| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: 498 more deaths in US as WHO urges countries to focus on contact tracing → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 00:04 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump says face masks are 'patriotic' after months of largely resisting wearing one: The tweet from the president appearing to endorse the use of face coverings in public follows months of mixed messages on whether he believed they were an essential tool to help prevent transmission of the disease. → https://is.gd/EYeFRV | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: White couple who pointed guns at St Louis protesters face criminal charges – live: Pair face felony weapons count and misdemeanor assault charge Trump plans to resume daily coronavirus briefings Administration plans to send federal agents to Chicago – report Republican leaders to meet Trump as talks begin on new relief bill [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/n3bIOg | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump says face masks are 'patriotic' after months of largely resisting wearing one: The tweet from the president appearing to endorse the use of face coverings in public follows months of mixed messages on whether he believed they were an essential tool to help prevent transmission of the disease. → https://is.gd/EYeFRV | 00:52 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: More Pfizer Phase I Results: Antibodies, Viral Mutations, and T Cells (80 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/07/20/more-pfizer-phase-i-results-antibodies-viral-mutations-and-t-cells | https://redd.it/hum5b6 | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: Inside the US‘ pandemic incompetence: It starts at the top → https://is.gd/8zzffu | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Health: Coronavirus Australia live update: jobkeeper to run at reduced rate to March as NSW anxiously awaits news of latest hotspots → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 01:40 |
| LjL | i'm feeling lazy, anybody wanna share the gist of what the preliminary findings on the Oxford vaccine are (i understand they're good news, but beyond that), and what's a good news article, aside from the actual study, i could slap into the links list? | 01:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Brazil's death toll reaches 80,000 – as it happened: Belgium sees 66% jump in new infections ; South Africa Covid-19 deaths pass 5,000; France reports up to 500 virus clusters . This blog is now closed. You can follow our new blog below → https://is.gd/GTNFo7 | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cramer calls U.S. response a ‘self-inflicted’ disaster; Gov. Cuomo scolds bar crowds → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Sydney residents 'strongly encouraged' to wear face masks as announcement due on jobkeeper – latest news → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 02:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: New Data on the Oxford/AZ Vaccine (80 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/07/20/new-data-on-the-oxford-az-vaccine | https://redd.it/hupfcl | 02:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO calls Oxford vaccine data 'good news;' Florida, Texas lead U.S. in daily new cases → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network *: Sobering comments from Derek Lowe: It would be fair to have the other two "big" contender - Moderna and Pfizer, if I understand things correctly - also represented here. For now this column provides a very qualitative comparison. → https://is.gd/Qm2gOl | 03:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 failure to infect or replicate in mosquitoes: an extreme challenge (81 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-68882-7#disqus_thread | https://redd.it/huk02q | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO calls Oxford vaccine data 'good news;' Florida, Texas lead U.S. in daily new cases → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria premier Dan Andrews reveals 374 new Covid-19 cases as PM holds jobkeeper press conference: Covid-19 welfare payment set to be extended but at lower rates. NSW records 13 new coronavirus cases as Sydney residents ‘strongly encouraged’ to wear face masks. Follow all the latest news [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 03:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO calls Oxford vaccine data 'good news;' Florida, Texas lead U.S. in daily new cases → https://is.gd/QJihOY | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): These millennials are transforming the multibillion-dollar health-care industry in the face of coronavirus → https://is.gd/jkh2wk | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: PM announces jobkeeper and jobseeker changes as Victoria records 374 new Covid-19 cases: Jobkeeper payment to be reduced to $1,200 a fortnight, and jobseeker reduced from $550 to $250. NSW records 13 new coronavirus cases as Sydney residents ‘strongly encouraged’ to wear face masks. Follow [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 04:23 |
