libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-01-01

de-facto☆★ HAPPY NEW YEAR 2021 ★☆00:09
BrainstormUpdates for South Africa: +18000 cases (now 1.1 million), +436 deaths (now 28469) since a day ago — Colombia: +16314 cases (now 1.6 million), +304 deaths (now 43213) since a day ago — Netherlands: +9331 cases (now 797542) since 22 hours ago — France: +17023 cases (now 2.6 million) since 22 hours ago00:10
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China clamps down in hidden hunt for coronavirus origins → https://is.gd/3ctH1100:59
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: A breakdown of how life as we knew it changed as New Zealand responded to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/xT0vQy01:48
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Report 42 - Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Lineage B.1.1.7 in England: insights from linking epidemiological and genetic data (80 votes) | https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-42-sars-cov-2-variant/ | https://redd.it/knpj8l02:20
LjLuh-oh, ominous imperial college stuff02:20
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Crowds throng Wuhan, where coronavirus pandemic began, to celebrate New Year → https://is.gd/qI1Ue702:24
kara[m]It seems like the reinfection aren't thatttttt much of a problem?02:37
LjLkara[m], what makes you say so? my impression is that they are simply not very well monitored. i think they could be more frequent than the "rare" label they're given02:39
KREYREEN%cases USA02:39
BrainstormKREYREEN: In Belgorod, Russia, there have been 21631 confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 252 deaths (1.2% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgorod for time series data.02:39
LjLlol02:39
LjLtry US02:39
KREYREENrofl02:39
KREYREENhow do i always break everything02:39
KREYREENaaaaa02:39
LjLnah you didn't02:39
KREYREENo.o02:40
KREYREEN%cases US02:40
BrainstormKREYREEN: In Belgorod, Russia, there have been 21631 confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 252 deaths (1.2% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgorod for time series data.02:40
LjLor maybe you did!02:40
KREYREENaaaaaaaaaaaaa02:40
LjLor more likely i did02:40
LjLlet me look into this02:40
KREYREENDON'T CHALLENGE MY TALENT02:40
KREYREENxD02:40
LjL:P02:40
KREYREENLjL, so how much did Trump pay ya02:42
KREYREEN:P02:42
LjLoh if only02:42
LjLi think the reason is just that in the new data, it's not "US" but "United States", but the bot translates all the possible names for it into "US" because it was like that in the old data. then since it can't find "US", it gives you the first entry it finds that contains the letters "us"02:43
LjL%cases US02:43
BrainstormLjL: In United States, there have been 20.1 million confirmed cases (6.1% of the population) and 348007 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 29 minutes ago. 253.5 million tests were performed (7.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States for time series data.02:43
LjLshooould be fixed02:44
KREYREENyaaay02:44
KREYREEN%cases USA02:44
BrainstormKREYREEN: In United States, there have been 20.1 million confirmed cases (6.1% of the population) and 348007 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 29 minutes ago. 253.5 million tests were performed (7.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States for time series data.02:44
LjLmaybe i should also special-case things that start with "United" (and what else?) to have a "the" prepended...02:45
KREYREEN~~%cases kreyren to open up brno, czech republic~~02:46
KREYREEN%cases The United States of America02:46
BrainstormKREYREEN: Sorry, The United States of America not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.02:46
KREYREENheh~02:46
KREYREENWhat's the covid-19 situation in north korea anyway? They seem to all have mask in https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=M-EYy1tc52402:56
LjLKREYREEN, hard to know02:58
LjLofficially i presume there are still no cases02:59
LjLunofficially there are scary stories circulating02:59
KREYREENlike what?02:59
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +6992 cases (now 797552) since 23 hours ago03:02
LjLKREYREEN, meh i don't want to perpetuate a game of chinese whispers. they're just stories, it's impossible for me to tell how much they are grounded in reality. i shouldn't have mentioned it. but googling would probably give you stories, if you want stories03:06
