libera/##covid-19/ Wednesday, 2020-04-22

ArsaneritI never could get the hang of Tuesdays.00:11
pynawish i could argue with any of this bleak hell https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/00:12
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global confirmed cases pass 2.5m but Italy sees first significant fall in infections → https://is.gd/iFGkq300:12
Arsanerit2020/06 ?00:12
Arsaneritthat's in the future00:13
Arsaneritgn00:13
LjL"first significant fall in infections" is artificial imo00:14
LjLit is cases-recoveries-deaths00:14
pynathe future is here, just not evenly distributed00:15
LjLyou have fewer infections if you start counting recoveries that you weren't counting before00:15
LjLwhich is *inderectly* a positive indication, potentially, because recoveries means you're testing some people twice and finding them negative00:15
LjLif you're testing those, it means you have enough excess tests to do that, instead of just testing sick people00:15
LjLindirectly* also00:15
LjLbut i don't think the description of "fall in infections" makes a lot of sense00:16
LjLit's an artificial number minus another artificial number00:16
BirossoAnyone know why Fauci isn't appearing on today's briefing?00:17
yuri[m]It will be interesting to see if other countries see a 5%-ish relapse of people decleared "recovered". That's the figure in South-Korea00:17
pynaprobably not cleared by the political officer today00:18
yuri[m]I'm watching todays breafing, has so far mostly been about the economy. Fauci isn't an economist, he's more of a globalist /eugenics agenda pusher00:18
ubLIXyuri[m]: Fauci is a "eugenics pusher"?00:20
ragerlol, fringer deteted00:20
pynapravda00:27
stinkpotdid you read this yet ublix: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=357513400:33
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:30 UTC: Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City: President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission." → https://is.gd/DkAznd00:34
ubLIXhadn't seen that one, stinkpot. been vacationing in non-covid literature for a spell00:41
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global confirmed cases pass 2.5m but Italy sees first significant fall in infections → https://is.gd/iFGkq300:41
stinkpotwhat do you think about it ublix?00:50
stinkpotare a lot of researchers taking the approach of using the SARS-CoV-2 RBD ?00:50
ubLIXi don't have a wide perspective, stinkpot, i am not a scientist00:52
stinkpotljl make sure this guy doesn't become an admin. no non-scientists allowed00:54
ytlyv8stinky00:55
ytlyv8what your problem00:55
ubLIXfirst day in the channel, ytlyv8?00:56
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ytlyv8yours00:57
ecovno u00:59
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: More than 40 employees lived at their plant for 28 days to make material to protect health care workers (10081 votes) | https://redd.it/g5gytr01:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:53 UTC: (news): White House health advisor says Americans need to prepare for more deaths as coronavirus outbreak moves past peak → https://is.gd/mdwLNC01:03
LjLhi ytlyv801:05
LjLi think stinkpot was only joking01:05
ytlyv8so was i01:05
LjL%title https://time.com/5824644/germany-coronavirus-solar/ not sure how cherry-picked in terms of times to maximize amounts...01:12
BrainstormLjL: From time.com: Germany Produces Record Solar Power as Skies Clear in Lockdown | Time01:12
LjLhttps://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.punto-informatico.it%2Fimmuni-sara-open-source-parola-del-ministero%2F01:30
LjLit was clarified that the Italian tracing app Immuni will be released under an MPL 2.0 "-like" license01:30
LjLalso it remains voluntary but there is some hard to comprehend mulling at the end of the article over some specific passage in something that was said or written that makes the site suspect there may be limitations to access... somewhere, of some kind, if you don't have the app01:31
LjLor, i don't know, perhaps more that you will undergo some compulsory restrictions if you're found to be a contact01:32
LjLsince the former shouldn't be the case as the Privacy Authority said that no goods or services etc shall be conditioned on having the app01:32
LjLbut i think the Privacy Authority had also said something against the latter, so, not sure01:32
LjLthe site has also an opinion piece on why they think the app won't work, as it has generated too much controversy already to reach the 60% adoption "target" (and actually, in the usual press conference, the latest doctor invited said 70% or 80% would be realistically needed)01:34
LjLhttps://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.punto-informatico.it%2Fimmuni-app-non-puo-farcela%2F01:34
PlanckWalkLjL: Australia has a tracing app coming out too.  They're aiming for 40% adoption, which seems bizarrely low, and probably won't get it anyway.01:37
LjLmaybe just unexpectedly realistic01:38
LjLi can't see how any voluntary app would get over 40% installs01:39
LjLtake the people who don't have a smartphone01:39
LjLtake those who have a smartphone that's old enough to lack BLE01:39
LjLtake those who are wary about the privacy implications01:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 23:33 UTC: Trump says coronavirus hospital ship USNS Comfort will leave New York City: President Donald Trump said Tuesday that the USNS Comfort, the hospital ship deployed to provide emergency support for health-care workers battling the coronavirus, will depart its station in New York City to get "ready for its next mission." → https://is.gd/DkAznd01:39
LjLtake those for whom the inertia makes them just not install it01:39
LjL40% seems even optimistic when i consider all the possible reasons for not installing it01:40
PlanckWalkEspecially since ours will not be open source and we'll just have to trust the government that it does what they say.01:40
LjLor... assume it doesn't01:40
PlanckWalkRight01:41
LjLPlanckWalk, which makes me question: what ELSE can be done effectively with 40% adoption, if tracing can't?01:41
PlanckWalkHeh, good question01:41
Coenraadeach 1% in spread reductoin translates to 10 000's of lives... so every bit helps01:41
Coenraadso it'd just be 1 of many interventions to reduce spread01:42
PlanckWalkEh, 1% reduction in spread does hardly anything unless the Reff is between 0.99 and 1.0101:42
PlanckWalkWhich is such a narrow range that it's pretty meaningless anyway, since local conditions and time vary the Reff by more than that01:44
LjLif by "spread" percentage you take the entire population and say 1% of that is 1% of the population, then it's tens of thousands of lives, hundreds even... but that's not what spread is01:45
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:38 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU01:47
