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mefistofeles | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2271-3 more evidence towards the aerosol transmission | 00:59 |
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friedbat | there's probably some degree of aerosol contagion but i imagine in settings with close exposure to aerosols produced via intubation/cough etc | 01:06 |
friedbat | but not the kind of aersolization you see with measles which means you can get it from going into an elevator after someone infected has recently been in it | 01:06 |
LjL | friedbat, "The concentration of SARS-CoV-2 RNA in aerosols detected in isolation wards and ventilated patient rooms was very low, but it was elevated in the patients’ toilet areas" ← this would seemingly contradict that idea | 01:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:04 UTC: Trump says US will be able to run 5 million coronavirus tests per day 'very soon': At the average rate of around 157,000 tests run a day in April, it would take almost 6 years to test everyone in the U.S. just once. → https://is.gd/SWgzQg | 01:07 |
LjL | i'm betting you can get it from an elevator, and in China they've gone to great (and sometimes slightly funny) lengths to avoid elevator contamination by having strict protocols for pressing buttons, but my bet is that they think elevators are dangerous because of the buttons but in reality it's mostly because of the enclosed air | 01:07 |
LjL | elevators at the opposite of ventilated | 01:08 |
friedbat | LjL: interesting but their table 1 doesn't see m to show it | 01:12 |
friedbat | their highest concentration is in an ICU at Renmin Hospital (113) | 01:13 |
friedbat | they have one mobile "toilet" sample at FangCang with 19 | 01:14 |
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LjL | friedbat, i'll go ahead and admit i only read the abstract. i do have my own opinionated idea on aerosolization | 01:15 |
friedbat | i don't believe it's a major source of transmission unless you have close contact or lots of aersol production | 01:17 |
friedbat | also the problem with many of these studies, and i think this study is included in that, is that they look for evidence of rna fragments | 01:19 |
friedbat | rather than viable virus | 01:19 |
LjL | friedbat, that's all valid criticism. the thing that annoys me is that we don't *really* know one way or the other, and yet authorities often insist that it just *isn't* a major source of transmission | 01:21 |
LjL | you are of the opinion that it isn't | 01:21 |
LjL | i am of the opinion that it is | 01:21 |
LjL | but i think we both recognize hard and fast studies are lacking from either side | 01:21 |
LjL | so it rubs me the wrong way when it's stated as certain | 01:22 |
friedbat | yes, we don't know how much of the tranmission is due to aerosols and in which sorts of settings. | 01:22 |
friedbat | i suspect it's highest in indoor settings with lots of aerosol production (like wards with many covid patients getting intubated and/or coughing) | 01:23 |
friedbat | LjL: i agree with your feeling on getting pissed at how authorities make claims with certainty when things are uncertain | 01:25 |
LjL | friedbat, this is obviously an opinionated paper https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7151430/ but i wonder the same as the authors do when they ask, since we know SARS-COV-2 is similar to SARS-COV-1, and we know the latter is airborne, why on earth would we assume or even presume the former isn't? | 01:25 |
friedbat | i have the same objection when authorities use "models" to claim with certainty that millions will die so we all need to lose our jobs. | 01:25 |
LjL | and then there is https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973 which can be considered flawed due to the aerosols being mechanically produced, but again, why 1 but somehow not 2? | 01:26 |
friedbat | i think we both agree that aerosol transmission occurs | 01:27 |
LjL | i can see models oscillating wildly but i don't personally place the bar at "millions" to say it's lives worth saving. but i get it, it's not the same for everyone due to a number of factors. still, what i can say about watching https://covid19.healthdata.org/italy which i believe is a highly-considered model in the US is that they have kept *under*estimating the deaths for italy. it used to say 20000 not so many days ago, now it clearly has to say more | 01:27 |
LjL | since they are *already* more | 01:27 |
friedbat | but i believe outside of settings that naturally produce lots of aerosols it's either respiratory droplet (meaning you need to be close) or fomite (touching a door handle or elevator button) | 01:28 |
LjL | friedbat, yes but i don't see why it would be so minor as to be practically ignorable except in hospital settings. there are many places with poor air circulation, or with "bad" air recirculation like A/C on public transport, or what have you | 01:28 |
friedbat | because i don't think we produce much aerosols normally | 01:29 |
friedbat | sure, if you have a closed bus with poor circulation and maybe a 6-hour ride | 01:29 |
LjL | friedbat, why does it happen with measles? | 01:29 |
friedbat | then you might get it if you're in the air circulation path of the infected person | 01:29 |
friedbat | the aerodynamics of that virus are different. it stays suspended in air longer | 01:30 |
friedbat | but i don't know, maybe they are less fragile, better lipid envelopes, etc. | 01:32 |
friedbat | we'd need a virologist in here to explain what makes a virus more prone to aerosol transmission | 01:32 |
friedbat | maybe it'll end up being a much bigger form of transmission than some of us suspect, who knows. i am very interested to read more evidence. | 01:37 |
LjL | it's just a feeling for me that rather high infectivity and some "big" infectious events are hard to explain with just a direct cough-on-your-face model | 01:39 |
mefistofeles | LjL: how is influenza transmitted? I don't think it's ariborne, is it? | 01:41 |
mefistofeles | but still it does a pretty good job at infecting people | 01:41 |
LjL | mefistofeles, well aside from "airborne" apparently meaning a lot of different things to different people, influenza has an R0 of 1.3 | 01:41 |
mefistofeles | and in this case, this one may be worse considering the high proportion of asymptomatic cases | 01:42 |
LjL | so my "feeling" doesn't really apply, it is not highly infective in this sense | 01:42 |
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LjL | it does a pretty good job of infecting people because it mutates just enough to fool us every year, not because it's *highly* infectious | 01:42 |
friedbat | influenza is mainly droplet (so coughing/sneezing/heavy breathing) but some aerosol in settings where lots of aerosol is produced (like hospitals) | 01:42 |
mefistofeles | LjL: no, I mean every strain (independent from mutation) infects a large amount of people every season | 01:43 |
LjL | also, influenza is massively transmitted by children. less school results in less influenza. with this one, the children issue is quite unclear still | 01:43 |
LjL | mefistofeles, yes, and the R0 is 1. | 01:43 |
LjL | 3 | 01:43 |
LjL | here we're talking something like 2.5 according to initial estimates but then more like 5 and then according to the highest number i've seen in a study, 11 or so | 01:44 |
LjL | so influenza is not highly infectious | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | I think initial estimates were off, tbh | 01:44 |
LjL | eventually anything above 1 infects everyone, if they are not immune | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | but yeah, the problem here is the asymptomatic | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | that's the special thing | 01:44 |
friedbat | there can be other reasons for a low R0, like previous exposure to very similar influenza strains. when you have novel ones like 1917 or h1n1, the flu R0 is a lot higher | 01:44 |
friedbat | so it's not only a matter of airborne vs. not-airborne | 01:44 |
mefistofeles | true, there are many reasons | 01:45 |
friedbat | and in the case of the flu, you have some degree of immunity, a big % of people get flu shots. | 01:45 |
LjL | yeah i don't have certainties on this, just gut feeling. perhaps amplified by authorities insisting otherwise. | 01:45 |
mefistofeles | but that's the hypothesis, I don't think it needs to be airborne to get that infectious.... though now we know it is potentially airborne | 01:46 |
mefistofeles | LjL: which authorities? | 01:46 |
friedbat | we see high transmission in hospitals and ships | 01:48 |
friedbat | and maybe nyc subways | 01:48 |
mefistofeles | nursery and homeless shelters | 01:48 |
friedbat | yes, that as well | 01:48 |
friedbat | so places where people spend a lot of time close together, indoors. | 01:48 |
LjL | "According to the currently available evidence, transmission through smaller droplet nuclei (airborne transmission) that propagate through air at distances longer than 1 meter is limited to aerosol generating procedures during clinical care of COVID-19 patients." | 01:50 |
LjL | https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200326-sitrep-66-covid-19.pdf | 01:50 |
friedbat | it's incredible that we have all these brilliant people working in top research universities, commercial pharmaceutical labs, etc. and we don't have a fucking single effective therapy yet. | 01:50 |
LjL | no, "according to currently available evidence" we don't know that "transmission is limited" blah blah | 01:50 |
LjL | we don't know EITHER WAY | 01:50 |
