libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2020-09-10

BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson pinning hopes on £100bn 'moonshot' to avoid second lockdown → https://is.gd/mdV3qF00:07
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dr. Fauci says pause on trial is ‘not uncommon at all’ after major coronavirus vaccine trial placed on hold → https://is.gd/mDwRtE00:17
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Discovery of four COVID-19 risk groups helps guide treatment: People who are admitted to hospital with COVID-19 can be divided into four distinct groups, according to data from the world's largest study of patients with the disease. → https://is.gd/rcDMnc00:37
BrainstormNew from BMJ: COVID-19: Risk stratification of patients admitted to hospital with covid-19 using the ISARIC WHO Clinical Characterisation Protocol: development and validation of the 4C Mortality Score → https://is.gd/jatVJo00:58
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Punctured lung affects one in a 100 hospitalized COVID-19 patients: As many as one in 100 patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 develop a pneumothorax—a 'punctured lung' - according to a study led by Cambridge researchers. → https://is.gd/zmdxCC01:08
BrainstormNew from StatNews: ‘Everyone was left to guess what went wrong’: An open letter to AstraZeneca’s CEO on transparency: "In the middle of a pandemic — when the whole world, literally, is hoping a useful vaccine is on the horizon — everyone was left to guess what went wrong… → https://is.gd/Ydh29o01:18
BrainstormNew from BMJ: UK’s economic recovery should include plans for net zero emissions, says report: Actions taken by the UK government to help the economy recover from the covid-19 pandemic should also help achieve net zero carbon emissions, according to Climate Assembly UK.1The assembly,... → https://is.gd/NfKAJ401:28
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Trump played down the severity of coronavirus → https://is.gd/1GHJR201:38
Jigsy%cases UK01:38
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 355219 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.9% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 18.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.01:38
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Another Taiwanese company found to be importing face masks from China and Vietnam and repackaging them as Made in Taiwan → https://is.gd/t3tzwA01:59
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Declining COVID-19 Case Fatality Rates across all ages: analysis of German data (80 votes) | https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/declining-covid-19-case-fatality-rates-across-all-ages-analysis-of-german-data/ | https://redd.it/ipmsz302:27
BrainstormUpdates for Argentina: +12259 cases (now 512293), +201 deaths (now 10658) since 11 hours ago — World: +65430 cases (now 28.1 million), +1537 deaths (now 908505) since 4 hours ago — Brazil: +19861 cases (now 4.2 million), +534 deaths (now 128653) since 8 hours ago — US: +9489 cases (now 6.5 million), +334 deaths (now 195196) since 4 hours ago02:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC can resume indoor dining; Dems say Trump interferes with vaccine approvals → https://is.gd/hi4pIE02:39
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says pause on trial is 'not uncommon at all' after major coronavirus vaccine trial placed on hold (10074 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/09/dr-fauci-says-pause-on-trial-is-not-uncommon-at-all-after-major-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-placed-on-hold.html | https://redd.it/iphewi02:52
BrainstormUpdates for Guadeloupe: +924 cases (now 2287), +5 deaths (now 23) since 7 days ago — World: +2558 cases (now 28.1 million), +28 deaths (now 908533) since 19 minutes ago — Venezuela: +1188 cases (now 56751), +8 deaths (now 452) since 19 hours ago — US: +440 cases (now 6.5 million), +15 deaths (now 195211) since 19 minutes ago02:52
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Twenty-six scientists, most of them working at universities in Italy, have signed an open letter questioning the reliability of the data presented in the early-stage trial results of the Russian COVID-19 vaccine, named "Sputnik-V" → https://is.gd/WryqAz03:09
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Jillian Michaels reveals COVID-19 diagnosis, warns against public gyms (10034 votes) | https://www.wkrn.com/news/jillian-michaels-reveals-covid-19-diagnosis-warns-against-public-gyms/ | https://redd.it/ipfki803:16
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UW-Madison shifts all classes online for 2 weeks, quarantines 2 dorms (WI) → https://is.gd/XMJZrS03:49
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Halt of coronavirus trial is ‘safety valve’ at work: Fauci → https://is.gd/DYBIcO04:30
BrainstormUpdates for World: +6658 cases (now 28.1 million), +702 deaths (now 909235) since 2 hours ago — Mexico: +4647 cases (now 647507), +611 deaths (now 69095) since 23 hours ago — France: +2144 cases (now 361067) since 2 hours ago — Bolivia: +1037 cases (now 123345), +49 deaths (now 7146) since 23 hours ago04:53
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Ukrainian church leader who called Covid-19 'God's punishment' for same-sex marriage tests positive for virus → https://is.gd/LsJSsA05:00
