| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:54 UTC: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade calls on him to drop out of 2020 race – live: Reade sat down with Megyn Kelly for on-camera interview Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ Trump shelves CDC’s reopening guidelines for being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 00:02 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1365 cases (now 3.9 million), +68 deaths (now 270220) since 19 minutes ago — US: +1361 cases (now 1.3 million), +68 deaths (now 76791) since 19 minutes ago — Texas, US: +384 cases (now 36312), +6 deaths (now 1020) since 19 minutes ago — Kentucky, US: +194 cases (now 6128), +11 deaths (now 294) since a day ago | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:03 UTC: Trump says coronavirus tests are 'overrated,' but he will get tested daily: The new daily testing policy for the president and the people in his circle comes hours after the White House acknowledged that a personal valet for Trump tested positive for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/GTGdt5 | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: 'Somebody was stupid' – Trump continues to push Wuhan lab theory → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 00:16 |
| Guest86 | Is this channel logged? | 00:34 |
| dunnp | not publically I don't think | 00:34 |
| Guest86 | Ok thanks! Great service much appreciate all | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:24 UTC: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade calls on him to drop out of 2020 race – live: Reade sat down with Megyn Kelly for on-camera interview Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ Trump shelves CDC’s reopening guidelines for being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2921 cases (now 3.9 million), +96 deaths (now 270316) since 34 minutes ago — US: +180 cases (now 1.3 million), +4 deaths (now 76795) since 34 minutes ago — New Hampshire, US: +103 cases (now 2843), +3 deaths (now 114) since 22 hours ago — Brazil: +2739 cases (now 135106), +92 deaths (now 9146) since an hour ago | 00:37 |
| LjL | dunnp, this channel is logged by the fact that you can join it as a Matrix room and see the full history | 00:41 |
| LjL | the entrymsg says it may be publicly logged for that reason | 00:41 |
| LjL | although it's a bit wierd that someone would join just to ask that, and then leave | 00:42 |
| pwr22 | lol | 00:43 |
| dunnp | ah I see | 00:43 |
| Karyon | Probably just wanted to search for a previous discussion...no big deal lol | 00:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 22:30 UTC: worldnews: Brazil's Health Ministry on Thursday registered 9,888 new confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus and 610 related deaths in the past 24 hours → https://is.gd/EGWOgh | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:39 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US death toll passes 75,000: Madrid health official resigns over plans to ease lockdown and Russia overtakes Germany and France after record rise in cases → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1034 cases (now 1.3 million), +69 deaths (now 76864) since 18 minutes ago — Missouri, US: +140 cases (now 9482), +23 deaths (now 448) since 3 hours ago — Canada: +87 cases (now 64922), +4 deaths (now 4408) since 2 hours ago — Alabama, US: +148 cases (now 9046), +20 deaths (now 369) since 2 hours ago | 00:52 |
| Jigsy | >Families sue UK government over 'little or no education' for their children | 01:02 |
| Jigsy | Guessing these people were too lazy to teach them themselves? | 01:02 |
| Jigsy | >Chinese researchers who tested the sperm of men infected with Covid-19 found a minority had the new coronavirus in their semen, opening up a small chance the disease could be sexually transmitted, scientists have said. | 01:04 |
| Jigsy | Oh, goody... | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:51 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia live news: national cabinet set to ease restrictions in stages – latest updates → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 01:05 |
| ryouma | what is the transmission in air if everybody wears masks? i am thinking specifically of dental work where you are sitting there with your mouth totally open and people coming in and out. | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +381 cases (now 3526), +4 deaths (now 107) since 23 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +419 cases (now 7190), +4 deaths (now 90) since a day ago — Colombia: +497 cases (now 9456), +10 deaths (now 407) since 23 hours ago — Washington, US: +11 deaths (now 891) since 22 hours ago | 01:07 |
| ryouma | ... and dentist used to habits with gloves on where he adjusts the light, touches teh dental tool tray | 01:08 |
| ryouma | %data arizona | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Arizona, US, there have been 9945 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population, +238 in last update) and 450 deaths (4.5% of cases) as of 6 hours ago. 111086 tests were performed (9.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:06 UTC: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade calls on him to drop out of 2020 race – live: Reade sat down with Megyn Kelly for on-camera interview Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ Trump shelves CDC’s reopening guidelines for being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 01:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:24 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/XGq6uM | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Washington, US: +184 cases (now 16878), +11 deaths (now 902) since 34 minutes ago — US: +1142 cases (now 1.3 million), +3 deaths (now 76889) since 34 minutes ago — Georgia (US), US: +66 cases (now 31575) since 2 hours ago — California, US: +83 cases (now 62028) since an hour ago | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:44 UTC: (news): California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says → https://is.gd/MBUiea | 01:47 |
| Jigsy | Well, a virus has to look her best, you know. | 01:49 |
| merethan | It is hard to stop a train once it gets moving. | 01:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New York, US: +251 cases (now 337421) since 3 hours ago — World: +340 cases (now 3.9 million), +19 deaths (now 270449) since 19 minutes ago — US: +340 cases (now 1.3 million), +19 deaths (now 76908) since 19 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +48 cases (now 134986), +16 deaths (now 8834) since 6 hours ago | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 23:52 UTC: Coronavirus: Does obesity increase the risk?: Could the amount of fat in our body increase complications with Covid-19? → https://is.gd/yf50j3 | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +830 cases (now 3.9 million), +51 deaths (now 270500) since 20 minutes ago — Argentina: +163 cases (now 5371), +9 deaths (now 282) since a day ago — Kansas, US: +68 cases (now 6332) since 4 hours ago — Brazil: +587 cases (now 135693), +42 deaths (now 9188) since an hour ago | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:53 UTC: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade calls on him to drop out of 2020 race – live: Reade sat down with Megyn Kelly for on-camera interview Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ Trump shelves CDC’s reopening guidelines for being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: national cabinet set to ease restrictions in stages – latest updates → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +191 cases (now 1.3 million), +17 deaths (now 76925) since 20 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +120 cases (now 135106) since 35 minutes ago — World: +192 cases (now 3.9 million), +18 deaths (now 270518) since 20 minutes ago — Washington, US: +65 cases (now 16943), +2 deaths (now 904) since 49 minutes ago | 02:23 |
| msc386 | Good Grief. | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:23 UTC: (news): California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says → https://is.gd/MBUiea | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:33 UTC: Hydroxychloroquine fails to help hospitalized coronavirus patients in US funded study: Hydroxychloroquine, a decades-old malaria drug touted by President Donald Trump, didn't appear to help hospitalized patients with Covid-19, according to a new observational study. → https://is.gd/PSIrzV | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for California, US: +180 cases (now 62250), +1 deaths (now 2535) since 19 minutes ago — Ivory Coast: +55 cases (now 1571), +2 deaths (now 20) since a day ago — World: +236 cases (now 3.9 million), +3 deaths (now 270521) since 19 minutes ago — US: +180 cases (now 1.3 million), +1 deaths (now 76926) since 19 minutes ago | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:35 UTC: (news): Parts of Asia that relaxed restrictions without a resurgence in coronavirus cases did these three things → https://is.gd/9sUy3Q | 02:43 |
| ryouma | still wonder if dentists are source of commnity spread, fillings creating aerosols | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: national cabinet set to ease restrictions in stages – latest updates → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2027 cases (now 3.9 million), +259 deaths (now 270780) since 19 minutes ago — Texas, US: +29 cases (now 36550), +2 deaths (now 1029) since an hour ago — Mexico: +1982 cases (now 29616), +257 deaths (now 2961) since 23 hours ago — Jamaica: +10 cases (now 488) since 23 hours ago | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: New study suggests even those who had mild symptoms develop antibodies against coronavirus. → https://is.gd/jkw8Nj | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:59 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus origin debate risks reigniting trade tensions; record job losses expected in US: A reignition in U.S.-China trade tensions would be the "the last thing" anyone needs when the world is already reeling from the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, said JPMorgan Asset Management's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +195 cases (now 2081), +11 deaths (now 102) since 22 hours ago — World: +332 cases (now 3.9 million), +18 deaths (now 270798) since 19 minutes ago — Panama: +137 cases (now 7868), +7 deaths (now 225) since 23 hours ago | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:04 UTC: (news): California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says → https://is.gd/MBUiea | 03:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:14 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus origin debate risks reigniting trade tensions; record job losses expected in US: A reignition in U.S.-China trade tensions would be the "the last thing" anyone needs when the world is already reeling from the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, said JPMorgan Asset Management's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Honduras: +224 cases (now 1685), +6 deaths (now 105) since 23 hours ago — World: +237 cases (now 3.9 million), +6 deaths (now 270804) since 20 minutes ago — New Zealand: +1 cases (now 1490) since a day ago | 03:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +34 cases (now 832), +2 deaths (now 23) since a day ago — World: +34 cases (now 3.9 million), +2 deaths (now 270806) since 19 minutes ago | 03:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +12 cases (now 10822) since a day ago — Australia: +12 cases (now 6913) since an hour ago — World: +13 cases (now 3.9 million) since 30 minutes ago — Sri Lanka: +1 cases (now 824) since 6 hours ago | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: national cabinet set to ease restrictions in stages – latest updates → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:00 UTC: Coronavirus live news: WHO says 190,000 could die in Africa as Trump blocks CDC guidance: US death toll passes 75,000; Russian cases overtake Germany and France; international tourism to plunge by 80%. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 04:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +80 cases (now 3.9 million), +2 deaths (now 270808) since 23 minutes ago — Brazil: +80 cases (now 135773), +2 deaths (now 9190) since 2 hours ago | 04:08 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: One of the Potus’s personal valets tests positive for COVID-19 (10095 votes) | https://redd.it/gf8d8c | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:08 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus origin debate risks reigniting trade tensions; record job losses expected in US: A reignition in U.S.-China trade tensions would be the "the last thing" anyone needs when the world is already reeling from the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, said JPMorgan Asset Management's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 04:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:16 UTC: (news): California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says → https://is.gd/MBUiea | 04:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: Scott Morrison to provide restrictions update after national cabinet meeting – latest → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 04:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Cedar Meats knew of two coronavirus cases for several days before telling meatworks staff they could stay home → https://is.gd/M8NX2c | 04:57 |
