libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2020-08-01

LjLin Italy, Trenitalia is apparently planning to go back to full train occupancy :00:05
LjL:(00:05
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groto[m]does anyone have info on what poor ppl who can't afford takeout do to self isolate?00:35
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ap4lmtreeFauci and Birx now recommend face shields or goggles in addition to masks.  today or so00:49
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LjLap4lmtree, it's been recommended (maybe not by them) for a long time, it's just impractical00:53
LjLbut some workers, like my pharmacy's people, have had face shields for a long time00:54
LjLactually they had face shields at first and then they switched to goggles00:54
LjLi think it's a good idea to wear wide sunglasses or clear glasses if you can00:54
LjLor goggles if you don't care about being stared at00:54
LjLgoggles may be uncomfortable, but on the other hand, unless your mask has a very good fit, it's likely to fog your glasses, so...00:55
LjLalthough i actually use my glasses to get a better fit for my mask, push them down onto the nose tip00:55
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LjLBrainstorm never posts anything from Lancet but the one time it does, it made very sure to post something unrelated to COVID01:02
ap4lmtreethose two people said this for the rest of the population becasue covid-19 is becoming more omnious and out of control01:05
ap4lmtreethis is a change point01:05
LjLthey also get consistently ignored by the very executive they advise, though...01:06
LjLso not sure they'll effect a practical change01:06
LjLi think, at least with the kind of availability and reliability of face masks there is in italy, goggles would be overkill. mask failure is more likely than infection via the eyes01:07
LjLbut of cousre i can only be *cough* eyeballing this01:07
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LjLWHO officials also warned on Thursday that the coronavirus may cause long-term health problems, citing recent research out of Germany that suggests COVID-19 patients may suffer lingering heart issues after recovering from the disease. 01:33
LjL“When we say that the vast majority of people have a mild illness and recover, that is true. But what we cannot say, at the moment, is what are the potential long-term impacts of having had that infection,” Mike Ryan, the executive director of WHO’s Health Emergencies Program, said during a news briefing. 01:33
LjLLOL, the WHO is never wrong. by the way they say things, they are just never wrong01:33
LjL"hey, it's true that it's 'mild' and that people 'recover'. but we never said the definition of 'recovery' excludes potentially lifelong heart damage!"01:34
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ap4lmtreemist or droplets in the air can hit the eye01:41
ap4lmtreethere is no studies or numbres of tranmission and receiving it throught he eye rather than mouth or nose01:41
ap4lmtreeis that not the concern?01:41
MMAPUNCHDoes anyone know of any studies on COVID-19 infection via contaminated food?01:47
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ap4lmtreedo you think covid-19 fatigue (syndrome)  might be like lyme disease fatigue?01:57
ap4lmtreeand last as long01:57
LjLi have no idea, but i don't think anybody else really does either02:04
LjLyes, i guess the fact we have no clue how actually common the eye is as an infection route is a concern02:04
LjLMMAPUNCH, last i heard, occurrence of that had not been confirmed at all (but i probably heard that from the WHO so fwiw)02:05
MMAPUNCHyeah from what I've been researching there is no evidence that it is foodborne02:06
MMAPUNCHbut there also isnt evidence that it ISNT foodborne02:06
LjLbut also no evidence that it's not. if i were to order food, i'd pick food that i can/should reheat02:07
MMAPUNCHyeah for the past ~6 months I only had takeout once and I reheated it02:07
MMAPUNCHbut I've been going nuts about having some sushi LjL02:08
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MMAPUNCHI thought we'd have more studies out on whether foodborne transmission is possible by now... seems like there is none though02:08
PlanckWalkI haven't seen studies either.  It's not the sort of thing that's really testable without infecting real people.02:11
ap4lmtreewhat percent of people who recovered from SARS covid have long term fatigue02:11
MMAPUNCHPlanckWalk I would think they would be able to simulate the effect of stomach acids/bile on the virus at least02:12
PlanckWalkOh, it will definitely die in the stomach02:12
LjLstudies on live virus are dangerous and there really aren't so many of them out there02:13
LjLeven basic studies on airborne transmission are... basic02:13
PlanckWalkThe question is whether it can infect respiratory tract before it gets down there.02:13
LjLand fraught with uncertainties on whether the machines emitting virus emit it similarly to real people02:13
MMAPUNCHyeah 02:13
LjLbesides, when authorities like the WHO or the EU say since there have been no confirmed cases of foodborne transmission, it's very unlikely that it can be gotten through food, i suspect that's a big venue of study funding that disappears instantly02:14
PlanckWalkYep, and whether water/saline/whatever fluids they use are similar enough to mucus/saliva/etc02:14
MMAPUNCHso it seems like sushi is a "no go" for now :(02:14
LjLMMAPUNCH, make your own sushi :P02:15
PlanckWalkI'd avoid cold foods prepared by someone else02:15
MMAPUNCHI dont have the sushi grade salmon to make my own LjL02:15
LjLbut also, what is your risk acceptance? do you walk outside with only a mask but without goggles (just picking this up from earlier since Fauci recommended them)?02:15