ubLIXjeeesus. if the UK lock down had been more severe, we'd perhaps not be vying for worst lockdown-response performance in Europe, but then as far as i know we don't yet have it this bad: https://www.motherjones.com/food/2020/04/these-photos-show-the-staggering-food-bank-lines-across-america/01:49
ubLIX%t01:49
BrainstormubLIX: From www.motherjones.com: These Photos Show the Staggering Food Bank Lines Across America – Mother Jones01:49
ubLIXphotos are a week old; apparently it has worsened since then01:50
LjLubLIX, nice social distancing01:52
LjLalso there is a picture of a "freeway" with... traffic lights?01:53
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 23:51 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Anche all’ospedale di Tortona si sperimenterà l’eparina nella cura del coronavirus → https://is.gd/FbNOjr01:54
ubLIXlooks inner city enough for north America; US have wider roads than us01:55
LjLubLIX, it's just that the caption calls it a freeway. but i guess that can mean many things maybe.01:56
LjLfor us, as i guess for you, it's either a motorway, and then lights are definitely off the table, but also level crossings and other things, or it's just not01:57
ubLIXwe have stretches of motorway (UK'ian for freeway) that don't much diminish in size before being controlled by traffic lights, then quickly turn back into motorway01:57
LjLhmm01:57
ubLIXat some junctions01:57
Toadisattvathat sounds more like what we call a highway01:58
Toadisattvavs a freeway whre there are no lights just exits01:58
mal_44whats the difference between a highway and a freeway?01:59
mal_44we just have motorways here01:59
LjLubLIX, i think in most cases here motorways are tangential to cities... if you *leave* the motorway to get into the city, then you can have a six-lane situation and meet a traffic light, but then it's no longer a motorway *nor* going to be a motorway again. instead, if you are just going tangential to Milan on the A4 for instance (Turin-Milan-Venice, the motorway i'm most familiar with), it gets narrower and you basically don't have emergency lanes as it 01:59
LjLinsinuates into the city's suburbs, but it's still a motorway with all it entails01:59
Toadisattvaa highway is road that is fairly high speed with long segments between stop lights, a freeway has no lights at all is generally higher speed 65-80 mph and just has enterance and exit ramps to get on or off, freeways are "interstates" and cover most of the country02:01
ubLIXi guess, yes, light controls immediately on departure from motorway, on some junctions where you have the option of switching to a different motorway, but where traffic is also being mixed with urban02:01
Toadisattvahighways are usually local to a particular state/city/region02:01
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:55 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU02:01
LjLi don't think freeway = interstate is terminology that's used that way all over the US, though02:01
ubLIXnot according to that caption, anyway02:02
mal_44so highways are like our "A" roads i think02:02
Toadisattvayeah I don't think all freeways are interstates02:02
LjLubLIX, we do have an intermediate kind of thing called a "superstrada" (won't attempt a translation) which i am not really sure the details of... but i *think* it doesn't require hard-separated carriageway, has a lower speed limit (110 at most?), but on the other hand must still have no lights or level crossing so entry and exit is still from ramps02:04
LjLalso they tend to be free as opposed to toll roads, but i think that's just a tendency and ultimately orthogonal02:04
ubLIXif i can survive until restrictions are lifted, would it be tempting fate to explore the idiosyncrasies of Italian roads driving around Naples?02:10
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU02:16
Coenraadhttps://www.thiswebsitewillselfdestruct.com/02:18
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as White House prepares immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK02:37
qkallhmm i'm getting an error with Brainstorm  - going to see if it works in the room02:40
qkall%stats us02:40
BrainstormKeyError: 'entry' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 129, in covid)02:40
ubLIX%cases us02:41
BrainstormKeyError: 'entry' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 129, in covid)02:41
ubLIXheh02:41
ubLIX^ LjL02:41
LjLuh oh02:41
qkallokay cool - not just me :D02:41
LjLon the other hand02:41
LjLit *had* stopped *again* sending updates, and i have repeatedly forgotten over the course of today that i was meant to look at the logs after adding debug prints02:42
LjLthough in this case, the log print itself is causing the error02:42
LjLlooks like variable names aren't to be put within quotation marks in Python02:42
LjL%cases scotland02:43
BrainstormLjL: In Scotland, United Kingdom, there are 8450 cases (0.2% of the population) and 903 deaths (10.7% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 31114 tests were performed (27.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Scotland for time series data.02:43
qkall%stats us02:44
Brainstormqkall: In all areas, US, there are 795733 cases (0.2% of the population) and 42708 deaths (5.4% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 4.0 million tests were performed (19.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.02:44
qkallaye!02:44
ubLIXha, when did Brainstorm learn of the existence of Scotland?02:44
qkallLjL: awesome!02:44
qkallthanks :D02:44
LjLubLIX, when tinwhiskers changed from JHU et al to Covidly02:44
ubLIXgreat. nice to be on the map02:46
ubLIXwell, not this map in particular, but still02:46
LjLtoday, covid, tomorrow, the world02:46
LjLbut i still don't know why it's not sending out updates :(02:47
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:35 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU02:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:54 UTC: See how coronavirus can spread through a population, and how countries flatten the curve: Take charge of this interactive and watch how small changes in isolation or reproduction rates of Covid-19 can affect our battle against it. → https://is.gd/oYtXij03:06
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:08 UTC: US-China relations at a low as 'blame-shifting' sets back war against virus: Ties between the U.S. and China are at their "worst point in living memory," says one academic who says both countries are engaged in a "grand exercise in blame-shifting" over the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/9PeJKm03:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as White House prepares immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK03:21
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Federal documents: more than 300,000 likely to die if restrictions are lifted (10459 votes) | https://redd.it/g5j9xx03:27
BrainstormUpdates for US: +28090 cases (now 823072), +2559 deaths (now 45228) since 15 hours ago — France: +16724 cases (now 157947), +531 deaths (now 20796) since 13 hours ago — New York, US: +5301 cases (now 258361), +493 deaths (now 19104) since 23 hours ago03:38
