| Brainstorm | New from NPR: More Kids Are Getting COVID-19, Kentucky Pediatrician Says: Elizabeth Hawse, a pediatrician in Lexington, Ky., says she's seen a big increase in the number of children testing positive for the coronavirus. The governor has shut schools to in-person classes. → https://is.gd/WmMUxB | 00:01 |
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| LjL | some discussion of the AZ results here https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jzi6py/oxfordaz_vaccine_efficacy_data/ | 00:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: November 23, 2020 → https://is.gd/Q1DUX8 | 00:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: Health workers at risk, older adults and residents of long-term care facilities to be prioritized for COVID-19 vaccination: Select categories of health workers, older adults and residents of long-term care facilities should be prioritized for access to COVID-19 vaccines in the context of limited supply. This was recommended by [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ZuLFQc | 00:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: DECRETO-LEGGE 23 novembre 2020, n.154: Misure finanziarie urgenti connesse all'emergenza epidemiologica daCOVID-19. (20G00175) → https://is.gd/TuIUnX | 00:38 |
| LjL | %title https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-administration-officially-authorizes-biden-transition-n1248726 | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nbcnews.com: Trump administration officially authorizes Biden transition | 00:58 |
| de-facto | finally so there is hope on 20th of Jan | 01:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Wyoming, US: +1262 cases (now 29431), +26 deaths (now 202) since a day ago | 01:05 |
| de-facto | US got 4.8M active cases thats 1.4% of population currently not recovered yet | 01:14 |
| de-facto | %cases USA | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In US, there have been 12.8 million confirmed cases (3.9% of the population) and 263602 deaths (2.1% of cases) as of 11 minutes ago. 180.7 million tests were performed (7.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:14 |
| de-facto | so 1 in 4 cases of all times in US is active right now | 01:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | test | 01:19 |
| LjL | sorry for the noise but i'm having a report the room is not accessible on Matrix | 01:20 |
| de-facto | %title https://covid19.healthdata.org/ according to their model it would be additional 150k fatalities until Jan 20th in USA | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From covid19.healthdata.org: COVID-19 | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Costa Rica: +2877 cases (now 132295), +33 deaths (now 1641) since 3 days ago | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: ‘Essential workers’ likely to get earlier access to Covid-19 vaccine: Essential workers are likely to move ahead of adults 65 and older and people with high-risk medical conditions when the Centers for Disease Control signs off on Covid-19 vaccine priority… → https://is.gd/EbCD0X | 01:39 |
| LjL-Matrix | pwr22 and ubLIX: it appears that something mysterious is going on with this room and people's ability to join it (I got one report in PM and then verified I couldn't reliably join it myself, see the attempts above from :outcasts.win), so leave and rejoin at your own risk — but if you do want to risk it, do it, because I need to figure out what's going on :P | 01:50 |
| ubLIX[m] | LjL: half-baked client i'm using can barely stay connected so doubtful any diagnostic value to my cycling | 01:55 |
| ubLIX[m] | still.. | 01:55 |
| ubLIX[m] | shrug cycled just fine | 01:56 |
| pwr22 | Will give it a shot tomorrow myself | 01:57 |
| de-facto[m] | vector, riot, element, ... | 01:58 |
| ubLIX[m] | unless you meant.. LEAVE leave | 01:59 |
| LjL-Matrix | ubLIX: I did mean leave as in leave the room... you didn't leave | 02:00 |
| ubLIX[m] | haha | 02:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | AKA /part /join | 02:00 |
| LjL | de-facto[m], they sure like their generic names | 02:01 |
| LjL | also hi, didn't realize you existed | 02:01 |
| de-facto[m] | google too | 02:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | let's have Covid Plus so we can quickly get rid of it | 02:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | I mean Covid+ | 02:01 |
| ubLIX[m] | so.. it's been a while since i join a matrix room. i can't even remember how to do it from weechat | 02:02 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], i think maybe it's just matrix.org being slow and terrible as it sometimes is | 02:02 |
| LjL | because i am seeing your message... on IRC | 02:02 |
| LjL | but i am not seeing it on the Matrix side | 02:02 |
| LjL | so uhm | 02:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | (Well, I see it now) | 02:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | (Also I have no idea why I use capitals while I'm typing here but not while I'm typing there, strange instinctual habits) | 02:03 |
| LjL | LjL-Matrix, you're crazy, take a pill | 02:03 |
| ubLIX[m] | how do you spell ##covid-19 in matrix? | 02:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | ubLIX: don't do it :P but #covid-19:matrix.org (or a number of other aliases I'm squatting on *cough*) | 02:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | It should also have an alias on my own homeserver but I'm not actually sure it does so let's forget about that | 02:05 |
| ubLIX[m] | >.< | 02:06 |
| LjL | goodbye forever | 02:07 |
| ubLIX | \o/ | 02:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | ubLIX: are you actually joined or is your client spinning endlessly? | 02:07 |
| ubLIX[m] | seems fine | 02:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Look, you've started a whole wave of "daring leaving"! | 02:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | It all kinda feels snappier than before tbh | 02:08 |
| de-facto[m] | why are there 410 on Matrix but only 262 on IRC? | 02:09 |
| de-facto[m] | btw parting and joining seems to work just fine from Element | 02:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: because people who don't type anything for a while get booted from IRC at some point | 02:09 |
