| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +5268 cases (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +1889 cases (now 869747), +15 deaths (now 22004) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +2379 cases (now 1.1 million) since 22 hours ago | 00:13 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: White House says 'no' to sharing vaccines with Canada and Mexico → https://is.gd/XZZxZU | 00:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazil's hospitals reach breaking point as health minister blames new coronavirus variants → https://is.gd/mo8yTE | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO panel: Hydroxychloroquine should not be used to prevent COVID-19 → https://is.gd/zZgJTk | 01:37 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Clean break: the risk of catching Covid from surfaces overblown, experts say (10051 votes) | https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/28/clean-break-the-risk-of-catching-covid-from-surfaces-overblown-experts-say | https://redd.it/lv9cx1 | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +5752 cases (now 4.2 million), +124 deaths (now 123018) since 22 hours ago | 01:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What to know about the side effects of the COVID-19 vaccination: You've gone through the appointment rigmarole to get signed up for a COVID vaccine, got your first shot, waited the required three to four week period for your second. But when that booster dose comes, be warned that you might be experiencing symptoms a few hours later. → https://is.gd/tIfrUR | 01:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fraud overwhelms pandemic-related unemployment programs → https://is.gd/BXf4Xn | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +17 deaths (now 9988) since 10 hours ago | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan asks China to stop anal tests on its citizens → https://is.gd/Bx6Hrm | 02:39 |
| LjL | oh can't we act like grownups, if China found these tests effective, it would honestly bother me less than the "feeling like they went up my brain" thing many describe about nasal swabs | 02:42 |
| LjL | "The tests are used on some of those quarantined or entering China, he also said, noting their use "has not been confirmed anywhere else in the world". " | 02:42 |
| LjL | at the same time, China has virtually no cases. maybe for once instead of being appalled at what they do we should see if they're doing useful things | 02:43 |
| LjL | first it was the US complaining that American diplomats received this type of swab. yeah well if everyone entering China does, why the hell would they be exempted? | 02:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The truthtellers China created a story of the pandemic. These people revealed details Beijing left out. Some disappeared → https://is.gd/9zsdbh | 03:20 |
| asdflkj | IMO couldn't have done a much better job hurting the rest of the world (suppressing covid truth until it left China, then nailing people into their houses) if they had purposefully planned it (eg. as revenge on the US administration that had been sanctioning them so much) | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: WHO: ‘Premature,’ ‘unrealistic’ to think Covid-19 will end soon → https://is.gd/0rhAnn | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +5602 cases (now 4.2 million), +114 deaths (now 123044) since 21 hours ago — France: +10337 cases (now 3.8 million) since 7 hours ago — Netherlands: +2831 cases (now 1.1 million), +16 deaths (now 15642) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +2235 cases (now 871251), +21 deaths (now 22013) since 21 hours ago | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +783 cases (now 772294), +29 deaths (now 22106) since a day ago | 05:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: WHO panel issues strong advice against hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/xPjpxA | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Biden urged to stop blocking of COVID-19 WTO waiver suggested by India and S Africa → https://is.gd/TTTQBx | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Johnson & Johnson's newly-approved Covid vaccine met with pushback as Catholic diocese condemns it for ‘ties to abortion cells’ → https://is.gd/PNwBBv | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: COVID-19 International Border Surveillance Cohort Study at Toronto's Pearson Airport by Vivek Goel et al, made available as preprint on 2021-03-01 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.02.25.21252404 [... want %more?] | 07:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardy, Italy: +2135 cases (now 605216), +42 deaths (now 28403) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +6139 cases (now 4.2 million), +117 deaths (now 123070) since 12 hours ago — France: +11519 cases (now 3.8 million), +142 deaths (now 86879) since 10 hours ago — Netherlands: +3737 cases (now 1.1 million), +21 deaths (now 15647) since 7 hours ago | 07:59 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: CDC: 10% of U.S. Adult Population Fully Vaccinated for COVID-19 (10026 votes) | https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-03-01/cdc-10-of-us-adult-population-fully-vaccinated-for-coronavirus | https://redd.it/lvm1mu | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: Hepatitis C Vaccine Fails Testing: A vaccine regimen intended to prevent chronic HCV infection was tested in a double blind placebo-controlled trial. It failed. The incidence of chronic HCV infection was the same in the vaccinated group as in the placebo group. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/vFT2cz | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pfizer, Oxford vaccines reduce severe COVID-19 in elderly, study finds → https://is.gd/F07U3m | 09:50 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Do you trust information from China? | 10:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Novavax hopes to file for US vaccine approval in 2nd quarter of 2021: US biotech company Novavax said Monday it hopes to file for British approval of its COVID-19 vaccine at the start of the second quarter of 2021, and to do the same soon after in the United States. → https://is.gd/zQxXwM | 10:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: The ‘other’ epidemic: Amid Covid-19, addiction experts fear Biden could back-burner the overdose crisis: Fatal drug overdoses in the U.S. reached an all-time high in 2020. But with Covid-19 causing even more carnage, addiction advocates worry the nation’s “other” epidemic has become a second-tier… → https://is.gd/TIB1hs | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: SARS-CoV-2 lateral flow assays for possible use in national covid-19 seroprevalence surveys (React 2): diagnostic accuracy study: AbstractObjectiveTo evaluate the performance of new lateral flow immunoassays (LFIAs) suitable for use in a national coronavirus disease 2019 (covid-19) seroprevalence programme (real time assessment... → https://is.gd/2cFawX | 11:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: France allows Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine for people over 65: The French health authority cited 'encouraging' preliminary results of a large Scottish study on the impact of the vaccine on COVID-19 hospitalizations. → https://is.gd/H4Q50s | 12:24 |
| de-facto | so indeed as i said USA is unwilling to export vaccines (in contrast to Europe) | 12:48 |
| de-facto | <Brainstorm> | 12:48 |
| de-facto | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: White House says 'no' to sharing vaccines with Canada and Mexico → https://is.gd/XZZxZU | 12:48 |
| de-facto | merica first! great friends. | 12:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese vaccines sweep much of the world, despite concerns. → https://is.gd/zTvJJq | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Man 'who has fathered 35 children' by offering sperm donations online says demand has risen during COVID pandemic → https://is.gd/4C5tVy | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Helen Salisbury: Stepping back from vaccination priorities and focusing on minimising the risk of exposure: In the last week, many GPs have been trying to make sense of new lists of patients coded as being at high risk of complications from covid-19 who are therefore a priority for vaccination. We’ve been... → https://is.gd/fsHZ80 | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malta: +336 cases (now 22993), +3 deaths (now 319) since a day ago | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: Regular tests a 'game-changer' for schools, says science adviser → https://is.gd/ioEf1I | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @bio_clouseau: RT by @Dereklowe: $MRK to help with $JNJ manufacturing https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/03/02/merck-johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine-partnership/ → https://is.gd/9wbEAf | 14:09 |
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| najari[m] | Gibraltar has vaccinated its population 109.2% https://covidvax.org , why? | 14:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 vaccines: authorised → https://is.gd/xlCRKA | 15:01 |
| Arsanerit | najari[m]: that's the number of doses given, not number of people vaccinated | 15:06 |
| de-facto | yeah of course, because the "normal" before was insane in terms of biosecurity (obviously as the pandemic proved) | 15:06 |
| de-facto | there is no "back to normal" ever. | 15:07 |
| Arsanerit | How should be the new normal after covid-19 is over be different from the old normal, from a biosecurity point of view? | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Merck will help J&J make its Covid-19 vaccine; Trump used hospital funds to bankroll Warp Speed → https://is.gd/AwYeEm | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: STAT+ Conversations: The hidden impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic: STAT co-founder and executive editor Rick Berks sits down with STAT's Usha Lee Mcfarling to discuss hidden impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic. → https://is.gd/Mzk1Hr | 15:22 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Covid-19, conferenza stampa sul nuovo Dpcm ( http://www.governo.it/it/articolo/covid-19-conferenza-stampa-sul-nuovo-dpcm/16341 ) | 15:30 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Much of the world is seeing coronavirus cases fall. But Brazil’s outbreak is worse than ever. If Brazil does not control the virus, it will be the world's largest open laboratory for the virus to mutate. → https://is.gd/HUydU7 | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1130 cases (now 558622) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +5154 cases (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: PA admits giving first vaccines to government officials rather than healthcare staff → https://is.gd/h78js4 | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA review of regdanvimab for COVID-19 to support national decisions on early use, , 02/03/2021: EMA is conducting a review of Celltrion’s monoclonal antibody regdanvimab (CT-P59) to support national authorities who may decide on the use of this... → https://is.gd/DM5Z6D | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer vaccine: Overweight people might need bigger dose, Italian study says → https://is.gd/ZMkx7c | 16:26 |
| de-facto | the new normal should not allow for the next pandemic to unfold, so i think we need to implement biosecurity concepts especially traveling and tourism. Quite annoying that it still is not implemented after one year. | 16:28 |
| de-facto | if we just ignore the fatal flaws this pandemic demonstrated in that regard we knowingly allow for the next one to spread just as fast and maybe wipe out the majority of humanity. | 16:29 |
| de-facto | so there just cant be "back to (the old) normal" ever. | 16:29 |
| de-facto | just imagine something like rabies going airborne... that would be absolutely catastrophic with current non-existent biosecurity | 16:31 |
| de-facto | the rapid global spread of all those SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern demonstrate that despite the pandemic we still basically have no effective bio-security concepts in place *at all* :( | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +3909 cases (now 1.1 million), +43 deaths (now 15669) since 16 hours ago | 16:41 |
