| LjL | Lombardy has a semi-new regional government. still same party (League), but they finally realized the people were too inept and they needed to get new people, especially now that we're the worst region in terms of vaccine deployment | 00:17 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Mozambique: +879 cases (now 21361), +6 deaths (now 187) since a day ago | 00:19 |
| ubLIX[m] | ineptitude, you say? | 00:19 |
| ubLIX[m] | “Facing it, always facing it, that’s the way to get through. Face it.” | 00:20 |
| ubLIX[m] | https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/coronavirus/2021/01/devi-sridhar-uk-needs-zero-covid-strategy-prevent-endless-lockdowns | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Do I need to wear a mask in my vehicle? Gov says yes. → https://is.gd/c7Rlcw | 00:23 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], speaking of telling people to not go abroad, i just saw a Ryanair commercial on TV for... the first time in a long time | 00:31 |
| LjL | they are like "take a holiday next spring and don't worry if you have to change the dates, you are covered" | 00:32 |
| ubLIX[m] | ... | 00:36 |
| ubLIX[m] | the comment thread of the reddit link for that article: https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/ktoqdz/devi_sridhar_the_uk_needs_a_zerocovid_strategy_to/ | 00:42 |
| ubLIX[m] | lol: "The best time to (plant a tree) go for a 0 COVID strategy was 10 (years) months ago, the next best time is today." | 00:43 |
| gigas_cedar | when was the last time you flew ubLIX[m] ? | 00:43 |
| ubLIX[m] | gieroi: about 14 years ago | 00:44 |
| gigas_cedar | ahh nice | 00:44 |
| gigas_cedar | you're not one of the global vectors | 00:44 |
| ubLIX[m] | number of social encounters since Feb 2020: 0 | 00:45 |
| gigas_cedar | lol wow | 00:45 |
| ubLIX[m] | unless you call telephone and irc a social encounter, which i guess it is | 00:45 |
| gigas_cedar | humanity used to be able to blame fleas and rats for their pandemics | 00:45 |
| gigas_cedar | now we have no one to blame but humanity itself | 00:46 |
| ubLIX[m] | sry gieroi, bad tab highlight | 00:47 |
| LjL | this which i got from Brainstorm's crossposted link is pretty ridiculous https://old.reddit.com/r/NoNewNormal/comments/ktndty/do_i_need_to_wear_a_mask_in_my_vehicle_gov_says/ but it's beaten in ridiculousness by many of the comments | 00:55 |
| ubLIX[m] | but the motivating sentiment.. putting a mask on when you leave home, and removing it when you return home, is sensible in an uncomplicated way compared to taking it off and stuffing it in a pocket 15 times between leaving and returning home | 01:03 |
| LjL | road to hell vs good intentions | 01:03 |
| LjL | see also: how much masks fog glasses | 01:04 |
| LjL | totally safe for driving | 01:04 |
| ubLIX[m] | yes, they really should have mandated prescription swimming goggles for all glasses-wearing drivers! | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Vaccine rollout hits snag as health workers balk at shots → https://is.gd/OptTro | 01:11 |
| _io_ | why don't they want it | 01:15 |
| LjL | same reason as other people, health workers aren't really any wiser in terms of anti-vax and stuff | 01:16 |
| LjL | plus let's admit it, these vaccines *are* going to be potentially more dangerous, and certainly more side-effectey in simple but annoying ways, than most other vaccines we use | 01:17 |
| LjL | it's easy to counter-argue that COVID is more dangerous, but... | 01:17 |
| LjL | i don't know, i find that if i try to only associate with people who make the exact same risk/benefit assessments as me, i end up with no one | 01:18 |
| LjL | (trust me, i checked) | 01:18 |
| LjL | and these media articles don't even help at all | 01:20 |
| LjL | Stormy Tatom, 30, a hospital ICU nurse in Beaumont, Texas, said she decided against getting vaccinated for now “because of the unknown long-term side effects.” | 01:20 |
| LjL | “I would say at least half of my coworkers feel the same way,” Tatom said. | 01:20 |
| LjL | There have been no signs of widespread severe side effects from the vaccines, and scientists say the drugs have been rigorously tested on tens of thousands and vetted by independent experts. | 01:20 |
| LjL | ... you dumbos at yahoo!, have you considered that while, yes, the "long-term side effect" worry is very standard and a bit boring, you can't invalidate by saying there have been "no signs" and they have been "rigorously tested" | 01:21 |
| LjL | because their concern is about LONG-TERM and they haven't been tested LONG-TERM | 01:21 |
| LjL | maybe it's an invalid concern but if you don't even SEE it, you're certainly just going to be befuddled | 01:21 |
| LjL | anyway at some point vaccination will just be made mandatory | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Millions In China Under New Restrictions Amid COVID-19 Spike Near Beijing: Among the measures are a weeklong stay-at-home order for the cities of Shijiazhuang and Xingtai. A spate of outbreaks in the Hebei province has raised concern for the nearby capital of Beijing. → https://is.gd/MSppMB | 01:23 |
