| ubLIX[m] | given the seriousness of the subjects they tend to treat, and the seriousness with which they take their subjects, it's astonishing that seemingly every article on that site is littered with typos | 00:00 |
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| ubLIX[m] | they rush everything, seems like | 00:00 |
| de-facto | and we are in shutdown for 1 min already | 00:01 |
| LjL | de-facto, oh, *that* shutdown, lol | 00:01 |
| LjL | it's usually called a lockdown though :P | 00:02 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], rush... you mean... live vaccines? | 00:02 |
| de-facto | yeah i dont like that term anymore, it means nothing for me now | 00:02 |
| ubLIX[m] | no, the handful of writers on nakedcapitalism.com | 00:02 |
| ubLIX[m] | ah | 00:02 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], yes i understood | 00:03 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], anyway, i am notoriously quite reliable and the fact that one of the pieces of criticism he made of the Pfizer trial matches the one i made makes me concerned | 00:04 |
| genera | The Third Lockdown | 00:04 |
| de-facto | quite weird that Derek Lowe is not mentioning the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine phase III trials in his blog. Everything as expected hence no new perspective from the data release? | 00:04 |
| LjL | though then i do wonder why he makes no mention of Bell's palsy | 00:05 |
| LjL | that makes it sound like he rushed the article, too | 00:05 |
| LjL | it should be hard to miss | 00:05 |
| de-facto | maybe he is still reading about it or such? | 00:05 |
| de-facto | yeah maybe its "in the pipeline" | 00:05 |
| ubLIX[m] | well, that he is busy is easy to believe | 00:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, it's in the study he's harshly criticizing | 00:05 |
| LjL | he ought to have read it | 00:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +112 deaths (now 6266) since 23 hours ago | 00:06 |
| LjL | de-facto, i was talking about the guy who posted the article P1gassu linked, not Lowe | 00:07 |
| LjL | i haven't even added Pfizer stuff to The Links | 00:08 |
| de-facto | oh yeah i have not read that article then | 00:08 |
| LjL | if i can't be bothered doing that, imagine how Lowe must be feeling about all this vaccine data to write about! | 00:08 |
| LjL | actually i feel pretty shit for no particular reason. i hope that'll pass because i can't miss the dentist friday :\ | 00:09 |
| de-facto | maybe he also did not want to interfere with the FDA approval that was still in the work then | 00:12 |
| de-facto | starting from an open position always allows for a more striking line of argumentation when everything settled its movement more or less | 00:14 |
| LjL | i doubt FDA approval is steered by Derek Lowe :P | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Your next flight might be carrying Covid vaccines as United ships doses on passenger planes: United Airlines has started shipping the Pfizer vaccine on passenger flights within the U.S. as demand for additional capacity increases. → https://is.gd/SPmzEP | 00:40 |
| LjL | %links outdoor infection | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Sorry, nothing found. Try with broader keywords | 00:44 |
| LjL | %papers outdoor infection | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 23 papers: Outdoor Air Pollutant Concentration and COVID-19 Infection in Wuhan, China by Yang Han et al, published on 2020-05-26 at http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.19.20106484 [... want %more?] | 00:44 |
| LjL | %more | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] The Effects of Outdoor Air Pollution Concentrations and Lockdowns on Covid-19 Infections in Wuhan and Other Provincial Capitals in China by Yang Han et al, published on 2020-03-24 at https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0364/v1 [...] → https://paste.ee/p/Eegsj | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] that’s not the whole list. Head on over to see our … Continue reading → https://paste.ee/p/hYNxk | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] that’s not the whole list. Head on over to see our … Continue reading → https://paste.ee/p/hYNxk | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: FDA authorizes use of a nonprescription home COVID test → https://is.gd/qJTCPw | 01:17 |
| LjL | Ellume's device then converts the color change into a signal that is transmitted via Bluetooth to a user's cell phone, typically within 15 minutes. The app will then alert the user and offer to transmit the results to local health authorities. (The FDA's documents seem to indicate this reporting is mandatory; we've reached out to the company for clarification and will update if we receive it.) | 01:19 |
| LjL | Bet it'll sell out real quick | 01:20 |
| kara[m] | has anyone read anything interesting about mandatory/forced vaccination in any country? | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Seychelles: +15 cases (now 202) since 4 days ago — Netherlands: +4886 cases (now 629767) since 22 hours ago | 01:38 |
| LjL | kara[m], not recently. i remember Australia said it might be mandatory at some point, and then sort of took it back. not very interesting. | 01:54 |
| LjL | i assume that it will be made mandatory in many countries, but not before there are enough doses for everyone | 01:54 |
| LjL | and if you're not going to make it mandatory now, it's probably wise not to *mention* making it mandatory later, either | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Clinical trials begin for Valneva vaccine: The vaccine, which is manufactured in West Lothian, could be available by the end of 2021. → https://is.gd/r9XqOQ | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +3712 cases (now 2.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Falkland Is.: +6 cases (now 23) since 13 days ago | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: HHS Secretary Azar says the public will get Covid vaccine 'by the end of February into March': Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar provides an update on when he believes the American public will be able to get a Covid vaccine. → https://is.gd/ahtk3S | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +4 cases (now 2100) since 3 days ago | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +1078 cases (now 45442), +12 deaths (now 612) since a day ago | 03:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unwelcome in other countries, Americans fleeing lockdowns, flocking to Mexico → https://is.gd/0cXLPV | 03:41 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Antigen Test as First Over-the-Counter Fully At-Home Diagnostic Test for COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-antigen-test-first-over-counter-fully-home-diagnostic | https://redd.it/kdr8m1 | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +2211 cases (now 611422), +124 deaths (now 18178) since a day ago | 04:52 |
