| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +9105 cases (now 2.5 million) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +2957 cases (now 899906), +30 deaths (now 22351) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +4995 cases (now 1.1 million) since 22 hours ago | 00:04 |
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| LjL | %tell arsanerit if I knew all the reasons why governments act certain ways wrt the vaccines then presumably the contracts would not all be either secret or full of censored out parts... Anyway, definitely geopolitical reasons are part of it, the EU also didn't order Sputnik or the Chinese vaccines | 00:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, I'll pass Arsanerit your message when they are around. | 00:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: @paola Paola Resende: A potential SARS-CoV-2 variant of interest (VOI) harboring mutation E484K in the Spike protein was identified within lineage B.1.1.33 circulating in Brazil → https://is.gd/xOGltR | 00:08 |
| LjL | We don't have enough E484K in Brazil? | 00:08 |
| asdflkj | is Brainstorm Free? (if so, where can I see the source?) | 00:15 |
| LjL | asdflkj: not really, the bot core is called Jenni and you can find it on Github but I wouldn't recommend using it because it's obsolete and unmaintained... But then all the COVID modules and stuff is pretty bad code that I run locally, not even remotely releasable | 00:22 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Novavax Confirms High Levels of Efficacy Against Original and Variant COVID-19 Strains in United Kingdom and South Africa Trials (83 votes) | http://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-confirms-high-levels-efficacy-against-original-and | https://redd.it/m30xmc | 00:22 |
| asdflkj | thanks. I was just wanting to try `sed -i 's/old.reddit.com/teddit.net/', running it in a test channel, and offering the patch if it worked well, I wouldn't judge the code quality | 00:26 |
| LjL | asdflkj: I had the same idea in mind actually, to run a mirror copy of the feeds in ##covid-ticker just to see if it'd post the same posts | 00:26 |
| LjL | I just... you know, I have days when I do things and others when my head races against itself | 00:27 |
| asdflkj | great minds think alike :D | 00:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canadian health officials watching probes of AstraZeneca vaccine, but see no sign it causes blood clots → https://is.gd/rC4TsG | 00:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Biden will compel states to make vaccines available for all adults by May 1: The White House will compel state, local, and tribal governments to make Covid-19 vaccines available to all American adults no later than May 1, Biden administration officials said on Thursday. → https://is.gd/Vz39jF | 00:39 |
| LjL | asdflkj, i'll have to literally s/reddit/teddit/ in the output and still get the actual rss feeds from reddit... teddit offers rss but for a start a lot of the feeds come from my user's multireddit that teddit doesn't seem to know about | 01:05 |
| asdflkj | ah, so it is harder than just `sed -i *` on the source. thanks for investigating it! | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @jimsciutto: RT by @Dereklowe: Now this is good news:Biden will direct states to open vaccinations to all adults by May 1https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/11/politics/joe-biden-one-year-covid-address/index.html → https://is.gd/tiGMsc | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Missouri, United States: +82076 cases (now 581446) since 17 hours ago — New Caledonia: +7 cases (now 81) since a day ago | 01:19 |
| LjL | de-facto, some surreal italian stuff with the contact tracing app | 01:32 |
| LjL | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://www.punto-informatico.it/immuni-segnalazioni-in-autonomia-il-si-del-garante/ | 01:32 |
| LjL | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://www.punto-informatico.it/ce-anche-lapp-immuni-nel-primo-dpcm-di-draghi/ | 01:33 |
| LjL | i don't even understand... it says that "finally" users can report positive tests themselves, but of course you still need to have a code they give you, so... how did it work before? these articles suggest it was "mandatory" (except no one did it) for the entity that did the test to report it on the central system | 01:34 |
| LjL | but how would they do that? wasn't the whole premise of this system that reporting was under the user's control? | 01:34 |
| LjL | in other words i had assumed it was *always* the case that they'd give you a code and you'd report it in the app yourself. there's definitely always been a "Report positive test" function in the app | 01:34 |
| LjL | although the system used before had some vague wording that the whole thing would ensure the report would be anonymous - with the new system it says you have to type in the last 8 digits of your healthcare card, which doesn't sound very anonymous | 01:37 |
| LjL | anyway most people have forgotten about this app | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Documents reveal the Trudeau government warned Donald Trump not to cut off Canada’s supply of critical COVID-19 masks — or else → https://is.gd/2g3dhB | 01:40 |
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| de-facto | i think in the CWA its like one would scan the QR code to get the test result displayed and there is a separate setting (enabled on default) to directly transmit it to the server in order to mark all BLE beacons positive (hence inform other users) | 01:54 |
| de-facto | it was explained when checking in the QR code and it would have been possible to opt out of that automatic reporting to the central server | 01:54 |
| de-facto | when i did the test i left it on the preset (activated), so others would get the result as soon as its available | 01:55 |
| de-facto | its anonymous anyways, noone would know it was from me (well except if all my friends would have gotten the warning at the same time and would go Sherlock Holmes) | 01:56 |
| de-facto | for me it makes a lot of sense and i fully agree with their design approach | 01:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add Pfizer announcement of 2nd Israeli vaccination efficacy, and rela…: Add Pfizer announcement of 2nd Israeli vaccination efficacy, and related stuffShould really make some sense of that Danish paper, you can't have the same vaccine with incredibly high efficacy or NEGATIVE efficacy depending on who you ask! → https://is.gd/00zvWH | 02:01 |
| LjL | de-facto, unfortunately our app doesn't have any direct interface with the test results :( you have to provide codes back and forth | 02:10 |
| LjL | and now apparently you have to provide part of your healthcare card code, which is not very anonymous | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add EMA authorization of J&J vaccine: Also adding documents that are linked from there but seem of particular interest; making the statement that it works better for older people because it seems so from the table on page 7, but should look into this further → https://is.gd/8vZt1y | 02:12 |