MMAPUNCHyeah no goggles for me but I do wear glasses02:16
PlanckWalkI'd be surprised if the chance of transmission was high, but nobody really knows02:16
MMAPUNCHlol02:16
MMAPUNCHglasses > no glasses is better protection I am guessing02:16
MMAPUNCHlol02:16
LjLso am i02:18
LjLit's hard to reason about these things where we're basically talking about the guesstimate change *of there being a significant chance*02:18
LjLit's a bit too meta for my brain02:18
MMAPUNCHthe cases situation in my area is somewhat under control it seems02:19
LjLalso i can't type chance without typing change instead like half of the time02:19
LjLthat's another variable yeah02:19
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MMAPUNCHThe sushi place I was going to go to would be in a nearby town that hasn't had any new cases in 10 days02:19
LjLspray isopropyl on the sushi02:20
LjLdisclaimer: don't do that02:20
MMAPUNCHlol02:20
MMAPUNCHput sushi in the oven02:20
MMAPUNCH=culinary experiment02:20
LjLyou could probably do worse02:21
MMAPUNCHthing is there are ACE2 receptors in the intestines too02:22
MMAPUNCHanother variable02:22
LjLyeah but that would mean it's not been destroyed by the stomach acids02:22
LjLwhich seems unlikely to me02:22
LjLthey *did* find viral RNA in the guts... well at least in the stool02:22
de-factoafaik there were some headlines about China stating something like it suspected reimport of the virus via salmon shipments. afaik when WHO was asked about that in press conference they downplayed that hypothesis but also said its unknown yet has to be investigated further. that was mid June or such afaik02:22
LjLbut that may have been from people who had it circulating in the blood02:23
LjLwell, if i had to guess on *one* food vector... frozen fish consumed raw would certainly come to mind02:23
de-factoalso about those stomach acids: afaik other CoVs are known to primary infect the gastrointestinal tract in animals, so not so sure if all CoVs get inactive in stomach or infected earlier in the throat or such02:24
LjLor frozen anything consumed raw, for that matter. or just frozen anything, if someone handles it without washing their hands etc02:24
MMAPUNCHde-facto i heard about the China salmon thing02:24
MMAPUNCHalso they said the same thing about Shrimp from Peru02:25
MMAPUNCHor another south american country02:25
de-factoidk about if its true or was investigated further, just that their statement made some headlines02:25
LjLbottom line if you worry more than the average person about foorborne infection, sushi does seem like a bad idea02:26
MMAPUNCHI havent had any food prepared outside in 6 months! 02:26
LjLon the plus side there's a TON of nommy cooked foods!02:26
MMAPUNCHother than some cheeseburgers from McDs that I baked02:26
de-factoheating food is quite an obvious idea and makes a lot of sense02:26
de-factoor washing vegetables with soap then pealing them etc02:27
MMAPUNCHany suggestions LjL?02:27
LjLde-facto, said someone several dozens millennia ago02:27
de-factoindeed02:27
MMAPUNCHyeah I soap my veggies, disinfect the packaging of groceries or throw it out right away02:28
LjLMMAPUNCH, i'm bad at coming up with things, but i was just thinking of samosas yesterday for some reason02:28
MMAPUNCHnice I had some not too long ago02:28
ap4lmtreei need som egoggles to protect me02:28
de-factoalso washing hands when switching categories of potential contaminated things might make sense to compartmentalize spread via touching02:28
ap4lmtreewhat kind of face fheidl do you guys use?02:28
ap4lmtreei will get 2-3 goggles and wash them02:29
MMAPUNCHI should get a face shield02:29
ap4lmtreeyes02:30
LjLi would get goggles02:30
LjLbut really i will get neither, and just use my glasses02:30
ap4lmtreefauci and brix recommend them for the rest of population yesterday because now is an inflaction point that everything is going to change02:30
MMAPUNCHdont think I can wear my glasses under the goggles lol02:30
de-factosafest thing would be to stay away from other humans as much as possible though02:30
LjLthat may be an issue02:30
ap4lmtreehttps://www.ebay.com/itm/Protective-Eyewear-Clear-Lens-Safety-Goggles-Over-Glasses-Lab-Work-Eye-USA-STOCK/353147658837?hash=item52393da255:g:9BkAAOSwg~RfEO3202:31
LjLap4lmtree, i haven't read about Brix, but Fauci went a bit short of "recommending them for the rest of the population"02:31
de-factoin which scenarios?02:31
LjLhe specifically said that while you could do worse than using them if you have them available, they are not specifically recommended02:31
ap4lmtreethose are basic goggles, they aren not sporty like snow board goggles. i would like 3x sporty ones, but i guses i will get something like that ebay url02:31
MMAPUNCHnice goggles seems like a decent price too02:31
MMAPUNCHwhat is Brix?02:32
ap4lmtreei get fastfood like wendys and taco bell for my dad. he keeps on liking me to get ice tea or gatorade with his food, but i will have to stop doing that and maybe confront him because covid can spread through liquid and soda fountain02:32
ap4lmtreei have to get him ice tea in a bottle from supermarket02:33
LjLBirx02:33
LjLOur European visitors are important to us.02:33
LjLThis site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws.02:33
MMAPUNCHyeah in the bottle should be fine02:33
LjLDear American news sites,02:33
MMAPUNCHGDPR lol02:33
LjL  kindly stop fucking saying that your European visitors are important to you, when in fact what you mean is exactly the opposite.02:34
LjLFuck you, dearlt,02:34
LjL  LjL02:34
MMAPUNCHit really isnt hard to implement GDPR compliance02:34
LjLjust don't track people? :P02:34
MMAPUNCHwhy arent you sleeping first of all02:35
LjLbecause it's not 6am yet02:36
MMAPUNCHI was living in the EU too up until March when I decided to come back home02:37
MMAPUNCHnot sure when I will be able to go back02:37