| de-facto | we have fast internet connections and could use robotic logistics, we dont need transporting humans (and and thier pathogen) internationally with a latency of a few hours to days | 16:42 |
| de-facto | international travel by any human without at least 3 weeks quarantine (or complete isolation from either target or source region) should not be tolerated anymore | 16:44 |
| de-facto | why did VoCs spread now so fast? | 16:44 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Negligible impact of SARS-CoV-2 variants on CD4+ and CD8+ T cell reactivity in COVID-19 exposed donors and vaccinees. (86 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.27.433180v1 | https://redd.it/lvwkc9 | 16:45 |
| de-facto | Stupid humans traveled internationally for Christmas and New Years. Without any proper reason, just because they like to be entertained by their family in person. This is beyond stupid. | 16:45 |
| de-facto | CoronaBot, sounds good :) | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Quanta Magazine: New Season of The Joy of x Podcast Explores Scientists’ Inner Lives: In a second season of enlightened conversations, Steven Strogatz and leading researchers nourish our pandemic-starved minds. The post first appeared on Quanta Magazine . → https://is.gd/BXzM6K | 16:47 |
| de-facto | fortunately CD4/8+ cell reactions are individual enough that probability of convergent selection pressure by them is much lower than from highly specific nAbs like IgG from memory b-cells against ancestors to the VoCs | 16:48 |
| de-facto | hence cellular immunity might mitigate antibody-leaky vaccines in regard to new VoCs | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China proposes free travel to US based on recognition of Covid-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/Iair0z | 16:58 |
| de-facto | there travel restrictions lifting already planed. this is beyond stupid. | 16:59 |
| de-facto | i really really do hope tourism industry and aviation will go bankrupt and vanish until then (i know unrealistic because they will put shitloads of taxmoney into those companies to prevent that from happening) | 17:00 |
| de-facto | as long as citizens tolerate this it will happen again and again and maybe next time with a much more deadly pathogen. its not a question of if but when it will happen | 17:01 |
| de-facto | allowing traveling of vaccinated is just not acceptable at all | 17:04 |
| de-facto | example: Vaccinated with the AZ shot that does not protect well from getting infected with the B.1.351 VoC can obviously transmit that pathogen with a delay of just the flight time if no quarantine is made strictly mandatory | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +19 deaths (now 22015) since 23 hours ago | 17:06 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: You propose to essentially stop all international travel forever? | 17:08 |
| de-facto | another example: even if 90% protection would be achieved from asymptomatic infection with the most effective vaccines (e.g. mRNA) and the most non-concerning variants (e.g. D614G) it only would reduce the transmission risk to 10% hence every 10 potential cases one becomes infected | 17:08 |
| Arsanerit | No more family visits, no more foreign vacations, no more international tourism? | 17:09 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, until there is no proper biosecurity concept in place, yes of course | 17:09 |
| Arsanerit | I thought you meant that was your proper biosecurity concept. | 17:09 |
| Arsanerit | What would a proper biosecurity concept that still allows for international family visits and tourism look like? | 17:09 |
| de-facto | well its a bit like lockdown, because we have no better concept we unspecifically close every possibility, its an indication for the lack of knowledge to implement a better concept that that | 17:10 |
| de-facto | well the most simple thinkable concept would require mandatory strict quarantine (as its done in China and New Zealand etc) | 17:11 |
| Arsanerit | Requiring mandatory strict quarantine for 2-3 weeks forever is essentially the same as killing all international tourism or family visits. | 17:11 |
| de-facto | maybe for pilots etc they also could be strictly prohibited to have any human contact at target location (hence be in complete isolation) for immediate return to the source location | 17:12 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, those are unnecessary anyhow in times of video calls etc | 17:13 |
| Arsanerit | That's rather strict to impose forever. | 17:13 |
| de-facto | well until we have a better concept its the only way to prevent such spread of pathogen | 17:13 |
| de-facto | idk do you have a better idea how to prevent such spreads? | 17:13 |
| Arsanerit | In times of pandemics, I agree that such restrictions should be imposed. | 17:13 |
| Arsanerit | In other times, it would appear to be exaggerated. | 17:14 |
| de-facto | well as it was before it obviously allowed for the pandemic to unfold | 17:14 |
| de-facto | so if that is not a desired scenario it would make sense to think about how to prevent that from happening again | 17:14 |
| de-facto | i know cutting down any traveling is drastic but effective, it should motivate smarter approaches | 17:15 |
| de-facto | imho its the fault of tourism industry that ignored that issue for too long, it was known before by how influenza spreads etc | 17:17 |
| de-facto | the "cheaper is better" approach by airlines like ryanair demonstrates their attitude | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Oregon’s Logging Industry Says It Can’t Afford New Taxes. But Prices Have Never Been Higher and Profits Are Soaring.: by Rob Davis , The Oregonian/OregonLive , and Tony Schick , Oregon Public Broadcasting ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/JIVc4R | 17:19 |
| de-facto | imho airlines should convert their fleet to cargo transport and provide their pilots isolated shelter in quarantine at the target location until their cargo is unloaded and return cargo is loaded so flights always should be ping-pong with quarantine at target location | 17:21 |
