500 000 cases ? | 16:10 |
Deerk | I ncan't begin to image NY | 16:10 |
Deerk | Ya eh! | 16:10 |
ecov | USA is testing like a motherfucker, though | 16:10 |
iz | yeah | 16:10 |
ecov | you think africa has no cases or they arent testing? | 16:11 |
Deerk | @iz You ever watch letterkenny | 16:11 |
MjrTom | So yes, we are all infected. Becoming infected with viruses is an ordinary part of life | 16:11 |
mefistofeles | ecov: they aren't testing as much | 16:11 |
mefistofeles | same latin america | 16:11 |
\n3p\ | ecov, not really. 2m -> 2/330 | 16:11 |
ecov | latin america's numbers would be insane if they tested | 16:11 |
mefistofeles | ecov: not as high as the USA, anyways | 16:11 |
iz | Deerk: nope, but i've heard of it before and confused it w/ kenny vs spenny before :b | 16:12 |
\n3p\ | ecov, yes that is true. Specially Mexico is a disaster. | 16:12 |
ecov | ecuador has bodies in the street but no testing | 16:12 |
LjL | TV investigative journalism program claims (quite reasonably) that deaths in Lombardy, at least the hard hit parts, are probably about twice the official number, after looking at normal vs current mortality. This can include deaths from other causes but those other causes would be in turn precipitated by COVID-19. Also, nursing home patients where there have obvious outbreaks haven't been tested, nor has the personnel. | 16:12 |
MjrTom | Yeah I'm seriously worried for Mexico | 16:12 |
mefistofeles | ecov: that's not entirely true, Ecuador is testing more than others, but yeah, still not enough at all | 16:12 |
mefistofeles | ecov: and the bodies in the street are not exclusively related to covid deaths, fwiw | 16:12 |
iz | they are saying hospital admissions are down in nyc, so maybe that is good news, but i'm hesitant to be too optimistic right away | 16:13 |
\n3p\ | MjrTom, Mexico City is a time bomb | 16:13 |
MjrTom | I know ;(( | 16:13 |
Deerk | iz I've never seen that actually | 16:13 |
Deerk | Definitely heard of it | 16:13 |
MjrTom | USA really needs to get our shit together so that we will be able to go save Mexico | 16:13 |
bingbotboom | India and Africa kaboom | 16:13 |
mefistofeles | lol | 16:14 |
Deerk | The ony canadian thing I can use to relate to you is trailer park boys and even then everyone else has seen it so I'm sorry bud | 16:14 |
Deerk | I tried | 16:14 |
iz | Deerk: i've only seen an episode or two and it's kinda dumb :b | 16:14 |
Deerk | Or poutine | 16:14 |
MjrTom | When you say Africa, are you referring to the whole continent? | 16:14 |
Deerk | If you like poutine I can spend a while talking about that | 16:14 |
Deerk | Other than nothing | 16:14 |
iz | yeah, i know trailer park boys, and actually my generation kinda dug kids in the hall | 16:14 |
mefistofeles | iz: USA in general is showing consistent signs of slowdown | 16:14 |
mefistofeles | fwiw | 16:15 |
MjrTom | India is such a wild card, with wild potential for terrible catastrophe | 16:15 |
\n3p\ | India could be disaster. High density urban areas. Poverty and not many hospitals | 16:15 |
iz | mefistofeles: yup, i'm still hesitant to be too optimistic | 16:15 |
MjrTom | Brazil is pretty likely to be fucked | 16:15 |
Deerk | We're all kind of in a similar situation now iz, however as bad as it gets once it's over you'll get your chance to get out | 16:15 |
iz | i have this feeling too many ppl will hear that and be like welp, shelter-in-place is over now, we won, everyone go outside now | 16:15 |
Deerk | Or anyone else | 16:15 |
\n3p\ | Yes. Sao Paulo and Rio specially are a big risk | 16:15 |
livebrain | every poor country with an high density population is kida screwed | 16:16 |
Deerk | Honestly, I haven't slept since 11pm and it;'s 10am and I can tell I'm way too tired to irc | 16:16 |
Deerk | I'm going to sleep | 16:16 |
Deerk | with the mce because I stll cant get them out | 16:16 |
bingbotboom | Sierra Leone, Uganda, yeh all those places with poor healthcare | 16:16 |
Deerk | So the mouse wins | 16:16 |
Deerk | Goodnight | 16:16 |
iz | night Deerk | 16:16 |
ubLIX | not sleeping probably is more dangerous than the mice, good night | 16:17 |
Deerk | One quick thing | 16:17 |
MjrTom | Portugal and Argentina both took significant action probably about as early as practical | 16:17 |
Deerk | Reading what that guy wrote again | 16:17 |
Deerk | There's no way he wasn't a troll | 16:17 |
Deerk | I hope you realize that | 16:17 |
Deerk | The one thing you learn from interacting with people over the web is you finally see what actually is and is not about people. You know their unattenuated personas, and a mire basic psychoanalysis leds you to believe that black or what. african or american. atheist or Zionist or shamanistic belief. deep down we are all worshipers. science is just | 16:17 |
Deerk | another dogma as we ourselves are neither capable of actually testing these so called facts of bosons, quacks or in this case the apocalyptic virus. the denominator isnt that we are all equal or human since that is still debatable.no the common thing is we are all just idiots, complacent and docile but to self satisfied and self involved to admit | 16:17 |
Deerk | this, its much easier to call the next person full of shit and uninformed than actually examining what they have to say without prejudice or prejudgment. Honestly i think in this period of an explosion of information overdose its a paradox to even imagine there can ever be any coherence or factual deductive thinking. the internet is the ultimate | 16:17 |
Deerk | tower of babel and Godel's theory will not reign truer any other time than now. | 16:17 |
livebrain | but portugal is struggling with testing | 16:17 |
MjrTom | I think he was just having a sort of fun | 16:17 |
Deerk | If this isn't a troll he'll make millions become famous writing copypastas | 16:17 |
ubLIX | Deerk: ... | 16:18 |
ubLIX | go to sleep | 16:18 |
livebrain | the 2 needed tests for being negative (after the virus) | 16:18 |
livebrain | they do one | 16:18 |
livebrain | and miss the second | 16:18 |
Deerk | What are you my internet guardian | 16:18 |
Deerk | But ya sure | 16:18 |
Deerk | Good night | 16:18 |
Deerk | I probably will never be back, take care | 16:18 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: New York City → https://is.gd/GkD5NB | 16:18 |
aradesh | USA very close to #1 death toll | 16:23 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Outbreak swamps NYC 911 system, virus ravages storied New Orleans Mardi Gras group → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 16:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2820 cases (now 1726406), +103 deaths (now 104949) since an hour ago — US: +2060 cases (now 505237), +89 deaths (now 18850) since an hour ago — Maryland, US: +726 cases (now 7694) since an hour ago | 16:36 |
aradesh | seems an area of germany did extensive testing and found only a 0.37% fatality rate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1wkV2IzR_U | 16:40 |
aradesh | which is good news | 16:40 |
hemimaniac | !corona | 16:40 |
CoronaBot | Total cases: 1,725,126 (+26,291), deaths: 104,878 (+2,194), recovered: 390,107. Active cases: 1,230,141, 1,180,140 are in a mild condition, 50,001 are in a serious condition. Mortality: 6.08%, case fatality rate: 21.19%. Case rate: 94,629/24h, death rate: 6,973/24h. Last update: 5m ago. | 16:40 |
hemimaniac | !corona CA | 16:41 |
CoronaBot | Canada: Global rank: #13, cases: 22,148, fatalities: 569, active cases: 15,566, total recovered: 6,013, in a serious condition: 557. Mortality: 2.57%, case fatality rate: 8.64%, cases/1M: 587.0, deaths/1M: 15.0. Case rate: 1,383/24h, death rate: 60/24h. Tests: 383,322, tests/1M: 10,156. | 16:41 |
CoronaBot | California: State rank: #4, cases: 21,374 (+301), fatalities: 598 (+14), active cases: 19,836, mortality: 2.80%. Cases/1M: 546, deaths/1M: 15. Tests: 164,863, tests/1M: 4,211. | 16:41 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain in ‘stabilisation phase’ but US sees 2,000 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/15mkND | 16:43 |
