| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 21:54 UTC: Biz & IT: Comcast waives data cap until at least June 30 in response to pandemic → https://is.gd/Cl2wzU | 00:06 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump holds briefing after previously canceling it → https://is.gd/WLqfiF | 00:12 |
| nixonix | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/virologist-christian-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview | 00:14 |
| nixonix | %title | 00:14 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.theguardian.com: Germany's Covid-19 expert: 'For many, I'm the evil guy crippling the economy' | World news | The Guardian | 00:14 |
| nixonix | but other parts were more interesting then economy in that interview | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Key PPE items not in pandemic response stockpile as Covid-19 struck, BBC finds → https://is.gd/4IATDp | 00:26 |
| Niggynoggins | Hey guys | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 22:20 UTC: Coronavirus: Iran: Over 700 dead after drinking alcohol to cure coronavirus → https://is.gd/IXErrg | 00:33 |
| LjL | > Another factor that could impact herd immunity is whether other coronaviruses – those that cause the common cold, for example – offer protection to this one. We don’t know, but it’s possible. | 00:36 |
| LjL | this is something that i am *starting* to hear about | 00:36 |
| LjL | i don't think it was on many people's radar before | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2517 cases (now 1007162), +100 deaths (now 56595) since 2 hours ago — California, US: +902 cases (now 44844) since 2 hours ago — Colorado, US: +438 cases (now 13879) since a day ago | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:36 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed cases of Covid-19 pass 3m worldwide: Iran reports 96 more deaths; Spain’s death toll shows slight rise; Germany calls for ‘very careful’ easing of lockdown; New Zealand says ‘worst is over’ → https://is.gd/JAjIWs | 00:40 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=300477&WT.mc_id=USNSF_1 nice | 00:46 |
| mefistofeles | I know them :P | 00:47 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: there have been cases of patients being infected by two different coronavirus, I heard/read | 00:48 |
| LjL | oh well, then maybe in a narrower scope, we can hope that if we get COVID then we do not also get SARS | 00:48 |
| LjL | somehow that doesn't sound as comforting, though | 00:49 |
| LjL | %title https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/us/coronavirus-social-distancing-lockdown.html | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nytimes.com: ‘Quarantine Fatigue’ Has More People Going Outside - The New York Times | 00:50 |
| LjL | i wonder if Google mobility data will visibly confirm this | 00:50 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: it should but, what mobility data? | 00:54 |
| LjL | this https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/ next time it gets updated | 00:55 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: hmm, maybe, though they only have some specific places | 00:56 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: in Germany they noted that people are going out to the mountains more, as well | 00:56 |
| mefistofeles | I'm one of those, for sure | 00:57 |
| mefistofeles | hmm, not sure why I remember that with "mountains", now that I think about it... but probably just outdoor activities in general | 00:58 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: +49% to parks in Germany from that report | 00:59 |
| LjL | Italy doesn't have much, very subtle increases if anything (didn't look at individual regions though) | 01:00 |
| LjL | but also your graphs look entirely different from italy's | 01:00 |
| LjL | entirely different type of lockdown i guess | 01:00 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: indeed, there was never a lockdown here, tbh | 01:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:49 UTC: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions as Bondi reopens for swimming – live news: Swimming and surfing allowed from 7am-5pm but beach itself remains closed given the area boasts the highest number of Covid-19 cases in Australia. Follow live → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 01:01 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: of course they all seem to show the increase in Grocery & Pharmacy right before the mitigation measures | 01:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: U.S. Passes 1 million COVID Cases (10828 votes) | https://redd.it/g973ej | 01:10 |
| ap4lmtree | https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/health/famotidine-coronavirus-northwell-trial/index.html | 01:13 |
| ap4lmtree | New York hospitals are studying a common heartburn drug as treatment for Covid-19 | 01:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:05 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed cases of Covid-19 pass 3m worldwide: Iran reports 96 more deaths; Spain’s death toll shows slight rise; Germany calls for ‘very careful’ easing of lockdown; New Zealand says ‘worst is over’ → https://is.gd/JAjIWs | 01:16 |
| Jigsy | Whoops. | 01:16 |
| Jigsy | Forgot to rejoin this channel. | 01:16 |
| Jigsy | Days ago. | 01:16 |
| LjL | ap4lmtree, lol, encouraging: ""We don't know if it has any benefit. We really don't. I swear we don't," he said. "People are hoping for anything. But we need to do this clinical trial." " | 01:17 |
| LjL | Jigsy, it's okay nothing changed, virus still there | 01:17 |
| Jigsy | :< | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:28 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions to allow two adults to visit a household – live news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 23:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus doctor's diary: 'We aren't diagnosing many cancers now' → https://is.gd/UXNQ5a | 01:51 |
| Artysto | @Brainstorm that article mentions keyhole surgeries have been stopped as they may be unsafe when compared to open surgeries, any idea why? | 01:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:53 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions to allow two adults to visit a household – live news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 01:58 |
| LjL | no idea, but also Brainstorm is a bot | 01:58 |
| LjL | it does feel sad to think of all the people, like... who have a possible pending diagnosis of cancer or other bad things | 01:59 |
| LjL | it's bad enough to wait for weeks (sometimes months thanks to fast healthcare systems) | 01:59 |
| LjL | now they have to wait indefinitely | 01:59 |
| Artysto | @LjL just saw that Brainstorm is a bot, lol | 02:00 |
| Artysto | Yeah waiting for medical procedures has got to be one of the most excruciating thing to wait for | 02:01 |
| neo_ | hi | 02:04 |
| neo_ | whats up guys? | 02:04 |
| LjL | the curve | 02:04 |
| Artysto | Haha | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:02 UTC: (news): American Airlines will give face masks to passengers, require them for flight attendants amid coronavirus → https://is.gd/PKwNlj | 02:05 |
| neo_ | oh man, i can't hear anymore :DDD | 02:05 |
| neo_ | i would say we should just ignore covid 19 and look how fare we come | 02:06 |
| neo_ | how do you kill the time? | 02:07 |
| LjL | by telling people here that'd be a bad idea | 02:07 |
| neo_ | im realy so board | 02:07 |
| neo_ | :D | 02:07 |
| Artysto | By trying out old tech like IRC | 02:07 |
| Artysto | How old are you guy? And since when have you been using IRC? | 02:08 |
| neo_ | exactly that was my idea :D | 02:08 |
| neo_ | the last time i used irc its years agou | 02:08 |
| neo_ | ago | 02:08 |
| neo_ | im 36 | 02:09 |
| LjL | i'm old enough to have used IRC in 1997, and probably older | 02:09 |
| neo_ | idk, but in the 2000... the internet have been way more fun | 02:09 |
| Artysto | Internet back then was young (so was I) maybe that unfamiliarity was what made it fun? | 02:10 |
| Artysto | I remember being hooked on to whatsapp when it released. My friends and I would spend hours talking about rubbish just to use the new shiny app | 02:11 |
| LjL | ew | 02:11 |
| Artysto | Now I barely use it at all | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:04 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions to allow two adults to visit a household – live news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 02:12 |
| Artysto | @LjL I was a teenager then and also had friends that was bound to happen seeing as there was not much else techy accessible to us | 02:13 |
| Artysto | Are you guys software developers/hobbyists too? | 02:14 |
| LjL | i am a free software enthusiast mainly. i can write some code. | 02:14 |
| Artysto | So thats not your livelihood. What do you do to earn a living? | 02:16 |
| Artysto | I got into software development fairly recently | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:12 UTC: (news): American Airlines will give face masks to passengers, require them for flight attendants amid coronavirus → https://is.gd/PKwNlj | 02:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2097 cases (now 1009259), +178 deaths (now 56773) since 2 hours ago — New York, US: +780 cases (now 298004) since 5 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +330 cases (now 3358) since 16 hours ago | 02:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 00:22 UTC: Coronavirus: New research model predicts second COVID-19 wave in Georgia → https://is.gd/xhSb5A | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:40 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions to allow two adults to visit a household – live news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:49 UTC: (news): Boeing workers to return to Dreamliner factory in South Carolina next month after closure amid coronavirus → https://is.gd/7yoXKl | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions to allow two adults to visit a household – live news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 03:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:11 UTC: (news): JetBlue will require passengers to wear masks, other airlines will provide them for travelers amid coronavirus → https://is.gd/PKwNlj | 03:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:25 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump says China could have stopped virus as global cases pass 3 million: President says US is doing serious investigation into Beijing’s actions; New Zealand eases restrictions; pressure grows to ease lockdowns in Europe. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/81Mvkm | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:32 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3 million, Japan unemployment rate rises: Japan has more than 13,400 cases of infection and a national emergency is in place until May 6 for seven regions including Tokyo and Osaka. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 03:36 |
