de-facto | Explanation: the red curve approximates the B.1.1.7 measurements (red crosses), the yellow curve approximates the other variants measurements (yellow crosses) and the blue curve is the sum of both (hence all detected infecitons) | 00:05 |
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de-facto | the scary part: the red crosses for B.1.1.7 lay on a PERFECT exponential, hence the extrapolation into future probably is quite accurate | 00:05 |
LjL | i understood it without explanation :P | 00:05 |
de-facto | i am sure every Minister (of federal states) was shown this but they decided to oppose Merkel with blocking anything that could possibly be effective to prevent this | 00:07 |
de-facto | .tr <de Analyse der 7-Tages Inzidenz als Summe der 7-Tages Inzidenz der Variante B.1.1.7 und aller übrigen Varianten (Datenstand 19.03.2021, n= 14.912). Es zeigt sich ein exponentiell ansteigender Trend der 7-Tages Inzidenz der Variante B.1.1.7 seit Kalenderwoche 2. Diese steigt in jeder Woche um etwa 46% an und hat sich also etwa alle 12-13 Tage verdoppelt. | 00:11 |
Brainstorm | de-facto, German to English: Analysis of the 7-day incidence as the sum of the 7-day incidence of variant B.1.1.7 and all other variants (data as of 19.03.2021, n= 14.912). There is an exponentially increasing trend of the 7-day incidence of variant B.1.1.7 since calendar week 2. This increases by about 46% each week and has doubled approximately every 12-13 days. (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 00:11 |
de-facto | so my approximation with 144% was about 2% off | 00:12 |
de-facto | given a serial interval of ts = 4d this would mean Rb117 ~ 1.46^(ts/t) = 1.46^(4/7) ~ 1.24 | 00:15 |
de-facto | for the other variants it would be Rd614g ~ (1-0.19)^(ts/t) = 0.81^(4/7) ~ 0.88 | 00:17 |
de-facto | the associated doubling times are tdouble_b117 = 4d ln(2) / ln(Rb117) = 4d ln(2) / ln(1.24) = 12.89d ~ 13d | 00:19 |
de-facto | and tdouble_d614g = 4d ln(1/2) / ln(Rd614g) = 4d ln(0.5) / ln(0.88) = 21.69 ~ 22 days | 00:20 |
de-facto | meaning: the daily infections with B.1.1.7 double each two weeks while the infections with D614G half each 3 weeks | 00:21 |
de-facto | so Rb117 / Rd614g = 1.24 / 0.88 = 1.41 | 00:23 |
de-facto | correction: my fit was 144% the RKI numbers suggest 141% so 3% off | 00:24 |
de-facto | basically we URGENTLY need to enforce at least 41% less contacts, no matter what it costs. | 00:33 |
de-facto | my prognosis: soon we will need curfews because right now government does not do its job and rather ignore the alarming trends | 00:34 |
CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Sudden rise in COVID-19 case fatality among young and middle-aged adults in the south of Brazil after identification of the novel B.1.1.28.1 (P.1) SARS-CoV-2 strain: analysis of data from the state of Parana (84 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.24.21254046v1 | https://redd.it/mdyz44 | 00:48 |
de-facto | wow. | 00:50 |
de-facto | "Individuals between 20 and 29 years of age whose diagnosis was made in February 2021 had an over 3-fold higher risk of death compared to those diagnosed in January 2021 (Risk Ratio (RR): 3.15 [95%CI: 1.52-6.53], p<0.01), while those aged 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 years experienced 93% (1.93 [95%CI:1.31-2.85], p<0.01), 110% (RR: 2.10 [95%CI:1.62-2.72], p<0.01), and 80% (RR: 1.80 [95%CI:1.50-2.16], p<0.01) increases in risk of death, | 00:51 |
de-facto | respectively." | 00:51 |
de-facto | ouch. | 00:51 |
de-facto | good that we are working on importing it from Mallorca | 00:52 |
de-facto | Anyhow probably already circulating in Europe anyhow | 00:56 |
de-facto | In italy 2% according to https://outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=P.1 | 00:57 |
de-facto | hmm LjL do you know if they are sequencing representative (e.g. randomly choosen from positive tests) or if they do targeting (e.g. when travelers from airplane test positive)? | 00:58 |
de-facto | https://covariants.org/variants/S.501Y.V3 | 00:59 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: France accuses UK of 'blackmail' over vaccine exports → https://is.gd/b2yWuY | 01:04 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/wzHsXjJ https://i.imgur.com/UivKeTY.png source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931312821001360 | 01:06 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: SARS-CoV-2 pseudoviruses performance evaluation - Album on Imgur | 01:06 |
