| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France reports new record of 45,422 new coronavirus cases in a day → https://is.gd/rvah18 | 00:00 |
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| pycat | old news | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +7869 cases (now 8.8 million), +36 deaths (now 230007) since an hour ago — Canada: +26 cases (now 214516) since 2 hours ago | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Universal mask wearing could save almost 130,000 lives from coronavirus, epidemiologist says → https://is.gd/CdoU8r | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Countries battle rising virus cases as WHO sees 'exponential' rise: A number of countries tightened anti-coronavirus measures on Saturday, with France extending a curfew and Belgium bringing forward its own, as Germany's death toll passed 10,000 and the US reported 80,000 infections in a single day. → https://is.gd/jImmfR | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2912 cases (now 8.8 million), +18 deaths (now 230025) since 52 minutes ago | 00:54 |
| ryouma | is az still on that list? | 01:22 |
| ryouma | is it poss that the naples protests are agitated by russia and such? | 01:24 |
| LjL | why do you have to default to russia or china agitating everything | 01:28 |
| LjL | neapolitans are perfectly capable of rioting on their own | 01:28 |
| LjL | also what list | 01:28 |
| ryouma | Brainstorm: list of monitored locations | 01:31 |
| LjL | yes | 01:31 |
| ryouma | idk about china. the mainstream reported places are russia and iran. | 01:31 |
| ryouma | thanks | 01:31 |
| pycat | night yall | 01:31 |
| LjL | pycat, meow() | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France becomes 7th country with more than 1 million COVID-19 cases → https://is.gd/MPZ4JD | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada adds more than 2,500 new coronavirus cases Friday → https://is.gd/bW3fok | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: People's Savings Are Down To $0 Because Of The Pandemic → https://is.gd/pKnWKl | 02:47 |
| LjL | that's a nice round number | 02:48 |
| metreo | lol | 03:58 |
| metreo | article its self is not as funny unfortunately | 04:01 |
| LjL | Spec, https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jha2cm/vitamin_d_treatment_is_associated_with_reduced/ this is somewhat recent but aside from the preprint, some of the comments have some insights you may want to gain (with reddit comment caveats of course) | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pandemic pushes Japan's wealthy to spend like there's no tomorrow → https://is.gd/MZ9LPw | 04:04 |
| metreo | vitamin D has side effects | 04:04 |
| metreo | it causes issues with calcification and kidney stones IIRC | 04:05 |
| metreo | won't be mega dosing it that's for sure | 04:05 |
| LjL | well there is no indication that one needs to mega dose | 04:06 |
| LjL | but there is ample indication that most people are deficient, at least in winter | 04:06 |
| LjL | and i suspect even in not-winter if there are lockdowns during that time | 04:06 |
| LjL | just a normal supplemental dose of 1000 to 4000 IU, AFAIK, isn't linked to particularly serious side effects | 04:06 |
| metreo | right, the deficiency alone is a marker for negative effects to health | 04:06 |
| metreo | no but it does contribute to calcification | 04:07 |
| LjL | but these days it can be really easier to get a supplement (in sane normal doses) than to get tested for deficiency | 04:07 |
| LjL | at any other time i'd recommend to get tested before supplementing for no good reason | 04:07 |
| LjL | actually i'm recommending nothing, i'm just saying | 04:07 |
| metreo | yes, personally I would opt for the lower end of the dose and you can certainly get a blood test to track your uptake | 04:08 |
| LjL | i'm just saying many papers have popped up about vitamin D and its possible links with COVID and i found the bulk of them interesting and perhaps they are going more under the radar than they should, and yeah i would recommend reading up on them | 04:09 |
| LjL | metreo, getting a blood tests in some places probably puts you more at risk of COVID than vitamin D can help against it :P | 04:09 |
| LjL | anecdote: my sister went to the hospital for an ENT issue and the waiting room included both regular patients and people waiting for a COVID test | 04:09 |
| metreo | true :'( | 04:10 |
| metreo | yeah you mentioned, not good | 04:10 |
| LjL | hopefully other hospitals are saner | 04:10 |
| LjL | but you may not know exactly what the situation is going to be when you go there | 04:10 |
| metreo | the thing about D is it's pretty universially true that being deficient is bad for your outcomes when recovering from an illness | 04:11 |
| metreo | it's nearly impossible here to know the status of any ER | 04:11 |
| metreo | it's outrageous you can't even get an estimate of wait times ahead of time | 04:12 |
| LjL | we can here, in normal times. i should have a look at the app and laugh perhaps | 04:12 |
| metreo | though there is a group of people who take advantage of ER services | 04:12 |
| LjL | but we only can through an obnoxious app that requires your phone not to be rooted | 04:12 |
| metreo | yeah then good luck having the current data | 04:12 |
| LjL | it's normally realtime | 04:12 |
| LjL | you use the app to decide which ER to go to | 04:13 |
| metreo | that's nice, I wish we had it here | 04:13 |
| LjL | if tells you how many people are under treatment and how many are waiting, and on which codes | 04:13 |
