| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says U.S. has reached deal with Moderna for 100 million doses of coronavirus vaccine → https://is.gd/o4g4G6 | 00:09 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Texas bars could reopen if situation improves, governor says; Russia first to approve vaccine → https://is.gd/FN0mKo | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +12830 cases (now 410453), +321 deaths (now 13475) since a day ago — World: +66866 cases (now 20.6 million), +1621 deaths (now 744789) since an hour ago — Brazil: +41492 cases (now 3.1 million), +992 deaths (now 103026) since 5 hours ago — US: +10791 cases (now 5.3 million), +261 deaths (now 167458) since an hour ago | 00:21 |
| LjL | %wa population of colombia | 00:30 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Colombia | population): Result: 49.1 million people (world rank: 29th) (2017 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+colombia | 00:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia latest updates: Victorian MP faces grilling over botched hotel quarantine as state's 'mystery cases' rise – live news → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Covid live news: Lebanon hits record daily cases after blast; Russian vaccine must follow safety procedure, says WHO → https://is.gd/bzq4JI | 00:48 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: School nurse in the district with the crowded hallway photo quit over a scarcity of Covid-19 precautions. Rising cases are 'not the validation' she wanted (10104 votes) | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/school-nurse-in-the-district-with-the-crowded-hallway-photo-quit-over-a-scarcity-of-covid-19-precautions-rising-cases-are-not-the-validation-she-wanted/ar-BB17PpWK?ocid=msedgntp | https://redd.it/i7sdx3 | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Florida coronavirus deaths reach another grisly record as state grapples with testing constraints: Florida is one of the states hit hardest by the coronavirus, but daily new cases have appeared to decline in recent days. Testing, however, has fallen even faster. → https://is.gd/NMnzzc | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia latest updates: Victorian MP faces grilling over botched hotel quarantine as state's 'mystery cases' rise – live news → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida reports record single-day jump in deaths; Russia first to approve vaccine → https://is.gd/FN0mKo | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7963 cases (now 20.6 million), +163 deaths (now 744952) since an hour ago — US: +2865 cases (now 5.3 million), +42 deaths (now 167500) since an hour ago — Brazil: +2763 cases (now 3.1 million), +73 deaths (now 103099) since an hour ago — Texas, US: +1141 cases (now 526014), +19 deaths (now 8884) since an hour ago | 01:21 |
| LjL | uhm | 01:25 |
| LjL | "'Reckless and foolish': Why Russia's vaccine has experts alarmed" https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/reckless-foolish-why-russia-s-vaccine-has-experts-alarmed-n1236466 | 01:25 |
| LjL | there was a short interview about their vacine with an Italian epidemiologist who works in America on TV today | 01:26 |
| LjL | she was basically like "yeah well, we can't really know how long the immunity given by that vaccine is, because they started testing only in May" | 01:26 |
| LjL | and that was pretty much the only concern she voiced. she said nothing about safety, in fact if anything she fumbled something about it passing early phase safety trials | 01:26 |
| LjL | it might be interesting to know which place she's working for in the US (they are also developing a vaccine, i know this much) | 01:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia live updates: Victoria announces 410 new Covid-19 cases and 21 deaths – latest → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 01:27 |
| LjL | because honestly i was a bit surprised at her very mild reaction, even before contrasting it to this headline | 01:27 |
| LjL | %wik :en Ilaria Capua | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Ilaria Capua (Rome, April 21, 1966) is a virologist and former Italian politician, best known for her research on influenza viruses, particularly avian influenza, and her efforts promoting open access to genetic information on emerging viruses as part of pre-pandemic preparedness efforts. [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaria_Capua | 01:29 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: If you can punish a teenage girl for spaghetti straps, you can enforce a mask mandate (10436 votes) | https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/if-you-can-punish-a-teenage-girl-for-spaghetti-straps-you-can-enforce-a-mask-mandate/2020/08/10/686bc20a-dafc-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html | https://redd.it/i7zhh9 | 02:09 |
| Amos_Huckleberry | Is this the place to talk about the Kung-Flu scamdemic? | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +8376 cases (now 20.6 million), +408 deaths (now 745360) since an hour ago — Argentina: +7043 cases (now 260911), +219 deaths (now 5004) since 9 hours ago — Fr. Polynesia: +43 cases (now 112) since 13 hours ago — US: +1229 cases (now 5.3 million), +86 deaths (now 167586) since an hour ago | 02:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Strong link found between abnormal liver tests and poor COVID-19 outcomes (81 votes) | https://news.yale.edu/2020/08/06/strong-link-found-between-abnormal-liver-tests-and-poor-covid-19-outcomes | https://redd.it/i7ptd3 | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +1138 cases (now 27938), +9 deaths (now 238) since 23 hours ago — World: +2604 cases (now 20.6 million), +35 deaths (now 745395) since 22 minutes ago — Panama: +1070 cases (now 76464), +16 deaths (now 1680) since a day ago — Libya: +373 cases (now 6302), +7 deaths (now 132) since 23 hours ago | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New Zealand delays election process; Florida reports record single-day jump in deaths → https://is.gd/FN0mKo | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Exposure rate 'similar' in London and Stockholm: Antibody tests suggest similar exposure to the virus in the two capitals, despite different strategies. → https://is.gd/9nzYnA | 04:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Lebanon sees record cases after blast; New Zealand's biggest city heads into lockdown: WHO warns displacement of people in Beirut risks accelerating Covid-19 spread ; four new cases in Auckland, New Zealand ; Australia suffers deadliest day . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 04:13 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Canadians are vandalising cars with US plates in anger over border crossings to escape coronavirus (10105 votes) | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-us-canada-border-cars-covid-19-a9663516.html | https://redd.it/i7v5wj | 04:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus live update Australia: Victoria records 410 new Covid cases and 21 deaths as NSW records 18 new cases → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 04:33 |
| Fighting | Hi there, I guess it's a dumb questions but is there a big cure coming? | 04:35 |
| de-facto | what do you mean by cure? immunization to infection? antiviral drugs blocking essential mechanisms for the virus? immuno-modulative drugs controlling the cytokine inflammation storm? anti-coagulant drugs preventing (micro) thrombosis? | 04:39 |
| de-facto | understanding of the variety of effects and mechanisms will improve over time and more effective drugs will be employed to target specific problems | 04:41 |
| de-facto | interesting will be preventive therapies like a multiplicity of monoclonal antibodies or possibly also those fancy new nanobodies which have sterilizing effects on the virions hence are able to prevent infection of cells | 04:43 |
| de-facto | also immunization by vaccines which are developed in quite a broad variety of approaches, yet their safety and efficacy is still evaluated in clinical trials | 04:44 |