de-facto | Figure C is quite interesting | 01:08 |
de-facto | "Pseudoviruses bearing wild-type or the indicated mutant SARS-CoV-2 spike were used to transduce HEK293T-ACE2 cells. Equal viral loads were normalized based on p24 protein levels." | 01:08 |
de-facto | "48hr post transduction, cells were harvested and their luciferase readouts were monitored. Bar graphs show mean values ± SD error bars of three independent experiments." | 01:08 |
de-facto | "Measured statistical significance was calculated between experiments by a two-tailed Student’s t test ***P≤0.001." | 01:08 |
de-facto | pretty much all the pseudoviruses containing N501Y show something like ~10-fold increase in relative infectivity (to wild type) | 01:09 |
de-facto | Would that mean we can assume that all the VoCs containing N501Y might have a similar reproduction rate in a largely immunological naive population (e.g. as long as vaccination does not select the evasive VoCs)? | 01:11 |
de-facto | because then it would mean that those VoCs containing N501Y (e.g. SA and BR VoCs) also would reproduce like B.1.1.7 (UK VoC), hence NPIs probably have somewhat similar impact on them | 01:12 |
de-facto | yet if vaccinations would select the evasive VoCs (e.g. containing E484K) the SA and BR VoCs would have a significant advantage relative to UK VoC | 01:13 |
de-facto | well unless they dont recombine or B.1.1.7 acquires E484K by convergent evolution that is | 01:13 |
de-facto | in any case we would be in trouble, hence tolerating new infections has to stop and we have to aim for ZERO COVID while progressing with vaccinations | 01:14 |
de-facto | Quite understandable that both Israel and UK not only used NPIs to contain their outbreak (hence enforced R<1) but also closed traveling | 01:15 |
de-facto | So they agreed upon that there will be increased containment with a weekly incidence of 100/100k, with the exception of "model regions" evaluating new concepts. well guess how that term is used now... | 01:44 |
de-facto | every region above threshold is tempted to be a "model region" just so that it would not have to close or stick to the agreed emergency break. | 01:45 |
de-facto | this is how disasters are made, mid of April we will reach all time record incidences in Germany | 01:46 |
de-facto | and with no hope of getting them under control, they will be reached with accelerating reproduction | 01:47 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Over-70s could get booster Covid jab from September - vaccines minister → https://is.gd/bZIeus | 01:56 |
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LjL | de-facto, i don't know how they sequence. we have a curfew, have had for a while, doesn't do much i think | 04:22 |
de-facto | we had a curfew here too, when it was lifted incidence began to rise ca. 4-5 days later | 04:28 |
de-facto | now we dont have curfew anymore, people are having a LOT of contacts and the effect is that we have constantly rising numbers: https://imgur.com/a/X80w06s | 04:36 |
de-facto | my opinion is: we should have the most strict lockdown ever imaginable and even go beyond that, it would guarantee the shortest possible time to bring down incidence and then start from low incidence with more smart targeted containment | 04:40 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: More evidence of cognitive dysfunction in 'long haul' non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients → https://is.gd/GacBnn | 04:41 |
de-facto | their opinion is the opposite: we should have the lightest lockdown possible and even weaken that as much as possible, it guarantees that incidence stays high hence we need it indefinitely long time but they want to experiment at the same time with new concepts | 04:42 |
de-facto | for me that sounds like experimenting with a very sick patient despite an effective and cheap treatment is known | 04:42 |
de-facto | if a family member was having a disease and a medical doctor would ask me: we have two options 1) we might get away with a very cheap and experimental treatment with unknown outcome, it may stabilize but not cure or 2) we have a traditional known to be effective treatment that is not the cheapest but it will help fast | 04:45 |
de-facto | which option would i choose? | 04:45 |
de-facto | i am pretty sure i would go for the traditional effective treatment that helps fast and only consider experimental treatment if my family member was stabilized and not in a runaway worsening disease situation | 04:46 |