| de-facto | so they should make daily testing before entering the hospital building or elderly care home mandatory then if their workers refuse to get vaccinated | 01:27 |
| de-facto | afaik the immunologic experts say that longterm effects never can be excluded until waiting for ... long time, but that statistically most "long term" effects show up in the first few months already if trial participants size is large enough | 01:28 |
| LjL | well the thing is that with most other vaccines, before the vaccine gets to the public, they *have* waited for a long time | 01:29 |
| de-facto | of course they cant catch every possible (i.e. rare) side effect, but at least the ones that occur with some frequency they should have seen | 01:29 |
| de-facto | yes but thats not an option we have right now | 01:30 |
| de-facto | and even if they have waited for long time, they say the effects already showed in the first months after vaccination hence its not to be expected that the first longterm effects would begin to show after years or such (if not also appearing after months) | 01:31 |
| LjL | well that's what they know from other vaccines but you said yourself they can't *exclude* it | 01:32 |
| LjL | polio (the disease, not the vaccine) can seemingly go away and yet make you semi-paralyzed *decades* later... HIV can take 20 years to show up as AIDS... these are diseases, not vaccines, but in line of principle it's still something messing with your body that can have unforeseen consequences | 01:33 |
| LjL | i sympathize with people who are not outright anti-vax but simply feel apprehensive about these particular vaccines for COVID because they have been rushed. sure, they *had* to be rushed, but they've been rushed nonetheless | 01:33 |
| LjL | at the same time, when it comes to healthcare workers, they probably should either get it, or take a very long holiday | 01:33 |
| de-facto | well with all medical procedures you would have to deal with probabilities, you never can exclude it but you can be confident about probabilities when basing decisions on evidence by statistics with significant results | 01:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China Grudgingly Concedes India's Covid-19 Vaccines Are Good → https://is.gd/ztoUT1 | 01:35 |
| LjL | well, let's see, with both Pfizer and Moderna there have been at least 3 Bell's palsy cases against at most 1 in placebo. small numbers, but it happened in both trials, and the FDA etc "will monitor it", but meanwhile they swept it under the rug by saying that it's compatible with natural incidence... except it's only "compatible" if you stretch probabilities by, like, a lot | 01:35 |
| LjL | so i expect Bell's palsy will be a side effect of the mRNA vaccine that we see, and it's not a life-threatening one but it's pretty serious, and maybe it would be better if authorities were more upfront about the risk existing but being reasonably low, instead of being like "meeeh it's probably just natural occurrences" | 01:36 |
| de-facto | yes and they do monitor those, afaik they did not stop to collect data | 01:38 |
| LjL | of course they're collecting data, but that's orthogonal with my point about being upfront on the risk | 01:39 |
| de-facto | i would oppose to above comparison to HIV or Polio in regards to longterm effects, those are diseases and the mRNA vaccines dont contain viruses but rather mRNA that very quickly degrades (hours to days at most) hence vanishes, so the thing it leaves behind is the reaction to the S-protein (and thats the wanted effect) | 01:39 |
| de-facto | but yes i agree those Bell's palsy cases have to be monitored and investigated further as well as those allergy reactions | 01:40 |
| de-facto | but they showed up now, not years after vaccination | 01:40 |
| de-facto | thats what i wanted to say, its unlikely that effects would *begin* to show after years and not be seen alread after months or even weeks | 01:41 |
| LjL | well no polio virus is found in the patients who have those reactions decades later | 01:42 |
| LjL | it's not exactly clear what causes them, there are theories | 01:42 |
| de-facto | we have to very carefully look at the statistic, because we will read about all sorts of weird sideeffects just because so many people will get the vaccine | 01:42 |
| LjL | yes, it's unlikely, just far from impossible | 01:42 |
| de-facto | thats what i am trying to say, we have to look at the probabilities to determine the likelihood of potential sideeffects, if they show up in more people its a sideeffect, but some cases currently reported in the media will remain anecdotal and i think its very unlikely that first occurrence of non-anecdotal additional side effects would only begin to show after years | 01:47 |