LjLi hope my bot is bonkers03:40
LjL%cases france03:40
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, France, there are 157947 cases (0.2% of the population) and 20796 deaths (13.2% of cases) as of 5 minutes ago. 463662 tests were performed (34.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data.03:40
LjLoh right, france's data on covidly are all steppy :\03:40
LjLkind of unusable03:41
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 01:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Government facing fresh questions over EU equipment scheme → https://is.gd/43Qd5603:43
LjLjust a few days ago https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy was predicting we'd have topped out at little more than 20000 deaths. but now we're already past 2500003:46
LjLand yet, "our measures are working", to parrot countless government officials03:46
LjLgod save us if they hadn't been working03:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC03:50
izusa will prob be at 1mil at the end of this week :/04:07
Toadisattvawe're #1!04:08
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:00 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU04:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC04:19
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:30 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: Two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU04:41
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 02:47 UTC: CoronavirusGLOBAL: Infectious disease expert: We're only in the second inning of the pandemic → https://is.gd/H5gVAK04:48
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: New York City builds coronavirus strategic medical reserve: ‘We can’t depend on the federal government,’ mayor says (10059 votes) | https://redd.it/g5hkq504:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC05:03
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 03:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Government facing fresh questions over EU equipment scheme → https://is.gd/43Qd5605:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC05:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:19 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus update live: two more deaths reported in NSW as national death toll reaches 74 – latest news → https://is.gd/lR0gtU05:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC05:32
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:34 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK05:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC05:54
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 03:55 UTC: nCoV: Factbox: Countries pondering an easing of coronavirus curbs → https://is.gd/7ZGs2g06:01
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Nurses read names of colleagues who died of COVID-19 in protest outside White House (10079 votes) | https://redd.it/g5ms0006:03
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 04:04 UTC: nCoV: Trump agrees to help New York double coronavirus testing, governor says → https://is.gd/LNqacA06:08
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:05 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU06:16
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC06:37
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:34 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU06:45
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC06:59
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:58 UTC: European markets head for positive open, defying coronavirus and oil price fears: European markets are set to open in positive territory on Wednesday, bucking the trend in global markets where there are widespread concerns over the coronavirus outbreak and a slump in oil prices. → https://is.gd/6rNuiz07:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:09 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU07:21
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:22 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK07:35
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:37 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: Australian government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU07:50
ytlyv8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRfhuRNua_E07:58
tinwhiskers%title07:59
Brainstormtinwhiskers: From www.youtube.com: Make Fabric Face Mask at home | DIY Face Mask No Sewing Machine | Easy Face Mask Pattern - YouTube07:59
tinwhiskersytlyv8++07:59
tinwhiskersI made these ones, which I reckon or more stylish, but they do require hand-sewing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUasSmReIVo08:00
ytlyv8more than one diy on page08:02
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Medical supply company charging $786 for a box of 20 face masks (formerly $42) accused of exploiting coronavirus crisis (10091 votes) | https://redd.it/g5q3ll08:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC08:12
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 06:15 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: [BLOG] Cosa ci dicono i dati ISTAT in più rispetto a quelli della Protezione Civile? → https://is.gd/bxSFpI08:19
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million. Follow the latest updates. → https://is.gd/M1wwxK08:33
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:32 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: Russia and its leader Vladimir Putin are facing an unprecedented challenge as the coronavirus outbreak accelerates in the country, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj08:41
SeanBedlam[m]Although I am not religious I have been so heartbroken as thus dark cloud has been cast over the world I can't help but call out for the end of the world's grief.08:42
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:45 UTC: Australia coronavirus update live: government to buy $100m of fuel for stockpile – latest news: Energy minister Angus Taylor says ‘now is the time to buy fuel’ as Senate committee into government’s response to Covid-19 crisis prepares for first hearing. Follow live → https://is.gd/lR0gtU08:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 30 new cases; White House says Americans need to prepare for more deaths → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC09:02
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt → https://is.gd/M1wwxK09:10
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 07:09 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Why Do We Need Ventilators To Fight Coronavirus ? | COVID 19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/WvvRFW09:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:13 UTC: UK coronavirus live: government's PPE procurement claims unravel: Latest on UK coronavirus crisis as part of a PPE consignment arrives and Keir Starmer quizzes Dominic Raab at PMQs → https://is.gd/kjie1L09:24