| metreo | wow that's great | 04:13 |
| metreo | come sell it to Canada | 04:14 |
| LjL | this is specific to Lombardy, but Latium for example is even better (if it works well, which i don't know) because they provide it as open data in CSV format with an API | 04:14 |
| LjL | so you don't have to use any stinking app, or if you want an app, you can make it | 04:14 |
| metreo | yeah that's better for everyone | 04:14 |
| LjL | instead in Lombardy it seems like they don't want us to log this information, because why would the app refuse to work with a rooted phone? | 04:14 |
| metreo | too much accountability maybe? | 04:14 |
| LjL | you log it, you make graphs, you publish them on a newspaper, you show waiting times are bad | 04:15 |
| LjL | yeah | 04:15 |
| LjL | i mean maybe i'm thinking of the worst possible reason as usual | 04:15 |
| LjL | but we say here | 04:15 |
| LjL | %tr <it A pensar male, si fa peccato ma ci si azzecca. | 04:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: To think wrong, it's a shame, but it's right. (MyMemory) — Thinking badly makes you sin but you get it right. (Google) — To think badly, #do sinned but *ci *azzecca. (Apertium) | 04:15 |
| LjL | not sure if that's going to be translated intelligibly | 04:15 |
| LjL | yeah, intelligible enough | 04:15 |
| metreo | that's a good one I've never heard it before | 04:16 |
| metreo | %tr <it devi pensare come un ladro per catturare un ladro | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | metreo, Italian to English: you have to think like a thief to catch a thief (MyMemory, Google) — You have to think like a thief to capture a thief (Apertium) | 04:18 |
| metreo | %tr < it It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | metreo, English to English: it It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It (Google) | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +17709 cases (now 305409), +79 deaths (now 10737) since a day ago — US: +5709 cases (now 8.8 million), +43 deaths (now 230068) since 3 hours ago — Netherlands: +915 cases (now 281967), +17 deaths (now 7036) since 11 hours ago — Canada: +3 cases (now 214519), +1 deaths (now 9938) since 4 hours ago | 04:20 |
| metreo | %tr <it È difficile convincere un uomo a capire qualcosa quando il suo stipendio dipende dal fatto che non lo capisca | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | metreo, Italian to English: It's hard to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it (MyMemory) — It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it (Google) — It #be difficult to convince a man to understand #something when his salary #depend of the fact that do not understand it (Apertium) | 04:20 |
| LjL | Belgium seems to be slowing down a bit maybe? i mean, still making record increases but i think it was 17000ish yesterday as well | 04:22 |
| metreo | %tr it < en It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It | 04:22 |
| Brainstorm | metreo, English to English: it < en It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It (Google) | 04:22 |
| metreo | hope it's better in the morning :'( | 04:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Biden tests negative for COVID-19, campaign says (10098 votes) | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-health/biden-tests-negative-for-covid-19-campaign-says-idUSKBN2790NR?il=0 | https://redd.it/jhde4b | 04:30 |
| ryouma | %tr >it quarantine | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma, English to Italian: quarantena (Google) — Quarantena (Wikipedia) | 04:33 |
| ryouma | %tr <it Quarantena | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma, Italian to English: Quarantine (Apertium, MateCat, MateCat, Google, Wikipedia) | 04:33 |
| ryouma | idgi. wfm. | 04:33 |
| ryouma | neat! | 04:33 |
| LjL | ryouma, nobody seems to understand the Brainstorm translation syntax | 04:37 |
| LjL | but it's just like unix redirection! | 04:37 |
| ryouma | i just saw the arrow and reversed it | 04:40 |
| ryouma | perhaps it does not look like an arrow? | 04:40 |
| ryouma | you could do to and from | 04:40 |
| LjL | you can | 04:40 |
| ryouma | lol | 04:41 |
| ryouma | ok | 04:41 |
| LjL | %tr <es >it Estoy traducendo del español al italiano. | 04:41 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Spanish to Italian: Sto traducendo dallo spagnolo all'italiano. (MyMemory, Google) — Sto *traducendo dello spagnolo all'italiano. (Apertium) | 04:41 |
| LjL | %tr <sv >en Vill höra någon svenska idag? | 04:41 |
| ryouma | oh right no i meant you could say %tr from english to italian whatever | 04:41 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Swedish to English: Want to hear any Swedish today? (MyMemory) — Want to hear someone Swedish today? (Google) — Wants HEAR Some Swedish **idag? (Apertium) | 04:41 |
| ryouma | %tr >ja guten tag | 04:42 |
| LjL | ryouma, but those are words that are used in actual sentences to so it would be hard to differentiate | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma, English to Japanese: グーテンタグ (MyMemory) — こんにちは (Google) | 04:42 |
| LjL | ryouma, you need to specify an input language because auto-detection is broken | 04:42 |
| ryouma | it worked :) | 04:42 |
| LjL | %tr <de >ja Guten tag. | 04:42 |
| LjL | well not exactly :P | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, German to Japanese: こんにちは (MateCat) — Good Day (MateCat) — 良い一日。 (Google) | 04:42 |
| LjL | it trans...lierated | 04:42 |
| LjL | there is also a command for transliterating, not sure if it works because i haven't used it in a long time | 04:42 |