| Fighting | CaptainCringe, well it definitely looks like its been getting worse all over the world, | 04:46 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: An ultra-high affinity synthetic nanobody blocks SARS-CoV-2 infection by locking Spike into an inactive conformation (82 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.08.238469v1 | https://redd.it/i7rvgh | 04:46 |
| de-facto | there ^^ the nanobodies i was talking about | 04:47 |
| tinwhiskers | funky | 04:47 |
| LjL | Fighting, i think a vaccine will come sooner than a "cure". i don't know if a cure will ever come. we may get more fine-tuned antivirals, and also learn to regulate the immune (dys)function better. | 04:49 |
| LjL | what could be tried in terms of drugs we already had has already been tried pretty much, i think | 04:50 |
| LjL | vaccines on the other hand seem promising so far | 04:50 |
| Fighting | so vaccine wise aren't there a few countries working on them LjL ? | 04:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The Russian Vaccine (82 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/11/the-russian-vaccine | https://redd.it/i7yfh4 | 04:52 |
| LjL | Fighting, there are more than a hundred vaccines being worked on | 04:52 |
| LjL | definitely in many different countries | 04:53 |
| LjL | although the "frontrunners" that everyone is looking at are just 4-5 | 04:53 |
| LjL | two are in america, two in china, then there's oxford | 04:53 |
| LjL | italy is doing something with adenovirus too but that's far from a frontrunner i guess, it's just i live there | 04:53 |
| LjL | this russian one, i don't know | 04:54 |
| LjL | let's see if everyone who gets it dies or what :P | 04:54 |
| Fighting | hah its all we can do tbh | 04:57 |
| Fighting | I feel like if countries ,or actually more like "people" work on not spreading it then it would really help.. | 04:58 |
| Fighting | but in u.s for example theirs tons of protests and crap so meh its all too hell lol | 04:58 |
| Fighting | it's getting bad ,but likely will eventually get better, idk either way we'll find out | 04:58 |
| lesmo | %cases Mexico | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | lesmo: In Mexico, there have been 492522 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 53929 deaths (10.9% of cases) as of 19 minutes ago. 1.1 million tests were performed (44.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 05:03 |
| de-facto | Quite a neat overview over the various vaccines in the pipelines: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/29/coronavirus-vaccine-update-june-29 | 05:14 |
| LjL | Fighting, in Italy it still seems to be under control, but just barely | 05:18 |
| LjL | now cases are rising in non-Lombardy | 05:18 |
| LjL | and i don't know if there'll be a mess when schools open in september, but probably | 05:18 |
| iz | happened to israel already | 05:19 |
| LjL | de-facto, oh, just skimming, but that looks nice, covers more than the usual 4-5 vaccines, yet without going into the hundreds, divided by type | 05:20 |
| Fighting | nighty | 05:20 |
| de-facto | yes and he even comments on them | 05:20 |
| tinwhiskers | Things are interesting in NZ now (particularly to me since my return to NZ depends on how they handle it). They're effectively starting from scratch with a new pandemic kinda like back in the day. I wonder if they will manage to suppress it again... | 05:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Russia’s fast-track coronavirus vaccine draws outrage over safety (80 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02386-2 | https://redd.it/i7wtmg | 05:22 |
| LjL | %cases new zealand | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In New Zealand, there have been 1570 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 22 deaths (1.4% of cases) as of a day ago. 498480 tests were performed (0.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Zealand for time series data. | 05:23 |
| de-facto | was it WHO who stated that fighting with this pandemic might take a decade? | 05:23 |
| tinwhiskers | 4 cases in the community now. Auckland has gone back into lockdown. | 05:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Actually Auckland is in Level 3 lockdown and the whole country has been moved to level 2. | 05:24 |
| LjL | de-facto, WHO is good at saying platitudes AND wrong things | 05:24 |
| LjL | telling which is which left to the reader! | 05:24 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well at least that's taking it very seriously | 05:25 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. I think kiwis were quire proud of being covid-free for over 100 days and kinda want to get back to that status :-) | 05:25 |
| tinwhiskers | *quite | 05:25 |
| de-facto | heh and they have assigned levels to their lockdowns, looks quite well organized in comparison to most other countries | 05:26 |
| LjL | well we have "phases" | 05:26 |
| LjL | but nobody understood which they are :P | 05:26 |
| tinwhiskers | there were cases coming in through returning expats... 100 days community-transmission free. | 05:26 |
| de-facto | how could they come in? | 05:27 |
| de-facto | werent they required to do proper quarantine? | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, the details of the levels don't matter much; just pointing out the regional differences. | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, they were, so it's unknown how it got out at this stage. | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | but there had been some quarantine breaches. People suck. | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | someone borke *into* quarantine to catch up with a mate there :-/ | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | a security guard had sex with one of the people in the facility | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | two people were let out early to go to a funeral and tested positive a couple of months ago | 05:28 |
| de-facto | i guess it would be unlikely that it burned "under radar" for 100 days in the community, so some sort of reimport must have evaded quarantine | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, it probably just got out very recently. | 05:29 |
| de-facto | how long is quarantine and how do they get tested at the end? | 05:30 |
| tinwhiskers | 14 days, and not sure about exit testing, but I assume so | 05:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network *: ljl-covid: Add "In the Pipeline" about vaccines → https://is.gd/jdhZ1B | 05:31 |
| de-facto | thats the common time, yet i read in some cases it might take longer to recover | 05:31 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:31 |
| tinwhiskers | anyway, it makes the data interesting to follow again to see how well they can do this time round :-) | 05:32 |
| de-facto | yeah lets hope they contain it and wrestle it down again | 05:33 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.upmc.com/media/news/081020-retesting-for-covid19 | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.upmc.com: Retesting for COVID-19: UPMC Shares its Experience | 05:35 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/infection-control-and-hospital-epidemiology/article/retesting-for-sarscov2-patterns-of-testing-from-a-large-us-healthcare-system/582B4BE74C3C010F9C388DA1AE3E11CC | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.cambridge.org: Re-Testing for SARS-CoV-2: Patterns of Testing from a Large U.S. Healthcare System | Infection Control & Hospital Epidemiology | Cambridge Core | 05:35 |
| de-facto | so it seems people easily can test positive for more than 14 days, if that means they still are infectious is another question though | 05:37 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, but assuming exit testing, the question is can they remain presymptomatic for 14 days. | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | of course if they test positive they are not let out after 14 days. | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | rather pre-postive | 05:40 |