de-facto | btw LjL was there a change in the strategy of Italy around March 10th? | 04:50 |
de-facto | just asking because it looks like the incidence got a maximum at ~15th https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ | 04:50 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UN-backed programme laments Covid-19 vaccine supply woes, looks to US → https://is.gd/SV49rR | 04:52 |
LjL | de-facto, hmmm i don't really remember :( there were changes, but i don't remember when. but in italy the way it works in general is every region has a color that identifies how "hard" the lockdown is, and the color can change on a weekly basis depending on the epidemic parameters in that region | 05:02 |
de-facto | i am just curious because it seems there is a peak at March 15th hence roughly one 5-10 days before that it must have a cause | 05:04 |
de-facto | so something in first third of March | 05:04 |
LjL | i've lost the sense of time tbh | 05:07 |
LjL | de-facto, what happened is that basically the government overrode the "color codes" and just said that the bad regions will become red, and everything else orange. but i don't remember when it happened | 05:10 |
LjL | anyway when that happened, that was an increase in restrictions, not a loosening | 05:10 |
LjL | loosening happened in february for some regions i guess | 05:10 |
de-facto | yeah and on 24th of Feb incidence began to rise | 05:11 |
de-facto | yeah and on 20th of Feb incidence began to rise | 05:11 |
LjL | yeah i think what you're seeing around march 15 is not the result of a restriction around march 10, but just the peak of whatever february started | 05:12 |
de-facto | every change that increases restrictions in times of incidence that is above a level that can be controlled by more targeted measures is the correct approach | 05:12 |
LjL | probably a lot of it is due to the UK variant | 05:12 |
LjL | but now incidence *seems* to be slowly going down | 05:12 |
LjL | so maybe that's a slightly reassuring sign that the UK variant won't just cause a never-ending exponential | 05:12 |
LjL | maybe | 05:12 |
de-facto | yeah i really hope its a solidifying trend | 05:12 |
de-facto | in decreasing new infections that is of course | 05:13 |
de-facto | it can be done as UK, Ireland, Portugal etc demonstrated | 05:13 |
de-facto | but they really put some effort into achieving that, i am completely missing that in Germany at the moment | 05:14 |
de-facto | thankfully the people in Italy are a bit more capable to learn and fight for regaining control | 05:15 |
LjL | i just see plenty of people in the streets and no police checks at all | 05:15 |
LjL | so i think the virus is mostly doing its own thing | 05:15 |
LjL | regardless of what italy does | 05:15 |
de-facto | well infections happen indoors and when people dont distance | 05:16 |
de-facto | but yeah people walking on streets have destinations that probably are somewhere indoors | 05:16 |
de-facto | LjL, i disagree with assuming the virus does its own thing, imho the virus does its thing with mathematical precision, absolutely predictable and the peoples behavior in terms or risk contacts is what brings in the dynamic changes of incidence | 05:19 |
de-facto | that is on an epidemiological level where individual deviations from the average case are smoothed out | 05:23 |
de-facto | i think it would be important to have some feedback, just so that changes in incidence can be correlated to their cause in the behavior of the majority | 05:28 |
de-facto | in both directions of course | 05:29 |
LjL | de-facto, that's why i found those sites that collected all the changes in restrictions in various countries with an API interesting | 05:32 |
LjL | but i never even saved them anywhere | 05:32 |
LjL | i'd have to research them all over again now | 05:33 |
LjL | i don't know why sometimes i don't do obvious things :( | 05:33 |
de-facto | yeah indeed having a location where one quickly could look up such things would be useful, its one of the first questions many people ask that try to understand cause and effect in terms of new infections | 05:39 |
de-facto | .title https://covid-statistics.jrc.ec.europa.eu/RMeasures | 05:45 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From covid-statistics.jrc.ec.europa.eu: Measures List - Ecml Covid | 05:45 |
de-facto | CSV at https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/download-data-response-measures-covid-19 | 05:49 |
