libera/##covid-19/ Tuesday, 2021-04-20

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BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] Women, children, and adolescents in the post-pandemic world: Mahomed Patel and Christine Phillips1 offer compelling arguments for a post-COVID-19 world that breaks with business as usual. I wholeheartedly agree. An early study2 of the indirect impact of COVID-19 on maternal and child mortality estimated 2 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zfIDRc00:37
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: More J&J troubles: Vaccine manufacturing halted and more possible clot cases → https://is.gd/Yhf3yP00:48
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CoronaBot/r/covid19: Children develop strong and sustained cross-reactive immune responses against spike protein following SARS-CoV-2 infection (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.12.21255275v1 | https://redd.it/mu724802:44
CoronaBot/r/covid19: The increase in the risk of severity and fatality rate of covid-19 in southern Brazil after the emergence of the Variant of Concern (VOC) SARS-CoV-2 P.1 was greater among young adults without pre-existing risk conditions (83 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.13.21255281v1 | https://redd.it/mu827i04:21
CoronaBot/r/covid19: Sputnik V demonstrates 97.6% efficacy according to analysis of data from 3.8 million vaccinated persons in Russia making it the most efficient COVID-19 vaccine in the world (85 votes) | https://rdif.ru/Eng_fullNews/6722/ | https://redd.it/mucb4804:39
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Non-stop cremations cast doubt on India's counting of COVID dead - Gas and firewood furnaces at a crematorium in the western Indian state of Gujarat have been running so long without a break during the COVID-19 pandemic that metal parts have begun to melt. → https://is.gd/EQLjN205:02
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Swedish teen Greta Thunberg joins fight against vaccine inequity → https://is.gd/8KQEQy05:53
BrainstormNew from Politico: Aid and development: Documents: Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine shortfall due to production woes in EU → https://is.gd/8q3kp706:03
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Gut's immune response in COVID-19 may not provide efficient protection of other organs: Our guts may not provide long-lasting systemic immunity from COVID-19, which is where immune cells circulate through the body to provide protection to other organs, finds a new study published in Frontiers in Immunology. An analysis of blood [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GK0PMD06:13
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19: White House refuses to comment on lifting ban on vaccine raw materials export to India → https://is.gd/Pa34ce07:04
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Tanzanian Variant Detected In Angola From An Entirely New Branch Of SARS-CoV-2 → https://is.gd/OgIZGh07:46
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: ‘We understand India’s pharmaceutical requirements’: Biden admin on vaccine’s raw material supply issues → https://is.gd/VH03sf07:56
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Why pink eye or conjunctivitis could be a symptom of COVID 19 → https://is.gd/zBwjA008:17
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Climate change: Carbon 'surge' expected in post-Covid energy boom → https://is.gd/ojE3Wc08:58
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | April 20, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/c9BYHk09:09
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's Devastating 2nd Wave Is Driving Global Covid Surge → https://is.gd/R3JcKX09:29
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Japanese region seeks new virus emergency as Olympics near: Japan's third most populated region will on Tuesday ask the central government to impose a state of emergency over the coronavirus as infections rise just three months before the country hosts the Olympics. → https://is.gd/7aa9Vt09:39
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: US warns against travel to 80% of world due to coronavirus: The State Department on Monday urged Americans reconsider any international travel they may have planned and said it would issue specific warnings not to visit roughly 80% of the world's countries due to risks from the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/BDWMid09:50
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: J&J Covid vaccine manufacturing halted at plant that ruined doses: The US Food and Drug Administration requested that production of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine be halted at a factory that previously reportedly ruined about 15 million doses of the shot. → https://is.gd/oFTlJN10:10
