| ryouma | LjL: you thought dental dams were a good idea. would this be of any use agaisnt aerosols? i suppose i breatht through nose, it would prevent them settling in mouth. | 00:06 |
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| LjL | ryouma, maybe to some extent, but that's not why i thought they're a good idea... | 00:07 |
| LjL | i don't think anybody has researched it, so saying it would help against COVID would be irresponsible of me. i mean, it's a barrier, of some sort, that's about all i can say :\ | 00:07 |
| nixonix | swedes had quite well known nuclear weapon program plan, but finns also had much less known (and mostly just initial plans) | 00:08 |
| SilverBlaze | I don't know it is stopped | 00:09 |
| nixonix | so there might have been confusion, what country i meant above (finland) | 00:09 |
| ryouma | LjL: so it was mostly to prevent old mercury fillings frmo being chipped off during an extraction and going down your throat and so on? stuff has gone down my throat indeed especially becuase i have to lie horizontally, but covid is my concern. | 00:10 |
| ryouma | (don't trust dentist; i said i swallowed someting he said oh just natural part of your teeth -- except teeth had unnatural parts) | 00:11 |
| SilverBlaze | Where are you from guys? | 00:13 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: New York governor says failing to wear a mask is "disrespectful" to essential workers "who gave their life" (10476 votes) | https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-06-14-20-intl/h_aaed6e7a3e23cbebebc0e58c0f47acdb | https://redd.it/h8xyni | 00:15 |
| LjL | ryouma, well other things worse than fillings can end up being swallowed, and a dental dam also makes it easier for the dentist, creates a drier workspace, the dentist can do a better job overall with a dental dam | 00:19 |
| LjL | ryouma, about COVID, i would not rely on a dental dam to stay "safe" from it. but honestly i don't see much in terms of a choice for you... you probably need these teeth fixed, and i can't think of any way to make it like 95% safe | 00:20 |
| LjL | ryouma, if you manage to put filters into your nose, then *maybe* a dental dam can limit exposure through the mouth but there's still someone, potentially infected, working with their hands *in* your mouth and their face close to it, and the dental dam has a hole in it, where the work is being done, and that work involves opening up your teeth, maybe your gums... yeah | 00:21 |
| LjL | ryouma, also if you manage to put filters into your nose, keep in mind that for a *short* time, you may not be able to breathe through your mouth while the dental dam is being fitted (at least not easily). if this is going to be a problem, the dentist needs to know. | 00:22 |
| ryouma | my teeth are pretty much ok now as long as i take a single carbamazepine. my dentist was called and the office said i think he used to use them and might have one but not sure. so i am guessing this one will not use one. especially as he wants to fill all 5 cavities in one 2h appointment and it might taie him longer epecially if he never uses those. | 00:24 |
| ryouma | if i am lucky enough to get a dental dam i will just make sure my nares are open enough. i have polyps and stuffy nose but there is oxymetazoline. | 00:31 |
| ryouma | i have not been this terrified of a decision in my life. doctor says don't go if covid is your biggest concern because covid will kill you. so wait until the curve goes down. but unknown when that wil be. | 00:32 |
| LjL | ryouma, you need to take carbamazepine to avoid having teeth pain? | 00:40 |
| LjL | that's like... my mom almost died from taking that drug and not monitoring her sodium/potassium levels, just saying | 00:40 |
| ryouma | LjL: yeah | 00:40 |
| ryouma | i have not been being monitored for it at all | 00:41 |
| LjL | i think it's probably safer to get your teeth fixed, even with COVID risk, and stop taking carbamazepine, than to just keep taking it unmonitored, also considering i believe your general conditions are uhm less than ideal | 00:41 |
| ryouma | it is for trigeminal neuralgia, but it works for tooth pain even though it is not supposed to, so the guess is that the trigeminal neuralgia is triggered by teeth issues | 00:41 |
| LjL | yes my mom takes it for trigeminal neuralgia, i don't know if it's "not supposed to"... the trigeminal nerve is the nerve that connects to the gums, among other things | 00:42 |
| ryouma | duno if i can stop carbamazepine even if teeth are fixed. ruight now i am mostly at teh lowest dose, mneaning teeth are not that bad. | 00:42 |
| LjL | okay | 00:42 |
| ryouma | if i could that would be good | 00:42 |
| ryouma | the tooth has been ok on and off ever since december (when the somewhat incompetent hygienist "uncovered" the cavity in the deep cleaning) but i took precautionary doxycycline for a couple of courses and i take carbamazepine. so idk if i should just not go and risk having an emergency extraction at an even higher covid rate (at the cost of losing this dentist from his getting fed up with my cancelling), or in the b | 00:43 |
| ryouma | est case, a filling from a dentist i trust better. | 00:43 |
| ryouma | at some point i should ask my doctor about should i be getting blood tests for the carbamazepine | 00:43 |
| LjL | ryouma, my mom has switched to pregabalin after being taken to ER twice for likely carbamazepine-induced hypokalemia. pregabalin is a second-line drug for trigeminal neuralgia, meaning as i understand it that it's less effective on average, but better tolerated. so people who have trouble with carbamazepine may switch to it (there are other possibilities too) | 00:45 |
