| Arsanerit | He's not relevant. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ryouma | he has the metaphorical button | 00:01 |
| Arsanerit | I have a belly button too but they don't report on MY every tweet! | 00:02 |
| ryouma | cold war button... | 00:02 |
| ryouma | china... | 00:02 |
| Arsanerit | cold war i sover | 00:02 |
| aradesh | well it's worth while knowing what the US president is up to, even if he's saying garbage | 00:02 |
| Arsanerit | nah | 00:02 |
| Arsanerit | we've given him enough attention already | 00:02 |
| Arsanerit | let's just ignore him for a couple of months and see if that changes his behaviour (it probably would) | 00:02 |
| Arsanerit | gn | 00:03 |
| aradesh | imagine what you could do if you were a president and the media completely ignored you, lol | 00:03 |
| aradesh | you'd have free reign | 00:03 |
| aradesh | all the evil things but no one calling you out :D | 00:03 |
| aradesh | anyways night | 00:04 |
| ryouma | lapdog or watchdog. you decide. film at 11. | 00:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: crisis will push 60m into poverty, says World Bank chief → https://is.gd/fzVpNa | 00:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Temporary reduction in daily global CO2 emissions during the COVID-19 forced confinement. (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gms32p | 00:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guinea-Bissau: +6 cases (now 1038), +2 deaths (now 6) since a day ago — Gabon: +70 cases (now 1502), +1 deaths (now 12) since 22 hours ago — Washington, US: +110 cases (now 19639), +7 deaths (now 1028) since 31 minutes ago — Texas, US: +59 cases (now 50482) since 31 minutes ago | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: NSW lifts all travel restrictions within the state from 1 June – latest updates → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 00:21 |
| ttl- | Greetings all | 00:33 |
| ttl- | Rather quiet here while so much users in the channel | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: crisis will push 60m into poverty, says World Bank chief → https://is.gd/fzVpNa | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:45 UTC: President calls negative hydroxychloroquine study 'a Trump enemy statement' – live: Trump falsely claims hydroxychloroquine ‘doesn’t harm you’ Vice-president says he is not taking anti-malaria drug Trump says he’s taking hydroxychloroquine despite FDA warnings Strikes erupt as US essential workers demand [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CuUhVd | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eq. Guinea: +106 cases (now 825) since a day ago — Brazil: +5732 cases (now 271628), +131 deaths (now 17971) since an hour ago — California, US: +1322 cases (now 83117), +73 deaths (now 3407) since an hour ago — Colorado, US: +280 cases (now 22482), +33 deaths (now 1257) since 23 hours ago | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 22:47 UTC: Science: Feared “reactivation” of COVID-19 infections disputed by new data → https://is.gd/XmVDM1 | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:02 UTC: NHS: Thousands of cancer patients could die early due to coronavirus delays, study finds → https://is.gd/CrqgqI | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:05 UTC: Scientists propose a 50 days on, 30 days off coronavirus lockdown strategy: A new report has suggested that alternating strict measures with intervals of relaxed social distancing could be a more effective way of slowing the spread of Covid-19 than indefinite or milder lockdowns. → https://is.gd/1dh26p | 01:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Wearing a mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by 75%, new study claims (10165 votes) | https://redd.it/gmq6jk | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 23:17 UTC: nCoV: Grim Covid-19 projections for SA: 40 000 deaths, 1 million infections and a dire shortage of ICU beds | 19MAY20 → https://is.gd/hmvUdA | 01:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Association of Vitamin D Deficiency and Treatment with COVID-19 Incidence (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gmnv8x | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +438 cases (now 8809), +11 deaths (now 393) since a day ago — Nebraska, US: +221 cases (now 10846), +7 deaths (now 132) since a day ago — California, US: +490 cases (now 83607), +16 deaths (now 3423) since 46 minutes ago — Panama: +141 cases (now 9867), +2 deaths (now 281) since 21 hours ago | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: crisis will push 60m into poverty, says World Bank chief → https://is.gd/fzVpNa | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Utah, US: +134 cases (now 7518), +8 deaths (now 88) since a day ago — Cayman Is.: +17 cases (now 111) since 4 days ago — California, US: +103 cases (now 83710), +2 deaths (now 3425) since 16 minutes ago — Texas, US: +73 cases (now 50659), +2 deaths (now 1402) since an hour ago | 01:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:45 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Brazil sees record daily deaths as World Bank warns 60m to fall into extreme poverty: Trump calls negative hydroxychloroquine study an ‘enemy statement’; WHO pass response investigation resolution; Global deaths pass 320,000. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 00:03 UTC: Coronavirus: Diabetic people offered support: A study reveals, for some, having diabetes is linked to an increased risk of dying with coronavirus. → https://is.gd/Bj4Z04 | 02:07 |
| LjL | KCDC researchers examined 285 cases that had previously recovered from COVID-19 but then tested positive again. The patients tested positive again anywhere from one to 37 days after recovering from their first infection and being discharged from isolation. The average time to a second positive was about 14 days. | 02:09 |
| LjL | Of those cases, researchers checked for symptoms in 284 of them. They found that 126 (about 48 percent) did indeed have symptoms related to COVID-19. | 02:09 |
| LjL | But none of them seemed to have spread the infection | 02:09 |
| LjL | ... so, what i had read was that it was probably just RNA being shed, and maybe it is, but half of them are having symptoms. so either they *are* reactivations, even if noninfectious, or half of COVID patients go on to develop longer-term symptoms | 02:11 |
| LjL | or... the possibility i'm missing here is...? | 02:11 |
| LjL | and hi ttl-, it has times of more activity, mainly when it's not night in europe | 02:12 |
| LjL | but it depends | 02:12 |
| tinwhiskers | that they were just rna fragments but some of the symptoms of covid-19 take more than a month to recover from? | 02:14 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i'd say that falls within long-term symptoms | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. fair enough | 02:16 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, the thing is either option is not great, but we already have people saying they still have symptoms months later | 02:17 |
| LjL | (and already saying they are being ignored... much like any "chronic fatigue" sufferer) | 02:17 |
| tinwhiskers | it depends what those symptoms are. It takes several months to recover from normal bouts of pneumonia. I don't see why it wouldn't be typical for recovery to take that long for covid-19. | 02:18 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well i've read this anecdotal report, by an epidemiologist (or virologist, i forget), who had COVID in a "mild" form i.e. no hospital, but after 7 weeks he's still struggling with new symptoms, and he found facebook groups and the like full of people with similar experiences | 02:19 |
| tinwhiskers | I think you can say this is very positive (depending on the symptoms). That half of people who had covid-19 had fully recovered after 40 days is great! | 02:19 |
| LjL | i also found a link to reddit where people were discussing that but i didn't click | 02:19 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, 7 weeks is not long to recover from a viral infection really. | 02:20 |
| LjL | https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/05/05/paul-garner-people-who-have-a-more-protracted-illness-need-help-to-understand-and-cope-with-the-constantly-shifting-bizarre-symptoms/ | 02:20 |
| LjL | well i'd have figured he's someone who ought to know | 02:20 |
| LjL | also https://spoonseeker.com/2020/05/15/sadly-covid-19-could-just-be-the-start-of-your-problems/ | 02:20 |
| tinwhiskers | not if he's an epidemiologist... | 02:21 |
| LjL | obviously the latter is on a slightly less reputable site :P | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | it's not at all atypical to still be poorly after 3-4 months after a viral infection. | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | some take the best part of a year to recover from | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | "professor of infectious diseases at Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine" - yeah, he should know :-) | 02:23 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, when he says "this can't be post-viral fatigue syndrome because the symptoms are too strong" (paraphrase), predictably and understandably, someone in the comment is like "this is exactly why we suffers or post-viral fatigue complain about doctors! they don't think our symptoms are serious! but your symptoms ARE what we feel all the time!" | 02:26 |
| tinwhiskers | interesting post | 02:26 |
| LjL | we sufferers* of* | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | not something someone should intentionally subject themselves to just because they are young and want to get back to work then. | 02:27 |
| LjL | oh well, i was already pretty sure that wasn't the case | 02:28 |
| LjL | but i guess it might not hurt to get the word out | 02:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:24 UTC: Scientists propose a 50 days on, 30 days off coronavirus lockdown strategy: A new report has suggested that alternating strict measures with intervals of relaxed social distancing could be a more effective way of slowing the spread of Covid-19 than indefinite or milder lockdowns. → https://is.gd/1dh26p | 02:28 |
| LjL | considering how some young people appear to behave wrt this | 02:28 |
| tinwhiskers | "You appear shocked when another previously athletic person can't run 8km in their 2nd week of illness without massive payback" - fair point. Why would you expect they could do that? | 02:28 |
| tinwhiskers | people suffer for a year or more from the Chikungunya virus and have similar aches and pains and whatnot. It's kinda weird a professor of tropical diseases is surprised by this. | 02:30 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i guess he was one of the many under the charitable impression that when public healthcare tells you "you'll be fine, just stay home and rest" they mean that you probably don't have pneumonia and there is no need to take care of you in a hospital setting, and that that entails they'll actually be fine soon | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | but, yeah, good to get the message out from someone like him. Perhaps it's not so much surprise. | 02:31 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe | 02:31 |
| LjL | maybe he shouldn't have assumed that because he's an expert in the field. but i can at least see this happening to many others | 02:31 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 02:31 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, by the way, how are your lungs? | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | much the same really :-( | 02:32 |
| dunnp | did you catch it tinwhiskers? | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | no. unrelated | 02:32 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i assume you still don't have a pulse ox? | 02:33 |
| pepee | https://attheu.utah.edu/facultystaff/portable-test-for-covid-19/ | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | no, but I had that done at the doctors and was looking good. | 02:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, how good? with mine, which admittedly i don't know how good it is, i have wild rides from 98 tops (used to go to 99% but not anymore) to 92% | 02:34 |
| tinwhiskers | it was around 98 at the time | 02:35 |
| LjL | it might be artifacts from my device but i think it's one of those things, like blood pressure, that should be measured in natural circumstances i.e. when you're at home doing whatever | 02:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, okay well 98 is on the "good" side of "good". meaning... if you had 96... the doctor would still have said it's okay, but i'd have found it more dubious | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | pepee: here's another portable unit for testing for covid-19: https://imgur.com/a/P1vrbuS | 02:38 |
| pepee | tinwhiskers, interesting... but, why? | 02:39 |
| pepee | also, I don't have a dog right now :( | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, it's just that dogs have been shown to be able to detect covid-19-infected urine with pretty good accuracy. | 02:40 |
| tinwhiskers | In fact I think they are more accurate than the Abbott Laboratories portable test unit that is being used by the White House staff. | 02:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:33 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: Qld woman tests positive two months after travel and NSW lifts travel restrictions from June – latest updates → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 02:42 |
| bin_bash | do you have a soruce for that tinwhiskers | 02:42 |
| pepee | heh | 02:42 |
| pepee | I wouldn't doubt it, tbh, but yeah, a good source would be great | 02:43 |
| LjL | pepee, that sensor would be a bit of a holy grail kinda thing (dogs aside) but he's received a grant to develop it. we'll see whether he does, i guess | 02:43 |
| LjL | well, if dogs get widely used for that, i hope they double-check that they cannot normally be infected | 02:43 |
| pepee | LjL, 3 months, though | 02:44 |
| LjL | because cats can, and can also infect other cats, and i cannot see that being a good thing, even if back-to-human transmission is not shown | 02:44 |
| LjL | pepee, well that could mean he basically already has it, or that he's been able to receive a grant on technology he may not be able to deliver | 02:44 |
| LjL | i hope it's the former but i assume the latter happens | 02:44 |
| tinwhiskers | make them, wear masks and they should be as safe as medical staff... who can ALSO become infected! | 02:44 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: trying to find the ref I saw earlier but struggling | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't know where that comma came from | 02:45 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, erm, i suspect the effectiveness of masks in blocking the virus would be directly inversely proportional to their ability to detect the virus...? :P | 02:45 |
| pepee | LjL, well, why not share with other people and test it in multiple places? | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: lol! true | 02:46 |
| tinwhiskers | cool, maybe we'll get our tricorders invented due to covid-19 as well. | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | err, developed. they were already invented. | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:41 UTC: (news): Omada Health scores $57 million as coronavirus pandemic sparks investor interest in health tech → https://is.gd/TcG67D | 02:49 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well i had an open source tricorder app in my phone but it died because the owners of star trek sent a takedown notice ;( | 02:50 |
