| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:00 UTC: Trump suspects coronavirus outbreak came from China lab, doesn't cite evidence: President Donald Trump said, without offering any evidence, that he has reason to believe that the coronavirus outbreak originated from a laboratory in China. → https://is.gd/6Cnf2a | 00:04 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:07 UTC: (news): United Airlines swings to $1.7 billion loss in first quarter as bookings disappeared in coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/aGEYOA | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:15 UTC: Trump suspects coronavirus outbreak came from China lab, doesn't cite evidence: President Donald Trump said, without offering any evidence, that he has reason to believe that the coronavirus outbreak originated from a laboratory in China. → https://is.gd/6Cnf2a | 00:18 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci warns reopening states: 'You can't just leap over things' (10474 votes) | https://redd.it/gay3ql | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:27 UTC: (news): United Airlines swings to $1.7 billion loss in first quarter as bookings disappeared in coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/aGEYOA | 00:32 |
| LjL | Tramtrist, i have not had any fresher information on that, but i recall seeing some criticism of that study | 00:32 |
| Tramtrist | what study doesnt have criticism ;p | 00:33 |
| Tramtrist | not to be pedantic or a jerk but.. it sounds like no matter what anyone says about anything theres really never any consensus that lasts longer than a few days.. | 00:34 |
| Tramtrist | getting apathetic to any news at all :( | 00:34 |
| LjL | no, i think most of us get that feeling | 00:34 |
| mefistofeles | well, welcome to medical sciences | 00:34 |
| mefistofeles | Have not heard anything nwe on that blood type thing | 00:35 |
| LjL | Tramtrist, i think you haven't been in this channel for very long, but it had a heyday of activity, while now it's mostly Brainstorm posting news for much of the day | 00:35 |
| LjL | there may be various reasons for that | 00:35 |
| LjL | but i think one reason is we've all reached our threshold of attention | 00:35 |
| Tramtrist | gotcha LjL | 00:35 |
| LjL | at some point it's just too much and it all feels too contradictory | 00:35 |
| mefistofeles | I don't think it was that relevant given that we haven't heard much about it, I guess | 00:35 |
| LjL | Tramtrist, https://markmanson.net/nobody-knows-what-is-going-on | 00:36 |
| Toadisattva | now the immenent sense of impending death is wearing off, we just wanna netlfix and chill :P | 00:36 |
| mefistofeles | Tramtrist: read that carefully, I think it's overly dramatic, but makes some interesting points | 00:36 |
| pyna | georgia reopening seems mainly to stop people from getting unemployment | 00:37 |
| mefistofeles | the real problem is that people are new to all of these trials and scientific studies in medical sciences, I guess people had the idea this worked like a clockwork | 00:37 |
| mefistofeles | and well, it does not, why should it? | 00:37 |
| mefistofeles | not even simpler fields like physics or chemistry have that | 00:38 |
| ggz | it should because we ask everybody to follow science recomandations | 00:38 |
| ggz | people are always skeptic so it's tempting to say that science work like a clockwork and we know the truth | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:35 UTC: Trump suspects coronavirus outbreak came from China lab, doesn't cite evidence: President Donald Trump said, without offering any evidence, that he has reason to believe that the coronavirus outbreak originated from a laboratory in China. → https://is.gd/6Cnf2a | 00:39 |
| mefistofeles | it has never been that way, and if anything, it'sbetter now than before. Only that now people want the "science" badly and think they are experts because they can get information easily in the internet | 00:40 |
| mefistofeles | so get the idea that we know nothing and that this vrius is somewhat harder to understand | 00:40 |
| rager | "simpler fields" - biologist detected | 00:40 |
| mefistofeles | but it's not, I mean, vaccines are already on trials, monoclonal antibodies therapies and a bunch of other things as well, this never happened as fast with anything else in history | 00:41 |
| mefistofeles | rager: you'd be surprised | 00:41 |
| mefistofeles | vaccine candidates, to be precise | 00:41 |
| LjL | ggz, i think SOME authorities should have been humbler and said more "I don't know"s to people instead of false reassurance | 00:44 |
| LjL | and i will of course refrain from relentlessly mentioning WHO i am referring to | 00:45 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: haha | 00:52 |
| mefistofeles | yeah | 00:52 |
| mefistofeles | USA acted correctly by not following the WHO recommendations regarding china flights, but was too permissive with europe | 00:53 |
| ggz | LjL: lol | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Trump claims 'he has seen evidence virus started in Wuhan lab' → https://is.gd/qbIALd | 00:53 |
| ggz | should we trust trump claim ? | 00:54 |
| LjL | no by default? | 00:54 |
| LjL | he also said he can't imagine why there have been more emergency calls from people drinking/injecting disinfectant | 00:55 |
| LjL | and clearly he either can imagine it, or else shouldn't be imagining anything | 00:55 |
| LjL | or more importantly saying anything | 00:55 |
| ggz | seems my granny is more trustworthy than trump :p | 00:56 |
| euod[m] | your grandmother probably has some sort of filter. | 00:56 |
| euod[m] | trump is just saying whatever pops into his head | 00:56 |
| mefistofeles | wtf? Spain data? wtf? | 00:57 |
| ggz | mefistofeles: what ? | 00:57 |
| mefistofeles | dropped all of a sudden | 00:57 |
| desantnye | i have funny news and funny news | 00:58 |
| desantnye | the funny news is the boxes of cheap surgical masks seem to be legit | 00:58 |
| desantnye | the funny news is a translated packing slip suggests tehy were manufactured... in wuhan | 00:58 |
| desantnye | this is too funny | 00:59 |
| desantnye | thanks Bezos LOL | 00:59 |
| term99 | pyna: I'm not looking forward to everything starting back up again next week. Wave 2 coming soon... | 00:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:57 UTC: Trump suspects coronavirus outbreak came from China lab, doesn't cite evidence: President Donald Trump said, without offering any evidence, that he has reason to believe that the coronavirus outbreak originated from a laboratory in China. → https://is.gd/6Cnf2a | 01:00 |
| mefistofeles | desantnye: not only that, many drugs we western countries are using to fight this are also from Wuhan ;) | 01:01 |
| mefistofeles | some of them rebranded, but originally from there | 01:01 |
| mefistofeles | before all of this Wuhan was creating something like 70% of biotechnology in the world, iirc | 01:01 |
| desantnye | they're these btw https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017K36L8Y/ | 01:03 |
| desantnye | imported by Dukal and sold by Amazon as a first-party | 01:03 |
| desantnye | explains why they were so cheap too | 01:03 |
| desantnye | they were about $22 a case of 300 | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:00 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: another death at Newmarch House brings national toll to 93 – live news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 01:07 |
| friedbat | they're not legit | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:13 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "COVID-19 in Canada: —Not much sign of a slowdown; R seems to be ~=1. —Testing per capita ~same as US —Starting to approach US levels of deaths *per-capita* (about 2/3 as high over past week). —Provinces re-opening on similar timelines to US states. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/gle6U1 | 01:14 |
| desantnye | friedbat nothing can be done, we're probably using them | 01:17 |
| mefistofeles | I'm not using a mask at all :P | 01:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Maryland governor says coronavirus tests acquired from South Korea under guard at undisclosed location to protect the tests from seizure by federal government (10786 votes) | https://redd.it/gb2oi5 | 01:20 |
| LjL | 18<29mefistofeles18> before all of this Wuhan was creating something like 70% of biotechnology in the world, iirc ← this is still something that concerns me. i think the supply chains for these things are probably pretty long and we may be yet to see the ill effects on drug availability | 01:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:14 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: another death at Newmarch House brings national toll to 93 – live news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 01:21 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: indeed, I don't think we will, tbh, they probably have big stocks on that | 01:25 |
| LjL | let's hope so | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump claims to have evidence virus started in Wuhan lab as UK is 'past the peak': US government experts say virus ‘not manmade or genetically modified’; Germany and Spain ease lockdowns; outbreak increasing in Africa. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/FqesId | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2229 cases (now 1094721), +77 deaths (now 63840) since an hour ago — Colorado, US: +526 cases (now 15284) since a day ago — Nebraska, US: +497 cases (now 4281) since a day ago | 01:38 |
| friedbat | one thing that covid has made clear is that medical supply chains (drugs, ppe, etc.) are a big potential vulnerability for countries | 01:48 |
| friedbat | there is a lot of discussion in japan and in the u.s. to make those chains fully domestic in production | 01:49 |
| friedbat | i imagine many other countries are considering similar, at least those with a manufacturing capacity | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: intelligence report concludes Covid-19 was not 'manmade or genetically modified' → https://is.gd/0scT0c | 01:57 |
| ytlyv9 | version was not from wuhan | 01:57 |
| ytlyv9 | one | 01:58 |
| ytlyv9 | https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11421049/coronavirus-outbreak-started-september-scientists/ | 01:59 |
| ytlyv9 | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3079491/deadly-coronavirus-comes-three-variants-researchers-find | 02:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:01 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump claims to have evidence virus started in Wuhan lab as UK is 'past the peak': US government experts say virus ‘not manmade or genetically modified’; Germany and Spain ease lockdowns; outbreak increasing in Africa. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/FqesId | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:16 UTC: /u/slakmehl: New Chinese study in Nature Medicine shows antibody development in 100% of patients. → https://is.gd/O1zo5E | 02:18 |
| Albright | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6o2mHWZaCU | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: From www.youtube.com: YouTube | 02:29 |
| Albright | Yes, thank you, Brainstorm | 02:29 |
