| LjL | tinwhiskers, de-facto: http://retractiondatabase.org/RetractionSearch.aspx? sadly it doesn't have an API and it's explicitly forbidden to scrape the site (see User Guide) because they license the database commercially :( i thought to make the bot automatically send a warning when people link to a retracted paper (kinda inspired by dTal's idea of having the bot provide annotations), but unless i act naughty, i can't with this one. still, interesting to | 00:09 |
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| LjL | know it's there. | 00:09 |
| dTal | That's so ironic that they license the database. What, we're not allowed to know which papers are bad unless we pay? | 00:13 |
| dTal | They can wipe that .org right out of their URL | 00:14 |
| LjL | "In order to fund our continued operations now that our grants have ended, we will be licensing the data to commercial entities. Therefore, while we are happy to make the entire Retraction Watch Database (RWDB) available as a CSV file to scholars, journalists and others who plan to publish their findings, publishing the entire dataset is prohibited, as is scraping the site." | 00:15 |
| LjL | i've also found http://openretractions.com/ | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The White House has more cases of COVID than all of N.L.; here's why → https://is.gd/qSppwc | 00:18 |
| de-facto | whats their upstream? | 00:19 |
| de-facto | own compilation? | 00:19 |
| LjL | de-facto, which one? retractiondatabase.org is the spawn of Retraction Watch, which does create their own database and keep a blog about retraction (Brainstorm posts their blog entries when they have a new one) | 00:21 |
| LjL | de-facto, as to http://openretractions.com/ they say "we only know about retractions and other updates that publishers have properly reported to CrossRef or PubMed" | 00:21 |
| LjL | there's code on github so i assume it's automatic | 00:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Low zinc levels at clinical admission associates with poor outcomes in COVID-19 (84 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.07.20208645v1 | https://redd.it/j98y7f | 00:21 |
| de-facto | i was asking because if they dont want to share their database maybe one could employ their upstream instead then | 00:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. government won't say why it allows Canadians to fly to U.S. despite border closure → https://is.gd/F0JOKq | 00:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, right. well no, they are their own upstream, so they don't share it because they need money to continue curating it | 00:30 |
| LjL | i tried to put some DOIs that appear on retractiondatabase into openretractions | 00:31 |
| LjL | that did not work, it said no known retractions | 00:31 |
| LjL | so openretractions may be a rather small subject of the whole deal :\ | 00:31 |
| LjL | err, subset* | 00:31 |
| de-facto | hmm ok | 00:33 |
| LjL | also, dumb question but i know nothing about DOIs | 00:34 |
| LjL | would there be a way to programmatically recognize that something within a URL is a DOI? | 00:34 |
| de-facto | hmm some regex? not sure about how the standard is though | 00:36 |
| LjL | yeah, it seems rather freeform | 00:36 |
| LjL | it has a / in the middle, that's as much as i could ascertain | 00:36 |
| LjL | but that's kind of nonspecific :P | 00:36 |
| de-facto | maybe something like that? i have no idea to be honest https://www.crossref.org/blog/dois-and-matching-regular-expressions/ | 00:37 |
| de-facto | https://www.doi.org/doi_handbook/2_Numbering.html | 00:39 |
| LjL | oh, so modern DOIs tend to be a more restricted subset | 00:39 |
| LjL | i might have been seeing mostly old DOIs in the retraction database, if they list by date | 00:39 |
| de-facto | i have to admit i have no clue about them, i just googled them :) | 00:39 |
| de-facto | https://github.com/regexhq/doi-regex | 00:41 |
| LjL | well that regular expression is a good start, although it ends with $ and i don't know if it's typical for all URLs to *end* with the DOI | 00:41 |
| LjL | alternatively, i could load all URLs (although that can be problematic) and see if there is a DOI *in* the HTML, if a standard for that exists (i think so) and is respected | 00:42 |
| LjL | apparently while there is a recommendation to use | 00:46 |
| LjL | <meta name="DOI" content="doi_goes_here"> | 00:46 |
| LjL | in practice many documents may use | 00:46 |
| LjL | <meta name="citation_doi" content="doi_goes_here"> | 00:47 |
| LjL | so that may be something i want to find in the HTML if i actually load every page | 00:47 |
| LjL | which i probably would have to do... like, Lancet links don't contain a proper DOI at all! | 00:47 |
| de-facto | yeah but a recommendation is optional | 00:47 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I've never been known to adhere to license agreements I haven't agreed to on publicly available sites :-) | 00:49 |
| de-facto | i would try to derive a domain specific DOM rule that is as generic as possible maybe combined with a regex for DOIs to make it even more generic (if they happen to change their output HTML) | 00:50 |
| tinwhiskers | if they don't prevent you accessing the information without agreeing to a license then agreeing to a license is not required | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: South Dakota COVID-19 cases equal state's third largest city → https://is.gd/AsZLGU | 00:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Mind you I do think that if people are using their data for commercial purpose they should pay. We are not. | 00:52 |
| de-facto | not all domains handle DOIs as primary citizens as the awesome sci-hub would do for example :D | 00:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, not in the US... there's case law saying ToS are valid even if you don't agree to them :\ | 00:55 |
| LjL | i'm not in the US, but aside from not knowing the situation in the EU, i'm just not very inclined to spend time hooking onto something that doesn't want me to | 00:55 |
| tinwhiskers | nothing that convinces me | 00:56 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, be my guest :P | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | you may get a cease and desist at which point you'd reconsider your options | 00:56 |
| de-facto | so there are some websites that would not know anything about requests originating from the TOR network, just saying | 00:56 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, if they get as far as a C&D it means they have subpoena'd my IP address which is definitely something i don't want to see happen :P | 00:57 |
| tinwhiskers | how would you like the data? Considering their licensing I wouldn't scrape it *too* often. | 00:57 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't care if they have mine | 00:57 |
| de-facto | why scrape and not only place requests when needed? | 00:58 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i don't want the full data, the idea is just to make the bot catch papers that are linked (by DOI, i was wondering how to do that right now) and send a notice to the channel if they were retracted or corrected | 00:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I assume you need to buy API access | 00:58 |
| LjL | de-facto, placing requests when needed is still scraping | 00:58 |
| LjL | they don't have JSON output or something, you're scraping the HTML | 00:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll check it out. Would once every couple of hours be OK? | 00:59 |
| tinwhiskers | or even less? | 00:59 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i don't get you. every couple of hours what? how can you download the entire DB? | 00:59 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, I'll have to see what they provide, but presumably you can search for items added in the last day or something? | 01:00 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean checking every couple of hour for new items | 01:00 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well you can search by date so i guess so | 01:01 |
| LjL | searching for retractions from 10 october onwards gives me a list | 01:01 |
| LjL | which looks manageable in size | 01:01 |
| LjL | (aka very short) | 01:01 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, and then just store those that are already reported to the channel so you don't repeat. | 01:02 |