| de-facto | this probably is one of the most tightly monitored vaccination campaigns with a lot of participants (hence also show very rare sideeffects) | 01:48 |
| de-facto | but i agree the monitoring should go on in a transparent way | 01:48 |
| de-facto | all i wanted to say is that i dont fear longterm effects (after years) that could be missed now | 01:48 |
| de-facto | i think its much much more likely to have longterm effect from a disease that attacks a certain type of cells (e.g. polio attacking and decimating nerve cells, or SARS-CoV-2 doing whatever is its thing causing long covid) than from a vaccine that does not "go after a certain type of cells" but only provoke an immune reaction from hijacking some (very few) muscle cells | 01:56 |
| de-facto | sure if that immune reaction would be directed against the host it would be bad and longterm, but id assume autoimmune reactions should be seen when the immune reaction to the vaccination forms because later the stimulus from those cells expressing the S-protein antigen is gone | 01:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Rapid tests for asymptomatic people to be rolled out: People who cannot work from home should be prioritised for rapid tests in England, the government says. → https://is.gd/2EJwCW | 01:59 |
| de-facto | (thats my perception, im a not an expert in those) | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chad: +91 cases (now 2510), +1 deaths (now 107) since a day ago — Saint Lucia: +43 cases (now 438) since a day ago | 02:10 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> /r/coronavirus: Pfizer “ready to release millions of doses each day” in response to Biden proposal, says spokeswoman (1030 votes)https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ktysdz/pfizer_ready_to_release_millions_of_doses_each/gip444k/?context=3 ← i suspect this may mean fewer doses for the EU since we weren't smart enough to say "yes" to their 500 million offer in time | 02:25 |
| de-facto | huh? they EU bought additional 300M | 02:28 |
| de-facto | LjL, https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/statement-regarding-european-commissions-proposal-purchase | 02:28 |
| de-facto | "The amendment being discussed is for a firm order for an additional 200 million doses of COMIRNATY® to be supplied to the 27 EU member states, with an option for the EC to request an additional 100 million doses. This amendment would add to the 300 million doses that have already been committed to the EU through 2021 under the original supply agreement signed last year." | 02:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, when did that happen? i thought we had ordered 200 million total and then leveraged an option for an additional 100 | 02:42 |
| LjL | oh it's still "in talks" | 02:42 |
| LjL | but i bet the price won't be the same as when they had offered 500m originally... | 02:43 |
| de-facto | its brand new i linked it like two days ago or such | 02:46 |
| LjL | well i really hope most Europeans can be vaccinated with Pfizer, and not with that kludge that AZ appears to be | 02:47 |
| LjL | 95% is compelling, 70% with a large CI, not so much | 02:47 |
| de-facto | i think both are fine if given with the correct scheme | 02:52 |
| de-facto | and btw BTN162b2 was developed by BioNTech afaik they paid Pfizer for doing the trials for them and now both seem to produce it, afaik Pfizer in three places in USA and Belgium Puurs ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tozinameran#Manufacturing ) and and BioNTech in Mainz and Marburg ( https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tozinameran#Produktion ) | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Iran cancels Pfizer order after Khamenei bans vaccines from UK and US → https://is.gd/aICbIU | 02:59 |
| LjL | lolk | 03:00 |
| LjL | de-facto, Pfizer is easier to type, plus it sounds like a german word anyway, let's agree that I mean "BioNTech/Pfizer" | 03:01 |
| de-facto | id even guess most of the EU supply of BNT162b2 would originate from BioNTech production | 03:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +381 cases (now 8306), +12 deaths (now 220) since a day ago — France: +15133 cases (now 2.8 million), +126 deaths (now 67625) since 19 hours ago — Netherlands: +5496 cases (now 870479), +102 deaths (now 12322) since 19 hours ago — Germany: +15477 cases (now 1.9 million) since 21 hours ago | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sweden has surpassed the United States in Covid-19 deaths per million people, after Sweden's King Carl Gustaf announced the failure herd immunity strategy → https://is.gd/FcEKbC | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +31 cases (now 2219) since 2 days ago | 04:02 |
| jameshandcockand | Hello | 04:40 |
| jameshandcockand | I was here a couple weeks ago, I had just been diagnosed with covid | 04:40 |
| jameshandcockand | I just wanted to tell everyone that I'm much better now | 04:41 |
| jameshandcockand | I've left quarantine as well | 04:41 |