| LjL | de-facto, anyway i just added the J&J EMA authorization to the page, and i noticed, on page 7 of https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/covid-19-vaccine-janssen-epar-product-information_en.pdf , that it seems despite the lowish general efficacy, efficacy goes *up* in older people, so much that it was 100% in people over 75. have you found this before? | 02:12 |
| de-facto | for me it was like the secretary of my MD printed out a paper and they associated the testing sample (with a label) with that paper they gave me, it was a howto CWA and the QR code, i scanned it and clicked on yes do it (all defaults) and it was pending on my result directly after the test | 02:12 |
| de-facto | then at the evening it displayed a notification "You have news in CWA" or such (without telling me more), so opening it revealed my (negative) result | 02:13 |
| LjL | de-facto, do you know of any sites with "numbers" about the CWA? i mean something like https://www.immuni.italia.it/dashboard.html - if your app process is much more streamlined, i would suspect there's much more reports than on ours | 02:13 |
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| de-facto | yeah rki, they LOVE pdfs, https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/WarnApp/Archiv_Kennzahlen/WarnApp_KennzahlenTab.html | 02:14 |
| LjL | de-facto, well, people think Germany is a bureaucratic country... but if i want to see my test result here in some electronic way, i must have a card chip reader with a driver for it on my computer, and have obtained a PIN code for the card's chip by physically going to the region's headquarters (which we've done in my family, but i assure you it was not straightforward). only then will you see your result on the computer - but completely separate from the | 02:14 |
| LjL | tracing app :( | 02:14 |
| de-facto | oh wow, well i dont know of any way to see it on my computer though only that CWA | 02:15 |
| de-facto | last time it was like: lab would send it via telefax (LMAO) to my MD and i would poll them via phone calls on the result | 02:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, damn, almost 10 million test results transmitted through the app... Immuni has 13719 positive tests at this time! and in total, less than 100k notifications | 02:16 |
| de-facto | actually summer 2020 | 02:16 |
| LjL | this country is frustrating | 02:17 |
| LjL | uhm but then it says, for CWA, that 267,679 users shared their positive result. so that's a lot more than 13719, but a lot less than 10 million | 02:18 |
| de-facto | still we would need more users for CWA | 02:18 |
| de-facto | yeah | 02:18 |
| LjL | so i guess 10 million is the tests processed and where the user was told positive-or-negative via the app? | 02:18 |
| de-facto | but 10M was both pos + neg | 02:18 |
| LjL | and then 267k the ones actually positive and who agreed to upload it | 02:18 |
| LjL | means around 2.6% positive right | 02:19 |
| LjL | makes sense | 02:19 |
| de-facto | not sure, since one would agree on uploading in advance? or if it was positive would it nag about doing it? no idea | 02:19 |
| LjL | don't know, anyway 2.6% sounds like a plausible positivity ratio | 02:20 |
| de-facto | 59% shared their positive result | 02:20 |
| LjL | oh that's not too high | 02:20 |
| LjL | i mean, i'm sure it's much much lower for us but that's mainly because people aren't given the codes and stuff to do it :\ | 02:21 |
| LjL | it also says (google translated) "There is no data on how many people are using the corona Warning app have been informed of a possible risk encounter, because the app is based on a decentralized approach" | 02:21 |
| de-facto | 10M results, 441k positive 268k shared | 02:21 |
| LjL | on the page for the Italian app, that information is available, albeit in a partial way: they used some trick with the hardware attestation in people's phone | 02:21 |
| LjL | so it says the number of notified users is only from the ones who have a phone with hardware attestation | 02:22 |
| LjL | makes me doubt somewhat that receiving a notification is *really* anonymous in our app | 02:22 |
| de-facto | what is hardware attesstation? | 02:23 |
| de-facto | certified fit for usage with the app? | 02:23 |
| de-facto | (what would make sense, BLE calibration data) | 02:24 |
| de-facto | (that would make sense, BLE calibration data) | 02:24 |
| LjL | de-facto, no, it's not that, but i don't know exactly what it is and how it works. i believe the *purpose* is to prevent people from hacking and and telling the server "hey, i've received an exposure notification!" when it isn't true, inflating the numbers | 02:27 |
| LjL | but a hardware attestation module is something in your phone that contains a unique private key | 02:27 |
| LjL | so in principle, if not used with privacy very much in mind, it can make you very identifiable | 02:27 |
| LjL | their phrasing is "Notifications of possible risk exposure generated by the application. The detection is partial since all notifications for iOS devices are detected and only a third of those sent by Android that have the necessary technology available to detect them safely." | 02:28 |
| de-facto | entering the health id card number also could identify you or not? | 02:28 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes, sure, but that is a new thing | 02:28 |
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| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Delaying second Pfizer-BioNTech dose could leave cancer patients with insufficient immunity (80 votes) | https://www.crick.ac.uk/news/2021-03-11_delaying-second-pfizer-biontech-dose-could-leave-cancer-patients-with-insufficient-immunity | https://redd.it/m2tv31 | 02:29 |
| LjL | i mean, "sure" as in, it could. i don't know if it does. the Punto Informatico article really isn't super clear on what the exact process is | 02:29 |
| de-facto | btw we now have a contact journal in our app (e.g. for noting down possible cluster situations as a diary) | 02:29 |
| LjL | i guess you only enter *part* of the healthcard number so it makes you, uuuuh, *partly* identifiable. i don't really know what the purpose of entering it is, when you already enter a unique code that's given to you and then invalidated | 02:30 |
| LjL | de-facto, do you use the official one or the F-Droid release? | 02:30 |
| de-facto | at some point i had both installed in parallel but got the impression the F-Droid one draws a lot of battery, so i nuked that one | 02:32 |
| de-facto | now only have the official one | 02:32 |
| LjL | oh, too bad | 02:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add sites with statistics for the German and Italian contact tracing … → https://is.gd/2AMLN0 | 02:32 |
| LjL | but it reminds me, my phone is also seemingly sucking a lot of battery and i was meaning to look at why then i forgot and now it's almost dead | 02:33 |
| de-facto | not sure if it was due to them torturing BLE in parallel though | 02:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, it might have been due to lack of push notifications in the F-Droid one | 02:33 |
| de-facto | i did never uninstall the official one because i wanted to keep my keys | 02:33 |
| LjL | so maybe it needed to poll some server often | 02:33 |
| de-facto | yeah maybe | 02:33 |