LjLnot soon if it were up to me!02:38
LjL#nothingpersonal02:38
MMAPUNCHnot soon for sure02:38
MMAPUNCHlower case counts here though!02:39
MMAPUNCHcompared to a lot of the EU02:39
LjLon the other hand, Europe is about to have a big second wave, so02:39
LjLwhere were you living?02:39
MMAPUNCHsomewhere in eastern europe02:40
MMAPUNCHI am in Canada now02:41
LjLoh02:45
LjLif you're on the US then i cautiously retract my "not soon if it were up to me" pronouncement02:45
LjLin, also02:45
MMAPUNCHnot US lol :P02:46
de-factoLjL, unfortunately it looks like your statement about EU going to have a second wave is quite real, the countries not showing some signs of a second increase are the minority it seems02:47
de-factoDANG :///02:47
LjL:(02:47
de-factohoping the politicians wont stick their heads in the sand for too long and go ahead and fucking act on this early wink of a problem arising before its too late, the data already shows some point in the past... what would that be like 2 weeks or so?02:50
de-factoincubation + testing + reporting time?02:51
LjLyeah, several weeks seems plausible based on how long italy's lockdown took to show any effect on the data02:53
LjLbut de-facto, we can't completely ignore the economic aspect either. GDP has gotten completely slaughtered by the first lockdown02:53
MMAPUNCHare masks mandatory in most large cities in the EU?02:53
LjLthey are not mandatory outdoors in italy02:54
LjLthey were mandatory in lombardy, but that law expired02:54
LjLthey are mandatory indoors, though02:54
MMAPUNCHI see02:54
MMAPUNCHmask compliance here in Canada has been pretty high but they are not mandatory outdoors either02:54
LjLthe UK just made them mandatory indoors and compliance seems so-so02:55
MMAPUNCHand it seems to have significantly stopped the spread02:55
de-factoLjL, yeah and also people wont comply with contagion efforts that easily anymore i fear, for example in some eastern European countries they went for protesting when the government tried to raise containment measures02:55
LjLmask compliance is probably 100% in places like supermarkets here, people will yell at you if you're without a mask02:55
LjLit might have been less than 100% on milan's public transport, since they handed out a bunch of €400 fines one day02:55
LjL(probably just on that one day, to set an example... can never do things consistently, sigh)02:56
de-factoi am surprised from what i read about UK, seems they finally act proactive? that would be really beneficial learning from mistakes02:56
LjL"proactive"? they've waited until they had more deaths than italy to say "oh uhm maybe we should have mandatory masks in shops from next month"02:56
MMAPUNCHSo sad to see that very few countries were proactive 02:56
LjLand the *personnel* in the shops does NOT have to wear masks02:56
MMAPUNCHmadness...02:57
de-factohmmm02:57
LjLwhich is not only bad for the personnel, but also bad for general compliance, because if i am a dickhead who won't comply and an employee tells me off, and they are NOT wearing a mask, well, i'll just say "fuck off, you're not wearing one?!"02:57
LjLand not even be so wrong02:57
MMAPUNCHthat doesnt make any sense02:57
LjLMMAPUNCH, when the UK makes less sensible decisions than Italy you know it's time for a fresh new government02:57
MMAPUNCHI want to move to New Zealand once this is done02:58
LjLbut then elections are themselves trouble, so i dunno :\02:58
de-factoyeah and worst thing is personnel spends most time with customer contact, much bigger spread potential than a single customer02:58
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MMAPUNCHschools reopening is a bit frightening too...02:58
LjLde-facto, yes, at the supermarket here, personnel are mostly wearing FFP2, although i saw some with just surgicals, and there are also plexiglas panes that have been installed at the cash desks02:58
LjLthe cashiers also wear gloves for what it's worth02:59
de-factoyup same thing here02:59
LjLgloves are required on milan's public transport, which i find a bit silly02:59
MMAPUNCHI haven't seen many people wearing FFP2 outside of a healthcare setting02:59
LjLpeople who know how to benefit from gloves will wear them on their own accord; those who don't will just toss them onto the street and then the coast guard has found a surge of masks and plastic gloves in the sea02:59
LjLMMAPUNCH, it's not so easy/cheap to *get* an FFP2 ;(03:00
de-factogloves, hmm maybe even counterproductive if people dont wash them, here they provide disinfection stations in front of stores03:00
de-factoso people could frequently sanitize their hands 03:00
LjLmany are really KN95s emergency-approved as FFP2, and there are indications that KN95 and also N95 from China are not very protective03:00
LjLbut the main alternative in Italy is using these price-capped 50 cent masks which are really coming from fuck knows where, all sorts of factories have been repurposed to make them03:01
LjLsome are surgical-like, with three layers of supposedly the proper materials, but some are basically just thin cloth03:01
MMAPUNCHI ordered some 640 thread cotton masks that have a filter compartment03:01
LjLand by cloth i really mean... paper03:01
MMAPUNCHwith alleged HEPA filters lol03:01
LjLuh03:01
LjLi guess as long as it's a filter it's better than no filter03:02
de-factodepends on what you do and where03:02
MMAPUNCHIt also has 7 layers of cotton lol03:02
LjLO.o03:03
LjLsounds breathable03:03
MMAPUNCHsorry 2 layers of the mask and the 3 layer HEPA filter03:04
de-factoe.g. if you do physically demanding work you need masks with less breathing resistance, if you are in high risk environment with lots of aerosol you need denser filters to lower infection risk to reasonable levels03:04
de-factoso those two requirements collide in meat production plants...03:04