| de-facto | one test is only a momentary picture, might be negative and later positive again | 05:40 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, but if they get an exit test it should be detectable after 14 days | 05:40 |
| de-facto | but yeah PCR is highly sensitive, if it already "flickers off" when viral load is on decline people probably are not really infectious anymore (at least not comparable to how they have been before). Yet I wonder what would happen if someone in such a phase would kiss another person or such (probably quite a bad idea) | 05:43 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, they could have got a false negative. | 05:43 |
| tinwhiskers | I think more likely is the problem of mixing cohorts within the facility | 05:44 |
| de-facto | or if for some reason immune response weakens and the viral load temporarily raises again, could it possibly reach an infectious level? | 05:44 |
| tinwhiskers | a new person could arrive on, say, day 12 of someone else's stay, infect them, and they would pass the exit test because they are not postitive come day 14. | 05:45 |
| de-facto | probably trying too hard to think about unlikely scenarios for the virus to escape quarantine and in the end its something stupid like people secretly sneaking off from it or such | 05:45 |
| tinwhiskers | I've always said that was a glaring loophole. | 05:45 |
| tinwhiskers | People need to be separated into date cohorts in the facility and they are not. | 05:46 |
| de-facto | yes thats also a possible loophole there, makes sense if that would be possible | 05:46 |
| de-facto | heh they should do it like Hilberts hotel in a FIFO like pattern :) | 05:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus live update Australia: Victoria records 410 new Covid cases and 21 deaths as NSW records 18 new cases → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 05:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Global report: New Zealand begins mass testing as Australia records deadliest day: New Zealand to conduct ‘tens of thousands’ of tests; 21 deaths recorded in Australian state of Victoria; US health secretary sceptical of Russia vaccine → https://is.gd/Seuyod | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: New Zealand's biggest city back in lockdown as global deaths pass 740,000: WHO warns displacement of people in Beirut risks accelerating Covid-19 spread ; four new cases in Auckland, New Zealand ; Australia suffers deadliest day . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus live update Australia: Victoria records 410 new Covid cases and 21 deaths as NSW records 18 new cases → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 06:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +24215 cases (now 20.6 million), +1475 deaths (now 746870) since 4 hours ago — Zuid-Holland, Netherlands: +287 cases (now 15471), +1 deaths (now 1313) since 23 hours ago — Mexico: +6686 cases (now 492522), +926 deaths (now 53929) since a day ago — Peru: +6547 cases (now 489680), +225 deaths (now 21501) since a day ago | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: New Zealand's biggest city back in lockdown as global deaths pass 740,000: WHO warns displacement of people in Beirut risks accelerating Covid-19 spread ; four new cases in Auckland, New Zealand ; Australia suffers deadliest day . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus live update Australia: Victoria records 410 new Covid cases and 21 deaths as NSW records 18 new cases → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 07:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cordoba, Colombia: +799 cases (now 11160), +22 deaths (now 874) since 23 hours ago — Santander, Colombia: +720 cases (now 7678), +23 deaths (now 289) since 23 hours ago — Castile y Leon, Spain: +600 cases (now 21994), +2 deaths (now 2802) since 23 hours ago — Baleares, Spain: +358 cases (now 3501) since 23 hours ago | 07:22 |
| ryouma | i am in arizona, and have tooth pain again. dentist cannot see me for meergency until september. don't know what to do. | 08:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Putin's plan for Russia's coronavirus vaccine is at 'high risk of backfiring,' expert says: J. Stephen Morrison of the Center for Strategic and International Studies said Russian President Vladimir Putin is trying to score "a domestic win" with the planned rollout of Russia's vaccine. → https://is.gd/Ddim61 | 08:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK enters recession after GDP plunged by a record 20.4% in the second quarter: The U.K. economy contracted by 20.4% in the second quarter of 2020 as coronavirus-induced lockdowns hammered activity. → https://is.gd/mfeLMM | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus live update Australia: Victoria records 410 new Covid cases and 21 deaths as NSW records 18 new cases → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 08:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK enters recession after GDP plunged by a record 20.4% in the second quarter: The U.K. economy contracted by 20.4% in the second quarter of 2020 as coronavirus-induced lockdowns hammered activity. → https://is.gd/mfeLMM | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: New Zealand's biggest city back in lockdown as global deaths pass 740,000 → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New Zealand delays election process; Florida reports record single-day jump in deaths → https://is.gd/FN0mKo | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK enters recession after GDP plunged by a record 20.4% in the second quarter: The U.K. economy contracted by 20.4% in the second quarter of 2020 as coronavirus-induced lockdowns hammered activity. → https://is.gd/mfeLMM | 09:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: New Zealand's biggest city back in lockdown as global deaths pass 740,000 → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 10:04 |
| ap4lmtree | besides the 1918 pandemic , the worldwide scale of the pandemic is only comparable to world wars in that all of humanity and the world stops or does something? | 10:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus live update Australia: Victoria records 410 new Covid cases and 21 deaths as NSW records 18 new cases → https://is.gd/1v2dXN | 10:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +15165 cases (now 20.6 million), +346 deaths (now 747216) since 3 hours ago — Russia: +5102 cases (now 902701), +129 deaths (now 15260) since 21 hours ago — Philippines: +4211 cases (now 143749), +92 deaths (now 2404) since 21 hours ago — Slovakia: +75 cases (now 2690) since 21 hours ago | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Russia says there is 'major information warfare' against its coronavirus vaccine: Russia has rejected international criticism and skepticism toward its coronavirus vaccine, saying that it's safe and that it works. → https://is.gd/hVHrq6 | 10:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Austria: +194 cases (now 22439), +1 deaths (now 724) since 21 hours ago — World: +916 cases (now 20.6 million), +10 deaths (now 747226) since 19 minutes ago — Poland: +715 cases (now 53676), +9 deaths (now 1830) since 21 hours ago — Estonia: +7 cases (now 2174) since 21 hours ago | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Putin's plan for Russia's coronavirus vaccine is at 'high risk of backfiring,' expert says: J. Stephen Morrison of the Center for Strategic and International Studies said Russian President Vladimir Putin is trying to score "a domestic win" with the planned rollout of Russia's vaccine. → https://is.gd/Ddim61 | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: This Billionaire Governor Keeps Firing Top Officials When He Has a Crisis: by Ken Ward Jr. ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. In the midst of a billion-dollar road-building program last year, West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QZa2ca | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia rejects vaccine criticism; Florida reports record single-day jump in deaths → https://is.gd/FN0mKo | 11:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pope Francis decries pandemic’s culture of individuality → https://is.gd/Mrviau | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Russia says there is 'major information warfare' against its coronavirus vaccine: Russia has rejected international criticism and skepticism toward its coronavirus vaccine, saying that it's safe and that it works. → https://is.gd/hVHrq6 | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: New Zealand's biggest city back in lockdown as global deaths pass 740,000 → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US Virgin Is: +63 cases (now 639) since an hour ago — World: +2172 cases (now 20.6 million), +31 deaths (now 747257) since an hour ago — US: +894 cases (now 5.3 million), +12 deaths (now 167761) since 4 hours ago — California, US: +712 cases (now 586430), +6 deaths (now 10656) since 4 hours ago | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 12:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5514 cases (now 20.6 million), +230 deaths (now 747487) since 20 minutes ago — Bangladesh: +2995 cases (now 266498), +42 deaths (now 3513) since 22 hours ago — Iran: +2510 cases (now 333699), +188 deaths (now 18988) since 22 hours ago — New Zealand: +9 cases (now 1579) since a day ago | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: New Zealand's biggest city back in lockdown as global deaths pass 740,000 → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +1415 cases (now 65177), +43 deaths (now 2807) since 23 hours ago — World: +1415 cases (now 20.6 million), +43 deaths (now 747530) since 20 minutes ago | 12:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Russia Covid-19 vaccine: World leaders, health officials have mixed response → https://is.gd/sdciij | 12:31 |
| user3xp10it | hello. | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Senegal: +207 cases (now 11587), +4 deaths (now 242) since 23 hours ago — World: +1044 cases (now 20.6 million), +5 deaths (now 747535) since 42 minutes ago — Switzerland: +274 cases (now 37169), +1 deaths (now 1991) since 23 hours ago — India: +258 cases (now 2.3 million) since 2 hours ago | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +517 cases (now 20.6 million), +8 deaths (now 747543) since 21 minutes ago — Nepal: +484 cases (now 24432), +8 deaths (now 91) since 23 hours ago — Dem. Rep. Congo: +39 cases (now 9538) since 22 hours ago — Uganda: +19 cases (now 1332) since 23 hours ago | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Auckland back in lockdown; Paris marathon cancelled as cases rise: France cancels marathon as cases pick up; WHO warns displacement of people in Beirut risks accelerating spread; four new cases in Auckland → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 13:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Russia says there is 'major information warfare' against its coronavirus vaccine: Russia has rejected international criticism and skepticism toward its coronavirus vaccine, saying that it's safe and that it works. → https://is.gd/hVHrq6 | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 13:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Macau, China: +47 cases (now 46) since 6 hours ago — World: +337 cases (now 20.6 million), +10 deaths (now 747553) since 53 minutes ago — Madagascar: +80 cases (now 13397), +4 deaths (now 156) since a day ago — Gelderland, Netherlands: +47 cases (now 6866), +1 deaths (now 686) since 6 hours ago | 13:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Companies test antibody drugs to treat, prevent COVID-19 → https://is.gd/rfh0vN | 13:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: US Awards Moderna $1.5 Billion Coronavirus Vaccine Contract (85 votes) | https://www.thegreel.com/2020/08/brief-us-awards-moderna-15-billion.html | https://redd.it/i8b4u3 | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +208 cases (now 20.6 million), +3 deaths (now 747556) since 18 minutes ago — Denmark: +111 cases (now 15070) since 23 hours ago — Belarus: +97 cases (now 69102), +3 deaths (now 595) since a day ago — Macau, China: +1 deaths (now 0) since 18 minutes ago | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gambia: +131 cases (now 1477), +1 deaths (now 33) since a day ago — Belize: +33 cases (now 210) since a day ago — World: +1196 cases (now 20.6 million), +21 deaths (now 747577) since 21 minutes ago — US: +901 cases (now 5.3 million), +20 deaths (now 167781) since 2 hours ago | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Auckland back in lockdown; Paris marathon cancelled as cases rise: France cancels marathon as cases pick up; WHO warns displacement of people in Beirut risks accelerating spread; four new cases in Auckland → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Joe Biden picks Kamala Harris as running mate – US politics live: Democrats hail Kamala Harris as VP pick Trump tweets she is ‘weak’ and ‘the kind opponent everyone dreams of’ QAnon supporter denounced for racism wins Georgia primary ‘Squad’ member Ilhan Omar wins her primary race 53,344 new US coronavirus cases [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/RyOq5J | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia's vaccine could be rolled out in November; Singapore reports lowest daily new cases in months → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT Plus: Pharmalittle: Moderna gets $1.5 billion U.S. contract for Covid-19 vax; state out-of-pocket caps saved residents money → https://is.gd/3nxaKe | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 15:46 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci said he thinks it's 'inconceivable' that he's received death threats 'when you are trying to promote public health principles to save people's lives' (10014 votes) | https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-said-he-thinks-its-inconceivable-that-hes-received-death-threats-when-you-are-trying-to-promote-public-health-principles-to-save-peoples-lives/ar-BB17QTLO?ocid=ientp | https://redd.it/i8910b | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia's vaccine could be rolled out in November; Singapore reports lowest daily new cases in months → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 16:06 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Commercially available oral rinses reduce COVID19 stability (82 votes) | https://doi.org/10.1093/infdis/jiaa471 | https://redd.it/i8au8d | 16:08 |
| ReGiStRaS | COVID situation around the world is extremely disastrous!!! Looks like there is no way things can go back to the way it was before... | 16:11 |
| jacklsw | hence the word new normal | 16:11 |
| jacklsw | forcing people to get used to it | 16:11 |
| ReGiStRaS | What I don't understand is why are people so compliant during SARS but during COVID totally the opposite... | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 16:15 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 312789 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 46628 deaths (14.9% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. 18.9 million tests were performed (1.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:20 |
| Jigsy | It's taken around a month for 10,000,000 cases. | 16:22 |
| Jigsy | So if my calculations are correct, there'll be around 30,000,000 cases by October? | 16:23 |
| Jigsy | At which point we're entering cold weather territory. | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia's vaccine could be rolled out in November; Singapore reports lowest daily new cases in months → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +37984 cases (now 20.7 million), +545 deaths (now 748122) since 2 hours ago — India: +27192 cases (now 2.4 million), +320 deaths (now 46536) since 3 hours ago — Moldova: +474 cases (now 28697), +6 deaths (now 863) since 23 hours ago — Iraq: +3441 cases (now 160436), +57 deaths (now 5588) since a day ago | 16:39 |
| jacklsw | because too much exposure to social media made people idiotic | 16:39 |
| spybert | The Russian vaccine experiment should be interesting. It might turn out to work well | 16:48 |
| LjL | ReGiStRaS, where do you live that people were compliant during SARS? here, SARS was just a distant threat, nobody changed the way they behaved. | 16:57 |
