| de-facto | that probably is not even possible because for some groups the vaccines are not approved yet (e.g. children etc) | 00:00 |
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| Arsanerit | Goodnight | 00:00 |
| de-facto | Gn8 | 00:00 |
| de-facto | Imho the only goal that makes sense is to stop new infections, since EVERYTHING else is a consequence of the infection | 00:01 |
| de-facto | if anything that happens after infection is targeted by measures it only will mitigate the symptoms but not address the cause | 00:02 |
| spunk | %cases germany | 00:04 |
| Brainstorm | spunk: In Germany, there have been 3.3 million confirmed cases (3.9% of the population) and 81649 deaths (2.5% of cases) as of an hour ago. 54.1 million tests were performed (6.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 00:04 |
| de-facto | imho vaccinations only help with lowering the probability of infection, hence they can be only one among many measures aiming at preventing new infections, but vaccinations can not be the only "ultimate solution" | 00:04 |
| spunk | I already know 4 poeple that died caused by covid. I am fucking scared off this shit! And this fucking "Querdenker" really makes me fucking angry!!! | 00:10 |
| de-facto | me too, i am seriously embarrassed that Querdenker are tolerated in our society | 00:11 |
| spunk | sometimes I wish I would live in china, where idiots like this get locked straight away | 00:12 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/ZGyMXDd https://i.imgur.com/CPf0zjx.png source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Projekte_RKI/Nowcasting.html | 00:21 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: Cases and Reproduction - Album on Imgur | 00:21 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/GZ4foIH https://i.imgur.com/ms4WLV5.png source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Projekte_RKI/Nowcasting.html | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany zoomed: Cases and Reproduction - Album on Imgur | 00:22 |
| de-facto | exactly as predicted by extrapolations, hence obviously noone cares about doing enough to prevent the predictions from becoming reality. | 00:23 |
| rpifan | i hate that are now in ausgangsperre mode | 00:35 |
| rpifan | im about to turn querdenekr myself at this rate | 00:35 |
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| de-facto | we should have curfews that affect the majority of people, hence start early at the evening such as 19:00 till 05:00 or such | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. Pledges Medical Aid To India, Where COVID-19 Is Overwhelming Hospitals → https://is.gd/jsjUQ3 | 00:38 |
| de-facto | targeting minority of people obviously does not make much sense if the pathogen is spread over the majority of people | 00:38 |
| oxek | if we had a 2 week long curfew, we would get rid of covid in 2 weeks... | 00:39 |
| oxek | should have done that over a year ago | 00:39 |
| de-facto | exactly that would be the most efficient way opposed to doing barely enough to ensure R~1 and calling that "lockdown" | 00:40 |
| de-facto | yet obviously its not the goal to get rid of the virus, the current goal is to ensure it stays present (with making openings mandatory below a certain incidence >> 0) | 00:41 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: UK to send ventilators to India as country faces oxygen crisis amid record COVID surge (10128 votes) | https://news.sky.com/story/uk-to-send-ventilators-to-india-as-country-faces-oxygen-crisis-amid-record-covid-surge-12286883 | https://redd.it/my9xw6 | 00:45 |
| rpifan | i really dont see what this night time curfew will do | 00:47 |
| rpifan | its so pointless | 00:47 |
| rpifan | im honestly surprised berlin allowed it | 00:47 |
| oxek | I would have still preferred eradication | 00:47 |
| oxek | hopefully we'll eradicate influenza B | 00:48 |
| rpifan | well its all sorta pointless | 00:48 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/5jFjz8f https://i.imgur.com/p1Aqj5e.png source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Projekte_RKI/Nowcasting.html and https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: ICU beds, Cases, Reproduction - Album on Imgur | 00:49 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/TSSDX0h https://i.imgur.com/Bc2zMrT.png source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Projekte_RKI/Nowcasting.html and https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany zoomed: ICU beds, Cases, Reproduction - Album on Imgur | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany zoomed: ICU beds, Cases, Reproduction - Album on Imgur | 00:53 |
| de-facto | with the delay of 2-3 weeks from measures being implemented to hospitals seeing effects on ICU beds we really should stop this harmful trend right now | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India sets Covid-19 infection record for fourth straight day → https://is.gd/Gwj8Ow | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Over one-third of COVID-19 cases among Canadian children are asymptomatic according to University of Guelph study of over 220,000 positive cases → https://is.gd/TVY42m | 01:09 |
| de-facto | India will continue to set records in infection with R~1.3 they will *double* daily new infections every 2 weeks | 01:13 |
