libera/##covid-19/ Sunday, 2020-09-13

ryoumaemigrants might too?00:00
JigsyNot necessarily.00:00
JigsyMaybe they just want a better life or lifestyle.00:00
ryoumakeyword "might"00:00
ryoumabut sure it could be just a subtle distinction00:00
ryouma"Giving up of allegiance to one state for allegiance to another in a manner considered illegitimate by the first state"00:01
ryoumawhich would fit jumping bail too :)00:02
ryoumaperhaps it is just me but it seems as if world leaders do not know what they are doing, or have incentives antithetic to what many citizens want.  i wonder if this is being noticed and could lead to positive leadership change.  or... could amplfy negative.00:04
ryoumaal*00:04
ryoumai guess that's off topic maybe00:05
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Californian investigation, COVID cases spur bill requiring employers disclose workplace outbreaks → https://is.gd/yj7zlg00:05
LjLit seems pretty obvious to me why she's being described as a "defector" here00:06
LjLshe left her country because she's scared of what would happen to her after saying the things she's said about it00:06
LjLwhatever the exact definition of a "defector" is, that fits it commonsensically00:06
ryoumasure00:07
ryoumais snowden a defector?00:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. is not 'rounding the corner' on COVID -Fauci | Reuters Video → https://is.gd/EnCEUc00:15
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 70-year-old punched, spat on, dragged by hair after asking maskless man to follow COVID protocols → https://is.gd/HyKiZJ00:25
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 48 Percent of Elite High Endurance Athletes Suffer Myorcardial Inflammation Post Coronavirus → https://is.gd/KJqPys01:05
LjLinteresting01:13
LjLthe link above, de-facto, ubLIX[m], is actually... a 2009 study about athletes who've had the common cold01:14
LjLhowever "coronavirus" isn't mentioned anywhere in the article, so i assume it was a provocation by the Reddit poster, but still01:14
LjLi want to report it... and i also... don't01:18
LjLoh well, they noticed already, so no need01:18
de-factoseems they are at it already yeah01:22
de-factoi mean it would be interesting to compare to older studies but not with such a title since "Coronavirus" imprecise term will mostly be associated with SARS-CoV-2 nowadays01:23
de-factoit reminds me of the study about post SARS-CoV-2 infections and associated myocardial inflammation in 60% of them independent of preexisting conditions or severeness 01:25
de-facto%title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/276891601:25
Brainstormde-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA Network01:25
LjLde-facto, it reminded me of the same, that's exactly why i found it interesting01:29
LjLnot just becuase someone managed to fool some redditors :P01:29
LjLit makes me feel a tiny bit better01:29
LjLit may not be very rational since it doesn't say you *don't* get myocardial inflammation post-COVID01:29
LjLit just says you *also* get it with other things01:29
LjLbut... well, it's common colds, and we rarely end up with tragic consequences from one01:30
LjL(or do we?)01:30
de-factowell thats might be quite an interesting question: would we end up with severe progressions if we never encountered a common cold (e.g. as children or such)01:31
LjLde-facto, there are maaaaaany viruses causing what we call "common cold" though (which is probably just a shortcoming in our ability to distinguish similar symptoms, or we'd call them all something different)01:31
LjLis it likely that we've encountered all of them when we were children enough that our immune system was in the forming phase?01:32
de-factoyeah i meant the "common cold" corona viruses01:32
LjLde-facto, oh well, i've heard more than one time the hypothesis that COVID-19 will eventually become another of the "common cold" coronaviruses effectively, and that conversely one of those coronaviruses was a pretty bad epidemic in 1800-something01:33
de-factothats the point, would they potentially be much more serious if we would not have been challenged with them as children already?01:33
LjLbut still, it's a few viruses, have we possibly been challenged with them all01:33
LjLi mean, a few of us probably have01:33
LjLbut then we'd have at least *some* people suffering serious consequences from a common cold01:33
LjLbecause they just happened not to encounter that particular virus as children01:34
de-factoafaik diseases "harmless" for us here may be fatal to populations which never had contact to the pathogen (e.g. indigenous people with no contact to our circulating pathogens)01:34
LjLi'm sure there are indeed "some" people suffering serious consequences, i don't know the numbers and i don't know whether they'd be consistent with the amount of people who statistically may not have encountered a particular common cold virus as a child, i'll grant you that01:34
