| ryouma | https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/covid-19-heart-pandemic-coronavirus-myocarditis/616420/ | 00:03 |
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| LjL | postit: read https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/09/covid-19-heart-pandemic-coronavirus-myocarditis/616420/ when i'm calmer | 00:05 |
| ryouma | then i won't quote it | 00:19 |
| LjL | lol, up to you, it would be a bit silly of me to request that given the nature of the channel | 00:19 |
| ryouma | worth reading | 00:21 |
| LjL | that's why i postit'd, that's not just a joke, i used that as a keyword to grep logs later sometimes | 00:21 |
| LjL | use* | 00:22 |
| LjL | i wonder where nixonix is, he's not connected to IRC in a week or two, and he was good | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +51709 cases (now 31.6 million), +869 deaths (now 969810) since 4 hours ago — US: +23090 cases (now 7.0 million), +168 deaths (now 204427) since 4 hours ago — Brazil: +12933 cases (now 4.6 million), +353 deaths (now 137350) since 7 hours ago — Guyana: +133 cases (now 2402), +1 deaths (now 65) since 23 hours ago | 01:22 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 398625 confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 45712 deaths (11.5% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 22.2 million tests were performed (1.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +1678 cases (now 97673), +9 deaths (now 6303) since 2 hours ago — World: +17014 cases (now 31.6 million), +746 deaths (now 970556) since 2 hours ago — Argentina: +8782 cases (now 640147), +429 deaths (now 13482) since a day ago — France: +4121 cases (now 470147) since 2 hours ago | 03:52 |
| Jigsy | https://i.imgur.com/NCLXWUH.jpg | 05:53 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: California's COVID-19 positivity rate drops below 3% for the first time (10466 votes) | https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-21/california-covid19-positivity-rate-drops-below-3-percent-for-the-first-time | https://redd.it/ixde8u | 06:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +30225 cases (now 31.6 million), +223 deaths (now 970779) since 3 hours ago — Quebec, Canada: +586 cases (now 68128), +2 deaths (now 5804) since a day ago — Peru: +4001 cases (now 772896), +105 deaths (now 31474) since a day ago — France: +3827 cases (now 473974) since 3 hours ago | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, US: +21771 cases (now 734778), +39 deaths (now 15127) since 23 hours ago — Madrid, Spain: +11991 cases (now 199036), +24 deaths (now 9023) since 2 days ago — Andalusia, Spain: +2988 cases (now 50600), +28 deaths (now 1690) since 2 days ago — Castile y Leon, Spain: +2147 cases (now 41019), +17 deaths (now 2948) since 2 days ago | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +218 cases (now 3913), +2 deaths (now 22) since 22 hours ago — World: +1983 cases (now 31.6 million), +7 deaths (now 970789) since an hour ago — Israel: +1650 cases (now 192579) since 7 hours ago — Armenia: +115 cases (now 47667), +2 deaths (now 938) since 22 hours ago | 09:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Does the coronavirus spread easily among children? → https://is.gd/U2kgB0 | 09:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6903 cases (now 31.6 million), +168 deaths (now 970957) since 56 minutes ago — Russia: +6215 cases (now 1.1 million), +160 deaths (now 19649) since 23 hours ago — Latvia: +34 cases (now 1560) since 23 hours ago — Hungary: +633 cases (now 19499), +8 deaths (now 694) since 23 hours ago | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7773 cases (now 31.6 million), +236 deaths (now 971193) since an hour ago — Finland: +149 cases (now 9195) since 17 hours ago — Indonesia: +4071 cases (now 252923), +160 deaths (now 9837) since a day ago — Philippines: +1599 cases (now 291789), +50 deaths (now 5049) since a day ago | 11:24 |
| mirrorbird | hi | 11:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +3712 cases (now 429193), +178 deaths (now 24656) since 23 hours ago — World: +12121 cases (now 31.6 million), +303 deaths (now 971496) since an hour ago — India: +4463 cases (now 5.6 million), +24 deaths (now 88989) since 5 hours ago — Bangladesh: +1557 cases (now 352178), +28 deaths (now 5007) since 23 hours ago | 12:54 |
| AndreasKunstmann | https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/22/pers-s22.html | 14:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: COVID-19 herd immunity in the Brazilian Amazon -- a medRxiv preprint (aka not peer-reviewed) claims the herd immunity threshold has been achieved in Manaus (city in Brazilian Amazon) after 66% of the population became infected. (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194787v1 | https://redd.it/ixjw98 | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sick artifacts in https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France;Germany;Italy;Spain&cumulative=no&smooth=yes for last datapoint of france & spain | 15:18 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 398625 confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 45712 deaths (11.5% of cases) as of 13 minutes ago. 22.2 million tests were performed (1.