Arsanerit | I never could get the hang of Tuesdays. | 00:11 |
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pyna | wish i could argue with any of this bleak hell https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/ | 00:12 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global confirmed cases pass 2.5m but Italy sees first significant fall in infections → https://is.gd/iFGkq3 | 00:12 |
Arsanerit | 2020/06 ? | 00:12 |
Arsanerit | that's in the future | 00:13 |
Arsanerit | gn | 00:13 |
LjL | "first significant fall in infections" is artificial imo | 00:14 |
LjL | it is cases-recoveries-deaths | 00:14 |
pyna | the future is here, just not evenly distributed | 00:15 |
LjL | you have fewer infections if you start counting recoveries that you weren't counting before | 00:15 |
LjL | which is *inderectly* a positive indication, potentially, because recoveries means you're testing some people twice and finding them negative | 00:15 |
LjL | if you're testing those, it means you have enough excess tests to do that, instead of just testing sick people | 00:15 |
LjL | indirectly* also | 00:15 |
LjL | but i don't think the description of "fall in infections" makes a lot of sense | 00:16 |
LjL | it's an artificial number minus another artificial number | 00:16 |
Birosso | Anyone know why Fauci isn't appearing on today's briefing? | 00:17 |
yuri[m] | It will be interesting to see if other countries see a 5%-ish relapse of people decleared "recovered". That's the figure in South-Korea | 00:17 |
pyna | probably not cleared by the political officer today | 00:18 |
yuri[m] | I'm watching todays breafing, has so far mostly been about the economy. Fauci isn't an economist, he's more of a globalist /eugenics agenda pusher | 00:18 |
ubLIX | yuri[m]: Fauci is a "eugenics pusher"? | 00:20 |
rager | lol, fringer deteted | 00:20 |
pyna | pravda | 00:27 |
stinkpot | did you read this yet ublix: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3575134 | 00:33 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:30 UTC: Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City: President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission." → https://is.gd/DkAznd | 00:34 |
ubLIX | hadn't seen that one, stinkpot. been vacationing in non-covid literature for a spell | 00:41 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global confirmed cases pass 2.5m but Italy sees first significant fall in infections → https://is.gd/iFGkq3 | 00:41 |
stinkpot | what do you think about it ublix? | 00:50 |
stinkpot | are a lot of researchers taking the approach of using the SARS-CoV-2 RBD ? | 00:50 |
ubLIX | i don't have a wide perspective, stinkpot, i am not a scientist | 00:52 |
stinkpot | ljl make sure this guy doesn't become an admin. no non-scientists allowed | 00:54 |
ytlyv8 | stinky | 00:55 |
ytlyv8 | what your problem | 00:55 |
ubLIX | first day in the channel, ytlyv8? | 00:56 |
ytlyv8 | no | 00:56 |
ytlyv8 | yours | 00:57 |
ecov | no u | 00:59 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: More than 40 employees lived at their plant for 28 days to make material to protect health care workers (10081 votes) | https://redd.it/g5gytr | 01:02 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:53 UTC: (news): White House health advisor says Americans need to prepare for more deaths as coronavirus outbreak moves past peak → https://is.gd/mdwLNC | 01:03 |
LjL | hi ytlyv8 | 01:05 |
LjL | i think stinkpot was only joking | 01:05 |
ytlyv8 | so was i | 01:05 |
LjL | %title https://time.com/5824644/germany-coronavirus-solar/ not sure how cherry-picked in terms of times to maximize amounts... | 01:12 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From time.com: Germany Produces Record Solar Power as Skies Clear in Lockdown | Time | 01:12 |
LjL | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.punto-informatico.it%2Fimmuni-sara-open-source-parola-del-ministero%2F | 01:30 |
LjL | it was clarified that the Italian tracing app Immuni will be released under an MPL 2.0 "-like" license | 01:30 |
LjL | also it remains voluntary but there is some hard to comprehend mulling at the end of the article over some specific passage in something that was said or written that makes the site suspect there may be limitations to access... somewhere, of some kind, if you don't have the app | 01:31 |
LjL | or, i don't know, perhaps more that you will undergo some compulsory restrictions if you're found to be a contact | 01:32 |
LjL | since the former shouldn't be the case as the Privacy Authority said that no goods or services etc shall be conditioned on having the app | 01:32 |
LjL | but i think the Privacy Authority had also said something against the latter, so, not sure | 01:32 |
LjL | the site has also an opinion piece on why they think the app won't work, as it has generated too much controversy already to reach the 60% adoption "target" (and actually, in the usual press conference, the latest doctor invited said 70% or 80% would be realistically needed) | 01:34 |
LjL | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.punto-informatico.it%2Fimmuni-app-non-puo-farcela%2F | 01:34 |
PlanckWalk | LjL: Australia has a tracing app coming out too. They're aiming for 40% adoption, which seems bizarrely low, and probably won't get it anyway. | 01:37 |
LjL | maybe just unexpectedly realistic | 01:38 |
LjL | i can't see how any voluntary app would get over 40% installs | 01:39 |
LjL | take the people who don't have a smartphone | 01:39 |
LjL | take those who have a smartphone that's old enough to lack BLE | 01:39 |
LjL | take those who are wary about the privacy implications | 01:39 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:33 UTC: Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City: President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission." → https://is.gd/DkAznd | 01:39 |
LjL | take those for whom the inertia makes them just not install it | 01:39 |
LjL | 40% seems even optimistic when i consider all the possible reasons for not installing it | 01:40 |
PlanckWalk | Especially since ours will not be open source and we'll just have to trust the government that it does what they say. | 01:40 |
LjL | or... assume it doesn't | 01:40 |
PlanckWalk | Right | 01:41 |
LjL | PlanckWalk, which makes me question: what ELSE can be done effectively with 40% adoption, if tracing can't? | 01:41 |
PlanckWalk | Heh, good question | 01:41 |
Coenraad | each 1% in spread reductoin translates to 10 000's of lives... so every bit helps | 01:41 |
Coenraad | so it'd just be 1 of many interventions to reduce spread | 01:42 |
PlanckWalk | Eh, 1% reduction in spread does hardly anything unless the Reff is between 0.99 and 1.01 | 01:42 |
PlanckWalk | Which is such a narrow range that it's pretty meaningless anyway, since local conditions and time vary the Reff by more than that | 01:44 |
LjL | if by "spread" percentage you take the entire population and say 1% of that is 1% of the population, then it's tens of thousands of lives, hundreds even... but that's not what spread is | 01:45 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:38 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 01:47 |
