| Artysto | tinwhiskers: Oh so the antibodies of common cold and Covid are not distinguishable in these tests? | 00:00 |
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| Artysto | Then its a pretty big sham all of it if thats true | 00:00 |
| tinwhiskers | That depends on the specificity of the particular test but it seems often some are getting included. | 00:00 |
| Artysto | So when they claim that specificity is between 82 to 96% and then say that about 40% of a city has that exposure can we consider that at least about 30% plus as realistic? | 00:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Based on the data for India we have, the positive test rate we're seeing and population 40% seems wildly high to me. | 00:02 |
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| Artysto | Yeah I too was stumped as to why the positive test rate for PCR tests is still around 10% but antibody test survey 40% | 00:04 |
| tinwhiskers | But it's always possible, especially within one particular slum. | 00:04 |
| tinwhiskers | PCR testing at 10% and antibody testing at 40% don't really have a lot of bearing on each other. | 00:05 |
| Artysto | Yeah a particular slum is very feasible but then similar numbers have been reported from other parts of the city and other cities as well | 00:05 |
| tinwhiskers | that PCR testing is at 10% means the testing rate is reasonable to not be missing vast numbers of cases, and that's about all it tells us. | 00:05 |
| Artysto | tinwhiskers: Oh I get it now, cause antibody test is telling you in a way cumulative infection percent of the whole population where as the PCR test is positivity rate for a unit of time | 00:07 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 00:07 |
| tinwhiskers | so 10% tells us looking at the data isn't a complete waste of time. | 00:08 |
| Artysto | Haha yes thanks for showing that difference between those two numbers. I wonder why it didnt occur to me until now | 00:09 |
| Artysto | So what do you reckon if they are claiming 40% (and also that they adjusted for specificity and false negatives of the test) does 30% seem reasonable to you? | 00:10 |
| tinwhiskers | it's possible in one small densely populated area, but representative of India in general. | 00:11 |
| tinwhiskers | *but NOT representative | 00:11 |
| Artysto | Also has there been any growing consensus about what % of population needs to have infection for herd immunity or is it still wildly contested? | 00:11 |
| tinwhiskers | somewhere between 60-90%, but it's more complicated than that with people wearing masks and social distancing, etc. | 00:12 |
| Artysto | tinwhiskers: Yeah makes sense I think cities in India are bound to have much higher incidence than the villages and towns so definitely it may not be representative of the whole country | 00:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Artysto: I very much doubt it'll be anywhere near 40% over any city either | 00:13 |
| tinwhiskers | My guess is that is a cherry-picked result for someone to make a point | 00:13 |
| tinwhiskers | or just wrong | 00:13 |
| tinwhiskers | You'd be seeing FAR more positive cases if 40% of any city was infected. | 00:14 |
| tinwhiskers | considering how short the timeframe of the infection has been in india that would be a lot of active cases | 00:14 |
| tinwhiskers | er, not "was infected", but "was infected over the short time frame" | 00:15 |
| tinwhiskers | the population in India is mindbogglingly large. It just doesn't smell right for anywhere near 40% to have been infected already given the data we're seeing and comparing it to the US, for example. | 00:17 |
| Artysto | Also to be considered is the percentage of people who are asymptomatic lets say that the rate is higher than thought then it might be possible that these people never got themselves tested and hence they do not figure in the official numbers of active cases | 00:17 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, if it were considerably higher than expected that is possible, but that's really not the case. | 00:18 |
| tinwhiskers | You'd need the rate of asymptomatic people to be something like an order of magnitude or more higher than all the evidence suggests. | 00:19 |
| Artysto | Yeah that seems like the only possible scenario if these numbers are to believed. If this number is intentionally inflated who exactly would benefit from doing this? Why else take all the effort? | 00:22 |
| tinwhiskers | it's *far* more likely this is a cherry-picked localised result or just plain wrong. I don't believe for a minute that any significant area of India is at 40% seroprevalence. | 00:22 |
| MrtnDk[m] | We need way more people to die, I guess? | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says U.S. is sending Texas 500 cases of remdesivir as coronavirus deaths hit record → https://is.gd/yqOVie | 00:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, politicians benefit from downplaying the seriousness | 00:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Sadly things are only just getting started in India. | 00:25 |
| Artysto | Politicians get to benefit from either of the swings. Fevipiravir was available in India for Rs 10 a tablet before the pandemic they jacked up the prices to Rs 110 and removed older listings now they are under scrutiny about the high prices, now they seem to have reduced the price to Rs 70(..ish) and calling it as a selfless act | 00:26 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, depends which side you're one | 00:27 |
| tinwhiskers | *on | 00:27 |
| LjL | Artysto, if you look at *serious* antibody surveys, not those made with the first random tests that someone sells... for instance the one commissioned by the government in Spain (one of the countries hit the hardest in Europe), that gives you 10% in Madrid, the hardest-hit area, and 3% on the coasts, for a 5% of population average | 00:32 |
| LjL | that's consistent also with blanket PCR tests in area with high prevalence, like the Vo' study in Italy | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Nancy Pelosi imposes mandatory mask policy for House floor after GOP Rep. Gohmert tests positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/jS5GiC | 00:32 |
| LjL | it's not consistent with things like "40% positive", i've yet to see a reputable study, not some claim to the press, with numbers like that | 00:33 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, for India to be at 40% in any significant area would require hundreds (thousands?) of times more asymptomatic cases than symptomatic cases considering the number of positive tests to date. | 00:38 |
| LjL | yeah, which is not something that is supported by anyone but handwavy "there are probably lotsa cases without symptoms" wishful thinking. the studies say the amount of asymptomatic people is probably important for transmission, but definitely not an order of magnitude larger than the symptomatic people, nevermind more | 00:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: These bacteria may have survived 100-million-year isolation → https://is.gd/aXA9AM | 00:52 |
