| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Portugal is running out of hospital beds across the public and private sectors, the head of its private hospital association said, after a record surge in COVID-19 cases → https://is.gd/3gndsA | 00:27 |
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| Mrbeast[m] | Anymore updates? | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] SOS Brazil: science under attack: As of Jan 21, 2021, Brazil ranks second in number of deaths from COVID-19 and third in number of cases seen in any single country. As a scientist, I tend not to believe in coincidence. In March, 2020, President Jair Bolsonaro referred to COVID-19 as a “gripezinha”,1 a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PhFUft | 00:40 |
| ryouma | this article is being received as being more accurate than many --- https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/21/were-about-to-see-a-wave-of-long-covid-when-will-ministers-take-it-seriously | 00:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Tracking SARS-CoV-2 VOC 202012/01 (lineage B.1.1.7) dissemination in Portugal: insights from nationwide RT-PCR Spike gene drop out data: Thank you. It is important to know that you see the same effect. In our data, the difference in Ct’s seems highly consistent around 6-7. We have just sequenced more “late [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/fwQD3R | 01:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +16366 cases (now 2.1 million) since 22 hours ago | 01:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +35474 cases (now 3.0 million) since 22 hours ago — Spain: +4536 cases (now 2.5 million) since 5 hours ago — Canada: +6529 cases (now 738474) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +8614 cases (now 942298), +95 deaths (now 13432) since 22 hours ago | 01:25 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 3.6 million confirmed cases (5.4% of the population) and 95981 deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 67.2 million tests were performed (5.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer Will Ship Fewer Vaccine Vials to Account for ‘Extra’ Doses → https://is.gd/B4bW1G | 01:53 |
| LjL | what | 01:54 |
| LjL | :| | 01:54 |
| LjL | that's gotta be a joke | 01:54 |
| LjL | first they didn't actually want us to use them | 01:54 |
| LjL | now they cost extra? | 01:54 |
| LjL | > Pfizer’s accounting for the extra dose is already creating controversy in Europe, where some countries — like Belgium — say they have had to cancel vaccination appointments after discovering that Pfizer is sending them fewer vials. “It’s linked to the sixth dose,” Sabine Stordeur, an official overseeing vaccination efforts in Belgium, told the newspaper Le Soir. “It’s still a private company, so one shouldn’t be surprised.” | 01:59 |
| de-facto | LMAO thats what happens if you approve nonsense? | 01:59 |
| LjL | > “Low dead-volume syringes and/or needles can be used to extract six doses from a single vial,” the new U.S. fact sheet read. It also warned, “If standard syringes and needles are used, there may not be sufficient volume to extract a sixth dose from a single vial.” | 02:00 |
| LjL | de-facto, what nonsense was approved though? | 02:00 |
| de-facto | to suckle out a sixth dose with using extra tricks like a zero dead volume syringe and longer needles | 02:01 |
| de-facto | of course now when its officially approved they charge for that because their contract probably goes about doses not vials | 02:02 |
| LjL | yes | 02:02 |
| LjL | i don't think wasting viable vaccine is "nonsense" though | 02:02 |
| LjL | honestly i think the opposite would be | 02:03 |
| de-facto | yeah but why would it need to be approved instead of going with "at least 5 doses, if more why not?" | 02:04 |
| de-facto | anyhow it does not matter | 02:04 |
| de-facto | scaling production does | 02:04 |
| LjL | well i remember at first pharmacists in the US were throwing away the sixth dose because since it wasn't approved, they weren't comfortable with using it, fearing things like a mismatch in the number of second doses, or just... being reprimanded, i guess | 02:05 |
| LjL | so to me, making it clear that it could be used, and should whenever possible, seemed like the right thing to do | 02:05 |
| LjL | and now it would seem the right thing to do for Pfizer to not play tricks over this | 02:05 |
| LjL | who was it that kept saying companies like Pfizer definitely want good publicity, not bad, from their vaccines? | 02:06 |
| LjL | this is not good publicity | 02:06 |
| de-facto | yeah | 02:07 |
| de-facto | we need to have much much more production capacity in parallel | 02:10 |
| de-facto | and then have a feedback loop from sequences to updating polyclonal DNA templates with as short delay as possible | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Nurses call for better masks to protect all staff: Inadequate PPE and a new variant may be putting the lives of nurses at risk, says nursing union. → https://is.gd/BpSGrY | 02:17 |