friedbat | the whole planet is working on this | 01:50 |
LjL | the null hypothesis is not magically "it doesn't" | 01:50 |
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friedbat | and we've known about S-spike protein coronaviruses for a long time. just shows how relatively primitive we are. | 01:51 |
LjL | and this, as well as weasel language at the end of https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/modes-of-transmission-of-virus-causing-covid-19-implications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations including veiled criticism such as "At the same time, other countries and organizations, ..." is easy to read through | 01:51 |
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friedbat | i think at this point you should ignore anything from WHO | 01:51 |
friedbat | they failed miserably on this | 01:52 |
LjL | friedbat, i kind of do, but that doesn't mean their advice doesn't seem through to my country's authorities | 01:52 |
friedbat | yeah, we all should, including country governments. the WHO is broken. | 01:52 |
mefistofeles | LjL: the WHO is just stating the facts they know, not what they don't know | 01:52 |
mefistofeles | that's common in science reports | 01:52 |
mefistofeles | still the conclusions and recommendations is to treat the airborne transmission as possible | 01:53 |
mefistofeles | s/is/are | 01:53 |
LjL | in my case http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/dettaglioFaqNuovoCoronavirus.jsp?id=228&lingua=italiano#3 doesn't make any mention of the possibility of the virus staying in the air. silence is evidence of absence in this case since if something is quite genuinely possible and not entirely unlikely, cautionary principle should apply. | 01:53 |
LjL | mefistofeles, no, they are stating more | 01:53 |
LjL | but we've been there, done that | 01:53 |
LjL | and disagreed | 01:53 |
LjL | your reading of their documents is disingenuous | 01:53 |
mefistofeles | yes, you expect the WHO to behave like some government or media office in a press conference | 01:54 |
LjL | they say things like "We do not recommend" and you say it's not the same as "We recommend against" | 01:54 |
friedbat | yeah, when the WHO says "no evidence of blah", the null hypothesis is biased to be "doesn't happen" | 01:54 |
LjL | but in context, it really kind of is | 01:54 |
mefistofeles | it isn't that and it shouldn't be that, specially for the official reports | 01:54 |
friedbat | and that's how many people interpret it | 01:54 |
friedbat | if they said "no evidence it doesn't get transmitted as aerosol" | 01:54 |
LjL | i expect the WHO not to lie, including by omission | 01:54 |
friedbat | it would have a different effect | 01:54 |
mefistofeles | the WHO doesn't give advice, it shouldn't even be referenced as a source, since it just centralizes the information from other sources and not really theirs | 01:54 |
mefistofeles | that's their job | 01:55 |
friedbat | no, they produce information too | 01:55 |
friedbat | they're not merely an aggregator like "apple news" | 01:55 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: well, yes, but not as an institution but from its members as researches, isn't it? | 01:55 |
LjL | the WHO definitely gives advice, that is plain to see when they issue things called "recommendations" | 01:55 |
LjL | or lack thereof | 01:55 |
mefistofeles | *researchers | 01:56 |
friedbat | the WHO takes official positions | 01:56 |
mefistofeles | which are commonly affiliated to other institutions | 01:56 |
friedbat | they produce reports, they produce studies, they produce test kits, etc. | 01:56 |
LjL | also, as i said, local authorities (here, and i expect elsewhere) often parrots their "recommendations" | 01:56 |
LjL | making it into advice, or again, lack thereof | 01:56 |
LjL | this has made me upset from the start | 01:56 |
LjL | my mind is unlikely to be changed at this point | 01:56 |
friedbat | italy's initial response was probably not as good as it could've been because of bad WHO recommendations | 01:57 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: I have yet to see the first cientific paper on covid-19 that claims WHO as affiliation | 01:57 |
mefistofeles | not saying there aren't, but if they are then they are pretty rare | 01:57 |
friedbat | when the US shut down travel from China the WHO came out against the measure | 01:58 |
friedbat | now almost all countries have restricted travel | 01:58 |
mefistofeles | also I haven't see any news on test kits being produced by the WHO, rather than being delivered by them, which is a pretty different thing | 02:00 |
mefistofeles | it behaves more like the UN, countries can not give a damn about what they say, yet the UN can still pronnounce | 02:01 |
friedbat | yes, when we say WHO test we don't mean the WHO has a test-making laboratory. | 02:03 |
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friedbat | in the case of COVID, the "WHO test" was distributed by WHO and produced by Charite (in Berline) | 02:03 |
friedbat | Berlin* | 02:03 |
friedbat | and i think you're not recognizing the weight WHO has. yes, countries can ignore them (some did) | 02:04 |
mefistofeles | yes, thought so | 02:04 |
friedbat | but many countries like Italy took their cues from WHO | 02:04 |
friedbat | you have this scary new virus, and you have the world organization responsible for coordinate response to pandemics giving all kinds of bad recommendations. and people followed them. | 02:05 |
mefistofeles | I think the WHO has also recommended many things that were ignored in the past and now are being taken into account, also... apart from the bad advice, as well | 02:05 |
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metreo | So looks like the pandemic is over? | 03:02 |
LjL | most definitely not? | 03:02 |
metreo | What factors will perpetuate it? | 03:02 |
dunnp | what makes it look like it is over metreo? | 03:03 |
LjL | i did not say it will be perpetual either | 03:03 |
metreo | We've had the lowest new cases/day in over a month globally. | 03:03 |
LjL | a pandemic is not "over" when the number of new cases dips | 03:04 |
LjL | and even if it were, there are still rather strict lockdown measures active all over the world | 03:04 |
metreo | So when will it end? Not trying to troll just looking for your education opinions in light of recent developments. | 03:04 |
LjL | probably not until there is a vaccine | 03:05 |
metreo | We've proven that UV and heat kill the virus so just a matter of waiting until summer? | 03:05 |
metreo | Ah the vaccine could take a year or more. | 03:05 |
mefistofeles | also at this point it should be already known that new cases are correlated to testing, if the pandemic is moving towards regions where testing is less, then it would be reporting less numbers. And we now know that Latin America and Africa are starting to get hit. | 03:05 |
dunnp | more cases in US today than yesterday | 03:05 |
mefistofeles | and yeah, far from over for the USA | 03:05 |
metreo | What is the status of the testing efforts? Still sporadic and not population level. | 03:06 |
dunnp | and summer isnt going to kill it | 03:06 |
metreo | OK | 03:06 |
dunnp | its not hot enough | 03:06 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:56 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Brazil deaths exceed known China toll as US infections pass 1 million → https://is.gd/HNcRAN | 03:06 |
metreo | UV light however ... | 03:06 |
LjL | metreo, we have proven that lethal levels of UV and lethal levels of heat kill the virus | 03:06 |
dunnp | metreo: there is UV light in the winter too | 03:07 |
metreo | Ah lethal to humans as well. | 03:07 |
LjL | but since they kill us too, it's hard to make the inference that somehow summer will kill the virus but not us | 03:07 |
metreo | OK | 03:07 |
metreo | And the pathology of Covid-19, is the mortality figure of 7% optimistic or an overestimate? | 03:08 |
mefistofeles | metreo: most likely over estimated | 03:08 |
mefistofeles | data from countries with better testing have shown that it is much lower, even lower than 1% | 03:08 |
dunnp | 1% maybe | 03:08 |
metreo | OK thanks | 03:09 |
metreo | Really appreciate this channel | 03:09 |
mefistofeles | metreo: sure, no problem | 03:09 |
LjL | metreo, i think a somewhat defining thing of this disease is that, aside from death, it has a high rate of *hospitalization*. but that in turn affects mortality: if you can hospitalize everyone who needs it, then mortality will be much lower | 03:10 |
friedbat | that's an important point missed in quick analysis | 03:11 |
metreo | I read reports that 90% of those on respirators died | 03:11 |
friedbat | the moratality rate is endogenous to the hospital system. if your hospitals get overwhelemed your fatality rate rises (not enough icus or doctors) | 03:12 |
LjL | metreo, i've heard virtually every figure, first time i hear 90% | 03:12 |
LjL | anyway, "those on respirators" isn't the same as hospitalized | 03:12 |
metreo | As reported by Bloomberg | 03:12 |
LjL | well, as reported by not-bloomberg, i'll tell you it can be "as low" as 50% | 03:12 |
friedbat | getting put on a ventilator means you have a very extreme case of covid so your % death rate will be high | 03:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 new cases; Mexico infections surge by 1,223 → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 03:13 |
mefistofeles | for NYC it's around 80% iirc, and for germany it was around 70%... for italy it was probably larger because they were accidentally making a mistake by putting people in ventilators that didn't really needed them | 03:13 |