| LjL | "this thing has a name sort of like the thing in our shows and its UI has rounded borders, pls google take it down" "ok done" | 02:50 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, I quite liked that app... mostly because of the sound effects though. | 02:51 |
| LjL | there is still this but it's not the one i have in mind | 02:51 |
| LjL | %fdroid trycorder | 02:51 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Trycorder 5.2.3 (net.ddns.mlsoftlaberge.trycorder) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Upgrade your mobile device to a full-fledged tricorder - updated 2019-01-13, see https://github.com/mlsoft/Trycorder5 | 02:51 |
| LjL | i think the other one is in the archive repo of f-droid, though. i forgot the name though. | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: There was this one: https://www.helsinki.fi/fi/uutiset/terveys/koira-haistaa-koronaviruksen-tutkimus-selvittaa-koirien-kayttoa-tartuntojen-tunnistamisessa - "Preliminary tests suggest that dogs may perform the task quickly and achieve more reliable results than laboratory tests". | 02:54 |
| tinwhiskers | https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.helsinki.fi%2Ffi%2Fuutiset%2Fterveys%2Fkoira-haistaa-koronaviruksen-tutkimus-selvittaa-koirien-kayttoa-tartuntojen-tunnistamisessa | 02:54 |
| bin_bash | heh i was just baout to toss it in myself | 02:54 |
| bin_bash | it's a good idea, i'd believe it on the surface | 02:54 |
| bin_bash | dogs can smell cancer and all kinds of stuff | 02:55 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 02:55 |
| bin_bash | they can smell when youre about to have a seizure, their sense of smell is unbelievable | 02:55 |
| LjL | <tinwhiskers> bin_bash: There was this one: https://www.helsinki.fi/fi/uutiset/terveys/koira-haistaa-koronaviruksen-tutkimus-selvittaa-koirien-kayttoa-tartuntojen-tunnistamisessa - "Preliminary tests suggest that dogs may perform the task quickly and achieve more reliable results than laboratory tests". | 02:55 |
| LjL | <tinwhiskers> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.helsinki.fi%2Ffi%2Fuutiset%2Fterveys%2Fkoira-haistaa-koronaviruksen-tutkimus-selvittaa-koirien-kayttoa-tartuntojen-tunnistamisessa | 02:55 |
| pepee | crappy internet | 02:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: Qld woman tests positive two months after travel and NSW lifts travel restrictions from June – latest updates → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 02:56 |
| LjL | i hope governments don't start teaching dogs to smell when i am not actually liking the cop in front of me despite saying "yes officer" and smiling | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:57 |
| ryouma | spo2 can supposedly change depending on posture. i9 have not tried this yet. try prone, supine, etc. | 02:58 |
| ryouma | should be higher if prone i think | 02:58 |
| bin_bash | LOL LjL | 02:59 |
| LjL | ryouma, i measured it over... part of the course of one night (then i dropped the pulse oximeter in my sleep), and at some point there was a large heartrate spike, and from that point on, my o2sats changed from around 96% to around 93%, very visibly | 02:59 |
| LjL | i can only assume i had changed from prone to supine or vice versa | 03:00 |
| tinwhiskers | where I used to work we were developing something called sniffertech (it was all hush-hush at the time but I guess it's known about now) for detecting pheromones of insects inside shipping containers for border biosecurity reasons. It was super sensitive and I always hoped that would make it into a tricorder one day. | 03:00 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, a comprehensive electronic nose is something that has escaped our technology for a while | 03:00 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. it seems it's not public yet :-/ | 03:01 |
| LjL | we have most of the other senses nailed okayish | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 03:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well it doesn't mattter it's not like this channel is being logged or anything, except on the internet | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | this was somehow related to research on moth antennae I believe. | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | moths detect pheromones with their antennae btw | 03:02 |
| LjL | right... i think most insects "smell" with their antennae, but don't quote me | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | moths have particularly fluffy"" and sensitive antennae I think | 03:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I remember doing something with a guy in a lab that had moth antennae hooked up to a... gas chromatogram I think. I was just the computer guy. | 03:03 |
| LjL | i guess a gas chromatograph is the closest thing we have to an artificial nose | 03:04 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. that must have just been part of it. They had teeny tiny electrodes connected to the antennae so were problably comparing the electrical signals to what they were seeing on the GC | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +2713 cases (now 54346), +334 deaths (now 5666) since a day ago — Illinois, US: +1691 cases (now 98030), +141 deaths (now 4379) since an hour ago — US: +1820 cases (now 1.6 million), +151 deaths (now 93533) since an hour ago — World: +4871 cases (now 5.0 million), +518 deaths (now 325200) since an hour ago | 03:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, that would make sense although... they already knew the moth could sense things, just knowing "yep, it's getting electric signals from it!" doesn't help you know how it does it | 03:07 |
| LjL | but i guess if you try many enough substances, it lets you know just *which part* they're sending | 03:07 |
| LjL | sensing* | 03:07 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, I don't know what exactly they were doing. That was in the veryu early days when they were using actual moth antennae but they moved on from there | 03:07 |
| tinwhiskers | they lasted several hours or more I think | 03:08 |
| dunnp | pretty cool | 03:12 |
| LjL | ↑ this is interesting... i might be slightly biased in the choice of what's interesting, though | 03:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 01:13 UTC: Add retrospective Milan blood donor IgM/IgG study: This finds that 2.3% to 7.9% blood donors at the biggest blood donor bank in Milan had it by February 24, and 4.4% to 10.8% on April 8 → https://is.gd/t5zwYF | 03:17 |
| tinwhiskers | ah, that is quite a cool study | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: Qld woman tests positive two months after travel and NSW lifts travel restrictions from June – latest updates → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 03:31 |
| LjL | Qld | 03:31 |
| LjL | on Queenland | 03:32 |
| LjL | Queensland? | 03:32 |
| tinwhiskers | yah | 03:32 |
| LjL | we are lifting inter-regional travel restriction on june 3 "maybe" | 03:32 |
| LjL | which is to say, the PM said "maybe", the foreign minister said "definitely" | 03:32 |
| LjL | because our government are always in stark agreement with each other | 03:33 |
| tinwhiskers | we're looking at lifting travel restrictions here on June 20 (I don't think they will open up though). The people here are running out of money. | 03:33 |
| ryouma | the geography of au suggests they'd want air travel soon | 03:34 |
| ryouma | i am told it is like 4 cities, quite distant from one another | 03:34 |
| tinwhiskers | There's very few locals in town now. Everyone is offering specials to try and get people to buy *something* | 03:34 |
| LjL | the economics of italy suggest we'll be begging for tourists regardless of where they're from when summertime comes | 03:35 |
| ryouma | why wouldn't the economy be thriving there? oh lack of tourism. | 03:35 |
| tinwhiskers | I assume Australia has internal flights going already | 03:35 |
| tinwhiskers | NZ has restarted internal flights now. | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +131 cases (now 749) since a day ago — Barbados: +2 cases (now 90) since 2 days ago — World: +169 cases (now 5.0 million) since 33 minutes ago — Sri Lanka: +4 cases (now 1027) since 7 hours ago | 03:35 |
| LjL | yes i totally believe 749 total in Venezuela | 03:36 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 03:36 |
| ryouma | increase vacation time worldwide, quarantine everybody in some nice location, then you have tourism | 03:36 |
| ryouma | airlines would have quarantine destination spots | 03:37 |
| tinwhiskers | I was speaking to a local tourism guy yesterday. There are 10,000 yachts stranded around the world that can't go anywhere, and really people on yachts are quite safe to accept since they take weeks to get anywhere. He is trying to get the government here to allow those yachts in to get their money! | 03:38 |
| tinwhiskers | although we wouldn't get anywhere near 10,000, just a few hundred would make a big difference. We'd still quarantine them, but there's no reason they shouldn't be allowed in really. | 03:39 |
| LjL | cunning | 03:39 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, then force them to stay for months | 03:40 |
| tinwhiskers | The first place to announce they will allow them in will make the money. The opportunity is ripe. | 03:40 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. yeah :-) | 03:40 |
| LjL | "oh didn't we tell you? we actually have an extended quarantine here, 90 days, you'll be assigned a pub as your quarantine location" | 03:40 |
| pepee | imagine being in one of those yatchs, cruise ships, etc | 03:41 |
| pepee | I imagine it's either good for people who dreamed about being sailors, and very bad for people who never thought that that would happen | 03:42 |
| LjL | i think the cruise ships are all unboarded now... or are they? | 03:42 |
| tinwhiskers | there's a place in europe (I forget where) that has started allowing yachts to pull up to the wharf to collect supplies that they pre-order but they can't come ashore. Otherwise it's people just sneaking around doing what they can to get supplies. | 03:43 |
| pepee | LjL, ah, no idea | 03:43 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well we don't expect them to just starve do we | 03:43 |
| LjL | we probably do, don't we | 03:43 |
| tinwhiskers | most of these yachts only have small crews (2-6) so are not the festering virus-holes that the cruise ships are. | 03:44 |
| pepee | brb | 03:48 |
| ryouma | do they drop anchor and get ashore with rubber boats or something? | 03:49 |
| tinwhiskers | My understanding was they could pull up directly in their yacht | 03:54 |
| tinwhiskers | But I don't really know the details | 03:54 |
| tinwhiskers | here we just have a small customs wharf but most medium-small yachts can directly pull up, although some use their tenders. The wharf is not all that deep so big yachts run aground, but I doubt many places have wharves as budget as this one. | 03:56 |
| bin_bash | giant cruise ships are gross. last one i went on was 2008 and never again | 04:03 |
| bin_bash | small ones are where it's at | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +218 cases (now 4481), +15 deaths (now 189) since 23 hours ago — Honduras: +157 cases (now 2955), +1 deaths (now 147) since 23 hours ago — World: +375 cases (now 5.0 million), +16 deaths (now 325216) since 46 minutes ago — South Korea: +32 cases (now 11110) since 23 hours ago | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:08 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Brazil sees record daily deaths as World Bank warns 60m to fall into extreme poverty: Trump calls negative hydroxychloroquine study an ‘enemy statement’; WHO pass response investigation resolution; Global deaths pass 320,000. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 04:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Somaliland: +26 cases (now 129), +2 deaths (now 10) since 2 days ago — Guatemala: +132 cases (now 2133), +5 deaths (now 43) since 23 hours ago — World: +132 cases (now 5.0 million), +5 deaths (now 325221) since 17 minutes ago | 04:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live news: Qld woman tests positive two months after travel and NSW lifts travel restrictions from June – latest updates → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 04:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live update: China calls on Australia to 'completely give up its political manoeuvre' on Covid-19 investigation → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 04:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 02:45 UTC: Covid2019: Muslim women who cover their faces find greater acceptance among coronavirus masks — ‘Nobody is giving me dirty looks’ - The Salt Lake Tribune → https://is.gd/rKXal7 | 04:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:51 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Brazil sees record daily deaths as World Bank warns 60m to fall into extreme poverty: Trump calls negative hydroxychloroquine study an ‘enemy statement’; Ardern flags four-day work week as way to rebuild after Covid-19; global deaths pass 320,000. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cayman Islands, United Kingdom: +17 cases (now 111) since 4 days ago — Quebec, Canada: +570 cases (now 44206), +51 deaths (now 3648) since a day ago — Ontario, Canada: +469 cases (now 24755), +13 deaths (now 2032) since a day ago — Nova Scotia, Canada: +1 cases (now 1044), +1 deaths (now 56) since a day ago | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:06 UTC: Scientists propose a 50 days on, 30 days off coronavirus lockdown strategy: A new report has suggested that alternating strict measures with intervals of relaxed social distancing could be a more effective way of slowing the spread of Covid-19 than indefinite or milder lockdowns. → https://is.gd/1dh26p | 05:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live update: China calls on Australia to 'completely give up its political manoeuvre' on Covid-19 investigation → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 05:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Lungs as Target of COVID-19 Infection: Protective Common Molecular Mechanisms of Vitamin D and Melatonin as a New Potential Synergistic Treatment (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gmvx5x | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany: +65 cases (now 34071), +9 deaths (now 1673) since a day ago — Haiti: +63 cases (now 596), +1 deaths (now 22) since a day ago — Unknown, Germany: +512 cases (now 2048) since 2 days ago — Baleares, Spain: +12 cases (now 2005), +1 deaths (now 219) since a day ago | 05:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: CDC: 38% of the attendees at an Arkansas church over a week contracted coronavirus (10031 votes) | https://redd.it/gmspdq | 06:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:28 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN chief praises Africa's efforts to stem virus as Brazil sees record daily deaths: Trump says having highest cases is a ‘badge of honour’; Ardern flags four-day work week as way to rebuild after Covid-19; global cases near 4.9m. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 06:35 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Why do some COVID-19 patients infect many others, whereas most don’t spread the virus at all? (84 votes) | https://redd.it/gn2yu4 | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live update: Chinese state media mocks Australia as 'giant kangaroo that serves as the dog of the US' → https://is.gd/Wn6Trj | 06:56 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: States accused of manipulating COVID-19 statistics to make situation look better (10255 votes) | https://redd.it/gmyn9z | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:12 UTC: Author and comedian Ruby Wax tells politicians to 'get ready' for the mental health fallout from coronavirus: Bestselling author, comedian and mental health campaigner, Ruby Wax, has told CNBC that politicians "better get ready" to address the levels of anxiety caused by the coronavirus crisis. → https://is.gd/ryb4Us | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:14 UTC: Taiwan: Taiwan president hits back at China amid Covid-19 success → https://is.gd/sLf1jk | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UN chief praises Africa's efforts to stem virus as Brazil sees record daily deaths: Trump says having highest cases is a ‘badge of honour’; Ardern flags four-day work week as way to rebuild after Covid-19; global cases near 4.9m. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 07:38 |