| de-facto | would make sense | 02:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, anyway sorry to insist, but would you look at the table on page 7 of https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/product-information/covid-19-vaccine-janssen-epar-product-information_en.pdf if you're not too tired? it would make the J&J vaccine seem very well suited for elderly if the effectiveness goes *up* so much with age (an assumption, for example in that strange Danish study, was that older and more frail people would have *less* vaccine efficacy) | 02:35 |
| LjL | and i wonder if AstraZeneca has a similar age profile | 02:35 |
| LjL | (maybe i saw it in the past, right now i don't remember) | 02:35 |
| LjL | but could it be just an effect of having fewer older people than younger people in the trial, and the data being less granular? | 02:36 |
| LjL | i.e. larger CI | 02:36 |
| de-facto | tbh I could not make sense of the danish numbers for AZ so far, hence i did not really comment on them | 02:36 |
| LjL | thank god for covidvax.org because if i had to look at phase 3 papers on my own page, what i'm looking for is never actually there | 02:36 |
| LjL | de-facto, they look pretty weird. but forget about those, look at J&J | 02:37 |
| LjL | i've got to say i'd be happier if all these vaccine makers made a phase 3 study paper public *before* being authorized left and right | 02:38 |
| de-facto | hmm how many trial participants had age > 75? | 02:38 |
| LjL | J&J has no phase 3 paper out afaik so we have to rely on FDA/EMA data | 02:38 |
| LjL | i don't know about the totals, but given 8 cases vs 0 cases, it must not have been a lot | 02:39 |
| LjL | in total, it's 116 cases vs 348 cases, so unless the people >75 were protecting themselves extremely well, there must not have been a lot of them | 02:39 |
| de-facto | exactly my thinking, so id like to see the exact demographics of their arms | 02:39 |
| LjL | (i'm looking at the data after 14 days, but 28 is kinda similar, just even less cases of course) | 02:40 |
| de-facto | if it was just a few over 75 then that 100% is just not significant maybe? (careful speculation!) | 02:40 |
| LjL | de-facto, well it would be great to look at that, let me grab the phase 3 paper... OH WAIT they don't have one :P | 02:40 |
| LjL | de-facto, well my own speculation is that "100%" is going to be 100% wrong :P but still, the efficacy could be quite high with 8 vs 0 cases, and then 3 vs 0 after 28 days (although that's even flimsier) | 02:41 |
| LjL | and also, the results hold for people >65 too | 02:41 |
| LjL | i.e. you have an efficacy of 82% of those, instead of the general 67%, which is quite a difference | 02:41 |
| de-facto | i want to know their trial cohort | 02:41 |
| LjL | and there are more cases there | 02:41 |
| LjL | yeah, agreed | 02:41 |
| de-facto | why is it not their first table in that pdf? | 02:42 |
| LjL | de-facto, because this is not a study paper... it's just the information given to doctors who provide the vaccine :\ | 02:42 |
| LjL | i imagine this table is so they can tell people "well see, you're 65, so the vaccine is 82% effective for you" | 02:42 |
| LjL | it's basically an information leaflet | 02:42 |
| LjL | it also has a simplified table of adverse reactions | 02:42 |
| LjL | i'd like to see the *full* discussion of adverse reactions, as usual | 02:43 |
| de-facto | hence they should write it at the first table, so MDs know how to use those Efficacy data | 02:43 |
| LjL | hopefully a study paper will be release before we get a vaccine! which seeeeems likely since i'll probably get the vaccine in 2023 or so | 02:43 |
| LjL | well what can i tell you, i don't make these things. i'm all for more transparency in all of this. | 02:44 |
| de-facto | LjL, also remember we discussed their adverse reactions | 02:45 |
| LjL | hmmm unless there is the study protocol somewhere and they discuss ages there | 02:45 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes, they looked a bit scary to me, but that was a phase 2 | 02:45 |
| de-facto | yeah | 02:45 |
| de-facto | but i am curious how it will be in their phase 3 paper | 02:45 |
| LjL | %paper ensemble | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 143 papers: Ensemble Bootstrap Methodology for Forecasting Dynamic Growth Processes Using Differential Equations: Application to Epidemic Outbreaks by Gerardo Chowell et al, made available as preprint on 2020-11-27 at https://doi.org/10.21203/rs.3.rs-117201/v1 [... want %more?] | 02:46 |
| LjL | de-facto, oh, i'm looking at the ENSEMBLE protocol description, and i was looking for ages and didn't find them yet, but i found fortuitously that they've been testing on children! | 02:47 |
| de-facto | %paper Ad26.COV2-S | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: An error occurred while searching. | 02:47 |
| de-facto | %paper Ad26.COV2.S | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 6 papers: Immunogenicity of one- and two-dose regimens of the Ad26.COV2.S COVID-19 vaccine candidate in adult and aged rhesus macaques by Laura Solforosi et al, made available as preprint on 2020-11-17 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.11.17.368258 [... want %more?] | 02:47 |
| LjL | https://www.jnj.com/coronavirus/ensemble-1-study-protocol page 48 | 02:47 |
| de-facto | %more | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, [...] combating future health emergencies. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://paste.ee/p/SdAJ3 | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, [...] Low-Dose Ad26.COV2.S Protection Against SARS-CoV-2 Challenge in Rhesus Macaques by Xuan He et al, made available as preprint on 2021-01-27 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.01.27.428380 [...] → https://paste.ee/p/kv83M | 02:47 |
| LjL | Safety and immunogenicity of the Ad26.COV2.S COVID-19 vaccine candidate: interim results of a phase 1/2a, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial by Jerry Sadoff et al, made available as preprint on 2020-09-25 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.09.23.20199604 | 02:48 |
| LjL | this must be the one we looked at before | 02:48 |
| LjL | de-facto, oh wait nevermind about children, they are discussing the adverse reactions in children in Ad26-based vaccines in general, not their own | 02:49 |
| LjL | bah, the protocol is too long and i'm starting to see double | 02:50 |
| LjL | hopefully the phase 3 paper won't make us wait too long | 02:50 |
| de-facto | yeah i dont think they have the cohort description in there | 02:51 |
| de-facto | because its the criteria not the result of them | 02:51 |
| LjL | although i guess if one can read it and understand it fully, the trial protocol can give almost more precious information than the final paper | 02:51 |
| LjL | de-facto, well, yeah, but i thought maybe they had already in mind how many people to recruit from various age ranges | 02:51 |
| LjL | but this is basically like reading a whole book | 02:52 |
| LjL | 160 pages for the ENSEMBLE2 protocol | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Tossing vaccine priority list, Biden tells states to open eligibility by May 1 → https://is.gd/VFaEFh | 02:53 |
| de-facto | some pdfs in the EMA data for BNT162B2 had more than 2k pages | 02:54 |
| de-facto | its quite crazy | 02:54 |
| LjL | i wonder if anyone read them or they are basically write-only :P | 02:54 |
| de-facto | yeah i guess we would have to wait for the phase III paper for Ad26.COV2.S to get published | 02:55 |
