| ryouma | i wish my oximeter just stored say 24-48h of data and displayed it with a few buttons. that would be the most future-proof. | 00:00 |
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| ryouma | at some point int he uture i will try to get one that does that. failing that then to linux. | 00:01 |
| ryouma | bip? | 00:01 |
| LjL | ecks, you're correct, the concentrator i have can only do 90% at 1L, up from that, it goes down from that. 30% at 9L, which, if true, is still more than most other things on Amazon (30% at 6L). i am aware of these limitations but devices with the ability to do 90% at 6L are minimum three times the price, and require a medical prescription | 00:02 |
| LjL | ryouma, Amazfit Bip is a simple smartwatch | 00:02 |
| ryouma | nice displauy there | 00:02 |
| bin_bash | LjL: i know youre in italy so it's different, but there are lots of medical-grade ones on ebay | 00:02 |
| ecks | I wonder how much 6 L/min at 30% really helps | 00:03 |
| ecks | guess it doesn't hurt, at least | 00:03 |
| nixonix | im seeing Contec, and some Beurers | 00:03 |
| withorwithout | yes, what is the objective? | 00:03 |
| LjL | bin_bash, at the time when i bought mine, there weren't any of the ones that are easily findable now on Amazon. they disappeared completely for a few weeks. | 00:03 |
| withorwithout | it doesn't help at all for covid, imho | 00:03 |
| bin_bash | yeah these are like pre-owned ones that someone got wiht a prescription or were sold with a prescription and are not on the secondary market | 00:03 |
| ryouma | it is encouraging that they are available now | 00:03 |
| bin_bash | but not on amazon in the US | 00:04 |
| LjL | nixonix, Beurer is generally an upper grade brand compared to the nonames, but who knows, in the end maybe they use the same hardware. a Beurer pulse oximeter would typically cost much more than a Contec, but maybe right now these differences are becoming less pronounced since they're all expensive. | 00:04 |
| LjL | ecks, withorwithout: i was in the state of mind where i was terrified my parents, especially my dad who is 75 and a smoker, would almost certainly get it, and probably quite soon. whatever i could get my hands on, especially after seeing they all disappeared from the market before i even knew (reinforcing the feeling that others knew something i don't, although i recognize this may be a self-fulfilling prophecy), seemed better than nothing. it looked like | 00:06 |
| LjL | hospitals would most likely triage my dad and refuse ventilation. | 00:06 |
| nixonix | they are there in us amazon too. check oximeter with "i" | 00:06 |
| ryouma | i think this is mine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000ORVXPA | 00:07 |
| withorwithout | LjL: refusing ventilation is actually a good thing, at this point. | 00:07 |
| LjL | ecks, withorwithout: i think 80% or so oxygen at 2L is something people with mild or moderate COPD could reasonably set on their oxygen. it is obviously not a miracle treatment if you have life-threatening COVID, but the problem is even if your COVID wouldn't be life-threatening, it wasn't clear whether you'd get treated *at all* | 00:07 |
| withorwithout | MDs are avoiding ventilators at all costs | 00:07 |
| LjL | withorwithout, well, they weren't when i bought this | 00:08 |
| LjL | it's all well and good to teach me hindsight now | 00:08 |
| LjL | me and all of Lombardy's doctors | 00:08 |
| LjL | we were freaked the fuck out, it's that simple | 00:08 |
| withorwithout | and those who do get ventilator would probably die, in 80% or so of the cases, and that 20% is not really because of the ventilator per se | 00:08 |
| ecks | yeah COPD patients don't get more than 1-2 L/min anyway because there is a risk of hypercapnia, so the concentrators don't need to be taht efficient | 00:08 |
| withorwithout | LjL: yes, that was a mistake in Italy | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +801 cases (now 19131), +30 deaths (now 682) since a day ago — New Jersey, US: +94 cases (now 154339), +1 deaths (now 10986) since an hour ago — World: +908 cases (now 5.3 million), +31 deaths (now 338899) since 22 minutes ago — US: +99 cases (now 1.6 million), +1 deaths (now 97539) since 22 minutes ago | 00:09 |
| withorwithout | they were putting people in ventilators and effectively killing them with a higher rate | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CDC at 21:55 UTC: CDC Releases Recommendations for Communities of Faith: Across America, states and localities are experiencing different stages of the COVID-19 pandemic. Many state and local officials have determined to begin moving gradually and strategically toward reopening their regions. Today, CDC published guidance to help prevent [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/yJtqEF | 00:09 |
| LjL | withorwithout, but one thing is being told "a ventilator may do more harm than good, we'll put him on this good oxygen machine and monitor him closely", another is "stay home and pray and don't call again" | 00:10 |
| LjL | there are *still* reports of the latter happening, so imagine back at peak days | 00:10 |
| ryouma | hypercapnia risk above 2lpm -- i'd better look at that. i was prescribed 2-3lpm overnight. i found by accident that if i had a lot of nausea, like from gastroenteritis, like 6lpm via cannula was helpful (no specific anti-nause drug works for me except that). | 00:11 |
| withorwithout | I see, yet the concentrator would just prolongue the agony in the best case, if you need a hospital and don't get one, you are as good as dead, regardless of having your own fancy concentratorn, imho | 00:11 |
| ecks | ryouma, you have COPD? | 00:11 |
| ryouma | no | 00:12 |
| ecks | then you don't need to worry about hypercapnia | 00:12 |
| ryouma | oh good | 00:12 |
| withorwithout | also high pressure concentrators could also do harm in some cases, this MD from the TWIV talked about this some weeks ago | 00:12 |
| ryouma | (or, at least, not diagnosed withcopd) | 00:12 |
| ecks | heh | 00:12 |
| ryouma | withorwithout: you mean teh really high flow through special nasal thing? | 00:13 |
| withorwithout | yes | 00:13 |
| withorwithout | depending on how high, of course | 00:13 |
| withorwithout | on basically only experts/MDs know how high it should be, so yeah, I don't think people getting high-end concentrators and using them as treatment for covid can lead to anything good, tbh | 00:14 |
| ecks | high-flow nasal cannulas can create a PEEP that could potentially cause damage just like invasive ventilation | 00:15 |
| ryouma | i am living in an extremely high dust and mold environment for many years. i hope not copd. | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:02 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump demands churches, synagogues and mosques reopen 'right now': President threatens to override governors if they don’t comply Man seen jumping the fence at the White House Biden draws criticism for saying voters who back Trump ‘ain’t black’ Pictures show Trump wearing mask after Ford [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/h7Oikn | 00:16 |
| LjL | <withorwithout> also high pressure concentrators could also do harm in some cases, this MD from the TWIV talked about this some weeks ago ← even 9L is not going to be high pressure with my concentrator i believe, because yes in theory that pressure is there, but it's just blowing air into my nose, if i'm breathing out, the pressure will effectively be zero... if it *plugged* my nose it would be another matter | 00:23 |
| LjL | anyway i also think i'll never breathe deep enough to get that 9L all in, hence making more sense to me to set it at 2L with higher actual concentration of oxygen (hopefully) | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 22:04 UTC: worldnews: Coronavirus vaccine in China produces neutralizing antibodies in early-stage trial → https://is.gd/261LOV | 00:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 targets cortical neurons of 3D human brain organoids and shows neurodegeneration-like effects (81 votes) | https://redd.it/goarth | 00:24 |
| ecks | yeah I don't think 9 L/min is anywhere near to generating an extrinsic PEEP | 00:24 |
| ryouma | why is it bad for copd | 00:25 |