| Jigsy | I still see idiots not wearing masks outside. | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer to ship fewer vaccine vials to account for ‘extra’ doses → https://is.gd/YGQI1l | 02:29 |
| Jigsy | "But we're outside, fresh air an--" "You're passing by other people, idiot!" | 02:30 |
| raccoon_dog | Yeah, because clearly the virus sees that there's fresh air and that they're outside and refuses to infect other people. /s | 02:30 |
| raccoon_dog | I mean, honestly, some people are not very smart. | 02:30 |
| Jigsy | Indeed. | 02:31 |
| LjL | to be fair, i've read countless "expert opinions" that the chances of infecting others outside are practically nil | 02:32 |
| LjL | i don't know if that's true or not, i wear a mask outside, partly because it's mandatory | 02:33 |
| LjL | but i'm not sure it's fair to blame it all on the people | 02:33 |
| raccoon_dog | I mean, even if that's the case, if you pass by someone for whatever reason (you round a corner and bump into each other), it's still a smart move to keep a mask on. | 02:33 |
| de-facto | thinking of aerosols like cigarette smoke, if one can smell it it obviously went inside the nose and if it was aerosol instead of smoke it could transmit the pathogen (even without smelling anything) | 02:42 |
| de-facto | particle sizes are quite similar hence also fluid dynamics in the air | 02:42 |
| Win7ine | How about incidents where individuals pass through first infection and die a few months later with a second infection | 02:43 |
| de-facto | id assume symptomatic or even dramatic reinfections are much easier to count than asymptomatic reinfections | 02:44 |
| Win7ine | how about immunity obtained during fisrt infection, seems to be nonexistent | 02:46 |
| rahmend[m] | my neighbor has been coughing for 1 month now, why? | 02:46 |
| Win7ine | rahmend: because you are the neighbour | 02:47 |
| rahmend[m] | wdym | 02:47 |
| jacklsw | cough can be other stuffs | 02:48 |
| Win7ine | rahmend: ask your neighbour | 02:48 |
| iz | wacky tabacky | 02:48 |
| rahmend[m] | they mentioned a while back that they got covid | 02:48 |
| Win7ine | well you aswered your own question | 02:49 |
| rahmend[m] | i figure they have an usually long symptomatic period | 02:49 |
| rahmend[m] | if it's still covid, are they still infective? | 02:49 |
| Win7ine | lucky it is not u | 02:49 |
| Win7ine | nobody knows for sure | 02:50 |
| iz | probably depends on how long ago they mentioned they got covid | 02:50 |
| rahmend[m] | <iz "probably depends on how long ago"> i thinkkkk we spoke like 3 wks ago and they said that | 02:51 |
| iz | i mean, i'd still consider them infective then | 02:52 |
| rahmend[m] | i guess 2 wks infecitivity is the average time? | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New UK Covid variant may be 30% more deadly, says Johnson | World news → https://is.gd/2ms9bb | 02:54 |
| iz | yeah, something around there, i think cdc says like 10-20 days | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +63 deaths (now 9034) since 12 hours ago | 02:58 |
| de-facto | the second waves in SouthAfrica and Brazil/Manaus have to be investigated further | 02:59 |
| de-facto | especially with antibody levels decaying under a threshold and also selection of specific variants that might have a replication advantage | 03:00 |
| pigughs | rahmend[m]: most virus shedding is around 5 days from infection | 03:07 |
| rahmend[m] | thanks | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canadian barbershop reopens despite pandemic lockdown using legal loophole: all haircuts are filmed and you've booked an audition. → https://is.gd/msDJA2 | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +49 deaths (now 445) since 7 hours ago | 03:29 |
| LjL | <Win7ine> how about immunity obtained during fisrt infection, seems to be nonexistent ← that is definitely not true. it may be nonexistent in a small number of patients, but it's most definitely existent by and large | 03:31 |
| LjL | also, it may become barely existent if you get infected by a variant that's different enough, but that doesn't mean you don't have immunity | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germany to vaccinate all citizens by end of summer: Merkel → https://is.gd/WNBAsI | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Joe Biden and Mexican president talk migration, coronavirus after nagging tensions → https://is.gd/YeVCqZ | 05:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: More than 100 National Guard in Washington for inauguration test positive for coronavirus: official (10131 votes) | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-military-idUSKBN29R2N2 | https://redd.it/l2ya0a | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Biden, Canada’s