| bin_bash | ^^ same | 17:02 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: COVID‐19 and Vitamin D: A lesson from the skin (85 votes) | https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/exd.14170 | https://redd.it/i872co | 17:08 |
| de-facto | jacklsw, sad but so true | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new cases in Germany at three-month high; Paris marathon cancelled as cases rise → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 17:14 |
| ReGiStRaS | <spybert> The Russian vaccine experiment should be interesting. It might turn out to work well << What makes u think so? | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, either it works or it's a glorified placebo or it's a killer. Or a lil bit of all of that, we'll see | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Goias, Brazil: +3775 cases (now 90226), +76 deaths (now 2099) since a day ago — Sao Paulo, Brazil: +11147 cases (now 639562), +420 deaths (now 25571) since a day ago — World: +9873 cases (now 20.7 million), +223 deaths (now 748345) since 49 minutes ago — US: +8789 cases (now 5.3 million), +222 deaths (now 168012) since 50 minutes ago | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2771 cases (now 20.7 million), +296 deaths (now 748641) since 22 minutes ago — Lima, Peru: +2604 cases (now 247124), +106 deaths (now 10099) since a day ago — US: +1641 cases (now 5.3 million), +183 deaths (now 168195) since 22 minutes ago — Alabama, US: +935 cases (now 104786), +35 deaths (now 1882) since 22 hours ago | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: UK falls into recession as GDP tumbles 20.4% in April-June - as it happened → https://is.gd/9i7pRb | 18:03 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Phase 1/2 study of COVID-19 RNA vaccine BNT162b1 in adults (84 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4 | https://redd.it/i8du3v | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia says first batch of vaccine ready in two weeks; Germany cases at three-month high → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 18:12 |
| LjL | today Italy has another high in cases, with more than 400, and sadly for me, more than 100 are in Lombardy again, a number higher than in previous days, and with not even so many tests to back it, so potentially even higher | 18:13 |
| LjL | although it used to be that Lombardy made up for about half of cases, while now really, i'm hard pressed to name a region that does *not* have a fair few cases | 18:13 |
| LjL | we aren't at Spain or UK levels yet, but it seems pretty much certain by now that we'll get there | 18:14 |
| de-facto | %cases italy | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Italy, there have been 251713 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 35225 deaths (14.0% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 7.4 million tests were performed (3.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 14.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:17 |
| de-facto | in Germany we had +1226 cases today according to https://corona.rki.de | 18:18 |
| de-facto | way to high... :/ | 18:18 |
| de-facto | too high | 18:18 |
| de-facto | weekly moving average at around ~920 daily new cases | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +14623 cases (now 20.7 million), +252 deaths (now 748893) since 47 minutes ago — India: +11960 cases (now 2.4 million), +181 deaths (now 46717) since an hour ago — US: +1813 cases (now 5.3 million), +58 deaths (now 168253) since 47 minutes ago — Jordan: +20 cases (now 1303) since 23 hours ago | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 18:22 |
| de-facto | (Location) (new cases) (new cases per 100k citizens) accumulated for the current week in Germany: Hamburg 287 15.6; North Rhine-Westphalia 2511 14; Berlin 452 12.4; Hesse 642 10.2; Rhineland-Palatinate 313 7.7; Saarland 60 6.1; Lower Saxony 461 5.8; Bavaria 725 5.5; Schleswig-Holstein 158 5.5; Baden-Württemberg 488 4.4; Bremen 29 4.2; Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania 62 3.9; Thuringia 60 2.8; Saxony 111 2.7; Brandenburg 58 2.3; | 18:25 |
| de-facto | Saxony-Anhalt 49 2.2; | 18:25 |
| de-facto | that is for a total of 6466 weekly cases with an average of 6,58 cases per 100k citizens in each federal state | 18:29 |
| de-facto | %cases Germany | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Germany, there have been 219648 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 9269 deaths (4.2% of cases) as of an hour ago. 8.6 million tests were performed (2.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 18:31 |
| de-facto | btw North Rhine-Westphalia is the state with most citizens but also with the Tönnies cluster just saying... | 18:46 |
| de-facto | now its spread everythere in NRW, not a cluster anymore | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: teachers push back on minister's claim there is 'no confusion' over A-level grades → https://is.gd/WdvuD0 | 18:51 |
| de-facto | NRW contributes 21.57% of citizens but 38.83% new infections to German statistic | 18:51 |
| de-facto | Hamburg contributes 2.22% of citizens but 4.43% of cases, Berlin contributes 4.41% of citizens but 6.99% of cases .... | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: UK death count reduced by 5,000 under new rules: Deaths recorded in England had included people who tested positive months before they died. → https://is.gd/CG49c5 | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ethiopia: +943 cases (now 25118), +23 deaths (now 463) since a day ago — World: +20847 cases (now 20.7 million), +491 deaths (now 749384) since 48 minutes ago — Brazil: +10716 cases (now 3.1 million), +322 deaths (now 103421) since 17 hours ago — India: +4382 cases (now 2.4 million), +62 deaths (now 46779) since 48 minutes ago | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 19:10 |
| spybert | ReGiStRaS: We won't know until the results are in. But the Russians obviously think the thing will work, so more than likely it does. The interesting thing will be safety, which they don't as thoroughly as western countries before release | 19:13 |
| bin_bash | spybert: i find it interesting that you think it's "more than likely" to work | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia says first batch of vaccine ready in two weeks; Germany cases at three-month high → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1257 cases (now 20.7 million), +50 deaths (now 749434) since 17 minutes ago — Louisiana, US: +1179 cases (now 134304), +48 deaths (now 4362) since 18 hours ago — US: +1179 cases (now 5.3 million), +48 deaths (now 168319) since 17 minutes ago — Mozambique: +78 cases (now 2559), +2 deaths (now 19) since 19 hours ago | 19:21 |
| tinwhiskers | The problem with the Russian approach (aside from lack of safety and effectiveness testing) is that it uses the adenovirus approach. People can become immune to the vaccine vector itself so it may not be useful as a booster vaccine - not so good if immunity turns out to only last six months. | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000 → https://is.gd/CG49c5 | 19:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +1499 cases (now 36694), +23 deaths (now 556) since 23 hours ago — World: +4753 cases (now 20.7 million), +115 deaths (now 749549) since 20 minutes ago — US: +3254 cases (now 5.3 million), +75 deaths (now 168394) since 20 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +1645 cases (now 199893), +15 deaths (now 7881) since 23 hours ago | 19:36 |