| swift110 | hey all | 04:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:00 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus origin debate risks reigniting trade tensions; record job losses expected in US: A reignition in U.S.-China trade tensions would be the "the last thing" anyone needs when the world is already reeling from the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, said JPMorgan Asset Management's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Pakistan: +1193 cases (now 25837), +9 deaths (now 594) since 11 hours ago — Mayotte, France: +115 cases (now 854), +1 deaths (now 10) since 2 days ago — British Columbia, Canada: +33 cases (now 2288), +2 deaths (now 126) since a day ago — Nova Scotia, Canada: +9 cases (now 1007), +3 deaths (now 44) since a day ago | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Scott Morrison announces three-step plan to ease restrictions after national cabinet meeting – latest update → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 05:11 |
| blahblahblah | Richard Frechette, a 67-year-old physician and Roman Catholic priest from the United States who is working in Haiti,[20] stated in an article published on 9 April 2020 that | 05:12 |
| blahblahblah | My sister in the United States, sheltering in her place, is enjoying swordfish and salmon every night and playing scrabble. But for here, somebody having to shelter in a place with no chance to go on the streets and hustle to make enough money to live for today, means that tonight they are going to be sitting on their own, hungry with their children and worried about tomorrow.... hand to mouth every day. That’s what makes th | 05:12 |
| blahblahblah | e measures difficult to apply.[20] | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for District of Columbia, US: +193 cases (now 5654), +8 deaths (now 285) since a day ago | 05:23 |
| swift110 | lol | 05:27 |
| LjL | %cases dc | 05:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In District of Columbia, US, there have been 5654 confirmed cases (0.8% of the population, +193 in last update) and 285 deaths (5.0% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=District%20of%20Columbia for time series data. | 05:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:06 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Morrison announces three-step plan to ease restrictions after national cabinet meeting – latest update → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 06:14 |
| ComradeGoldberg[ | Anyone here study the Jewish problem? | 06:18 |
| berkchops | jewish problem? | 06:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:20 UTC: Coronavirus live news: WHO says 190,000 could die in Africa as Australia outlines reopening plan: Trump buries CDC guidelines for reopening businesses; Russian cases overtake Germany and France; international tourism to plunge by 80%. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 06:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus origin debate risks reigniting trade tensions; record job losses expected in US: A reignition in U.S.-China trade tensions would be the "the last thing" anyone needs when the world is already reeling from the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, said JPMorgan Asset Management's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Morrison announces three-step plan to ease restrictions after national cabinet meeting – latest update → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 06:42 |
| sandro_ | %cases germany | 06:50 |
| bellefleur | why didn't germany work? | 06:57 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | !cases germany | 07:27 |
| CovBot | In Germany there have been a total of 169,430 cases as of 2020-05-08 05:15:00 UTC. Of these 20,338 (12.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 141,700 (83.6%) have definitely recovered and 7,392 (4.4%) have died. | 07:27 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | because its ! not % | 07:27 |
| CovBot | In Russia there have been a total of 177,160 cases as of 2020-05-08 05:15:00 UTC. Of these 151,732 (85.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 23,803 (13.4%) have definitely recovered and 1,625 (0.9%) have died. | 07:28 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, good figures for us in germany... must be that we have not a total jerk like johnson, putin, trump or bolsonaro as leader | 07:29 |
| ryouma | there was concern earlier about opening gyms | 07:29 |
| ryouma | tehre | 07:29 |
| ryouma | at least in one of your regions | 07:30 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, we kow that this virus will spread good in schools.. so, there is still concern, but they gonna open them soon | 07:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | .oO(Lets see for how long...) | 07:36 |
| bellefleur | we don't call people jerks here | 07:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but they are =) | 07:37 |
| bellefleur | only jerks call people jerks, i've heard some say. | 07:37 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I'am fine to be one in your eyes, but i still know, johnson and co, is a jerk too =) | 07:38 |
| bellefleur | i also wouldn't credit merkel with anything | 07:38 |
| bellefleur | but obviously some peopel in germany did things right. i'm thinking the early batch testing and isolation was very well done | 07:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | cmon... merkel or such a jerk and liar like johnson..... | 07:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | they should shoot him | 07:39 |
| bellefleur | so now you're calling on a someone to assassinate the british PM? | 07:40 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I'am not callin, I just said what would be better for the whole world | 07:40 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but hey, not my problem, ppl hiere don't die like flies | 07:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | -e | 07:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * but hey, not my problem, ppl here don't die like flies | 07:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but ya can be sure... as uk ciitizen, I would be very pissed by my gov | 07:42 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * but ya can be sure... as uk citizen, I would be very pissed by my gov | 07:43 |
| bellefleur | you're lucky you're not calling on someone to shoot xi jingping or you'd have been banned on this channel by now | 07:44 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ah, I just forget about him ;-) | 07:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:40 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus origin debate risks reigniting trade tensions; record job losses expected in US: A reignition in U.S.-China trade tensions would be the "the last thing" anyone needs when the world is already reeling from the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, said JPMorgan Asset Management's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 07:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | we should bring them all to north korea. they have experience with such things and special facilities | 07:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * ah, I just forgot about him ;-) | 07:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Mark Cuban Hired a Team of Secret Shoppers to Find Out How Businesses Were Opening in Dallas. It’s Not Good. (10025 votes) | https://redd.it/gfj2i1 | 07:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: WHO says 190,000 could die in Africa as UN chief warns of 'tsunami' of hate worldwide → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 07:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia plans reopening in 3 stages; Germany reports over 1,200 cases → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 08:27 |
| withorwithout | Do you know if there's a reddit feed with more "sciency" stuff for COVID-19? | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: states begin easing restrictions from tonight after national cabinet meeting today – latest update → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 08:34 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | withorwithout: I think there's only the main r/science or that one on the main page, I find some other science news through sub forums mostly, but pretty random and covers a lot of areas not just covid | 08:37 |
| withorwithout | G0atB0yP3rs0n: thanks | 08:37 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | withorwithout: np let us know if you get anything better | 08:39 |
| withorwithout | G0atB0yP3rs0n: https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/ this one seems ok, specially with the tags | 08:39 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | withorwithout: yh, thats the main one I meant, pretty good but some of the subreddits have stuff not on there | 08:40 |
| withorwithout | ah ok, will check those | 08:41 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | r/ketoscience has some studies on how diet has affected people's conditions | 08:43 |
| withorwithout | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6489/395 this is interesting, claiming travel bans/restrictions are not as effective | 08:52 |
| tinwhiskers | not as effective as what? | 08:54 |
| withorwithout | as quarantine, self-isolation and hand washing... kinda expected, but still interesting | 08:55 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm... I see. The blurb before the abstract says "Their results suggest that early detection, hand washing, self-isolation, and household quarantine will likely be more effective than travel restrictions at mitigating this pandemic" but the paper itself doesn't mention any of those things; that's just an editorial addition I think. | 08:58 |
| tinwhiskers | It may not be an unreasonable inference, but the paper doesn't say such a thing. | 08:59 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | i think a number of journalists like to hope nobody checks the studies they cite sometimes | 09:01 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and I guess they like to travel | 09:01 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 09:02 |
| G0atB0yP3rs0n | haha yh | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: WHO says 190,000 could die in Africa as UN chief warns of 'tsunami' of hate worldwide → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 09:02 |
| ryouma | taht number seems low. african countries must be doing somethign right if it is correct? | 09:04 |
| withorwithout | 190k deaths is a lot | 09:04 |
| ryouma | it is a lot. but compare to us. | 09:04 |
| ryouma | which has a lower population | 09:04 |
| PlanckWalk | African countries mostly have younger populations | 09:05 |
| ryouma | oh | 09:05 |
| withorwithout | and density I guess | 09:05 |
| ryouma | they could get hit by a second wave then :/ | 09:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | population density, younger ppl, warm weather, less tests | 09:05 |
| darsie | 190 k is 0.015%. | 09:05 |
| ryouma | but nairobi slums and so on probably have high density :( | 09:05 |
| blahblahblah | ryouma, I am totally guessing but I think many some of those countries might not have the ability to test that much i know one had to take some time to test because they had to send them away to another country to be processed. | 09:06 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yeah, if it arrives in slums, this can get ugly | 09:06 |
| blahblahblah | then it took some days to get results back | 09:06 |
| ryouma | you would think so. maybe it was confirmed deaths they referred to and that got lost. | 09:06 |
| ryouma | the confirmed part | 09:07 |
| withorwithout | testing is done in the countries, of course | 09:07 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yep, the logistic part of the test is hard. that's why we have free test capacities here in germany... labs and chems are there, logistic is the problem | 09:08 |
| tinwhiskers | if it was modelled based on current (lacking) data the result might be somewhat lacking too if they failed to correct for the data they have (??) | 09:08 |
| tinwhiskers | it does seem very low to me | 09:09 |
| blahblahblah | ryouma, Somalia lacks testing capacity, so test samples must be sent abroad for processing, which delays results.[8] | 09:09 |
| withorwithout | they still had time, therefore they implemented distancing earlier, compared to US or Europe | 09:10 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | thats why it's so important to develop point-of-care tests very soon | 09:11 |
| withorwithout | also why africa latam implemented strict restrictions even earlier than Europe/USA | 09:11 |
| withorwithout | they knew this could blow out there | 09:11 |
| withorwithout | and they haven't seen the bad part of it, yet, mostly | 09:12 |
| blahblahblah | i am guessing it's hard to know in any country how many undetected cases there are, it's always a guess to a varying degree of accuracy | 09:13 |
| blahblahblah | educated guesses | 09:14 |
| PlanckWalk | Only about 2% of Africa's population is over 70 | 09:14 |
| blahblahblah | oh | 09:14 |
| withorwithout | Nigeria is really worrysome, fwiw. Basically they are not even testing the deaths | 09:14 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes, most cases and even deaths are not going to be confirmed. | 09:15 |
| withorwithout | there are other who are doing ok, SA or Morocco | 09:16 |
| PlanckWalk | (By comparison, something like 12% of US are over 70) | 09:16 |
| blahblahblah | mine are uneducated guesses though | 09:17 |
| blahblahblah | withorwithout, it's pretty sad | 09:17 |