| tinwhiskers | you only need to store them for a day or so since you're only checking for new items within the last day each time you check | 01:03 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i don't want to report each retraction as it happens like a feed (that should already be in place via the RSS), but to send a "beware!" every time a URL to a retracted paper is posted | 01:03 |
| LjL | which i think means i want to send the "beware!" every time it is posted | 01:04 |
| tinwhiskers | ahhh | 01:04 |
| LjL | that's why i was perplexed about downloading the entire database | 01:04 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. we already have the !comment command. I can just make it add a comment | 01:04 |
| tinwhiskers | but yes, it'll need to go back further in time then | 01:04 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, if you find a reliable way to identify which links are papers, and to extract the DOI from them... | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 01:05 |
| LjL | or maybe just extract the title from every document posted, and match the title against the db | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | I see. I thought you were wanting a feed. My bad. | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll have a think about it | 01:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah, we know it's there, might be best to mull options over. looking up *every* URL posted in realtime might cause too many queries and getting banned. downloading the whole database might still be a viable option if you can do it all before they notice | 01:06 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 01:06 |
| de-facto | So a friend told me routing an SSL TCP socket through TOR network accessing it on localhost on a specific port may be possible like this: https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/0d6157fc668949a096722a121887b4af | 01:09 |
| de-facto | if i remember correctly they use something called Linux for such things | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists investigate possible coronavirus mutation in Chile. An investigation is under way to determine why a remote region in Patagonia reported 20 percent of Chile’s COVID-19 cases. → https://is.gd/kCskrf | 01:12 |
| LjL | no bad mutations pretty please | 01:17 |
| de-facto | why dont they just look at the phylogenetic tree for sequences of that | 01:19 |
| de-facto | hmm ok still could be an "isolated" outbreak there with a specific strain yet not due to specific property of only that strain | 01:21 |
| de-facto | i.e. how to determine if the outbreak there could have happened just like it did with any other strain too? | 01:22 |
| de-facto | hrmblmblm they dont seem to provide sources | 01:24 |
| de-facto | %papers author:Navarrete | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 0 papers: | 01:28 |
| de-facto | hmm | 01:28 |
| LjL | %papers author:*Navarrete | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 2 papers: A comparative evaluation of dye-based and probe-based RT-qPCR assay for the screening of SARS-CoV-2 using individual and pooled-sample testing. by Claudio Verdugo et al, published on 2020-06-03 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.30.20117721 [... want %more?] | 01:30 |
| LjL | apparently it wants the full name, unless you wildcard it | 01:30 |
| de-facto | interesting | 01:33 |
| de-facto | seems they all copied from https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-chile-mutation/chile-scientists-study-potential-coronavirus-mutation-in-remote-patagonia-idUSKBN26U07Y | 01:33 |
| de-facto | of course no sources there too | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Analysis Finds True Pandemic Death Toll Is Much Higher Than 200,000 in US → https://is.gd/IBeaxb | 01:33 |
| LjL | %papers by Navarrete | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 2 papers: A comparative evaluation of dye-based and probe-based RT-qPCR assay for the screening of SARS-CoV-2 using individual and pooled-sample testing. by Claudio Verdugo et al, published on 2020-06-03 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.30.20117721 [... want %more?] | 01:35 |
| LjL | i added a shortcut | 01:35 |
| de-facto | oh thats cool :) | 01:35 |
| de-facto | %more | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, [...] listener questions. → https://paste.ee/p/7id7b | 01:35 |
| de-facto | %papers by Navarrete | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 2 papers: A comparative evaluation of dye-based and probe-based RT-qPCR assay for the screening of SARS-CoV-2 using individual and pooled-sample testing. by Claudio Verdugo et al, published on 2020-06-03 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.30.20117721 [... want %more?] | 01:36 |
| de-facto | %more | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, [...] Covid-19 in Chile. The experience of a Regional reference Center. Preliminary report by Felipe Olivares et al, published on 2020-06-16 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.06.14.20130898 → https://paste.ee/p/DqdCM | 01:36 |
| LjL | if you click on the pastebin link, it will have all the papers (in this case it's just those two, but if it's many, it will contain the full list) | 01:37 |
| de-facto | yeah it showed me something else so more seems to be nick specific? | 01:37 |
| LjL | by the way, technically this search engine is only for *preprints*, i'm not sure it searches in published papers | 01:37 |
| LjL | yes | 01:37 |
| de-facto | btw that paper is not about that mutation thingy | 01:38 |
| LjL | it's also a bit broken because what used to be one bot is now three bots connected to the same ZNC | 01:38 |
| LjL | but mostly it should work | 01:38 |
| de-facto | its pretty awesome i like it :) | 01:38 |
| LjL | the command is also available as %preprint(s) but %paper(s) is shorter, if inaccurate | 01:38 |
| LjL | importantly, for now, %papers doi:blah doesn't work, because if i don't escape the /, it doesn't work, and if i do escape the /, it still doesn't work | 01:41 |
| LjL | i sent them an email so maybe they can clarify/fix that for me :P | 01:41 |
| LjL | it would be nice if the API were GET based like... everything else, too, instead of the query being a part of the base URL that i must manually urlencode | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Arkansas teachers leave careers over health concerns due to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/tihSeu | 01:44 |
| de-facto | %papers doi:doi%3A10.1101%2F2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 0 papers: | 01:46 |
| de-facto | %papers doi%3A10.1101%2F2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 1 papers: COVID-19 :Determinants of Hospitalization, ICU and Death among 20,293 reported cases in Portugal by Vasco Ricoca Peixoto et al, published on 2020-05-30 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:46 |
| de-facto | there | 01:46 |
| de-facto | (just an example doi) | 01:47 |
| LjL | uhm | 01:48 |
| LjL | let me see what i was escaping / to | 01:48 |
| LjL | well, i was escaping it to %2F | 01:48 |
| de-facto | i just used their search field and looked at the browsers network console | 01:48 |
| LjL | so i'm not entirely sure what's going wrong here ;( | 01:48 |
| LjL | %papers doi%3A10.1101%2F2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 1 papers: COVID-19 :Determinants of Hospitalization, ICU and Death among 20,293 reported cases in Portugal by Vasco Ricoca Peixoto et al, published on 2020-05-30 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:49 |
| LjL | well, this didn't work when given directly... | 01:49 |
| LjL | (this specific DOI is what i was using to test) | 01:49 |
| LjL | and, it still doesn't if i load it as https://preview.zbmed.de/api/documents/search/doi%3A10.1101%2F2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:50 |
| LjL | soooooooo... | 01:50 |
| LjL | i need to escape the escapement? | 01:50 |
| de-facto | https://preview.zbmed.de/?search=doi%3A10.1101%2F2020.05.29.20115824&entries=10 | 01:50 |
| LjL | yep, https://preview.zbmed.de/api/documents/search/doi%253A10.1101%252F2020.05.29.20115824 works | 01:51 |
| de-facto | nice | 01:51 |
