| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: More than 97% of recent COVID deaths in Israel were people who weren't vaccinated, PM says (10149 votes) | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-idUSKBN2A91KU?taid=6022aa91496f1e00010acb89&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter | https://redd.it/lg5sez | 00:13 |
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| de-facto | nice | 00:13 |
| de-facto | yet i wonder why their case number still dont get a punch from the vaccination prevalence yet... delayed? | 00:17 |
| de-facto | first shot prevalence almost reached 66% https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations | 00:18 |
| de-facto | ~53% 14 days ago | 00:19 |
| de-facto | their incidence decline from ~2021-01-15 on went into a plateauing around 20210-02-01 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ | 00:20 |
| de-facto | new variant overtook incidence already? | 00:21 |
| de-facto | without the influence of vaccinations, for implied new variants to take over from beginning of Februar, they would have had to have been in the single digit percentage range roughly a month ago | 00:25 |
| de-facto | if a takeover by evasive variants is to be blamed for plateauing, the selection by vaccinations would significantly accelerate this effect though, not sure by how much | 00:27 |
| de-facto | any representative sequences for the current prevalence in Israel? | 00:28 |
| ryouma | to decontaminate a dryer, besides iso, would one run it on hot without anything in it? would run on hot with somethign wet in it to add humidity? | 00:30 |
| de-facto | yes id put some clothes in it for humidity, iirc they also did that for decontaminating masks, not sure exactly why anymore | 00:32 |
| de-facto | afaik they put the masks in tupperware plastic boxes together with some water and that in the oven | 00:33 |
| de-facto | also pure alcohol is not as good as if it contains a bit of water (80% alc 20% water or such?) | 00:33 |
| de-facto | still not sure why, the virion may get stabilized by drying? | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] Ensure Palestinians have access to COVID-19 vaccines: The health predicament in the occupied Palestinian territory has been inexcusable,1 and the COVID-19 pandemic is exacerbating problems.2 As of Feb 8, 2021, WHO reports that more than 183 000 Palestinians have tested positive for severe acute [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ZNKIwC | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +5813 cases (now 3.4 million), +724 deaths (now 80147) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +1017 cases (now 1.0 million) since 22 hours ago — Falkland Is.: +8 cases (now 53) since 5 days ago | 01:49 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Variant-proof vaccines — invest now for the next pandemic (81 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00340-4 | https://redd.it/lg93fd | 02:20 |
| ryouma | ok can somebody say what the numbers mean in practical terms? is the 500 or so second number still considered significant potential for transmission? "SARS-CoV-2 remained viable in aerosols throughout the duration of our experiment (3 hours), with a reduction in infectious titer from 10^3.5 to 10^2.7 TCID[50] per liter of air. This reduction was similar to that observed with SARS-CoV-1, from 10^4.3 to 10^3.5 TCID[ | 02:47 |
| ryouma | 50] per milliliter (Figure 1A)." --- https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2004973 can | 02:47 |
| ryouma | also what is tcid? | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists ramp up work on vaccine that would address every type of coronavirus: report → https://is.gd/5PFvFZ | 02:50 |
| ryouma | what about sars1? --- "Past enthusiasm for such a medicine was low as it was commonly believed, before the pandemic, that the coronavirus was not a serious threat and only caused mild colds." | 02:54 |
| ryouma | suppose you had a completely sealed room? when would hte virus not be viable? | 03:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Seychelles: +120 cases (now 1695) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +12816 cases (now 4.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Lesotho: +338 cases (now 9718), +24 deaths (now 207) since 3 days ago | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO official leading Wuhan Covid-19 probe says lab leak extremely unlikely → https://is.gd/WbGg8b | 03:27 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Post-Vaccination COVID-19 among Healthcare Workers, Israel (81 votes) | https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/21-0016_article | https://redd.it/lge527 | 03:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Zealand: +2 cases (now 2324) since 23 hours ago | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: around? | 04:41 |