| LjL | %title https://www.nearform.com/blog/ireland-donates-contact-tracing-app-to-linux-foundation/ | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nearform.com: Ireland donates its COVID Tracker app to Linux Foundation | 05:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Masks don't merely help to protect the wearer, they limit the amount of virus exposure, which in turn limits the severity of symptoms should the wearer get sick. In locations with near 100% masks wearing, if an outbreak occurred, 95% of those infected were asymptomatic. (10832 votes) | https://www.npr.org/2020/07/20/893227088/growing-body-of-evidence-suggests-masks-protect-those-wearing-them-too | https://re | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): EU leaders reach 'pivotal' deal on pandemic recovery fund after marathon summit → https://is.gd/He6uBI | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Grocery chain Winn-Dixie reverses policy, will require face masks in its stores → https://is.gd/afNYZY | 08:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: new jobkeeper and jobseeker changes as Victoria records 374 Covid-19 cases and NSW 13: Jobkeeper payment to be reduced to $1,200 a fortnight and jobseeker reduced from $550 to $250. NSW records 13 new coronavirus cases as Sydney residents ‘strongly encouraged’ to wear face masks. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: almost 900,000 public sector workers to get pay rise → https://is.gd/XGj3rH | 08:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Above-inflation pay rise for almost 900,000 public sector workers → https://is.gd/y7UQUS | 08:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: RBA governor says economic recovery will be 'bumpy' as Victoria records 374 Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Public sector pay: Coronavirus: almost 900,000 UK public sector workers to get pay rise, says Rishi Sunak → https://is.gd/HHnQLi | 09:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Above-inflation pay rise for almost 900,000 public sector workers → https://is.gd/y7UQUS | 09:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19 in Philippines: Police deployed to implement fresh lockdowns → https://is.gd/LHfvy8 | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): EU leaders reach 'pivotal' deal on pandemic recovery fund after marathon summit → https://is.gd/He6uBI | 09:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: almost 900,000 public sector workers to get pay rise → https://is.gd/XGj3rH | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: RBA governor says economic recovery will be 'bumpy' as Victoria records 374 Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO: WHO helps reshape hospitals as COVID-19 eases its grip: In a COVID-19 world, many hospitals need to rethink how they use their space. Italy is one of the first countries making adjustments as outpatient clinics and non-emergency services reopen. → https://is.gd/mHxII2 | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: almost 900,000 public sector workers to get pay rise → https://is.gd/XGj3rH | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: RBA governor says economic recovery will be 'bumpy' as Victoria records 374 Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/8oxMoV | 11:26 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Issues First Emergency Authorization for Sample Pooling in Diagnostic Testing (81 votes) | https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-first-emergency-authorization-sample-pooling-diagnostic | https://redd.it/hv0q4e | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Lessons from Ebola as DRC grapples with conflict, measles, and covid-19: The world’s second largest Ebola outbreak is over. An outbreak that began on 1 August 2018 ended on 25 June 2020 as the World Health Organization announced it had been 42 days since the last... → https://is.gd/twsYfs | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Politicians and Business Interests Pushed Health Officials Aside to Control Reopening. Then Cases Exploded.: by Lisa Song and Mollie Simon ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. Back in April, when public health officials were [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/m86lCa | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): EU leaders reach 'pivotal' deal on pandemic recovery fund after marathon summit → https://is.gd/He6uBI | 12:14 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Sero-prevalence study in Delhi shows that 23.48% population have prevalence of IgG antibodies (80 votes) | https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1640137 | https://redd.it/hv3fkn | 12:39 |
| ap4lmtree- | vaccine might protect for only 2 months ? | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Above-inflation pay rise for almost 900,000 public sector workers → https://is.gd/y7UQUS | 12:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Health: Genes May Influence COVID-19 Risk, New Studies Hint → https://is.gd/KZ6zvp | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): EU leaders reach 'pivotal' deal on pandemic recovery fund after marathon summit → https://is.gd/He6uBI | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus US: record hospitalisations in seven states as Trump resumes briefings – live updates: US passes 3.8m coronavirus cases as daily briefing to resume at 5pm Critics say Trump’s vow of federal officers in cities is election ploy White St Louis couple who pointed guns at protesters face charges Sign up to our First [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1sD9pJ | 13:22 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Thrombosis in Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19 in a New York City Health System (80 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768715 | https://redd.it/huyp4a | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: EU leaders reach $2 trillion deal on recovery fund after marathon summit: The EU has agreed to raise 750 billion euros from public markets to mitigate the economic shock from the pandemic. → https://is.gd/He6uBI | 13:41 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: National Smoking Rates Correlate Inversely with COVID-19 Mortality (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.12.20129825v1 | https://redd.it/hv1o9y | 13:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Above-inflation pay rise for almost 900,000 public sector workers → https://is.gd/y7UQUS | 13:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: EU leaders reach $2 trillion deal on recovery fund after marathon summit: The EU has agreed to raise 750 billion euros from public markets to mitigate the economic shock from the pandemic. → https://is.gd/He6uBI | 14:00 |