| LjL | de-facto, i'm using the API not the html search, and that doesn't work in the API | 01:51 |
| LjL | the HTML search uses GET parameters which is a much saner thing to do | 01:51 |
| LjL | i did suggest in my email to do the same for the API ;( | 01:51 |
| LjL | but i suppose they had a reason not to | 01:51 |
| LjL | but needing to double-escape is pretty lol | 01:52 |
| de-facto | haha yeah so : becomes %3A becomes %253A | 01:52 |
| de-facto | perfectly reasonable. LOL. | 01:53 |
| LjL | that one probably could stay as %3A, as it works in other commands that aren't doi: (like author:) | 01:53 |
| LjL | it's the / which becomes %2F which becomes %252F which appears to be the problem | 01:53 |
| de-facto | yeah | 01:53 |
| LjL | but escaping the : twice doesn't seem to hurt, either | 01:53 |
| LjL | i guess for now i'll just have the code double-escape everything. for an elegant solution :P | 01:54 |
| de-facto | just mangle it through url escape twice and they should be happy | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Surface transmission of Coronavirus, new Australian study. → https://is.gd/zQKNNR | 01:55 |
| LjL | %papers doi:10.1101/2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 1 papers: COVID-19 :Determinants of Hospitalization, ICU and Death among 20,293 reported cases in Portugal by Vasco Ricoca Peixoto et al, published on 2020-05-30 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.29.20115824 | 01:57 |
| de-facto | wow that was fast, perfect :) | 01:58 |
| LjL | well maybe they'll see my email and break it by fixing it while i am away later :D | 01:58 |
| de-facto | hehe we will see :D | 01:59 |
| de-facto | %papers doi:10.1101/2020.09.14.20193995 | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 1 papers: Predicting clinical outcome with phenotypic clusters in COVID-19 pneumonia: 2 an analysis of 12,066 hospitalized patients from the Spanish registry SEMI-3 COVID-19. by Manuel Rubio-Rivas et al, published on 2020-09-15 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.09.14.20193995 | 02:03 |
| de-facto | thats acutally pretty neat :) | 02:03 |
| LjL | "It also stayed longer on smooth, non-porous surfaces than on porous materials such as cloth, which was found not to carry any infectious virus past 14 days." ← that sure beats the numbers we had prior to this study, by FAR... the common understanding among people, in my experience, has been that on those surfaces you didn't have to worry at all, after the first studies came out :\ | 02:04 |
| LjL | and as far as i understood it this was looking for *viable* virus, although i should check better | 02:04 |
| LjL | "fomites could be very dangerous" "nah fomites don't do anything" "woah actually it stays up to a months in fomites" - seems like a characteristic of this epidemic is that scientific (or near-scientific) beliefs have a bit of... swing-style variability | 02:05 |
| de-facto | it always depends on the dose, assuming there is a half life involved (that surely is less than 14 days) so there must be a considerable amount of initial contamination for something to stay infectious for such a long time | 02:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, it basically says the amount they used was compatible with what a human virus carrier may convey | 02:07 |
| LjL | but that's just from the abstract | 02:07 |
| LjL | don't know details | 02:07 |
| de-facto | hmm ok so they did consider that to make their numbers realistic ok | 02:08 |
| de-facto | so never touch foreign smartphones! | 02:10 |
| LjL | what the abstract says specifically is "With initial viral loads broadly equivalent to the highest titres excreted by infectious patients, viable virus was isolated for up to 28 days at 20 °C" | 02:11 |
| LjL | indeed, the half lives are much shorter | 02:11 |
| LjL | less than 3 days at most | 02:11 |
| LjL | effect of temperature seems dramatic, too, and they did it all in the dark | 02:11 |
| LjL | so it matters most for things that don't often get exposed to the sun, i guess | 02:12 |
| LjL | and it may matter more in winter :\ | 02:12 |
| LjL | it does make the whole frozen food thing more potentially real though doesn't it tinwhiskers | 02:12 |
| LjL | "This data could therefore provide a reasonable explanation for the outbreaks of COVID-19 surrounding meat processing and cold storage facilities. The data also supports the findings of a recent publication on survival of SARS-CoV-2 on fresh and frozen food." | 02:14 |
| de-facto | which paper is that? | 02:15 |
| LjL | "Recent data published on SARS-CoV-2 survivability on hospital PPE observed viable virus up to 21 days post inoculation on both plastic and N95 mask material when held at room temperature." | 02:15 |
| LjL | de-facto, https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-020-01418-7 | 02:15 |
| de-facto | thanks :) | 02:15 |
| LjL | it's from some official Australian agency, i believe | 02:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Fix missing escape → https://is.gd/7QRgh1 | 02:16 |
| de-facto | quite strange have seen this before: half life for 30°C is lower than both below (20°Ĉ) as well as above (40°C) | 02:20 |
| de-facto | below 30°C makes sense as degradation with time may be assumed to be an exponential of temperature in the most simple model | 02:21 |
| de-facto | but why is half life above 30°C increasing? | 02:21 |
| de-facto | hmm forget that, i did not read it properly | 02:24 |
| LjL | i thought it was increasing steadily with temperature | 02:24 |
| LjL | it looks like it may go *beyond* 28 days for the "bad" surfaces at 20°C, and they just stopped there -.- | 02:25 |
| de-facto | their Table 1 uses HOURS for 40°C not DAYS | 02:26 |
| de-facto | LOL they managed to fool me with that | 02:26 |
| LjL | oh | 02:26 |
| LjL | i'm looking at the graphs on page 4 | 02:26 |
| de-facto | yeah and they make perfect sense the hotter it gets the faster it decays | 02:26 |
| de-facto | as does the table when read properly | 02:27 |
| LjL | quite disheartening though | 02:27 |
| LjL | it hasn't even really started getting cold | 02:28 |
| LjL | and we're already seeing more cases in europe than we had last spring | 02:28 |
| LjL | if temperature has such a conspicuous effect... yikes. | 02:28 |
| de-facto | maybe that also explains that cluster "mutation" earlier, its cold there? | 02:29 |
| de-facto | i mean also the meat processing plants hint towards that conclusion, its gonna be much better transmissible in the cold weather | 02:29 |
| de-facto | so trying to find a good thing in there: afaik the majority of the workers had asymptomatic infections either because they were young or maybe it also has to do something with infection dose | 02:31 |
| de-facto | hmm i am not sure that makes any sense though: how would the average infection dose change when half life for viral particles increases (exponentially?) with lower temperatures? | 02:35 |
| de-facto | would it increase the average contamination dose hence more infections happen due to being over an infection threshold? | 02:36 |
| LjL | i think it has a lot more to do with them being young | 02:37 |
| LjL | probably not unlikely the current second waves | 02:37 |
| LjL | not unlike* | 02:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add new study on (long) persistence on surfaces: This study seems important as it not only establishes a much longer length of time than previous studies, but actually looks at viability and not only presence of RNA. I think it suggests that cold temperatures and dark environments are at disproportionately [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rxpwRQ | 02:38 |
| de-facto | yeah would make sense, so more spread due to slower decay in the cold but less symptomatic due to younger workers | 02:38 |
| de-facto | hmm half life is hours or days, time constants for diffusion spread probably is much shorter, hence concentration by distance should not be affected too much by temperature? Thinking about average distancing and threshold infection doses | 02:45 |
| de-facto | maybe air movement by air conditioner did contribute more to efficient spread in those meat factories? | 02:46 |
| de-facto | afaik they use "air falling from the ceiling" cooling, hence once it reaches the workers, tables and the floor it would have to flow sideways efficiently spreading aerosol by workers having to speak loudly with each others due to noisy environment? | 02:48 |