ragerNot that recent, but kinda informative: https://youtu.be/NcrMMccACSY09:32
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:31 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj09:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:43 UTC: European markets advance, defying coronavirus and oil price fears: European markets traded in positive territory on Wednesday, bucking the trend in global markets where there are widespread concerns over the coronavirus outbreak and a slump in oil prices. → https://is.gd/6rNuiz09:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:49 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj09:54
EliteGamerHEY09:58
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BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:58 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; New cases in Germany jump by 2,237: China's National Health Commission said there were 30 new confirmed cases as of April 21, and no new deaths were reported for the seventh straight day. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC10:01
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:07 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via → https://is.gd/cyJmzc10:08
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/Aw8xZj10:15
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BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt → https://is.gd/M1wwxK10:37
pwr22Morning all10:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC10:44
explorehey10:56
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:46 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Labour MP says retraction from FCO chief about UK boycotting EU scheme not credible → https://is.gd/kjie1L10:59
pwr22Apparently a lot of people in $work building / supporting the new pop up hospital next door11:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC11:14
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Missouri → https://is.gd/0OgYQ911:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:37 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC11:42
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: California becomes first state to recommend coronavirus tests for some without symptoms (10048 votes) | https://redd.it/g5qp8n11:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine as Trump reveals 60-day immigration halt → https://is.gd/M1wwxK12:04
jmatrix1Hi we're on the road to rocery12:10
jmatrix1recovery12:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:14 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in Singapore top 10,000; new cases in Germany jump by 2,237: Singapore's Ministry of Health said it has preliminarily confirmed another 1,016 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking the country's total to 10,141 since the outbreak. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC12:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India halts antibody tests; Poland's total cases exceed 10,000 → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC12:25
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Labour MP says retraction from FCO chief about UK boycotting EU scheme not credible → https://is.gd/kjie1L12:32
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/Qfpglm12:39
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/jMAQ8k12:47
mefistofelesstatlaw[m]: noted12:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:51 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj12:54
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:56 UTC: Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks: Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible when the coronavirus hit, now, it says its strategy appears to be working. → https://is.gd/7MpgOY13:08
Mikaela%cases Sweden13:14
BrainstormMikaela: In all areas, Sweden, there are 15322 cases (0.1% of the population) and 1765 deaths (11.5% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 94600 tests were performed (16.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data.13:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:11 UTC: (news): Delta posts first-quarter pretax loss of $607 million as coronavirus hurts travel demand → https://is.gd/zg1VLI13:15
mefistofeleshttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coronavirus-updates.html#link-1048d36713:20
mefistofelesinteresting... "...revealed that two people who died in their homes in early February were infected with the coronavirus — weeks before the first officially recorded death in Seattle...."13:21
mefistofelesand probably infected by community13:21
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mondo → https://is.gd/G6EXCi13:22
peterx[m]%cases China13:23
Brainstormpeterx[m]: In all areas, China, there are 84463 cases (0.0% of the population) and 4634 deaths (5.5% of cases) as of 3 minutes ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 5.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data.13:23
Biep[m]<MinceR "maybe the people who fawn over b"> Neither - it is just a hoax, and a form of hate mongering.13:24
Biep[m]<tinwhiskers "Of you've been to Africa you nee"> This normally happens when you come *from* a Yellow Fever country.  When I go to Burkina Faso, it depends on where I make my stop-over whether I need my YF vaccine.13:28
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Earth Day → https://is.gd/2XIUGn13:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:33 UTC: (news): Delta books first-quarter loss after burning $100 million in cash a day during coronavirus travel slump → https://is.gd/zg1VLI13:37
ubLIXhttps://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/First-known-U-S-coronavirus-death-occurred-on-15217316.php13:42
ubLIX%t13:42
BrainstormubLIX: From www.sfchronicle.com: First known U.S. coronavirus death occurred on Feb. 6 in Santa Clara County - SFChronicle.com13:42
ubLIX"Santa Clara County on Tuesday announced three previously unidentified deaths from the coronavirus"13:42
ubLIX“What it means is we had coronavirus circulating in the community much earlier than we had documented and much earlier than we had thought,”13:42
ubLIX"People typically die of COVID-19 about a month after they are infected with the coronavirus, suggesting that the person who died Feb. 6 likely was infected in early January."13:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:46 UTC: Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks: Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible when the coronavirus hit, now, it says its strategy appears to be working. → https://is.gd/7MpgOY13:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:51 UTC: India halts coronavirus antibody tests; Poland's total cases exceed 10,000: India has ordered a pause in testing for antibodies to the coronavirus because of concerns over the accuracy of the results. → https://is.gd/sKn1ZC13:58