| gaston53 | what about oxford and astra zeneca vaccin ? looks good , isn't it ? | 14:03 |
| hirogen | spoke to a few ppl indirectly who had covid 1 both in early 50s 1 was overweight but she was sick for 2 months and can hardly walk, now needs an inhaler! the other looked wrinkled and tired and aged a lot, also her hair at the front fell out, this disease is strange for sure. dangerous for some | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Tuesday: Dow and Nasdaq futures pointed to about 1% gains at Tuesday's open as seemingly coronavirus-proof tech stocks rallied again. → https://is.gd/OR16l0 | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Quest reportedly warns it won't be able to meet testing demand in the fall → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Supermarkets: UK grocery sales rise at record pace amid Covid-19 outbreak → https://is.gd/7D4eh5 | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus vaccine: When will we have one?: About 200 groups of medical researchers around the world are working on a vaccine for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/u8NADH | 15:46 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Dramatic improvement (65% fewer deaths) in sickest Covid-19 patients through experimental treatment with corticosteroids (84 votes) | https://ard.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/20/annrheumdis-2020-218479 | https://redd.it/hv5w6y | 15:53 |
| Raye | Hey all | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Quest reportedly warns it won't be able to meet testing demand in the fall → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 16:05 |
| Raye | =[ | 16:06 |
| Raye | I left my job to stay home, due to the fear of getting covid | 16:06 |
| Raye | my grandmother got it and passed in april and my dad got it and passed in may | 16:06 |
| Raye | he was 61 and it was a horrible to knew what he was going through. but cant do anything to help | 16:07 |
| bin_bash | ;9 | 16:08 |
| Raye | called the ambulance for him, but wasnt able to see him once hes in the hospital. He was there for 3 weeks and die on the Vent | 16:08 |
| bin_bash | :( | 16:08 |
| bin_bash | i'm sorry to hear that Raye | 16:08 |
| Raye | thank you for your sympathy | 16:08 |
| Raye | there was nothing we could do, he was already in the head of the experts | 16:08 |
| Raye | unfortunately theres still people who think this is fake news | 16:09 |
| Raye | which really worries me =[ | 16:09 |
| bin_bash | yeah it makes me really angry | 16:11 |
| Raye | Theres these predictions from china and India that is saying the worst will be in December to march of 2021 | 16:13 |
| Raye | what we're seeing now isnt even the 2nd wave | 16:13 |
| LjL | i'm sorry Raye | 16:32 |
| LjL | i don't know about China, but India is on a highly exponential curve | 16:33 |
| LjL | i think it's hard to predict what will happen in December | 16:33 |
| LjL | the virus doesn't exactly seem to care much if it's hot or cold, see Arizona and Florida | 16:34 |
| LjL | but other viruses (influenza) do, and if they pile up on the COVID... well | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus US: record hospitalisations in seven states as Trump resumes briefings – live: US passes 3.8m coronavirus cases ACLU says Trump sent Cohen back to prison ‘for writing a book’ Critics say Trump’s vow of federal officers in cities is election ploy Sign up to our First Thing newsletter → https://is.gd/1sD9pJ | 16:34 |
| LjL | but i'm not sure the influenza season in China and India is around those months, i don't think so | 16:34 |
| Raye | the predictions are based of the planets alignments | 16:49 |
| Raye | so its been predicted that 2020 was going to be a really bad year for the whole world. | 16:50 |
| Raye | this was before covid | 16:50 |
| Raye | the prediction is also saying theres going to be alot of natural disasters like floods, fire, famine and riots | 16:52 |
| Raye | a war amounts the people | 16:52 |
| Raye | the only thing I didnt get was this prediction was off a really old calendar which uses the solar alignments in china | 16:54 |
| Raye | So im not sure if its predicting the whole world or just china | 16:54 |
| Raye | cause they predicted 24 things, and 17 already happened | 16:54 |