aradesh | even if we had 0.37% fatality rate in the UK, and 70% of the UK got the virus, assuming a population of 66 million, that would still be 170,000+ deaths | 16:46 |
Jigsy | https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/09/police-threaten-search-shopping-trolleys-check-buying-essentials-12532339/ | 16:46 |
Jigsy | %title | 16:46 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: From metro.co.uk: Coronavirus UK: Police threaten to search public's shopping trolleys | Metro News | 16:46 |
Deerk | I've decided to not sleep | 16:47 |
aradesh | Deerk: insomnia? | 16:48 |
Deerk | Oh, no | 16:49 |
Deerk | Last today to buy a mouse trpa | 16:49 |
Deerk | trap | 16:49 |
Deerk | Before easter | 16:49 |
Deerk | Figured what the hell I should probably do it | 16:49 |
Deerk | And I'm lonely | 16:49 |
LjL | same TV show as before showing Wuhan metro stations, slowly reopening, where you are required to scan a QR code on your smartphone, and then wait for a green light while youre health certificate is being checked. then this person had a backpack and it had to go through x-ray machine before reaching the platform. similar to take a bus, you scan QR, it says you're green, and you also get to see that the bus itself (with information about it like the plate | 16:50 |
LjL | number) is green | 16:50 |
redpyramidthing| | so the virus looks like an excuse to enforce mass surveilance there | 16:51 |
Deerk | In this case it's necessary but ya everyone is slowly coming to terms with this being ok | 16:52 |
LjL | i wouldn't say it's an excuse. it's a pretty valid reason, and it's being done to various extent in most of Europe and other places as well | 16:52 |
Deerk | However, even though this is necessary | 16:52 |
LjL | there is certainly a concern that these measures will continue indefinitely | 16:52 |
Deerk | There's nothing to say for sure they will stop when things get back to normal | 16:52 |
Deerk | I bet it will, fyi | 16:53 |
Deerk | by they I mean any govt, not china in specific | 16:53 |
Deerk | @LjL over here they have some web-based system they use to track not coronavirus patients, btu relatives | 16:53 |
Deerk | To see if they develop symptoms | 16:54 |
Deerk | let me get you a link to the article | 16:54 |
LjL | apps for that sort of thing (tracking both quarantined patients and contacts) are being made/reviewed in the EU... but i bet they'll come way late, due to EU bureaucracy | 16:54 |
Deerk | https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/montreal-asks-people-to-use-new-web-app-to-track-covid-19-cases-throughout-the-city-1.4881506 | 16:55 |
Deerk | It's not unusual for something like this to exist if you think about it, sure. But I'm very surprised they were allowed to just use this and keep it secret till it was already up and running | 16:55 |
Deerk | Normally I don't think anyone here would be ok with it | 16:55 |
LjL | Deerk, it's easy to slip things under the rug when people are more concerned with more immediate concerns | 16:59 |
Deerk | Ok well LjL the article I linked doesn't say what I told you it did | 16:59 |
LjL | yeah it was very generic | 16:59 |
Deerk | I was positive it was for tracking relatives, but I'm going to assume I either misunderstood or just remember wrong | 17:00 |
Deerk | Sorry | 17:00 |
Deerk | https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-public-health-update-friday-1.5520991 | 17:00 |
Deerk | Here's a more deailed one but still, doesn't say what I said it was talking about | 17:00 |
LjL | anyway Lombardy used cell masts to track people, which, i mean, phone operators are doing all the time, but normally they don't tell the government the details without a warrant | 17:00 |
LjL | see also https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/ | 17:00 |
LjL | although this is reasonably anonymous | 17:00 |
Deerk | Tracking the spread of the virus will require tracking the population | 17:02 |
Deerk | That's not the issue | 17:02 |
Deerk | My undersatnding was tracking relatives and others relation to confirmed cases based on relation | 17:02 |
Deerk | That | 17:02 |
Deerk | That's picking and choosing who gets their rights violated | 17:02 |
Deerk | But apparently I was wrong about that | 17:05 |
Deerk | I can't find that article | 17:05 |
Deerk | It';s possible it was satire | 17:05 |
LjL | well isolating relatives is standard protocol for sick patients i think | 17:05 |
LjL | unless they can *show* they weren't incontact | 17:05 |
LjL | so, it's kind of similar even without apps | 17:05 |
Deerk | That is true | 17:06 |
pwr22 | !compare uk;italy | 17:06 |
pwr22 | We've almost caught up LjL ! | 17:06 |
pwr22 | Also, Cov Bot should be sending notices now (assuming the bridge honours them) | 17:06 |
Deerk | Also there's this. I agree with having fines for this but I feel like the fine they can give is harsh | 17:08 |
Deerk | https://globalnews.ca/news/6804626/coronavirus-police-verifying-quarantine-order/ | 17:08 |
Deerk | the RCMP said on Friday, warning that “recklessly” failing to comply could result in a $1-million fine and three years in prison. | 17:08 |
Deerk | That's worst case | 17:09 |
Deerk | "The maximum fine for failing to comply with the quarantine is $750,000 and up to six months in prison, but those who put others at risk could face harsher penalties: up to a $1-million levy and three years imprisonment." | 17:09 |
Deerk | More detialed | 17:09 |
Deerk | Pretty much it appears to be completely relevant to if you put anyone else at dangers and what the context of you breaking quarantine was | 17:09 |
Deerk | Also what I don't like is the govt here is talking about re-open the economy as soon as may4th | 17:12 |
Deerk | Completely seeming to disregard the fact that we're the epicenter and maybe a month ago that same govt was begging for quarantine | 17:12 |
ubLIX | you're in montreal? | 17:13 |
LjL | pwr22, it is, although that means that !compare sends a grand total of 6 notices, instead of one "long link" | 17:13 |
LjL | which is a bit... much | 17:13 |
pwr22 | Eh, how come? It should still be just one message | 17:15 |
LjL | pwr22, maybe the bridge doesn't do that for notices? | 17:15 |
pwr22 | Definitely one message on the matrix side | 17:15 |
LjL | pwr22, when there's \n in Matrix, that gets translated into several messages on IRC, with the exception that above a certain number of lines, it becomes a URL | 17:15 |
Deerk | I am, yes ubLIX | 17:15 |
Deerk | Are you? | 17:15 |
ubLIX | scotland | 17:16 |
Deerk | Is it bad where you are? | 17:16 |
pwr22 | I guess does something weird | 17:16 |
pwr22 | LjL: yeah sounds like the long message stuff isn't working the same for `m.notice` | 17:17 |
Deerk | https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/coronavirus-live-updates-canada-tops-20000-cases-500-deaths/ | 17:17 |
pwr22 | On the matrix size notices are greyed out and don't cause notifications | 17:17 |
Deerk | Can confirm I got the pamphlet, saw there was no english then completely forgot about it up until now | 17:17 |
ubLIX | general lock down; no travel save for essential work, food, and pharmacy; hospitals seem to be struggling a bit | 17:17 |
LjL | pwr22, also there are two messages that are just "```", at the beginning and end. is that being sent by the bot or just the bridge using it to delimit? (i don't have riot open right now) | 17:17 |
pwr22 | Is that the same standard as in IRC? | 17:18 |
Guest3767 | !compare uk | 17:18 |
Deerk | Same here in terms of the lockdown but we got pot stores too | 17:18 |
Deerk | I don't smoke the devils lettuce so idc either way | 17:19 |
ecrockz123 | If china was isolated intially then rest of world would be safe | 17:19 |
Deerk | Yes, but | 17:19 |
Deerk | They would have it much worse | 17:19 |
pwr22 | I'd better change it back to `m.text` for tables for now then | 17:19 |
Deerk | I don't entirely blame them for the way they handled it but that's not saying they're innocent | 17:19 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cina → https://is.gd/RqFRBO | 17:19 |