KREYREENhmm O.o03:07
kara[m]how many increases in infectivity has covid had? i think 2?03:31
LjLkara[m], i would say that too, although prominent people disagree03:59
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: More infectious COVID-19 strain found in Florida -state officials → https://is.gd/vvpYHx04:01
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Fast-spreading U.K. virus variant raises alarms (80 votes) | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6524/9.full | https://redd.it/knyl7t04:02
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add Imperial College paper on the VOC (UK variant) → https://is.gd/NNRTDg04:25
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +22716 cases (now 1.7 million), +932 deaths (now 34104) since 21 hours ago04:31
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: WHO clears coronavirus vaccine for emergency use → https://is.gd/yMZ3Rq04:38
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Police in Wisconsin say they’ve arrested fired hospital employee suspected of intentionally spoiling COVID-19 vaccine (10351 votes) | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/police-in-wisconsin-say-theyve-arrested-fired-hospital-employee-suspected-of-intentionally-spoiling-covid-19-vaccine/2020/12/31/fe7a30b6-4bb2-11eb-97b6-4eb9f72ff46b_story.html?outputType=amp | https://redd.it/knz4vj04:39
BrainstormNew from NPR: Florida Becomes 3rd U.S. State To Identify New Coronavirus Variant: "The individual is a male in his 20s with no history of travel. The Department is working with the CDC on this investigation," Florida Department of Health officials announced Thursday. → https://is.gd/rJC1FM04:50
kara[m]LjL: thanks for reply!. i expect 2 infectivity mutations 202104:55
LjLlet's not push 2021, i'm sure it's perfectly capable of freaking us out without our help04:56
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China is guarding ancient bat caves against journalists and scientists seeking to discover the origins of the coronavirus → https://is.gd/fQjGng05:15
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +2254 cases (now 646496), +87 deaths (now 19528) since a day ago06:53
BrainstormUpdates for Florida, United States: +17192 cases (now 1.3 million), +127 deaths (now 21673) since 23 hours ago — New York, United States: +15393 cases (now 978783), +143 deaths (now 37983) since 23 hours ago — Georgia, United States: +11709 cases (now 666452), +88 deaths (now 10934) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?]07:18
KREYREENany info on zinc being helpful agains covid-19 ?07:56
KREYREENsays there ain't any good evidence agains covid-19 07:58
KREYREENwas wondering why07:58
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT+: Indian regulators are pushed to release Covid-19 vaccine trial protocol: Consumer groups are urging drug regulators in India to release key documents on a Covid-19 vaccine from the Serum Institute of India. → https://is.gd/4tBHdt08:06
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +25848 cases (now 1.7 million) since 20 hours ago08:33
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Covid: 12-week vaccine gap defended by UK medical chiefs: The UK will now leave a 12-week gap between both parts of the Covid vaccination, rather than 21 days. → https://is.gd/zFQNuu08:43
BrainstormNew from Il Sole 24 Ore: Salute: Coronavirus, il ricercatore italiano e il vaccino etico prodotto a Cuba → https://is.gd/njdSL408:55
BrainstormUpdates for Falkland Is.: +6 cases (now 29) since 16 days ago08:57
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 01, 2021: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/HIJ4lx09:07
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19 kills 26 in Belgian care home after Santa Claus visit → https://is.gd/zeOv7W09:19
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China's Wuhan Boasts Packed Crowds Greeting New Year as Countries Languish Under Covid-19 Lockdowns → https://is.gd/UxKMpb09:45
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Wisconsin pharmacist arrested on charges of sabotaging COVID vaccine doses → https://is.gd/IpJojZ09:57
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Anti-vaccine sentiment rife in Poland → https://is.gd/26z6AR10:09