| Raye | the rest they said starts in September | 16:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Quest reportedly warns it won’t be able to meet testing demand in the fall → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Clare Gerada: We must not rush back to business as usual: As we come to the end of the first phase of the covid pandemic it is good to review how this period has affected us, our patients, and our organisations. I have been doing this with respect to my... → https://is.gd/956tBJ | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus live updates: Top Republican raises doubts on relief bill: The coronavirus has infected more than 14.7 million people around the world as of Tuesday, killing at least 610,560 people. → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 17:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pharma executives promise Congress they aren't cutting corners in fast tracking coronavirus vaccine → https://is.gd/jdGmHb | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Germany's coronavirus response is a master class in science communication: Germany stood out for its strong science communication. For months, its top podcast was 'Der Coronavirus,' which provided an update on the disease from a top virologist. → https://is.gd/Bipj6S | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus live updates: Top Republican raises doubts on relief bill: The coronavirus has infected more than 14.7 million people around the world as of Tuesday, killing at least 610,560 people. → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Germany's coronavirus response is a master class in science communication: Germany stood out for its strong science communication. For months, its top podcast was 'Der Coronavirus,' which provided an update on the disease from a top virologist. → https://is.gd/Bipj6S | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pharma executives promise Congress they aren't cutting corners in fast-tracking coronavirus vaccine → https://is.gd/jdGmHb | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Germany's coronavirus response is a master class in science communication: Germany stood out for its strong science communication. For months, its top podcast was 'Der Coronavirus,' which provided an update on the disease from a top virologist. → https://is.gd/Bipj6S | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. alleges two Chinese nationals stole vaccine secrets; Germany's response praised → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 19:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Disney theme park staff worry about Covid-19: 'I can't bring it back home (10034 votes) | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/21/disney-world-coronavirus-staff-worry-covid-19-reopening | https://redd.it/hv5521 | 19:24 |
| ReGiStRaS | hello. I heard the covid vaccine that is being researched is only useful for those who contracted covid before. Is not effective against those who had no history or being contracted the virus. Is this true? | 19:33 |
| bin_bash | which one? | 19:36 |
| darsie | I thought vaccines by definition prevent disease, even if you hadn't had them before. | 19:42 |
| ReGiStRaS | not sure which one but that's what i heard | 19:42 |
| darsie | A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine | 19:43 |
| qkall | ReGiStRaS: i think you're referring to the oxford 'vaccine' - i'm not 100% sure but i believe it isn't realyl a vac but more of a booster of sorts to train the body or soemthing | 19:45 |
| qkall | but i'm not known for memory so ... take that with a grain of salt. | 19:45 |
| bin_bash | darsie: that's not the case for all vaccines | 19:46 |
| bin_bash | dengue fever vaccine only works if you're already had dengue fever | 19:47 |
| darsie | k | 19:47 |
| tinwhiskers | That's not quite correct | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | It's only recommended if you've already had dengue sure to the risk of vaccine-related ADE. | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | *due to | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | If you get dengue a second time you often get ADE so if you've been infected once then you *really* want to get the vaccine since you already face the risk of ADE. | 19:51 |
| bin_bash | hm is that what it is? I remember reading about it awhile ago and that they just don't give it if you've not had it because of effectiveness and increased risk | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Germany's coronavirus response is a master class in science communication: Germany stood out for its strong science communication. For months, its top podcast was 'Der Coronavirus,' which provided an update on the disease from a top virologist. → https://is.gd/Bipj6S | 19:52 |
| bin_bash | found the article: https://www.statnews.com/2019/05/01/fda-dengue-vaccine-restrictions/ | 19:53 |
| bin_bash | so ya I mis-remembered | 19:53 |
| bin_bash | thx for the clarification tinwhiskers | 19:53 |
| tinwhiskers | No worries | 19:54 |
| bin_bash | i always appreciate being corrected as it's a chance to learn :D | 19:57 |
| bin_bash | i remember asking about the dengue fever vaccine last year when i got the typhoid and hep boosters for my trip to mexico, so it'd been more than a year heh | 19:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. Nice. | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELL'INTERNO - DECRETO 16 luglio 2020: Criteri e modalita' di riparto del Fondo, avente una dotazione di 3,5miliardi di euro, istituito presso il Ministero dell'internodall'art. 106 del decreto-legge 19 maggio 2020, n. 34, per concorreread assicurare ai comuni, alle province ed alle citta' [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/X2s3ns | 20:11 |
| ReGiStRaS | If a adult person have no obvious symptoms of covid, is it advisable to get tested? | 20:16 |