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Musical Chairs: Iowa School Districts' New Way To Skirt COVID Rules → https://is.gd/wZRlWm05:31
BrainstormUpdates for Myanmar: +120 cases (now 2009), +2 deaths (now 14) since 11 hours ago — World: +1395 cases (now 28.1 million), +23 deaths (now 909258) since 49 minutes ago — Belgium: +550 cases (now 89691) since a day ago — Honduras: +379 cases (now 65597), +10 deaths (now 2044) since a day ago05:38
ryoumahad tooth extracted.  by doctor who was partner of the one previously.  whole office is not hygienic and slowppy with tools.  they did leave the room 3h empty before i went in.  will try to work with more careful office (one that uses uv light) for remaining work, which includes 3 MORE cavities and scraping.05:49
ryoumaso, i will be using zinc tablets as sloon as i can do so without sucking on them05:50
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Phoenix nurse requires around-the-clock oxygen after amazingly beating severe COVID-19 → https://is.gd/lNJa9v05:52
ryoumamy only concern is that maybe the 1m abx knowcked somehitn out and the tooth could hbsave been ok.  but i hadn't perfeormed the "stop antibiotics to make sure" experiment beforehand.05:52
ryoumaalso that they threw the tooth away instead of giving it to me as is their normal practice...05:52
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus capable of invading brain, study says - The Japan Times - Sep 10, 2020 → https://is.gd/14nTAV06:02
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Uncontrolled hypertension is getting worse in the U.S., study finds High blood pressure can be a major risk factor for severe illness from COVID-19. → https://is.gd/YwW3bw06:33
ryouma i wonder whther that is alsoa  big risk for dysautonomia as i presume06:42
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus Global Updates, September 10: UN warns Covid could fuel more poverty, starvation → https://is.gd/jG3Pof06:43
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: The Russian Vaccine Data (80 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/09/09/the-russian-vaccine-data | https://redd.it/iphqyd06:53
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus may linger on chilled salmon for a week: research → https://is.gd/cffDaJ06:53
BrainstormUpdates for World: +15634 cases (now 28.1 million), +64 deaths (now 909322) since an hour ago — Aruba, Netherlands: +141 cases (now 2730) since a day ago — India: +2898 cases (now 4.5 million) since 8 hours ago — France: +2684 cases (now 363751) since 2 hours ago07:08
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology*: TWiV 661: SWAG with Ralph Baric: Ralph Baric returns to TWiV to provide an update on the COVID-19 resurgence in the US, monoclonal antibodies, antiviral drugs, vaccines, immunity and reinfection, reopening schools, and what will happen this fall. → https://is.gd/JEquUO07:14
BrainstormUpdates for Kerala, India: +3402 cases (now 95917), +12 deaths (now 384) since a day ago — Punjab, India: +2137 cases (now 69684), +71 deaths (now 2061) since a day ago — Idaho, US: +1375 cases (now 35353), +31 deaths (now 420) since a day ago — Uttarakhand, India: +1117 cases (now 27211), +12 deaths (now 372) since a day ago07:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC can resume indoor dining; Dems say Trump interferes with vaccine approvals → https://is.gd/hi4pIE07:24
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: World Suicide Prevention Day 2020: In pandemic, Indians are coping with depression, survey finds → https://is.gd/t43D0B07:34
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans: Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day. → https://is.gd/FcuMdZ07:44
BrainstormUpdates for Georgia: +57 cases (now 1830) since 21 hours ago — World: +1543 cases (now 28.1 million), +4 deaths (now 909328) since an hour ago — Israel: +1485 cases (now 142582) since 10 hours ago — El Salvador: +4 deaths (now 774) since 16 hours ago08:24
Haley[mt][m]%cases world08:39
BrainstormHaley[mt][m]: In World, there have been 28.1 million confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 909328 deaths (3.2% of cases) as of 15 minutes ago. 553.9 million tests were performed (5.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.08:39
Haley[mt][m]%cases france08:42
BrainstormHaley[mt][m]: In France, there have been 363751 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 30794 deaths (8.5% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 8.5 million tests were performed (4.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data.08:42
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Xi Jinping vows to make COVID-19 vaccines affordable, available to all → https://is.gd/gYOBVL08:45
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Man refuses to wear face mask, gets kicked off flight in Japan → https://is.gd/lDDQQF08:56
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus outbreak hits 19 at sumo stable in Japan → https://is.gd/3aqXaB09:06
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans: Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day. → https://is.gd/FcuMdZ09:16
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Tokyo reports 276 new COVID-19 cases for September 10th. → https://is.gd/ercAhx09:26