| Albright | "Desperate Mayors React to Coronavirus" (comedy skit) | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:16 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3.2 million, farmers forced to dump excess fruit and flowers: Farmers globally are grappling with excess supplies of their products as their harvests cannot get to their intended customers due to disruptions from lockdowns. → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 02:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:34 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: Tasmania to lift north-west lockdown as national toll hits 93 – live news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 02:39 |
| jonatannielavitz | . | 02:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:01 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3.2 million, farmers forced to dump excess fruit and flowers: Farmers globally are grappling with excess supplies of their products as their harvests cannot get to their intended customers due to disruptions from lockdowns. → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:20 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: Tasmania to lift north-west lockdown as national toll hits 93 – live news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:27 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3.2 million, farmers forced to dump excess fruit and flowers: Farmers globally are grappling with excess supplies of their products as their harvests cannot get to their intended customers due to disruptions from lockdowns. → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:33 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update latest: Tasmania to lift north-west lockdown as national toll hits 93 – live news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 03:43 |
| ubLXI | thank you, Albright | 04:04 |
| twebit | that's terrible that covid... I fought it off all day today... | 04:09 |
| twebit | my hands are clean like crazy! | 04:09 |
| Birosso | Well done. | 04:12 |
| twebit | thanks but we should do an elbow bump instead of shaking hands Birosso | 04:13 |
| twebit | LOL | 04:14 |
| friedbat | they also tell you to sneeze into your elbow right? | 04:19 |
| friedbat | so Fred sneezes into his elbow and fills it with COVID, does an elbow bump with Barney, Barney also sneezes into his elbow, COVID moves his elbow to his nose. Barney is sick. | 04:20 |
| twebit | right | 04:20 |
| twebit | ya that's true eh? | 04:20 |
| twebit | so it's better to shake hands and then wash | 04:21 |
| friedbat | or bow | 04:22 |
| friedbat | or do a foot bump | 04:22 |
| twebit | ya... LOL! ya! | 04:22 |
| friedbat | :) | 04:25 |
| twebit | does a foot bump and spreads the virus all over the floor... OMG!!! LOL! | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 02:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'quite likely' to get close to or hit 100,00 tests target - Shapps → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 04:32 |
| twebit | thanks for the news Brainstorm | 04:37 |
| friedbat | just don't lick your toes after foot-bumpin' | 04:42 |
| twebit | Whew! lucky for me I can't reach...! | 04:43 |
| friedbat | careful, farts can spread covid | 04:43 |
| twebit | ya the gas is toxic! | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3.2 million, major US airlines to require face coverings on flight → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 04:47 |
| landon_ | Did China release the virus on purpose? | 04:50 |
| LjL | no | 04:50 |
| landon_ | why do you think not? | 04:50 |
| friedbat | well, we don't know, but it doesn't seem likely. it has cost them a lot too. | 04:50 |
| LjL | because the viral RNA has been analyzed thoroughly and it seems thoroughly natural | 04:51 |
| LjL | and that too | 04:51 |
| landon_ | how do some people have no symptoms? | 04:51 |
| LjL | happens with a lot of diseases | 04:52 |
| LjL | like with most cases of polio | 04:52 |
| friedbat | the evolutionary virologists don't know. they just look at some virus naturally occurring in animals and compare to human sars2 and conclude that the mutations from A--->B are all plausible in the normal course of evolution | 04:52 |
| friedbat | that doesn't mean it wasn't the result of lab work. just that natural evolution is "plausible? | 04:52 |
| LjL | yes, technically nothing ever means anything with 100% chance but only indicates plausibility | 04:53 |
| LjL | like with everything, ever | 04:53 |
| friedbat | but this falls into the category you were upset with | 04:53 |
| friedbat | experts claiming with certainty that no airborne, etc | 04:53 |
| LjL | fair enough | 04:53 |
| friedbat | here it's experts claiming with certainty that it was natural. yet they don't know. | 04:54 |
| LjL | but another category of people i tend to be upset with is those who join and immediately ask very unlikely questions | 04:54 |
| LjL | which are mostly always the same, too, so not much fun variety | 04:54 |
| friedbat | oh you mean conspiracy folks? | 04:54 |
| LjL | or just trolls, or really out there | 04:54 |
| LjL | i don't know what's most... plausible | 04:54 |
| friedbat | also could be the result of human action. in the course of normal lab work, on bat viruses, things mutate. maybe some techs were speeding up mutations. | 04:55 |
| LjL | yes we've talked about this, i find a lab accident not entirely unlikely | 04:56 |
| friedbat | and suddenly one person gets some bat blood on them, gets into their eye because they had bad goggles. then goes home and infects the gf. | 04:56 |
| friedbat | and we're off to the races | 04:56 |
| friedbat | so it wasn't a bio-weapon in the sense that it was designed specifically for this, but it also wasn't natural in the sense that for the lab, it wouldn't have existed maybe. | 04:56 |
| LjL | it's possible, but what do we gain by knowing this for sure? China is *already* upping the security of their labs, i've seen reported... so either they think this may have happened, or they think it's a good move to enhance security anyway | 04:57 |
| friedbat | i've seen reporting that western intelligence is confident it came from the lab | 04:57 |
| friedbat | in intel speak, "confident" means they have multiple intel sources of different kinds, all pointing to the same conclusion | 04:58 |
| derpadmin | didn't they were confident about the weapon of mass destruction in irak? | 04:59 |
| landon_ | I heard the viralogy lab has ties with the Chinese military | 04:59 |
| friedbat | derpadmin: yes, there is that too, sometimes intel is bad | 04:59 |
| LjL | virology* | 04:59 |
| derpadmin | friedbat : or intel is a high level fake news to serve a political purpose | 05:00 |
| derpadmin | someone looks bad with their management of the crisis at the moment | 05:00 |
| friedbat | derpadmin: also. sometimes the intel is bad and sometimes intel agencies make up intel to further an agenda. | 05:00 |
| nodefree | https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/28/washington-groups-fight-for-bailout-employee-health-insurance-215981 | 05:00 |
| twebit | handshake, elbow bump and foot bump have all been tried here and they all have risk | 05:00 |
| derpadmin | yup | 05:00 |
| friedbat | derpadmin: but in this case you don't need to be a intel analysis | 05:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 02:57 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Armed protestors storm Michigan Capitol as politicians wearing bulletproof vests vote on lifting lockdown → https://is.gd/Voud3l | 05:01 |
| LjL | i don't understand why people can't just say "hello" | 05:01 |
| LjL | do we have something in western culture where meeting *has* to imply some kind of physical contact? | 05:01 |
| derpadmin | friedbat : I am not dismissing the possibility, but so far, what I heard id that Trump is pressuring the intel agency to find links (it was even on the new on tv in canada today) | 05:01 |
| LjL | indians seem fine with the namaste gesture, chinese and japanese seem fine with bowing | 05:01 |
| friedbat | the thing starts in a town that has china's level 4 biolab conducting coronavirus tests, then it diseappears bat-lady and a few other scientists and doctors. | 05:01 |
| twebit | ya like what's wrong with saying hello??? | 05:02 |
| derpadmin | but it could be chinese propaganda pushed through canadian outlets at this point | 05:03 |
| derpadmin | who knows... | 05:03 |
| friedbat | LjL: some of these western habits were born from distrust. like cheers (clinking glasses) was so each others drink would splash into the others. so you would be sure the other person didn't poison your drink. | 05:03 |
| derpadmin | the world is turning to shit | 05:03 |
| friedbat | the handshake some say was a way for medieval knights to shake loose any hidden weapon | 05:03 |
| LjL | friedbat, i didn't know about that one O.o | 05:03 |
| derpadmin | I knew about the cheers, not the handshake... interresting | 05:04 |
| derpadmin | *knife drops* | 05:04 |
| derpadmin | ah ah! | 05:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Bloody hell... armed protestors storm Michigan Capitol? wtff | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | that can't end well | 05:09 |
| friedbat | they didn't do much. they just showed up armed and protested peacefully. | 05:10 |
| LjL | peacefully armed? | 05:10 |
| friedbat | sure | 05:11 |
| friedbat | but anyways, the headlines are inflammatory | 05:11 |
| tinwhiskers | mmm... ok | 05:11 |
| friedbat | there were hundreds of protesters and i think a few dummies went with their guns | 05:11 |
| tinwhiskers | carrying firearms into the capitol building is inflammatory | 05:11 |
| friedbat | and that turned into "armed protesters storm capitol" | 05:11 |
| LjL | ↑ | 05:11 |
| friedbat | so you have some situation like 180 people went to protest and 3 buddies took guns, and then the news reported it was an armed revolt. | 05:12 |
| friedbat | why? | 05:12 |
| friedbat | because the news is gonna news. | 05:12 |
| friedbat | clicks and eyeballs pay the bills. | 05:12 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. all is well. I'll go back to sleep. | 05:12 |
| twebit | in CA that would be big news! | 05:14 |
| twebit | CANADA I mean | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 03:10 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Ennio Tasciotti speiga com'è fatta il coronavirus → https://is.gd/qAMMIr | 05:15 |
| friedbat | LjL must translate but it seems Tasciotti is explaining the origin of the virus? | 05:16 |
| friedbat | who is Tadciotti, a virologist? or a politician? | 05:16 |
| LjL | i have no idea | 05:18 |
| friedbat | com'e fatta == how it's made, right? | 05:20 |
| twebit | right | 05:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 03:17 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Trump administration asks intelligence agencies to find out whether China, WHO hid info on coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/vKwCx1 | 05:22 |
| LjL | friedbat, very literally it means that but what it really means is its structure | 05:22 |
| LjL | %tr Ti spiego com'è fatto il virus. | 05:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: I'll explain how the virus is made. (MyMemory, Google) — *Ti Explain how #be done the virus. (Apertium) | 05:23 |
| LjL | well... no | 05:23 |
| LjL | that's not what it means, at least not depending on how you interpret it | 05:23 |
