ryouma | emigrants might too? | 00:00 |
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Jigsy | Not necessarily. | 00:00 |
Jigsy | Maybe they just want a better life or lifestyle. | 00:00 |
ryouma | keyword "might" | 00:00 |
ryouma | but sure it could be just a subtle distinction | 00:00 |
ryouma | "Giving up of allegiance to one state for allegiance to another in a manner considered illegitimate by the first state" | 00:01 |
ryouma | which would fit jumping bail too :) | 00:02 |
ryouma | perhaps it is just me but it seems as if world leaders do not know what they are doing, or have incentives antithetic to what many citizens want. i wonder if this is being noticed and could lead to positive leadership change. or... could amplfy negative. | 00:04 |
ryouma | al* | 00:04 |
ryouma | i guess that's off topic maybe | 00:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Californian investigation, COVID cases spur bill requiring employers disclose workplace outbreaks → https://is.gd/yj7zlg | 00:05 |
LjL | it seems pretty obvious to me why she's being described as a "defector" here | 00:06 |
LjL | she left her country because she's scared of what would happen to her after saying the things she's said about it | 00:06 |
LjL | whatever the exact definition of a "defector" is, that fits it commonsensically | 00:06 |
ryouma | sure | 00:07 |
ryouma | is snowden a defector? | 00:08 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. is not 'rounding the corner' on COVID -Fauci | Reuters Video → https://is.gd/EnCEUc | 00:15 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 70-year-old punched, spat on, dragged by hair after asking maskless man to follow COVID protocols → https://is.gd/HyKiZJ | 00:25 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 48 Percent of Elite High Endurance Athletes Suffer Myorcardial Inflammation Post Coronavirus → https://is.gd/KJqPys | 01:05 |
LjL | interesting | 01:13 |
LjL | the link above, de-facto, ubLIX[m], is actually... a 2009 study about athletes who've had the common cold | 01:14 |
LjL | however "coronavirus" isn't mentioned anywhere in the article, so i assume it was a provocation by the Reddit poster, but still | 01:14 |
LjL | i want to report it... and i also... don't | 01:18 |
LjL | oh well, they noticed already, so no need | 01:18 |
de-facto | seems they are at it already yeah | 01:22 |
de-facto | i mean it would be interesting to compare to older studies but not with such a title since "Coronavirus" imprecise term will mostly be associated with SARS-CoV-2 nowadays | 01:23 |
de-facto | it reminds me of the study about post SARS-CoV-2 infections and associated myocardial inflammation in 60% of them independent of preexisting conditions or severeness | 01:25 |
de-facto | %title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916 | 01:25 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA Network | 01:25 |
LjL | de-facto, it reminded me of the same, that's exactly why i found it interesting | 01:29 |
LjL | not just becuase someone managed to fool some redditors :P | 01:29 |
LjL | it makes me feel a tiny bit better | 01:29 |
LjL | it may not be very rational since it doesn't say you *don't* get myocardial inflammation post-COVID | 01:29 |
LjL | it just says you *also* get it with other things | 01:29 |
LjL | but... well, it's common colds, and we rarely end up with tragic consequences from one | 01:30 |
LjL | (or do we?) | 01:30 |
de-facto | well thats might be quite an interesting question: would we end up with severe progressions if we never encountered a common cold (e.g. as children or such) | 01:31 |
LjL | de-facto, there are maaaaaany viruses causing what we call "common cold" though (which is probably just a shortcoming in our ability to distinguish similar symptoms, or we'd call them all something different) | 01:31 |
LjL | is it likely that we've encountered all of them when we were children enough that our immune system was in the forming phase? | 01:32 |
de-facto | yeah i meant the "common cold" corona viruses | 01:32 |
LjL | de-facto, oh well, i've heard more than one time the hypothesis that COVID-19 will eventually become another of the "common cold" coronaviruses effectively, and that conversely one of those coronaviruses was a pretty bad epidemic in 1800-something | 01:33 |
de-facto | thats the point, would they potentially be much more serious if we would not have been challenged with them as children already? | 01:33 |
LjL | but still, it's a few viruses, have we possibly been challenged with them all | 01:33 |
LjL | i mean, a few of us probably have | 01:33 |
LjL | but then we'd have at least *some* people suffering serious consequences from a common cold | 01:33 |
LjL | because they just happened not to encounter that particular virus as children | 01:34 |
de-facto | afaik diseases "harmless" for us here may be fatal to populations which never had contact to the pathogen (e.g. indigenous people with no contact to our circulating pathogens) | 01:34 |
LjL | i'm sure there are indeed "some" people suffering serious consequences, i don't know the numbers and i don't know whether they'd be consistent with the amount of people who statistically may not have encountered a particular common cold virus as a child, i'll grant you that | 01:34 |