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +19440 cases (now 31.6 million), +266 deaths (now 971762) since 3 hours ago — India: +6970 cases (now 5.6 million), +79 deaths (now 89068) since 3 hours ago — Nepal: +1356 cases (now 66632), +2 deaths (now 429) since a day ago — Sweden: +1199 cases (now 89436), +5 deaths (now 5870) since 4 days ago | 16:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +3677 cases (now 403551) since an hour ago — World: +24518 cases (now 31.7 million), +346 deaths (now 972108) since an hour ago — India: +6190 cases (now 5.6 million), +49 deaths (now 89117) since an hour ago — Iraq: +4724 cases (now 327580), +57 deaths (now 8682) since 23 hours ago | 17:35 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Nasopharyngeal SARS-CoV2 viral loads in young children do not differ significantly from those in older children and adults (90 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.17.20192245v1 | https://redd.it/ixncry | 17:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy: +346 deaths (now 696) since 5 minutes ago — World: +3769 cases (now 31.7 million), +113 deaths (now 972221) since 35 minutes ago — US: +2735 cases (now 7.1 million), +95 deaths (now 204801) since 35 minutes ago — Germany: +278 cases (now 276504), +2 deaths (now 9487) since 35 minutes ago | 18:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against the spread of COVID-19 through droplets: A quantitative mechanistic study (81 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352431620301802?via%3Dihub | https://redd.it/ixjjup | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +634 cases (now 5679), +1 deaths (now 33) since 17 hours ago — World: +2326 cases (now 31.7 million), +66 deaths (now 972287) since 22 minutes ago — Turkey: +1692 cases (now 306302), +65 deaths (now 7639) since 21 hours ago | 18:20 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Majority of Canadians say wearing a mask during coronavirus pandemic is a civic duty: poll (10079 votes) | https://globalnews.ca/news/7350128/canadians-support-wearing-mask-coronavirus/ | https://redd.it/ixnbqt | 19:18 |
| Jigsy | I wonder if the UK will announce a lockdown again. | 20:14 |
| Jigsy | Since there's some kind of announcement in 45m. | 20:15 |
| de-facto | link? | 20:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, dunno, but i suspect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE will have it | 20:18 |
| LjL | or had it | 20:18 |
| LjL | it says that Nicola Sturgeon has announcement people aren't allow to meet each other in Scotland now | 20:18 |
| LjL | 10pm curfew for bars pubs and restaurants in England | 20:19 |
| de-facto | at least they do some change in strategy thats good | 20:20 |
| LjL | Johnson to address the nation at 8pm | 20:20 |
| LjL | (40 minutes from now i believe) | 20:21 |
| de-facto | seems the Brits take it seriously since Boris had his personal encounter with the pathogen | 20:22 |
| de-facto | i mean their management | 20:22 |
| de-facto | people probably took it seriously even before measures were taken | 20:23 |
| AimHere | IIRC, what happened was that Dominic Cummings had a bunch of maverick freethinkers wittering on about herd immunity for a couple of weeks and then spoke to scientists who told him how asinine that idea was and they changed tack somewhat | 20:28 |
| Jigsy | [19:22:33] <de-facto> seems the Brits take it seriously since Boris had his personal encounter with the pathogen | 20:29 |
| Jigsy | It's 50/50. | 20:29 |
| Jigsy | Half take it seriously, the other half don't give a shit. | 20:29 |
| Jigsy | You'd be amazed how many people I walk past no wearing facemasks. | 20:29 |
| Jigsy | not* | 20:29 |
| de-facto | interesting | 20:30 |
| de-facto | well that seems to be a phenomena in most European countries according to the incidence at least the behavior of some part of the population must have permitted an increase | 20:32 |
| de-facto | here in Germany outdoors almost noone seems to wear masks, even on populated shopping streets, but inside stores mask wearing is mandatory and i think compliance to that is near 100%. I am not sure about public transport (its required there too) because i dont use that | 20:34 |
| de-facto | to be honest i did not feel comfortable on crowded shopping streets, so i did wear an FFP3 mask there | 20:37 |
| de-facto | a good thing is much less people do smoke and a lot more people go for a run or do sports | 20:38 |
| de-facto | or just sunbathing on good weather | 20:39 |
| de-facto | its was quite common to see people jogging being completely out of breath (hence not used to it yet), now most of them seem to have improved their condition | 20:41 |
| de-facto | btw quite neat website showing maps of reproduction numbers http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ | 20:53 |
| de-facto | %title http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From metrics.covid19-analysis.org: error parsing title ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'string') | 20:53 |
| de-facto | hmm | 20:53 |
| de-facto | "Visualizing COVID-19's Effective Reproduction Number (Rt)" | 20:53 |
| LjL | Boris Johnson addressing the nation now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE | 21:00 |
| LjL | (notes) people are not careful enough, the virus is going exponential again | 21:02 |
| LjL | the vast majority of people are still susceptible | 21:02 |