| LjL | %tr Ti spiego com'è fatto il corpo umano. | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: I'll explain how the human body is made. (MyMemory, Google) — *Ti Explain how #be done the human body. (Apertium) | 05:23 |
| LjL | it's not about origin, it's about structure, no matter what google says | 05:23 |
| nodefree | super spreaders | 05:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:24 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Scott Morrison labels Twiggy Forrest’s comments on Covid-19 origin 'nonsense' – latest news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 05:29 |
| LjL | https://www.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-antibody-test-with-99-percent-success-rate-approved-for-use-in-europe-626525 | 05:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:35 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Scott Morrison labels Twiggy Forrest's comments on Covid-19 origin 'nonsense' – latest news → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 05:50 |
| Tramtrist | would give good money for an antibody test | 05:56 |
| Tramtrist | well i'll be .. https://questdirect.questdiagnostics.com/products/covid-19-immune-response/ | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:10 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Scott Morrison about to give a Covid-19 update – latest news: Sydney aged care home reports 13th coronavirus-related death as three more residents test positive, while Tasmania to lift north-west lockdown. Follow live → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 06:19 |
| nodefree | but if the immune response is temporary whats the point | 06:19 |
| Tramtrist | if i had it and was asymptomatic.. chances are if i get it again ill be asymptomatic again? | 06:20 |
| Tramtrist | just knowing i had it is worth 120$ to me... | 06:20 |
| friedbat | Tramtrist: unless you live in a hotspot: NYC, NJ, N. Orleans, you likely haven't had it | 06:23 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | Just a theory of mine, but it might be like the Epstein–Barr virus, symptoms re-occur but at a lesser intensity | 06:23 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | I haven't heard of anyone dying from the second wave. I may be wrong though | 06:24 |
| friedbat | or like herpes zoster, that it hides out somewhere and surfaces every time your immune system gets weak | 06:25 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | friedbat: yes, I think so. | 06:25 |
| LjL | G0atB0yP3rs0n, mononucleosis normally re-occurs? | 06:28 |
| LjL | friedbat, herpes zoster is the chickenpox virus, i wouldn't say it surfaces *every* time your immune system gets weak... normally you don't get it until you're relatively old, and the vaccine is indicated for the elderly. i believe the idea is that with age your memory cells for the varicella virus start forgetting about it, and it comes back as herpes zoster | 06:30 |
| nodefree | varicella | 06:30 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | LjL: I am not sure about normally, but it can come back in people when the immune system is weakened later | 06:30 |
| nodefree | TB also | 06:30 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | LjL: at least the symptoms can present themselves without any obvious sign of a re-infection | 06:31 |
| LjL | G0atB0yP3rs0n, i had my EBV IgG very much elevated some years ago, when i was feeling really crap, but my doctor brushed it off with "it just means you've had it" (sure, but why 400 when last time it was 30?) | 06:31 |
| LjL | G0atB0yP3rs0n, well EBV definitely stays in the body for life, no need to be reinfected | 06:31 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | LjL: I think it's because after the first time you have it your body becomes better at suppressing it | 06:32 |
| friedbat | i meant the herpes family | 06:32 |
| friedbat | that hides out and resurfaces | 06:32 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | LjL: so I guess it's not a main priority for the docs unless it's causing major complications | 06:32 |
| friedbat | zoster usually resurfaces at old age and simplex resurfaces more often | 06:32 |
| LjL | friedbat, right but that's more HSV. varicella is of that family but behaves less typically | 06:33 |
| LjL | yes | 06:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:25 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Scott Morrison gives Covid-19 update – latest news: Sydney aged care home reports 13th coronavirus-related death as three more residents test positive, while Tasmania to lift north-west lockdown. Follow live → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 06:33 |
| friedbat | some of these you-get-them-for-life viruses are now thought to cause other issues, like cancers | 06:35 |
| friedbat | ebv is one of those | 06:35 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | friedbat, interesting, didn't know about that | 06:35 |
| friedbat | ebv is thought to be linked to various forms of lymphoma and stomach cancers | 06:36 |
| LjL | friedbat, and HPV of course | 06:36 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | ok, maybe just the herpes family link? | 06:36 |
| LjL | friedbat, it's been hard to figure out these links because EBV and HPV and HSV and others are viruses that in many populations, 90%+ have | 06:37 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | I am not expert on virologu but I'm getting more interested in this area | 06:37 |
| LjL | i think in Italy the prevalence of HSV-1 is 90% | 06:38 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | *virology | 06:38 |
| LjL | and dammit the cold sores are a good reminder of it | 06:38 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | LjL: haha, yes. even stress in life and they come back | 06:39 |
| friedbat | wow, 90%+? that's almost twice as much as in the u.s. | 06:40 |
| friedbat | https://www.infectiousdiseaseadvisor.com/home/topics/sexually-transmitted-diseases/cdc-reports-on-latest-estimates-of-hsv-1-hsv-2-prevalence-in-the-united-states/ | 06:40 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | We tend to deal with all of these as children and young adults, so it would be interesting to know what the effect would have been on an older population that didn't have it | 06:40 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | also diet has a lot to do with, as I understand there has been some research into the effects of LCHF diets and those with a heavier carb leaning | 06:41 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | those with more elevated blood glucose or already have inflammation present in the body have a harder time dealing with it. | 06:42 |
| LjL | friedbat, yes but the vast majority rarely if ever actually get cold sores | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:04 UTC: (news): Feeding strawberries to cows: Farmers forced to throw fruit and flowers as coronavirus disrupts supplies → https://is.gd/y3C8Uk | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:19 UTC: EU chief backs investigation into coronavirus origin and says China should be involved: The president of the European Commission backed calls for an investigation into the origin of the new coronavirus and said China should be involved in the process. → https://is.gd/Y5rUbw | 07:22 |
| Tramtrist | %cases kentucky | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | Tramtrist: In Kentucky, US, there are 4708 total cases (0.1% of the population) and 240 deaths (5.1% of cases) as of 21 minutes ago. 56611 tests were performed (8.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Kentucky for time series data. | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:27 UTC: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Scott Morrison gives Covid-19 update – latest news: Sydney aged care home reports 13th coronavirus-related death as three more residents test positive, while Tasmania to lift north-west lockdown. Follow live → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 07:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:46 UTC: EU chief backs investigation into coronavirus origin and says China should be involved: The president of the European Commission backed calls for an investigation into the origin of the new coronavirus and said China should be involved in the process. → https://is.gd/Y5rUbw | 07:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:02 UTC: How you see your doctor could be forever changed by the coronavirus pandemic: Doctors have been resistant to adopting digital health services, but the coronavirus pandemic has changed attitudes. → https://is.gd/KWXF6e | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:16 UTC: EU chief backs investigation into coronavirus origin and says China should be involved: The president of the European Commission backed calls for an investigation into the origin of the new coronavirus and said China should be involved in the process. → https://is.gd/Y5rUbw | 08:19 |
| xnux08[m] | %cases singapore | 08:19 |
| Brainstorm | xnux08[m]: In all areas, Singapore, there are 16169 total cases (0.3% of the population) and 15 deaths (0.1% of cases) as of 29 minutes ago. 243848 tests were performed (6.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data. | 08:19 |
| unst0ppabl3 | hi | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 06:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Government 'likely' to get close to or hit 100,000 tests target - Shapps → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:35 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia live news: decision on lifting Covid-19 restrictions brought forward to next Friday – latest updates → https://is.gd/M7rNJI | 08:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 06:44 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Prima di iniziare il livethread normale → https://is.gd/4wxL2i | 08:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:47 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Ryanair to cut 3,000 jobs; Wales leader says four nations should end lockdown on same day → https://is.gd/w5BHK1 | 08:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/3DJelk | 09:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Australia → https://is.gd/pUCF3F | 09:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 09:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:29 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Francia - Tecnologia → https://is.gd/zGasXy | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/PX45Pr | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Primo Maggio virtuale: niente cortei e paura per il presente - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/GMCqpi | 09:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +7933 cases (now 114431), +96 deaths (now 1169) since a day ago — Brazil: +1807 cases (now 87187), +105 deaths (now 6006) since 11 hours ago — Mexico: +1425 cases (now 19224), +127 deaths (now 1859) since a day ago | 09:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/RPsSuY | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Medicina → https://is.gd/aqhhRz | 10:12 |
| mefistofeles | helo | 10:19 |