| EastAsia | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/us/georgia-school-coronavirus.html | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Where Kamala Harris stands on coronavirus masks, stimulus checks and other pandemic spending: Joe Biden's pick of Sen. Kamala Harris of California as his running mate brings him a powerful ally in the fight against the coronavirus if the Democratic slate wins the 2020 presidential election. → https://is.gd/MFJROC | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +22356 cases (now 20.8 million), +357 deaths (now 749906) since 33 minutes ago — India: +18717 cases (now 2.4 million), +359 deaths (now 47138) since an hour ago — Spain: +3172 cases (now 376864) since a day ago — Tunisia: +42 cases (now 1780) since 22 hours ago | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia says first batch of vaccine ready in two weeks; Spain cases jump by nearly 1,700 → https://is.gd/PHLUDS | 20:09 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, would it be possible to raise the threshold for the maximum y-axis value in "Running Doubling Time"? i know i can zoom with my touchpad, but it's really very hard. Italy now is trending towards more cases, but with the default max of 200, that still cannot be seen | 20:14 |
| LjL | although, well, i can use log scale | 20:15 |
| tinwhiskers | Can do if log scale doesn't work for you | 20:15 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well it does, but i'm not great at reading things in log scale. if you change the value it doesn't absolutely need to include *all* of the graph, i guess it should be whatever makes sense for the various countries that are currently going back down (up) | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist: Everything you need to know about Russia's coronavirus vaccine claims: Russia has given regulatory approval to a covid-19 vaccine, amid concerns about the level of testing it has undergone. Here's what you need to know about the Sputnik V vaccine → https://is.gd/5NuzKA | 20:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Any idea what the right value should be? I could make it that if you only have one country selected scales more freely. | 20:19 |
| tinwhiskers | *it scales more freely | 20:19 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, uhm, that might be a good idea. maybe me[di]an(max(countries))? | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Where Kamala Harris stands on coronavirus masks, stimulus checks and other pandemic spending: Joe Biden's pick of Sen. Kamala Harris of California as his running mate brings him a powerful ally in the fight against the coronavirus if the Democratic slate wins the 2020 presidential election. → https://is.gd/MFJROC | 20:48 |
| LjL | I'm going to remove The Guardian from the newsfeed. We've already discussed here sometimes how its headlines and page layout make it confusing to see the article you had meant to click on, and now I've had a look at Brainstorm posting statistics, and Guardian posts by far more than any other source. I also do realize this channel has now very little chat, and very much bot posting, which is partly because people are less interested in talking about COVID | 21:00 |
| LjL | for sure (since before, they would talk even with the bot posts in between, and it didn't seem a huge problem), but now that the chat has much reduced, the *appearance* of a lot of bot posting may discourage further chat. So bottom line, I'm leaving the other sources, which will hopefully provide less but better articles. | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000 → https://is.gd/CG49c5 | 21:00 |
| ubLIX[m] | "There is no excuse for the media to wrongly claim that Russia has approved a ready to go vaccine. The Sputnik Vaccine website explains in seven languages that the third trial phase of the clinical trials is still to come." | 21:07 |
| ubLIX[m] | ^ author of this blog usually has something insightful to say; however, enter comments thread at your own risk | 21:08 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], my understanding (admittedly from random media) was that yes, the phase 3 is still to come, and yet they have approved it for general use before it happens. so those two things are not necessarily at odds (despite normally being) | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +1212 cases (now 244392), +18 deaths (now 5891) since a day ago — Namibia: +177 cases (now 3406), +3 deaths (now 22) since a day ago — World: +5106 cases (now 20.8 million), +67 deaths (now 749973) since an hour ago — US: +3158 cases (now 5.3 million), +39 deaths (now 168430) since an hour ago | 21:15 |
| ubLIX[m] | the linked blog's author cited https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/russia-s-approval-covid-19-vaccine-less-meets-press-release in saying it has been certified 'to be given to “a small number of citizens from vulnerable groups,”', in the fashion similar to the US's "emergency use authorisation" | 21:17 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], well, the claim on the vaccine's site is it's the "first registered in the world", but if i search for what "vaccine registration" means exactly, now i'm swamped with russian vaccine info, instead of info about the process | 21:18 |
| LjL | but i suppose what needs to be understood here is what "early registration" entails | 21:18 |
| LjL | if it's like other vaccines in that emergency authorization may be given before phase 3, then what gives about registration? | 21:19 |
| LjL | "including medical staff and the elderly" is a damned large early authorization group | 21:19 |
| LjL | i had honestly NOT expected that Russia would just be ready or willing to give this to everyone | 21:19 |
| LjL | an authorization for giving it to medical staff and the elderly is pretty much a blanket authorization at this point, imo | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Greece: +235 cases (now 6177) since 22 minutes ago — World: +6479 cases (now 20.8 million), +135 deaths (now 750108) since 22 minutes ago — US: +6224 cases (now 5.3 million), +135 deaths (now 168565) since 22 minutes ago — Georgia (US), US: +3565 cases (now 226153), +105 deaths (now 4456) since 23 hours ago | 21:21 |
| LjL | Spain had more than +3000 cases today :( | 21:22 |
| LjL | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgrls.rosminzdrav.ru%2FGrls_View_v2.aspx%3FroutingGuid%3Dd494c688-0bc6-4c30-9e81-23f043ceb43e%26t%3D%25C2%25A0 | 21:23 |
| LjL | this is the translated version of the vaccine registration form | 21:23 |
| LjL | however it doesn't really clarify things for me, possibly due to bad translation | 21:23 |
| LjL | "Carrying out post-registration clinical trials, the results of which are the basis for assessing the ratio of the expected benefit to the possible risk of using a medicinal product when confirming its state registration." | 21:23 |
| LjL | this isn't even a statement | 21:24 |
| ubLIX[m] | wonder if learning russian is worth the trouble | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 21:26 |
| LjL | meanwhile, Google realizes after baking exposure notifications into the GMS, there *is* in fact other major crowdsources stuff they can bake into them: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/android-is-now-the-worlds-largest-earthquake-detection-network/ | 21:33 |
| de-facto | its called sputnik for a reason, they just want to be the first | 21:33 |
| LjL | of course i would vastly prefer it to be in AOSP, but without major architectural differences that wouldn't even be possible, nevermind the time it would take to deploy to most phones | 21:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes, but what i'm unclear on at this point is, they are being the first at "registration"... what does registration entail, exactly? | 21:33 |
| de-facto | hmm good question idk but i think its all about being "the first" whatever that means (or takes) | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Aruba: +81 cases (now 798) since 23 hours ago — Papua New Guinea: +73 cases (now 287) since 3 days ago — World: +1102 cases (now 20.8 million), +9 deaths (now 750117) since 20 minutes ago — US: +885 cases (now 5.3 million), +8 deaths (now 168573) since 20 minutes ago | 21:36 |
| de-facto | which, imho is the wrong signal in general to imply that there is a race to the market from competitors, on the contrary they should be extra transparent on how they do NOT cut the corners and inform the public how their safety concept positions itself in detail relative to the "normal" traditional safety concepts in vaccinations | 21:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Father and son doctors die of coronavirus after treating COVID-19 patients on Florida front lines (10007 votes) | https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-jorge-carlos-vallejo-doctors-die-florida-father-son-20200812-ra4zoemcyfb7jnhd4rd2jbboxq-story.html | https://redd.it/i86347 | 21:40 |
