| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Seminar] Parkinson's disease: Parkinson's disease is a recognisable clinical syndrome with a range of causes and clinical presentations. Parkinson's disease represents a fast-growing neurodegenerative condition; the rising prevalence worldwide resembles the many characteristics typically observed during a pandemic, except [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HdCiGB | 00:34 |
|---|---|---|
| snake | is it safe for my friend for me to visit him and hang out maybe shoot some arrows or taste hot peppers together... i got the vaccine but he hasn't, but he is more at risk because he has heart failure | 02:45 |
| rpifan | snake, you have a bow and arrow? | 02:45 |
| snake | rpifan, yea | 02:45 |
| rpifan | sounds kinda fun | 02:46 |
| rpifan | is it like old school | 02:46 |
| rpifan | or a cross bow type thign | 02:46 |
| snake | i have a long bow, i probably should have got a recurve bow for accuracy, but still looks traditional | 02:47 |
| snake | compound bows are cool but im not in that deep yet, literally shot it twice | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Alcohol: England prepares to get drunk after nearly four months of lockdown → https://is.gd/ad1GcM | 02:48 |
| rpifan | sounds fun | 02:48 |
| snake | yeah but what about my question | 02:48 |
| rpifan | idk ask your doctor? | 02:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: France extends gap between mRNA vaccine shots to ramp-up rollout → https://is.gd/itilBe | 03:28 |
| salamandra | WTF is iLinux OS?! https://ilinuxos.com | 04:04 |
| LjL | your own OS that you're spamming, apparently | 04:10 |
| salamandra | What?! | 04:11 |
| salamandra | WTF?! | 04:11 |
| LjL | καληνύχτα | 04:12 |
| finely[m] | <snake "is it safe for my friend for me "> Depends which vaccine and how long ago you got it. Ask your doctor. If you do meet, wear masks and social distance like before your vaccine. And no William Tell trick shots. | 04:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Blocked by the EU's export ban, Japan got its first AstraZeneca vaccines from the US instead → https://is.gd/cCUxyg | 05:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: J&J COVID-19 vaccine under EU review over blood clots, AstraZeneca probe grows → https://is.gd/l1RUcg | 05:11 |
| moose | How do you feel about the governments of the world telling people not to use N95 or higher protection masks because they allegedly are/were not protective? | 05:54 |
| moose | Millions would have survived if we had released stockpiles of P100 respirators at any point during the crisis. | 05:55 |
| LjL | currently, some governments are *ordering* use of N95 or higher (well, FFP2 or higher) | 05:56 |
| LjL | but i don't feel very good about the WHO previously shunning mask | 05:56 |
| LjL | and/or governments following its bandwagon, just because there was a shortage of masks | 05:56 |
| LjL | the shortage of masks was real, and presumably a problem. lying to people was not a solution to that problem, but created more problems | 05:56 |
| moose | Yeah, I was under the impression the direction was primarily due to fear of healthcare worker mask shortages | 05:56 |
| LjL | which happened anyway | 05:56 |
| moose | It seems reasonable to prevent a panic, but lying was not the right way to do it IMO | 05:56 |
| LjL | someone i know who works in an hospital told me they were broken into and masks stolen | 05:57 |
| LjL | i agree | 05:57 |
| moose | Tons of people now believe that masks do nothing, but somehow their shirt does. | 05:57 |
| LjL | to be fair, there would probably be tons of people not believing that they do anything anyway | 05:57 |
| LjL | (see "San Francisco Anti-Mask League") | 05:57 |
| moose | Maybe so. | 05:57 |
| moose | Lordy. | 05:57 |
| LjL | but still... you're right | 05:57 |
| LjL | and now, the mixed messaging on vaccines is also not helping | 05:58 |
| LjL | although that's admittedly a trickier situation, i think | 05:59 |
| moose | Yeah, vaccines are a bit more "Lets see what works" than respirators. | 05:59 |
| moose | I think the governments are handling vaccines better now at this point at least. | 05:59 |
| LjL | i'm thinking of Europe and the blood-clotting issues with AstraZeneca | 06:00 |
| moose | In my area we had issues with hospitals stockpiling them exclusively for their own employees, even though they mandated that all healthcare workers get them. | 06:00 |
| LjL | people are confused, and i can't fault them for it | 06:00 |