| de-facto | glad to hear that, hoping this year will become much better | 04:56 |
| de-facto | RKI COVID-19 Germany 2021-01-10 (delayed rep.?): Weekly Incidence 162.2/100k; Infections +16946 (1908527 total), Fatalities +465 (40343 total), COVID@ICU 5388 (incl. 3070 on ventilator) | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1991 cases (now 662694), +46 deaths (now 20038) since 23 hours ago | 06:00 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Pfizer “ready to release millions of doses each day” in response to Biden proposal, says spokeswoman (10020 votes) | https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-01-09-21/h_3aeda90ebffed764340d0a400c62bd30 | https://redd.it/ktysdz | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 705: Rocky Mountain COVID with Emily Travanty: Emily Travanty from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment joins TWiV to discuss how her laboratory was the first in the US to detect the SARS-CoV-2 variant VOC 202012/01. → https://is.gd/8h40Yy | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China, Vietnam shown there is way of dealing with pandemic even in absence of vaccine: IMF → https://is.gd/EVopdu | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Virginia, United States: +5798 cases (now 393715), +69 deaths (now 5381) since 23 hours ago — Amazonas, Brazil: +4198 cases (now 212996), +123 deaths (now 5669) since a day ago — Maryland, United States: +3758 cases (now 303364), +30 deaths (now 6246) since 23 hours ago — Kanagawa, Japan: +999 cases (now 26656), +4 deaths (now 293) since 23 hours ago | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Rapid tests for asymptomatic people to be rolled out: People who cannot work from home should be prioritised for rapid tests in England, the government says. → https://is.gd/2EJwCW | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 10, 2021: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/KsS1eK | 09:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: As coronavirus mutates, the world stumbles again to respond → https://is.gd/WWy6Wc | 09:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: 6-month consequences of COVID-19 in patients discharged from hospital: a cohort study (80 votes) | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32656-8/fulltext | https://redd.it/ktgu8o | 09:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Rapid tests for asymptomatic people to be rolled out: People who cannot work from home should be prioritised for rapid tests in England, the government says. → https://is.gd/2EJwCW | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pope Francis to have COVID-19 vaccine, says it is the ethical choice for all → https://is.gd/Rx0y0V | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Rapid tests for asymptomatic people to be rolled out: People who cannot work from home should be prioritised for rapid tests in England, the government says. → https://is.gd/2EJwCW | 10:13 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: First evidence of reinfection with VOC-202012/01 (B.1.1.7) (80 votes) | https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab014/6076528 | https://redd.it/ku9e09 | 10:33 |
| joerg | >><de-facto> Snowstorm in Madrid/Spain,<< hah, been there precisely one year ago | 11:36 |
| joerg | >>these vaccines *are* going to be potentially more dangerous, and certainly more side-effectey<< I tend to disagree. attenuated vaccines caused infections by the disease they were supposed to protect from. Definitely won't happen with mRNA vaccines. | 11:46 |
| joerg | >><LjL> ... you dumbos at yahoo!,<< yeah, one of the fallacies that annoys me to no end. another one being the >>mimimi we ordered too few vaccine<< whining | 11:49 |
| joerg | >>its not to be expected that the first longterm effects would begin to show after years or such<< yes, exactly | 11:51 |
| joerg | >>feel apprehensive about these particular vaccines for COVID because they have been rushed<< well, that's part true part fallacy, the test phases have been parallelized but not shortened afaik | 11:53 |
| joerg | threre's one elementary consideration: vaccines act like an attenuated infection, to train the immune system. So except for all adjuvants and vector viruses and lipids and whatnot, the side effects and long term complications to be seen are in no way different from those caused by the infection itself. *IF* there is increased chance for bell's palsy then for sure not any higher than you will see from covid itself | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I don't think the bell's palsy is caused by the mRNA or the lipids, but pretty certainly by the immune reaction | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe even by the spike proteins themselves | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neither the mRNA nor the lipids seem to bear plausible potential to cause palsy | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if only for next to impossible burden of quite a physical distance between point of injection and point of palsy effect | 12:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take the last two statements with a grain of salt, they are my private notion not backed by any quotable research | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CFS, a often referred to known long term side effect of another similar vaccine, been an autoimmune effect you'd expect to also see from the infection itself | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | virus infections are prone to trigger autoimmune disorders | 12:17 |