| Spec | %data croatia | 04:00 |
| sidetrack | Yeah, Biden raped her. So what? That's what an alpha male does. When there's a pussy around, he fucks it like a boss. He doesn't wait around for permission like a low-T cuck. | 04:00 |
| Urchin | thanks | 04:01 |
| LjL | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Coromandel_Hospital_Board.jpg | 04:10 |
| LjL | Spec, points 5, 6, 11, 13 | 04:11 |
| LjL | remind me of things | 04:11 |
| xrogaan | geez | 04:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:35 UTC: (news): JetBlue will require passengers to wear masks, other airlines will provide them for travelers amid coronavirus → https://is.gd/PKwNlj | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 02:36 UTC: Coronavirus: Pastor who believed 'God can cure anything' dies after contracting coronavirus → https://is.gd/OfX8Aj | 04:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:00 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3 million, Japan unemployment rate rises: Japan has more than 13,400 cases of infection and a national emergency is in place until May 6 for seven regions including Tokyo and Osaka. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 03:12 UTC: Coronavirus: UK to hold minute's silence for key workers who died: The PM and NHS leaders will join the tribute to front-line workers who have died with coronavirus. → https://is.gd/GwTXYB | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:24 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Charles Ornstein su Twitter: "N.Y.C. Deaths Reach 6 Times the Normal Level, Far More Than Coronavirus Count Suggests https://t.co/nRx6Lj17i2" → https://is.gd/QtfAKE | 05:31 |
| LjL | sensationalist headline | 05:32 |
| LjL | i mean, technically true | 05:32 |
| LjL | but the number is 16000 officially from coronavirus, and this estimate claims there's 4000 more unaccounted for | 05:32 |
| LjL | but the headline, while not being technically wrong, makes the reader thinks the unaccounted-for deaths are six times the normal | 05:32 |
| friedbat | LjL: the news is broken | 05:32 |
| friedbat | the entire profit model is based on "clicks" so you get this kind of thing | 05:33 |
| LjL | i think headlines have been broken probably since before this model | 05:36 |
| LjL | they are specifically written by someone who is *not* the article's author | 05:36 |
| LjL | i may be wrong but i think that's been the case for an (un)fair amount of time | 05:36 |
| LjL | and it can't not go wrong | 05:36 |
| LjL | but yeah i'm sure "clicks"-mentality doesn't make it any better | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:24 UTC: Can I visit my family or parents? Australia’s coronavirus lockdown rules and restrictions explained: Can you get takeaway coffee with a friend? What about visiting your family or parents? Laws to stop spread of Covid-19 seem to change daily and in some states carry a big fine. Untangle them with our guide → https://is.gd/wSqZG1 | 05:38 |
| LjL | friedbat, also, i got that headline from reddit first (as in, non-live, i saw it before the bot posted it), and the closeest it got to the article's *content* being discussed was something along the lines of "why is it considered okay to post paywalled/mailwalled links?" | 05:40 |
| LjL | so... maybe they are failing at even clicks | 05:40 |
| LjL | since people *won't* click when they have something like reddit that gives them both the headline and something to bicker on | 05:40 |
| LjL | maybe this is why the EU was so keep to make a directive stopping Google News and similar things from "stealing" headlines | 05:41 |
| LjL | so keen* | 05:41 |
| LjL | which is ridiculous, but if the product consists of a headline tricking into clicking an article that doesn't match the headline, then you don't want people to be shown the headline in a way that doesn't lead to clicking | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update latest: NSW to relax restrictions to allow two adults to visit a household – live news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:15 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:30 UTC: Record 50 million people internally displaced in 2019, study finds: Covid-19 is likely to impact aid for people forced from their homes by conflict and disaster around the world, experts warn → https://is.gd/aqBBPp | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:41 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 06:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:44 UTC: Coronavirus live news: New Zealanders return to work as global cases pass 3 million: President Trump renews attack on China over virus, saying US may seek damages; pressure grows to ease lockdowns in Europe. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/81Mvkm | 06:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 04:45 UTC: Covid2019: Burgum says closed businesses can reopen Friday as COVID-19 cases climb in North Dakota | INFORUM → https://is.gd/oWCLPl | 07:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:00 UTC: BFI: The films that made us: BFI to archive best coronavirus videos → https://is.gd/lDuoYn | 07:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update live: AFP called in over 'fake' Covid-19 app social media posts – latest news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 07:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 80 percent of workers would not feel safe if their state reopened now, survey reveals (10131 votes) | https://redd.it/g9bj2v | 07:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:33 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: New Zealanders return to work as global cases pass 3 million: President Trump renews attack on China over virus, saying US may seek damages; pressure grows to ease lockdowns in Europe. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/81Mvkm | 07:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:59 UTC: The US is not even 'remotely' ready to re-open for business, says outbreak preparedness expert: The U.S. is not even "remotely prepared" to re-open, an expert said on Tuesday as some states are set to lift lockdowns that had been imposed to contain the coronavirus outbreak. → https://is.gd/qZ2v0a | 08:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:11 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 08:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:18 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update live: AFP called in over 'fake' Covid-19 app social media posts – latest news → https://is.gd/TnC2DU | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:42 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:01 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via → https://is.gd/PcnbG4 | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Francia → https://is.gd/4Dqt9i | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/HZv6r1 | 09:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:20 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 09:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: New Zealanders return to work as global cases pass 3 million → https://is.gd/81Mvkm | 09:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Anticorpi → https://is.gd/qOf6sN | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:43 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Medicina → https://is.gd/xgixvJ | 09:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:43 UTC: Coronavirus: UK failed to stockpile crucial PPE: Failures in the preparation for the coronavirus pandemic are revealed by a BBC investigation. → https://is.gd/lf4eew | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: In aggiunta a quel articolo, indico altre zone che hanno mostrato un aumento ripido di decessi nel mondo → https://is.gd/hmYUMS | 09:59 |
| mefistofeles | hello | 10:01 |
| pwr22 | Morning | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +6411 cases (now 93558), +73 deaths (now 867) since a day ago — US: +1248 cases (now 1010507) since 7 hours ago — Brazil: +945 cases (now 67446), +60 deaths (now 4603) since 11 hours ago | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:10 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:17 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Nigeria → https://is.gd/9ZKAAS | 10:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/lwxK8x | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 08:39 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: For those that have had it, did you experience a vivid dream like nothing you have had before.? → https://is.gd/s3teqd | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Intrattenimento → https://is.gd/hbMDDG | 10:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:53 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Cases in Germany jump by 1,144; global cases top 3 million: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live news: over 3,000 Covid-19 related deaths in care homes in a week, ONS figures show → https://is.gd/9mOagh | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:13 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/25noco | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:20 UTC: UK records 4,343 care home coronavirus deaths in a fortnight: Official figures show sharp rise in mortality as operators say outbreak has not yet peaked → https://is.gd/UKybhw | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:30 UTC: Coronavirus: UK to hold minute's silence for key workers who died: The PM and NHS leaders will join the tribute