| LjL | yes | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any news about your http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/freenode/__covid-19/__covid-19.2021-02-08.log.html#t2021-02-08T06:10:49 | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 04:41 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, no, i have not heard anybody else coming up with this idea | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's too plausible to ignore it | 04:42 |
| LjL | well AZ did run trials in other countries too, namely the US | 04:43 |
| LjL | but some variants had been tentatively found in the US as well | 04:43 |
| LjL | so i dunno | 04:43 |
| LjL | also South Africa just deciding to *stop* administering AZ entirely | 04:43 |
| LjL | that's what's been on my mind the most the past couple of days | 04:43 |
| LjL | although i'm quite tired of having COVID on my mind honestly | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess everybody feels the same | 04:44 |
| LjL | to be blunt i also think the lab leak hypothesis is way too plausible for the WHO clowns to immediately go "naaaaah" just days after they've FINALLY been allowed into China | 04:45 |
| LjL | we'll know the truth about all this the same time as they tell us whether Nero really set fire to Rome | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yet today we get another "xmas" day with new revelations by our chancelor and MPs :-S | 04:46 |
| LjL | what did they say? | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | today just started | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask me in 14 h | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we probably get extension of lockdown, with idiotic relaxations like schools opening again or whatever | 04:48 |
| LjL | oh like that | 04:49 |
| LjL | well we have no government so i'm not sure when we'll get something new | 04:49 |
| LjL | or a government | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while bavarian health minister yesterday in interview said >>ok, there the court cancelled the night curfew and I don't know what court will do here, but... the curfew can't be pointless since, look, we got it here since november and our incidences go down, so it must be effective<< | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hardly heard a more nonsensical justification for a NPI during last 12 months | 04:53 |
| LjL | i wonder if there's some place where i could mention that AZ-causing-variants theory without being banned or yelled at. the COVID subreddits i know don't really allow anything but link posts, no text posts | 04:53 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, vague handwavy correlation clearly equates causation | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously :-S | 04:54 |
| LjL | with AZ out of the equation for practical purposes, i don't know when this will end... "end", for some practical purposes. i was expecting another year. *at least* another year, i know, but there was the hope that it could resolve within a year | 04:55 |
| LjL | now who knows, we may be chasing variants slower than they pop up... for... your guess is as good as mine | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((where to ask)) I pondered to send a few questions to Drosten podcast today. | 04:55 |
| LjL | i don't think Drosten would be able to publicly lend credence to a theory such as mine even if he believed it possible in his own mind | 04:56 |
| LjL | it could greatly mine confidence in vaccines, and actually cause public outcry *against* making vaccines | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he would consider the pros and cons | 04:56 |
| LjL | i'm hardly a genius. if this theory makes sense, someone else has thought about it | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think he ever does such considerations what to say and what to not say, based on what effect it may have | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: well, me at least hadn't thought of it until you mentioned it | 04:58 |
| LjL | and i hadn't thought of it until de-facto mentioned that the variants happened to be in the same places where AZ had trials | 04:59 |
| LjL | but then he immediately said it made no sense to make a theory out of that :P | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahahaha | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pondering... maybe I'm not lazy enough to keep me from asking >>are there studies regarding correlation (if any) between vaccine phase3 test sites and variant emergence sites?<< | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drosten is the right person to ask this. If anybody knows each and every published or not even yet started study, then that's him | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'No, no.': Mexican president rejects mask-wearing after COVID-19 recovery → https://is.gd/LYNzMt | 05:08 |