| ecks | it's not the flow itself that's bad for COPD patients, but giving them too much oxygen will lead to carbon dioxide retention | 00:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:25 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/GHwDoq | 00:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:39 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump demands churches, synagogues and mosques reopen 'right now': President threatens to override governors if they don’t comply Man seen jumping the fence at the White House Biden draws criticism for saying voters who back Trump ‘ain’t black’ Pictures show Trump wearing mask after Ford [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/h7Oikn | 00:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet at 00:00 UTC: [Perspectives] Stereotype threat: Among the disturbing statistics to have emerged during the COVID-19 pandemic has been the disproportionate impact in terms of death and severe illness on ethnic minorities in the UK and the USA. On April 7, 2020, it was reported that in the US city of Chicago, where the black [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UDZdN5 | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +718 cases (now 10649), +14 deaths (now 433) since 6 hours ago — Brazil: +11821 cases (now 330890), +507 deaths (now 21048) since 2 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +237 cases (now 11662), +4 deaths (now 147) since 22 hours ago — Colorado, US: +296 cases (now 23487), +14 deaths (now 1324) since a day ago | 01:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A majority of Americans say they won’t go to the gym or restaurants despite states’ new efforts to reopen the economy, a new national poll shows (10179 votes) | https://redd.it/gokm4t | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Idaho, US: +61 cases (now 2595), +2 deaths (now 79) since 23 hours ago — US: +182 cases (now 1.6 million), +2 deaths (now 97610) since 20 minutes ago — World: +182 cases (now 5.3 million), +2 deaths (now 339506) since 20 minutes ago — Texas, US: +65 cases (now 54453) since 20 minutes ago | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: outcry in Australia over $60bn ‘error’ as WHO puts South America at centre of pandemic: Madrid and Barcelona to ease lockdown as Spain’s death toll stays under 100 again; 660,000 people forced to flee homes during crisis despite UN global ceasefire call → https://is.gd/I9nOWR | 02:23 |
| ryouma | that as gets me every time | 02:26 |
| withorwithout | yes, I hate it | 02:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:18 UTC: South America at centre of pandemic, says WHO – as it happened: Madrid and Barcelona to ease lockdown as Spain’s death toll stays under 100 again; 660,000 people forced to flee homes during crisis despite UN global ceasefire call → https://is.gd/I9nOWR | 02:38 |
| peterx[m] | %cases us | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | peterx[m]: In US, there have been 1.6 million confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 97640 deaths (5.9% of cases) as of 18 minutes ago. 10.6 million tests were performed (15.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 19.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 00:45 UTC: Covid2019: Americans take dim view of raiding Social Security to cover Covid-19 costs → https://is.gd/Ks4vDA | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil has the second-highest number of cases in the world, overtaking Russia → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 03:13 |
| withorwithout | considering how Brazil is heavily undertested it could be much higher | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +392 cases (now 5579), +15 deaths (now 230) since 23 hours ago — Guatemala: +231 cases (now 2743), +3 deaths (now 51) since a day ago — Mexico: +2960 cases (now 62527), +479 deaths (now 6989) since a day ago — Georgia (US), US: +264 cases (now 41482), +23 deaths (now 1808) since 8 hours ago | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 01:07 UTC: worldnews: Strikes and protests by Brazilian nurses amid explosion of COVID-19 cases → https://is.gd/g1KH0b | 03:27 |
| ytlyv9 | 12:51 pm ET — Hospitalized Covid-19 patients who took hydroxychloroquine had a 34% higher risk of death than th | 03:28 |
| ytlyv9 | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/22/coronavirus-live-updates.html | 03:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Haiti: +78 cases (now 812) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +1492 cases (now 332382), +68 deaths (now 21116) since 2 hours ago — World: +1593 cases (now 5.3 million), +70 deaths (now 340134) since 23 minutes ago | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil has the second-highest number of cases in the world, overtaking Russia → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 03:48 |
| Monuta | hi | 03:54 |
| Monuta | 554 ppl online and nobody is talking? are you all asleep or what? | 03:54 |
| LjL | uh | 03:56 |
| LjL | i'm not asleep, but probably should be | 03:56 |
| LjL | but also, what brings you to make the implication? | 03:56 |
| LjL | many if not most people on IRC use bouncers, and this channel is also full of Matrix bridged users | 03:56 |
| LjL | people don't leave the channel just because they aren't talking | 03:56 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Matthew McConaughey delivers 110K face masks to hospitals in rural Texas (10305 votes) | https://redd.it/gorp06 | 04:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Honduras: +273 cases (now 3477), +11 deaths (now 167) since 23 hours ago — World: +595 cases (now 5.3 million), +11 deaths (now 340145) since 59 minutes ago — South Korea: +23 cases (now 11165), +2 deaths (now 266) since 23 hours ago — Kazakhstan: +322 cases (now 7919) since 22 hours ago | 04:24 |
| withorwithout | Monuta: but you are right, this channel is hardly active per user | 04:26 |
| withorwithout | it used to be better in that sense before, I guess the hype of the virus and some users leaving affected it | 04:26 |
| LjL | withorwithout, some people may have stopped caring but to be honest even while still caring i've realized i've reached, or am in and out of, a threshold where i am just refractory to the topic | 04:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 02:03 UTC: worldnews: 77 Nobel Laureates Denounce Trump Officials For Pulling Coronavirus Research Grant → https://is.gd/kkUBim | 04:30 |
| LjL | i suppose it's something that happens naturally after obsessions have run their course, no matter the practical importance | 04:31 |
| withorwithout | yes, it gets tiresome, I guess | 04:32 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Remdesivir for the Treatment of Covid-19 — Preliminary Report (82 votes) | https://redd.it/got5fg | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:45 UTC: Donald Trump press secretary inadvertently reveals president's bank details: Kayleigh McEnany appears to accidentally show private details while displaying Trump donation to fight coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/DKY1sj | 04:59 |
| LjL | "Similarly, more than a fifth (21 per cent) believe the virus is a hoax, and 62 per cent agree to some extent that the virus is man-made." | 05:07 |
| LjL | uh, well, the virus *is* man-made. that is the whole issue we have with it | 05:07 |
| LjL | our cells makes billions of copies of it | 05:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ontario, Canada: +490 cases (now 26085), +23 deaths (now 2129) since a day ago — Quebec, Canada: +646 cases (now 46150), +65 deaths (now 3866) since a day ago — Alberta, Canada: +32 cases (now 6800), +2 deaths (now 134) since a day ago — British Columbia, Canada: +28 cases (now 2507), +3 deaths (now 155) since a day ago | 05:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Metropolitana, Chile: +3709 cases (now 48350), +35 deaths (now 423) since a day ago — Ceara, Brazil: +3160 cases (now 34573), +90 deaths (now 2251) since a day ago — Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany: +98 cases (now 34310), +8 deaths (now 1692) since a day ago — Amapa, Brazil: +467 cases (now 5655), +6 deaths (now 157) since a day ago | 05:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil has the second-highest number of cases in the world, overtaking Russia → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 05:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 03:44 UTC: worldnews: Pastor Who Claimed To Cure Coronavirus With Faith Dies Of Coronavirus → https://is.gd/kET0vY | 06:02 |
| ryouma | too bad news is like "we have to have a story" and not like "what is the most significant story for those who are makign decisions about this or that or predicting this or that" | 06:13 |
| ryouma | so sometimes you get stories that are critical and you should not miss them. and osmetimes you get clickbait. | 06:14 |
| ryouma | but the role of media is supposed to be filtering | 06:14 |
| ryouma | and adding context | 06:14 |
| ryouma | um, i asked an offloop question on the other channel | 06:20 |