to front-line workers who have died with coronavirus. → https://is.gd/GwTXYB | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/RFxHzU | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:59 UTC: Coronavirus: Care home deaths up as hospital cases fall: Outbreaks in care homes claim over 2,000 lives a week, but true figure may be even higher. → https://is.gd/JcwzH1 | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Turkey sends medical equipment to US; German economy to contract by 6.6% → https://is.gd/81Mvkm | 12:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK holds minute's silence for key workers who died → https://is.gd/GwTXYB | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giappone → https://is.gd/YdMC2k | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +2706 cases (now 232128), +301 deaths (now 23822) since 20 hours ago — Belarus: +919 cases (now 12208) since 20 hours ago — Belgium: +647 cases (now 47334), +124 deaths (now 7331) since 20 hours ago | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/71aUjz | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:49 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death toll falls; Sweden's central bank holds firm on rates: Germany reported another 1,144 cases of the coronavirus disease, taking its total tally to 156,337, according to the latest data by Robert Koch Institute. → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Olimpiadi → https://is.gd/zgsfJI | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:07 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/Eu23G5 | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa per pranzo → https://is.gd/usKdrK | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death toll falls; Germany's virus reproduction rate rises → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 13:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:25 UTC: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe: Vilnius gives public space to bars and cafes to allow physical distancing during lockdown → https://is.gd/oOUM3K | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:29 UTC: Pfizer beats first-quarter earnings estimates in race to develop coronavirus vaccine: It estimates it can potentially produce "millions" of coronavirus vaccine doses by the end of this year and "hundreds of millions of doses" in 2021 if the vaccine is successful. → https://is.gd/C1di8j | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:39 UTC: Pfizer's quarterly sales fall 8% as it races to develop coronavirus vaccine: It estimates it can potentially produce "millions" of coronavirus vaccine doses by the end of this year and "hundreds of millions of doses" in 2021 if the vaccine is successful. → https://is.gd/C1di8j | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:47 UTC: (news): Spain's daily coronavirus death toll falls; Germany's reproduction rate rises → https://is.gd/92VAO5 | 13:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 11:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK holds minute's silence for key workers who died → https://is.gd/GwTXYB | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:00 UTC: Pfizer's quarterly sales fall 8% as it races to develop coronavirus vaccine: It estimates it can potentially produce "millions" of coronavirus vaccine doses by the end of this year and "hundreds of millions of doses" in 2021 if the vaccine is successful. → https://is.gd/C1di8j | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/3DKcSI | 14:12 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 2 Chainz Delays Reopening of Atlanta Restaurants, Feeds the Homeless Instead (10020 votes) | https://redd.it/g98luk | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:16 UTC: (news): JetBlue will require passengers to wear masks, other airlines will provide them for travelers amid coronavirus → https://is.gd/PKwNlj | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stay-at-home stocking up boosts earnings, US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 14:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Scottish government suggests covering face in shops → https://is.gd/kXuY8Z | 14:34 |
| ubLXI | %title https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/04/no-alternative-to-sustainable-agriculture-how-community-supported-farms-show-the-way-to-food-security-in-an-uncertain-world.html | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | ubLXI: From www.nakedcapitalism.com: No Alternative to Sustainable Agriculture: How Community-Supported Farms Show the Way to Food Security in an Uncertain World | naked capitalism | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - New York → https://is.gd/gsPvlm | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stay-at-home stocking up boosts earnings, US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Economia → https://is.gd/JDq1Cy | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 13:08 UTC: Coronavirus: Care home deaths up as hospital cases fall: Outbreaks in care homes claiming 2,000 lives a week, but hospital fatalities are going down. → https://is.gd/JcwzH1 | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/L0RodU | 15:23 |
| livebrain | %data portugal | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | livebrain: In all areas, Portugal, there are 24322 total cases (0.2% of the population) and 948 deaths (3.9% of cases) as of 18 minutes ago. 232480 tests were performed (10.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Portugal for time series data. | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/3mGLPN | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:30 UTC: Scotland: Sturgeon urges Scots to wear coronavirus face masks for shopping and travel → https://is.gd/DqLAGn | 15:37 |
| pwr22 | Looks like the channel's just Brainstorm talking to itself all day 😁 | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stay-at-home stocking up boosts earnings, US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/KGIoD1 | 15:51 |
| LjL | pwr22, been suggested it's because too many people were banned. but if the alternative to Brainstorm talking to itself is people spouting bollocks then i'm not sure i prefer that. also, i think just as there is "quarantine fatigue", the same applies here... people are kinda tired to think and talk about it | 15:53 |
| LjL | i know i am to an extent | 15:53 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, I'm quite the lurker most of the time here now | 15:54 |
| ubLXI | i think it's the chilling effect of the irc-side channel count hovering around 666 | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: JetBlue will require passengers wear masks, US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Tecnologia → https://is.gd/ilkNlp | 16:05 |
| ubLXI | discussion of 'momentum' carrying infections well beyond threshold for herd immunity, as argument against pre-vaccine herd-immunity: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1251999295231819778 | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus could be causing new inflammatory condition in children, UK health officials warn → https://is.gd/iBv2ok | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: JetBlue will require passengers wear masks, US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 16:19 |
| ubLXI | not a bad read; couple of odd notes: | 16:23 |
| ubLXI | %title https://markmanson.net/nobody-knows-what-is-going-on | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | ubLXI, the URL could not be loaded | 16:24 |
| ubLXI | :| | 16:24 |
| LjL | %title https://markmanson.net/nobody-knows-what-is-going-on | 16:24 |
| LjL | %title https://markmanson.net/nobody-knows-what-is-going-on | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the URL could not be loaded | 16:24 |
| LjL | i'm going to do it | 16:24 |
| LjL | fake my useragent and see what happens | 16:24 |
| LjL | oh looks like i cannot without changing it for *everything* that Brainstorm does | 16:25 |
| mefistofeles | ubLXI: interesting read, but a bit biased (not sure if on purpose). For example showing how the NYT investigation is "widely challenged" while citing one of the most challenged antibody tests with that Stanford study | 16:28 |
| ubLXI | did you read the following sentence? | 16:33 |
| ubLXI | "The problem is ..." | 16:33 |
| ubLXI | "<mefistofeles>ubLXI: ... (not sure if on purpose)" - what do you imagine my purpose could possibly be here? | 16:35 |
| ubLXI | "<ubLXI>... couple of odd notes:" - ie, take it as you will | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 14:37 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Virus Lockdowns, Reopenings: Here's the Situation With All 50 States → https://is.gd/FkJfSL | 16:39 |
| mefistofeles | ubLXI: I'm not saying *you*, but the author... haha relax man | 16:40 |
| mefistofeles | unless you ar the author? | 16:40 |
| mefistofeles | *are | 16:40 |
| ubLXI | i am not | 16:41 |
| mefistofeles | and yes, many things are changing by the minute and are contradicting themselves, etc. | 16:43 |
| mefistofeles | turns out, that's the state of the art, Derek puts it in better words here https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/24/the-order-of-battle | 16:43 |
| mefistofeles | it's a difficult thing | 16:44 |
| mefistofeles | and has always been, if anything it's better now than before | 16:44 |
| mefistofeles | and here https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/27/anti-il-6-for-coronavirus-patients-does-it-work-or-not | 16:45 |
| JamGobbar | https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/leader-of-north-carolina-anti-lockdown-protest-gets-covid-19/ | 16:45 |
| JamGobbar | shocker | 16:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus could be causing new inflammatory condition in children, UK health officials warn → https://is.gd/iBv2ok | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: JetBlue will require passengers to wear masks, other airlines will provide them for travelers: American Airlines will require flight attendants wear face masks and will provide passengers with them because of concerns about coronavirus. → https://is.gd/PKwNlj | 16:53 |