| de-facto[m] | oh i see | 02:09 |
| LjL-Matrix | Oh, and a worse reason is that some people who were on IRC actually never disappear from the Matrix side ;( | 02:10 |
| LjL-Matrix | The bridge is honestly a bit of a disaster in various ways | 02:10 |
| de-facto[m] | well yet its pretty awesome it bridges to freenode | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine shots won't be 'a walk in the park' → https://is.gd/hRkahV | 02:15 |
| LjL-Matrix | Meh we don't have a vaccine that can actually be given to people who are not in a trial yet. Why depress everyone with side effects that, while kinda nasty, aren't generally serious? | 02:16 |
| LjL-Matrix | I mean, sure, people should be told that at some point when vaccines are available. | 02:16 |
| de-facto | i would take some temporary side effects anytime in exchange for immunity against this nasty virus | 02:17 |
| LjL-Matrix | That article said the agreed-upon prices in the US for one vaccine does are $4 for AZ, $20 for Pfizer and $15 for Moderna | 02:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | Those are figures I hadn't seen before, they are definitely not negligible differences | 02:18 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: according to the article doctors are worried that patients may not come back for the booster shot | 02:18 |
| de-facto | that would be astronomically stupid if the were given the opportunity to gain immunity without the risk of fatal outcome | 02:19 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: and your thesis is that most people aren't astronomically stupid? :P | 02:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | “These are immune responses,” said Stinchfield, a past voting member of the committee. “And so if you feel something after vaccination, you should expect to feel that. When you do, it’s normal to have some arm soreness or fatigue, some body aches and maybe even a fever. It sounds like in some of these trials, maybe even having to stay home from work.” | 02:20 |
| LjL-Matrix | They say they should be looked at as "response" and not "adverse reaction" so that patients see them as a positive thing i.e. that you're responding to the vaccine | 02:21 |
| de-facto | well i had some side effects from other vaccinations, so hey i know they kinda worked provoking an immune response | 02:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | I guess that could be one way to make patients see them in a better light, although having the worst migraine ever, which sounds like what some of the participants got among other things, I'm pretty sure that astronomically stupid or not, some people will shy away from that | 02:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: I get the general impression that these will be a fair amount stronger than other vaccinations we generally get | 02:22 |
| jacklsw | why does it seem like multiple LjL entities talking here | 02:22 |
| jacklsw | xD | 02:22 |
| de-facto | actually i would be worried if *no* side effects appeared at all | 02:22 |
| LjL-Matrix | jacklsw: because | 02:22 |
| LjL | that is | 02:22 |
| de-facto[m] | redundancy always is a good thing :) | 02:23 |
| LjL-Outcasts | the case | 02:23 |
| LjL | well, and the third LjL is kinda dead, but the sentence ended with "the case" | 02:23 |
| LjL | oh here it is | 02:23 |
| LjL | but really, i do need to be here from both IRC and Matrix because while op action *sort of* transfer from one to the other, they... don't really. not all of them, not all in expected ways | 02:24 |
| LjL | do you think i should make a short table in the links list with the main "features" of the vaccines that have efficacy data? (so three at the moment) or is it all covered by covidvax and there is no point? i was thinking efficacy percentage, price per dose, required storing temperature | 02:29 |
| de-facto | %title https://dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr/suivi-indicateurs?location=FRA | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From dashboard.covid19.data.gouv.fr: etalab-covid19-dashboard Suivi de l’épidémie de COVID-19 en France | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 'Close to 1,000' Cleveland Clinic caregivers infected with Covid-19, says hospital official: The Cleveland Clinic’s Chief Caregiver Officer urged her community to follow social distancing and mask guidelines as Covid-19 grips caregivers in her hospital. → https://is.gd/MD3taV | 02:39 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03326-w | 02:43 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Why Oxford’s positive COVID vaccine results are puzzling scientists | 02:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: You can get arrested for not wearing a face mask in Boise, Idaho (10068 votes) | https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2020/11/22/21583217/idaho-coronavirus-boise-face-mask-mandate?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=deseretnews&utm_campaign=facebookpage&fbclid=IwAR32yOGQD9PNv_7KOt6OTxjeIgNxhPW1-97PzBAtNOOTrWUX6InK70Bm4vM | https://redd.it/jzowlc | 02:44 |
| LjL | de-facto, wow, they very conveniently almost touched 100% ICU occupation without actually reaching it! | 02:48 |
| LjL | i mean, it *could* be very good timing of the lockdown | 02:49 |
| de-facto | well it looks like they barely made the turn down in time | 02:49 |
| de-facto | so i would not call it good timing if they risked that for unknown dynamics | 02:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine: MHRA statement confirming data received (80 votes) | https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine-mhra-statement-confirming-data-received | https://redd.it/jzj9d6 | 02:50 |
| de-facto | luckily they did made that turn though | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +5592 cases (now 2.2 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +3981 cases (now 491064), +32 deaths (now 8956) since 23 hours ago | 02:50 |
| LjL | de-facto, it's incredibly though how France and Spain (but especially France) abated their case numbers. do you remember they reached like 85k a few days ago? Italy grew later and slower, but now we're also finding it harder to push the numbers back down | 02:51 |