| de-facto | imho that is at least as important as making it available, because people also have to trust into their choices, otherwise it is of theoretical help only | 21:42 |
| LjL | give the vaccine effectiveness we can expect, which has often been stated (likely just guesstimates) as probably between 50% and 70%, and considering about 30% of people in the US (and probably much of Europe) would be against getting a vaccine, i suspect for actual herd immunity, the vaccine will have to be made mandatory | 21:45 |
| LjL | this will not happen at first, when vaccines will only be available for specific categories of people | 21:45 |
| LjL | but when we reach the stage of mass vaccination, i don't think giving people a choice whether or not to get it is going to be an option on the table | 21:46 |
| LjL | of course i doubt governments will mention this until the time actually comes | 21:46 |
| ubLIX[m] | imply, de-facto? you are implying there is not a de facto race to market by competitors, which seems far fetched to me. high mindedness aside, there is money at stake, and prestige, and geopolitics | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Reunion: +32 cases (now 734) since 20 hours ago — World: +315 cases (now 20.8 million), +14 deaths (now 750131) since 17 minutes ago — US: +278 cases (now 5.3 million), +14 deaths (now 168587) since 17 minutes ago — California, US: +120 cases (now 586825) since 2 hours ago | 21:51 |
| stinkpot | good points ljl | 21:53 |
| stinkpot | you're prob right they would not tell ppl 'til the time comes | 21:54 |
| de-facto | ubLIX[m], yes thats true, what I wanted to mention is that it should not be about who is first but rather who offers the most safe/reliable choice, but yeah its also about getting the contracts and agreements for production capacity etc | 21:54 |
| de-facto | LjL, good points indeed yet i think mandatory is the wrong way, rather information transparency for gaining trust should be employed, there already is some pressure to go for it out of the pandemic situation itself which differentiates this vaccination from the more abstract threat with another vaccination for another disease with currently is not as widespread as COVID-19 | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kentucky, US: +1152 cases (now 36945), +7 deaths (now 790) since 22 hours ago — World: +8720 cases (now 20.8 million), +341 deaths (now 750472) since 34 minutes ago — US: +5099 cases (now 5.3 million), +74 deaths (now 168661) since 34 minutes ago — South Africa: +2810 cases (now 568919), +259 deaths (now 11010) since 23 hours ago | 22:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NBA Announces Zero positive COVID results for the 4th consecutive week in the Orlando Bubble → https://is.gd/avtYkj | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: England death count review reduces UK toll by 5,000 → https://is.gd/CG49c5 | 22:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't disagree with your in principle, but let's say hypothetically, some country does a very good information campaign, people understand it, evaluate pros and cons... and still 30% of the population decides against it. what do you do, if you're the government? do you just say "okay, then i guess we'll never stop this from staying strongly endemic, oh well, we tried", or do you start thinking about making it mandatory? | 22:34 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], belated lol | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Accuracy of U.S. coronavirus data thrown into question as decline in testing skews drop in new cases → https://is.gd/rytXC6 | 22:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 22:52 |
| de-facto | LjL yes because those who aren't immune due to vaccination will then either recover from challenge with the pathogen in real life or not get exposed to it anymore due to much slower spread and those with higher probability for exposure will even catch it first, hence also acquire natural immunity first | 22:58 |
| de-facto | i meant yes to not making it mandatory | 22:59 |
| de-facto | i would rather then intensify efforts to improve the transparent information campaign | 22:59 |
| de-facto | its not really comparable but in principle similar to making the corona warn app open source, decentralized and privacy friendly in an open and transparent way: i think that is part of the reason why so many in Germany downloaded it | 23:01 |
| de-facto | and even forbidding to discriminate people who choose not to install it anyhow, hence truly making it a free choice | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | I've always supported pseudo-mandatory vaccination for *most* infectious (not the flu). People who choose not to vaccinate do not get to participate in society in certain ways, such as attend public schools. Here I would see harsher restrictions, such as not being able to attend mass gatherings (stadiums, concerts, maybe even large restaurants). | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | People can choose but there is a steep cost of that choice. | 23:03 |
| de-facto | tbh i think making it mandatory would play in the hands of those militant anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists | 23:04 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't really care what they think if it's mandatory provided they just get it forced on them or choose to piss off from society. | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | There's no convincing some people no matter how good your communication is. You need incentives. | 23:06 |
| tinwhiskers | as it stands, I do not want to see any truly mandatory vaccination for covid though. There is a small risk from such new vaccines and people should be able to choose, but they should also be choosing to stay away from other people if that make that choice. | 23:07 |
| de-facto | its not that easy, if i remember the numbers correctly up to 5% may be those anti-vaxxers (resistant to any informations), 20%-30% are undecided skeptics and those have to be convinced by high quality transparent and digestible information rather than from the anti-vaxxers | 23:07 |
| de-facto | those were numbers i remembered from a podcast in Germany | 23:07 |
| tinwhiskers | By all means, improve the communication and try to sway people. It's not an either-or situation. | 23:08 |
| tinwhiskers | But we can still allow those who are vaccinated greater freedoms than those who are not. | 23:08 |
| de-facto | yes thats what i am saying, communication is very very important | 23:08 |
| tinwhiskers | We already do this to some degree. You can't get a travel visa to/from certain places without valid vaccination. e.g. yellow fever and some african countries. We can extend travel bans to other things like social gatherings, schools. | 23:10 |
| tinwhiskers | If you choose not to vaccinate you'll need to have medical insurance because you won't be allowed in a public hospital <- maybe this one is over the line, but you can take it a long way. | 23:11 |
| Jigsy | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/12/coronavirus-death-toll-in-england-revised-down-by-more-than-5000 | 23:12 |
| Jigsy | %title | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.theguardian.com: Coronavirus death toll in England revised down by more than 5,000 | World news | The Guardian | 23:12 |
| Jigsy | They're doing it again... | 23:12 |
| de-facto | I do get your point from a logical standpoint but i disagree on making it pseudo-mandatory, I think it would cross a line there which then slowly could be escalated without really crossing any comparable lines | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | there is a risk of a slippery slope, but slippery slopes do not always occur. If you accept that curtailing you right to freedom of movement based on yellow fever vaccination status then you're already on that slope. | 23:14 |