| mefistofeles | ubLXI: the heart is in the right place for that post, but I don't know if the author is purposedly pointing exclusively at the contradicting things and making it sound more dramatic than it alreadyis (which you get for everything in science and politics, not just for covid), because he never points out how many things do follow a pattern and do not contradict themselves. But it's a nice read, | 16:58 |
| mefistofeles | overall. Thanks for sharing. | 16:58 |
| mefistofeles | irreproducibility in science is a real issue nowadays, and even more so in medical sciences | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:57 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/9rU4RO | 17:00 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: South Australia has reached 6 days straight with zero new cases, now down to only 14 active cases. (10256 votes) | https://redd.it/g9i0qt | 17:01 |
| mefistofeles | ↑ heck of a job | 17:02 |
| ubLXI | mefistofeles: i hadn't encountered the author before and didn't look further into him, but assumed he is a lay person, and thought as such the article was a good effort | 17:03 |
| ubLXI | the "The Order of Battle" one looks like a good read, have bookmarked and will come back to it shortly | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2621 cases (now 1013128), +234 deaths (now 57037) since 7 hours ago — Saudi Arabia: +1266 cases (now 20077) since a day ago — Iran: +1112 cases (now 92584), +71 deaths (now 5877) since a day ago | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Punti Principali → https://is.gd/K95ghC | 17:07 |
| aradesh | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeIbeIQbkk | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | %t | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.youtube.com: Matt Hancock "very worried" about new coronavirus condition that affects children | LBC - YouTube | 17:11 |
| aradesh | i hope it's not a new strain | 17:12 |
| aradesh | sounds like they don't really understand what's going on yet | 17:12 |
| mefistofeles | aradesh: it's not afecting that many, so I don't think it's a new strain in that sense | 17:14 |
| mefistofeles | but yeah, sounds worrysome | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: JetBlue will require passengers to wear masks, US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 17:15 |
| aradesh | i can't imagine many people silly enough to be taking flights would be not wearing masks | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conte → https://is.gd/dZ3Qrp | 17:22 |
| oxalis | Jetflu airlines | 17:26 |
| Blankspace | Was there lockdown when polio outbreeak occurred | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus could be causing new inflammatory condition in children, UK health officials warn → https://is.gd/iBv2ok | 17:36 |
| mefistofeles | Blankspace: I don't think so, polio doesn't spread that easily, afaic | 17:37 |
| mefistofeles | s | 17:37 |
| Blankspace | New Zealand claimed elimination | 17:38 |
| mefistofeles | Blankspace: of covid? | 17:39 |
| Blankspace | Yes only one new case and 4 probable case | 17:39 |
| mefistofeles | nice | 17:39 |
| Blankspace | Till when vaccination will be available | 17:40 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it's not known if a vaccine will ever be available. | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | german corona tracing app now to be developed by Telekom and SAP - OMG! | 17:40 |
| mefistofeles | yes, now they have to fight imported cases and new silent spreads | 17:40 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: ha! who were in charge before? | 17:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Blankspace: we don't really claim elimination in NZ yet. We need it to be 0 cases. | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:37 UTC: (news): European stocks close higher with earnings and lockdown easing in focus; Wirecard down 25% → https://is.gd/iQM04g | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, well they switched from centralized storage (which can't work, as France and others now start to learn) to the Google+Apple decentralized approach. I think there was some "shady" company that was supposed to develop that solution | 17:43 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: 0 active cases, I guess, right? | 17:43 |
| mefistofeles | there are plenty of active cases still in New Zealand | 17:44 |
| tinwhiskers | 0 cases for 4 weeks ideally. Jacinda is getting slightly ahead of herself, imo | 17:44 |
| tinwhiskers | New cases, that is | 17:44 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | given our limited ability to detect new cases, it's not clear how they can come to that conclusion. | 17:46 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | no new detections != no new cases. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI claims R_eff=1... :-( from a 0.7 a few days ago | 17:46 |
| tinwhiskers | That means no patients showing up with symptoms for 4 weeks too since they are tested | 17:47 |
| JamGobbar | https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/us/er-doctor-coronavirus-help-death-by-suicide-trnd/index.html | 17:47 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: ah bummer | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 17:48 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: but it'sbeen that way for weeks now | 17:48 |
| mefistofeles | like fluctuationg below 1 | 17:48 |
| mefistofeles | fluctuating* | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it been at 0.7 | 17:49 |
| mefistofeles | yes, but the data is noisy | 17:49 |
| mefistofeles | and I guess the testing capabilities have been going up while the spread has not | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still don't buy those RKI R_eff estimations, they seem to be quite random | 17:49 |
| mefistofeles | so a bigger ratio of cases are maybe being detected now that couldn't be detected before | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err noisy, yeah | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Oggi non c'è la conferenza stampa della protezione civile → https://is.gd/Jebgcs | 17:50 |
| mefistofeles | yes, it's noisy, it has too many variables | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI uses "nowcast" to pimp their numbers. That's ... well, let me put it this way: I don't like it | 17:51 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: what's that? | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they infer the more recent numbers from the error in past numbers | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which means it emphasizes changes of trends a lot | 17:52 |
| mefistofeles | hmm ok | 17:52 |
| mefistofeles | though that's a standard practice in statistical modelling | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is, but it's not very reliable it seems | 17:53 |
| mefistofeles | such as in boosting | 17:54 |
| tinwhiskers | NoImNotNineVolt: you've got to consider also that when you're down to numbers of cases you can count on one hand that the testing ability is vastly higher than the potential cases so all contacts and anything vaguely resembling symptoms can be tested. The testing is far more effective at detecting cases in that situation than when they are being used sparingly and on a highly restricted manner. | 17:54 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: if you assume that you're down to numbers of cases you can count on one hand. but i see no reason to make that assumption due to the limited accuracy of tests, the high rate of asymptomatic carriers, etc. | 17:56 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | current pcr tests have been seen to have a false negative rate as high as 30%. | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:54 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: PCM-DPC dati forniti dal Ministero della Salute AGGIORNAMENTO 28/04/2020 ORE 17.00 reat POSITIVI AL nCoV INCREMENTO tegione DIMESSI/| CASI TOTALI Ricoverati | Terapia | Isolamento atte guariti | CECEDUT!) CASITOTAL | ci aiorno Jconsintomil intensiva | domicare | “et precedente) Lombardia 7.280 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/10OxF8 | 17:57 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | large sample studies have shown 2/3 of infections are asymptomatic. | 17:58 |
| mefistofeles | NoImNotNineVolt: I'm not sure that's really the case, given enough time they tend to be 100% specific | 17:58 |
| mefistofeles | so if the country is doing proper testing, then it should be close to that | 17:58 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | mefistofeles: i'm not sure either, but that's the current data. | 17:58 |
| tinwhiskers | Contact tracing and basic epidemiology shows were really are that low. Yes, there might be some community spread yet to appear but for the last week or so all cases have been linked to existing contacts so it's looking more and more likely they are contained and heading toward elimination. | 17:58 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: contact tracing depends on knowing who's infected. my point is that we don't know that. | 17:58 |
| tinwhiskers | As your numbers get lower and lower your testing becomes more effective and you can become more sure of your findings | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | unless the tests in the country are really low and the country is not able to track the suspected cases, maybe there's a significant rate of false negatives | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | but otherwise I don't see that happening | 17:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | we don't know the numbers are getting lower, and i've seen no evidence that testing is becoming more effective. | 17:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | can you be more specific in your claims? | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | NoImNotNineVolt: well, basically you test two times, separated in time | 18:00 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | mefistofeles: current pcr tests have a false negative rate as high as 30% for individual tests. this has nothing to do with how widely testing is applied. | 18:00 |
| mefistofeles | if the first time was a false negative, the second time must give a real positive | 18:00 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | mefistofeles: why? | 18:00 |