| ryouma | idk if it is only for this channel | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 04:05 UTC: Coronavirus: Half of Fox News viewers think Bill Gates is using pandemic to microchip them, survey suggests → https://is.gd/kJRvo0 | 06:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Convalescent plasma treatment of severe COVID-19: A matched control study (84 votes) | https://redd.it/goqdq0 | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bhutan: +3 cases (now 24) since 7 days ago — Pakistan: +1743 cases (now 52437), +34 deaths (now 1101) since a day ago — World: +2157 cases (now 5.3 million), +36 deaths (now 340184) since an hour ago — India: +355 cases (now 125149), +2 deaths (now 3728) since 8 hours ago | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil has the second-highest number of cases in the world, overtaking Russia → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 06:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 05:05 UTC: worldnews: Chinese state media has called Australia "A giant kangaroo that acts like a dog to the US" after Australia called for an independent investigation into the origins of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/LIw6U1 | 07:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:11 UTC: Coronavirus live news: China says it has no new cases as Australia death toll rises to 102: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May, US president says worship ‘essential’ and orders governors to act, Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid; blame game in Australia over jobkeeper scheme mistake → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 05:18 UTC: Coronavirus: POTUS says he ‘tested positively toward negative’ for coronavirus → https://is.gd/8hRfw4 | 07:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:33 UTC: Coronavirus live news: China says it has no new cases as Australia death toll rises to 102: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May, US president says worship ‘essential’ and orders governors to act, Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid; blame game in Australia over jobkeeper scheme mistake → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 07:48 |
| ap4lmtree | hi | 08:00 |
| ap4lmtree | when is the fall season or month or time that covid-19 is expected to hit again | 08:01 |
| ap4lmtree | is it late novemnber? | 08:01 |
| tinwhiskers | ap4lmtree: it's not as simple as that. Everywhere will be different and it will depend on what management is in place and a bit of luck. There is no precise date we can give. | 08:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Also, seasons are unlikely to have a great deal of effect on it (unlike the flu). | 08:31 |
| ap4lmtree | okay, i live in los angeles county | 08:31 |
| ap4lmtree | can you tell me when i should expect to see another surge | 08:31 |
| ap4lmtree | what month | 08:31 |
| tinwhiskers | No, I can't | 08:32 |
| tinwhiskers | It will also depend how people behave over the coming months and that's really not predictable. | 08:35 |
| ap4lmtree | if you can't predict the future, then what kind of fortune teller are you? You ought to lose your fortune teller license. | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil has the second-highest number of cases in the world, overtaking Russia → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 08:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Armenia: +374 cases (now 6302), +3 deaths (now 77) since 22 hours ago — Iowa, US: +259 cases (now 16767), +8 deaths (now 441) since 8 hours ago — Ukraine: +432 cases (now 20580), +17 deaths (now 605) since 22 hours ago — Bulgaria: +36 cases (now 2408), +1 deaths (now 126) since 22 hours ago | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:57 UTC: Coronavirus live news: China says it has no new cases as Australia death toll rises to 102: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May, US president says worship ‘essential’ and orders governors to act, Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid; blame game in Australia over jobkeeper scheme mistake → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Estonia: +14 cases (now 1821) since 23 hours ago — Russia: +9434 cases (now 335882), +139 deaths (now 3388) since 23 hours ago — World: +10239 cases (now 5.3 million), +141 deaths (now 340360) since an hour ago — Lithuania: +12 cases (now 1616), +2 deaths (now 63) since 23 hours ago | 10:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia's total cases surpass 335,000, Patrick Ewing hospitalized → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 10:16 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases US | 10:35 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 1,645,353 cases as of 2020-05-23 08:13:00 UTC. Of these 1,144,470 (69.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 403,228 (24.5%) have definitely recovered and 97,655 (5.9%) have died. | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Afghanistan: +782 cases (now 9998), +11 deaths (now 216) since a day ago — Poland: +219 cases (now 20838), +8 deaths (now 990) since 16 hours ago — Philippines: +180 cases (now 13777), +6 deaths (now 863) since a day ago — World: +1182 cases (now 5.3 million), +25 deaths (now 340385) since 33 minutes ago | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: China says it has no new cases as Australia death toll rises to 102: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May, US president says worship ‘essential’ and orders governors to act, Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid; blame game in Australia over jobkeeper scheme mistake → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +1873 cases (now 32078), +20 deaths (now 452) since 23 hours ago — World: +2001 cases (now 5.3 million), +20 deaths (now 340405) since 24 minutes ago — Malaysia: +48 cases (now 7185) since a day ago | 10:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Vitamin-D and COVID-19: do deficient risk a poorer outcome? (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gorx2x | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:50 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson under pressure to sack Dominic Cummings - latest updates: Pressure for prime minister’s top adviser to go follows report he breached lockdown rules in March. Follow the latest developments as they happen → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Oman: +463 cases (now 7257) since 12 hours ago — Indonesia: +949 cases (now 21745), +25 deaths (now 1351) since a day ago — Austria: +50 cases (now 16486), +4 deaths (now 639) since a day ago — World: +1524 cases (now 5.3 million), +29 deaths (now 340434) since 48 minutes ago | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:54 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 12:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Syria: +11 cases (now 70) since 16 hours ago — Belgium: +299 cases (now 56810), +25 deaths (now 9237) since a day ago — World: +340 cases (now 5.3 million), +29 deaths (now 340463) since 40 minutes ago — Dem. Rep. Congo: +80 cases (now 2025) since 21 hours ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 10:14 UTC: Global COVID Cases For 23MAY20: OP Note: The chart seen below and in the sidebar of both the Old and New Design formats has reached the size where the information exceeds display parameters of the sidebars. Rather than provide an incomplete report the 'Recoveries' column has been removed from the sidebar charts. The [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xSHx2v | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Madagascar: +40 cases (now 488) since 23 hours ago — Belarus: +941 cases (now 35244), +4 deaths (now 194) since 23 hours ago — World: +1187 cases (now 5.3 million), +5 deaths (now 340468) since 22 minutes ago — Switzerland: +18 cases (now 30725), +1 deaths (now 1904) since 21 hours ago | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:24 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson under pressure to sack Dominic Cummings - latest updates: Pressure for prime minister’s top adviser to go follows report he breached lockdown rules in March. Follow the latest developments as they happen → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 12:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +360 cases (now 8774) since 16 hours ago — World: +379 cases (now 5.3 million) since 17 minutes ago | 12:36 |
| Perfec7 | wow | 12:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 10:36 UTC: nCoV: Officers 'wary' as spit attacks rise in pandemic | 23MAY20 → https://is.gd/Jq5KUq | 12:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 10:38 UTC: nCoV: Canada is reopening without knowing where Canadians are getting COVID-19 | 22MAY20 → https://is.gd/Yi1Eck | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ethiopia: +61 cases (now 494) since 18 hours ago — Iran: +1869 cases (now 133521), +59 deaths (now 7359) since a day ago — World: +1966 cases (now 5.3 million), +59 deaths (now 340527) since 25 minutes ago — Nepal: +36 cases (now 584) since 6 hours ago | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 10:48 UTC: nCoV: Covid 19 coronavirus: Why cases are growing in Russia, Brazil and India | 23MAY20 → https://is.gd/rjC8QR | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia's total cases surpass 335,000, Patrick Ewing hospitalized → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 12:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:55 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: No 10 accused of trying to cover up Cummings lockdown breach - latest updates → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 13:19 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Low testosterone levels predict clinical adverse outcomes in SARS‐CoV‐2 pneumonia patients (80 votes) | https://redd.it/goix3h | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:38 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 13:48 |