de-factojust saying03:04
LjLhmm03:06
MMAPUNCHI only go to grocery stores03:06
MMAPUNCHIt sucks that ventilation hasn't been improved in most public spaces03:10
LjLretrofitting UV lamps if you have air-recirculating HVACs seems like a good idea03:11
LjLbut good ideas like this may need to be mandated to actually happen on a large scale ;(03:11
de-factoactually just putting a fan there would even make it more dangerous, e.g. if someone sneezes into that airflow, but removing the air and replacing it with fresh from outdoors or HEPA filtered (such as in airplanes) would make it more safe03:11
LjLand then there'd probably not be enough qualified fitters!03:11
MMAPUNCHwhat about ceiling fans de-facto03:12
LjLde-facto, airplanes apparently replace the whole cabin air at a *very* high rate03:12
MMAPUNCHI think it was once every 4-5 minutes in airplanes03:12
de-factobtw that fan thing is not just a guess, i think there were some Chinese studies in a restaurant where a fan did blow aerosols much further than physical distancing03:12
LjLMMAPUNCH, i don't remember the exact figure i saw but yeah, it was on that order03:13
LjLde-facto, let's also remember physical distancing as recommended by the WHO is 1m03:13
de-factoalso in the meat processing plants re-circulating air conditioning was in use blowing infectious aerosols at 10 °C all over the place03:13
LjLone. meter.03:13
LjLas recommended by the WHO, and, sadly, as implemented by Italy03:13
de-factoafaik there were some infection chains found with something like 8m distance or so03:13
LjLi'm hardly surprised03:13
MMAPUNCHIs it still 1m?03:14
LjLit doesn't take many studies to realize that whether it's cough and sneezes or even just breathing, it travels farther than 1m03:14
LjLwell, it's still 1m in Italy, honestly i haven't looked at WHO guidelines since the past... two weeks?03:14
MMAPUNCHyeah its hard to still take them seriously03:15
MMAPUNCHits 2m in Canada03:15
de-facto1 m is definitely much too close, are some politicians trying to trade for a compromise with the virus again? 03:15
MMAPUNCHI think anything higher than 2-3m it would be virtually impossible to abide by03:16
LjLde-facto, i do want to point out that "some politicians" are just following WHO guidelines though03:16
de-factoafaik in Germany its 1.5m which is still too close imho, but oh well :/03:16
de-factoyeah 03:16
MMAPUNCHI overheard my neighbor listening to some "Covid isnt real" YouTube videos by dr. clown fuck in her backyard03:18
de-factohopefully when more people are wearing masks and air hygiene is taken seriously containment will become more efficient03:18
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LjLde-facto, but meanwhile, we'll have to survive a second wave physically, psychologically and economically03:18
MMAPUNCHyou would think less people would believe in these conspiracies the more cases there are03:18
LjLand on an unrelated note, there have been rumors that Lombardy is allocated only 200k flu vaccines this year when they have about 2.5m elderly to vaccinate (even if you don't count others who want it)03:19
LjLit may not be true but it does seem possible that pharma companies are focusing on COVID efforts and producing less flu vaccine even though Fauci and friends i'm sure have said a thousand times it's very important to get a flu shot especially this year03:20
LjLMMAPUNCH, well i was thinking earlier, in this channel, or in the other one, we haven't actually had a single person claiming to be or have been a COVID patients, unless my memory is even worse than i think03:20
LjLif i were a conspiracy kinda person i'd say CONSPIRACY!03:20
MMAPUNCHI never got a flu shot before :(03:20
LjLme neither03:20
LjLi've never gotten a COVID shot before either, it's going to be a little scary, but i suspect i'm gonna have it anyway!03:21
MMAPUNCHbut I am sure at least some people know of someone who was infected03:21
MMAPUNCHdepending on location I guess03:21
LjLyeah03:21
de-factowe got some, they just did not stay, probably because we scared them away with discussing the dangers etc03:21
LjLi know the GP of the place i'm currently in was infected, and barely made it03:21
LjLalthough i met him driving today, he waved hello03:21
LjLsome people have good memory03:21
LjLalthough i *do* end up in his office roughly every summer03:22
LjLde-facto, hm :(03:22
MMAPUNCHthats scary, I went to the optometrist not too long ago03:22
LjLi probably wasn't there, but i see why they might get scared03:22
MMAPUNCHit seemed pretty safe though. I think its been 2 weeks 8)03:22
LjLi see this channel as, ideally, also a support place for patients or just people who are scared03:22
LjLbut the discussion / posted studies and news probably don't help with that03:22
LjLso it's never really acted as that03:22
LjLMMAPUNCH, afaik he got it from someone who later did die03:23
LjLi also know people on the internet who know people who've had it, just no one who's actually had it themselves03:23
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LjLyes, this. hi support group03:24
de-factoyeah its difficult support yes but not medical advice from a bunch of internet nerds and since all those studies were discussed there would be a lot of temptation to go with try this and that and maybe also that... which would be dangerous so ...03:24
de-factodiscussing studies is much less dangerous, because its done out of curiosity and hardly can be misinterpreted as advice or such, its out of common interest about the latest news and research and all involved more or less know that its a long way to medical treatment for an in vitro study or even an in vivo proof of concept etc03:26
MMAPUNCHinternet nerds?? speak for yourself!03:27
MMAPUNCH /s03:27
de-factoyes i am :)03:28
de-factook did not want to offend anyone with that term, what i mean is that identities in IRC are not verifiable03:29