| LjL | %tl <en >ja konnitiha | 04:42 |
| ryouma | it translated also | 04:43 |
| LjL | ryouma, right one of them did, but anyway, you see it recognized it as english, so it was just luck | 04:43 |
| ryouma | and the second one wasn't idiomatic i am guessing | 04:43 |
| ryouma | oh | 04:43 |
| ryouma | google translate is truly bad at ja to en | 04:43 |
| ryouma | i am guessing one reason is that ja requires a lot of context | 04:44 |
| LjL | %tr <ja >en エルジェーエルもは日本語でよくない | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Japanese to English: Elgier is not good at Japanese either. (MyMemory) — Eljeel is not good in Japanese (Google) | 04:44 |
| LjL | Elgier | 04:45 |
| ryouma | elgier? | 04:45 |
| LjL | LjL :P | 04:47 |
| ryouma | oh | 04:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Europe, US watch coronavirus case totals grow, debate new restrictions → https://is.gd/6svmlm | 04:49 |
| ryouma | i like the passiveness implied by the title | 04:52 |
| ryouma | but india is going to be bad soon if a previous title was correct | 04:53 |
| ryouma | festivals or something | 04:53 |
| ryouma | what is it called when 1) you are sick and you isolate 2) you are not sick and you isolate 3) you might be sick and you isolate | 04:56 |
| LjL | ryouma: well India is already bad, not so much percentually, but I think it has had a steady exponential growth | 05:04 |
| LjL | I don't think these terms are really standardized | 05:05 |
| ryouma | it's not rocket science though. there are a few concepts and a few terms. and they mix them all up. | 05:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Hydroxychloroquine fails to prevent COVID-19 (82 votes) | https://newsroom.uw.edu/news/hydroxychloroquine-fails-prevent-covid-19 | https://redd.it/jhcbrg | 05:06 |
| ryouma | well it's not exactly the worst mistake in a pandemic and probably does no real harm | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 675: Forget what you've herd about immunity: Daniel Griffin provides a clinical report on COVID-19, then we discuss Bill Foege’s letter to CDC director Robert Redfield, the false promise of herd immunity for COVID-19, secret blueprints for SARS-CoV-2 vaccine trials released, and neuropilin-1 as a possible entry [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LJVxt0 | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +59 cases (now 214578) since an hour ago | 06:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The pandemic has created a second crisis in India — the rise of child trafficking → https://is.gd/kI3BEn | 06:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardy, Italy: +4956 cases (now 148601), +51 deaths (now 17210) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +2170 cases (now 284137), +14 deaths (now 7050) since 2 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1516 cases (now 855526) since 12 hours ago — Canada: +324 cases (now 214902), +7 deaths (now 9945) since 16 minutes ago | 06:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dozens of far-right protesters in Rome clashed with riot police during a demonstration against the curfew early Sunday, as Italy's government prepared to tighten coronavirus restrictions further. Some 200 masked militants belonging to neo-fascist group Forza Nuova hurled projectiles at police → https://is.gd/g0P456 | 07:04 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Single-cell analyses reveal SARS-CoV-2 interference with intrinsic immune response in the human gut by Sergio Triana et al, published on 2020-10-24 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.10.21.348854 [... want %more?] | 07:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 25OCT20 → https://is.gd/QSnFZw | 07:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India records 50,129 new cases in 24 hours → https://is.gd/VmdiOC | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US Election Wrap, October 25: Biden, Trump rally in swing states, paint contrasting picture of pandemic → https://is.gd/cFE2Oi | 08:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Europe becomes second region to cross 250,000 deaths as second COVID wave hits | 24OCT20 → https://is.gd/NjKoav | 08:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Cohort study to evaluate effect of vitamin D, magnesium, and vitamin B12 in combination on severe outcome progression in older patients with coronavirus (COVID-19) (81 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900720303002 | https://redd.it/jhm3zx | 08:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US election: Barack Obama slams Donald Trump over coronavirus → https://is.gd/DRpwfE | 08:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from PubMed: The HOLA COVID-19 Study: An International Effort to Determine How COVID-19 Has Impacted Oncology Practices in Latin America: Countries in Latin America and the Caribbean have become hotspots of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, exacerbating socioeconomic inequalities and overwhelming fragmented health systems. Studies from the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/RH3wSf | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2019 cases (now 8.8 million), +17 deaths (now 230085) since 7 hours ago | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from PubMed: Novel antigenic proteins of Mycoplasma agalactiae as potential vaccine and serodiagnostic candidates: Contagious agalactia (CA) is a serious disease notifiable to the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) causing severe economic losses to sheep and goat producers worldwide. Mycoplasma agalactiae, considered as its main etiological [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LgVHB8 | 12:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Here’s how Reese Witherspoon is spending her time in quarantine → https://is.gd/hE6dQw | 12:43 |