ubLIX | jeeesus. if the UK lock down had been more severe, we'd perhaps not be vying for worst lockdown-response performance in Europe, but then as far as i know we don't yet have it this bad: https://www.motherjones.com/food/2020/04/these-photos-show-the-staggering-food-bank-lines-across-america/ | 01:49 |
ubLIX | %t | 01:49 |
Brainstorm | ubLIX: From www.motherjones.com: These Photos Show the Staggering Food Bank Lines Across America – Mother Jones | 01:49 |
ubLIX | photos are a week old; apparently it has worsened since then | 01:50 |
LjL | ubLIX, nice social distancing | 01:52 |
LjL | also there is a picture of a "freeway" with... traffic lights? | 01:53 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 23:51 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Anche all’ospedale di Tortona si sperimenterà l’eparina nella cura del coronavirus → https://is.gd/FbNOjr | 01:54 |
ubLIX | looks inner city enough for north America; US have wider roads than us | 01:55 |
LjL | ubLIX, it's just that the caption calls it a freeway. but i guess that can mean many things maybe. | 01:56 |
LjL | for us, as i guess for you, it's either a motorway, and then lights are definitely off the table, but also level crossings and other things, or it's just not | 01:57 |
ubLIX | we have stretches of motorway (UK'ian for freeway) that don't much diminish in size before being controlled by traffic lights, then quickly turn back into motorway | 01:57 |
LjL | hmm | 01:57 |
ubLIX | at some junctions | 01:57 |
Toadisattva | that sounds more like what we call a highway | 01:58 |
Toadisattva | vs a freeway whre there are no lights just exits | 01:58 |
mal_44 | whats the difference between a highway and a freeway? | 01:59 |
mal_44 | we just have motorways here | 01:59 |
LjL | ubLIX, i think in most cases here motorways are tangential to cities... if you *leave* the motorway to get into the city, then you can have a six-lane situation and meet a traffic light, but then it's no longer a motorway *nor* going to be a motorway again. instead, if you are just going tangential to Milan on the A4 for instance (Turin-Milan-Venice, the motorway i'm most familiar with), it gets narrower and you basically don't have emergency lanes as it | 01:59 |
LjL | insinuates into the city's suburbs, but it's still a motorway with all it entails | 01:59 |
Toadisattva | a highway is road that is fairly high speed with long segments between stop lights, a freeway has no lights at all is generally higher speed 65-80 mph and just has enterance and exit ramps to get on or off, freeways are "interstates" and cover most of the country | 02:01 |
ubLIX | i guess, yes, light controls immediately on departure from motorway, on some junctions where you have the option of switching to a different motorway, but where traffic is also being mixed with urban | 02:01 |
Toadisattva | highways are usually local to a particular state/city/region | 02:01 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:55 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 02:01 |
LjL | i don't think freeway = interstate is terminology that's used that way all over the US, though | 02:01 |
ubLIX | not according to that caption, anyway | 02:02 |
mal_44 | so highways are like our "A" roads i think | 02:02 |
Toadisattva | yeah I don't think all freeways are interstates | 02:02 |
LjL | ubLIX, we do have an intermediate kind of thing called a "superstrada" (won't attempt a translation) which i am not really sure the details of... but i *think* it doesn't require hard-separated carriageway, has a lower speed limit (110 at most?), but on the other hand must still have no lights or level crossing so entry and exit is still from ramps | 02:04 |
LjL | also they tend to be free as opposed to toll roads, but i think that's just a tendency and ultimately orthogonal | 02:04 |
ubLIX | if i can survive until restrictions are lifted, would it be tempting fate to explore the idiosyncrasies of Italian roads driving around Naples? | 02:10 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 02:16 |
Coenraad | https://www.thiswebsitewillselfdestruct.com/ | 02:18 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as White House prepares immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 02:37 |
qkall | hmm i'm getting an error with Brainstorm - going to see if it works in the room | 02:40 |
qkall | %stats us | 02:40 |
Brainstorm | KeyError: 'entry' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 129, in covid) | 02:40 |
ubLIX | %cases us | 02:41 |
Brainstorm | KeyError: 'entry' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 129, in covid) | 02:41 |
ubLIX | heh | 02:41 |
ubLIX | ^ LjL | 02:41 |
LjL | uh oh | 02:41 |
qkall | okay cool - not just me :D | 02:41 |
LjL | on the other hand | 02:41 |
LjL | it *had* stopped *again* sending updates, and i have repeatedly forgotten over the course of today that i was meant to look at the logs after adding debug prints | 02:42 |
LjL | though in this case, the log print itself is causing the error | 02:42 |
LjL | looks like variable names aren't to be put within quotation marks in Python | 02:42 |
LjL | %cases scotland | 02:43 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In Scotland, United Kingdom, there are 8450 cases (0.2% of the population) and 903 deaths (10.7% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 31114 tests were performed (27.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Scotland for time series data. | 02:43 |
qkall | %stats us | 02:44 |
Brainstorm | qkall: In all areas, US, there are 795733 cases (0.2% of the population) and 42708 deaths (5.4% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 4.0 million tests were performed (19.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:44 |
qkall | aye! | 02:44 |
ubLIX | ha, when did Brainstorm learn of the existence of Scotland? | 02:44 |
qkall | LjL: awesome! | 02:44 |
qkall | thanks :D | 02:44 |
LjL | ubLIX, when tinwhiskers changed from JHU et al to Covidly | 02:44 |
ubLIX | great. nice to be on the map | 02:46 |
ubLIX | well, not this map in particular, but still | 02:46 |
LjL | today, covid, tomorrow, the world | 02:46 |
LjL | but i still don't know why it's not sending out updates :( | 02:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:35 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 02:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:54 UTC: See how coronavirus can spread through a population, and how countries flatten the curve: Take charge of this interactive and watch how small changes in isolation or reproduction rates of Covid-19 can affect our battle against it. → https://is.gd/oYtXij | 03:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:08 UTC: US-China relations at a low as 'blame-shifting' sets back war against virus: Ties between the U.S. and China are at their "worst point in living memory," says one academic who says both countries are engaged in a "grand exercise in blame-shifting" over the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/9PeJKm | 03:14 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as White House prepares immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 03:21 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Federal documents: more than 300,000 likely to die if restrictions are lifted (10459 votes) | https://redd.it/g5j9xx | 03:27 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +28090 cases (now 823072), +2559 deaths (now 45228) since 15 hours ago — France: +16724 cases (now 157947), +531 deaths (now 20796) since 13 hours ago — New York, US: +5301 cases (now 258361), +493 deaths (now 19104) since 23 hours ago | 03:38 |