| LjL | so maybe discuss other possibilities as well, if getting periodic blood tests seems to be out of the question... | 00:45 |
| LjL | ryouma, generally speaking i think if a tooth gives you pain from hot and cold, or sometimes pressure, then it may just be that there's an uncovered cavity, or other "benign" things... but if the tooth gives you dull, strong pain "on and off", i.e. for a day you have it then for a week you don't or something like that, well, for me that was the sign of a root canal needing to happen (root canal, or extraction, one of those has to happen) | 00:47 |
| ryouma | hot cold pressure it is. but they can remain longer and make me think maybe this is worse. but then a course of doxycycline (wherher it had anything to do with it or not) and they got better. any dull strong pain is covered by higher dose of carbamazepine. | 00:49 |
| LjL | well if the carbamazepine just covers it but the cavity is really going deeper and deeper into the nerve, you're just buying yourself time, in a bit of a gambling way | 00:50 |
| ryouma | i'm a little confused on that point. i am told carbamazepine would not work for tooth pain (and indeed it it hits the root it does not work at all for it) but that it it is only for trigeminal neuralgia. so i concluded that the latter was cuased by "tooth issues" trigggering it. doctor said it was anatomically plausible. | 00:52 |
| LjL | ryouma, well i don't know about that, but *if* you're taking it for (or anyway, it has effect on) dull pain in the teeth, that sounds like "root nerve" pain | 00:53 |
| ryouma | so on that theory carbamazepine working seems to be a measure of tooth issues occurring and triggering somethign esle. what type of tooth issues i do ont know. | 00:53 |
| ryouma | huh | 00:53 |
| ryouma | (pregabalin for a different purpose gave me double vision for 3 weeks after i took the last dose. a not low dose but still not something i want to mess with. gave me mild euphoria too. also temporarily fixed my interstitial cystitis for a few days, suggesting to me that that is neuro in seomway.) | 00:53 |
| LjL | ryouma, well none of these drugs are fun to mess with... but carbamazepine definitely belongs to that category, so i just want you to know there are alternatives, and that blood should be checked while taking it | 00:54 |
| LjL | pregabalin or other things aren't innocuous at all, but their risks are less dependent on having to check your blood parameters periodically, afaik | 00:55 |
| ryouma | i have dull weak pain now in the tooth | 00:58 |
| ryouma | perhaps triggered by brushing | 00:58 |
| bin_bash | :( sorry you're having dental issues ryouma | 00:59 |
| ryouma | thanks. | 01:00 |
| ryouma | if i am unable to brush for a part of a day, it gets worse and doesn't get better, making me think maybe i just fed an infection, dunno | 01:03 |
| bin_bash | hmm yeah you might want to find a new dentist or go bck if you trust this one | 01:04 |
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| ryouma | n.b. i missed everything from this line due to freeze then crash <ryouma> if i am unable to brush for a part of a day, it gets worse and doesn't get better, making me think maybe i just fed an infection, dunno | 02:05 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: you also missed nothing here | 02:12 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. actually you did | 02:13 |
| tinwhiskers | <b*n_bash> hmm yeah you might want to find a new dentist or go bck if you trust this one | 02:13 |
| tinwhiskers | <L*L> Italy's Immuni app is officially active countrywide starting today https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.punto-informatico.it%2Fimmuni-italia%2F | 02:13 |
| ryouma | ah thanks | 02:20 |
| ryouma | teeth better now, so it's temporary after brushing earlier today. don't trust this dentist as he has broken promises and that got me in this position. but bird in hand in that he can supposedly leave the exam room unusued before me for 3h (dunno about hygiene otherwise) but i should perhaps be prepared to leave if i see anythign dodgy. everybody seems to wear surgical masks (dentist with facefhield), don't sociall | 02:25 |
| ryouma | y distance, didn't grab me from car at time of actual dentist coming, but at time of flunkychecking teeth briefly and then made towait indoors and try to put mask on with contaminated hands and wait an hour for dentist who looked at eeth again and didn't do the work his office repeatedly promised he would. but he can fill 5 cavities in one visit. that means more exposure however. | 02:25 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for French Guiana: +94 cases (now 1255), +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago — Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan: +40 cases (now 574), +1 deaths (now 11) since a day ago — Sucre, Colombia: +22 cases (now 196), +1 deaths (now 5) since a day ago — Chile: +6938 cases (now 174293), +222 deaths (now 3323) since a day ago | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 295889 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 41698 deaths (14.1% of cases) as of 15 minutes ago. 6.8 million tests were performed (4.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 03:18 |
| RadioActive | %cases world | 03:47 |
| Brainstorm | RadioActive: In World, there have been 8.0 million confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 435359 deaths (5.4% of cases) as of 44 minutes ago. 125.6 million tests were performed (6.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 10.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 03:47 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Rethinking the early intubation paradigm of COVID-19: time to change gears? (83 votes) | https://www.ceemjournal.org/m/journal/view.php?doi=10.15441/ceem.20.043 | https://redd.it/h924rf | 06:36 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases wuhan | 09:25 |