| de-facto | instead they probably are going for restaurants and doing a party | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ | 17:29 |
| Arsanerit | Prevent it from happening again, by responding more quickly when it starts. | 17:35 |
| Arsanerit | sars-cov-1 and ebola did not spread to be pandemics | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Expressive Writing for the Management of Stress in Cancer Survivors → https://is.gd/XA6lH5 | 17:40 |
| jiffe | do some of these vaccines require more than 2 doses? | 17:44 |
| Arsanerit | Do yearly boosters count? | 17:45 |
| jiffe | I'm just looking at https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/ and I would assume that "people vaccinated (1 dose)" + 2 * "people vaccinated (2 doses)" would about equal "vaccine doses administered" | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: Safety and Efficacy of USB002 for Respiratory Distress Due to COVID-19: Conditions : 2019 Novel Coronavirus Infection; COVID-19 Virus Infection; SARS Coronavirus 2 Infection; SARS-CoV-2 Infection; Respiratory Distress Syndrome, Adult; Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome → https://is.gd/B6EvuX | 17:51 |
| jiffe | china is still only reporting 90k cases? did they just stop counting? | 17:55 |
| Arsanerit | maybe they banned counting | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Semen Analysis Parameters Following Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine → https://is.gd/LBJ3O5 | 18:02 |
| LjL | jiffe, no, they stopped allowing people outside whenever there's a cluster, even small | 18:03 |
| LjL | which pertains also to Arsanerit's question | 18:03 |
| LjL | i get it that nobody likes China | 18:03 |
| LjL | but why is it that when New Zealand has virtually zero cases, they were just very effective at lockdowns | 18:04 |
| LjL | while if China also has mostly zero cases, they're only effective at lying? | 18:04 |
| LjL | why all this ridiculous bad publicity over anal swabs? maybe they found they work better, sheesh, it's not a much bigger deal than feeling a swab "into your brain" like many say | 18:04 |
| LjL | maybe we should evaluate things they do and see if they make sense, instead of just assuming they're insane and/or lying | 18:05 |
| jiffe | their count has gone up by pretty much 0 and they've had a few lockdowns since, I highly doubt this number is anywhere near accurate | 18:05 |
| LjL | and speaking of being insane, look at the clinical trial Brainstorm posted just above, they really need to do that because "people" have started rumoring that the vaccines cause infertility | 18:05 |
| LjL | so now they must set out to prove they do not, except i expect if "people" get to know about this study, even before any results come out, they'll go "IT'S TRUE THEN!" | 18:06 |
| LjL | jiffe, again, New Zealand has recently had *one* (1) community case (of the UK variant i believe), and what did they do? locked Auckland down | 18:06 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, well yes quicker response times would be good, but Ebola is a totally different pathogen and sars-cov-1 did not replicate as well as sars-cov-2 in the upper resp tract hence was less infectious, but response probably was better | 18:07 |
| LjL | China behaves the same way. if there's a cluster, even of an amount of cases you can count on one hand, they lock down that city or if it's huge, the neighborhood | 18:07 |
| LjL | and their lockdowns are pretty serious, you do *not* leave home | 18:07 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Why? Because China is a totalitarian dictatorship whereas New Zealand is a democracy. Maybe China ended community transmission, but I personally don't take their word for it. | 18:07 |
| de-facto | it was exactly the one wrong thing to do to evacuate infected people with flights from the epicenter of the start | 18:07 |
| LjL | so again, why do you doubt that for China while presumably yuo don't for New Zealand? Australia also acts similarlty | 18:07 |
| Arsanerit | I doubt it for China because we cannot confirm it from independent sources. | 18:08 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, okay then, let's stay blind and not learn anything from them and keep this thing around for the next 10 years | 18:08 |
| LjL | you can confirm it by their economy | 18:08 |
| Arsanerit | Australia and New Zealand seem to be doing well. | 18:08 |
| LjL | which isn't falling down the floor like ours | 18:08 |
| LjL | of course they do | 18:08 |
| LjL | New Zealand has had a financial rating upgrade, too | 18:08 |
| LjL | only country in the world | 18:08 |
| LjL | but here, instead, we DON'T want lockdowns "because of the economy" | 18:09 |
| LjL | except, the economy recovers better and faster WITH lockdowns | 18:09 |
| Arsanerit | It helps to be a remote island, but the fake lockdowns in Europe are insufficient. | 18:09 |
| LjL | and New Zealand shows us that, but also China shows us that | 18:09 |
| LjL | you can keep dissing China but without China we'd still mostly not have FFP2 (N95) masks | 18:09 |
| Arsanerit | The lockdown including industry should be Europe-wide. | 18:09 |
| LjL | the *vast* majority of them still come from China. they may be shoddy, not very effective, etc, but we just can't produce any meaningful amount ourselves | 18:09 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, yes, i agree, and guess what's an example of not-an-island where doing global lockdowns, and then tight track-and-trace, helped, even though sure, new cases pop up at borders and have to be handled, etc...? China. | 18:10 |
| LjL | they also don't allow people to fly in without OMG ANAL SWABS | 18:10 |
| LjL | ask de-facto what he thinks about Europe still allowing flights from here and there | 18:11 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Yes, I do believe it's probably true that they have it under control. | 18:11 |
| Arsanerit | But I also believe that if there is something they don't want us to know, we probably won't unless someone takes big risks in getting the information out. | 18:11 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, sure, it's just that i don't take that as the default stance: it seems like for some people, whenever things in China seem to be going better than here, they MUST be hiding things | 18:12 |