LjL | de-facto, but that might also partly be down to evolution, and not just the immune system being primed | 01:35 |
de-facto | its fairly common in western world to be in kindergarden and widely known that children catch a lot of colds during that time, its even considered normal | 01:35 |
de-facto | yes many factors might play a role in this | 01:35 |
de-facto | i just think it might be an interesting question from an immunologic perspective | 01:36 |
LjL | fair | 01:36 |
ryouma | if you have sle a cold can make you much sicker. probably true of a bunch of diseases, possibly including long covid. | 01:44 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: This U.S. Doctor Wishes We Had Treated COVID as a Natural Disaster, Not a Public Health Emergency | Slate.com → https://is.gd/dnKt72 | 01:46 |
ryouma | anecdotally, it is possible for a cold to also make you feel better in other symptoms | 01:46 |
Dyna | %cases victoria | 01:46 |
Brainstorm | Dyna: In Victoria, Australia, there have been 19800 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 716 deaths (3.6% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 69000 tests were performed (28.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Victoria for time series data. | 01:46 |
de-facto | btw to be fair and relativize, since we dont have data for long term effects we also dont know yet if or how long lasting such effects will turn out to be in the aftermath | 01:49 |
de-facto | in regards to the myocardial inflammation issues et al | 01:50 |
ryouma | which itself can be thought of as disturbing when chronicity is not really taken into account. | 01:51 |
ryouma | there are articles about it but it's not clear if policy cares | 01:51 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese virologist who fled to the US after claiming Beijing covered up Covid-19 vows to publish evidence PROVING the virus is manmade. → https://is.gd/dSQCQY | 01:56 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: University of Oxford resumes vaccine trial (10028 votes) | https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/trial-resumes | https://redd.it/irc82v | 02:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Every COVID-19 Death Has Devastated a Family → https://is.gd/Pjhu4t | 02:36 |
LjL | Except for the ones who didn't have a family, presumably | 02:55 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'Divorce boom' forecast as lockdown sees advice queries rise → https://is.gd/C5J9lS | 03:07 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally COVID-19 study overstates impact → https://is.gd/wbb0lB | 03:27 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France’s Daily Coronavirus case total surpasses 10,000 for the first time as virus surges → https://is.gd/ODLfX8 | 03:37 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Apple Store in Edinburgh refused disabled customer, despite having medical exemption from having to wear face masks → https://is.gd/FFnGyJ | 03:47 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Domestic air travel recovers in Wuhan, China → https://is.gd/VJjN1o | 03:57 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest. Mask wearing might also be reducing the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic → https://is.gd/elWGlP | 04:07 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Pfizer and BioNTech Propose Expansion of Pivotal COVID-19 Vaccine Trial (82 votes) | https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-propose-expansion-pivotal-covid-19 | https://redd.it/irfrdh | 04:13 |
ryouma | what made polio eradicable? | 04:22 |
ryouma | oops not polio, smallpox | 04:22 |
tinwhiskers | a concerted vaccination programme, likely impossible in the modern dark ages of social media mistruths | 04:29 |
tinwhiskers | half the world seems to be completely bonkers | 04:30 |
iz | mandataory vaccinations for years, right? | 04:30 |
iz | yeah | 04:30 |
ryouma | and the other half is nuts | 04:30 |
iz | the us only stopped making it mandatory after it was considered eradicated | 04:30 |
tinwhiskers | but try doing that now.. MAH FREEDUM! | 04:31 |
iz | i guess you have to do it for a generation or three | 04:31 |
tinwhiskers | not that we *should* have mandatory vaccinations yet without any properly tested vaccines :-) | 04:32 |
tinwhiskers | still, there will come a point soon where the risk of vaccination is far lower than the risk of harm from covid but people will still choose covid | 04:33 |
ryouma | you can't test on all diseases, genotypes, immune system profiles, etc., so you need for certain categories of chronic disease not to have to take the risk. butg htat's not a huge precentage. | 04:33 |
tinwhiskers | yes vaccines always have some risk | 04:33 |
tinwhiskers | the risk of not having them is far higher though | 04:33 |
ryouma | in hiv/aids they know now tha thtey can just increase their antiretrovirals i think | 04:33 |
ryouma | that would depend | 04:34 |
tinwhiskers | of course there are some people who should (and are) exempted but in the general population the risk will be far below the risk of dying or permanent harm from covid. | 04:34 |
tinwhiskers | and yet people will protest and refuse. | 04:35 |
iz | yeah, that's who herd immunity is actually meant for | 04:35 |