DocScrutinizer05gosh, I'm glad my client holds topics in history, for >>SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus pandemic news and chat, also at #covid-19:matrix.org | "%cases <region or country>" for cases (but preferably use Brainstorm and CovBot in PM) | Graphs: https://offloop.net/covid19/ | Resources: https://covid19.specops.network | Too many bots and news for you? Try ##coronavirus | Not enough? Try ##covid-ticker and ##coronalinks | Science in general? ##11:09
DocScrutinizer05science<<11:09
DocScrutinizer05anyway happy 2021 :-)11:10
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fresh fears for Tokyo Olympics as host city sees surge in Covid-19 infections → https://is.gd/lMKdTi11:10
DocScrutinizer05hardly ever before there been a new year with so much hope for getting better than last one11:11
BrainstormUpdates for Lithuania: +3324 cases (now 143903), +131 deaths (now 1589) since a day ago11:20
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Under pandemic pressure, drugmakers raise prices: Report → https://is.gd/yc0G9p11:47
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: mRNA Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19 Disease and Reported Allergic Reactions: Current Evidence and Approach (81 votes) | https://www.jaci-inpractice.org/article/S2213-2198(20)31411-2/abstract | https://redd.it/knz35u12:05
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +25881 cases (now 1.7 million) since 23 hours ago12:10
BrainstormNew from PubMed: Preventive health service use among survivors of adolescent and young adult cancer: Preventive health screenings are essential for survivors of adolescent and young adult (AYA) cancer survivors, who are at greater risk for non-cancer related death compared to individuals without a history of cancer. However, little research exists [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/b5Czln12:24
DocScrutinizer05did we already collect https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet to the URLs?12:32
DocScrutinizer05%title12:32
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DocScrutinizer05o.O12:32
DocScrutinizer05.title12:32
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DocScrutinizer05%title https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet12:33
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DocScrutinizer05LjL: ping12:33
de-facto.title https://www.who.int/news/item/31-12-2020-who-issues-its-first-emergency-use-validation-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-and-emphasizes-need-for-equitable-global-access12:59
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de-facto"WHO issues its first emergency use validation for a COVID-19 vaccine and emphasizes need for equitable global access"13:00
de-facto"The World Health Organization (WHO) today listed the Comirnaty COVID-19 mRNA vaccine for emergency use, making the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine the first to receive emergency validation from WHO since the outbreak began a year ago."13:03
de-facto"Regulatory experts convened by WHO from around the world and WHO’s own teams reviewed the data on the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine’s safety, efficacy and quality as part of a risk-versus-benefit analysis. The review found that the vaccine met the must-have criteria for safety and efficacy set out by WHO, and that the benefits of using the vaccine to address COVID-19 offset potential risks."13:04
de-factohttps://extranet.who.int/pqweb/vaccines/who-recommendation-covid-19-mrna-vaccine-nucleoside-modified-comirnaty%C2%AE13:06
de-facto"WHO recommendation COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (nucleoside modified) - COMIRNATY®"13:06
de-factohttps://extranet.who.int/pqweb/sites/default/files/documents/EUL_Covid-19_comirnaty_%20vaccine-card-2020.pdf13:06
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Year's Eve revellers fined by police for breaking UK Covid rules → https://is.gd/HJMuMj13:12
de-factoRKI COVID-19 Germany (new years rep.): Weekly Incidence 141.9/100k, Infections +22924 (1742661 total), Fatalities +553 (33624 total), COVID@ICU 5577 (incl. 3113 on ventilators)13:15
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Officials: Evidence of UK virus strain found in Florida man: Florida health authorities late Thursday reported finding evidence of the latest U.S. case of the new and apparently more contagious coronavirus strain first seen in England, saying it was detected in a man with no recent travel history. → https://is.gd/XI8WNJ13:36