| blahblahblah | God help them | 09:17 |
| ryouma | dunno what you mean by blow out | 09:20 |
| ryouma | is a second wave third wave thing like 1918 plausible? | 09:21 |
| PlanckWalk | Sure | 09:21 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | infectious diseases can always come in waves, aren't they? | 09:21 |
| tinwhiskers | a second wave is certainly plausible | 09:21 |
| tinwhiskers | it may happen due to poor management or less likely genetic changes in the virus. | 09:22 |
| tinwhiskers | (maybe not "less likely") | 09:22 |
| tinwhiskers | well, it's almost a sure bet there will be some places that get a second wave due to poor management. | 09:23 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | we here in germany fear a second wave when tempas get colder, so that ppl tend to crowd in rooms without open windws | 09:23 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | -a | 09:23 |
| tinwhiskers | I really don't think temperature is going to have any significant impact on a disease with a R_eff up around 4. | 09:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia plans reopening in 3 stages; Germany reports over 1,200 cases → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 09:24 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it affects the ppls behavior | 09:24 |
| bellefleur | that's interesting PlanckWalk. question for debate: do poorer countries, with shorter life expectancies, fare better with viruses that particularly target the elderly. | 09:24 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. it makes a difference to the flu because the R0 is so close to 1 though, and that also includes people's behaviours. | 09:25 |
| PlanckWalk | If there is even a relatively small temperature effect, it could push containment measures that work into ones that do not work. | 09:25 |
| PlanckWalk | bellefleur: I really don't know, especially for this virus that we know little about. | 09:25 |
| bellefleur | yes, it's an interesting question though | 09:25 |
| bellefleur | it would be seemingly ironic. poorer country has worse health care and as a result a younger population which ends up not succuming to covid19 as much | 09:26 |
| bellefleur | succumbing* | 09:26 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it's all abut that windows in schools can be open the whole summer... but starting with fall, ppl will sit in rooms full of virus aerosol | 09:27 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | thats why "warm weather" helps | 09:27 |
| PlanckWalk | Also poorer countries are likely to suffer much more from economic effects of control measures. | 09:27 |
| tinwhiskers | it helps, sure, but not enough to actually have any significant impact | 09:27 |
| ryouma | but some places are hot and have hvac | 09:28 |
| PlanckWalk | So there's a horrible sort of logic in doing much less to control spread in some places. :( | 09:28 |
| bellefleur | i believe there is a significant weather effect on covid | 09:28 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it wuld have..you zstr need to imagin how the aerosol coud looks like after 45 minutes with 20-30 kidas in a small room | 09:28 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | geez... sorry, cant type atm | 09:28 |
| bellefleur | that's why we're seeing slow-downs in the north and speed-ups in the south | 09:28 |
| tinwhiskers | don't believe just because there is a seasonal effect on the flu that there is on covid. | 09:29 |
| PlanckWalk | Influenza has basically evolved to be seasonal | 09:29 |
| tinwhiskers | PlanckWalk++ | 09:29 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | tinwhiskers: there is a seasonal effect on how clean is our air indoors | 09:30 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, there is a small seasonal effect, but not enough to drop from an R_eff of around 4 to below 1. Seasonal effects are not going to do squat to save you. | 09:31 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and we know, contact time and virus density, playing a role in the chance of infection and how hard covid can get you | 09:31 |
| tinwhiskers | if management is already putting the R_eff near 1, then seasonal effects may be enough to tip the balance, but good management will be the important factor | 09:32 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | our "chief virologist" here in germany is also concerned about schools and the air there | 09:32 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | there is a (french?) study about spreading in a school... the numbers where not so nice | 09:34 |
| PlanckWalk | We're (Aus) just going into winter now, at the same time as planning to relax some restrictions. We don't be able to give any useful data on seasonality. | 09:34 |
| PlanckWalk | won't* | 09:35 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | 35-45% infectionrate in 5 weeks | 09:35 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and they closed the school only for school holidays | 09:35 |
| PlanckWalk | I'm really suspicious of these 35-45% type of infection numbers in various close environments. | 09:35 |
| PlanckWalk | I've never seen higher than 50% for any environment. I'm wondering if half the population is effectively immune. | 09:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | they had the figures even for 2-3 age classes | 09:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | scoolstaff was around 45% | 09:37 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * schoolstaff was around 45% | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 07:34 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: DOMANDA E RISPOSTA - VEN 8 MAG - Ti Piacerebbe Discutere Apertamente Del Covid-19 Con Una Biologa, Un Biotecnologo e Un Neuroscienziato? → https://is.gd/sb5tVB | 09:38 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | <PlanckWalk "I've never seen higher than 50% "> they belive there is some kind of background immunity, caused by other corona virus infections, but that should not be sooo much | 09:39 |
| PlanckWalk | Yeah, it's weird. | 09:39 |
| PlanckWalk | I can't think of any reason why such a "ceiling" on infection should happen even in close quarters with hundreds of active cases, even in the same rooms. | 09:41 |
| PlanckWalk | For a virus we've never seen before. | 09:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/05/health/coronavirus-children-transmission-school.html | 09:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | about schools and spreading potential | 09:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | our chief virologist said, he wuld have much less stomachepain, if they open all windows and doors in the schools and put fans in the windows | 09:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * our chief virologist said, he would have much less stomachepain, if they open all windows and doors in the schools and put fans in the windows | 09:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * our chief virologist said, he would have much less stomache pain, if they open all windows and doors in the schools and put fans in the windows | 09:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and he is right imho.... same for public transpotation.. bus, tram, etc | 09:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | sub/metro in asian countries is much more ventilated... for exactly such reasons... | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:37 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Britain marks VE Day anniversary under lockdown: 75th anniversary marked with pared-down events, ahead of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ to ease lockdown restrictions → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 09:52 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it simply seems to make a difference if you inhale 1 virus or 100.... and it's cheap to open windows... | 09:52 |
| blahblahblah | thanks for the information weimarnetzbot[m] | 09:52 |
| blahblahblah | I heard for the first time in history New York shut it's entire subway system. | 09:55 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | for those who are able to understand german: | 09:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html | 09:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | this podcast series with christian drosten (virologist @ charité berlin), is very good | 09:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | <blahblahblah "I heard for the first time in h"> afaik at night, 1-5 or so, for cleaning | 09:57 |
| blahblahblah | yes that's right | 09:57 |
| calbasi_matrix | <blahblahblah "My sister in the United States, "> The question is: | 09:58 |
| blahblahblah | my sister isn't in the united states. | 09:58 |
| blahblahblah | that was a quote from a priest i found while looking on wikipedia | 09:59 |
| withorwithout | weimarnetzbot[m]: feel free to give us a summary for those who cannot understand german :P | 10:02 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, they handle a lot of topics arund corona... very centered around childrens in the last few episodes | 10:04 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | * well, they handle a lot of topics around corona... very centered around childrens in the last few episodes | 10:04 |
| genera | https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Coronavirus-Update-Die-Podcast-Folgen-als-Skript,podcastcoronavirus102.html same but as text | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and the risk with opening schools | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ah yeah, they have transcripts, I forgot to tell | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | thx | 10:05 |
| genera | :-) | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: states begin easing restrictions from tonight after national cabinet meeting today – latest update → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 10:06 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I'm really curious, how the easing here will push the numbers for new infections upwards... we should see in 2-4 weeks | 10:13 |
| aradesh | why are UK and USA doing so bad at getting their coronavirus numbers down :/ | 10:14 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I guess, "german angst" was very useful this time | 10:16 |
| aradesh | it will be interesting to see how it goes in germany with their relaxed lockdowns | 10:17 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | I hope it is not going to be interesting... | 10:22 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe we finally start talking about therapies, when we see the figures go up, after lockdown easing | 10:24 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I don't get it, why ppl don't talk extensively about plasma therapy | 10:25 |
| aradesh | watched a youtube video of a guy in czechia, and he said he went out on the public transport there - and he was stunned at how strict everyone was being | 10:25 |
| aradesh | wearing masks, not touching anything, wearing gloves | 10:25 |
| aradesh | so they sound like they're going to do alright | 10:25 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | same with the "open the windows!"... nearly nobody talks about it, but nearly all want to open schools | 10:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:13 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Britain marks VE Day anniversary under lockdown: 75th anniversary marked with pared-down events, ahead of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ to ease lockdown restrictions → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 10:27 |
| Tobi[m] | %cases USA | 10:30 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | mit ! | 10:33 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | !cases usa | 10:33 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 1,292,879 cases as of 2020-05-08 08:19:00 UTC. Of these 998,686 (77.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 217,251 (16.8%) have definitely recovered and 76,942 (6.0%) have died. | 10:33 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | someone should change the topic | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia plans reopening in 3 stages; Russia reports over 10,000 new cases → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 10:34 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | geeeeez, most ppl still sick | 10:34 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | trumpa lumpa will get f****** so hard | 10:34 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I wonder when we'll see the first dead leader of a state | 10:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | And who will it be | 10:37 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | Or we don't see anyone die, because the rats are all given plasma ver soon | 10:38 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | *y | 10:38 |
| aradesh | trump has really badly handled the virus, it is true | 10:40 |
| aradesh | and that he's talking about reopening already... | 10:40 |
| aradesh | that's not gonna go well for america. | 10:40 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe it needs him to get sick, to finally realize that | 10:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | you can't tweet against viruses | 10:42 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but that the most cases are still active, menas that the dead count will rise for a while | 10:44 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | !cases germany | 10:45 |