tinwhiskers | yeah | 04:35 |
ryouma | yes. but the first part of your sentence is normally left out of the debate because it muddies the message rhetorically, but needs to be there | 04:35 |
ryouma | some things are made illegal that shold be legal and something tells me the anti mask leagues are not among those who protest their freedom | 04:37 |
ryouma | so, who is feeding them their beliefs? | 04:37 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Arkansas reports 631 new coronavirus cases, 11 deaths → https://is.gd/TQEpP5 | 04:38 |
ryouma | i wonder what the usa would look like now if it were perceived as a terrorist attack instead of a pandemic | 04:39 |
ryouma | you'd get more authoritarianism with less protests about freedom | 04:39 |
iz | idk, i think the terrorist thing has been run a bit thin in the usa by now | 04:40 |
ryouma | i didn't know htat | 04:40 |
ryouma | your homework is to make mask wearing patriotic | 04:41 |
iz | it was like at peak high in 2001 and kinda just deflating slowly since then, i think.. and then after some high profile victories, even less of a thing, and i think ppl even are a bit suspicious now when things are labeled as terrorism | 04:42 |
iz | the problem america has right now is it's an election year and we have one of the most divisive canidates and both sides are spending billions to spin the truth to thier favor (or even make up lies) | 04:44 |
ryouma | np though, vaccine rollout a day or two before the election :/ | 04:44 |
iz | so if one side says wearing masks is good, there will be a substantial percentage of the population that will be contrary just to piss off the other side | 04:44 |
iz | which is fueled by billions in advertising | 04:45 |
ryouma | that say do not wear masks? | 04:45 |
iz | not directly, but it's an indirect message | 04:46 |
iz | it's readily apparent by the percentage of people wearing masks at gatherings of one side vs the other | 04:47 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How Your Indoor Air Ventilation Affects Coronavirus Spread → https://is.gd/imNSb8 | 04:59 |
ryouma | iz: you believe it is due to advertising? | 05:07 |
iz | well, campaigning which includes all that | 05:08 |
iz | spread via traditional mass media, internet, rallies, presidential addresses, tv show apperances, etc, etc | 05:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Counts Based on Death Certificates Underestimate COVID-19 Mortality Rates → https://is.gd/GkYNk8 | 05:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ICMR shocker: India missed 80 corona cases for every one detected → https://is.gd/HA3bmf | 05:50 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +103023 cases (now 29.0 million), +2109 deaths (now 925811) since 11 hours ago — US: +24871 cases (now 6.7 million), +453 deaths (now 198128) since 11 hours ago — Brazil: +17909 cases (now 4.3 million), +404 deaths (now 131274) since 11 hours ago — India: +11267 cases (now 4.8 million), +105 deaths (now 78614) since 11 hours ago | 05:51 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Beyond Six Feet: A Guideline to Limit Indoor Airborne Transmission of COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.26.20182824v1 | https://redd.it/iranqt | 05:56 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: As Egypt's tourist sites reopen, archaeologists unearth 13 mysterious mummies → https://is.gd/z6ba2z | 06:00 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vitamin D reduced the rate of ICU admission from 50% to 2%. Do black lives matter? → https://is.gd/nbGiTx | 06:20 |
ryouma | if that were a drug there would be hoopla | 06:26 |
ryouma | i thought that d3 at least was supposedd to be taken to get your levels to normal levels and then you for soe reason stop them if symptoms start. but this version they give to those who aalready have covid. | 06:29 |
ryouma | is this readily avail and is it a drug and what is the difference from d3? | 06:30 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canada reports zero COVID-19 deaths for first time since March → https://is.gd/rVJGpo | 06:30 |
RoseCity | vit d is actually more like a hormone as i recall | 06:31 |
ryouma | sniffer dogs? | 06:33 |
ryouma | so you could let loose a few dogs at a wedding and train them to bark at the infected? | 06:33 |
ryouma | RoseCity: yes i have heard that but don't know the science | 06:34 |
de-facto | btw just a note on making SARS-CoV-2 extinct via vaccinations: since it easily infects also animals there are good chances it may survive outside humans in some natural reservoir | 06:34 |
de-facto | cats, dogs, mice, ferrets, etc | 06:35 |
ryouma | yeah :( | 06:37 |
ryouma | at least pets can be vaccinated | 06:37 |
ryouma | and maybe some lab animals | 06:37 |
ryouma | (in principle) | 06:37 |
de-facto | yeah i am not saying its impossible or such, just that this has to be taken into account if that would be the goal | 06:37 |
Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology*: TWiV 663: The joy of vax: Daniel Griffin provides a clinical report on COVID-19, including vaccines, Alan summarizes a vaccine webinar on the most advanced US trials, a nidovirus from snapping turtles, longevity of memory B cells in recovered patients, and listener email. → https://is.gd/0XMfD6 | 06:40 |