| kara[m] | <LjL "i assume that it will be made ma"> good point! | 05:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand says its strict Covid lockdown is paying off as economy rebounds. → https://is.gd/wzj3W3 | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK: Raging Tom Cruise Blasts British crew members for not following COVID-19 protocols, says "you're gone if I see you doing it again" → https://is.gd/WugAz0 | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: New study links cadmium to more severe flu, pneumonia infections: High levels of cadmium, a chemical found in cigarettes and in contaminated vegetables, are associated with higher death rates in patients with influenza or pneumonia--and may increase the severity of COVID-19 and other respiratory viruses, according to a new study. → https://is.gd/pvEsT1 | 06:30 |
| B105PH3RE | %cases ontario | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | B105PH3RE: In Ontario, Canada, there have been 146067 confirmed cases (1.1% of the population) and 3988 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 103865 tests were performed (140.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ontario for time series data. | 06:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Grenada: +16 cases (now 85) since 2 days ago | 06:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Skane, Sweden: +4554 cases (now 45138), +40 deaths (now 536) since 3 days ago — Vaestra Goetaland, Sweden: +3739 cases (now 55373), +3 deaths (now 1085) since 3 days ago — Espirito Santo, Brazil: +3590 cases (now 216714), +41 deaths (now 4612) since 23 hours ago — Vasternorrland, Sweden: +728 cases (now 7749), +2 deaths (now 176) since 3 days ago | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 cuts into college students' drinking: When college campuses closed in the spring due to the COVID-19 pandemic, the quantity of alcohol consumed by students decreased significantly if they went from living with peers to living with parents, according to a new report in the Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs. → https://is.gd/0cAVcK | 07:07 |
| zutt | %cases finland | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | zutt: In Finland, there have been 31459 confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 466 deaths (1.5% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (1.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Bed shortage looms as South Korea reports record new coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/gTM79m | 07:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +200962 cases (now 17.1 million), +2982 deaths (now 311073) since 23 hours ago | 07:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: First care home residents in Wales get vaccine: A care home pilot for the Covid jab will begin later ahead of a possible rollout before Christmas. → https://is.gd/gtWLqU | 07:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: Germany introduces new restrictions amid rise in cases → https://is.gd/ERzvkC | 08:10 |
| de-facto | RKI Germany: Weekly Incidence 179.8/100k, Infections +27728 (1379238 total), Fatalities +952 (23427 total), COVID@ICU 4745 (incl 2708 on ventilator) | 08:33 |
| de-facto | What a sad record with 952 deaths per day | 08:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: yeah, yesterday's "good" numbers were a hoax from Saxony | 08:44 |
| de-facto | That means there are more people dying from COVID-19 per day in Germany than in USA | 08:44 |
| de-facto | per Capita of course | 08:44 |
| de-facto | congratz to management for such a sad record high in deaths | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fatalities lag behind some 2 to 3 weeks, so we will see those rising quite a few more days no matter what | 08:45 |
| de-facto | I hope this will have consequences for the politicians | 08:45 |
| de-facto | if they would have started to listen to the experts like 2 months ago and not always make stupid compromises from what they say this could have been prevented | 08:47 |
| de-facto | many of their compromises tell they did not even understand the science behind the topic they think they can do compromises with | 08:48 |
| de-facto | like for example making antigen-quicktests once per week in elderly homes personal, that is absolutely ridiculous | 08:48 |
| de-facto | either they do those daily or make an RT-PCR two times a week at least | 08:48 |
| de-facto | but politicians dont understand such things | 08:49 |
| de-facto | we are discussing Lockdowns since 2020-10-14 and finally today 2020-12-16 we have something that hopefully has at least some aspects of a Lockdown | 08:50 |
| de-facto | Politicians are MUCH too liberal about all this | 08:50 |
| de-facto | 63 days discussing about how to implement a lockdown?! really two months?! that is beyond ridiculous | 08:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lithuania: +3417 cases (now 99869), +44 deaths (now 907) since a day ago | 08:52 |
| de-facto | and still the measures are somewhat random, for example why close hairdresser studios? I dont think those have significant contributions to incidence | 08:53 |
| de-facto | why not try to gather statistics about origins of infections and base containment onto that? | 08:53 |
| de-facto | sorry about ranting, i just get bad mood when first thing i see in the morning is double the amount of fatalities than i would have expected to happen | 08:55 |