LjLde-facto, but that might also partly be down to evolution, and not just the immune system being primed01:35
de-factoits fairly common in western world to be in kindergarden and widely known that children catch a lot of colds during that time, its even considered normal01:35
de-factoyes many factors might play a role in this01:35
de-factoi just think it might be an interesting question from an immunologic perspective01:36
LjLfair01:36
ryoumaif you have sle a cold can make you much sicker.  probably true of a bunch of diseases, possibly including long covid.01:44
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: This U.S. Doctor Wishes We Had Treated COVID as a Natural Disaster, Not a Public Health Emergency | Slate.com → https://is.gd/dnKt7201:46
ryoumaanecdotally, it is possible for a cold to also make you feel better in other symptoms01:46
Dyna%cases victoria01:46
BrainstormDyna: In Victoria, Australia, there have been 19800 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 716 deaths (3.6% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 69000 tests were performed (28.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Victoria for time series data.01:46
de-factobtw to be fair and relativize, since we dont have data for long term effects we also dont know yet if or how long lasting such effects will turn out to be in the aftermath01:49
de-factoin regards to the myocardial inflammation issues et al01:50
ryoumawhich itself can be thought of as disturbing when chronicity is not really taken into account.01:51
ryoumathere are articles about it but it's not clear if policy cares01:51
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese virologist who fled to the US after claiming Beijing covered up Covid-19 vows to publish evidence PROVING the virus is manmade. → https://is.gd/dSQCQY01:56
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: University of Oxford resumes vaccine trial (10028 votes) | https://covid19vaccinetrial.co.uk/trial-resumes | https://redd.it/irc82v02:24
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Every COVID-19 Death Has Devastated a Family → https://is.gd/Pjhu4t02:36
LjLExcept for the ones who didn't have a family, presumably02:55
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'Divorce boom' forecast as lockdown sees advice queries rise → https://is.gd/C5J9lS03:07
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally COVID-19 study overstates impact → https://is.gd/wbb0lB03:27
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France’s Daily Coronavirus case total surpasses 10,000 for the first time as virus surges → https://is.gd/ODLfX803:37
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Apple Store in Edinburgh refused disabled customer, despite having medical exemption from having to wear face masks → https://is.gd/FFnGyJ03:47
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Domestic air travel recovers in Wuhan, China → https://is.gd/VJjN1o03:57
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest. Mask wearing might also be reducing the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic → https://is.gd/elWGlP04:07
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Pfizer and BioNTech Propose Expansion of Pivotal COVID-19 Vaccine Trial (82 votes) | https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-propose-expansion-pivotal-covid-19 | https://redd.it/irfrdh04:13
ryoumawhat made polio eradicable?04:22
ryoumaoops not polio, smallpox04:22
tinwhiskersa concerted vaccination programme, likely impossible in the modern dark ages of social media mistruths04:29
tinwhiskershalf the world seems to be completely bonkers04:30
izmandataory vaccinations for years, right?04:30
izyeah04:30
ryoumaand the other half is nuts04:30
izthe us only stopped making it mandatory after it was considered eradicated04:30
tinwhiskersbut try doing that now.. MAH FREEDUM!04:31
izi guess you have to do it for a generation or three04:31
tinwhiskersnot that we *should* have mandatory vaccinations yet without any properly tested vaccines :-)04:32
tinwhiskersstill, there will come a point soon where the risk of vaccination is far lower than the risk of harm from covid but people will still choose covid04:33
ryoumayou can't test on all diseases, genotypes, immune system profiles, etc., so you need for certain categories of chronic disease not to have to take the risk.  butg htat's not a huge precentage.04:33
tinwhiskersyes vaccines always have some risk04:33
tinwhiskersthe risk of not having them is far higher though04:33
ryoumain hiv/aids they know now tha thtey can just increase their antiretrovirals i think04:33
ryoumathat would depend04:34
tinwhiskersof course there are some people who should (and are) exempted but in the general population the risk will be far below the risk of dying or permanent harm from covid.04:34
tinwhiskersand yet people will protest and refuse.04:35
izyeah, that's who herd immunity is actually meant for04:35
tinwhiskersyeah04:35