| de-facto | and with hospitals being full to overfull fatal outcomes will not only be a certain percentage of daily new infections, their portion will *rise* due to people not receiving the medical treatment they require for recovering | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. to give India raw materials for vaccines, medical supplies to help fight Covid surge. Kodak → https://is.gd/F431Zo | 01:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India asks Twitter to take down tweets critical of COVID handling → https://is.gd/8IcoYm | 01:29 |
| de-facto | how about taking the hint and handling it properly instead? | 01:30 |
| de-facto | do they really believe they can hide that disaster? | 01:31 |
| RioGrande | sure, it's the Modi gov | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Biden says US set on helping India with pandemic. In a tweet Sunday, Biden said, “Just as India sent assistance to the United States as our hospitals were strained early in the pandemic, we are determined to help India in its time of need.” → https://is.gd/TIN6Vr | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: European Union will let vaccinated Americans visit this summer - official → https://is.gd/HTFAXe | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +28551 cases (now 5.5 million), +152 deaths (now 102865) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +15146 cases (now 3.3 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6056 cases (now 1.5 million), +14 deaths (now 17138) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1907 cases (now 4.4 million), +21 deaths (now 127549) since 23 hours ago | 02:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Boris Johnson: 'Let the bodies pile high in their thousands'. PM's incendiary remark during fight over lockdowns is latest claim in No10 drama - amid spectacular row with Cummings → https://is.gd/5F644d | 02:39 |
| RioGrande | they love him for it | 02:42 |
| de-facto | .title https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3830681 and https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/r21-matrix-m-malaria-vaccine | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From papers.ssrn.com: High Efficacy of a Low Dose Candidate Malaria Vaccine, R21 in 1 Adjuvant Matrix-M™, with Seasonal Administration to Children in Burkina Faso by Mehreen S. Datoo, Hamtandi Magloire Natama, Athanase [...] | 03:06 |
| de-facto | "Vaccine efficacy (VE) was 74% (95% CI, 63-82) and 77% (95% CI, 67-84) in the low- and high-dose adjuvant groups, respectively. At 1 year, VE remained high at 77% (95% CI, 67-84) in the high-dose adjuvant group. Participants vaccinated with R21/MM showed high titres of malaria-specific anti-NANP antibodies 28 days after the third vaccination, which were almost doubled with the higher adjuvant dose. " | 03:06 |
| de-facto | i know not COVID but still amazing news :) | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Military expenditure worldwide rose to nearly $2 trillion in 2020, defying the economic impact of the Covid-19 pandemic. Global military spending increased by 2.6 percent to $1,981 billion (about 1,650 billion euros) in 2020, when global GDP shrank 4.4 percent, → https://is.gd/0Ft67O | 03:10 |
| ryouma | i hafve had a completely baseless suspicion that there is going to be large scale violence of some type | 03:13 |
| ryouma | but if militaries are not vaccinated, that sounds like a train wreck | 03:13 |
| ryouma | but not just war though :( | 03:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Joe Biden, Kamala Harris assure India of support in fight against COVID-19 → https://is.gd/Pkn1gF | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus missteps reveal Boris Johnson’s optimism addiction: Coronavirus has not paid much attention to the UK prime minister's determination to hope for the best. → https://is.gd/X4cH41 | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germany will send oxygen, medical aid to India to help in COVID crisis → https://is.gd/kyeMKu | 04:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +18348 cases (now 5.5 million), +108 deaths (now 102901) since 21 hours ago — Germany: +14175 cases (now 3.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +4018 cases (now 1.5 million), +6 deaths (now 17141) since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1289 cases (now 4.4 million), +8 deaths (now 127552) since 21 hours ago | 04:45 |
| finely[m] | <de-facto "we really have to stop bruteforc"> The history of disease eradication efforts suggests this will be extraordinary hard. | 04:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pakistan Offers Ventilators, Medical Equipment to India During COVID-19 Crisis → https://is.gd/V6XZDN | 05:02 |
| finely[m] | <oxek "if we had a 2 week long curfew, "> Nope, it would still be spreading amongst members of the same household. Contact tracing, testing and precautionary isolation of close contacts of the infected are need. But contact tracing is very quickly overwhelmed and ineffective with large numbers if infected people. | 05:05 |
| oxek | finely[m]: then make it 2 weeks for people living alone, and 4 weeks for people in household | 05:06 |