| CovBot | In Germany there have been a total of 169,430 cases as of 2020-05-08 08:34:00 UTC. Of these 20,338 (12.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 141,700 (83.6%) have definitely recovered and 7,392 (4.4%) have died. | 10:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | 169K cases and 141K recovered... | 10:46 |
| aradesh | weimarnetzbot[m]: well our prime minister got sick too | 10:46 |
| aradesh | almost died by all accounts | 10:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | UK? | 10:46 |
| aradesh | yeah | 10:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ah, yeah, johnson | 10:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, he's safe now.. for a while... | 10:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | So, I dont think it takes long for him, to start trivializing corona again | 10:48 |
| withorwithout | genera: ah, nice, thanks for the transcript link | 10:49 |
| withorwithout | ah shit, pdf transcripts haha | 10:50 |
| genera | yah | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: states begin easing restrictions from tonight after national cabinet meeting today – latest update → https://is.gd/twe7Dt | 10:55 |
| withorwithout | genera: ok, I can get the plain text , apparently | 10:55 |
| withorwithout | now the hard part is actually getting a translator for the whole thing xD | 11:00 |
| CovBot | In Russia there have been a total of 187,859 cases as of 2020-05-08 08:44:00 UTC. Of these 159,528 (84.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 26,608 (14.2%) have definitely recovered and 1,723 (0.9%) have died. | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:04 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Britain marks VE Day anniversary under lockdown: 75th anniversary marked with pared-down events, ahead of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ to ease lockdown restrictions → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia plans reopening in 3 stages; Russia reports over 10,000 new cases → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:33 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Britain marks VE Day anniversary under lockdown: 75th anniversary marked with pared-down events, ahead of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ to ease lockdown restrictions → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 11:44 |
| achelois | https://www.sbs.com.au/news/tanzania-says-faulty-who-test-kits-showed-coronavirus-in-a-goat-and-a-pawpaw | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia plans reopening in 3 stages; Russia reports over 10,000 new cases → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:00 UTC: Silicon Valley: Uber, Lyft and Airbnb cut thousands of jobs as pandemic batters Silicon Valley → https://is.gd/zt5kRh | 12:13 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says (10019 votes) | https://redd.it/gffnwe | 12:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:17 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Britain marks VE Day anniversary under lockdown: 75th anniversary marked with pared-down events, ahead of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ to ease lockdown restrictions → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain reports uptick in daily deaths; Australia plans reopening in 3 stages → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 11:03 UTC: Covid-19 Sedgeway Disinfecting: submitted by /u/magikalderbyshire60 to r/CoronaVirusInfo → https://is.gd/Fs7ROQ | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | R_eff germany (the one I calculate for data that tells about a situation ca 2 weeks in the past) rising since 5 days, now at 0.82 :-/ http://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:04 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Britain marks VE Day anniversary under lockdown: 75th anniversary marked with pared-down events, ahead of Boris Johnson’s ‘roadmap’ to ease lockdown restrictions → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 13:16 |
| _abc_ | Would places like Christmas Island (Bounty mutiny reference) have been spared by the virus? And does that mean that the people on there are not immune and will get it some day? | 13:22 |
| rmonten[m] | DocScrutinizer05: .82 is good, right? Opening up as much as possible while keeping it under 1? | 13:27 |
| genera | abc: Eilean Ghruinneard | 13:28 |
| genera | rmont: that was 14 days ago. when most shops were close, as were bars, hairdressers, schools | 13:29 |
| _abc_ | genera: Who? | 13:29 |
| genera | hah | 13:30 |
| genera | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruinard_Island | 13:30 |
| _abc_ | Was that the Gaelic name or what? Welsh? | 13:30 |
| genera | copypasting from wikipedia. | 13:31 |
| genera | copypasted | 13:32 |
| _abc_ | Well Xmas island is much farther away. | 13:32 |
| _abc_ | I've been reading the stories of various stranded backpackers, RV campers and sailors due to covid-19 | 13:33 |
| genera | interesting. i only seen stories of repatriation by government flights | 13:34 |
| _abc_ | Re: Gruinard: heh repurchased for UKP500 the original sale price. | 13:34 |
| _abc_ | genera: Why? Look harder. | 13:34 |
| genera | ok^ | 13:34 |
| _abc_ | ? | 13:35 |
| rmonten[m] | genera: got it, that's not good.. | 13:35 |
| _abc_ | https://www.google.com/search?q=sailing+stranded+covid-19 | 13:36 |
| rmonten[m] | On that note, are there earlier warning signs that governments monitor? I heard the Belgian government is monitoring absenteism among civil servants. It's supposed to catch possible deterioration sooner than infection numbers. | 13:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:26 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/7fVi3r | 13:44 |
| _abc_ | dafu. The things people do. That was sabotage, I am sure he thought he was saving someone?! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12321959&ref=art_readmore | 13:48 |
| _abc_ | rmonten[m]: would that work? Civil servants elsewhere are known for absenteeism with no reason as a rule, not as an exception. | 13:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:45 UTC: (news): Spain reports uptick in daily coronavirus deaths; Australia plans reopening in 3 stages → https://is.gd/ulmfKj | 13:51 |
| rmonten[m] | _abc_: The idea is to compare with the average. They saw the first wave as a quite clear deviation apparently | 13:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO calls for research into Wuhan market, Indonesia eases travel restrictions → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 13:58 |
| _abc_ | rmonten[m]: I assume then they have the numbers as a corrected/real average over past years? Since absenteeism for "medical" reasons in civil servants is frequently a function of holidays, school start/end and similar mundane issues. | 14:06 |
| _abc_ | Why are all obsessing over Wuhan market. | 14:06 |
| _abc_ | A lot of cases were spread from there but that was not a place where mutations could occur, no? | 14:07 |
| rmonten[m] | yeah | 14:07 |
| _abc_ | But then there's the story of the Wuhan military games earlyer which had a lot of people sick. That was unrelated to the market. | 14:09 |
| _abc_ | And that was in October 2019. | 14:09 |
| _abc_ | https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1183658.shtml | 14:10 |
| Urchin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DmgCHufj5M | 14:10 |
| _abc_ | China does have a lady HawHaw in the media baying for some American woman's guts as she may have brought covid-19 to China! (lord Haw-Haw reference see wikipedia ww2 context) | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Wales says schools will not reopen in June, as UK waits for lockdown announcement → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 14:12 |
| _abc_ | https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11565077/fears-coronavirus-europe-october-french-athletes-military-games-wuhan/ etc | 14:14 |
| Cherenkov | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/ | 14:16 |
| Cherenkov | "Doctors sound alarm about patients in their 30s and 40s left debilitated or dead. Some didn’t even know they were infected." | 14:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO calls for research into Wuhan market, Indonesia eases travel restrictions → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 14:19 |
| _abc_ | No more washingtonpost links please. It is paywalled. | 14:20 |
| _abc_ | German meat industry has high infected counts, 600? | 14:38 |
| _abc_ | I wonder why meat industry packers would be so affected, also seen in US and UK iirc. | 14:38 |
| _abc_ | They would have normal hygienic precautions there, more so than other places, and also workers wear hygienic garb all the time. | 14:39 |
| _abc_ | Something strange is going on imo. | 14:39 |
| _abc_ | https://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/bilder/schlachtbetrieb-101~_v-modPremiumHalb.jpg relevant picture? | 14:40 |
| _abc_ | Perhaps working in the cold air of an abbatoir plays a role. | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 12:45 UTC: Covid2019: White House Rattled by a Military Aide’s Positive Coronavirus Test - The New York Times → https://is.gd/sSkDAM | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Wales unveils 'modest' lockdown changes, signalling no major easing of UK rules → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 15:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Unemployment reaches post-World War II levels, WHO wants to research Wuhan market → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 15:08 |
| Oswell | big whoop | 15:10 |
| Oswell | your website is not as good as mine https://covid19info.live/ | 15:11 |
| Oswell | I get my news from that one, not the one in the channel link's, because there's is just better.. | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:01 UTC: Sorrento Therapeutics and Mount Sinai join forces to develop Covid-19 antibody shield: Sorrento Therapeutics and Mount Sinai Health System in New York City have joined forces to develop an antibody cocktail they hope will shield against Covid-19 infection for up to two months. → https://is.gd/pbAZhh | 15:15 |
| Cherenkov | _abc_: ok :) | 15:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | _abc_: because they're in close proximity to each other for long periods of time. | 15:17 |
| _abc_ | NoImNotNineVolt: but wearing PPE of sorts, and not that close. 2m distance is easy normally. If enforced. I think cold air and ventilation plays a role to spread it. | 15:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Unemployment reaches post-World War II levels, WHO wants to research Wuhan market → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 15:23 |
| Oswell | https://imgur.com/8jBGnas | 15:23 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | they don't maintain 2m separation in US meat packing plants. | 15:23 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | not even close. | 15:23 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | more like 50cm. | 15:23 |
| ubLXI | not off to a great start, Oswell, for a new join | 15:25 |
| Oswell | ubLXI im not here to pander to the great conspiracy | 15:26 |
| ubLXI | the? which great conspiracy are you referring to? | 15:26 |
| Oswell | U know JEW | 15:27 |
| _abc_ | NoImNotNineVolt: the same problem occurs in Germany and Italy or France. Dunno about separation but on a conveyor hung carcass one needs space for the elbows when swinging that knife. | 15:29 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | _abc_: and injuries are so commonplace because spacing is minimized in the interest of efficiency/profit. | 15:30 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | that's my point. | 15:30 |
| _abc_ | The problem with meats is if they are frozen or chilled they may carry virus from the workers into every home. I treat meats like bombs since this started, it is considered infected until cooked. Everything in between gets treated like it came in from the street 5 minutes ago. Including the entire contents of the freezer and it's door and handle. | 15:31 |
| _abc_ | NoImNotNineVolt: noted. | 15:31 |
| _abc_ | Btw frozen legumes are treated the same. | 15:31 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | interesting. | 15:31 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | that's not a bad idea. | 15:31 |
| _abc_ | There are videos from a US MD on yt about how to treat and clean groceries, also covers the meats and frozen veggies issue. As I wrote it above. | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><_abc_> I wonder why meat industry packers would be so affected,<< those are slaves locked in in containers with 4m^2 per person unless they are working | 15:33 |
| _abc_ | DocScrutinizer05: where? USA? Germany? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (germany) exactly same situation like Singapore, just smaller scale | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or UAE | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere there | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eastern european workes getting paid a fraction of minimal wages and sleeping in containers | 15:36 |