| ryouma | vaccine trials that do not do contact tracing and isolation stuff are bad trials. you'd hope variants would not exscape. | 06:01 |
| ryouma | (i had been concerned about hat before i knew hter was any correlation but idk the science of it) | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Care home staff without PPE at start of pandemic - MPs → https://is.gd/a3mmXo | 06:07 |
| dunnp | i don't see how a variant could be caused by a particular vaccine | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China scores a public relations win after WHO mission to Wuhan → https://is.gd/lwMlAN | 06:17 |
| ryouma | dunnp: maybe they don't | 06:21 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: 1 in 10 Americans have now received Covid vaccine (10017 votes) | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/covid-vaccine-data-americans-b1799986.html | https://redd.it/lgckdr | 06:21 |
| ryouma | somebody knowledgeable had said alll the variants that could be done in humans most likely were done. so it is surprising to get variants nowe. | 06:23 |
| dunnp | i dono if all of the variant space would have been explored.. the infected population is relatively small | 06:24 |
| dunnp | yea 1x10^17948 variants approx.. no way | 06:26 |
| dunnp | i mean sure all of the 1bp variants are out there | 06:26 |
| LjL | <dunnp> i don't see how a variant could be caused by a particular vaccine ← by selective pressure inside of an individual who has had a vaccine that is effective but not effective enough to neutralize the virus? | 06:27 |
| LjL | when you have 20000 of those individuals, i think maybe something like that can happen in... at least one | 06:28 |
| LjL | unlike the mRNA vaccine, AZ is just not very efficacious, so i could imagine the mRNA vaccines haven't posed this problem because the virus stopped reproducing before it could try playing tricks | 06:28 |
| dunnp | well if it didnt work against that variant it would allow it to escape yea | 06:30 |
| dunnp | but not cause it | 06:30 |
| ryouma | but perhaps getting rid of the usual variants (or strains at an earlier stage) could allow it to replicate or something? | 06:31 |
| ryouma | more* | 06:31 |
| dunnp | were there only 20k people vaccinated? | 06:32 |
| LjL | dunnp, 20k was a ballpark number for the trial(s), not the rollout | 06:33 |
| LjL | dunnp, the thing is that the main trials of AZ took place in the same three countries that developed worrisome variants: UK, Brazil, South Africa. so that seemed peculiar. they also have a trial in the US, though (i did hear of a Californian variant but then i stopped hearing about it) | 06:34 |
| dunnp | the SA variant has 3 key mutations - really unlucky with that small number of people | 06:34 |
| dunnp | hmm | 06:35 |
| dunnp | well the RNA vaccines seem to stop it | 06:35 |
| dunnp | so thats good | 06:35 |
| LjL | but we don't have them, so that's bad ;( | 06:35 |
| dunnp | ah I've had both pfizer shots now | 06:35 |
| LjL | and the UK especially bet a lot on AZ... but the EU as well | 06:36 |
| LjL | well good for you, can't say the same about my elderly parents, nevermind myself | 06:36 |
| dunnp | yea | 06:36 |
| dunnp | I thought pfizer was also rolling out to EU | 06:36 |
| LjL | and at this point if i get AZ... honestly, i would refuse AZ | 06:36 |
| LjL | if i have to be injected with something that doesn't prevent COVID, it best at least get me high | 06:36 |
| dunnp | iirc all current vaccines have stopped death though | 06:36 |
| LjL | meh | 06:37 |
| LjL | SA has stopped rollout of AZ | 06:37 |
| LjL | because the latest study had 19 people getting sick in the vaccine arm, 20 in the control arm | 06:37 |
| LjL | and they were all young and healthy people | 06:37 |
| LjL | so nothing really can be said about whether it stops severe disease / death | 06:37 |
| LjL | we can just say that it doesn't seem to stop much of anything with the SA variant | 06:37 |
| LjL | and we can also say that the SA variant will soon be everywhere | 06:38 |
| LjL | there is a *chance* it stops severe disease, but there is no real evidence of it | 06:38 |
| dunnp | i see | 06:38 |
| dunnp | my hope was that the UK variant would put a lot of pressure against these new ones | 06:38 |
| dunnp | since it is so transmissable | 06:38 |
| ryouma | az is uk co? | 06:39 |
| pigughs | https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1359188388025360386 14 mild cases in nursing homes, of fully vaccinated with B117 | 06:39 |
| LjL | and in my opinion if the entire country of South Africa has decided to stop AZ rollout, which presumably will be a blow economically and otherwise, it's because they don't think it's worth it anymore | 06:39 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Monoclonal Antibodies for Treatment of COVID-19 (83 votes) | https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibodies-treatment-covid-19-0 | https://redd.it/lgj2v8 | 06:39 |