Deerk | Ok now it's actually time to go, take care | 17:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1912 cases (now 1728318) since 48 minutes ago — US: +771 cases (now 506008) since 48 minutes ago — Florida, US: +526 cases (now 18494) since 48 minutes ago | 17:21 |
pwr22 | <LjL "pwr22, also there are two messag"> It's markdown | 17:21 |
pwr22 | Means the bridge is using the fallback (and badly) | 17:22 |
LjL | pwr22, NOTICEs are quirky and variable on IRC. at least one person has complained before about NOTICEs being used by Brainstorm (Synapsestorm). but if i DON'T use NOTICEs, then people on the Matrix side complain, instead | 17:22 |
pwr22 | lol | 17:22 |
LjL | pwr22, NOTICEs were originally created for the express purpose of bots using them. however that never really became common on IRC. on Matrix they resurrected the idea and people actually expect it | 17:22 |
LjL | pwr22, but on IRC now, depending on your client, notices may be hidden away in the status window on one extreme, but on the other, cause an unconditional highlight | 17:23 |
pwr22 | Yeah, I've had people complain at me that Cov Bot doesn't do notices | 17:23 |
steerio | for me it's the opposite, they stand out. I actually came back to my desktop while making coffee to check out why I got so many notices | 17:24 |
LjL | pwr22, that's because Matrix client tend to have a checkbox that specifically says "hide / don't highlight on messages from bots", and that is, of course, based on them being m.notice | 17:24 |
steerio | I think notices are fine as long as they are sent to those that the information personally concerns (i.e. regards them in some way or was requested by them) | 17:24 |
steerio | but a scenario where anyone can trigger a channel notice is weird to me personally | 17:25 |
\n3p\ | LjL IRC have changed very little in the past 25 years. Many years were only a draft. It's like a half baked protocol but I like it. | 17:25 |
steerio | (on IRC since 1996) | 17:25 |
LjL | steerio, i knoy but if you read the RFC it's actually clear that NOTICEs were the mechanism envisioned for bots (although they didn't call them "bots"), mainly so that bots could *ignore* NOTICEs from each other, avoiding certain bad accidents which do happen, involving bot loops ;( | 17:26 |
pwr22 | I'll put a special case in where if the IRC bot is in the room then it doesn't use a notice | 17:26 |
steerio | LjL: that's a fair reasoning from this perspective | 17:27 |
pwr22 | Also try to get the IRC bridge fixed to do multiline notices | 17:27 |
steerio | on the other hand, on a large channel where people request information from bots often, that would mean quote the notice noise | 17:28 |
LjL | pwr22, i still think having your bot muted on the IRC side and mine muted on the Matrix side would not be so terrible. mutes don't carry on across the bridge, so it shouldn't create access list issues, and also, your bot is often very slow on IRC due to matrix.org being overloaded, so if i just changed my bot to accept ! it would be pretty transparent | 17:28 |
steerio | *quite | 17:28 |
LjL | steerio, yeah, that results from the way NOTICEs were eventually implemented in IRC clients. in the RFC itself it says pretty much "NOTICEs are the same as PRIVMSG except for bots" | 17:28 |
LjL | paraphrasing | 17:28 |
pwr22 | I prefer to let people use whichever bot they want, It gets a fair number of requests from IRC users for instance | 17:29 |
pwr22 | And it's useful if one is down that we can get to the other | 17:29 |
steerio | LjL: agreed. but that creates a status quo that one cannot ignore. | 17:29 |
LjL | yeah. i do have the feeling eventually Matrix and IRC will throw a tantrum at each other and disable bridging | 17:30 |
steerio | that reminds me of what HTML used to be like 15-20 years ago (that sort of improved) | 17:30 |
\n3p\ | steerio, did you started in IRC with Comic Chat? I did in 1996 with it. | 17:30 |
steerio | my first client was bitchx, I had a shell access at the time (no PPP) | 17:31 |
\n3p\ | o privileged users | 17:31 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:27 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Trump to launch 'Opening our Country' task force, as global deaths pass 100,000 → https://is.gd/Riwa17 | 17:32 |
steerio | you'd dial up straight to a terminal, much like how you used BBSes. then you'd _telnet_ to some other host that actually gave you freedom to do stuff. | 17:32 |
steerio | good times. | 17:32 |
\n3p\ | steerio, CompuServe and later AOL | 17:32 |
l0ndoner | I remember being number 203 in a queue waiting to download mp3 over DCC | 17:33 |
steerio | :D | 17:33 |
\n3p\ | lol | 17:33 |
steerio | I actually remember my first ever mp3. I got it over IRC, unsurprisingly, but my computer was not performant enough to play it. | 17:33 |
\n3p\ | I remember been fist 1000 users in ICQ | 17:33 |
steerio | after a while I figured out how to convert it to wav to be able to actually listen to it. | 17:34 |
l0ndoner | damn irc is old ... I forgot about all that | 17:34 |
l0ndoner | lol | 17:34 |
\n3p\ | ICQ was cool at that time. Now messengers are comon | 17:34 |
steerio | well all that makes us old too, eh? | 17:35 |
\n3p\ | Flood in IRC was a real problem back then. 9600 dial-up connections suffer | 17:36 |
l0ndoner | I dont miss the dialup tone lol | 17:36 |
\n3p\ | The handshake was exiting but the low speed was pain | 17:37 |
\n3p\ | exciting | 17:38 |
Guest3767 | !compare uk;us | 17:38 |
\n3p\ | pIRCh included video back then 1996 | 17:39 |
Guest3767 | Err.... *checks logs* | 17:39 |
aradesh | priti patel doing our coronavirus briefing today | 17:40 |
aradesh | 21% in crime since lockdown | 17:42 |
aradesh | drop* | 17:42 |
pwr22 | !compare uk;us | 17:42 |
pwr22 | Ok LjL, no notices on IRC but it will use them in pure matrix rooms | 17:43 |
LjL | pwr22, and it's back to a long message URL | 17:43 |
pwr22 | Yep 🙂 | 17:43 |
pwr22 | IMO that table should not be shown inline in IRC | 17:44 |
LjL | pwr22, yeah multiple lines like that are a bit of a no no on IRC... but also, since it's sending a URL, it could do the extra step and actually parse the markdown | 17:45 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 15:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NHS workers' lives at risk over PPE shortages, says BMA → https://is.gd/BSBvyr | 17:49 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Comunque una diminuzione di persone in terapia intensiva e ricoverato in ospedale. → https://is.gd/eaTUP9 | 18:06 |
LjL | "comunque"? that doesn't sound promising | 18:06 |
LjL | Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 10 Aprile | 18:06 |
LjL | Totali (total) 152271 (+4694) | 18:06 |
LjL | Positivi Attivi (active cases) 100269 (+1996) | 18:06 |
LjL | Guariti (healed) 32534 (+2079) | 18:06 |
LjL | Deceduti (deaths) 19468 (+619) | 18:06 |
LjL | i don't remember what yesterday's new case count was, but it was close to this. we just don't seem to be getting consistently down | 18:07 |
LjL | may partly be due to more testing ability, since deaths *are* going down somewhat | 18:08 |
LjL | Italy's daily Civil Protection press conference scheduled for 18 CEST at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H40_sLeLVUQ - I will take notes as usual. | 18:08 |
\n3p\ | Yesterday Italy 147,577 +3,951 18,849 +570 | 18:09 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardia, Italy: +1544 cases (now 57592), +273 deaths (now 10511) since a day ago — Piemonte, Italy: +996 cases (now 16008), +101 deaths (now 1633) since a day ago — Emilia-Romagna, Italy: +507 cases (now 19635), +84 deaths (now 2481) since a day ago | 18:09 |
LjL | (Borrelli) Good evening. Today we have 100269, +1996 from yesterday. Pressure on hospitals is still going down, and we have 3881 ICU patients, -116, and 28144 hospitalized, -98, while most positive people are self-isolating, 68774 (69%). | 18:10 |
LjL | We have +619 deaths, and +2069 recoveries. | 18:10 |
LjL | The trend shows +4694 new cases. | 18:10 |