| _abc_ | DocScrutinizer05: afaik the workers are now in Eastern Europe not in Germany. They brought back some virus too. | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who do you think is doing the job then? | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:36 UTC: Trump shrugs off the brutal jobs report, focuses more on Flynn: The coronavirus-induced economic freeze has taken a historic toll, the new Labor Department figures show. → https://is.gd/CPzlOx | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:47 UTC: Sorrento Therapeutics and Mount Sinai join forces to develop Covid-19 antibody shield: Sorrento Therapeutics and Mount Sinai Health System in New York City have joined forces to develop an antibody cocktail they hope will shield against Covid-19 infection for up to two months. → https://is.gd/pbAZhh | 15:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Pakistan hired 63,000 people, unemployed by COVID-19, to help plant 10 billion trees (10901 votes) | https://redd.it/gfqosa | 15:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Unemployment reaches post-World War II levels, WHO wants to research Wuhan market → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 15:58 |
| bin_bash | that's a lot of trees | 15:59 |
| ubLXI | it's ok, DocScrutinizer05, _abc_, a wonderful new system for reducing case numbers in meat plants and factory farms is being trialled here: https://northeast.newschannelnebraska.com/story/42102669/state-no-longer-allowed-to-track-processing-plant-data | 15:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | smoke em if you got em | 16:00 |
| ubLXI | "Governor Pete Ricketts said Wednesday that the state won't be releasing specific numbers of cases at meatpacking plants, saying it's a matter of privacy." | 16:00 |
| berkchops | cases can't go up if you can't count them, ez | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those silly murricans | 16:01 |
| berkchops | pandemic is over we're opening for business :| | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, they got a record of doing hazardous experiments to their own innocent unaware people, since the 1950s already, right? | 16:02 |
| _abc_ | The privacy consists in not involving DHS in the context of undocumented workers, no doubt | 16:02 |
| _abc_ | Probably would be bad for agents to go investigate closely and get exposed to virus in the process. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from sending soldiers into atomic test sites while blast, to flooding subway stations with all sorts of gases | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not counting covid cases seems a minor offense in comparison | 16:04 |
| _abc_ | I don't see a problem. Apparently Germany also does not verify each foreign worker working under slave labor conditions, as you said. | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | verify? | 16:05 |
| _abc_ | Yes, check upon. Like now, when they finally ordered checks from what I read in tagesschau.de . | 16:06 |
| ubLXI | you don't see a problem? in the use of slave labour? and in hiding knowledge of its operation? | 16:06 |
| _abc_ | Who are you talking to ?! Who does not understand. | 16:07 |
| berkchops | it's okay trump is building a wall and painting it black | 16:07 |
| berkchops | problem solved right? | 16:07 |
| _abc_ | It's cheaper to declare it black. It's even cheaper to declare a ditch a "wall". | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simple fact: ignoring or hiding covid cases won't make the virus go away. It still will be there and continue to kill people | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the preacher who denied corona until he got sick is a typical US case | 16:10 |
| berkchops | just ignore and hide deaths, problem solved, lets get back to applebees! | 16:10 |
| ubLXI | this article touches on a number of details, the forces in play, and exemplifies worker living conditions: | 16:11 |
| ubLXI | %title https://www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/05/inside-green-empire-farm-upstate-nys-biggest-coronavirus-outbreak-slams-migrant-workers.html | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | ubLXI: From www.syracuse.com: Inside Green Empire Farm: Upstate NY’s biggest coronavirus outbreak slams migrant workers - syracuse.com | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but what do you expect from a country where 75% believe in fake news and conspiracy theories | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:04 UTC: (news): US lawmakers urge Mnuchin to crack down on airlines cutting worker hours after taking billions in coronavirus aid → https://is.gd/Wb9Lww | 16:12 |
| ubLXI | going to drop this here too, as it speaks to the value of holding measured anger for as long as necessary: | 16:13 |
| ubLXI | %title https://sirota.substack.com/p/a-coronavirus-cover-up-is-already | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | ubLXI: From sirota.substack.com: A Coronavirus Cover-Up Is Already Starting - Too Much Information | 16:13 |
| genera | abc, you mean the asparagus harvesters? | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a pity that even when covid kills half of them the rsurviving half will still be convinced that the whole corona thing was a big hoax | 16:22 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | DocScrutinizer05: it's only 44%. | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | caused by chinese 5G base stations | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Unemployment reaches post-World War II levels, WHO wants to research Wuhan market → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 16:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:30 UTC: (news): US lawmakers urge Mnuchin to crack down on airlines cutting worker hours after taking billions in coronavirus aid → https://is.gd/Wb9Lww | 16:33 |
| _abc_ | genera: I mean the meat plant workers. | 16:34 |
| genera | oh | 16:35 |
| genera | not heard of them | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Antibody 'cocktail' in the works but full vaccines could be limited → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 16:40 |
| genera | (eg https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/erntehelfer-rumaenische-staatsanwaltschaft-ermittelt-wegen-chaos-am-flughafen-a-676296ca-5f19-4319-b47a-15d6a6373b7c | 16:40 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:51 |
| LjL | Brainstorm! | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL! | 16:52 |
| LjL | uhm | 16:52 |
| LjL | okay i botched it give me a minute | 16:52 |
| Jigsy | lol. | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Yemen: +9 cases (now 34), +2 deaths (now 7) since a day ago — World: +32924 cases (now 4.0 million) vs prior -247, +1079 deaths (now 271900) since 11 hours ago — US: +2435 cases (now 1.3 million) vs prior 29, +130 deaths (now 77058) since 14 hours ago — Togo: +10 cases (now 145) vs prior 7, +1 deaths (now 10) since 19 hours ago | 16:53 |
| LjL | %cases UK | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, United Kingdom, there have been 206715 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population, +5614 in last update) and 30615 deaths (14.8% of cases) as of 22 hours ago. 1.5 million tests were performed (13.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:46 UTC: Europe: European leaders mark war generation heroics in shadow of pandemic → https://is.gd/ABSXbW | 16:54 |
| _abc_ | genera: I'm in .ro, I know about that scandal. So? In theory, all were healthy, there was a health check beforehead for all. | 16:56 |
| _abc_ | genera: the Spargelpflucker. | 16:56 |
| genera | well. the german population was healthy too )) | 16:57 |
| _abc_ | genera: This country "got" corona via thousands of expats working mostly in support of old people in homes and at their homes in Germany, Italy, Spain and France. | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | They came home when this started and for Easter and it shows in the counts here. | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | Also, what did you expect? The same people shown in the pics boarded 2 or 3 planes. Do you think the distance inside between them was greater? | 16:59 |
| _abc_ | In Germany they live in field accommodation provided by the farmers, and can only contaminate each other, which is unlikely given they were already tested before being accepted. | 17:00 |
| genera | the point is more .. that our Agrarministerium has so much political weight | 17:00 |
| _abc_ | It's more a question of Euros needed to keep people here fed and clothed. | 17:00 |
| genera | which reminds me.. i wanted to go shoping | 17:01 |
| _abc_ | F.ex. UK did not do this and as a result they have rotting stuff on the fields and in orchards. | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Antibody 'cocktail' in the works but full vaccines could be limited → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 17:01 |
| genera | hm | 17:01 |
| _abc_ | Also, locals refused to do the work apparently. | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: six-week-old baby dies with Covid-19; Wales unveils 'modest' lockdown changes → https://is.gd/ccTtKM | 17:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Antibody 'cocktail' in the works but full vaccines could be limited → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Puerto Rico: +125 cases (now 2156) vs prior 63, +5 deaths (now 107) since a day ago — North Carolina, US: +327 cases (now 13868) vs prior 23, +14 deaths (now 527) since 34 minutes ago — World: +1707 cases (now 4.0 million), +85 deaths (now 271985) since 34 minutes ago — US: +615 cases (now 1.3 million), +34 deaths (now 77092) since 34 minutes ago | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:21 UTC: (news): California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says → https://is.gd/MBUiea | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:31 UTC: New York City partners with Salesforce on coronavirus contact tracing program, mayor says: Salesforce will deploy a call center as well as a customer relationship and case management system that will help the city track potential cases and isolate people before they become sick, de Blasio said. → https://is.gd/Wm7jAx | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Norway: +21 cases (now 8055) vs prior 1, +1 deaths (now 218) since 15 hours ago — World: +394 cases (now 4.0 million), +70 deaths (now 272055) since 28 minutes ago — US: +371 cases (now 1.3 million), +69 deaths (now 77161) since 28 minutes ago — Florida, US: +371 cases (now 39199), +69 deaths (now 1669) since 20 hours ago | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Hong Kong bars, gyms and cinemas reopen; 20m Americans lost jobs in April → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 15:45 UTC: Covid2019: Fmr. Acting CDC Dir. Richard Besser says communication from the CDC is not being done in this pandemic → https://is.gd/mca7nW | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2270 cases (now 4.0 million) vs prior 394, +41 deaths (now 272096) since 24 minutes ago — US: +835 cases (now 1.3 million) vs prior 371, +29 deaths (now 77190) since 24 minutes ago — Texas, US: +56 cases (now 36606) vs prior 29, +1 deaths (now 1030) since 15 hours ago — Czechia: +31 cases (now 8065) vs prior 3, +1 deaths (now 271) since an hour ago | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:51 UTC: Trump says he's 'learned a lot from Richard Nixon' during Fox interview – live: 20m lost their jobs in April in worst month since Great Depression US recovery from the pandemic lags behind Europe – as states reopen Ohio urges employers to report workers fearful of returning to work Democrats demand details of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CApj6o | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:09 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Scott Gottlieb, MD su Twitter: "In more than 20 states, the number of new daily cases of covid19 continues to climb, even while testing in these states has not increased significantly and positivity rates remain mostly flat. Some selected states here.… https://t.co/7JWxXC2NpG" → https://is.gd/afHd1c | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:15 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence torched after asking to carry empty boxes at nursing home 'just for the camera': Vice President Mike Pence got roasted after being caught by a live microphone offering to carry empty boxes "just for the camera" into a health-care facility treating coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/AOOzB1 | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1938 cases (now 1.3 million) vs prior 835, +73 deaths (now 77263) since 35 minutes ago — Mississippi, US: +404 cases (now 9090) vs prior 262, +13 deaths (now 409) since a day ago — Minnesota, US: +723 cases (now 10088), +26 deaths (now 534) since 23 hours ago — Jordan: +14 cases (now 508) vs prior 10 since 21 hours ago | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:21 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Hong Kong bars, gyms and cinemas reopen; 20m Americans lost jobs in April → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Antibody 'cocktail' in the works, Amtrak restores more service → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +10841 cases (now 4.0 million) vs prior 2139, +1461 deaths (now 273635) since 20 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +898 cases (now 56900) vs prior 1, +78 deaths (now 3670) since 17 hours ago — India: +1899 cases (now 59205) vs prior 955, +81 deaths (now 1980) since an hour ago — Canada: +478 cases (now 65400) vs prior 87, +65 deaths (now 4473) since 17 hours ago | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:36 UTC: (news): New York investigates coronavirus in children after 5-year-old NYC boy dies from complications, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/vu2QR6 | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Antibody 'cocktail' in the works, Amtrak restores more service → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Restaurants face rocky path to recovery, 4.1 million homeowners skip mortgage payments → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Brazil: +1902 cases (now 140023) vs prior 812, +210 deaths (now 9600) since 36 minutes ago — World: +3752 cases (now 4.0 million), +258 deaths (now 273893) since 36 minutes ago — Turkey: +1848 cases (now 135569), +48 deaths (now 3689) since a day ago — US: +2 cases (now 1.3 million) since 36 minutes ago | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:08 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Mike Pence staffer tests positive for Covid-19 – live: Several staffers forced to exit Air Force Two after aide tests positive New York’s Cuomo: ‘We are finally ahead of the virus’ 20m lost their jobs in April in worst month since Great Depression US recovery from the pandemic lags [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CApj6o | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +140 cases (now 1.3 million) vs prior +2, +3 deaths (now 77562) since 25 minutes ago — Alabama, US: +140 cases (now 9188) vs prior +2, +3 deaths (now 374) since 2 hours ago — World: +397 cases (now 4.0 million), +31 deaths (now 273924) since 25 minutes ago — Ireland: +156 cases (now 22541), +26 deaths (now 1429) since a day ago | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:18 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence torched after jokingly asking to carry empty boxes at nursing home 'just for the camera': Vice President Mike Pence got roasted after being caught by a live microphone jokingly offering to carry empty boxes "just for the camera" into a health-care facility treating coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/AOOzB1 | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:25 UTC: New York City partners with Salesforce on coronavirus contact tracing program, mayor says: Salesforce will deploy a call center as well as a customer relationship and case management system that will help the city track potential cases and isolate people before they become sick, de Blasio said. → https://is.gd/Wm7jAx | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Restaurants face rocky path to recovery, 4.1 million homeowners skip mortgage payments → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3913 cases (now 4.0 million) vs prior +397, +71 deaths (now 273995) since 20 minutes ago — US: +3907 cases (now 1.3 million) vs prior +140, +68 deaths (now 77630) since 20 minutes ago — Arizona, US: +581 cases (now 10526) vs prior +238, +67 deaths (now 517) since a day ago — New York, US: +3051 cases (now 340472) vs prior +251 since an hour ago | 19:36 |
| disillusion | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/world/americas/mexico-coronavirus-count.html | 19:37 |
| disillusion | "The Mexican government is not reporting hundreds, possibly thousands, of deaths from the coronavirus in Mexico City, dismissing anxious officials who have tallied more than three times as many fatalities in the capital than the government publicly acknowledges, according to officials and confidential data reviewed by The New York Times." | 19:37 |
| ubLXI | decent narrative to keep in mind and provoke thought as restriction-lifting looms: https://erinbromage.wixsite.com/covid19/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, US: +323 cases (now 36932) vs prior +3, +14 deaths (now 1044) since 17 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +1647 cases (now 136753) vs prior +120, +125 deaths (now 8959) since 17 hours ago — Germany: +471 cases (now 169901) vs prior +56, +12 deaths (now 7404) since 20 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +339 cases (now 32061) vs prior +43, +4 deaths (now 1360) since 2 hours ago | 19:51 |
| LjL | ubLXI, hm, not sure if the maths for the amount of virions needed is so precisely established, but still good points i guess | 19:55 |
| ubLXI | that was my mind when i chose the wording "provoke thought" | 19:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 17:50 UTC: Science: Fired scientist back to peddling anti-vaxx COVID-19 conspiracy theories → https://is.gd/y8EUNJ | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 17:58 UTC: ljl-covid: Add post about re-opening and associated risks → https://is.gd/rQzu9F | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Dakota, US: +239 cases (now 3144) vs prior +126 since a day ago — Kansas, US: +209 cases (now 6568) vs prior +3 since 2 hours ago — World: +832 cases (now 4.0 million), +17 deaths (now 274233) since 19 minutes ago — US: +832 cases (now 1.3 million), +17 deaths (now 77851) since 19 minutes ago | 20:06 |
| pyna | trump is gonna get covid and be fine but spread it all over | 20:09 |
| ubLXI | well, part of it anyway. help to provoke risk balancing thoughts, too | 20:11 |
| LjL | ubLXI, Milan mayor made a rather unusual speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXa3DHp0FpE i cannot link directly to something with english subtitles, but just enable CC and set it to auto-translate | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:11 UTC: (news): New York investigates coronavirus in children after 5-year-old NYC boy dies from complications, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/vu2QR6 | 20:18 |
| pyna | speaking of that, i used google translate on an italian web page about synth patches and was amazed at how perfectly fine the translation was | 20:18 |
| berkchops | https://twitter.com/cogitatotomato/status/1258501727734558720 | 20:19 |
| ubLXI | those autosubs were brutal, though | 20:19 |
| ubLXI | what was happening on the Navigli? | 20:20 |
| LjL | ubLXI, there have long been a busy nightlife area, and somewhat recently the actual water and near-to-the-water parts were restored and made decent, so it's nice to just stroll there... evidently WAY too nice, there are also small streets and there were pictures and videos today of crowds of people all over the place | 20:22 |
| LjL | those people put in danger themselves, anyone the live with, and even simply those who live in those areas and have to be met with crowds just when they leave home to buy groceries | 20:22 |
| LjL | even in my area which is not busy at all i saw way too many people two days ago when i went to the pharmacy | 20:23 |
| LjL | as in... more people than there normally were *before* the lockdown | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ohio, US: +882 cases (now 23016), vs prior +3,, +32 deaths (now 1306) since 23 hours ago — World: +882 cases (now 4.0 million), +276 deaths (now 274509) since 29 minutes ago — US: +882 cases (now 1.3 million), +32 deaths (now 77883) since 29 minutes ago — France: +243 deaths (now 26230) since 23 hours ago | 20:23 |
| ubLXI | google images for Navigli in last 24 hours probably doesn't do it justice | 20:23 |
| LjL | ubLXI, what about https://www.google.com/search?q=navigli%20pieni%20di%20gente&tbm=isch&tbs=qdr%3Ad&client=firefox-b-d&hl=en&ved=0CAEQpwVqFwoTCPjB-8_xpOkCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF&biw=1471&bih=754 | 20:24 |
| LjL | https://www.ilovepalermocalcio.com/fotoarticoli/2020/05/Senza-titolo-9-6.jpg | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: 'Delayed epidemic' takes hold in eastern Europe, Italy reaches 30,000 deaths → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 20:25 |
| genera | he talked of an ultimatum. my google tels | 20:30 |
| LjL | well, he basically said stop being dicks, or if i see videos of crowded places again, i'll shut all areas of interest down | 20:31 |
| genera | take out food | 20:31 |
| LjL | take out food has been allowed again, but the law also says you must *leave* the place and consume it *elsewhere* | 20:32 |
| LjL | of course this is the kind of law that is very liable to being ignored | 20:32 |
| genera | restaurant are closed and everyone stands in front and waits for his take out food | 20:32 |
| LjL | which is the problem with supposedly "partial" re-openings | 20:32 |
| genera | works surprisingly well here. maybe people cook at home | 20:33 |
| Butterfly^ | https://twitter.com/riotwomennntemp/status/1258738058314252290?s=21 | 20:35 |
| Butterfly^ | @RiotwomennnTemp (Riotwomennn Temporary Because Copyright BS): Exposed as a fraud. Video of Mike Pence @VP supposedly delivering PPE to an Alexandria, VA nursing home for the cameras Jimmy Kimmel explains what was caught on a hot mic The boxes were empty No mask No PPE No integrity Folks, we have to get them out of our White House https://t.co/Zq35HayiKv (5 hours and 56 minutes ago) | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sudan: +181 cases (now 1111), vs prior +78, +7 deaths (now 59) since a day ago — World: +467 cases (now 4.0 million), +26 deaths (now 274535) since 19 minutes ago — US: +270 cases (now 1.3 million), +19 deaths (now 77902) since 19 minutes ago | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:46 UTC: WHO says 'delayed epidemic' takes hold in Eastern Europe as coronavirus cases in Russia rise: Russia is now the world's fifth-most infected country with more than 187,800 cases, surpassing Germany and France, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/v9tB4h | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Donald Trump says virus will 'go away without a vaccine' → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2725 cases (now 4.0 million), vs prior +467, +191 deaths (now 274726) since 38 minutes ago — US: +395 cases (now 1.3 million), vs prior +270, +12 deaths (now 77914) since 38 minutes ago — Canada: +913 cases (now 66313), vs prior +478, +94 deaths (now 4567) since 2 hours ago — Nepal: +3 cases (now 105), vs prior +1 since 4 hours ago | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: 'Delayed epidemic' takes hold in eastern Europe, Italy reaches 30,000 deaths → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 21:07 |
| LjL | wow, we tested more than 70000 people today | 21:09 |
| LjL | (or at least we got their test results today) | 21:09 |
| LjL | but Milan is still not going doooooown | 21:11 |
| LjL | unlike everywhere else | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 19:18 UTC: ljl-covid: Add paper showing almost all patients seroconvert → https://is.gd/P92D3i | 21:21 |
| _abc_ | seroconvert? | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +680 cases (now 1.3 million), vs prior +395, +50 deaths (now 77964) since 19 minutes ago — S. Sudan: +16 cases (now 90) since a day ago — Costa Rica: +8 cases (now 773), vs prior +4 since a day ago — World: +714 cases (now 4.0 million), +56 deaths (now 274782) since 19 minutes ago | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | _abc_: develop antibodies | 21:24 |
| LjL | _abc_, develop antibod... oh | 21:24 |
| _abc_ | My neighbor has 2 cats and is breaking isolation right now. | 21:26 |
| _abc_ | The problem I see is "all confirmed patients". Meaning, the asymptomatic ones may or may not have also developed antibodies. | 21:27 |
| LjL | confirmed means PCR tested positive | 21:28 |
| LjL | some of them may well be asymptomatic | 21:29 |
| LjL | depending on the testing policies | 21:29 |
| genera | seroconversion also means afaik IgF disapperes and IGG or something apperes | 21:29 |
| genera | its too complicated for me | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:29 UTC: Trump shrugs off the brutal jobs report, focuses more on Michael Flynn case: Trump said he's not to blame after the Labor Department reported a devastating loss of more than 20 million jobs in the coronavirus crisis last month. → https://is.gd/CPzlOx | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Paraguay: +101 cases (now 563), vs prior +22 since a day ago — World: +118 cases (now 4.0 million), +1 deaths (now 274783) since 22 minutes ago — Chad: +7 cases (now 260), +1 deaths (now 28) since a day ago — Liberia: +10 cases (now 199) since 22 hours ago | 21:36 |
| tinwhiskers | genera: In the initial (primary infection) phase of the infection, immunoglobulin M (IgM) antibodies are produced and as these levels drop (and become undetectable) immunoglobulin G (IgG) levels rise and remain detectable. Upon reinfection, IgM antibodies usually do not rise again but IgG levels will increase. Thus an elevated IgM titre indicates recent primary infection, while the presence of IgG suggests past infection or immunization | 21:40 |
| tinwhiskers | . | 21:40 |
| tinwhiskers | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seroconversion) | 21:41 |
| genera | yup | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 19:34 UTC: Policy: White House downplays COVID-19 messaging to open business faster → https://is.gd/jmJMYg | 21:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Donald Trump says virus will 'go away without a vaccine' → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3884 cases (now 4.0 million), vs prior +118, +131 deaths (now 274914) since 22 minutes ago — US: +2923 cases (now 1.3 million), vs prior +680, +131 deaths (now 78095) since 37 minutes ago — Ghana: +921 cases (now 4012), vs prior +372 since a day ago — Alaska, US: +3 cases (now 377), vs prior +2 since a day ago | 21:51 |
| tinwhiskers | The press secretary of US Vice President Mike Pence, who is married to one of President Donald Trump’s senior advisors, has tested positive for coronavirus. | 21:52 |
| _abc_ | https://imgur.com/gallery/9rgRF8e cross posting | 21:55 |
| bellefleur | tinwhiskers: yes, they've had a few positives recently at the white house | 22:02 |
| bellefleur | crosses for what? | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: 'Delayed epidemic' takes hold in eastern Europe, Italy reaches 30,000 deaths → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 22:03 |
| tinwhiskers | erm... for a good outcome for the USA... | 22:03 |