| LjL | incredible* | 02:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add French government dashboard → https://is.gd/9Si8QM | 02:52 |
| de-facto | yeah i think they are just ahead | 02:52 |
| de-facto | back then all of Europe was in dark red with a division in the middle by Italy and Germany | 02:53 |
| de-facto | now its the other way around, they are already on decline while Italy and Germany are still fighting for that | 02:54 |
| LjL | but i hope we never reach 85k a day :P | 02:55 |
| LjL | it makes sense that they'd control it sooner if they are ahead - *provided* they also reach similar numbers | 02:56 |
| LjL | but instead they reached a much, much higher peak | 02:56 |
| LjL | and now they're down to a fraction of that | 02:56 |
| de-facto | yeah they peaked on average at 50k daily new or such | 02:57 |
| de-facto | so Italy peak is around 35k then? | 02:59 |
| LjL | we touched more than that, but yeah | 03:00 |
| de-facto | on average i mean | 03:00 |
| LjL | well how do you take the average of a peak :P | 03:01 |
| de-facto | the curve looks quite similar to the German one oscillating around R~1 | 03:01 |
| de-facto | i mean the weekly rolling average | 03:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +1 cases (now 2031) since a day ago | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: How will I get a coronavirus vaccine?: Several vaccines are showing promise and one is already being reviewed by the UK regulator. → https://is.gd/VYjcP8 | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +50 deaths (now 11524) since 19 hours ago | 03:22 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Myocardial Injury in Severe COVID-19 Compared to Non-COVID Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (81 votes) | https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.120.050543 | https://redd.it/jzqhd1 | 03:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Butantan vaccine reaches the final stage (80 votes) | https://butantan.gov.br/noticias/vacina-do-butantan-chega-a-fase-final | https://redd.it/jzqzdl | 03:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Ghislaine Maxwell in jail quarantine after possible coronavirus exposure → https://is.gd/lATxzs | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Heat-trapping gas levels reach a new record high, despite lockdowns → https://is.gd/jag5jt | 04:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1123 cases (now 559902), +137 deaths (now 15755) since a day ago | 04:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ Open: Retrospective cohort study of admission timing and mortality following COVID-19 infection in England: Objectives We investigated whether the timing of hospital admission is associated with the risk of mortality for patients with COVID-19 in England, and the factors associated with a longer interval between symptom onset and hospital [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/XaNJiU | 04:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nunavut, Canada: +127 cases (now 128) since 4 months ago | 05:08 |
| de-facto | %cases Germany | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Germany, there have been 946648 confirmed cases (1.1% of the population) and 14583 deaths (1.5% of cases) as of 6 hours ago. 26.5 million tests were performed (3.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 05:11 |
| de-facto | RKI Germany: Infections +13554 (942687 total), Fatalities +249 (14361 total), COVID-19 in ICU 3744 with 2160 on ventilator. | 05:11 |
| joerg | DUH! Trump orders to support Biden! | 05:38 |
| gigasu_shida | how's your province hanging ljl ? | 05:38 |
| gigasu_shida | how's Lombardia hanging? | 05:39 |
| metreo | .cases canada | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: In Canada, there have been 337555 confirmed cases (0.9% of the population) and 11524 deaths (3.4% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 10.9 million tests were performed (3.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Qantas will ban travellers who don't have the COVID vaccine — can other businesses follow suit? → https://is.gd/YTtsKB | 06:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Five effective ways cycling can help you stay healthy amid COVID-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/Me6UKE | 06:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for British Columbia, Canada: +1933 cases (now 27407), +17 deaths (now 348) since 3 days ago — Manitoba, Canada: +543 cases (now 14087), +7 deaths (now 236) since a day ago — Sudan: +379 cases (now 16431), +5 deaths (now 1202) since a day ago — Yukon, Canada: +6 cases (now 38) since a day ago | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +188283 cases (now 12.8 million) since a day ago | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia airline boss wants vaccine passport for travelers → https://is.gd/bxCjeG | 07:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saint Petersburg, Russia: +2926 cases (now 100864), +20 deaths (now 4973) since 23 hours ago — Moscow Oblast, Russia: +971 cases (now 103773), +20 deaths (now 1922) since 23 hours ago — Zhytomyr Oblast, Ukraine: +812 cases (now 26966), +11 deaths (now 449) since 23 hours ago — Islamabad, Pakistan: +537 cases (now 27555), +6 deaths (now 285) since 23 hours ago | 08:08 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Functional SARS-CoV-2-specific immune memory persists after mild COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31565-8 | https://redd.it/jzr69q | 08:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: England Cuts Quarantine Time For Travelers With Negative COVID-19 Test: Starting next month, some travelers going to England could cut their 14-day mandatory quarantine down to five days if a COVID-19 test comes up negative. → https://is.gd/79i0mu | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus: UK to end nationwide lockdown, go back to tiered system → https://is.gd/bT9uWt | 08:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: England arrivals to be able to cut quarantine with private test → https://is.gd/ORUzS4 | 09:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: New therapy for flu may help in fight against COVID-19: A new therapy for influenza virus infections that may also prove effective against many other pathogenic virus infections, including HIV and COVID-19, has been developed by Purdue University scientists. → https://is.gd/OIhDvA | 10:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: England to cut quarantine period for arrivals from abroad: Travellers arriving in England from abroad face a shorter spell in quarantine from mid-December if they test negative for coronavirus five days after their arrival, the UK government announced Tuesday. → https://is.gd/5NLrh4 | 10:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Cohort study to evaluate the effect of vitamin D, magnesium, and vitamin B12 in combination on progression to severe outcomes in older patients with coronavirus (COVID-19) (80 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0899900720303002?via%3Dihub | https://redd.it/jzxlis | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Are dining tents a safe way to eat out during the pandemic? → https://is.gd/XGTy0v | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +14550 cases (now 947714), +262 deaths (now 14613) since 21 hours ago | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: OSHA’s ‘absurd reinterpretation’ of a regulation regarding workers and Covid-19: Reporting a worker's hospitalization within 24 hours after falling off a roof makes perfect sense. But it doesn't makes sense for Covid-19, since it is generally impossible to identify the… → https://is.gd/cBJ2bs | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Cocoa flavanols boost brain oxygenation, cognition in healthy adults: The brains of healthy adults recovered faster from a mild vascular challenge and performed better on complex tests if the participants consumed cocoa flavanols beforehand, researchers report in the journal Scientific Reports. In the study, 14 of 18 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Z6FP6G | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +32733 cases (now 909066), +540 deaths (now 14314) since a day ago | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK cuts its quarantine policy to five days — but there’s a catch: Travellers arriving in the UK will be able to cut their self-isolation period from 14 to 5 days starting next month if they test negative for the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ECjM4o | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +188704 cases (now 12.8 million), +990 deaths (now 263701) since 22 hours ago | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Remdesivir: a pendulum in a pandemic: Covid-19 has claimed over a million lives globally and devastated healthcare systems, economies, and societal welfare. Determining effective, safe, and scalable prevention and treatment measures is... → https://is.gd/4B74AW | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Finnish capital to shut high schools, ban public events: Finland's capital will introduce tough new coronavirus restrictions, the city's mayor said on Tuesday, after a sharp uptick in coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/sgWEBm | 11:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +13721 cases (now 880542), +483 deaths (now 45738) since a day ago — Malaysia: +2188 cases (now 58847), +4 deaths (now 341) since a day ago | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK cuts its quarantine policy to five days — but there’s a catch: Travellers arriving in the UK will be able to cut their self-isolation period from 14 to 5 days starting next month if they test negative for the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ECjM4o | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +4241 cases (now 304593), +141 deaths (now 4241) since 23 hours ago | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Latvia: +457 cases (now 13693), +13 deaths (now 175) since a day ago | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Palestine: +1811 cases (now 75007), +11 deaths (now 656) since 23 hours ago | 12:51 |
| joerg | moin | 12:51 |
| joerg | >>Are dining tents a safe way to eat out during the pandemic? ,, let,s guess ;-P | 12:51 |
| joerg | [virus] >> eeew, this room has no brick walls. I'll stay in the nose here where it's warm and comfortable<< | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Most adults over 50 say they'll get vaccinated against COVID-19, but many want to wait: Once enough people receive effective vaccines against the novel coronavirus, experts say, the end of the pandemic may be in sight. But a new poll of older adults—one of the highest-priority groups for vaccination—suggests an uphill climb [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/otYc3g | 12:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK cuts its quarantine policy to five days — but there’s a catch: Travellers arriving in the UK will be able to cut their self-isolation period from 14 to 5 days starting next month if they test negative for the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ECjM4o | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus cases detected in farmed mink in Poland: Cases of novel coronavirus have been found in mink farms in Poland for the first time, scientists said on Tuesday, following an outbreak in Denmark that led to a mass cull. → https://is.gd/EpvSig | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK cuts its quarantine policy to five days — but there’s a catch: Travellers arriving in the UK will be able to cut their self-isolation period from 14 to 5 days starting next month if they test negative for the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ECjM4o | 13:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +13767 cases (now 949123), +275 deaths (now 14641) since 23 hours ago | 13:51 |