LjLdefinitely not medical advice03:31
LjLbut it says in the channel entrymsg that we cannot offer medical advice :P03:32
LjLhowever there's a lot of support that can be given without doing that03:32
LjLmutual support groups in general wouldn't exist if you always had to have a psychiatrist or a psychologist around, or i dunno, a doctor to say things about drugs and alcohol when you're in an addiction support group03:33
de-factoyes thats true03:35
MMAPUNCHgonna make butter chicken tomorrow with homemade naan bread03:39
MMAPUNCHas a tribute to not having sushi03:39
LjL:)03:41
de-factoactually its pretty neat that people from all around the world come together here :)03:47
LjLincluding from Tonga which has zero cases!03:50
de-factoindeed :D03:50
MMAPUNCHwho is from Tonga??03:51
LjLno one, actually03:52
LjLbut someone is currently living there03:52
MMAPUNCHI am moving there03:52
BrainstormUpdates for St. Martin: +4 cases (now 53) since 6 days ago — World: +7 cases (now 17.8 million) since 45 minutes ago — New Zealand: +2 cases (now 1562) since 2 days ago — St. Barthelemy: +1 cases (now 8) since 6 days ago03:54
MMAPUNCHNew Zealand is the place to be 04:07
tinwhiskersMMAPUNCH: yes, I'm from NZ and living in Tonga so either way, pretty fortunate in terms of covid.04:34
MMAPUNCHamazing, glad to hear04:35
tinwhiskersDid anyone miss the news that Vietnam broke its winning streak and had its first covid deaths :-(04:35
tinwhiskersI've just got back from an amazing kayak trip - other than getting horribly sunburnt I came across about 50 manta rays frolicking around on the reef. They're about 3-4 m wide - as big as a car. Amazing! My god the mouths on those things. 04:37
tinwhiskersone of them slapped my kayak as I drifted over. I didn't have any snorkelling gear but I'll see if I can go diving with them next time.04:38
tinwhiskersI've heard about them and been searching for the exact spot for a while and now that I've found them and it's obviously the right season I'll be back out as soon as my sunburn gets better.04:39
tinwhiskersWow, looking at my track I paddled 9.2 km. No wonder I got sunburnt.04:52
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +745 cases (now 68751), +1 deaths (now 9841) since 22 hours ago — World: +3306 cases (now 17.8 million), +113 deaths (now 683704) since an hour ago — Bolivia: +1555 cases (now 76789), +83 deaths (now 2977) since a day ago — Honduras: +588 cases (now 42014), +25 deaths (now 1337) since a day ago04:54
ap4lmtreeshould i get goggles or a face shield ?  https://www.amazon.com/10-Pack-Reusable-Transparent-Anti-Fog-Adjustable/dp/B087B96NWF05:01
LjLIMO, a face shield won't protect you from tiny aerosol05:04
LjLgoggles that form a seal would, of course together with an effective mask05:04
LjLalso uh why not both?05:04
ap4lmtree what are some good goggles, then05:04
LjLi mean most people really won't be bothered with either thing, but you seem to consider it important, they are not incompatible things to wear.05:05
phantomcircuitap4lmtree, depends on what you're doing05:13
ap4lmtreegoing shopping at the grocery store or target05:14
tinwhiskersI see Fauci was recommending goggles a couple of days back.05:14
tinwhiskers(in addition to a mask)05:14
LjLtinwhiskers, yes, Fauci and Birx both recommended goggles or a face shield, that's why ap4lmtree is obsessed with them now :P05:15
phantomcircuitap4lmtree, you want a mask and goggles, face shield is for like if someones gonna sneeze directly on your face05:15
swift110oh05:18
ap4lmtreethese are more staylist than the more rectangular ones:  https://www.amazon.com/Gateway-Safety-6980-Glasses-Protective/dp/B00FA4RB12/ref=zg_bs_11312320011_105:30
ap4lmtreeill get these: https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DPG82-11-DPG82-11CTR-Concealer-Anti-Fog/dp/B01A12J3GI/05:35
LjLthat's rather prominent05:36
ap4lmtreeamazon is low on stock on some of these items, so it looks like the fauci and birx message spread05:37
LjLin my experience amazon is on on stock of just about everything lately05:44
LjLbut that's italian/european amazon05:44
LjLlow* on stock05:45
swift110hnmm05:45
swift110i will be getting a bike soon05:45
Jigsy%cases UK05:47
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 303181 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 46119 deaths (15.2% of cases) as of 12 hours ago. 16.0 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.05:47
MMAPUNCH%cases Canada05:53
BrainstormMMAPUNCH: In Canada, there have been 116312 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 8935 deaths (7.7% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 4.1 million tests were performed (2.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 8.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data.05:53
jacklswwhat bike?05:53
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: South Korean sect leader arrested for obstructing Covid-19 investigation: Lee Man-hee’s Shincheonji Church of Jesus was at the centre of an outbreak but police say he hid details on members and their movements → https://is.gd/qKZaEp05:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: World news: Coronavirus live news: WHO reports record global daily cases as Victoria announces 397 new cases and three deaths → https://is.gd/r8XvOY06:14
BrainstormUpdates for Kazakhstan: +1289 cases (now 90367) since 23 hours ago — World: +1306 cases (now 17.8 million), +1 deaths (now 683705) since an hour ago — South Korea: +31 cases (now 14336) since a day ago — Haiti: +12 cases (now 7424) since a day ago06:24
BrainstormUpdates for France: +2628 cases (now 213093) since 10 hours ago — World: +5247 cases (now 17.8 million), +24 deaths (now 683729) since 56 minutes ago — Quebec, Canada: +181 cases (now 59312), +1 deaths (now 5674) since a day ago — Ukraine: +1104 cases (now 71404), +20 deaths (now 1717) since a day ago07:09