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Pregnant women's psychological health during the COVID-19 outbreak: A recent study that examined the psychological health of pregnant women during the COVID-19 outbreak uncovered fear and depression in many participants. The findings are published in the Journal of Clinical Nursing. → https://is.gd/RXwGTH09:36
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Study estimates health-care cost of COVID-19 in low- and middle-income countries at US$52 billion every 4 weeks: New modelling research, published in The Lancet Global Health journal, estimates that it could cost low- and middle-income countries (LMICs) around US$52 billion (equivalent to US$8.60 per person) over four weeks to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8wgGIL09:47
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans: Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day. → https://is.gd/FcuMdZ09:58
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Jakarta to reimpose partial lockdown as virus cases surge: Indonesia's capital Jakarta plans to re-impose a partial lockdown as early as Monday over fears that surging coronavirus cases could "collapse" its under-pressure hospitals, the sprawling city's governor said. → https://is.gd/U3wWfj10:18
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: The coronavirus pandemic, six months on: The coronavirus has upended everyday life in the six months since the crisis was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization (WHO). → https://is.gd/zaOp9B10:28
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans: Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day. → https://is.gd/FcuMdZ10:38
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +3861 cases (now 207203), +120 deaths (now 8456) since 23 hours ago — World: +18887 cases (now 28.2 million), +363 deaths (now 909691) since 2 hours ago — Russia: +5363 cases (now 1.0 million), +128 deaths (now 18263) since 23 hours ago — India: +4303 cases (now 4.5 million), +28 deaths (now 75119) since 4 hours ago10:39
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Health: Pregnancy poses challenges for people in recovery from substance use disorder. Covid-19 is taxing their support system → https://is.gd/lf9WGm10:48
BrainstormUpdates for Austria: +664 cases (now 31247), +1 deaths (now 748) since 22 hours ago — World: +1348 cases (now 28.2 million), +13 deaths (now 909704) since 22 minutes ago — Poland: +506 cases (now 72453), +12 deaths (now 2159) since a day ago — Slovakia: +178 cases (now 5066) since a day ago10:54
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Oxford vaccine trial: Rollout for Australia still on track, says health minister → https://is.gd/JXQg5o10:58
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans: Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day. → https://is.gd/FcuMdZ11:08
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says he'll never be 'muzzled' in discussing coronavirus science and facts (10041 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/09/coronavirus-dr-fauci-says-hell-never-be-muzzled-in-discussing-science-and-facts.html | https://redd.it/ipnlhn11:25
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus*: Coronavirus: Anger in China as doctor who died of Covid-19 omitted from citizen awards → https://is.gd/CBfT6811:29
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Concerns over Boris Johnson's 'moonshot' testing plans: Medical experts raise doubts about plans to have "millions" of coronavirus tests processed every day. → https://is.gd/FcuMdZ12:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Scientists question ‘strange’ data in Russian coronavirus vaccine trial after 'unlikely' patterns: A group of experts have questioned the reliability of data published by Russian scientists on early clinical trials of its 'Sputnik V' coronavirus vaccine. → https://is.gd/MZbOwh12:31
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC can resume indoor dining; Dems say Trump interferes with vaccine approvals → https://is.gd/hi4pIE12:51
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Weekly cases highest since May after sharp rise in positive tests → https://is.gd/iQBubx13:01
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: US should end Gilead’s monopoly on producing remdesivir, report says: The US government should end the shortage of the antiviral drug remdesivir by eliminating Gilead’s monopoly, says a report from Public Citizen, a national non-profit organisation that represents... → https://is.gd/io4hdI13:11
BrainstormNew from ProPublica: Rick Perry’s Ukrainian Dream: by Simon Shuster , TIME , and Ilya Marritz , WNYC Stay up to date with email updates about WNYC and ProPublica’s investigations into the president’s business practices. This story is co-published with Time and WNYC. Rick Perry came to Washington looking for a deal, and less than two months into [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Zzn9BG13:32
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Hearing appointments could be enhanced when done remotely: A survey has shown that audiologists feel the COVID-19 lockdown has brought about some beneficial changes to care of patients with hearing problems. → https://is.gd/ftXtGz13:42
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Fitness: From live sessions to workout videos: Senior citizens take the e-route to stay fit amid pandemic → https://is.gd/JF0kta14:13