| genera | https://www.rnd.de/promis/wegen-luca-app-smudo-hofft-auf-anruf-von-drosten-und-spahn-PZTSMKMKANBFBJ7KUVSFKHN6HQ.html seems to be available since last year. i only heard from it today | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why would Drosen call? | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the corona warn-app should finally get upgraded. MASSIVELY upgraded | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it needs a plugin interface and plugins for 1) voluntary donation of additional valuable data like location, health status etc 3) my suggested ultrasound sonar distance meter which is capable to evaluate distance witha precision of down to cm and also detects windows and walls separating you from a nearby contact and 3) stuff like LUCA et al, to facilitate paperwork like restaurant lists | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 4) PM2.5 et al air quality sensors and other ambient condition values to assess the climate situation relevant for virus spreading | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all this would in no way immanently collide with the privacy concerns solved very cleverly in the corona warn app | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "hoping for a call by Drosten" the charite´ chief virologist, for an app, pretty much disqualifies the whole narrative. Drosten is in no way whatsoever responsibe or just qualified to comment or decide on this stuff | 12:44 |
| genera | well this is t-online | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah :-S | 12:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, now the "ordered too few vaccine doses" fallacy narrative comes up in Czech rep. against EU. All those idiots | 12:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who came up with the idea that available amount gets determined by preorders?! | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this feels like the 2020 version of "who poisoned our wells?" | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Leader of Germany's largest anti-lockdown movement, "Querdenken-711," asked supporters to stop protesting until spring. Michael Ballweg's announcement comes after report he shared profits from Querdenken merchandise and directed donations to movement into his personal bank account. → https://is.gd/ru54pe | 13:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +19 deaths (now 8267) since 21 hours ago | 13:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm hoping snce a year for a call and job offer from Merkel to implement my ultrasound distance feature to the warn-app... NOT *really* | 13:18 |
| genera | haha | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Rapid tests for asymptomatic people to be rolled out: People who cannot work from home should be prioritised for rapid tests in England, the government says. → https://is.gd/2EJwCW | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fun trivia: I attended Smudo's fanta4 very very first public performance, in my back when fav pub "Kunstverein" | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UK vaccinating 200,000 a day against coronavirus | World News → https://is.gd/hGabLA | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan finds new COVID strain, distinct from UK and Africa types → https://is.gd/IABeGX | 14:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +19479 cases (now 1.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MEH! @ >>Japan finds new COVID strain<< - really???? | 15:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pope's personal doctor dies from Covid-19 complications → https://is.gd/k6zphZ | 15:26 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Moralization of Covid-19 health response: Asymmetry in tolerance for human costs (80 votes) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7717882/?report=classic | https://redd.it/ktdkkm | 15:54 |
| IndoAnon | LjL: Any chatter about pope? | 16:09 |
| Chico | The pope lost his fate. Thats why he turned over to modern science for a vaccine >P | 16:10 |
| de-facto | why would science and faith in religion be assumed to be incompatible? its 2020 and Pope Francis got a more modern view and that makes him much more credible imho | 16:17 |