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| tinwhiskers | still, in saying that, 40% seroprevalence in a single slum is entirely plausible so the study may be correct and provided it isn't used in any way to extrapolate to the wider community it may be taken as an interesting point in it's own right. | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | *its own right | 00:56 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, does it say how many of them were asymptomatic? | 00:59 |
| LjL | although to be fair, many of the people in that Ohio prison were asymptomatic, more than i expected | 01:00 |
| LjL | is it possible that when the prevalence gets *very* high, the rate of asymptomatics also gets higher? i don't have an immediately plausible mechanism for that | 01:00 |
| tinwhiskers | hmm. yeah | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. death toll tops 150,000 as hard-hit states reach record-high average deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 01:01 |
| tinwhiskers | well, I hadn't read it, but it was a non-randomised study with 6936 samples (presumably just one sample per person). 16% of respondents in non-slum areas were positive and 57% of people in slums were positive. | 01:02 |
| tinwhiskers | I didn't see a 40% figure anywhere but I guess that's the average, which is way out of whack. | 01:03 |
| tinwhiskers | they don't mention how many were asymptomatic | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Other than to say, "The results of the sero-survey also suggested that a higher proportion of the overall infections were asymptomatic infections". but I only read the news item, not the paper. | 01:06 |
| LjL | i just read the same | 01:07 |
| LjL | haven't reached the paper yet | 01:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Still, even 16% in the wider community seems far too high to me considering the data we have for India and the timing. My guess is respondent bias or worse specificity than indicated. | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Nancy Pelosi imposes mandatory mask policy for House floor after GOP Rep. Gohmert tests positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/jS5GiC | 01:11 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i give up, where's the study? apparently i can't google | 01:12 |
| tinwhiskers | I didn't find it either | 01:12 |
| LjL | oh | 01:12 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i think for now i'll file this into the "boasting announcement to the press without actual study" bin, together with the other "40% seroprevalence" articles | 01:15 |
| LjL | look at this | 01:15 |
| LjL | “Taking together the current prevalence (estimated here) and records from BMC on reported deaths, the infection fatality rate (IFR) is likely to be very low (0.05-0.10 per cent). Among others, this could be attributed to effective containment efforts and active measures to isolate symptomatic cases by the Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai (MCGM),” | 01:15 |
| LjL | like... what? how? | 01:15 |
| LjL | how would containment result in a low IFR despite very high prevalence? | 01:15 |
| LjL | very high prevalence tells you that you didn't contain it well, and then if fatality is low, well, good for you | 01:16 |
| LjL | “These results will be valuable to learn more about herd immunity. Although it is still unclear what level of prevalence leads to herd immunity, findings indicate that at least in slums this could be attained sooner than later if the immunity exists and persists in a significant proportion of the population,” | 01:17 |
| LjL | and then this makes me wonder, are they just pitching herd immunity as a strategy, especially in places where they have no real alternative? | 01:17 |
| LjL | call me whatever but these seem like red flags in ths announcement | 01:17 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. yes. smells to high heaven. | 01:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths amid surge in cases – live: Full story: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths More than 1,300 lives lost from coronavirus in the US yesterday Trump: suburbs won’t be ‘bothered’ by low-income housing Live updates: tech bosses face grilling from Congress US Rep tests positive, prompting [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8usBtv | 01:21 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update: Queensland braces for community transmission as more schools close in Sydney and Victoria – live news → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 01:31 |
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| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says all the ‘valid’ scientific data shows hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective in treating coronavirus (10179 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/29/dr-fauci-says-all-the-valid-scientific-data-shows-hydroxychloroquine-isnt-effective-in-treating-coronavirus.html | https://redd.it/i04557 | 01:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Aerosol and surface contamination of SARS-CoV-2 observed in quarantine and isolation care (80 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-69286-3 | https://redd.it/i05dm5 | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: WHO warns that waiting to achieve herd immunity to the coronavirus will kill a lot of people: Most scientists think 60% to 80% of the population needs to be vaccinated or have natural antibodies to the coronavirus to achieve herd immunity. → https://is.gd/KBzeY5 | 01:51 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update: Queensland braces for community transmission as more schools close in Sydney and Victoria – live news → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 02:00 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2598-9 | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: SARS-CoV-2-reactive T cells in healthy donors and patients with COVID-19 | Nature | 02:00 |
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| de-facto | whoops | 02:59 |
| LjL | how the hell did it change from 7.3 to nothing | 03:13 |
| LjL | stupid unistra.fr | 03:13 |
| LjL | uh actually it's right | 03:13 |
| LjL | twitter and emsc were wrong | 03:14 |
| LjL | yurekuru isn't usually *that* wrong... | 03:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Australia reports record new cases as Hong Kong on brink of 'large-scale outbreak': Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam urges people to stay indoors as much as possible ; Brazil reports nearly 70,000 new infections overnight ; France sees highest new daily cases in a month . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 03:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria premier Dan Andrews announces 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 03:49 |
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| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Persistent heterogeneity not short-term overdispersion determines herd immunity to COVID-19 (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.26.20162420v1 | https://redd.it/i01mla | 03:55 |
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| PlanckWalk | Hmm, it looks like their model assumes that susceptibility and infectivity are the same, and that groups are segregated by that parameter. | 04:08 |
| PlanckWalk | Which I suppose is a better model than assuming everyone has the same values, but still not very good. | 04:09 |