| finely[m] | That sound like a good idea to me, but unfortunately we are not in charge. | 05:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: MIT researchers say you’re no safer from Covid indoors at 6 feet or 60 feet in new study challenging social distancing policies → https://is.gd/XiHwe9 | 05:11 |
| finely[m] | And remember a small minority of people have symptoms and become infectious after 14 days. The lockdowns we do have will select for mutations that cause the virus to become infectious at longer time frames than that too. | 05:13 |
| ryouma | i a concerned about the idea of a variant reinfecting. t hiis suggests that we possibly cannot rely on natural herd immunity to supplement artificial herd immunity. which can be an issue in places where vaccines are not popular or avail. | 05:16 |
| ryouma | is this a valid concern? | 05:16 |
| ryouma | india as a whole is just a little worse than usa. i presume the slope is bad? | 05:21 |
| ryouma | and the infrastructure and vaccination are major concerns? | 05:22 |
| RioGrande | yes, and yes | 05:23 |
| LjL | i'd say variants reinfecting, or infecting vaccinated people, is currently THE concern for the middle term | 05:42 |
| LjL | the concern for the short term is to bring oxygen to india ;( | 05:42 |
| ryouma | the geniuses on lesswrong debating whether long covid exists etc. for crying out loud. | 05:43 |
| ryouma | so much for that channel | 05:44 |
| finely[m] | Noboby is safe until everyone is safe. And global vaccination coverage will require a suspension of vaccine technology patents and sharing of knowledge about how to produce these vaccines. And possibly governments taking over significant parts of the private economy to produce the glass vials, freezers, syringes etc we need to make 6-12 billion doses a year. | 05:44 |
| ryouma | they keep talking about bottles. do they not use conentrators and if so is that due to power issues? | 05:45 |
| LjL | ryouma, there are also efforts to buy concentrators afiak | 05:46 |
| LjL | afaik* | 05:46 |
| ryouma | i fear if i get mine fixed someplace they will commandeer it | 05:47 |
| ryouma | or its parts will not be there | 05:47 |
| LjL | i know of this relatively small thing https://www.ketto.org/fundraiser/mission-oxygen-helping-hospitals-to-save-lives | 05:48 |
| LjL | i'm not sure you can donate from abroad though | 05:48 |
| LjL | well, i'm sure now, you can't :( | 05:49 |
| LjL | %tell Blankspace: since you were wondering what you could do, maybe https://www.ketto.org/fundraiser/mission-oxygen-helping-hospitals-to-save-lives will help. can't donate from abroad though | 05:50 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, I'll pass BlankSpace aka Blankspace_ your message when they are around. | 05:50 |
| ryouma | are there enormous outbreaks in places we don't know about becasue there is not enough testing? | 05:50 |
| LjL | not sure... i suspect if they were enormous, we'd get to know anyway | 05:51 |
| LjL | but "big" ones that are largely going unnoticed by us? maybe | 05:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fiji capital in lockdown after 'superspreader' funeral leaves 500 exposed to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/tVdkfR | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +2377 cases (now 974418), +34 deaths (now 24024) since a day ago | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: Women with gynecologic cancer and low income report increased financial stress and anxiety during COVID-19 pandemic: A recent study provides insights on the COVID-19 pandemic's effects on employment, anxiety, and financial distress among women with gynecologic cancer and low income. The findings are published early online in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FIpThv | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: India Covid: Patients struggle at home as hospitals choke: India's Covid sick struggle to get treatment at home due to black marketing of oxygen and drugs. → https://is.gd/e9FGQq | 06:34 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alters barrier function in 2D static and 3D microfluidic in-vitro models of the human blood–brain barrier (82 votes) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7547916/ | https://redd.it/myhn4t | 06:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Harris to tell UN body it's time to prep for next pandemic → https://is.gd/hvKlLe | 07:04 |
| ryouma | what is the reasoning behind the well being of women part? | 07:07 |