ryoumayes.  but the first part of your sentence is normally left out of the debate because it muddies the message rhetorically, but needs to be there04:35
ryoumasome things are made illegal that shold be legal and something tells me the anti mask leagues are not among those who protest their freedom04:37
ryoumaso, who is feeding them their beliefs?04:37
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Arkansas reports 631 new coronavirus cases, 11 deaths → https://is.gd/TQEpP504:38
ryoumai wonder what the usa would look like now if it were perceived as a terrorist attack instead of a pandemic04:39
ryoumayou'd get more authoritarianism with less protests about freedom04:39
izidk, i think the terrorist thing has been run a bit thin in the usa by now04:40
ryoumai didn't know htat04:40
ryoumayour homework is to make mask wearing patriotic04:41
izit was like at peak high in 2001 and kinda just deflating slowly since then, i think.. and then after some high profile victories, even less of a thing, and i think ppl even are a bit suspicious now when things are labeled as terrorism04:42
izthe problem america has right now is it's an election year and we have one of the most divisive canidates and both sides are spending billions to spin the truth to thier favor (or even make up lies)04:44
ryoumanp though, vaccine rollout a day or two before the election :/04:44
izso if one side says wearing masks is good, there will be a substantial percentage of the population that will be contrary just to piss off the other side04:44
izwhich is fueled by billions in advertising04:45
ryoumathat say do not wear masks?04:45
iznot directly, but it's an indirect message04:46
izit's readily apparent by the percentage of people wearing masks at gatherings of one side vs the other04:47
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How Your Indoor Air Ventilation Affects Coronavirus Spread → https://is.gd/imNSb804:59
ryoumaiz: you believe it is due to advertising?05:07
izwell, campaigning which includes all that05:08
izspread via traditional mass media, internet, rallies, presidential addresses, tv show apperances, etc, etc05:09
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Counts Based on Death Certificates Underestimate COVID-19 Mortality Rates → https://is.gd/GkYNk805:39
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ICMR shocker: India missed 80 corona cases for every one detected → https://is.gd/HA3bmf05:50
BrainstormUpdates for World: +103023 cases (now 29.0 million), +2109 deaths (now 925811) since 11 hours ago — US: +24871 cases (now 6.7 million), +453 deaths (now 198128) since 11 hours ago — Brazil: +17909 cases (now 4.3 million), +404 deaths (now 131274) since 11 hours ago — India: +11267 cases (now 4.8 million), +105 deaths (now 78614) since 11 hours ago05:51
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Beyond Six Feet: A Guideline to Limit Indoor Airborne Transmission of COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.26.20182824v1 | https://redd.it/iranqt05:56
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: As Egypt's tourist sites reopen, archaeologists unearth 13 mysterious mummies → https://is.gd/z6ba2z06:00
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vitamin D reduced the rate of ICU admission from 50% to 2%. Do black lives matter? → https://is.gd/nbGiTx06:20
ryoumaif that were a drug there would be hoopla06:26
ryoumai thought that d3 at least was supposedd to be taken to get your levels to normal levels and then you for soe reason stop them if symptoms start.  but this version they give to those who aalready have covid.06:29
ryoumais this readily avail and is it a drug and what is the difference from d3?06:30
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canada reports zero COVID-19 deaths for first time since March → https://is.gd/rVJGpo06:30
RoseCityvit d is actually more like a hormone as i recall 06:31
ryoumasniffer dogs?06:33
ryoumaso you could let loose a few dogs at a wedding and train them to bark at the infected?06:33
ryoumaRoseCity: yes i have heard that but don't know the science06:34
de-factobtw just a note on making SARS-CoV-2 extinct via vaccinations: since it easily infects also animals there are good chances it may survive outside humans in some natural reservoir 06:34
de-factocats, dogs, mice, ferrets, etc06:35
ryoumayeah :(06:37
ryoumaat least pets can be vaccinated06:37
ryoumaand maybe some lab animals06:37
ryouma(in principle)06:37
de-factoyeah i am not saying its impossible or such, just that this has to be taken into account if that would be the goal06:37
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology*: TWiV 663: The joy of vax: Daniel Griffin provides a clinical report on COVID-19, including vaccines, Alan summarizes a vaccine webinar on the most advanced US trials, a nidovirus from snapping turtles, longevity of memory B cells in recovered patients, and listener email. → https://is.gd/0XMfD606:40