| de-facto | well 2021 even | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan detects new COVID-19 mutation similar to the UK & South African strains. → https://is.gd/22oCWD | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Another new coronavirus variant found in Japan. → https://is.gd/AP0Nqu | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for St. Vin. and Gren.: +76 cases (now 225) since 3 days ago | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pope's personal doctor dies from Covid-19 complications → https://is.gd/HvR8jY | 17:02 |
| snake | how do i get a vaccine | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gosh, that media hype about "a new strain found" - without *any* meaningful info, except https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/kue434/japan_finds_new_covid_strain_distinct_from_uk_and/girjwog/ and https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/kue434/japan_finds_new_covid_strain_distinct_from_uk_and/gire08j/ | 17:19 |
| snake | DocScrutinizer05, yeah just block the news out honestly | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 17:20 |
| snake | i block it all out | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that doesn't help much about the world at large going nuts about bullshit | 17:21 |
| snake | mimick me | 17:21 |
| snake | pass it on | 17:21 |
| snake | that will help | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Spike E484K mutation in the first SARS-CoV-2 reinfection case confirmed in Brazil: (topic withdrawn by author, will be automatically deleted in 24 hours unless flagged) 1 post - 1 participant Read full topic → https://is.gd/NV6DC3 | 17:27 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, yeah any idea about the primary source for this? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: no idea, really. >>Japanese minister said...<< | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Popes doctor dies from Covid 19 → https://is.gd/YXPbQd | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +38317 cases (now 3.0 million), +533 deaths (now 81100) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6868 cases (now 874712), +82 deaths (now 12376) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +7976 cases (now 656418), +145 deaths (now 16894) since 23 hours ago | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: I seem to recall it been told that Japan reported to WHO, so maybe look there | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise prolly sth like http://*.gov.jp | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw recommended read: <CoronaBot> /r/covid19: Moralization of Covid-19 health response: Asymmetry in tolerance for human costs (80 votes) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7717882/?report=classic | https://redd.it/ktdkkm | 17:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Pope's personal doctor dies from Covid-19 complications (10262 votes) | https://tbsnews.net/coronavirus-chronicle/popes-personal-doctor-dies-covid-19-complications-183424 | https://redd.it/kud8t5 | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a sidenote at best. No relevant info | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you consider >>pope's request to Hod to please save his personal doctor got ignored<< a newsworthy pun | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | God* even | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any other conclusions from that are totally moot | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it may spark FUD among those who think covid was manageable | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly about efficiency or futility of any NIH | 17:58 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Ivermectin as a potential treatment for mild to moderate COVID-19: A double blind randomized placebo-controlled trial (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.05.21249310v1 | https://redd.it/kug29t | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cuba: +388 cases (now 14576), +3 deaths (now 151) since a day ago — Italy: +18625 cases (now 2.3 million), +361 deaths (now 78755) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +18541 cases (now 1.9 million) since 23 hours ago | 18:12 |
| de-facto | .title https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab014/6076528 | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From academic.oup.com: Confirmed Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 Variant VOC-202012/01 | Clinical Infectious Diseases | Oxford Academic | 18:31 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202101.0132/v1 | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.preprints.org: Genomic Evidence of a Sars-Cov-2 Reinfection Case With E484K Spike Mutation in Brazil[v1] | Preprints | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pope Francis calls opposition to Covid vaccine ‘suicidal denial’ and says he’ll get jab → https://is.gd/tdjfob | 18:40 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 3.1 million confirmed cases (4.6% of the population) and 81287 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 48 minutes ago. 58.9 million tests were performed (5.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 19:00 |