mefistofeles | and it turns out that positive high pressure (such as that from ventilators) worsens some of the conditions, inflammation being one of those | 03:14 |
metreo | ^^^ is the information I accessed as well | 03:15 |
friedbat | actually they have different types of vents | 03:15 |
LjL | but you said 90%? | 03:15 |
friedbat | older designs have less positive pressure | 03:15 |
metreo | Up to 90% so with rounding | 03:15 |
friedbat | and they seemed to do less alveolar damage | 03:15 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: yeah, the iron lungs | 03:15 |
mefistofeles | but they also have problems with accessibility to the patient in case of emergency | 03:16 |
mefistofeles | of even higher emergency, that is | 03:16 |
friedbat | i think i would refuse a ventilator | 03:16 |
LjL | that's not what "rounding" is | 03:16 |
friedbat | mefistofeles: yes. and even in the modern mechanical vents, different designs have different amounts of pressure | 03:17 |
metreo | Ok the article actually said nearly 90% and I said 90% the research article said 87% | 03:17 |
friedbat | and some have the ability to graduate that pressure | 03:17 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: they need that for ICUs ventilators, as a requirement, or that's what I understand | 03:18 |
rager | they all have the ability to adjust positive pressure | 03:19 |
rager | as well as tidal volume | 03:19 |
mefistofeles | LjL: I think they had that data for weeks, and were just waiting it to explode somewhere else :P | 03:19 |
metreo | Buffering their numbers | 03:19 |
rager | without that, every patient with severe enough disease to warrant intubation dies | 03:19 |
LjL | but then they gave up, apparently | 03:19 |
LjL | we took too long | 03:19 |
rager | when you put four patients on a vent, you lose a lot of the ability to tune for patient prognosis | 03:21 |
rager | nurses adjust the params on the vents periodically | 03:21 |
metreo | China's CFR is still only 5.5% | 03:21 |
mefistofeles | rager: also I heard that's commonly pretty bad, since they get infected with other kinds of things from the other patients | 03:21 |
rager | so places that have to multi-vent are probably seeing higher fatalities from that, too | 03:21 |
friedbat | metreo: china's numbers don't mean anything | 03:21 |
friedbat | rager: aha, that's an interesting point i hadn't considered! | 03:22 |
metreo | If they are misrepresenting their numbers questions will be asked | 03:22 |
friedbat | usually tidal volume is weight-based and then you have other things to consider | 03:22 |
metreo | Statistics can provide solid evidence | 03:22 |
friedbat | and with the demands on icu's it's not reasonable to think they put similar weight people on the shared vent etc | 03:23 |
rager | there are a lot of thresholds of "oh fuck" that we're seeing in the numbers | 03:23 |
friedbat | i rather get one of those cheepo DIY vents than a fancy multi-vent | 03:23 |
rager | like... when you run out of vents and multi-vent more people, that's a threshold | 03:23 |
rager | and when you really run out of vents and start refusing to vent patients with worse prognoses, that is another threshold | 03:24 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: that would just probably make you suffer more without ahving actual better chances to make it, imho | 03:24 |
rager | there are a bunch of things that probably don't happen in Germany that we're seeing in the worst-hit regions | 03:24 |
mefistofeles | rager: oh, that's a sure thing | 03:25 |
mefistofeles | in Italy they had patients sitting there just waiting to die, not even in NYC that happened, I think | 03:25 |
friedbat | rager: is that your hypothesis for the lower mortality rate? | 03:25 |
rager | yeah | 03:26 |
rager | now, here's the one that gets out on thinner branches: | 03:26 |
friedbat | ny authorities said nobody who needed a vent was denied one but their death numbers are worse than germany | 03:26 |
rager | this is caused by austerity and similar slim-down-the-system measures imposed in countries that either have poor worker protections or economies that have experienced shocks recently | 03:26 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: there are factors ont hat, one key is testing, so CFR is related to cases and that's directly related to testing. The other is the age group being hit, Germany started with 0.1% of death rate because the age group being hit first was rather young, specially compared to that of Italy | 03:28 |
mefistofeles | and also how countries are counting deaths, some count deahts outside hospitals and even just based on symptoms without testing, some do not | 03:28 |
friedbat | i'm not talking about cfr, but deaths per capita (to avoid testing issues) | 03:28 |
mefistofeles | friedbat: that doesn't avoid the testing issue, that doesn't say much | 03:29 |
mefistofeles | it's not as if countries that have more population should automatically show more deaths | 03:29 |
friedbat | i'm assuming, rightly or wrongly, a similar seroprevalence | 03:29 |
mefistofeles | yeah, that's why testing info is needed :P | 03:29 |
friedbat | between germany, france, switzerland, etc | 03:29 |
metreo | I think we are getting to large enough numbers that worrying about a few bad data points is being averaged out | 03:29 |
mefistofeles | and that shows seroprevalence varies quite a lot | 03:30 |
mefistofeles | for example Iceland or New Zealand or Norway | 03:30 |
mefistofeles | or Korea | 03:30 |
metreo | Vietnam, Thailand | 03:30 |
mefistofeles | or Thailand | 03:30 |
mefistofeles | yeah | 03:30 |
mefistofeles | it's all over the place, tbh | 03:30 |
metreo | Praying for India right now | 03:31 |
mefistofeles | Brazil is going for #1, USA doesn't want to let them take the lead | 03:31 |
mefistofeles | xD | 03:31 |
metreo | Praying for Brazil | 03:32 |
mefistofeles | Brazil and Mexico are really undertested, though they had some distancing measures sooner than USA in terms of the community spreading numbers | 03:33 |
Toadisattva | that's odd my local cononavirus page is down and how been for some time | 03:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Brazil deaths exceed known China toll as US infections pass 1 million → https://is.gd/HNcRAN | 03:34 |
Toadisattva | wonder if it's hax0rs | 03:35 |
mefistofeles | Toadisattva: logs? | 03:35 |
Toadisattva | maybe I didn't communicate that well, not on my local machine, the official page with the case counts for my local area I mean | 03:36 |
LjL | <friedbat> ny authorities said nobody who needed a vent was denied one but their death numbers are worse than germany ← Borrelli in his press conferences also repeatedly said it, i have plenty of written evidence | 03:40 |
LjL | how true do you deem that to be in italy? | 03:41 |
friedbat | in the case of NY though, they had empty ICU beds (Javitz Center, USNS Comfort, and others) | 03:42 |
friedbat | so there's documentation of idle resources | 03:42 |
friedbat | how true is it? who knows, politicians lie for living. so i don't know. | 03:43 |
LjL | if only idle resources amounted to plenty, Italy would have the resources for 2 ICU beds per capita | 03:43 |
LjL | just in case one is under maintenance when i need it | 03:44 |
friedbat | ok, i guess i withdraw my ny comment | 03:47 |
friedbat | i probably don't believe much about what the ny governor has claimed | 03:48 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 new cases; Mexico infections surge by 1,223 → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 04:02 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Brazil deaths exceed known China toll as US infections pass 1 million → https://is.gd/HNcRAN | 04:23 |
tinwhiskers | Derek Lowe's latest pipeline is about monoclonal antibodies and as usual a really informative read: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/27/monoclonal-antibodies-for-the-coronavirus (Monoclonal Antibodies for the Coronavirus | In the Pipeline) | 04:38 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 new cases; Mexico infections surge by 1,223 → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 04:45 |
LjL | %title https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lesterfeder/uganda-jails-lgbtq-people-coronavirus | 04:49 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From www.buzzfeednews.com: Coronavirus: Uganda Uses Social Distancing Rules To Raid LGBTQ Shelter And Jail Residents | 04:49 |