| LjL | it's unthinkable that they're just handling them better, i feel there is a bit of racist sentiment behind that, tbh | 18:12 |
| Arsanerit | How are ROK and Japan doing these days? | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): (CBDRA60) to Prevent or Reduce Symptoms of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/ymFbLK | 18:12 |
| Arsanerit | %cases South Korea | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bosnia and Herz.: +2109 cases (now 133088), +74 deaths (now 5145) since 4 days ago — United Kingdom: +6391 cases (now 4.2 million), +343 deaths (now 123296) since 22 hours ago | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: Sorry, South Korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:13 |
| LjL | they are doing okayish | 18:13 |
| LjL | Japan is having issues | 18:13 |
| Arsanerit | %cases Republic of Korea | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: Sorry, Republic of Korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:13 |
| LjL | hmm | 18:13 |
| LjL | %cases Korea, South | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, Korea, South not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:13 |
| LjL | let me figure this out | 18:13 |
| LjL | or meanwhile | 18:13 |
| LjL | !cases South Korea | 18:13 |
| CovBot | In Korea, South there have been a total of 90,372 cases as of 2021-03-02 16:47:00 UTC. Of these 7,428 (8.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 81,338 (90.0%) have definitely recovered and 1,606 (1.8%) have died. | 18:13 |
| Arsanerit | LjL, do you think the type of lockdown done in China, Australia, or New Zealand would be accepted by the general public in European countries or North America — which is I think the strategy proposed by Zero Covid https://zero-covid.org/language/en/ ? If people don't respect existing lockdowns, will they respect stricter ones? | 18:15 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, i don't know. but i think the reasoning "if they don't respect looser ones, they won't respect stricter ones" doesn't necessarily hold | 18:15 |
| Arsanerit | I agree it doesn't necessarily hold. | 18:16 |
| LjL | a higher sense of urgency and emergency, communicated the right way, could make people behave differently | 18:16 |
| Arsanerit | "Kids go to school, I go to work, so why can't I meet my mates in the park?" | 18:16 |
| LjL | good example, "we can do x so why not y" | 18:17 |
| LjL | answer: "now you can't do x!" | 18:17 |
| LjL | i wonder what's wrong with Brainstorm, the term is definitely "South Korea" on covidly | 18:17 |
| de-facto | .cases Vietnam | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Vietnam, there have been 2472 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 35 deaths (1.4% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 2.0 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 18:17 |
| de-facto | .cases Taiwan | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Taiwan, there have been 955 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 9 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 2 days ago. 314951 tests were performed (0.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. | 18:17 |
| de-facto | .cases China | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In China, there have been 95448 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 4739 deaths (5.0% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 160.0 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. | 18:18 |
| de-facto | .cases Thailand | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Thailand, there have been 26073 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 84 deaths (0.3% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 1.6 million tests were performed (1.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data. | 18:18 |
| LjL | Japan appears to have a skyrocketing rate of suicides, fwiw :( | 18:18 |
| de-facto | .cases Hong Kong | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Hong Kong, there have been 11033 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 200 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 6 hours ago. 8.6 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hong%20Kong for time series data. | 18:19 |
| de-facto | btw notice all of those are not islands | 18:19 |
| Arsanerit | .cases Iceland | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Iceland, there have been 6055 confirmed cases (1.7% of the population) and 29 deaths (0.5% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 502521 tests were performed (1.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iceland for time series data. | 18:20 |
| * LjL notes the % of the population | 18:22 | |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 antibodies detected in human breast milk post-vaccination (84 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.23.21252328v1 | https://redd.it/lw4vvg | 18:22 |
| Arsanerit | It seems most (all?) European nations prefer the "hammer and dance" strategy rather than the "zero covid" strategy, but fail to do the hammer strongly enough and if they didn't fail with the "dance" before, they do now that variants of concern become dominant. | 18:22 |
| de-facto | so with the current pandemic spreading those countries demonstrated that it is possible to contain it with an appropriate concept, hence we should ask ourselves if our strategy obviously failed after one year if there might be something new to learn from this | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): International COVID-19 Clinical Evaluation Registry -2 (HOPE-2) → https://is.gd/VcnJMN | 18:23 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: you mean like https://zero-covid.org/language/en/ ? They had a rather convincing supplement to a newspaper I subscribe to. | 18:23 |
| de-facto | well yes imho it does not make sense to tolerate that the cause of our current problems persists | 18:25 |
| Arsanerit | cause of our current problems — animal agriculture? | 18:25 |
| de-facto | i meant the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen circulating | 18:26 |