| de-facto | i will stop now | 08:55 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, if fatalities lag behind like 2-3 weeks only i would have expected we would have been on the R~1 plateau already | 08:56 |
| de-facto | that was reached roughly one month ago or such | 08:57 |
| de-facto | maybe it also has to do with the 7 regions in Saxony with weekly incidences over 500/100k and the one additional in Bavaria? | 08:59 |
| de-facto | I hear some hospitals are already completely full, so they start triage | 08:59 |
| de-facto | at least behind the scenes | 09:00 |
| de-facto | officially they could transport to other places still | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Saxony didn't report numbers yesterday. This made totals yesterday unexpectedly low (tricked me) mut may also have a rebound today | 09:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I really should stop watching daily numbers and only look at the 4d and 7d averages | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch the yellow (new reported) https://i.imgur.com/JpQNbmO.png | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually even for today news said >>there's unclear situation about saxony's numbers of today<< | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | December 16, 2020: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/lk52km | 09:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus creates boom in digital fitness: Fitness apps saw a spike in sign-ups from users exercising during the pandemic. → https://is.gd/GLLGfw | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Who's to blame? How the media has shaped public understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic: The COVID-19 pandemic in the U.S. has been characterized by rapidly changing information, a high degree of uncertainty, and conflicting information about transmission, vulnerability and mitigation methods. Several studies focused on public [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/gKialH | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Aroma diffuser and plastic bag offer inexpensive method to test fit of face masks at home: Researchers have developed a way to use a simple home aroma diffuser to test whether N95 and other types of sealing masks, such as KN95 and FFP2 masks, are properly fitted, a result which could be used to help protect healthcare workers [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/x4VRSx | 10:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: California orders 5,000 body bags, refrigerated trucks on standby as COVID surges (10000 votes) | https://abcnews.go.com/US/5000-body-bags-ordered-refrigerated-trucks-standby-covid/story?id=74741632 | https://redd.it/kdwxhl | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Hopeful sign: Midwestern states see drop in new virus cases: After a punishing fall that left hospitals struggling, some Midwestern states are seeing a decline in new coronavirus cases. But the signs of improvement are offset by the virus's accelerating spread on both coasts: In California, officials scrambled to distribute [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xEmDQC | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: AP Interview: Flattening curve wasn't enough for New Zealand: New Zealand this year pulled off a moonshot that remains the envy of most other nations: It eliminated the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/Q1wuAN | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: First care home residents in Wales get vaccine: A care home pilot for the Covid jab will begin later ahead of a possible rollout before Christmas. → https://is.gd/gtWLqU | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Germany sees record death toll on first day of new lockdown: Germany registered a record number of deaths from COVID-19 on Wednesday, the first day of a new partial lockdown to try and cope with a surge in infections. → https://is.gd/YaZVUA | 11:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Prisoners have been excluded from Covid vaccine plans. And health experts are sounding the alarm → https://is.gd/KmOxWT | 11:32 |
| KREYREEN | What is the difference in antigen and antibody tests? | 11:42 |
| KREYREEN | smells as same thing to me | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: A Once-in-a-Lifetime Chance for Liberian Immigrants Has Been “Hamstrung” by COVID — and Trump’s Dysfunctional Immigration Bureaucracy: by Dara Lind ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. In late August — over halfway [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OKwJeM | 11:45 |
| KREYREEN | LjL, save meeeh | 11:50 |
| KREYREEN | T-T | 11:50 |
| KREYREEN | pretty sure that antigen is just the immune response to create the Y-shaped protein which would indicate that i had covid-19 and the ... that makes no sense | 11:51 |
| KREYREEN | aaaaaaaaa | 11:51 |
| KREYREEN | > The presence of antigens in the body normally triggers an immune response. | 11:53 |
| KREYREEN | so i only care of antigen tests | 11:53 |
| KREYREEN | i guess | 11:53 |
| KREYREEN | x.x | 11:53 |
| KREYREEN | where is everyone when i need em aaaa | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 vaccines: key facts → https://is.gd/ssCPcx | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5625 cases (now 394453), +110 deaths (now 6295) since a day ago | 12:05 |
| KREYREEN | aaaaaa | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid vaccine: More than 130,000 vaccinated in UK in first week → https://is.gd/eVNlWJ | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Latvia: +1023 cases (now 27495), +25 deaths (now 382) since a day ago — Germany: +861 deaths (now 23782) since 22 hours ago | 12:23 |
