| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +19154 cases (now 1.5 million), +319 deaths (now 27083) since 17 hours ago — Canada: +5512 cases (now 513616) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +84 deaths (now 6781) since 11 hours ago | 00:07 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +12538 cases (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +38 deaths (now 10549) since 23 hours ago | 01:34 |
| LjL | let me know if you notice anything strange with Brainstorm's case updates. i've switched to Covidly as the data source | 01:36 |
| LjL | i'm afraid that if nothing else, for now at least, the updates will be less timely, as Covidly updates on a daily basis | 01:37 |
| LjL | (for some places at least) | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: could you please disable channel colors? | 01:50 |
| LjL | no, because then i'd also disable bold and italics, which the bot uses | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, I forgot | 01:51 |
| LjL | yeah it would be nice to have a more selective channel mode, but i wouldn't take even +c for granted | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +C? | 01:52 |
| LjL | freenode used to be allergic to anything that looked at, nevermind changed, incoming messages (they had decent reasons) | 01:52 |
| LjL | +c is the one that block colors | 01:52 |
| LjL | +C is... something else | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what was +C? | 01:53 |
| LjL | blocks CTCPs | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((bold)) never seen the bot use it | 01:54 |
| LjL | coincidentally, also one that looks at incoming messages! | 01:54 |
| LjL | well you haven't paid much attention :P | 01:54 |
| LjL | %title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2765654 | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From jamanetwork.com: Clinical Characteristics and Results of Semen Tests Among Men With Coronavirus Disease 2019 | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Network Open | JAMA Network | 01:54 |
| LjL | look, bold! | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:54 |
| LjL | or maybe you don't see it in your terminal? | 01:54 |
| LjL | (bold *and* italic) | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's it | 01:54 |
| LjL | doesn't it even shown it in a whiter white? | 01:55 |
| LjL | "jamanetwork.com" is bolded | 01:55 |
| LjL | and meanwhile, sigh, i should definitely migrate the bot to Python 3, so many things i realize i cannot do because they require 3-only libraries | 01:56 |
| LjL | but i don't wannnaaaaa | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/wgFX8Bk.png | 01:56 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, so you see neither bold nor italics but you see colors? you client is a smarticle :P | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what the... 04,09TEST | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:57 |
| LjL | lol | 01:57 |
| LjL | bold italics 4color | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/qmycNMI.png | 01:58 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, file a *cough* feature improvement request :P | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, won't do any more, Sho is pissed by my coments regarding new GUI | 01:59 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, Sho... so that's Konversation? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 02:02 |
| LjL | did they change the GUI all over? i mean, they had the one client that looked decent, and they CHANGED it? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't know, not yet on the version I use | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just don't get it why it can't do bold while it does colors just fine. Also I would bet I've seen bold once | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | must be a regression | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or PEBCAK/setting issue | 02:05 |
| LjL | it doesn't show _bold_ and /italic/ using *these* conventions, right? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sidenote: I explicitly checked if the bot uses colors before I asked to +c | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 02:07 |
| LjL | well almost nobody uses colors in here anyway, and if they use them excessively, feel free to tell them not to, because i'm not a fan | 02:08 |
| LjL | i know i use them sometimes when i paste from logs, because my client seems to decide randomly whether to color those pastes or not :\ | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I see one user who seems to >>[21 Dec 2020 22:59:50] <Jigsy> >Students yet to travel home exempt from English Tier 4 travel ban<< - I wonder if color C&Ps | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless another PEBKAC | 02:17 |
| LjL | test | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plain | 02:30 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, no sorry, that was something else, i was testing a new feature for the bot | 02:38 |
| LjL | well, an old feature, but an old feature of other bots | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | found https://invent.kde.org/network/konversation/-/blob/master/ChangeLog#L928 | 02:38 |
| LjL | so it *should* have bold and italic | 02:39 |
| LjL | that seems unlikely... | 02:40 |
| LjL | i think the font renderer would derive it artificially even if the font didn't contain it | 02:40 |
| LjL | http://test/ | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *nod* me too | 02:43 |
| LjL-Konvi | DocScrutinizer05: this thing is Konvi 1.7.5 and it just showed me some bold | 02:50 |
| LjL-Konvi | distro is now upgrading it to 1.7.7 | 02:50 |
| LjL-Konvi | DocScrutinizer05: btw you can go into Settings / Interface / Colors and disabled "Allow Colored Text in IRC Messages" | 02:51 |