| withorwithout | "... Early analysis by WHO suggests that Africa’s lower mortality rate may be the result of demography and other possible factors. Africa is the youngest continent demographically... " | 13:57 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: A previously uncharacterized gene in SARS-CoV-2 illuminates the functional dynamics and evolutionary origins of the COVID-19 pandemic (84 votes) | https://redd.it/gp0m8b | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: No 10 accused of trying to cover up Cummings lockdown breach - latest updates → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 14:02 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Carnegie Mellon University researchers have discovered that much of the discussion doubting the pandemic and anti-stay-at-home orders is being fueled by misinformation campaigns that use convincing bots. Of the top 50 influential retweeters, 82% are bots, of the top 1,000 retweeters, 62% are bots. (10004 votes) | https://redd.it/gosh6e | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uzbekistan: +53 cases (now 3089) since 8 hours ago — Kuwait: +900 cases (now 20464), +10 deaths (now 148) since a day ago — Sweden: +379 cases (now 33188), +67 deaths (now 3992) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +1555 cases (now 333937), +29 deaths (now 21145) since 11 hours ago | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:27 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:48 UTC: (news): Russia's total coronavirus cases surpass 335,000, Patrick Ewing hospitalized → https://is.gd/8kOFO2 | 14:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: The U.S. has had the equivalent of 12 plane crashes a day for two months, but little sense of grief (10009 votes) | https://redd.it/govg1u | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:54 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Protests break out in Spain against lockdowns; US cases top 1.6 million → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:12 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: No 10 accused of trying to cover up Cummings lockdown breach - latest updates → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 15:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Protests break out in Spain against lockdowns; US cases top 1.6 million → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:29 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 13:45 UTC: Covid2019: Missouri hairstylist with coronavirus worked while symptomatic - CNN → https://is.gd/iliexN | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Protests break out in Spain against lockdowns; US cases top 1.6 million → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 15:54 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Revised advisory on the use of Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as prophylaxis for SARS-CoV-2 infection (in supersession of previous advisory dated 23rd March, 2020) - Indian Council for Medical Research (85 votes) | https://redd.it/gp2upp | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Palestine: +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago — Qatar: +1732 cases (now 42213), +2 deaths (now 21) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +2442 cases (now 70161), +15 deaths (now 379) since a day ago — Virginia, US: +799 cases (now 35749), +23 deaths (now 1159) since 23 hours ago | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 14:05 UTC: Covid2019: China reports no new coronavirus cases for first time since pandemic began → https://is.gd/9UH7zt | 16:08 |
| metreo | %cases world | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: In World, there have been 5.3 million confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 340840 deaths (6.4% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 54.0 million tests were performed (9.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 13.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 16:12 |
| dunnp | wow big lancet study (almost 100k people) showed that chloroquinine and hydroxychloroquinine increased risk of death in covid-19 patients by almost 40% | 16:12 |
| dunnp | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 14:07 UTC: Covid2019: Philippines reports six coronavirus deaths, 180 more cases → https://is.gd/XluTOt | 16:15 |
| PlanckWalk | So long as it wasn't a retrospec ... ah crap. Looks like it was. | 16:18 |
| PlanckWalk | Well, at least it made some sort of attempt to weed through some of the many confounding factors :-/ | 16:19 |
| PlanckWalk | It's pretty weak evidence | 16:20 |
| dunnp | no, it isn't weak.. | 16:20 |
| PlanckWalk | Even a small group RCT is better than this. | 16:21 |
| dunnp | because it is a retrospective? | 16:21 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes | 16:21 |
| dunnp | it is 100k people | 16:21 |
| PlanckWalk | Retrospectives have massive confounding variable problems | 16:21 |
| PlanckWalk | Sample size doesn't help with those at all. | 16:22 |
| dunnp | yes | 16:22 |
| dunnp | what | 16:22 |
| PlanckWalk | In many cases a large sample can make the noise worse. | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:15 UTC: Digital health stocks are surging because 'suddenly now we're in the future': Livongo, Teladoc and One Medical are some of the digital health stocks on a tear as the coronavirus forces patients to seek medical care from home. → https://is.gd/WdHwam | 16:22 |
| dunnp | what | 16:22 |
| PlanckWalk | Since (like this study) it just introduces more sources of variation that can't be accounted for. | 16:23 |
| dunnp | nono large samples wash out the variation | 16:23 |
| PlanckWalk | They don't. | 16:23 |
| PlanckWalk | These variations are not random. | 16:23 |
| PlanckWalk | Well, "not random" is perhaps the wrong word. Not independently random of the treatment being tested. | 16:26 |
| dunnp | you mean because selection for treatment was not random? | 16:29 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes | 16:29 |
| dunnp | hmm | 16:29 |
| dunnp | but these were based on patients who started the treatment right away | 16:29 |
| dunnp | not based on some change in status | 16:30 |
| PlanckWalk | If people selected for treatment were 60% more likely to die without treatment, and 40% more actually died, then the treatment was actually beneficial but it looks terrible in a retrospective study. | 16:30 |
| PlanckWalk | It might be unlikely that the bias was that large in reality, but we just don't know. | 16:30 |
| PlanckWalk | That's what makes it weak evidence for being harmful. | 16:31 |
| PlanckWalk | It's better than no evidence either way, and certainly isn't evidence for beign beneficial. | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Protests break out in Spain against lockdowns; US cases top 1.6 million → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 16:36 |
| dunnp | they have an ananylsis of unmeasured cofounders in S8 fwiw | 16:39 |
| dunnp | I'd say this is more than weak but ok | 16:40 |
| dunnp | I certainly wouldn't waste money on more RCTs of this | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 14:40 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Coronavirus, "in Francia primi casi già a novembre" → https://is.gd/iOWdd6 | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Alabama leaders urge public to adhere to safety guidelines as cases increase → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:51 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Cummings says he was 'doing the right thing' in travelling to Durham - latest updates → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 15:01 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: The first human trial of a COVID-19 vaccine finds that it is safe, well-tolerated, and induces a rapid immune response: “These results represent an important milestone.” → https://is.gd/CPZIjW | 17:04 |
| Spec | nice | 17:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Half of Fox News viewers think Bill Gates is using pandemic to microchip them, survey suggests (10200 votes) | https://redd.it/goyfew | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tajikistan: +187 cases (now 2738) since 22 hours ago — Chile: +3536 cases (now 65393), +43 deaths (now 673) since 23 hours ago — Maryland, US: +1071 cases (now 45495), +36 deaths (now 2243) since a day ago — US: +1747 cases (now 1.6 million), +36 deaths (now 97732) since an hour ago | 17:07 |
| Spec | hahaha, half of fox viewers | 17:08 |
| Spec | lol | 17:08 |