| KREYREEN | for the record she told me that only twice and she was drunk the second time ! | 12:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Prisoners have been excluded from Covid vaccine plans. And health experts are sounding the alarm → https://is.gd/KmOxWT | 12:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: First care home residents in Wales get vaccine: A care home pilot for the Covid jab will begin later ahead of a possible rollout before Christmas. → https://is.gd/gtWLqU | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What you need to know about Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine: Americans began receiving Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine this week, and many people are eagerly awaiting their turn at vaccination, which they see as a ticket to normalcy. → https://is.gd/BFz81k | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What motivates changing behaviors during COVID-19—from toilet paper hoarding to physical distancing: The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has forced us to make some pretty interesting decisions like buying in bulk, wearing face masks and physically distancing from other people. → https://is.gd/JlYjSn | 13:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +201693 cases (now 17.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 13:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Prisoners have been excluded from Covid vaccine plans, and health experts are sounding the alarm → https://is.gd/KmOxWT | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Denmark: +3417 cases (now 119779), +14 deaths (now 975) since 7 hours ago | 14:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Ivermectin Use Associated with Reduced Duration of COVID-19 Febrile Illness in a Community Setting (80 votes) | https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3734478 | https://redd.it/ke6nco | 14:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: U.S. stock futures built on Tuesday's rally as investors grew more optimistic about Washington reaching a deal on another coronavirus economic relief package. → https://is.gd/z0Pwn3 | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Queues build for GP appointments and cancer tests: Patients are facing a double whammy of delays as GPs report struggling to meet appointment demand and increased waiting times for vital cancer tests, according to new findings from Cancer Research UK. → https://is.gd/xc3c0M | 14:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Namibia: +363 cases (now 17276) since 21 hours ago | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: U.S. stock futures built on Tuesday's rally as investors grew more optimistic about Washington reaching a deal on another coronavirus economic relief package. → https://is.gd/z0Pwn3 | 14:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Liberia: +97 cases (now 1773) since 11 days ago | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 immunity and reinfection: Why it's still essential to take precautions: With some viruses, once you have been infected and have developed antibodies, you will be immune to that virus for life. Past infection with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, does not, as far as is known at this stage, guarantee [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FSBw2M | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Rising virus infections worrying, says Spain PM: Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez on Wednesday called a recent rise in coronavirus infections "worrying", warning that stricter measures to curb the spread could be needed for Christmas. → https://is.gd/7gKLU9 | 15:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: One-quarter of the world won’t have a Covid-19 shot until 2022; naming a Covid vaccine takes time → https://is.gd/yTD4Ta | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +11169 cases (now 639746), +78 deaths (now 10246) since 23 hours ago | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study finds 1 in 10 people in Spain has been infected with virus: Around 4.7 million people in Spain, which amounts to one in 10 people, have contracted the coronavirus since the start of the pandemic, according to a new government-led antibody study. → https://is.gd/cTKHLe | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Indonesia's president to receive country's first COVID-19 vaccine shot: Indonesian President Joko Widodo said Wednesday he would be the first person in the country to be vaccinated for COVID-19 as he unveiled a campaign promising free inoculations for everyone in world's fourth most-populous nation. → https://is.gd/Q1SrC6 | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from "COVID-19 pandemic in Denmark" on Wikipedia: Year1888: Updated numbers (forgot to update Case-to-mortality ratio): Updated numbers (forgot to update Case-to-mortality ratio) ← Previous revision Revision as of 15:29, 16 December 2020 Line 21: Line 21: | recovery_cases = 83,801 (16 December 2020) | recovery_cases = 83,801 (16 December 2020) [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/58UIK3 | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +6216 cases (now 477353), +129 deaths (now 13702) since a day ago | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: After experts criticized its approach, Facebook overhauls its Covid-19 misinformation policy: The move comes after experts told STAT that Facebook's Covid-19 misinformation strategy was unlikely to be as effective as a more direct approach. → https://is.gd/HDfPJI | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +17568 cases (now 1.9 million), +680 deaths (now 66537) since a day ago | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Virtual Event: A look ahead at biotech in 2021: STAT’s biotech team takes the virtual stage to look back at how the biotech industry confronted the pandemic and forecast the year to come. → https://is.gd/05OAGp | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: First care home residents in Wales get vaccine: A care home pilot for the Covid jab begins ahead of a possible rollout before Christmas. → https://is.gd/gtWLqU | 17:27 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: More than 137,000 people in UK receive first dose of COVID vaccine in one week (83 votes) | https://www.gov.uk/government/news/more-than-137000-people-in-uk-receive-first-dose-of-covid-vaccine-in-one-week | https://redd.it/kea2c6 | 17:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, US: +4837 cases (now 429219), +108 deaths (now 7530) since a day ago | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Watch live: New York Gov. Cuomo holds a press briefing as state starts distributing Covid vaccine → https://is.gd/zLqEw5 | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +113 deaths (now 6374) since 21 hours ago | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. quarantines Pfizer vaccine shipments in California and Alabama after transit 'anomaly' left vials too cold → https://is.gd/ZftCBJ | 17:53 |