| mefistofeles | hello | 10:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:23 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/0pKFmY | 10:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:29 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - New York City → https://is.gd/5D7rHe | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Morrison says 'early mark' of eased restrictions depends on uptake of Covidsafe tracing app → https://is.gd/7NW59r | 10:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Communicazione da u/pixelcraftables → https://is.gd/wy9vFN | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Festa del lavoro → https://is.gd/0nFRDO | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: EU chief backs investigation into virus origin; Russia reports record spike in cases → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 11:09 |
| covidian | /join #May_1st. "workers day" | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/e87UAf | 11:16 |
| mefistofeles | covidian: what? | 11:16 |
| covidian | itz kool May 1. | 11:20 |
| mefistofeles | covidian: sure, cool | 11:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: EU chief backs investigation into virus origin; Russia reports record spike in cases → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 11:23 |
| Dan[m]1 | What is the revolution? | 11:28 |
| covidian | its ongoing! | 11:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 11:30 |
| covidian | /join #May_1st. "workers day" | 11:30 |
| covidian | /join #May_1st. | 11:31 |
| mefistofeles | covidian: stop spamming that | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:25 UTC: Business: Stock markets tumble as Ryanair and RBS warn on coronavirus damage – business live → https://is.gd/DDid7s | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Medicina → https://is.gd/cyx0KF | 11:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa → https://is.gd/FwilY9 | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 11:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: those in deprived areas have double death rates of affluent areas, new statistics show → https://is.gd/w5BHK1 | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: EU chief backs investigation into virus origin; Russia reports record spike in cases → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 12:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: China lowers Hubei emergency response as Trump contradicts intelligence on virus origin → https://is.gd/FqesId | 12:20 |
| mefistofeles | The Guardian is becoming idiotic ... | 12:32 |
| mefistofeles | "Donald Trump claims to have seen evidence to substantiate the unproven theory that the coronavirus originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, despite US intelligence agencies’ conclusion that the virus was “not manmade or genetically modified”." | 12:32 |
| mefistofeles | one thing does not exclude the other... that's really crappy press release | 12:33 |
| azy | as per | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: those in deprived areas have double death rates of affluent areas, new statistics show → https://is.gd/w5BHK1 | 12:34 |
| mefistofeles | azy: labs can have non-engineered/manmade new virus strains | 12:35 |
| mefistofeles | I think it is unlikely for this case, but that paragraph is not correct | 12:35 |
| azy | agree | 12:35 |
| azy | and it could have originated in wuhan regardless of all of that | 12:35 |
| mefistofeles | yes | 12:36 |
| azy | orange man bad | 12:37 |
| peterx[m] | %cases uk | 12:41 |
| Brainstorm | peterx[m]: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 171253 total cases (0.3% of the population) and 26771 deaths (15.6% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 901905 tests were performed (19.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 12:41 |
| peterx[m] | %cases us | 12:43 |
| Brainstorm | peterx[m]: In all areas, US, there are 1.1 million total cases (0.3% of the population) and 63871 deaths (5.8% of cases) as of 15 minutes ago. 6.4 million tests were performed (17.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 12:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 10:40 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Il presidente dell'Assemblea nazionale pakistana ha dichiarato alla fine di giovedì (30 aprile) di essere risultato positivo per Covid-19 dopo aver ospitato una cena iftar per celebrare il Ramadan e aver incontrato il primo ministro Imran Khan e altri alti funzionari all'inizio della settimana. → https://is.gd/PTkKqT | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: EU chief backs investigation into virus origin; Russia reports record spike in cases → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 12:55 |
| Butterfly^ | https://god.dailydot.com/florida-medical-examiners/ Title: Florida Asked Medical Examiners To Withhold Coronavirus Death Data | 12:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 11:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 11:10 UTC: Features: The Ars COVID-19 vaccine primer: 100-plus in the works, 8 in clinical trials → https://is.gd/iWxyQF | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:16 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Covid-19 deaths twice as high in poorest areas in England and Wales → https://is.gd/Rhkiw1 | 13:23 |
| friedbat | mefistofeles: i actually saw the question get asked and answered. the question was about whether the virus had escaped from the lab, to which the reply was that he had seen intel to that effect. not whether the virus strain had been created at the lab. | 13:25 |
| friedbat | so yes, very bad reporting, headlining. | 13:25 |
| Hullo1 | mefistofeles, Hello | 13:25 |
| friedbat | Have you guys seen the GLEAM model from Northeastern? | 13:29 |
| friedbat | https://covid19.gleamproject.org/ | 13:29 |
| friedbat | so far it's only US-centric (as opposed to IHME which includes Europe) | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: EU chief backs investigation into virus origin; Russia reports record spike in cases → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 13:30 |
| mrvulcan[m] | <Volhard[m] "Could we use Google's Colaborato"> That's what I'm trying, but although I feel like I'm following all the steps to use the GPU I'm given, I still get a message later as if I'm not using it. | 13:33 |
| mrvulcan[m] | <Volhard[m] "Could we use Google's Colaborato"> If you'd like to know the steps I followed... https://bertvisscher.net/blog/20200417.php | 13:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China's Hubei, where virus first emerged, to relax lockdown measures → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:35 UTC: Coronavirus patients describe symptoms that last a month or more: Doctors say that there's wide variation in the severity of Covid-19 cases, and how long the symptoms last. → https://is.gd/xtqQgD | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: care home chief condemns Johnson's handling of pandemic → https://is.gd/w5BHK1 | 13:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cina → https://is.gd/hWVRl3 | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/JyF8Og | 14:06 |
| mefistofeles | Hullo1: hey, hello | 14:06 |
| mefistofeles | friedbat: no, I have not seen that model, link? | 14:07 |
| mefistofeles | friedbat: ah there's the link, nvm | 14:07 |
| mefistofeles | friedbat: interesting, seems like a SIR-based model, as most of them are | 14:08 |
| mefistofeles | friedbat: but I think the projection is off, for the peak of deaths. It said april 8. | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:09 UTC: Coronavirus: China's Hubei, where virus first emerged, to relax lockdown measures: To date, more than 3.27 million people have contracted Covid-19 worldwide, with 233,704 deaths, according to data from JHU. → https://is.gd/c70kPn | 14:13 |
| desantnye | anyone up for doing some internet research for me? | 14:18 |
| Albright | Disturbing examples of police, politician, and Karen overreach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzVj9ymex9Q | 14:18 |
| desantnye | :P | 14:18 |
| mefistofeles | desantnye: yes, but it's a minority | 14:18 |
| desantnye | the purported manufacturer of these masks is "武 汉 协 卓 卫 生 用 品 有 限 公 司" or "Wu Han Xie Zhuo Wei Sheng Products Co., Ltd." but I can't find any record of this company online | 14:19 |
| Albright | Did you know in Japan, conformist Japan, there are no stay-at-home orders because the government decided it was not legal for it to do so? | 14:19 |
| Albright | And yet here in the West… Jesus. | 14:19 |
| AimHere | Anyone who takes their views on socialism and the coronavirus from "fat otaku on youtube" deserves to spend the last week of their life drowning in their lung fluids | 14:19 |
| desantnye | yes, I've talked to people and joked about these orders not being legally binding | 14:19 |
| desantnye | think of them as good suggestions | 14:20 |
| Albright | AimHere: Okay, though I'll fight for your rights even while dying. | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:16 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Japan extends state of emergency; China lowers Hubei emergency response → https://is.gd/FqesId | 14:20 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: Japan can handle it, they have many systems from previous SARS and they are pretty good a social distancing and wearing masks on a daily basis | 14:20 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: so it's not that simple | 14:20 |
| Albright | mefistofeles: You've never been on a Tokyo subway during rush hour. | 14:21 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: that's different, and there are still many measures in place in Japan, just not the forced stay-at-home | 14:22 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: Japan is not the only one doing that, Germany Sweden Austria Denmark and many others are doing similar things | 14:22 |
| desantnye | these masks/stay at home orders are perfectly okay within the frameworks of constitutionalism if you only consider them suggestions Albright | 14:23 |
| desantnye | I've no doubt that if you go to any court level you can get anything thrown out about this | 14:23 |
| Albright | desantnye: They are not "suggestions" if they are orders and you have cops going around harassing and arresting people due to them. | 14:24 |
| Albright | And sure, you can get your case thrown out… once the courts start back up again and work through their backlog. | 14:24 |
| desantnye | that's how most things go, nothing new | 14:25 |
| mefistofeles | Japan has a lot of the same measures taken by western countries https://stopcovid19.metro.tokyo.lg.jp/en/ | 14:25 |
| mefistofeles | you can see a -70% of passengers in the subway there | 14:25 |
| desantnye | police also claim people are rioting when they're peacefully congregating all the time | 14:26 |
| Albright | Yes, police are awful all the time. THere's still something differen tgoing on right now. | 14:26 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: many countries can declare a state of emergency and force these measures, legally, within their constitution | 14:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Clorox sales jump, China's Hubei province set to relax lockdown → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 14:27 |
| desantnye | I don't think it's constitutional to require someone to wear a mask to receive at minimal, public services | 14:27 |