| python444 | what if carrying covid was a criminal offense ? | 13:10 |
| python444 | lifetime imprisonment ? | 13:11 |
| python444 | lifetime working for trump ? | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: DECRETO DEL PRESIDENTE DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI 24 ottobre 2020: Ulteriori disposizioni attuative del decreto-legge 25 marzo 2020, n.19, convertito, con modificazioni, dalla legge 25 maggio 2020, n. 35,recante «Misure urgenti per fronteggiare l'emergenza epidemiologicada COVID-19», e del decreto-legge 16 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/m8rBYQ | 13:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: What does a COVID-ready restaurant look like? → https://is.gd/1lrQlh | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Italy is shutting cinemas, swimming pools and gyms from Monday in a further attempt to curb the rapid rise in coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/zYB8bJ | 13:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Why COVID Outbreaks Could Worsen This Winter: It’s too soon to say whether COVID is seasonal like the flu—but where clusters aren’t under control, infections will continue to swell -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/7gNTwf | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1495 cases (now 8.8 million), +1 deaths (now 230086) since 2 hours ago | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: U.S. reports more than 83,000 coronavirus cases two days in a row as experts warn of difficult winter: The U.S. reported more than 83,700 new Covid-19 cases on Friday, passing the last record seen in mid-July, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. → https://is.gd/bUyTHg | 14:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Members of Mike Pence’s inner circle test positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/NsMGjK | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +7117 cases (now 291254), +4 deaths (now 7046) since 8 hours ago | 14:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - October 25 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/gEpSei | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +27 deaths (now 7073) since an hour ago — US: +3 cases (now 8.8 million) since an hour ago | 15:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada's Atlantic region closed out world to beat COVID-19, and the economy has done OK → https://is.gd/52KUpu | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1935 cases (now 8.8 million), +5 deaths (now 230091) since 51 minutes ago | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Poland's President Tests Positive for Coronavirus → https://is.gd/gUmdtc | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Coronavirus: Here is why the early intervention of testing and diagnosis is important → https://is.gd/m5SWqV | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +21273 cases (now 525782), +128 deaths (now 37338) since 23 hours ago — US: +6225 cases (now 8.8 million), +35 deaths (now 230126) since an hour ago — Canada: +978 cases (now 215880) since 10 hours ago | 17:08 |
| LjL | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.repubblica.it%2Fpolitica%2F2020%2F10%2F25%2Fnews%2Fcoronavirus_nuovo_dpcm_conte_firma_ristoranti_aperti_domenica-271793108%2F | 17:19 |
| LjL | %title | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From translate.google.com: Google Translate | 17:19 |
| LjL | eh | 17:19 |
| LjL | description of new & improved italy emergency law | 17:20 |
| py | o/ | 17:20 |
| LjL | new & improved nickname | 17:23 |
| py4 | are you new and improved too ? | 17:24 |
| LjL | old & unchanging | 17:24 |
| py4 | immutabljl | 17:24 |
| LjL | well, except for getting older | 17:24 |
| py4 | soul is eternal | 17:26 |
| py4 | :cough: | 17:26 |
| jacklsw | python 4 will be another incompatibility with python 3? | 17:27 |
| jacklsw | xD | 17:27 |
| LjL | py4, in secula seculorum amen | 17:27 |
| LjL | https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France;Spain;Italy shows that Italy's doubling time is about to touch France's | 17:27 |
| jacklsw | meanwhile, malaysia gov is trying to declare emergency for rising covid cases | 17:28 |
| jacklsw | emergency didn't get through | 17:28 |
| LjL | "tryint"? | 17:28 |
| LjL | g | 17:28 |
| jacklsw | like a state of emergency to control riots etc | 17:28 |
| py4 | maybe that's a new one for them | 17:28 |
| jacklsw | it's more political motivated than for covid | 17:29 |
| jacklsw | the king foiled the idea | 17:29 |
| jacklsw | ask the politicians to work together to solve the covid case | 17:29 |
| jacklsw | %cases malaysia | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: In Malaysia, there have been 26565 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 229 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 2.0 million tests were performed (1.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Sunday 25 October Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/TtElYu | 17:32 |
| xrogaan | LjL: nice graphs for Belgium: https://belcovid.herokuapp.com/ | 17:40 |
| xrogaan | Schools opens 2 of September, explosion a month later. | 17:41 |
| xrogaan | And who gets sick? The younger folks obviously. | 17:42 |