| Skunny | "You can give me anything, but I'm not gonna be number one on that fucking new vaccine. I don't know want to be the first one to wake up with a set of fucking antlers in the morning." | 17:58 |
| Skunny | Ozzy | 17:58 |
| LjL | My parents were called by the GP saying she has finally gotten the flu vaccine doses, just a couple of days before they were due to get it privately. They could still cancel | 17:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Prisoners have been excluded from Covid vaccine plans, and health experts are sounding the alarm → https://is.gd/KmOxWT | 18:06 |
| IndoAnon | >Danish PM says authorities expect January and February to be the hardest months. From the 21’st of December (i.e. Monday) all smaller children will be sent home from school. Driving schools, barbers, after school clubs etc. will all be shut down from Monday as well. | 18:15 |
| IndoAnon | >From tomorrow the shopping malls and shopping centers will be shutdown. Supermarkets and pharmacies will remain open.>Danish Guberment will give financial helping packages to the affected businesses. | 18:15 |
| IndoAnon | >Danish authorities recommend only meeting max 10 people for Christmas. Recommendations for New Year’s Eve will come next week. | 18:15 |
| IndoAnon | >Danish PM says she is deeply concerned for the development coming in January and February. Afraid Denmark will lose control. Says “We have the season against us this time while we had the season in our favor in spring”. | 18:15 |
| IndoAnon | >The vaccines are our light and hope in the darkness she says. | 18:15 |
| IndoAnon | [Live event] brought to you by /pol/cvg | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +100 cases (now 2292) since 18 hours ago | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Two thirds of people with lupus would take COVID-19 vaccine, survey shows: Two out of three people with lupus (64%) are willing to take a COVID-19 vaccine if it is free and determined safe by scientists according to results of a survey conducted by the Lupus Research Alliance (LRA). However, it is important to note that 24% say [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/uNCmf9 | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. quarantines Pfizer vaccine shipments in California and Alabama after transit 'anomaly' left vials too cold → https://is.gd/ZftCBJ | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What you need to know about the COVID-19 vaccine: (HealthDay)—As America rolls out a nationwide coronavirus vaccination campaign this week, experts help answer your questions about the new COVID-19 vaccines. → https://is.gd/OYQvPR | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +11078 cases (now 1.8 million), +195 deaths (now 48596) since 23 hours ago | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>>The vaccines are our light and hope in the darkness she says.<< well, if only people would realize the vaccines will do shit about covid nzmbers for the next 6 months | 19:07 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well that's why she's locking things down, uh? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a reasonable and paramount inportance goal is to have vacciniation done a 89% *before NEXT november* | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 90 but meh | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: of course, but giving false "hope" is probably no smart thing to do | 19:10 |
| LjL | why is it false? if she locks down during the winter, and it's effective, then the vaccine may actually come in time to make things better | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Researchers uncover evidence that UV radiation from sunlight reduces COVID-19 transmission: Scientists, policymakers and healthcare workers are eager to discern to what extent COVID-19 may be seasonal. Understanding this aspect of the disease could guide our response to the pandemic. → https://is.gd/Wqcari | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just fed up with the hype about vaccines everywhere. They won't help a bit to get into next summer | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the >>mimimi USA started 9 days earlier than wee will<< is just MEH! | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -e | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Russia started several months earlier than virtually everybody else (except china?) and where are they now? did pan out nice, right? | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I'm a tad grumpy today | 19:13 |
| LjL | they did? i thought the "vaccinating his daughter" stunt was just a stunt and it wasn't *really* approved | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | feels to me like recently globally establishing a huge fairy tale (similar to Trump's >>it will vanish like magic<< shit) with >>BUT BUT we got the vaccine now!!!<< | 19:18 |
| LjL | i don't see it. people over 70 are a relatively small minority within the population, and just vaccinating those would abate the death dramatically. of course it won't happen tomorrow. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vaccination will have exactly zilch effect prior to end of February, in Europe, And 4 weeks later we already are in covid-dwindles-season at start of April | 19:21 |