| desantnye | but it's still a good idea | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm | 14:28 |
| desantnye | a doctor wrote me an albuterol inhaler for my poor lungs, now I can pretend I'm asthmatic :P | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 14:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Belgio → https://is.gd/CtmbZZ | 14:41 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Japanese island suffering second wave of coronavirus after lifting lockdown too early (10077 votes) | https://redd.it/gbaq2w | 14:47 |
| mefistofeles | Albright: ↑ | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 14:48 |
| ubLIX[m] | i'm just amused/confused at Albright submitting links from both reason.com and ShortFatOtaku | 14:52 |
| ubLIX[m] | and..uhm..interesting concept of deserve you got there, AimHere | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Japan extends state of emergency; China lowers Hubei emergency response → https://is.gd/FqesId | 14:55 |
| bildramer | it's a good concept | 14:55 |
| oxalis | what is misrepresentation of socialism... in a real socialist paradise, the top 20 richest families wouldn't own 50% of the wealth, and we wouldn't all be going bankrupt because we got sick... Hell, there'd probably even be the correct proactive measures in-place to ensure proper R&D to mitigate this stuff. | 15:01 |
| bildramer | in a real socialist paradise I'd have catgirl waifus and a pony and a twenty acre palace mansion | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giappone - Hokkaido → https://is.gd/CEx1MQ | 15:02 |
| oxalis | mefistofeles: to be fair, "coronavirus" is an anagram of "carnivorous" so all bets are off | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Veneto → https://is.gd/XPYU6h | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Clorox sales jump, China's Hubei province set to relax lockdown → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/X9nHdy | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 13:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK 'likely to get close to or hit' 100,000 tests target → https://is.gd/m3DH41 | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:37 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/S7S7Wr | 15:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Vaccino → https://is.gd/Ds4HpM | 15:45 |
| LjL | oxalis, all bats are off indeed | 15:48 |
| oxalis | it's also an anagram of "various corn" | 15:48 |
| oxalis | and "via our scorn" | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 13:48 UTC: nCoV: China Did Not Invite WHO to Join COVID-19 Investigation → https://is.gd/igE30M | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Amazon extends some work from home through Oct. 2, Clorox sales jump → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 15:59 |
| oxalis | is there room in here for Covid Comics? | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 14:01 UTC: nCoV: Court Orders Halt to Sale of Silver Product Fraudulently Touted as COVID-19 Cure → https://is.gd/lSyizR | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2111 cases (now 1097415) since 6 hours ago — Saudi Arabia: +1344 cases (now 24097) since a day ago — Virginia, US: +1055 cases (now 16901) since 23 hours ago | 16:09 |
| LjL | oxalis, i'd rather not | 16:11 |
| oxalis | very well | 16:11 |
| LjL | for some chuckles you can try ##coronavirus-vox although sometimes they're more about politics than anything... but in theory they shouldn't be | 16:12 |
| LjL | here we're serious, only crying allowed | 16:12 |
| LjL | and anxiety/panic | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: India → https://is.gd/paAB5B | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | I'd like good comics on this, such as the xkcd ones or so | 16:16 |
| bildramer | idea: make your own | 16:19 |
| bildramer | all you need is ms paint | 16:19 |
| bildramer | the old versions are better | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:20 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Islanda → https://is.gd/kxcGmP | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Amazon extends some work from home through Oct. 2, Clorox sales jump → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 16:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ at 14:27 UTC: Covid-19: doctors must take control of their wellbeing: There is never a good time for a pandemic, but covid-19 kicked doctors while we were down. Between 50%1 and 80%2 of us were already burnt out. We went on strike, left traditional training routes, and... → https://is.gd/4zCPaO | 16:35 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | meh. | 16:38 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | blame the AMA and their subsidiaries for ensuring the continued artificial scarcity of healthcare providers. | 16:39 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | if getting into med school is very competitive due to a limited number of seats, and if there's not enough doctors to go around, then it seems the solution is clear. | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/BnaTSi | 16:42 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | allora | 16:50 |
| oxalis | hay no allora aqui | 16:50 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | yo no hablo | 16:50 |
| oxalis | usted no habla? | 16:51 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | si? | 16:51 |
| oxalis | me no hablo very good either | 16:51 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | ha | 16:51 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | dos cervesa por favor | 16:51 |
| LjL | i'm afraid "me no hablo" is further down the chain than "not very good" | 16:51 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | el bano por favor | 16:51 |
| oxalis | lol | 16:51 |
| LjL | also that's italian, not spanish | 16:52 |
| oxalis | los banos estan aquellos | 16:52 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: allora | 16:52 |
| oxalis | LjL: which is Italian and not Spanish? | 16:53 |
| LjL | the tweets | 16:53 |
| oxalis | ah | 16:53 |
| LjL | and "allora" | 16:53 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | ;) | 16:53 |
| oxalis | I though allora was a proper name | 16:53 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | that's sadly just about all the italian i know. | 16:53 |
| LjL | dommage | 16:53 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | allora is the best all-purpose word in italian. kinda like sumimasen in japanese. | 16:53 |
| LjL | speaking of dommage | 16:53 |
| LjL | %seen python476 | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: I last saw python476 at 2020-04-25 11:09:18 (6 days, 3:44:36 ago). | 16:53 |
| oxalis | I'm afraid all the Italian I know is cartoonish and childish | 16:53 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, what are its purposes | 16:54 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | (sumimasen means sorry/excuse me) | 16:54 |
| oxalis | My wife learned Italian, though | 16:54 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, you mean すみません | 16:54 |
| oxalis | I'm learning West Italian | 16:54 |
| LjL | also known as spanish? | 16:54 |
| oxalis | si | 16:54 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: i'm not sure, but my understanding is it's context-dependent and can be used in just about any situation :P | 16:54 |
| oxalis | lol | 16:54 |
| desantnye | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL0fbfJBZbY | 16:54 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | also, i don't know any japanese scripts. romaji>*. | 16:55 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, it's true it's multipurpose, but it may not be very useful if you don't know what the purposes are | 16:55 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, try going to ##japanese and telling them that romaji>* | 16:55 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | haha | 16:55 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | ascii4life bro ;p | 16:55 |
| LjL | よくない思う | 16:55 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and i say that as someone whose native language can't be represented in ascii. | 16:55 |
| LjL | terrible | 16:55 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the world missed a great opportunity to force everyone onto the same page re: character set. | 16:56 |
| LjL | and then *i* get accused of globalism | 16:56 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and instead we went with unicode and continued enabling this fragementation of communication. | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Amazon extends some work from home through Oct. 2, Clorox sales jump → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 16:56 |
| LjL | you do realize all languages do not automatically become English just becuase you write them in Latin characters | 16:56 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | because apparently maintaining uniqueness is more important than enabling communication :P | 16:56 |
| LjL | so communication would still be fragmented, except that you'd also piss off a large portion of the world | 16:56 |
| oxalis | you can make ANY character using ASCII | 16:57 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: i have a much easier time in countries which use latin characters, even if i don't know the language at all. | 16:57 |
| oxalis | it just may take several rows/columns | 16:57 |
| desantnye | wish more people accepted latinization of my native language | 16:57 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: i may not know what a street name means, but at least i can match it against a street name i'm looking for. | 16:57 |
| desantnye | i don't know the writing system at all because i wasn't born there :P | 16:57 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, many countries that don't use the latin alphabet have latin transliterations on signs anyway | 16:58 |
| oxalis | I skipped my Tagalog lessons | 16:58 |
| LjL | also you're talking to the person who runs ##language so i'm not going to be very receptive to such proposals i'm afriad | 16:58 |
| oxalis | LjL, how many languages do you know? | 16:58 |
| LjL | not nearly enough | 16:58 |
| desantnye | anyone wanna go on an internet goose chase for me | 16:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: indeed, and this could've been made universal by insistence on ascii. but of course, everyone just fragmented ascii by having their own regionalized/nonstandard "extended" ascii, etc., | 16:59 |
| oxalis | I've lost count of my languages | 16:59 |
| desantnye | find the SDS for this product because i cannot: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075H16TBT | 16:59 |
| desantnye | their marketing is super weird | 16:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | anyone speak lojban? :P | 16:59 |
| desantnye | they list the active ingredients as ~30% ethanol and ~70% inert ingredients | 16:59 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, many languages do not lend themselves AT ALL to being represented only by the characters in ASCII | 16:59 |
| LjL | (one of them being English) | 16:59 |