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine; first case seen in Palestinian refugees in Lebanon → https://is.gd/M1wwxK14:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT914:12
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine; first case seen in Palestinian refugees in Lebanon → https://is.gd/M1wwxK14:19
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/KYSPpU14:26
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:31 UTC: Coronavirus is a 'challenge' for Putin and 'huge danger' for the world, Kremlin warns: The coronavirus is a challenge for all countries, including Russia, the Kremlin's spokesman told CNBC, as the number of confirmed cases in the country accelerates. → https://is.gd/vcDrZj14:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT914:48
ubLXhttps://www.ft.com/content/a13c4ac8-82eb-11ea-b872-8db45d5f671414:59
ubLX"Wanted: a civilian army of contact tracers to end the lockdown"14:59
ubLXanyone got a subscription to the FT?14:59
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Coronavirus deaths in the US top 45,000, doubling in a week (10210 votes) | https://redd.it/g5sr2y14:59
jiffeso there have been a few vaccines in trials for 1+ months now, anything looking promising so far?  I haven't heard anything since any of them first went into trials15:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:59 UTC: (news): Delta books first-quarter loss after burning $100 million in cash a day during coronavirus travel slump → https://is.gd/zg1VLI15:02
yuriwhoI'm trying to follow the lead scientist for the US trials at NIAID but you have to apply now to be able to see her tweets. She sounded very confidant that front line hospital workers and first responders would be added to the trial this fall and that the first vaccine would be produced at scale and delivered to the public in the spring. From that I infer the trials are looking good so far in terms of safety and 15:04
yuriwhoantibody responses.15:04
yuriwhobut this is conjecture15:04
yuriwhoand yes, she was getting attacked on twitter as she is a young black female scientist (early 30's) and she also uses a lot of african american vernacular. F'ing people suck.15:06
ecovattacked on twitter? poor thing!15:07
yuriwhothats a disrespectful comment ecov 15:08
jiffeyou're talking about mRNA-1273 ?15:09
yuriwhoya, the Moderna vaccine15:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT915:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:20 UTC: Sweden resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks: Sweden went against the grain by keeping public life as unrestricted as possible when the coronavirus hit. Now, it says its strategy appears to be working. → https://is.gd/7MpgOY15:24
ecov^^^^^ 15:30
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: noto, nessun rischio per l'acqua del rubinetto → https://is.gd/R75WWp15:31
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 13:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN warns of 'biblical' famine; first case seen in Palestinian refugees in Lebanon → https://is.gd/M1wwxK15:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Russia faces huge challenge → https://is.gd/I2ArT915:45
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 13:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Hancock says contact tracing system to be in place 'in matter of weeks' → https://is.gd/kjie1L15:53
ubLXseems to be a scrape of the "Wanted: a civilian army of contact tracers to end the lockdown" FT article: https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/22/wanted-a-civilian-army-of-contact-tracers-to-end-the-lockdown/15:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Delta burning $100 million in cash a day → https://is.gd/I2ArT916:00
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Autopsy: Santa Clara patient died of COVID-19 on Feb. 6 — 23 days before 1st U.S. death declared (10489 votes) | https://redd.it/g5vptf16:11
ecovthe fact that it started in CA, spread to NY, and CA is doing relatively fine makes me less worried about this virus16:12
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 14:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - California → https://is.gd/yOoWk616:21
izecov: idk if that's a safe conclusion to make based on that new info16:22
ecovits not a conclusion, just pushing me more in that direction16:22
izi wouldn't assume that means it started in CA, just that it was in the USA sooner than we previously knew about16:23
ubLXoutbreak size correlates with local breadth of passport possession16:24
ubLXie multiple simultaneous landings16:24
ecovI'm not assuming it started in CA16:25
ecoviz why are you do difficult to talk to16:25
ecov"Its not a safe conclusion..." "I wouldnt assume...."   holy shit fuck off16:25
izlol, you think i'm difficult to talk to?16:26
izirony is too thick for me to say anything else, so i'm just gonna go make breakfast16:26
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 14:21 UTC: Business: Eurozone consumer confidence slumps amid Covid-19 crisis, as oil remains volatile - business live → https://is.gd/nEJ6wN16:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Accuracy of antibody testing questioned, Delta burning $100 million in cash a day → https://is.gd/I2ArT916:36
yuriwhoiz your next ad hom will result in a quiet16:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns lead to shocking drop in air pollution; 3D printers make swabs → https://is.gd/I2ArT916:43
izif you read the scrollback, you'll see i'm the one getting sworn at.. and i have no intention of swearing at anyone or attacking thier person.16:43
yuriwhojust chillax16:43
izsure, i'm making breakfast, ttyl unless you specifically highlight me16:44
yuriwhokk16:44
yuriwhoalso i. z. sa as to not highlight you, I may have misread your statement as an ad hom when it was a philosophical musing ;-) my bad16:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: NYC can't ease coronavirus restrictions until it can run 'hundreds of thousands' of tests a day, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City is currently in a phase of widespread transmission, where officials are unable to trace the origin of most Covid-19 cases and is heavily reliant on social distancing to prevent further [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wojbPj16:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 14:51 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Hancock says contact tracing system in place 'in weeks' as death toll rises by 759 → https://is.gd/kjie1L16:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:06 UTC: Watch live: The World Health Organization holds a press briefing on the coronavirus pandemic: WHO is holding a briefing on the coronavirus pandemic, which has infected more than 2.5 million people worldwide and killed at least 178,845. → https://is.gd/7AYN4A17:11
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:24 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Parigi → https://is.gd/aNquDs17:26