| LjL | then is it a coincidence that the Danish PM talked specifically about January and February as the "critical" months where a lockdown is really needed? | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, why would it? | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is it related at all, and gow? | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how* | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: EU members to start COVID-19 jabs 'the same day': The EU's 27 member countries aim to start COVID-19 vaccinations on "the same day" in a sign of unity, possibly a day or two before Christmas, European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said Wednesday. → https://is.gd/sZSwds | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | January and February ARE the worst months, from mere seasonal effect. Whether we got a vaccine or not | 19:23 |
| LjL | the very seasonal effect that nobody is quite sure of how it works with COVID... | 19:24 |
| LjL | anyway i really don't see what's making you so mad about this | 19:24 |
| LjL | she's saying reasonable things | 19:24 |
| LjL | they are the worst months, and after those months, seasonal effect or not, the vaccine may start to show some effects | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [16 Dec 2020 19:18:11] <DocScrutinizer05> feels to me like recently globally establishing a huge fairy tale (similar to Trump's >>it will vanish like magic<< shit) with >>BUT BUT we got the vaccine now!!!<< | 19:24 |
| LjL | if it's a fairy tale, it was established LONG ago, very long before we got a vaccine at all | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it always was this "one day we get a vaccine and next day we're back to normal" bullshit | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason why everybody getting mad now about one week[!!!] of delay between start of vaccinations in US and EU | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this one week ideally has ZILCH effect | 19:28 |
| LjL | I wonder what would happen if they all said "this will never end, prepare for a drastically different lifestyle for the rest of your lives" | 19:28 |
| LjL | Yeah it would be better if the EMA weren't pressured considering that the FDA's review may be a little partisan as far as I can see | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here (as prolly everywhere in EU) politicians and propagandists with either rogue intentions or absolutely no idea whatsoever about the details are bitching >>every day of delay costs thousands of lifes<< - BULLSHIT | 19:34 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Over 130,000 people vaccinated in the first week of jabs in the UK (10025 votes) | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55332242 | https://redd.it/ke7gk5 | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and >>>The vaccines are our light and hope in the darkness she says.<< supports this | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Americas report 5 mn COVID cases in a week: PAHO: The Americas reported some five million new COVID-19 infections in a week, mostly in the United States and Canada, the Pan American Health Organization said Wednesday. → https://is.gd/4vUAuF | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +22503 cases (now 1.9 million), +563 deaths (now 65520) since 12 hours ago | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my suggestion for the message to publish: this is the LAST lockdown for covid, and it will NOT last longer than MAX end of March (shorter if we do a good job at bringing down and *keeping low* the numbers now, by complying to the distancing and no-gathering rules). Next autumn we WILL have the vaccine and no more such shutdown, and until then there's a spring and summer in between which been easy last time and will be more easy next | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | time | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: One in five patients hospitalized with COVID-19 dies: (HealthDay)—Severe acute complications are common among adults hospitalized with COVID-19, leading to an inpatient mortality rate of 20 percent, according to a study published online Dec. 10 in JAMA Network Open. → https://is.gd/1kf1Vq | 19:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Revealed: Trump appointee told CDC not to acknowledge pandemic was hurting Black Americans more → https://is.gd/RJ3caD | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Patients with COVID-19 and obesity have poor outcomes not driven by inflammation: Obesity is associated with poor COVID-19 outcomes but a new study suggests this is not due to increased inflammation, but instead may be driven by respiratory issues or other factors. → https://is.gd/eoei1R | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: funny enough, just on topic :-) >>[16 Dec 2020 19:10:51] <Brainstorm> New from Medical Xpress: Researchers uncover evidence that UV radiation from sunlight reduces COVID-19 transmission: Scientists, policymakers and healthcare workers are eager to discern to what extent COVID-19 may be seasonal. Understanding this aspect of the disease could guide our response to the pandemic. → https://is.gd/Wqcari << | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. quarantines Pfizer vaccine shipments in California and Alabama after transit 'anomaly' left vials too cold → https://is.gd/ZftCBJ | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo warns a January economic shutdown is possible as Covid cases soar to springtime records → https://is.gd/xAuakO | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Pandemic fears driving firearm purchases: Stress related to the coronavirus pandemic and the uncertainty of what the future holds is motivating people to purchase firearms, a trend that may be more prevalent in those who already own firearms, according to a Rutgers study. → https://is.gd/7XYP8R | 20:51 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/kee4pc/long_covid_alarm_as_21_report_symptoms_after_five/ | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Antibody drugs used to treat Trump, others could cut Covid-19 hospitalizations by half, but they're not being used by the general public → https://is.gd/PdW5WH | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +5746 cases (now 479720), +132 deaths (now 13759) since 23 hours ago | 21:05 |
| LjL | uhm, when Trump was getting those drugs, most doctors were like "whut" | 21:09 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm:##ljl> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Alaska Health Worker Had a Serious Allergic Reaction After Pfizer’s Vaccine → https://is.gd/yYTJre | 21:20 |