LjL | ... and deny them access to an attorney, and beat them up for a TV station to show | 04:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Nearly 70 dead at Massachusetts veterans' home as US cases pass 1 million → https://is.gd/HNcRAN | 04:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Moscow City, Russia: +14486 cases (now 48426), +191 deaths (now 479) since 5 days ago — Sao Paulo, Brazil: +7301 cases (now 24041), +704 deaths (now 2049) since 5 days ago — Lima, Peru: +5748 cases (now 20048), +91 deaths (now 358) since 5 days ago | 05:22 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 05:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Nearly 70 dead at Massachusetts veterans' home as US cases pass 1 million → https://is.gd/HNcRAN | 05:55 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: attorney general labels Chinese ambassador's response 'largely emotional' – latest news → https://is.gd/3vrhIg | 06:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:25 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 06:30 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:47 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: attorney general labels Chinese ambassador's response 'largely emotional' – latest news: Christian Porter comments on Cheng Jingye’s reaction to coronavirus inquiry call, while federal government offers to bring forward private school funding if face-to-face teaching resumes by [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3vrhIg | 06:58 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Guidelines call for 14-day drop in cases to reopen. No state has met them. (10380 votes) | https://redd.it/g9zkq8 | 07:05 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:06 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/YTF3CX | 07:19 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:20 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 07:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:27 UTC: AI can't solve this: The coronavirus could be highlighting just how overhyped the industry is: Artificial intelligence has been hailed as a monumental technology that will change the world, but coronavirus is showing that it is still in its infancy. → https://is.gd/XfYkeo | 07:40 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:40 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: attorney general labels Chinese ambassador's response 'largely emotional' – latest news: Christian Porter comments on Cheng Jingye’s reaction to coronavirus inquiry call, while federal government offers to bring forward private school funding if face-to-face teaching resumes by [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3vrhIg | 07:47 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:51 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 07:54 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 06:07 UTC: nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 29APR20 → https://is.gd/SQjYUe | 08:09 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:10 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: attorney general labels Chinese ambassador's response 'largely emotional' – latest news: Christian Porter comments on Cheng Jingye’s reaction to coronavirus inquiry call, while federal government offers to bring forward private school funding if face-to-face teaching resumes by [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3vrhIg | 08:16 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:24 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: twelfth death at Sydney's Newmarch House – latest news: Christian Porter comments on Cheng Jingye’s reaction to coronavirus inquiry call, while federal government offers to bring forward private school funding if face-to-face teaching resumes by June. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3vrhIg | 08:37 |
pyna | soothing bot checkins | 08:48 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 06:49 UTC: nCoV: Female hormones could be a saving grace for males from COVID-19 → https://is.gd/yATzLZ | 08:51 |
friedbat | cures covid-19, side effects include: breast development, higher pitched voice, and less facial hair | 09:02 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:57 UTC: Business: Markets at seven-week high despite rising cost of Covid-19 crisis - business live → https://is.gd/lEPrgV | 09:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Gelderland, Netherlands: +4000 cases (now 4926) since 8 days ago — Limburg, Netherlands: +3047 cases (now 3990) since 8 days ago — Overijssel, Netherlands: +2197 cases (now 2640) since 8 days ago | 09:08 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 07:05 UTC: Quarantena dopo due mesi: Scrivo questo post per sapere come sta andando la quarantena dopo quasi due mesi. → https://is.gd/O9rgVz | 09:12 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:16 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: 12th death at Sydney's Newmarch House – latest news: Christian Porter comments on Cheng Jingye’s reaction to coronavirus inquiry call, while federal government offers to bring forward private school funding if face-to-face teaching resumes by June. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3vrhIg | 09:19 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:30 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 09:33 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 07:33 UTC: nCoV: Centenarian, 1918 flu survivor escapes coronavirus, earning reputation as having ‘Superhuman DNA’ → https://is.gd/RYMV5k | 09:40 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre Eravate Via → https://is.gd/OcKBt9 | 09:47 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Milano → https://is.gd/kk8BCf | 09:54 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: India → https://is.gd/lehxPe | 10:01 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:04 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 10:08 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +5841 cases (now 99399), +105 deaths (now 972) since a day ago — Singapore: +690 cases (now 15641) since a day ago — Armenia: +65 cases (now 1932) since a day ago | 10:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Sport → https://is.gd/Mz2jno | 10:15 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:19 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/bdqepC | 10:22 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:29 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Asia → https://is.gd/OAGj87 | 10:29 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Priti Patel faces questions over Home Office response to Covid-19 crisis → https://is.gd/zUf3Ql | 10:37 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/Ti9Iqn | 10:44 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:55 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 10:58 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mondo → https://is.gd/K4aE20 | 11:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Tecnologia → https://is.gd/iXu6Ww | 11:12 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 09:19 UTC: Come riconoscere una mascherina chirurgica: Vivo in Sicilia, qui fino a un paio di settimane fa non si trovavano mascherine di qualsiasi tipo neanche a pagarle oro. Ora si cominciano a trovare sia in farmacia che al supermercato diversi tipi di mascherine, alcune esteticamente uguali a quelle chirurgiche ma che [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Ui0Xpe | 11:27 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:33 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Scienza → https://is.gd/WhWCBK | 11:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:36 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/2K9Ikq | 11:41 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:44 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Australia to start widespread testing, China set to hold delayed annual meeting: Australia is set to begin widespread testing after securing 10 million Covid-19 test kits, and will expand testing this week to those who are not showing symptoms. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 11:48 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson and fiancee announce birth of baby; Raab to take PMQs → https://is.gd/zUf3Ql | 11:55 |
mefistofeles | %t https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054502v2 very interesting one | 12:00 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.medrxiv.org: Exposure to air pollution and COVID-19 mortality in the United States: A nationwide cross-sectional study | medRxiv | 12:00 |
mefistofeles | though, not really sure how they separate that from the fact that just big cities are being hit hard, for obvious reasons (population, density, more contacts, etc.) | 12:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Zimbabwe → https://is.gd/0VYjDD | 12:02 |
mefistofeles | and considering that big cities are commonly the ones with the worse air quality in terms of PM2.5 | 12:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:07 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/H2F8Rv | 12:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia nears grim milestone of 100,000 cases; Spain sees daily death rate rise again → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 12:17 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 10:21 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Mascherine a 0,50€, Lo Stato Taglia Fuori Dal Mercato Molte Imprese Che Hanno Riconvertito La Produzione → https://is.gd/b3r4xR | 12:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:25 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Scienza → https://www.reddit.com/live/14j9ahk259h93/updates/cf45d460-8a03-11ea-be1c-0e32440fd5bd | 12:31 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia nears grim milestone of 100,000 cases; Spain sees daily death rate rise again → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 12:38 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:39 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Lussemburgo → https://is.gd/8dEl5T | 12:45 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:47 UTC: A.I. can't solve this: The coronavirus could be highlighting just how overhyped the industry is: Artificial intelligence has been hailed as a monumental technology that will change the world, but coronavirus is showing that it is still in its infancy. → https://is.gd/XfYkeo | 12:52 |
term99 | %data ohio | 12:55 |
Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there are 16769 total cases (0.1% of the population) and 799 deaths (4.8% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 122706 tests were performed (13.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ohio for time series data. | 12:55 |
Urchin | %data croatia | 12:57 |
Brainstorm | Urchin: In all areas, Croatia, there are 2047 total cases (0.1% of the population) and 63 deaths (3.1% of cases) as of 10 minutes ago. 33577 tests were performed (6.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 12:57 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:57 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa per pranzo → https://is.gd/KaVYor | 12:59 |
bluedog | %cases World | 13:02 |
Brainstorm | bluedog: In all areas, worldwide, there are 3.2 million total cases (0.0% of the population) and 218614 deaths (6.9% of cases) as of 12 minutes ago. 30.5 million tests were performed (10.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 18.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=worldwide for time series data. | 13:02 |
AimHere | What makes Brainstorm here think that only 2/3 cases are undetected? | 13:06 |
mefistofeles | AimHere: it was a rough initial estimate, not really well founded now | 13:13 |
mefistofeles | afaics | 13:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia nears grim milestone of 100,000 cases; Spain sees daily death rate rise again → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 13:20 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:24 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Russia → https://is.gd/Srr1Qn | 13:27 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/XoVAgK | 13:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Raab faces Starmer at PMQs, as Boris Johnson and fiancee announce birth of baby → https://is.gd/zUf3Ql | 13:48 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/NdYgD0 | 14:02 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:02 UTC: Russia nears grim milestone of 100,000 cases; Spain sees daily death rate rise again: Russia's crisis response center reported 99,939 cases of the coronavirus on Wednesday and Spain has seen its daily number of deaths rise again. → https://is.gd/fLGm28 | 14:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:12 UTC: (news): LabCorp swings to a loss, withdraws 2020 guidance as coronavirus outbreak drives up costs → https://is.gd/ZZwzYh | 14:16 |
hirogen | +Feed[bot]> [MX] Virus syndrome also found in French children, minister says → https://j.mp/2zJwwCh | 14:20 |
hirogen | <+Feed[bot]> [MX] As lockdowns ease, health officials urge virus vigilance → https://j.mp/2W85Q5v | 14:20 |
hirogen | <+Feed[bot]> [MX] US govt reveals details of sunlight study on virus → https://j.mp/2YhpG0M | 14:20 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GE warns of Q2 financial hit, Russia approaches 100,000 cases → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 14:23 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - App Immuni → https://is.gd/9ieQYn | 14:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:42 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures soar on positive data about a possible Gilead Sciences coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/S2RvmC | 14:44 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GE warns of Q2 financial hit, Russia approaches 100,000 cases → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 14:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +4771 cases (now 236899), +453 deaths (now 24275) since a day ago — Moscow City, Russia: +2220 cases (now 50646), +67 deaths (now 546) since 9 hours ago — Saudi Arabia: +1325 cases (now 21402) since 22 hours ago | 15:05 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: No COVID-19 bailouts for firms that use tax havens, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says (10176 votes) | https://redd.it/ga12kg | 15:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:10 UTC: (news): Gilead says early results of coronavirus drug trial show improvement with shorter remdesivir treatment → https://is.gd/9vVNuk | 15:13 |
peterx[m] | %cases india | 15:20 |
Brainstorm | peterx[m]: In all areas, India, there are 31332 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 1008 deaths (3.2% of cases) as of 2 minutes ago. 770764 tests were performed (4.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 11.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 15:20 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:33 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giappone → https://is.gd/IAhr1A | 15:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:39 UTC: Gilead says early results of coronavirus drug trial show improvement with shorter remdesivir treatment: Gilead Sciences said Wednesday preliminary results of a coronavirus drug trial showed at least 50% of patients treated with a 5-day dosage of antiviral drug remdesivir improved. → https://is.gd/9vVNuk | 15:41 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gilead sees 'positive data' for remdesivir, US GDP shrank 4.8% in the first quarter → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 15:48 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Sud Africa → https://is.gd/8pyB2Z | 16:02 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: LabCorp posts loss as pandemic boosts costs; US GDP shrank 4.8% in the first quarter → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 16:10 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:17 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Europa - Trasporto → https://is.gd/RkYSWr | 16:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:23 UTC: Coronavirus testing chief says 'no way on Earth' US can test 5 million a day, despite what Trump says: A Harvard University study published last week said the U.S. would need to ramp up testing capacity to at least 5 million tests a day by early June to reopen the economy. → https://is.gd/WTgmVi | 16:31 |
mefistofeles | woah, 5 million a day seems very unlikely, unless they use some kind of really fast and inaccurate test, but even then | 16:33 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:36 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/HfWfkh | 16:38 |
iz | %cases us | 16:39 |
Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, US, there are 1.0 million total cases (0.3% of the population) and 59329 deaths (5.7% of cases) as of 10 minutes ago. 5.9 million tests were performed (17.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 16:39 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: LabCorp posts loss as pandemic boosts costs; US GDP shrank 4.8% in the first quarter → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 16:45 |
LjL | https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200429007051320 | 16:51 |
LjL | > The committee further said it is virtually impossible for the virus to be reactivated unless the COVID-19 virus causes chronic infections. | 16:51 |
LjL | Bit of a truism this | 16:51 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/LskAjM | 16:52 |
LjL | > "The COVID-19 virus does not invade inside of the cell nucleus and combine with a patient's DNA," Oh said. "It means that the virus does not create chronic infections." Oh further said the COVID-19 virus is different from diseases such as HIV and hepatitis B in which the virus stays dormant inside of a cell nucleus and later causes chronic infection. | 16:52 |
LjL | Bit of a falsehood this | 16:52 |
LjL | HSV does not invade nuclei and does not combine with cell DNA | 16:52 |
LjL | But it's chronic anyway for other reasons | 16:53 |
LjL | To be fair the article also does hint that they've tested the fragments and found them not viable... Not very clearly but it does suggest that | 16:53 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Starmer says country risks 'falling behind' if government does not publish exit plan → https://is.gd/zUf3Ql | 16:59 |
mefistofeles | LjL: I'd assume they say that with enough evidence in their hands, specially the part of the virus not entering the nucleus, which is the case unless there's really some unknown huge deal of biology going on ... which is not likely | 17:01 |
LjL | of course it doesn't enter the nucleus | 17:01 |
LjL | what i'm saying is that it is false to assert that *because* it doesn't enter the nuclus, "it means that the virus does not create chronic infections" | 17:01 |
LjL | HSV also does not enter the nucleus, yet creates chronic infections | 17:02 |
LjL | being a retrovirus is not the only way that can happen | 17:02 |
LjL | so that's simply a stated inaccuracy | 17:02 |
mefistofeles | LjL: yes, that's why HSV is not a good example here, because sars-cov-2 isn't a retrovirus | 17:05 |
LjL | ... neither is HSV | 17:05 |
mefistofeles | ah, ok, I understand what you said, it was a bit confusing but got it | 17:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:00 UTC: Coronavirus testing chief says 'no way on Earth' US can test 5 million a day, despite what Trump says: A Harvard University study published last week said the U.S. would need to ramp up testing capacity to at least 5 million tests a day by early June to reopen the economy. → https://is.gd/WTgmVi | 17:06 |
mefistofeles | "being a retrovirus" I thought you were referring there to HSV | 17:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2506 cases (now 1038271), +172 deaths (now 59438) since 11 hours ago — Maryland, US: +736 cases (now 20849), +62 deaths (now 1078) since a day ago — Virginia, US: +622 cases (now 14961) since a day ago | 17:06 |