| de-facto | i bet they are working on it day and night? | 02:55 |
| de-facto | haha yeah pdf-wo the new /dev/zero :P | 02:56 |
| de-facto | no it really looked like a LOT of work went into those | 02:56 |
| LjL | i'm not sure they're working on it day and night, since apparently they don't need it to get their vaccine approved by FDA, EMA, etc :P | 02:57 |
| LjL | they may take their time to finish it up and publish it all fancy | 02:57 |
| de-facto | would help them with their PR so yeah maybe that makes sense for them | 02:58 |
| LjL | well, i've added the main big things for today to the page i guess, maybe i should wind down now, i can't focus on these things for so many hours every day, the past few days i was going a bit bonkers | 02:58 |
| LjL | maybe i can pretend my carrageenan spray is a vaccine and calm down that way :P | 02:59 |
| de-facto | did you try it already? | 02:59 |
| de-facto | what does it smell like? | 02:59 |
| LjL | no i've only ordered it, online | 02:59 |
| de-facto | ah i see | 02:59 |
| LjL | too bad on Monday i have to see the dentist, and the spray will probably not be here yet | 02:59 |
| LjL | it seems like an ideal thing to use for "dentist-type exposure" | 02:59 |
| de-facto | spray a grappa :) | 03:00 |
| LjL | limoncello for me :P | 03:00 |
| LjL | on Monday i'll just get cleaning and they'll look at whether my jaw bone has healed, then i'll have to get an implant | 03:01 |
| LjL | i wonder if an implant feels anything like a real tooth | 03:01 |
| LjL | anyway it's not ideal i have to do this while the numbers are spiking up... but if i wait, i know that at some point your jaw bone atrophies and you can't do it any longer | 03:01 |
| de-facto | yeah just go for it, if you need to go to a doctor you need to go to a doctor | 03:02 |
| LjL | also, by the way, starting on monday all of Italy is at least "orange", and Lombardy and several other regions will be "red". so not quite full lockdown, as they had been discussing, but definitely more than now | 03:02 |
| LjL | i think in "red" now, all schools are closed, thank god | 03:02 |
| LjL | actually thank Draghi, he's not god but at least he exists | 03:03 |
| LjL | except Sardinia which will be the only "white" region, i.e. no particular restrictions | 03:04 |
| LjL | but i wish they had restrictions... i mean, if they have very few cases, then lockdown and trace those cases and bring it to ZERO! | 03:04 |
| LjL | but instead just like in Germany the idea is, when cases go down, open things up again | 03:04 |
| LjL | i don't think we'll ever convince European governments of a "zero covid" strategy | 03:04 |
| de-facto | LjL, this is my local city there, the minimum of the V shape is just 5 days after they stopped the nightly curfew, now they opened schools and some businesses https://imgur.com/a/2xdw2Wb https://i.imgur.com/T5Fq9tn.jpg | 03:04 |
| LjL | a very sharp V shape | 03:05 |
| LjL | we had a longer "U" period | 03:05 |
| de-facto | weekly incidence per 100k 2021-02-14: 19.8 (super!), but 2021-03-11: 53.9 (fuck what happened?!), only 25 days to raise incidence about 53.9−19.8 = 34.1 hence 1.364 per day, meaning over 100 in 34 days only (with lineare extrapolation, not exponential) | 03:07 |
| de-facto | for some reason it looks more linear than exponential, might be subject to change | 03:07 |
| de-facto | the upper curve is weekly incidence per 100k and the lower curve daily new infections | 03:08 |
| de-facto | just went over 50/100k weekly incidence again :( | 03:08 |
| LjL | i've not become very acquainted with the numbers as incidence/100k for some reason | 03:09 |
| LjL | i'm looking at Il Sole 24 Ore's graph of calls to 118 in Lombardy... it's definitely going sharply up again. i think that's an interesting metric that is not often available | 03:10 |
| LjL | (i wouldn't know where to find it for Italy as a whole, either, they only have it for Lombardy there) | 03:10 |
| de-facto | its the most discussed metric in Germany for all measures (together with the R4 and R7) | 03:11 |
| LjL | oh | 03:11 |
| LjL | well maybe we're stupid | 03:11 |
| de-facto | weekly new infections per 100k citizens, for example now we went over 50 meaning some containment regulations changed | 03:11 |
| LjL | oh, sorry i thought you meant calls to 118/112 | 03:12 |
| LjL | earlier i was half-listening to TV interviewing Meloni (the leader of the most far-right party we have) who i must admit had some points that just about everyone can agree with... and she was talking about our "21 parameters" that are used to determine the "colors" of regions (restrictive measures), and she said she asked the government repeatedly to make those parameters public, but they aren't | 03:12 |
| LjL | but i remember when those 21 parameters were *created*, Conte originally said very clearly that it would all be "open data" | 03:13 |
| de-facto | we already were at 20, if we just had continued that trend for 1-2 more weeks we almost would have reached zero, but now its out of control again because they opened too early | 03:13 |
| LjL | what i could find on a cursory search were some not-so-easy-to-interpret screenshots of Powerpoint slides :\ | 03:13 |
| de-facto | i bet businesses will like if we need to go into lockdown again soon :(( | 03:13 |
| LjL | well they were also showing on the same TV programme how a renowned restaurant in Venice that had been operating for 120 years had to close | 03:14 |
| LjL | i think when/if this all "ends" somehow, we'll be in cities that are going to look a lot emptier and sadder | 03:14 |
| LjL | but hey Amazon will make even more money (and i can't complain, i use them a lot, so it's "my fault" too... but maybe if companies like that were heavily taxed and the money given as relief to the 120-year-old restaurants, things would be different) | 03:15 |
| de-facto | well idk people will change, new businesses will open, but i agree international companies should be forced to pay their taxes | 03:17 |
| de-facto | yet they simply will "make no win" hence dont pay tax | 03:17 |
| de-facto | small businesses cant easily reinvest or hide their profit elsewhere | 03:17 |
| LjL | in addition in italy they also have to pay "hidden" taxes aka pizzo to the mafia | 03:18 |
| de-facto | indeed | 03:18 |
| de-facto | and mafia probably just had a big loss with all the cocaine seized | 03:20 |
| de-facto | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56177177 | 03:22 |
| de-facto | 23 tonnes LOL omg. | 03:22 |
| LjL | i don't know about cocaine but it looks like the whole world is legalizing marijuana (lately Mexico and Marocco did it), whereas Italy is one of the few places that have been removing even the small prior legalization laws they had made | 03:24 |
| de-facto | i think they should do it, police got more important things to do | 03:24 |
| LjL | and also it's probably less harmful than things that are allowed like smoke and alcohol | 03:25 |
| de-facto | and heh everyone does it anyways | 03:25 |
| LjL | any clue what's the public perception like with those two MPs in Germany who were accused of making a profit on brokering face masks? | 03:25 |
| LjL | i'm always scared that the day Germany ditches the current government and something like AFD wins, it's the day all of Europe goes finally down | 03:26 |