| bellefleur | they've changed their protocol. i think they're testing more often. | 22:03 |
| bellefleur | plus i think they're now asking white house staff to wear masks while at work. | 22:04 |
| bellefleur | these white house positives must mean that cases overall are spiking in that region: washington dc. | 22:10 |
| LjL | Spec, ↑ | 22:10 |
| bellefleur | does the case bot drill down to cities or only country level? | 22:10 |
| LjL | state level, in the case of the US | 22:10 |
| bellefleur | is it % or !? | 22:10 |
| LjL | but for DC, well, that counts too | 22:10 |
| LjL | %cases dc | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In District of Columbia, US, there have been 5654 confirmed cases (0.8% of the population, +193 in last update) and 285 deaths (5.0% of cases) as of 16 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=District%20of%20Columbia for time series data. | 22:10 |
| LjL | ! works but that's a different bot | 22:10 |
| bellefleur | oh wow, so not huge spikes | 22:10 |
| bellefleur | 193 in last update means 24 hours? | 22:11 |
| LjL | no, it means since 16 hours ago | 22:11 |
| bellefleur | ok | 22:11 |
| LjL | actually not | 22:11 |
| LjL | 16 hours ago is the last update | 22:11 |
| LjL | it just doesn't tell you which timespan 193 refers to | 22:11 |
| LjL | as it doesn't know. i added that information recently but maybe it does not make sense | 22:12 |
| bellefleur | but are these updates generally once a day? | 22:12 |
| LjL | eh, it depends on the place | 22:12 |
| bellefleur | so we can assume they represent roughly a 24 hour period? | 22:12 |
| LjL | no, you have to know it for a given place | 22:12 |
| bellefleur | oh ok | 22:12 |
| LjL | i'm not sure about DC | 22:12 |
| LjL | but anyway you can look at the graph | 22:12 |
| LjL | it has a linear look | 22:12 |
| LjL | despite today being many more cases than yesterday | 22:12 |
| LjL | and... yes, i think based on the graph, 193 is the last 24 hours after all | 22:13 |
| bellefleur | ok, so not quite an exponential explosion | 22:13 |
| LjL | the graph for Virginia looks more worrisome in terms of exponential | 22:13 |
| bellefleur | maybe that's coming | 22:13 |
| bellefleur | oh, there's a part of virginia which essentially is part of the dc area | 22:13 |
| bellefleur | like part of nj is really the ny people who live in nj and work in ny | 22:13 |
| LjL | yes i am aware of such part | 22:14 |
| bellefleur | also part of maryland | 22:14 |
| LjL | Pennsylvania has more cases, but it's tapering off | 22:14 |
| LjL | Maryland looks pretty exponential | 22:14 |
| bellefleur | so some of those white house staff testing positive might live in virginia or maryland | 22:14 |
| bellefleur | or might have friends or relatives who live in such, etc | 22:14 |
| LjL | well there's more, possibly | 22:15 |
| LjL | i have the graphs for the amount of testing in the three states we've mentioned | 22:15 |
| LjL | but i don't have the graph for DC | 22:15 |
| LjL | so, how much have they been testing? if they haven't ramped up the testing that might explain apparent linear growth despite actual exponential growth | 22:16 |
| bellefleur | yep, we would have to know how good their testing is. | 22:17 |
| bellefleur | i had a page that documented testing by states, but i forgot it :( | 22:17 |
| bellefleur | ah, found it! | 22:18 |
| bellefleur | https://covidtracking.com/ | 22:18 |
| LjL | lol, it just made my browser crash | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | ah, yes, I get my US state info from there (https://covidtracking.com/api) | 22:19 |
| LjL | bellefleur, shameless prop, but since no one reads it: in the channel topic, there is https://covid19.specops.network/ where i gather all the resources that seem useful | 22:19 |
| LjL | covidtracker is the first thing listed under "North America" | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +663 cases (now 8895), vs prior +424, +17 deaths (now 178) since a day ago — World: +3132 cases (now 4.0 million), +170 deaths (now 275084) since 38 minutes ago — US: +1715 cases (now 1.3 million), +153 deaths (now 78248) since 38 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1612 cases (now 75333), +150 deaths (now 4702) since a day ago | 22:21 |
| bellefleur | aha thanks | 22:22 |
| LjL | bellefleur, https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/ suggests that DC is very much below the desirable amount of testing | 22:22 |
| LjL | (it's based on covidtracking data) | 22:22 |
| LjL | wait, was looking at the wrong table | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:20 UTC: WHO says 'delayed epidemic' takes hold in Eastern Europe as coronavirus cases in Russia rise: Russia is now the world's fifth-most infected country with more than 187,800 cases, surpassing Germany and France, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/v9tB4h | 22:24 |
| bellefleur | DC has tested 3.7% of its population | 22:25 |
| bellefleur | is that low or high compared to other places? | 22:25 |
| LjL | %wa population of virginia | 22:26 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Virginia | population): Result: 8.536 million people (2019) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+virginia | 22:26 |
| LjL | %wa 123152 / 8536000 | 22:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (123152/8536000): Decimal approximation: 0.014427366447985004686035613870665417057169634489222118088... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=123152+%2F+8536000 | 22:27 |
| LjL | well, higher than virginia apparently | 22:27 |
| tinwhiskers | bellefleur: that's about in the lower third of US states. | 22:28 |
| bellefleur | tinwhiskers: that's hard to believe. not sure i believe that. | 22:28 |
| pyna | hmm, there's some stats relating to total population on this page for my city, but i don't think they've calulated just #tests/#population. | 22:29 |
| pyna | https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/testing-and-data/ | 22:29 |
| Spec | bellefleur: i'm surprised it wasn't spiking in DC previously | 22:30 |
| pyna | cases per-10000 map at the bottom has the data buried in it | 22:30 |
| tinwhiskers | bellefleur: http://offloop.net/covid19/?byPopulation=yes&default=Washington;New%20York;New%20Jersey;Massachusetts;Rhode%20Island (see the fourth graph down on tests) | 22:31 |
| LjL | Spec, it's still not spiking really, it's linear, virginia's doing worse :P | 22:31 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but that doesn't include DC! | 22:31 |
| pyna | looks like .04% tested in my zip code | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | no, but the rates are similar | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Rhode Island 7%, Washington 2% | 22:32 |
| tinwhiskers | NY 5% | 22:32 |
| Spec | LjL: excellent | 22:32 |
| Spec | flantastic | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Err, Washington state is 3% rather | 22:33 |
| pyna | err no ~3% | 22:33 |
| LjL | somehow i feel that our testing curve is much more solid than the ones in these states, despite the final number itself being lower than many... http://offloop.net/covid19/?byPopulation=yes&default=Washington;New%20York;New%20Jersey;Massachusetts;Rhode%20Island;Italy | 22:35 |
| pyna | so 3.7% seems "about the same" in the comparison i have the wherewithal to look at | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yes, those US numbers are very high compared to most other countries | 22:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, then why are americans complaining they aren't testing enough all the time?! :P | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | mmm | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | well, maybe "most other countries" was not the right way to say it | 22:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Many of the other prominent players such as Italy, Belgium, Spain, Germany, Switzerland are still higher than the US | 22:38 |
| LjL | but not higher than (some of) those particular states i guess | 22:38 |
| LjL | anyway my point was, the curves for testing in those states look very erratic | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | but the US has certainly picked their game up after a shoddy start | 22:39 |
| pyna | dr on CNN just said what he's looking for as "we're testing enough" is if 90% or more tests are negativ | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 22:39 |
| LjL | the curve for Italy ends up lower than some and higher than some | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | yah | 22:39 |
| LjL | but it also looks like it's growing somewhat exponentially | 22:39 |
| LjL | which seems like the right thing to be doing, if the disease itself is (potentially) growing exponentially | 22:39 |
| LjL | pyna, for us, one doctor said 3% positive was the line | 22:40 |
| pyna | so my zip code is only 73% negative | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, the worst affected countries seem to put more effort into testing :-) | 22:40 |
| LjL | and recently we've been below that | 22:40 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but also, putting more effort into testing may make them look more affected! | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | fair | 22:41 |
| LjL | which is a bit of the whole conundrum we've had for a few months :P | 22:41 |
| pyna | nice LjL - not competent to speak on the line - but under 3% seems pretty nice | 22:41 |
| withorwithout | So, have you heard about the Tanzanian papaya testing positive for the virus? :/ is that real? | 22:41 |
| rager | the feds in the US have been insisting on not testing and not building models | 22:42 |
| rager | because the make them look bad | 22:42 |
| Butterfly^ | https://youtu.be/2xfVeDjuF1E ‘Mourning In America’ Ad Sets Off Trump Rage Tweeting | The Last Word | MSNBC | 22:43 |
| tinwhiskers | https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/arizona-state-health-department-tells-modeling-team-to-stop-work1 | 22:43 |
| LjL | withorwithout, first time i hear about it, but a cursory look makes it obvious that the papaya was "tested positive" to show that these laboratory tests are faulty, not to show that the papaya was actually positive | 22:43 |
| withorwithout | yes, or maybe contamination | 22:43 |
| withorwithout | but still, worrysome | 22:43 |
| Butterfly^ | what a fucking mental fruitcake | 22:44 |
| pyna | 47% positive tests in one zip code in my fair city | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | pyna: ouch | 22:44 |
| pyna | but pretty low coverage compared | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | only testing people who are ventilators :-/ | 22:44 |
| rager | some idiot in here was claiming that with this little testing in the US, there was enough surveillance to open up | 22:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: 'Delayed epidemic' takes hold in eastern Europe, Italy reaches 30,000 deaths → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 22:45 |
| rager | this little testing/this much community spread | 22:45 |
| LjL | <Butterfly^> what a fucking mental fruitcake ← please do i really have to keep saying this sort of outburst is not okay? you linked to the thing, that's sufficient, no need for epithets | 22:45 |
| withorwithout | US is not that bad on testing, they also have some results from antibodies and such, so it'snot that "blind" as you put it | 22:45 |
| pyna | hmm nope 5% population tested. yikes | 22:45 |
| LjL | withorwithout, so far i have many doubts on the antibody tests conducted. which ones do we have actual papers out on, at this point? | 22:46 |
| pyna | gotta stop eyeballing the numbers and actually doing the calculation first :( | 22:46 |
| withorwithout | LjL: plenty, specially from China, but the tests from other countries are showing similar results | 22:46 |
| withorwithout | these tests need time | 22:47 |
| LjL | withorwithout, i meant the tests in the US | 22:47 |
| Butterfly^ | LjL : don't mean this in a bad way, but which word exactly was out of line? i want to know what's tolerable and what's not | 22:47 |
| withorwithout | Butterfly^: you keep posting memes, so there is that | 22:48 |
| LjL | withorwithout, i have a test from Italy where an entire "cluster" town, quarantined, was tested with PCR two (possibly three) times, at 15 day distance. a 3%ish rate of positive was found, with 43% asymptomatic throughout | 22:48 |
| Butterfly^ | withorwithout : i posted a youtube vid, that's not a meme | 22:48 |
| pyna | so much of these maps are so similar to poverty and race maps it feels like it would be interesting to find the places, if any, where they diverge significatly | 22:48 |
| LjL | withorwithout, i am concerned about the fact that antibody tests seem to paint a different picture. so far, i believe PCR is more reliable, when used this way at least since in other cases it tells us little. | 22:49 |
| LjL | Butterfly^, "what a" were, per se, acceptable, but a typical expression to introduce a series of subsequent terms none of which were acceptable, at least in the senses they had together | 22:49 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | rt-pcr testing is still hugely unreliable at determining who is infected and who is not | 22:50 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | but i agree that it's still way better than serology tests | 22:50 |
| LjL | also, this channel accepts politics but i think it should be political discussion that is created around a COVID discussion, not just "look at what an idiot X politician is <video>" | 22:50 |
| Butterfly^ | wait, what, the thing you got offended by is "what a" ? | 22:50 |