| moose | Yeah, they should have suspended the use of it if the data said it was higher risk by some threshold, but don't let the media dictate what the root cause was. | 06:00 |
| LjL | moose, when you look at the WHO's messaging in a nutshell, the perplexing thing is obvious: they were like "don't use mask, they don't do any good. they are essential for medical workers." so either they do any good or not | 06:01 |
| moose | Right. | 06:01 |
| LjL | also i'm not entirely sure why i'm consistently not pluralizing "mask", but whatever | 06:01 |
| moose | I've also been told not to wear a respirator in hospital facilities, because of the "unfiltered vents" | 06:01 |
| LjL | oh well yeah that's a whole story of its own | 06:01 |
| moose | It's an exciting one. | 06:01 |
| LjL | i assume you've been told that about a respirator *with* vents, at least? | 06:02 |
| moose | Yes, it has a one way breather on it. | 06:02 |
| LjL | the thing with those is | 06:02 |
| moose | I'm a health physicist. I routinely test for free contamination in those facilities. They denied me entry saying I must wear a "medical grade mask" :) | 06:02 |
| moose | OSHA says I can't! | 06:02 |
| moose | But I understand why the vents are no good if you're infected. | 06:02 |
| moose | So I think the blanket advice of "Don't let anyone in without one of our masks" is fine in some situations,. | 06:03 |
| LjL | they're kind of very effective at stopping you from getting COVID. more so than ones without vents, because once those get wet with your moist breath (sorry, breath is just kinda moist), they aren't very effective. so if you consistently wear them, you're at a much lower risk of getting COVID... which means you're also at much lower risk of giving anyone else COVID | 06:03 |
| LjL | so the simple "don't wear them because your out-air isn't filtered" statement isn't as straightforward as it sounds | 06:03 |
| moose | Yeah. | 06:03 |
| moose | Say I live entirely alone and don't go anywhere without wearing a P100 respirator. I'm at near zero risk of contracting the virus thus at even lower risk of spreading it. | 06:04 |
| LjL | anyway, some people have found a compromise with wearing them with a surgical on top | 06:04 |
| moose | Yeah, I've appeased security with that before. | 06:04 |
| moose | Recently I've told them if they require it, I will come with my own atmosphere and they will be billed for it. | 06:05 |
| LjL | heh | 06:05 |
| moose | I spent 3 hours under SCBA once. Not fun. But also people staring and avoiding the heck out of me. Guy with a detector running around in a suit freaks people out. | 06:05 |
| moose | Makes lines a lot shorter :D | 06:06 |
| de-facto | i think the main problem with the FFP2/3 N95/N100 masks is the lack of tight fit: the best filter is useless if air is allowed to bypass it left and right of the nose while inhaling | 06:10 |
| LjL | moose, social, uh... social staring is the main reason i haven't bought an actual respirator (as opposed to disposable FFP2s) yet, i guess | 06:10 |
| LjL | not fully sure why i care | 06:10 |
| moose | I get very little staring when wearing an MSA low profile respirator. | 06:10 |
| moose | People ask if I paint and try to get me to help with their automotive stuff. | 06:10 |
| LjL | yes i think de-facto's point is very important in real-life usage by people | 06:10 |
| de-facto | symptom of that: glasses would fog, air would be blown into the own eyes on exhaling through exactly the same non-airtight fit: left and right to the nose | 06:10 |
| moose | de-facto: very true | 06:11 |
| moose | well, glasses fogging with regular masks and some unvented respirators is normal | 06:11 |
| LjL | the KN95 masks that pass for FFP2 in Europe are, i fear, *quite* close to useless | 06:11 |
| moose | We run into issues all of the time with our folks doing surveys who wear glasses or need to wear goggles | 06:12 |
| moose | We started just buying vented respirators for everyone, even the disposable ones. | 06:12 |
| moose | Some situations you can't though, and we opt for full face masks then. | 06:12 |
| de-facto | well if glasses fog it means on exhaling air is blown between the lip of the mask and the face to reach behind the glasses, so that is an indicator of non-airtight fit, if its normal it acutally means all of those masks dont fit properly | 06:12 |
| moose | I've gone into my grocery store with a full face respirator before. That got some stares. | 06:12 |