| LjL | noooo they keep saying in italy it's not the schools | 17:54 |
| LjL | they don't know what about 30% of the cases are from because they can't contact trace anymore | 17:54 |
| LjL | but they know it's definitely not the schools | 17:54 |
| LjL | what does "testing downscaled" mean? they're testing LESS now? | 17:55 |
| LjL | since it's the country with the worst growth in the world, they're testing LESS? | 17:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: US sees record 88,973 Covid-19 infections for second day straight (10205 votes) | https://www.livemint.com/news/world/us-sees-record-88-973-covid-19-infections-for-second-day-straight-11603589386244.html | https://redd.it/jhrol8 | 18:07 |
| xrogaan | In Belgium, non-symptomatic people can't get tested anymore. | 18:16 |
| xrogaan | That is so to not put too much stress on the health care system. | 18:16 |
| xrogaan | That's what downscaled means. | 18:17 |
| chico | So testing is limited to a certain group of people? | 18:17 |
| chico | Heard Belgium was on of the worst countries over in Europe. In covid infection rate. | 18:17 |
| xrogaan | Keep in mind that those tests needs to be done by humans, who are starting to get tired of their own situations. | 18:18 |
| xrogaan | Some are at a breaking point and contemplate quitting their jobs. | 18:18 |
| chico | Makes sense. I guess a lot of people are getting tired of the lockdown which was supposed to flatten the curve. | 18:18 |
| xrogaan | We can't just test everybody if we don't have enough people do run those tests. | 18:19 |
| chico | True, but aren't quick tests coming any soon? | 18:19 |
| xrogaan | Anyhow, to know how a country fare then the infection rate isn't what you're looking for. You need to look at the death statistics and compare it to last year. | 18:20 |
| chico | What are you suggesting? | 18:20 |
| xrogaan | I'd wager that no European country does better than Belgium. Rather, Belgium is the most open about the state of the epidemic. | 18:21 |
| xrogaan | You don't know what you can't see, but death do not lie. | 18:21 |
| chico | Could be true. Are you from Belgium? | 18:21 |
| xrogaan | Yep. | 18:21 |
| chico | That's true. Are there many covid deaths in belgium? | 18:21 |
| chico | I mean, do you personally notice more sick people compared to other years? | 18:22 |
| xrogaan | Average to 35 per day last I've heard, didn't pay close attention (that was a headline). | 18:22 |
| chico | 35 people die every day from Covid 19? Sounds like a lot for such a small country. | 18:22 |
| xrogaan | I mean, people get sick all the time. | 18:22 |
| xrogaan | The country is small, but densely populated. | 18:23 |
| chico | Center of Europe ;) | 18:23 |
| xrogaan | I don't know the numbers, but I could hazard a guess that we have more people than Sweden. | 18:23 |
| chico | I don't really support the draconic lockdown measures most countries have. More people are suffering economical damage than disease infections. | 18:24 |
| chico | Sweden has probably less. They're doing good. Or so I've heard. Yet they support the Great Barrington Declaration principle. | 18:24 |
| xrogaan | Belgium: 30,689 km2; 11 millions people. Sweden: 450,295 km2; 10 millions people. | 18:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Predictors of PTSD, depression and anxiety in UK frontline health and social care workers during COVID-19. (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20216804v1 | https://redd.it/jhrrk3 | 18:26 |
| chico | Sounds like a big difference. You suggest that's the reason for less infections? | 18:26 |
| xrogaan | I mean, look at how it went in New York. This disease thrives when people get together. | 18:27 |
| xrogaan | It remains viable for long period of time on surfaces. | 18:28 |
| xrogaan | It's weakness is U.V. | 18:28 |
| chico | Yes. | 18:28 |
| chico | Winter is coming. Which is a bad sign then? | 18:28 |
| xrogaan | It spreads really fast, thus the more people you have in an area, the faster they get sick. | 18:28 |
| xrogaan | Which is why that anything that is community driven like schools, or theater, or restaurant, are area that will help spread the disease. | 18:30 |
| xrogaan | Especially restaurant, since you have people serving you food. But they serve other individuals too. | 18:30 |
| xrogaan | that website has a graph for mortality too: https://belcovid.herokuapp.com/charts/mortality/average | 18:33 |
| chico | Makes sense. | 18:33 |
| xrogaan | Death is driven by the 85+, which is sad but expected. | 18:33 |
| chico | Few days back I was talking to some individuals about the lockdown. Many of them thought it was a orchestrated plan by some rich group to have total control over the world. I don't believe that. Therefore I'm doing research into both viewpoints. | 18:35 |
| chico | You got any good points to proof that conspiracy wrong? | 18:35 |
| xrogaan | Science? | 18:39 |
| chico | Which researches? I'm having a discussion with someone else about it. | 18:39 |
| chico | Can't really proof my point. I agree that lockdown is taking toll on society. That I agree on but. How to proof the rest= | 18:40 |
| xrogaan | Bats don't get sick. This thing clearly comes from bats, it has a behavior that would make sense in a bat: it hammers the immune system in order get an opportunity to replicate. | 18:41 |
| py4 | what was the theory | 18:41 |
| LjL | Swab that my aunt got privately in Milan because GP wouldn't prescribe it even after a week of fever cost €80. No speculation there at all, no so. Apparently they cost in a range of 60 and 150 across the country | 18:41 |