| tinwhiskers | Not really, assuming the testing capability can't handle simultaneously testing ~90% of the population | 20:20 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, unless you mean getting an antibody test... | 20:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Cramer says the stock market could go even higher if more Americans wore coronavirus masks: The "Mad Money" host said that wider mask adoption could push stocks tied to state economic reopening plans higher in addition to tech names. → https://is.gd/Dzp8mJ | 20:20 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Seroprevalence of Antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in 10 Sites in the United States, March 23-May 12, 2020 (80 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2768834 | https://redd.it/hv95iz | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. alleges two Chinese nationals stole vaccine secrets; Germany's response praised → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 20:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Historically controlled comparison of glucocorticoids with or without tocilizumab versus supportive care only in patients with COVID-19-associated cytokine storm syndrome: results of the CHIC study (81 votes) | https://ard.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/20/annrheumdis-2020-218479 | https://redd.it/hv4vxm | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump signs executive order to exclude undocumented people from census – live: Order could cause certain areas to lose funding and representation Biden says Trump has ‘quit on this country’ McConnell outlines Republican coronavirus relief bill → https://is.gd/1sD9pJ | 20:53 |
| snake | everyone has been talking about how we should wear a mask... but nobody is talking about how many masks we should wear | 21:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | ? | 21:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i don't think it really makes a difference. | 21:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | one is fine. | 21:01 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | more is fine too. | 21:02 |
| snake | if a cloth mask with a pocket holding 1 paper towel is roughly a 23% catching of 0.03 micron thingamadoodles... then 4 should be about 92% | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. alleges two Chinese nationals stole vaccine secrets; Germany's response praised → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 21:02 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, MEANING | 21:03 |
| snake | we should all be wearing 4 masks with a pocket + 1 fresh paper towel inside the pocket | 21:04 |
| snake | am i right? | 21:04 |
| snake | but can we give the fibers of a paper towel an electric charge to increase the percentage of 0.03 micron doodleboppers to nearly over at least 90%? | 21:05 |
| snake | that would save on paper towels... those things are expensive.. | 21:05 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, doodleboppers are the CORONAVIRUS DROPLETS | 21:07 |
| snake | fyi | 21:07 |
| snake | (but you probably already figured that out) | 21:07 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, ok tell me your honest opinion on this: | 21:08 |
| snake | would like rubbing the paper towel and/or the cloth face covering ("mask") have the same effect as electrically charged fibers of the material in an n95 grade mask? | 21:09 |
| snake | rubbing on like a baloon to make it statically charged | 21:09 |
| snake | or whatever | 21:09 |
| snake | guess i'll wait for an answer, dont wanna make a huge wall of text then nobody reads it | 21:10 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | snake: that's not how it works. | 21:10 |
| snake | oh | 21:10 |
| snake | sadface | 21:10 |
| snake | i guess everything i've said was probably wrong | 21:10 |
| snake | s h i t | 21:10 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i think if everyone wore one cloth mask each, we'd be fine. | 21:11 |
| snake | hmm | 21:11 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, but they dont block all the droplets, just like under 20% | 21:11 |
| snake | whereas n95 blocks 95% | 21:12 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i think you're missing the point. | 21:12 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it's not to protect the wearer from aerosolized virus. | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia sport: 'A national crisis': 16,000 Australian community sport clubs face collapse in wake of Covid-19 → https://is.gd/KhIdVn | 21:12 |
| snake | its to protect others | 21:12 |
| snake | but that 23% works both ways right? | 21:12 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | not really. because it's 23% of 0.03 micron particles. | 21:13 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and again, the concern is not aerosolized virus. | 21:13 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the concern is saliva. | 21:13 |
| snake | woah woah woah woah what | 21:13 |
| snake | i have been talking about respiratory droplets not aerosolized droplets | 21:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | due to surface tension, saliva doesn't get meaningfully aerosolized. | 21:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | respiratory droplets are >>0.03microns | 21:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | and if we take a step back and reflect on what we're talking about... | 21:15 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it sure seems like we're two random idiots on irc trying to poke holes in the science that has in several independent ways demonstrated that cloth masks are sufficient to significantly decrease spread of ncov infections. | 21:16 |
| snake | alright you got me there | 21:16 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | in many ways, the exact mechanism of action is immaterial. | 21:16 |