de-facto | .title https://covidtracker.bsg.ox.ac.uk/ | 05:51 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From covidtracker.bsg.ox.ac.uk: OxCGRT | 05:51 |
de-facto | .title https://ourworldindata.org/policy-responses-covid | 05:52 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From ourworldindata.org: Policy Responses to the Coronavirus Pandemic - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data | 05:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: White House considering supporting India, S Africa move at WTO on COVID vaccines: Report → https://is.gd/1zilIF | 05:54 |
de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-021-01079-8 | 05:54 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: A global panel database of pandemic policies (Oxford COVID-19 Government Response Tracker) | Nature Human Behaviour | 05:54 |
de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-82873-2 | 05:58 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Modeling the effect of lockdown timing as a COVID-19 control measure in countries with differing social contacts | Scientific Reports | 05:58 |
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CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: U.S. sets new vaccine record with 3.4 million doses administered in one day (10056 votes) | https://www.axios.com/vaccine-daily-record-0da0a2d5-e494-4413-af4f-9babea418cbc.html | https://redd.it/mdu4u6 | 13:11 |
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Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Spain to require negative PCR at French land border: Anyone crossing the land border from France into Spain will have to present a negative PCR taken in the last 72 hours, the Spanish government's official bulletin said on Saturday. → https://is.gd/P1k7ha | 13:44 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India has supplied more Covid-19 vaccines globally than vaccinated its own people, the country has told the UN and cautioned that vaccine inequity will defeat the global resolve to contain the coronavirus as the disparity in the accessibility of vaccines will affect the poorest nations the most. → https://is.gd/uyn096 | 14:15 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Gaming & Culture: Can you make a comedy set during COVID-19? Recovery takes the idea for a drive → https://is.gd/IlwOFS | 15:08 |
najari[m] | Younger Brazilians Are Dying From [variant] Covid in an Alarming New shift | 15:16 |
najari[m] | https://archive.is/LnjmI | 15:16 |
najari[m] | not unusual now to see people under 40 or even in their 20s without any risk factors needing intubation and life support. | 15:16 |
Arsanerit | Which variant? | 15:22 |
Arsanerit | P.1? | 15:22 |
rpifan | well thats what happened last time | 15:30 |
rpifan | spanish flu | 15:30 |
rpifan | second wave killed young ppl | 15:30 |
rpifan | i had always known we'd have 3 waves | 15:30 |
rpifan | like last time | 15:30 |
rpifan | but im curious to see if we will get to the 4th wave | 15:30 |
Arsanerit | The first wave didn't? | 15:31 |
Arsanerit | Are we in the second or in the third wave? | 15:31 |
Arsanerit | They're calling it the third, but the second one never finished. Wave 2b? | 15:31 |
najari[m] | <rpifan "i had always known we'd have 3 w"> india is still in the 2nd wave it looks like | 15:31 |
najari[m] | <Arsanerit "They're calling it the third, bu"> depends which country | 15:31 |
Arsanerit | US looks more like 6th wave: https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 15:32 |
najari[m] | <rpifan "second wave killed young ppl"> does anyone know why? | 15:32 |
Arsanerit | UK showing signs of 4th wave? https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 15:33 |
najari[m] | <Arsanerit "US looks more like 6th wave: htt"> they have 3 big ones, and 3 mini waves | 15:34 |
rpifan | najari[m], well according to what i've read it was because the virus cause this storm that affected people with good immune systems harder then those with weak ones | 15:34 |
Arsanerit | Netherlands: 4th or 5th? https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 15:34 |
rpifan | cytokinetic or something storm | 15:34 |
najari[m] | <Arsanerit "UK showing signs of 4th wave? h"> looks like the tide might be rising | 15:34 |
rpifan | well germany has been really close to the traditional 3 waves | 15:35 |
rpifan | so im wondering if we will get a 4th one in germany | 15:35 |