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Don’t sweat it: Chilean dogs sniff out coronavirus in early stages → https://is.gd/D9mfkv07:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: World news: Coronavirus live news: WHO reports record global daily cases as Victoria announces 397 new cases and three deaths → https://is.gd/r8XvOY07:32
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: China’s coronavirus vaccines leap ahead – but face challenges as virus wanes (80 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02244-1 | https://redd.it/i1gv3x07:49
BrainstormUpdates for Peru: +7243 cases (now 414735), +196 deaths (now 19217) since a day ago — World: +8032 cases (now 17.8 million), +219 deaths (now 683948) since 49 minutes ago — Kyrgyzstan: +494 cases (now 36299), +19 deaths (now 1397) since 7 hours ago — Uzbekistan: +295 cases (now 24304), +2 deaths (now 143) since 9 hours ago07:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fauci warns virus won't disappear, California surpasses 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MMwW2J08:01
BrainstormUpdates for Andhra Pradesh, India: +10376 cases (now 140933), +68 deaths (now 1349) since a day ago — Telangana, India: +5561 cases (now 62703), +39 deaths (now 519) since 4 days ago — Kerala, India: +1816 cases (now 23613), +5 deaths (now 73) since 2 days ago — Tamaulipas, Mexico: +1347 cases (now 16489), +33 deaths (now 1013) since a day ago08:05
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: One of the first ships to resume cruising is having a COVID outbreak (10035 votes) | https://thepointsguy.com/news/covid-outbreak-hurtigruten-norway/ | https://redd.it/i1jasa08:07
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3909 cases (now 17.9 million), +27 deaths (now 683975) since 33 minutes ago — India: +3690 cases (now 1.7 million), +11 deaths (now 36562) since 6 hours ago — Iowa, US: +170 cases (now 44752), +5 deaths (now 872) since 8 hours ago — US: +170 cases (now 4.7 million), +5 deaths (now 156752) since 5 hours ago08:20
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Mexico overtakes UK to have world’s third-most Covid-19 deaths → https://is.gd/hOAGxb08:21
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing u-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY08:31
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Natural selection in the evolution of SARS-CoV-2 in bats, not humans, created a highly capable human pathogen (81 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.28.122366v2 | https://redd.it/i1eyvt08:43
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: How plasma therapy works for Covid-19 patients → https://is.gd/8hy51808:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing u-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY09:10
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Lockdown easing on hold as shielding ends: More than two million vulnerable people can now leave their home for the first time since lockdown began. → https://is.gd/EmtWBf09:20
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus Global Updates, August 1: Mexico surpasses UK, now has third most Covid-19 deaths → https://is.gd/5W3kPt09:29
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: How Italy turned around its coronavirus calamity → https://is.gd/O0X4yD09:49
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Philippines' police have arrested 76,000 people for breaching lockdown as Duterte wages war on COVID-19 just like his war on drugs → https://is.gd/dzBXMW10:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing U-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY10:28
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Face up to it - you will probably all get coronavirus, Jair Bolsonaro tells Brazilians → https://is.gd/TmeNyV10:48
BrainstormUpdates for World: +9083 cases (now 17.9 million), +212 deaths (now 684187) since 2 hours ago — Poland: +658 cases (now 46346), +5 deaths (now 1721) since 23 hours ago — Russia: +5462 cases (now 845443), +95 deaths (now 14058) since a day ago — Indonesia: +1560 cases (now 109936), +62 deaths (now 5193) since a day ago10:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing U-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY10:58
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: CoVaccine HT™ adjuvant potentiates robust immune responses to recombinant SARS-CoV-2 Spike S1 immunisation (80 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.24.220715v1 | https://redd.it/i16i1q11:02
BrainstormUpdates for Philippines: +4878 cases (now 98232), +16 deaths (now 2039) since a day ago — World: +5110 cases (now 17.9 million), +18 deaths (now 684205) since 18 minutes ago — Hong Kong: +125 cases (now 3398), +2 deaths (now 31) since 3 hours ago — Austria: +82 cases (now 21212) since a day ago11:05
BrainstormNew from ProPublica: How a $175 COVID-19 Test Led to $2,479 in Charges: by Marshall Allen ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. This article is co-published with The Texas Tribune, a nonprofit, nonpartisan local newsroom that informs and engages with [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QKLt7G11:17
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing U-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY11:27
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Lockdown easing on hold as shielding ends: More than two million vulnerable people can now leave their home for the first time since lockdown began. → https://is.gd/EmtWBf11:37
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing U-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY11:56
ap4lmtreei dont need goggles unless i have a job in person, right?12:12