LjL | i hope my bot is bonkers | 03:40 |
LjL | %cases france | 03:40 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, France, there are 157947 cases (0.2% of the population) and 20796 deaths (13.2% of cases) as of 5 minutes ago. 463662 tests were performed (34.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 03:40 |
LjL | oh right, france's data on covidly are all steppy :\ | 03:40 |
LjL | kind of unusable | 03:41 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 01:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Government facing fresh questions over EU equipment scheme → https://is.gd/43Qd56 | 03:43 |
LjL | just a few days ago https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy was predicting we'd have topped out at little more than 20000 deaths. but now we're already past 25000 | 03:46 |
LjL | and yet, "our measures are working", to parrot countless government officials | 03:46 |
LjL | god save us if they hadn't been working | 03:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 03:50 |
iz | usa will prob be at 1mil at the end of this week :/ | 04:07 |
Toadisattva | we're #1! | 04:08 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:00 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 04:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 04:19 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:30 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 04:41 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 02:47 UTC: CoronavirusGLOBAL: Infectious disease expert: We're only in the second inning of the pandemic → https://is.gd/H5gVAK | 04:48 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: New York City builds coronavirus strategic medical reserve: ‘We can’t depend on the federal government,’ mayor says (10059 votes) | https://redd.it/g5hkq5 | 04:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 05:03 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 03:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Government facing fresh questions over EU equipment scheme → https://is.gd/43Qd56 | 05:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 05:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:19 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 05:25 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 05:32 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:34 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 05:39 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 05:54 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 03:55 UTC: nCoV: Factbox: Countries pondering an easing of coronavirus curbs → https://is.gd/7ZGs2g | 06:01 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Nurses read names of colleagues who died of COVID-19 in protest outside White House (10079 votes) | https://redd.it/g5ms00 | 06:03 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 04:04 UTC: nCoV: Trump agrees to help New York double coronavirus testing, governor says → https://is.gd/LNqacA | 06:08 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:05 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 06:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 06:37 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:34 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 06:45 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 06:59 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:58 UTC: European markets head for positive open, defying coronavirus and oil price fears: European markets are set to open in positive territory on Wednesday, bucking the trend in global markets where there are widespread concerns over the coronavirus outbreak and a slump in oil prices. → https://is.gd/6rNuiz | 07:14 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:09 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 07:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:22 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 07:35 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:37 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 07:50 |
ytlyv8 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRfhuRNua_E | 07:58 |
tinwhiskers | %title | 07:59 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: From www.youtube.com: Make Fabric Face Mask at home | DIY Face Mask No Sewing Machine | Easy Face Mask Pattern - YouTube | 07:59 |
tinwhiskers | ytlyv8++ | 07:59 |
tinwhiskers | I made these ones, which I reckon or more stylish, but they do require hand-sewing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUasSmReIVo | 08:00 |
ytlyv8 | more than one diy on page | 08:02 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Medical supply company charging $786 for a box of 20 face masks (formerly $42) accused of exploiting coronavirus crisis (10091 votes) | https://redd.it/g5q3ll | 08:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 08:12 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 06:15 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: [BLOG] Cosa ci dicono i dati ISTAT in più rispetto a quelli della Protezione Civile? → https://is.gd/bxSFpI | 08:19 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 08:33 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:32 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: Russia and its leader Vladimir Putin are facing an unprecedented challenge as the coronavirus outbreak accelerates in the country, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj | 08:41 |
SeanBedlam[m] | Although I am not religious I have been so heartbroken as thus dark cloud has been cast over the world I can't help but call out for the end of the world's grief. | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:45 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU | 08:55 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 09:02 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 09:10 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 07:09 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Why Do We Need Ventilators To Fight Coronavirus ? | COVID 19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/WvvRFW | 09:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:13 UTC: UK coronavirus live: government's PPE procurement claims unravel: Latest on UK coronavirus crisis as part of a PPE consignment arrives and Keir Starmer quizzes Dominic Raab at PMQs → https://is.gd/kjie1L | 09:24 |