| PlanckWalk | Ahh, not segregated. Just stratified in the analysis. | 04:17 |
| PlanckWalk | That's not so bad. | 04:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Close-range exposure to a COVID-19 carrier: transmission trends in the respiratory tract and estimation of infectious dose (84 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.27.20162362v1 | https://redd.it/i07lfg | 04:19 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases as NSW reports 18 cases and Qld three → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 05:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Australia sees record new cases as global infections near 17m: Brazil reports nearly 70,000 new infections overnight ; Scaled-down hajj begins in coronavirus era – in pictures ; France sees highest new daily cases in a month . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 05:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus live updates: Australia reports daily record number of cases: The coronavirus has infected more than 16.9 million people around the world as of Wednesday, killing at least 665,581 people. → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 06:15 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases as NSW reports 18 cases and Qld three → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Victoria makes masks compulsory for all as it records 13 more Covid-19 deaths and 723 new cases → https://is.gd/FX02bb | 06:45 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases as NSW reports 18 cases and Qld three → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 07:15 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Vietnam braces for a fresh wave of coronavirus despite earlier success in containing the outbreak: Vietnam, once praised for its success in containing the coronavirus outbreak, is now battling a resurgence in cases and has warned that the disease could spread wider across the country. → https://is.gd/EYvJyE | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period 'to go up from seven to 10 days' → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 07:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, no. Not vietnam :-( It's got quite a bit worse since the graph shown in that CNBC article too. | 07:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases as NSW reports 18 cases and Qld three → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 07:44 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Malaika Arora shows how not to wear a face mask; follow these rules → https://is.gd/QTZJGk | 08:14 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global infections top 17 million; Australia reports daily record number of cases → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 08:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases as NSW reports 18 cases and Qld three → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global infections top 17 million; Australia reports new daily record cases → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: isolation period for people with symptoms may increase to 10 days → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 09:22 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases as NSW reports 18 cases and Qld three → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 09:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period 'to go up from seven to 10 days' → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 10:02 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !status world | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: isolation period for people with symptoms may increase to 10 days → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 10:12 |
| ottavio | Do you thing Covid resurgence in Europe is "the" second wave or just part of the first wave? | 10:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Woolworths asks customers to wear face masks in NSW, ACT and Queensland as Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 10:21 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !status world | 10:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Urgent calls for seafarers stuck on ships due to COVID-19 to be brought home → https://is.gd/BTS2mE | 10:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period 'to go up from seven to 10 days' → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Woolworths asks customers to wear face masks in NSW, ACT and Queensland as Victoria records 13 deaths and 723 new Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/GXpmkK | 10:51 |
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| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: We Thought It Was Just a Respiratory Virus We were wrong. (84 votes) | https://www.ucsf.edu/magazine/covid-body | https://redd.it/i0hqmy | 11:03 |
| Artysto | LjL: That article wasn't written by consulting any experts it seems, our journalists seem to like acting as if they can comprehend just about any topic simply because their articles get published. | 11:16 |
| Artysto | It was very stupid of them to say that low IFR despite high prevalence was because of containment efforts | 11:17 |
| Artysto | I will try to link any paper I can get my hands on also they didn't do the survey in just one slum but in several slums in three different wards(parts) of the city | 11:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period to go up from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 11:20 |
| Artysto | This was a government study some here believe in public scientific institutions more than private so they carry higher credibility in this regard. Even then a lot of private labs have already spoken about their own observations before this studies results got announced and they all seemed to suggest a seroprevalence of 20-28% but it wasn't randomized at all just the net positive rate amongst all those who turned to these labs | 11:22 |
| Artysto | for antibody tests | 11:22 |
| Artysto | Also the antibody tests that were imported from China had a very low specificity which is why they were never used and then government asked public and private entities to come up with kits here itself and when their results were contrasted with PCR tests | 11:23 |
| Artysto | Only after ascertaining that specificity was consistently above 80% were they employed, for the most part the claim was that the specificity improved to over 90 something percent later on | 11:25 |
| Artysto | Also since there isn't just one government controlling these things since healthcare is a state subject it seems unlikely to me that central government would be able to manipulate the data by much | 11:26 |
| Artysto | In fact in several cases it was the state governments that were trying to downplay the threat and the central government called for auditing after which figures were revised upwards both for deaths and active cases | 11:27 |
| Artysto | I can't see why they would try to mess this up on purpose because there isn't much to gain from doing that but a lot more to lose, we have elections almost every year I dont think any government will want to be caught in any such scandal here | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 11:30 |