| snake | but i still think even if a cloth mask is not as good as an n95, it can still do some good | 21:16 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | whether it's because the filtration media is sufficiently dense or the particles are sufficiently large or because his noodly appendage deflects all the ncov, it works. | 21:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i personally wear a surgical mask when i go out, because that's what i have. | 21:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i also have full-face respirators with p100 cartridges, but due to the valve, it only protects me, not those around me. | 21:17 |
| snake | yeah i have some masks, and a cloth mask. the surgical masks are made with slave labor in china | 21:17 |
| snake | sadly | 21:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the respirators are not for ncov, but because my dad used to be a hazmat driver and was paranoid. | 21:18 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | that being said, i did buy a fresh batch of p100 cans when this shit hit the fan, because why not. | 21:18 |
| snake | i wanted to get a 3m respirator but my dad wasnt cooperating | 21:19 |
| snake | instead we got some cloth respirators that take little paper filters | 21:20 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | https://us.msasafety.com/Air-Purifying-Respirators-%28APR%29/Elastomeric-Full-Face-Masks/c/10601 | 21:20 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | etc | 21:20 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the ones i have are from the 90s and the plastics are still as supple as the day we got them. | 21:20 |
| snake | the chin type one looks cool | 21:21 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | https://us.msasafety.com/Air-Purifying-Respirators-%28APR%29/Elastomeric-Full-Face-Masks/Ultra-Twin%C2%AE-Full-Facepiece-Respirator/p/000100000300001450 is what we have | 21:21 |
| snake | can you memo that to me so i can read it at home? | 21:22 |
| snake | the first link | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pharma executives promise Congress they aren't cutting corners in fast-tracking coronavirus vaccine → https://is.gd/jdGmHb | 21:31 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 295817 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 45422 deaths (15.4% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 13.5 million tests were performed (2.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 21:33 |
| snake | %cases pennsylvania | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | snake: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 106943 confirmed cases (0.8% of the population) and 7101 deaths (6.6% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 1.0 million tests were performed (10.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 21:33 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases world | 21:34 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 13,553,989 cases as of 2020-07-15 10:49:00 UTC. Of these 5,300,979 (39.1%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 7,670,380 (56.6%) have definitely recovered and 582,630 (4.3%) have died. | 21:34 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases usa | 21:35 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 3,546,278 cases as of 2020-07-15 10:49:00 UTC. Of these 1,806,206 (50.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,600,910 (45.1%) have definitely recovered and 139,162 (3.9%) have died. | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump signs executive order to exclude undocumented people from census – live: Order could cause certain areas to lose funding and representation Biden says Trump has ‘quit on this country’ McConnell outlines Republican coronavirus relief bill → https://is.gd/1sD9pJ | 21:41 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, so would any of those masks take a canister/cartridge (dunno the right term) for filtering covid | 21:46 |
| snake | i like this one https://us.msasafety.com/Air-Purifying-Respirators-%28APR%29/Elastomeric-Full-Face-Masks/Chin-Type-Gas-Mask/p/000050001500001600 | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. alleges two Chinese nationals stole vaccine secrets; Germany's response praised → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 21:51 |
| snake | the title of that article doesnt match the text | 21:52 |
| snake | the text is about a relief bill and other things | 21:52 |
| samalex | hi everyone | 22:11 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | snake: they have various filters available, from n95 through p100. | 22:12 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | as well as chemical scrubbers, but that's not relevant in this context. | 22:13 |
| snake | huh, well i guess if its n95 its good enough, but i doubt they will sell me any because of the shortage huh? | 22:13 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | their p100 filters would be inarguably better than an n95. i never understood why people would be okay with breathing a concentration of ncov that's "only" 5% as strong as otherwise. | 22:13 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, now you understand why i was bitching about the cloth masks earlier | 22:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | if you're really concerned about protecting yourself, i'd go with a p100. n95 just seems like there's a dab of lipids between you and death from covid. | 22:14 |
| snake | they're like n23 with a paper towel | 22:14 |
| snake | yeah, idk, depends on the price | 22:14 |