| LjL-Konvi | this KDE theme looks strangely like BeOS | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: well, *I * use colors a lot :-D - locally | 02:57 |
| LjL | weeeell i guess they haven't gone as far as per-channel settings on that just yet | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BB= #Turns Text Bold in IRC #0x02 = Bold https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1606840 | 02:59 |
| LjL | that is indeed bold | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | per-channel settings are a poor domain in Konvi | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Konversation Version 1.7.4 | 03:01 |
| LjL | then maybe it *is* the font... | 03:02 |
| LjL | or it was added just in 1.7.5? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Changes from 1.3.1 to 1.4-beta1: * IRC formatting markup (colors, bold, italic, etc.) support in chat text views | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's take it to #konversation | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: solved, was indeed the (user selected) font | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some fonts work, some don't - in chat window. In Konvi's font selector requester preview box, all show bold | 04:02 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ‘Good news’: Coronavirus vaccine will still protect against new U.K. variant, WHO says (10095 votes) | https://globalnews.ca/news/7535146/coronavirus-vaccine-variant-protection-who | https://redd.it/khsgsi | 04:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: World cuts off U.K. in attempt to halt spread of mutant Covid strain (36459 votes) | https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/britain-cut-canada-others-new-covid-strain-spreads-n1251884 | https://redd.it/khg19r | 04:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Emergence and rapid spread of a new severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) lineage with multiple spike mutations in South Africa (648 votes) | https://www.krisp.org.za/publications.php?pubid=315 | https://redd.it/khlm27 | 04:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Rapid increase of a SARS-CoV-2 variant with multiple spike protein mutations observed in the United Kingdom (213 votes) | https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/SARS-CoV-2-variant-multiple-spike-protein-mutations-United-Kingdom.pdf | https://redd.it/khjblw | 04:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: EMA recommends first COVID-19 vaccine for authorisation in the EU (177 votes) | https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-first-covid-19-vaccine-authorisation-eu | https://redd.it/khi7az | 04:28 |
| LjL | The cluster differs by 29 nucleotide substitutions from the original Wuhan strain, which is higher than current molecular clock estimates of around two substitutions per genome per month [10]. The fraction of non-synonymous mutations in the spike protein for the variant is much higher than expected from random mutations (27% of the 22 substitutions acquired since the Nextstrain clade 20B common ancestor are located in the S-gene, which | 04:34 |
| LjL | comprises 13% of the viral genome, and all of these substitutions are non-synonymous). Three sequences from Denmark and one from Australia, from samples collected in November 2020,cluster with the UK variant, most likely indicating that international spread has occurred, although the extent remains unknown. | 04:34 |
| LjL | https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/SARS-CoV-2-variant-multiple-spike-protein-mutations-United-Kingdom.pdf | 04:34 |
| LjL | The unusually high number of spike protein mutations, other genomic properties of the variant, and the high sequencing coverage in the UK suggest that the variant has not emerged through gradual accumulation of mutations in the UK. It is also unlikely that the variant could have arisen through selection pressure from ongoing vaccination programmes as the observed increase does not match the timing of such activities. One possible | 04:37 |
| LjL | explanation for the emergence of the variant is prolonged SARS-CoV-2 infection in a single patient,potentially with reduced immunocompetence | 04:37 |
| LjL | Another possible explanation could be adaptation processes in a virus that occur in a different susceptible animal species and is then transmitted back to humans from the animal hosts. | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or virus sex? | 04:39 |
| LjL | O.o | 04:40 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> /r/coronavirus: Italian health minister: "the mutation is probably already present in big cities, we risk the collapse of the healthcare system" (1451 votes) | 04:40 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> https://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2020/12/21/news/speranza_ferma_subito_i_voli_ma_il_governo_e_preoccupato_rischiamo_il_collassso_-279238459/?ref=RHTP-BH-I278887413-P1-S1-T1 | https://redd.it/khc4ux | 04:40 |