| LjL | i think air movement and air conditioning play a crucial role, in general. i've long thought that, basically since the cruise ship mishaps. | 02:48 |
| LjL | once air is moving around, air is moving around. coming from the ceiling may help compared to direct sideways moving but meh, turbulence takes things everywhere anyway | 02:49 |
| de-facto | employ a smoker, if you can smell the exhaled smoke, air movement is not protecting | 02:49 |
| LjL | sorry if this is not very scientific, but i can already tell you that yes, i could definitely smell it | 02:50 |
| LjL | based on more than enough experiences with smell of smoke | 02:50 |
| de-facto | they probably should have "air sinks" in the floor to have purely vertical air movement, but thats unrealistic to implement quickly probably would need a whole new building concept | 02:50 |
| de-facto | yes I think so too, if one worker would have smoked there probably most of the others could have smelled it | 02:51 |
| de-facto | especially because they use recirculating AC | 02:51 |
| de-facto | without HEPA or such | 02:52 |
| LjL | well, that is something that can be tackled without remaking the whole building | 02:52 |
| LjL | add HEPA, add UV | 02:52 |
| LjL | and if possible, don't recirculate, but that's probably an unfeasible proposition in many cases, and not at all environment-friendly | 02:52 |
| de-facto | yeah we need completely new concepts especially in places of gatherings such as schools etc | 02:53 |
| LjL | schools are just about the most derelict buildings in all of Italy. i think for us at least, the best course of action there is CLOSING THEM | 02:54 |
| de-facto | i heard some could not even open their windows properly, due to some insurance requirements or such | 02:54 |
| de-facto | yes its a long known problem in Germany too that school rooms have bad (or no) air exchange concept at all | 02:55 |
| de-facto | open a window if people become sleepy. LOL | 02:55 |
| de-facto | and all of the summer time was wasted, they could have used that for implementing new air hygiene concepts | 02:56 |
| LjL | currently, schools are required to open windows periodically to recirculate air. but when the real cold comes, i doubt they'll keep doing it | 02:56 |
| LjL | yes, wasted in so many ways | 02:56 |
| de-facto | now we will see how much this is going to multiply reproduction when they have to close them | 02:56 |
| LjL | we wasted time in January-February, okay "we weren't expecting it", but we WERE expecting a second wave after summer, and we wasted MORE time anyway | 02:57 |
| de-facto | exactly | 02:57 |
| LjL | sometimes i just wish i had a bunch of politicians and WHO representatives, and a box of smelly fish to throw at them | 02:57 |
| LjL | (smelly, and, ideally, cold, and kept in the dark) | 02:57 |
| de-facto | yeah or just put them in the school class and someone with a bad flu in the middle of it and not telling them its not covid :] | 02:58 |
| ryouma | actually i think if this channel expected it then i don't think it is unreasonable to expect western leaders to have anticipated it in their deeds, which they did not | 02:58 |
| ryouma | and this channel did expect it | 02:58 |
| de-facto | expect a second wave? | 02:59 |
| ryouma | no the first hit on western countries. idk about italy, but definitely the rest of the west. | 02:59 |
| ryouma | we just watched in slow motion doing nothing | 02:59 |
| ryouma | where we = politicians | 03:00 |
| LjL | of course the rest of the world could expect it | 03:00 |
| LjL | even italy could expect it (*i* was expecting it), but i'm trying to be merciful | 03:00 |
| de-facto | the expected second wave in the fall was in BOLD in every podcast about COVID and SARS | 03:00 |
| de-facto | it can be considered public knowledge | 03:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mainland China reports 21 new COVID-19 cases vs 15 a day earlier → https://is.gd/8t4cuQ | 03:10 |
| ryouma | (i was in the sunbelt saying look, it's transmissible from human to human. look, it's left china now. look, the entire (huge) island of hokkaidou was locked down. look: italy. look: nyc. and almost nothing occurred outside of those 2 places except hoarding and politicians saying they were prepared when they were grossly and obviously not.) | 03:11 |
| LjL | de-facto, i've received a suggestion to use CO2 meters to determine whether air is becoming too stagnant and should be recirculated (e.g. windows opened). it could be a last ditch measure for buildings that can't be retrofitted decently, like some schools | 03:13 |
| ryouma | interesting idea | 03:13 |
| semitones | I'm going to start putting together a datalogger to measure co2 concentration throughout the day in my workplace, to get a sense of how well fresh air is replacing the indoor air | 03:13 |
| ryouma | there are heat exchangers that allow fresh air in without changing temperature. idk their efficiency. but you just put a hole in the outsie wall and stick them there. | 03:14 |
| semitones | I have a datalogger already that I could use; I'd just have to write arduino code for it and buy the sensor | 03:14 |
| semitones | but ideally I would want to get a datalogger that syncs up with my phone, using bluetooth or some magic | 03:14 |
| semitones | there's probably a chinese device that already does it, which I don't have to build | 03:14 |
| ryouma | there are similar things aloready done with particle counters | 03:15 |
| ryouma | you can perhaps use the same designs and substitue co2 | 03:15 |
| LjL | semitones, if you want to feed it to your phone, 433MHz is still possible but it becomes a lot less practical. a BLE sensor would be much nicer | 03:16 |
| semitones | https://www.amazon.com/Accurate-Formaldehyde-Multifunctional-Detector-Recording/dp/B088WBCDXS/ref=pd_sbs_328_1/146-8648080-6898263?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B088WBCDXS&pd_rd_r=97d7917e-c515-40d6-b118-3c241149dba0&pd_rd_w=FWFD2&pd_rd_wg=lqDbH&pf_rd_p=b65ee94e-1282-43fc-a8b1-8bf931f6dfab&pf_rd_r=AXWH68HBD0KWD8WPMN0P&psc=1&refRID=AXWH68HBD0KWD8WPMN0P | 03:17 |
| semitones | This is only $50 | 03:17 |
| dTal | just use wifi | 03:17 |
| semitones | but it might not be accurate | 03:17 |
| semitones | i could use a pi zero and wifi | 03:17 |
| semitones | but I'd have to figure out a protocol to use | 03:18 |
| semitones | maybe Mozilla internet of things | 03:18 |
| LjL | looks like that measures a few things. but it doesn't send them anywhere, does it? | 03:18 |
| semitones | no it doesn't | 03:18 |
| dTal | ESP8266 / ESP32 | 03:18 |
| semitones | wifi? | 03:18 |
| LjL | yes, those have wifi | 03:19 |
| LjL | they are very cheap chips, especially the former | 03:19 |
| semitones | oh, bluetooth too for one of them | 03:19 |
| LjL | and can be rather battery-sparing | 03:19 |
| LjL | i've never used them, just hearsay | 03:19 |
| LjL | but there is a lot of development done around them | 03:19 |
| semitones | When you are using breakout boards, is it easy to learn how to solder (and unsolder) them | 03:20 |
| LjL | semitones, something about CO2 though... especially in a city, won't it change a lot due to reasons that have nothing to do with your indoor air? would you have to compare indoor ppm to outdoor ppm to get a meaningful metric of air exchange? | 03:21 |
| semitones | I have a soldering gun, and have used it, but I've never unsoldered if I make a mistake | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘I feel like I have dementia’: Brain fog plagues COVID-19 survivors → https://is.gd/0ik4Wv | 03:21 |
| semitones | LjL, it wouldn't hurt | 03:21 |
| semitones | but I think you could have a before/after comparison as well | 03:22 |
| semitones | (windows closed, vs windows open, with the dry ice going) | 03:22 |
| LjL | hm, right | 03:22 |
| LjL | except, if you want to use this as a device to know when you'd better open the window | 03:22 |
| semitones | yeah, like with some kind of alarm feature | 03:23 |
| LjL | yeah, that would be good for schools and workplaces | 03:23 |
| semitones | I have a little bluetooth thing which tells me if humidity gets too high, by beeping my phone | 03:23 |
| LjL | if it can connect to the internet then i guess it could easily(?) get CO2 ppm for outdoor air from some air monitoring station | 03:23 |
| semitones | yeah good point | 03:23 |