| de-facto | well one could think about all of that too but right now we have to prevent human to human transmission and yes ofc in future also prevent new pathogen from animals etc | 18:27 |
| de-facto | i think zero covid is the only sane strategy, it becomes exponentially more easy to contain with low incidence | 18:28 |
| de-facto | or to state the opposite: every day with exponential increase makes it exponentially more difficult to contain | 18:28 |
| Arsanerit | they seem to be going the other way :/ | 18:30 |
| de-facto | yes it looks like that, i hope tomorrow they wont decide anything more stupid | 18:32 |
| LjL | oh duh. spent a lot of time trying to figure out why the bot wasn't working with South Korea, and only now realized that *my code* was explicitly turning it into "Korea, South" because that's how tinwhiskers's db had it ;( | 18:33 |
| de-facto | the B.1.1.7 is about to dominate incidence | 18:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Where are we on vaccines and variants?: Have any new variants emerged?We’ve heard a lot about B.1.1.7 (first detected in the UK), B.1.351 (first detected in South Africa), and P.1 (detected in Manaus, Brazil), but other variants have also... → https://is.gd/NClpFc | 18:33 |
| LjL | our new PM fired the previous "COVID commissioner" and appointed a (former?) army general in his place | 18:34 |
| LjL | i wonder if picking a military person is trying to send a message | 18:34 |
| LjL | %cases South Korea | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In South Korea, there have been 90372 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 1606 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. 6.7 million tests were performed (1.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 18:35 |
| de-facto | neat :) | 18:35 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: it doesn't already? | 18:36 |
| de-facto | i think so, it was at 22% or such on week 6 | 18:39 |
| de-facto | it portion of incidence followed an exponential like R^g with R~1.44 to R~1.8 and g being the number of generations by ~5.2d | 18:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine easy to update in response to variants: (HealthDay)—A COVID-19 vaccine still awaiting U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval may prove to be a powerful weapon in fighting the pandemic, according to its developers. → https://is.gd/B1NsFv | 18:43 |
| Arsanerit | Could very frequent testing be an alternative to a zero covid lockdown? Zero covid lockdown except for anyone with a negative test from the last 24 hours or a vaccination in the last 12 months? | 18:44 |
| LjL | look at what other EU countries are doing to get their vaccines now https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-results-public-health-england-b921793.html | 18:50 |
| LjL | scroll down to "in extraordinary development" (yeah well, it's the Standard) | 18:50 |
| Arsanerit | How are those developments extraordinary? | 18:51 |
| de-facto | we dont know how well vaccination protects from transmission, especially for new variants | 18:53 |
| de-facto | if incidence is allowed to stay high there will be a lot of reproduction in partially immunized hence we cant breed more effectively evasive mutants | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Fauci says U.S. will stay with two doses of Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: The United States will stick with its plan to give millions of Americans two doses of the Pfizer and Moderna coronavirus vaccines, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Monday. → https://is.gd/ymtxM5 | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: Some quick thoughts on the current vaccine situation, and how it applies to Novavax and others:https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/03/02/early-march-vaccine-thoughts → https://is.gd/BMAXgt | 19:15 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Covid-19, il Presidente Draghi firma il nuovo Dpcm ( http://www.governo.it/it/articolo/covid-19-il-presidente-draghi-firma-il-nuovo-dpcm/16343 ) | 19:25 | |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Merck Will Help Manufacture Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 Vaccine: Merck traditionally has been a leader in vaccines but has not had success with a COVID-19 vaccine. It's lending a hand to Johnson & Johnson, where production is running significantly behind schedule. → https://is.gd/L3vmd1 | 19:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +1341 cases (now 193372), +7 deaths (now 1092) since a day ago — Italy: +17063 cases (now 3.0 million), +343 deaths (now 98288) since a day ago | 19:54 |
| asdflkj | TIL that annual road accidents deaths¹ are about 90% or more as high as 2020 COVID-19 deaths² ¹https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate#/media/File:Leading_cause_of_death_world.png ²https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_deaths#2020 | 20:06 |
| asdflkj | (worldwide) | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: United States should get vaccines to Canada and Mexico next, U.S. lawmaker urges → https://is.gd/LxNLPg | 20:07 |
| asdflkj | so say lockdowns halve the deaths from COVID. maybe banning road travel would save about twice as many lives | 20:10 |
| skruffen[m] | https://www.aier.org/article/lockdowns-do-not-control-the-coronavirus-the-evidence/ | 20:12 |
| asdflkj | skruffen[m]: good point. their's no evidence strict lockdowns make any difference (compared to targeted weak/elderly “quarantine”s) IIUC | 20:15 |
| asdflkj | so it seems to me there's no argument for having lockdowns without banning cars too | 20:16 |
| asdflkj | or in other words, if the amount of death cars cause is acceptible, any death caused by no lockdowns is more acceptable | 20:17 |
| asdflkj | there's no reason to allow cars and not allow everything that lockdowns prohibit, is there? | 20:19 |
| skruffen[m] | or junkfood | 20:29 |
| skruffen[m] | shut down junkfood and save a bunch of lifes | 20:29 |
| LjL | asdflkj, do you realize that about 50% of people who get COVID have long-term symptoms for at least six months, possibly an indefinite time? it's not just about deaths. and of course those who don't die but are hospitalized with serious lung issues will continue to have serious lung issues for life | 20:31 |