| ryouma | the othe3r part i don't get is this: “The takeaway from this past year is clear: The world barely withstood this pandemic,” Thomas-Greenfield says in excerpts of her prepared remarks. “We must be ready for the next.” | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘The poor won’t survive’: Lockdown hits Phnom Penh’s hand-to-mouth workers → https://is.gd/l9uB73 | 07:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A study of more than 2,100 pregnant women across 18 countries worldwide has revealed that COVID-19 is associated with a higher risk of severe maternal and newborn complications than previously recognised. → https://is.gd/Kqjd9z | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +24465 cases (now 5.5 million), +123 deaths (now 102938) since 10 hours ago — Netherlands: +4019 cases (now 1.5 million), +6 deaths (now 17144) since 5 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +1967 cases (now 795417), +39 deaths (now 32657) since a day ago — Canada: +6266 cases (now 1.2 million) since 13 hours ago | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Harris to tell UN body it’s time to prep for next pandemic → https://is.gd/jNm9wx | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Man Arrested For Allegedly Infecting 22 People With Covid-19 Coronavirus → https://is.gd/HUKIsB | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: Alber Elbaz, who designed Meryl Streep’s Oscars dress, dies from COVID-19 → https://is.gd/q2RVhH | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Journalist in India lacked paperwork due to which he was denied medical care, died after live-tweeting his Covid-19 symptoms asking for help → https://is.gd/OjIifI | 08:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: To unblind or not to unblind? That is the question about clinical trials of COVID-19 vaccines: Antivaccine alternative health tycoon Joe Mercola claims that the unblinding of participants in the clinical trials of Moderna and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines was intended to "blow up the trials" and undermine the science, making [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ADnbg4 | 09:06 |
| ryouma | didn't read and i am no fan of mercola but what is the requirement to be a tycoon? i assume etymology from chinese tai=big. | 09:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Landmarks across UAE lit up with tricolour to support India’s COVID-19 battle → https://is.gd/UGWuy4 | 09:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Airfares soar, private jets in demand as rich Indians flee Covid → https://is.gd/rbSzpw | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: Getting closer together – one vaccination at a time: The past year has been dominated by the COVID-19 pandemic, which has brought tragedy, suffering and frustration to so many, and which will leave its mark on our society for many years to come. To help us put this pandemic behind us, we have our hopes firmly pinned on the new [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vdc6FE | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: As usual, fantastic reporting by @mjKolly & @RepublikMagazin - looking at the current #SARSCoV2 situation in Switzerland 🇨🇭 - where are we now, & where are we going? With excellent graphs & explanations."Now is not the time to give up"https://www.republik.ch/2021/04/26/ist-es-diesmal-anders-ein-wellenvergleich → https://is.gd/gYCBgh | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lakshadweep, India: +164 cases (now 2126) since 23 hours ago | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China’s state-run airline suspends cargo flights rushing COVID-19 medical supplies to India → https://is.gd/k8KMSu | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID food pantry operators draw accusations of communism in the Philippines → https://is.gd/Fh46GH | 11:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19 cases in India underreported by over 20 million, study says → https://is.gd/6p6rQp | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: European Immunization Week 2021: Celebrating the past, present and future benefits of vaccines: This past, difficult year of the COVID-19 pandemic has made clear how vulnerable we all are to a deadly new disease, when we don’t have the right vaccines or medical technologies we normally use to fight back. → https://is.gd/4lGK28 | 12:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: US authorises Johnson & Johnson vaccine again, ending pause in rollout: The US Food and Drug Administration approved the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) single dose covid-19 vaccine on 23 April after a cautionary 10 day pause to consider the risk of blood clots.Administration of... → https://is.gd/zywUyJ | 12:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Nobilis IB 4-91, live attenuated vaccine against avian infectious bronchitis, Date of authorisation: 09/06/1998, Revision: 15, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/JI0TzJ | 12:51 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Highly-transmissible Variants of SARS-CoV-2 May Be More Susceptible to Drug Therapy Than Wild Type Strains (84 votes) | https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-379291/v1 | https://redd.it/myqthh | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +113 cases (now 436) since 23 hours ago | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Commission announces lawsuits against AstraZeneca for vaccine shortages → https://is.gd/qGinmT | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: UK launches antivirals taskforce to deliver home treatments by autumn: The UK government has launched an Antivirals Taskforce to identify treatments to be used at home by people who test positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection, to stop the virus spreading and speed up... → https://is.gd/8CZ4QI | 14:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Vaccine apartheid’: US under fire for sitting on stockpile while developing nations face deadly shortage → https://is.gd/2kiwVr | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Vaccinated U.S. Travelers Will Be Allowed To Visit Europe Again Starting This Summer: The European Commission president says she expects all 27 EU member states will accept visitors who've received COVID-19 vaccines, but the CDC is still warning against travel to much of Europe. → https://is.gd/xciWV5 | 15:26 |