| LjL | i mean, other people's air monitoring stations | 03:23 |
| LjL | so using wifi might have that additional bonus | 03:24 |
| semitones | I think I can start with the CO2 sensor and the arduino-compatible (SD card) datalogger I already have | 03:25 |
| semitones | and see if it shows a pattern of nighttime low CO2, and daytime rise and fall as people come in | 03:25 |
| semitones | if I get good data, I can worry about the wifi part of it | 03:25 |
| LjL | semitones, you should have a way of logging when windows are opened (if openable) | 03:26 |
| LjL | although i'm not sure which way that would be, unless you stuck a sensor on every window | 03:27 |
| semitones | you could start out with taking notes, like a proper experiment | 03:27 |
| semitones | I'm not sure what you would use for windows, maybe a proximity sensor | 03:28 |
| semitones | So if I have a sensor, and I need to put wires on it to attach it to something else; that's the thing I know least about | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to announce new coronavirus restrictions for UK → https://is.gd/Ll6VUQ | 03:32 |
| semitones | I'm looking into the sparkfun qwiic stuff | 03:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canadian detained in China 'astonished' to learn about scale of Covid pandemic | World news → https://is.gd/pq5hZ5 | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 12 US States Just Hit Record COVID-19 Case Counts. It Could Be The Dreaded 2nd Wave → https://is.gd/GaqyF5 | 04:04 |
| ryouma | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54500673 | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: [China] Update on COVID-19 Pandemic Situation as of 24:00 11/10/2020 → https://is.gd/auaR7M | 04:36 |
| LjL | ryouma, yeah we discussed that, study is here https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-020-01418-7 | 04:38 |
| LjL | also new command, let's see if it works with this one | 04:38 |
| LjL | %paper doi:10.1186/s12985-020-01418-7 | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 0 papers: | 04:38 |
| LjL | %paper doi:10.1186/s12985-020-01418 | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 0 papers: | 04:38 |
| LjL | i guess not | 04:38 |
| LjL | %paper doi:10.1186/s12985 | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 0 papers: | 04:38 |
| LjL | %paper The effect of temperature on persistence of SARS-CoV-2 on common surfaces | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 0 papers: | 04:39 |
| LjL | i guess it's not filed there yet | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: White House seeks limited coronavirus relief bill, promises further talks on broader stimulus → https://is.gd/K511Az | 04:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Tribe reports scramble for hospital beds in South Dakota → https://is.gd/ZeEC0d | 05:20 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Analysis Finds True Pandemic Death Toll Is Much Higher Than 200,000 in US (10233 votes) | https://www.bu.edu/articles/2020/analysis-finds-true-pandemic-death-toll-is-much-higher-than-200000-in-us/ | https://redd.it/j9fllm | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Leader of NYC protest against Covid-19 rules arrested in alleged assault → https://is.gd/vujyJi | 05:30 |
| ryouma | dunno if this is known https://rt.live/ | 05:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID Patients May Be Protected for Up to Four Months According to a Harvard study → https://is.gd/Ko08pJ | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus May Stay For Weeks On Currency, Touchscreens: Study → https://is.gd/jcJvhY | 06:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Zealand might be the only country where the pandemic led to fewer deaths. In addition to avoiding a widespread coronavirus outbreak, the flu season never came → https://is.gd/gPPXED | 06:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Models predict new COVID-19 surge could bring 30% more deaths → https://is.gd/9w4jU4 | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New report shows hunger is due to soar as coronavirus obliterates lives and livelihoods → https://is.gd/8Q44hb | 06:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID Misinformation Is Killing People → https://is.gd/WsJpDe | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +54844 cases (now 37.9 million), +1156 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 8 hours ago — US: +5948 cases (now 8.0 million), +20 deaths (now 219695) since 8 hours ago | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +1365 cases (now 605081) since 13 hours ago — World: +405 cases (now 37.9 million), +7 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 18 minutes ago | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Novel coronavirus can last 28 days on glass, currency, Australian study finds → https://is.gd/BUbiG5 | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: New Zealand signs deal with Pfizer, BioNTech for COVID-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/z0nZWN | 08:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: What you need to know about the coronavirus right now → https://is.gd/z4Q4Yo | 08:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Inhaled vaccines aim to fight Coronavirus at its point of attack → https://is.gd/qJXR75 | 08:34 |
| Haley[m] | %cases usa | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[m]: In US, there have been 8.0 million confirmed cases (2.4% of the population) and 219695 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of an hour ago. 118.5 million tests were performed (6.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Germany is highest-ranked nation in Europe for COVID response - survey → https://is.gd/zQhalx | 08:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Scientists say anti-microbe drug works on virus → https://is.gd/qeNk9u | 08:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Alameda nurses on strike hold candlelight vigil in honor of peers who died of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/BtuUYc | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: New local lockdown restrictions in England to be unveiled: The Liverpool City Region is set to face the tightest Covid restrictions under a new "three tier" system. → https://is.gd/dDbaBn | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +23829 cases (now 37.9 million), +207 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 3 hours ago | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Two Black university leaders urged their campuses to join a Covid-19 vaccine trial. The backlash was swift: The episode illustrates the challenges historically Black universities face as they seek to leverage their legacies of trust within African American communities to bolster lagging Black enrollment in Covid-19 trials. → https://is.gd/RdDaF0 | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Three-tier lockdown system to be unveiled in England: The Liverpool City Region is expected to face the tightest Covid restrictions under the new system. → https://is.gd/dDbaBn | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: China's Qingdao to test nine million in five days → https://is.gd/nIRwUn | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK set to impose controversial local shutdowns as coronavirus spreads rapidly: The British government is set to outline further restrictive measures for England on Monday, including stricter local lockdowns, as it attempts to curb a rapid increase in coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/Vgsih1 | 11:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 can live for up to 28 days on surfaces such as mobile phone screens and ATMs — much longer than previously thought — new Australian research has found. → https://is.gd/QzuMwv | 11:47 |