| Artysto | LjL: https://www.tifr.res.in/TSN/article/COVID_19_Sero_survey.pdf found some official document that was not a press article | 11:34 |
| Artysto | tinwhiskers: https://www.tifr.res.in/TSN/article/COVID_19_Sero_survey.pdf thought you might want to look too | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +1356 cases (now 49591), +35 deaths (now 2304) since 23 hours ago — World: +5268 cases (now 17.3 million), +290 deaths (now 671579) since an hour ago — Iran: +2621 cases (now 301530), +226 deaths (now 16569) since 23 hours ago — Oman: +590 cases (now 79159), +9 deaths (now 421) since 23 hours ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Australia's Victoria records huge coronavirus case jump: Fears lockdown is not working as the Australian state reports its highest number of cases and deaths. → https://is.gd/cjCcwe | 12:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +220 cases (now 35022), +1 deaths (now 1980) since 23 hours ago — World: +522 cases (now 17.3 million), +3 deaths (now 671582) since 20 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +302 cases (now 60223), +2 deaths (now 349) since 23 hours ago | 12:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: U.S. reports at least 1,444 new coronavirus deaths, biggest one-day increase in more than 2 months (10191 votes) | https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1288662032011722752?s=21 | https://redd.it/i0dy1b | 12:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 12:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: France rules out 'catastrophic' second national lockdown despite rise in infections: French prime minister says full lockdown must be avoided ; number of global cases passes 17m ; Japan to lift ban on re-entry of some foreign residents starting next week → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 12:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT Plus: Coles-led Cerevel Therapeutics to raise $445 million to develop brain drugs with fewer side effects: The deal is the third largest biotech public listing ever, Cerevel said, after Legend Biotech and Moderna, and the largest to use a special purpose acquisition company, or SPAC. → https://is.gd/gDlZ2L | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: Face masks, athleisure, sandals are top fashion trends amid COVID-19, says report → https://is.gd/USg3Z2 | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: France rules out 'catastrophic' second national lockdown despite rise in infections: French prime minister says full lockdown must be avoided ; number of global cases passes 17m ; Japan to lift ban on re-entry of some foreign residents starting next week → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 13:27 |
| rmonten[m] | So I just got prescribed a PCR test based on a cough I got these last few days. | 13:28 |
| rmonten[m] | The test is tomorrow and results should be in under 48h. Wish me luck! | 13:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1306 cases (now 17.3 million), +16 deaths (now 671598) since an hour ago — Madagascar: +431 cases (now 10748), +6 deaths (now 105) since 22 hours ago — Qatar: +307 cases (now 110460), +2 deaths (now 171) since 22 hours ago — Nepal: +274 cases (now 19547), +3 deaths (now 52) since 22 hours ago | 13:37 |
| ubLIX[m] | good luck, rmonten! how long have you had the cough? | 13:42 |
| rmonten[m] | Thanks! Since yesterday, had a sore throat a couple of days before that. | 13:44 |
| ubLIX[m] | even if it's not C19, hopefully it won't get worse than that | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2510 cases (now 17.3 million), +16 deaths (now 671614) since 21 minutes ago — India: +2120 cases (now 1.6 million), +12 deaths (now 35048) since 21 minutes ago — Gambia: +77 cases (now 403) since 2 days ago — Zambia: +306 cases (now 5555), +3 deaths (now 149) since 22 hours ago | 13:52 |
| rmonten[m] | Honestly if it wasn't for the pandemic and the fact that I'm traveling next week, I wouldn't have contacted my doctor. But better safe than sorry nowadays! | 13:56 |
| ubLIX[m] | exactly! | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Daily U.S. cases top 70,000 again; study finds J&J vaccine protected monkeys with one dose → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Webinar: Inside the virtual care boom: What happens when the point of care becomes anywhere?: The rapid shift to virtual care could bring clear benefits, but what are the potential side effects — and what elements will stick in a post-pandemic world? → https://is.gd/uuMb2Y | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +342 cases (now 53963) since 23 hours ago — World: +1868 cases (now 17.3 million), +22 deaths (now 671636) since 49 minutes ago — Kuwait: +626 cases (now 66529), +1 deaths (now 445) since 23 hours ago — Palestine: +264 cases (now 11548), +1 deaths (now 81) since 15 hours ago | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Daily U.S. cases top 70,000 again; study finds J&J vaccine protected monkeys with one dose → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT Plus: Pharmalittle: Drug makers build Covid-19 vaccine supply chains; VCs are still spending on biotechs: Drug makers racing to develop Covid-19 vaccines are already working behind the scenes to build the supply chains needed to deliver their drugs to billions of people as rapidly as… → https://is.gd/qUfc2q | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +3888 cases (now 89374), +21 deaths (now 1983) since a day ago — World: +22485 cases (now 17.3 million), +259 deaths (now 671895) since an hour ago — India: +10773 cases (now 1.6 million), +86 deaths (now 35134) since an hour ago — Iraq: +2963 cases (now 121263), +68 deaths (now 4671) since 23 hours ago | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Daily U.S. cases top 70,000 again; study finds J&J vaccine protected monkeys with one dose → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 16:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Dominic Cummings: Dominic Cummings undermined lockdown enforcement, says ex-Durham police chief → https://is.gd/FnsWHr | 16:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine prevents SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia in rhesus macaques (81 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2608-y | https://redd.it/i0lqbb | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 16:52 |
| de-facto | rmonten[m], may I ask where you are from? | 16:56 |
| rmonten[m] | de-facto: currently living in Paris, if that answers your question | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK extends coronavirus isolation period from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/51aGfL | 17:02 |
| de-facto | rmonten[m], asking because I had the same (south of Germany), sore throat and light coughing, friend of mine too (possible got it from her) and i know of another who made holidays in France who also got those symptoms: all SARS-CoV-2 RT-PCR came back negative so far, so possibly some common cold circulating in addidion to SARS-CoV-2 | 17:03 |
| de-facto | yet better safe than sorry, self isolate until you got your result too, wishing you good luck with your test | 17:04 |
| LjL | +382 in italy | 17:07 |
| LjL | that's the highest since... a long time | 17:07 |