najari[m] | rpifan: i mean, why did wave 1 spanish flu not affect young ppl much, but wave 2 did? | 15:35 |
rpifan | ah | 15:35 |
rpifan | i imagine a stronger variant of the flu | 15:35 |
rpifan | virus and bactaria have been evolving forever | 15:35 |
rpifan | we just didnt have the tool to track variants | 15:35 |
najari[m] | i read a long theory on reddit that virus won't evolve to get more deadly unless... it jumps species and comes back | 15:36 |
najari[m] | did the minkorona infect anyone? | 15:37 |
najari[m] | <rpifan "i imagine a stronger variant of "> the redditor specifically said 'covid becoming more deadly is like males growing painful blisters on their pen' | 15:38 |
najari[m] | he continued that increased transmissability is prob accidentally increasing covid's kill rate | 15:38 |
najari[m] | as in males could evolve painful blisters on their pen if they could mentally impregnant women through the power of blisters lol | 15:39 |
CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Nationwide Vaccination Campaign with BNT162b2 in Israel Demonstrates High Vaccine Effectiveness and Marked Declines in Incidence of SARS-CoV-2 Infections and COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths (84 votes) | https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3811387 | https://redd.it/mebghu | 15:48 |
de-facto | I think its justified to call it a separate 3rd wave if its caused by mutated SARS-CoV-2-VoCs like more contagious and deadly B.1.1.7 or even the additionally immuno-evasive B.1.351 and P.1. | 15:54 |
Haley[m] | %cases France | 15:56 |
Brainstorm | Haley[m]: In France, there have been 4.5 million confirmed cases (6.7% of the population) and 94028 deaths (2.1% of cases) as of 17 hours ago. 62.0 million tests were performed (7.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 15:56 |
de-facto | .title https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579 | 15:57 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bmj.com: Risk of mortality in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern 202012/1: matched cohort study | The BMJ | 15:57 |
de-facto | " 54 906 matched pairs of participants who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 in pillar 2 between 1 October 2020 and 29 January 2021, followed-up until 12 February 2021." | 15:57 |
de-facto | "The mortality hazard ratio associated with infection with VOC-202012/1 compared with infection with previously circulating variants was 1.64 (95% confidence interval 1.32 to 2.04) in patients who tested positive for covid-19 in the community." | 15:58 |
de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.24.21254046v1 | 15:59 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Sudden rise in COVID-19 case fatality among young and middle-aged adults in the south of Brazil after identification of the novel B.1.1.28.1 (P.1) SARS-CoV-2 strain: analysis of data from the state of [...] | 15:59 |
de-facto | "In this investigation, we analyzed coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) public health data from Parana, the largest state in southern half of Brazil, between September 1, 2020 and March 17, 2021, to evaluate recent trends in case fatality rates in different age groups. A total of 553,518 cases of SARS-CoV-2, 8,853 currently registered as fatal, were finally included in our analysis." | 16:00 |
de-facto | "Individuals between 20 and 29 years of age whose diagnosis was made in February 2021 had an over 3-fold higher risk of death compared to those diagnosed in January 2021 (Risk Ratio (RR): 3.15 [95%CI: 1.52-6.53], p<0.01), while those aged 30-39, 40-49, 50-59 years experienced 93% (1.93 [95%CI:1.31-2.85], p<0.01), 110% (RR: 2.10 [95%CI:1.62-2.72], p<0.01), and 80% (RR: 1.80 [95%CI:1.50-2.16], p<0.01) increases in risk of death, | 16:01 |
de-facto | respectively." | 16:01 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: A pillow that transforms into a wearable quilt is the latest addition to pandemic fashion → https://is.gd/UIArqc | 16:01 |
de-facto | so it seems the assumption that the virus would not become more deadly with its mutations is not reflected by those observations, on the contrary those SARS-CoV-2 VoCs not only are more contagious, can make immuno-evasion but they also are more lethal, hence cause more fatal outcomes | 16:03 |
de-facto | imho it depends on the time when infection to a new generation happens, if its before symptom onset, why would a later more lethal progression be a disadvantage for such a pathogen preading? | 16:04 |