| kreyren | %cases USA | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | kreyren: In US, there have been 12.8 million confirmed cases (3.9% of the population) and 263701 deaths (2.1% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 182.4 million tests were performed (7.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Can transplant patients have the Covid vaccine? And other questions → https://is.gd/ecVXna | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +189351 cases (now 12.8 million), +1072 deaths (now 263799) since 22 hours ago | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Researchers have developed an app against needle fear: People in the Netherlands will soon have the opportunity to receive vaccination against COVID-19. However, an estimated 35% of all people suffer from needle fear. Elisabeth Huis in 't Veld of the Tilburg School of Humanities and Digital Sciences has developed a game app [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wKgYFj | 14:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Second interim analysis of clinical trial data showed a 91.4% efficacy for the Sputnik V vaccine on day 28 after the first dose; vaccine efficacy is over 95% 42 days after the first dose (82 votes) | https://sputnikvaccine.com/newsroom/pressreleases/second-interim-analysis-of-clinical-trial-data-showed-a-91-4-efficacy-for-the-sputnik-v-vaccine-on-d/ | https://redd.it/k02smf | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sweden: +17265 cases (now 225560), +94 deaths (now 6500) since 4 days ago | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: AstraZeneca's results signal more good vaccine news—but efficacy is only the beginning of the story: AstraZeneca has become the latest pharmaceutical company to reveal promising results in clinical trials, for its viral vector vaccine developed with the University of Oxford. → https://is.gd/8YkmvB | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: EU announces latest vaccine contract with Moderna: The EU said Tuesday it would sign a sixth contract for an upcoming coronavirus vaccine, this time for up to 160 million doses of a jab developed by US firm Moderna. → https://is.gd/3qH0tY | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +3926 cases (now 493744), +90 deaths (now 9035) since a day ago — Switzerland: +55 deaths (now 4277) since 15 hours ago | 14:37 |
| rpifan | but this is only for old ppl atm right? | 14:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Priority will be given to front line workers and vulnerable people and at risk essential workers initially, if that's what you mean. | 14:48 |
| tinwhiskers | I imagine of you have enough money you might swing a dose too. | 14:48 |
| rpifan | i want this prolong until october of next year | 14:49 |
| rpifan | so the slower we roll out the better | 14:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Why some people find it easier to stick to new habits they formed during lockdown: Periods of lockdown represent a massive disruption to people's daily routines, but they also offer an opportunity to establish new habits. → https://is.gd/iRgrNb | 14:49 |
| tinwhiskers | Why do you want to prolong it? | 14:49 |
| rpifan | a huge money savings | 14:49 |
| tinwhiskers | For you personally? | 14:50 |
| rpifan | for me sure but also its good for the environment | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Azerbaijan: +3646 cases (now 98927), +34 deaths (now 1194) since a day ago | 14:51 |
| tinwhiskers | smh | 14:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Well October is probably not far off the mark anyway so you'll be about right. | 14:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Vaccines will be fairly widely deployed by then but we probably won't get *complete* rollout until into early into the following year. | 14:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Children may transmit coronavirus at the same rate as adults: What we know about school and COVID-19: The role children, and consequently schools, play in the COVID-19 pandemic has been hard to work out, but that puzzle is now finally starting to be solved. → https://is.gd/yqaKvs | 15:02 |
| rpifan | lets hope | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Psychology & Psychiatry: COVID has presented unique challenges for people with eating disorders. They'll need support beyond the pandemic → https://is.gd/Efm7ch | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Serbia: +6842 cases (now 133029), +37 deaths (now 1274) since a day ago | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Why nursing home aides exposed to COVID-19 aren't taking sick leave: The COVID-19 pandemic has devastated America's nursing homes, but the reasons aren't as simple as people might think. → https://is.gd/FULwHp | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: World ramps up COVID-19 vaccine preparations: Hopes over COVID-19 vaccines have given a boost to virus-weary citizens across the globe in recent days, but the disease remains rampant and world leaders are urging people to be patient. → https://is.gd/vNBT9R | 15:40 |
| rpifan | i dont understand | 15:43 |
| rpifan | what ppl want ot go back too | 15:43 |
| blkshp | normal | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Lockdown has been hard on teenagers, but they have shown remarkable adaptation: The COVID-19 lockdown upturned the lives of teenagers at a time when they are usually becoming more independent and taking steps toward their future. Instead, they were confined to their homes, exams were canceled, and their next steps looked [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Kmtyxs | 15:53 |
| rpifan | this concept of normalcy is stupid | 15:55 |
| rpifan | if you studied history | 15:55 |
| rpifan | you'd see this hapepend after WW@ | 15:55 |
| rpifan | its a typical idea of that things were better before when they really werent | 15:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: AI detects COVID-19 on chest X-rays with accuracy and speed: Northwestern University researchers have developed a new artificial intelligence (A.I.) platform that detects COVID-19 by analyzing X-ray images of the lungs. → https://is.gd/qAJQPK | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: The next vaccine breakthrough: Health experts identify ways to help people trust a coronavirus vaccine: The pharmaceutical companies Pfizer and BioNtech announced Nov. 20, 2020, that they will seek emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration for a vaccine to prevent COVID-19. On Nov. 16, Moderna announced [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Z8e0Ey | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Sports medicine & Kinesiology: These at-home exercises can help older people boost their immune system and overall health in the age of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/aK3VGI | 16:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Areas where the next pandemic could emerge are revealed: An international team of human- and animal-health experts has incorporated environmental, social and economic considerations—including air transit centrality—to identify key areas at risk of leading to the next pandemic. → https://is.gd/7t2dQh | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: England arrivals to be able to cut quarantine with private test → https://is.gd/ORUzS4 | 16:56 |
