| rpifan | or how strange, its sorta general epression | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | anyway "che fai" and "cosa fai" are also fine in italian, it's partly up to dialect and partly just how you feel like saying it i guess | 00:00 |
| LjL | i'll give you a somewhat lombard (i think) expression for "how strange": "pensa te!" | 00:00 |
| rpifan | piensate ? | 00:00 |
| LjL | no, "te" there is a subject, it would be "tu" in standard italian except you just wouldn't say it like that | 00:01 |
| LjL | like, "YOU figure that!" | 00:01 |
| DGMurdockIII | sorry to ask this but is there anyone that would be willing to help me with a littel money via paypal so i could pay my rent i had a emergency now im short for the first time in 2 years | 00:01 |
| LjL | and you can, and often will, of course say it as "ma pensa te!" | 00:02 |
| rpifan | if i knew you better DGMurdockIII id consider it, but ive never seen you before so no | 00:02 |
| rpifan | well we could say, piensate bien | 00:02 |
| DGMurdockIII | ok well i hang around here more them | 00:02 |
| LjL | DGMurdockIII, ugh, i'm sorry but i can't really let you ask this here, there's too much trolling/scamming on irc for people to safely take that as a genuine request :( | 00:02 |
| DGMurdockIII | sorry | 00:03 |
| DGMurdockIII | im just someone who on disabilty who hit a ruff patch | 00:03 |
| DGMurdockIII | but i got a covid19 qustion | 00:03 |
| DGMurdockIII | what the best site for covid19 numbers? | 00:03 |
| rpifan | i like worldometers | 00:04 |
| oxek | DGMurdockIII: https://covid19.specops.network/ is a good starting place | 00:04 |
| oxek | lists many trackers | 00:04 |
| DGMurdockIII | ok | 00:04 |
| LjL | yes, some trackers are better for specific world regions | 00:05 |
| LjL | Covidly covers a lot, including regions within many countries, but it's often not the most up to date | 00:05 |
| LjL | so it kinda depends what you're looking for... up to date data, countries vs regions, extensive data on ICU usage, etc | 00:05 |
| oxek | most of the info is of little use to the regular person anyway | 00:06 |
| LjL | well we all try to understand what we can, sometimes it looks like even the presumed experts are lost in the data quirks | 00:06 |
| oxek | what difference does it make if your city has 10k/day or 1k/day? Try to follow the advise irrelevant of number of cases. | 00:06 |
| DGMurdockIII | i use ncov2019.live but am looking for others | 00:07 |
| DGMurdockIII | to see if anything is better | 00:07 |
| LjL | oxek, it makes little difference whether i can understand the studies and data i put on that site or not, too... but feeling like i can navigate them and select the important ones makes me feel more in control in some way. i assume that's similar for other people | 00:07 |
| rpifan | i considered learning italian | 00:08 |
| rpifan | and i did study it when i was younger | 00:08 |
| rpifan | but im busier atm with the northern languages of europe | 00:08 |
| LjL | är du det? | 00:08 |
| oxek | LjL: you make a good case, that in these hard times seeing data in a structured manner can have a calming positive effect on people's psychology | 00:09 |
| de-facto | i like https://outbreak.info/ | 00:09 |
| oxek | on the other hand, there are people who see "only 1k cases a day in a city of 1M? Who cares about covid then?" or "Only 3M people died? In a world of 8B? Who cares then." | 00:09 |
| rpifan | ja! | 00:10 |
| rpifan | well im doing german nwo cause im in germany but i also wanan do danish | 00:10 |
| LjL | de-facto, that's a great site but i guess i like it more for the other things it offer than just tracking | 00:11 |
| de-facto | yes and i find those more interesting than just case numbers | 00:12 |
| LjL | rpifan, oh, danish is "fun". pretty much same as norwegian when written down, but completely unintelligible when spoken | 00:12 |
| rpifan | yea exactly | 00:12 |
| rpifan | well there is bokmal and nynorsk | 00:12 |
| ryouma | to me it is the complete unreliability of everything and incompetence of authorities and polities and other stuff that makes it a good effect of solid data | 00:12 |
| ryouma | so do all these countries like france italy spain have earlier, non-latin languages that made them what they are? | 00:13 |