de-factopets probably are not the main problem since they dont live in herds or such, yet if it would constantly circulate in mice or rats populations it might become much more challenging to eradicate 06:41
de-factoafaik there already have been humans giving it to fur farm ferret populations and they infected back a human, so such ping pong effects are thinkable on every close contact situations06:42
RoseCityyeah covid forever, thanks to the US06:48
de-factoand the original natural reservoir (other than bats) also is still unknown afaik06:54
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Ivermectin: A Closer Look at a Potential Remedy (80 votes) | https://www.cureus.com/articles/37039-ivermectin-a-closer-look-at-a-potential-remedy | https://redd.it/iqxdl606:56
BrainstormUpdates for Quebec, Canada: +244 cases (now 64707), +6 deaths (now 5780) since a day ago — World: +8385 cases (now 29.0 million), +87 deaths (now 925898) since an hour ago — Ukraine: +2646 cases (now 155558), +54 deaths (now 3206) since an hour ago — India: +2568 cases (now 4.8 million) since an hour ago07:07
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: “When Will We Have a Vaccine?” — Understanding Questions and Answers about Covid-19 Vaccination → https://is.gd/9FmDeD07:10
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Beshear reports 720 new COVID-19 cases, 13 deaths → https://is.gd/IAzVE207:31
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Face masks could be giving people Covid-19 immunity, researchers suggest. Mask wearing might also be reducing the severity of the virus and ensuring that a greater proportion of new infections are asymptomatic (10322 votes) | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/face-masks-could-giving-people-covid-19-immunity-researchers/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr | https://redd.it/irpg07:38
ryoumagiven the problems with introduced species, DEFINITELY i am not proposing such a thing, but is there such a thing as a countervirus, or a bacterium that kills virus, or suchlike?  again, not proposing it, just a theoretical q.07:38
RoseCityphages ryouma 07:39
ryoumaphages infect bacteria.  are you saying they kill mammal viruses?07:39
ryoumaalso, that crispr thing.  could you create a harmless version to outcompete?07:40
ryoumahmm, maybe that doesn't work in viruses, dunno07:40
RoseCitywell a virus is a piece of DNA/RNA, it's not alive to kill 07:44
ryoumaso why did you meantion them?07:44
RoseCityeg that book Planet of Viruses07:45
RoseCityryouma, I was wrong07:45
BrainstormUpdates for Chhattisgarh, India: +3120 cases (now 61763), +20 deaths (now 539) since a day ago — Arkansas, US: +1799 cases (now 69710), +16 deaths (now 969) since a day ago — North Dakota, US: +467 cases (now 15151), +3 deaths (now 167) since a day ago — Himachal Pradesh, India: +445 cases (now 9229), +2 deaths (now 73) since a day ago07:52
tinwhiskersBacteria also have to deal with viruses and can be coopted into fighting them for you, but it's very early days in that regard.07:54
tinwhiskersbecause of the high rate of change in bacteria they can potentially "invent" a treatment faster than us.07:55
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Trump pressed for a plasma treatment. Officials worry, is a vaccine next? → https://is.gd/gBNchq08:01
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The Latest: India's cases rise to 4.75M with another spike → https://is.gd/Cs0aV808:22
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus Global Updates, Sept 13: France’s daily caseload surpasses 10k for first time → https://is.gd/RdDKgK08:42
BrainstormUpdates for Georgia: +152 cases (now 2227) since a day ago — World: +152 cases (now 29.0 million), +3 deaths (now 925901) since an hour ago — El Salvador: +3 deaths (now 785) since 21 hours ago08:52
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19: Fauci says US life won’t return to normal until deep into 2021 → https://is.gd/jJJQof09:13
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Regardless of Covid restrictions, if people are dying in large numbers your economy is stuffed → https://is.gd/BQtdks09:23
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'I was dying with coronavirus in intensive care and now people tell me it was a myth' → https://is.gd/VxaIug09:33
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 96% patients recovered from coronavirus in Pakistan → https://is.gd/ei4RHs09:54
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: France reports over 10,000 new coronavirus cases in record surge → https://is.gd/DdRJ8G10:24
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Oxford vaccine trials halted after patient suffered severe neurological symptoms, AztraZeneca confirms → https://is.gd/mc0hEF11:25
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 186 days without a gig – music industry counts toll of Lockdown 2.0 → https://is.gd/D9CRrM11:35
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scores arrested at protests in Australia's coronavirus hotspot → https://is.gd/Kh8R0U11:45