| drewskiwooskie[m | -+ | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5313 cases (now 651822) since 19 hours ago | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Emergent CEO sold stock before vaccine contamination was reported; Biden urged to support WTO proposal → https://is.gd/Gcmk7d | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Asia: ‘I have never seen so many patients die.’ India plunges into coronavirus crisis → https://is.gd/y1RHoe | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: (news): EMA and ECDC join forces for enhanced post-marketing monitoring of COVID-19 vaccines in Europe, , 26/04/2021 → https://is.gd/EiwUCu | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Saudi Arabia sends oxygen to India amid hospital shortage, surge in COVID-19 cases → https://is.gd/ac4iQd | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Countries rally to support India through “storm that has shaken the nation”: Countries around the world have pledged to help India as the country continues to see an exponential rise in covid-19 cases and deaths, with hospitals running out of oxygen, drugs, and beds.India... → https://is.gd/REmSVw | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada Store Bans Vaccinated Patrons Due To False Notion Of Viral Shedding → https://is.gd/LbPc85 | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Trevor Bedford: @trvrb: R to @trvrb: This is consistent with what's been seen in the UK and in Europe and supports a transmission advantage of B.1.1.7. Thus we see that the same conditions that can lead to control of older non-B.1.1.7 viruses and Rt < 1, can still result in growth of B.1.1.7 and Rt > 1. 9/10 → https://is.gd/bwMxuK | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): First-in-Human Study of Orally Administered GS-441524 → https://is.gd/DQi0fI | 17:11 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Pissed Off Dr. Fauci Cites ‘567,000 Dead Americans’ to Respond to Ron Johnson Questioning Vaccine Push (10113 votes) | https://www.mediaite.com/tv/dr-fauci-responds-to-ron-johnson-questioning-vaccine-push-567000-people-have-died/ | https://redd.it/myuich | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +56 deaths (now 81697) since 20 hours ago | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: COVID Can Be Passed to Your Cat: Using in-depth genetic analyses, a new investigation in the United Kingdom suggests that people can pass COVID-19 on to their cats. → https://is.gd/KkgzDR | 17:43 |
| LjL | Genetic analysis? We know this by the fact it has happened... multiple times (probably LOTS of times, but multiple verified times) | 17:56 |
| pwr22 | Wonder how India is doing today? | 17:59 |
| pwr22 | Not good it seems, 350k new cases a day | 18:01 |
| pwr22 | That's insane | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fiji: +12 cases (now 103) since a day ago | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: COVID-19 vaccine-themed dessert is the latest pandemic trend → https://is.gd/mFgGwh | 18:14 |
| de-facto | If India will remain at a reproduction number R(5.2d) ~ 1.3 it means doubling each t2 = 5.2d Ln(2) / Ln(1.3) ~ 14 days | 18:16 |
| de-facto | hence if todays new infections were 350k it would be 700k in two weeks 1.4M in a month, 2.8M in 6 weeks, etc | 18:17 |
| LjL | I hope it's just Reddit misrepresenting them, but I'm increasingly finding Americans posting in it disgusting | 18:18 |
| LjL | Just look at most of the comments and the general direction of votes, even though the post has even been removed because it's an "opinion" https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/mywxf0/vaccine_apartheid_us_under_fire_for_sitting_on/ | 18:19 |
| de-facto | so lets hope India can enforce R<1 somehow because like exponential growth increases there also is exponential decline, e.g. daily new infections could be half each 14 days for R(5.2d) = Exp[Ln(1/2) 5.2d / 14d] ~ 0.773 | 18:22 |
| de-facto | hence if now 350k it would be 175k in two weeks, 87.5k in a month, 43.75k in 6 weeks, etc | 18:23 |
| LjL | de-facto: I'm afraid the current exponential growth, scary as it looks, mostly just represents increases in testing. Consider that technically, they still have a much lower proportion of people infected than most of Europe. But the reality I hear from people is way different. | 18:23 |
| de-facto | i am not so sure about that, because almost every curve looks like an exponential growth right now | 18:24 |
| LjL | I'm convinced this is by *far* the worst outbreak explosion any country has had so far | 18:24 |
| de-facto | which makes sense because all the derivatives of an exponential are exponentials themselves | 18:25 |
| de-facto | example: go to https://www.covid19india.org/ and click on "daily" for India | 18:25 |