| de-facto | oh i did not really read into that | 03:26 |
| LjL | well it's not good publicity, although i didn't read the details either. on reddit many people were like "oh he resigned, so this way he gets away with it, like always in germany, they just resign". don't know if accurate. | 03:26 |
| de-facto | yes AfD are horribly stupid nationalists, it would be the end. | 03:26 |
| de-facto | yeah tbh i dont care too much, i care more about what they do in order to make things available to people that help them fighting covid | 03:27 |
| de-facto | i mean those two MPs | 03:28 |
| LjL | well if they get money from masks, that's money that people have to pay when they buy the masks | 03:28 |
| LjL | so it's not helping make masks available for sure | 03:28 |
| de-facto | if the made mistakes, sure take their heads, but i care more about what we can do in the future to improve, e.g. ramp up vaccine production and such things | 03:29 |
| de-facto | the vast majority of MPs are idiots imho, hence i am not surprised at all if they did some bs there | 03:30 |
| LjL | de-facto, but as i always say how people feel about things is also important. public perception, public trust (like in vaccines with AZ), etc... what we say here isn't heard by all of Germany or all of Italy. what happens in parliament or with those MPs or with AZ being halted is. | 03:32 |
| de-facto | but if some would do things that help us advance with the necessary accomplishments, the improvements we need, the leadership it takes for success, they would be very popular as being part of success (seen from the future) unfortunately too many dont get that it seems, they are only discussing and not really doing helpful things imho | 03:32 |
| LjL | you always say things like "people should" and "people shouldn't" but the reality is that people react in a manner consistent with the types of messages they get | 03:32 |
| LjL | (and i think governments should hire much better sociologists to estimate that, because so far they've done a very bad job) | 03:32 |
| de-facto | yeah you are right, its my wishful thinking and partly also frustration with what goes wrong in plain sight without something done against it | 03:33 |
| de-facto | i even think many would wish for a more strict course in containment | 03:33 |
| LjL | if they were made to clearly understand that it means getting out of it sooner and better, yes | 03:34 |
| LjL | but you really need the right words at the right time for that | 03:34 |
| de-facto | i think many people might even be smart enough to understand that themselves after one year of failed tolerant strategy | 03:35 |
| LjL | this is why i've been so mad about some "past" things. you say, let's look at the future. but i say, if in the future we keep sending such bad messages, the past will keep repeating. (classic obvious example: WHO communication about face masks in the first months) | 03:35 |
| de-facto | yeah of course | 03:35 |
| LjL | de-facto, well you say that but what i see is a lot of people who are like, "lockdowns haven't worked so far, so let's stop doing them" | 03:35 |
| LjL | they don't see that the reason they haven't worked was because they were hardly lockdowns | 03:36 |
| de-facto | they will see now with incidence going up with openings | 03:36 |
| de-facto | lets speak about it again in one month | 03:36 |
| LjL | they saw it after summer in Italy and many other countries... | 03:36 |
| LjL | and yet, here we are again | 03:36 |
| de-facto | indeed | 03:36 |
| LjL | even talking about vaccine passports again for next summer | 03:37 |
| LjL | Italy is one of the countries that insists on that with the EU, and i'm not proud of that | 03:37 |
| LjL | (well really i'm not proud or not-proud of anything, i just live here) | 03:37 |
| de-facto | to be clear, i am not for endless lockdowns, but i am for absolut strict containment with the smartest concepts available. a lockdown is the admittance of failure to do better imho. | 03:37 |
| LjL | i am for short lockdowns with aggressive contact tracing and quarantines | 03:38 |
| LjL | because it seemed to work for New Zealand, Australia, and others | 03:38 |
| de-facto | yes | 03:38 |
| LjL | but as you often said it needs to be coordinated across the EU, or else we must close all borders | 03:38 |
| LjL | i'd rather not see military border closures. there have been decades of work to make that stop ever being a thing again. | 03:39 |
| de-facto | and not opening again but replacing generic containment with targeted containment based on better understanding of transmission paths, its the only way we can improve our capabilities | 03:39 |
| de-facto | yes of course it needs to be coordinated in all free travel zones, and outside borders have to be closed completely. | 03:39 |
| de-facto | ways have to be found to still deliver logistics for shipments etc, but not for human traveling | 03:40 |
| de-facto | e.g. agreeing a coordinated and synchronized smart containment strategy in EU with outside borders closed strictly (e.g. with hard enforced quarantine like NZ et al) | 03:42 |
| LjL | if i say that we'll end up arguing again, but i'd want to make *some* exceptions like for people who seek specialized medical treatment not available in their country. this is a real thing, and it can make a life or death difference to the people involved. and they can't afford a month of quarantine, so just swab them, and otherwise take it as an acceptable risk. death is death even if it's not from COVID-19 | 03:42 |
| de-facto | i guess we have enough specialized medical treatment competence inside EU already | 03:43 |
| LjL | hence some people may want to come from outside the EU to get it | 03:43 |
| de-facto | and with a coordinated synchronized strategy we still could leave Schengen open | 03:43 |
| de-facto | in my opinion there should not be any exceptions because that would be opening Pandora's box (one is allowed another claims to be of equal importance and desires to be on the same exception list) | 03:45 |
| de-facto | but yeah it wont happen anyways, its just one possible solution i think would be the most efficient (and best for the people), but obviously the ones in power dont agree since we dont have anything like that since now over a year | 03:47 |
| de-facto | rather they race for openings to be the first ... with rising incidence again. | 03:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Biden: U.S. May Celebrate COVID ‘Independence’ by July 4: Biden, in his first primetime address as president, said every U.S. adult should be eligible for a vaccine beginning May 1 and that it’s possible family and friends may be able to safely gather together in small groups by July 4. → https://is.gd/H5KSTz | 03:55 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Biden will direct states to make all adults eligible for vaccine by May 1 (10692 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/covid-vaccine-biden-will-direct-states-to-make-all-adults-eligible-by-may-1.html | https://redd.it/m33ueo | 04:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Novavax vaccine 96% effective against original coronavirus, 86% vs British variant in UK trial → https://is.gd/aE025o | 04:06 |
| LjL | oh i thought there was basically no difference with the British variant | 04:10 |
