| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Israel records no new daily COVID deaths for first time in 10 months (10020 votes) | https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reports-no-new-daily-covid-deaths-for-first-time-in-10-months/ | https://redd.it/mws1kq | 00:07 |
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| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: A CDC panel voted to resume J&J COVID-19 shots paused over rare clot concerns: The single-dose vaccine carries a low risk of rare blood clots in women under 50, but experts say its benefits outweigh that risk. → https://is.gd/psiMRG | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Hospital admissions due to COVID-19 in Scotland after one dose of vaccine: The BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine from Pfizer–BioNTech1 and the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine from Oxford–AstraZeneca2 were the first two products deployed in the UK's COVID-19 vaccination programme. In accordance with the strategy set by the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/v0DCeQ | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: The Indian corona variant B1617 has also been detected in Germany and Belgium → https://is.gd/u4qkWf | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +5412 cases (now 1.2 million), +32 deaths (now 23854) since 22 hours ago | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: 'Smell training' recommended for lost sense of smell: About one in five people say they still cannot smell properly eight weeks after a Covid infection. → https://is.gd/b5fPf5 | 01:20 |
| finely[m] | <LjL "finely: she does have some blood"> Not sure that would pick it up. It used to be a very rare condition, so it might not be something they routinely look for unless a doctor orders it. Best of luck. | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +7145 cases (now 1.4 million), +16 deaths (now 17109) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2719 cases (now 4.4 million), +29 deaths (now 127491) since 23 hours ago | 02:13 |
| LjL | finely[m], it wouldn't pick up "the whole thing", but i think it would pick up a low platelet count, which then would raise our antennas | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China says ready to support India, U.S. also in talks as lack of oxygen fuels COVID-19 crisis → https://is.gd/3kejNO | 02:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: As bodies pile up, India's leaders face rising public anger over second Covid-19 wave → https://is.gd/7BmJ37 | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel said probing link between Pfizer shot and heart problem in men under 30 → https://is.gd/9lInGo | 03:34 |
| LjL | oh nice, some Pfizer deaths to balance out the AZ ones | 03:44 |
| LjL | (just sarcastic, not actually happy about it) | 03:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @matthewherper: RT by @Dereklowe: Read @HelenBranswell’s updated story. https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/23/cdc-advisory-panel-backs-jjs-covid-19-vaccine-clearing-way-for-pause-to-be-lifted/ → https://is.gd/PlLGlJ | 03:45 |
| whytek | on nice, just some men under 30 | 03:46 |
| whytek | we have plenty of those. | 03:46 |
| whytek | and only 62 out of 5 million no prob. | 03:46 |
| LjL | “There is specific concern regarding the frequency of the occurrence observed in men under 30 in the days immediately after the second shot,” they wrote. “At this stage, according to initial findings that still need to be verified, there is an impression that the number (of cases) is higher than would be expected, especially for those under 30.” | 03:46 |
| LjL | The report found that of those who received the second dose, 1-in-100,000 had possible side effects of myocarditis; however, this number rose to 1-in-20,000 among those aged 16-30. | 03:46 |
| whytek | (also sarcastic, but a reference to people who call other people's death and health "insignificant") | 03:47 |
| LjL | that's just poor taste, although there is inevitably a risk/benefit assessment, few drugs have no risk | 03:48 |
| whytek | Yeah, I'm just exhausted with the vaccine story. | 03:49 |
| whytek | We should be working on a cure | 03:49 |
| whytek | not playing number games with people's lives | 03:49 |
| LjL | i doubt any cure would cure 100% of cases | 03:49 |
| whytek | I doubt it too but we would at least be caring for the sick, not telling them to FOAD | 03:49 |
| LjL | a vaccine with 95% efficacy has a much higher chance of "not playing number games" (or playing them with smaller numbers of deaths, rather) | 03:49 |
| LjL | agreed, a cure would be great | 03:50 |
| whytek | ok.. :) not going to get into it.. | 03:50 |
| LjL | but not as an alternative to vaccines | 03:50 |
| whytek | like i said, i'm exhausted. | 03:50 |
| whytek | well, I think it would be an alternative becuase vaccine tech is not up to the job. | 03:50 |
| whytek | but i know you'll disagree with that.. .so what's the point. forget I even said it | 03:50 |
| whytek | it's all about faith. | 03:50 |
| * LjL shrugs | 03:50 | |
| whytek | noone actually "knows" anything. | 03:50 |
| LjL | yes well the only think i know for sure is something exists on some level that is thinking my thoughts | 03:51 |