| mefistofeles | like almost 100% | 18:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Erm... There are zero cases showing up with symptoms outside of the known clusters | 18:00 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: the entire world. | 18:01 |
| mefistofeles | NoImNotNineVolt: because that's how the virus load builds up | 18:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure what you mean when you say that. | 18:01 |
| tinwhiskers | If there was community spread *some* cases would show up elsewhere | 18:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | mefistofeles: there are many documented cases of repeated negative results followed by a positive result on only a fourth or fifth test. | 18:01 |
| mefistofeles | NoImNotNineVolt: what do you mean by many? and please don't include that of the faulty tests we already know about | 18:02 |
| mefistofeles | faulty test kits | 18:02 |
| mefistofeles | not faulty because of the method itself | 18:02 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | mefistofeles: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.11.20021493v2.full.pdf | 18:02 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the "why" may be interesting (and it's mostly related to sample preparation), but it's not relevant. | 18:03 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | 30% false negative rate. that's the reality. | 18:03 |
| tinwhiskers | If you get zero cases showing up in hospitals (except those from known contacts) you know there is no community spread. | 18:03 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: that's not true at all. | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | NoImNotNineVolt: I don't think that shows the point you are referring to | 18:03 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | mefistofeles: it shows that the false negative rate is as high as 30%, doesn't it? | 18:04 |
| tinwhiskers | NoImNotNineVolt: but it is true, so I don't know what more to tell you | 18:04 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: so you're saying it's not possible for coronavirus to be transmitted between asymptomatic carriers? | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:02 UTC: (news): Dr. Anthony Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall' if coronavirus treatments don't work → https://is.gd/wz38OH | 18:04 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: that flies in the face of what little we do know about ncov. | 18:05 |
| tinwhiskers | You simply don't get ongoing community spread with zero symptomatic cases for extended periods | 18:05 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: you didn't mention anything about extended periods until now | 18:05 |
| tinwhiskers | No it doesn't. It's just statistics | 18:05 |
| mefistofeles | NoImNotNineVolt: no, it's not that simple | 18:05 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | is the current period "extended" yet? | 18:05 |
| mefistofeles | they claim up to 30% for the worse case in a single sample in a single test | 18:05 |
| tinwhiskers | I said several weeks before | 18:05 |
| mefistofeles | whereas, . BLAF collected120during 8~14 d.a.o in the severe cases showed 100% positive, while negative in the121BALF of three mild cases. | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +2091 cases (now 201505), +382 deaths (now 27359) since 20 hours ago — Chile: +552 cases (now 14365) since 20 hours ago — Canada: +525 cases (now 49025), +59 deaths (now 2766) since 15 hours ago | 18:06 |
| mefistofeles | 3 out of 176 for the mild cases | 18:06 |
| mefistofeles | were false negatives | 18:06 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | my mistake. i was reponding to your immediate past comment. i thought we're talking about 30% false positive rates on pcr testing in general, not new zealand. | 18:07 |
| tinwhiskers | [04:58:23] <b300cctinwhiskers> Contact tracing and basic epidemiology shows were really are that low. Yes, there might be some community spread yet to appear but for the last week or so all cases have been linked to existing contacts so it's looking more and more likely they are contained and heading toward elimination. | 18:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Last week or so... Looking more and more like | 18:07 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i'll still disagree with "several weeks" being sufficient to reach any significant measure of confidence. | 18:07 |
| tinwhiskers | I also said I thought jacinda was getting ahead of herself, | 18:07 |
| tinwhiskers | So you do agree that given time it's valid then | 18:08 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the probability of 2 or 3 subsequent transmissions between only asymptomatic carriers isn't 0, particularly if there's still social distancing in place. | 18:08 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i'd put it more on the order of several months. | 18:08 |
| Biep[m] | !cases world | 18:09 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 3,093,436 cases as of 2020-04-28 15:49:00 UTC. Of these 1,945,319 (62.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 935,131 (30.2%) have definitely recovered and 212,986 (6.9%) have died. | 18:09 |
| tinwhiskers | When you get down to symptomatic cases being only a handful and have months of contact tracing with only a few outliers, then reach point where you have all cases are under active contact tracing your ability to test effectively is much better than when tests are limited | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Hancock gives daily briefing as Scottish government advises people to cover faces in public → https://is.gd/9mOagh | 18:11 |
| tinwhiskers | We have a much better handle on real cases than you're suggesting, but yes, it's possible we may still find some cases of community spread | 18:12 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: consider that current evidence suggests 2/3 of carriers are asymptomatic. | 18:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Exactly | 18:12 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: "only a few outliers" is a strange assumption in this context. | 18:12 |
| Blankspace | Asymptomatic means they don't get I'll themselves but can infect others | 18:13 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | a majority of new infections will come from asymptomatic carriers, many of whom were not part of the contact tracing network on account of nobody knowing they're carriers. | 18:13 |
| tinwhiskers | If there was community spread occurring about a third of those would be showing up with symptoms | 18:13 |
| tinwhiskers | And we're getting zero | 18:13 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | what percentage of new cases can be accounted for via contact tracing? | 18:13 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and how many of them were actually the result of unknown secondary exposures to asymptomatic carriers? | 18:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Impossible to say | 18:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it's not knowable. | 18:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tht's my point. | 18:14 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30158-4/fulltext oh, this is interesting | 18:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | there's a whole lot of assumptions being made here. i argue against making such assumptions. | 18:14 |
| mefistofeles | considering that a couple of days ago I read some news from a latin american country telling there were towns with dengue epidemic all over | 18:14 |
| tinwhiskers | But since no cases are showing up outside known clusters it's looking likely that cases are limited to those clusters | 18:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i haven't looked at the data at that level of granularity. | 18:15 |
| tinwhiskers | No | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Francia → https://is.gd/dv6l6P | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +2392 cases (now 114653), +92 deaths (now 2992) since 20 hours ago | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - New York → https://is.gd/BUN1cT | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:28 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Fase 2 → https://is.gd/U0sqyr | 18:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dr. Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall,' US cases near 1 million → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 18:40 |
| Mrc4 | http://www.pearltrees.com/webcrawler/coronavirus-covid19/id30788634#item301368689 | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dr. Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall,' food banks close as help dwindles → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | R_eff=0.9 - as soon as I talk about R_eff they already publish a new value of it at RKI | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowcasting is basically overbiasing noise | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2508 cases (now 1016065), +74 deaths (now 57123) since 31 minutes ago — Brazil: +742 cases (now 68188), +71 deaths (now 4674) since 8 hours ago — Texas, US: +655 cases (now 26171) since 16 hours ago | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Sud Asia → https://is.gd/ZIxMse | 18:54 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: where are you seeing this? | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TV | 18:55 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: ah ok | 18:56 |
| mefistofeles | I don't have tv :P | 18:56 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: but is it like a press conference of some sort? | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI seems to have a daily PConf at 10:00 CEST | 18:57 |
| mefistofeles | I see | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | news had R_eff=1.0 this noon. Dunno where from this new 0.9 came | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's silly to have two new R_eff within 24h | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:58 UTC: Coronavirus could kill more than 3 million people in vulnerable and poor countries, aid group says: Existing humanitarian crises like political and economic instability combined with the Covid-19 crisis could create a "double emergency" for vulnerable countries, IRC warns. → https://is.gd/kKqOve | 19:01 |