| peterx[m] | %wiki | 07:44 |
| Brainstorm | peterx[m], no such article found on the English Wikipedia | 07:44 |
| ZSpecs88 | hello | 07:52 |
| ZSpecs88 | are you guys willing to recieve the covid19 antidote?? | 07:54 |
| ryouma | sounds like a religious pitch you would hear in a parking lot? | 07:57 |
| Hullo1 | lol | 07:59 |
| iz | the antidote is jesus | 08:21 |
| ss-ssl[m] | <ZSpecs88 "are you guys willing to recieve "> Not me. Bunch of bullshit rhetoric these guys are selling. Happy to hear any consequences but I am no longer supporting their efforts by being a bystander, who is purely watching things unfold. | 08:22 |
| tinwhiskers | ss-ssl[m]: so you know what antidote ZSpecs88 was referring to? Please, do tell! | 08:24 |
| tinwhiskers | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20100404v1 | 08:25 |
| tinwhiskers | Title: Clinical characteristics and early outcomes in patients with COVID-19 treated with tocilizumab at a United States academic center | 08:25 |
| tinwhiskers | I actually only posted that because I was testing something. It's not really very interesting. | 08:25 |
| ryouma | it is extremely interesting to me | 08:27 |
| ryouma | "post-dose IL-6 concentrations were consistently increased" | 08:27 |
| ryouma | the point of the drug is to decrease those | 08:27 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, well I take it back. You're welcome :-) | 08:27 |
| ryouma | thank you | 08:27 |
| ryouma | most do not get their il-6 levels measured. i had my il-6 levels measured as part of a study. normally they should be in the single digits. mine were in quadruple digits. certain health conditions might have elevated levels of il-6 and il-8. tocilizumab could be ueful for those or for those who are being exposed to certain toxins without realizeing it, etc. but this looks like it is not working as expected. | 08:29 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. interesting | 08:32 |
| ryouma | i'd like to know what else i can take to lower il-6. recall that along with estradiol in men or low estrogens in women, il-6 was a major risk factor in one paper for requiring icu. and icu is something like 50% survivasl rate isn't it? | 08:32 |
| ryouma | high estradiol in men* | 08:33 |
| ryouma | so it's natural that they would look at it | 08:33 |
| ryouma | it would be good prospectively however, for those like me. maybe it would work to have low il-6 before infection? | 08:34 |
| ryouma | it would be goot to test it prospectively* | 08:34 |
| tinwhiskers | well outside my pay grade! | 08:35 |
| ryouma | :) | 08:35 |
| ryouma | i don't think there is much out there that has sufficient resaerch; already tried to find stuff | 08:35 |
| ryouma | (a lot of excitement about stuff kinda disappears after a while) | 08:36 |
| ryouma | anakinra was one i think | 08:38 |
| ryouma | correction: low il-6 -> NORMAL il-6 | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:35 UTC: Eurozone crisis: UK inflation tumbles to 0.8% amid Covid-19 discounting and cheaper energy - business live → https://is.gd/srRw6h | 08:42 |
| ryouma | it can trigger b and t cell stuff apparently, so maybe taht's useful if there is no cytokine storm or seomthing | 08:43 |
| ryouma | (and nk activity) | 08:43 |
| ryouma | are we going to get inflation or deflation? | 08:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Efficacy of the Oxford COVID-19 Vaccine in Monkeys (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gmzh1m | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dem. Rep. Congo: +102 cases (now 1731) since 10 hours ago — Pakistan: +1932 cases (now 45898), +46 deaths (now 985) since a day ago — El Salvador: +73 cases (now 1571), +1 deaths (now 31) since 21 hours ago — World: +2864 cases (now 5.0 million), +59 deaths (now 325110) since 3 hours ago | 08:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:49 UTC: Rolls-Royce: Rolls-Royce to cut 9,000 jobs worldwide as Covid-19 takes toll → https://is.gd/2eIHUj | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN chief praises Africa's efforts to stem virus as Brazil sees record daily deaths → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: minister confirms government policy was to protect NHS ahead of care homes → https://is.gd/o5pgW0 | 09:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN chief praises Africa's efforts to stem virus as Brazil sees record daily deaths → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 09:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:49 UTC: Russia's coronavirus cases top 300,000 but deaths suspiciously low: 'We conceal nothing,' Kremlin says: Russia's coronavirus cases surpassed 300,000 on Wednesday, cementing its position as the second-worst-hit country from the virus after the U.S., but there are increasing questions over the country's low death toll. → https://is.gd/WhmTq9 | 09:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: minister confirms government policy was to protect NHS ahead of care homes → https://is.gd/o5pgW0 | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +693 cases (now 19189), +21 deaths (now 1242) since 23 hours ago — Russia: +8764 cases (now 308705), +135 deaths (now 2972) since 23 hours ago — Armenia: +230 cases (now 5271), +3 deaths (now 67) since 23 hours ago — World: +11329 cases (now 5.0 million), +186 deaths (now 325296) since an hour ago | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:18 UTC: Coronavirus UK map: the latest deaths and confirmed cases in each region: Latest figures from public health authorities on the spread of Covid-19 in the United Kingdom. Find out how many confirmed cases have been reported in each of England’s local authorities → https://is.gd/7FyeYd | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:37 UTC: Eurozone crisis: UK inflation tumbles to 0.8% amid Covid-19 discounting and cheaper energy - business live → https://is.gd/srRw6h | 10:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:50 UTC: Russia's coronavirus cases top 300,000 but deaths suspiciously low: 'We conceal nothing,' Kremlin says: Russia's coronavirus cases surpassed 300,000 on Wednesday, cementing its position as the second-worst-hit country from the virus after the U.S., but there are increasing questions over the country's low death toll. → https://is.gd/WhmTq9 | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +1617 cases (now 26738), +16 deaths (now 386) since 23 hours ago — Belgium: +192 cases (now 55983), +42 deaths (now 9150) since 23 hours ago — World: +1840 cases (now 5.0 million), +58 deaths (now 325354) since 54 minutes ago — Malaysia: +31 cases (now 7009) since 23 hours ago | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: minister confirms government policy was to protect NHS ahead of care homes → https://is.gd/o5pgW0 | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: UN chief praises Africa's efforts to stem virus as Brazil sees record daily deaths → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 11:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Alabama, US: +325 cases (now 12701), +4 deaths (now 508) since 15 hours ago — US: +325 cases (now 1.6 million), +4 deaths (now 93537) since 8 hours ago — World: +716 cases (now 5.0 million), +4 deaths (now 325358) since 35 minutes ago — Oman: +372 cases (now 6043) since 19 hours ago | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ at 09:26 UTC: David Oliver: Covid-19 has made news out of old news: The coronavirus pandemic has brought many health and social care issues to the fore. It’s really struck me that many issues that were already clear to health professionals before the pandemic have... → https://is.gd/YWwFhd | 11:45 |
| GhostGirl | .. | 11:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Spooky | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: minister confirms government policy was to protect NHS ahead of care homes → https://is.gd/o5pgW0 | 11:52 |
| GhostGirl | stoned | 11:52 |
| GhostGirl | not much here i see | 11:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Nah, not at this time of day | 11:54 |
| tinwhiskers | !activity | 11:54 |
| tinwhiskers | I guess that doesn't work here :-/ | 11:54 |
| GhostGirl | this is when all of the normals are asleep. much better this 'time of day'. | 11:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah... The normals... | 11:55 |
| Hullo1 | Hello | 11:56 |
| GhostGirl | Hello Hullo | 11:56 |
| GhostGirl | How are you this fine evening? | 11:56 |
| darsie | . | 11:57 |
| Hullo1 | GhostGirl, standard depressed :p | 11:57 |
| GhostGirl | sup darsi | 11:57 |
| GhostGirl | darsie | 11:57 |
| GhostGirl | hullo.. why are you standardly depressed? | 11:57 |
| darsie | Wrist hurts a bit. Fell with my bicycle. | 11:58 |
| darsie | 21 C at 11:58 am | 11:58 |
| GhostGirl | 21 c? is that your age and cup size? | 11:58 |
| darsie | yeah | 11:58 |
| GhostGirl | lol | 11:58 |
| darsie | :) | 11:58 |
| GhostGirl | i'm 35 and D | 11:59 |
| Hullo1 | GhostGirl, I wish I knew :sigh | 11:59 |
| darsie | Actually, I'm male and that's the outside temperature. | 11:59 |
| GhostGirl | Hullo, if you don't know who would know. Why don't you know and how are you going to figure it out? | 11:59 |
| GhostGirl | i'm really stoned on some high grade marijuana... | 12:02 |
| Hullo1 | lol | 12:04 |
| GhostGirl | think i'm going to go masterbate | 12:04 |
| Hullo1 | lol | 12:05 |
| darsie | Pics or it didn't happen. | 12:05 |
| GhostGirl | Darsie, if you are that desperate it likely will never happen for you. You need to stop collecting pictures and start collecting pussies. | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia passes 300,000 cases; Spain mandates face masks for those over six → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 12:06 |
| GhostGirl | lol | 12:07 |
| GhostGirl | yadayadayada | 12:07 |
| GhostGirl | we're doing great in the usa | 12:08 |
| GhostGirl | my state is all open | 12:08 |
| GhostGirl | it's all good ;) | 12:08 |
| GhostGirl | lol | 12:09 |
| GhostGirl | funny times | 12:09 |
| darsie | Gonna take a while till herd immunity, but you'll get there eventually by infecting that many ppl. | 12:10 |
| darsie | Killing off the old is also good for the economy. | 12:10 |
| GhostGirl | They have a chance of living, it's not like they are doomed. | 12:11 |
| GhostGirl | I know an old man w/ copd and kidney failure and he beat the shit... thought for sure he would go down but all good... | 12:12 |
| GhostGirl | lol, it's all good. | 12:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 10:11 UTC: nCoV: COVID-19 Mask Guidance for the Public on National Health Agency Websites: Content Analysis Study | 20MAY20 → https://is.gd/hXhpIe | 12:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +60 cases (now 832) since 23 hours ago — Afghanistan: +492 cases (now 8145), +9 deaths (now 187) since a day ago — Iowa, US: +98 cases (now 15447), +5 deaths (now 380) since 10 hours ago — North Macedonia: +19 cases (now 1858), +4 deaths (now 110) since a day ago | 12:22 |
| dTal | darsie: no you won't, and no it isn't | 12:26 |
| dTal | Immunity quite possibly has a limited lifetime, which means we'll no more achieve herd immunity for it than the flu | 12:27 |
| darsie | Well, at least I hope mortality will decrease for experienced users. | 12:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 10:33 UTC: nCoV: Narrative Review: Misinformation During the Coronavirus Disease 2019 Outbreak: How Knowledge Emerges From Noise (April 2020) | Abstract in Comments| 20MAY20 → https://is.gd/8LpBwL | 12:35 |
| GhostGurl | dtal, why would it come back again.. what would be the source? | 12:39 |
| dTal | what do you mean | 12:39 |
| GhostGurl | after it's gone for the season why would it come back next season? where is it coming from again? | 12:39 |
| dTal | Gone for the season? | 12:40 |
| GhostGurl | yea, when this shit drys up and there are no more cases.. why would it come back and if it did where would it come from? | 12:40 |
| dTal | Since when do any viral strains go extinct by themselves in a single season? | 12:41 |
| dTal | Why would you ever have "no more cases"? | 12:41 |
| dTal | magic? | 12:41 |
| GhostGurl | so the flu is all year? | 12:41 |
| dTal | Yes, the flu is all year | 12:41 |
| GhostGurl | i don't remember having the flu in the summmer | 12:42 |
| dTal | Where do you think flu comes from when flu season rolls around? | 12:42 |
| genera | there might be the CoV breeding in some lonely bat | 12:42 |
| dTal | Spontaneous generation? | 12:42 |
| GhostGurl | no clue, obviously scientist don't know either or they would be able to tell us the precise orgins of the covid | 12:43 |
| dTal | Um what | 12:44 |
| dTal | it comes from other people | 12:44 |
| dTal | it never goes away | 12:45 |
| GhostGurl | lol, you don't know that. | 12:45 |
| dTal | Summer doesn't magically kill all viruses, followed by new viruses magically springing up every winter | 12:45 |
| dTal | is that really how you think this works? | 12:45 |
| GhostGurl | you don't know that covid will never go away. | 12:45 |
| GhostGurl | you can't know that for sure. | 12:45 |
| withorwithout | nice promising news from the Moderna's mRNA vaccine, and other candidates as well | 12:46 |
| dTal | Sorry, I only have intelligent conversations. Have a nice day! | 12:46 |
| GhostGurl | run shill | 12:46 |
| withorwithout | GhostGurl: true, we don't. But we better prepare for it sticking around. | 12:46 |
| GhostGurl | plan for the worst and hope for the best | 12:46 |
| withorwithout | without paranoia | 12:46 |
| GhostGurl | i smoke weed for that. | 12:46 |
| GhostGurl | ;) | 12:47 |
| GhostGurl | that dTal is a buzz kill.. seemed like someone paid to troll | 12:47 |
| GhostGurl | fire and brimstone | 12:47 |
| dTal | No, I'm just not interested in whatever kind of argument you wanted to have | 12:49 |
| withorwithout | now you are arguing about arguing | 12:49 |
| dTal | What I said was that herd immunity may not be possible, if - like flu - immunity only lasts for several months. | 12:50 |
| GhostGurl | lol, at least dTal came back to indicate my conversation is 'intelligent'. | 12:50 |
| GhostGurl | dtal, i knew you were a softy | 12:51 |
| GhostGurl | I think you just get all worked up dTal from the anxiety of the times. take some deep breaths, possibly some meditation. | 12:52 |
| dTal | I think you're just super high and it was unreasonable of me to expect coherence from you | 12:52 |
| GhostGurl | dTal, you should treat others how you would want to be treated. keep it funny. | 12:53 |