LjL | We made 963473 tests, +56609. | 18:11 |
LjL | We have 117 million in donations, which are being used for purchasing PPEs and ventilators, and we've spent 25 million so far. | 18:11 |
LjL | We have 20616 volunteers, the most since the start of the emergency. | 18:11 |
LjL | 88 nurses have been taken to Bergamo today, and another group has reached Abruzzo and Marche. This is an important sign of solidarity. | 18:12 |
LjL | Thanks to cooperation between the Carabinieri and Poste Italiane, we delivered some pension payments directly at people's homes. | 18:13 |
LjL | A 94 year old person recovered from the virus in Rome. I think this is the best way to wish you all a happy Easter. | 18:13 |
LjL | Thanks, please Prof. Villani. | 18:13 |
Jigsy | %cases world | 18:14 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, World, there are 1728883 cases, 105799 deaths (6.1% of cases), 390628 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 18:14 |
ecks | that's a lot of new cases :l | 18:15 |
LjL | (Villani) My task here is to update you on the situation on children. In people between 0 and 18 years of age, only a little more than 2000 have been diagnosed with COVID-19. Cases are uniformly distributed among age groups, except in the 12-18 group which has about 900. But there have been only 44 hospitalizations in babies, and about 30 in other age groups. About 7% of pediatric patients are hospitalized. We also don't have critical patients. | 18:15 |
LjL | This is true in Italy, and I'd like to highlight this because it is thanks to the excellent management and the population staying home, because if we had more cases, children could be worse affected too, and Italy is going particularly well in this. | 18:16 |
\n3p\ | Mexican Hospital ER Director Dies from Coronavirus https://is.gd/cAIZj4 | 18:18 |
LjL | [Many details about pediatrics situations that are not directly related to COVID-19] | 18:18 |
LjL | (Borrelli) Thank you. Questions now? | 18:21 |
LjL | Q: A question for each one of you. You talked about short timeframes for vaccination, but what does "short" mean? A year, 18 months? | 18:21 |
LjL | A: "Short" means this: normally, to get to a vaccine that can be put on the market, it takes 2-3 years if all goes well. I think in this circumstances, it will be much shorter, it's hard to say exactly but they'll be much shorter. | 18:22 |
LjL | Q: In these past few days a dramatic situation emerged in nursing homes, both about patients and operators. In some cases, it resulted in lack of assistance to patients in need. Can the Civil Protection support these dramatic realities? | 18:22 |
LjL | A: We've been taking care of nursing homes for several days, and the Civil Protection is helping. A part of the nurses we went to Bergamo today went to nursing homes. We call for army intervention when needed, and our volunteer organizations provide additional personnel too. This is in addition to what the regions can normally provide. | 18:23 |
LjL | Q: In these past few days we've been staying at home more with children. Are there any suggestions you can give for living a longer time with children? | 18:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy to set up 'immunity passports,' outbreak swamps NYC 911 system → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 18:25 |
LjL | A: We have suggestions on our website, and an important thing is optimizing time. We've realized in the past few years that parents weren't spending enough time with their children. This crisis is an opportunity to change that, to teach good habits to younger children, organize their day as if they were going to school (no waking up late)... and as to teenagers, we've been surprised by their maturity; they were already used to communicating through | 18:25 |
LjL | technology. We should reflect on parenting, and previous lack of time to be spent together. | 18:25 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Experts say there cannot be a reopening of the U.S. economy without mass testing (10796 votes) | https://redd.it/fz43tf | 18:26 |
LjL | Q: Dr Borrelli, Lombardy's situation is problematic again. Together, an investigation started on a nursing home in Milan. In your opinion, how does Lombardy compare to other data? | 18:26 |
LjL | A: I can say some regions are hit harder than others. The data we are getting tell us that we must not lower our guard, as we have not defeated the virus. We must all adopt responsible behaviors, and I think we're on the right path in Lombardy as well. | 18:27 |
LjL | Q: First, Gallera in Lombardy said a 14-day quarantine may not be enough, and they'll use a 24(?) day quarantine. Another thing is a man died at 62, after posting on Facebook begging to be tested. We know many people who are probably positive but cannot get tested. If we have so much testing now, how is this possible? | 18:28 |
LjL | A: About the first question I think it's very important to notice that sometimes things that are positive are seen as negative. If new decrees are made, it means there are new elements, new data, new expert advice, and we should not be surprised if something changes. On tests, I am not familiar with that specific case, but we are living an extraordinary emergency; sometimes I'm surprised that this is not fully considered. I am pleasantly surprised by the | 18:30 |
LjL | "miracles" that happen on a daily basis. It's hard for me to imagine more being done, because I see an exceptional effort. What I can say with reasonable certainty is that testing and diagnostics is discussed not daily, but multiple times a day. | 18:30 |
ggz | /topic flood channel | 18:30 |
LjL | Q: I was curious about kids having to stay home for a long time still. We're hearing about children who cannot stand staying home anymore. How can we recover from this later? | 18:30 |
ggz | LjL: are you drunk ? | 18:31 |
mefistofeles | ggz: he's translating a press conference happening live | 18:31 |
ggz | mefistofeles: every day ? | 18:32 |
mefistofeles | ggz: every day | 18:32 |
underscore | ggz: yes, it's useful information | 18:32 |
LjL | A: Clearly, staying home is critical. The role of parents is very important. I know it's very difficult, but children are calm if parents are calm. Let's make use of yards and terraces... while respecting all the rules, we must take advantage of every allowed opportunity. Kids have wonderful resources, and we must take all the positives from it. | 18:32 |
mefistofeles | well, almost every day, tbh | 18:32 |
underscore | hi mefistofeles | 18:32 |
mefistofeles | underscore: hey | 18:32 |
LjL | ggz, do you have something more COVID-related to say than asking me if i'm drunk, to balance the channel's use between my transcription and other things? | 18:32 |
mefistofeles | I actually think it's not that useful anymore, imho. But I don't see any harm being done with live translating it | 18:32 |
ggz | mefistofeles: what is the press conference name ? | 18:32 |
mefistofeles | ggz: it's the italian civic defense (or something like that) press conference | 18:33 |
underscore | mefistofeles: it's helped me a lot on what to expect, most countries followed Italy's policies about social distancing etc. | 18:33 |
LjL | Q: The number of hospitalizations and ICUs are going down. But we're having more new cases... is this happening because we've learned to assist patients at home, without needing to hospitalize as many of them, or are we also reaching patients with milder symptoms thanks to more testing, or is the virus itself weakening? | 18:33 |
mefistofeles | underscore: actually most didn't, tbh | 18:33 |
mefistofeles | underscore: but yeah, Italy is a special case, for sure | 18:33 |
LjL | A: It's very difficult to reason in the short term. In the medium term, we are "stable" in a positive way. What's important is to face the real critical issues: deaths, ICUs, serious cases. We know that, most likely, positives are many more than the official numbers... but we can look at the things that are going well as an actual data point. | 18:34 |