BrainstormUpdates for Palestine: +745 cases (now 28664), +6 deaths (now 198) since 22 hours ago — World: +10079 cases (now 28.2 million), +265 deaths (now 909969) since 3 hours ago — Iran: +2063 cases (now 395488), +129 deaths (now 22798) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1892 cases (now 332970), +41 deaths (now 4634) since a day ago14:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Scientists question Russian vaccine data; WHO says world must ramp up trials → https://is.gd/BY85BH14:33
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Miglustat improves swallowing in children and adolescents with Niemann-Pick type C1 disease: The drug miglustat appears to stabilize the swallowing problems that occur in children and adolescents with Niemann-Pick type C1 (NPC1), a rare and ultimately fatal neurological disease, according to a study by researchers at the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/DbR1bu15:04
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: What a smokey bar can teach us about the '6-foot rule' during the COVID-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/ZrYmI215:14
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT Plus: Pharmalittle: AstraZeneca hopes for Covid-19 vaccine results by year-end; fewer Americans trust the CDC: AstraZeneca chief executive Pascal Soriot said the company should know before the end of the year whether its experimental vaccine would protect people against Covid-19, if paused trials can resume. → https://is.gd/xu0IfB15:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: 8,000 jumbo jets needed to deliver coronavirus vaccines globally, IATA warns: The delivery of any future coronavirus vaccine requires "careful planning" with the air transport industry now in order to avoid "potentially severe" issues when it's ready for global distribution, IATA said. → https://is.gd/mpV9wW15:35
BrainstormUpdates for World: +22109 cases (now 28.2 million), +283 deaths (now 910252) since an hour ago — India: +12005 cases (now 4.5 million), +78 deaths (now 75197) since 5 hours ago — Myanmar: +141 cases (now 2150) since 10 hours ago — Iraq: +4597 cases (now 278418), +82 deaths (now 7814) since 13 hours ago15:50
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Influenza may facilitate the spread of SARS-CoV-2 (89 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.07.20189779v1 | https://redd.it/ipzurh15:57
BrainstormUpdates for United Arab Emirates: +930 cases (now 76911), +5 deaths (now 398) since a day ago — World: +931 cases (now 28.2 million), +5 deaths (now 910257) since 17 minutes ago — Liechtenstein: +1 cases (now 109) since a day ago16:05
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus accelerates drive to share health data across borders: Allowing health data to flow more freely between countries in Europe could aid the fight against coronavirus while also help the region be better prepared for future pandemics, but privacy and technical considerations need to be tackled sooner rather than later, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ssAb1n16:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Scientists question Russian vaccine data; WHO says world must ramp up trials → https://is.gd/BY85BH16:15
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Vaccine still possible this year, despite trial pause: AstraZeneca: Drugs giant AstraZeneca on Thursday said a COVID-19 vaccine could still be available by as early as the end of the year, despite a randomised clinical trial being paused. → https://is.gd/F6X3JH16:25
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Dutch outdoor classes avoid coronavirus 'digital misery': A Dutch university is holding open-air classes in parks, public squares and parking lots to limit the number of lectures taking place online because of the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/jV9yBP16:36
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Virus cases top two million in wider Mideast: WHO: Coronavirus cases in the wider Middle East from Morocco to Pakistan have topped two million, the World Health Organization said on Thursday. → https://is.gd/Mrw4Ik16:46
Jigsy%cases UK16:55
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 355219 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.9% of cases) as of 5 minutes ago. 18.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.16:55
BrainstormNew from NIH Director's blog: Director's Album - Photos: Senate Hearing on Vaccines → https://is.gd/7gtqke16:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: AMC's CEO describes coronavirus precautions, including upgraded air filtration at reopened theaters: "We've invested literally millions and millions in high-tech solutions" to mitigate coronavirus risk. AMC Chief Executive Adam Aron told CNBC on Thursday. → https://is.gd/mBkyKQ17:06
kreyren_Looking for a gas mask without an eye protection that is comfortable to wear and has filters that filter out covid and smaller particles~17:22
AnotherIdiotN9517:24
metroWhat about those PM2.5 filters?17:25
kreyren_AnotherIdiot, N95 just protects people around you, it doesn't do a good enough job protecting yourself17:30
AnotherIdiotThat's horseshit. 17:33
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The coronavirus may have reached Los Angeles even before China announced its outbreak → https://is.gd/5Sd8Ey17:37
kreyren_AnotherIdiot, no17:41