LjLhttps://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-04-22-dn--overall-mortality-has-clearly-increased-in-sweden-with-the-corona-epidemic.r1ExrzYp_8.html  i wonder if the Swedish government is investigating and publishing what they believe are actual COVID-19 deaths17:26
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns lead to shocking drop in air pollution; 3D printers make swabs → https://is.gd/I2ArT917:33
pynaso when the thing started i realized i don't have a thermometer, so if i get a fever idk how bad it is. realized that just when thermometers vanished from everywhere. i got a ovulation thermometer cause you could still get those but it's weird and crappy. then some company i bought a cam from got a hold of a bunch of thermometers so i ordered one, and damn its like the ferrari of thermometing17:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:45 UTC: NYC can't ease coronavirus restrictions until it can run hundreds of thousands of tests a day, Mayor de Blasio says: New York City is still in a phase of widespread transmission, where officials are unable to trace the origin of most Covid-19 cases and is heavily reliant on social distancing, de Blasio said. → https://is.gd/wojbPj17:47
LjLpyna, why's the ovulation thermometer crappy? i was almost buying one, they looked like normal thermometers except with two decimal digits, which if anything would make them a lot more precise (assuming the second digit is meaningful at all)17:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns lead to shocking drop in air pollution; 3D printers make swabs → https://is.gd/I2ArT917:54
pynaLjL: i think just the one i got. expensive for a thermoter and confusing to use and doesn't seem accurate17:57
pynabut maybe i was using it wrong cause it seemed like the instructions were wrong17:58
LjLpyna, press button, put under your armpit or in your mouth, wait about 5 minutes, read?17:59
pynainstructions had something about time and beeping/vibration that never seemed to actually happen18:00
pynanew one looks like jony ive pooped it out and is instant and has lcd display that shines through plastic18:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns bring air pollution drop, disagreements stall EU economic recovery deal → https://is.gd/I2ArT918:02
pynaheckin' fancy i tell you https://ihealthlabs.com/thermometer-pt3/18:04
LjLoh well that's completely a different type, and much more expensive18:06
LjLnormal thermometers (including ovulation ones) are definitely not instant18:06
LjLand in general i'd ignore any beeping or vibration, which tend to happen too early18:06
LjLjust keep them for five minutes or so as you would a mercury thermometer18:07
LjLwhat's important with any "instant" thermometer is that it give you the same (or very similar) number every time if you try it repeatedly18:08
LjLsome of them are very bad at that18:08
LjLwhich makes them very bad at everything18:09
LjLbut given that price, i'd dare hope it's decent18:09
pynayeah i wondered about it so i took my temp like a dozen times with various levels of casual and it was always the same18:15
pynaexpensive but not much more than the basal thermometer18:16
pynafourtet livestreaming rn https://www.nts.live/18:16
JamGobbarpyna: no the good thing to get now18:19
JamGobbaris the oximeter18:19
JamGobbarhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html18:19
JamGobbarit can save your life18:19
JamGobbardetect your lungs turning into swiss cheese before it happens 18:20
pynaah yeah18:21
ubLX%t https://time.com/5824039/singapore-outbreak-migrant-workers/18:23
BrainstormubLX: From time.com: Why Singapore Lost Control of Its Coronavirus Outbreak | Time18:24
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 16:19 UTC: MINISTERO DELLO SVILUPPO ECONOMICO - COMUNICATO: Avvio del procedimento di scioglimento per atto dell'autorita', senzanomina di commissario liquidatore, di  n.  133  societa'  cooperativeaventi sede nelle Regioni Lombardia, Lazio ed Emilia Romagna. (Avvison. 8/2020/SASNL). (20A02151) → https://is.gd/gj6NxC18:24
ubLX"Experts say the surge, which began last week, is due largely to local officials underestimating the vulnerability of the city’s migrant workers" | "An estimated 200,000 migrants workers live in 43 dormitories in Singapore"18:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:28 UTC: (news): Billionaire Mike Bloomberg will help New York develop coronavirus test and trace program, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/GI7MDr18:31
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Lockdowns bring air pollution drop, disagreements stall EU economic recovery deal → https://is.gd/I2ArT918:38
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 16:47 UTC: Aggiornamento 22/04: submitted by /u/maikk_ to r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA → https://is.gd/rVg5Hs18:53
sneepLooks like the number of active cases in Italy is going down18:54
LjLsneep, to me that just means they finally have enough spare tests to actually declare people "recovered"18:56
LjLwhich is a good thing, but only indirectly18:56
ArsaneritGermany wants to go to 3-4 million tests per week18:56
LjLi mean, partly it also means that any people are dying. if you're dead you're no longer an active case.18:56
LjL-any18:56
LjLor rather *many18:57
Arsaneritrecovered, unless there is lasting chronic damage18:57
LjLwell they call that recovered anyway, it doesn't matter in this context, it's not an active case anymore18:57
sneepYikes, what's happening in Singapore18:57
LjLfailure to contain by only employing one method, apparently18:58
l0ndonerUk says peak has patued or curve is going down but they tested 22k and the positives are staying about the same % so I personally think the facts are BS the figures are far higher18:58
l0ndonerplatued*18:58
LjLplateaued*18:58
LjLl0ndoner, have the deaths plateaued?18:59
l0ndonerdeaths are down from the peak18:59
LjLwell apparently they have18:59
LjLbut both the deaths and the cases... look suspicious to me on the offloop.net graphs at least18:59
ubLIXl0ndoner: oh damn you and your zero instead of an o19:00
LjLthat's not the shape of a flattening curve19:00
ubLIXl0ndoner: have you seen this yet: https://twitter.com/ONS/status/125251541587346636819:00
LjLthat's a curve... with something that suddenly changed19:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Local governments left out of next relief package, lockdowns cut air pollution → https://is.gd/I2ArT919:00
l0ndonerlook at Singapore19:00
l0ndonerhadnt seen that ubLIX 19:01
l0ndonerintresting19:01
ubLIXyep LjL. that 'curve' looks odd19:02
l0ndonerso their now reporting all deaths in hospital and in community.. I.E Nursing homes?19:03
ubLIXONS does, not the daily government figures; takes ONS longer to put the number together19:03
ubLIX*numbers19:03
LjLand then ONS reports also deaths that were not necessarily preceded by a positive PCR?19:04