rager | Not that recent, but kinda informative: https://youtu.be/NcrMMccACSY | 09:32 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:31 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj | 09:39 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:43 UTC: European markets advance, defying coronavirus and oil price fears: European markets traded in positive territory on Wednesday, bucking the trend in global markets where there are widespread concerns over the coronavirus outbreak and a slump in oil prices. → https://is.gd/6rNuiz | 09:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:49 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj | 09:54 |
EliteGamer | HEY | 09:58 |
mefistofeles | hey | 09:59 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:58 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; New cases in Germany jump by 2,237: China's National Health Commission said there were 30 new confirmed cases as of April 21, and no new deaths were reported for the seventh straight day. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 10:01 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:07 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via → https://is.gd/cyJmzc | 10:08 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/Aw8xZj | 10:15 |
captain___c_____ | /msg nickserv identify captain___c_____ 123123aa | 10:17 |
captain___c_____ | ok | 10:18 |
captain___c_____ | ya | 10:18 |
captain___c_____ | ok | 10:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 10:37 |
pwr22 | Morning all | 10:42 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 10:44 |
explore | hey | 10:56 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:46 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Labour MP says retraction from FCO chief about UK boycotting EU scheme not credible → https://is.gd/kjie1L | 10:59 |
pwr22 | Apparently a lot of people in $work building / supporting the new pop up hospital next door | 11:07 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 11:14 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Missouri → https://is.gd/0OgYQ9 | 11:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:37 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 11:42 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: California becomes first state to recommend coronavirus tests for some without symptoms (10048 votes) | https://redd.it/g5qp8n | 11:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 12:04 |
jmatrix1 | Hi we're on the road to rocery | 12:10 |
jmatrix1 | recovery | 12:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:14 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 12:18 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India halts antibody tests; Poland's total cases exceed 10,000 → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 12:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Labour MP says retraction from FCO chief about UK boycotting EU scheme not credible → https://is.gd/kjie1L | 12:32 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/Qfpglm | 12:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/jMAQ8k | 12:47 |
mefistofeles | statlaw[m]: noted | 12:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:51 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj | 12:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:56 UTC: Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks: Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible when the coronavirus hit, now, it says its strategy appears to be working. → https://is.gd/7MpgOY | 13:08 |
Mikaela | %cases Sweden | 13:14 |
Brainstorm | Mikaela: In all areas, Sweden, there are 15322 cases (0.1% of the population) and 1765 deaths (11.5% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 94600 tests were performed (16.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 13:14 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:11 UTC: (news): Delta posts first-quarter pretax loss of $607 million as coronavirus hurts travel demand → https://is.gd/zg1VLI | 13:15 |
mefistofeles | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-1048d367 | 13:20 |
mefistofeles | interesting... "...revealed that two people who died in their homes in early February were infected with the coronavirus — weeks before the first officially recorded death in Seattle...." | 13:21 |
mefistofeles | and probably infected by community | 13:21 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mondo → https://is.gd/G6EXCi | 13:22 |
peterx[m] | %cases China | 13:23 |
Brainstorm | peterx[m]: In all areas, China, there are 84463 cases (0.0% of the population) and 4634 deaths (5.5% of cases) as of 3 minutes ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 5.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. | 13:23 |
Biep[m] | <MinceR "maybe the people who fawn over b"> Neither - it is just a hoax, and a form of hate mongering. | 13:24 |
Biep[m] | <tinwhiskers "Of you've been to Africa you nee"> This normally happens when you come *from* a Yellow Fever country. When I go to Burkina Faso, it depends on where I make my stop-over whether I need my YF vaccine. | 13:28 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Earth Day → https://is.gd/2XIUGn | 13:29 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:33 UTC: (news): Delta books first-quarter loss after burning $100 million in cash a day during coronavirus travel slump → https://is.gd/zg1VLI | 13:37 |
ubLIX | https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/First-known-U-S-coronavirus-death-occurred-on-15217316.php | 13:42 |
ubLIX | %t | 13:42 |
Brainstorm | ubLIX: From www.sfchronicle.com: First known U.S. coronavirus death occurred on Feb. 6 in Santa Clara County - SFChronicle.com | 13:42 |
ubLIX | "Santa Clara County on Tuesday announced three previously unidentified deaths from the coronavirus" | 13:42 |
ubLIX | “What it means is we had coronavirus circulating in the community much earlier than we had documented and much earlier than we had thought,” | 13:42 |
ubLIX | "People typically die of COVID-19 about a month after they are infected with the coronavirus, suggesting that the person who died Feb. 6 likely was infected in early January." | 13:43 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:46 UTC: Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks: Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible when the coronavirus hit, now, it says its strategy appears to be working. → https://is.gd/7MpgOY | 13:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:51 UTC: India halts coronavirus antibody tests; Poland's total cases exceed 10,000: India has ordered a pause in testing for antibodies to the coronavirus because of concerns over the accuracy of the results. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC | 13:58 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine; first case seen in Palestinian refugees in Lebanon → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 14:05 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 14:12 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine; first case seen in Palestinian refugees in Lebanon → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 14:19 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/KYSPpU | 14:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:31 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj | 14:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 14:48 |