| withorwithout | dTal: ok true, but we don't really have a reason to believe that's the case, since sars-cov-2 doesn't mutate as fast (or as much) and it has really nice conserved important proteins that make them nice vaccine/antibody targets | 12:53 |
| GhostGurl | also it seems to hit the old much worse.. if it tears through their population then there won't be many hosts for it will there? also why is the homeless population in my cities not seeming to be as affected? | 12:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia passes 300,000 cases; Spain mandates face masks for those over six → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 12:57 |
| withorwithout | GhostGurl: the other way around actually, if it kills it host it won't spread as efficiently | 12:57 |
| GhostGurl | thats what i meant.. once it kills the old it should die down | 12:57 |
| GhostGurl | no more hosts | 12:57 |
| GhostGurl | stoned ;) | 12:58 |
| withorwithout | GhostGurl: yeah, but tha fatality rate is low, so that's not going to happen | 12:58 |
| ketas | it's world cleanup? | 12:58 |
| withorwithout | *the | 12:58 |
| GhostGurl | so then whats to worry about.. you said it right there... "fatality rate is low" | 12:58 |
| GhostGurl | ;) | 12:58 |
| withorwithout | GhostGurl: well, because in absolute numbers "low" still means a whole lot of people that can collapse the health system | 12:59 |
| ketas | limited spread could bite our ass | 12:59 |
| withorwithout | even a bad flu season does that | 12:59 |
| withorwithout | and this kills more than flu, apparently | 12:59 |
| GhostGurl | a little more | 12:59 |
| GhostGurl | bad flu season is around 60k | 12:59 |
| GhostGurl | good is around 20k | 12:59 |
| ketas | noone wants people to die but it bites us | 12:59 |
| GhostGurl | for us in the usa | 12:59 |
| GhostGurl | at least | 13:00 |
| withorwithout | GhostGurl: yes, that without social distancing measures | 13:00 |
| withorwithout | so it'snot that comparable | 13:00 |
| GhostGurl | were around 100k dead right? | 13:00 |
| GhostGurl | in usa? | 13:00 |
| dTal | Also, flu season numbers are for the whole season. We've only had covid for a few months. | 13:00 |
| withorwithout | dTal: we have numbers for bad flu seasons, specifically | 13:01 |
| ketas | covid season hmm | 13:01 |
| withorwithout | but yes, covid is still worse, even with the distancing measures | 13:01 |
| GhostGurl | also, you have to trust the numbers and believe there is no disinformation going on in this brilliant lockup where the sick aren't quarantined, but the healthy are. | 13:01 |
| ketas | who knows if i'm sick? | 13:02 |
| ketas | or was | 13:02 |
| GhostGurl | if you don't who would? | 13:02 |
| GhostGurl | lol | 13:02 |
| GhostGurl | sounds silly | 13:02 |
| GhostGurl | i know when i'm sick | 13:03 |
| GhostGurl | but that's just me | 13:03 |
| GhostGurl | experience i guess | 13:03 |
| ketas | you sick gurl | 13:03 |
| ketas | :P | 13:03 |
| withorwithout | you can get pretty mild symptoms from this or even no symptoms at all, but that last thing is getting debated | 13:03 |
| ketas | well i've had few symtoms | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 10:45 UTC: Health: Human Viruses Can Jump into Animals, Too--Sowing the Seeds of Future Epidemics → https://is.gd/kW3XMW | 13:04 |
| dTal | Yeah that's kind of the whole problem | 13:04 |
| ketas | i just took a rest time | 13:04 |
| GhostGurl | i've only felt better as the covid has gone on... i keep getting stronger | 13:04 |
| ketas | why so stronh | 13:04 |
| dTal | if everyone who was contagious immediately felt sick, it wouldn't be such a problem because those people would stay at home | 13:04 |
| ketas | g | 13:04 |
| dTal | that's why ebola and sars aren't pandemics | 13:05 |
| withorwithout | dTal: not only because of that | 13:05 |
| ketas | dTal: or if they die | 13:05 |
| withorwithout | ↑ | 13:05 |
| GhostGurl | wouldn't of known that when they locked the country down a few years back when all those ebola dr's were here in the usa | 13:05 |
| ketas | dead will not spread | 13:05 |
| GhostGurl | they acted like we might all die | 13:05 |
| GhostGurl | fear us but good | 13:05 |
| GhostGurl | feared* | 13:05 |
| GhostGurl | \they locked travel down | 13:06 |
| GhostGurl | from certain countries | 13:06 |
| dTal | would you have preferred they didn't | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +2346 cases (now 126949), +64 deaths (now 7183) since 23 hours ago — Malta: +15 cases (now 584) since a day ago — World: +2546 cases (now 5.0 million), +81 deaths (now 325460) since 50 minutes ago — US: +113 cases (now 1.6 million), +16 deaths (now 93558) since 50 minutes ago | 13:07 |
| withorwithout | all these measures will be revisited and some of them would probably show they did not have a positive effect at all, but that's to be expected. Too much was unknown and most countries tried their best. | 13:08 |
| GhostGurl | I would prefer if they locked unnecessary travel over seas down all the time. I don't really trust it. ;) | 13:08 |
| withorwithout | and hopefully they will just be better for the next pandemic | 13:08 |
| ketas | well if you keep away it will not spread | 13:08 |
| ketas | that works! | 13:08 |
| GhostGurl | but i like to get close and naked w/ many | 13:08 |
| GhostGurl | ;) | 13:09 |
| ketas | oh god why naked | 13:09 |
| withorwithout | because fun | 13:09 |
| GhostGurl | because that's how you have sex? | 13:09 |
| GhostGurl | good lord | 13:09 |
| withorwithout | lol | 13:09 |
| ketas | do you have problem with lack of it? | 13:09 |
| GhostGurl | where you from ketas? you guys wear some kind of sex outfit or something? | 13:10 |
| GhostGurl | lack of sex? i have a wife and an open marriage.. i have sex many times a day. | 13:10 |
| ketas | good | 13:10 |
| ketas | outfit hmm | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia passes 300,000 cases; Spain mandates face masks for those over six → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 13:11 |
| ketas | that could be better as i have sensory issues | 13:11 |
| withorwithout | GhostGurl: ah nice | 13:11 |
| withorwithout | this is a good time to have some sex companion close to you, tbh | 13:11 |
| ketas | why? | 13:11 |
| ketas | it helps with stress0 | 13:12 |
| ketas | ? | 13:12 |
| ketas | unsure i've not done it for 10 years or so | 13:12 |
| GhostGurl | this is a good time to do what ever you want.. who is going to stop you? | 13:12 |
| GhostGurl | i haven't quarantined at all | 13:13 |
| GhostGurl | fuck it | 13:13 |
| GhostGurl | ;) | 13:13 |
| withorwithout | ketas: yes, having sex (up to some extend) is healthy | 13:13 |
| GhostGurl | if the kungflu is going to kill me let it be.. not going to make me worry. | 13:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Madagascar: +45 cases (now 371) since a day ago — Qatar: +1491 cases (now 37097), +1 deaths (now 16) since 23 hours ago — World: +1693 cases (now 5.0 million), +5 deaths (now 325465) since 37 minutes ago — Maldives: +43 cases (now 1186) since 22 hours ago | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Comoros: +23 cases (now 34) since 10 days ago — World: +23 cases (now 5.0 million) since 19 minutes ago | 13:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 11:49 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Rebekah Jones licenziata per aver rifiutato di truccare i dati sul Covid-19 → https://is.gd/9D13pt | 13:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:56 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures bounced Wednesday, continuing the volatility that's been the hallmark of Wall Street during the coronavirus crisis. → https://is.gd/vp63G6 | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +311 cases (now 7843) since 14 hours ago — Kuwait: +804 cases (now 17568), +3 deaths (now 124) since 23 hours ago — Belarus: +918 cases (now 32426), +4 deaths (now 179) since a day ago — World: +2033 cases (now 5.0 million), +7 deaths (now 325472) since 25 minutes ago | 14:07 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 248818 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 35341 deaths (14.2% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (11.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sweden: +724 cases (now 31523), +88 deaths (now 3831) since a day ago — Netherlands: +198 cases (now 44447), +33 deaths (now 5748) since a day ago — World: +937 cases (now 5.0 million), +122 deaths (now 325594) since 20 minutes ago — Burkina Faso: +13 cases (now 809), +1 deaths (now 52) since 2 days ago | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Surge in online orders boosts Target results; iconic NY steakhouse goes digital → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:34 UTC: Eurozone crisis: Inflation falls in UK and eurozone amid Covid-19 lockdowns as global trade tumbles - business live → https://is.gd/srRw6h | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 12:45 UTC: Covid2019: A community mourns a Brooklyn physician who died fighting coronavirus - CNN → https://is.gd/FS9iH2 | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:50 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures bounced Wednesday, continuing the volatility that's been the hallmark of Wall Street during the coronavirus crisis. → https://is.gd/vp63G6 | 14:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Surge in online orders boosts Target results; iconic NY steakhouse goes digital → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain mandates face masks as Greece prepares to unveil tourism plans → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:20 UTC: Scientists propose a 50 days on, 30 days off coronavirus lockdown strategy: A new report has suggested that alternating strict measures with intervals of relaxed social distancing could be a more effective way of slowing the spread of Covid-19 than indefinite or milder lockdowns. → https://is.gd/1dh26p | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:24 UTC: Eurozone crisis: Inflation falls in UK, eurozone and Canada amid Covid-19 lockdowns as global trade tumbles - business live → https://is.gd/srRw6h | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mayotte: +105 cases (now 1475), +1 deaths (now 19) since a day ago — Kenya: +66 cases (now 1029) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +2691 cases (now 62545), +10 deaths (now 339) since a day ago — Virginia, US: +763 cases (now 32908), +33 deaths (now 1074) since a day ago | 15:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Surge in online orders boosts Target, Lowe's results; iconic NY steakhouse goes digital → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 15:47 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Septic shock presentation in adolescents with COVID-19 (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gn207g | 15:52 |
| _abc_ | https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-dutch-farm-worker-covid-mink.html this is bad. Any info on covid in city winged rats? Seagulls and doves? | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:45 UTC: New York's coronavirus outbreak is back to where it started, Gov. Andrew Cuomo says: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the state's coronavirus outbreak has slowed to levels not seen since the beginning of the pandemic as the number of fatalities, rate of new infections and the daily number of hospitalizations related to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ESrffr | 15:54 |
| _abc_ | Feral farm cats as a vector are suspected but I'd say birds are interesting to look into. Especially in cities | 15:54 |
| _abc_ | Looks like it's a definite maybe so far. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16537157/ | 15:59 |
| _abc_ | Stupid question, but with fish market workers involved in so many cases of spreading covid, has anyone tested FISH for covid carrying capability? Perhaps sea mammals too? I assume their meat is consumed illicitly here and there. | 16:00 |
| _abc_ | And openly in China. | 16:00 |
| _abc_ | I don't suppose fish have ACE2 receptors but ...? | 16:00 |
| _abc_ | Maybe they can carry it as is anyway? Perhaps as a result of their meals or such? | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Surge in online orders boosts Target, Lowe's results; iconic NY steakhouse goes digital → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CDC releases guidelines to reopen, swing-state voters divided on second wave risk → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:09 UTC: Eurozone crisis: Bank of England not ruling out negative interest rates amid Covid-19 crisis - business live → https://is.gd/srRw6h | 16:15 |
| _abc_ | Sorry I have to post this, around here a hot woman counts as "Aspirin" and is supposed to help cure viral diseases... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8339101/Nurse-disciplined-wearing-lingerie-PPE-gown-Russia.html | 16:19 |
| withorwithout | _abc_: avoid the sexism please :) | 16:22 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'We've been muzzled': CDC sources say White House putting politics ahead of science (10156 votes) | https://redd.it/gn9ruk | 16:22 |
| withorwithout | also, dailymail :/ | 16:22 |
| _abc_ | Hell I won't do that, not old enough yet, just over 50... | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 14:17 UTC: Coronavirus: UK to trace contacts of 10,000 new cases from 1 June: It comes as Labour accuses the government of leaving a "huge hole" in the UK's coronavirus defences. → https://is.gd/tiy8t3 | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CDC releases guidelines to reopen, swing-state voters divided on second wave risk → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:39 UTC: (news): Trump 'considering' travel ban after Brazil suffers deadliest coronavirus day on record → https://is.gd/Jq2WKI | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CDC releases guidelines to reopen, swing-state voters divided on second wave risk → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for West Virginia, US: +31 cases (now 1545), +1 deaths (now 69) since 17 hours ago — Palestine: +7 cases (now 398) since 21 hours ago — Maryland, US: +777 cases (now 42323), +42 deaths (now 2123) since a day ago — Moldova: +213 cases (now 6553), +7 deaths (now 228) since 21 hours ago | 16:53 |
| nixonix | %title https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/ | 16:58 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From edition.cnn.com: The mystery behind the data aggregation site Worldometer | 16:58 |
| nixonix | %title https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1263062077213749250 | 16:58 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: John Burn-Murdoch su Twitter: "I was on a call with a bunch of data journalists last month where we discussed our ...surprise... that Johns Hopkins used Worldometers as a source for its Covid data [...] | 16:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 15:00 UTC: Coronavirus: How does contact tracing work and is my data safe?: Millions in the UK will soon be asked to download an app that helps to limit coronavirus spreading. → https://is.gd/KGOiZI | 17:05 |
| LjL | haha no | 17:06 |
| LjL | nixonix, oh lord seriously? | 17:06 |
| LjL | nixonix, tinwhiskers: i think the thing is currently, everyone uses everyone else as at least an "additional" source | 17:06 |
| LjL | Google aren't idiots and they just hooked onto wikipedia data | 17:06 |
| LjL | i think they could see the mess that was to be | 17:07 |
| nixonix | spain hasnt released new case numbers since apr 29? according to offloop. they have more recent official covid-10 death numbers, though | 17:10 |