LjL | sometimes things are confusing on more than one end | 17:07 |
mefistofeles | LjL: but HSV is a dsDNA virus, so that also makes it pretty different | 17:08 |
mefistofeles | the transcribing machinery is in the nucleus | 17:09 |
LjL | well, that's irrelevant since it's not covered in the article | 17:09 |
LjL | the article makes an implication | 17:09 |
LjL | "does not enter the nucleus (aka being a retrovirus) → does not become chronic" | 17:09 |
LjL | this is just false, and that is what i was pointing out | 17:09 |
LjL | anything else may be true but also not relevant | 17:09 |
mefistofeles | sure | 17:10 |
mefistofeles | it should've been worded differently | 17:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC begins antibody testing for frontliners; US pending home sales tank → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 17:13 |
mefistofeles | LjL: I think not only retrovirus can enter the nucleus, btw. Also I've seen already different wordings for what Oh said, here is a better one http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200429000724 | 17:18 |
mefistofeles | all of them quoting him, but with different sentences xD | 17:18 |
mefistofeles | I don't see why “The process in which COVID-19 produces a new virus takes place only in host cells and does not infiltrate the nucleus. This means it does not cause chronic infection or recurrence,” is a wrong implication, tbh | 17:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | my own covid statistics germany based on RKI official data: https://i.imgur.com/FRK2kDn.png | 17:20 |
Albright | Change.org petition for the dropkicking of Tedros has reached over 1 million signatures: https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-call-for-the-resignation-of-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general | 17:21 |
Albright | Of course internet petitions are always very relevant and invariably bring about the desired change | 17:21 |
mefistofeles | Albright: that petition is a bit crazy, mixing many things together | 17:23 |
mefistofeles | specially that last paragraph | 17:23 |
mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: have you check the correlation with the official data for the R value? | 17:27 |
mefistofeles | not even sure if one can get actual data on that, tbh | 17:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | me neither | 17:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so the answer is 'no' :-) | 17:28 |
mefistofeles | ok | 17:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | but my stats show a 0.7 for today, where my "today" is prolly RKI's "2 weeks ago" | 17:29 |
mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: it seems off comparing it by eye with the official figure they presented last week | 17:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 17:29 |
mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: ok | 17:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | first of all my curve of newcases is based on date_of_reporting (JHU-style method) while RKI prolly uses date_of_infection guesstimate | 17:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | then RKI applies nowcasting for guesstimating the true numbers of infections of last dozen days | 17:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I can tell one thing: "my" R_eff seems to better predict the case numbers of tomorrow than what RKI publishes for their R_eff | 17:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:33 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/21FpwA | 17:34 |
mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: how are you predicting? | 17:35 |
mefistofeles | active cases * R_eff ? | 17:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm looking at "newcases(today) and multiply by my R_eff | 17:36 |
mefistofeles | ah yes, that may be better | 17:36 |
mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: but without error bars that can be all over the place :P | 17:37 |
mefistofeles | that means, it may be exact but not precise | 17:38 |
mefistofeles | so it depends on what you are aiming for | 17:38 |
mefistofeles | it's known there's a strong correlation between current new cases and future cases, and if you use that you should get good results in average, but maybe not for confidence intervals | 17:39 |
mefistofeles | anyways, have to go now, we may continue this later | 17:40 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC begins antibody testing for frontliners; US pending home sales tank → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 17:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as usual find the whole bunch at Xhttp://maemo.cloud-7.de/et_al/covid/covid19work/, use "edit - links to external files..." in LO calc to adjust location of your csv, run ./run_statistics.sh in linux shell | 17:47 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 29 Aprile → https://is.gd/NruBn4 | 17:48 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, il bollettino della Protezione civile (29 aprile) - Open → https://is.gd/UPiAIP | 17:55 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC begins antibody testing for frontliners; US pending home sales tank → https://is.gd/QUCQOe | 18:02 |
oxalis | \o/ ! Cheap real estate! | 18:03 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Milano → https://is.gd/jRgJyo | 18:17 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +2086 cases (now 203591), +323 deaths (now 27682) since a day ago — US: +1962 cases (now 1040233), +381 deaths (now 59819) since an hour ago — Chile: +520 cases (now 14885) since a day ago | 18:22 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 16:22 UTC: Aggiornamento 29/04: submitted by /u/maikk_ to r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA → https://is.gd/q59ED5 | 18:24 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:25 UTC: (news): Gilead says early results of coronavirus drug trial show improvement with shorter remdesivir treatment → https://is.gd/9vVNuk | 18:31 |
ubLXI | ^ anyone looked into Gilead's new statements yet? | 18:32 |
ubLXI | kinda looks like nonsense to me | 18:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +2936 cases (now 117589), +89 deaths (now 3081) since a day ago | 18:37 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:34 UTC: (news): Dr. Anthony Fauci says data from remdesivir coronavirus drug trial shows 'quite good news' → https://is.gd/p2AX8Q | 18:38 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +5484 cases (now 1045717), +264 deaths (now 60083) since 38 minutes ago — New York, US: +3636 cases (now 305086) since 38 minutes ago — Texas, US: +692 cases (now 26863) since a day ago | 18:52 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:47 UTC: Coronavirus testing chief says 'no way on Earth' US can test 5 million a day, despite what Trump says: A Harvard University study published last week said the U.S. would need to ramp up testing capacity to at least 5 million tests a day by early June to reopen the economy. → https://is.gd/WTgmVi | 18:52 |
Tramtrist | I just watched fauci talk about remdesevir .. do we have some hope now? | 18:54 |
phantomcircuit | Tramtrist, it might help but it's probably not a miracle cure; if it was they would have stopped the human trials and would be giving it to everybody on compassionate use grounds | 18:56 |
Tramtrist | They did announce something about emergency use being officially allowed from now | 18:57 |
Tramtrist | or soon from now | 18:57 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:55 UTC: Health: PM's baby can help ease coronavirus pregnancy fears, says top doctor → https://is.gd/3ffS6y | 18:59 |
ubLXI | Tramtrist: what did you watch? gpt a link? | 19:06 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/NEKPvQ | 19:06 |
Tramtrist | https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/29/gilead-coronavirus-remdesivir-220484 | 19:08 |
Tramtrist | This article specifically mentions emergency use | 19:08 |
Tramtrist | specifically https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1255486045413662720?s=20 | 19:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:11 UTC: /u/slakmehl: U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests - The New York Times → https://is.gd/sVlPfU | 19:13 |
ubLXI | frustrating to hear Fauci describe a "very important proof of concept" without access to data to see for ourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HujdC7s3tM | 19:16 |
Tramtrist | sounded like it was coming soon | 19:16 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/f7BtbV | 19:20 |
ubLXI | nice that he frames it that way, though, rather than Gilead's less restrained language | 19:21 |
Tramtrist | seems not insignificant | 19:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +4076 cases (now 165221), +4419 deaths (now 26097) since 22 hours ago — US: +709 cases (now 1046426) since 34 minutes ago — Louisiana, US: +374 cases (now 27660) since a day ago | 19:22 |
LjL | i don't follow... what's being released, what's not, what does it have to do with market concerns... | 19:25 |
LjL | also, what's up with the UK | 19:26 |
LjL | +4419 deaths certainly doesn't look normal. is there a special release of nursing home deaths, or non-hospital deaths, or something? | 19:26 |
blkshp | They added the care home and community deaths today, yes | 19:26 |
LjL | ah | 19:27 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:23 UTC: Coronavirus testing chief says 'no way on Earth' US can test 5 million a day, despite what Trump says: A Harvard University study published last week said the U.S. would need to ramp up testing capacity to at least 5 million tests a day by early June to reopen the economy. → https://is.gd/WTgmVi | 19:27 |