| trayosborne[m] | %cases US | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | trayosborne[m]: In United States, there have been 22.4 million confirmed cases (6.8% of the population) and 376720 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 49 minutes ago. 269.5 million tests were performed (8.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.4% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States for time series data. | 19:02 |
| trayosborne[m] | %cases DE | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | trayosborne[m]: In Bangladesh, there have been 522453 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 7781 deaths (1.5% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 3.4 million tests were performed (15.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Bangladesh for time series data. | 19:02 |
| de-facto | %cases Germany | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Germany, there have been 1.9 million confirmed cases (2.3% of the population) and 41009 deaths (2.1% of cases) as of 50 minutes ago. 35.1 million tests were performed (5.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Nightly curfew for pandemic takes effect across Quebec: A curfew meant to curb a surge in coronavirus infections took effect across Quebec on Saturday evening. → https://is.gd/j6Mdn8 | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Russia confirms first case of new UK virus strain: Moscow on Sunday confirmed its first case of the new UK coronavirus strain, despite an earlier decision by officials to suspend flights from Britain to stop the mutation reaching Russia. → https://is.gd/H3ynmi | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: UK ramps up vaccine rollout, targets every adult by autumn: Britain's health secretary said Sunday that every adult in the country will be offered a COVID-19 vaccine by the autumn as the U.K. ramps up its mass vaccination program amid a huge surge of infections and hospital admissions. → https://is.gd/wjf65W | 20:17 |
| LjL | autumn :( | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Spike E484K mutation in the first SARS-CoV-2 reinfection case confirmed in Brazil, 2020: Spike E484K mutation in the first SARS-CoV-2 reinfection case confirmed in Brazil Authors Paola Cristina Resende1*, João Felipe Bezerra2, Romero Henrique Teixeira de Vasconcelos2, Ighor Arantes3, Luciana Appolinario1, Ana Carolina [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hF2Ijg | 20:29 |
| pugusas | LjL: so will the current vaccines provide coverage for variants? | 20:38 |
| LjL | Pfizer said yes | 20:42 |
| LjL | Of course they meant the current variants... New vaccine-escaping variants are always possible | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New cover-up fears as Chinese officials delete critical data about the Wuhan lab with details of 300 studies vanishing - including all those carried out by virologist dubbed Batwoman → https://is.gd/BR1m9I | 20:52 |
| pugusas | ok thanks | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lesotho: +734 cases (now 5937), +1 deaths (now 85) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +50481 cases (now 3.1 million), +497 deaths (now 81431) since 13 hours ago — France: +162 deaths (now 67694) since 23 hours ago | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Coronavirus: Numbers Rising In Nearly Every State; Capitol Siege Put Members At Risk: The U.S. is reporting more than 271,000 new cases each day. Congress' attending physician says lawmakers who sheltered in place last week may have been exposed to the virus. → https://is.gd/Z3nOMZ | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: One in five in England have had Covid, modelling suggests → https://is.gd/auVqd5 | 22:28 |
| de-facto | endemic if it was 4 in 5 | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Antigua and Barb.: +7 cases (now 176) since a day ago | 23:10 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2-induced remission of Hodgkin lymphoma (80 votes) | https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33386647/ | https://redd.it/kuefxi | 23:21 |
| bn_mobile | Hi | 23:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinian Authority says AstraZeneca vaccines could come in March → https://is.gd/wjU8Ii | 23:52 |
| bn_mobile | Got fed up 😠 with the rubber band constantly breaking 🙄 on this N95 mask 😷 I got a few years ago so modded it and added some Cu (copper) grommets. Should hopefully be more durable now 👍 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Fgxw6ojv/N95_mask_copper_grommet_mod.JPG | 23:52 |
| bn_mobile | + elastic rope from a surgeons mask | 23:53 |
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