| de-facto | hence they have asked all of them! | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:05 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 17:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 RNA concentrations in primary municipal sewage sludge as a leading indicator of COVID-19 outbreak dynamics (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gp2b3d | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan completes 1.4 million tests in one day, Alabama urges public to adhere to health guidelines → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Grant Shapps leads daily briefing amid calls for No 10 to sack Dominic Cummings - latest updates → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 17:25 |
| withorwithout | PlanckWalk: they selected candidates that have better chances for survival, Derek Lowe has a post about this, it's not weak, imho | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:35 UTC: Coronavirus UK map: the latest deaths and confirmed cases in each region: Latest figures from public health authorities on the spread of Covid-19 in the United Kingdom. Find out how many confirmed cases have been reported in each of England’s local authorities → https://is.gd/gseGpz | 17:47 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Placentas from COVID-19-positive pregnant women show injury (85 votes) | https://redd.it/gp4sc8 | 17:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nevada, US: +295 cases (now 7696) since 16 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2959 cases (now 257154), +282 deaths (now 36675) since a day ago — Moldova: +147 cases (now 6994), +4 deaths (now 242) since 3 hours ago — Maine, US: +65 cases (now 2013), +1 deaths (now 77) since 23 hours ago | 17:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan completes 1.4 million tests in one day, Alabama urges public to adhere to health guidelines → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:54 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Minnesota, US: +840 cases (now 19845), +1 deaths (now 852) since 23 hours ago — Iraq: +308 cases (now 4272), +5 deaths (now 152) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +4910 cases (now 339687), +364 deaths (now 21579) since 2 hours ago — Indiana, US: +492 cases (now 30901), +23 deaths (now 1964) since 23 hours ago | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 16:00 UTC: Science: The antiviral remdesivir shortens COVID-19 recovery times, study shows → https://is.gd/bJcoxI | 18:08 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 257154 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 36675 deaths (14.3% of cases) as of 22 minutes ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (11.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:10 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Grant Shapps faces questions over Cummings lockdown breach: Pressure for prime minister’s top adviser to go follows report he breached lockdown rules in March. Follow the latest developments as they happen → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 16:10 UTC: nCoV: Early Coronavirus Immunity Data Fuel Promise for a Vaccine → https://is.gd/jl5Vl5 | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:20 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump heads to golf course as death toll nears 100,000: President is at his golf club in Virginia, pool confirms Trump urges governors to open places of worship Summer is here – but are we inviting a disastrous second wave? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump ‘cure’ increases deaths, global study [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nURnPo | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan completes 1.4 million tests in one day, Alabama urges public to adhere to health guidelines → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for North Carolina, US: +754 cases (now 22864), +3 deaths (now 778) since 15 hours ago — Rhode Island, US: +216 cases (now 13952), +18 deaths (now 597) since a day ago — Mississippi, US: +381 cases (now 13005), +20 deaths (now 616) since a day ago — Italy: +669 cases (now 229327), +119 deaths (now 32735) since a day ago | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports 119 new deaths, Wuhan completes 1.4 million tests in one day → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:37 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Grant Shapps faces questions over Cummings lockdown breach: Pressure for prime minister’s top adviser to go follows report he breached lockdown rules in March. Follow the latest developments as they happen → https://is.gd/fpFkyJ | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports 119 new deaths, Wuhan completes 1.4 million tests in one day → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Central African Rep.: +73 cases (now 552), +1 deaths (now 1) since 22 hours ago — New York, US: +880 cases (now 368816), +29 deaths (now 29038) since 15 hours ago — Delaware, US: +161 cases (now 8690), +2 deaths (now 324) since a day ago — Arizona, US: +431 cases (now 16039), +24 deaths (now 799) since a day ago | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:05 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump heads to golf course as death toll nears 100,000: President is at his golf club in Virginia, pool confirms Trump urges governors to open places of worship Summer is here – but are we inviting a disastrous second wave? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump ‘cure’ increases deaths, global study [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nURnPo | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zimbabwe: +5 cases (now 56) since a day ago — New Jersey, US: +297 cases (now 154646), +95 deaths (now 11081) since 18 hours ago — Ecuador: +430 cases (now 36258), +40 deaths (now 3096) since a day ago — Egypt: +727 cases (now 16513), +28 deaths (now 735) since a day ago | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:21 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eswatini: +13 cases (now 238) since a day ago — World: +462 cases (now 5.4 million), +2 deaths (now 342485) since 18 minutes ago — Paraguay: +12 cases (now 850) since a day ago — Rwanda: +4 cases (now 325) since 23 hours ago | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports 119 new deaths, Wuhan completes 1.4 million tests in one day → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 19:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: National parks could be this summer's go-to vacation spots, NY deaths fall to lowest level since March → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:57 UTC: Why scientists are changing their minds and disagreeing during the coronavirus pandemic: In our culture, we often hold politicians, corporate executives and other leaders accountable for the consistency of their positions. But in the scientific world, thinking is expected to evolve based on new evidence — and that's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UudzKO | 20:00 |
| BongWater | hi all | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:13 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump heads to golf course as death toll nears 100,000: President is at his golf club in Virginia, pool confirms Trump urges governors to open places of worship Summer is here – but are we inviting a disastrous second wave? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump ‘cure’ increases deaths, global study [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nURnPo | 20:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: What are the rules on caring for children during lockdown? → https://is.gd/p2am9E | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:30 UTC: In private, Tories were dismayed. In public, they rallied to save Dominic Cummings: Pressure is growing inside and outside parliament for the resignation of the No 10 chief adviser after claims that he flouted lockdown rules → https://is.gd/jWyigU | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Yemen: +3 cases (now 212), +6 deaths (now 39) since a day ago — New York, US: +764 cases (now 369580), +52 deaths (now 29090) since an hour ago — Ohio, US: +543 cases (now 31408), +77 deaths (now 1956) since 17 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +433 cases (now 14422), +2 deaths (now 458) since a day ago | 20:37 |
| BongWater | how is everyone today? | 20:43 |
| BongWater | glad to hear | 20:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:44 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump heads to golf course as death toll nears 100,000: President is at his golf club in Virginia, pool confirms Trump urges governors to open places of worship Summer is here – but are we inviting a disastrous second wave? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump ‘cure’ increases deaths, global study [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nURnPo | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +46 cases (now 1015), +1 deaths (now 63) since 21 hours ago — United Arab Emirates: +812 cases (now 28704), +3 deaths (now 244) since a day ago — World: +1324 cases (now 5.4 million), +25 deaths (now 342724) since 18 minutes ago — Spain: +466 cases (now 282370) since an hour ago | 20:52 |