| withorwithout | Not sure, from what I've read, there seem to be more problems with rt-PCR testing than with antibodies testing, but both are unreliable to some extend... | 22:51 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, i understand it's more liable to giving a false negative than a false positive? | 22:51 |
| LjL | Butterfly^, ... no | 22:51 |
| LjL | please reread | 22:51 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | LjL: yes. but a lot of the accuracy issues seem related to sample prep, etc. | 22:51 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, withorwithout: anyway, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20053157v1 is the study in question | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5584 cases (now 4.0 million), vs prior +3132, +140 deaths (now 275224) since 35 minutes ago — Tennessee, US: +345 cases (now 14441), vs prior +158, +2 deaths (now 241) since a day ago — Missouri, US: +131 cases (now 9692), vs prior +79, +25 deaths (now 479) since 6 hours ago [... want %more?] | 22:52 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | so maybe there's hope for improvement. | 22:52 |
| pyna | Butterfly^: i think the ask is to limit the editorializing and opinion that doesn't serve a purpose for the discussion | 22:52 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | interesting. lower rate of asymptomatic carriers than other similar studies. | 22:52 |
| Butterfly^ | LjL : i'm honestly quite confused why you think my language was out of line, if my language was out of line, please tell me which words exactly were the ones that tipped the point, English is only my 3rd language that i accidentally picked up on accident, never had a single lesson in English, so excuse me if i'm not always seeing subtle suggestions | 22:52 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | though not by too much. | 22:52 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | 'on accident' is a very midwest way of saying 'by accident' | 22:53 |
| LjL | Butterfly^, i'll make it simpler then: don't post links about politics or politicians unless they are being discussed; don't call politicians (or other people) any names. only discuss their politics, not their person. | 22:53 |
| withorwithout | LjL: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/06/details-of-a-new-anti-coronovirus-neutralizing-antibody you can check for peer-reviewed references there, there are a couple | 22:54 |
| Butterfly^ | okay, i'm truly shocked by that response whatsoever, how can someone never post something unless it's being discussed? most discussions start when someone posts something | 22:54 |
| LjL | Butterfly^, most discussions do not start by someone posting a link | 22:54 |
| LjL | this is not reddit | 22:54 |
| Butterfly^ | links are often the action that cause reaction | 22:55 |
| LjL | also you can stop acting truly shocked, i don't care how shocked it makes you | 22:55 |
| LjL | just don't do it | 22:55 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | at least not politics. i mean, irc is already overrun with political debate. can we not have one channel for science?! :P | 22:55 |
| LjL | you wanted a simple, easy to follow rule, you get one | 22:55 |
| withorwithout | Butterfly^: just let it go, and try to minimize posting things that do not have much content but just "drama", I guess... | 22:55 |
| Butterfly^ | i'm honestly truly shocked, i'm not faking it | 22:55 |
| LjL | okay, you said that before, an i'm saying that i don't care. if you're THAT shocked, leave the computer for a bit and breathe some fresh air, or something. | 22:56 |
| withorwithout | drama... | 22:56 |
| withorwithout | back to reddit xD | 22:56 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | in the interest of moving on to a new subject, what do you guys make of the d614g spike mutation reported last week and now drawing media attention | 22:56 |
| pyna | it's ok if you are shocked, it's not someone else's responsibility to minister to your shock | 22:56 |
| LjL | NoImNotNineVolt, the one that would make the virus purportedly more infectious? i don't really have an opinion but something has to explain the difference between china and europe. if "strictness" is it, well so be it, but i'm not sure | 22:57 |
| LjL | scientifically, though, i have no idea | 22:57 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i'm looking forward to figuring out how to use https://nextstrain.org/ncov/ to identify those strains :P | 22:58 |
| tinwhiskers | NoImNotNineVolt: there's a bit over at Ars on that which is a good read. There are some concerns about the evidence showing it is more infectious: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/draft-study-conclusions-on-sars-cov-2-mutation-overstep-data-grab-headlines/?comments=1 | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Google will start reopening offices in June, Californians can vote by mail in November → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | There's a number of reasons why it may have become dominant other than being more infectious | 22:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | tinwhiskers: that's interesting. that didn't even occur to me. | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | but, that's also a possibility | 22:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i just jumped straight to the bad news assumption :P | 22:59 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it seems more fit, in the darwinian sense. to me that implies more infectious. | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe | 23:00 |
| Butterfly^ | lol | 23:03 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | good article. thanks. | 23:04 |
| pyna | "People tend to view peer review as a way of ensuring a paper's data is valid. But it typically performs an equally important function: determining whether a paper's data supports the conclusions its authors reach." haha | 23:04 |
| pyna | love it | 23:04 |
| bin_bash | so true | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:54 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Mike Pence's press secretary tests positive for Covid-19: Trump confirms Miller is White House staffer who tested positive New York’s Cuomo: ‘We are finally ahead of the virus’ 20m lost their jobs in April in worst month since Great Depression US recovery from the pandemic lags behind [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CApj6o | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +375 cases (now 170489), vs prior +24, +23 deaths (now 7468) since an hour ago — Georgia (US), US: +48 cases (now 32126), vs prior +17, +33 deaths (now 1395) since 2 hours ago — Utah, US: +195 cases (now 5919), vs prior +129 since a day ago — Kansas, US: +9 cases (now 6580), vs prior +3 since 2 hours ago | 23:07 |
| withorwithout | NoImNotNineVolt: by the way, the mutation appeared first in China, and it just doesn't seem to be that spreaded in China, it is not dominant there (could many reasons for that) | 23:09 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | withorwithout: really? my understanding is that it happened in europe, probably belgium, in early february. | 23:10 |
| withorwithout | NoImNotNineVolt: no, it appeared in China first | 23:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, I thought it aorse in europe too and was the source of that other bad headline... | 23:10 |
| withorwithout | there are some genomes from China showing it first | 23:10 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i need to do BLAST on d614g vs all the stuff in gisaid | 23:11 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | withorwithout: because you're the first person i'm hearing this from | 23:11 |
| withorwithout | NoImNotNineVolt: no need, just check nextstrain.org | 23:11 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i can't find d614g strains on nextstrain, that's my point. i'm a noob. | 23:11 |
| tinwhiskers | crap. my browser is in a crash loop. Who has a link to that terrible newspaper headline about a new form of SRAS-Cov-2 that "arose outside china" | 23:11 |
| withorwithout | let me do that for you | 23:11 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i love the site, but i feel like i'm capable of using like 1% of its features. i have no bio background other than one graduate bioinformatics course :P | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Google will start reopening offices in June, Californians can vote by mail in November → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 23:13 |
| withorwithout | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/i989G55G/image.png | 23:14 |
| withorwithout | NoImNotNineVolt: so you see, all the yellow ones are mutated, the first one from late january are all from China | 23:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | oh you overzealous cropper, you :P | 23:15 |
| withorwithout | What is even more interesting is that there are some genomes from March and even mid April with the mutation in China, but no dominance... again, could be many reasons | 23:15 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | what 'search strains' value did you use? | 23:15 |
| withorwithout | I just colored by genotype in the S protein | 23:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | or, more generally, how did you narrow the search to only samples containing a d614g mutation? | 23:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | k. | 23:17 |
| withorwithout | and 614 location | 23:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | ha | 23:18 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | this is fan friggin tastic. thank you so much. | 23:18 |
| LjL | so one peculiarity of Italy is that, at least unlike other countries graphed, it appears to have *only* the mutated form | 23:19 |
| withorwithout | True, but that could be due to sampling bias | 23:19 |
| LjL | based on https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Screen-Shot-2020-05-06-at-9.47.40-AM.png that is | 23:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:13 UTC: ljl-covid: Add ArsTechnica article criticizing "higher infectiousness spike muta… → https://is.gd/MzGWA3 | 23:20 |
| withorwithout | if you have less genomes you have less certainty, and Italy while having a fair amount of genomes sampled they don't have as many as others, so it may be that, who knows | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, US: +165 cases (now 37171), +5 deaths (now 1049) since 18 minutes ago — California, US: +771 cases (now 63699), +49 deaths (now 2611) since 33 minutes ago — Wyoming, US: +9 cases (now 644) since 23 hours ago — Angola: +7 cases (now 43) since 3 days ago | 23:22 |
| LjL | %wa population of texas, california, wyoming | 23:26 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Texas California Wyoming | population): Results: Texas | 29 million people California | 39.51 million people Wyoming | 578759 people (2019) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+texas%2C+california%2C+wyoming | 23:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Google will start reopening offices in June, Californians can vote by mail in November → https://is.gd/MRYxHe | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, US: +503 cases (now 37674), +19 deaths (now 1068) since 17 minutes ago — US: +473 cases (now 1.3 million), +23 deaths (now 78492) since 17 minutes ago — World: +474 cases (now 4.0 million), +23 deaths (now 275453) since 17 minutes ago — Guyana: +1 cases (now 94) since 2 days ago | 23:36 |
| jiffe | how is TX + 503 but US only + 473? | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | jiffe: that's always been a bit of a mystery to me as well but something to do with the vagaries of timing and using multiple sources that don't always agree. | 23:42 |
| tinwhiskers | ah, here's the link I was thinking of: http://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200429-french-coronavirus-strain-may-be-local-and-may-not-have-come-from-china | 23:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Donald Trump says virus will 'go away without a vaccine' → https://is.gd/rCAyrJ | 23:49 |
| tinwhiskers | "may not have come from China" is crazy talk | 23:49 |
| withorwithout | yes, that's nonsense | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +18 cases (now 668), +3 deaths (now 35) since a day ago — Georgia (US), US: +22 cases (now 32148), +2 deaths (now 1397) since 47 minutes ago — Germany: +99 cases (now 170588), +42 deaths (now 7510) since 47 minutes ago — US: +22 cases (now 1.3 million), +2 deaths (now 78494) since 19 minutes ago | 23:51 |
| bellefleur | i read there is a large chinese disinformation campaign at work | 23:52 |
| bellefleur | twitter bots, and such | 23:52 |
| withorwithout | that's just media being media | 23:52 |
| tinwhiskers | you mean this? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/gop-memo-anti-china-coronavirus-207244 | 23:52 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, disinformation about China or from china? | 23:53 |
| bellefleur | it would not surprise me if a lot of "the virus actually began in a small town in france" type bs is chinese born propaganda | 23:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Certainly the memo from the US govt shows a clear intent to deflect the blame from the US to china: https://static.politico.com/80/54/2f3219384e01833b0a0ddf95181c/corona-virus-big-book-4.17.20.pdf | 23:53 |
| tinwhiskers | although the reprisal blame from China that the USA created the virus was of course laughable :-) | 23:55 |
| tinwhiskers | it was so bad I thought it was kind of tongue in cheek | 23:55 |
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