| snake | and whats available | 22:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | but again, the point of cloth masks isn't to protect yourself. | 22:14 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | they're not fit for that purpose. | 22:15 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | even n95 masks are only fit for that purpose in the aggregate sense. if i was going to be dealing with covid patients, i wouldn't do it with anything less than a p100. | 22:15 |
| snake | i see | 22:16 |
| snake | if the purpose of a cloth mask is not to protect me then i wont wear a cloth mask anymore.. | 22:16 |
| snake | (i will wear a cloth mask until i get my carbon filters and cloth respirator mask) | 22:16 |
| snake | unfortunately the ones i got have a valve | 22:17 |
| snake | which is bad | 22:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | if everyone wore cloth masks, there would be no need for anything else. | 22:17 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, we cant have that | 22:17 |
| snake | its literally impossible to make everyone do anything | 22:17 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i understand and acknowledge that limitation. | 22:17 |
| snake | so i will protect myself... | 22:18 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | in aggregate, you'll never get 100% compliance. | 22:18 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | but on an individual level, i have very little patience for asshats :P | 22:18 |
| snake | yeah me too | 22:18 |
| snake | my brother has been deteriorating in his mental state | 22:18 |
| snake | now he's against masks | 22:18 |
| snake | i hope his rage posting on facebook gets the pedophiles | 22:19 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | it's unfortunate how strongly one's view re: masks correlates with one's partisan leanings. | 22:19 |
| snake | (he's into that qanon stuff) | 22:19 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | sweet. | 22:19 |
| snake | NoImNotNineVolt, yeah | 22:19 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | qanon is just a symptom. | 22:19 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | as a society, we're not investing enough into the flat earth society. | 22:19 |
| snake | lol | 22:19 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | we need harmless things like that for the gullible to be sucked into | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Germany's coronavirus response is a master class in science communication: Germany stood out for its strong science communication. For months, its top podcast was 'Der Coronavirus,' which provided an update on the disease from a top virologist. → https://is.gd/Bipj6S | 22:20 |
| snake | i wonder if they make a cap to go over the valve so i wont have to tape it | 22:21 |
| snake | i might smell the tape glue if i tape over the valve | 22:21 |
| samalex | they just pushed back our schools in our county in texas to September 7th like an hour ago... | 22:21 |
| snake | samalex, everyone is kidding themselves that this will be over in a few months | 22:22 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | that's optimistic. | 22:22 |
| snake | even with full compliance, we will not be out of this for maybe a year | 22:22 |
| samalex | snake, agree -- the morons thinking it's the flu and going about their business like nothing is happening will keep it going | 22:22 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | we'll see if the president's apparent change in messaging will have any impact. | 22:23 |
| snake | samalex, we need to open our country... but with protection would be better | 22:23 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | feasibly, it could have a significant impact on mask compliance. | 22:23 |
| samalex | Oh I think if we have a good lock down for 3-4 weeks and everyone follows it we'll get the numbers down. our county in march had a spike of about 20-30 cases, but during the lock down everyone for the most part listened and we went 2 months with no hospitalizations or deaths and just a trickle of cases. | 22:23 |
| snake | the numbers will go down... but then after the 3-4 weeks they will go back up again without protection | 22:24 |
| snake | that is what i think anyways | 22:24 |
| samalex | even after opening in early May (which was a huge mistake) we had low cases in Texas until after memorial day and opening the bars. Now our county is seeing 100-200 cases a day and positivity rate of 23% | 22:24 |
| snake | samalex, damn | 22:24 |
| dzho | wow 23% | 22:25 |
| samalex | yup... | 22:25 |
| samalex | our 7 day positivity average hit 20% on July 1st and has been steadily rising. Lotta love living in the middle of the Bible/Cruz belt. | 22:27 |
| dzho | I don't see this having been posted | 22:29 |
| dzho | https://www.propublica.org/article/how-to-understand-covid-19-numbers | 22:29 |
| dzho | talking about the positive rate reminded me of it | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump signs executive order to exclude undocumented people from census – live: Order could cause certain areas to lose funding and representation Biden says Trump has ‘quit on this country’ McConnell outlines Republican coronavirus relief bill → https://is.gd/1sD9pJ | 22:29 |
| samalex | yeah i'm looking at the 7 day positivity rate over total tests with results and positive vs negative. Luckily our local health district posts all this daily in a spreadsheet. | 22:30 |
| samalex | even shows how many tests are still pending. | 22:30 |
| samalex | problem is our county of 255K people has 3500 cases and 77 in the hospital, 14 on vents.. On 5/31 we had 115 cases, most recovered, and zero in the hospital. | 22:32 |