| nixonix | would be nice if offloop plotted more doubling time curves. i think its 10 max or something | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 18:45 UTC: Covid2019: Anthony Fauci: 'Now Is The Time ... To Care Selflessly About One Another' : Coronavirus Live Updates : NPR → https://is.gd/z39ssN | 21:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:54 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Covid-19 'taking different path in Africa', says WHO: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 21:10 |
| foo | Does anyone think we'll see a "spit test"-type immediate tool, like a pregnancy test, to determine if someone is shedding the virus/contagious? eg. I imagine before spending a week with a friend or something, we each do this "test" or something to create a higher sense of certainty | 21:16 |
| nixonix | yeah, some day https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7172500/ | 21:20 |
| nixonix | %title | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: Rapid Detection of COVID-19 Causative Virus (SARS-CoV-2) in Human Nasopharyngeal Swab Specimens Using Field-Effect Transistor-Based Biosensor | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Utah, US: +203 cases (now 8260), +4 deaths (now 97) since 22 hours ago — Wisconsin, US: +481 cases (now 14877), +11 deaths (now 507) since 23 hours ago — US: +747 cases (now 1.7 million), +29 deaths (now 98272) since 33 minutes ago — France: +250 cases (now 182469), +43 deaths (now 28332) since 22 hours ago | 21:22 |
| nixonix | even from air: | 21:24 |
| nixonix | %title https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/117659/developing-a-covid-19-biosensor-for-faster-diagnostics-and-environmental-monitoring/ | 21:24 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com: Developing a COVID-19 biosensor for environmental monitoring | 21:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: National parks could be this summer's go-to vacation spots, NY deaths fall to lowest level since March → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 21:24 |
| foo | nixonix: thanks! I wonder how many days we are away from that future | 21:30 |
| nixonix | i thought we had flying cars by 2000 | 21:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Isn't there a Tesla in orbit around Mars? | 21:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, orbit around the sun | 21:33 |
| nixonix | falcon heavy synchronized landing was the first sign, that we might be in the future now | 21:35 |
| iz | man, stuff like that makes you think how crazy aliens must think we are if they came to check things out | 21:36 |
| iz | "idgi, why do these humans drive convertable cars in space around the sun?" | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +1218 cases (now 21343), +10 deaths (now 407) since a day ago — Illinois, US: +2352 cases (now 107796), +75 deaths (now 4790) since 23 hours ago — US: +3223 cases (now 1.7 million), +140 deaths (now 98412) since 19 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +452 cases (now 54365), +65 deaths (now 5223) since a day ago | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:29 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump heads to golf course as death toll nears 100,000: President is at his golf club in Virginia, pool confirms Trump urges governors to open places of worship Summer is here – but are we inviting a disastrous second wave? Hydroxychloroquine: Trump ‘cure’ increases deaths, global study [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nURnPo | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:38 UTC: Why scientists are changing their minds and disagreeing during the coronavirus pandemic: In our culture, we often hold politicians, corporate executives and other leaders accountable for the consistency of their positions. But in the scientific world, thinking is expected to evolve based on new evidence — and that's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UudzKO | 21:46 |
| tinwhiskers | nixonix: oh yeah, synchronised landing is such a thing of beauty to watch. amazing! So 4 days until first human launch now? | 21:48 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: New technology can detect anti-virus antibody in 20 minutes (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gp4ql7 | 21:49 |
| nixonix | i was started the stream a bit before it, and thought i was watching an animation | 21:49 |
| nixonix | -"was" | 21:49 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 21:49 |
| tinwhiskers | it was far too perfect | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:39 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Spain to reopen to tourists in July: China reports no cases on mainland for 22 May as US president says worship ‘essential’ and Muslims worldwide prepare for Eid → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:00 UTC: Trump tees up controversy as he plays golf in a pandemic: President visits own golf club in Virginia as US coronavirus death toll approaches 100,000 → https://is.gd/CGdfMO | 22:07 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.scs.cmu.edu/news/nearly-half-twitter-accounts-discussing-%E2%80%98reopening-america%E2%80%99-may-be-bots | 22:13 |
| Butterfly^ | Title: Nearly Half Of The Twitter Accounts Discussing ‘Reopening America’ May Be Bots | Carnegie Mellon Sch ... [trunc] | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: National parks could be this summer's go-to vacation spots, NY deaths fall to lowest level since March → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 22:14 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: US critics of stay-at-home orders tied to fossil fuel funding (10156 votes) | https://redd.it/gp6ecw | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:17 UTC: Global report: Muslims face curfews ahead of Eid amid Covid-19 crisis: Pandemic subdues Ramadan festivities as Taliban declares ceasefire; Spain and Greece to welcome tourists → https://is.gd/weaPpr | 22:28 |
| ryouma | supposet his story is real. says similar to russia and china playbook. does this in principle translate to effectively a war, fought by sowing discord that allow virus to spread more and economy collapse in a target country? probalby a naive question as i am ignorant of political machinations. --- 13:13 <Butterfly^> Title: Nearly Half Of The Twitter Accounts Discussing ‘Reopening America’ May Be Bots | Carne | 22:37 |
| ryouma | gie Mellon Sch ... [trunc] | 22:37 |
| Butterfly^ | supposed* | 22:38 |
| Butterfly^ | it's a form of war | 22:39 |
| Butterfly^ | but who knows how many are actually ran by China or Russia? | 22:39 |
| Butterfly^ | a lot of republicans (including Trump), want to reopen the country ASAP, even if that means way more vocid or covid related deaths | 22:40 |
| Butterfly^ | who knows how many of such fake twitter bots are actually ran by people in america? | 22:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:30 UTC: Key cultural institutions under threat: ‘If this goes on much longer, it’s hard to imagine any theatre surviving’: National Theatre, RSC and Royal Opera House warn they are facing financial collapse without extra government assistance The National Theatre , the Royal Shakespeare Company and the Royal Opera [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ciP0H7 | 22:42 |
| ryouma | there is also domestic politics yes, but i just wanted to confirm taht the itnernational attack stuff is actually highly plausible | 22:43 |
| ryouma | in principle | 22:43 |
| ryouma | altohugh idk what effect the the elections ahve either | 22:44 |
| ryouma | dead voters... | 22:44 |
| Butterfly^ | the irony is that both current UK gov and US gov, both downplayed the virus way too long, calling it either a hoax, or thinking it'll "just pass" even though they both were infected later than Italy, and both current UK & US gov, have been voted in by mostly the older generation (the younger people are, the more likely they'll vote democrat, the older, the more likely they'll vote republican, i guess the | 22:46 |
| Butterfly^ | 50/50 point is around middle age (80yo being average life expectancy, let's say that's around 40yo)) | 22:46 |
| Butterfly^ | so by their own actions of downplaying the virus, not responding fast enough even though there was months of warning, is literally killing mostly their voter base, as corona kills mostly older people | 22:47 |
| SeanBedlam[m] | <Butterfly^ "the irony is that both current U"> https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-older-voters-turning-away-from-trump/ Recent data on this demographic difference. | 22:48 |
| Butterfly^ | and all those people who lost family members, partners, friends, colleagues, .... due to corona and the late response, are less likely to think the current gov did a great job, which adds another slide into more democrat votes i assume | 22:49 |
| ryouma | not only that but the uk policy is beginning to turn significantly ugly | 22:50 |
| ryouma | with their written triage policy changing from civilian to military and adding stuff. takeing into account essential service value to society economic value to society etc. | 22:50 |