| LjL | but also there's a reason self-driving cars are being developed at speed | 20:31 |
| LjL | and this seems like whataboutism | 20:31 |
| asdflkj | tons of people who get in car accidents have long term effects | 20:32 |
| LjL | "people die from X so why should we care about stopping Y unless we also stop X" | 20:32 |
| asdflkj | yeah, what about whataboutism? “you argument involves comparisons, we shouldn't care about stopping Y unless we stop comparing to X”? | 20:33 |
| asdflkj | your* | 20:33 |
| LjL | plus, unless COVID is stopped or at least (sigh) kept under some control, it rises exponentially. road accidents don't rise exponentially, they stay roughly what they are, hopefully go down with better safety features. | 20:34 |
| asdflkj | that | 20:35 |
| LjL | well whataboutism is widely considered a fallacy | 20:35 |
| LjL | i think i'll go with that | 20:35 |
| asdflkj | > it rises exponentially < that's a better argument | 20:35 |
| asdflkj | OTOH it also goes down by itself if herd immunity is reached | 20:36 |
| LjL | unless it creates an escaping variant and reinfects everyone instead | 20:36 |
| LjL | which it is likely to do once enough people are immune that there's evolutionary pressure to do so | 20:36 |
| LjL | it appears to have occurred in Manaus in Brazil | 20:37 |
| asdflkj | you could almost use that as an argument against vaccines | 20:37 |
| asdflkj | but not really I guess | 20:37 |
| LjL | anyway, count how many deaths you're going to have if we assume we let it run free and in a year 70% of the population will have got it (assuming 70% is enough for herd immunity, which i always doubted slightly)... | 20:38 |
| LjL | asdflkj, it is a threat to vaccine efficacy, for sure | 20:38 |
| LjL | but with mRNA vaccines at least, we can adapt them to variants somewhat quickly | 20:38 |
| LjL | it's not a great situation by any means | 20:38 |
| LjL | it would be ideal, as de-facto always says, to vaccinate everyone at "the same time" as much as possible | 20:39 |
| asdflkj | yeah, I don't think it's really an argument against vaccines, they don't kill as many people in the process of causing immunity | 20:39 |
| LjL | to give as little space as possible for the virus to develop vaccine-escaping mutations | 20:39 |
| LjL | but that's just not happening due to logistics | 20:39 |
| LjL | what i also say is that it would be great if we could all use *very effective* vaccines like the mRNA ones | 20:40 |
| asdflkj | right | 20:40 |
| LjL | not weak ones like AZ and J&J which may also be just strong enough (weak enough) to instigate escaping variants | 20:40 |
| LjL | but given we have barely any of... any... that's how it is | 20:40 |
| LjL | de-facto | 20:56 |
| LjL | %tr <it Segnaliamo anche un altro dato relativo alla Lombardia: il 64% dei nuovi casi di Covid-19 è riconducibile alla variante inglese, come comunicato dalla Regione stessa, valore più che raddoppiato rispetto all’analoga indagine condotta a metà febbraio. | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: We also report another data relating to Lombardy: 64% of new cases of Covid-19 are attributable to the English variant, as communicated by the Region itself, a value more than doubled compared to the similar survey conducted in mid-February. (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 20:56 |
| LjL | Il Sole 24 Ore has good daily analyses of the situation... only on the italian page though | 20:56 |
| LjL | i wonder though if i can read what they wrote on *previous* days anywhere. i don't see an obvious way to do so... except of course going to archive.org and hoping it has them | 20:57 |
| LjL | which it does, but not for every day :\ | 20:58 |
| calbasi_matrix | <Brainstorm "LjL, Italian to English: We also"> Here in Catalonia (Europe) TODAY we have passed the 50% of Bristish variant ;-) | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A senior Hungarian health official tried to allay fears about standards of care Tuesday, after several thousand hospital workers quit over new state contracts they say offered unacceptable terms. The row comes as the country tackles steeply rising Covid-19 infection case numbers and deaths → https://is.gd/VwwD1E | 21:01 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, molt bé | 21:01 |
| calbasi_matrix | I think a month ago it probably don't exceed 20% | 21:01 |
| calbasi_matrix | <LjL "calbasi, molt bé"> Home, tant com això... | 21:02 |
| LjL | the thing is, we haven't seen the SA variant start to predominate yet | 21:02 |
| LjL | that one really scares me | 21:02 |
| LjL | not that the UK variant doesn't... | 21:03 |
| calbasi_matrix | <calbasi_matrix "Here in Catalonia (Europe) TODAY"> Probably that is the reason our 3th wave is not getting down quickly, but slowly (Rt near 1) | 21:03 |
| de-facto | dangit 64% B.1.1.7 in Lombardia, i calculated 50% would be passed in 1st of March in Germany | 21:03 |
| LjL | hopefully(?) the UK variant is more contagious than the SA variant and has an edge that way. although if the SA variant evades vaccines and the UK variant doesn't, at some point the SA variant prevailing will be inevitable | 21:03 |
| de-facto | so that would be consistent i guess | 21:04 |
| LjL | de-facto, the analysis says that we're seeing a constant rise in ICU use across Italy, and usually that relates to cases from 2-3 weeks before, but this time we don't see a rise in cases 2-3 weeks ago, and their opinion is that we simply did too few testing, at least PCR... nowadays the official number of tests includes antigenic tests, but those provide different metrics | 21:05 |
| LjL | and then it says that it's different in Lombardy because while Lombardy also doesn't do enough testing, it has a much higher proportion of PCR compared to the rest of Italy, so we did see a rise in cases 2-3 weeks ago | 21:05 |
| LjL | damn i want to ask the newspaper if they can provide all the past "articles" for each day during the pandemic | 21:06 |
| LjL | but their twitter account doesn't appear to answer questions | 21:06 |
| LjL | not sure where it would be an effective place to ask | 21:06 |