| Jigsy | For some reason, my Mom and Aunt have got it into their heads that the pandemic is over and we're back to normal next week... | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Effectiveness of Pulmonary Rehabilitation Program in Patients With SARS-CoV-2 Pneumonia → https://is.gd/yxzw1a | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +11299 cases (now 1.5 million), +608 deaths (now 55838) since 23 hours ago | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +23227 cases (now 1.5 million), +853 deaths (now 51306) since a day ago | 17:37 |
| aggi | another political implication in Europe is the EU budget negotation, which tied the reported cases and supposed severity to 'corona emergency aids' | 17:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turkey: +7381 cases (now 460916), +161 deaths (now 12672) since 23 hours ago — Algeria: +1133 cases (now 77000), +15 deaths (now 2309) since a day ago | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): BCG to Reduce Absenteeism Among Health Care Workers During the COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/BUIA8e | 17:59 |
| Linuxoid85 | Hello all! Привет всем! | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, US: +4544 cases (now 306868), +51 deaths (now 6515) since a day ago | 18:05 |
| LjL | aggi, i can see how that's a problem, but on the other hand it's hard NOT to tie it to those things... what do you do, just give aid proportional to the population, even if some country has barely had any cases while another has lost 30% of its GDP in the process? | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Clinical and Immunological Evolution of Covid-19 Occurring in a Context of Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma → https://is.gd/rdmasi | 18:11 |
| LjL | my aunt's *third* PCR just came back with "sample cannot be evaluated, low cellularity" | 18:19 |
| LjL | *groan* whatever that means | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +73 deaths (now 4295) since 18 hours ago | 18:23 |
| aggi | LjL, in Germany a 'social security' system exists and corona doesn't justify any special governmental spendings at all | 18:27 |
| LjL | good, then let's take Germany out, i'll be happy to get Germany's portion as well | 18:28 |
| LjL | (have you even looked at the GDP loss from COVID?) | 18:29 |
| kevin-oculus | whats whith germany | 18:30 |
| aggi | i am not sure yet annual GDP reports are available, and in total the crisis (sidelined by politically motivated propaganda) was considered the most severe (before the cv19 campaign began already) | 18:38 |
| aggi | other than that 'youth unemployment' would be the data to look at, not GDP | 18:39 |
| LjL | aggi, why don't quarterly GDP reports fit the bill? | 18:42 |
| LjL | also what about shops and such that had to close? will all those people just easily be handled by the existing social security system? | 18:43 |
| aggi | yes, it should have been, since this was the intention of this 'social security' system | 18:44 |
| aggi | was. ironically, exactlhy when those particular interests groups who had 'benefit' from this 'social security' the 'corona emergency aid' was introduced | 18:44 |
| LjL | the intention of the social security system was to handle situations such as a pandemic, not merely provide social security in normal situations to those in need? | 18:44 |
| LjL | i don't understand the irony | 18:45 |
| aggi | the social security system was designed to support anyone who required help, and for such help rules existed | 18:45 |
| aggi | and the irony is this, those who had introduced the rules and who would 'benefit' now for themselves had altered the rules | 18:46 |
| LjL | they altered the rules to NOT benefit? | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study shows protective role sex steroids play in COVID-19: A new paper from a UIC researcher shows evidence that suggests sex steroids may play a role in protecting against COVID-19 symptoms. → https://is.gd/ZsGWtr | 18:49 |
| cloud69 | aggi: That makes no sense | 18:50 |
| aggi | i am saying millions of people who couldn't have imagined to 'benefit' would have had enjoyed the 'generous' social security, henceforth 'corona emergency aid' was introduced and almost all relevant social security legislation underminded to guarantee those received support who had required it | 18:50 |
| cloud69 | aggi: Move to Norway | 18:51 |
| cloud69 | We don't give a F about EU | 18:51 |
| cloud69 | or US | 18:51 |
| LjL | sure, until you run out of oil money | 18:52 |
| cloud69 | LjL: Until we run out of being the pinnacle of white and Western Civilization | 18:52 |
| cloud69 | Of having more Norwegians living in the U.S. than in Norway | 18:53 |
| cloud69 | hehe | 18:54 |
| cloud69 | those eyebrows are right my man! | 18:54 |
| cloud69 | we was just | 18:55 |
| cloud69 | on this other channel Bastian's Happy Flight - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCRlgxoTsQs | 18:55 |