| Butterfly^ | SeanBedlam[m] : polls show some information and the higher the polling group, the more accurate it'll likely be, i was just going by own analysis of the situation | 22:50 |
| ryouma | changing roughtly from* (the main point is the wording in their proposed policy) | 22:51 |
| Butterfly^ | it's not even about Trump, it's capitalism that's killing people in various countries | 22:51 |
| Butterfly^ | not even only* about Trump | 22:51 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/20/earlier-lockdown-could-have-prevented-three-quarters-uk-coronavirus/ | 22:52 |
| Butterfly^ | Earlier lockdown could have prevented three-quarters of UK coronavirus deaths, modelling suggests | 22:52 |
| Butterfly^ | Researchers say that if the UK had imposed lockdown seven days earlier, its death toll would be on a par with 8,000 in Germany | 22:52 |
| ryouma | idk about the uk, but int he us, it seems almost a case of theodicy | 22:52 |
| ryouma | that is, no matter what the feds do, it is good because it is their team | 22:52 |
| ryouma | (cf. robert altemeyer /the authoritarians/) | 22:52 |
| Butterfly^ | ryouma : what if you lose your partner? your parents? grandparents? maybe even your kids? your best friend? your most amazing colleague at work? your job? your healthcare?, or all of the above at once? It's going to impact election results, that's for sure | 22:53 |
| ryouma | and in the uk the whole thing about value to society is looking uncomfortably reminiscent of an earlier point in european history. and it has precedent over the past few years. they are already in trouble with a special rapporteur. | 22:54 |
| ryouma | Butterfly^: yeah | 22:54 |
| ryouma | but there is some amazing imperviousness though | 22:54 |
| Butterfly^ | UK still has brexit coming | 22:54 |
| ryouma | a certain person once said before electiont hat he could literally commit murder and still get elected | 22:54 |
| Butterfly^ | Brexit hasn't truly happened yet, yes, they're officially out of EU, and it cannot be cancelled anymore, but nothing has changed, the only thing that changed is that UK has no say in anything EU related anymore | 22:55 |
| ryouma | i.e. the idea of untouchability. but yes i agree reality has to set in at some point. | 22:55 |
| ryouma | will tehre be an election this time around? | 22:55 |
| Butterfly^ | but still has to follow EU laws, still has all EU trade deals it had with all countries out of EU (EU has the most FTA/trade deals in the world) | 22:55 |
| ryouma | if a second wave gets bad | 22:55 |
| Butterfly^ | Tories got an 80 seat majority (out of 650 seats), which is a big lead | 22:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Police contradict UK govt's claims that chief advisor was not contacted by officers: The UK government is facing calls to sack the prime minister’s chief advisor after reports he broke lockdown rules several times. Plus, Spain to welcome foreign visitors from July and restart football league [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 22:56 |
| Butterfly^ | election was 23rd of June 2019, they could be in power till June 2024 | 22:56 |
| Butterfly^ | unless the tory party starts rebelling against Boris himself | 22:56 |
| ryouma | i don't mean the uk. i was soeaing in more pessimistic terms. i.e. government structures breaking down. | 22:56 |
| Butterfly^ | and i do think that Tories should stay in charge for the full 5 years | 22:57 |
| Butterfly^ | they started this mess, they handled the mess very badly, the shit will hit the fan, in the next 2-3 years (whenever the transition period ends, which is likely January 2021 as BoJo doesn't want to extend the transition period), they have an 80 seat majority, let them ride it out, let them deal with whatever shit is coming, then wait for next election to see a drastic change in voting | 22:58 |
| Butterfly^ | overthrowing the government now and forcing new elections (which UK does on average every 1,5 years in the last 5 years it seems), is the worst thing they could do, for years/decades, the tories will say "we had a plan, we were going to make a success out of brexit, but Labour or LibDems ruined it" | 22:59 |
| Butterfly^ | ryouma : some countries are doing quite great actually, i don't see their gov structures get broken down, maybe some small changes, but some other countries, those who are more capitalistic based, seem to be cracking down more | 23:00 |
| Butterfly^ | or authoritarian govs | 23:00 |
| ryouma | yeah i am concerned about desperate actions by authoritarian leaders | 23:01 |
| Butterfly^ | i'm truly scared for americans | 23:01 |
| Butterfly^ | not for the people in gov, fuck them | 23:01 |
| Butterfly^ | but even people who voted them into office, don't deserve the shit that is about to come | 23:01 |
| ryouma | i am concerned about civil unrest also. where i live there are a lot of guns. and food banks are run by older folk and shuttign down. | 23:03 |
| Butterfly^ | can't blame a moron for being moronic, can't blame someone who's been brainwashed by fox news for believing those things, social brainwashing is a science, it's been used for 100's of years, but currently, computers are used to calculate the odds on how to best socially brainwash people, and the media is doing a great job at it | 23:03 |
| Butterfly^ | 40 million people in america alone lost their jobs | 23:03 |
| Butterfly^ | how many of those had their healthcare through their jobs? not just for themselves, but not rarely for their entire families | 23:04 |
| Butterfly^ | that could be 100 million people that lost healthcare coverage in just a few months | 23:04 |
| ryouma | even with coverage, nothing is covered in many cases | 23:04 |
| Butterfly^ | people have no income, no healthcare coverage, can't even see a psychiatrist or a doctor, psychosis and paranoia is brewing all over the world, .... in a country with right to bear arms | 23:04 |
| ryouma | and deliberaly fueled divisions | 23:05 |
| Butterfly^ | it's kinda like throwing a bunch of AK-47's into a mental institution, locking the doors, not giving them food for 4 days, and waiting to see what's going to happen | 23:05 |
| Butterfly^ | "land of the free", the slogan alone is social brainwashing, it's a big reason why so many people in america are protesting against lockdown or protesting against mask usage | 23:06 |
| Butterfly^ | American Wealthcare, in the land of the fee, seems like a more accurate slogan for america | 23:06 |
| Butterfly^ | ryouma : https://imgur.com/gallery/21MGqxD how many of these can you recognize in many countries? | 23:07 |
| Butterfly^ | these are war/gov tactics that have been used for 100's of years | 23:07 |
| Butterfly^ | seriously, if you got a little garden, start growing some vegetables | 23:08 |
| Butterfly^ | potatoes grow like weed, just cut a potato in 4, throw it in the ground, and a few months later, you got ~40 potatoes with a bit of luck | 23:09 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.livescience.com/10163-man-eating-potatoes-2-months.html Man Eating Nothing But Potatoes for 2 Months | 23:09 |
| Butterfly^ | #1 priority is always food | 23:09 |
| Butterfly^ | there's a saying "we're only 7 meals away from a civil war" or something along those lines | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:05 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK police contradict No 10 claims over lockdown warning: Durham police say they did contact PM’s top aide over alleged breach of lockdown. Spain to welcome foreign visitors from July and restart football league in early June → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 23:10 |
| Butterfly^ | someone who's single, living by himself, is less likely to cause trouble, but once a father or mother isn't able to feed their kids, things can get ugly fast | 23:11 |
| Arsanerit | any system where healthcare coverage is linked to employment is thoroughly broken | 23:11 |
| Butterfly^ | what if america gets a locusts plague in the next few months? | 23:11 |
| Butterfly^ | or some more flooding? hurricanes? | 23:12 |
| Butterfly^ | with all this less pollution in the air, very suddenly, a shock effect on nature, we don't really know what's going to happen | 23:12 |
| Arsanerit | (0) most expensive healthcare in the world (1) get sick (2) get fired (3) lose coverage (4) no healthcare despite years of paying the highest premiums in the world | 23:12 |
| ryouma | Arsanerit: correct | 23:12 |
| Butterfly^ | days are hotter (less pollution, more direct sunlight hitting earth), while nights get colder (no pollution blanket covering the cities to keep the warmth in) | 23:13 |
| ryouma | idk, i don't see that being a problem | 23:14 |
| Butterfly^ | some american made medication, is exported to various other countries, still at a profit (why even export at a loss?), while americans pay up to 10x the price for the same medicine? | 23:14 |
| Butterfly^ | and they pay 10x as much for healthcare insurance | 23:14 |