| LjL | dunnp, but what does the UK variant have that makes it so special? N501Y? but so do the others | 06:39 |
| LjL | and the UK is also getting a lot of E484K sequences | 06:39 |
| LjL | anyway i need to sleep, zz | 06:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Covid patients asphyxiate as Latin America battles oxygen shortage: As a second, deadly wave of COVID-19 batters Latin America, images have emerged from country after country of desperate people lining up for days to buy oxygen to ease the suffering of infected loved ones fighting for breath. → https://is.gd/cOGLQn | 06:41 |
| dunnp | i guess so.. my concern is that this really slow vaccine rollout is going to give time for the really bad variant to pop up that nothing is effective against | 06:41 |
| LjL | dunnp, even if no variants were around, at this pace, the EU would be done vaccinating people in 2030 or so | 06:43 |
| LjL | the variants aren't waiting | 06:43 |
| LjL | and neither am i honestly, i'd rather get hit by an asteroid | 06:43 |
| ryouma | dunnp: the variants you think are a result of just rising numbers? | 06:45 |
| dunnp | yes | 06:46 |
| ryouma | what is the statues of military bases? i heard usa ones varied last i heard, from leaky to controlled. | 06:47 |
| pigughs | there is a base near here, it's unclear if they release their numbers anonymously to the state count | 06:48 |
| dunnp | ryouma: it is my understanding that the RNA pol in in has proofreading so relatively low mutation rate and with the small genome it will take a long time to explore all of its mutational space | 06:51 |
| dunnp | time being equivalent to number of infections though | 06:51 |
| dunnp | generations i guess | 06:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan to discard millions of Pfizer vaccine doses because it has wrong syringes → https://is.gd/fjvPZh | 06:53 |
| pigughs | https://twitter.com/FacesOfCOVID/status/1359308342796124160 | 07:02 |
| pigughs | biden needs to do a DPA on BD's monopoly on syringes https://www.mddionline.com/business/bd-running-monopoly-safety-syringe-market | 07:03 |
| ryouma | dpa? | 07:04 |
| ryouma | bd jhas a monopoly on all? or just the luer lock? | 07:04 |
| ryouma | i forgot the reason for hte luer lock | 07:04 |
| pigughs | defense production act, well specifically the syringe to get the extra doses from each bottle | 07:05 |
| ryouma | ah | 07:06 |
| ryouma | luer lock wastes medicine iirc | 07:06 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "also South Africa just deciding "> Do they actually have it on hand or is it more that they've stopped bothering with it and are going to be just sourcing the other ones? | 07:06 |
| pwr22 | A vaccine is absolutely going to create selection pressure for strains that are resistant to it | 07:10 |
| pwr22 | Though it depends I suppose if it stops transmission | 07:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Acre, Brazil: +723 cases (now 51269), +12 deaths (now 900) since a day ago — France: +14166 cases (now 3.4 million) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +12391 cases (now 4.0 million), +1052 deaths (now 113958) since 23 hours ago — Belgium: +1851 cases (now 728334), +49 deaths (now 21472) since a day ago | 07:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: A few COVID vaccine recipients developed a rare blood disorder → https://is.gd/gZJ96A | 07:30 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Lilly's bamlanivimab (LY-CoV555) administered with etesevimab (LY-CoV016) receives FDA emergency use authorization for COVID-19 (82 votes) | https://investor.lilly.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lillys-bamlanivimab-ly-cov555-administered-etesevimab-ly-cov016 | https://redd.it/lgir5c | 07:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Eli Lilly’s antibody combination receives FDA emergency use authorization for Covid-19 → https://is.gd/VnSFkI | 08:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Antigua and Barb.: +34 cases (now 350), +1 deaths (now 9) since 11 hours ago | 09:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Insulin aspart Sanofi, insulin aspart, Diabetes Mellitus, Date of authorisation: 25/06/2020, Revision: 1, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/iq0ThO | 09:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Pandemic means young people face cancer treatment alone: Covid restrictions mean patients such as Sophie must attend appointments without family or friends. → https://is.gd/tqRQcZ | 10:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for St. Vin. and Gren.: +57 cases (now 1340), +2 deaths (now 6) since a day ago | 10:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Police use water