ubLX | https://www.ft.com/content/a13c4ac8-82eb-11ea-b872-8db45d5f6714 | 14:59 |
ubLX | "Wanted: a civilian army of contact tracers to end the lockdown" | 14:59 |
ubLX | anyone got a subscription to the FT? | 14:59 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Coronavirus deaths in the US top 45,000, doubling in a week (10210 votes) | https://redd.it/g5sr2y | 14:59 |
jiffe | so there have been a few vaccines in trials for 1+ months now, anything looking promising so far? I haven't heard anything since any of them first went into trials | 15:00 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:59 UTC: (news): Delta books first-quarter loss after burning $100 million in cash a day during coronavirus travel slump → https://is.gd/zg1VLI | 15:02 |
yuriwho | I'm trying to follow the lead scientist for the US trials at NIAID but you have to apply now to be able to see her tweets. She sounded very confidant that front line hospital workers and first responders would be added to the trial this fall and that the first vaccine would be produced at scale and delivered to the public in the spring. From that I infer the trials are looking good so far in terms of safety and | 15:04 |
yuriwho | antibody responses. | 15:04 |
yuriwho | but this is conjecture | 15:04 |
yuriwho | and yes, she was getting attacked on twitter as she is a young black female scientist (early 30's) and she also uses a lot of african american vernacular. F'ing people suck. | 15:06 |
ecov | attacked on twitter? poor thing! | 15:07 |
yuriwho | thats a disrespectful comment ecov | 15:08 |
jiffe | you're talking about mRNA-1273 ? | 15:09 |
yuriwho | ya, the Moderna vaccine | 15:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 15:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:20 UTC: Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks: Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible when the coronavirus hit. Now, it says its strategy appears to be working. → https://is.gd/7MpgOY | 15:24 |
ecov | ^^^^^ | 15:30 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: noto, nessun rischio per l'acqua del rubinetto → https://is.gd/R75WWp | 15:31 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine; first case seen in Palestinian refugees in Lebanon → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 15:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 15:45 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Hancock says contact tracing system to be in place 'in matter of weeks' → https://is.gd/kjie1L | 15:53 |
ubLX | seems to be a scrape of the "Wanted: a civilian army of contact tracers to end the lockdown" FT article: https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/22/wanted-a-civilian-army-of-contact-tracers-to-end-the-lockdown/ | 15:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Delta burning $100 million in cash a day → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 16:00 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Autopsy: Santa Clara patient died of COVID-19 on Feb. 6 — 23 days before 1st U.S. death declared (10489 votes) | https://redd.it/g5vptf | 16:11 |
ecov | the fact that it started in CA, spread to NY, and CA is doing relatively fine makes me less worried about this virus | 16:12 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - California → https://is.gd/yOoWk6 | 16:21 |
iz | ecov: idk if that's a safe conclusion to make based on that new info | 16:22 |
ecov | its not a conclusion, just pushing me more in that direction | 16:22 |
iz | i wouldn't assume that means it started in CA, just that it was in the USA sooner than we previously knew about | 16:23 |
ubLX | outbreak size correlates with local breadth of passport possession | 16:24 |
ubLX | ie multiple simultaneous landings | 16:24 |
ecov | I'm not assuming it started in CA | 16:25 |
ecov | iz why are you do difficult to talk to | 16:25 |
ecov | "Its not a safe conclusion..." "I wouldnt assume...." holy shit fuck off | 16:25 |
iz | lol, you think i'm difficult to talk to? | 16:26 |
iz | irony is too thick for me to say anything else, so i'm just gonna go make breakfast | 16:26 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:21 UTC: Business: Eurozone consumer confidence slumps amid Covid-19 crisis, as oil remains volatile - business live → https://is.gd/nEJ6wN | 16:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Delta burning $100 million in cash a day → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 16:36 |
yuriwho | iz your next ad hom will result in a quiet | 16:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns lead to shocking drop in air pollution; 3D printers make swabs → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 16:43 |
iz | if you read the scrollback, you'll see i'm the one getting sworn at.. and i have no intention of swearing at anyone or attacking thier person. | 16:43 |
yuriwho | just chillax | 16:43 |
iz | sure, i'm making breakfast, ttyl unless you specifically highlight me | 16:44 |
yuriwho | kk | 16:44 |
yuriwho | also i. z. sa as to not highlight you, I may have misread your statement as an ad hom when it was a philosophical musing ;-) my bad | 16:48 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: NYC can't ease coronavirus restrictions until it can run 'hundreds of thousands' of tests a day, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City is currently in a phase of widespread transmission, where officials are unable to trace the origin of most Covid-19 cases and is heavily reliant on social distancing to prevent further [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wojbPj | 16:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:51 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Hancock says contact tracing system in place 'in weeks' as death toll rises by 759 → https://is.gd/kjie1L | 16:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:06 UTC: Watch live: The World Health Organization holds a press briefing on the coronavirus pandemic: WHO is holding a briefing on the coronavirus pandemic, which has infected more than 2.5 million people worldwide and killed at least 178,845. → https://is.gd/7AYN4A | 17:11 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:24 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Parigi → https://is.gd/aNquDs | 17:26 |
LjL | https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-04-22-dn--overall-mortality-has-clearly-increased-in-sweden-with-the-corona-epidemic.r1ExrzYp_8.html i wonder if the Swedish government is investigating and publishing what they believe are actual COVID-19 deaths | 17:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns lead to shocking drop in air pollution; 3D printers make swabs → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 17:33 |