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid contracts: PPE fixer who was Tory donor named in admin error → https://is.gd/nYXHXA10:31
BrainstormNew from StatNews: We know a lot about Covid-19. Experts have many more questions: STAT asked experts to explain the question they would most like to have answered about Covid. Here's what they had to say. → https://is.gd/PW5Hzl10:42
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Opinion: Catching Covid-19 after being vaccinated isn’t a myth. It happened to me: Even with nearly 25% of the U.S. population fully vaccinated, people like me who got Covid-19 even after being vaccinated are proof that now is not the time to let… → https://is.gd/oVt1dw10:52
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: A mask that grows into a tree: Why this idea from Mangaluru has become a pandemic hit → https://is.gd/UcUx5v12:35
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Global Health Summit, Draghi introduce webinar di ascolto con la società civile ( http://www.governo.it/it/articolo/global-health-summit-draghi-e-von-der-leyen-ascoltano-la-societ-civile/16664 )12:51
BrainstormNew from Politico: Airlines: France launches coronavirus travel pass → https://is.gd/uovBRP13:16
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Covid in Scotland: Hospitality, gyms and shops to open from Monday: The first minister confirms that the most significant stage in lockdown easing will go ahead as planned. → https://is.gd/n1f52Q13:27
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Japanese businessmen brighten makeup industry amid pandemic → https://is.gd/De20g813:37
BrainstormNew from NIH Director's blog: Study Finds 1 in 10 Healthcare Workers with Mild COVID Have Lasting Symptoms: It’s become increasingly clear that even healthy people with mild cases of COVID-19 can battle a constellation of symptoms that worsen over time—or which sometimes disappear only to come right back. These symptoms are part of what’s called [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WJ2sb615:00
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Biden aides met with U.S. health companies about supply chains; J&J Covid-19 shot notched $100m in sales → https://is.gd/uKG94T15:32
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: India red list add 'may be too late', Prof Mark Walport says → https://is.gd/BfAwSO15:53
BrainstormNew from EMA: News and press releases: (news): COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen: EMA finds possible link to very rare cases of unusual blood clots with low blood platelets, PRAC, 20/04/2021 → https://is.gd/SK3aoK16:04
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Thailand gov't negotiating to buy Pfizer coronavirus vaccine: Thai Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha, under intense criticism for failing to secure adequate supplies of coronavirus vaccines, said Tuesday his government is negotiating to buy 5 million to 10 million doses from U.S. pharmaceutical company Pfizer. → https://is.gd/siaRdR16:14
CoronaBot/r/coronavirus: Ted Nugent has caught COVID-19 after calling it "not a real pandemic" (10555 votes) | https://www.nme.com/news/music/ted-nugent-has-caught-covid-19-after-calling-it-not-a-real-pandemic-2924035 | https://redd.it/mun8jq16:20
BrainstormNew from WebMD: (news): Meatpacking Plants Accounted for 334,000 U.S. COVID Cases → https://is.gd/Zrv1Lr16:25
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Colloquio telefonico tra il Presidente Draghi e il Segretario Generale Onu Guterres ( http://www.governo.it/it/articolo/colloquio-telefonico-tra-il-presidente-draghi-e-il-segretario-generale-onu-guterres/16666 )16:36
kreyrenhttps://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=gJyPvUCYom416:41
kreyrenDW reports india's health system overwhelmed with record cases of covid-19 infections16:41
kreyrenpatients are reported to share beds and oxygen being in short supply16:42
bin_bashi just saw an article about a flight from mumbai to hong kong where FORTY-SEVEN passengers tested positive17:13
BrainstormNew from BMJ Open: How has technology been used to deliver cardiac rehabilitation during the COVID-19 pandemic? An international cross-sectional survey of healthcare professionals conducted by the BACPR: Objective To investigate whether exercise-based cardiac rehabilitation services continued during the COVID-19 pandemic and how technology has been [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/cdLu3717:50
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Comirnaty, COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (nucleoside-modified), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 21/12/2020, Revision: 5, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/golaYG18:00
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Johnson & Johnson vaccine: EU regulator says blood clot 'very rare side effect' → https://is.gd/hivWRb18:11