Trudeau to meet next month, collaborate on vaccines, medical supplies → https://is.gd/wPHbvf | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: With hospitals in the Mexican capital overwhelmed by soaring coronavirus infections, relatives are queuing for hours to buy oxygen for the growing number of people fighting the virus at home → https://is.gd/KnQwHs | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +2444 cases (now 689271), +55 deaths (now 20675) since 23 hours ago | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Hong Kong imposes first Covid lockdown in Kowloon area → https://is.gd/btAJqh | 06:48 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: The psychosocial impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on 4,378 UK healthcare workers and ancillary staff: initial baseline data from a cohort study collected during the first wave of the pandemic. by Danielle Lamb et al, made available as preprint on 2021-01-22 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.01.21.20240887 [... want %more?] | 07:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: A year after Wuhan lockdown, China reports small rise in COVID-19 cases → https://is.gd/kceAYF | 07:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors → https://is.gd/loNGQp | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Queretaro, Mexico: +970 cases (now 41641), +52 deaths (now 2527) since 11 hours ago — Los Lagos, Chile: +753 cases (now 36642), +6 deaths (now 344) since a day ago — Los Rios, Chile: +258 cases (now 12851), +3 deaths (now 134) since a day ago — Smolensk, Russia: +189 cases (now 20685), +6 deaths (now 414) since a day ago | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: British scientists have warned “emerging evidence” suggests the B.1.1.7 strain of COVID-19 could be 30 per cent more deadly. → https://is.gd/rJOaGS | 07:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors → https://is.gd/loNGQp | 08:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Despite high vaccination rate, Covid cases surge in Israel → https://is.gd/cwMZow | 08:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 23, 2021: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/ZqDjxe | 09:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: AstraZeneca to supply 31 million COVID-19 shots to EU in first quarter, a 60% cut: Report → https://is.gd/9LTD2g | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turks and Caicos: +51 cases (now 1244) since 23 hours ago | 09:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Mongolia PM quits, blames president over Covid protests → https://is.gd/uyZw5p | 09:40 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: NERVTAG paper on COVID-19 variant of concern B.1.1.7 (81 votes) | https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nervtag-paper-on-covid-19-variant-of-concern-b117?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_source=b575910f-e0f0-4e23-9e45-27d4289d912e&utm_content=immediately | https://redd.it/l2tccy | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors → https://is.gd/loNGQp | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: IOC plans to vaccinate every Olympic athlete to save Tokyo Games: report → https://is.gd/DJV3Il | 10:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors → https://is.gd/loNGQp | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Myanmar receives first batch of 1.5 Million doses of COVID-19 vaccines from India → https://is.gd/q8PoFX | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +16937 cases (now 2.1 million) since 21 hours ago | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +4275 cases (now 180455), +7 deaths (now 667) since 22 hours ago — UAE: +3566 cases (now 274376), +7 deaths (now 783) since 22 hours ago | 12:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thousands of Hong Kongers locked down to contain coronavirus → https://is.gd/6kc3cY | 12:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: CDC says vaccine doses may be spaced further as FDA eases stance → https://is.gd/p8W9Wl | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Timor-Leste: +11 cases (now 64) since 3 days ago | 12:23 |