Arsanerit | 5 million a day sounds ambitious | 19:29 |
Arsanerit | Germany aims for 4.5 million a week | 19:29 |
LjL | when China does things like this (the one done in the UK), many people go "ah! they were hiding numbers! we cannot possibly believe anything they say now" | 19:29 |
LjL | when it's down in the west, it's more like "finally they included them" | 19:30 |
LjL | done* | 19:30 |
Arsanerit | is it? | 19:30 |
Arsanerit | some people make the same hiding claims for western govts | 19:30 |
LjL | well i definitely see some inconsistency in reactions among some people | 19:30 |
LjL | i'm sure there are people who somehow believe that things are not so different | 19:31 |
genera | what .. did they in UK? | 19:31 |
kreyren | Covid-19 has two types of ARDS? https://youtu.be/qoJ4VDaGSfY?t=60 | 19:32 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:30 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Grecia → https://is.gd/OnR811 | 19:34 |
LjL | genera, blkshp said what they did | 19:35 |
genera | oh sri. i somehow thought he meant .it | 19:36 |
Mikaela | %cases Mexico | 19:37 |
Brainstorm | Mikaela: In all areas, Mexico, there are 16752 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 1569 deaths (9.4% of cases) as of 3 minutes ago. 77005 tests were performed (21.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 3.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 12.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 19:37 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2408 cases (now 1048834), +383 deaths (now 60495) since 22 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +2408 cases (now 116264), +328 deaths (now 6770) since a day ago — Pakistan: +236 cases (now 15525) since 4 hours ago | 19:37 |
Tramtrist | %cases kentucky | 19:39 |
Brainstorm | Tramtrist: In Kentucky, US, there are 4375 total cases (0.1% of the population) and 225 deaths (5.1% of cases) as of 5 minutes ago. 52411 tests were performed (8.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Kentucky for time series data. | 19:39 |
LjL | kreyren, first time i hear of the two types of ARDS (but it's not like i'd hear about it since i can't read a CT scan and appreciate the difference until i'm told), but there's definitely been a lot of talk about blood clotting and other blood vessel disorders related to COVID-19 | 19:42 |
LjL | which honestly i haven't followed enough, i've had a bit of "COVID fatigue" in the past few days | 19:42 |
kreyren | LjL, ty for info | 19:42 |
Tramtrist | you're in the wrong channel LjL :D | 19:43 |
LjL | Tramtrist, or i've been in the right channel for a bit too long | 19:44 |
LjL | even though i kind of fixate on things, and this is something that's easy to fixate on, at some point if you only ever think about one thing, the brain will say "enough" | 19:44 |
Tramtrist | yes | 19:45 |
LjL | so i've not even been lucking at the numbers much | 19:45 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:45 UTC: /u/slakmehl: UK turned down offer of 10,000 tests a day four weeks ago | World news | The Guardian → https://is.gd/T0HvQ9 | 19:48 |
Tramtrist | what the | 19:49 |
LjL | hmm well, it looks like an unusual test | 19:50 |
LjL | for all i know there may have been decent reasons to shun it | 19:51 |
LjL | it says "Early studies in the US, including one by Yale University, have found the saliva test to be as accurate - if not more so - than the nasal swab test and some scientists have hailed it as “game-changing”." | 19:51 |
LjL | so, maybe not. but still, it's a saliva test while normally they make a point of going deep into the nose to be as sure to find viral RNA as possible | 19:51 |
LjL | "The two-minute test is self-administered and can be used at home without supervision, removing the need for potential Covid-19 victims to drive to testing facilities." | 19:52 |
LjL | this seems good, but i find it hard to belive a rapid test you can do yourself at home can offer the same degree of confidence as a hospital-administered test | 19:52 |
LjL | "When we compared SARS-CoV-2 detection from patient-matched nasopharyngeal and saliva samples, we found that saliva yielded greater detection sensitivity and consistency throughout the course of infection. Furthermore, we report less variability in self-sample collection of saliva. Taken together, our findings demonstrate that saliva is a viable and more sensitive alternative to nasopharyngeal swabs and could enable at-home self-administered sample | 19:53 |
LjL | collection for accurate large-scale SARS-CoV-2 testing." | 19:53 |
LjL | so if this study is right, they were idiots not to buy them | 19:53 |
genera | they also talk about testing all of the U.S. populaton, sending a few million spit tests to a central station | 19:53 |
LjL | but also, considering they only started listing deaths outside of hospitals today, i *could* think of nasty ulterior motives | 19:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:52 UTC: Coronavirus testing chief says 'no way on Earth' US can test 5 million a day, despite what Trump says: A Harvard University study published last week said the U.S. would need to ramp up testing capacity to at least 5 million tests a day by early June to reopen the economy. → https://is.gd/WTgmVi | 19:55 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Belgians urged to eat fries twice a week as coronavirus creates massive potato surplus (10000 votes) | https://redd.it/g9s79t | 19:55 |
LjL | pfffft with this fries thing, don't know how many times i've seen it by now, who cares | 19:57 |
Butterfly^ | https://imgur.com/gallery/2ajAUzo U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Far Higher Than Reported? Craaaaaap! | 19:59 |
LjL | Butterfly^, yes, we have articles with those graphs in the topic link | 20:01 |
LjL | it's definitely higher than reported and not just in the US | 20:01 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:59 UTC: (news): Dr. Anthony Fauci says Gilead's remdesivir will set a new 'standard of care' for coronavirus treatment → https://is.gd/p2AX8Q | 20:02 |
Butterfly^ | LjL : sorry, i'm in about 50 channels, of which like 20 are discussing corona on a daily basis, it's hard to keep track what's been said where :) | 20:03 |
LjL | well it's okay, i don't think anyone but me checks those links | 20:05 |
nixonix | critic against santa clara antibody survey fiasco, and other antibody testing information: https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/how-not-to-do-an-antibody-survey-for-sars-cov-2-67488 | 20:14 |
nixonix | %title | 20:14 |
Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.the-scientist.com: How (Not) to Do an Antibody Survey for SARS-CoV-2 | The Scientist Magazine® | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | nixonix: hah yeah, that stanford study really blew | 20:14 |
mefistofeles | LjL: hah, not true | 20:15 |
mefistofeles | but yeah, I wish more people checked those | 20:15 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:09 UTC: Business: Fed leaves US interest rates at record lows as Covid-19 causes 'tremendous hardship' - business live → https://is.gd/lEPrgV | 20:16 |
Tramtrist | i hope you all ran out and got your pepcid ac | 20:16 |
mefistofeles | Tramtrist: what? | 20:17 |
genera | the c-peptid ? | 20:17 |
Tramtrist | https://www.businessinsider.com/heartburn-medicine-pepcid-shortages-famotidine-studied-coronavirus-covid-treatment-2020-4 | 20:19 |
genera | ah | 20:19 |
LjL | nixonix, what's your opinion of the NY one? | 20:23 |
mefistofeles | Tramtrist: best treatments are probably outlined here https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/27/monoclonal-antibodies-for-the-coronavirus | 20:24 |
tinwhiskers | ubLXI: I agree. The Gilead results look highly suspicious. That the 5 day treatment is giving better results than the 10 day treatment is a sure sign that the good news is statistical chance. They are just trying to pump their stock value. | 20:26 |
ubLXI | tinwhiskers: but in contrast to Gilead's, the NIAID remdesivir study results look set to be much more interesting | 20:30 |
LjL | ubLXI, is it out yet or do we only have the teaser statement | 20:30 |
ubLXI | looked an hour ago; only the teaser, as far as i could see | 20:30 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:28 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Medicina → https://is.gd/bjEAjf | 20:30 |
tinwhiskers | Add to that lack of control and that their other experiment only "met it's main goal" (nice way of saying showed nothing) and I don't think it's looking good for remdisivir. | 20:31 |
tinwhiskers | ubLXI: let's hope so | 20:31 |
LjL | wait, i agree mostly, but how is "meeting your main goal" equivalent to showing nothing | 20:31 |
LjL | that's pretty much the definition of what a study considers success when it is designed | 20:32 |
tinwhiskers | You don't use those type of words to describe a successful experiment in my experience | 20:32 |
tinwhiskers | That sounds exactly like positive spin on an unsuccessful experiment to me but maybe I'm wrong | 20:33 |
ubLXI | that was my suspicion, tinwhiskers | 20:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Per essere chiari, Dr Fauci non è ottimista specificamente su Remdesivir, ma sulle possibilità che il farmaco mostra, che lui trova simile alla scoperta di antivirali contro HIV : Non erano completamente efficaci all'inizio, ma grazie a quel studio le terapie sono migliorati rapidamente negli [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/lRWRUJ | 20:37 |