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Estonia has built HOIA, an app to contact trace the coronavirus while preserving the privacy of individuals → https://is.gd/IPwGTH11:56
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A 26 year old US woman has acted as super spreader for Germany's currently largest outbreak of Covid-19 when she visited multiple clubs and bars in one evening despite showing coronavirus-like symptoms. → https://is.gd/R1bwdQ12:06
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Antibody Test Developed for COVID-19 That is Sensitive, Specific and Scalable → https://is.gd/7kDFZ112:26
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Belief in COVID‐19 Conspiracy Theories Reduces Social Distancing over Time → https://is.gd/fjimai12:36
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UK faces second hard national lockdown if we don't follow COVID-19 rules, adviser warns → https://is.gd/fZxdOk12:57
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: About 8,800 unaccompanied children expelled at U.S. border under coronavirus-related measure → https://is.gd/fPAElE13:07
pas5%cases UK13:51
Brainstormpas5: In United Kingdom, there have been 365174 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.5% of cases) as of a minute ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.13:51
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: No masks, no distancing: Schools in Denmark defy COVID-19 - with success so far | CBC News → https://is.gd/RbWpps14:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Special education teacher from the Lapeer Community Schools district died due to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/gZhlmg14:18
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Vaccine trial resumes as virus continues grim march: Clinical trials of one of the most advanced experimental COVID-19 vaccines resumed Saturday after a brief safety pause, as infection numbers continued to march upward in countries across the globe. → https://is.gd/8DB3i014:28
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: France reports more than 10,000 daily virus cases: France reported more than 10,000 new coronavirus cases on Saturday, its highest daily number since wide-scale testing was launched in the country. → https://is.gd/PQD1rP14:38
de-factoDocScrutinizer05, found something interesting: https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/100011946614:39
DocScrutinizer05ta14:40
de-factohttps://github.com/timueh/COVID-1914:41
DocScrutinizer05nowcasting, well14:41
de-factothey claim their approach behaves better than original RKI14:41
DocScrutinizer05that's not really difficult to achieve a goal14:43
DocScrutinizer05anyway I deliberately want _no_ nowcasting in my statistics. I want to filter out the effects this statistical predictive filtering tries to calculate14:44
DocScrutinizer05they are noise in my book14:44
DocScrutinizer05and the developers admit it's overemphasizing noise14:45
DocScrutinizer05aka artifacts14:45
DocScrutinizer05in the end it's about last 4 days anyway, nowcasting has no use whatsoever for older data14:45
de-factoi think their approach is quite interesting, in particular in regards to compensating weekly periodicity14:46
de-factomay be better than a simple smoothing to assume same days of week behave in a similar way and base the approach on that assumption14:46
de-factoe.g. possibly could preserve peaks better (unfortunately their data does not contain the famous Tönnies peak)14:47
Atquede-facto: Removing weekly periodicity seems easy, surely?14:50
de-factoyes for example with a rolling average over the period of a week, possible weighted with a gaussian distribution or such, but what if there is a real peak hiding amoung the weekly periodic peaks? such a peak should not be smoothed but preserved as good as possible to reflect its properties in derived entities such as the reproduction number14:55
de-factoalso such approaches may introduce phase shifts14:57
Atquede-facto: Have you heard of local mean decomposition?14:58
de-factothe phaseshift may be addressed by doing time symmetric rolling averages around the pivot point instead of just taking values from the past into account14:58
de-factohow does that work?14:59
Atquede-facto: Oh! It's a cool technique for non-parametric blind source signal decomposition.15:00
de-factowhat are its main advantages?15:01
Atquede-facto: Man, I'm drunk and having issues, but it's really good... for lots of things, like improving time-series forecasting through good feature extraction for NNs etc.15:01
de-factook thanks i will read into it :)15:02
Atquede-facto: Well, it is very computationally efficient compared to wavelet composition and can handle nonstationary signals unlike Fourier analysis.15:02
AtqueYeah, it's really good.15:02
AtqueI know I'm doing going an ideal job of selling it. But yeah, it is very very good.15:02
de-factodo you have a good paper on it?15:02