pyna | so when the thing started i realized i don't have a thermometer, so if i get a fever idk how bad it is. realized that just when thermometers vanished from everywhere. i got a ovulation thermometer cause you could still get those but it's weird and crappy. then some company i bought a cam from got a hold of a bunch of thermometers so i ordered one, and damn its like the ferrari of thermometing | 17:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:45 UTC: NYC can't ease coronavirus restrictions until it can run hundreds of thousands of tests a day, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City is still in a phase of widespread transmission, where officials are unable to trace the origin of most Covid-19 cases and is heavily reliant on social distancing, de Blasio said. → https://is.gd/wojbPj | 17:47 |
LjL | pyna, why's the ovulation thermometer crappy? i was almost buying one, they looked like normal thermometers except with two decimal digits, which if anything would make them a lot more precise (assuming the second digit is meaningful at all) | 17:48 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns lead to shocking drop in air pollution; 3D printers make swabs → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 17:54 |
pyna | LjL: i think just the one i got. expensive for a thermoter and confusing to use and doesn't seem accurate | 17:57 |
pyna | but maybe i was using it wrong cause it seemed like the instructions were wrong | 17:58 |
LjL | pyna, press button, put under your armpit or in your mouth, wait about 5 minutes, read? | 17:59 |
pyna | instructions had something about time and beeping/vibration that never seemed to actually happen | 18:00 |
pyna | new one looks like jony ive pooped it out and is instant and has lcd display that shines through plastic | 18:02 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns bring air pollution drop, disagreements stall EU economic recovery deal → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 18:02 |
pyna | heckin' fancy i tell you https://ihealthlabs.com/thermometer-pt3/ | 18:04 |
LjL | oh well that's completely a different type, and much more expensive | 18:06 |
LjL | normal thermometers (including ovulation ones) are definitely not instant | 18:06 |
LjL | and in general i'd ignore any beeping or vibration, which tend to happen too early | 18:06 |
LjL | just keep them for five minutes or so as you would a mercury thermometer | 18:07 |
LjL | what's important with any "instant" thermometer is that it give you the same (or very similar) number every time if you try it repeatedly | 18:08 |
LjL | some of them are very bad at that | 18:08 |
LjL | which makes them very bad at everything | 18:09 |
LjL | but given that price, i'd dare hope it's decent | 18:09 |
pyna | yeah i wondered about it so i took my temp like a dozen times with various levels of casual and it was always the same | 18:15 |
pyna | expensive but not much more than the basal thermometer | 18:16 |
pyna | fourtet livestreaming rn https://www.nts.live/ | 18:16 |
JamGobbar | pyna: no the good thing to get now | 18:19 |
JamGobbar | is the oximeter | 18:19 |
JamGobbar | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html | 18:19 |
JamGobbar | it can save your life | 18:19 |
JamGobbar | detect your lungs turning into swiss cheese before it happens | 18:20 |
pyna | ah yeah | 18:21 |
ubLX | %t https://time.com/5824039/singapore-outbreak-migrant-workers/ | 18:23 |
Brainstorm | ubLX: From time.com: Why Singapore Lost Control of Its Coronavirus Outbreak | Time | 18:24 |
Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 16:19 UTC: MINISTERO DELLO SVILUPPO ECONOMICO - COMUNICATO: Avvio del procedimento di scioglimento per atto dell'autorita', senzanomina di commissario liquidatore, di n. 133 societa' cooperativeaventi sede nelle Regioni Lombardia, Lazio ed Emilia Romagna. (Avvison. 8/2020/SASNL). (20A02151) → https://is.gd/gj6NxC | 18:24 |
ubLX | "Experts say the surge, which began last week, is due largely to local officials underestimating the vulnerability of the city’s migrant workers" | "An estimated 200,000 migrants workers live in 43 dormitories in Singapore" | 18:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:28 UTC: (news): Billionaire Mike Bloomberg will help New York develop coronavirus test and trace program, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/GI7MDr | 18:31 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns bring air pollution drop, disagreements stall EU economic recovery deal → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 18:38 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 16:47 UTC: Aggiornamento 22/04: submitted by /u/maikk_ to r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA → https://is.gd/rVg5Hs | 18:53 |
sneep | Looks like the number of active cases in Italy is going down | 18:54 |
LjL | sneep, to me that just means they finally have enough spare tests to actually declare people "recovered" | 18:56 |
LjL | which is a good thing, but only indirectly | 18:56 |
Arsanerit | Germany wants to go to 3-4 million tests per week | 18:56 |
LjL | i mean, partly it also means that any people are dying. if you're dead you're no longer an active case. | 18:56 |
LjL | -any | 18:56 |
LjL | or rather *many | 18:57 |
Arsanerit | recovered, unless there is lasting chronic damage | 18:57 |
LjL | well they call that recovered anyway, it doesn't matter in this context, it's not an active case anymore | 18:57 |
sneep | Yikes, what's happening in Singapore | 18:57 |
LjL | failure to contain by only employing one method, apparently | 18:58 |
l0ndoner | Uk says peak has patued or curve is going down but they tested 22k and the positives are staying about the same % so I personally think the facts are BS the figures are far higher | 18:58 |
l0ndoner | platued* | 18:58 |
LjL | plateaued* | 18:58 |
LjL | l0ndoner, have the deaths plateaued? | 18:59 |
l0ndoner | deaths are down from the peak | 18:59 |
LjL | well apparently they have | 18:59 |
LjL | but both the deaths and the cases... look suspicious to me on the offloop.net graphs at least | 18:59 |
ubLIX | l0ndoner: oh damn you and your zero instead of an o | 19:00 |
LjL | that's not the shape of a flattening curve | 19:00 |
ubLIX | l0ndoner: have you seen this yet: https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1252515415873466368 | 19:00 |
LjL | that's a curve... with something that suddenly changed | 19:00 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Local governments left out of next relief package, lockdowns cut air pollution → https://is.gd/I2ArT9 | 19:00 |
l0ndoner | look at Singapore | 19:00 |
l0ndoner | hadnt seen that ubLIX | 19:01 |
l0ndoner | intresting | 19:01 |
ubLIX | yep LjL. that 'curve' looks odd | 19:02 |
l0ndoner | so their now reporting all deaths in hospital and in community.. I.E Nursing homes? | 19:03 |
ubLIX | ONS does, not the daily government figures; takes ONS longer to put the number together | 19:03 |
ubLIX | *numbers | 19:03 |
LjL | and then ONS reports also deaths that were not necessarily preceded by a positive PCR? | 19:04 |
LjL | also, some of the Covidly graphs are just... bad :\ | 19:04 |
LjL | look at deaths in Singapore | 19:04 |
LjL | that's not what it should look like, and i'm seeing many of these | 19:04 |