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: SARS-CoV-2 cardiac involvement low in collegiate athletes: (HealthDay)—For U.S. collegiate athletes, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection is associated with a low prevalence of cardiac involvement, according to a study published online April 17 in Circulation. → https://is.gd/eQHMgQ18:22
de-facto.title https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/49-passengers-on-india-hong-kong-flight-test-positive-for-covid18:30
Brainstormde-facto: From www.aljazeera.com: 49 passengers on India-Hong Kong flight test positive for COVID | Coronavirus pandemic News | Al Jazeera18:30
de-factoyay lets fly all around the globe and happily spread the newest mutants...18:30
de-facto....NOT !!!18:30
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Greta Thunberg condemns vaccine inequality between rich and poor countries → https://is.gd/KNbMqk18:32
de-factoi just can repeat myself like a broken record: i dont understand why ANY passenger flights are allowed at all, imho ALL of them should be banned until the pandemic is resolved. Its how it started, its how it continues, thats more than crystal clear in year 1 after the start of the initial global spread by: airplane and passengers not quarantined properly18:33
de-factoi mean noone even questions that mechanism of spread, so why is it tolerated? do we want to spread any evasive mutant globally even before (therefore outdated) vaccinations are available globally?18:35
de-factois the desired goal to select with current gen vaccines all the very best evasive mutants? should we promote their spread in order to ensure global vaccination campaign could not stop them?18:37
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: EMA links Johnson & Johnson vaccine to blood clots: Blood clots should be listed as a "very rare" side effect of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine but its benefits still outweigh the risks, the EU's drug watchdog said on Tuesday. → https://is.gd/Wmve6v18:42
BrainstormNew from Politico: Asia: EU-India summit to be held virtually over COVID concerns → https://is.gd/J7wpzM19:04
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: Belgian artist’s ‘portable oasis’ creates COVID-free bubble for one → https://is.gd/XIcyau19:14
CoronaBot/r/covid19: COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen: EMA finds possible link to very rare cases of unusual blood clots with low platelets (82 votes) | https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/covid-19-vaccine-janssen-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood | https://redd.it/mur61i19:21
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: LEGGE 15 aprile 2021, n.50: Conversione in legge, con modificazioni, del decreto-legge  13  marzo2021, n.  31,  recante  misure  urgenti  in  materia  di  svolgimentodell'esame  di   Stato   per   l'abilitazione   all'esercizio   dellaprofessione  di  avvocato  durante  l'emergenza   epidemiologica   [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/y8kKXZ19:35
BrainstormNew from Scientific American: What's Causing Michigan's COVID Surge, and Who's Getting Sick?: Medical staff oversee a COVID vaccination clinic in Detroit. Michigan has seen an explosion of COVID cases in recent weeks. → https://is.gd/L9BtFP20:16
LjLhttps://twitter.com/KeithC1One/status/1384346174572879873 *sigh* why do i even interact with people on twitter (well i know the answer, it's because i'm going to twitter to check my earthquake stuff and then twitter prods me with "suggestions")20:26
LjLaside: this person blocked me *while* responding, without me even responding back, so bad faith seems pretty much to be taken for granted... and i wonder the rationale behind twitter not actually showing me who is blocking me, because 1) i can see it anyway if i just look at that URL from a private window or somesuch, and 2) i think it's only fair to give me a chance to reciprocate the block, since he's answering things i've said but i am no longer able to20:28
LjLsee his answers, least i can do is stop him from seeing *my* answers so he can stop answering them with further bullshit20:28
LjLi don't know, maybe it's the wrong reasoning and what makes people end up in social media "bubbles" of only people who think like them20:29
LjLbut still, the whole mechanism provided for blocking doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me20:29
pigughsi've never understood why if I allow someone to follow me, I can't remove them other than blocking them20:33
CoronaBot/r/covid19: Serum Zinc, Copper, and Other Biometals Are Associated with COVID-19 Severity Markers (80 votes) | https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-03198797/ | https://redd.it/munj3u20:34
BrainstormNew from WebMD: More Signs COVID Shots Are Safe for Pregnant Women: Despite the lack of clinical trial data, more and more smaller studies are suggesting that the vaccines are safe for both mother and child. → https://is.gd/s6sThS20:37