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Guinea uses Russian COVID-19 vaccine on some officials: Guinea began vaccinating against COVID-19 with the Russian Sputnik V vaccine on an experimental basis, starting with government officials, authorities said Thursday. → https://is.gd/lF51I713:49
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: UK approaches one million vaccinated as cases surge: Britain said Thursday that it had vaccinated almost 950,000 people, as a surge in coronavirus cases prompted the reopening of field hospitals and warnings not to party on New Year's Eve. → https://is.gd/TyCm6l14:01
BrainstormUpdates for UAE: +1856 cases (now 209678), +2 deaths (now 671) since a day ago14:07
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: A death #Every10Minutes: LA begs revelers to avoid NYE gatherings: "A mother," "a cancer patient," "someone who loved the rain": Los Angeles health officials tweeted every 10 minutes Thursday to mark the deaths of a coronavirus victim, as they implored people not to go out on New Year's Eve. → https://is.gd/Dilcgh14:14
DocScrutinizer05so BNT162b2 got a proper real life name now? 14:18
DocScrutinizer05de-facto: btw sheet name seems not to always update, or complete xlsx doesn't14:19
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: WHO grants 'emergency validation' to Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine: The World Health Organization on Thursday granted emergency validation to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, paving the way for countries worldwide to quickly approve its import and distribution. → https://is.gd/MUMSax14:27
de-factoDocScrutinizer05, hmm interesting14:37
de-factofor me it works, they have updated to the sheet name to 31.12.2014:40
de-facto ts="$(date +%s)"; now="$(date +%d.%m.%y)"; prev="$(date --date="-1 day" +%d.%m.%y)"; wget -qO "Impfquotenmonitoring-${now}-${ts}.xlsx" "https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Impfquotenmonitoring.xlsx?__blob=publicationFile" ; xlsx2csv --sheetname "${prev}" "Impfquotenmonitoring-${now}-${ts}.xlsx" | sed -E 's/,/\t/g;/Gesamt/q' | tee "Impfquotenmonitoring-${now}-${ts}.tsv"14:40
de-factobut that very much may depend on time of day14:40
de-factounfortunately they dont seem to have a history, e.g. no 30.12.20 in their sheets14:41
de-factohence my intend to archive14:41
de-factoVaccinations Germany 2020-30-12: Baden-Württemberg: 12649; Bayern: 28206; Berlin: 9084; Brandenburg: 3036; Bremen: 1691; Hamburg: 2040; Hessen: 15674; Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 11101; Niedersachsen: 2705; Nordrhein-Westfalen: 19930; Rheinland-Pfalz: 4247; Saarland: 2119; Sachsen: 2653; Sachsen-Anhalt: 10100; Schleswig-Holstein: 5581; Thüringen: 810; Total: 13162614:51
de-factoerr i meant 2020-12-30 ofc14:52
de-factoVaccinations Germany 2020-12-31: Baden-Württemberg: 17086; Bayern: 37955; Berlin: 11114; Brandenburg: 3219; Bremen: 1741; Hamburg: 2759; Hessen: 21373; Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 11494; Niedersachsen: 3566; Nordrhein-Westfalen: 24924; Rheinland-Pfalz: 5112; Saarland: 2716; Sachsen: 3290; Sachsen-Anhalt: 11146; Schleswig-Holstein: 7270; Thüringen: 810; Total: 16557514:52
de-factoDocScrutinizer05, so we might make a graph from those, probably dividing by the federal states population sizes e.g from https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Bevoelkerungsstand/Tabellen/bevoelkerung-nichtdeutsch-laender.html14:54
de-factooh found something even more interesting, population by age group https://www.destatis.de/DE/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2020/12/PD20_N082_122.html14:58
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: EXPLAINER: Should vaccine volunteers now get the real thing?: Tens of thousands of Americans have volunteered to test COVID-19 vaccines, but only about half of them got the real thing during trials. → https://is.gd/BSqaHI15:04
BrainstormNew from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: R to @firefoxx66: This is a variant with no evidence of increased transmissibility, during a time when global travel is severely depressed.20A.EU1's movement across Europe & the world show how effectively & efficiently #SARSCoV2 #COVID19 can [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/nqBDKj15:16
de-factoDocScrutinizer05, https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/f5747c89149941e7b01bb82d328e3a1415:21
de-factomade a proper TSV from their Data15:21
DocScrutinizer05nice15:22