AtqueA good paper is Jonathan S. Smith. The local mean decomposition and its application to EEG perception data. Journal of the Royal Society Interface, 2005, 2(5):443-454.15:03
AtqueI will try to find a hyperlink, but I'm too drunk to do complicated things.15:03
de-factooh neat i had that already open in my tab from googling it :)15:03
de-factohttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1618495/15:04
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Antibody Test Developed for COVID-19 That is Sensitive, Specific and Scalable (86 votes) | https://news.utexas.edu/2020/09/11/antibody-test-developed-for-covid-19-that-is-sensitive-specific-and-scalable/ | https://redd.it/irvoto15:04
de-factohttps://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2005.005815:05
Atquede-facto: Yeah, it's very good for website and marketing analytics imo15:11
Atquede-facto: Lol, your name is good, man15:11
Jigsy%cases UK15:12
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 365174 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.5% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.15:12
de-factothanks for that, i definitely will read into it :)15:14
Atquede-facto: Yeah, it's the best non-parametric method for decomposing signals into periodic components i think.15:15
AtqueMan... I'm so drunk I feel like I have alzheimers. Are you guys judging me? I can't tell.15:16
de-factorelax no judging, your words make sense, thanks for telling me about local mean decomposition15:18
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Cases in France leap past 10,000 a day → https://is.gd/Xvw8HO15:19
Atquede-facto: Cool, sounds good.15:24
AtqueBut yea.... I'm kind of like rly rly fucking drunk.15:24
de-factohehe then dont forget to drink enough water to kill possible hangover :P15:26
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Cases Have Reached Record Levels in the Midwest → https://is.gd/9c1i4c15:39
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: As coronavirus cases in the Dakotas surge, anti-mask sentiment intensifies → https://is.gd/nnOP0a16:00
AtqueBrainstorm: Man, ppl are dum.16:04
de-factoLMD somehow reminds me of envelope tracking in LTE or 5G cellphone radio technology16:11
de-factosplitting the original signal into a product of amplitude and frequency modulated signals16:12
de-factois sounds like it may be computational expensive though in terms of requirement for several iterations on splitting the previous step result once again into amplitude and frequency product functions16:17
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Care homes in England warned of rise in infections: Current cases are mainly among staff but risk spreading to residents, a government letter says. → https://is.gd/ii8w8j16:20
de-factoits quite a cool approach and may be indeed applicable in analyzing periodic incidence16:28
IdotMaster1FUCK COVID16:57
LjLIdotMaster1, we all feel the same i suspect, but such outbursts are of no use17:01
BrainstormUpdates for World: +73240 cases (now 29.1 million), +1019 deaths (now 926920) since 8 hours ago — India: +34237 cases (now 4.8 million), +317 deaths (now 78931) since 10 hours ago — US: +7307 cases (now 6.7 million), +54 deaths (now 198182) since 11 hours ago — Russia: +5449 cases (now 1.1 million), +94 deaths (now 18578) since a day ago17:24
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Texas reports 3,905 news cases, 146 more deaths → https://is.gd/ECicfH17:51
LjL18<29Atque18> Brainstorm: Man, ppl are dum. ← he said, while not realizing he's talking to a bot17:55
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than 200 meat plant workers in the U.S. have died of covid-19. Federal regulators just issued two modest fines. → https://is.gd/iF4jDj18:01
BrainstormUpdates for Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy: +346 deaths (now 695) since 9 minutes ago — World: +9685 cases (now 29.1 million), +61 deaths (now 926981) since 52 minutes ago — US: +5484 cases (now 6.7 million), +38 deaths (now 198220) since 52 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +2121 cases (now 368504) since 49 minutes ago18:09
pas5%cases pennsylvania18:42
Brainstormpas5: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 148635 confirmed cases (1.2% of the population) and 7829 deaths (5.3% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (10.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.18:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Pfizer coronavirus vaccine could be given to Americans before end of the year, CEO says: If the Food and Drug Administration approves the vaccine, the company is prepared to distribute "hundreds of thousands of doses, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said. → https://is.gd/jrK7bL18:52
BrainstormUpdates for World: +61292 cases (now 29.2 million), +1059 deaths (now 928040) since an hour ago — India: +49359 cases (now 4.8 million), +759 deaths (now 79690) since an hour ago — Mozambique: +229 cases (now 5269) since a day ago — Brazil: +3326 cases (now 4.3 million), +134 deaths (now 131408) since 13 hours ago19:09