BrainstormNew from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: April 20, 2021 → https://is.gd/tL6IEy21:19
LjLpigughs, you mean when your account is otherwise private and you need to authorize people before they can follow you?21:25
LjLbin_bash, well i saw something last night where Canada is reporting that "on most flights" between Delhi and i think Toronto there was at least one positive passenger, and we can't really know whether it's more than one because they only communicate a range of rows of seats where someone positive was sitting, so you don't know how many in that "red area" tested positive, but the article said it was likely most of them had more than one positive21:27
LjLi've also seen articles claiming the numbers reported by India are almost certainly much lower than reality due to crematoriums (crematoria?) being seen to work much harder than usual :(21:28
bin_bashLjL: it boggles the mind why anyone is still accepting flights out of India21:28
LjLi know, me too21:29
LjLthe UK just added India to their "red list" yesterday or the day before21:29
LjLGermany probably still hasn't...?21:29
LjLand anyway it's too late because both countries already have some cases now21:29
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pfizer shareholders are urged to reject political spending that contradicts ‘company values’ → https://is.gd/FLXAY721:29
LjLwell, i don't mean it's useless to do it now, better late than never, you can still slow it down a bit21:30
LjLbut the big key thing would be *not importing it in the first place*21:30
LjLwe've had the UK variant, then South Africa, and Brazil, etc... we've seen what "uh-oh variants" mean21:31
LjLshould be pretty obvious that if a variant in India is making everyone go "uh-oh" then flights should be stopped BEFORE some bureaucratic committee officially declares it a "variant of concern" or whatever21:31
LjLthe times of bureaucracy are not compatible with the times of COVID, i guess is one of the big issues21:31
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Clot questions over AstraZeneca and J&J vaccine: The Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca vaccines have come under suspicion of causing very rare but serious blood clots in a handful of cases among the millions vaccinated in the drive to bring the pandemic under control. → https://is.gd/uc1nrZ21:40
de-factoLjL, its never too late to block flights, its all a question of probabilities, if its only few cases they might also end up in a dead end, but if they are constantly "reseeded" the probability for a successful import of a mutant rises as in establishing a self sustaining reproduction locally21:57
de-factook sure there are thresholds, of course it would not make sense to try to block B.1.1.7 imports, they are more than self sustaining internally with R(B.1.1.7) > 1 anyhow21:58
de-factobut in the initial import phase where R(VoC) fluctuates wildly chances increase it might fizzle away when imported cases are only few at limited rate21:59
de-factoso blocking as much as possible makes sense imho21:59
Blankspace%cases India22:01
BrainstormBlankspace: In India, there have been 13.1 million confirmed cases (1.0% of the population) and 167569 deaths (1.3% of cases) as of 8 days ago. 254.0 million tests were performed (5.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.22:01
de-factothe probability of course depends also on the reproduction number R(VoC) for a specific variant relative to the reproduction number R(majority) of the current main contribution to local incidence22:02
de-factoexample: if R(B.1.1.7) > R(VoC) in the current population (with recoveries and vaccinations etc) and local containment causes efforts to achieve R(B.1.1.7) < 1 it directly would imply R(VoC) < R(B.1.1.7) < 1 hence containment of it too and if its only few cases they might just vanish with ending the last infection chain of that VoC22:05
de-factobut that would really be the best thinkable scenario with a lot of luck22:05
kreyrenhttps://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=SDwjX1MC1d822:07
kreyrenDW update on then jenssen COVID-19 vaccine22:07
de-factothe question might be: how much would imports by flights change the number of active cases with that specific VoC? if its not present yet the change would be infinite (introduction) but if its already there a few more imports of exactly the same VoC woudl not matter too much22:08
de-facto(depending on how many are already there and how their number would in crease by tolerating an airplane to land)22:09
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Italy approves J&J vaccine, recommends it for over 60s: Italy on Tuesday declared the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine to be "safe" and said it would prioritise its use for people over 60. → https://is.gd/ZfWwq222:10