| py4 | is it that bats immune system is extremely powerful ? | 18:42 |
| py4 | or too close to ours ? | 18:42 |
| xrogaan | There is also an hypothesis that SARS-COV2 has jumped to the human long ago but took time to properly adapt. | 18:42 |
| chico | Didn't doctors agree it couldn't come from bats? I thought the bat theory was debunked already. | 18:42 |
| chico | That last one I thought to be true, xrogaan | 18:42 |
| xrogaan | chico: might want to listen to TWiV: https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/ | 18:43 |
| LjL | Bat immune system apparently manages to keep many viruses at a low level of replication but without removing them entirely. The theory I read was it has to do with flight: it's so stressful to the mammals that many cells die in the process of flying, and stranded DNA and RNA starts circulating, so if they mounted as strong an immune response as other mammal they would have autoimmune issues | 18:43 |
| chico | Since too many cells die off? | 18:44 |
| chico | Compared to the reproduction rate of DNA/RNA? | 18:44 |
| chico | xrogaan: I'll watch it. Thanks. | 18:44 |
| xrogaan | Other interesting resources: https://www.microbe.tv/das-coronavirus/ | 18:48 |
| xrogaan | Retranscriptions from a German podcast | 18:48 |
| chico | I'll check that out too. | 18:49 |
| chico | Imagine Corona was very deathly, then we would almost all be extinct by now. LOL | 18:50 |
| xrogaan | > This episode can be named “Why do we die of coronavirus?” And the main answer to this question is “Because of age”. | 18:50 |
| xrogaan | Issue we'll have won't be death, but people diminished by the disease. | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | Unable to perform like they used to. | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | Can no longer sing, dive, sport, or other. | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | Neurological issues are seen too. | 18:51 |
| chico | Yeah, many things yet unknown. | 18:52 |
| xrogaan | This isn't an unknown. | 18:53 |
| LjL | chico: the bat theory is not at all debunked, in fact there is really not much scientific debate over it because it is widely accepted. Maybe you're confusing it with the "pangolin" theory which concerns the intermediate host that presumably brought it from bats to humans | 18:55 |
| xrogaan | 1 September: « At the moment Germany performs enough tests, but it will be hard to do simultaneously school and airport testing. Labs are now almost overwhelmed. » | 18:55 |
| py4 | you know there's a limit of lethalness | 18:55 |
| py4 | a virus that kills in a second cant spread | 18:56 |
| xrogaan | py4: we seem to be surviving because our immune system is apparently able to react broadly to coronaviruses. | 18:57 |
| py4 | meaning ? | 18:57 |
| xrogaan | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v5.full.pdf | 18:57 |
| py4 | dank u | 18:57 |
| chico | LjL: Probably I did. | 18:57 |
| LjL | 14,9918:44] 99,99 10,99chico:99,99 Since too many cells die off? <- no, because the immune system could recognize the bits of cells and RNA and DNA as foreign organism and go into attack mode and mess up everything. "Autoimmune" refers to immunity that gets unlashed against the organism itself | 18:58 |
| chico | Thanks for explaining. | 18:58 |
| xrogaan | py4: it's in the (latest) episode 58 retranscribed there: https://www.microbe.tv/das-coronavirus/ | 18:58 |
| xrogaan | This thing too: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.15.20188896v1.full.pdf | 19:00 |
| py4 | LjL I don't follow tbh | 19:01 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Melatonin potentials against viral infections including COVID-19: Current evidence and new findings (81 votes) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7405774/ | https://redd.it/jhv9b8 | 19:01 |
| xrogaan | Our immune system is capable to fight off coronaviruses, however as we grow older, the amount of memory T-cell dwindle. | 19:01 |
| py4 | with rna/dna bits floating .. is their immune system 'smarter' to avoid false positives ? | 19:02 |
| xrogaan | «It’s a huge immunological paper, but shortly they showed that a) people who were never exposed to SARS-CoV-2, nevertheless harbor specific memory T-cells against it. These cell have low avidity and react to broad spectrum of targets (they are also slightly cross-reactive to common cold coronaviruses as well as to other unrelated viruses).» | 19:02 |
| xrogaan | « Authors suggest, that these two things could be interconnected and people with a large number of such pre-existing memory T cells (immunologically old) are at greater risk of developing severe COVID-19 than those who have fewer pre-existing memory T cells (immunologically young). » | 19:03 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: I don't think " however as we grow older, the amount of memory T-cell dwindle" is consistent with "people with a large number of such pre-existing memory T cells (immunologically old) are at greater risk of developing severe COVID-19". | 19:28 |
| tinwhiskers | My understanding is that older people have been exposed to a wider range of viruses over their life so have a wider range of existing memory T-cells, and are simply more at risk of any one of those causing antibody dependent enhancement type effects. | 19:32 |
| xrogaan | have you read the whole summary? | 19:35 |
| tinwhiskers | nope | 19:35 |