AnotherIdiotFine, whatever.17:42
AnotherIdiotI guess FDA must be wrong then https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-surgical-masks-and-face-masks17:42
LjLkreyren_, that's... not likely true17:48
LjLthere's some evidence that even surgical masks and possibly even plain cloth masks offer some degree of individual protection17:50
LjLN95 masks are believed to *definitely* offer a degree of individual protection, although nothing is 100%17:50
kreyren_LjL, Gas mask seems to be 99.9% with 0.1% for legal reasons based on available info assuming usage of FFP3 + activated charcoal filters where as using FFP3 respirators rarely fit enough to not allow an air around them 17:51
kreyren_i.e i have like 8 different FFP3 respirators and when i light a cigarette i can smell it assuming cigarette particles are around the size of SARS-CoV-2 transmitted using a cough in the moist air17:52
kreyren_but i would agree that N95 is good enough17:52
kreyren_but i am constantly in a situation where ppl come close to me when i am outside and gas mask won't allow anything around the filter itself~ where i had FFP3 respirator and still was apparently able to get some particles of X virus in my lungs based on fever and sore throat 17:53
LjLkreyren_, that assumption is probably wrong though because if this were about the size of a SARS-COV-2 particle, then indeed most masks wouldn't help, but instead it's about the size of the droplets that carry it17:54
LjLkreyren_, you are free to use whatever you feel protects you the most of course, and yes, fitting is important, and N95 is a standard where fitting isn't mentioned at all - you could have an N95 mask with terrible fitting, or one that's literally glue to your face17:55
LjLbut in general saying the thing you said is simply incorrect. it's not true that N95s "just" protects people around you. that's all i am saying. then if you want additional protection, more power to you17:55
kreyren_LjL, allegedly droplets can be the size of a SARS-CoV-2 which is my concern even though it seems to not be enough to cause covid-19 infection even if it was exposed through the N9517:56
kreyren_LjL, based on available info and experience i belive that N95 and respirators that doesn't have a tight seal around your face are good enough assuming social distancing, but social distancing is not always an option for me so gas mask is better option 17:57
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Anthony Fauci on lessons learned so far in the Covid-19 pandemic: "When you’re experiencing an outbreak, don’t ever, ever underestimate the potential of the pandemic. We’ve been through this before." → https://is.gd/5zZMwQ17:57
kreyren_LjL, difficult to prove though but like i can't smell smoke in a gas mask and smoke is smaller then SARS-CoV-2 right17:58
kreyren_or like if i tape around the respirators it's also a simmilar case, but gas mask doesn't let me to smell anything 17:59
LjLi have little doubt that a gas mask is *more* effective, i'm just saying that N95 masks are not ineffective, but if you find yourself in risky situations, by all means do what you can to reduce the risk18:02
kreyren_agree18:03
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Contraceptive services 'even worse' after coronavirus: The coronavirus has made a "difficult situation even worse" for women, says a group of MPs. → https://is.gd/dBCE5818:07
BrainstormUpdates for World: +82739 cases (now 28.3 million), +1421 deaths (now 911678) since 2 hours ago — India: +65231 cases (now 4.5 million), +958 deaths (now 76155) since 2 hours ago — Czechia: +723 cases (now 31759), +3 deaths (now 447) since 15 hours ago — US: +8525 cases (now 6.6 million), +331 deaths (now 195590) since 2 hours ago18:21
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Research on the impact of ACEIs and ARBs for patients with COVID-19 continues to evolve: Reducing or eliminating high blood pressure medications if blood pressure becomes hypotensive, falling below 120/70 mm Hg, could prevent acute kidney injury and death in COVID-19 patients, according to new research to be presented Sept. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ltLSfu18:28
LjL1.70% of tests positive today in italy, that's the highest percentage for a day that has a normally high amount of tests (i.e. not sunday or monday)18:35
LjLbut fewer tests have been done overall than the same days of last week, anyway :\18:35
BrainstormUpdates for Greece: +372 cases (now 12452), +4 deaths (now 297) since a day ago — World: +11850 cases (now 28.3 million), +210 deaths (now 911888) since 17 minutes ago — Brazil: +11224 cases (now 4.2 million), +204 deaths (now 128857) since 16 hours ago18:36
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Virus lockdown for parts of Spain's Palma de Mallorca: Spain's Balearic Islands region said Thursday it will impose restrictions on over 20,000 people in tourism hotspot Palma de Mallorca due to high numbers of confirmed coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/T12CuJ18:38
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus is hundreds of times more deadly for people over 60 than people under 40: How deadly is SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19? And what are the risks of death for people of different ages and demographics? These have been hard numbers to calculate during this pandemic. → https://is.gd/4uWdd018:48