| moose | Exhalation is usually not air tight in tight fitting respirators | 06:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 742: De-fusing COVID-19: TWiV reviews a drug screen for inhibitors of syncytium formation, the fusing of cells caused by SARS-CoV-2, which reveals that the process is regulated by a calcium-activated ion channel and scrambles that is inhibited by the anti-parasite drug Niclosamide. → https://is.gd/SZBKkW | 06:13 |
| de-facto | and that exactly is my assumption, the very vast majority of the masks does not fit airtight enough to provide proper filtering | 06:13 |
| moose | That's why you do a fit test on inhalation to detect overbreathing of respirators | 06:13 |
| moose | So you use a bitterant or smoky scent usually for the wearer to react to a leak | 06:13 |
| LjL | moose, this is a favorite of some people here https://www.amazon.co.uk/GVS-Technology-SPR299-Elipse-Respiratore-elasticizzati/dp/B004YVYBX8/ | 06:13 |
| moose | Oh those are quite low profile | 06:14 |
| LjL | that's partly why it's a favorite | 06:14 |
| moose | https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSA-Safety-10102273-Respirator-certified/dp/B01N6N2MUA/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=msa+advantage&qid=1618114455&s=industrial&sr=1-3 we issue these | 06:14 |
| LjL | yes those are the alien style | 06:14 |
| de-facto | once i became aware of that problem (non-airtight fit left and right to the nose) i looked in my everyday life and i would say nearly 100% of masks i have seen do NOT fit airtight there | 06:15 |
| moose | https://www.amazon.com/MSA-815369-Advantage-Combination-Low-Profile/dp/B01730UGRQ/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=msa+filter+p100+low+profile&qid=1618114503&sr=8-2 these are the cartridges we use | 06:15 |
| de-facto | strangely enough the airtight fit is supposed to be part of the certification process | 06:15 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes and no | 06:15 |
| moose | de-facto: Yeah but the non air tight fit largely only matters for inhalation. It's expected that an exhale will escape through the sides often. | 06:16 |
| de-facto | at least for FFP afaik | 06:16 |
| moose | But you should be able to hold your hands over your inlets and create a vacuum | 06:16 |
| moose | If you can't, you are not fit. | 06:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, iirc it's part of the certification process with KN95 but not N95. not actually sure about FFP2 | 06:16 |
| moose | There are tests for exhalation but they are not as important. Hold your hand over your vent and breathe out, it should balloon and go out the sides. | 06:16 |
| LjL | (but that said... it's pretty clear most of the KN95 are *not* meaningfully certified for fit) | 06:16 |
| de-facto | moose if you press the mask to your face with such test the fit appears airtight even if it is not when its only hold by the strips around the head | 06:17 |
| moose | Right, you should very much so only hold your hands barely over them to create a seal on your hand and not the mask to the face. | 06:17 |
| moose | That's why formal fit testing is important, with a person who can conduct it. | 06:17 |
| moose | But in the absence of fit testing, that self test is sufficient in almost all cases | 06:17 |
| LjL | but we can't do that on 7 million people, so i guess there is a fair debate over whether wearing something that's not "just a surgical" is warranted for everyone | 06:18 |
| moose | When you breathe, it will pull a light vacuum and it will direct 99% of your air through the filter medium | 06:18 |
| de-facto | yes yet its almost impossible to hold the hand airtight over the holes without pressing also the mask to the face (at least a bit) | 06:18 |
| moose | de-facto: correct, but I've never had someone fail a fit test except with oversized masks :) | 06:18 |
| moose | and I've probably done this with tens of thousands of adults and even kids | 06:18 |
| LjL | on the other hand, a surgical mask has a hydrophilic layer inside, and a hydrophobic layer outside, which is... i guess generally good. an FFP2 or similar just doesn't work too well once it gets wet. so that's something a surgical has *over* a respirator, for a person you can assume will not have a correct fit | 06:19 |
| de-facto | i am yet to find a mask that has airtight fit, so far i did not found one | 06:19 |