de-facto | pets probably are not the main problem since they dont live in herds or such, yet if it would constantly circulate in mice or rats populations it might become much more challenging to eradicate | 06:41 |
de-facto | afaik there already have been humans giving it to fur farm ferret populations and they infected back a human, so such ping pong effects are thinkable on every close contact situations | 06:42 |
RoseCity | yeah covid forever, thanks to the US | 06:48 |
de-facto | and the original natural reservoir (other than bats) also is still unknown afaik | 06:54 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Ivermectin: A Closer Look at a Potential Remedy (80 votes) | https://www.cureus.com/articles/37039-ivermectin-a-closer-look-at-a-potential-remedy | https://redd.it/iqxdl6 | 06:56 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Quebec, Canada: +244 cases (now 64707), +6 deaths (now 5780) since a day ago — World: +8385 cases (now 29.0 million), +87 deaths (now 925898) since an hour ago — Ukraine: +2646 cases (now 155558), +54 deaths (now 3206) since an hour ago — India: +2568 cases (now 4.8 million) since an hour ago | 07:07 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: “When Will We Have a Vaccine?” — Understanding Questions and Answers about Covid-19 Vaccination → https://is.gd/9FmDeD | 07:10 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Beshear reports 720 new COVID-19 cases, 13 deaths → https://is.gd/IAzVE2 | 07:31 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest. Mask wearing might also be reducing the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic (10322 votes) | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr | https://redd.it/irpg | 07:38 |
ryouma | given the problems with introduced species, DEFINITELY i am not proposing such a thing, but is there such a thing as a countervirus, or a bacterium that kills virus, or suchlike? again, not proposing it, just a theoretical q. | 07:38 |
RoseCity | phages ryouma | 07:39 |
ryouma | phages infect bacteria. are you saying they kill mammal viruses? | 07:39 |
ryouma | also, that crispr thing. could you create a harmless version to outcompete? | 07:40 |
ryouma | hmm, maybe that doesn't work in viruses, dunno | 07:40 |
RoseCity | well a virus is a piece of DNA/RNA, it's not alive to kill | 07:44 |
ryouma | so why did you meantion them? | 07:44 |
RoseCity | eg that book Planet of Viruses | 07:45 |
RoseCity | ryouma, I was wrong | 07:45 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Chhattisgarh, India: +3120 cases (now 61763), +20 deaths (now 539) since a day ago — Arkansas, US: +1799 cases (now 69710), +16 deaths (now 969) since a day ago — North Dakota, US: +467 cases (now 15151), +3 deaths (now 167) since a day ago — Himachal Pradesh, India: +445 cases (now 9229), +2 deaths (now 73) since a day ago | 07:52 |
tinwhiskers | Bacteria also have to deal with viruses and can be coopted into fighting them for you, but it's very early days in that regard. | 07:54 |
tinwhiskers | because of the high rate of change in bacteria they can potentially "invent" a treatment faster than us. | 07:55 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Trump pressed for a plasma treatment. Officials worry, is a vaccine next? → https://is.gd/gBNchq | 08:01 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The Latest: India's cases rise to 4.75M with another spike → https://is.gd/Cs0aV8 | 08:22 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus Global Updates, Sept 13: France’s daily caseload surpasses 10k for first time → https://is.gd/RdDKgK | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +152 cases (now 2227) since a day ago — World: +152 cases (now 29.0 million), +3 deaths (now 925901) since an hour ago — El Salvador: +3 deaths (now 785) since 21 hours ago | 08:52 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19: Fauci says US life won’t return to normal until deep into 2021 → https://is.gd/jJJQof | 09:13 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Regardless of Covid restrictions, if people are dying in large numbers your economy is stuffed → https://is.gd/BQtdks | 09:23 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'I was dying with coronavirus in intensive care and now people tell me it was a myth' → https://is.gd/VxaIug | 09:33 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 96% patients recovered from coronavirus in Pakistan → https://is.gd/ei4RHs | 09:54 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France reports over 10,000 new coronavirus cases in record surge → https://is.gd/DdRJ8G | 10:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Oxford vaccine trials halted after patient suffered severe neurological symptoms, AztraZeneca confirms → https://is.gd/mc0hEF | 11:25 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 186 days without a gig – music industry counts toll of Lockdown 2.0 → https://is.gd/D9CRrM | 11:35 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scores arrested at protests in Australia's coronavirus hotspot → https://is.gd/Kh8R0U | 11:45 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Estonia has built HOIA, an app to contact trace the coronavirus while