cannons to disperse mob as ultra-Orthodox Jews continue violent resistance to Covid rules in Jerusalem → https://is.gd/QcCdc3 | 10:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Covid-19 cases are falling in the U.S. It could be a calm before a variant-driven storm: Ask experts how the B.1.1.7 coronavirus variant might reshape the U.S. epidemic and you’ll hear “it depends” or “it’s the wild card,” but there is a sense of a calm… → https://is.gd/WZ6CyT | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Do the math: Vaccines alone won’t get us out of this pandemic: Stop promoting the belief that herd immunity can be achieved in 2021 and start reinforcing all aspects of the health care response and concede that Covid-19 will become an endemic… → https://is.gd/D0o8wV | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: America’s addiction crisis, compounded by Covid-19, requires immediate action to save lives: As Congress works with the Biden administration to address Covid-19, prioritizing the U.S.'s national response to the other ongoing epidemic of drug overdoses will be essential. → https://is.gd/HVrE98 | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Prayers answered, says Dominican PM as India’s vaccine lands in Caribbean island → https://is.gd/Xnpgfg | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Government wasted millions on poor quality PPE, spending watchdog finds: The UK government wasted hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers’ money on poor quality and unusable personal protective equipment (PPE) while leaving frontline workers insufficiently protected... → https://is.gd/Fichsk | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Is It Safe to Delay a Second COVID Vaccine Dose?: A healthcare worker prepares a dose of the BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine at a vaccination hub location in League City, Texas, February 5, 2021. → https://is.gd/VVDEYB | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Biden Team Fears: No COVID Herd Immunity Until Thanksgiving → https://is.gd/MJ6HKP | 13:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Vaccine production must catch up to science: EU chief: Europe's race to manufacture COVID-19 vaccines must accelerate to catch up to scientific breakthroughs and outpace emerging variants, European Commission chief Ursula von der Leyen said on Wednesday. → https://is.gd/RiQOwc | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bamivinalmab err bamlanivimab - what a name! :-/ | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Organ transplant recipients can develop immunity after COVID-19, despite immunosuppression: Johns Hopkins Medicine researchers have shown that it is possible for solid organ transplant recipients who contract COVID-19 to experience a natural immune response to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease. In their study, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BJqrU8 | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: A Race Against Vaccine Hesitancy: The vaccine program is in a race against the emergence of new strains of the virus. Vaccine hesitancy may be the margin of victory or failure. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/JcYRrH | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Yes, a 16-day incubation period for COVID is possible—but it's extremely rare: Over the past week, three returned travelers—one in New South Wales and two in Victoria—have tested positive to COVID-19 shortly after leaving hotel quarantine. → https://is.gd/7IcO88 | 14:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1602 cases (now 538118) since 23 hours ago | 14:58 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Evidence for SARS-CoV-2 related coronaviruses circulating in bats and pangolins in Southeast Asia (80 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21240-1#disqus_thread | https://redd.it/lg253i | 15:06 |
| kreyren | Is it insane to take a blood from a person who has 8.47 IgG on SARS-CoV-2 and separate it to use the plasma when exposed to SARS-CoV-2 ? | 15:13 |
| kreyren | afaik that's the treatment that they gave to trump right | 15:13 |