| tinwhiskers | (pretend that was written in valid English) | 23:16 |
| tinwhiskers | I see no reason we should let children who are not vaccinated against the measles, whooping cough, etc into public schools (true medical exceptions notwithstanding). | 23:17 |
| de-facto | I read even some manufacturers deny liability for their own products | 23:17 |
| tinwhiskers | that's meaningless to me, since we can't sue in my country anyway. | 23:18 |
| tinwhiskers | we have a govt compensation system instead so we're not all litigious like the US is. | 23:19 |
| tinwhiskers | those 1 in 100k side-effects do happen so they kinda need to say that or they'd be out of business in the US. They know the risk exists yet sell it anyway = legal death. | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Accuracy of U.S. coronavirus data thrown into question as decline in testing skews drop in new cases → https://is.gd/rytXC6 | 23:21 |
| de-facto | i would happily get a vaccine if i was convinced everything possible was done to make it safe and reliable (already to end the constant worrying about preventing infection etc). I really would like that a lot. But I really do think making it (pseudo) mandatory is unethical especially because a lot of new technologies are employed, not even manufacturers themselves want to be held liable for them and longterm effects can not be determined | 23:22 |
| de-facto | in time | 23:22 |
| de-facto | thats my opinion on it | 23:22 |
| tinwhiskers | I agree. In the early days with all these new vaccinations we don't want to make it mandatory because a risk exists, yet, people who are under lockdown restrictions anyway are no worse off. We can give those brave individuals greater freedom if that's what they choose. | 23:23 |
| bin_bash | yeah, while i'm in favor of mandatory childhood vaccinations like measles, i think mandatory covid vaccine would be unwise and could backfire | 23:24 |
| bin_bash | especially this early on | 23:24 |
| de-facto | exactly | 23:24 |
| tinwhiskers | for sure | 23:24 |
| bin_bash | it will only fuel anti-vaccine sentiment | 23:24 |
| tinwhiskers | that doesn't mean we can't reward those who do get it | 23:25 |
| bin_bash | agreed | 23:25 |
| blkshp | ooh, what do i get? | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | you get to stay at the pub all night | 23:25 |
| bin_bash | i think rewarding people who are willing to take the risk early on is a good idea | 23:25 |
| blkshp | oh, im not sure i want to do that | 23:25 |
| bin_bash | lolol | 23:25 |
| blkshp | bin_bash: how's the cat? | 23:25 |
| bin_bash | you get to... *flips through cards* go to the cinema? | 23:25 |
| de-facto | reward yes but not discriminate those who are hesitant observing the early adopters | 23:26 |
| bin_bash | blkshp: cats are good! | 23:26 |
| blkshp | \o/ | 23:26 |
| blkshp | Cinemas are mandatory face masks throughout now. | 23:26 |
| bin_bash | they got a clean bill of health, just need to have teeth cleanings in a couple weeks or so | 23:26 |
| tinwhiskers | de-facto: doesn't that amount to the same thing? | 23:26 |
| blkshp | nice :D | 23:26 |
| blkshp | It's just a shame that i paid for my cinema membership before this all started literally 12 days before. | 23:26 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 23:26 |
| bin_bash | tinwhiskers: not necessarily. there could be a financial reward for getting the vaccine | 23:27 |
| blkshp | whole year, but to be fair, i think i'll pass | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | although THAT would draw criticism | 23:27 |
| de-facto | not exactly, rewarding is giving a minority an advantage over average, discriminating is giving a minority a disadvantage relative to average | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | because the poor would be biased in selection | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | which would be discriminatory against those who didn't get it | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | reward is a form of discrimination | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | blkshp: omg that sucks. i was considering doing one here but the company wasnt succeeding. could've been me though | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | probably smart to skip it though, those things are never thoroughly cleaned | 23:27 |
| bin_bash | plus i bet in the dark people take them off to eat or drink and stuff | 23:28 |
| tinwhiskers | but I'm being pedantic. I agree with the reward thing, you just have to say "it's a reward" and it's all good. | 23:28 |
| blkshp | luckily, i get 50% off with work rewards so it's not too expensive and, frankly, people have lost a lot more than my £75 quid cinema ticket | 23:28 |
| blkshp | It actually says you may take them off to eat. o.O | 23:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida sheriff bans masks for deputies; Russia's vaccine could be out in November → https://is.gd/pU8kqk | 23:31 |
| tinwhiskers | One thing that would be nice to see would be border restrictions eased for those who choose to vaccinate. | 23:31 |
| blkshp | The film contagion had armbands for the vaccinated (and it dispursed them by how important the people were and random surname picking iirc) I wonder if that might happen (that was a US film of course) | 23:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, I think too many people would get fake armbands and it would onerous to police. | 23:33 |
| blkshp | true | 23:34 |
| tinwhiskers | but at the border it's manageable. | 23:34 |
| de-facto | how about making the vaccination rare, so people feel lucky if they are able to get a shot? afaik in that film (Contagion) they made a lottery for the first vaccinations (ok maybe that goes too far, but the psychology is similar) | 23:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Imagine needing to have police checkpoints to validate people's vaccination status.. ugh. | 23:35 |
| tinwhiskers | restricting entry to schools is also manageable (further down the track) and large venues, maybe. | 23:36 |
| blkshp | some automated scanning perhaps. | 23:36 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, perhaps, but but the time we can develop that we'll probably be out of the woods anyway | 23:37 |
| de-facto | yeah the famous RFID chips... hmm i think that would go too far and also ease discrimination | 23:37 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, I see | 23:37 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, we could probably develop something like that pretty quickly. | 23:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Bill Gates has that RFID tracking stuff already, right? /-) | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | erm :-/ | 23:38 |
| de-facto | haha yeah thats where that meme comes from, well at least from his opponents | 23:38 |
| blkshp | A friend of mine works for HP and they have had to get a temperature check on entering the building. | 23:39 |
| blkshp | But that's been there for yearsnow. | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | cool | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | umm hot | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Hopefully from this we'll develop a better "if you're sick stay home" work ethos instead of "come to work sick or you're fired" ethos. | 23:40 |
| de-facto | indeed | 23:40 |
| de-facto | i think it all will turn out to be just fine, yet about how we sailed to that goal will be a metric according to which our management of the pandemic will be judged in the aftermath of it | 23:47 |
| LjL | optimist | 23:48 |
| LjL | i think the whole vaccine thing will be a huuuuge strange to our society as a uh, non-civil-warring body :P | 23:49 |
| de-facto | yep :) | 23:49 |
| LjL | strain* | 23:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Kamala Harris blames Trump for severity of U.S. coronavirus outbreak: He failed to take it 'seriously from the start' → https://is.gd/Ym2SAp | 23:59 |
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