de-factomaybe cols should be ordered differently e.g. total first15:26
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Large population study identifies drugs associated with reduced COVID-19 severity (89 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.13.20211953v2 | https://redd.it/ko8qy315:31
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +38 deaths (now 7662) since 21 hours ago15:53
BrainstormUpdates for Senegal: +224 cases (now 19364) since a day ago — Gibraltar: +172 cases (now 2212) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +5990 cases (now 803509), +68 deaths (now 11495) since 23 hours ago17:01
de-facto.title https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-42-sars-cov-2-variant/17:02
BrainstormAttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'replace' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/title.py", line 31, in title)17:02
de-facto"Report 42 - Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Lineage B.1.1.7 in England: insights from linking epidemiological and genetic data"17:03
de-factohttps://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/mrc-gida/2020-12-31-COVID19-Report-42-Preprint-VOC.pdf17:03
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: Rashtrapati Bhavan museum to reopen from January 5 → https://is.gd/Hbg1QW17:19
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: High dose vitamin D improves total serum antioxidant capacity and ICU outcome in critically ill patients - a randomized, double-blind clinical trial (83 votes) | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1876382020314529 | https://redd.it/koc5za17:37
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fauci says mandatory COVID-19 vaccines possible for travel, school → https://is.gd/w0bXzA17:43
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: 'Nail-biting' weeks ahead for NHS, hospitals in England warn → https://is.gd/YfyQ8F17:55
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +69455 cases (now 2.5 million), +898 deaths (now 74125) since 23 hours ago — Italy: +22210 cases (now 2.1 million), +462 deaths (now 74621) since 23 hours ago18:28
JigsyO_o18:43
Jigsy70,000 cases!?18:43
LjLDocScrutinizer05, de-facto: whoops. an aborted attempt to make %title use nitter instead of twitter ended up in forgetting a bad line in the code.18:45
LjLJigsy, that may not match the official numbers. Covidly calculates the numbers in its own way, and then Brainstorm also looks at a 24 hour window, so there may be days with fewer cases than the official count, and days with more18:46
LjLthat said, you have a lot of cases anyway :(18:46
JigsyYeah...18:46
JigsyAnd the schools start again next week.18:46
JigsyI've come to the conclusion that the government is secretly doing the "herd immunity" thing again.18:47
LjLwhat an awfully bad idea18:47
LjLwell maybe they know they cannot get the vaccine around in time ;(18:47
de-factoin some areas around London there are >1200 weekly infection per 100k citizens18:47
JigsyWhile doing some half-assed attempt of "controlling" the situation as an illusion.18:47
LjLi remember seeing something saying the UK would need 2 million vaccinations a week to "outpace" the virus... but i didn't read whatever was behind the headline, and later i couldn't find it again in my logs18:47
JigsySomeone told me that they did 200,000 a week.18:48
LjLjust a few days ago this was barely higher than italy's maximum https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom;Italy&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes18:48
JigsyWhile Israel did 150,000 in one day.18:48
LjLJigsy, that sounds plausible, i think Germany was expecting to get a little shy of 500k a week18:49
de-factoIsrael does very very well https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations18:49
LjLhttps://xkcd.com/2406/18:50
LjLhi, AstraZeneca ;(18:50
de-factoVaccinations in Percent: Israel: 11.55; Bahrain:  3.45; Scotland:  1.69; Northern Ireland:  1.64; United Kingdom: 1.47; Iceland:  1.43; England:  1.40; Wales:  1.12; United States:  0.84; Denmark:  0.51; China:  0.31; Canada:  0.26; Germany:  0.20; Estonia: 0.19; Croatia:  0.19; Luxembourg:  0.19; Portugal:  0.16; World: 0.13; ...18:50
LjL...18:51
LjL...18:51
LjLItaly: 0.0000118:51
de-facto0.0518:52
LjLat least we're better than France18:52
LjLwhen everything's going wrong, you can sometimes find some comfort in being better than France18:53