ubLIX | LjL: ONS: "There is a difference in the numbers because we include all deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, even if only suspected, and we include deaths that happened in hospital and the community." | 19:05 |
LjL | the test numbers are also similarly bad, but at least, that's a figure other sites often just don't have | 19:05 |
l0ndoner | LjL: the UK figures today take us back to April 8th..... Hows Italy doing I hear you are definitely out of the woods? | 19:05 |
LjL | ubLIX, okay, so keep in mind when comparing with Italy for example, that our numbers do include, potentially, people who died at home or in nursing home, but DO NOT include anyone who had not tested positive, so in practice, whether they are more inclusive than the not-very-inclusive British numbers remains to be seen. they may only be marginally so | 19:06 |
LjL | l0ndoner, definitely? no, i wouldn't say that. ICU admissions are going down, hospital admissions are going down, but there is no obvious flattening of the case curve, and the deaths curve was actually going up again yesterday. the fact that "active cases" are going down could honestly just be an exercise is tweaking the numbers. | 19:07 |
l0ndoner | ubLIX: whats the weather like where you are.... Here has just been glorious ever since they banned all flights | 19:07 |
LjL | when i see Korea, i see a definite flattening | 19:07 |
LjL | that's not what i see in Italy, but it's what i'd like to see | 19:07 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/vupIDv | 19:07 |
LjL | and then if you focus on Lombardy, all of this is the same but worse | 19:08 |
l0ndoner | Taiwan still batting it out of the park? | 19:08 |
ubLIX | l0ndoner: changeable; not too bad; blazing sunshine all day today, though | 19:08 |
l0ndoner | UK reporting great numbers from Italy maybe its wishful thinking | 19:09 |
LjL | i'd say we were "promised" a flattening of the curve a LONG while ago and it's still not happening. so saying that things are going good seems like a definite stretch, one that politicians are sure to make, but a stretch nonetheless | 19:09 |
LjL | Covily says in the FAQ "Data is gathered from multiple sources. There are often inconsistencies across various data sources, so data is merged to the best of my abilities. " | 19:12 |
LjL | and it's an admirable effort considering also all the sub-national data | 19:12 |
LjL | but the graphs are quite bad right now in many cases | 19:12 |
LjL | i can't figure out whether my bot is failing to send up updates when it should, or it's just not doing it because Covidly sends out updates just once a day at best | 19:12 |
LjL | and there's just a lot of things that don't change for several days, then jump up | 19:12 |
LjL | also it says it uses, among other things, JHU and Worldometer | 19:13 |
LjL | but look at JHU's caption these days | 19:13 |
LjL | "Data sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports." | 19:13 |
LjL | this is starting to be like every source using every other source as upstream data | 19:14 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:10 UTC: Martin Shkreli seeks compassionate release from prison to work on coronavirus treatment: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE | 19:15 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:19 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Maggie Haberman su Twitter: "Blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients, doctors say - The Washington Post https://t.co/VZvOtEoGlV" → https://is.gd/cdi08s | 19:22 |
python476 | o/ | 19:26 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:24 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Helen Branswell su Twitter: "Study from Italy reports that 64% surveyed patients (n=202) reported having an altered sense of smell &/or taste while sick with #Covid19. Appears it can happen before other symptoms, during, or after. https://t.co/1TYFg5hqWq" → https://is.gd/bQpcFC | 19:29 |
LjL | which could be scarily neurological, although it also may not... | 19:30 |
LjL | but smell AND taste, people confuse it, but at this point it seems rather confirmed it's both | 19:30 |
LjL | what's the non-neurological explanation | 19:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: Martin Shkreli seeks compassionate release from prison to work on coronavirus treatment: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE | 19:36 |
LjL | sure | 19:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:41 UTC: (news): World Health Organization warns: Coronavirus remains 'extremely dangerous' and 'will be with us for a long time' → https://is.gd/Jccv1Y | 19:44 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Coronavirus lingered in a woman's eyes long after it cleared from her nose, the virus found in her eyes appeared to be viable and continuously replicating after 27 days. (10014 votes) | https://redd.it/g5r48z | 19:48 |
LjL | i find this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/ (which is what Brainstorm posted from r/worldnews as Twitter) extremely unsettling | 19:50 |
LjL | ubLIX, ↑ | 19:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:48 UTC: Martin Shkreli seeks compassionate release from prison to work on coronavirus treatment: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE | 19:51 |
ubLIX | Aaaaah paywall | 19:52 |
LjL | oh | 19:52 |
LjL | but i didn't get it | 19:52 |
LjL | and i disabled the extension even! | 19:52 |
ubLIX | hm, i've never been able to read WP pages for some reason | 19:52 |
LjL | ubLIX, saved https://web.archive.org/web/20200422175348/https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/ if it helps | 19:54 |
LjL | i wonder why wayback machine no longer automatically offers to save a page when it doesn't have it archived | 19:54 |
LjL | i think it used to | 19:54 |
LjL | instead you have to go back and find the not-so-immediately-visible place where you can save a page | 19:54 |
LjL | and now even the archive-saved page complains i block ads | 19:55 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:53 UTC: Coronavirus: Martin Shkreli requests release from rest of prison sentence to work on Covid-19 treatment, avoid infection: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE | 19:58 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:01 UTC: Coronavirus: Martin Shkreli seeks early prison release to work on Covid-19 treatment, avoid infection: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE | 20:05 |
IndoAnon | hmm... i guess the curve is really hard to be flattened | 20:08 |
IndoAnon | it's hard to break habit(muscle memory) man... | 20:09 |
ubLIX | ironic that being locked up indoors will drive cardiovascular health (reserve) in the opposite of the desired direction | 20:09 |
IndoAnon | time to broadcast radio calisthenics XDDDDDD | 20:12 |
ubLIX | absolutely! | 20:12 |
ubLIX | but don't wait for the broadcast, get pogo-ing in your living room today | 20:13 |
LjL | ubLIX, well good thing we'll soon be in "phase 2" learning to "live with this virus" while also going outside | 20:14 |
IndoAnon | instead of stupid concert and singing, broadcasting sexy muscle and ideal bodies will be much better | 20:14 |