de-facto | imho it depends on the time when infection to a new generation happens, if its before symptom onset, why would a later more lethal progression be a disadvantage for such a pathogen spreading? | 16:04 |
Arsanerit | How does a variant that emerged in the middle of the rainforest get to Europe if we're all supposed to stay home and refrain from travel, in particular long distance travel :-/ | 16:16 |
de-facto | well lets see, instead of requiring quarantine for travelers returning from Mallorca (where P.1 is said to be circulating) they require the passengers to perform a quicktest prior to entering the airplane. | 16:21 |
rajrajraj | if you had to choose between science and money, what would you choose? | 16:21 |
de-facto | science without hesitation | 16:21 |
de-facto | money is just an illusion of power created by the people that believe in that, scientific knowledge is fundamental understanding of the universe, thats a whole different dimension of power | 16:23 |
jacklsw | choose both? | 16:24 |
de-facto | what survives from money when the financial system collapses? how many such collapses did scientific knowledge already survive as basis for current research? | 16:24 |
de-facto | yeah they are not mutually exclusive indeed | 16:25 |
de-facto | hence patent law etc | 16:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: ‘Pain into beauty’: Argentine sculptor turns pandemic waste into art → https://is.gd/yikt5j | 16:54 |
CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Dramatic drop of new SARS-CoV-2 infections among health care workers after the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.24.21254238v1 | https://redd.it/med8fw | 17:19 |
rpifan | sad | 17:25 |
jacklsw | why sad? | 17:43 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: France’s lockdown vice? Cheese → https://is.gd/MW580e | 18:07 |
Arsanerit | Monty Python summarises it best: „Well I, I think that, er, nobody who has gone abroad should be allowed back in the country. I mean, er, blimey, blimey if they're not keen enough to stay here when they're 'ere, why should we allow them back, er, at the tax-payers' expense?“ | 18:17 |
Arsanerit | IIRC Chile did at one point ban all people from entering, including Chileans. | 18:17 |
rpifan | yea | 18:24 |
rpifan | ppl are still sorta banned | 18:24 |
rpifan | my father died in chile | 18:24 |
rpifan | cant go see him | 18:25 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Saturday 27 March 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/jP12Li | 18:28 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Irish hospital’s vaccination program ended after it gave leftover shots to elite school → https://is.gd/bAGs3Q | 18:38 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: As daily deaths near 4,000, worst may lie ahead for Brazil: Brazil currently accounts for one-quarter of the entire world's daily COVID-19 deaths, far more than any other single nation, and health experts are warning that the nation is on the verge of even greater calamity. → https://is.gd/ZW4mvh | 20:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Cameroon: +7047 cases (now 47669), +120 deaths (now 721) since 15 days ago — France: +13585 cases (now 4.5 million), +101 deaths (now 94129) since 22 hours ago — Cambodia: +179 cases (now 2147) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +8196 cases (now 2.8 million), +68 deaths (now 76084) since 22 hours ago | 20:28 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Luck is essential for any successful coronavirus variant, study shows: Let's say you are a new member of the SARS-CoV-2 family, with a few genetic tweaks that distinguish you from the rest of the clan. Maybe you have changes in your spike protein that allow you to more easily to invade cells, or a random mutation that helps you [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LvzKSc | 20:42 |
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Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO Chief Blasts 'Grotesque' Vaccine Inequality as Rich Nations Block Speedy End of Global Pandemic → https://is.gd/9SQOje | 22:05 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Will Covid vaccinations be required for college students? Young adults drive rise in cases → https://is.gd/X3GCI4 | 23:08 |
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