| LjL | nixonix, no spain is broken | 17:10 |
| LjL | nixonix, you can do ?legacy=yes on offloop | 17:11 |
| LjL | to use previous sources instead of covidly | 17:11 |
| nixonix | what, they are opening restaurants and taking tourists back! | 17:11 |
| nixonix | say it aint so | 17:11 |
| LjL | :P | 17:11 |
| nixonix | ah offloop is broken on spain, if not using legacy? | 17:13 |
| nixonix | it uses different data sources in legacy mode? | 17:13 |
| LjL | nixonix, yes, it uses Covidly by default because it has the most regional coverage, but its data are sometimes broken, and now they're broken for Spain | 17:15 |
| LjL | nixonix, in legacy mode it uses... i think tinwhiskers' secret mix of sources :P | 17:15 |
| LjL | involving jhu and worldometers at least | 17:15 |
| LjL | (so, worldometers twice?) | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CDC releases guidelines to reopen, swing-state voters divided on second wave risk → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees a 'striking decline' in vaccinations, CDC releases guidelines to reopen → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:30 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump calls America's 1.52m cases 'a badge of honor', stirring outrage: President says number of US cases is good news Trump threatens to withhold funding from Michigan and Nevada over vote by mail Trump suggests hosting G7 in person Florida scientist says she was fired for refusing to change [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/K36dQ4 | 17:34 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Antibody results from Sweden: 7.3% in Stockholm, roughly 5% infected in Sweden during week 18 (98.3% sensitivity, 97.7% specificity) (85 votes) | https://redd.it/gnbpkk | 17:34 |
| LjL | similar specificity as the milan study | 17:35 |
| LjL | similar but lower, which i suspect will change the confidence intervals widely | 17:35 |
| LjL | as to the sensitivity, Milan is supposedly 100% but i dunno about that, 100% seems like a suspicious number | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees a 'striking decline' in vaccinations, CDC releases guidelines to reopen → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 17:41 |
| nixonix | "The analyzes for week 18 (a total of 1,104 analyzed samples)" | 17:43 |
| nixonix | also i think they were sent in mail, and return percentage was only 60%. so those that think they might have had it, are prob more likely to send the sample back | 17:44 |
| nixonix | and sent to 20-64 year olds only | 17:45 |
| nixonix | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.folkhalsomyndigheten.se%2Fnyheter-och-press%2Fnyhetsarkiv%2F2020%2Fmaj%2Fforsta-resultaten-fran-pagaende-undersokning-av-antikroppar-for-covid-19-virus%2F | 17:45 |
| nixonix | (or was it so that they dont send sample, but go to some place to give the blood sample, but anyways 60%) | 17:46 |
| nixonix | comparing mortalities to ny city (that had their better representative antibody survey result a bit under 20% may 1st, 15k sample), stockholm city only should prob have max 4%. unless there is much higher mortality in ny city | 17:49 |
| LjL | nixonix, i think it's the same with any voluntary test. those who had symptoms are more likely to take it. but on the other hand it wouldn't be great to enforce tests either | 17:49 |
| LjL | nixonix, but the Milan study is interesting because [it's where i live and also because] on blood donor samples, if anything, you have the opposite trend: healthy subjects are more likely to donate | 17:50 |
| nixonix | yeah, but if its on their route, without needing to see lots of trouble, youll prob get more random people to participate | 17:50 |
| lance0000 | Remember when the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus map loaded in a second? Pepperidge Farm remembers. | 17:50 |
| nixonix | then if they are given the results, the selection effect is higher. so they shouldnt give the results | 17:50 |
| bin_bash | remember when not everything was a shitty webapp? | 17:50 |
| LjL | lance0000, honestly, no, nothing on my browser loads in a second ;( | 17:50 |
| lance0000 | Remember when you had to initiate a SLIP connection to get online | 17:51 |
| LjL | nixonix, oh, i hadn't thought of that. but... then i would wonder what size sample they'd end up getting. studies are best performed on n>0 | 17:51 |
| LjL | lance0000, nope, did PPP | 17:51 |
| LjL | still do, actually | 17:51 |
| LjL | my stupid 1gbps fiber works over PPP for some reason | 17:51 |
| nixonix | https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/how-not-to-do-an-antibody-survey-for-sars-cov-2-67488 | 17:52 |
| nixonix | %title | 17:52 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.the-scientist.com: How (Not) to Do an Antibody Survey for SARS-CoV-2 | The Scientist Magazine® | 17:52 |
| lance0000 | Rammstein EU tour postponed 2021. US announcment soon | 17:52 |
| LjL | ugh study funded by Jetblue | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +3782 cases (now 111601), +109 deaths (now 3426) since an hour ago — Egypt: +745 cases (now 14229), +21 deaths (now 680) since 22 hours ago — Reunion: +1 cases (now 447), +1 deaths (now 1) since a day ago — World: +5138 cases (now 5.0 million), +155 deaths (now 325966) since an hour ago | 17:53 |
| LjL | nixonix, "In mid-April, an eye-catching statistic appeared in the news: the number of people who’d been infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the California county of Santa Clara was 50 to 85 times higher than thought." ← here comes the Milan study... okay, it's not comparable because Milan was in a much shittier situation than Santa Clara, but with Milan they estimated that 1 out of 20 positive people were actually diagnosed. so, definitely lower, but simi | 17:55 |
| LjL | lar order of magnitude of "hidden positives" | 17:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees a 'striking' decline in vaccinations, CDC releases guidelines to reopen → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 17:55 |
| M0xdigip[m] | Rammstein ... Paaaa! My Wedding! 🤣 | 17:56 |
| LjL | i am worried that *fewer*, instead of more, people will get influenza vaccines next autumn | 17:57 |
| LjL | they won't want to be around doctors | 17:57 |
| lance0000 | :( | 17:57 |
| JamGobbar | vaxxer and anti stay at home movements are merging | 17:59 |
| JamGobbar | into the new religion | 17:59 |
| nixonix | stockholm city is around 1M, stockholm county 2.4M, and whole sweden around 10M. the highest prevalence is in stockholm city, then stockholm county and other regions in central sweden. many other areas have still very low prevalence | 18:00 |
| nixonix | now their non-representative sample gives still 7.3% for the highest prevalence area stockholm city (prob more like 4% in reality, imo) - and not even for stockholm county as a whole. still this is in high contrast to their estimates: | 18:01 |
| nixonix | %title https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1254084767496261632?s=20 | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Adam Kucharski su Twitter: "This modelling study from Sweden suggests 26% of Stockholm county will have been infected by May 1st (https://t.co/oBjRgk60j0). However, our estimates of under-reporting [...] | 18:02 |
| rmonten[m] | nixonix: do you have a reference for the NYC antibody study that you mentioned? | 18:02 |
| nixonix | so what their epidemiologist gonna do? jump from window? | 18:03 |
| nixonix | rmonten[m]: yeah, but ill look it up later. gotta eat and do something. maybe an hour or so | 18:03 |
| rmonten[m] | k | 18:04 |
| LjL | "Both the Santa Clara and the LA County studies used a test kit manufactured by Chinese company Hangzhou Biotest Biotech, which is not on China’s approved manufacturers list and has since been banned from exporting its kits, NBC reports." ← hardly a good sign | 18:04 |
| M0xdigip[m] | What happens around Massachusetts atm.? Heared that after the demonstrations the cases on the Land Site went Up? | 18:05 |
| M0xdigip[m] | *Landside (If it is correct) :) | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Montana, US: +7 cases (now 478) since 22 hours ago — Indiana, US: +569 cases (now 29274), +40 deaths (now 1864) since 22 hours ago — Brazil: +3202 cases (now 275087), +138 deaths (now 18121) since 15 hours ago — Canada: +391 cases (now 79503), +44 deaths (now 5956) since 16 hours ago | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:05 UTC: Coronavirus: UK track and trace system in place from June - PM: It comes as Labour accuses the government of leaving a "huge hole" in the UK's coronavirus defences. → https://is.gd/tiy8t3 | 18:09 |
| nixonix | couple more things, why ny city 15k sample was much better. it was high enough number for high prevalence area (around 20% prevalence), so that false positives were clear minority, and also less variance. for lowish prevalence area like stockholm city, there would be close to similar amounts of false postives than real positives - depending on proven specificity (not just manufacturers promises) | 18:09 |
| LjL | nixonix, but is the NY study even out yet? when they just posted it on newspapers, i was like, okay, what does this tell me, what's the false positive rate of this test | 18:10 |
| nixonix | i havent seen a paper made of it. but i havent looked for it lately. i think they published manufacturers promice on specificity. but ill check later what info i had then, and if theres something new | 18:14 |
| nixonix | recently its going worse in ny city. now they provide tests for those that want to know if they have had the infection. so it doesnt work as a survey, not as an immunity passport. just politics | 18:15 |
| nixonix | %title https://twitter.com/NYCMayor/status/1262099671000002563 | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Mayor Bill de Blasio su Twitter: "We’re testing 140,000 New Yorkers for antibodies, so they’ll know if they had COVID-19 before. That’ll be helpful for them and helpful for us as a city tracking how [...] | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees a 'striking' decline in vaccinations, CDC releases guidelines to reopen → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 18:16 |
| LjL | nixonix, italy is testing 150k people, supposedly on a representative sample, chosen by ISTAT, and supposedly with decent tests not based on lateral flow. but i expect results to take forever to be published | 18:19 |
| LjL | also, i still don't expect (but i could be wrong) for it to be *compulsory* for the chosen people to participate | 18:19 |
| LjL | so that would still skew it towards people with symptoms... | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:16 UTC: /u/slakmehl: States Are Reopening: See How Coronavirus Cases Rise or Fall | ProPublica → https://is.gd/m7h8l5 | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for North Dakota, US: +101 cases (now 2095), +4 deaths (now 49) since 22 hours ago — Minnesota, US: +641 cases (now 17670), +29 deaths (now 786) since 22 hours ago — Mississippi, US: +263 cases (now 11967), +16 deaths (now 570) since 22 hours ago — Arizona, US: +331 cases (now 14897), +43 deaths (now 747) since 22 hours ago | 18:23 |
| nixonix | they should use sponsors and bribe people to do the test. something like 20-30 euros/dollars worth of chocolate and stuff, would prob cost like 30% to the manufacturers without taxes and all, and would give them advertising value back | 18:23 |
| nixonix | and do it on doors, calling first for time to appear there | 18:24 |
| nixonix | eg i never participate in gallups and stuff, unless im paid (the almost never do that here). long time ago i got 400g good chocolate, so i participated | 18:26 |
| LjL | nixonix, if they give me chocolate then they have to pay twice | 18:27 |
| LjL | since i'll also get more reflux medicine with public healthcare | 18:27 |
| LjL | nixonix, they do lure blood donors here with fancy meals | 18:28 |
| LjL | which is partly just to replenish their blood obviously and avoid people fainting and stuff | 18:28 |
| LjL | but it also attracts more people just as obviously | 18:28 |
| LjL | or at least makes people come back again | 18:28 |
| nixonix | paying gets more participants. the sweet spot is somewhere how much to pay, depending if its important to get good data or not. in this case it is | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:23 UTC: Coronavirus: UK track and trace system in place from June - PM: It comes as Labour accuses the government of leaving a "huge hole" in the UK's coronavirus defences. → https://is.gd/tiy8t3 | 18:30 |
| LjL | nixonix, i guess it wouldn't be too expensive. if you want to get 150000 people like in italy and you just buy them €10 worth of chocolate, well you can do the math, i'm sure other parts of the testing would cost more | 18:35 |
| LjL | not sure if €10 worth of choclit is enough incentive, but probably | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +4038 cases (now 53617), +35 deaths (now 544) since a day ago — Djibouti: +210 cases (now 1828), +2 deaths (now 9) since 17 hours ago — Jordan: +23 cases (now 672) since 21 hours ago — World: +4285 cases (now 5.0 million), +37 deaths (now 326364) since 20 minutes ago | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees 'striking' decline in vaccinations; air travel could face 'long period' of slowdown → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 18:44 |
| M0xdigip[m] | Isn't atm the problem that they can't say if you can get reinfected and spraying the Virus around again? In this case find employees in hospitals and Monitor them, i would say. The risc to get infected seems to be much higher there and usually they are more open minded to medical stuff. | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Oliver Dowden leads daily briefing as official death toll rises by 363 to 35,704 → https://is.gd/o5pgW0 | 18:51 |
| _abc_ | Will bribing with chocolate not weed out people who are allergic to it or do not eat it ? :) | 18:53 |
| _abc_ | Affects statistics :) | 18:53 |
| LjL | :P | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rhode Island, US: +405 cases (now 13356), +6 deaths (now 538) since 23 hours ago — Maine, US: +78 cases (now 1819) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +254 cases (now 13477), +5 deaths (now 446) since 23 hours ago — US: +618 cases (now 1.6 million), +11 deaths (now 93858) since 35 minutes ago | 18:53 |
| LjL | i'd say just give them €10, but "€10" sounds like not a lot | 18:53 |
| LjL | it sounds like more when it's in chocolate | 18:54 |
| LjL | maybe there could be a choice of 3 nommy foods | 18:54 |
| blkshp | One small pack of overpriced chocolate biscuits. there were 8 in the pack for £8 | 18:54 |
| _abc_ | ISTAT etc test cohorts are specially tuned to cope with people who are chosen but opt out | 18:54 |
| LjL | _abc_, ah, how does that work? do they have "backup subjects"? | 18:55 |
| _abc_ | Since ISTAT is not Nazi Germany or such. Now, in places like China and Russia, the coercion may involve Kalachnikovs. | 18:55 |
| LjL | well i bet ISTAT was originally founded for racial profiling purposes or similar :P | 18:55 |
| _abc_ | LjL: I don't know exactly, there are papers on this, on how to run a test when some people balk at it and how to correct for it. | 18:55 |
| _abc_ | Take a look at countries which force people to vote in elections using a fine. Like Australia. | 18:56 |
| _abc_ | It's similar there. Some people prefer to pay the fine anyway. | 18:56 |
| LjL | _abc_, anyway, ISTAT census is compulsory. if we get selected there are fines for not cooperating | 18:57 |