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: UAE sounds warning after virus cases jump five-fold: The United Arab Emirates said Thursday that daily coronavirus cases had jumped five-fold compared with a month ago, and warned residents and citizens to abide by measures designed to curb the disease. → https://is.gd/A2M9q418:58
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3826 cases (now 28.3 million), +247 deaths (now 912135) since 32 minutes ago — Israel: +1624 cases (now 144673), +20 deaths (now 1075) since 8 hours ago — Curacao: +15 cases (now 131) since a day ago — Lebanon: +560 cases (now 22437), +7 deaths (now 219) since 20 hours ago19:06
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: I still have COVID-19 symptoms. Am I contagious?: With new information about the coronavirus coming out every week, it can be hard to keep track of the details you need to keep your family safe. → https://is.gd/ydA9or19:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Scientists question Russian vaccine data; WHO says world must ramp up trials → https://is.gd/BY85BH19:18
BeeWaterLjL: here @ 6.7%, but R0 is < 1 19:21
BrainstormUpdates for Eritrea: +20 cases (now 361) since a day ago — World: +846 cases (now 28.3 million), +13 deaths (now 912148) since 18 minutes ago — French Guiana: +44 cases (now 9462), +1 deaths (now 63) since 16 hours ago — Papua New Guinea: +3 cases (now 507) since 14 hours ago19:21
BeeWaterfor the last day19:21
BeeWaterthe University of Wisconsin-Madison has canceled in-person classes after more than 1,000 people tested positive for COVID-19 just five days into the fall semester.19:30
LjLBeeWater: well you can't really compare these rates among different countries, it depends on the amount and type of testing, but within one country you can see trends. Also keep in mind R estimates are generally very rough19:43
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BeeWaterLjL: they started some new site here with all the Health Insurance and Hospital logos, seems to just scrape and make averages and add some user stories, but quite cleverly looks like the Chamber of Commerce is included hence19:51
BeeWaterwe can 1 stat on how the local economy is doing with the 7 CV-19 stats, I'm thinking its not appropriate, and a bit of a scam19:52
BeeWaterhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/health/coronavirus-brain.html19:55
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LjLThe brain stuff gets me real anxious20:16
LjLAlso I just happened to walk where, unbeknownst to me, a running race was taking place ;(20:17
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LjLA new microG release is out that supports the COVID-19 exposure notification API as used by countries in this list https://www.xda-developers.com/google-apple-covid-19-contact-tracing-exposure-notifications-api-app-list-countries/20:31
LjLIf you are running an Android phone with the usual Google stuff, this won't concern you, you can just use the apps without doing anything special20:31
LjLif you don't have the GApps on the other hand, depending on your ROM, you can install microG from https://microg.org/download.html but do follow the instructions at https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki/Installation and https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki/Signature-Spoofing because unfortunately Google doesn't make it easy20:33
bin_bashfortunately*20:34
bin_bashit shouldn't be easy to spoof stuff like that20:34
LjLbin_bash, you mean it shouldn't be easy to modify your own phone in your own preferred way, in a very explicit way that involves writing to /system?20:39
LjLlet's not be ridiculous here, Google has a stranglehold on the Android ecosystem *because* they have the Google Play Services20:39
LjLsee also: SafetyNet20:39
bin_bashLjL: no it shouldnt be easy to spoof apk fingerprints20:39
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bin_bashotherwise it defeats the purpose of signing20:40
LjLbin_bash, there shouldn't be a *need to check* the signature of the APK, since by definition that APK resides in /system and cannot be installed as a normal app anyway20:40
LjLclients have no business checking whether i am using an alternative implementation20:40
bin_bashwait maybe i misunderstood, what clients?20:41
LjLif the EU had a clue they would already be banning Google from forcing the Play Services on devices, as it flies in the face of anything antitrust ever20:41
LjLbut instead they are still fixated on browsers, like it's somehow 199820:41
LjLbin_bash, applications that use the Google Mobile Services20:41
bin_bashooooo20:41
LjLwhich is basically "the part of Android that is not open source"20:42
LjLalthough technically it's not part of Android, as in, not part of AOSP20:42
bin_bashWell if the EU did that it would end up impacting every phone and every video game console20:42
LjLbut Google themselves very much treat all those APIs as part of Android, in their documentation20:42
LjLyes, and i would be happy about that20:42
bin_bashyou'd be happy with no phones and no video games?20:42
LjLit would be a greatly positive impact for me as for anyone who doesn't want their banking app to DEMAND that you not modify your phone in ways they do not approve of20:42
LjLbin_bash, don't fucking put words into my mouth20:43
LjLi have a phone. i don't have the google mobile services on it20:43
bin_bashi'm not, i'm trying to clarify20:43