| kreyren | or do they do something else with it? | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: No sign that antibody memory of the common cold helps against SARS-CoV-2 → https://is.gd/SdqAdM | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +6571 cases (now 2.3 million) since 22 hours ago | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: House Dems slip drug pricing proposal into Covid-19 relief bill; FDA grants emergency use for Lilly drug → https://is.gd/ylc29i | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kreyren: I seem to recall plasma from recovered covid individuals has not performed up to expectations and been deprecated a few eeks ago | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know exactly what Trump received but I'm quite sure monoclonal antibodies been part of it | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this, in my layman's point of view, would exclude such plasma therapy since they are pretty much competing approaches by same means: antibodies | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/freenode/__covid-19/__covid-19.2021-01-15.log.html#t2021-01-15T18:37:15 | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: 'Convalescent plasma no benefit to hospital patients' → https://is.gd/u1jOwG | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Drug trial that could improve respiratory recovery from COVID-19 now underway: A clinical trial has commenced this week to test whether a drug called Almitrine can help people who are seriously ill with COVID-19 to recover from the disease. → https://is.gd/8RIww5 | 16:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Analysis of the Pathophysiology and Pathology of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19), Including Chronic Morbidity → https://is.gd/ArnqkQ | 17:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +70 deaths (now 20914) since 23 hours ago | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Reunion: +400 cases (now 10907) since 5 days ago — United Kingdom: +12821 cases (now 4.0 million), +1018 deaths (now 114589) since 23 hours ago — Italy: +336 deaths (now 92338) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +1109 cases (now 1.0 million), +81 deaths (now 14603) since 16 hours ago | 18:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: This study is encouraging! Substantial reduction of more severe COVID-19 simply by early treatment with the inhaled steroid budesonide.A 90% reduction in hospitalization-level events. But with a small study size. 146 patients.https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.04.21251134v1 → https://is.gd/zp5Fni | 19:02 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Frankly wrong’: WHO official derides US intelligence on COVID → https://is.gd/vNoBLo | 19:03 |
| LjL | read first comment | 19:03 |
| LjL | don't know exactly what to make of it, but even before reading this, it seemed ridiculous to me that the WHO would basically ridicule the hypothesis of a lab leak after they've been in China just for a limited number of days and *couldn't* find the "actual" origin, but could still deny the lab leak origin | 19:08 |
| LjL | (somehow) | 19:08 |
| pigughs | https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/bodies-again-pile-up-in-bolivia-as-latin-america-endures-a-long-deadly-coronavirus-wave.html | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>inhaled steroid budesonide.A 90% reduction in hospitalization<< :-o | 19:42 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Vaccine-induced immunity provides more robust heterotypic immunity than natural infection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern. (89 votes) | https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-226857/latest | https://redd.it/lgxpre | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | business as usual in D :-S Plus the school mess Ipromised yesterday | 20:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +18114 cases (now 3.0 million), +643 deaths (now 63704) since 23 hours ago — France: +23220 cases (now 3.4 million), +439 deaths (now 80394) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +3535 cases (now 814353) since 23 hours ago | 21:31 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyJDMmZUSJQ "Corona-Lockdown verlängert: Friseure dürfen ab 1. März öffnen | Merkel-Pressekonferenz" | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: Corona-Lockdown verlängert: Friseure dürfen ab 1. März öffnen | Merkel-Pressekonferenz - YouTube | 21:39 |
| de-facto | uh school openings decisions of the federal states :/ thats not good, they should be FORCED to let them closed | 21:46 |
| de-facto | https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/aktuelles/corona-beschluss-1852766 | 21:48 |
| de-facto | .title | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bundesregierung.de: Corona: Das haben Bund und Länder beschlossen | 21:48 |
| de-facto | https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/997532/1852514/508d851535b4a599c27cf320d8ab69e0/2021-02-10-mpk-data.pdf?download=1 | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +24 deaths (now 9711) since 22 hours ago | 22:08 |
| rpifan | so we are locked down | 22:36 |
| rpifan | until 7 march | 22:36 |
| rpifan | why the hell are the hair cutters gonna open | 22:36 |
| rpifan | why the fuck is that so important | 22:36 |
| rpifan | jesus | 22:36 |
| de-facto | i think its a big mistake to let the ministers decide, they are going to fail. guaranteed. | 22:43 |