| Arsanerit | I suspect timor-leste may be undertesting. | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US state department applauds ‘true friend’ India for gifting COVID-19 vaccine to several countries → https://is.gd/XSWlSj | 12:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 23 gennaio 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19 per la Regione Lombardia.(21A00403) → https://is.gd/hfRKcA | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: UK's 'more deadly' new variant is another cruel twist in the pandemic → https://is.gd/HVYJ80 | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors → https://is.gd/loNGQp | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: The art and science of boarding an airplane in a pandemic → https://is.gd/z7sxZS | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +75 deaths (now 9046) since 23 hours ago | 14:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US talk show legend Larry King dies aged 87 after catching coronavirus → https://is.gd/p7J115 | 14:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: NSAIDs might exacerbate or suppress COVID-19 depending on timing, mouse study suggests: New research shows that non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) reduced both antibody and inflammatory responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection in mice. The study appears this week in the Journal of Virology, a publication of the American [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2C07U0 | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Virus mutations down to chance, in more ways than one: The emergence of several, more infectious strains of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has worried governments and scientists, who are investigating how and why the virus became more transmissible. → https://is.gd/qukvHL | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: WHO: Poorer nations to get first 40 million vaccines next month → https://is.gd/znoubB | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +16893 cases (now 2.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 710: COVID-19 clinical update #46 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #46, Daniel Griffin discusses the BinaxNow rapid antigen test, efficacy of Bamlanivimab in nursing homes, associations of serum vitamin D concentrations with in-hospital mortality and need for invasive mechanical ventilation, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4F76YY | 15:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Anaphylaxis After First Dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccination (88 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2775646 | https://redd.it/l381ap | 16:08 |
| ubLIX[m] | 30 references concerned with ventilation and aerosol transmission: https://healthcareworkersaustralia.com/national-action-on-aerosol-transmission-of-covid-19/ | 16:15 |
| ubLIX[m] | going to keep an eye out for this popping up in peer-reviewed form: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.05.20249061v1 | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bolsonaro’s Popularity Crashes as Covid-19 Crisis Rages → https://is.gd/Yelbzg | 16:48 |
| ubLIX[m] | "The intestinal and oral microbiomes are robust predictors of covid-19 severity the main predictor of covid-19-related fatality" | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +5542 cases (now 946610), +88 deaths (now 13516) since 23 hours ago | 16:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: TV icon Larry King dies while being treated for COVID-19 (10867 votes) | https://www.nbc4i.com/news/tv-icon-larry-king-dies-while-being-treated-for-covid-19/ | https://redd.it/l3bvb6 | 17:15 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Colchicine reduces the risk of COVID-19-related complications (80 votes) | https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/01/23/2163109/0/en/Colchicine-reduces-the-risk-of-COVID-19-related-complications.html | https://redd.it/l35jx4 | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Gap between Pfizer vaccine doses should be halved, say doctors → https://is.gd/loNGQp | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +24632 cases (now 3.6 million), +916 deaths (now 96492) since 23 hours ago | 17:34 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Autumn COVID-19 surge dates in Europe correlated to latitudes, not to temperature-humidity, pointing to vitamin D as contributing factor (83 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81419-w | https://redd.it/l3ea9e | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Number of patients on ventilators passes 4,000 for first time → https://is.gd/qshstY | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +15333 cases (now 624469), +274 deaths (now 10194) since a day ago — Italy: +13331 cases (now 2.5 million), +488 deaths (now 85162) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +6405 cases (now 741996), +167 deaths (now 18829) since 22 hours ago | 18:42 |
| LjL | %cases portugal | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Portugal, there have been 624469 confirmed cases (6.1% of the population) and 10194 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 40 seconds ago. 6.7 million tests were performed (9.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Portugal for time series data. | 18:43 |
| LjL | woah portugal isn't looking good. they've kept the deaths comparatively low so far, but now both graphs are spiking | 18:45 |