| rpifan | nop | 00:13 |
| rpifan | not at all | 00:13 |
| ryouma | s/them/their current languagtes/ | 00:13 |
| LjL | rpifan, nynorsk depending on how hardcode it gets can look farther from norwegian than swedish does | 00:13 |
| ryouma | so that word substrate meant something different then? | 00:13 |
| LjL | err, farther from bokmål | 00:13 |
| LjL | didn't mean the bad implication i implicitly made :P | 00:13 |
| rpifan | LjL, what countries are you rom | 00:13 |
| LjL | italy | 00:13 |
| rpifan | so why you know about danish and such | 00:14 |
| LjL | because i like linguistics, and i learned some swedish and surroundings | 00:14 |
| de-facto | oxek, i think one can not rely on single numbers anyhow, their magnitude depends on so many circumstances (testing, participation, etc), but if the assumption holds that the defining circumstances only change slowly in comparison to case numbers then one could rely on trends, e.g. comparing todays case numbers with same day of last week tec | 00:14 |
| rpifan | nice | 00:14 |
| LjL | de-facto, i'd say it's almost vital to have at least the testing numbers | 00:15 |
| de-facto | yes | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: 'That meatball tastes like gasoline' | Months after getting COVID, thousands develop strange smell and taste disorders → https://is.gd/d0F64O | 00:15 |
| LjL | i've also studied german but only for a couple of years as a weekly afternoon school thing, unfortunately i forgot the little i know. in fact it feels like swedish has "overwritten" it, if i try to speak german i always end up saying swedish words | 00:16 |
| LjL | knew* | 00:16 |
| ryouma | i think my brain has 2 compartments for languages | 00:16 |
| ryouma | only 2 possible at a time | 00:16 |
| LjL | "english" and "everything else"? :P | 00:16 |
| ryouma | no, english and whatever language i consider worthy of my study | 00:16 |
| ryouma | and then everything else that is not either gets replaced by the seond one | 00:17 |
| ryouma | or something | 00:17 |
| LjL | i haven't reached conversational swedish, but i know it a lot better than i ever knew german, i guess. i like a lot of swedish songs. | 00:17 |
| ryouma | but what did you mean suybstrate | 00:17 |
| LjL | ryouma, ah sorry, i missed your question. yeah substrate refers to whatever was there before the current language, so in the case of romance countries, pre-latin languages... but post-latin languages also influenced them, so maybe it was inaccurate of me to just say substrate | 00:18 |
| LjL | the complementary thing is the superstrate | 00:18 |
| LjL | %wik stratum (linguistics) | 00:19 |
| ryouma | rpifan differs i guess | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: In linguistics, a stratum (Latin for "layer") or strate is a language that influences, or is influenced by another through contact. A substratum or substrate is a language that has lower power or prestige than another, while a superstratum or superstrate is the language that has higher power or [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratum_(linguistics) | 00:19 |
| LjL | uhm i didn't know it like this actually | 00:19 |
| LjL | well i guess it's similar except instead of seeing it as the new language over the old, it's the higher prestige vs the lower prestige one. they often overlap. | 00:20 |
| rpifan | like spain had a lot of celtic stuff | 00:20 |
| rpifan | but also arabic | 00:20 |
| ryouma | but is there any actual vocabulary stuff from the previosu languages | 00:20 |
| rpifan | and german gothic | 00:20 |
| rpifan | on the other hand my version of spanish, the ecuadorian one has a lot of words and pattersn from kichwa | 00:20 |
| ryouma | well i expected that | 00:21 |
| ryouma | but i did not know about it for france and italy and spain | 00:21 |
| ryouma | and romania | 00:21 |
| ryouma | i assume that is quechua | 00:21 |
| rpifan | yea romanian is kinda wierd | 00:21 |
| LjL | French has a very different phonology from Latin or other Romance languages like Italian, Spanish, Romanian... although don't make me speak of Portuguese. but it also has a very different phonology from Occitan, which is "close" to French. the Occitan-French boundary, when Occitan was actually spoken at least, roughly corresponded to the border between the part of Gallia that Romans originally conquered (connecting it to Hispania), and the northern parts | 00:21 |