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Some 2,500 partygoers attended an illegal New Year rave in northwestern France, violently clashing with police who failed to stop it and sparking concern the underground event could spread the coronavirus. The revellers had set up the illegal rave in Lieuron in Brittany after skirmishes with police → https://is.gd/VxNohE18:56
de-factoLjL, its the very begin of vaccinations so things really might be changing quickly18:56
de-factoyet i have to admit i do envy Israel a bit with their very fast progression18:57
LjLi bet small countries will tend to get higher coverage faster18:57
de-factoyeah18:58
de-factoIsrael got 8.8M citizens18:58
de-factobtw data seems to be at https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data/vaccinations19:01
de-factoalso in their main dataset at https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/blob/master/public/data/owid-covid-data.csv19:02
LjLyes yes i know they have data, i linked to their json before, and i get your hint ;P19:04
LjLactually i think they have CSV and JSON somewhere else on their *main* site instead of github19:05
LjLthose may be better because i think the github ones are only updated once a day19:05
LjLthe other ones might be updated more often19:05
LjLnamely https://covid.ourworldindata.org/data/owid-covid-data.csv and https://covid.ourworldindata.org/data/owid-covid-data.json19:06
LjL(well, i'm sure vaccinations aren't updated more often than once a day, but the rest might be)19:06
de-factoyeah could make sense employ their upstream19:09
LjLuff, https://covid.ourworldindata.org/data/owid-covid-data.json is annoying, because it doesn't provided the total data in a predictable place but instead i must hunt for the "latest day"19:10
de-factobtw https://covid.ourworldindata.org/data/owid-covid-data.csv is the same than the one from github (same md5)19:11
LjLah19:11
LjLmaybe i will use the csv, it looks easier19:11
Jigsy3>500 partygoers attended an illegal New Year rave in northwestern France19:11
JigsyAnyone who does or goes to these things should forfeit any medical treatement.19:12
LjLand enroll for psychiatric treatment :P19:12
JigsyI mean during the pandemic.19:12
de-factothere should be a list for such people, that they loose any medical treatments when participating in such events19:12
JigsyThey catch something? Well, sucks to be them.19:12
LjLbut no personally i think they should be treated anyway19:12
LjLwe don't make people forfeit treatment for taking part in extreme sports. health is a constitutional right here.19:13
LjLdo i think they are idiots? hell yes19:13
de-factojson also is the same as in github19:13
LjLbut i don't think idiocy should be ground for what could be a death sentence19:13
de-factothe difference is that they risk the health of others with their behavior19:13
de-factoif they do extreme sports and break their neck its their own risk19:14
LjLif they do extreme sports, hurt themselves bad, and get admitted to ER with the highest priority, then someone else comes into the same ER with something also very serious, they may delay treatment because they are treating the one who did extreme sports and they only have enough doctors on call for one person19:15
JigsyI think sports are somewhat different.19:15
JigsySame with workplace hazards.19:16
JigsyPartying isn't really a sport, though. :P19:16
de-factowell that would be the case if ER is full yes, but normally they always have spare capacity19:16
de-factobut yeah the solidarity of others paying for their risky sports may be debatable, yet its not the health of the public they do risk with such extreme sports, quite in contrast to promoting the spread of a potential deadly pathogen19:17
de-factoi do think there is a fundamental difference between those two scenarios19:18
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +4550 cases (now 582596) since 23 hours ago19:19
LjLi also think there is a fundamental difference, i just don't think it warrants denying medical treatment19:23
LjLif their party is legally banned during this time, then fine them19:23
LjLideally as a proportion of their wealth since fixed fines are only a deterrent for people not rich enough to pay them. maybe we'll learn that from Switzerland at some poitn19:24
de-factothen they should at least all be forced into a strict 2 week quarantine and pay for the costs plus a big fine19:25
de-factoregardless if they test positive or not19:26
LjLi can agree with that19:26
LjLspeaking of compromises, the video in the topic has some merit imo19:26