| desantnye | but he inert ingredients are isopropyl alcohol as far as I can tell | 16:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: indeed, my own native language doesn't fit in ascii. | 17:00 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, i mean that even with reforms, it would be pretty awful | 17:00 |
| LjL | for instance just remove the accent marks from spanish, and you lose an important bit of information that's useful to native speakers but even more so to learners | 17:00 |
| oxalis | https://www.sprproductinformation.com/SDS/GOJ/GOJ334212SDS.pdf < desantnye | 17:00 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i can't describe any outcome with improved intercommunication compared against today as "pretty awful", though. | 17:01 |
| desantnye | oxalis I think I looked on the gojo website but the names didn't match | 17:01 |
| oxalis | LjL: like esta/esta and el/el ? | 17:01 |
| desantnye | that SDS says "PURELL™ PROFESSIONAL SURFACE DISINFECTANT | 17:01 |
| oxalis | I references the MSDS number | 17:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: the idea that everything like needs to be explicitly written is at odds with things like hebrew where an abjad without explicit vowels is sufficient. | 17:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the language would evolve to disambiguate, presumably. | 17:02 |
| LjL | oxalis, those are generally going to be easy to get right from context. but Italian doesn't have accents the way Spanish does (it only marks them when they occur at the end of a word), and we often pronounce less common words wrong because we aren't sure where the accent falls, and when you have to pronounce people's subnames it gets all awkward | 17:02 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, yes sure, force your preferred writing system just so you can read their signs, poor you, and then it'll be their jobs to "evolve to disambiguate" | 17:02 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it's not "my" preferred writing system. my own native language cannot be represented in latin. | 17:03 |
| LjL | that makes sense, it's absolutely not showing your view of the world is centered around the particular belly button you happen to like best | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Biotech stocks soar on hope for a cure, retail workers plan 'sickout' protests → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 17:03 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not married to latin. in many ways, hangul or any other featural alphabet would be much better. | 17:03 |
| LjL | let's move this to ##language or not have it at all, because it's offtopic and i'm getting pissed off | 17:03 |
| LjL | and that's never good when it happens | 17:03 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | okay, sorry :( | 17:03 |
| LjL | no it's fine i'm discussing it too | 17:04 |
| LjL | but best to stop | 17:04 |
| desantnye | oxalis https://www.gojo.com/en/SDS?sc_lang=en 2846-02-ECCAL shows a hit but the link seems broken hmm | 17:04 |
| oxalis | desantnye: the amazon link referenced MSDS Number: 400000005189 that's what I looked-up | 17:05 |
| desantnye | i guess they're all product rebrands anyhow | 17:06 |
| oxalis | yep | 17:06 |
| friedbat | there's now a black market of blood of peope who supposedly recovered from covid | 17:06 |
| desantnye | whoever works in their advertising department is doing a strange job | 17:06 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | black market plasma sounds terrifying :P | 17:06 |
| friedbat | right? | 17:06 |
| desantnye | I'll sell my blood, give me a barrow of cash for it :P | 17:07 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | then again, i suppose people inject black market substances all the time... | 17:07 |
| friedbat | you pay $10,000 for a few vials of covid plasma and end up getting hiv | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2898 cases (now 1100313), +98 deaths (now 64018) since an hour ago — Maryland, US: +1730 cases (now 23472), +52 deaths (now 1192) since a day ago — Florida, US: +1038 cases (now 34728) since 22 hours ago | 17:09 |
| LjL | uhm anyone have that new study that says 100% of subjects did develop antibodies handy? | 17:10 |
| Hullo1 | NoImNotNineVolt, Are you nine volt? | 17:18 |
| desantnye | he's 5v | 17:21 |
| Hullo1 | lol | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:24 UTC: Covid-19 outbreaks at Irish meat plants raise fears over worker safety: Third of workers at factory in Tipperary test positive, while McDonald’s supplier forced to temporarily halt production → https://is.gd/F9W3CN | 17:32 |
| peterx[m] | %cases india | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | peterx[m]: In all areas, India, there are 35043 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 1154 deaths (3.3% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 902654 tests were performed (3.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 11.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 17:33 |
| Hullo1 | peterx[m], Lockdown has been furthur extended in India | 17:36 |
| Hullo1 | peterx[m], Indian? | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Biotech stocks soar on hope for a cure, retail workers plan 'sickout' protests → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 17:39 |
| pyna | ime, many non-9v things are 12v | 17:39 |
| LjL | uhm, i had assumed Google's and Apple's new "contact tracing API" would mainly entail enhanced access to BLE data and enhanced ability for apps (declaring some permissions?) to work in the background, which was always a problem on Apple and has been more and more restricted on recent Android versions, too. but instead, it appears it's an API that's very, very specific to contact tracing, already implementing the gruntwork of IDs etc? https://blog.google/doc | 17:41 |
| LjL | uments/55/Android_Contact_Tracing_API.pdf | 17:41 |
| LjL | nice URL splitting, HexChat, thanks. https://blog.google/documents/55/Android_Contact_Tracing_API.pdf | 17:41 |
| LjL | so this smells like an API that would end up being in the Google Play Services, not in AOSP... which means the fact "our" (Italy's) app will be open source pretty worthless to me | 17:42 |
| bin_bash | it would be pretty invasive to include it in AOSP | 17:43 |
| LjL | also i am not getting AOSP updates for my phone anymore, so it's probably going to be worthless either way | 17:43 |
| LjL | bin_bash, it would not be invasive to just provide enhanced BLE access and a permission to go with it, though | 17:43 |
| LjL | which is what i was hoping for | 17:43 |
| bin_bash | true, the permission would be the necessity | 17:43 |
| LjL | and more backrgound access would also be great in general, because the recent moves Google did with all that were pretty dickish and stop a lot of apps from being useful at all if they don't want to use google push notifications (proprietary) to "stay alive" | 17:44 |
| LjL | "Opt-in would be managed on the device, and both Android and iOS smartphones with this toggle enabled would automatically be able to participate in local contact tracing efforts — whether or not they had any specific health agency apps installed." | 17:45 |
| LjL | so what sense does it even make to *have* an Italy-specific app that has been announced to use *this* system? | 17:45 |
| LjL | they were originally planning to use a centralized system, but then after pressure from within the government and probably also from Google+Apple, they switched to "their method". but then... why have an app at all? | 17:46 |
| LjL | "On Android, the API will likely become available for apps through an update to Google Play Services." | 17:47 |
| LjL | who'd have guessed | 17:47 |
| LjL | "In order to be whitelisted to use this API, apps “will be required to timestamp and cryptographically sign the set of keys before delivery to the server with the signature of an authorized medical authority.” In other words, unauthorized COVID-19 apps will not be allowed to use this API." ← bleargh | 17:49 |
| LjL | you should just need a signature for uploading lists of contact to a healthcare server | 17:50 |
| LjL | so open source "community" apps attempting to do use this in a more grassroots way will be simply cut off | 17:50 |
| desantnye | unrelated but GPS causes massive battery drain | 17:53 |
| desantnye | I removed it from a phone about 5 years ago since I didn't really need anything it offered and was surprised my battery life multiplied | 17:55 |
| LjL | "The public health authority apps in phase one will be opt-in, meaning users will have to download the apps and give them permission to access certain data. [...] Apple and Google also revealed new details of the second phase of the tool’s rollout, which involves baking the contact tracing feature into the operating systems of iOS and Android devices. We already knew that this next iteration of the tool, which will be available in the coming months, wil | 17:56 |
| LjL | l allow contact tracing features to run in the background of any device, whether it has a public health authority app installed or not." | 17:56 |
| LjL | desantnye, this API does not use GPS, only BLE (well, you did say unrelated) | 17:56 |
| LjL | but i don't know what you mean by "removing" it from a phone...? GPS can simply be disabled, and it doesn't get turned out when an app isn't actively using it anyway, and when one is, you see it in the notification area | 17:57 |
| desantnye | I don't remember, I did something which froze the packages | 17:58 |
| LjL | there are no GPS-specific packages, you may have frozen parts of Google Play Services | 17:59 |
| LjL | some apps may not love that | 17:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:56 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - New York → https://is.gd/1xWTWw | 18:00 |
| desantnye | whatever the case is I just don't flash gapps anymore when I install an AOSP rom | 18:01 |
| desantnye | don't really need anything it offers | 18:01 |
| LjL | well, neither do i, but that goes much further than just disabling GPS | 18:01 |
| LjL | i use microG | 18:01 |
| desantnye | push notifications? pffft who needs them | 18:01 |
| LjL | microG offers a nice private alternative for network-based location | 18:02 |
| LjL | it also offers push notifications if it turns out you do need them, but i don't have that enabled | 18:02 |
| desantnye | I've known of microg but again don't really need it :P | 18:04 |
| LjL | if you ever need your location *without* GPS, it's the only option of you don't have Play installed | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Biotech stocks soar on hope for a cure, retail workers plan 'sickout' protests → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 18:08 |
| desantnye | I just do it the 20 IQ way, I look up road signs and then look at the map | 18:08 |
| desantnye | hasn't bothered me that much | 18:08 |