LjL | %more | 20:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL, don't keep calling this if there's nothing to show! Check the pastebin. | 20:38 |
LjL | Brainstorm, get stuffed | 20:38 |
ubLXI | that they were spinning, i mean, not that you were wrong, haha | 20:38 |
LjL | %tr Per essere chiari, Dr Fauci non è ottimista specificamente su Remdesivir, ma sulle possibilità che il farmaco mostra, che lui trova simile alla scoperta di antivirali contro HIV : Non erano completamente efficaci all'inizio, ma grazie a quel studio le terapie sono migliorati rapidamente | 20:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: To be clear, Dr Fauci is not optimistic specifically about Remdesivir, but about the possibilities that the drug shows, which he finds similar to the discovery of antivirals against HIV: They were not completely effective in the beginning, but thanks to that study the therapies improved rapidly (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 20:38 |
LjL | %tr Infatti secondo il report, il farmaco mostra una riduzione statisticamente irrilevante riguardo il numero di decessi, ma una riduzione significativa della durata dei sintomi nelle persone guarite | 20:39 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: In fact, according to the report, the drug shows a statistically insignificant reduction in the number of deaths, but a significant reduction in the duration of symptoms in the people healed (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 20:39 |
nixonix | LjL: ny antibody testing? we dont know much about how its done, so we can make calculations based on their results (because not much else is available currently, from high prevalence areas like nyc), but they might be way off. i wonder why see all that trouble and not do it right. i guess they are politically motivated, either to show they are doing something, or to have support for something they are planning to do | 20:41 |
tinwhiskers | My guess is this experiment got statistically lucky based on the 5 day treatment faring better than the 10 day treatment. It's not exactly a spectacular result. | 20:42 |
Arsanerit | Why oh why did we make all our summer vacation bookings in January and February? | 20:45 |
ubLXI | tinwhiskers: there was also this quote from statnews, relating to Gilead's non-controlled study: "Eight percent of the patients treated with five days of remdesivir died, compared to 11% of the patients treated for 10 days." | 20:46 |
tinwhiskers | Hrm | 20:47 |
ubLXI | exactly | 20:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:39 UTC: Business: Federal Reserve leaves US interest rates at record lows amid Covid-19 hardship - business live → https://is.gd/lEPrgV | 20:51 |
LjL | nixonix, i thought something along those lines. Italy is testing 150000 people and i'm glad they've spent some times selecting good tests (they were aiming for 95% and 98%, i don't remember which one specificity and which one sensitivity) and a representative sample... but now they're getting a bit *too* much delayed, imo. if they did it within the original timeframe it could be one of the earliest such tests in the world... as in, executed properly | 20:52 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:53 UTC: (news): Prosecutors oppose Martin Shkreli's coronavirus early prison release bid, call him 'delusional,' greedy → https://is.gd/e9iCrV | 20:58 |
nixonix | their goal is antibody treatment. but we would really need information on share of mild cases, nonsymptomatic, kids etc to adjust policies and control measures. now swedish epidemiologists think there is 50-100x more infected people than even decent testing amounts catch, and IFR 0.1-0.2% max, and some national health care officials seem to buy all this | 21:01 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Costco to require all shoppers to wear face masks (10070 votes) | https://redd.it/gaaddf | 21:01 |
mefistofeles | nixonix: the Sweden case is interesting, they are probably trying to justify the measures that led to deads compared to neighbors with similar conditions, I guess | 21:03 |
mefistofeles | *deaths | 21:03 |
mefistofeles | now, this doesn't mean these deaths were necessarily avoidable, that's yet to be seen | 21:03 |
LjL | nixonix, i find that rather unlikely | 21:03 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Paris 'exiles' told to return when lockdown ends, as Sweden passes 20,000 confirmed cases → https://is.gd/HNcRAN | 21:06 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 19:05 UTC: Science: First treatment for SARS-CoV-2 shortens recovery time → https://is.gd/L71jvf | 21:13 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:17 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/XxmWCY | 21:20 |
Butterfly^ | https://i.imgur.com/HBnFRew.jpg | 21:25 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/mQeJ8V | 21:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:46 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/unb0Dh | 21:48 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3369 cases (now 1052203), +262 deaths (now 60757) since 2 hours ago — Illinois, US: +2253 cases (now 50355), +90 deaths (now 2215) since a day ago — Brazil: +1258 cases (now 74493), +75 deaths (now 5158) since 16 hours ago | 21:53 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: A domani → https://is.gd/Bb32LW | 22:02 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:09 UTC: Coronavirus halts climate research and raises fears of long-term hit to science budgets: From delaying Arctic expeditions to canceling vital global climate conferences, the coronavirus pandemic has hindered global progress on fighting climate change and threatens effective natural disaster forecasting as hurricane [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/qL0sYl | 22:16 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:17 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Coronavirus updates: U.S. death toll tops 60,000 as labs race for a vaccine → https://is.gd/N8vvx6 | 22:23 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump says distancing guidelines will 'fade out' as US deaths pass 60,000 → https://is.gd/xJXCyV | 22:37 |
Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3100 cases (now 1055303), +355 deaths (now 61112) since 52 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1963 cases (now 60265), +252 deaths (now 3405) since a day ago — India: +1275 cases (now 33062), +71 deaths (now 1079) since 5 hours ago | 22:38 |
tinwhiskers | Top 20 fastest increasing cases: http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ecuador;Bangladesh;Qatar;Mexico;Belarus;Peru;Russia;Brazil;Saudi%20Arabia;India;Singapore;Pakistan;Ukraine;Egypt;United%20Arab%20Emirates;Colombia;South%20Africa;Indonesia;Chile;Canada; | 22:46 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:37 UTC: JD Wetherspoon plans to reopen pubs in June: After Tim Martin’s scepticism over lockdown, boss has upbeat message for investors → https://is.gd/VCoMzf | 22:51 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Sao Paulo, Brazil: +2117 cases (now 26158), +198 deaths (now 2247) since 17 hours ago — Santa Catarina, Brazil: +519 cases (now 1995) since 17 hours ago — Pernambuco, Brazil: +470 cases (now 6194) since 17 hours ago | 22:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:57 UTC: FDA in 'ongoing' talks with Gilead to make remdesivir available to coronavirus patients 'as quickly as possible': The Food and Drug Administration has been in "sustained and ongoing" discussions with Gilead Sciences to make antiviral drug remdesivir available to Covid-19 patients "as quickly as possible, as [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/DteFnL | 23:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Brazil: +3669 cases (now 78162), +308 deaths (now 5466) since an hour ago — Peru: +2741 cases (now 33931), +89 deaths (now 943) since 23 hours ago | 23:08 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:28 UTC: (news): Dr. Anthony Fauci says Gilead's remdesivir will set a new 'standard of care' for coronavirus treatment → https://is.gd/p2AX8Q | 23:34 |
LjL | i have the feeling if Italy re-opens but not to the extent of allowing people to go to mountains or sea in the summer, cities will have much more electricity use than usual from air conditioning, without the grid being otherwise freed up by factories and stores being closed. and even if the grid can manage the load, local transformers may not, so i hope we don't have outages all over the place | 23:37 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump says distancing guidelines will 'fade out' as US deaths pass 60,000 → https://is.gd/xJXCyV | 23:41 |
friedbat | is that the most common, A/C versus things like open windows, ceiling fans, etc? | 23:43 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 21:40 UTC: Science: First bit of success from a randomized trial of a COVID-19 treatment [UPDATED] → https://is.gd/L71jvf | 23:48 |
MaryM | I'm leaving | 23:51 |
MaryM | This chat | 23:51 |
MaryM | and the topic for this chat | 23:51 |
MaryM | is fucking stupid | 23:51 |
MaryM | and it's the same fucking people | 23:51 |
kmen101 | Hey | 23:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: NT set to announce easing of restrictions as Virgin creditors meet – latest updates → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B | 23:55 |
Tramtrist | ?:| | 23:57 |
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