| LjL | i think it has begun | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +28638 cases (now 17.3 million), +576 deaths (now 672471) since an hour ago — India: +15697 cases (now 1.6 million), +240 deaths (now 35374) since an hour ago — US: +11425 cases (now 4.6 million), +272 deaths (now 154159) since an hour ago — Florida, US: +9956 cases (now 461379), +252 deaths (now 6587) since 23 hours ago | 17:07 |
| de-facto | today +902 in Germany way too high :( | 17:10 |
| rmonten[m] | de-facto: interesting. Thanks! I'm definitely staying in and getting all my food delivered, as per doctor's advice ;) | 17:10 |
| de-facto | yes its safer to assume the worst but hope for the best, wishing you good luck that the test comes back negative for you too! | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Watch live: World Health Organization holds press conference on the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/rGinCK | 17:12 |
| de-facto | and always wear tight facemask over nose and mouth e.g. when going for the test | 17:14 |
| rmonten[m] | Yeah, hopefully I can let you know by Sunday. | 17:18 |
| rmonten[m] | Totally! I get unreasonably annoyed when I see people wearing a mask but leaving their nose uncovered. | 17:19 |
| de-facto | yeah full ack | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Daily U.S. cases top 70,000 again; study finds J&J vaccine protected monkeys with one dose → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 17:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +23445 cases (now 17.4 million), +565 deaths (now 673036) since 34 minutes ago — India: +15655 cases (now 1.6 million), +338 deaths (now 35712) since 34 minutes ago — US: +4797 cases (now 4.6 million), +201 deaths (now 154360) since 34 minutes ago — Italy: +382 cases (now 247158), +3 deaths (now 35132) since 22 hours ago | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Government failed to protect social care during pandemic, say experts: The covid-19 pandemic has exposed longstanding failures of successive governments to ensure that the social care sector in England is properly funded, staffed, and stable, concludes a new analysis... → https://is.gd/6Kcmdq | 17:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Herman Cain dies after battle with virus; McDonald's seeks advice from Mayo Clinic → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4645 cases (now 17.4 million), +8 deaths (now 673044) since 19 minutes ago — US: +4484 cases (now 4.6 million), +4 deaths (now 154364) since 19 minutes ago — North Carolina, US: +2180 cases (now 120194) since 20 hours ago — South Carolina, US: +1726 cases (now 87572) since 20 hours ago | 17:52 |
| de-facto | I am curious, for those countries which show a clear second wave is the reproduction number R = Transmissibility * ContactRate * InfectiousnessDuration raised due to: a) Transmissibility increase (Ignorance of containment measures and/or Mutations?), b) ContactRates increased (People tired of staying home and meeting again more frequently?), c) InfectiousnessDuration (some biological reason why virus shed would last for longer time?) | 17:53 |
| de-facto | could be any combination of a) b) c) i guess, but is there any knowledge about the main contributions? | 17:54 |
| de-facto | possibly some strain mutation which is easier to transmit or such? | 17:55 |
| de-facto | https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global | 17:55 |
| de-facto | would be relevant to have stats about where the majority of transmission takes place and if there is any change in that over time or with environment changes, so people could know where the most probability of transmission emerges from | 17:59 |
| rmonten[m] | Google has some stats on our mobility, which may give an indication of the recent increase in contact rate https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/ | 18:00 |
| de-facto | oh thats interesting indeed | 18:01 |
| de-facto | thanks for that link | 18:02 |
| metreo | The highest probability of infection happens indoors with poor air circulation. | 18:05 |
| LjL | In this study of a cohort of German patients recently recovered from COVID-19 infection, CMR revealed cardiac involvement in 78 patients (78%) and ongoing myocardial inflammation in 60 patients (60%), independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and time from the original diagnosis. | 18:06 |
| LjL | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/cardiology/articlepdf/2768916/jamacardiology_puntmann_2020_oi_200057.pdf | 18:06 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], ↑ | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4828 cases (now 17.4 million), +29 deaths (now 673073) since 20 minutes ago — Spain: +2789 cases (now 332510), +2 deaths (now 28443) since 22 hours ago — Indiana, US: +954 cases (now 65253), +14 deaths (now 2946) since 23 hours ago — US: +954 cases (now 4.6 million), +14 deaths (now 154378) since 20 minutes ago | 18:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Herman Cain Dies From Coronavirus at 74 (10288 votes) | https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/herman-cain-obituary/2020/07/30/id/979733/ | https://redd.it/i0myds | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Herman Cain dies after battle with virus; McDonald's seeks advice from Mayo Clinic → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 18:40 |
| LjL | is there evidence that children barely develop antibodies and/or that when you test them for antibodies they usually turn out negative? there is a new study out (although i only read an article about it and maddeningly it doesn't link to the study, only to OTHER studies) that suggests children have HIGHER viral levels than adults | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: England had highest levels of excess deaths in Europe in first half of 2020, ONS says → https://is.gd/fUG0pc | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +23366 cases (now 17.4 million), +430 deaths (now 673503) since an hour ago — Illinois, US: +1772 cases (now 178138), +16 deaths (now 7670) since 21 hours ago — Brazil: +10558 cases (now 2.6 million), +171 deaths (now 90383) since 2 hours ago — India: +6670 cases (now 1.6 million), +71 deaths (now 35783) since an hour ago | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Virus isolation period extended from seven to 10 days → https://is.gd/9hRj6C | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +1046 cases (now 23259), +12 deaths (now 346) since a day ago — World: +2853 cases (now 17.4 million), +47 deaths (now 673550) since 34 minutes ago — Dominican Rep.: +1733 cases (now 67915), +23 deaths (now 1146) since a day ago — Israel: +834 cases (now 69603), +2 deaths (now 499) since 7 hours ago | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Spain reports biggest rise in daily infections since lockdown lifted in June: Spain reports 1,229 new infections on Thursday , France rules out full lockdown despite rise in cases; Japan sees record high for new cases for second day in a row → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 19:38 |
| invisivel | hi | 19:41 |
| LjL | hi | 19:44 |
| invisivel | true or fake ? | 19:45 |
| bin_bash | what | 19:47 |