| cloud69 | sorry bbl | 18:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Narcissists love being pandemic 'essential workers': There's one group of essential workers who especially enjoy being called a "hero" during the COVID-19 pandemic: narcissists. → https://is.gd/Royo2R | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: France to ease lockdown as world ramps up vaccine preparations: France on Tuesday was set to become the latest country to ease coronavirus restrictions in the run-up to Christmas, as Russia joined in a flurry of encouraging announcements about possible vaccines. → https://is.gd/HydQnr | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: How language barriers can add anguish and complicate care for COVID-19 patients who don't speak English → https://is.gd/6rleVb | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: You should probably replace some of your fabric face masks: If your masks are beginning to feel as old as this pandemic, it's probably time to get yourself some new ones. → https://is.gd/al4EES | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: American Medical Association, the nation's largest group of doctors, deems racism a 'public health threat': As the coronavirus pandemic continues to threaten hard-hit minority communities, the nation's largest association of doctors has passed a policy that recognizes racism as a public health threat. → https://is.gd/ny8ZPH | 19:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Nearly 300 Wisconsin nursing home residents died from COVID-19 in four weeks, 10 times more than the month before (10082 votes) | https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/11/24/300-wisconsin-nursing-home-residents-died-covid-19-4-weeks/6343140002/ | https://redd.it/k04x7i | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nevada, US: +2853 cases (now 139080), +24 deaths (now 2047) since 23 hours ago | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Watch live: Pentagon officials hold Covid briefing as military struggles to contain outbreaks → https://is.gd/Wh2jYC | 20:14 |
| aggi | in repsonse to "racism a 'public health threat'": average life expectency of a russian male is 65 years or less, an afro-american male's is 72 years on average | 20:33 |
| LjL | aggi, uhm, the *American* Medical Association would obviously make comparison among *Americans*. do they probably think that "being in a completely different place in the world" is also a public health issue? hell yeah, just look at people in Africa. just, it's not a health issue that's in *their* purview. you'd expect the WHO to talk about that. | 20:36 |
| pwr22 | LjL: did we ever get to the bottom of people's issues joining the matrix room? | 20:42 |
| pwr22 | Hmm, looks like things might be going in the right direction here in the UK which is a relief | 20:43 |
| LjL | pwr22, a couple of people tried leaving and rejoining and it worked fine for them. earlier, i had problems like the person who reported it, but 1) i was using a user on my own slow homeserver, as i didn't dare to leave with my matrix.org account in case it wouldn't let me rejoin and 2) it kinda seemed like a temporary overload issue with matrix.org | 20:43 |
| LjL | pwr22, if you want, try leaving and rejoining | 20:43 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "pwr22, a couple of people tried "> If they're on another homeserver then it shouldn't really need to involve matrix.org to join the room unless they're using the matrix.org alias and it's literally failing to look that up? | 20:45 |
| LjL | pwr22, right, so i was told on #matrix:matrix.org to have them try to join using another alias, but my homeserver was in turn being slow and quirky so i couldn't meaningfully try with its alias. | 20:45 |
| pwr22 | Works fine for me | 20:45 |
| LjL | pwr22, also i told the person who reported this initially about my attempts and eventually told them to just try again, but i haven't gotten a reply, so i dunno | 20:46 |
| pwr22 | My home server should be reasonably fast these days because it's running on an old laptop of mine with nvme disk | 20:47 |
| pwr22 | so you can always try the #covid-19:shortestpath.dev alias | 20:47 |
| pwr22 | I think that's still hanging around | 20:47 |
| aggi | LjL: I had chosen the russian male population because 1) it is significant in size, and 2) it compared industrialized countries with each other with distinct ethnic differences who 3) publish somewhat reliable data and 4) it appropriately confronts the propagandistic bias and 5) cv19 was a global pandemic not an exclusively american one | 20:50 |
| LjL | aggi, i still don't understand what point you're trying to make except "it may be true that non-white Americans live less long than white Americans, but hey there's other places, like Russia, where white people live even less". which is not much of a point. | 20:51 |
| tinwhiskers | as usual, just saying stuff that makes no sense | 20:53 |
| snake | tinwhiskers, ya well at least he can count? | 20:54 |
| snake | :| | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. to test run Covid vaccine distribution networks as it awaits FDA clearance in 'just a few weeks' → https://is.gd/Xt1gGh | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Young people's anxiety levels doubled during first COVID-19 lockdown, says study: The number of young people with anxiety doubled from 13 percent to 24 percent, during the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic and lockdown 1, according to new research from the University of Bristol. The study, using Bristol's Children of the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/p29Ayu | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +7221 cases (now 1.6 million), +537 deaths (now 43668) since a day ago | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Russian virus vaccine to cost less than $10 per dose abroad: Russia released new results Tuesday claiming its experimental COVID-19 vaccine was highly effective, and promised it would cost less on international markets than vaccines by some of its Western competitors. → https://is.gd/gC802j | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: The pre-activated immune response induced by LPS protects host from leptospirosis: by Xi Chen, Xufeng Xie, Dianjun Wu, Shilei Zhang, Wenlong Zhang, Yongguo Cao Leptospirosis is an important global zoonosis caused by pathogenic Leptospira . It is estimated that more than 1 million people are infected by Leptospira each year, and the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/qR4upN | 22:07 |
| de-facto | Question: Is there a difference to be expected for vaccination immunogenicity between naive and recovered individuals from (asymptomatic?) infection with wild type SARS-CoV-2? Would it matter how long ago the wild type challenge occured relative to vaccination? | 22:31 |