| Arsanerit | In Germany health insurance funds are asking if the government can please pay for the testing of people who aren't sick (but only connected to someone who has been tested positive) | 23:14 |
| Butterfly^ | americans are getting ripped off by pharma like absolute fucking madness | 23:14 |
| Butterfly^ | sad part is that lots of people have no clue | 23:15 |
| Arsanerit | as they're arguing that goes beyond their legal duty of care (individual healthcare) and is rather an epidemiological task, which they say should be funded directly by the federal government | 23:15 |
| Butterfly^ | iirc, US exports a bit under 50% of their medicine production, while it rakes in over 80% of the profits from americans | 23:15 |
| Butterfly^ | i'm off by a few percent i think, but not much | 23:16 |
| Arsanerit | Today I learned that the biggest exporter of chocolate in the world is Germany. | 23:17 |
| Butterfly^ | Arsanerit : Belgium makes the best Chocolate though :) | 23:17 |
| Butterfly^ | but it's a tiny country | 23:17 |
| Butterfly^ | Arsanerit : how about export / capita? | 23:17 |
| Butterfly^ | Arsanerit : did you know that Netherlands is the second biggest exporter of tomatoes in the world? US only the 9th ? While Netherlands doesn't really have the climate to grow tomatoes (yeah, like one growth / year), but what they do have, is a lot of knowledge in indoor growing, due to the fact that they have legal weed ships since 1958 | 23:18 |
| Butterfly^ | Below are the 15 countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of tomatoes during 2019. | 23:19 |
| Butterfly^ | Mexico: US$2.2 billion (24.1% of total exported tomatoes) | 23:19 |
| Butterfly^ | Netherlands: $2 billion (22%) | 23:19 |
| Butterfly^ | Spain: $1.1 billion (11.7%) | 23:19 |
| Butterfly^ | Morocco: $765.2 million (8.5%) | 23:19 |
| Butterfly^ | France: $381.5 million (4.3%) | 23:19 |
| Butterfly^ | #9 United States: $291.7 million (3.3%) | 23:19 |
| tinwhiskers | just testing... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext | 23:20 |
| Butterfly^ | Netherlands, 16 million people, US: 330 million people | 23:20 |
| Butterfly^ | 126 mil in Mexico | 23:21 |
| Butterfly^ | indoor farming is the future | 23:21 |
| Butterfly^ | aquaponics, closed system, grow vegetables and fruit, while also growing edible fish, no need to add nutrients at all if it's nicely balanced, fish poop is nutrients for the plants, plants filter the water for the fish, Tilapia is a fast growing edible fish, that doesn't care much about water conditions (temperatures, PH levels, ...) | 23:22 |
| Butterfly^ | these vertical farms, are also re-using 95% of their water | 23:22 |
| Butterfly^ | solar panels on the roof, maybe a windmill next to it, 99% of automated, completely air-tight, no need for pest control chemicals | 23:23 |
| Butterfly^ | you basically have big ass vertical farms that poop out fresh food and fish 24/7, all year round, no matter what climate you're in | 23:23 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.globalaginvesting.com/aerofarms-announces-42m-investment-build-worlds-largest-vertical-indoor-farm-rural-virginia/ | 23:24 |
| Butterfly^ | there vertical farms are popping up all over the world like mushrooms | 23:25 |
| Butterfly^ | these* | 23:25 |
| Butterfly^ | a room of 25 sq meter / 270 sq feet, vertical farm with aquaponics for edible fish growing too, could provide 80% of vegetables/fish a 3-4 person family needs on a yearly basis, and it'll give fresh vegetables every single day | 23:26 |
| Butterfly^ | you won't even need to refrigerate vegetables as much anymore, just harvest when you need it, you got a few days/weeks to choose when to harvest | 23:27 |
| Butterfly^ | a lot of leafy greens, if you cut them off not too short, they'll just grow back! | 23:27 |
| Butterfly^ | more and more people are setting up this kinda systems in their basement (stable temperature there all year round), or in a spare room in their house, if we already had this ready last year, in most houses, we could do an extreme lockdown, 6 weeks of nobody leaving their house basically, and it would've wiped out corona pretty much entirely | 23:29 |
| ketas | how do those waterleaves taste i wonder | 23:29 |
| Butterfly^ | i see a future where every big apartment building or skyscraper has one or a few floors of these aquaponics vertical farms set up, people would be able to get most of their food without leaving their own apartment or hosue | 23:30 |
| Butterfly^ | house* | 23:30 |
| Butterfly^ | same with houses, i got a 4 bedroom house, i only need 1 bedroom, i'm installing indoor farming in one bedroom (currently a smaller setup, but over time, i plan to use the entire room, and provide for 80% of my vegetable/fruit/fish needs all year round) | 23:32 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60htrqei_U0 This is FarmBot Genesis XL | 23:32 |
| Butterfly^ | this video is 3 years old | 23:32 |
| ketas | i would love winter tomatoes | 23:33 |
| Butterfly^ | it automatically plants seeds, takes out the weeds, waters each plant separately, cycles where each crop is grown to help with nutrition levels | 23:33 |
| ketas | but fucking price | 23:33 |
| Butterfly^ | we should put huge efforts into open sourcing this, and making this 25 sq meter / 270 sq feet vertical farms, that people can install in their house, basement, or a shed outdoors (basement is best, as it has a more stable temperature all year round, no matter if it's winter or summer) | 23:34 |
| Butterfly^ | ketas : Netherlands exports tomatoes in bare winter, cause they grow a lot indoors with growlights | 23:35 |
| ketas | and how do they taste like? | 23:36 |
| Butterfly^ | just like any other tomato | 23:36 |
| ketas | might as well remove taste buds | 23:36 |
| ketas | are you sure? | 23:36 |
| Butterfly^ | i bet you couldn't taste the difference between indoor and outdoor grown tomatoes in a blind test | 23:36 |
| Butterfly^ | indoor could actually even be better, as it's way more controlled, it doesn't rely on weather, rain, sunlight, ... | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: National parks could be next vacation spots, NY deaths fall to lowest level since March → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 23:38 |
| ketas | Butterfly^: if you compare with "farmed" outdoor tomatoes, then maybe no difference indeed? | 23:40 |
| Butterfly^ | ketas : i honestly think that indoor grown tomatoes can be better | 23:40 |
| Butterfly^ | outdoor growth is always reliant on weather, rain, drought, too much/too little sunlight/heat, ... | 23:41 |
| Butterfly^ | more use of pesticides needed | 23:41 |
| Butterfly^ | indoor growth barely ever uses pesticides, and if they do, a fraction of outdoor growth | 23:42 |
| Butterfly^ | and it grows faster, cause it always has the perfect growing conditions | 23:44 |
| Butterfly^ | in most places, you can grow 1 or 2 crops / year in summer | 23:45 |
| Butterfly^ | indoor growth can do 7-8 crops / year | 23:45 |
| ketas | what about pollination | 23:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: National parks may be next vacation spots, NY deaths fall to lowest level since March → https://is.gd/nVwHxZ | 23:45 |
| Butterfly^ | which pollination? | 23:45 |
| Butterfly^ | ketas : Netherlands had legal weedshops since 1958, they have a huge lot of knowledge on how to grow indoors | 23:49 |
| bin_bash | hothouse indoor tomatoes are the best | 23:51 |
| Butterfly^ | aquaponics is booming business, 10 years ago, there was barely any video on youtube on this subject, today, there's 100000's of videos on this, professional vertical aquaponic farms, people doing it at home, a huge lot of research, each year, the process only gets more perfected | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for California, US: +1517 cases (now 92294), +42 deaths (now 3750) since 3 hours ago — Uganda: +23 cases (now 198) since a day ago — Peru: +4056 cases (now 115754), +129 deaths (now 3373) since a day ago — Massachusetts, US: +773 cases (now 91662), +76 deaths (now 6304) since a day ago | 23:53 |
| Butterfly^ | if we put our minds to it, open source all our aquaponics designs, mass produce aquaponic sets for home installs (25 sq meter / 270 sq foot seems ideal for a 3-4 person family), it could become quite cheap (cheaper than buying your food in grocery stores every week, less food wastage, less traffic, less pollution, ...) | 23:58 |
| Butterfly^ | this is already happening, there are such designs that are being put out there, we just need to upscale it a bit and work together better to perfect the technology | 23:58 |
| Butterfly^ | every single house could have a room installed that basically poops out vegetables/fruit/fish on a daily basis, every day of the year | 23:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:49 UTC: Coronavirus live news: UK police contradict No 10 claims over lockdown warning: Durham police say they did contact PM’s top aide over alleged breach of lockdown. Spain to welcome foreign visitors from July and restart football league in early June → https://is.gd/aPCYAR | 23:59 |
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