| LjL | i don't really understand why there's "controvery" in the US, as some news said in the past days, about usnig the vaccine on clearly allergic people | 21:21 |
| LjL | there have been reactions AND the test protocols excluded those people | 21:21 |
| LjL | it shouldn't be used, just as the UK decided | 21:21 |
| LjL | and if you're allergic you better have this vaccine, if at all, somewhere where they can treat you for anaphylaxis | 21:22 |
| LjL | ideally that should be true for everybody, as reactions can be unexpected | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tennessee, US: +11410 cases (now 484285), +53 deaths (now 5668) since a day ago | 21:22 |
| LjL | but i doubt it *will* be true for everybody, with the amount of people who will need to be vaccinated | 21:22 |
| LjL | %wa population of tennessee | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Tennessee | population): Result: 6.829 million people (2019) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+tennessee | 21:23 |
| LjL | wow, that's a big number | 21:23 |
| LjL | of cases | 21:23 |
| LjL | the number of deaths is also quite high, comparable to italy | 21:24 |
| LjL | (italy has fewer cases though, relatively speaking) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grrr >>Pfizer’s vaccine, which was developed with German drugmaker BioNTech, ...<< nope! BioNTech's vaccine produced by Pfizer | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +29858 cases (now 1.4 million), +782 deaths (now 24441) since a day ago | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>two trays of the vaccine that arrived at two separate locations in California had to be returned to Pfizer after the temperature somehow fell to minus 92 degrees Celsius. [...] “We returned them immediately back to Pfizer and we sent immediate shipments to replace those two trays. We’re working with the FDA now, CDC, FDA and Pfizer to determine if that anomaly is safe or not<< ROTFL | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet the specs for shipment provided by bioNTech said "always <= -70°C" or - very unlikely - specified a range like "between -70°C and -110°C" | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, CNBC and >>Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine<< + >>President Donald Trump’s vaccine program Operation Warp Speed<< - nuff said | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: yeah, alergic reaction are somewhat no surprise when encountered by persons that are at high risk to severe allergic reaktions. It's just another red herring used by US media and political circus to make a headline | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Retraction Watch: Journal expresses concern — we think — about papers by Surgisphere founder: More than six months after two of the world’s leading medical journals retracted papers on COVID-19 based on suspect data from a questionable company, a journal says it has cleared a raft of articles by the controversial founder of the firm. Or, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Qj6UxG | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the BNT vaccine contains lipides which _may_ trigger an allergic episode in those allergic to lipides | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not very likely that somebody encounters their first-ever allergic shock from the vaccine. Regularly those people _know_ they have a disposition to allergic reactions | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody feels ultra-concerned, they might want to do a prick test with the very lipids contained in the BNT vaccine | 21:58 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: the problem is that while the study protocol excluded those who were severely allergic, the actual study did not mention that, and at first (and still in the US apparently) the vaccine was also given to this class of people. If a group is excluded from the study protocol that's pretty much THE reason to also exclude them from getting the vaccine, at least initially | 22:06 |
| LjL | These are anaphylactic shocks we're talking about, not an itchy arm | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know. And yes, people with a history of suffering allergic anaphylactic shock from whatever, per se are supposed to take extra care whenever getting in contact with anything new. That's not anything special about this (or any) vaccine. For flu shots it's egg allergy, here it's probably the lipids, but anybody with whatever type of known severe allergy is supposed to _know_ the extra care they got to take, and the adrenaline syringe | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they got to carry with them at all times | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote: in Germany _every_ patient after vaccination is supposed to stay 30 (60?) minutes at site under scrutiny, for exactly this rare case of suffering allergic shock | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: FDA authorizes Abbott's rapid $25 Covid test for at-home use: "FDA continues to authorize COVID-19 tests that will give more Americans access to greater testing flexibility and options," FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn said. → https://is.gd/ICMV6G | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't see it in here (from TV news): 30% of *young* patients with mild covid nevertheless suffer potentially lethal long-term heart-issues | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in a first study which suggests urgent need for closer look at this aspect | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We want them infected,' Trump HHS appointee said in email pushing to expose infants, kids and teens to Covid to reach 'herd immunity' → https://is.gd/SDmD5B | 22:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Syria: +151 cases (now 9603), +11 deaths (now 554) since 23 hours ago | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and again Brainstorm is to the point :-D >>expose infants, kids and teens to Covid to reach 'herd immunity' << vs >>30% of *young* patients with mild covid nevertheless suffer potentially lethal long-term heart-issues<< | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Trump and his army of idiots | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Despite lax rules, COVID-19 claims few lives in Haiti. Scientists want to know why. → https://is.gd/hsJ6T2 | 22:46 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: I definitely won't rule it out, but caveat, the other study that found myocarditis and other heart issues was partly debunked | 22:48 |