| LjL | other than that, everything is from some sort of indirect evidence | 03:51 |
| whytek | :) | 03:51 |
| LjL | and evidence that the mRNA vaccines are pretty damned effective seems better to me than evidence of a lot of other things | 03:51 |
| LjL | the efficacy may not last very long, that's one thing we don't know, for sure | 03:52 |
| LjL | side effects are also popping up, and while they are not insignificant, the significance of the infections they prevent is... significant... and some countries are showing that vaccinating pretty much the entire population is feasible. it may not be feasible for all countries, and if it isn't (or even if it is), mutations are a major unknown | 03:53 |
| LjL | but that looks to me like a fair few known things with, admittedly, major unknowns | 03:53 |
| LjL | a cure... i don't know if it hasn't been *sought* with as much impetus as vaccines. certainly, repurposing existing drugs seems to only have had modest results | 03:54 |
| LjL | finding new drugs may take a lot of time, but then producing them at scale would take even longer, so there would be a problem similar to that with vaccines. not *quantitatively* similar, because hopefully not everyone becomes sick at a time, while it would be ideal to vaccinate everyone as quickly as possible | 03:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pharmaceutical Industry Dispatches Army of Lobbyists to Block Generic Covid-19 Vaccines → https://is.gd/wbXYPN | 03:55 |
| LjL | but then a cure for only those people who become severely ill would, on the one hand, require less scale production, but on the other hand, it would mean allowing people to become severely ill in the first place, instead of treating them early - and if you do that, the chances that even after they're "cured" they'll have long lasting effects will probably be high | 03:56 |
| LjL | one thing that "expert TV doctors" in Italy are starting to say more and more often, as far as i can tell, is that simple home treatment with common medication may prevent a large number of severe diseases. i guess the reason they're repeating it a lot is that still too many GPs are "nowhere to be found" (not answering the phone) and people left at home to just hope they get better with barely any active treatment :\ | 03:57 |
| LjL | then again, they're TV doctors so it may be 95% bullshit, i dunno | 03:57 |
| LjL | but if some common drugs can massively lessen the chances of severe disease if given early, and that is not taken full advantage of, well, that'd definitely be an easy way to care for the sick that might not be done enough | 03:58 |
| whytek | On a more entertaining note: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3548874/ | 04:02 |
| whytek | movie about really long lockdowns written pre covid-19 | 04:02 |
| LjL | but... it says 2021? | 04:04 |
| whytek | written in 2019 | 04:05 |
| LjL | i see | 04:06 |
| LjL | i haven't even watched Contagion yet | 04:06 |
| whytek | sorry written in 2017 | 04:06 |
| whytek | filmed in 2019 | 04:06 |
| whytek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYiFShN8QMs | 04:06 |
| LjL | i started watching Virus (indian movie) but then my indian friend said we could watch it together but then he's never around to watch it so boo | 04:06 |
| LjL | COVID is probably going too badly right now in india for the thought of watching that movie to be attractive :( | 04:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +15659 cases (now 3.2 million) since 22 hours ago | 04:12 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Real World Effectiveness of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines against Hospitalizations and Deaths in the United States (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.21.21255873v1 | https://redd.it/mwshas | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Tokyo Olympics torch relay has first positive COVID-19 case → https://is.gd/RhL3UH | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Lifestyle: From Kashmir to Mumbai, battle against Covid is the positive trend on social media → https://is.gd/FIF817 | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +3581 cases (now 968107), +45 deaths (now 23954) since 23 hours ago | 06:03 |
| finely[m] | More behind the scenes of pharma maximising profit and death. | 06:27 |
| finely[m] | https://theintercept.com/2021/04/23/covid-vaccine-ip-waiver-lobbying/ | 06:27 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: FDA and CDC Lift Recommended Pause on Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) COVID-19 Vaccine Use Following Thorough Safety Review (81 votes) | https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-and-cdc-lift-recommended-pause-johnson-johnson-janssen-covid-19-vaccine-use-following-thorough | https://redd.it/mx7lxf | 06:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US ends Johnson & Johnson’s Covid vaccine pause; shots to resume immediately → https://is.gd/nX9Gnn | 06:29 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Previous COVID-19 infection but not Long-COVID is associated with increased adverse events following BNT162b2/Pfizer vaccination (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.21252192v1 | https://redd.it/mwmqq0 | 06:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +49523 cases (now 5.5 