ggz | LjL: ok sorry | 18:34 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3133 cases (now 1736766), +175 deaths (now 106595) since 20 minutes ago — US: +2050 cases (now 508058), +153 deaths (now 19819) since 20 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1315 cases (now 21655) since 20 minutes ago | 18:35 |
LjL | Q: You give us data every day... but why was a note by the scientific committee, coming from the early days of March and based on early data from Lombardy, and which suggested quarantining some areas well before "red zones" were defined... if this had been made public, maybe some contagion would have been avoided...? | 18:36 |
LjL | A: I think the measures the government adopted, which are taken as an example by Europe and the world, were adequate and proportional. When we decided to lock down, it wasn't just a couple of municipalities but the whole of Lombardy. All measures were transparent, and Prof. Brusaferro here has clarified the scientific opinions on the situation in the Nembro municipality in Bergamo too. | 18:37 |
LjL | Q: Well, I was asking because we've tried to find that note on your website but we did not find it. | 18:37 |
LjL | A: No, the scientific committee made some evaluations and then the government decided on measures. Nothing was kept secret. | 18:37 |
LjL | If there are no more questions, I'd like to thank you all and wish you a happy Easter. | 18:37 |
LjL | --- end | 18:37 |
mefistofeles | xD | 18:37 |
mefistofeles | that ending | 18:38 |
rajrajraj | My brother has completed studies in pune city, Maharashtra state in india. We(family) wants him to travel to Bangalore, Karnataka, india. However i dont know how the police will treat if he travels on 15th april. Who do i ask? | 18:39 |
LjL | https://dpaste.org/4w1p | 18:40 |
LjL | so Italy as a whole has more cases and more deaths than yesterday, Lombardy likewise, and Milan is spiking up again after a couple of days of seeming linearity | 18:42 |
LjL | that should explain the many ambulances we heard today | 18:42 |
LjL | Turin is also hinting at an exponential curve again | 18:42 |
mefistofeles | rajrajraj: you should ask your local authorities? I guess, I don't even know if this is even related to covid-19 | 18:43 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US overtakes Italy as country with world's highest death toll → https://is.gd/15mkND | 18:43 |
LjL | fatality is at 31% in people between 80 and 90 year old, which i think is higher than it used to be | 18:43 |
mefistofeles | hitting elderly there, apparently | 18:43 |
LjL | rajrajraj, i don't think he's going to be allowed to travel, but i have no idea who you should ask... check some government websites, maybe? they may have details on the lockdown including allowed exceptions if any | 18:45 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy to set up 'immunity passports,' outbreak swamps NYC 911 system → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 18:55 |
LjL | pretty ridiculous to stretch what has been said to make it sound like we're actually about to set up immunity passports. we aren't. it might not even be found to be a good idea in the end... for now, we don't even have a single antibody test approved. | 18:56 |
euod[m] | LjL: it also encourages people to go get COVID-19. especially people who've been told it's just a flu. | 18:57 |
euod[m] | I want to work > I need a passport > ok I'll get covid up in here > I go to work | 18:57 |
euod[m] | bulletproof plan. | 18:57 |
Xip | Hi good friends, I bring good news | 19:01 |
rajrajraj | 22:13:02 <mefistofeles> rajrajraj: you should ask your local authorities? I guess, I don't even know if this is even related to covid-19 | 19:02 |
rajrajraj | Its related | 19:02 |
rajrajraj | Also i don't have their working number | 19:02 |
rajrajraj | Tried three didn't work | 19:02 |
Xip | I'm sorry for saying, since January that Sweden was a control group in a big experient | 19:04 |
rajrajraj | LjL: no official statement is out yet. Lockdown is finishing on 14th however statewise people are not agreeing | 19:04 |
Xip | It is not real, it is fake news | 19:04 |
rajrajraj | LjL: there is no clear statement. News such as "they are likely to open domestic flight travel" | 19:05 |
Xip | I was reading wrong things | 19:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6135 cases (now 1742901), +146 deaths (now 106741) since 32 minutes ago — Turkey: +5138 cases (now 52167), +95 deaths (now 1101) since 32 minutes ago — US: +517 cases (now 508575) since 32 minutes ago | 19:05 |
rajrajraj | Now the local police is hella stupid. You would have seen them beating people with sticks | 19:05 |
rajrajraj | It sucks to be living in a country where police has their own rules on top of published rules | 19:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Governors call for $500 billion in aid, Italy to set up 'immunity passports' → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 19:07 |
Xip | The corona viurus is not dangerous, we should just embrace it, its' not dangerous | 19:07 |
livebrain | after so many days of lockdown and social distancing norms | 19:12 |
livebrain | shouldnt we start to see a decline in new numbers ? | 19:12 |
euod[m] | livebrain: a decline in growth might be all we get. | 19:16 |
paula_thomas[m] | livebrain This virus incubates for two weeks before symptoms set in and then another week or two before those symptoms get severe enough for hospital and most people aren't tested until then so no we shouldn't expect numbers to drop yet. | 19:17 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/kSjdbK | 19:19 |
livebrain | why do you have [m] in your nick ? | 19:19 |
Scarecr0w | livebrain: Apparently they are connected through the bridge from Matrix.org. | 19:20 |
Scarecr0w | I had the same question to a person in one of the COVID discussion channels and they said they were connected to IRC thru Matrix.org. | 19:20 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +12646 cases (now 1755547), +327 deaths (now 107068) since 16 minutes ago — US: +12424 cases (now 520999), +302 deaths (now 20135) since 16 minutes ago — New York, US: +8100 cases (now 180458) since 16 minutes ago | 19:20 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Guardian su Twitter: "Coronavirus: US overtakes Italy as country with most deaths https://t.co/ziPvNM4eYZ" → https://is.gd/0nff49 | 19:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1093 cases (now 1756640) since 18 minutes ago — Peru: +951 cases (now 6848) since 18 minutes ago — Germany: +52 cases (now 123878) since 18 minutes ago | 19:35 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:41 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The president, though, was slow to absorb the scale of the risk and to act accordingly, focusing instead on controlling the message, protecting gains in the economy and batting away warnings from senior officials. → https://is.gd/CMefVl | 19:44 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5402 cases (now 1762042), +663 deaths (now 107708) since 16 minutes ago — France: +4785 cases (now 129654), +635 deaths (now 13832) since 16 minutes ago — US: +581 cases (now 521623) since 16 minutes ago | 19:50 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Update on NYT death trajectories for countries and US states. The following countries are both (1) among the highest per capita death rates and (2) continuing to see deaths doubling every 4-5 days: → https://is.gd/mfbY8t | 19:56 |
ecrockz123 | rajrajraj: I think it is not possible now unless medical emergency. Maharashtra is the most affected state. It is better to stay safe where we are. | 19:57 |
ecrockz123 | euod[m]: Is matrix free and how is user interface | 19:59 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: yes, it's free and there are many clients that can connect to it | 20:00 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: https://matrix.org/ | 20:00 |
ecrockz123 | mefistofeles: hexchat too? | 20:01 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: don't think so | 20:01 |