LjL | i'm sure that will make everything better | 20:14 |
LjL | i'm being sarcastic but i don't know what should be done instead | 20:15 |
IndoAnon | nurse shooting video of them twerking is good ... but, wrong premises though | 20:16 |
LjL | i had very strong opinions on how things needed to be done, and i think i was repeatedly proven right by facts | 20:16 |
LjL | but now i just don't know | 20:16 |
IndoAnon | .. | 20:17 |
ubLIX | LjL: tbh, that WP page could be summed up by their closing line, “There’s lots of speculation,” | 20:17 |
ubLIX | but i'm finding this a very interesting aspect to keep an eye on | 20:17 |
LjL | ubLIX, i think it's only speculation because at this point you hear ALL sorts of body systems being involved in this disease and somehow causing some of the deaths | 20:18 |
LjL | not because you don't see things happen, so you speculate | 20:18 |
LjL | but because there's way too much happening, and you have to speculate on how the pieces fit together | 20:18 |
IndoAnon | LjL: well, incompetence does... | 20:18 |
LjL | or... you may prefer not to | 20:18 |
ubLIX | right. but a great deal of work is yet to be done to elucidate mechanisms | 20:19 |
IndoAnon | the problem is, these "small" mistakes snowballed | 20:19 |
mefistofeles | have not been following but do they say in that WP thing why? or say something special about these patients? | 20:19 |
mefistofeles | because many of the chloroquine trials were stopped precisely for similar problems, with cardiac arrest, so maybe these are related to some treatment/trial ? | 20:20 |
LjL | mefistofeles, mostly just that in chats doctors are realizing up to 30% or 40% of their patients have blood clotting issues, and also it's being seeing in autopsies. "why"? *shrug* | 20:20 |
mefistofeles | ok, but that's the comorbility thing, I'd pressume | 20:20 |
LjL | it's a separate thing, but i'm also very uneasy with "reopening" without first have done some investigation on what, if any, lasting damage there is even in "mild" patients who have now "recovered" | 20:20 |
mefistofeles | unless the clotting happened after covid, which I don't think is the case | 20:21 |
LjL | uh | 20:21 |
ubLIX | mefistofeles: it's not obviously comorbidities | 20:21 |
LjL | the article is definitely implying it happens due to covid and they don't know why | 20:21 |
LjL | i guess it could be possible they're all just missing that it was there before | 20:21 |
LjL | but that would be... weird | 20:21 |
mefistofeles | well... also why believen a WP? xD | 20:22 |
mefistofeles | believing* | 20:22 |
LjL | also due to the findings in autopsies, if you can't breathe because your lungs are full of blood clots, that's probably not something you already had when alive and well | 20:22 |
mefistofeles | if they know this is because real doctors have already spoken about this, if this is a real thing, I mean | 20:22 |
LjL | it seems well written for a generalist article | 20:22 |
LjL | they are talking about real doctors saying it | 20:22 |
mefistofeles | source? | 20:22 |
LjL | if they are making it up then i don't know | 20:22 |
mefistofeles | which doctors? | 20:22 |
genera | on the TWiV podcast someone said it is a lot of things but no fibrin they found | 20:22 |
mefistofeles | yeah, I was thinking about the TWIV as well | 20:23 |
LjL | i don't know, as apparently i cannot load the article anymore now without a paywall | 20:23 |
ubLIX | LjL: I didn't like it. The writing, I mean. But they're not making it up. But most of what they collate is not well sourced. | 20:24 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:19 UTC: Coronavirus live news: world has 'a long way to go', warns WHO chief: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN ; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million → https://is.gd/M1wwxK | 20:27 |
ubLIX | given the WP's apparent style of writing, i think i'd rather read attempts to collate the story so far wrt blood and vascular issues in something like https://www.statnews.com/ or https://www.sciencemag.org/tags/coronavirus | 20:30 |
mefistofeles | even the archives (medrxiv or biorxiv) | 20:30 |
mefistofeles | because many of these half-baked news are from preprints that never get properly published | 20:31 |
ubLIX | well, the *rxiv are not great for a quick survey, unless you stumble on a review article; easy to get lost in the weeds | 20:32 |
mefistofeles | remember that china bus study that raised so many alarms in the beginning? that was one that was retracted after many media was already panicking people xD | 20:32 |
LjL | mefistofeles, and yet we are now wearing masks, often by law, and mostly assuming the virus can go a few meters (at least i am, and i know many people will say that yeah, it seems unlikely it wouldn't, at least in closed space with aircon and what have you) | 20:34 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 18:29 UTC: Science: Fox News hosts have measurable effect on COVID cases, study finds → https://is.gd/hFz8aU | 20:35 |
LjL | so that study may have been flawed but really i think it expressed something that already seemed obvious to me, and that i was surprised was being contradicted vehemently by the official lines of "1.8 meters is enough", "masks are counterproductive", etc | 20:35 |
mefistofeles | LjL: exactly, obvious is not good enough | 20:35 |
mefistofeles | and the study actually showed that people wearing masks were infected | 20:36 |
LjL | i have perceived a need to quickly come up with studies, perhaps half-baked studied (like the half-baked masks they measured after baking them), to show things that no one had tried to show before because, before this, they were more or less taken for granted | 20:36 |
mefistofeles | because they got everything wrong xD | 20:36 |
LjL | well i don't think wearing a mask will magically get me *not* infected | 20:36 |
LjL | it will change the probabilities | 20:36 |
LjL | i'd still expect people wearing masks to get infected | 20:36 |
mefistofeles | LjL: exactly | 20:36 |
IndoAnon | if it could reduce the probability, then it matter | 20:37 |
LjL | i find it hard to blame these half-baked studies that scrambled to demonstrate the "obvious", when on the other sites there were entities assuming, and telling people clearly, that the obvious was NOT the null hypothesis, and NEITHER was it a reasonable cautionary principle to adopt | 20:37 |
LjL | of course it matters | 20:37 |
LjL | and now everybody's saying they matters | 20:37 |
LjL | including the politicians that have already forgotten they said it didn't matter a month ago | 20:37 |
LjL | fuck them | 20:37 |
LjL | i'm tired | 20:37 |
IndoAnon | yes, it's tiresome | 20:38 |
mefistofeles | not this again xD | 20:38 |
Arsanerit | I was invited to review a COVID-19-related paper | 20:38 |
Arsanerit | but I was too slow and the invitation was withdrawn | 20:38 |
mefistofeles | I'm not wearing a mask unless they make me, tbh | 20:38 |
IndoAnon | I was hoping that i'll be able to order dried scallop from JP this time of the year... But, it isn't possible, i think :p | 20:39 |
LjL | "not this again" | 20:39 |
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