| LjL | a package of tougher measures for England: closing pubs etc sooner, new fines for rules breaching, 6 max indoors | 21:03 |
| LjL | we shouldn't lock up the elderly and vulnerable because it's not realistic, the virus will inevitably reach them | 21:04 |
| LjL | it's not your own risks to take, your cough could be someone else's death knell | 21:04 |
| LjL | they will put more police in the streets and deploy the army if necessary | 21:05 |
| LjL | unless we take action we'll need tougher measures later | 21:05 |
| LjL | if the virus gets out of control the NHS will be overwhelmed again, including with "long COVID" medical needs | 21:05 |
| LjL | (↑ ryouma) | 21:05 |
| LjL | if people don't respect the rights we set forth, we must reserve the right to go further | 21:06 |
| LjL | in so many ways we are better prepared than before, we have PPE... | 21:07 |
| LjL | the hope is that by spring we'll have a vaccine and also testing that takes just minutes | 21:07 |
| ecks | people compare Johnson to Trump but at least the former can form coherent sentences | 21:07 |
| de-facto | first time seeing Boris speaking actually making sense with the content of his words | 21:07 |
| Jigsy | Nothing new then. | 21:08 |
| LjL | he's done | 21:08 |
| Jigsy | Same bullshit. | 21:08 |
| LjL | Jigsy, finally store employees will have to wear PPE | 21:09 |
| LjL | it's a simple and obvious thing but very important | 21:09 |
| Jigsy | They (the gov't) chose to violate international law, so he has zero credibility. | 21:09 |
| LjL | how are you going to enforce *customers* wearing masks, if you aren't wearing one yourself? | 21:09 |
| Jigsy | People will most likely ignore him, as they have been doing. | 21:09 |
| Jigsy | LjL: Funnily enough, at my local, all the staff are PPE'd. | 21:10 |
| Jigsy | local store* | 21:10 |
| LjL | well some people aren't completely stupid i guess | 21:10 |
| de-facto | ultimately its the behavior of the people themselves making the difference, so it makes sense to address their comprehension of the situation prior to enforcing compliance with more strict laws etc | 21:13 |
| de-facto | so it seems they suspect main contributions from visiting foreign households and bars | 21:14 |
| de-facto | or pubs | 21:15 |
| de-facto | makes sense i guess | 21:15 |
| UlrichH | it seems far fetched, would you take more risk spending a full day at work ? | 21:16 |
| Jigsy | If the pubs and bars close an hour earlier... | 21:17 |
| Jigsy | ...can they open an hour earlier? | 21:17 |
| de-facto | are they that crowded? | 21:17 |
| UlrichH | and an hour is really meaningfull ? isn't it the kind of interaction you have once there ? | 21:18 |
| LjL | the longer you're in the drunker you get :P | 21:18 |
| LjL | and then you do dumber stuff | 21:18 |
| de-facto | so assumed each spreader exhales particles (similar to a smoker), it depends on "spreader density" vs air volume exchange rate | 21:19 |
| UlrichH | LjL, :'D | 21:19 |
| de-facto | the longer time you spend in such an environment the more breath cycles you inhale such aerosol (or analog to that, the more your clothes would smell like smoke) | 21:19 |
| UlrichH | I understand the process, I'm sorry english is not my first language. I was trying to say that an hour more or less, it doesn't matter. If pub environment is dangerous, close the pubs, or force them outside | 21:20 |
| de-facto | so its a probabilistic statement, e.g. infection risk ~ ( (exposure time) * (asympt. spreader density) ) / ( (air volume exchange rate) * (filtering e.g. masks) ) | 21:21 |
| de-facto | in the most simple model that is, in reality its more complex probably | 21:22 |
| de-facto | afaik in airplanes they use directed laminar air streams to "guide" aerosol from top to bottom hence minimize their spread radius sideways etc | 21:29 |
| de-facto | labs use similar concepts i think | 21:30 |
| de-facto | is it allowed to smoke indoors in pubs in UK? | 21:31 |
| de-facto | just curious | 21:31 |
| ryouma | who has ppe? --- 12:05 <LjL> if the virus gets out of control the NHS will be overwhelmed again, including with "long COVID" medical needs 12:05 <LjL> (↑ ryouma) 12:06 <LjL> if people don't respect the rights we set forth, we must reserve the right to go further 12:07 <LjL> in so many ways we are better prepared than before, we have PPE... | 22:02 |
| ryouma | there is still a possibility (already implemented in nhs clinics) that uk will gaslight long covid at best. this will lead to those who have it getting in some cases not returning to the nhs because it did not help or it made it significantly worse (contraindicated exercise, impact of having to go). there is also a possibility that that will be described as progress ("they got better because they did not return"). | 22:07 |
| ryouma | in any case there is a possibility that long covid will be placed as low priority. --- 13:02 <ryouma> who has ppe? --- 12:05 <LjL> if the virus gets out of control the NHS will be overwhelmed again, including with "long COVID" medical needs | 22:07 |
| ryouma | s/getting// | 22:07 |
| ryouma | i am being conservative in describing this | 22:07 |
| ryouma | (add to the list various random treatments shoved down their throats like antidepressants) | 22:11 |
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