| LjL | Let's hope this one is too | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/heute-journal/heute-journal-vom-16-dezember-2020-100.html | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/heute-journal/herzschaeden-nach-covid-erkrankung-100.html | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %tr <de Plötzlich ist Pascal tot: zwanzig Jahre alt, Krankenpfleger und Fußballer. Nach der eigentlich milden Covid-Erkrankung bleibt sein angegriffenes Herz unbemerkt. Seine Eltern möchten aufrütteln: Folgeschäden einer Infektion sollen nicht unerkannt bleiben. | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05, German to English: Suddenly Pascal is dead: twenty years old, nurse and footballer. After the actually mild Covid disease, his attacked heart goes unnoticed. His parents want to shake things up: consequential damage to an infection should not go undetected. (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: US health worker has serious allergic reaction to Pfizer vaccine: A health worker in Alaska suffered a serious allergic reaction after getting Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine and is now hospitalized but stable, a report said Wednesday. → https://is.gd/pNpW7i | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/2eAqBHs.png 1:24 | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>US pupil has serious allergic reaction to peanuts after eating a donut<< WTF really. This is expected, not anything newsworthy | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.herzzentrum.de/kliniken-fachbereiche/klinik-fuer-kardiologie-und-angiologie-ii/forschung/klinische-forschung.html | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not listed in their recent or past studies yet | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I can't find it | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We want them infected,' Trump HHS appointee said in email pushing to expose infants, kids and teens to Covid to reach 'herd immunity' → https://is.gd/SDmD5B | 23:11 |
| LjL | Brainstorm: yes we already appreciated the information | 23:11 |
| LjL | It always does this with CNBC | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.herzzentrum.de/kliniken-fachbereiche/klinik-fuer-kardiologie-und-angiologie-i/team/leitende-oberaerzte.html https://i.imgur.com/dTHpuUQ.png I'd almost feel tempet to email him. Then, I'm sure thsi would be the 3342th email in his postbox today | 23:12 |
| LjL | Maybe not | 23:12 |
| LjL | You can try. If he's inundated he won't answer, no harm done | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Health officials track safety as COVID-19 vaccines roll out: As COVID-19 vaccinations roll out to more and more people, health authorities are keeping close watch for any unexpected side effects. → https://is.gd/9h5dWY | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway "in first studies they found cardial anomalies in 30% of young mild covid patients and while they can't tell yet if those anomalies are always negligible or might cause severe problem, they strongly suggest to have a closer look" | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the light of this statement >>'We want them infected,' Trump HHS appointee said in email pushing to expose infants, kids and teens to Covid<< sound like the advice of spawn from hell, no? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you think we will read a CNBC headline covering *that*? | 23:30 |
| LjL | i don't know what CNBC's political line is | 23:32 |
| LjL | i'm pretty oblivious really | 23:32 |
| LjL | someone came here repeatedly asking for more "progressive" news sources | 23:32 |
| LjL | but i don't really know what those are, it's not like i'm purposefully seeking *regressive* sources | 23:32 |
| LjL | i guess The Atlantic and ProPublica were Progressively Approved® | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quote from the CNBC article >>“As the virus spread through the country, these officials callously wrote, ‘who cares’ and ‘we want them infected,‘” Clyburn said in a statement. “They privately admitted they ‘always knew’ the President’s policies would cause a ‘rise’ in cases, and they plotted to blame the spread of the virus on career scientists.” << | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'We want them infected,' Trump HHS appointee said in email pushing to expose infants, kids and teens to Covid to reach 'herd immunity' → https://is.gd/SDmD5B | 23:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +930 cases (now 75062) since a day ago | 23:36 |
| LjL | gah | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> Alexander lamented that Fauci warned the public to “expect a dramatic increase in spread.” “He just wont stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He cant keep quiet….and he is not on the same page of the govn….does he think he is the President???” Alexander added.<< | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re CNBC political bias, this article doesn't sound too "pro-Trumpism" | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trumpiverse | 23:44 |
| LjL | oh if only Fauci *were* the president | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there were times those folks would have been executed in USA, for mass murder | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +113 deaths (now 6379) since 23 hours ago | 23:50 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, iirc someone in Russia proposed offering asylum to Trump after he leaves the presidency :P | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 23:58 |
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