| de-facto | well if the reproduction of D614G is below 1 while B.1.1.7 is above one its rise is hidden in overall endemic incidence so if its more severe it may cause rise in hospitalizations (hopefully thats not the case though) | 21:08 |
| LjL | hopefully :\ | 21:09 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't think i like this, and i suspect neither will you: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/si-lavora-passaporto-vaccinale-europeo-l-estate-ecco-cosa-conterra-AD9cNFNB | 21:09 |
| de-facto | yeah the electronic passports? | 21:10 |
| de-facto | vaccine green passports are not a good idea because vaccines are leaky | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: French data show 75% of AstraZeneca jabs unused: The French government was under pressure on Tuesday to accelerate its vaccination programme after new figures showed that three in four jabs delivered by AstraZeneca had gone unused. → https://is.gd/kFs7fG | 21:12 |
| de-facto | lobby of https://ourworldindata.org/tourism ? | 21:12 |
| sharkey | hello | 21:15 |
| asdflkj | hi | 21:15 |
| LjL | de-facto, actually, sort of, yeah. Italy is definitely one of the countries pushing for it :\ | 21:16 |
| sharkey | wuzzup | 21:16 |
| sharkey | LjL i am from italy | 21:16 |
| LjL | hi | 21:16 |
| sharkey | hi | 21:17 |
| sharkey | what's italy is pushing for? | 21:17 |
| LjL | sharkey, the european "vaccine passport" | 21:21 |
| LjL | it's not alone in that | 21:21 |
| LjL | mainly it's countries with a lot of tourism industry that want it | 21:22 |
| LjL | but i find it incredibly inappropriate at least during the time not everyone has access to the vaccine | 21:22 |
| sharkey | LjL: well right now in italy don't talk about vaccine passport | 21:22 |
| LjL | really shouldn't discriminate ability to travel based on a vaccine that i can't have | 21:22 |
| sharkey | vaccine campaign is just started | 21:22 |
| LjL | they may not talk about it to you, but they're definitely talking about it to the EU | 21:23 |
| sharkey | and it'll take months after talk about vaccine passport | 21:23 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Covid vaccines may stop spread ‘almost completely’ (10164 votes) | https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-results-public-health-england-b921793.html | https://redd.it/lw1q38 | 21:23 |
| LjL | it will take more than months to have everyone vaccinated. make it a couple of years minimum | 21:23 |
| sharkey | maybe, but it's not in the main debates of italy | 21:23 |
| sharkey | where are you from LjL | 21:24 |
| sharkey | ? | 21:24 |
| LjL | anyway, maybe due to the objection i just stated, the passport is meant to also be granted to people who have a negative test. but if we're allowing travel and tourism again just on the basis of a negative test, sigh... again we're just *thinking* we're helping the economy but it will just make the whole thing worse again | 21:24 |
| LjL | sharkey, i am in italy too | 21:24 |
| LjL | https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/si-lavora-passaporto-vaccinale-europeo-l-estate-ecco-cosa-conterra-AD9cNFNB | 21:24 |
| sharkey | dove? | 21:24 |
| LjL | milano | 21:24 |
| sharkey | e perch� parliamo inglese allora? | 21:24 |
| sharkey | ^^ | 21:24 |
| LjL | because it's an english-speaking channel | 21:25 |
| sharkey | milano dove? io pure | 21:25 |
| LjL | there are 280 people here other than you and me | 21:25 |
| LjL | zona fiera | 21:25 |
| sharkey | ok io naviglio grande | 21:25 |
| de-facto | if protection from symptomatic COVID is not even well for vaccines, how would they assume it would be ok to travel with such a passport | 21:39 |
| de-facto | i assume it would have to be valid for any approved vaccine | 21:39 |
| de-facto | such infections even could be selected to be the ones of concern | 21:42 |
| de-facto | obviously one would not want to import variants that can evade vaccinations | 21:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Ask the Pediatrician: Is it safe to travel over spring break this year? → https://is.gd/48Os6v | 21:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID vaccine websites violate disability laws, create inequity for the blind: Many COVID vaccination registration and information websites at the federal, state and local levels violate disability rights laws, hindering the ability of blind people to sign up for a potentially lifesaving vaccine, a KHN investigation has found. → https://is.gd/yX5rln | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: March 2, 2021 → https://is.gd/YFKYVa | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +16814 cases (now 3.8 million), +329 deaths (now 87132) since 20 hours ago — Germany: +4208 cases (now 2.5 million), +293 deaths (now 70980) since 22 hours ago — Spain: +154 deaths (now 69763) since a day ago — Canada: +2273 cases (now 872020), +20 deaths (now 22024) since 22 hours ago | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Texas And Mississippi To Lift COVID-19 Mask Mandates And Business Capacity Limits: Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says his order ensures "that all businesses and families in Texas have the freedom to determine their own destiny." Mississippi Gov. Tate Reeves tweeted: "It is time!" → https://is.gd/om86eA | 22:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mikhail Gorbachev, last Soviet leader, turns 90 in quarantine → https://is.gd/uChDqf | 22:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Politics: Biden promises enough Covid-19 vaccines to inoculate all adult Americans by the end of May → https://is.gd/tGpDaw | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Biden Says U.S. Will Have Vaccine Supply For All Adults By May, Prioritizes Teachers: President Biden moves his timeline up by two months, while directing all 50 states and the District of Columbia to move school workers up in line for vaccinations, beginning next week. → https://is.gd/X4a1oT | 23:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Togo: +153 cases (now 7086) since 23 hours ago | 23:50 |
| xeneca[m] | <LjL "anyway, maybe due to the objecti"> Correct, it should be at least two negative anal swabs. | 23:59 |
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