| rajrajraj | https://www.businesstoday.in/current/corporate/post-coronavirus-75-percent-of-3-5-lakh-tcs-employees-permanently-work-from-home-up-from-20-percent/story/401981.html | 19:04 |
| rajrajraj | could this be real | 19:04 |
| BruntLIVE | so....am I correct that the dog from Cujo had CoronaVirus? | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually TV news (ZDF Heute) tells now, RKI published R_eff=1.0 in the morning and R_eff=0.9 in the afternoon | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I call bullshit | 19:07 |
| mefistofeles | BruntLIVE: there are many Coronavirus? you mean Covid-19? | 19:07 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 19:07 |
| dunnp | yep - impossible that there are multiple studies ongoing that might have slightly different results | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:59 UTC: Coronavirus: Care home deaths up as hospital cases fall: Outbreaks in care homes claiming 2,000 lives a week, but hospital fatalities are going down. → https://is.gd/JcwzH1 | 19:08 |
| BruntLIVE | give it a think | 19:09 |
| BruntLIVE | many huh one death | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dr. Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall,' food banks close as help dwindles → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunnp: if that was addressed at me - the RKI is publishing *own* results of statistical evaluation of their own genuine data, as official German entity dealing with public health. They don't report about results from other studies when they tell their notion of R_eff | 19:15 |
| ubLXI | mapping lock down 'stringency index' to effect: https://media.nature.com/lw800/magazine-assets/d41586-020-01248-1/d41586-020-01248-1_17931674.jpg | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's like DAX or NASDAQ, not like a weather forecast that differs with the source you got it from | 19:19 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'This isn't essential': Employees at Tyson dog treat factory plead with company to shut down plant after first Covid-19 death (10152 votes) | https://redd.it/g9l2w7 | 19:20 |
| Mrc4 | https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-less-deadly-than-we-thought-time-to-end-lockdown/ | 19:20 |
| ubLXI | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01248-1 | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | ubLXI: From www.nature.com: Whose coronavirus strategy worked best? Scientists hunt most effective policies | 19:21 |
| ubLXI | "Efforts to tackle these questions will get a boost in the coming weeks from a database that brings together information on the hundreds of different interventions that have been introduced worldwide." | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3758 cases (now 1019823), +478 deaths (now 57601) since 33 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +2668 cases (now 113856), +398 deaths (now 6442) since 21 hours ago — Indiana, US: +627 cases (now 16588) since 21 hours ago | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:20 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Austria → https://is.gd/yTFH3S | 19:22 |
| mefistofeles | woah, so looking at the data from RKI, there seems to be a real significant difference between women and men | 19:23 |
| mefistofeles | how are they explaining that? do you know? | 19:23 |
| mefistofeles | in the death numbers, btw | 19:23 |
| mefistofeles | NYC also saw something similar and are even trying some teatment using estrogen in patients | 19:24 |
| mefistofeles | afaik | 19:25 |
| LjL | Mrc4, conclusion of the article: "But the American public remains divided on the issue with Trump appearing to flip flop between supporting the lockdowns and reviving the economy. Several American states have plans to ease restrictions in May." ← maybe the flip-flopping and bad implementations in America are more the issue, rather than "everyone is foolish and should do what Sweden does" | 19:25 |
| LjL | also, these antibody tests are widely cautioned about because they may have a high rate of false positives resulting in an apparent high rate of immunity | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | Sweden also has much more ICUs beds than most countries :P | 19:26 |
| LjL | the fact remains that it has been thoroughly shown in practice that this disease CAN overwhelm healthcare systems, hospitals, ICUs, and everything, causing deaths both from COVID-19 and from lack of proper assistance | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | that is, per capita | 19:26 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, and it has a low population density | 19:26 |
| LjL | there are differences that cannot just be ignored | 19:26 |
| LjL | but then the article compares with Norway, which has even lower density | 19:27 |
| LjL | fine | 19:27 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: also, and are *very* good at social distancing, without any pandemic | 19:27 |
| LjL | %cases norway | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Norway, there are 7619 total cases (0.1% of the population) and 206 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 165951 tests were performed (4.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Norway for time series data. | 19:27 |
| LjL | there is an obvious difference here https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Norway;Sweden between norway and sweden. | 19:27 |
| LjL | whereas the article just goes "So far, the country records 1,659 cases per 1 million people and 200 deaths per million people–well within the normal range for Europe. For comparison, Germany reports 1,828 cases per 1 million, while neighboring Norway reports 1,365 cases per 1 million people." | 19:28 |
| LjL | the implication is, despite no lockdown, it's going more or less the same as neighboring countries, like Norway | 19:28 |
| LjL | except it's not, the curve looks nothing like it | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist at 17:30 UTC: Covid-19 latest: Worldwide confirmed coronavirus cases pass 3 million: The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about the covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/bj6sKF | 19:29 |
| LjL | it also goes "within the normal range for Europ" | 19:29 |
| LjL | Europe, even | 19:29 |
| LjL | implying - actually stating - "not a big deal then" | 19:30 |
| LjL | but | 19:30 |
| LjL | the "normal range for Europe" turned out to be terrifying compared to what we were expecting after Wuhan | 19:30 |
| LjL | around 2000 people had died, to our knowledge, in Wuhan, and that seemed like a tragedy | 19:30 |
| LjL | now Sweden alone had more than 2000 deaths on the day that article was written | 19:30 |
| LjL | and the population of Sweden is *a little* lower than the population of China, or even of Hubei | 19:31 |
| LjL | so has "oh my god, so many people dying" turned to "actually that's not many people at all, we should carry on as if nothing's happening"... somehow...? despite the number of people being MUCH HIGHER in the latter case? | 19:31 |
| genera | so they soemhow compare it to Lombardy? | 19:34 |
| Mrc4 | coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought. As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%. | 19:35 |
| Mrc4 | http://www.pearltrees.com/webcrawler/coronavirus-covid19/id30788634#item301371461 | 19:35 |
| LjL | genera, where do you get that? Lombardy is never mentioned in the article | 19:36 |
| genera | i m asking^^ | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2330 cases (now 1022153), +243 deaths (now 57844) since 17 minutes ago — New York, US: +2330 cases (now 300334), +243 deaths (now 22866) since 17 hours ago — Ghana: +121 cases (now 1671) since 2 days ago | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dr. Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall,' food banks close as help dwindles → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 19:36 |
| LjL | Mrc4, and that Stanford research, like many other antibody tests, is already being criticized. we just don't know that those findings are true, and we also don't know a lot of other important things, such as how young people are affected even when they recover at home (some of them have lung damage regardless, and there may be subtler long-term effects we have no yet fully studied) | 19:37 |
| LjL | "The Swedish government encourages young, healthy people to go out and potentially get infected to create widespread immunity to the disease that will protect more vulnerable people from catching it." | 19:37 |
| LjL | this just sounds like recklessness to me, not like a wise policy of creating herd immunity | 19:37 |
| LjL | they are telling people to go and cough on each other without KNOWING what will happen. they may cherry-pick studies and hope they are right, but they don't KNOW. | 19:38 |
| tinwhiskers | And if immunity only lasts up to 12 months... | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><mefistofeles> woah, so looking at the data from RKI, there seems to be a real significant difference between women and men<< where from do you see that? https://i.imgur.com/eSnCvOi.png | 19:40 |
| genera | did you all see the Drosten interview on ORF? well those of you that speak german^^ | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, prolly not | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm listening to his podcast twice a week | 19:42 |
| tinwhiskers | genera: no, anything interesting you can summarise for us? | 19:42 |
| Mrc4 | the few at risk are the most vulnerable with low resistance. youth usually has a high resistance | 19:42 |
| genera | not yet done, but it has a different .. touch than his statements on german media | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 17:36 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: New Zealand Tames CCP Virus; France, Spain Reveal Lockdown Exits → https://is.gd/5Djjhf | 19:43 |
| tinwhiskers | CCP virus? Wth. | 19:44 |
| Mrc4 | > this just sounds like recklessness to me, not like a wise policy of creating herd immunity | 19:45 |