| samalex | And we're up to 24 deaths :( was slow but now it's like 1-2 a day | 22:33 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | are tests still garbage? | 22:35 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | if so, the positivity rate might be more strongly correlated with testing procedures, sample prep/storage, etc. than actual prevalence. | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): United Airlines loses $1.6 billion in the second quarter as pandemic saps travel demand → https://is.gd/ignb8x | 22:39 |
| samalex | not sure about tests being garbage. before they were only testing people with symptoms, and now they're more open to testing if someone has been exposed to it through family member or co-worker or tracing. problem is in our area there are too many cases for the tracers to work. | 22:42 |
| samalex | they could do it without issue with a few hundred cases, but not with over 2000 active cases | 22:42 |
| samalex | also our two county hospitals put out notice that they have plenty of beds but not enough staff or resources to keep things going at this rate | 22:43 |
| samalex | I really thought Abbott would lock down Texas by now... i'm glad he at least did mask mandate unlike Florida. | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Employment recovery falters in virus-ridden states; White House briefing ahead → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 22:48 |
| cfxt22 | samalex, Darwin will win. | 23:05 |
| samalex | cfxt22, true that ... | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Dr. Anthony Fauci says he wasn't invited to Tuesday's White House coronavirus briefing: Fauci has faced criticism in recent weeks from President Donald Trump and other administration officials surrounding his response to the pandemic. → https://is.gd/XZPVq3 | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Texas and Florida report record average daily coronavirus deaths as hospitalizations also rise: Texas and Florida hit a new grim record Monday for daily coronavirus deaths based on a seven-day moving average, as hospitalizations continue to surge in 34 states across the United States. → https://is.gd/D8WX9H | 23:17 |
| snake | just got my carbon filters | 23:23 |
| snake | how do i know they are unused? | 23:23 |
| snake | (or how can i know if they were used? | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Employment recovery falters in virus-ridden states; White House briefing ahead → https://is.gd/IKHjzQ | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: DOJ accuses Chinese hackers of trying to steal COVID-19 research data → https://is.gd/INIHIn | 23:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci says he wasn't aware White House coronavirus briefings were returning (10343 votes) | https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-fauci-says-he-wasn-t-aware-white-house-coronavirus-n1234459 | https://redd.it/hv8u98 | 23:43 |
| Jigsy | %cases world | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +42563 cases (now 15.1 million), +671 deaths (now 617129) since 3 hours ago — US: +28839 cases (now 4.0 million), +389 deaths (now 144793) since 3 hours ago — Oklahoma, US: +1714 cases (now 27147), +9 deaths (now 461) since 5 hours ago — South Africa: +8170 cases (now 381798), +195 deaths (now 5368) since 5 hours ago | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | NameError: global name 'IRC' is not defined (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 226, in covid) | 23:44 |
| snake | ah yes, so we can watch the orange man and mr. jesus talk about coronavirus every single day now | 23:44 |
| snake | hopefuly they where masks this time.. | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump warns U.S. coronavirus outbreak will probably 'get worse before it gets better' → https://is.gd/Igazpa | 23:46 |
| LjL | totally in line with what he was saying before | 23:51 |
| snake | yes, like when he said it will magically go away before easter sunday, that beautiful easter morning | 23:52 |
| snake | like a miracle | 23:52 |
| LjL | and now masks are patriotic, before they were for <censored> | 23:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +4406 cases (now 362087), +195 deaths (now 13579) since 5 hours ago — World: +35798 cases (now 15.1 million), +1201 deaths (now 618330) since 20 minutes ago — Brazil: +30601 cases (now 2.2 million), +994 deaths (now 81487) since 5 hours ago — US: +389 cases (now 4.0 million), +7 deaths (now 144800) since 20 minutes ago | 23:52 |
| g2` | China virus | 23:53 |
| LjL | %cases world | 23:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In World, there have been 15.1 million confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 618330 deaths (4.1% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 306.6 million tests were performed (4.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 6.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 23:53 |
| LjL | Jigsy, ↑ | 23:53 |
| snake | LjL, do you have any ideas about the question i asked? | 23:54 |
| snake | is there a lab that can help me? | 23:54 |
| LjL | snake, no sorry, i haven't used reusable filters | 23:54 |
| LjL | a lab... wouldn't it be easier/cheaper to just buy from reputable sources? :P | 23:55 |
| snake | lol | 23:55 |
| snake | guess so | 23:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): United Airlines loses $1.6 billion in the second quarter as pandemic saps travel demand → https://is.gd/ignb8x | 23:56 |
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