| Jigsy | %cases world | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, worldwide, there are 3.3 million total cases (0.0% of the population) and 235755 deaths (7.1% of cases) as of 6 minutes ago. 34.1 million tests were performed (9.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 18.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=worldwide for time series data. | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Michigan → https://is.gd/cYD8fb | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Biotech stocks soar on hope for a cure, retail workers plan 'sickout' protests → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3408 cases (now 1103721), +430 deaths (now 64448) since an hour ago — Italy: +1965 cases (now 207428), +269 deaths (now 28236) since a day ago — Chile: +985 cases (now 17008) since a day ago | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/ob4By4 | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:33 UTC: (news): UK government says it has delivered on its target to carry out 100,000 coronavirus tests per day → https://is.gd/sbqpsj | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +6201 cases (now 177454), +739 deaths (now 27510) since 23 hours ago — Turkey: +2188 cases (now 122392), +84 deaths (now 3258) since a day ago — US: +206 cases (now 1103927) since 23 minutes ago | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Immunologia → https://is.gd/34en87 | 18:44 |
| synux | %cases spain | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | synux: In all areas, Spain, there are 239639 total cases (0.5% of the population) and 24824 deaths (10.4% of cases) as of 12 minutes ago. 1.5 million tests were performed (15.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 3.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 15.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Matt Hancock says 100,000 testing target reached; daily death toll stands at 739 → https://is.gd/w5BHK1 | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +3349 cases (now 242988) since an hour ago — Ecuador: +1402 cases (now 26336), +163 deaths (now 1063) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +177 cases (now 87364) since 9 hours ago | 18:54 |
| term99 | %cases ohio | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there are 18027 total cases (0.2% of the population) and 975 deaths (5.4% of cases) as of 10 minutes ago. 133148 tests were performed (13.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ohio for time series data. | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Biotech stocks soar on hope for a cure, retail workers plan 'sickout' protests → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/9TCD4u | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 17:07 UTC: Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day: The UK provided more than 122,000 coronavirus tests on the last day of April, passing the government's target, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said. → https://is.gd/iI4iH4 | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +7309 cases (now 1111236), +416 deaths (now 64876) since 52 minutes ago — New York, US: +2706 cases (now 313545) since an hour ago — New Jersey, US: +2538 cases (now 121190), +310 deaths (now 7538) since 21 hours ago | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/NLwPrC | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: 3.8 million homeowners delay mortgage payments, manufacturing tanks in April → https://is.gd/SgbnY1 | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: DRC → https://is.gd/nFGgov | 20:04 |
| _abc_ | This been seen here yet? Neumifil nasal spray. https://www.newsweek.com/experimental-coronavirus-drug-neumifil-shows-promise-lab-scientists-hope-rapidly-start-1501101 | 20:09 |
| _abc_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EroOICwfD3g what about this. | 20:10 |
| mefistofeles | $t | 20:10 |
| mefistofeles | %t | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.youtube.com: Ghana's dancing pallbearers - BBC Africa - YouTube | 20:10 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Calabria → https://is.gd/Aem6U3 | 20:11 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: as usual, many drugs are being proposed as potential candidates, but we have yet to see the actual results. Without really well set clinical trials and enough patient sample, etc., there's not much one can say | 20:12 |
| mefistofeles | the god thing is that many labs are working on many different alternatives, so the chemical space is actually being sampled nicely | 20:12 |
| mefistofeles | *good | 20:12 |
| _abc_ | The idea is to not harm the patient. Anything which does not harm him SHOULD be tried. | 20:12 |
| _abc_ | This is the opposite of what "highly regulated" countries's medical systems permit. | 20:13 |
| _abc_ | Maybe it's a good time to park the red tape now and just stick with Hippocrat's oath? Keep trying things if they do no harm? | 20:14 |
| tinwhiskers | So we just throw all 100 or so drug candidates at all sick patients and hope? | 20:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Also things known to "do no harm" normally can still negatively affect your outcome if you have covid-19. | 20:23 |
| Thanatos | _abc_: thats what 'the red tape' is for | 20:24 |
| tinwhiskers | My feeling is that this has shown that even people with the best intentions are not free from confirmation bias and the only way to proceed is via controlled trials. Anything else is endangering people, which is at odds with the Hippocratic oath | 20:25 |
| Thanatos | sadly the oligarchs seeking to privatize government are destroying trust in it, by design I suppose | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:22 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Psicologia e salute mentale → https://is.gd/s2l236 | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/csHOUz | 20:33 |
| _abc_ | tinwhiskers: if the 100 or so drug candidates passed human tolerability perhaps in some other context (diabetes drug etc) then by all means yes try them. | 20:34 |
| _abc_ | The red tape is a peacetime measure and also politics and patent system related. Now is not peace time. | 20:35 |
| tinwhiskers | All of them? In every patient? Have you really thought this through? | 20:35 |
| _abc_ | Not all in all but some in some. I think people who get unwell enough are asked whether they wish to participate in trials of new drugs. | 20:37 |
| _abc_ | Unwell enough on covid. Since there is no fixed cure yet. | 20:38 |
| _abc_ | I read something like that recently. | 20:38 |
| tinwhiskers | So how do you choose which ones to give? | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:34 UTC: (news): Remdesivir coronavirus treatment will eventually need a 'sustainable model' to keep it accessible, Gilead CEO says → https://is.gd/YZLesn | 20:40 |
| tinwhiskers | If you just randomly choose something my thought is that would be better done as part of a trial so we do end up learning how to treat other people as well. | 20:41 |
| Arsanerit | I wonder if I'm part of a risk group. I have neurofibromatosis (Von Recklinghausen) which is associated with an increased blood pressure. | 20:41 |
| _abc_ | The patient does not get to choose afaik. Or gets to choose from among the 2 or so trials done at that hospital at one time. | 20:42 |
| tinwhiskers | Doctors are allowed to prescribe things for off-label purposes on compassionate grounds but they well know it's as likely to cause harm as help when you don't know the effects on covid patients, so it doesn't that much. | 20:44 |
| tinwhiskers | *happen that much | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/JcNr8I | 20:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +3483 cases (now 40459), +73 deaths (now 1124) since 23 hours ago — US: +1535 cases (now 1112771), +55 deaths (now 64931) since an hour ago — Canada: +1115 cases (now 54784), +163 deaths (now 3387) since 2 hours ago | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:50 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ingegneria e Design → https://is.gd/qV98JV | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:55 UTC: Add study about correlation between vitamin D and cases/outcomes: This study shows a correlation and suggests supplementation with vitamin D may be beneficial to people who may have a deficiency when they develop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/AelHXz | 21:01 |
| Thanatos | _abc_: CV happens in a soup of life, EPA OSHA all these were being run by lobbiests and cronys , before Covid | 21:06 |
| Thanatos | no more patriot acts IMO | 21:06 |
| tinwhiskers | Within 19 days after symptom onset, 100% of patients tested positive for antiviral immunoglobulin-G (IgG). https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0897-1 | 21:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Was that the one you were looking for LjL? ^ | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il live-thread torna domani mattina. → https://is.gd/0mJnfr | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:23 UTC: Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day: A third of the government's 122,300 tests in 24 hours were sent in the post but not necessarily completed. → https://is.gd/iI4iH4 | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brazil: +4225 cases (now 91589), +312 deaths (now 6329) since 2 hours ago — US: +3206 cases (now 1115977), +98 deaths (now 65029) since 48 minutes ago — India: +2214 cases (now 37257), +69 deaths (now 1223) since 11 hours ago | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:30 UTC: US lawmakers open probe into coronavirus infections on Carnival cruise ships: While the entire cruise industry has been rocked by the coronavirus pandemic, Carnival, which is the largest cruise company in the world, has been at the center of several high-profile outbreaks. → https://is.gd/w7zV1z | 21:37 |
| Arsanerit | are those total cases or live cases? | 21:41 |
| azy | \c uk | 21:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:33 UTC: Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day: A third of the government's 122,300 tests in 24 hours were sent in the post but not necessarily completed. → https://is.gd/iI4iH4 | 21:44 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: what do you mean by live cases? But anyhow, what Brainstorm shows is total cumulated confirmed cases | 21:45 |
| blkshp | Should rename the bot "thoughtshower" :D | 21:46 |
| blkshp | We're not allowed to say brainstorm anymore! | 21:46 |
| mefistofeles | :/ | 21:46 |
| genera | live cases = not dead | 21:47 |
| blkshp | Tell me about it! :@ | 21:47 |
| mefistofeles | genera: what about recovered? | 21:48 |
| genera | oh well. ok. minus the recovered | 21:48 |
| genera | so basically hospitaliced. or in quarantine at home. | 21:48 |
| mefistofeles | ok, that's commonly referred as active cases | 21:48 |
| mefistofeles | just so we get the common language :) | 21:49 |
| mefistofeles | !corona World | 21:49 |
| mefistofeles | !corona | 21:49 |
| mefistofeles | !corona spain | 21:49 |
| mefistofeles | oh is it muted? | 21:49 |
| genera | i think every country tests and report in their own way and in a few years they will finally find time to sort it out | 21:49 |
| mefistofeles | oh no, it'sjust not answering | 21:50 |
| mefistofeles | sYN4P515: hey, CoronaBot not answering, just wanted to let you know | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3199 cases (now 1119176), +104 deaths (now 65133) since 17 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +3137 cases (now 56055), +102 deaths (now 2457) since 23 hours ago — California, US: +62 cases (now 50525) since an hour ago | 21:50 |