| LjL | 86% vs 96% is not as dramatic as the South African 55%, but it's still quite a difference | 04:10 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Add AstraZeneca "issues" news ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/23e730eef48cc949f5549d39f38db0c9a036265e ) | 04:13 | |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add AstraZeneca "issues" news: I think it's big enough to go into the news section (not adding it to the AZ section itself, it's just a DW article). Picked DW because it lists the countries that are halting use exhaustively, although I'd like a better source that specifies, for example, that a person died in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AiZgnK | 04:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: Androgen Receptors for COVID-19: There’s a report of an interesting small-molecule drug effort against the coronavirus that seems to have produced rather significant results. The idea goes back to effects that were noticed last year – for example, in this population-based study from Italy. It’s been known since the early [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mKOMd5 | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Joe Biden signs $1.9 trillion stimulus bill, eyes next stage of pandemic fight → https://is.gd/zBCAmX | 04:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: No export prohibitions on COVID-19 vaccines, says White House → https://is.gd/8JQjYr | 04:58 |
| LjL | https://indianexpress.com/article/world/no-export-prohibitions-on-covid-19-vaccines-says-white-house-7224791/ | 05:00 |
| LjL | interesting, they just go ahead and say "We don’t purchase AstraZeneca supplies. So there’s no export prohibitions and all vaccine manufacturers in the United States are free to export their products while also fulfilling the terms of their contracts with the US government" | 05:00 |
| LjL | doesn't sound like they're in a rush to use AZ | 05:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cameroon: +2912 cases (now 40622) since 5 hours ago — France: +21414 cases (now 4.0 million) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +4004 cases (now 1.1 million), +33 deaths (now 16038) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +3398 cases (now 4.2 million), +90 deaths (now 125195) since 22 hours ago | 05:47 |
| whytek | LjL, thanks for getting back about offloop. | 06:40 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Spike vs nucleocapsid SARS-CoV-2 antigen detection: application in nasopharyngeal swab specimens by Moria Barlev-Gross et al, made available as preprint on 2021-03-11 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.03.08.21253148 [... want %more?] | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Coronavirus making you sleepless? Some tips to battle ‘coronasomnia’ → https://is.gd/bJOA1B | 07:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 12, 2021: The World Health Organization maintains up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. You can find answers to frequently asked questions about Covid-19 and vaccines in our FAQ . → https://is.gd/BrA85a | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: No Chinese vaccines to be taken by Team Japan, minister says → https://is.gd/DH5JTo | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Biobio, Chile: +822 cases (now 79742), +27 deaths (now 1364) since a day ago — Valparaiso, Chile: +526 cases (now 54166), +15 deaths (now 1682) since a day ago — France: +28438 cases (now 4.0 million), +271 deaths (now 89841) since 20 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +5849 cases (now 650633), +81 deaths (now 29004) since a day ago | 10:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Canada says AstraZeneca vaccine is safe after Norway and Denmark suspend use → https://is.gd/ajkEIF | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hungary: +9011 cases (now 498183), +130 deaths (now 16627) since 20 hours ago | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Thailand delays AstraZeneca vaccine roll-out: Thailand abruptly delayed its roll-out of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine on Friday, stopping Premier Prayut Chan-O-Cha from getting the first jab as several European nations suspended their programmes over blood clot fears. → https://is.gd/tChklZ | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Biden offers Covid-weary US hope for summer, but says 'fight' not over: President Joe Biden on Thursday offered his COVID-weary nation a tantalizing glimpse of an almost normal July 4th, outlining in a speech how the United States can defeat the coronavirus if people stay united on prevention measures and get vaccinated. → https://is.gd/fL4j9d | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 'I've aged 30 years': long COVID patients battle acute symptoms: Difficulty breathing, concentrating and even walking: five months after being diagnosed with COVID-19, Violaine Cousineau continues to suffer severe symptoms that prevent her from resuming normal life. → https://is.gd/bQYa07 | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Little Difference In Vaccine Hesitancy Among White And Black Americans, Poll Finds: An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll shows 1 in 4 Black people do not plan to get vaccinated, even with whites despite lots of attention on hesitancy among Blacks. Republican men appear the most reluctant. → https://is.gd/D2WduV | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Reports on the first Ebola virus genome sequences from the ongoing outbreak in Guinea, 2021: The three reports posted here use virus genomic sequencing to determine the nature of the Ebola virus outbreak in Guinea in early 2021. The findings, arrived at independently by multiple partners and collaborators concur [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KopNJP | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US: Biden calls for vaccine eligibility for all adults by May 1 → https://is.gd/HMRU9z | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: Some COVID-19 survivors face another foe: PTSD: The rate of post-traumatic stress disorder among survivors of severe COVID-19 is comparable to the rate among survivors of some natural disasters. → https://is.gd/0gP3pn | 12:03 |
| de-facto | 86% vs 96% sounds like little but keep in mind VaccineEfficacy = [ AttackRate(Naive) - AttackRate(Vaccinated) ] / AttackRate(Naive) = 1 - AttackRate(Vaccinated) / AttackRate(Naive) = 1 - RelativeRisk hence RelativeRiks = 1 - VaccineEfficacy | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Pregnancy and COVID: what the data say → https://is.gd/Q2RZQC | 12:45 |
| de-facto | hence comparison would be between 100% - 86% = 14% and 100% - 96% = 4% hence 14% / 4% =3.5-fold | 12:46 |
| de-facto | LjL ^^ | 12:46 |
| de-facto | so with Novavax there were 3.5-fold as many cases in vaccinated cohort for B.1.1.7 than with D614G, meaning for every 2 cases of D614G there were 7 cases with B.1.1.7 in the vaccinated | 12:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +6384 cases (now 2.5 million) since 20 hours ago | 12:51 |
| de-facto | i am not sure, but how is T-cell immunization for protein based vaccines in comparison with mRNA or vector based vaccines? | 12:52 |