| Mrc4 | the few at risk are the most vulnerable with low resistance. youth usually has a high resistance | 19:45 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-04-28-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile check table 2 | 19:45 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: from death cases, not infection | 19:46 |
| mefistofeles | which is what makes it surprising, considering it's almost 50-50 for infections | 19:46 |
| LjL | genera, not sure if it's the same interview but i've read one in English | 19:47 |
| LjL | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/virologist-christian-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview | 19:48 |
| genera | 24.4. | 19:48 |
| genera | seems a different one | 19:49 |
| genera | so now i have 2 interviews to hear/read | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dr. Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall,' food banks close as help dwindles → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 19:50 |
| Butterfly^ | https://twitter.com/theunrealBT/status/1254851211494412290?s=19 @theunrealBT (Brian Taylor): I can’t believe this is so hard for people to grasp: yes, the current death toll for covid19 is roughly = to seasonal flu season. that’s not good. because covid reached the flu’s 6 month total in ONE MONTH... WHILE THE COUNTRY WAS IN LOCKDOWN. you get that, right? (22 hours and 36 minutes ago) | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:52 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa per cena → https://is.gd/3jklqu | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mefistofeles: duh! significant indeed | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even the 90-99 is 'normal' given male vs female average max age | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how this fits into >> The 5,913 COVID-19 related deaths reported in Germany concerned 3,345 (57%) men and 2,563 (43%) women<< | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 17:57 UTC: Coronavirus: Care home deaths up as hospital cases fall: Outbreaks in care homes claiming 2,000 lives a week, but hospital fatalities are going down. → https://is.gd/JcwzH1 | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah well the 80-89 dilutes the total | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dr. Fauci warns US could 'be in for a bad fall,' food banks close as help dwindles → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for 0-79 it's 1526 male to 655 female, aka 70% male | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowcasting (sorry, lang=german) https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6650.2/17_2020_2.Artikel.pdf?sequence=3&isAllowed=y | 20:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 1 million as Cuomo outlines criteria for reopening New York → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2020/17/Art_02.html | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see german (vs english) https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/2020-04-28-de.pdf?__blob=publicationFile page 7 | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 18:30 UTC: MINISTERO DELLO SVILUPPO ECONOMICO - CIRCOLARE 23 aprile 2020, n.0108129: Misure temporanee di supporto alle imprese per l'attuale fase diemergenza sanitaria da COVID-19 con riferimento ai nuovi obblighi dietichettatura alimentare. (20A02355) → https://is.gd/02JUlS | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +3996 cases (now 161145), +586 deaths (now 21678) since 23 hours ago — Ecuador: +1018 cases (now 24258), +208 deaths (now 871) since 22 hours ago — Ireland: +229 cases (now 19877), +57 deaths (now 1159) since 23 hours ago | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Una foto della lavorazione di carne all'interno di uno delle aziende, grazie a the Guardian → https://is.gd/YK7Plw | 20:39 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: for the 80+ age groups having more women than men is related to having also unbalance in cases/infections | 20:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:44 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/jW8jkL | 20:46 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: so yeah, there's a significant difference, that's surprising, but nothing new, this have been seen since China | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I didn't factor in the number of infected / hospitalized as of https://i.imgur.com/eSnCvOi.png which even more emphasizes this differnece between male and female | 20:51 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 20:51 |
| mefistofeles | I wish Derek posted something on this :P | 20:52 |
| mefistofeles | but I guess there's not much known | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 1 million as Cuomo outlines criteria for reopening New York → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a note re R_eff and nowcasting: https://www.tagesschau.de/faktenfinder/corona-reproduktionszahl-101.html | 20:54 |
| Mrc4 | Bill Gates Calls for a “Digital Certificate” to Identify Who Received COVID-19 Vaccine | 20:55 |
| Mrc4 | https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bill-gates-calls-for-a-digital-certificate-to-identify-who-is-vaccinated/ | 20:55 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't see that he's calling for it. More of a prediction: "Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it." | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Not it's also about who has recovered, not just been vaccinated. | 21:00 |
| tinwhiskers | But, yeah, lots of people are suggesting immunity passports. | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/xRCQb2 | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | We really can't go down the road of immunity passports until we know a lot more about how the immunity works out, but "eventually" might well be right. | 21:03 |
| friedbat | bill gates seems very involved in covid19 issues. | 21:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, infectious diseases are a big part of what the Gates foundation does. | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Storia → https://is.gd/bfkQ5x | 21:08 |
| JamGobbar | https://www.facebook.com/737319183035391/posts/2424044651029494/ | 21:09 |
| JamGobbar | nomask? | 21:09 |
| JamGobbar | no problem! | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | R_eff based on average-smoothened no-nowcasting #newcases/d https://i.imgur.com/jsbrSnd.png | 21:09 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: any chance of getting that spreadsheet? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | Cool. | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:11 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tours Mayo Clinic without coronavirus mask even though he was told to wear one: Video shows Vice President Mike Pence not wearing a mask to protect from coronavirus while touring the Mayo Clinic, where all visitors are required to wear masks. → https://is.gd/GIOA8K | 21:15 |
| JamGobbar | i just pasted that! | 21:17 |
| JamGobbar | =D | 21:17 |
| seti2 | friedbat: scratch a little bit, Gates remains just another Billionaire | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: Xhttp://maemo.cloud-7.de/et_al/covid/covid19.tar.gz | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2006 cases (now 1024265), +257 deaths (now 58119) since 54 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +1052 cases (now 39262), +160 deaths (now 3567) since 23 hours ago — Ohio, US: +444 cases (now 16769) since 23 hours ago | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:19 UTC: Coronavirus has 'exposed every fracture' in US workplace safety, top labor union leaders say: All of the union officials on the call, who collectively represent more than 6 million American workers, criticized OSHA, an agency of the Department of Labor, for not acting more quickly to investigate workplace complaints [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/9EBEhb | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in same dir you find the uncompressed stuff as well | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/covid19> ./run_statistics.sh dir name might matter, since it has to be "trustworthy source" in libreoffice | 21:24 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: thanks! | 21:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:22 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tours Mayo Clinic without coronavirus mask even though he was told to wear one: Vice President Mike Pence, who leads the White House's coronavirus task force, visited the Mayo Clinic without a mask. The facility requires everyone to wear a mask to avoid spreading the virus that causes Covid-19. → https://is.gd/GIOA8K | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: success? | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | no :-( | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no linux? | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | nope | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah ok | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a problem | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | I just wanted to see your workings in the spreadsheet so not necessarily a biggie | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that should still work | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you simply open the .ods which inports the .csv | 21:40 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, well I'm getting a #REF error trying to access the full path on your PC to covid19.csv, but the layout looks different to the covid19.csv file I got | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas you can't generate new csv from online data | 21:40 |
| tinwhiskers | The spreadsheet has 5 columns whereas the csv file only has 2 | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the spreadsheet has a second sheet which imports from the csv, the front sheet only copies data from 2nd sheet | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then calculates C to E | 21:42 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. the second sheet appears to refer to a csv file with 5 columns though | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm shouldn't | 21:42 |