| xrogaan | please do. | 19:35 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, so they say T-cells increase in old people, right? which is what my first point was pointing out. | 19:41 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't think your comment "however as we grow older, the amount of memory T-cell dwindle" is right. | 19:41 |
| xrogaan | you are correct, my brain misinterpreted. | 19:42 |
| tinwhiskers | my second comment was just saying the same thing the paper is saying in more layman's terms and is what we've been saying since back in Feb | 19:44 |
| LjL | <py4> with rna/dna bits floating .. is their immune system 'smarter' to avoid false positives ? ← my understanding is that they are in a constant state of "sub"-inflammation. it's not smarter in the sense that they can avoid those bits, it does act against those bits, but in humans such an autoimmune reaction would kill us or cause us serious problems. but the flipside of the coin is while their immune system is tuned to keep viruses under check, i | 19:45 |
| LjL | t never *gets rid* of them | 19:45 |
| LjL | but that said, this is my understanding of something i've read which was itself, presumably, a well-grounded theory but not a certainty | 19:45 |
| xrogaan | Well, my brain had a giant fart and made me read something that apparently isn't there. | 19:48 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: sorry about that :-| | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | no worries | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +52010 cases (now 1.1 million), +116 deaths (now 34761) since 22 hours ago — US: +18437 cases (now 8.9 million), +109 deaths (now 230235) since 2 hours ago — United Kingdom: +18274 cases (now 873800) since 13 hours ago — Arizona, US: +1391 cases (now 238163), +5 deaths (now 5874) since 23 hours ago | 19:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Just as a matter of interest I wanted to fact-check my claim of February, but the earliest I can find is: 2020-03-13 21:11:04 <tinwhiskers> so old people, having been exposed to many other coronaviruses, may be having an ADE type effect with covid-19. | 19:57 |
| tinwhiskers | of course it was all speculation back then so it's good to see papers coming out firming that up. | 19:58 |
| xrogaan | Are you a wizard? | 20:08 |
| IndoAnon | hehe | 20:23 |
| Time-Warp | https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/20/10/25/1616233/the-us-health-department-tried-to-offer-early-vaccines-to-shopping-mall-santas | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +13332 cases (now 8.9 million), +85 deaths (now 230320) since an hour ago — Canada: +42 cases (now 216044) since an hour ago | 21:09 |
| cmpx[m] | US will be up 1 million cases in 10 days or less 😢 | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | cmpx[m]: 10 million | 21:23 |
| tinwhiskers | the 1 million marks was reached way back on 28 Apr | 21:24 |
| tinwhiskers | *mark | 21:24 |
| cmpx[m] | Up 1 million in 10 days, hit 8 million on 10/16, will be 9 million today or tomorrow, that's 1 million in 10 days | 21:24 |
| tinwhiskers | ohhh.. I see. wow | 21:25 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, they will reach a total of about 9 million in another 10 days or so (now that I look more closely) | 21:26 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm... the last 10 days have seen 659,000 cases. The "1 million in 10 days" mark is still a wee while away by my estimation. | 21:28 |
| tinwhiskers | no, you're right. my bad. they will likely reach 100,000 cases per day in the next few days so the next 10 days *could* see 1 million. It's not far away anyway. | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/health-news/open-sesame-researchers-discovered-the-second-key-used-by-the-sars-cov-2-virus-to-enter-into-human-cells | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm "old", sorry | 21:33 |
| tinwhiskers | first I've heard of that one DocScrutinizer05. Thanks. Interesting. | 21:34 |
| tinwhiskers | 20 Oct is not very old. | 21:36 |
| tinwhiskers | The paper by the Brits with the same finding was also Oct 20. | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/19/science.abd2985 | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/19/science.abd3072 | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | erm | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | oh yeah, that's right. That's the two papers | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +10170 cases (now 8.9 million), +154 deaths (now 230474) since 36 minutes ago | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: do you want url titles turned on in here? They report to ##coronalinks, but don't report here apparently. | 21:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Mortality among Adults Ages 25-44 in the United States During the COVID-19 Pandemic. (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20217174v1 | https://redd.it/jhrs7e | 21:52 |
| python444 | bbl | 22:00 |
| cmpx[m] | Where does the Updates (with no links) pull the info from? | 22:01 |
| tinwhiskers | they come from offloop.net, which for that purpose mostly uses worldometer.com, but a couple of other sources for US, Italian states and others. | 22:03 |
| cmpx[m] | Ok, worldometer tends to be the most frequently updated, wasn't sure if that was the case, thank you | 22:04 |
| tinwhiskers | it has diverged quite a bit from the Johns Hopkins data now so those can't be mixed reliably any longer. | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, actually the US state data comes from worldometer too, fwiw. | 22:07 |
| cmpx[m] | I thought JHU was not releasing the data realtime, just daily? | 22:08 |