LjLalso, some of the Covidly graphs are just... bad :\19:04
LjLlook at deaths in Singapore19:04
LjLthat's not what it should look like, and i'm seeing many of these19:04
ubLIXLjL: ONS: "There is a difference in the numbers because we include all deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, even if only suspected, and we include deaths that happened in hospital and the community."19:05
LjLthe test numbers are also similarly bad, but at least, that's a figure other sites often just don't have19:05
l0ndonerLjL:  the UK figures today take us back to April 8th..... Hows Italy doing I hear you are definitely out of the woods?19:05
LjLubLIX, okay, so keep in mind when comparing with Italy for example, that our numbers do include, potentially, people who died at home or in nursing home, but DO NOT include anyone who had not tested positive, so in practice, whether they are more inclusive than the not-very-inclusive British numbers remains to be seen. they may only be marginally so19:06
LjLl0ndoner, definitely? no, i wouldn't say that. ICU admissions are going down, hospital admissions are going down, but there is no obvious flattening of the case curve, and the deaths curve was actually going up again yesterday. the fact that "active cases" are going down could honestly just be an exercise is tweaking the numbers.19:07
l0ndonerubLIX: whats the weather like where you are.... Here has just been glorious ever since they banned all flights 19:07
LjLwhen i see Korea, i see a definite flattening19:07
LjLthat's not what i see in Italy, but it's what i'd like to see19:07
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/vupIDv19:07
LjLand then if you focus on Lombardy, all of this is the same but worse19:08
l0ndonerTaiwan still batting it out of the park?19:08
ubLIXl0ndoner: changeable; not too bad; blazing sunshine all day today, though19:08
l0ndonerUK reporting great numbers from Italy maybe its wishful thinking19:09
LjLi'd say we were "promised" a flattening of the curve a LONG while ago and it's still not happening. so saying that things are going good seems like a definite stretch, one that politicians are sure to make, but a stretch nonetheless19:09
LjLCovily says in the FAQ "Data is gathered from multiple sources. There are often inconsistencies across various data sources, so data is merged to the best of my abilities. "19:12
LjLand it's an admirable effort considering also all the sub-national data19:12
LjLbut the graphs are quite bad right now in many cases19:12
LjLi can't figure out whether my bot is failing to send up updates when it should, or it's just not doing it because Covidly sends out updates just once a day at best19:12
LjLand there's just a lot of things that don't change for several days, then jump up19:12
LjLalso it says it uses, among other things, JHU and Worldometer19:13
LjLbut look at JHU's caption these days19:13
LjL"Data sources: WHO, CDC, ECDC, NHC, DXY, 1point3acres, Worldometers.info, BNO, the COVID Tracking Project (testing and hospitalizations), state and national government health departments, and local media reports."19:13
LjLthis is starting to be like every source using every other source as upstream data19:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:10 UTC: Martin Shkreli seeks compassionate release from prison to work on coronavirus treatment: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE19:15
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:19 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Maggie Haberman su Twitter: "Blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients, doctors say - The Washington Post https://t.co/VZvOtEoGlV" → https://is.gd/cdi08s19:22
python476o/19:26
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:24 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Helen Branswell su Twitter: "Study from Italy reports that 64% surveyed patients (n=202) reported having an altered sense of smell &/or taste while sick with #Covid19. Appears it can happen before other symptoms, during, or after. https://t.co/1TYFg5hqWq" → https://is.gd/bQpcFC19:29
LjLwhich could be scarily neurological, although it also may not...19:30
LjLbut smell AND taste, people confuse it, but at this point it seems rather confirmed it's both19:30
LjLwhat's the non-neurological explanation19:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: Martin Shkreli seeks compassionate release from prison to work on coronavirus treatment: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE19:36
LjLsure19:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:41 UTC: (news): World Health Organization warns: Coronavirus remains 'extremely dangerous' and 'will be with us for a long time' → https://is.gd/Jccv1Y19:44
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Coronavirus lingered in a woman's eyes long after it cleared from her nose, the virus found in her eyes appeared to be viable and continuously replicating after 27 days. (10014 votes) | https://redd.it/g5r48z19:48
LjLi find this article https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/ (which is what Brainstorm posted from r/worldnews as Twitter) extremely unsettling19:50
LjLubLIX, ↑19:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:48 UTC: Martin Shkreli seeks compassionate release from prison to work on coronavirus treatment: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE19:51
ubLIXAaaaah paywall19:52
LjLoh19:52
LjLbut i didn't get it19:52
LjLand i disabled the extension even!19:52
ubLIXhm, i've never been able to read WP pages for some reason19:52
LjLubLIX, saved https://web.archive.org/web/20200422175348/https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/ if it helps19:54
LjLi wonder why wayback machine no longer automatically offers to save a page when it doesn't have it archived19:54
LjLi think it used to19:54
LjLinstead you have to go back and find the not-so-immediately-visible place where you can save a page19:54
LjLand now even the archive-saved page complains i block ads19:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:53 UTC: Coronavirus: Martin Shkreli requests release from rest of prison sentence to work on Covid-19 treatment, avoid infection: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE19:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:01 UTC: Coronavirus: Martin Shkreli seeks early prison release to work on Covid-19 treatment, avoid infection: Notorious "pharma bro" Martin Shkreli asked to be released from prison for the remainder of his seven-year criminal sentence for fraud so that he can work on a coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/CtmPkE20:05
IndoAnonhmm... i guess the curve is really hard to be flattened 20:08
IndoAnonit's hard to break habit(muscle memory) man... 20:09
ubLIXironic that being locked up indoors will drive cardiovascular health (reserve) in the opposite of the desired direction20:09
IndoAnontime to broadcast radio calisthenics XDDDDDD20:12