| moose | But the concern is always there... how do you know it's working? So you tell them, just hold your hands over it and don't push hard, if you feel it pull then you're good. Or if you have strong lungs, pull hard without your hands and see if it vacuums a bit | 06:19 |
| moose | de-facto: You likely will not find one. Tight fitting masks are not "air tight" they are tight to certain pressures and geometries | 06:19 |
| de-facto | at least all the normal FFP's i have found do not fit airtight, also on other faces | 06:19 |
| moose | And they require a specific breathing amount and all sorts of fun things, like no facial hair and no makeup. | 06:20 |
| de-facto | yeah somewhat tight but not tight enough to ensure all goes through the filter | 06:20 |
| LjL | what do you mean i can't wear my makeup | 06:20 |
| de-facto | yeah i know | 06:20 |
| moose | Get yourself a fit test kit. It will include a bitterant that will taste terrible if you inhale it but is safe. | 06:20 |
| de-facto | lol | 06:20 |
| moose | So you can try out your mask and do what is called a confidence test. | 06:20 |
| de-facto | LjL you can but then it will be messed up | 06:20 |
| moose | I've done live cyanide confidence tests for folks before, that's a fun one. | 06:21 |
| LjL | messed up makeup is worse than no makeup! | 06:21 |
| LjL | ... | 06:21 |
| moose | Enough cyanide to smell it, enough for a 5 gas to detect it, but not sufficient to cause harm. | 06:21 |
| LjL | or is it | 06:21 |
| moose | It's safe lol | 06:21 |
| LjL | i'll take your word for it, and not try1 | 06:21 |
| moose | Yeah please do not try. This isn't youtube :p | 06:22 |
| de-facto | a proper gas mask probably is a whole different story in terms of airtight fit, i am talking about the majority of "medical grade" FFP2 FFP3 N95 N100 KN95 et al | 06:22 |
| moose | There's kids on youtube who extract cyanide from various foods and then concentrate it. Enough to kill ya pretty quickly at that. | 06:22 |
| moose | But they find it a game | 06:22 |
| LjL | moose, you mean when you smash cellphone batteries with a hammer you don't deeply inhale the fumes as a lucky ritual for getting more views? | 06:23 |
| de-facto | those that the majority of people wear, hence those with a prevalence for epidemiological impact | 06:23 |
| LjL | well that's less fun than even smashing batteries :\ | 06:23 |
| moose | Oh no, I certainly do that. Helps with the bipolar and psychosis for some reason. | 06:23 |
| moose | If I don't inhale a broken iPhone every couple of days... I get weird O.o | 06:24 |
| LjL | thought so | 06:24 |
| de-facto | if they would have some kind of metal clamp (e.g. a ring with a cut out sector) to hold the mask down left and right to the nose they would fit much much better | 06:24 |
| moose | de-facto: Sure and cause inflammation and dryness in your nasal passages thus increasing your risks :) | 06:24 |
| LjL | de-facto, i still think a clamp strong enough to actually give you a fit will also plug your nose :P | 06:24 |
| de-facto | fair point | 06:25 |
| LjL | actually i saw someone with a... strange mask today | 06:25 |
| moose | You can wear nose clamps they use to control bleeding and also stuff cotton in your mouth. Maybe it'll help. | 06:25 |
| de-facto | anyhow the tiny metal wire inside their fabric is not nearly enough to hold it down (as observed by how most people wear it) | 06:25 |
| moose | Most people wear their masks over their chins here. | 06:25 |
| moose | Or without the nose covered. | 06:25 |
| LjL | i *think*, though i'm not sure, it was a cotton kind mask with a "reverse clamp" kind of thing on the top... he wasn't wearing it *over* his nose, but (sigh, like so many) under, except that clamp held it *to* his nose O.o | 06:25 |
| LjL | or it might have been plugging his nose. that would make more logical sense, except it'd still be silly | 06:26 |
| moose | I want to have a great retort for someone who tells me I look funny when wearing a mask. | 06:26 |
| de-facto | i really think this is the main problem with the masks right now | 06:27 |
| de-facto | and having a P100 may even make it worse because it imposes more airflow resistance | 06:27 |
| LjL | moose, "some people need a mask, i'm glad for you it's just natural" | 06:27 |
| moose | Something like "That's so rude. I won't be telling you the same when you end up on the slab next month." | 06:27 |
| de-facto | or N100 or what they are called in US | 06:28 |
| LjL | oh, "great" like in psychotic, right | 06:28 |
| moose | Does that sound psychotic? :P | 06:28 |
| de-facto | the ones with more dense filters i mean (in comparsion to FFP2 or N95) | 06:28 |