LjLso clearly i'd not have "no phone"20:43
LjLand your whole extrapolation that the EU doing something about Google's monopoly would result in "no phones" is absurd20:43
bin_bashbut iphones wouldnt be sold at all if that was the ruling and there would be no google services available at all. same goes for nintendo, sony, and microsoft video game consoles20:43
bin_bashi'm just trying ton clarify20:43
bin_bashi'm not arguing...20:43
LjLwhy would there be no google services available at all?20:43
LjLi believe you are confusing available with compulsory20:44
LjLwell i am arguing, because you are making claims that as someone who has opposed Google's stranglehold on the Android ecosystem for years, i found outrageous20:44
bin_bashok20:44
bin_bashi guess i have a differing opinion. not a big deal.20:46
LjLwhen the EU forced Microsoft to offer a choice of browsers, were there suddenly "no browsers"?20:47
LjLyour opinion, as stated, simply doesn't make sense20:47
bin_bashwhen did the EU force microsoft to offer a choice of browsers?20:47
LjLyou cannot make an unsubstantiated claim over something, and a very bold one at that ("there would be no phones") and expect that to pass as just another opinion20:47
bin_bashI've never heard of that, as I've been using non-IE browsers on windows since 199520:47
LjLbin_bash, in 2009, and partially before that20:48
LjLhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission20:48
LjLhttps://www.bbc.com/news/technology-2168432920:48
LjLhttps://ec.europa.eu/competition/elojade/isef/case_details.cfm?proc_code=1_3953020:48
bin_bashthanks. interesting that it was only Microsoft and not Apple too20:49
LjLthe EU has recently done the same with Android, except that i fail to see how bundling Chromium is nearly as relevant nowadays as it was for Microsoft back then20:49
LjLbin_bash, it's an antitrust ruling. Apple didn't have a monopoly on computers.20:50
LjLMicrosoft did have very nearly a monopoly20:50
bin_bashApple doesn't even allow you to use any other browser engine than Safari on iPhones and iPads20:50
LjLhttps://ec.europa.eu/competition/consumers/web_browsers_choice_en.html is the page about this "for people"20:50
LjLbin_bash, iPhones and iPads didn't exist when this ruling was issued20:50
bin_bashi know, but they do now20:50
bin_bashshouldn't it have set a precedent that forces Apple to comply as well?20:51
LjLprobably not, especially since Apple also doesn't have a monopoly on phones (although it's got a much larger piece of market share)20:51
bin_bashhm this says 2010 the iphone existed then20:51
LjLthe ruling is from 200920:51
bin_bashyeah the first iphone was like 2006 i think20:52
bin_bashit's just interesting to me, that's all. not sure why they say google has a monopoly but apple doesnt.20:52
LjLand how many people were using it? again, this is about antitrust. if you don't have a near monopoly on something's market, antitrust doesn't look at you20:52
LjLwell i don't know, just as i don't know why they are thinking browsers matter but the google mobile services don't20:53
LjLespecially since after sanctions on Huawei and ZTE, those phones *cannot* bundle the Google services in western markets20:53
LjLand there's also Amazon with their alternative ecosystem, and Google can do *a lot* to stop these other ecosystems from striving20:54
LjLsuch as encouraging apps to use SafetyNet20:54
LjLa lot of apps already use SafetyNet that are not even sensitive in any way (not banking apps, etc). hell Pokemon Go uses SafetyNet20:54
LjLit's ultimately about ensuring you have Google's exact version of Android, with all the bits that Google want to be there, installed20:55
bin_bashthe browser thing just seems like a silly cash grab to me. microsoft has never prevented you from installing your own browser. but apple literally does prevent that. sure, you can install "chrome" or "firefox"20:55
bin_bash but it's just safari with a different UI20:55
LjLthat is obvious monopolistic behavior, but only if someone in the EU has the technical competence to look into it20:55
LjLi don't know why Firefox even plays that game20:55
LjLwell, i know, it's because Mozilla are hypocrites20:55
bin_bashwhat do you mean20:56
LjLi've disliked a number of moves that Mozilla have made in recent years. they have only reinforced my opinion that they basically just keep existing to "prove" that Google does not have a monopoly on browsers20:56
LjLwhen most of their money comes from Google20:57
LjLthey keep adding "features" to Firefox that are spyware or otherwise unsavory20:57
LjLand they justify them arrogantly on Reddit even when most users are appalled20:57
LjLbut then they move on, well, some of them move on... to Chrome. others become diehard20:57
bin_bashi use both chromium and firefox and i like firefox on my phone, i dont use chrome there at all20:58
bin_bashi like chromium's devtools better20:58
bin_bashbut firefox has less tracking and better adblocking20:58
LjLwell, if Firefox is effectively just Safari on Apple devices, then Mozilla shouldn't stomp that low as to offer something called "Firefox" theere20:58
bin_bashand firefox focus is great for just basic browsing that you dont want to save20:58
LjLinstead they should just make a clear statement that they *cannot* offer Firefox on Apple due to Apple's anticompetitive policies20:58