| kreyren | So i kissed with a person who had covid-19 at the time day 2 (apparently) and i did not get it, but the other person who also kissed said person did.. why? O.o | 11:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Three-tier lockdown system to be unveiled in England: The Liverpool City Region is expected to face the tightest Covid restrictions under the new system. → https://is.gd/dDbaBn | 11:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK set to impose controversial local shutdowns as coronavirus spreads rapidly: The British government is set to outline further restrictive measures for England on Monday, including stricter local lockdowns, as it attempts to curb a rapid increase in coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/Vgsih1 | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +12409 cases (now 37.9 million), +150 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — US: +812 cases (now 8.0 million), +7 deaths (now 219702) since 5 hours ago | 12:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Imperfect storm: is interleukin-33 the Achilles heel of COVID-19? (82 votes) | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30340-4/fulltext | https://redd.it/j9iy8i | 12:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Pressure building in UK hospitals: Advisers says the situation is "hotting up", with hospitals in England treating more coronavirus patients. → https://is.gd/J7oNaW | 12:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Three-tier lockdown system to be unveiled in England: The Liverpool City Region is expected to face the tightest Covid restrictions under the new system. → https://is.gd/dDbaBn | 12:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: China to test whole city of 9m as Europe rolls out new virus rules: All nine million people in a major Chinese port city will be tested for COVID-19 following a tiny outbreak, health officials said Monday, as surging infection numbers in Europe force another round of containment efforts. → https://is.gd/2L2GMc | 12:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK set to impose controversial local shutdowns as coronavirus spreads rapidly: The British government is set to outline further restrictive measures for England on Monday, including stricter local lockdowns, as it attempts to curb a rapid increase in coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/Vgsih1 | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +16021 cases (now 37.9 million), +386 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — US: +122 cases (now 8.0 million), +4 deaths (now 219706) since an hour ago | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Watch: How Hina Khan got COVID-19 test done before entering the Big Boss house → https://is.gd/1ekp5I | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Nightingale hospitals in northern England told to get ready: Advisers say the situation is "hotting up", and hospitals in England must prepare for more Covid patients. → https://is.gd/J7oNaW | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: US funding sees Covid-19 antibody trial enter next phase: UK pharmaceuticals group AstraZeneca said on Monday it will advance trials of a Covid-19 treatment to a crucial third stage, after the United States invested $486 million (411 million euros) in its development. → https://is.gd/IB1vST | 13:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Nightingale hospitals in northern England told to get ready: Advisers say the situation is "hotting up", and hospitals in England must prepare for more Covid patients. → https://is.gd/J7oNaW | 13:45 |
| dTal | kreyren: the other person's a better kisser? | 13:57 |
| dTal | Also, you might wanna rethink having kissing orgies in the middle of a pandemic | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Some U.S. doctors flee to New Zealand where the coronavirus outbreak is under control and science is respected → https://is.gd/0yDnkQ | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Three-tier lockdown system to be unveiled in England: The Liverpool City Region is expected to face the tightest Covid restrictions under the new system. → https://is.gd/dDbaBn | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Health: Why So Many Americans Are Skeptical of a Coronavirus Vaccine → https://is.gd/2eijKb | 14:39 |
| kreyren | dTal, doubt! i am better at kissing! :p And yes i should rethink that but was curious as before i only had a fever day 3 and then it was ok and my test on covid are negative.. does that mean that i have antibodies on it? | 14:44 |
| snake | kreyren, just means you don't have covid, you might have something else | 14:45 |
| kreyren | snake, eh? | 14:45 |
| snake | kreyren, well i was assuming that was your first test | 14:46 |
| snake | was it not? did you have a positive test before? | 14:46 |
| kreyren | no never had positive test | 14:46 |
| snake | ok yeah you don't have covid then, thank goodness | 14:46 |
| snake | gratz | 14:47 |
| kreyren | snake, i french kissed with someone who had covid though and i didn't get it? | 14:47 |
| kreyren | and the other person who kissed with the same person got it O.o | 14:47 |
| snake | hmm, that does seem unlikely.. if you kissed someone in a passionate manner for a duration of time then you would probably get it | 14:48 |
| snake | kreyren, a false negative is possible | 14:48 |
| kreyren | snake, i didn't though? test was also negative | 14:48 |
| kreyren | snake, true, but i don't even have symptoms O.o | 14:48 |
| snake | you had a fever | 14:48 |
| snake | kreyren, are you male or female? | 14:49 |
| kreyren | male | 14:49 |
| snake | other person's sex? | 14:49 |
| snake | also your ages | 14:49 |
| snake | (approx. if you prefer) | 14:49 |
| kreyren | i had fever day 3 before that was talking with someone with a somewhat close distance who had covid and i felt bad day 3 and had fever for like 8 hours then it was OK again | 14:49 |
| kreyren | early 20s | 14:49 |
| snake | did you touch her boobs at all? | 14:50 |
| kreyren | just ass~ | 14:50 |
| snake | hmm touching ass might make you immune from the covids | 14:50 |
| kreyren | what | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK set to impose contentious local shutdowns as coronavirus spreads rapidly: The British government is set to outline further restrictive measures for England on Monday, including stricter local lockdowns, as it attempts to curb a rapid increase in coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/Vgsih1 | 14:50 |
| snake | kreyren, i'm formulating a hypothesis. you're my case-study | 14:50 |
| kreyren | o.o | 14:51 |
| snake | kiss me | 14:51 |
| kreyren | My theory was that i was exposed to it before and i have reactive enough immune system to handle it? | 14:51 |
| snake | oh ahem, yeah that's possible | 14:51 |
| kreyren | we can kiss too though :3 | 14:51 |
| snake | excellent. you may proceed | 14:52 |
| kreyren | want to do more research in it though so that i don't get covid in case i did something that prevented the infection x.x | 14:52 |
| kreyren | but i used to have a fever, sore throat and headache when i got exposed to SARS-CoV-2 now nothing O.o | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Three-tier lockdown system to be unveiled in England: The Liverpool City Region is expected to face the tightest Covid restrictions under the new system. → https://is.gd/dDbaBn | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Sensory scientists encourage smell checks to fight COVID-19 spread: With mounting scientific evidence that anosmia, or loss of smell, is one of the most specific symptoms of COVID-19 infection, sensory scientists in Penn State's College of Agricultural Sciences have launched a webpage to encourage people to perform a daily [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/S90eVJ | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Experimental COVID-19 treatment given to Trump found to relieve symptoms in macaques and hamsters: A team of researchers with Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Inc., working with the Texas Biomedical Research Institute, has found that the antibody cocktail given to President Trump was effective in reducing COVID-19 symptoms in rhesus [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/A8GcmR | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 'Significant' COVID-19 drug breakthrough: A new inhalation treatment for preventing the spread of COVID-19 is potentially far more effective than currently existing versions, according to new research carried out at the University of St Andrews. → https://is.gd/bCOoXU | 15:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Millions of face masks are being thrown away during COVID-19. Here's how to choose the best one for the planet: Face masks are part of our daily lives during