preserving the privacy of individuals → https://is.gd/IPwGTH | 11:56 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A 26 year old US woman has acted as super spreader for Germany's currently largest outbreak of Covid-19 when she visited multiple clubs and bars in one evening despite showing coronavirus-like symptoms. → https://is.gd/R1bwdQ | 12:06 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Antibody Test Developed for COVID-19 That is Sensitive, Specific and Scalable → https://is.gd/7kDFZ1 | 12:26 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Belief in COVID‐19 Conspiracy Theories Reduces Social Distancing over Time → https://is.gd/fjimai | 12:36 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UK faces second hard national lockdown if we don't follow COVID-19 rules, adviser warns → https://is.gd/fZxdOk | 12:57 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: About 8,800 unaccompanied children expelled at U.S. border under coronavirus-related measure → https://is.gd/fPAElE | 13:07 |
pas5 | %cases UK | 13:51 |
Brainstorm | pas5: In United Kingdom, there have been 365174 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.5% of cases) as of a minute ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 13:51 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: No masks, no distancing: Schools in Denmark defy COVID-19 - with success so far | CBC News → https://is.gd/RbWpps | 14:08 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Special education teacher from the Lapeer Community Schools district died due to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/gZhlmg | 14:18 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Vaccine trial resumes as virus continues grim march: Clinical trials of one of the most advanced experimental COVID-19 vaccines resumed Saturday after a brief safety pause, as infection numbers continued to march upward in countries across the globe. → https://is.gd/8DB3i0 | 14:28 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: France reports more than 10,000 daily virus cases: France reported more than 10,000 new coronavirus cases on Saturday, its highest daily number since wide-scale testing was launched in the country. → https://is.gd/PQD1rP | 14:38 |
de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, found something interesting: https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000119466 | 14:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 14:40 |
de-facto | https://github.com/timueh/COVID-19 | 14:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nowcasting, well | 14:41 |
de-facto | they claim their approach behaves better than original RKI | 14:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's not really difficult to achieve a goal | 14:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I deliberately want _no_ nowcasting in my statistics. I want to filter out the effects this statistical predictive filtering tries to calculate | 14:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | they are noise in my book | 14:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and the developers admit it's overemphasizing noise | 14:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aka artifacts | 14:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | in the end it's about last 4 days anyway, nowcasting has no use whatsoever for older data | 14:45 |
de-facto | i think their approach is quite interesting, in particular in regards to compensating weekly periodicity | 14:46 |
de-facto | may be better than a simple smoothing to assume same days of week behave in a similar way and base the approach on that assumption | 14:46 |
de-facto | e.g. possibly could preserve peaks better (unfortunately their data does not contain the famous Tönnies peak) | 14:47 |
Atque | de-facto: Removing weekly periodicity seems easy, surely? | 14:50 |
de-facto | yes for example with a rolling average over the period of a week, possible weighted with a gaussian distribution or such, but what if there is a real peak hiding amoung the weekly periodic peaks? such a peak should not be smoothed but preserved as good as possible to reflect its properties in derived entities such as the reproduction number | 14:55 |
de-facto | also such approaches may introduce phase shifts | 14:57 |
Atque | de-facto: Have you heard of local mean decomposition? | 14:58 |
de-facto | the phaseshift may be addressed by doing time symmetric rolling averages around the pivot point instead of just taking values from the past into account | 14:58 |
de-facto | how does that work? | 14:59 |
Atque | de-facto: Oh! It's a cool technique for non-parametric blind source signal decomposition. | 15:00 |
de-facto | what are its main advantages? | 15:01 |
Atque | de-facto: Man, I'm drunk and having issues, but it's really good... for lots of things, like improving time-series forecasting through good feature extraction for NNs etc. | 15:01 |
de-facto | ok thanks i will read into it :) | 15:02 |
Atque | de-facto: Well, it is very computationally efficient compared to wavelet composition and can handle nonstationary signals unlike Fourier analysis. | 15:02 |
Atque | Yeah, it's really good. | 15:02 |
Atque | I know I'm doing going an ideal job of selling it. But yeah, it is very very good. | 15:02 |