| LjL | n-noooooo | 06:28 |
| moose | Sometimes I wonder of my dark commentary is scary for some random people lol | 06:28 |
| moose | Maybe they can't tell it's humor... I dunno! | 06:28 |
| LjL | i'm okay, you don't know where i live | 06:28 |
| LjL | %cases lombardy | 06:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardy, Italy, there have been 755811 confirmed cases (7.5% of the population) and 31373 deaths (4.2% of cases) as of 2 days ago. 196302 tests were performed (385.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardy for time series data. | 06:28 |
| LjL | oh that was totally random curiosity | 06:28 |
| moose | I currently reside in the US. | 06:29 |
| LjL | (7.5% fuck) | 06:29 |
| de-facto | 385% positive tests? wow. | 06:29 |
| LjL | also known as "the land of mRNA" | 06:29 |
| moose | %cases seattle | 06:29 |
| Brainstorm | moose: Sorry, seattle not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:29 |
| LjL | O.o | 06:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, lol | 06:29 |
| moose | Screw you, bot. | 06:29 |
| moose | %cases usa | 06:29 |
| Brainstorm | moose: In United States, there have been 31.2 million confirmed cases (9.5% of the population) and 565471 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 2 days ago. 413.3 million tests were performed (7.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20States for time series data. | 06:29 |
| LjL | moose, try a state | 06:30 |
| moose | %cases washington | 06:30 |
| LjL | where's seattle, probably alaska | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | moose: In Washington, United States, there have been 372170 confirmed cases (5.2% of the population) and 5306 deaths (1.4% of cases) as of 2 days ago. 1.0 million tests were performed (36.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Washington for time series data. | 06:30 |
| moose | Neat. Thanks bot. | 06:30 |
| LjL | and it didn't even mess up the percentage of positive tests | 06:30 |
| LjL | ugh | 06:31 |
| moose | I am surprised someone has not shouted about the whole "The cases are clearly fake, look at that data! It never happened! It's all a lie!" | 06:31 |
| LjL | i'm totally not debugging the Lombardy thing now, instead i'm going to sleep | 06:31 |
| moose | Oh, is it your bot? | 06:31 |
| LjL | it is my bot | 06:31 |
| de-facto | yeah the data itself is weird for lombardy | 06:31 |
| moose | Neat, did you write it? | 06:31 |
| LjL | but also if someone did that they'd be banned real quick | 06:31 |
| de-facto | your bot does just fine with the numbers it got | 06:31 |
| LjL | well i wrote the covid part, and other parts, the core is... an old bot that i really should replace with something not full of holes | 06:32 |
| moose | Yeah, correct | 06:32 |
| LjL | de-facto, yeah, i can see that, although a sanity check might help | 06:32 |
| * de-facto pets Brainstorm | 06:32 | |
| * Brainstorm starts to measure up de-facto with some discriminatory advantageousness | 06:32 | |
| de-facto | :P | 06:32 |
| moose | lol wow | 06:33 |
| de-facto | such a good bot | 06:33 |
| LjL | yeah the upstream data are wrong. i'm going to add a sanity check to just make it not print the test count | 06:33 |
| LjL | %cases Lombardy | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardy, Italy, there have been 755811 confirmed cases (7.5% of the population) and 31373 deaths (4.2% of cases) as of 2 days ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardy for time series data. | 06:35 |
| LjL | Brainstorm®, now with less (spurious) data | 06:36 |
| de-facto | hihihi LjL is a perfectionist :D | 06:37 |
| LjL | sure, not showing "385% positive!" is perfectionism now :P | 06:38 |
| LjL | wait i know | 06:39 |
| de-facto | its neither your fault nor Brainstorms, probably the upstream started counting tests later than positive cases or such? | 06:39 |
| LjL | a Lombard household is 3.85 people on average | 06:39 |
| LjL | so if you test positive, that's pretty much guaranteed 3.85 people positive on average | 06:39 |
| LjL | mystery solved | 06:39 |
| LjL | de-facto, no because it used to work. it probably *stopped* counting tests, i guess | 06:39 |
| LjL | the upstream is covidly, just don't tell them | 06:40 |
| de-facto | yeah | 06:40 |
| de-facto | really crazy theory: asians have smaller noses the masks fit more airtight for them | 06:42 |
| LjL | you had that theory before, i need to point out to you for US standards, saying such a thing would be racist :P | 06:43 |