| tinwhiskers | right. So offloop primarily uses JHU data for time series but used to add the bleeding edge numbers from worldometer, however since those have diverged so much it no longer does that. However the channel updates don't use the JHU data since they are only bleeding edge. | 22:09 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, I needn't have mentioned JHU really :-/ | 22:10 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases US | 22:10 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In US, there have been 8.9 million confirmed cases (2.7% of the population) and 230474 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of 10 minutes ago. 132.2 million tests were performed (6.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:10 |
| tinwhiskers | ^ that link is the time series data from JHU | 22:11 |
| tinwhiskers | or optionally covidly if you use the "alternative data source" link. | 22:11 |
| cmpx[m] | Roylab Stats seems to be in sync with worldometer, I just hate that they only have a live video realtime report | 22:13 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, that is annoying. | 22:14 |
| cmpx[m] | It looks like they in fact use worldometer | 22:14 |
| cmpx[m] | Amonst many others | 22:14 |
| cmpx[m] | *amongst | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really old but strangely linked to the above via term "neuro": https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.14.150490v1 | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mere coincidence? | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: >>if you use the "alternative data source" link<< would be nice to have the source explicitly mentioned | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: it would but I don't for copyright reasons :-/ | 23:02 |
| LjL | more like unauthorized scraping reasons, i doubt there is much copyright involved, except if you're in europe they could come up with nonsense about database rights ;( | 23:03 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, something along those lines. | 23:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't want to tempt fate anyway. | 23:04 |
| LjL | <tinwhiskers> LjL: do you want url titles turned on in here? They report to ##coronalinks, but don't report here apparently. ← apparently just about everyone but me does, however i am kind of opposed to automated url titling, when people asked i always told them they can do %title blah blah when posting the url if they feel it's not helpful without a title. but i also think that many times when a url isn't helpful without a title then mayb | 23:04 |
| LjL | e whoever posts it should provide more context instead | 23:04 |
| LjL | that said maybe we should take a poll | 23:04 |
| LjL | where my vote counts for 233 and then the rest | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok. fine by me. | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | I vote for showing titles! | 23:06 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 23:07 |
| ryouma | fwiw i prefer non-shifted things like , instead of % (rsi-related) | 23:25 |
| ryouma | i also like titles but i have not made 233 sock puppets yet | 23:25 |
| LjL | % is the default because in a few channels where Brainstorm has been there are other bots that respond to . or similar | 23:26 |
| LjL | but . may be enabled, i don't remember | 23:26 |
| LjL | .title test | 23:26 |
| LjL | i guess not | 23:26 |
| LjL | but CovBot uses ! and i don't think there's supposed to be . bots in here so i can enable it | 23:26 |
| LjL | strange, it should actually be enabled | 23:28 |
| LjL | %title test | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the command line provided is invalid | 23:28 |
| tinwhiskers | !title | 23:31 |
| tinwhiskers | I guess mine is disabled too | 23:31 |
| tinwhiskers | !title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.14.150490v1 | 23:31 |
| tinwhiskers | mmm | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: oh, weird (C) issues again. gotta like that nonsense | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | copyright is a bitch | 23:46 |
| LjL | oh right i was forgetting already | 23:47 |
| LjL | .title test | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the command line provided is invalid | 23:47 |
| LjL | well good timing for ryouma to get disconnected | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | really old but strangely linked to the above via term "neuro": https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.14.150490v1 context Prozac as virostatic | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | p.s.: the concentration seems well within usual prozac dosage of 20mg per day. 2.5ng/ml is a few nagnitudes below that, given a significant amount of those 20mg is actially bia-available | 23:52 |
| Haley[m] | %cases france | 23:56 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[m]: In France, there have been 1.1 million confirmed cases (1.7% of the population) and 34761 deaths (3.1% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 14.9 million tests were performed (7.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 23:56 |
| Haley[m] | %cases germany | 23:58 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[m]: In Germany, there have been 437647 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 10138 deaths (2.3% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 20.4 million tests were performed (2.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 23:58 |
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