the pandemic. Many are made from plastics and designed to be used just once, which means thousands of tons of extra waste going to landfill. → https://is.gd/yDPUon | 15:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Democrats and Republicans dismiss Trump’s coronavirus stimulus offer, dimming hopes for a deal → https://is.gd/37PfB5 | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: As COVID-19 cases rise again, how will the US respond? Here's what states have learned so far: When COVID-19 began spreading in the U.S. in early spring, governors in hard-hit states took drastic steps to reduce the threat and avoid overloading their health care systems. By shutting down nonessential businesses and schools and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/iUqgPv | 16:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Remdesivir study finally published, and an expert in critical care medicine gives us his verdict: The results of the ACTT-1 trial, which looked at the effectiveness of remdesivir as a treatment for COVID-19, have finally been published. So far the only drug that has been shown to reduce deaths from the disease has been [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HI7N4s | 16:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Some U.S. doctors flee to New Zealand where the coronavirus outbreak is under control and science is respected → https://is.gd/0yDnkQ | 16:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Single-dose intranasal administration of AdCOVID elicits systemic and mucosal immunity against SARS-CoV-2 in mice (82 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.10.331348v1 | https://redd.it/j9mi28 | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +36710 cases (now 38.0 million), +494 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 4 hours ago — US: +4617 cases (now 8.0 million), +69 deaths (now 219775) since 4 hours ago | 17:05 |
| kreyren | %cases slovakia | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | kreyren: In Slovakia, there have been 20355 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 61 deaths (0.3% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 552447 tests were performed (3.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Slovakia for time series data. | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Therapy using immune system cells preserves vision in mice implanted with rare eye cancer: A treatment that uses immune system T cells, combined with an immune-boosting drug packaged in an injectable gel, was found to preserve the vision of mice implanted with tissue from a human eye cancer known as retinoblastoma. The cancer [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tN1GeY | 17:10 |
| snake | %cases PA | 17:20 |
| Brainstorm | snake: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 176820 confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 8432 deaths (4.8% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (12.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 17:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Danes start culling 2.5 million minks after virus hits farms → https://is.gd/rqZtSy | 17:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Boris Johnson confirms new three-tier alert system, with Liverpool 'very high' → https://is.gd/3V7hgO | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +45763 cases (now 38.0 million), +427 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 49 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +12607 cases (now 617688) since 10 hours ago — Italy: +4619 cases (now 359569), +39 deaths (now 36205) since a day ago — US: +1729 cases (now 8.0 million), +16 deaths (now 219791) since 49 minutes ago | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus: How to make the three-tier lockdown work: Over 50 areas in England are under local lockdown. The patchwork of restriction is complex and difficult to enforce, so to simplify things, the government is introducing a much simpler three-tier system of lockdowns. England will be divided into three zones: medium risk, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1EWfcQ | 17:54 |
| LjL | de-facto, oh lord, the ZDMED API folks replied to my email, but now they want to know if i'm a researched and how i heard about the API and all of that :P | 17:56 |
| LjL | but they told me they have changed it so that "_" can be used instead of "/" and also that they have a beta version of the API that uses GET parameters, which is much cleaner if you ask me | 17:57 |
| LjL | as they note, it means you can turn a web search into an API call or vice versa by just changing the base URL | 17:57 |
| LjL | bah. offer studies instead of handwaving things about evidence without presenting it; get downvoted https://np.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/j9a764/cloth_face_masks_dont_work_if_youre_not_washing/g8joht0/ | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +8503 cases (now 38.0 million), +177 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 17 minutes ago — US: +1574 cases (now 8.0 million), +6 deaths (now 219797) since 17 minutes ago | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Police, at High Risk for COVID-19, Race to Adapt: More than 100 law enforcement officers -- mainly police, sheriffs, and corrections -- have died from COVID-19 on the job this year, which is more than from gun violence, car accidents, heart attacks, or other causes, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page. → https://is.gd/mZXhRU | 18:15 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 617688 confirmed cases (0.9% of the population) and 45712 deaths (7.4% of cases) as of 42 minutes ago. 27.0 million tests were performed (2.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +17054 cases (now 38.0 million), +307 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 31 minutes ago — US: +1171 cases (now 8.0 million), +3 deaths (now 219800) since 31 minutes ago | 18:35 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Abbott Receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization for its COVID-19 IgM Antibody Blood Test (94 votes) | https://abbott.mediaroom.com/2020-10-12-Abbott-Receives-FDA-Emergency-Use-Authorization-for-its-COVID-19-IgM-Antibody-Blood-Test | https://redd.it/j9sut1 | 18:39 |
| de-facto | LjL nice so they did honor your complaint and implemented your suggestion thats pretty cool actually :)) | 18:44 |
| de-facto | hmm careful in what you respond, do they have terms of usage for the api somewhere? | 18:46 |
| de-facto | but maybe they are just interested in the use case scenario, but maybe also about if they are represented properly in your work, could be both i guess | 18:47 |
| Jigsy | The reason the UK always has low figures on Saturday, Sunday and Monday is because COVID-19 doesn't work long on weekends. | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Boris Johnson confirms new three-tier alert system, with Liverpool 'very high' → https://is.gd/3V7hgO | 18:59 |
| de-facto | Jigsy, really low incidence on Saturdays in UK? Shouldn't those be the numbers collected on Friday or do they go home early on Fridays? | 19:14 |
| Jigsy | I honestly don't know. | 19:15 |
| de-facto | hmm interesting its the same here in Germany, raise during the week from Monday to Friday, then Saturday a dip and minimum on Sundays | 19:18 |
| de-facto | 4 federal states dont report during weekends (afaik even the ones with biggest populations) | 19:19 |
| LjL | de-facto, it's the same in Italy, except the minimum is on Mondays | 19:27 |
| LjL | it's... the same everywhere, always been, not sure why y'all are still surprised :P | 19:28 |
| LjL | Mondays are likely the lowest in Italy because Sundays are the days with the least processing | 19:28 |
| de-facto | yes of course there is the weekly periodicity, its not surprising, here its the Sundays having the lowest numbers | 19:31 |
| de-facto | yet for some countries the periodicity looks to be much less than for others | 19:32 |
| de-facto | so it seems there are quire some differences in reporting data flows | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Some U.S. doctors flee to New Zealand where the coronavirus outbreak is under control and science is respected → https://is.gd/0yDnkQ | 19:41 |