| LjL | (source: VR headsets to use with phones are totally made for Chinese noses, but you can't say that without being picked on) | 06:44 |
| de-facto | huh? what is racist with such a statement? its an advantage for them actually | 06:45 |
| LjL | worse then, reverse racism! | 06:45 |
| LjL | anyway i'm now forcing myself to be off to sleep | 06:45 |
| LjL | adieu | 06:45 |
| de-facto | good night | 06:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘You can’t trust anyone’: Russia’s hidden Covid-19 toll is an open secret → https://is.gd/Y7ZoTb | 07:04 |
| pwr22 | LjL: looking like Pfizer is also not great on the South African variants https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-israel-study/south-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-israeli-study-says-idUSKBN2BX0JZ | 08:32 |
| pwr22 | My feeling is that all vaccines developed for gen 1 of the virus aren't going to be much use against gen 2 | 08:32 |
| pwr22 | Also looks like J&J might be causing blood clots too? | 08:33 |
| pwr22 | Well, probably more correct to say "Blood weirdness" at this point | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Concern in Italy that mafia redirecting vaccine to friends as elderly die → https://is.gd/eE0Dc7 | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | April 11, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/wp3uTW | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India fastest in world to administer 100 million Covid vaccine shots → https://is.gd/JXruHf | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Chinese vaccines’ effectiveness low: Report → https://is.gd/ScOyEr | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Official: Chinese vaccines' effectiveness low → https://is.gd/8YqICS | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: South African Variant Can "Break Through" Pfizer Vaccine: Israeli Study → https://is.gd/PXHmYt | 13:22 |
| eventcheck[m] | %cases france | 13:31 |
| Brainstorm | eventcheck[m]: In France, there have been 4.9 million confirmed cases (7.3% of the population) and 97364 deaths (2.0% of cases) as of 3 days ago. 67.8 million tests were performed (7.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 13:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has slammed the Supreme Court justice who ordered a probe into the government's handling of the coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/py6opb | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): COVID19: Hard choices emerge as link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare clotting disorder becomes clearer → https://is.gd/LKcpPt | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Merkel backs tougher COVID lockdown in Germany → https://is.gd/NT1kF9 | 15:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Former Bangladesh PM Khaleda Zia tests positive for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/tIX8sM | 16:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Antiviralis es gyulladasellenes kezelesi lehetosegek COVID-19-ben. → https://is.gd/BU1TFh | 17:09 |
| LjL | pwr22: well, that contradicts Pfizer's own results (which are on a press release, not sure if they published a paper yet)... Of course you could say Pfizer is more interested in saying it works, but not necessarily since they can make more money (and they stated it) on boosters for variants. Anyhow both studies, the current Israeli one and Pfizer's one, are based on numbers that aren't quite huge. To me the sum of them just says we don't really know yet. Or | 17:46 |
| LjL | perhaps that SA has *some* amount of resistance to the vaccine, but without knowing quite how much... And it could still work substantially well in most cases. That there is some resistance was known from the in vitro studies. | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: COVID: Which countries still have no vaccines? → https://is.gd/P8t4IQ | 18:12 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-said-to-warn-israel-pay-up-or-go-to-back-of-vaccine-line/ | 18:42 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.timesofisrael.com: Pfizer said to warn Israel: Pay up or go to the back of vaccine line | The Times of Israel | 18:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Thailand hits new daily record with nearly 1,000 virus cases: Thailand's Health Ministry warned Sunday that restrictions may need to be tightened to slow the spread of a fresh coronavirus wave, as the country hit a daily record for new cases. → https://is.gd/tcreKK | 18:43 |