| de-facto | even the testing positivity rate is an exponential | 18:26 |
| de-facto | as are fatal outcomes etc | 18:26 |
| de-facto | measured on the whole population of India its still not that much, but its dynamics are scary | 18:28 |
| de-facto | and obviously they are on the threshold of resources already in some regions, e.g. running out of ICU beds, meds, oxygen, personnel etc | 18:29 |
| LjL | de-facto: well if positivity rate is an exponential, that's always been taken here as an indicator that testing is way insufficient | 18:29 |
| de-facto | yes | 18:35 |
| de-facto | afaik in several places in the US the indicator for closing down is some threshold in the positivity rate | 18:35 |
| de-facto | not sure if that still is the case | 18:36 |
| LjL | "None of the vaccines have been approved by the FDA. If you are referring to the EUA, you can bet that’s coming soon. It would be unethical to send this stockpile off to third world country when we haven’t even deemed it safe for an EUA." | 18:37 |
| LjL | (Referring to the AZ stockpile) | 18:37 |
| LjL | Nice flawless american thinking | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +8440 cases (now 4.0 million), +301 deaths (now 119539) since a day ago — Canada: +6196 cases (now 1.2 million), +36 deaths (now 23970) since 23 hours ago | 18:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Chemjobber: RT by @Dereklowe: so vaccine filters (as reported in The Hindu) seems to be the major issue, as opposed to "raw materials"* ht @jfreebo → https://is.gd/gbHylt | 18:47 |
| de-facto | at least in Italy cases are coming down | 18:52 |
| de-facto | LjL, did Draghi lift restrictions today? | 18:53 |
| LjL | de-facto: he didn't do it today but yes, restrictions are being eased in most regions starting today. Lombardy goes from orange to yellow, and most regions are yellow, no red except Sardinia, and some orange in the south | 18:55 |
| de-facto | imho that would be too early | 18:55 |
| LjL | Yet the cases are only coming down slowly and unconvincingly | 18:55 |
| LjL | Our spike hasn't been huge, but it's not going down hugely either | 18:55 |
| LjL | Sardinia was the only "white" region until a month or so ago, meaning almost no restrictions... Then they had to move straight to red | 18:56 |
| LjL | If that doesn't teach a less I don't know what will | 18:56 |
| de-facto | its very good that new infections are declining, so that trend must be continued towards reducing the problem to some size that is controllable more easy (e.g. where portions of contributions from unknown origin are less) | 18:56 |
| LjL | Lesson* | 18:56 |
| LjL | de-facto: nobody is even talking about contact tracing anymore | 18:56 |
| de-facto | do they have some strategy to replace the currently in place restrictions with some more targeted containment to keep the reproduction on R<1 decline? | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Lost in Translation: Language Barriers Hinder Vaccine Access: Millions of people have been left out of the massive COVID-19 vaccine rollout because of a lack of support for non-English speakers. → https://is.gd/LsRtI5 | 18:58 |
| LjL | No. More targeted (as in more localized) restrictions are legally possible but they're already been for a while, nothing new on that front. | 18:58 |
| de-facto | i mean more targeted at transmission pathways, e.g. replacing generic lockdown with something more specific also in regions with current decline in incidence | 18:59 |
| de-facto | because if generic restrictions are not replaced with something more specific, why would removing generic restrictions not lead to increase in incidence again? | 19:00 |
| de-facto | i guess vaccinations are not there yet to have as much of an impact in incidence as generic lockdown restrictions would have | 19:01 |
| de-facto | if reproduction = contact_rate * transmissibility * duration_of_infectiousness an increase in contact_rate (due to taking back generic restrictions) would have to be compensated in an equal decrease in transmissibility in order to ensure the same reproduction < 1 | 19:03 |
| de-facto | e.g. contact_rate(before) * transmissibility(before) = contact_rate(after) * transmissibility(after) | 19:04 |
| LjL | No, they aren't | 19:08 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Moderna Announces Agreement with Sanofi for Fill/Finish Manufacturing of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine in the U.S. (81 votes) | https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-agreement-sanofi-fillfinish-manufacturing/ | https://redd.it/myws3e | 19:11 |
| LjL | Sanofi already had such an agreement with Pfizer | 19:13 |
| LjL | so i guess that makes it pretty much certain that Sanofi aren't really pursuing their own vaccine anymore? | 19:13 |
| de-facto | how come they still have unused capacities to sell? | 19:20 |
| de-facto | thats what i mean with that i dont buy they are doing their best with production rates of vaccines | 19:20 |
| de-facto | i bet there is a LOT of unused resources right now that are intended to be sold to some of the best paying partners | 19:21 |
| de-facto | i dont care what kind of vaccine they produce there, I only care about them increasing their output rates | 19:22 |
| de-facto | and tbh i am really angry it takes them so long to increase their production rates | 19:23 |