ecrockz123 | mefistofeles: by using matrix we can store offline messages. Right | 20:02 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: not sure what you mean by that, tbh | 20:03 |
mefistofeles | if you are asking if the server keeps log of the messages for your rooms/channels, then yes, basically | 20:04 |
ecrockz123 | mefistofeles: I mean when there is no internet. | 20:05 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: ok, what about it? | 20:05 |
ecrockz123 | mefistofeles: could u still receive messages | 20:06 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:55 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Update on NYT death trajectories for the countries and US states. The following countries are both (1) among the highest per capita death rates and (2) continuing to see deaths doubling every 4-5 days: → https://is.gd/3NDqw5 | 20:08 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: you have to be connected somehow to receive the messages, but again, they are stored in the server when you are offline, fwiw | 20:08 |
ecrockz123 | mefistofeles: like znc | 20:10 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: similar, yes | 20:10 |
ecrockz123 | mefistofeles: is there any link to follow | 20:12 |
tinwhiskers | yes, but in any evaluation of matirx you have to consider the character of people who use it. Think of it like Australia. Is that what you really want?! | 20:12 |
Jigsy | Everything tries to kill you? | 20:13 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 20:13 |
Jigsy | That's my interpretation of Australia. :P | 20:13 |
Jigsy | Sharks, Dingos, Jellyfish, Spiders, Snakes, Crocs... | 20:13 |
Jigsy | Even the trees! | 20:14 |
tinwhiskers | Australians | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | ecrockz123: I sent you one, the official web site, there should be enough there to get you started | 20:15 |
rajrajraj | Ok | 20:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:07 UTC: Coronavirus live: US overtakes Italy as country with most Covid-19 deaths: More than 500,000 cases confirmed in US, according to Johns Hopkins University, as taskforce member warns: ‘We have not reached the peak’ → https://is.gd/40o6SL | 20:20 |
Jigsy | >Priti Patel announces more help for abuse victims | 20:22 |
Jigsy | Well, if anyone is an authority on abusing other people, it'd be here. | 20:22 |
Jigsy | her.* | 20:22 |
Jigsy | Must really suck for the victims of DV in this period/time, though. | 20:23 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 18:30 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Alcuni pazienti affetti da Covd muoiono per trombosi diffusa. Secondo due studiosi con il farmaco "si possano prevenire i trombi e anche limitare la carica virale, risolvendo la polmonite". → https://is.gd/IJ6IVE | 20:32 |
Xip | Sorry I got drunk | 20:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1941 cases (now 1763983), +87 deaths (now 107795) since 46 minutes ago — Ireland: +839 cases (now 8928) since 46 minutes ago — US: +697 cases (now 522320) since 46 minutes ago | 20:35 |
Xip | I am sorry for being fucked up, I'm.. high | 20:37 |
Xip | It's like a magic trick | 20:37 |
balaa[m] | sup root | 20:39 |
root[m]3 | hello balaa | 20:42 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/Q4ycF3 | 20:45 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +625 cases (now 1764608) since 16 minutes ago — Canada: +620 cases (now 23195) since 16 minutes ago | 20:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:48 UTC: Coronavirus live: US overtakes Italy as country with most Covid-19 deaths: More than 500,000 cases confirmed in US, according to Johns Hopkins University, as taskforce member warns: ‘We have not reached the peak’ → https://is.gd/40o6SL | 21:09 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2172 cases (now 1766780), +268 deaths (now 108113) since 31 minutes ago — US: +1922 cases (now 524242), +137 deaths (now 20223) since 31 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +1210 cases (now 23993), +111 deaths (now 1392) since 31 minutes ago | 21:20 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: 917 new coronavirus deaths as UK told to stay home → https://is.gd/hb488d | 21:21 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 19:22 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus and Healthcare Workers | Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) | N95 Masks → https://is.gd/M5jziS | 21:33 |
\n3p\ | Mexico Sees 39 Coronavirus Fatalities in Single Day https://is.gd/uAC4n3 | 21:35 |
pepee | %title https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/10/immunity-certificates-covid-19-practical-ethical-conundrums/ | 21:44 |
Brainstorm | pepee: From www.statnews.com: Covid-19 'immunity certificates': practical and ethical conundrums - STAT | 21:44 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 19:43 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Hard lessons from underestimating the enemy → https://is.gd/VEybYw | 21:45 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:51 UTC: US coronavirus deaths highest in the world even as hospitalizations slow in New York epicenter: The United States surpassed Italy on Saturday as the country with the most coronavirus deaths in the world, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/0uOyFy | 21:58 |
swift110 | hmm | 22:01 |
mefistofeles | swift110: sup | 22:02 |
mefistofeles | haha | 22:02 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2109 cases (now 1768889), +136 deaths (now 108249) since 46 minutes ago — US: +1317 cases (now 525559), +81 deaths (now 20304) since 46 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +1293 cases (now 19180), +81 deaths (now 677) since 46 minutes ago | 22:05 |
ryouma | epicenter has lost its meaning. it seems to mean "place with the most of something but i don't want to say that and want to use a fancy word instead" now. | 22:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 20:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: a domani → https://is.gd/28MRFM | 22:10 |
LjL | ryouma, it has been used in that figurative meaning for a while, it's not really new | 22:10 |
ryouma | didn't say it was new new | 22:12 |
ryouma | but it is used incorrectly/figuratively more now than i have ever seen it used i/f | 22:13 |
ryouma | it is not common to say nyc is epicenter of finance | 22:13 |
LjL | it's used with negative events, especially catastrophic ones | 22:13 |
LjL | i can see the need and want for such a word | 22:14 |
ryouma | it is not common to say al qaeda epicenter of terrorism or wtc | 22:14 |
LjL | "place with the most of X" is not a particularly handy expression | 22:14 |
ryouma | true | 22:14 |
ryouma | they used to use different words that annoyed me less | 22:15 |
ryouma | i have possibly lost this battle | 22:15 |
LjL | they could say focal point | 22:15 |
ryouma | various words exist | 22:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll tops 20,000, Governors call for $500 billion more in aid → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 22:22 |
python476 | hi there | 22:27 |
python476 | how's everybody | 22:27 |
LjL | hey | 22:31 |
LjL | have you been coviding | 22:31 |
python476 | I've been self-self-quarantining | 22:32 |
LjL | just in cases it infects over IP? | 22:33 |
mefistofeles | you can see the corona hype passing, a bit | 22:34 |
python476 | LjL: nah I was kickbanned from a chan and decided I could try to do more stuff offline | 22:35 |
dzho | I think "hot spot" has fewer problems than "epicenter" | 22:35 |
python476 | and as you can guess I did little | 22:35 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3850 cases (now 1772739), +152 deaths (now 108401) since 34 minutes ago — US: +3431 cases (now 528990), +151 deaths (now 20455) since 34 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1886 cases (now 22860), +87 deaths (now 686) since 34 minutes ago | 22:35 |