de-facto | do you have a good paper on it? | 15:02 |
Atque | A good paper is Jonathan S. Smith. The local mean decomposition and its application to EEG perception data. Journal of the Royal Society Interface, 2005, 2(5):443-454. | 15:03 |
Atque | I will try to find a hyperlink, but I'm too drunk to do complicated things. | 15:03 |
de-facto | oh neat i had that already open in my tab from googling it :) | 15:03 |
de-facto | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1618495/ | 15:04 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Antibody Test Developed for COVID-19 That is Sensitive, Specific and Scalable (86 votes) | https://news.utexas.edu/2020/09/11/antibody-test-developed-for-covid-19-that-is-sensitive-specific-and-scalable/ | https://redd.it/irvoto | 15:04 |
de-facto | https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2005.0058 | 15:05 |
Atque | de-facto: Yeah, it's very good for website and marketing analytics imo | 15:11 |
Atque | de-facto: Lol, your name is good, man | 15:11 |
Jigsy | %cases UK | 15:12 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 365174 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.5% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 15:12 |
de-facto | thanks for that, i definitely will read into it :) | 15:14 |
Atque | de-facto: Yeah, it's the best non-parametric method for decomposing signals into periodic components i think. | 15:15 |
Atque | Man... I'm so drunk I feel like I have alzheimers. Are you guys judging me? I can't tell. | 15:16 |
de-facto | relax no judging, your words make sense, thanks for telling me about local mean decomposition | 15:18 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Cases in France leap past 10,000 a day → https://is.gd/Xvw8HO | 15:19 |
Atque | de-facto: Cool, sounds good. | 15:24 |
Atque | But yea.... I'm kind of like rly rly fucking drunk. | 15:24 |
de-facto | hehe then dont forget to drink enough water to kill possible hangover :P | 15:26 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Cases Have Reached Record Levels in the Midwest → https://is.gd/9c1i4c | 15:39 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: As coronavirus cases in the Dakotas surge, anti-mask sentiment intensifies → https://is.gd/nnOP0a | 16:00 |
Atque | Brainstorm: Man, ppl are dum. | 16:04 |
de-facto | LMD somehow reminds me of envelope tracking in LTE or 5G cellphone radio technology | 16:11 |
de-facto | splitting the original signal into a product of amplitude and frequency modulated signals | 16:12 |
de-facto | is sounds like it may be computational expensive though in terms of requirement for several iterations on splitting the previous step result once again into amplitude and frequency product functions | 16:17 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Care homes in England warned of rise in infections: Current cases are mainly among staff but risk spreading to residents, a government letter says. → https://is.gd/ii8w8j | 16:20 |
de-facto | its quite a cool approach and may be indeed applicable in analyzing periodic incidence | 16:28 |
IdotMaster1 | FUCK COVID | 16:57 |
LjL | IdotMaster1, we all feel the same i suspect, but such outbursts are of no use | 17:01 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +73240 cases (now 29.1 million), +1019 deaths (now 926920) since 8 hours ago — India: +34237 cases (now 4.8 million), +317 deaths (now 78931) since 10 hours ago — US: +7307 cases (now 6.7 million), +54 deaths (now 198182) since 11 hours ago — Russia: +5449 cases (now 1.1 million), +94 deaths (now 18578) since a day ago | 17:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Texas reports 3,905 news cases, 146 more deaths → https://is.gd/ECicfH | 17:51 |
LjL | 18<29Atque18> Brainstorm: Man, ppl are dum. ← he said, while not realizing he's talking to a bot | 17:55 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than 200 meat plant workers in the U.S. have died of covid-19. Federal regulators just issued two modest fines. → https://is.gd/iF4jDj | 18:01 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy: +346 deaths (now 695) since 9 minutes ago — World: +9685 cases (now 29.1 million), +61 deaths (now 926981) since 52 minutes ago — US: +5484 cases (now 6.7 million), +38 deaths (now 198220) since 52 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +2121 cases (now 368504) since 49 minutes ago | 18:09 |
pas5 | %cases pennsylvania | 18:42 |
Brainstorm | pas5: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 148635 confirmed cases (1.2% of the population) and 7829 deaths (5.3% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (10.