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Cruise ship hit by corona: number of cases rise from 4 to 33. Passengers not allowed to fly home. → https://is.gd/OMNt8R12:16
BrainstormNew from ProPublica: Construyó un muro en la frontera con fondos privados. Ahora está en riesgo de desplomarse si no lo reparan.: por Jeremy Schwartz y Perla Trevizo ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. Este artículo se publica en conjunto con The [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vlTaHD12:26
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Pubs in England may have to close to control coronavirus, says Sage adviser → https://is.gd/4qkKmT12:46
BrainstormUpdates for World: +7719 cases (now 17.9 million), +306 deaths (now 684511) since an hour ago — Iran: +2548 cases (now 306752), +216 deaths (now 16982) since 22 hours ago — Bangladesh: +2199 cases (now 239860), +21 deaths (now 3132) since a day ago — Romania: +1225 cases (now 52111), +36 deaths (now 2379) since 22 hours ago12:51
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing U-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY13:05
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Shielding ends for two million in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland → https://is.gd/EmtWBf13:44
BrainstormUpdates for Puerto Rico, US: +1091 cases (now 17872), +6 deaths (now 225) since 22 hours ago — World: +2025 cases (now 17.9 million), +9 deaths (now 684520) since an hour ago — US: +1221 cases (now 4.7 million), +8 deaths (now 156772) since 3 hours ago — Madagascar: +405 cases (now 11273), +1 deaths (now 107) since 23 hours ago13:51
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: From ‘brain fog’ to heart damage, COVID-19’s lingering problems alarm scientists (97 votes) | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists | https://redd.it/i1plof13:51
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Pubs 'may need to shut' to allow schools to reopen → https://is.gd/YgCioh13:54
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vietnam to build 700-bed hospital in 4 days to serve Đà Nẵng outbreak → https://is.gd/vttklr14:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: England rocked by easing U-turn as Australia cases mount: Almost 300,000 new infections on Friday, led by US, Brazil and India; Boris Johnson warns of second lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY14:24
ap4lmtreeso covid is going to spread like "wildfire" now more that schools are going to be open14:37
ap4lmtreetexas and florida will have forced in person school isntead of choice of hybrid or force online14:50
BrainstormUpdates for World: +6397 cases (now 17.9 million), +86 deaths (now 684606) since an hour ago — India: +4859 cases (now 1.7 million), +75 deaths (now 36662) since 2 hours ago — Netherlands: +431 cases (now 54732), +1 deaths (now 6148) since 23 hours ago — Kuwait: +491 cases (now 67448), +6 deaths (now 453) since a day ago14:51
ap4lmtreei guess they changed their mind14:53
ap4lmtreehow can i make sure my parents who are seniors are near first to get a vaccine after healthcare workers?15:38
izthat's like asking how you can make sure you are one of the first people to fly to mars15:41
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Fauci on Coronavirus Misinformation: Virus Is Not a Hoax and Children Are Not Immune (10002 votes) | https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/fauci-on-coronavirus-misinformation-virus-is-not-a-hoax-and-children-are-not-immune/2378159/ | https://redd.it/i1axay16:22
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Shielding ends for two million in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland → https://is.gd/EmtWBf17:31
BrainstormUpdates for World: +51673 cases (now 17.9 million), +879 deaths (now 685485) since 2 hours ago — India: +29354 cases (now 1.7 million), +353 deaths (now 37015) since 2 hours ago — US: +17013 cases (now 4.7 million), +348 deaths (now 157120) since 3 hours ago — Florida, US: +9642 cases (now 480028), +179 deaths (now 7022) since a day ago17:37
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases continue to rise in France and Poland: Vietnamese tourist hotspot of Da Nang to test entire city; Boris Johnson warns of second UK lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY17:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fauci warns virus won't disappear, California surpasses 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MMwW2J18:00
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Japan acted like coronavirus had gone. Now it’s spread everywhere → https://is.gd/wkh2vy18:10
rmonten[m]Good news everyone, my PCR test came back negative :-)18:28
bittersweetsymphthat's great rmonten[m] 18:33
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases continue to rise in France and Poland: Crew onboard Norwegian cruise ship test positive for virus; Vietnamese tourist hotspot Da Nang to test entire city; Boris Johnson warns of second UK lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY18:39
de-factormonten[m], nice congratz, yet still be careful (false negative tests are not uncommon depending on the incubation time) and stay away from others until you feel well again :)19:17
de-facto%title https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/if-youve-been-exposed-to-the-coronavirus/19:19
Brainstormde-facto: From www.health.harvard.edu: If you've been exposed to the coronavirus - Harvard Health19:19
de-factoIf you get the nasal/throat swab or saliva test, you will get a false negative test result:19:20
de-facto1) 100% of the time on the day you are exposed to the virus. (There are so few viral particles in your nose or saliva so soon after infection that the test cannot detect them.)19:20