million), +474 deaths (now 102576) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +17815 cases (now 3.2 million), +178 deaths (now 81505) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6945 cases (now 1.5 million), +13 deaths (now 17117) since 23 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +2304 cases (now 791137), +57 deaths (now 32569) since 23 hours ago | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: As India's COVID-19 Crisis Deepens, Modi Fails to Lead → https://is.gd/Dxct2N | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid cases and deaths in India could peak by mid-May at over 800,000 and 5,000 per day respectively: US study → https://is.gd/ClilCy | 07:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: People dying on pavement as coronavirus crisis stretches India's healthcare system to limit → https://is.gd/QJkqst | 08:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | April 24, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/u6n04h | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India witnesses record 3,46,786 Covid-19 cases, 2,624 deaths in a day → https://is.gd/qpW4TB | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: USA defends ban on export of raw materials of vaccines to India, despite severe health infrastructure collapse in the latter → https://is.gd/LI11qT | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Nepal becomes first country in Asia Pacific to vaccinate refugees against COVID-19 → https://is.gd/PV4rFv | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: US ends Johnson & Johnson vaccine pause: The Food and Drug Administration has amended the emergency use authorization for the vaccine to include mention of the clotting issue. → https://is.gd/7AhKkq | 10:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Majority of COVID recovery funds in developing countries, including India, went to big corporations: Report → https://is.gd/8PSqvH | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lakshadweep, India: +134 cases (now 1805) since a day ago | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Does Covid vaccine affect your period? Here’s what you need to know → https://is.gd/vCni5o | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Texas A&M researchers identify new ‘longer-lasting’ COVID-19 variant in student → https://is.gd/RTCLKH | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Anguilla: +29 cases (now 58) since a day ago | 11:39 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: CDC panel recommends using J&J Covid vaccine without restrictions, saying benefits outweigh risks (10006 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/23/jj-covid-vaccine-cdc-panel-recommends-resuming-use-of-jj-vaccine-.html | https://redd.it/mx4uh9 | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pressure mounts on Biden admin to ship AstraZeneca vaccine, other medical supplies to India → https://is.gd/uS44Fr | 11:46 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: 76° Anniversario della Liberazione, agenda del Presidente Draghi ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/76-anniversario-della-liberazione-agenda-del-presidente-draghi/16711 ) | 11:59 | |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New chip could detect COVID-19 cases with 99.9% accuracy → https://is.gd/mVtW0G | 12:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: UK researchers will deliberately reinfect people with COVID-19 in new 'challenge study' → https://is.gd/S8l6PX | 12:17 |
| de-facto[m] | .title https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto[m]: From en.m.wikipedia.org: Original antigenic sin - Wikipedia | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19: Study finds mother-to-baby infection rate low, indirect risk exists → https://is.gd/ohmsqm | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Germany pulls virus 'emergency brake' but not all on board: Chancellor Angela Merkel on Saturday defended a fiercely-opposed new law imposing tough coronavirus restrictions across Germany including night curfews and school closures. → https://is.gd/tNEUAR | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: India virus patients suffocate from low oxygen amid surge: Authorities scrambled anew Saturday to supply medical oxygen to Indian hospitals where COVID-19 patients were suffocating amid low supplies as the country with the world's worst coronavirus surge set a new global daily record of infections for the third straight day. → https://is.gd/fvNWZT | 12:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Super Nintendo World in Osaka closes after COVID case surge in Japan → https://is.gd/EoMlle | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: COVID-19 second wave: Experts suggest ways to take care of your mental health → https://is.gd/0c5m7Z | 13:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 23 aprile 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19 nelle Regioni Abruzzo,Campania, Emilia-Romagna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Lazio, Liguria,Lombardia, Marche, Molise, Piemonte, Toscana, Umbria, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tpOHqj | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +88 cases (now 247) since 16 hours ago | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +178 