| louipc | they say you should use glory holes and wear masks | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: no kideding. I can't find that one article bit maybe this is close enough >>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12967275/<< | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "hacker's gen lab" ("dissolve" several different virus strains in acid, then let them recombine) been discussed like 30 years ago IIRC | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe https://www.the-odin.com/genetic-engineering-home-lab-kit/ | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: https://i.imgur.com/2envIAb.png vs https://i.imgur.com/Hqdbpul.png you see 2020-12-17 is stable | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for newer dates I'd actually need nowcasting... or simply don't look at those | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, in the newer diagram I consider 2020-12-18 as stable | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +427 cases (now 5716) since a day ago — Belgium: +981 cases (now 626911), +71 deaths (now 18697) since a day ago | 07:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for California, United States: +39854 cases (now 1.9 million), +162 deaths (now 22837) since 9 hours ago — Texas, United States: +11520 cases (now 1.6 million), +109 deaths (now 25936) since 9 hours ago — Florida, United States: +11015 cases (now 1.2 million), +112 deaths (now 20680) since 9 hours ago [... want %more?] | 07:33 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Real-world data suggest antibody positivity to SARS-CoV-2 is associated with a decreased risk of future infection (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.18.20248336v1 | https://redd.it/khupvt | 08:11 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.gisaid.org/references/gisaid-in-the-news/uk-reports-new-variant-termed-vui-20201201/ | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.gisaid.org: GISAID - UK reports new variant, termed VUI 202012/01 | 08:38 |
| de-facto | RKI COVID-19 Germany 2020-12-22: Weekly Incidence 197.6/100k, Infections +19528 (1530180), Fatalities +731 (27006), COVID@ICU 5204 (incl 2707 on ventilator) | 10:39 |
| de-facto | This is not an acceptable trend in Germany, for each day in December there are like 68 additional ICU beds occupied by severe COVID-19 cases, ~25% dont survive that, ~50% need ventilators (hence i guess being put on a ventilator is a 50/50 chance to never awake again) | 11:26 |
| Urchin[emacs] | %cases croatia | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin[emacs]: In Croatia, there have been 195728 confirmed cases (4.8% of the population) and 3257 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of a day ago. 950611 tests were performed (20.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for UAE: +1226 cases (now 195878), +3 deaths (now 642) since 14 hours ago | 12:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sweden: +22319 cases (now 389439), +174 deaths (now 8167) since 4 days ago — Switzerland: +4275 cases (now 418266) since 14 hours ago — Gibraltar: +48 cases (now 1330) since 23 hours ago | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +20118 cases (now 1.5 million) since 19 hours ago | 15:25 |
| de-facto | %cases Germany | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +10096 cases (now 710969), +85 deaths (now 10624) since 18 hours ago | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Germany, there have been 1.5 million confirmed cases (1.9% of the population) and 27412 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of a second ago. 32.0 million tests were performed (4.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 16:46 |
| de-facto | going shopping for food feels like pre-apocalyptic prepping, there was a queue in front of one supermarkets entry that ranged until next street corner (block). WTF is wrong with the people ?! | 16:48 |
| LjL | technically you were one of the people | 16:59 |
| LjL | maybe everybody was wondering the same | 16:59 |
| louipc | did u get toilet paper | 17:01 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Anthony Fauci says Americans should assume a new, more contagious strain of Coronavirus is already in the US (10096 votes) | https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-new-covid-strain-u-k-u-s-1556576 | https://redd.it/ki52og | 17:08 |
| de-facto | well i wanted to go, but having seen the queue i just went to the bakery instead | 17:19 |
| Arsanerit | We're planning to go tomorrow at 08:00. Today at 09:30 my wife had to wait 10 minutes. | 17:21 |
| de-facto | maybe i dont go at all, actually i think i still have enough of everything for this Xmess | 17:23 |
| louipc | or have stuff delivered | 17:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +11255 cases (now 2.1 million), +213 deaths (now 67880) since 9 hours ago — Canada: +65 deaths (now 14340) since 23 hours ago | 17:29 |
| Arsanerit | every time I've checked for grocery delivery since March it's been fully booked as far ahead as slots exist | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sidenote factoid: BioNTech says, *IF* the vaccine would ever need adaption/modification for new mutation strains, it takes them six weeks to accomplish the task | 18:08 |
| LjL | but then you also have to produce it | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, of course | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eritrea: +25 cases (now 832), +1 deaths (now 1) since a day ago | 18:12 |
| Leffe[m] | I hope new mutations will keep popping up so we can get rid off as many boomers as possible. We need their houses. We need their jobs. We need their pension money. | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not amused | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on top of that it makes no sense at all, at any level | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so concrats to pack 4 fallacies into a single statement | 18:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s.conc.cong. | 18:21 |
| Arsanerit | boomers are mostly retired, we don't need their jobs, and people dying is bad for jobs | 18:30 |
| spybert | Leffe[m]: Don't assume the situation in the US applies to the rest of the world. | 18:30 |
| Arsanerit | the ecology of the planet however would benefit if all humans died | 18:31 |