| Artysto | LjL: Articles not linking the study they are talking about gets me worked these days, I meam I can understand pre-pandemic that some people might have lacked the awareness but nowadays its just unbelievable | 19:48 |
| invisivel | virus | 19:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. officials see 'signs of progress' in Sun Belt coronavirus outbreaks, though deaths remain high → https://is.gd/igIG1Z | 19:48 |
| Artysto | invisivel: well keeping in mind that several otherwise healthy people are all of sudden dying there has got to be something going around right? | 19:49 |
| LjL | the simple answer is "true" | 19:49 |
| bin_bash | invisivel: can you try asking your question in a complete sentence? | 19:49 |
| invisivel | this virus appeared in a trade war between the usa and china | 19:50 |
| bin_bash | uh no | 19:51 |
| invisivel | there is no certainty as to how the first contagion arose | 19:51 |
| Artysto | LjL: did you get the link we about the sero survey we were discussing earlier in the day? I have linked it in the chat above | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mississippi, US: +1775 cases (now 57579), +48 deaths (now 1611) since 22 hours ago — World: +4818 cases (now 17.4 million), +97 deaths (now 673647) since 19 minutes ago — US: +2978 cases (now 4.6 million), +68 deaths (now 154541) since 19 minutes ago — Wisconsin, US: +1059 cases (now 52108), +8 deaths (now 919) since 22 hours ago | 19:53 |
| Artysto | invisivel: even if the virus is say a result of the trade war, just saying that is an admission of the virus being real so you answered it yourself ;-) | 19:53 |
| invisivel | virus appeared but it may have been in the abstract and the power of the media is enormous to create a circus. What is happening all over the world | 19:54 |
| invisivel | with influenza A there were rumors that created a false pandemic. Alias and what is happening with this virus. Rumors and more rumors, nothing is certain but the circus is set up. Now it is difficult to dismantle it | 19:56 |
| Tre45son | sometimes I wonder how many IRC users are paid trollers | 19:57 |
| invisivel | right | 19:57 |
| oriba | the internet appeared during cold war.... maybe it's just a fake, or at least a hype... | 19:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): FDA says it would clear a coronavirus vaccine so long as it's safe and at least 50% effective → https://is.gd/Pre7om | 19:58 |
| invisivel | it is your argument ? very weak of course | 19:58 |
| bin_bash | Tre45son: tbh find out who's paying people to troll and id do it | 19:59 |
| bin_bash | i do it for free rn | 19:59 |
| Tre45son | reality has a well known liberal bias | 19:59 |
| bin_bash | what? | 19:59 |
| Tre45son | Colbert Show Comedy Central, was much better | 20:00 |
| invisivel | some people have a hard time admitting it but we are being deceived by the media. Did they develop a vaccine in less than a year? I think this is incredible | 20:00 |
| genera | hm how do i measure a vax that is 50% effective? | 20:00 |
| Tre45son | invisivel: like project mockingbird ? | 20:01 |
| Tre45son | did you notice VOA's need appointee ? | 20:01 |
| Tre45son | bad enough now that VOA was to the left or NPR in the US | 20:01 |
| invisivel | dont know about that only know that this virus is very strange and powerfull according medias | 20:02 |
| bin_bash | invisivel: vaccines are still in development | 20:02 |
| bin_bash | as are treatments | 20:02 |
| bin_bash | it's brand fucking new, ofc they dont know very much | 20:02 |
| bin_bash | pretty much all scientists are working around the clock on this though | 20:02 |
| bin_bash | it's very similar to plague inc | 20:02 |
| invisivel | but they say it will be ready by the end of the year, and they are already advertising it | 20:03 |
| bin_bash | there are several promising things, but there's absolutely 0 guarantee that anything will be ready by the end of the year | 20:04 |
| Tre45son | except China is apparently using a vaccine on its military ? | 20:05 |
| bin_bash | Tre45son: source? | 20:06 |
| Tre45son | invisivel: well your right to question who makes billions on the Vaccine corruption | 20:06 |
| Tre45son | bin_bash: its been out there for some months, if you websearch | 20:06 |
| bin_bash | Tre45son: you made a claim, now post a link to back it up | 20:06 |
| Tre45son | bin_bash: define 'claim' | 20:06 |
| bin_bash | you dont even have to scroll up | 20:07 |
| Tre45son | you see the squiggle at the end of the post | 20:07 |
| bin_bash | 130505 <Tre45son> except China is apparently using a vaccine on its military ? | 20:07 |
| invisivel | what is strange and that no one dies from other diseases anymore. Now all deaths are covid. One more strange thing about the many others existing about this virus | 20:07 |
| Tre45son | thats a question mark | 20:07 |
| bin_bash | Tre45son: yeah but WHERE did you see this information that has you asking that question? | 20:07 |
| Tre45son | bin_bash: guess english isn't your language | 20:07 |
| bin_bash | invisivel: thats not true | 20:07 |
| Tre45son | the '? | 20:07 |
| Tre45son | the '?' implies uncertainty not 'a question' | 20:08 |
| bin_bash | Tre45son: stop being obtuse. where did you read that china is using a vaccine on their military? or did you just make that up | 20:08 |
| Tre45son | bin_bash: hunh, it is known, if you just stop harrassing me and search | 20:08 |
| bin_bash | that's not how this channel works | 20:09 |
| bin_bash | dont say shit about what countries "apparently" are or aren't doing if you're not able to at least provide a single link | 20:09 |
| Tre45son | whatever have a good day | 20:09 |
| invisivel | the question is that the media can tell us everything but we will never know what is the truth or lie about the virus. Just believe or not | 20:10 |
| bin_bash | invisivel: it's not that hard if you know how to read medical journals | 20:10 |
| genera | in case you dont know there is ##coronavirus-vox and ##coronatruth | 20:10 |
| invisivel | today all institutions and even respectful people can lie and we will never know | 20:13 |
| bin_bash | lol | 20:14 |
| invisivel | is it a lie ? | 20:14 |
| bin_bash | it's easier than ever to determine whether or not something is true. do you seriously think that EVERY university and EVERY lab are coming up with the SAME fake information? that there's some gigantic consortium that's directing this? ,seriously? | 20:15 |
| invisivel | i don't understand much about medicine so i can easily be deceived right? | 20:15 |
| invisivel | if the boss says don't say that. Do they not speak or disobey? | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. officials see 'signs of progress' in Sun Belt coronavirus outbreaks, though deaths remain high → https://is.gd/igIG1Z | 20:17 |
| Artysto | I think they have a much higher inventive for disobeying. Imagine if you can definitively prove to the the world that the virus is a sham, wouldn't you do that? So I guess if it was all an elaborate setup we would have known by now | 20:18 |
| invisivel | and if there are death threats, they still risk disclosing what they know? | 20:20 |
| oriba | I wonder why this channel should be more trustworthy than all those possible liars in the media an politics... trustworthy enough to ask here, if the corona-thing is a lie | 20:20 |
| oriba | without plausibility checking no way to decide it | 20:21 |