| tinwhiskers | I was just tinkering when you asked. I'll have a bit more of a look | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:40 UTC: Here's what Gov. Cuomo says New York needs to do to reopen during coronavirus: The plan to reopen New York during the coronavirus pandemic would require creating regional isolation facilities to monitor the outbreak and hiring many contact tracers. → https://is.gd/pLWyqs | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah well, it imports 4 cols but the csv only populates col A and B, no problem | 21:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. right. yeah. no problem | 21:45 |
| Blankspace | Tinwhiskers do you need my help | 21:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Blankspace! hold tight. I may! | 21:45 |
| Blankspace | Ok. Please let me know if anything I can do. | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: "edit - links to external files" adjust to your needs | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, all good thanks | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: I thought it was calculating R_eff, but I guess that's calculated elsewhere? | 21:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Or is the blue series the R_Eff? | 21:48 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, no | 21:48 |
| Mrc6 | https://news.trust.org/item/20200327085805-zcpnk/ | 21:50 |
| Mrc6 | Latest on coronavirus surveillance: How governments are monitoring citizens | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 19:45 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Perù: medici protestano in strada e il governo schiera i carrarmati. → https://is.gd/CAtp1q | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2506 cases (now 1026771), +150 deaths (now 58269) since 33 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +2219 cases (now 48102), +142 deaths (now 2125) since a day ago — India: +1909 cases (now 31360), +69 deaths (now 1008) since a day ago | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 1 million as Cuomo outlines criteria for reopening New York → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: col C is >>AVERAGEIF(B2:B8;">0")<< so it's doing average of this day plus last 6 https://i.imgur.com/SU6UM6G.png (so actually 7 days, not 6) | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | R_eff is a simple average(now)/average(now-4d) >>=C42/C38*3000<< | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *300 to lift the chart curve into visible range | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3000 even | 22:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Ohhhh | 22:02 |
| friedbat | what is your definition for R_eff? | 22:02 |
| mefistofeles | ↑ | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^^ | 22:02 |
| Mrc6 | Do you really want to get vaccinated against Covid19? | 22:02 |
| Mrc6 | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/ | 22:02 |
| Mrc6 | "That the occurrence of autism has risen steadily in the last decades is not in dispute. Prior to the 1930's and the introduction of vaccinations autism was unknown. " | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | average(now)/average(now-4d) | 22:02 |
| tinwhiskers | So col E is your R_eff * 3000? | 22:02 |
| tinwhiskers | I see | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:02 |
| friedbat | average of what? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: col C is >>AVERAGEIF(B2:B8;">0")<< so it's doing average of this day plus last 6 https://i.imgur.com/SU6UM6G.png (so actually 7 days, not 6) | 22:03 |
| tinwhiskers | yep | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of newcases | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:58 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tours Mayo Clinic without coronavirus mask even though he was told to wear one: Vice President Mike Pence, who leads the White House's coronavirus task force, visited the Mayo Clinic without a mask. The facility requires everyone to wear a mask to avoid spreading the virus that causes Covid-19. → https://is.gd/GIOA8K | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically https://i.imgur.com/e09RpDf.png | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Mrc6: no autism vaccine bullshit here. Totally unacceptable | 22:05 |
| mefistofeles | Mrc6: correlation doesn't imply anything... so that article is fundamentally flawed | 22:05 |
| mefistofeles | which might explain why it is published in a rather unknown journal | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that weekly sine "noise" gets filtered out by the average quite nicely, see blue vs red curve | 22:06 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes. OK, thanks DocScrutinizer05. | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw. thanks for the interest in my fancy shit | 22:08 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 22:08 |
| Blankspace | The graph looks good | 22:08 |
| Mrc6 | It is likely that the DTP vaccine increases total mortality in low-income countries. I have thoroughly reviewed the research by Peter Aaby et al. and a 2014 WHO report in response to that research https://bit.ly/2ZpPPrl. The WHO report is flawed and substandard. | 22:12 |
| Mrc6 | https://mobile.twitter.com/pgtzsche1/status/1165230449771327488 | 22:12 |
| Mrc6 | MetDetox: Silicic Acid: Nature's "detox" for aluminium / vaccine adjuvants | 22:15 |
| Mrc6 | https://youtu.be/1GB_MNIdg_k | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: please get the big hammer | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 22:16 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: you might want to kick that dangerous idiot from the matrix side of things too | 22:16 |
| freelock | he's kicked here too, by the bridge | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | really. nice | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | I thought that didn't work | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | cool. thanks freelock | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 1 million, California to 'gradually' reopen once testing, tracing improves → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:29 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tours Mayo Clinic without coronavirus mask even though he was told to wear one: Vice President Mike Pence, who leads the White House's coronavirus task force, visited the Mayo Clinic without a mask. The facility requires everyone to wear a mask to avoid spreading the virus that causes Covid-19. → https://is.gd/GIOA8K | 22:32 |
| merethan | :o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65aYK0AoMc It's the 5G!! | 22:32 |
| merethan | :P | 22:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2408 cases (now 1029179), +299 deaths (now 58568) since 48 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1840 cases (now 58302), +150 deaths (now 3153) since a day ago — Connecticut, US: +315 cases (now 26312), +77 deaths (now 2089) since 12 hours ago | 22:37 |
| fsol[m] | !cases sweden | 22:43 |
| CovBot | In Sweden there have been a total of 19,621 cases as of 2020-04-28 20:34:00 UTC. Of these 16,261 (82.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,005 (5.1%) have definitely recovered and 2,355 (12.0%) have died. | 22:44 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, damn i should do it the way ubLXI does it and just trust my instinct before something actually happens | 23:11 |
| LjL | i knew that one was an idiot while i was still here watching | 23:11 |
| LjL | but then i went to dinner | 23:11 |
| LjL | he hadn't been *that* much of an idiot yet, but i feeeeeeeeeelt it | 23:11 |
| LjL | and now i can't connect to Matrix -.- | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 1 million, California to 'gradually' reopen once testing, tracing improves → https://is.gd/OtEp4A | 23:14 |
| iz | why does it feel like this is the second time the us topped 1 mil? | 23:15 |
| LjL | because exponential curves mess up brains? | 23:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | tinwhiskers and John it's true they're kicked here too, but they're not banned. Getting bans across the bridge is technically trickier so I don't think it happens | 23:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah | 23:17 |
| freelock | well I think I just saw him attempt to join and immediately get kicked again... | 23:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | John: what I see is the bridge changing tinwhiskers's level to moderator and then back to default (which looks weird on Matrix but reproduces the way it's done on IRC), and in between those, the user was kicked | 23:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | John: ah, that's cool, I see... it looks like it *is* reproducing the ban from IRC, but I'm confused because I'm not seeing this on my end | 23:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | John: okay, nevermind, I get it. So I was wrong, the ban is carried across, except not as a real Matrix ban, but instead it kicks the user immediately if the host matches. Good to know. | 23:21 |
| freelock | maybe you have some of the join/part messages hidden? | 23:21 |
| iz | i think it's just a matter of different info sources | 23:21 |
| LjL-Matrix | I think this doesn't happen with IRC quiets, though, so that's a reason to use bans I guess, even though I've mostly used quiets for this channel instead (but not for a technical reason) | 23:22 |
| mefistofeles | so, how many new ban cases today? xD | 23:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:32 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tours Mayo Clinic without coronavirus mask even though he was told to wear one: Vice President Mike Pence, who leads the White House's coronavirus task force, visited the Mayo Clinic without a mask. The facility requires everyone to wear a mask to avoid spreading the virus that causes Covid-19. → https://is.gd/GIOA8K | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:46 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths Today: 2,198 Yesterday: 1,163 One week ago (4/21): 2,558 Newly reported cases: T: 24K Y: 22K 4/21: 26K Newly reported tests: T: 202K Y*: 190K 4/21: 148K Share of tests positive: T: 12% Y: 11% 4/21: 17% * See [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Yv13Rg | 23:49 |
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