| de-facto | Would one expect a "boost" of natural immunity from recovery or could it possibly also have negative impact for some reason? | 22:34 |
| de-facto | im not sure, but did they always test for seropositivity (antibodies from natural recovery) prior to allowing participation in their phase III trials, i.e. actively selected purely naive individuals? | 22:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +86 deaths (now 4308) since 23 hours ago | 22:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mali: +91 cases (now 4417), +2 deaths (now 148) since a day ago — Niger: +25 cases (now 1406) since a day ago — Canada: +2833 cases (now 340388), +71 deaths (now 11592) since 22 hours ago | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘We’re drowning’: COVID cases flood hospitals in America’s heartland → https://is.gd/xJQss9 | 23:23 |
| euod[m] | well that's dire | 23:24 |
| euod[m] | not even thanksgiving yet. | 23:24 |
| rpifan | bye us | 23:26 |
| LjL | <de-facto> im not sure, but did they always test for seropositivity (antibodies from natural recovery) prior to allowing participation in their phase III trials, i.e. actively selected purely naive individuals? ← why would they do that when they don't even PCR test people during the trial ;( | 23:31 |
| LjL | but of course, it's a good question | 23:31 |
| LjL | but i guess we won't know until the REAL studies are out instead of just press releases | 23:31 |
| de-facto | i thought they would test for presence of antibodies prior to participation in vaccination trials to make sure that if they detect antibodies they came from the vaccination process and not from a natural recovers that occured in advance | 23:33 |
| LjL | you're hopefully right, i was just being sarcastic | 23:34 |
| euod[m] | rpifan: I mean, yeah. there's a sort of perfect situation here. the only way this could be worse for the US is if thanksgiving was a little later. | 23:37 |
| LjL | you mean like christmas? | 23:38 |
| euod[m] | there's going to be a huge uptick in travel for thanksgiving, people going to their "home towns" and things like that, and again in december. | 23:39 |
| LjL | if only we could do i dunno, some sort of "lockdown" thing | 23:39 |
| rpifan | yea | 23:39 |
| de-facto | they recommend quarantine prior to Christmas family meeting in December, yet i doubt many people would go for that | 23:40 |
| euod[m] | from reading some forums out of curiosity, there's a huge amount of animosity towards any sort of restriction. I saw quotes like "that's how north korea does things", lots of talk about how it's entirely a political concern and that's why it's their position to do the opposite of any direction for containment. | 23:40 |
| LjL | de-facto, i've just heard that briefly on TV right between going to the TV and turning off the TV, and that was enough to piss me off | 23:40 |
| LjL | because it implies that it will be "allowed" to have christmas with others | 23:40 |
| LjL | as long as you kinda sorta self-quarantine beforehand! | 23:40 |
| LjL | suuuuure | 23:40 |
| LjL | good idea, all the working people will do that | 23:41 |
| de-facto | honestly a bit scared about such family meetings in high incidence times because usually family contacts are more intense (and long lasting) than just meeting someone in everyday life | 23:41 |
| euod[m] | lots of the people who are saying they are isolating are just lying anyway. | 23:41 |
| LjL | euod[m], you sometimes see enough hints of that even in this channel. not for long. but you do. | 23:41 |
| de-facto | to be honest i think i will not meet my family this year for Christmas just to make sure they are safe | 23:41 |
| euod[m] | literally a conversation I had today was about how the person doesn't feel like isolating, but has to go to a meeting on the other side of the US, so they're just going to say they drove but fly directly. | 23:42 |
| LjL | de-facto, with family we've already decided that christmas is cancelled this year | 23:42 |
| de-facto | yeah i think thats a good decision | 23:42 |
| euod[m] | "they're not going to know" | 23:42 |
| LjL | euod[m], yeah typically flights aren't tracked or anything | 23:42 |
| euod[m] | like jesus christ that's worse than not self isolating. | 23:42 |
| euod[m] | if you've decided you're not following any guidance at all, at least tell people so we can stay clear of them. | 23:43 |
| de-facto | indeed | 23:43 |
| de-facto | some people still seem to not have recognized the severity of our situation this winter | 23:43 |
| de-facto | LjL, exactly the reason i can not watch TV anymore, i always almost get a heart attack because so many things severely piss me off the way they are putting things and cant even do something about it because info is on a one way path only | 23:46 |
| LjL | de-facto, tell that to my dad! | 23:47 |
| LjL | he speaks back to the TV | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Black People Are More Hesitant About A Vaccine. A Leading Nurse Wants To Change That: Ernest Grant, the president of the American Nurses Association, says historical abuses have left Black people with a distrust of vaccines. Now he's part of a coronavirus vaccine trial. → https://is.gd/OYYdP6 | 23:48 |
| de-facto | yeah exactly my point, its very frustrating when they tell you nonsense and you cant even contradict them | 23:48 |
| de-facto | oh btw the Y453F mutation data is now on https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?c=gt-S_453 | 23:56 |
| de-facto | thats the one from the Cluster 5 mink farming in Denmark, yet also obviously was detected in Netherlands before | 23:56 |
| de-facto | for example 2020-04-25 mink/Netherlands/NB02_index/2020 | 23:57 |
| LjL | well luckily we can stop worrying about the NASTY mink mutation now, maybe! | 23:58 |
| de-facto | 2020-08-08 mink/Netherlands/NB-E;C-28-2/2020 | 23:58 |
| LjL | at least until it happens again in another country | 23:58 |
| LjL | and Denmark can say goodbye to 1% of their GDP | 23:59 |
| LjL | if only we had some sort of recovery fund for that | 23:59 |
| de-facto | 2020-07-20 Denmark/DCFC-1994/2020 | 23:59 |
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