| spybert | Leffe[m]: Boomers in nursing homes generate a lot of service jobs that tend to redistribute wealth. Most of them are dependent on government entitlement payments that stop when they die, no inheritance goes to their offspring when they die. | 18:35 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Possible Prophylactic Approach for SARS-CoV-2 Infection by Combination of Melatonin, Vitamin C and Zinc in Animals (83 votes) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33344529/ | https://redd.it/ki6i3y | 18:45 |
| IndoAnon | spybert: We're living in crazy times. Loonies houses were canceled during the 1960s. Instead, we put our parents in institutions | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +13316 cases (now 2.0 million), +628 deaths (now 69842) since a day ago | 19:02 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Suspicions grow that nanoparticles in Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine trigger rare allergic reactions (80 votes) | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions | https://redd.it/ki8nnc | 19:09 |
| de-facto | why dont they go ahead and test those with allergic reactions for PEG allergy? | 20:12 |
| de-facto | scratch their skin and put some PEG onto it, look for an reaction | 20:13 |
| de-facto | or test for antibodies | 20:13 |
| de-facto | or just try out alternatives | 20:14 |
| de-facto | %title https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsanm.0c01834 | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From pubs.acs.org: Polysarcosine-Functionalized Lipid Nanoparticles for Therapeutic mRNA Delivery | ACS Applied Nano Materials | 20:14 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.17.423313v1 | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: A human coronavirus evolves antigenically to escape antibody immunity | bioRxiv | 20:23 |
| LjL | de-facto, well that's not great news but it's what yuriwho has been saying for ages :( | 20:25 |
| louipc | what you need is a virus that can infect the virus | 20:27 |
| de-facto | very nice paper worth a read | 20:39 |
| de-facto | maybe we are observing these effects already with all the news about the mutations? | 20:40 |
| de-facto | antigenic evolution in the SARS-CoV-2 S-protein | 20:41 |
| bray9k[m] | <Leffe[m] "I hope new mutations will keep p"> What if you die? | 20:44 |
| LjL | de-facto, although, some authors of that paper were funded, one by Moderna, the other by Pfizer and AstraZeneca | 20:52 |
| LjL | i'm sure they would want us to want more vaccines :P | 20:52 |
| de-facto | hmm so they should develop a vaccine containing a whole spectrum of S-protein recipe variety reflecting the spread in the phylogenetic tree by antigenic evolution | 20:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'm a bit late for this, but doesn't matter | 20:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | Leffe: this is utterly unacceptable here → "I hope new mutations will keep popping up so we can get rid off as many boomers as possible. We need their houses. We need their jobs. We need their pension money." | 20:58 |
| LjL-Matrix | if you were joking it was a bad joke, if you were not, shame on you | 20:58 |
| LjL-Matrix | bray9k: i don't understand that video | 20:59 |
| LjL | %title https://news.yahoo.com/american-companies-no-longer-pay-123314575.html speaking of shameful acts | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From news.yahoo.com: American companies no longer to pay sick leave to people with Covid | 21:01 |
| bray9k[m] | <LjL-Matrix "bray9k: i don't understand that "> The pandemic is fake. They are manipulating the world with their lies | 21:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | Yeah, okay, no. That's not in scope for this channel either. | 21:02 |
| bray9k[m] | What's in scope | 21:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/blob/master/COVID-19-chat.md might help determine that, but ultimately, whatever the moderators aka me say is acceptable. Discussing the pandemic, discussing science around it, the politics as long as you don't call people names and degenerate into flamewars, and it's okay to talk about depression or stress or other things COVID causes, and support people who have COVID or are afraid | 21:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | of getting it. Saying that something that put the place I live in on its knees with hospitals overflowing is "fake" doesn't help anybody, certainly not those working on it, and not those who have suffered from it | 21:05 |
| de-facto | "Inside this California hospital, a ‘constant battle’ against covid-19" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVwuRvM3h7U <-- warning may contain graphic content | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +574 deaths (now 61474) since 19 hours ago | 21:06 |
| bray9k[m] | <LjL-Matrix "https://github.com/ljl-covid/lin"> Ok. But I think you need to investigate a little bit to understand why some people call it fake. Because it is. I know it's not easy but it's needed. | 21:25 |
| Skunny | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-duetXRVIGzY/X-ItNfHHv6I/AAAAAAAA2vU/dGYspQ9fZPcXcnAt7WkMZ0N7w8zYvjuwQCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-12-22.png | 21:54 |
| Skunny | ideal of how many infections in how many days at my work | 21:55 |
| Skunny | list goes on and not all are reported | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cuba: +142 cases (now 10384), +2 deaths (now 139) since a day ago — Netherlands: +10103 cases (now 710976) since 20 hours ago | 22:04 |
| Snakke | Hi | 23:22 |
| Snakke | 256 and quiet? | 23:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | yes! | 23:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | they waited so long to make sure, too! | 23:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +8013 cases (now 521629), +120 deaths (now 14404) since 23 hours ago — France: +802 deaths (now 61702) since 22 hours ago | 23:56 |
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