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:42 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Pfizer coronavirus vaccine could be given to Americans before end of the year, CEO says: If the Food and Drug Administration approves the vaccine, the company is prepared to distribute "hundreds of thousands of doses, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said. → https://is.gd/jrK7bL | 18:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +61292 cases (now 29.2 million), +1059 deaths (now 928040) since an hour ago — India: +49359 cases (now 4.8 million), +759 deaths (now 79690) since an hour ago — Mozambique: +229 cases (now 5269) since a day ago — Brazil: +3326 cases (now 4.3 million), +134 deaths (now 131408) since 13 hours ago | 19:09 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than 500 new cases of COVID-19 and dozens of deaths confirmed in South Carolina → https://is.gd/E231Dv | 19:12 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: "We sent 500 tests. They don’t answer calls": Inside ICE’s coronavirus testing disaster → https://is.gd/lROh49 | 19:22 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Cop stomps on the head of man during a dramatic arrest in lockdown Melbourne → https://is.gd/JvBAJD | 19:53 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +252 cases (now 3314), +2 deaths (now 24) since a day ago — World: +9519 cases (now 29.2 million), +161 deaths (now 928201) since an hour ago — Iraq: +3531 cases (now 290309), +73 deaths (now 8014) since a day ago — US: +3225 cases (now 6.7 million), +54 deaths (now 198293) since an hour ago | 20:09 |
LjL | app fiasco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.repubblica.it%2Fcronaca%2F2020%2F09%2F13%2Fnews%2Fbug_di_immuni_mette_a_rischio_il_controllo_dei_contagi-267163423%2F | 20:12 |
de-facto | wow good they found it then, i think most of those apps are like selling green bananas, delivered early to reach their full potential when already in the hands of the users | 20:14 |
de-facto | i think the German app also discovered a mistake that the app itself could be backgrounded in a way it never would warn the user if not explicitely opened as in the user querying the app for results (e.g. pull in stead of desired push) | 20:16 |
LjL | de-facto, except they should have been ready before they were even green | 20:16 |
LjL | according to the original schedules, and needs | 20:16 |
LjL | de-facto, i think this is probably the same "bug" | 20:16 |
LjL | it's really Android being a piece of crap to apps | 20:16 |
LjL | it's the reason apps *had* to rely on a mechanism Google provides, even worse on Apple, instead of just... being apps | 20:17 |
LjL | over each subsequent version of Android, background running capabilities have been more and more curtailed (and other things too) | 20:17 |
de-facto | yeah its battery vs being informed with most current state | 20:18 |
de-facto | thats why its good the apps have been launched in the summer so testing could be done while case numbers still are low | 20:19 |
LjL | no it's those companies having control vs not | 20:22 |
LjL | battery is an excuse, if they were serious about battery they'd introduce much more powerful concepts | 20:23 |
LjL | they can get AI to do wonderful things but they can't determine when an app is consuming battery for nothing vs running in the background when it needs to? | 20:23 |
LjL | the Google Play Services are one of the thing that consume the most battery, try running a phone without those and see the difference | 20:24 |
de-facto | i dont know the exact details but it was like the app not waking on Samsung and Huawei devices for pulling the latest stats from the Google Services hence not warning the user if not explicitly opened something like that | 20:24 |
de-facto | it was the first think i ensured after installing it (one hour after it was released :) that it would not be killed with something like this here https://dontkillmyapp.com/ | 20:25 |
LjL | Huawei phones can't have the Google Play Services due to sanctions, so the app wasn't available at all for a while until they made an alternative API to Google's one | 20:25 |
de-facto | yeah i know | 20:26 |
LjL | you go figure if people have to be vulnerable even when they might be among the not-so-many who *want* to install the app just due to silly trade wars Trump comes up with | 20:27 |
de-facto | tbh im still not entirely convinced they function correctly, i have seen Huawei phones with installed app yet i could not scan beacons from them (admitted i did not scan for an extended period of time) | 20:28 |
de-facto | but that was long time ago, so maybe they fixed that now | 20:29 |
LjL | de-facto, how do you see if you get beacons from them? does Google expose that? (i know of ways to do that but i'm just curious what you're using, i know you can do it with BLE scanning apps) | 20:30 |
de-facto | with signal strength and nothing in proximity producing comparable strength | 20:32 |
LjL | %fdroid UUID | 20:33 |
Brainstorm | LjL, UUID 0xFD6F Scanner 0.9.1.7 (com.emacberry.uuid0xfd6fscan) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Scan for BluetoothLE Beacons with UUID 0xFD6F - updated 2020-09-09, see https://github.com/marq24/UUID0xFD6FTracer | 20:33 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announces new countrywide lockdown starting Friday amid surge in virus cases. → https://is.gd/Tbxb0B | 20:34 |
LjL | kind of quirky for me, also not very informative, just shows the number of current beacons | 20:34 |
de-facto | yeah i used BeaconScope | 20:34 |
de-facto | was mentioned in one of the bug reports, yet i think its not open | 20:34 |
LjL | i've also used | 20:35 |
LjL | %fdroid BLExplorer | 20:35 |
Brainstorm | LjL, BLExplorer 1.2 (org.ligi.blexplorer) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Bluetooth Low Energy Explorer - updated 2016-11-07, see https://github.com/ligi/BLExplorer | 20:35 |