LjLFirefox Focus, originally at least, focused on privacy in particular. and yet, most ironically, it came with analytics that were enabled by default20:59
bin_bashyeah, but they would lose a lot of money20:59
LjLwhich is just beyond ridiculous20:59
bin_bashhm the one i use doesnt have analytics enabled by default20:59
LjLbin_bash, well, they should decide whether they have strong privacy principles or just want money like every other companies. instead they keep one foot in the "we're a charity sort of thing ensuring that people's rights are respected" trench, and the other in "we're a company that gets money from Google and we'll just do what benefits us and/or what Google says"21:00
bin_bashoh wait, do you mean like crash reports21:00
bin_bashbecause it's both21:00
bin_bashdoesn't have to be one or the other21:00
LjLyou're right21:01
LjLyou can either have one, or you can be hypocrites21:01
LjLthey chose being hypocrites21:01
bin_bashi disagree with that but ok21:01
LjLanyway, Firefox Focus couldn't even be released as such in the German market (it's Firefox Klar? i get lost in names, maybe it's the other way around) because in Germany they *had to remove* the default analytics21:01
LjLbecause it's against German law (and EU law, really, it's basically against the GDPR)21:02
LjLso they bundled with their "privacy focused" browser something, in the US, that's actually too bad to pass under EU privacy law21:02
LjLhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_Focus#Firefox_Klar21:03
bin_bashall it sends is technical crash data but it's disabled by default so maybe they changerd it21:04
LjLit claims the reason is to avoid ambiguity on the name "Focus", but the fact remains that the version is *technically different* and has telemetry disabled21:04
metroI'm hoping to see a paid Mozilla email service integrated into Firefox personally21:04
bin_bashmetro: why21:04
metroand maybe a VPN21:04
metroIt's about the only services I would pay for21:04
LjLbin_bash, no, it's not disabled by default21:04
bin_bashok but why would you pay for that21:04
LjL"Not 100% clear I am whether telemetry would be a concern. Documentation writes it can be turned off, and being turned off is the default for Klar (while for Focus the default is telemetry turned on)"21:04
LjLhttps://gitlab.com/fdroid/rfp/-/issues/23521:05
metroI'm not that keen on donating to them carte blanche21:05
metroand they clearly need the revenue21:05
bin_bashLjL: i just cleared data and checked and it was disabled so idk but it's just crash data which i dont even mind sending since crash reports are important21:05
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bin_bashso maybe it changed in a newer version21:06
LjLtelemetry is not just crash reports21:06
LjLhttps://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/send-usage-data-firefox-mobile-browsers#w_technical-and-interaction-data21:06
metroWell if your using developer, beta, or nightly that's happening by default 21:06
LjLhttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Telemetry21:07
bin_bashLjL: technical and interaction data and crash and error data are the only ones that impacts firefox focus. so like... how many tabs you have open, number of pages visited, etc21:08
bin_bashit should be disabled by default though, def agree with that21:09
LjLyes well "technical and interaction data" i.e. what you do with the browser is not just "crash report" and it's definitely something that needs to be off by default under the GDPR21:09
LjLwell, it *is* disabled by default but only in Germany where the law is more stringent21:09
LjLwhich makes it even more obvious they're invading privacy knowingly, by having two separate versions21:10
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bin_bashLjL: the number of tabs you have open and the number of sites youive visited isn't really PII though21:10
LjLthen i guess they disabled it in Germany just because they weren't interested in how many tabs Germans had, but only everybody else's21:12
LjLan interesting choice21:12
LjLalso you're the one saying it's only the number of tabs and sites21:12
LjLto me, "technical and interaction data" could really be a LOT of things21:12
bin_bashlet me look one sec, last time i read about it it was mostly like number of tabs, number of pages, hw, addons 21:13
bin_bashone sec21:13
bin_bashso this is for desktop i dont see a specific page for firefox focus https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/telemetry-clientidhttps://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/telemetry-clientid21:14
bin_bashbut yeah it is more than i thoguht for desktop at least21:14
bin_bashi def see the hypocrisy now LjL 21:15
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ryoumapanopticlick --- 12:13 <bin_bash> let me look one sec, last time i read about it it was mostly like number of tabs, number of pages, hw, addons 22:55
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bin_bashryouma: what23:01
ryoumanever mind.  not awake.  just saying that is fingerprintable.  which probably all of you already knew.23:02
ryoumaprobably dow to the indiviodual23:02
bin_bashnah not with ff focus because there aren't any addons23:02
ryoumai was pointing to the addons that you mnentioned23:19
ryoumawhat measures exist for flu?  isn't it true that measures for one thing are more or less the same as for the other?  other than vaccine etc.23:20
ryoumas/isn't/is/23:20
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