| de-facto | would protein based vaccines even make cells produce the s-protein at all? i dont think so, hence why would t-cells learn how to attack such cells (potentially producing the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen)? | 12:53 |
| de-facto | only because they would learn to get annoyed in general by the presence of the s-protein (e.g. from Novavax vaccine itself, presenting it on a saponin based matrix adjuvant)? | 12:54 |
| de-facto | i dont know all that, but it would be interesting to see a direct comparison between vaccines having cells producing the s-protein and vaccines presenting the s-protein itself in regard to cellular immunity | 12:56 |
| de-facto | for example natural killer cells etc | 12:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: NHS will keep offering vaccinations to those who refuse, says minister: The NHS will continue to contact and hold one-to-one meetings with doctors and other staff who haven’t taken up the offer of a covid-19 vaccine to tackle any hesitancy, the vaccines minister said... → https://is.gd/kiaxfM | 12:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians Receive 40,000 COVID-19 Vaccines From UAE → https://is.gd/OmsQd7 | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Preventing the next pandemic: the power of a global viral surveillance network: The covid-19 pandemic has exposed failures to respond effectively to the emergence of a highly contagious and lethal microbial threat. Covid-19, however, is not the first pandemic this century due to... → https://is.gd/bBdaH2 | 13:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Russia’s Life Expectancy Plummets in Pandemic-Hit 2020 | 12MAR21 → https://is.gd/PyjgSF | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Features: The moments we realized the pandemic would change everything → https://is.gd/tKvFTe | 13:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Fast track research approval “here to stay,” says regulator: The regulator of UK research says it wants to sustain “in peacetime” the fast track methods it developed for reviewing research during the covid-19 pandemic.At the height of the pandemic, the Health... → https://is.gd/IcxfXj | 13:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: N.J.’s rural towns hope CDC’s potential deal with Dollar General will get them COVID vaccines → https://is.gd/sDY5Pz | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Only Your Boss Can Cure Your Burnout: I n the early 1970s, a psychoanalyst named Herbert J. Freudenberger opened a free clinic to treat poor patients in New York City. It was a bit of a passion project: Freudenberger would work 10 to 12 hours during the day in his private practice, then head over to the free clinic to work until [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FJdEYF | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Sewage-testing robots process wastewater faster to predict COVID-19 outbreaks sooner: By using a sewage-handling robot, our laboratory has been able to detect coronavirus in wastewater 30 times faster than nonautomated large-scale systems. This advance, published in the microbiology journal mSystems, provides even more lead [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Am2S7x | 14:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: In-Depth: Doctors discuss long-term effects of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/qQ4sJL | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Severe Allergy Added To AstraZeneca Covid Shot Side Effects: EU Regulator → https://is.gd/GUVLYe | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA Management Board – highlights of March 2021 meeting, MB, 12/03/2021: Update on COVID-19The Management Board heard an update from EMA on the ongoing assessment activities for COVID-19 vaccines and treatments. The Board was... → https://is.gd/NvfzXk | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: U.S. sits on millions of AstraZeneca vaccine doses; WTO again fails to act on Covid-19 proposal → https://is.gd/E7gBNG | 15:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: One year into pandemic, Biden promises vaccines for all U.S. adults by May 1: During a speech reassuring Americans that the pandemic could be nearing its end in this country, President Joe Biden on Thursday promised that all U.S. adults will be eligible for a coronavirus vaccine by May 1. → https://is.gd/qu4QWg | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Most employees want mandatory COVID-19 vaccination at work: Seven in 10 U.S. employees who started working at home during the pandemic say their companies should introduce mandatory COVID-19 vaccination before workers are called back to the office, according to the results of a new survey. → https://is.gd/R1KIva | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Cyprus pulls back on wider easing of COVID-19 restrictions: Cyprus on Friday put the brakes on a wider loosening of COVID-19 restrictions by keeping middle school students at home for two more weeks as the infection rate remains high, largely due to the spread of the U.K. variant. → https://is.gd/WspG4q | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for St. Barthelemy: +74 cases (now 712) since 8 days ago — Germany: +8051 cases (now 2.5 million), +58 deaths (now 73334) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +1333 cases (now 570645), +10 deaths (now 10100) since 19 hours ago | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Germany, others stick with AstraZeneca vaccine as some pause: Officials in several European countries pushed back Friday against decisions by others to pause use of AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine following sporadic reports of blood clots, despite a lack of evidence the shot was responsible. → https://is.gd/gBitxD | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Germany, others stick with AstraZeneca vaccine as some pause → https://is.gd/tv6k7g | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Friday 12 March 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/BQ1LsD | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +4033 cases (now 1.1 million) since 20 hours ago | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: Androgen receptor antagonists as a coronavirus therapy - a new trial has produced some interesting results:https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/03/11/androgen-receptors-for-covid-19 → https://is.gd/cDthho | 17:32 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) protects against SARS-CoV-2 B.1.351 and B.1.1.7 (82 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.11.435000v1 | https://redd.it/m3hgfo | 17:35 |
| LjL | de-facto: i am not sure, but how is T-cell immunization for protein based vaccines in comparison with mRNA or vector based vaccines? <- doesn't really answer it but apparently, according to the above, T-cell immunity is good even though antibody titers go down 10-fold (which sounds awfully similar to the latest findings for mRNA)... except, in hamsters | 17:41 |
| LjL | Someone on Reddit told me that AZ was expected to produce robust cellular immunity. Then I asked, wait since all these vaccines ulinatelt present a spike protein to the body, why would the *type* of immunity be different? But the answer was pretty vague, like "different vaccines behave differently", thanks | 17:42 |