| oriba | so, the whole discussion meks no sense | 20:21 |
| oriba | s/meks/makes/ | 20:22 |
| bin_bash | invisivel: yeah if you dont know anything about medicine and you just believe the first thing you read then you can be easily deceived | 20:23 |
| bin_bash | that's why it's important to have a basic understanding | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ohio, US: +1727 cases (now 89640), +20 deaths (now 3449) since 4 hours ago — World: +4490 cases (now 17.4 million), +138 deaths (now 673785) since 41 minutes ago — US: +3247 cases (now 4.6 million), +49 deaths (now 154590) since 41 minutes ago — Ecuador: +1177 cases (now 84370), +34 deaths (now 5657) since a day ago | 20:23 |
| bin_bash | oriba: wtf are you even talking about | 20:23 |
| Artysto | bin_bash: Will a news article link work? https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-vaccine-approved-military-use-china-1.5630947 | 20:23 |
| oriba | bin_bash: epistomology | 20:24 |
| invisivel | neither me nor many. And do you understand medicine? | 20:24 |
| oriba | bin_bash: epistemology | 20:24 |
| Artysto | oriba: good point | 20:24 |
| bin_bash | Artysto: ya | 20:25 |
| bin_bash | lol @ skipping testing | 20:25 |
| invisivel | who here in channel knows about medicine ? | 20:25 |
| bin_bash | it'll be interesting to see how that plays out Artysto, or rather, what the west is able to find out about how it plays out | 20:26 |
| Artysto | invisivel: would you agree that most doctors are better informed than us? Well hate to break to ya, they too seem to have taken the bait, they too believe that the virus is real | 20:26 |
| bin_bash | the virus is real. | 20:27 |
| invisivel | yes but we don't see them in the media talking about the virus. And we will never know if these doctors that appear in the media are corrupt or not. Everything is possible, right? | 20:27 |
| Artysto | bin_bash: Exactly rest of the world can only guess the outcomes the Chinese will not be forthcoming about the results of the vaccine being used | 20:27 |
| bin_bash | i dont understand people who think it isn't real | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Barack Obama praises John Lewis as 'a man of pure joy and unbreakable perseverance' – live: Former US president speaks at funeral for Lewis in Atlanta Trump calls for election delay, claiming mail-in votes will bring fraud Former presidential candidate Herman Cain dies from Covid-19 Economy suffers worst quarter since second [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0NilG9 | 20:27 |
| oriba | is invisivel real? | 20:27 |
| Artysto | Haha | 20:27 |
| invisivel | no one is ahaha we are traveler souls :D | 20:28 |
| bin_bash | seriously though, how can anyone actually think it's not real? | 20:28 |
| Artysto | invisivel: just curious and mean no disrespect. How old are you? Are you a student or of working age? | 20:28 |
| Tre45son | Has anyone heard any updates about Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross who was hospitalized almost two weeks ago for “non-COVID” reasons? | 20:29 |
| Artysto | invisivel: You can not answer if you dont wish to.. | 20:29 |
| invisivel | what does age have to do with what I think? Is my opinion worth less than yours regarding the virus? | 20:29 |
| invisivel | but no problem 49 | 20:29 |
| oriba | not to late to learn some medicine basics | 20:30 |
| invisivel | you know about medicine oriba ? | 20:30 |
| LjL | Tre45son, don't contribute surprising information while then refusing to back it up | 20:30 |
| Artysto | invisivel: No its not worth less than anything just curious about the age distribution of people in this chat room | 20:30 |
| LjL | message me if you're willing to do that from now on | 20:31 |
| oriba | invisivel: not much, but enough for practical purposes regarding the pandemy | 20:31 |
| invisivel | ok | 20:31 |
| LjL | invisivel, the virus exists and the fact you don't know anyone who has seen ICU bed usage surge and overwhelm hospitals is your problem, not reality's problem | 20:31 |
| LjL | in this channel i don't want to see random conspiracy theories | 20:32 |
| LjL | the virus very compellingly exists | 20:32 |
| invisivel | if nobody understands medicine, we have to trust those who understand it, right? even if they are lying to us? | 20:32 |
| oriba | there exist people who understand medicine | 20:33 |
| LjL | "understanding medicine" isn't a yes/no thing | 20:33 |
| invisivel | LjL since you believe in the virus can you explain to me how the first contagion of animals to humans came about? | 20:33 |
| LjL | invisivel, no, because we don't know that yet | 20:34 |
| invisivel | ok we believe in the virus but we are not sure of its infection. So we created a circus right? | 20:35 |
| bin_bash | invisivel: do you think just because something exists we instantly have every piece of information about it? | 20:35 |
| LjL | stop calling it a "circus" based on nothing | 20:35 |
| LjL | do you know how life on earth came about exactly? should we doubt its existence? | 20:35 |
| LjL | this channel, as i say, is no playing ground for conspiracy theories | 20:35 |
| LjL | calling what happened a "circus" is offensive to just about everyone who had to deal with it (which is just about everyone, to some extent) | 20:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Physical exercise as a tool to help the immune system against COVID-19: an integrative review of the current literature (80 votes) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32728975/ | https://redd.it/i0m3pp | 20:37 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Exhaled breath is a significant source of SARS-CoV-2 emission (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.31.20115154v1#disqus_thread | https://redd.it/i0nffe | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Spain reports biggest rise in daily infections since lockdown lifted in June: Spain reports 1,229 new infections on Thursday , France rules out full lockdown despite rise in cases; Japan sees record high for new cases for second day in a row → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 20:56 |
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| LjL | that above is one more study pointing towards airborne transmission | 21:08 |
| LjL | i believe airborne transmission is very likely, but the last study on "people must wear mask" looked like a joke, not sure if it was retracted | 21:09 |
| tinwhiskers | I think we're way past "very likely". | 21:14 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, not according to some voices that are loud and listened-to enough | 21:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Herman Cain dies after battle with virus; McDonald's seeks advice from Mayo Clinic → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 21:16 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, and the virus is a hoax | 21:16 |
| tinwhiskers | hydroxychloroquine is a magic cure and masks don't work and should be ignored | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | wow, huge earthquake going on here | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Still going after 30 seconds | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | come on Brainstorm | 21:17 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, literally zero tweets about it | 21:21 |