LjL | to confirm what the UUID app was doing, but of course with this one i have to visually search for 0xfd6f | 20:35 |
de-facto | hmm interesting | 20:36 |
de-facto | hmm does not work on my device | 20:37 |
de-facto | probably too pld | 20:38 |
de-facto | old | 20:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israel to set new nationwide lockdown as virus cases surge → https://is.gd/5nsfVW | 20:54 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Burkina Faso: +193 cases (now 1707) since 15 hours ago — World: +491 cases (now 29.2 million) since 55 minutes ago — Aruba: +52 cases (now 3046) since 15 hours ago — Chad: +1 cases (now 1084) since 15 hours ago | 20:54 |
Jigsy | %cases UK | 21:20 |
Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 368504 confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.4% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 21:20 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: No masks, no distancing: Schools in Denmark defy COVID-19 — with success so far → https://is.gd/7d83FN | 21:24 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Movie theaters rushed to reopen, but now there are no blockbusters to play → https://is.gd/wgyy68 | 21:54 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +12988 cases (now 29.2 million), +146 deaths (now 928347) since an hour ago — India: +7051 cases (now 4.8 million), +64 deaths (now 79754) since 2 hours ago — US: +5412 cases (now 6.7 million), +77 deaths (now 198370) since an hour ago — Curacao: +12 cases (now 157) since 16 hours ago | 21:55 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Israel to set new nationwide lockdown as virus cases surge: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday announced a new countrywide lockdown will be imposed amid a stubborn surge in coronavirus cases, with schools and parts of the economy expected to shut down in a bid to bring down infection rates. → https://is.gd/AvaCCw | 22:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3696 cases (now 29.2 million), +55 deaths (now 928402) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1736 cases (now 6.7 million), +29 deaths (now 198399) since 16 minutes ago — South Africa: +1579 cases (now 649793), +20 deaths (now 15447) since 16 hours ago — Uzbekistan: +245 cases (now 47287), +2 deaths (now 390) since 4 hours ago | 22:05 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Israel Announces 3-week Nationwide Coronavirus Lockdown → https://is.gd/LvdO1q | 22:25 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Wisconsin reports record-breaking 1,582 new coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/o2FgDo | 22:35 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus cases are growing in 11 U.S. states as Fauci warns of 'disturbing' data: Covid-19 cases continued to grow over the weekend in nearly a dozen states as the nation's leading infectious disease expert warns about the nation's worrying level of new infections. → https://is.gd/s7GfT7 | 22:45 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Cabo Verde: +102 cases (now 4813) since 17 hours ago — World: +2541 cases (now 29.2 million), +30 deaths (now 928432) since 48 minutes ago — Israel: +1845 cases (now 155604), +11 deaths (now 1119) since 5 hours ago — US: +330 cases (now 6.7 million), +15 deaths (now 198414) since 48 minutes ago | 22:50 |
ryouma | were there no classic movies about the spanish flu? | 23:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Russia to send Mexico 32 million doses of Covid vaccine in November → https://is.gd/QK0L8V | 23:05 |
ryouma | what is rate of cases per capita called? and is this reported with standard deviation or similar? | 23:22 |
ryouma | what is rate of infectious cases per capita called? and is this reported with standard deviation or similar?* | 23:22 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 7 cases of COVID-19 linked to Toronto strip club → https://is.gd/jgLo8k | 23:25 |
iz | trump: the infection rate relative to the population size? no, you can't do that.. | 23:27 |
ryouma | i'd like to see a heat map of that measure, whatever it is called | 23:29 |
ryouma | also a heat map of the meta-measure of imprecision | 23:29 |
ryouma | that is sort of what you want to know, right? | 23:31 |
iz | i think it might get weird to try to do as a heat map, if it's per capita | 23:32 |
iz | like re: where you draw the boundries for each per capita subarea | 23:33 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vaccine Makers Keep Safety Details Quiet, Alarming Scientists - New York Times - Sept. 13, 2020 → https://is.gd/kcT2ir | 23:36 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO reports record one-day increase in global coronavirus cases, up over 307,000 → https://is.gd/FOdZNq | 23:46 |
ryouma | iz: where you normally draw them. countries, states, counties, metro areas. | 23:55 |
ryouma | or wherever stats are reported granularly | 23:55 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Thailand pays its people to go on holidays to help tourism recover from coronavirus → https://is.gd/bRyW7R | 23:56 |
ryouma | postal codes have been used too | 23:56 |
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