| _abc_ | https://books.google.ro/books?id=9RZvqvJkxPcC&pg=PA141&lpg=PA141&dq=statistics+representative+sample+ISTAT+correct+for+opting+out&source=bl&ots=fNvIT_Nf8t&sig=ACfU3U0KgVjlazlZekflgWB5Y1_pL1TGpw&hl=ro&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWj8DS9MLpAhVSx4UKHc-oD1wQ6AEwAHoECAIQAQ I think this touches the subject | 18:58 |
| LjL | there used to be penalties for not voting here too... not sure how applied they've ever been | 18:58 |
| _abc_ | LjL: yes and a lot of people prefer to pay the fine and be counted as opposing the coercion. What are you going to do about it? | 18:58 |
| _abc_ | Dunno where you are. | 18:58 |
| LjL | _abc_, i dunno, Kalashnikovs? :P | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:55 UTC: Coronavirus: Track and trace system in place from June - PM: It comes as Labour accuses the government of leaving a "huge hole" in the UK's coronavirus defences. → https://is.gd/tiy8t3 | 18:58 |
| LjL | _abc_, i'm in Italy, else i wouldn't be getting selected by ISTAT census :P | 18:59 |
| _abc_ | I thought I is for International | 18:59 |
| LjL | no it's the italian statistical institute | 19:00 |
| _abc_ | You can see ISTAT in the page (book) I linked and it's not Italy there... | 19:00 |
| LjL | a member of Eurostat now | 19:00 |
| LjL | i think it's italy | 19:00 |
| LjL | they are saying the same method as italy is used for selecting the same | 19:00 |
| LjL | sample* | 19:00 |
| _abc_ | hm ok | 19:00 |
| LjL | %wik ISTAT | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from Italian Wikipedia: L'Istituto nazionale di statistica (Istat o ISTAT) è un ente pubblico di ricerca italiano che si occupa dei censimenti generali della popolazione, dei servizi e dell'industria, e dell'agricoltura, di indagini campionarie sulle famiglie e di indagini economiche generali a livello nazionale. → https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istituto_nazionale_di_statistica | 19:01 |
| LjL | %wik :en ISTAT | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, specify one of the following: Abbott Laboratories — International Society of Transport Aircraft Trading — National Institute of Statistics (Italy) | 19:01 |
| LjL | %wik :en National Institute of Statistics (Italy) | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: The Italian National Institute of Statistics (Italian: Istituto Nazionale di Statistica; Istat) is the main producer of official statistics in Italy. Its activities include the census of population, economic censuses and a number of social, economic and environmental surveys and [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_National_Institute_of_Statistics | 19:01 |
| _abc_ | Anyway in theory for every opted out member one randomly choses a replacement. To avoid idiocy the replacements are chosen before starting LjL so in reality a certain number can opt out without affecting the outcome | 19:01 |
| _abc_ | LjL: iow the sample population count is increased beforehead to account for this | 19:01 |
| LjL | thta's sort of what i was thinking then, when i said "backup subjects" | 19:02 |
| _abc_ | Yes. | 19:02 |
| _abc_ | Except iirc there are means in place to make sure the opt outs are random and do not belong to a clear group which would skew the outcome | 19:02 |
| _abc_ | Like all colored people refuse to answer. | 19:02 |
| _abc_ | (or most*) | 19:02 |
| _abc_ | https://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/D3310114.nsf/home/Basic+Survey+Design+-+Sample+Design here several methods covered | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees 'striking' decline in vaccinations; workers at reopened Ford plant test positive → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tajikistan: +204 cases (now 2140) since a day ago — Brazil: +295 cases (now 275382), +9 deaths (now 18130) since an hour ago — World: +824 cases (now 5.0 million), +12 deaths (now 326391) since 19 minutes ago — Louisiana, US: +278 cases (now 35316) since 23 hours ago | 19:08 |
| _abc_ | https://nationalpost.com/news/unmasked-as-societal-norms-change-what-wearing-a-mask-might-reveal-about-you-your-habits-and-even-how-intelligent-you-are | 19:10 |
| _abc_ | Interesting on how masks affect people. | 19:10 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 infection protects against rechallenge in rhesus macaques (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gncjyx | 19:11 |
| Arsanerit | Are there really countries that give a penalty for not *voting*? I've only heard of countries giving a penalty for not turning up, but a blank or invalid vote is not punished by a fine (how could it be?) | 19:16 |
| LjL | oh meh, national post doesn't let me copypaste, that is supremely annoying | 19:16 |
| Arsanerit | disable javascript | 19:16 |
| LjL | can't be bothered | 19:17 |
| LjL | someone who actually wants to violate their copyright will be bothered | 19:17 |
| LjL | while people who just want to discuss and share their article will drop it | 19:17 |
| _abc_ | https://www.medgadget.com/2020/04/clear-face-masks-for-the-deaf-and-hard-of-hearing.html interesting. Also for teachers who need people to see their facial expression. | 19:19 |
| _abc_ | It cracks me up when politicians alone in a big studio wear a face mask to say what they have to say. | 19:19 |
| _abc_ | Sigh. | 19:19 |
| _abc_ | Usually with the nose clip open. | 19:19 |
| _abc_ | Does one expect coronavirus related masking in public etc to subside in 1-2 years as a lot of people will have had it by then? | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Palestine: +179 cases (now 577) since 2 hours ago — Chad: +20 cases (now 565), +1 deaths (now 57) since 23 hours ago — World: +284 cases (now 5.0 million), +1 deaths (now 326392) since 21 minutes ago — Morocco: +85 cases (now 7133) since 7 hours ago | 19:23 |
| LjL | _abc_, who knows? people are still wearing masks in Japan and it apparently started with the 1918 flu. in many other places they've dropped them. | 19:24 |
| LjL | _abc_, too many politicians and even doctors here show up on TV wearing a mask leaving their nose out completely :( | 19:25 |
| LjL | and then of course, you see many laypeople in the street doing the same | 19:25 |
| LjL | maybe many would do it anyway, but call me overreacting, i think showing it on TV is nearly criminal | 19:25 |
| _abc_ | was looking at public transport here, subway had 80% of people with nose out of mask yesterday. | 19:26 |
| LjL | sigh | 19:26 |
| LjL | and the regional law here states clearly that you must cover mouth and nose | 19:26 |
| LjL | so if you're going to break the law just don't wear anything | 19:26 |
| LjL | i don't understand | 19:26 |
| _abc_ | Here too. But for legal loophole reasons nobody could be fined till Monday. | 19:27 |
| _abc_ | Oh some don't wear one at all. They are turned back by guards here, at the turnstiles. | 19:27 |
| LjL | maybe wearing it but wearing it wrong does just enough to prevent other people from "social shaming" you on the metro | 19:27 |
| LjL | _abc_, good. i hope the same is happening on our metro but i haven't ventured there yet | 19:27 |
| LjL | i don't know if we have enough staff for that | 19:28 |
| LjL | in the newest line many stations were designed to be unmanned | 19:28 |
| _abc_ | But I was in shops briefly, young lass on phone, mask down, goes into shop near peopl, guard tells her to cover up, she does, walks behind a corner, puts mask down again, continues yakking. 6 steps from me. I do not fear the virus I fear what English literature online calls Covidiots. | 19:28 |
| Arsanerit | do you use single-use or reusable masks? | 19:28 |
| _abc_ | LjL: I did not go into the metro, looked online on yt on news report! | 19:28 |
| Arsanerit | I find the washing requirements tricky, very often washing with very little else in the machine, so wasteful ): | 19:28 |
| LjL | oh that's a new word to me | 19:28 |
| LjL | cheers | 19:28 |
| _abc_ | We are allowed surgical blue, diy cloth, or KN95/FFP2 | 19:28 |
| _abc_ | Do not ask why | 19:28 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, i re-use single use masks | 19:28 |
| LjL | we are allowed anything, including scarves | 19:29 |
| LjL | mainly because when the law was made masks were not really available | 19:29 |
| LjL | (still kind of aren't) | 19:29 |
| _abc_ | Yes it is not precise. But I will turn out in a cold war soviet gas mask if I have to go in the subway. | 19:29 |
| _abc_ | The president here said already if the Covidiots will drive infection rates high again there will be a second lockdown. | 19:29 |
| _abc_ | I consider it as a 14 day tral period. Trying to fix as many things as possbile in between. | 19:30 |
| LjL | i think here the "threat" is whether or not we'll be allowed summer holidays away from our places | 19:30 |
| _abc_ | Arsanerit: hand wash masks in a bowl. Put in some soapy water or liquid dishwashing soap, pour on hot water from kettle. Leave there until you can touch the water, wring, rinse, put up to dry. | 19:31 |
| _abc_ | It takes 15+ minutes to go from 95 degC to 40 degC | 19:31 |
| _abc_ | LjL: with scary stats like I saw in .it I think all those who could die already died. Sorry if it is painful, it is an awful thing to say. Also for UK. | 19:32 |
| LjL | well my parents would count as people at risk, but they're still alive for now | 19:32 |
| _abc_ | Sure I mean statistically. | 19:32 |
| _abc_ | Is there a theory on why UK and .it were hit so hard? | 19:33 |
| LjL | several about .it | 19:33 |
| _abc_ | Like? | 19:34 |
| LjL | well, i think sheer randomness played a big role in italy being the first western country to be hit (or to notice it, anyway) | 19:34 |
| LjL | but then, being the first country didn't help | 19:34 |
| LjL | (although other countries didn't quite "learn the lesson" in time anyway) | 19:34 |
| LjL | and then, we are known as a country where younger people live with elderly more | 19:34 |
| _abc_ | LjL: maybe because lots of tourists from Asia? | 19:34 |
| LjL | i mean, maybe, it did start around milan | 19:35 |
| LjL | but anyway we had an initial superspreader | 19:35 |
| _abc_ | Yes I saw that. | 19:35 |
| LjL | now we know he wasn't "the" initial one | 19:35 |
| LjL | because we know it was already circulating in Milan | 19:35 |
| LjL | but he still spread it to hospitals, widely | 19:35 |
| LjL | and spread in hospitals is correlated with bad outcomes | 19:35 |
| _abc_ | Was there any research on the fish market connection? Maybe some fish carries it? | 19:35 |
| LjL | not that i'm aware | 19:36 |
| LjL | also, we have a limited number of ICU beds | 19:36 |
| LjL | similar to the UK (the UK is worse) | 19:36 |
| LjL | but much, much lower than Germany | 19:36 |
| _abc_ | 2 fish market related contamination areas so far that I know of, one in France and one in Wuhan | 19:36 |
| LjL | france, really? | 19:37 |
| _abc_ | Maybe, just maybe, they had marine mammal meat on sale? Illegally in France? Marine mammals can get it, I assume? | 19:37 |
| _abc_ | Fishmonger in Paris had it. | 19:37 |
| _abc_ | https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/doctors-date-first-covid-19-case-in-france-to-late-december-67510 | 19:37 |
| _abc_ | LjL: you missed this one? | 19:37 |
| LjL | yup | 19:39 |
| LjL | well, actually no | 19:39 |
| LjL | i didn't miss the fact the first patient was dated to december i think | 19:39 |
| LjL | but i missed the specifics | 19:40 |
| _abc_ | There are also the persistent rumors about sports teams participating to the military international games in Wuhan in December 2019 getting sick with this. Not confirmed. Including French team members. | 19:40 |
| _abc_ | So whatever it was, it was loose around then and there apparently. | 19:40 |
| LjL | oh there was also a rumor on the spread in Lombardy being partly fueled by a football match | 19:40 |
| _abc_ | Would be interesting if the relevant sportsmen would test for covid antibodies now in France, to see what they really had | 19:40 |
| _abc_ | It is clear that public gatherings led to it exploding. | 19:41 |
| _abc_ | But from what seed. That is the question. | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:33 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to restart tourism from 15 June: Country plans to allow international flights from 1 July; Spain makes face coverings compulsory; global cases hit 4.9m → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 19:41 |
| LjL | another thing by the way is that Lombardy, and the Milan metro area in particular, are simply some of the densest populated places in Europe | 19:41 |
| LjL | my opinion is it's a mixture of factors without a single one dominating, probably | 19:41 |
| _abc_ | I do not believe in spontaneous creation. Something bred that shit and bred it for a long time from whatever wild virus exists to what it is now. | 19:42 |
| _abc_ | Several generations, probably over 10 succesful ones to get from A to B. | 19:42 |
| blkshp | o.O | 19:42 |
| _abc_ | That takes time and a population of something infected. | 19:42 |
| blkshp | Explain the universe? | 19:42 |
| blkshp | there endeth the lesson :P | 19:43 |
| _abc_ | I wish authorities would start testing things like bird poo on the streets and rats in cities for covid. | 19:43 |
| _abc_ | They have no problems deleting civil rights and locking down 3 million people cities but that, no. | 19:43 |
| _abc_ | Took a while anyway to see that cats and ferrets carry it. | 19:44 |
| _abc_ | Would not be surprized to see sewer rats can carry it quite well. | 19:45 |
| _abc_ | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC521845/ voila | 19:45 |
| _abc_ | What are the odds genetically modified rats carrying human ACE2 are loose in the sewers? | 19:46 |
| _abc_ | Is every genetically modified rat tracked from birth to death? I think not. | 19:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees 'striking' decline in vaccinations; workers at reopened Ford plant test positive → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 19:48 |
| _abc_ | https://www.taconic.com/knockout-mouse/ace2-targeted since they're available frozen maybe also live? | 19:49 |
| _abc_ | "humanized mice price" finds a lot of references. | 19:51 |
| _abc_ | "humanized" gives me goose bumps. | 19:52 |
| dunnp | why? | 19:52 |
| _abc_ | This is scary, you know. Genetic engineering / modified organisms are mass produced and handled somewhat loosely imo. | 19:53 |
| _abc_ | GE corn is one thing, GE mouse with mods able to carry and multiply human diseases, is another. And much worse. | 19:53 |
| LjL | _abc_, humanized mice (or humanized other things) will likely be the first decently working treatment for COVID, too... after just plasma | 19:53 |
| _abc_ | Or they will rule the planet after infecting every other mammal. | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia (US), US: +758 cases (now 39647), +3 deaths (now 1687) since 3 hours ago — Yemen: +17 cases (now 184), +2 deaths (now 30) since 21 hours ago — Delaware, US: +157 cases (now 8194), +6 deaths (now 310) since a day ago — Canada: +578 cases (now 80081), +71 deaths (now 6027) since an hour ago | 19:54 |
| nixonix | rmonten[m]: before trying to find if theres more recent information, this had the most comprehensive description of results couple of weeks ago: https://www.amny.com/coronavirus/latest-antibody-study-report-shows-up-to-20-of-nyc-residents-had-covid-19/ | 19:54 |
| dunnp | I don't think your intuition is correct - they aren't mass produced | 19:54 |