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: More than 500 new cases of COVID-19 and dozens of deaths confirmed in South Carolina → https://is.gd/E231Dv19:12
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: "We sent 500 tests. They don’t answer calls": Inside ICE’s coronavirus testing disaster → https://is.gd/lROh4919:22
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Cop stomps on the head of man during a dramatic arrest in lockdown Melbourne → https://is.gd/JvBAJD19:53
BrainstormUpdates for Jordan: +252 cases (now 3314), +2 deaths (now 24) since a day ago — World: +9519 cases (now 29.2 million), +161 deaths (now 928201) since an hour ago — Iraq: +3531 cases (now 290309), +73 deaths (now 8014) since a day ago — US: +3225 cases (now 6.7 million), +54 deaths (now 198293) since an hour ago20:09
LjLapp fiasco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.repubblica.it%2Fcronaca%2F2020%2F09%2F13%2Fnews%2Fbug_di_immuni_mette_a_rischio_il_controllo_dei_contagi-267163423%2F20:12
de-factowow good they found it then, i think most of those apps are like selling green bananas, delivered early to reach their full potential when already in the hands of the users20:14
de-factoi think the German app also discovered a mistake that the app itself could be backgrounded in a way it never would warn the user if not explicitely opened as in the user querying the app for results (e.g. pull in stead of desired push) 20:16
LjLde-facto, except they should have been ready before they were even green20:16
LjLaccording to the original schedules, and needs20:16
LjLde-facto, i think this is probably the same "bug"20:16
LjLit's really Android being a piece of crap to apps20:16
LjLit's the reason apps *had* to rely on a mechanism Google provides, even worse on Apple, instead of just... being apps20:17
LjLover each subsequent version of Android, background running capabilities have been more and more curtailed (and other things too)20:17
de-factoyeah its battery vs being informed with most current state20:18
de-factothats why its good the apps have been launched in the summer so testing could be done while case numbers still are low20:19
LjLno it's those companies having control vs not20:22
LjLbattery is an excuse, if they were serious about battery they'd introduce much more powerful concepts20:23
LjLthey can get AI to do wonderful things but they can't determine when an app is consuming battery for nothing vs running in the background when it needs to?20:23
LjLthe Google Play Services are one of the thing that consume the most battery, try running a phone without those and see the difference20:24
de-factoi dont know the exact details but it was like the app not waking on Samsung and Huawei devices for pulling the latest stats from the Google Services hence not warning the user if not explicitly opened something like that20:24
de-factoit was the first think i ensured after installing it (one hour after it was released :) that it would not be killed with something like this here https://dontkillmyapp.com/20:25
LjLHuawei phones can't have the Google Play Services due to sanctions, so the app wasn't available at all for a while until they made an alternative API to Google's one20:25
de-factoyeah i know20:26
LjLyou go figure if people have to be vulnerable even when they might be among the not-so-many who *want* to install the app just due to silly trade wars Trump comes up with20:27
de-factotbh im still not entirely convinced they function correctly, i have seen Huawei phones with installed app yet i could not scan beacons from them (admitted i did not scan for an extended period of time)20:28
de-factobut that was long time ago, so maybe they fixed that now20:29
LjLde-facto, how do you see if you get beacons from them? does Google expose that? (i know of ways to do that but i'm just curious what you're using, i know you can do it with BLE scanning apps)20:30
de-factowith signal strength and nothing in proximity producing comparable strength20:32
LjL%fdroid UUID20:33
BrainstormLjL, UUID 0xFD6F Scanner 0.9.1.7 (com.emacberry.uuid0xfd6fscan) in https://f-droid.org/repo:  Scan for BluetoothLE Beacons with UUID 0xFD6F - updated 2020-09-09, see https://github.com/marq24/UUID0xFD6FTracer 20:33
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announces new countrywide lockdown starting Friday amid surge in virus cases. → https://is.gd/Tbxb0B20:34
LjLkind of quirky for me, also not very informative, just shows the number of current beacons20:34
de-factoyeah i used BeaconScope 20:34
de-factowas mentioned in one of the bug reports, yet i think its not open20:34
LjLi've also used20:35
LjL%fdroid BLExplorer20:35
BrainstormLjL, BLExplorer 1.2 (org.ligi.blexplorer) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Bluetooth Low Energy Explorer - updated 2016-11-07, see https://github.com/ligi/BLExplorer 20:35