LjLpffft i think ultimately both Covidly and OWID are updated daily (in the case of Covidly not at the same time for all countries, but still only daily)19:28
LjLwith tinwhiskers' data, i had them more frequent than daily19:28
LjLbut he probably scraped the actual website19:28
de-factoafaik he said something like 15 minutes or such 19:31
de-factonot sure which source exactly19:31
LjLde-facto, he was using, at least mainly, OWID for the "primary" source and Covidly for the "alternative" data19:38
LjLde-facto, the thing is, iirc, OWID updates more often than just once a day if you look at the data on its website. but it dumps them into their csv/json only once a day19:39
LjLde-facto, or, wait worldometers19:43
de-factoyeah i havent watched their upstream updates, but probably could be seein by their commit history19:46
de-factonot sure about covidly or worldometers19:47
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Illegal New Year party at Essex church broken up → https://is.gd/SjiLmV19:58
BrainstormUpdates for Ireland: +1753 cases (now 93532), +11 deaths (now 2248) since a day ago20:15
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pfizer and BioNTech speed up timeline for offering Covid-19 to placebo volunteers: Pfizer and its partner BioNTech plan to start offering their Covid-19 vaccine to clinical trial volunteers who received placebo several months earlier than initially planned. → https://is.gd/KMyRuU20:23
BrainstormNew from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: Isabella has taken the thoughts right out of my brain. This has been turning over my head all day! Let's make these vaccines our best chance out, and ensure we do all we can to ensure they're successful!#SARSCoV2 #COVID19 → https://is.gd/9INdds21:00
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: India approves Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for emergency use in major breakthrough for Covid fightback (10136 votes) | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-covid-vaccine-oxford-astrazeneca-b1781201.html | https://redd.it/koas3221:03
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK to close all London primary schools as coronavirus cases surge → https://is.gd/6qWL5e21:49
de-factothankfully they do close schools there21:57
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +8701 cases (now 806243), +101 deaths (now 11528) since 22 hours ago — France: +13196 cases (now 2.6 million), +128 deaths (now 64719) since 22 hours ago22:13
de-factoEmma Hodcroft also seems to worry about the thing i constantly keep mentioning: having uncontrolled high level community transmission (with circulation of several new variants) while starting vaccination with modified schemes (leading to partial immunity) in a large proportion may be a very bad idea22:15
de-factowe really do have to avoid viral replication under selective immunologic pressure that is not enough to neutralize replication22:16
de-factootherwise we basically are asking for escape mutants to knock at our door22:16
de-factowell actually Emma just said she is thinking about this and that we should make sure that we get our best chances out of the vaccines22:20
de-factoso she does not seem to be sure enough to make a definite statement22:20
de-factohaving partial immunity and SARS-CoV-2 replication in the same host, how does this influence the probability of Escape mutants occuring: decreased probability because immune response might need less time until it stopped replication or increased probability because there is selection pressure right from beginning (but not enough for sterilizing immunity)?22:23
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'Exceptionally draining': US medics shattered by Covid elated to be in New Zealand. → https://is.gd/DNojkF23:02
gigasu_shidawhat is partial immunity?23:10
LjLgigasu_shida, it's immunity that prevents you from getting some severe form of the disease, but doesn't prevent you from getting it or at least testing positive asymptomatically23:11
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China is guarding ancient bat caves against journalists and scientists seeking to discover the origins of the coronavirus → https://is.gd/fROXvo23:14
kara[m]Any word on the reinfection rate?23:27
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +2452 cases (now 583164) since 23 hours ago23:27

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