| de-facto | 200M additional doses in ... September 2021 | 19:25 |
| de-facto | thats too few too late | 19:26 |
| de-facto | we need orders of magnitude more than that | 19:26 |
| LjL | "AstraZeneca’s doses in the U.S. were produced at an Emergent BioSolutions plant in Baltimore that has come under increased regulatory and public scrutiny after botching batches of the J&J vaccine. The U.S. pressed J&J to take over the plant and, as part of the effort to ensure the quality of newly produced vaccines, directed the facility to stop making the AstraZeneca shot. AstraZeneca is still looking to identify a new U.S. production facility for it | 19:42 |
| LjL | s future doses." | 19:42 |
| LjL | https://apnews.com/article/politics-health-business-government-and-politics-coronavirus-26fa41b98fab721218d9a51065351d9d | 19:42 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56891326 | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus: EU sues AstraZeneca over vaccine delivery delays - BBC News | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 25 aprile 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (21A02513) → https://is.gd/FA663j | 19:52 |
| LjL | de-facto, do you think the lawsuit has merits, given the weak contract? | 19:53 |
| LjL | %tr <it 1. Ai fini del contenimento della diffusione del virus Sars-Cov-2, [...] sono vietati l'ingresso e il transito nel territorio | 19:53 |
| LjL | nazionale alle persone che nei quattordici giorni antecedenti hanno soggiornato o transitato in India. | 19:53 |
| LjL | argh | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: 1. For the purpose of containing the spread of the Sars-Cov-2 virus, [...] entry and transit in the territory are prohibited (MyMemory, Google) | 19:53 |
| LjL | %tr <it 1. Ai fini del contenimento della diffusione del virus Sars-Cov-2, [...] sono vietati l'ingresso e il transito nel territorio nazionale alle persone che nei quattordici giorni antecedenti hanno soggiornato o transitato in India. | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: 1. For the purpose of containing the spread of the Sars-Cov-2 virus, [...] the entry and transit in the national territory are forbidden to persons who have stayed or passed through India in the previous fourteen days. (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 19:54 |
| LjL | fucking finally | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Images Showing the Deadly Toll of Covid In India → https://is.gd/ww91Ke | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +19852 cases (now 3.5 million), +147 deaths (now 77738) since 3 days ago | 20:35 |
| rpifan | has the infection rate gone down in germany since the ausgangsperre? | 20:35 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from EuroNews: (news): EU's legal action against AstraZeneca: Why now? How will it play out? When will there be a ruling? → https://is.gd/SbQUxmkr | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Family Accused of Selling Bleach as COVID-19 Cure: A family in Florida has been accused of selling tens of thousands of bottles of bleach as a “miracle cure” for the coronavirus and other diseases. → https://is.gd/jMSkEi | 20:43 |
| genera | rpifan, "Die Inzidenz stieg weiter von 177,1 am Vortag auf 179,5." for the state of Hesse | 20:46 |
| rpifan | good | 20:48 |
| Jarvis[m] | <de-facto "measured on the whole population"> India is officially on 350K cases per day but unofficially the difference is so huge u can't even imagine.. it is said.. that around 4.4 millions cases are arriving right now.. and if someone asks me if it is true or not.. I'll simply say YES! because almost each amd every building in Capital is having a case they have just quarantined Themselves. | 20:48 |
| LjL | i wish i were like the people who can "send thoughts and prayer" and feel better afterwards | 20:55 |
| bin_bash | only better because you're washing your hands of it | 21:04 |
| bin_bash | i mean there's ntohing i can do about the situation in india | 21:04 |
| bin_bash | except send thoughts and prayers | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Real-world studies find COVID vaccines reduce infection, hospitalization: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Apr 26, 2021 One study showed 91% protection for 1 dose of the Pfizer vaccine. → https://is.gd/wB0xUP | 21:04 |
| bin_bash | that's literally all i can do | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +181 deaths (now 103044) since 23 hours ago | 21:06 |
| de-facto | Jarvis[m], of course the amount of detected cases depend on the amount of tests being done and even if testing rates increase if the portion of positive tests increase cases raise faster than testing. Maybe a more accurate measure could be the hospitalizations or fatal outcomes, but with the problem of delay, representing the pathogen reproduction maybe 10 days ago or such | 21:10 |
| de-facto | and then the next question would be how accurate the reporting of fatal outcomes due to COVID is, how many of the cases actually end up in the statistic and how many die from COVID but dont show up in the numbers (yet) | 21:11 |
| de-facto | that being said, i really do hope India will be able to get infection rates under control | 21:13 |