| LjL | useful site for anyone in the US looking at getting a vaccine appointment: https://www.vaccinespotter.org/ | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India on Sunday banned the export of remdesivir as infections soared to a new daily high and hospitals grappled with increasing demand for the coronavirus treatment drug. The vast nation has experienced a sharp rise in cases in recent weeks, adding 152,000 new cases on Sunday → https://is.gd/b5YLaG | 19:56 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Add vaccinespotter.org, both in Vaccines and in Info ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/1901725e24c1c07da508af93b39a3fdd7c559776 ) | 19:57 | |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add also VaccineSpotter API to the API section → https://is.gd/QES8WW | 20:06 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Add also VaccineSpotter API to the API section ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/f13f32e2a9754b7752720877517570e7cfddda19 ) | 20:07 | |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: China official calls reports he said country's COVID-19 vaccines weren't very effective 'a complete misunderstanding' → https://is.gd/R15nsk | 20:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 20% Covid cases in Maharashtra of new double variant, experts rush to find impact on vaccines → https://is.gd/Ca7WWz | 20:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'Up to 80 percent' in Sicily refuse AZ vaccine: president → https://is.gd/c1MTgM | 21:19 |
| Arsanerit | double variant? | 21:20 |
| LjL | how about just nuke Sicily, seriously | 21:21 |
| LjL | (not seriously) | 21:21 |
| LjL | but seriously | 21:21 |
| Arsanerit | What is the double variant? | 21:26 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, it's just a fancy term they use in India to indicate it has two "important" mutations | 21:35 |
| LjL | but variants that we already know about also exhibit that | 21:35 |
| LjL | anyway, the core issue is there's definitely more dangerous variants circulating now in India than before | 21:35 |
| LjL | their curve is extremely scary looking | 21:36 |
| Arsanerit | Let's stop flying around the world then. | 21:37 |
| BaronVonPromste4 | That may impact global trade and logistics 🤔 | 21:38 |
| Arsanerit | Should be possible to unload a freight plane without the pilot getting off. | 21:39 |
| Arsanerit | As for freight trains, park them at the border, one driver leaves, other driver arrives. | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Brazil now has more young than old COVID patients in ICUs: The number of COVID-19 patients under 40 in intensive care in Brazil surpassed older groups last month, a researcher said Sunday, amid a deadly surge driven partly by a new coronavirus variant. → https://is.gd/MeoKVc | 21:39 |
| Arsanerit | Isn't the observation that ICU patients are getting younger on average just a consequence of more old people having been vaccinated, or is it still true if corrected for that? | 21:40 |
| rpifan | but i thought the virus would get more infectious and less deadly | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: CDC Warns Americans Against Travel to Canada, Even if They’re Vaccinated → https://is.gd/ebZL10 | 22:10 |
| rpifan | why | 22:17 |
| rpifan | canada | 22:17 |
| rpifan | is doing well | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Top US diplomat Blinken criticises China, says 'need to get to the bottom' of Covid-19 origin → https://is.gd/lGoOGD | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: "How disconnected do you have to be to flirt with disinformation on public health and vaccines while a deadly virus takes loved ones, friends, and neighbours?"- Trudeau slams 'disconnected' Conservatives in sharply worded speech to party faithful → https://is.gd/pzgXLA | 22:52 |
| LjL | de-facto, i was pointed to https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132 by someone on reddit when i said that the low platelet count situation doesn't happen with the mRNA vaccines | 23:27 |
| LjL | so this is the first time i learn that maybe it does happen | 23:27 |
| LjL | they appear to have excavated cases from VAERS, so i don't really know how much weight to give it | 23:27 |
| LjL | (but then, the only thing that user has been doing on Reddit for the past 5 days has been linkined to that study...) | 23:35 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!