| LjL | i'm basically now finding anything trending *worse* than Portugal in Europe | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lesotho: +101 cases (now 7656), +10 deaths (now 123) since a day ago | 19:13 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], i'm looking more forward to it popping up on Retraction Watch ;( | 19:14 |
| ubLIX[m] | lol. yeah | 19:25 |
| de-facto | wasnt Portugal believed to have imported the UK variant? | 20:08 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't know, i would be interested in knowing the amount of "UK cases" it is believed to have. a ton of countries have imported it, but the numbers may be small (Italy has, for instance, and in the places it's known to have, the numbers ARE soaring, but not nationwide... yet, anyway) | 20:13 |
| LjL | maybe one useful thing that Brainstorm could extract from nextstrain is the percentage of a given mutation that is reported in sequences from a given country | 20:13 |
| LjL | which may not be representative of the country as a whole, but not sure how to get better representation | 20:14 |
| de-facto | AstraZeneca cant deliver the planned quotes for EU but has no problems to deliver to UK ? | 20:15 |
| LjL | :\ | 20:15 |
| LjL | de-facto, did you catch the Pfizer "pay for the 6th vial" absurdity yesterday? | 20:16 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Super Bowl attendance will be 22,000; 7,500 vaccinated health care workers going for free (10002 votes) | https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/super-bowl/2021/01/22/nfl-announces-super-bowl-plans-capacity-fans-health-care-workers/6668729002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_ | https://redd.it/l2phov | 20:16 |
| de-facto | yeah we talked about it LjL | 20:17 |
| LjL | okay, sorry, my memory has issues | 20:17 |
| de-facto | in Berlin they have a hospital under quarantine because of the UK variant there | 20:18 |
| de-facto | CHina extracts contact persons of 2nd grade and puts them in quarantine.wow. | 20:20 |
| LjL | de-facto, portugal does seem to have a fair amount of N501Y https://nextstrain.org/ncov/europe?f_country=Portugal | 20:23 |
| de-facto | indeed that does not look good | 20:25 |
| de-facto | but it is the part of the sequences, not nessecarily a representative distribution of popuation | 20:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://virological.org/t/tracking-sars-cov-2-voc-202012-01-lineage-b-1-1-7-dissemination-in-portugal-insights-from-nationwide-rt-pcr-spike-gene-drop-out-data/600 | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From virological.org: Tracking SARS-CoV-2 VOC 202012/01 (lineage B.1.1.7) dissemination in Portugal: insights from nationwide RT-PCR Spike gene drop out data - SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus - Virological | 20:28 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca-exc/exclusive-astrazeneca-to-supply-31-million-covid-19-shots-to-eu-in-first-quarter-a-60-cut-eu-source-idUSKBN29R2I9 | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.reuters.com: Exclusive: AstraZeneca to supply 31 million COVID-19 shots to EU in first quarter, a 60% cut - EU source | Reuters | 20:30 |
| LjL | de-facto, yeah, i don't know about the real distribution. in NextStrain, the European countries with the most 501Y are Slovakia, Portugal, Austria, in this order (UK is actually a fair bit lower) - yet the offloop graphs don't show any incoming spike for Slovakia and Austria (although they do for the neighboring Czechia, which has fewer 501Y sequences) | 20:31 |
| de-facto | many countries dont have the sequencing capacity as e.g. UK or Denmark or such | 20:33 |
| de-facto | so they probably do some sort of targeting for the very limited capacity they have | 20:33 |
| de-facto | and also it probably will take quite some time until sequences end up on nextstrain or GISAID or such | 20:34 |
| LjL | anyway, the association of Portugal having such a bad spike with also *likely* having an important presence of 501Y is not reassuring | 20:35 |
| LjL | de-facto, anyway, where did you read about AstraZeneca not being able to deliver fully for the EU but having enough for the UK? if it was posted here, i missed it | 20:39 |
| de-facto | LjL, in tagesschau (german news) but also in reuters link above | 20:42 |
| de-facto | "AstraZeneca Plc has informed European Union officials on Friday it would cut deliveries of its COVID-19 vaccine to the bloc by 60% to 31 million doses in the first quarter of the year due to production problems" | 20:43 |
| de-facto | "AstraZeneca was expected to deliver about 80 million doses to the 27 EU countries by the end of March" | 20:43 |
| LjL | :\ | 20:43 |
| de-facto | "AstraZeneca told EU officials at a meeting that the cut was due to production problems at a vaccine factory in Belgium run by its partner Novasep, the EU official said. Novasep was not immediately available to comment." | 20:43 |