dzho | for one, even with the space, it's shorter: fewer characters, and fewer syllables | 22:36 |
dzho | it's clearer, more simple language: two common, single syllable words instead of one long multisyllabic one | 22:37 |
dzho | less pretentious | 22:37 |
mefistofeles | so you could say it's the epicenters of concepts related to this | 22:37 |
stinkpot | do you think the US is leveling off now python476 ? | 22:37 |
mefistofeles | epicenter* | 22:37 |
mefistofeles | xD | 22:37 |
dzho | it is still metaphorical, but the metaphor is a comparison to something that increases or diminishes both in extent and intensity | 22:37 |
python476 | stinkpot: I am far from an authority on anything related to covid (I wonder why you're asking me :) | 22:38 |
dzho | whereas epicenter implies a pinpoint source from which something emanates | 22:38 |
python476 | some people say US peak will be in 10+ days | 22:38 |
stinkpot | do we say epicenter for earthquakes? | 22:38 |
dzho | we do | 22:38 |
stinkpot | ok sorry python476 thanks tho | 22:38 |
python476 | no worries | 22:38 |
nixonix | a huge mess in france currently over chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. online petitions, politicians involved, and what not https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/france-s-president-fueling-hype-over-unproven-coronavirus-treatment | 22:38 |
python476 | I've read that their logistics is still slow (not much new PPE and respirators) | 22:39 |
python476 | and social distancing is not top notch | 22:39 |
python476 | so who knows | 22:39 |
nixonix | %title | 22:39 |
Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.sciencemag.org: Is France’s president fueling the hype over an unproven coronavirus treatment? | Science | AAAS | 22:39 |
python476 | nixonix: such a sad distraction ... | 22:39 |
python476 | we need people acting not potential biblical icons.. | 22:39 |
python476 | or maybe humans are really wired to find jesus | 22:39 |
python476 | dzho: is France particularly bad at this ? | 22:40 |
nixonix | ((i thought it was more a german thing. homeopathy)) | 22:40 |
dzho | maybe it's both | 22:40 |
nixonix | prob. and swiss. or maybe swiss just make money with it, dunno | 22:41 |
dzho | ok, enough for me for now, back to idling | 22:41 |
mefistofeles | homeopathy is everywhere, probably worse in non-europeans countries, imho | 22:41 |
stinkpot | chloroquine feels like homeopathy | 22:41 |
nixonix | maybe i should google about homeopathic medicines on covid-19... | 22:42 |
mefistofeles | stinkpot: in what sense? it's a known antimalarial drug, fwiw | 22:42 |
stinkpot | we don't really understand how it works | 22:42 |
livebrain | homepathic remedies on covid-19 = someone in USA spits in the ocean | 22:42 |
livebrain | the other in autralia drinks ocean water | 22:42 |
livebrain | and its cured | 22:42 |
mefistofeles | there was actually people massively going to the ocean for a bath thinking it would cure the virus | 22:43 |
nixonix | well it needs to be shaken too. not stirred (ocean) | 22:43 |
mefistofeles | in some latin american country | 22:43 |
stinkpot | there are quite a few drugs that are not usually antivirals that have sort of shown to be effective against coronavirus | 22:43 |
stinkpot | that feels a bit homeopathic to me | 22:43 |
X-Scale | never let a good crisis go to waste -> https://www.zerohedge.com/health/canadian-police-begin-making-home-visits-check-quarantine-compliance | 22:44 |
livebrain | this whole "google" thing make us all scientists | 22:44 |
livebrain | i actually think ppl are more stupid now than 20 years ago | 22:44 |
mefistofeles | stinkpot: ok, yes, but the tests are a bit more strict in any case | 22:44 |
livebrain | 20 years ago one would say "im stupid so i trust experts" | 22:44 |
mefistofeles | that's why chloroquine isn't really recommended as treatment | 22:44 |
python476 | stinkpot: HChloroquine is way too concentrated for that :D | 22:44 |
livebrain | now "let me google for 5minutes do became an expert" | 22:44 |
python476 | theres | 22:44 |
stinkpot | yes, i mean you actually have scientists involved | 22:44 |
mefistofeles | livebrain: I don't use google, fwiw :P | 22:45 |
python476 | there's a Nitric Oxide theory for coronaviruses | 22:45 |
stinkpot | too conentrated for what? | 22:45 |
python476 | stinkpot: dont be confused, homeopathy requires real science to be sure they dilluted the compound 200M times | 22:45 |
python476 | :D | 22:45 |
Bruce[m] | stinkpot: please join me https://overt.one/XKAooU | 22:45 |
python476 | because homeopathy is water and sugar, whereas HCQn has some molecules | 22:46 |
livebrain | python476: lol | 22:46 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US overtakes Italy as country with world's highest death toll → https://is.gd/15mkND | 22:46 |
stinkpot | thanks python476 i see | 22:47 |
danielp3344 | %data Maryland | 22:48 |
Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 7694 cases, 206 deaths (2.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 20 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:48 |
stinkpot | Bruce[m]: what is this site | 22:48 |
ryouma | i disagree. there is dunning kruger but there is also the fact that experts quite often really are not expert | 22:49 |
Bruce[m] | Just forget it won’t help us | 22:49 |
ryouma | i don't understand homeopathy. if i drink half a pint of beer, i will get drunker than if i drink a pint? | 22:49 |
ecks | an appealing concept | 22:51 |
mefistofeles | ryouma: I don'tknow, but I can give you some drops that can help you drink more and sleep better | 22:52 |
livebrain | if a drunk guy takes a piss in the ocean and you drink the ocean water in the other side of the planet | 22:52 |
python476 | ryouma: the more the expertise the less the babble | 22:52 |
livebrain | it means you wont be drunk anymore in your life ever gain | 22:52 |
python476 | you can correlate that sentence with my word output on this channel | 22:52 |
mefistofeles | all while losing weight, btw | 22:52 |
python476 | lots of people do talk about weight loss due to confinement | 22:52 |
mefistofeles | loss? | 22:53 |
python476 | yeah, is it absurd ? | 22:53 |
mefistofeles | no, but I'd say most people would gain some weight | 22:53 |
python476 | somehow they changed diet | 22:53 |
livebrain | i think there are better things to be concerned about it | 22:53 |
python476 | mefistofeles: oh because less movements and home snacks | 22:53 |
ecks | no social obligation to eat lunch when you're isolate | 22:53 |
ecks | d | 22:53 |
python476 | ecks: and even more realistically, no obligation to follow colleagues at burger steak house or starbucks | 22:54 |
python476 | also, no more wheat and pringles in stores | 22:54 |
Bruce[m] | Why do they talk about that l don’t see the reason of talking about that | 22:54 |
python476 | thanks ded supply chain | 22:54 |
Bruce[m] | Wow | 22:55 |
Bruce[m] | Let’s roll | 22:55 |
stinkpot | Bruce[m]: is there a safe and secure and non-corporate version of slack? | 22:55 |
ryouma | you have to separate actual knowledge from being considered an expert. there are many with impeccable credentials on the surface who have great praise and honors heaped on them who emit nothing but babble --- 13:52 <python476> ryouma: the more the expertise the less the babble | 22:55 |
python476 | ryouma: it's all very weird | 22:55 |
LjL | maybe he meant actual expertise, not perceived expertise | 22:56 |
ryouma | expertise in the second sense is overrated. the internet is an antidote. | 22:56 |
python476 | and its own poison | 22:56 |
python476 | but we're drifting | 22:56 |
ryouma | the thing is though when MOST people cannot tell the difference it is a problem | 22:57 |
Bruce[m] | Guys have u notice that the people here most don’t reply chats they are all offline | 22:57 |
stinkpot | i think they're just afk not offline | 22:57 |
LjL | python476, on the other hand, i was *un*banned from r/italy (upon asking, and the mod who replied had the guts to be like "oh, it's been one month, i guess that will suffice") | 22:57 |