de-facto2) About 40% of the time if you are tested four days after exposure to the virus. 19:20
de-facto3) About 20% of the time if you develop symptoms and are tested three days after those symptoms started.19:20
de-factoThis possibility of a false negative test result is why anyone who has symptoms that could be due to COVID-19, or has been exposed to someone known to be infected, must isolate even if they test negative for coronavirus.19:20
de-facto%title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-519:21
Brainstormde-facto: From www.nature.com: Temporal dynamics in viral shedding and transmissibility of COVID-19 | Nature Medicine19:21
de-factoPossibly something like Fig1C here I guess19:21
rmonten[m]de-facto: thanks. Yeah it's back to normal covid protocols here, not pre-corona times unfortunately19:21
de-factobetter safe than sorry :)19:22
de-factoanyhow wishing you a quick recovery and that you feel well soon again :)19:26
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: After plummeting, Coronavirus soars back in Midwest → https://is.gd/R6or3419:28
de-factofor me drinking some Green Tea and direct exposure to some sunlight (both in reasonable amounts of course) helped with recovery19:28
rmonten[m]Thanks! I've had liters of tea in all colors already :) doing well now19:37
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases continue to rise in France and Poland: Crew onboard Norwegian cruise ship test positive for virus; Vietnamese tourist hotspot Da Nang to test entire city; Boris Johnson warns of second UK lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY19:38
de-factoglad to hear that :))19:40
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: A School Reopens, and the Coronavirus Creeps In — as more schools abandon plans for in-person classes, one that opened in Indiana this week had to quarantine students within hours. (10014 votes) | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/01/us/schools-reopening-indiana-coronavirus.html | https://redd.it/i1qb8s19:41
de-factohmm quite some tremors around the pacific plate recently... hope will settle down again19:44
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: 'Rapid staff testing' for Covid-19 at hospitals in north-west England → https://is.gd/XmBu1J19:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Who should get the Covid-19 vaccine first? It's way trickier than you might think: Vaccinating nearly 8 billion people won't happen overnight. Bioethicists weigh in on the thorny issue of who should get the vaccine first -- and why. → https://is.gd/726QdG20:07
BrainstormUpdates for World: +47732 cases (now 18.0 million), +1015 deaths (now 686500) since 2 hours ago — India: +16091 cases (now 1.8 million), +388 deaths (now 37403) since 2 hours ago — US: +10839 cases (now 4.7 million), +151 deaths (now 157271) since 2 hours ago — Brazil: +9378 cases (now 2.7 million), +221 deaths (now 92789) since 18 hours ago20:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: cases continue to rise in France and Poland: Crew onboard Norwegian cruise ship test positive for virus; Vietnamese tourist hotspot Da Nang to test entire city; Boris Johnson warns of second UK lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY20:27
BrainstormUpdates for Maldives: +156 cases (now 3949) since a day ago — World: +1293 cases (now 18.0 million), +16 deaths (now 686516) since 34 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +758 cases (now 91332), +7 deaths (now 6457) since 22 hours ago — US: +761 cases (now 4.7 million), +7 deaths (now 157278) since 34 minutes ago20:52
wolframhey guys, what do you think will happen with china after covid erases ?21:33
BrainstormUpdates for World: +8980 cases (now 18.0 million), +139 deaths (now 686655) since 50 minutes ago — US: +7453 cases (now 4.7 million), +99 deaths (now 157377) since 50 minutes ago — Georgia (US), US: +3660 cases (now 190012), +73 deaths (now 3825) since 23 hours ago — Tennessee, US: +2225 cases (now 108184), +7 deaths (now 1067) since 23 hours ago21:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Migration to Australia has fallen off a cliff – will it take the economy with it?: Lower international student numbers amid Covid-19 have hit the education sector hard. It could be just the tip of the iceberg → https://is.gd/d4qmTh22:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian: Coronavirus live: new cases double in Belgium, continue to rise in France and Poland: Crew onboard Norwegian cruise ship test positive for virus; Vietnamese tourist hotspot Da Nang to test entire city; Boris Johnson warns of second UK lockdown. Follow all the developments live → https://is.gd/r8XvOY22:34
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: US New cases of Coronavirus level off coincides with Coronavirus data being sent directly to White House versus CDC (July 15) → https://is.gd/DGJjV822:53
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thousands protested against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu across Israel, demanding he resign over alleged corruption and a resurgence of coronavirus cases. The protests took place at scores of intersections and bridges, where people held banners accusing Netanyahu of "failure" → https://is.gd/6FIRZF23:13
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thousands protested against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu across Israel, demanding he resign over alleged corruption and a resurgence of coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/7K8cYN23:32
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: YMCA says they regret opening summer camp where COVID-19 infections occurred → https://is.gd/Xb8lv123:42

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