| dunnp | or handled loosely | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:51 UTC: New York's Peter Luger Steak House, after 133 years, begins delivery and accepts credit cards: Peter Luger Steak House decided to start delivery so it could partially reopen during the coronavirus pandemic, General Manager David Berson told CNBC. → https://is.gd/uZTMKj | 19:55 |
| nixonix | for the whole ny state: "As of May 1, approximately 15,000 people have participated in the ongoing study, which concluded that 12.3% of them had COVID-19 antibodies" | 19:55 |
| _abc_ | I don't know. As far as I can read they are rather readily shipped around the world like other caged animals. | 19:55 |
| nixonix | for new york city only: "May 1 report found that 19.9% of New York City participants had the antibodies" | 19:55 |
| dunnp | you can order mice like the one you linked for research labs yes | 19:56 |
| dunnp | that was a knockout mouse | 19:56 |
| _abc_ | Are they shipped spayed when live? | 19:57 |
| dunnp | they ship embryos typically | 19:57 |
| _abc_ | I assume ACE2 enhanced ones have been around since the 1st SARS epidemic in 2003? | 19:57 |
| _abc_ | So 17 years? | 19:57 |
| dunnp | what are ACE2 enhanced mice | 19:57 |
| _abc_ | Like the one I linked. Ones with human ACE2 protein expressed in lieu of/on the side of murine ACE2 | 19:58 |
| _abc_ | Used initially to research SARS COV1 | 19:58 |
| _abc_ | After the epidemic from 2003 | 19:58 |
| dunnp | you linked a KO mouse? | 19:59 |
| _abc_ | The KO mouse was alive before that yes? | 19:59 |
| dunnp | knock out means the gene is inactivated | 19:59 |
| _abc_ | Oh I thought it referred to the mouse itself. | 19:59 |
| dunnp | but there might be a humanized ACE2 mouse somewhere | 20:00 |
| dunnp | https://www.jax.org/strain/034860 | 20:00 |
| dunnp | there is one | 20:00 |
| _abc_ | So the likelyhood of some colony of at least partly human ACE2 carrying mice or rats out in the wild is low? | 20:00 |
| _abc_ | The humanized ACE2 mouse was developed for SARS COV1 research after 2003 afaik. I read about it today or these days. | 20:00 |
| rmonten[m] | nixonix: thanks! | 20:00 |
| _abc_ | I wonder if that humanized gene mod is recessive or not. Upon reproduction. | 20:01 |
| nixonix | rmonten[m]: this is for those antibody surveys (not for those new "immunity passport" tests where ppl are given the results - that has a different manufacturer): | 20:01 |
| nixonix | The tests used in New York were developed by the Wadsworth Center, a public health laboratory of the state Health Department. In a fact sheet provided by the agency, the test's specificity — as in its ability to identify antibodies specific to this coronavirus rather than coronaviruses in previous outbreaks — is 93 percent to 100 percent. | 20:01 |
| _abc_ | Probably does not even make it into repro organs? But ACE2 is expressed in genitals. | 20:01 |
| nixonix | %title https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/what-we-can-can-t-take-away-new-york-s-n1191106 | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nbcnews.com: What we can (and can't) take away from New York's antibody testing results | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:59 UTC: (news): Do you want to be a temperature screener or Covid-19 tester? These are the jobs created by the pandemic → https://is.gd/u90nJ9 | 20:02 |
| _abc_ | The new TSA | 20:03 |
| _abc_ | https://www.cyagen.com/us/en/service/turboknockout-gene-targeting-mouse.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2_qRuYPD6QIVBobVCh0yJACwEAAYASAAEgLlGvD_BwE#/humanized dunnp $500 each starting | 20:04 |
| _abc_ | https://www.cyagen.com/us/en/community/promotions/ace2-mouse-model.html | 20:04 |
| rmonten[m] | 93 percent to 100 percent is quite a range, good to know | 20:05 |
| _abc_ | It has pretty marketing ad design, clearly in business for a long time already. | 20:05 |
| nixonix | now if anyone knows if its this assay they used in that new york may 1st survey, or some previous assay by Wadsworth, please tell and link. but here is their assay listed: "Wadsworth New York SARS-CoV Microsphere Immunoassay for Antibody Detection" | 20:05 |
| nixonix | %title https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/eua-authorized-serology-test-performance | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.fda.gov: EUA Authorized Serology Test Performance | FDA | 20:05 |
| dunnp | yes _abc_ I am not saying this isn't a thing | 20:05 |
| dunnp | it is a foundation of biological research | 20:05 |
| dunnp | lots of people use humanized mice | 20:06 |
| _abc_ | What are the odds the Wuhan labs did not use ACE2 mice and if they did, what are the odds they did not bend the rules to reproduce them locally to save costs. | 20:06 |
| _abc_ | That would be a population of organisms able to breed cov2 imo. Not an expert at all, but common sense says so. | 20:06 |
| nixonix | %title https://gothamist.com/news/your-guide-antibody-test-locations-costs-and-accuracy-nyc | 20:07 |
| tinwhiskers | What are the odds you're wildly speculating just to try to pin blame somewhere? | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From gothamist.com: Your Guide To Antibody Test Locations, Costs, And Accuracy In NYC - Gothamist | 20:07 |
| _abc_ | Breed by error or not, I cannot say. | 20:07 |
| rmonten[m] | That mentions 98.8% though | 20:07 |
| _abc_ | What are the odds your contribution consists in trying to find someone to flame all the time as before tinwhiskers ? | 20:07 |
| nixonix | this is for those tests that they are doing now for 140k people, not necessarily the same used in survey (by Wadsworth) ^ | 20:07 |
| nixonix | yeah 98.8% (428/433) (97.3%; 99.5%) | 20:08 |
| dunnp | sounds like the humanized ACE2 mice die very quickly | 20:08 |
| rmonten[m] | ok | 20:08 |
| _abc_ | dunnp: that is also possible. Then there would be ferrets and cats. Both used as pets AND as lab animals. | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Arab Emirates: +941 cases (now 26004), +6 deaths (now 233) since a day ago — New Jersey, US: +309 cases (now 151323), +40 deaths (now 10631) since 20 hours ago — Spain: +721 cases (now 279524), +110 deaths (now 27888) since 23 hours ago — Ireland: +64 cases (now 24315), +10 deaths (now 1571) since a day ago | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:03 UTC: New coronavirus cases across the world jump by the most ever in a single day, WHO says: Almost two-thirds of the Covid-19 cases were reported in just four countries, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says. → https://is.gd/zSD12P | 20:09 |
| _abc_ | There has got to be some sort of beastie in which this thing bred for a long time until it reached human jumping capability. It's either that or it's been created. The latter was shot down for reasons. It's one of the other. Not spontaneous creation for sure. | 20:09 |
| dunnp | bats? | 20:10 |
| nixonix | The Food and Drug Administration does not regulate these tests, but White House coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx has said that she expects manufacturers to achieve a standard of 90% specificity (and 90% sensitivity, another measure of test performance that's less important in this context). | 20:10 |
| dunnp | seems like bats are a good option | 20:10 |
| _abc_ | dunnp: the latest info is the bat version is too far away from the human one doing the rounds now to be it, without a long long long set of mutations. | 20:10 |
| _abc_ | I read an article on it. There has to be something else in between. | 20:10 |
| _abc_ | Also the bat virus does not seem to mutate in bats that much. Or at all. | 20:11 |
| dunnp | eh | 20:11 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, there's an intermediate host, possibly pangolin. We don't know anything more than the early days in this regard. | 20:11 |
| _abc_ | It's not that one either apparently. | 20:11 |
| dunnp | this is all speculation | 20:12 |
| _abc_ | It's a search for candidates. | 20:12 |
| tinwhiskers | There's *likely* to be an intermediate host, rather | 20:12 |
| _abc_ | Call that a 99.9% | 20:12 |
| dunnp | because of ACE2 tinwhiskers? | 20:12 |
| tinwhiskers | It's not essential. There could be a bat variant that is close enough | 20:12 |
| _abc_ | Apparently there is not. | 20:13 |
| _abc_ | Also would not be surprized if the current human variant would not catch on in bats. | 20:13 |
| nixonix | this has a nice graph on importance of specificity, and reliability of results depending on prevalence in population (despite being vox article): | 20:13 |
| nixonix | %title https://www.vox.com/2020/5/1/21240123/coronavirus-quest-diagnostics-antibody-test-covid | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.vox.com: Coronavirus antibody test: Why even super-accurate Covid-19 tests can fail - Vox | 20:13 |
| _abc_ | If one would test infection from a human to a bat. | 20:13 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: just because the genetic sequence has a discrete section that looks unlike bat coronavirus and is more like coronavirus from others mammals. | 20:13 |
| dunnp | thats like the 4 amino acid insertion thing? | 20:14 |
| tinwhiskers | That doesn't rule out the possibility that's already cycling in bats though | 20:14 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: I think so, yeah. | 20:15 |
| rmonten[m] | Thanks, I'm aware of the issue with specificity for low prevalence levels. So tests with 90% specificity wouldn't be very helpful anywhere but maybe NYC. The new 140k people tests by Wadsworth will be interesting to see. Do you know the timeline on that? | 20:15 |
| nixonix | but that example uses very high specificity antibody test as an axample. pont of care tests are nothing like that. maybe the best lab assays are now, but im not sure we can trust manufacturers own claim on this, when they arent independently evaluated (that graph in vox article) | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:13 UTC: (news): Do you want to be a temperature screener or Covid-19 tester? These are the jobs created by the pandemic → https://is.gd/u90nJ9 | 20:16 |
| nixonix | rmonten[m]: that isnt a proper survey they are doing know, that 140k. it will attract more those that think they might have had it | 20:17 |
| tinwhiskers | _abc_: considering the current human strain can infect various other mammals it wouldn't be surprising that it would infect bats still | 20:17 |
| rmonten[m] | Oh great :-) | 20:18 |
| rmonten[m] | But I guess the data is sufficiently clear that no place is (gonna be in the near future) even close to 60-70% | 20:19 |
| nixonix | yeah, unless opening bars etc will cause a helluva outbreak, that cant be contained | 20:21 |
| rmonten[m] | Altough I guess every little bit helps to get the R value down | 20:21 |
| rmonten[m] | Yeah but that would defeat the purpose wouldn't it | 20:22 |
| nixonix | Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell's comment on that antibody survey (mentioned couple of hours earlier here): it will describe the situation at early april, because developing antibodies will take a few weeks (no, it does take usually around 14 days for IgG - not 7.6 weeks, tegnell) | 20:28 |
| nixonix | 7.5 weeks* | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees 'striking' decline in vaccinations; workers at reopened Ford plant test positive → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 20:30 |
| nixonix | https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-05-20-from-a-former-swedish-state-epidemiologist--direct-words-about-the-country-s-coronal-line--%22the-swedish-model-may-not-have-been-the-wisest%22.ryzmzYbGj8.html | 20:32 |
| nixonix | %title | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.tellerreport.com: From a former Swedish state epidemiologist, direct words about the country's coronal line: "The Swedish model may not have been the wisest" - Teller Report | 20:32 |
| LjL | not the wisest | 20:40 |
| nixonix | they really, really want to believe in him there. so he can say pretty much anything | 20:41 |
| nixonix | i meant tegnell (forgot i pasted that link after my comment) | 20:42 |
| nixonix | %title https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836 | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus: What's going wrong in Sweden's care homes? - BBC News | 20:44 |
| nixonix | "They told us that we shouldn't send anyone to the hospital, even if they may be 65 and have many years to live. We were told not to send them in," says Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse who worked in several care homes around Gävle, north of Stockholm, at the beginning of the pandemic. | 20:44 |
| nixonix | "Some can have a lot of years left to live with loved ones, but they don't have the chance... because they never make it to the hospital," she says. "They suffocate to death. And it's a lot of panic and it's very hard to just stand by and watch." | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Newcastle hospital 'weeks ahead' on loss of smell-taste check → https://is.gd/cbEpjd | 20:44 |
| LjL | nixonix, i think there are a lot of people all over the world who are okay with that "approach". i've witnessed enough on this channel and the other. i guess sweden got the wrong dice roll on whether those people were in government | 20:45 |
| LjL | or maybe it's more complicated than that | 20:45 |
| LjL | it says Conte will "speak urgently" to Parliament tomorrow morning | 20:46 |
| LjL | not really sure if that's out of the ordinary | 20:46 |
| nixonix | maybe when people were under risk of dying or get a serious medical condition, then it was revealed that most of the victims are old people and those with certain previous conditions, they are just happy to close their eyes and not think about it too much, when "its just old people" | 20:47 |
| rmonten[m] | Sure but wasn't the goal to keep enough ICU beds available for everyone who needs treatment? | 20:48 |
| rmonten[m] | Including those over 65? | 20:49 |
| LjL | or maybe just to keep enough ICU beds available for pretending that the situation is under control | 20:49 |
| LjL | one thing is what is stated publicly and another is what is told to hospitals and nurses somewhat less formally... | 20:50 |
| nixonix | depends who you ask. my hope is to get ass less victims as reasonably possible, to wait for better treatments (that will come), and vaccination (chances look very good imo, even for risk groups at fall or early winter) | 20:50 |
| nixonix | goal ^ | 20:50 |
| pwr22 | Huh, I've been able to install and setup the UK contact tracing app | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC sees 'striking' decline in vaccinations; workers at reopened Ford plant test positive → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 20:51 |
| pwr22 | I thought it wasn't released yet? | 20:51 |
| LjL | pwr22, and you did it without someone pointing a gun to your head? :o | 20:52 |
| LjL | nixonix, i think rmonten[m] meant the swedish government's goals. but i'm saying one thing is the publicly stated ones and another is the real ones :\ | 20:53 |
| rmonten[m] | nixonix: that's not the only goal right, you need to somewhat balance it against economy (otherwise we may all starve in a couple months/years anyway), so I guess where I thought we'd drawn the line was at ICU capacity. | 20:53 |
| nixonix | one positive that will follow, research for vaccinations, treatments, immunology etc will progress a lot during this period | 20:53 |
| pwr22 | I'd ideally have a decentralised solution but right now I think public health trumps this level of privacy | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +30 cases (now 931), +2 deaths (now 55) since a day ago — Ohio, US: +445 cases (now 29436), +57 deaths (now 1781) since 20 hours ago — France: +766 cases (now 181575), +110 deaths (now 28132) since 15 hours ago — New Jersey, US: +183 cases (now 151506), +155 deaths (now 10786) since 51 minutes ago | 20:54 |