stinkpot | there's not much to talk about in this channel for most people bruce | 22:58 |
Bruce[m] | Help me only u guys keep me busy but mostly I am bored | 22:58 |
stinkpot | yeah python476 i lost like 5 lbs so far | 22:58 |
LjL | python476, also the first time i asked, i got a reply like "could you say that in english? we mods here don't really speak italian". because i had asked on a completely different subreddit thinking it was r/italy somehow. | 22:58 |
stinkpot | the reason being is that when i cook it's not tasty food so i eat a lot less calories | 22:58 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 20:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Priti Patel 'sorry if people feel there have been failings' on PPE → https://is.gd/BSBvyr | 22:59 |
python476 | LjL: congratulation on entering your virtual homeland again | 22:59 |
python476 | Bruce[m]: maybe they just want a stream of news to scan to stay up to date | 22:59 |
python476 | stinkpot: do you work out in house ? | 23:00 |
LjL | python476, problem is more that i'm not allowed to leave it | 23:00 |
stinkpot | yeah just body weight squats, push ups, bar dips, jumping jacks | 23:00 |
python476 | stinkpot: "just" .. that's a whole health program :D | 23:01 |
python476 | mefistofeles: on a balcony ? | 23:02 |
mefistofeles | python476: what? | 23:05 |
stinkpot | python476: i just burn about 200 calories at most | 23:05 |
mefistofeles | python476: I didn't get the balcony question, but it was hiking | 23:06 |
stinkpot | hiking? | 23:06 |
mefistofeles | stinkpot: yes... | 23:06 |
LjL | mefistofeles, he's probably assumed you aren't allowed to leave your home without a reason that's considered valid | 23:06 |
LjL | but not all lockdowns are the same | 23:06 |
mefistofeles | ah right | 23:06 |
LjL | if i keep googling for it at some point i'm convinced someone will make it | 23:07 |
stinkpot | damn 18km of hiking. i bet that didn't go as smooth as your cycling excursions | 23:07 |
mefistofeles | LjL: that's a hard task, since not even the lockdowns are homogeneous in the same country | 23:07 |
python476 | mefistofeles: a dude ran a marathon on his balcony | 23:08 |
LjL | mefistofeles, many people with more ability and willpower than me have worked on these things. https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy/lombardia is not a map but it takes a *piece* of a country and tells you in a relatively granular (okay, not very granular, but it's still four different variables) way what the lockdown's like | 23:08 |
mefistofeles | python476: oh, haha nice | 23:08 |
mefistofeles | LjL: nice | 23:08 |
python476 | mefistofeles: 8m long balcony.. that man doesn't mind repetition | 23:09 |
mefistofeles | but yeah, doing it in a larger scale is going to be really tough | 23:09 |
mefistofeles | python476: oh f... that's crazy | 23:09 |
mefistofeles | ttyl | 23:09 |
python476 | button well | 23:11 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll tops 20,000, Governors call for $500 billion more in aid → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 23:11 |
ecks | man, the Sweden curves on that website are depressing... | 23:13 |
ecks | although some of the numbers are a bit weird | 23:14 |
ecks | there are definitely more than 79 ICU beds in Sweden | 23:14 |
Arsanerit | The Sweden curves on what website? | 23:15 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: hey, when you get a chance can I get you change where you get your data from? I have a new URL for you. PM if you like. | 23:16 |
Arsanerit | Apparently the number of beds for The Netherlands is also out of date on that website | 23:16 |
Bruce[m] | Ok | 23:16 |
ecks | https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden | 23:16 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, sure, just tell me here or PM, i'll change it right away | 23:16 |
tinwhiskers | pwr22: I'll also get you to change if you're still using the data from offloop | 23:17 |
Arsanerit | I find it hard to believe there are only that few hospital beds and ICU in Sweden | 23:19 |
ecks | yeah, the numbers are very off | 23:19 |
ecks | but still, the site estimates 3,400 ICU beds needed during the peak and there's maybe 1,000 in reality | 23:20 |
Arsanerit | I'm satisfied to live in Germany. | 23:20 |
ecks | so it's gonna look like Italy in here in three weeks | 23:20 |
livebrain | they will act faster than italy | 23:20 |
ecks | worse than Italy according to those projections | 23:21 |
LjL | models on these things are difficult | 23:21 |
livebrain | in getting ICU beds | 23:21 |
LjL | do not take it as any kind of certain prediction | 23:21 |
livebrain | portugal doubled the number of beds | 23:21 |
ecks | sweden has already increased its ICU beds by around 50% | 23:21 |
livebrain | countries have to learn from italy and spain | 23:21 |
livebrain | and act fast | 23:21 |
ecks | 379 deaths per day at the peak, that's like 1,500 per day in Italy if we adjust per capita | 23:22 |
Bruce[m] | Wow😱😱 🇵🇹 Portugal | 23:22 |
livebrain | Bruce[m]: ? | 23:22 |
Arsanerit | ecks: Are you in Sweden? | 23:28 |
ecks | yeah | 23:28 |
Cai[m] | https://twitter.com/grahamfarmelo/status/1249069889534472192?s=19 | 23:28 |
Bruce[m] | Cai: Kk | 23:30 |
Arsanerit | I wonder what libertarians think should be the response to a pandemic. | 23:33 |
ecks | what would the government do? then do the opposite | 23:33 |
stinkpot | interesting question to ask Arsanerit | 23:33 |
blackntan | What country do you wish you where in for this pandemic? | 23:35 |
stinkpot | korea probably | 23:36 |
blackntan | stinkpot: interesting | 23:36 |
stinkpot | or iceland | 23:36 |
livebrain | south or north korea ? | 23:36 |
stinkpot | well north korea could be good too. they supposedly have more ICU beds per capita than anyone | 23:37 |
stinkpot | not sure we can trust their reported figures tho | 23:37 |
\n3p\ | Arsanerit, there the answer what libertarians do https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/07/rand-paul-recovers-from-coronavirus-volunteering-at-hospital/ | 23:38 |
blackntan | I think of rather have the healthcare as well though. So Korea and Iceland don't excite me | 23:39 |
stinkpot | blackntan: what are you talking about they have good healthcare | 23:41 |
blackntan | So, ky, USA. They doesn't sound like a bad place to be tight now .... | 23:41 |
stinkpot | kentucky? | 23:41 |
blackntan | Yup | 23:41 |
stinkpot | the US isn't a bad place to be for medical care | 23:41 |
blackntan | Exactly | 23:41 |
stinkpot | but the government is prioritizing coronavirus cases over everything else | 23:42 |
blackntan | stinkpot: you think North Korea had good healthcare? Interesting | 23:43 |
stinkpot | i think they have good healthcare but malnutrition | 23:43 |
stinkpot | and lack of ability to get a lot of medications which would enable all sorts of care for a myriad of diseases | 23:43 |
blackntan | So that's where you'd like to be? | 23:43 |
stinkpot | no, south korea | 23:44 |
blackntan | Ok. Over any other country/locale right now? | 23:44 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: For the first time in US history, every state is under a disaster declaration simultaneously (11073 votes) | https://redd.it/fzdovx | 23:45 |
Arsanerit | blackntan: I'm actually quite fine to be in Germany. | 23:46 |
stinkpot | blackntan: florida, US | 23:46 |
Arsanerit | My personal situation is good. I am employed by the federal government, I can do my work 100% remotely. I am in good health and able to get what I need locally. | 23:46 |
ynhof[m] | Ever feel drunk when you wake@ | 23:47 |
ynhof[m] | *? | 23:47 |
Bruce[m] | Not so | 23:47 |
stinkpot | mefistofeles: estas varado en europa? | 23:48 |
ynhof[m] | Every day occurrence for me now. Will get it checked. | 23:48 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll tops 20,000, Governors call for $500 billion more in aid → https://is.gd/qopNVC | 23:54 |
ryouma | ynhof[m]: candida can possibly cause that | 23:58 |
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