| LjL | maybe get people on there to use twitter | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe it was close but fairly small | 21:21 |
| LjL | some people are mentioning an earhquake in california, but they always are | 21:22 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 21:22 |
| oriba | maybe also just a fake! ;-) | 21:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, 5.8, did you get it? | 21:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Spain reports biggest rise in daily infections since lockdown lifted in June: Spain reports 1,229 new infections on Thursday , France rules out full lockdown despite rise in cases; Japan sees record high for new cases for second day in a row → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 21:35 |
| LjL | well at least now your earthquake, which was detected by quakenotices and Brainstorm did *not* seemingly misparse the timestamp, unlike other events from quakenotices, gives me a chance to try to figure out what the hell's wrong with the regex | 21:38 |
| LjL | it would help better if i had added the debug print i thought to add, then forgot | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. No. I didn't get it. | 21:40 |
| LjL | oh | 21:42 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well it tells you depending on a radius that's determined by the magnitude, with a naive formula that decides whether you felt it | 21:43 |
| LjL | evidently the formula's been naive this time! | 21:43 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, 🌎 Earthquake! 5.8 M tremor, registered by GFZ, occurred 11 minutes ago (19:16:48 UTC), during daytime, Tonga Islands (-18.88, -173.47) likely felt 240 km away (in Neiafu, Leimatu'a…) by 5200 people (www.seismicportal.eu) | 21:43 |
| LjL | also i think i know why my regex is messed up but i'm not sure which other regex is wrongly "intercepting" those events instead | 21:44 |
| LjL | i really need to print the regex that's being used in the logs | 21:44 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 21:44 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, at a minimum my heuristic should also include the depth, since deeper earthquakes are felt in a wider area, but instead i ignore that completely (although the depth isn't reported in the above report so it wouldn't have helped this time) | 21:49 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, anyway i can change the rules so that it reports anything in the Tonga Flinn-Engdahl region but then it may report stuff that's in high seas | 21:49 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i have you arbitrarily at (-21.175, -175.196) | 21:50 |
| LjL | which is not too close to those coordinates in the epicenter | 21:50 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. what distance from that point does it report for? | 21:51 |
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| tinwhiskers | LjL: Could you put me down as -18.715,-173.993? The location you currently have is in the capital about 300km away. | 21:54 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes i could. the distance it reports from is variably depending on magnitude, i can give you the formula but i don't even remember which corner of the web i found it on | 21:55 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, it was pretty small, so that's fair | 21:56 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, return min(800.0, math.exp(self.mag*0.666 + 1.6)) | 21:56 |
| LjL | in kilometers | 21:56 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, that would have been 235km, which would have picked it up | 21:58 |
| LjL | well actually it's more complicated than that but only if there are previous reports | 21:58 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah 5.8 is not *that* small | 21:58 |
| LjL | plus i think at some point in the code i add a bonus 50km | 21:58 |
| LjL | also i'm looking at that formula and i'm not sure what it even means now -.- | 21:58 |
| tinwhiskers | it was 60 km away from me | 21:59 |
| LjL | i think i might have mangled the formula at some point... | 21:59 |
| LjL | with math.exp it's e^something, why would that result in a plausible radius | 22:00 |
| tinwhiskers | would have been fine if my location was as indicated | 22:00 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't know. Probably some approximation you ran across somewhere. | 22:00 |
| LjL | yeah when i try putting magnitudes in the formula it results in somewhat plausible felt radiuses | 22:01 |
| LjL | so i'll keep it :P | 22:01 |
| LjL | science! | 22:01 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, even if it considered depth it would still be a guesstimate, because in reality the felt radius varies depending on things like the type of terrain between you and the epicenter, the type of terrain you are on, and trivial things like the floor you are at | 22:02 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. | 22:02 |
| LjL | also, earlier today i added a thing that messages "Please tell me whether or not you felt this earthquake! Knowing this will help improve my algorithms." to people after the main report | 22:03 |
| LjL | and i just got the first "did not feel them" in response | 22:04 |
| tinwhiskers | how does one respond? | 22:04 |
| LjL | free form | 22:04 |
| LjL | i'll just read it manually :P | 22:04 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, ok | 22:04 |
| tinwhiskers | erm. I felt it! | 22:04 |
| LjL | :D | 22:04 |
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| pyna | rip herman cain, victim of the hoax china virus he picked up at tulsa rally | 22:11 |
| pyna | oh an i was just on this shithead in the hearings yesterday, where he was breathing all over everyone and be a horrible gompers https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/30/capitol-hill-angry-gohmert-coronavirus-388230 | 22:14 |
| pyna | s/just on/just hating on/ | 22:14 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Herman Cain dies after battle with virus; McDonald's seeks advice from Mayo Clinic → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 22:25 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus live updates: Herman Cain dies, Sun Belt shows 'signs of progress': The coronavirus has infected more than 17 million people around the world as of Thursday, killing at least 667,808 people. → https://is.gd/rFB7WT | 22:44 |
| de-facto | tinwhiskers, afaik in Japan there was a 7.3M somewhere (in proximity to coast), something like that, yesterday | 22:56 |
| de-facto | so around the pacific plate ... hmm California anyone? | 23:04 |
| LjL | de-facto, no there wasn't, the early warning was entirely wrong on the magnitude, it was more like 5.8 | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: lockdown tightened in parts of northern England with ban on indoor meetings with friends → https://is.gd/8miJqS | 23:04 |
| de-facto | oh ok got such a message from Synapse storm | 23:05 |
| de-facto | heh thats good, they seem to take it serious @ Northern England | 23:08 |
| LjL | de-facto, it also gave follow-up messages saying the magnitude was lowered! | 23:10 |
| de-facto | yes you are correct, just looked it up again | 23:12 |
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