| rmonten[m] | LjL: yeah you're probably right.. not pretty | 20:54 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "pwr22, and you did it without so"> I actually installed it some time ago when it was saying isle of man only but couldn't set it up then | 20:54 |
| LjL | pwr22, well of course it's up to you but the UK stands out as a little less private than even the less private of the EU countries | 20:55 |
| LjL | although i haven't had a close look at the apps, only saw comparisons | 20:55 |
| pwr22 | They've said today that the contract tracing app won't be ready until after June, so July or later | 20:56 |
| pwr22 | And they've also started a decentralised implementation | 20:56 |
| nixonix | remembering how this started in different countries, early action was crucial. now if we open bars etc, do it at the same time in different countries (so no chance to see first, what were the experiences from early adopters), there might be new outbreaking phase of epidemic, that will be costly (compared to early action type measures) | 20:56 |
| pwr22 | So I suspect the one I have installed now will be deprecated | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:50 UTC: Health policy: Coronavirus test delays ‘could jeopardise UK tracing system’ → https://is.gd/UTX6B6 | 20:58 |
| nixonix | with early action (not very early, but we were behind in cases compared to most of europe), in finland we didnt have to close barbershops, part of gyms were open, all the shops were open, not real lockdowns except between highest prevalence area and other country couple of weeks and was then removed. sounds great compared to many countries? | 20:59 |
| LjL | nixonix, yeah, i'm not feeling great about restaurants cafes bars pubs and such reopening, at all | 21:00 |
| LjL | you can't wear masks in those places | 21:00 |
| nixonix | almost like in sweden, but bars were closed. and schools and kinderkartens mostly but not for all kids (they opened them recently then, and bar openings are coming) | 21:00 |
| LjL | and you are supposed to respect distancing, but we all know you won't in practice | 21:01 |
| rmonten[m] | Yeah quite ideal | 21:01 |
| LjL | i expect we'll end up with on-off lockdowns | 21:01 |
| nixonix | btw, almost nobody uses masks either. because proper masks arent available, and R_eff was around 0.7 anyways | 21:01 |
| rmonten[m] | How? Just natural social distancing? | 21:03 |
| LjL | surely we've all seen pictures of Finns standing "together" at a bus stop | 21:04 |
| rmonten[m] | Oh, during soft lockdown | 21:04 |
| LjL | no, during anything | 21:04 |
| nixonix | yeah, more work from home naturally. no large events (not really smaller either, but i think the limit was 50 ppl). people are more careful | 21:04 |
| LjL | https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1481&bih=754&ei=Pn_FXp3GJoSwkwWHnKkY&q=finns+bus+stop&oq=finns+bus+stop | 21:05 |
| LjL | now these pictures look like nothing special, but they were puzzling to many non-Finns pre-COVID :P | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Apple and Google release contact tracing technology, NYC vaccinations fall → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 21:05 |
| nixonix | its mostly because of snow. when its raining, ppl will pack under bus stop shelter. but maybe we like a bit more distance generally than most | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +27 deaths (now 339) since 20 minutes ago — Germany: +3 cases (now 178344), +3 deaths (now 8230) since 20 minutes ago — World: +18 cases (now 5.1 million), +36 deaths (now 327588) since 20 minutes ago — Costa Rica: +15 cases (now 897) since 23 hours ago | 21:09 |
| rmonten[m] | Worked out great then! | 21:09 |
| nixonix | interesting results of school reopenings, do kids infect each others and adults, or not. but hard to say for sure when theres those bar reopeings at the same time, bummer | 21:09 |
| LjL | nixonix, why because of snow? | 21:10 |
| LjL | https://www.facebook.com/veryFinnishproblems/videos/2237109036312405/ ← tv commercial, apparently | 21:10 |
| nixonix | not all the spots are good to stand and move a bit around to keep warm. there might be too much snow, ice, slush etc. you find a good spot to wait for a bus | 21:10 |
| LjL | ah | 21:11 |
| LjL | when it snows here public transport just stop working mostly :P | 21:11 |
| LjL | we don't even have snow every year | 21:11 |
| nixonix | but sure theres also those snowless pics where ppl are apart, if theres enough room around. and the second person leaves a gap, then the others might follow the suit, without thinking | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:59 UTC: State leaders criticize Trump’s ‘outrageous’ threat to withhold funding over vote by mail – live: Trump threatened to withhold funding from Michigan and Nevada as the states move to expand vote by mail Black Americans dying of Covid-19 at three times rate of white people Trump threatens to cut states’ [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/K36dQ4 | 21:13 |
| LjL | when i wait for a bus the important thing for me is i'm somewhere i can keep looking at the waiting time sign :P | 21:13 |
| LjL | which is mostly placebo | 21:13 |
| LjL | but anyway | 21:13 |
| nixonix | almost snowless at southern coast this year. in helsinki i counted around 13 periods of thin snow layer, and every time it melted in 0.5-3 days. never seen or heard of year like this at helsinki area at least, and i think there havent been one in over 100 years of stats keeping | 21:16 |
| nixonix | we should look at other countries, and copy those measures that were the most effective vs cost. then reopenings, not at the same time, so other countries and areas could see what are the consequences | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NHS England official cautions against buying antibody tests → https://is.gd/RvWb83 | 21:20 |
| nixonix | but now they are acting like flockfish, if we make a serious mistake, so did all the others, so we wont be blaimed as much | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Wisconsin, US: +528 cases (now 13413), +14 deaths (now 481) since 23 hours ago — US: +598 cases (now 1.6 million), +14 deaths (now 94181) since 22 minutes ago — World: +652 cases (now 5.1 million), +14 deaths (now 327602) since 22 minutes ago — Guinea-Bissau: +51 cases (now 1089) since 21 hours ago | 21:24 |
| LjL | nixonix, i think Europe largely "raced" to reopen at the same time to avoid their economy being left behind | 21:25 |
| LjL | i think multiple countries (at least Italy and Spain) started reopening on May 4, and others very close to that | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:17 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to restart tourism from 15 June: Country plans to allow international flights from 1 July; Spain makes face coverings compulsory; global cases hit 4.9m → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 21:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Apple and Google release contact tracing technology, NYC vaccinations fall → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 21:34 |
| Arsanerit | 2020-05-20 19:31:11##covid-19: < _abc_> Arsanerit: hand wash masks in a bowl. Put in some soapy water or liquid dishwashing soap, pour on hot water from kettle. Leave there until you can touch the water, wring, rinse, put up to dry. | 21:43 |
| Arsanerit | Is that good enough? I've read so many conflicting opinions. | 21:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: INOVIO's COVID-19 DNA Vaccine INO-4800 Demonstrates Robust Neutralizing Antibody and T Cell Immune Responses in Preclinical Models (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gnee1w | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:49 UTC: New coronavirus cases across the world jump by the most ever in a single day, WHO says: Almost two-thirds of the Covid-19 cases were reported in just four countries, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. → https://is.gd/zSD12P | 21:55 |
| Arsanerit | "preclinical"? | 21:56 |
| LjL | %title https://blog.google/documents/72/Exposure_Notifications_Service_Additional_Terms.pdf | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the URL could not be loaded | 21:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: in vitro - prior to human tests | 21:59 |
| Arsanerit | tinwhiskers: Aha, thanks. | 22:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, guess it could be in animal trials as well | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Apple and Google release contact tracing technology, NYC vaccinations fall → https://is.gd/aysaDc | 22:02 |
| LjL | Google and Apple are managing to 1) force every country to use their technology, or else their app just won't work decently enough (can you say anything about that pwr22? since the UK is trying anyway); 2) largely showing themselves as defenders of privacy by setting hard and fast rules on what the apps using their API can do; 3) effectively preventing a fully transparent and open-source solution since the implementation of their API is closed source | 22:04 |
| Arsanerit | If the API is published can't other developers write other implementations? | 22:07 |
| LjL | Arsanerit: sure, they will just need to also make their own smartphones with OS's that allow running their implementations | 22:08 |
| LjL | Some people may even buy them | 22:08 |
| LjL | The API exists because the thing it does cannot be done by normal apps | 22:08 |
| LjL | As someone with an Android phone that doesn't run the proprietary Google Play Services I will be unable to use these contact tracing apps since the API will come as part of that | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | It can't be side-loaded? | 22:10 |
| LjL | This point is that I don't want to have it. Why would I sideload it? It's a giant piece of spying technology. They have made the contact tracing private, but the rest of what they do isn't very private at all | 22:12 |
| Arsanerit | I thought there was a DP-3T implementation on github that was respecting privacy. | 22:13 |
| LjL | Last I checked DP-3T had also caved in and changed their code to just use the API | 22:13 |
| LjL | Anyway even if someone made another open source API that I can download... then the actual government apps won't work with that, they'll work with the official one only... Google Play Services is signed, and apps check the signature | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | I'm confused. I thought an API was just a contract, and anybody could implement backends and frontends. | 22:15 |
| Arsanerit | At https://github.com/DP-3T there are several things called backend | 22:15 |
| LjL | That's what an API is, I may be using the term loosely since I'm also talking about the implementation... But you nay have missed years of progressive lockin by having apps check for signatures before they use the API's methods | 22:17 |
| LjL | Any contact tracing app published in the Play Store must respect Google's rules and if you don't publish it there of course you will barely have any users | 22:18 |
| LjL | Arsanerit: https://github.com/DP-3T/dp3t-sdk-android/blob/master-alpha/dp3t-sdk/sdk/src/main/java/org/dpppt/android/sdk/DP3T.java line 30 | 22:22 |
| LjL | They are invoking GMS | 22:22 |
| LjL | That's Google's proprietary stuff | 22:23 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: I know next to nothing about smartphone technology. | 22:24 |
| Arsanerit | bbl | 22:24 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "Google and Apple are managing to"> LjL I'm not sure but I think political / public pressure has become quite anti our app | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:22 UTC: State leaders criticize Trump’s ‘outrageous’ threat to withhold funding over vote by mail – live: Trump threatened to withhold funding from Michigan and Nevada as the states move to expand vote by mail Black Americans dying of Covid-19 at three times rate of white people Trump threatens to cut states’ [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/K36dQ4 | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:32 UTC: New coronavirus cases across the world jump by the most ever in a single day, WHO says: Almost two-thirds of the Covid-19 cases were reported in just four countries, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. → https://is.gd/zSD12P | 22:38 |
| tinwhiskers | every few days that news has been true. | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | thanks CNBC. great reporting. | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:40 UTC: (news): Trump has 'legal responsibility' to wear coronavirus mask during Ford factory visit, Michigan attorney general says → https://is.gd/8t3s35 | 22:45 |
| iz | but when the president does it, it's not illegal :b | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:54 UTC: Supreme court blocks House Democrats access to Mueller grand jury materials – live: Trump threatened to withhold funding from Michigan and Nevada as the states move to expand vote by mail Black Americans dying of Covid-19 at three times rate of white people Trump threatens to cut states’ funding over false claims [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/K36dQ4 | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 20:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: NHS England official cautions against buying antibody tests → https://is.gd/RvWb83 | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +5875 cases (now 1.6 million), +439 deaths (now 94620) since an hour ago — Peru: +4537 cases (now 104020), +110 deaths (now 3024) since a day ago — Illinois, US: +2388 cases (now 100418), +146 deaths (now 4525) since 20 hours ago — Massachusetts, US: +1045 cases (now 88970), +128 deaths (now 6066) since 23 hours ago | 23:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:10 UTC: New coronavirus cases across the world jump by the most ever in a single day, WHO says: Almost two-thirds of the Covid-19 cases were reported in just four countries, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. → https://is.gd/zSD12P | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:11 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to restart tourism from 15 June: Country plans to allow international flights from 1 July; Spain makes face coverings compulsory; global cases hit 4.9m → https://is.gd/VmFjMp | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:21 UTC: (news): Trump has 'legal responsibility' to wear coronavirus mask during Ford factory visit, Michigan attorney general says → https://is.gd/8t3s35 | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:25 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus news: pressure mounts on Queensland to open borders – latest updates → https://is.gd/gKSDZZ | 23:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:37 UTC: (news): Trump has 'legal responsibility' to wear coronavirus mask during Ford factory visit, Michigan attorney general says → https://is.gd/8t3s35 | 23:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:42 UTC: Supreme court blocks House Democrats' access to Mueller grand jury materials – live: Trump threatened to withhold funding from Michigan and Nevada as the states move to expand vote by mail Black Americans dying of Covid-19 at three times rate of white people Trump threatens to cut states’ funding over false [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/K36dQ4 | 23:49 |
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