deaths (now 81508) since 23 hours ago — New Zealand: +1 cases (now 2601) since a day ago | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 747: COVID-19 clinical update #59 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: Daniel Griffin discusses a front-line health care worker survey, pre-exposure seropositivity and subsequent infection in healthy young adults, fitted filtration efficiency of double masking, BinaxNow rapid in-home antigen test, postvaccination infections in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KpA6HF | 15:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Health Ministry issues guidelines for management of adult COVID-19 patients → https://is.gd/aJJUmV | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: World's 'most mutated' Covid strain with 34 genetic alterations is found in Angola in travellers from Tanzania → https://is.gd/l18vIJ | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Iran bans flights from India and Pakistan over latest COVID-19 surge → https://is.gd/PGqT6w | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: Honoured to have been featured on @ZDF last night! You can watch the clip here (German), with some fantastic phylogeny-projection shots! #WomenInSTEM #SARSCoV2 → https://is.gd/uHBYzG | 16:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Out of the cave: French isolation study ends after 40 days → https://is.gd/7mwKO7 | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10567) since 19 hours ago | 17:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US working closely with India to identify ways to help address COVID-19 crisis: American officials → https://is.gd/GUn0VD | 17:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +43 deaths (now 23885) since 23 hours ago | 18:10 |
| LjL | do you know what the various "raw materials" for vaccines that the US probably aren't exporting much of anywhere, and that seem to be behind the back-and-forth export blockade threats from the EU to the UK, are exactly? who produces what? | 18:30 |
| LjL | apparently Merkel is sending veiled threats against India according to https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-defends-curbs-on-vaccine-raw-material-exports-angela-merkel-targets-indian-pharma-101619206077962.html and i'm not quite sure why anyone would expect India to export vaccines right now given the pretty desperate state they seem to be in. how does Merkel think we "allowed India to become such a large pharmaceutical producer in the first place" | 18:31 |
| LjL | (which she now says "we will have to rethink")? is it because of some raw materials again? | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Man arrested after infecting 22 people in Majorca → https://is.gd/Coofb2 | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +13814 cases (now 3.9 million), +322 deaths (now 119021) since 23 hours ago | 18:41 |
| oxek | LjL: how did things go with your mother? | 18:53 |
| LjL | oxek, she still has intermittent vertigo, apparently not quite as bad as yesterday but similar... she wanted to book a vestibular exam of some sort but then she cancelled it, she was confused earlier today. anyway i presume if it were vaccine-related blood clotting, it would be deteriorating perhaps sharply, not getting better | 18:55 |
| oxek | yeah, the quick deterioration would be key, as far as I understand it | 18:56 |
| oxek | still definitely not something to ignore, it just likely is completely unrelated to the vaccine | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pakistan Calls in Army to Help Contain COVID-19 Spread → https://is.gd/nXJIQ2 | 19:10 |
| LjL | oxek, anyway, thanks for asking, i'll keep up updated if anything changes | 19:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India orders Twitter to take down tweets critical of its coronavirus handling → https://is.gd/6ufyfy | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +149 deaths (now 81573) since 23 hours ago | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India sets Covid-19 infection record for third straight day → https://is.gd/3RUjVi | 20:01 |
| LjL | did anyone here have this vaccine on the radar? https://valneva.com/research-development/covid-19-vla2001/ https://covidvax.org/covid19-vaccine/ValnevaDynavax/Inactivated-Valneva-Dynavax (says phase 3 started even though covidvax doesn't) | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cambodia: +511 cases (now 9359), +10 deaths (now 71) since a day ago | 20:39 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Change Precision Vaccinations link to archive.org as original has gon… ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/5db08b7e8602f2497694885714bc0db47bfe5e1d ) | 20:40 | |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Interim findings from first-dose mass COVID-19 vaccination roll-out and COVID-19 hospital admissions in Scotland: a national prospective cohort study (82 votes) | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00677-2/fulltext | https://redd.it/mxm26b | 20:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Change Precision Vaccinations link to archive.org as original has gon… → https://is.gd/G1qOA5 | 20:52 |