| de-facto | Schools MUST remain closed at ANY price | 22:43 |
| de-facto | but, they will open soon, and B.1.1.7 will explode in them | 22:44 |
| de-facto | mark my words | 22:44 |
| rpifan | i hope so | 22:47 |
| rpifan | u know me de-facto im in favor of an eternal lockdown | 22:47 |
| rpifan | even tho im not likeing it anymore | 22:47 |
| rpifan | im suffering a mental breakdown at this point | 22:47 |
| de-facto | well i hate lockdown but the less strict it is the longer it has to be | 22:50 |
| de-facto | and it is not strict enough ( R_B.1.1.7 ~ 0.8 * 1.44 = 1.15 > 1 ), yet those stupid MPs are pressuring Merkel again for taking back restrictions and opening Schools and businesses | 22:51 |
| de-facto | we need *more* restrictions with R_B.1.1.7 > 1, *not* less | 22:51 |
| de-facto | i still hope for a military controlled hard curfew 24/7 at least two weeks | 22:52 |
| de-facto | complete traveling stop | 22:53 |
| de-facto | yet i know neither will ever happen | 22:53 |
| rpifan | yea i know | 22:53 |
| rpifan | i hope for lockdown 3.o | 22:53 |
| de-facto | instead: we will see wave 3.0 | 22:53 |
| de-facto | and its public knowledge already that it will come | 22:53 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/coronavirus-mutante-b117-daten-1.5197700 | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.sueddeutsche.de: Corona-Mutante B.1.1.7: Eine unsichtbare Welle baut sich auf - Wissen - SZ.de | 22:54 |
| rpifan | but i dont understand why hair cutters need to open | 22:54 |
| rpifan | whats the hurry | 22:54 |
| de-facto | people are growing their hairs... its more important to cut the hairs than to cut down incidence | 22:55 |
| de-facto | (well to be honest i dont think hair cutters are a big contribution) | 22:56 |
| de-facto | (in terms of incidence) | 22:56 |
| de-facto | Schools are though, they are going to be B.1.1.7 hubs and we will see clusters in them | 22:57 |
| rpifan | yea | 22:57 |
| rpifan | of course schools are cespools of filth | 22:57 |
| rpifan | its well known all kind of schooling bring viruses home | 22:57 |
| rpifan | from the little ones to the adults | 22:57 |
| rpifan | a high concentration of ppl in a small room | 22:57 |
| rpifan | is a great idea for a plague | 22:57 |
| de-facto | yeah and in this case asymptomatic | 22:57 |
| de-facto | why dont they develop concepts for testing when they really need to open schools? | 22:58 |
| de-facto | why dont they test all children two times a week then? | 22:58 |
| de-facto | oh they dont have enough capacity? well then they cant open schools. | 22:58 |
| rpifan | i thought they were supposed to quick test them | 22:58 |
| rpifan | even tho i dont like merkel | 22:59 |
| rpifan | i saw the conference | 22:59 |
| de-facto | a negative quicktest lasts for a day | 22:59 |
| rpifan | and i could tell she was frustrated | 22:59 |
| de-facto | so they would have to test ALL children every morning | 22:59 |
| de-facto | yes because of those damn MPs they always press for openings and Merkel has to fight them to sanity | 22:59 |
| de-facto | some of those MPs are purely insane with their suggestions | 23:00 |
| rpifan | its the first time i actually felt merkel was trying | 23:00 |
| de-facto | If we always just followed Merkels suggestions we would be much much better off already | 23:01 |
| de-facto | the MPs are the real problem | 23:01 |
| de-facto | well maybe except Soeder | 23:01 |
| de-facto | i hope people take notes which MPs are opening schools first and dont vote for them anymore | 23:02 |
| rpifan | isnt soeder too right wing tho | 23:02 |
| de-facto | i dont think so | 23:03 |
| de-facto | he is conservative and careful | 23:03 |
| rpifan | idk | 23:03 |
| rpifan | im a left winger | 23:03 |
| rpifan | so im suspicouos of right ppl | 23:03 |
| rpifan | im certain there will be a 3rd wave | 23:03 |
| de-facto | actually that all is fine (i dont care at all about those every day politics right now), all i care about is that they follow the statistics and model prognosis, they already can see on other countries the consequences of their decisions | 23:04 |
| rpifan | yea | 23:05 |
| rpifan | well spain was doing better | 23:05 |
| de-facto | a really close look at Portugal would reveal what happens when reopening too soon | 23:06 |
| de-facto | exactly with the B.1.1.7 variant | 23:07 |
| rpifan | well portugal | 23:07 |
| rpifan | did fuck up | 23:07 |
| de-facto | yet right now they achieved R<1 again http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ | 23:10 |
| de-facto | over all it looks not too bad right now, but the problem always emerged from being not strict enough in the times when it looks well, because when its bad of course more efforts will be invested into containment, yet if its bad (R>1) its already too late | 23:12 |
| rpifan | exactly | 23:13 |
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