| LjL | does it also say this won't affect the UK, or was that just your assumption? | 20:44 |
| de-facto | "The EU has a deal to purchase at least 300 million doses from AstraZeneca, with an option for an additional 100 million, part of the company’s global commitments to supply more than 3 billion doses." | 20:44 |
| LjL | uh wasn't the one in Belgium a Pfizer factory? | 20:44 |
| LjL | are they all in Belgium? | 20:44 |
| LjL | (Pfizer or BioNTech) | 20:44 |
| de-facto | its what they said in tagesschau that there were no shortages expected in the UK | 20:44 |
| LjL | i see | 20:44 |
| LjL | cool | 20:45 |
| de-facto | like EU gets less but not the UK (i dont know their sources, probably checked if UK also did expect any deviations from delivery plans) | 20:45 |
| de-facto | but then again in UK its officially approved already, so of course they would try to hold their delivery plans there | 20:45 |
| LjL | the EU isn't really coming up as a winner here | 20:46 |
| LjL | did we ever hear again about the EMA leak, by the way? i have seen no news coverage of it. | 20:46 |
| LjL | i had wished for some expert analysis of the contents. | 20:47 |
| de-facto | ema had tons of press releases about the hack, though i have to admit i did not read any of them | 20:47 |
| LjL | well, yes, but i wouldn't expect useful information from them, they are obviously a party with a conflict of interest on the matter | 20:47 |
| de-facto | yep | 20:48 |
| de-facto | yeah there are many pharmaceutical companies in Belgium for some reason | 20:51 |
| de-facto | idk if this AstraZeneca thing has anything to do with BioNTech/Pfizer, until explicitly stated id assume independent supply chains | 20:51 |
| de-facto | but hey its very good those production facitities are inside EU, just imagine the dependence of countries that dont have local production capacity at all | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Fauci Relishes A 'Hallelujah' Moment: Dr. Anthony Fauci, now President Biden's chief medical adviser on COVID-19, says he rejoiced when the new president said that "science and truth" would guide the nation's policies toward the pandemic. → https://is.gd/DwcL8Y | 21:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, then if Pfizer keeps pulling stunts like they do, prioritizing countries that have paid more despite having binding contracts with us as well, and using the "6th dose" excuse to cut down supply, then it may seem like a strong position, but if the EU were a country it could and should nationalize the company and take over production and distribution | 21:11 |
| euod[m] | de-facto: cigarette smoke through a real N95 mask is weird. | 21:25 |
| euod[m] | it very obviously catches a portion, but some of it makes it though. | 21:25 |
| de-facto | yeah and then the mask smells like smoke | 21:33 |
| de-facto | FFP3 filters it better but still its noticeable | 21:35 |
| de-facto | LjL, well i dont think Pfizer (or AstraZeneca) would to that on purpose and if they scale up production as result of the delay its even better compared to not scaling up and staying on low rates plans | 21:36 |
| de-facto | yet if enough is done to really scale production in general, tbh i doubt it | 21:36 |
| de-facto | we need 15.6 billion doses at some point or such, so scaling production always should be the first priority | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Turkey's Erdogan says extra 10M doses of Chinese vaccine due → https://is.gd/Ca5hT6 | 21:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'Deeply Alarming': AstraZeneca Charging South Africa More Than Double What Europeans Pay for Covid-19 Vaccine → https://is.gd/FcuAJ5 | 21:54 |
| LjL | yeah and maybe they're also actually receiving them | 22:01 |
| raccoon_dog | Implication being that Europe isn't actually getting the vaccine? | 22:01 |
| LjL | raccoon_dog, well, to be fair we haven't approved it yet, so we aren't supposed to be | 22:02 |
| LjL | but i'm referring to earlier | 22:02 |
| raccoon_dog | I see. | 22:02 |
| LjL | "From www.reuters.com: Exclusive: AstraZeneca to supply 31 million COVID-19 shots to EU in first quarter, a 60% cut - EU source | Reuters" and all that de-facto said | 22:02 |
| raccoon_dog | Right. | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Number of patients on ventilators passes 4,000 for first time → https://is.gd/qshstY | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus variant first spotted in Britain is spreading at an alarming rate and isn’t responding to established ways of slowing the pandemic, according to Danish scientists → https://is.gd/2IR5ip | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +23724 cases (now 3.0 million), +200 deaths (now 72847) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +7070 cases (now 743326) since 23 hours ago | 22:56 |
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