ubLIXabsolutely!20:12
ubLIXbut don't wait for the broadcast, get pogo-ing in your living room today20:13
LjLubLIX, well good thing we'll soon be in "phase 2" learning to "live with this virus" while also going outside20:14
IndoAnoninstead of stupid concert and singing, broadcasting sexy muscle and ideal bodies will be much better20:14
LjLi'm sure that will make everything better20:14
LjLi'm being sarcastic but i don't know what should be done instead20:15
IndoAnonnurse shooting video of them twerking is good ... but, wrong premises though 20:16
LjLi had very strong opinions on how things needed to be done, and i think i was repeatedly proven right by facts20:16
LjLbut now i just don't know20:16
IndoAnon.. 20:17
ubLIXLjL: tbh, that WP page could be summed up by their closing line, “There’s lots of speculation,”20:17
ubLIXbut i'm finding this a very interesting aspect to keep an eye on20:17
LjLubLIX, i think it's only speculation because at this point you hear ALL sorts of body systems being involved in this disease and somehow causing some of the deaths20:18
LjLnot because you don't see things happen, so you speculate20:18
LjLbut because there's way too much happening, and you have to speculate on how the pieces fit together20:18
IndoAnonLjL: well, incompetence does... 20:18
LjLor... you may prefer not to20:18
ubLIXright. but a great deal of work is yet to be done to elucidate mechanisms20:19
IndoAnonthe problem is, these "small" mistakes snowballed 20:19
mefistofeleshave not been following but do they say in that WP thing why? or say something special about these patients?20:19
mefistofelesbecause many of the chloroquine trials were stopped precisely for similar problems, with cardiac arrest, so maybe these are related to some treatment/trial ?20:20
LjLmefistofeles, mostly just that in chats doctors are realizing up to 30% or 40% of their patients have blood clotting issues, and also it's being seeing in autopsies. "why"? *shrug*20:20
mefistofelesok, but that's the comorbility thing, I'd pressume20:20
LjLit's a separate thing, but i'm also very uneasy with "reopening" without first have done some investigation on what, if any, lasting damage there is even in "mild" patients who have now "recovered"20:20
mefistofelesunless the clotting happened after covid, which I don't think is the case20:21
LjLuh20:21
ubLIXmefistofeles: it's not obviously comorbidities20:21
LjLthe article is definitely implying it happens due to covid and they don't know why20:21
LjLi guess it could be possible they're all just missing that it was there before20:21
LjLbut that would be... weird20:21
mefistofeleswell... also why believen a WP? xD20:22
mefistofelesbelieving*20:22
LjLalso due to the findings in autopsies, if you can't breathe because your lungs are full of blood clots, that's probably not something you already had when alive and well20:22
mefistofelesif they know this is because real doctors have already spoken about this, if this is a real thing, I mean20:22
LjLit seems well written for a generalist article20:22
LjLthey are talking about real doctors saying it20:22
mefistofelessource?20:22
LjLif they are making it up then i don't know20:22
mefistofeleswhich doctors?20:22
generaon the TWiV podcast someone said it is a lot of things but no fibrin they found20:22
mefistofelesyeah, I was thinking about the TWIV as well20:23
LjLi don't know, as apparently i cannot load the article anymore now without a paywall20:23
ubLIXLjL: I didn't like it. The writing, I mean. But they're not making it up. But most of what they collate is not well sourced.20:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 18:19 UTC: Coronavirus live news: world has 'a long way to go', warns WHO chief: Trump to halt immigration for 60 days initially; 256m people could starve, says UN ; cases worldwide pass 2.5 million → https://is.gd/M1wwxK20:27
ubLIXgiven the WP's apparent style of writing, i think i'd rather read attempts to collate the story so far wrt blood and vascular issues in something like https://www.statnews.com/ or https://www.sciencemag.org/tags/coronavirus20:30
mefistofeleseven the archives (medrxiv or biorxiv)20:30
mefistofelesbecause many of these half-baked news are from preprints that never get properly published20:31
ubLIXwell, the *rxiv are not great for a quick survey, unless you stumble on a review article; easy to get lost in the weeds20:32
mefistofelesremember that china bus study that raised so many alarms in the beginning? that was one that was retracted after many media was already panicking people xD20:32
LjLmefistofeles, and yet we are now wearing masks, often by law, and mostly assuming the virus can go a few meters (at least i am, and i know many people will say that yeah, it seems unlikely it wouldn't, at least in closed space with aircon and what have you)20:34
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica at 18:29 UTC: Science: Fox News hosts have measurable effect on COVID cases, study finds → https://is.gd/hFz8aU20:35
LjLso that study may have been flawed but really i think it expressed something that already seemed obvious to me, and that i was surprised was being contradicted vehemently by the official lines of "1.8 meters is enough", "masks are counterproductive", etc20:35
mefistofelesLjL: exactly, obvious is not good enough20:35
mefistofelesand the study actually showed that people wearing masks were infected20:36
LjLi have perceived a need to quickly come up with studies, perhaps half-baked studied (like the half-baked masks they measured after baking them), to show things that no one had tried to show before because, before this, they were more or less taken for granted20:36
mefistofelesbecause they got everything wrong xD20:36
LjLwell i don't think wearing a mask will magically get me *not* infected20:36
LjLit will change the probabilities20:36
LjLi'd still expect people wearing masks to get infected20:36
mefistofelesLjL: exactly20:36
IndoAnonif it could reduce the probability, then it matter20:37
LjLi find it hard to blame these half-baked studies that scrambled to demonstrate the "obvious", when on the other sites there were entities assuming, and telling people clearly, that the obvious was NOT the null hypothesis, and NEITHER was it a reasonable cautionary principle to adopt20:37
LjLof course it matters20:37
LjLand now everybody's saying they matters20:37
LjLincluding the politicians that have already forgotten they said it didn't matter a month ago20:37
LjLfuck them20:37
LjLi'm tired20:37
IndoAnonyes, it's tiresome 20:38
mefistofelesnot this again xD20:38
ArsaneritI was invited to review a COVID-19-related paper20:38
Arsaneritbut I was too slow and the invitation was withdrawn20:38
mefistofelesI'm not wearing a mask unless they make me, tbh20:38
IndoAnonI was hoping that i'll be able to order dried scallop from JP this time of the year... But, it isn't possible, i think :p20:39
LjL"not this again"20:39

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