LjLto confirm what the UUID app was doing, but of course with this one i have to visually search for 0xfd6f20:35
de-factohmm interesting20:36
de-factohmm does not work on my device20:37
de-factoprobably too pld20:38
de-factoold20:38
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Israel to set new nationwide lockdown as virus cases surge → https://is.gd/5nsfVW20:54
BrainstormUpdates for Burkina Faso: +193 cases (now 1707) since 15 hours ago — World: +491 cases (now 29.2 million) since 55 minutes ago — Aruba: +52 cases (now 3046) since 15 hours ago — Chad: +1 cases (now 1084) since 15 hours ago20:54
Jigsy%cases UK21:20
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 368504 confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.4% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.21:20
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: No masks, no distancing: Schools in Denmark defy COVID-19 — with success so far → https://is.gd/7d83FN21:24
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Movie theaters rushed to reopen, but now there are no blockbusters to play → https://is.gd/wgyy6821:54
BrainstormUpdates for World: +12988 cases (now 29.2 million), +146 deaths (now 928347) since an hour ago — India: +7051 cases (now 4.8 million), +64 deaths (now 79754) since 2 hours ago — US: +5412 cases (now 6.7 million), +77 deaths (now 198370) since an hour ago — Curacao: +12 cases (now 157) since 16 hours ago21:55
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Israel to set new nationwide lockdown as virus cases surge: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday announced a new countrywide lockdown will be imposed amid a stubborn surge in coronavirus cases, with schools and parts of the economy expected to shut down in a bid to bring down infection rates. → https://is.gd/AvaCCw22:05
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3696 cases (now 29.2 million), +55 deaths (now 928402) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1736 cases (now 6.7 million), +29 deaths (now 198399) since 16 minutes ago — South Africa: +1579 cases (now 649793), +20 deaths (now 15447) since 16 hours ago — Uzbekistan: +245 cases (now 47287), +2 deaths (now 390) since 4 hours ago22:05
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Israel Announces 3-week Nationwide Coronavirus Lockdown → https://is.gd/LvdO1q22:25
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Wisconsin reports record-breaking 1,582 new coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/o2FgDo22:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Coronavirus cases are growing in 11 U.S. states as Fauci warns of 'disturbing' data: Covid-19 cases continued to grow over the weekend in nearly a dozen states as the nation's leading infectious disease expert warns about the nation's worrying level of new infections. → https://is.gd/s7GfT722:45
BrainstormUpdates for Cabo Verde: +102 cases (now 4813) since 17 hours ago — World: +2541 cases (now 29.2 million), +30 deaths (now 928432) since 48 minutes ago — Israel: +1845 cases (now 155604), +11 deaths (now 1119) since 5 hours ago — US: +330 cases (now 6.7 million), +15 deaths (now 198414) since 48 minutes ago22:50
ryoumawere there no classic movies about the spanish flu?23:02
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Russia to send Mexico 32 million doses of Covid vaccine in November → https://is.gd/QK0L8V23:05
ryoumawhat is rate of cases per capita called?  and is this reported with standard deviation or similar?23:22
ryoumawhat is rate of infectious cases per capita called?  and is this reported with standard deviation or similar?*23:22
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 7 cases of COVID-19 linked to Toronto strip club → https://is.gd/jgLo8k23:25
iztrump: the infection rate relative to the population size? no, you can't do that..23:27
ryoumai'd like to see a heat map of that measure, whatever it is called23:29
ryoumaalso a heat map of the meta-measure of imprecision23:29
ryoumathat is sort of what you want to know, right?23:31
izi think it might get weird to try to do as a heat map, if it's per capita23:32
izlike re: where you draw the boundries for each per capita subarea23:33
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Vaccine Makers Keep Safety Details Quiet, Alarming Scientists - New York Times - Sept. 13, 2020 → https://is.gd/kcT2ir23:36
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO reports record one-day increase in global coronavirus cases, up over 307,000 → https://is.gd/FOdZNq23:46
ryoumaiz: where you normally draw them.  countries, states, counties, metro areas.23:55
ryoumaor wherever stats are reported granularly23:55
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Thailand pays its people to go on holidays to help tourism recover from coronavirus → https://is.gd/bRyW7R23:56
ryoumapostal codes have been used too23:56

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