| spybert | Regarding the story about US doctors fleeing to New Zealand, I think other factors are at work besides covid-19 policy | 19:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, of course they weighed up other factors as well. | 19:46 |
| tinwhiskers | They may well consider a generally rational health care system to be a factor. It must be heartbreaking working under the US healthcare system as a doctor. | 19:48 |
| spybert | Yes, but many other wealthy individuals have decided to wait out the election in places like New Zealand. There is the possibility of an authoritarian takeover of the US government ala Putin if the current president decides not to accept the election results. | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | But there's plenty of QAnon type nutters in NZ as well. Public policy may be more supportive of science under the current government but it is far less so under the opposition party, who tends to come to power again every few election cycles as people think it's time for a change. | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | spybert: yeah, better to watch that from afar for sure :-) | 19:51 |
| spybert | Also many fear a nuclear confrontation due to the president's erratic thought processes. | 19:51 |
| tinwhiskers | That's really not very likely | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Boris Johnson confirms new three-tier alert system, with Liverpool 'very high' → https://is.gd/3V7hgO | 19:52 |
| spybert | Many insiders are very nervous. | 19:52 |
| spybert | This is slightly off-topic for this channel, but - https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich | 19:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, pretty much all those examples predate covid. Being a prepper isn't the exclusive preserve of *poor* nutters and conspiracy theorists. The talk in there about the end of the world and doomsday is telling. | 20:12 |
| tinwhiskers | I think only "a lot of insiders are worried [about the nuclear issue]" is only true if you have quite a selection bias. | 20:13 |
| tinwhiskers | There's lots that can go wrong internally but the nuclear option doesn't make a lot of sense. | 20:14 |
| LjL | we are expecting a new law decree this evening (although it isn't certain) | 20:34 |
| LjL | there may be new measures like closures of bars and pub and/or stopping of alcohol sales after a certain hour | 20:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Austria ski resort virus outbreak mishandled, report finds: Local and federal authorities could have contained the spread of a coronavirus outbreak that infected thousands of tourists in two Austrian ski resorts, according to a report published Monday. → https://is.gd/5eVQcY | 20:35 |
| spybert | tinwhiskers: Look at the sabre rattling games with North Korea | 20:35 |
| semitones | Two people at my work called out sick today | 20:35 |
| tinwhiskers | spybert: that footnote in history is not leading to a nuclear incident. | 20:36 |
| spybert | tinwhiskers: Yet. But you have to admit that's not normal behavior | 20:37 |
| tinwhiskers | it's normal for Trump and has nothing to do with doctors moving away due to covid, etc. | 20:37 |
| spybert | tinwhiskers: I disagree on that, I think it adds to the pressure. | 20:38 |
| tinwhiskers | the rhetoric about him not accepting defeat graciously has come about far more recently than all that stuff you're linking to it. | 20:39 |
| spybert | Anyway, I notice that with all this mask wearing and social distancing the incidence of colds and flu is way down | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Boris Johnson confirms new three-tier alert system, with Liverpool 'very high' → https://is.gd/3V7hgO | 20:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK PM sets out 3-tier COVID-19 lockdown system → https://is.gd/xWgPx1 | 20:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Boris Johnson confirms new three-tier alert system, with Liverpool 'very high' → https://is.gd/3V7hgO | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Netherlands reports 6,854 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record → https://is.gd/FmHEBp | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +60990 cases (now 38.1 million), +504 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 2 hours ago — Spain: +27856 cases (now 918223), +195 deaths (now 33124) since 3 days ago — US: +18843 cases (now 8.0 million), +116 deaths (now 219916) since 2 hours ago — France: +8505 cases (now 743479), +96 deaths (now 32779) since 22 hours ago | 21:21 |
| LjL | http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands;Belgium&smooth=yes so similar, just with slight delays here and there... have the two countries adopted very similar measures, or do they just happen to be geographically close and that's the whole reason? | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Boris Johnson tells of 'dashboard warnings' over rise in cases: Boris Johnson rules out a full lockdown "right now" as he launches new tiers of restrictions in England. → https://is.gd/3V7hgO | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +11156 cases (now 38.1 million), +187 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 49 minutes ago — US: +5910 cases (now 8.0 million), +50 deaths (now 219966) since 49 minutes ago | 22:06 |
| spybert | tinwhiskers: The covid-19 epidemic denial is merely a continuation of a pattern of rejection of science. This revealed itself much earlier with the denial of climate change. | 22:14 |
| spybert | tinwhiskers: The current US administration has taken the rejection of scientific expertise even further, with the rejection of legal, diplomatic, and military expertise as well. | 22:20 |
| spybert | tinwhiskers: That was the red flag that triggered the billionaire bugout contingency plans | 22:24 |
| tinwhiskers | spybert: I totally agree with the first two comments. The third is not just in the realm of the billionaires and I don't think there's any reason to think they represent a higher proportion of that behaviour than others. | 22:27 |
| tinwhiskers | In the piece you linked to one admitted that he was on the fringe compared to his peers | 22:28 |
| tinwhiskers | you can find people in all walks of life that are disillusioned by the anti-science stance of the US government, and these people do not really know more about the social levers we deal with than other people just because they run a successful company. | 22:29 |
| tinwhiskers | of course they do have really fancy bunkers and isolated plots of land compared to many others that feel the same :-) | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New U.S. COVID-19 cases rise 11% last week, Midwest hard hit → https://is.gd/JjGLdI | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Czech republic - All restaurants and bars are to be closed, alcohol drinking prohibited in public places → https://is.gd/W7h0kf | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sen. Mike Lee, Recently Infected With Coronavirus, Attends Confirmation Hearing → https://is.gd/nx0bgt | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC: 70.6% of Covid patients surveyed said they wore a mask "always" → https://is.gd/Frsh7m | 23:28 |
| LjL | ↑ that above is not very encouraging about the effectiveness of masks :( | 23:33 |
| LjL | let's just hope they lied? | 23:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +10342 cases (now 38.1 million), +153 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — US: +2764 cases (now 8.0 million), +11 deaths (now 219977) since an hour ago | 23:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Indian man reportedly dies after fasting to pray for Trump’s COVID-19 recovery → https://is.gd/SEZOza | 23:39 |
| LjL | ... | 23:40 |
| LjL | how the hell did that even end up here, it's heavily downvoted | 23:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dutch researchers report first death from COVID-19 reinfection → https://is.gd/38AHYN | 23:50 |
| LjL | well that sounds more interesting, if in a bad way ;( | 23:50 |
| LjL | very comorbid, though | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1129 cases (now 38.1 million), +27 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 18 minutes ago — US: +454 cases (now 8.0 million), +4 deaths (now 219981) since 18 minutes ago | 23:51 |
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