| CovBot1 | In Wuhan Repatriated, United States there have been a total of 3 cases as of 2020-06-15 06:54:00 UTC. Of these 3 (100.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died. | 09:25 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases china | 09:25 |
| CovBot1 | In China there have been a total of 83,181 cases as of 2020-06-15 06:54:00 UTC. Of these 177 (0.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 78,370 (94.2%) have definitely recovered and 4,634 (5.6%) have died. | 09:25 |
| blikjeham[m][m] | !cases netherlands | 09:35 |
| CovBot1 | In Netherlands there have been a total of 48,783 cases as of 2020-06-15 04:05:06 UTC. Of these 42,724 (87.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 6,059 (12.4%) have died. | 09:36 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases france | 09:38 |
| CovBot1 | In France there have been a total of 189,602 cases as of 2020-06-15 06:54:00 UTC. Of these 87,336 (46.1%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 72,859 (38.4%) have definitely recovered and 29,407 (15.5%) have died. | 09:39 |
| Haley[mt][m] | %cases france | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lodzkie, Poland: +239 cases (now 2406), +14 deaths (now 107) since 2 days ago — Choco, Colombia: +98 cases (now 680), +2 deaths (now 18) since 6 hours ago — Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan: +73 cases (now 647), +2 deaths (now 13) since 6 hours ago — Islamabad, Pakistan: +1406 cases (now 8569), +7 deaths (now 78) since 6 hours ago | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[mt][m]: In France, there have been 189602 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 29407 deaths (15.5% of cases) as of 45 minutes ago. 1.5 million tests were performed (12.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 09:39 |
| alex[m]6 | !cases Austria | 11:33 |
| CovBot1 | In Austria there have been a total of 17,135 cases as of 2020-06-15 09:17:00 UTC. Of these 391 (2.3%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 16,066 (93.8%) have definitely recovered and 678 (4.0%) have died. | 11:33 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: “Totally predictable”: State reopenings have backfired | Vox (10134 votes) | https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/6/12/21288009/new-covid-spikes-arizona-florida-carolinas-texas | https://redd.it/h96qfe | 12:14 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Low rate of daily smokers in patients with symptomatic COVID-19 (85 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.10.20127514v1 | https://redd.it/h9e79o | 15:16 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 67% of Jobless Workers Get More in Unemployment Than They Earned (10009 votes) | https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/15/67-of-jobless-workers-get-more-in-unemployment-tha.aspx | https://redd.it/h9e17p | 18:17 |
| bonz060 | %cases KE | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lisbon, Portugal: +1906 cases (now 15128), +26 deaths (now 429) since 2 days ago — Saudi Arabia: +4507 cases (now 132048), +39 deaths (now 1011) since 16 hours ago — Haryana, India: +514 cases (now 7722), +12 deaths (now 100) since 10 hours ago — Liberia: +40 cases (now 498), +1 deaths (now 33) since 16 hours ago | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | bonz060: In Kenya, there have been 3727 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 104 deaths (2.8% of cases) as of 2 minutes ago. 118701 tests were performed (3.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 7.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Kenya for time series data. | 19:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The serotonin reuptake inhibitor Fluoxetine inhibits SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro (83 votes) | https://www.researchhub.com/paper/817230/summary | https://redd.it/h9gcwh | 20:00 |
| LjL | fluoxetine? | 20:27 |
| LjL | that's... peculiar | 20:27 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Congo: +155 cases (now 883), +3 deaths (now 27) since 5 days ago — Yemen: +116 cases (now 844), +44 deaths (now 208) since 18 hours ago — Eritrea: +13 cases (now 109) since 18 hours ago — Suriname: +1 deaths (now 4) since 18 hours ago | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 296857 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 41736 deaths (14.1% of cases) as of an hour ago. 6.9 million tests were performed (4.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 21:18 |
| Jigsy | Can the UK hit 300,000? | 21:18 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Of course. Why not? | 21:26 |
| Arsanerit | cases or deaths? | 21:43 |
| Urchin[emacs] | %data croatia | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kansas, US: +339 cases (now 11471), +1 deaths (now 247) since 2 hours ago — Egypt: +1691 cases (now 46289), +97 deaths (now 1672) since 18 hours ago — Jharkhand, India: +30 cases (now 1778), +1 deaths (now 9) since 12 hours ago — Texas, US: +324 cases (now 89982), +1 deaths (now 1999) since 51 minutes ago | 21:56 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin[emacs]: In Croatia, there have been 2254 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 107 deaths (4.7% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 70254 tests were performed (3.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 21:56 |
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