| LjL | i guess this is version 2.0 of the Scotland study that was already one of the most comprehensive a while ago. the numbers look a fair bit higher than the UK/England(?) study (which i don't have open, need to find it again).iirc it said about 65% after first dose with both BNT and AZ, they also had >90% data with BNT after second dose, but not enough data to evaluate that for AZ... but this one says 88% AZ and 91% BNT after one shot, so they could have | 20:55 |
| LjL | been looking at different specific time periods, must look more carefully | 20:55 |
| pwr22 | LjL: we have crazy protesters in the UK today | 21:02 |
| pwr22 | I hate this part of my country so damn much | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Twitter censored tweets critical of India’s handling of the pandemic at its government’s request → https://is.gd/v4vXfy | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India orders Twitter to take down tweets critical of its coronavirus handling - New Delhi made an emergency order to Twitter to censor tweets in the country, Twitter disclosed on Lumen database, a Harvard University project. The social network has complied with the request. → https://is.gd/ZsH033 | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +32538 cases (now 5.5 million), +256 deaths (now 102694) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +133 deaths (now 81582) since 23 hours ago | 21:47 |
| LjL | uhm, recently something was announced from the UK or perhaps specifically England, i'm not sure, about statistics on nearly 400k people with efficacy numbers of vaccination after the first shot (BNT and AZ) and also the second for BNT | 21:47 |
| LjL | i cannot find it again though, anybody have it handy? | 21:48 |
| pwr22 | I think I posted it recently | 21:48 |
| pwr22 | So maybe look for posts by me? replied to by me? | 21:48 |
| LjL | oh let me see | 21:49 |
| LjL-Matrix | Bleh Element is dumb. Whether I search for Peter or pwr22, either way I get only very partial results. Will look at IRC logs instead | 21:51 |
| LjL-Matrix | hmm looks like you didn't post many links lately, something from the BBC about mutations on april 21, and the previous one was april 11. unless time runs much faster than it feels to me (which it may) this was something quite recent | 21:53 |
| pwr22 | Ah | 21:56 |
| pwr22 | https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1068 | 21:57 |
| pwr22 | Was this the one LjL ? | 21:57 |
| LjL-Matrix | Peter: yes! it only rings a partial bell, maybe I read it from a different source, but too many things match up for it to be a different thing. my brain is just leaky i guess. also i had this 65% number in mind as if it was the efficacy after the first shot, but it isn't, it is something else. | 22:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | "Not enough people had yet received two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine to assess this." is what makes me certain it's the same study :P | 22:01 |
| pwr22 | Apr 24 19:47:26 servtop-1 6311a9d51e89[1002]: <<< 535-5.7.8 Username and Password not accepted. Learn more at | 22:01 |
| pwr22 | Apr 24 19:47:26 servtop-1 6311a9d51e89[1002]: <<< 535 5.7.8 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials x2sm14580340wrg.31 - gsmtp | 22:01 |
| pwr22 | Oops wrong chat 😀 | 22:01 |
| LjL-Matrix | Actually is it effectiveness? I may be dumb, the way it's worded makes me unsure whether those percentages represent effectiveness or something different | 22:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | Also, given the data I reconstructed the part of the logs where I saw the one I originally saw: it was on https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56844220 and I hadn't read the actual study so that's why bell onlt rang partially | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canadian man in his 60s hospitalized after rare blood clotting from AstraZeneca vaccine → https://is.gd/LzBhCw | 22:04 |
| Arsanerit | Are they going to report every single case of severe side effects now? | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: India virus surge drives record global daily cases: The world hit a new daily record of coronavirus cases due mainly to an explosion of the virus in India, but COVID jabs also approached one billion globally on Saturday, offering hope after months of pandemic misery. → https://is.gd/dUQRGp | 22:46 |
| oxek | Arsanerit: in a way, reporting on every single case can be beneficial, because it really demonstrates how rare it is | 22:47 |
| oxek | out of 1B vaccinations, we only have these few? | 22:47 |
| oxek | it almost makes it look like news sites are struggling to find bad side effects | 22:48 |
| Arsanerit | oxek: Unfortunately, that's not how human perception of risk works, I think. | 22:48 |
| Arsanerit | The risk of life-changing injury or death in traffic in a western country is, what? 1 in 1000 per year? More? | 22:49 |
| oxek | so a case of 'Smoking causes cancer? Isn't gonna happen to me', while at the same time "I'd like to buy a lottery ticket, you never know, I might win" | 22:53 |
| oxek | humans are the worst | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India requests Twitter remove tweets critical of the government's handling of Covid-19 → https://is.gd/t4pJgw | 22:56 |
| Arsanerit | oxek: or driving 200 km/h | 23:10 |
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