| mefistofeles | genera: yes, but the tendency, i.e. where we find peaks and such, should be pretty similar | 21:51 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, even after correction (if you still take the confirmed/tested cases as base) | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 19:46 UTC: Groenlandia: Ho trovato che la è immune a qualsiasi nuova malattia come sul celebre videogioco chiamato "Plague inc: evolved". Ci sono stati 11 casi e ora sono tutti dimessi. La Groenlandia è l'ultima speranza. → https://is.gd/XTQjip | 21:51 |
| mefistofeles | if you take an estimate based on antibodies or something like that, then it's a different story and I'd think that for most countries it would show that they peaked before they thought they did | 21:52 |
| ubLXI | %title http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200429-french-coronavirus-strain-may-be-local-and-may-not-have-come-from-china | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | ubLXI, the URL could not be loaded | 21:55 |
| ubLXI | :\ | 21:55 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 21:55 |
| ubLXI | "French coronavirus strain may be local and may not have come from China" | 21:55 |
| ubLXI | quite the click-bait headline | 21:55 |
| tinwhiskers | indeed | 21:56 |
| mefistofeles | ubLXI: yes, so that's why I think it has peaked before | 21:56 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, that and other data from antibodies tests and such | 21:56 |
| ubLXI | its link to the Pasteur Institute study is bad; should be: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.059576v1 | 21:56 |
| mefistofeles | it was already spreading in the community | 21:56 |
| mefistofeles | and what we see as peaks int he infection, is just actually testing peaking and catching up with the already downward trend on infections | 21:57 |
| genera | so where did it come from? french mountain bats? | 21:58 |
| mefistofeles | genera: no, it came from China, but it had been already spreading in french community since days/weeks before | 21:58 |
| tinwhiskers | it came fromt he same bats. They mean is mutated after arriving in france | 21:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:49 UTC: Coronavirus US live: new Trump press secretary McEnany tells reporters 'I will never lie to you': Kayleigh McEnany holds first White House daily briefing in over a year New York schools to remain closed for rest of academic year Trump says Whitmer should ‘make a deal’ with protesters Coronavirus – global [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Augm8g | 21:59 |
| genera | ah that one chateu in the alps? | 21:59 |
| mefistofeles | so when they had the genome for one of the infections (tested one) it was already one that changed a lot compared to the chinese strain | 21:59 |
| mefistofeles | that's what they mean by "different clade" in layman words | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:55 UTC: Trump's tendency to deny his past statements has become more glaring during coronavirus: Trump walked back two statements about the U.S. response to coronavirus — one on testing and one on the use of disinfectants as treatment — in the past week alone. → https://is.gd/R5LKas | 22:06 |
| mefistofeles | I wonder if anyone is looking for molecular dynamics of mutated S proteins now.... | 22:06 |
| pyna | more glaring in the same way that 100% gets more 100%ish | 22:09 |
| mefistofeles | https://i.imgur.com/3OtYoRV.png wonder if you know what's D and G there, in terms of genotype | 22:11 |
| pyna | definitely looks like we might definitely be starting to think about whether it's time to get ready to think about if we might be just about ready to begin deciding if it's enough already | 22:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 20:11 UTC: Update globale del Dr.John Campbell 1 Maggio (molto interessanti Nuova Zelanda, Australia, Francia e Brasile 3-9-14-19): Trump "acclama di avere evidenze" che il virus è nato in laboratorio a Wuhan, i suoi stessi ufficiali dell'Intelligence lo smentiscono in favore della tesi sull'origine naturale. Secondo il [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3j5ady | 22:13 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: interesting there are some Gs emerging in the D line | 22:13 |
| ubLXI | wonder if that rfi article got mangled in translation or whether it was just a bald click gathering exercise; the Pasteur Institute study it entirely relies on doesn't even claim Wuhan was not the ultimate origin | 22:15 |
| ubLXI | rfi-- | 22:15 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: yes, but I don't know what G and D mean there, :P | 22:15 |
| mefistofeles | ah I know... | 22:18 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: those are aminoacids, hmm interesting, one missense mutation in the S protein | 22:18 |
| mefistofeles | and yeah, these two G's there, pretty weird | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2223 cases (now 1121399), +164 deaths (now 65297) since 41 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +2106 cases (now 64311), +154 deaths (now 3716) since a day ago — South Africa: +304 cases (now 5951) since a day ago | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 20:17 UTC: Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day: A third of the government's 122,300 tests in 24 hours were sent in the post but not necessarily completed. → https://is.gd/iI4iH4 | 22:27 |
| tinwhiskers | Could be crossover or coincidentally the same mutation has occurred 3 times. If the mutation is just a single change then that's not all that unlikely. If it requires multiple changes then it's probably crossover I guess. | 22:28 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: what's crossover? | 22:29 |
| mefistofeles | but it's weird, it's not marked as a mutation in those three points in the lower part... | 22:29 |
| tinwhiskers | genetic transfer between two strains of the virus that have co-infected a person. | 22:29 |
| mefistofeles | ha, I see... yeah probably | 22:30 |
| tinwhiskers | (the same sort of way you get pangolin viral dna in a bat virus) | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | err rna | 22:31 |
| stinkpot | interesting effect tinwhiskers | 22:31 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: hmm, I still find it surprising, tbh | 22:34 |
| mefistofeles | but yeah, crossover may be a good explanation | 22:34 |
| tinwhiskers | genetic transfer between viruses happens quite a bit | 22:35 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: oh yeah, I know that | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | There's 30,000 bases in this virus and we've sequenced 4200 different variations now, but there would be probably be hundreds of times more that number of variants we haven't sequenced. If the G mutation is a single change then it's just a 1 in 30,000 chance of striking it again. It would be unlikely to NOT strike it again. | 22:38 |
| tinwhiskers | so I'm guessing it's more than a single change, but I have no idea. It may not be very unlikely to get the same change through chance when dealing in the millions. | 22:39 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: well, it's a codon change | 22:40 |
| mefistofeles | so you can get that in different ways | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | , ok, sorry. s/mutation/change/ | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | but the point remains the same | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | wait, I did say "change" | 22:42 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: but still, that 1/30000 is not quite like that | 22:42 |
| mefistofeles | these things rarely behave randomly | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | so that makes it even more likely to happen again | 22:42 |
| mefistofeles | it would be interesting to see the correlations with other mutations, which people are probably looking at now | 22:42 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: yes | 22:42 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: so if you mean how many times that happened? yes it's quite a few times | 22:43 |
| blkshp | I just want the dentist to reopen :( | 22:43 |
| tinwhiskers | the point being, it's not that surprising to see it happen again through chance | 22:43 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 22:43 |
| mefistofeles | I think I get it, yes | 22:43 |
| mefistofeles | have to think about it later, now I'm in a meeting xD | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:34 UTC: Coronavirus US live: new Trump press secretary McEnany tells reporters 'I will never lie to you': Kayleigh McEnany holds first White House daily briefing in over a year New York schools to remain closed for rest of academic year Trump says Whitmer should ‘make a deal’ with protesters Coronavirus – global [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Augm8g | 22:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2365 cases (now 1123764), +160 deaths (now 65457) since 32 minutes ago — Connecticut, US: +1064 cases (now 28764), +82 deaths (now 2339) since a day ago — Pennsylvania, US: +898 cases (now 48897), +60 deaths (now 2601) since 23 hours ago | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 21:05 UTC: Science: Scientists get an atomic-level look at how a drug blocks the coronavirus → https://is.gd/g7DFky | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:12 UTC: US lawmakers open probe into coronavirus infections on Carnival cruise ships: While the entire cruise industry has been rocked by the coronavirus pandemic, Carnival, which is the largest cruise company in the world, has been at the center of several high-profile outbreaks. → https://is.gd/w7zV1z | 23:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Bipartisan group pitches the White House on a $46.5 billion Covid-19 plan: to hire an army of 180,000 contact-tracers, book blocks of vacant hotel rooms so Americans sick with Covid-19 can self-isolate, & pay sick individuals to stay away from work until they recover (10063 votes) | https://redd.it/gbga9b | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | !corona france | 23:27 |
| Tramtrist | %cases france | 23:30 |
| Brainstorm | Tramtrist: In all areas, France, there are 167346 total cases (0.2% of the population) and 24594 deaths (14.7% of cases) as of 18 minutes ago. 1.1 million tests were performed (15.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 21:22 UTC: Coronavirus: Target reached as UK tests pass 100,000 a day: A third of the government's 122,300 tests in 24 hours were sent in the post but not necessarily completed. → https://is.gd/iI4iH4 | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 21:24 UTC: Coronavirus: Man dressed as 'Grim reaper' stalks Florida beaches to remind locals of the coronavirus threat → https://is.gd/d1EzCN | 23:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 21:40 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Do You Need A Pulse Oximeter for Coronavirus aka COVID-19 ? Lung Doctor Explains → https://is.gd/KpHL4t | 23:46 |
| LjL | short answer: "yes but not for 5 times its normal price" | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 21:45 UTC: Covid2019: Fauci warns states rushing to reopen amid coronavirus pandemic: ‘You’re making a really significant risk’ - The Washington Post → https://is.gd/ghQ4gb | 23:53 |
| LjL | that looks like a good video though | 23:55 |
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