| LjL | Ultimately* | 17:43 |
| de-facto | i cant claim to know that | 17:46 |
| de-facto | but in my imagination the immune system getting provoked by a cell producing something suspicious (presenting the s-glycoprotein on its surface, together with all the other things that take place when it does such things) may be different (indication of some foreign "evil" RNA present) to just the presence of an antigen (e.g. s-glycoprotein on the surface of saponin matrix adjuvant) | 17:48 |
| de-facto | maybe there is not diffierence, i dont know that, but i would assume there is a difference of some kind (since the scenarios would be different under which such situations provoke the immune response) | 17:49 |
| de-facto | cells getting hijacked being indication of a pathogen replicating or antigen being present in the blood or tissue by contamination from some invasive event (e.g. wound or such?) | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: CDC's 'Huge Mistake': Did Misguided Mask Advice Drive Up COVID Death Toll for Health Workers?: Until a month ago, the agency advised that a surgical mask was sufficient unless workers were performing “aerosol-generating procedures” -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/yOtK68 | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Slovakian health minister resigns amid Russia vaccine dispute: His resignation comes as Slovakia faces a catastrophic situation with the pandemic, with the highest per capita death rate in Europe. → https://is.gd/nEBmfx | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: R to @firefoxx66: First, the S:Q677 USA variants S:677H (Robin1) and S:677P (Pelican) are added to the lists of variants & Per Country plots.These variants arose at the end of 2020 & are found across the US, but prominently in the north-central & south-central USA (respectively).2/4 → https://is.gd/klI1Fu | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +4460 cases (now 4.2 million), +119 deaths (now 125305) since 21 hours ago — Italy: +380 deaths (now 101564) since a day ago | 18:59 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Americans support restricting unvaccinated people from offices, travel: Reuters poll (10355 votes) | https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccines-poll-idUSKBN2B41J0 | https://redd.it/m3hrog | 19:24 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Comunicato stampa del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 7 ( http://www.governo.it/it/articolo/comunicato-stampa-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-7/16394 ) | 19:43 | |
| zbyszeks63[m] | I'm new. How does it work? Is it a form of chat? or irc? | 20:06 |
| genera | irc. | 20:07 |
| genera | with a few newsbots. | 20:07 |
| genera | irc bridged with matrix. i forgot to mention . | 20:07 |
| zbyszeks63[m] | genera: thx... | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: CDC’s ‘huge mistake’: did misguided mask advice drive up Covid death toll for health workers? | Researchers say ‘very low’-quality research led to outdated guidelines on who got the best PPE, leaving those most at risk exposed → https://is.gd/WKQnYP | 20:18 |
| LjL | anyone know if the two "potentially problematic" AstraZeneca batches (Denmark+Austria and Italy) came from the same production facility, or how to find out? | 20:21 |
| zbyszeks63[m] | don't know | 20:22 |
| eventcheck[m] | Where are the facilities? | 20:26 |
| eventcheck[m] | One is in Belgium | 20:27 |
| LjL | aside from the ones in the UK, i believe there are 4 main facilities in the EU, but i don't remember where they all are | 20:29 |
| genera | not India? | 20:29 |
| LjL | no, i don't think so, i believe the batches used by the EU all come from the EU (some should come from the UK, contractually, but they don't) | 20:30 |
| LjL | AZ is also produced in the US but the US isn't buying it, so it's quite possible (i've read that Biden has made comments in that direction) the EU will start importing from there, but for now, i don't think it's happening | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: WHO 'deeply concerned' by Brazil COVID surge: The World Health Organization voiced deep concern Friday about Brazil's COVID-19 situation, urging "serious measures" to rein in surging numbers of cases and deaths, and relieve its overburdened health system. → https://is.gd/0l9HAV | 20:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: India to make billion-plus vaccine doses with US, Japan, Australia: India will manufacture at least one billion more COVID-19 vaccine doses by the end of next year in a joint initiative announced Friday with the United States, Japan and Australia. → https://is.gd/kkLrcJ | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Coronavirus News Roundup, March 6 – March 12: Pandemic highlights for the week -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/HKDkTW | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Italy to impose new lockdown for most regions as Covid ‘third wave’ takes hold → https://is.gd/tDdA1N | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +26790 cases (now 3.2 million) since 2 hours ago — Germany: +8076 cases (now 2.5 million), +111 deaths (now 73387) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +5657 cases (now 4.3 million), +168 deaths (now 125363) since 16 hours ago — Canada: +3012 cases (now 902918), +33 deaths (now 22384) since 21 hours ago | 21:47 |
| LjL | argh | 21:47 |
| LjL | i hadn't looked at the numbers today yet :\ | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: LEGGE 12 marzo 2021, n.29: Conversione in legge, con modificazioni, del decreto-legge 14 gennaio2021, n. 2, recante ulteriori disposizioni urgenti in materia dicontenimento e prevenzione dell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19e di svolgimento delle elezioni per l'anno 2021. (21G00038) → https://is.gd/nZsGHP | 21:53 |
| de-facto | ramping up :( | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Preliminary in silico assessment of the specificity of published molecular assays and design of new assays using the available whole genome sequences of 2019-nCoV: Updated to 752,038 COVID-19 WGS from GISAID. Table 1. Results from PSET analysis. The five Noblis assays were compared alongside the four assays from [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BOa267 | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: US and Pacific partners to flood Asia with vaccines: The Quad alliance hopes to counter China’s vaccine diplomacy with 1 billion shots across the continent. → https://is.gd/dz7pzZ | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +4049 cases (now 1.1 million) since 23 hours ago | 23:20 |
| Arsanerit | more kids in Germany are getting infected than ever before | 23:24 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: At 2021-03-11 23:06:30 UTC, LjL told you: if I knew all the reasons why governments act certain ways wrt the vaccines then presumably the contracts would not all be either secret or full of censored out parts... Anyway, definitely geopolitical reasons are part of it, the EU also didn't order Sputnik or the Chinese vaccines | 23:24 |
| Arsanerit | and afaik none of the vaccines are approved for kids :-/ | 23:24 |
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