de-factoif an airplane containing 49 B.1.617 mutants would be allowed to land, it might increase the the 8 cases in Germany by 613% but increase the 161 cases in UK only by 30%22:13
de-facto(not sure if all those are still active though)22:13
de-factodynamics are non-linear though and have thresholds22:14
de-factoabsolute worst case would be a super spreader import22:14
de-factoand i fear we will see those events with vaccine green-passes22:15
de-factoif green-passports from receiving any vaccine allow for 1) free travel (ensuring selective import of the concerning evasive mutants) and 2) free participation in large group events because stupid politicians think its equivalent to negative tests (allowing for super-spreading the problematic mutant) we will be very sorry when we have to start all over again with vaccinations22:17
de-factoi can see BOTH 1) and 2) already discussed NOW by politicians, hence i assume in reality it will be even worse than that worst case scenario there22:18
de-factothey are just not understanding it, at least not the jurists among them22:18
de-factosometimes i wish we had a government that requires a degree in math for any participant, i think we would live in a MUCH better world22:19
de-factonot because it would be required to understand such simple things, but because its a selection of minds deciding to enroll in such courses22:21
de-factoexample: if the Ministers would have always followed Merkels suggestions in questions of the pandemic we would not have such a problematic situation right now22:22
de-factobasically our government in Germany is completely unable to act right now22:22
de-factoits really sad to watch them all fighting in different directions while only one profits: the pathogen happily spread with all its broad variety of concerns, the result being a healthy virus population happily spreading on the cost of citizens health and life as well as astronomical economic costs, each day with R~1 and high incidence is IMMENSELY expensive in all resources22:27
de-factobut there is no consensus to have as common goal to get rid of the problem (hence R<1), they are talking about stabilizing at certain constant incidence (e.g. weekly 100/100k) which of course prolongs it indefinitely22:28
de-factothat is the very worst of all scenarios, ensuring restrictions will stay forever, it leads to bleeding out the economy, from the smallest to the biggest22:30
de-factoMerkel tried to use eastern for doing a super strict but short lockdown, just to get the most effect out of the least cost (from restricitons), but it seems she was made to apologize publicly for such an attempt that might have demonstrated the potential success of such a strategy22:32
de-factotwo days, just two additional days of closing everything to break contacts and infection chains, but it was too much for economy, they made her say it was not doable because of legal reasons22:33
de-factoits so frustrating to watch that, Merkel knows exactly what to do, but the Ministers and the rest of the lobbyist infiltrated government just will block any effort to have a successful containment22:34
de-factothey agreed 6 weeks ago, SIX WEEKS, to implement emergency breaks at the crazy high weekly incidence of 100/100k (its already 3-fold of what was believed to be reasonable in terms of containment by tracing)22:36
de-factoand what happened? those that reached weekly 100/100k just increased the threshold to 200/100k22:37
de-factoavoiding containment for the majority is no containment at all22:37
de-factoMerkel now tries to force the Ministers of federal states to stick to their words with a national law for infection prevention, making them honor their agreements, but it seems that also is attacked22:38
de-factoimho it shows that the Ministers are completely corrupt, they cant be trusted with important things like implementing effective containment of pathogen or such, instead they try to compete against each others with opening and lowering restrictions, finding new creative reasoning why containment rules would not apply to their region etc22:40
de-facto(sorry for the rant, I am just REALLY frustrated with current management completely ignoring science for months, i stop now)22:42
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: An international team of researchers has found evidence suggesting that the P.1 coronavirus variant that was first seen in parts of Brazil may be up to twice as transmissible as prior strains → https://is.gd/MMdYXo22:42
CoronaBot/r/coronavirus: Marijuana NYC: Joints For Jabs to give free joints in Manhattan's Union Square to fully vaccinated New Yorkers (10180 votes) | https://pix11.com/news/local-news/manhattan/activists-giving-free-marijuana-joints-to-vaccinated-adults/ | https://redd.it/musi2f22:47
pigughsLjL: yes locked tweets23:27

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