| Jarvis[m] | <de-facto "and then the next question would"> Yes i agree, I didn't like pcr either.. virus is dead or alive.. the answer is "yes the person is positive." | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: U.S. Will Share 60 Million Doses Of AstraZeneca Vaccine With Other Countries: The administration had faced growing calls to send its stockpile of the AstraZeneca vaccine, which is not yet cleared for use in the U.S., to help countries hit hard by the virus. → https://is.gd/zNnzCe | 21:45 |
| de-facto | oh i do think PCR is very accurate, but my point was that independent of testing, if the number of fatal outcomes rises exponentially too, even if not all end up in the stats, is an indicator that things currently are largely out of control | 21:51 |
| Jarvis[m] | <de-facto "oh i do think PCR is very accura"> Indeed thing's out of control 😷 | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Apr 26, 2021: Stroke and asymptomatic COVID Airborne COVID-19 in vehicles → https://is.gd/qck4iG | 22:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Post-Vaccine Reunions Are An Emotional Rollercoaster: With vaccinations reaching more and more arms, families and friends are safely reuniting after a year or more apart. Most reunions are filled with the joy, but there’s also concern and anxiety, especially leading up to the events. → https://is.gd/2ycPjL | 22:38 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-probing-link-between-pfizer-shot-and-heart-problem-in-men-under-30/ <-- LjL hmm idk we should look if we can find that report in the coming days emerging somewhere guess? | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.timesofisrael.com: Israel said probing link between Pfizer shot and heart problem in men under 30 | The Times of Israel | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: The ongoing evolution of variants of concern and interest of SARS-CoV-2 in Brazil revealed by convergent indels in the amino (N)-terminal domain of the Spike protein: In addition to the already noted RDR regions, I think we are starting to see some more insertions in the spike protein. Here’s a link to a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/TWa5lL | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | I learned today that I have been classified as a priority group which is now entitled to a vaccination against SARS-CoV-2, due to working for critical infrastructure. I'm surprised; I don't consider myself as critical at all. | 23:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Staying 6 feet apart indoors does almost nothing to stop the spread of COVID-19, MIT study finds → https://is.gd/ge7Pa8 | 23:41 |
| Blankspace | Can I cook food if I am covid positive | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | Blankspace: At 2021-04-26 03:50:50 UTC, LjL told you: since you were wondering what you could do, maybe https://www.ketto.org/fundraiser/mission-oxygen-helping-hospitals-to-save-lives will help. can't donate from abroad though | 23:44 |
| Arsanerit | Corresponding MIT study, actual link: https://www.pnas.org/content/118/17/e2018995118 | 23:45 |
| LjL | Blankspace, you mean for others? not provably fully save i guess | 23:46 |
| LjL | safe* | 23:46 |
| LjL | are you positive? | 23:46 |
| Blankspace | Yes like 2 of us | 23:47 |
| LjL | i'm sorry | 23:47 |
| LjL | you mean two of the people in your household? | 23:47 |
| Blankspace | Yes | 23:47 |
| LjL | unless you can completely separate the parts of the house you live in, in all honestly, the other people will also get it anyway | 23:47 |
| Blankspace | Have my parents also | 23:48 |
| LjL | Blankspace, the most important thing is to stay in separate rooms, doors closed, windows open, if possible | 23:49 |
| LjL | meet as little as possible, bring food at the door and go away | 23:49 |
| LjL | but i don't know, of course how feasible this is depends on the structure of your place... | 23:49 |
| Blankspace | Ok | 23:50 |
| LjL | Blankspace, if you have to cook food for them, cook hot food | 23:51 |
| LjL | the heat helps to kill the virus | 23:51 |
| LjL | don't serve it cold to them | 23:51 |
| LjL | leave it at their door, have them wait a few minutes and then get it | 23:51 |
| LjL | how old are you, how old are your parents and other people in your household? | 23:52 |
| LjL | (it's perfectly okay if you don't want to answer) | 23:52 |
| Blankspace | Yes thanks ljl for protocols | 23:54 |
| Arsanerit | My colleague has had the virus enter into his household twice, and there are still people in his household which didn't get infected in either case. So separation is possible in some homes. But the second time he, as a cured person, could take care of the infected person with limited risk to himself. | 23:55 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, it also depends on the variant i suspect. anecdotically - it's an anecdote right now when it comes to places like India and Brazil, the official info and data just can't keep up with real numbers and things - i've read someone's impression that while during the first wave in India, people would get sick, but not entire households, now it's entire households | 23:59 |
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