| LjL | that they only got later | 00:21 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Previously infected vaccinees broadly neutralize SARS-CoV-2 variants (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.25.21256049v1 | https://redd.it/n1b9be | 00:21 |
| rpifan | kichwa is different quechu actually | 00:21 |
| rpifan | a lot of is the issue with norman frenc and the franks | 00:22 |
| rpifan | which were germanic ppls | 00:22 |
| LjL | ryouma, i suspect substrate contributed relatively little to vocabulary, but perhaps more to the phonology | 00:22 |
| rpifan | honestly i often get confused when talking french | 00:22 |
| rpifan | since so many words and things are similar | 00:22 |
| rpifan | even the way of building the past tense is the same | 00:22 |
| LjL | rpifan, well, it's the same in italian as well though...? | 00:23 |
| rpifan | well idk | 00:23 |
| rpifan | but im sure you have a simple past | 00:23 |
| rpifan | and a compound past tense | 00:23 |
| rpifan | like in spanish | 00:23 |
| LjL | yes | 00:23 |
| rpifan | but you actually use both | 00:23 |
| LjL | not really | 00:23 |
| rpifan | no? | 00:23 |
| rpifan | you only use the compound one? | 00:23 |
| LjL | in the north we only use the compound, in the south they only use the simple, in the center i guess they use both | 00:23 |
| ryouma | vas ist compound? | 00:24 |
| rpifan | do you have this mess with the equivalent of etre / avoir / haben/ sein | 00:24 |
| LjL | and also the compound tense can take "have" or "be" as its auxiliary, depending on the verb, like in french (and german) | 00:24 |
| LjL | yes | 00:24 |
| rpifan | oh | 00:24 |
| rpifan | thats horrible | 00:24 |
| LjL | and it's honestly quite baffling | 00:24 |
| rpifan | yea its a terrible terrible problem | 00:24 |
| rpifan | spanish we dont have that issue thank god | 00:24 |
| LjL | because it's not even clear which types of verbs take essere. it's not like it's just intransitive verbs, iẗ́'s a lot more involved | 00:24 |
| LjL | ryouma, compound past as in "i have done" | 00:24 |
| LjL | as opposed to "i did" | 00:25 |
| rpifan | well that techincally not the correct terminology | 00:25 |
| ryouma | but those are different meanings | 00:25 |
| rpifan | but im just using it here for simplicist sake | 00:25 |
| LjL | anyway guys, i do hold ##language too in case other people here would rather talk about covid :P | 00:25 |
| LjL | ryouma, yes, but they are two types of past tense, i wouldn't say it's incorrect rpifan, it's just one way of seeing them, the way they are structurally | 00:26 |
| LjL | rpifan, there are confusing examples also where the same verb can be used with either essere or avere, but each only in specific circumstances. example: correre (run), past participle "corso". "sono corso a casa" (I ran home, I have run home) vs "ho corso per tre ore" (i've run for three hours) | 00:27 |
| LjL | i guess in the "ho" case it's more of an action: i went and ran, i wanted to run, and then i stopped. in the "sono" case, it's closer to a state because something happened, and it resulted in your "being run" home | 00:27 |
| LjL | like in english you can say "I am gone", that's not a past, but the idea of the resulting state is how that type of past formed | 00:28 |
| rpifan | i meant to say the terminonlogy is not correct | 00:30 |
| rpifan | since there are still two kinds of past | 00:30 |
| rpifan | the plusquamperfekt | 00:30 |
| rpifan | in french nad in german | 00:30 |
| rpifan | plus one of the compound past tense | 00:30 |
| rpifan | which is sometimes the perfect or the imperfect | 00:30 |
| LjL | true | 00:32 |
| LjL | i took it for granted you were talking about the perfect because the imperfect is kind of a different beast i guess | 00:33 |
| LjL | we do use the imperfect in the north, while we don't really use the perfect | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Articles] Ethnic differences in SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19-related hospitalisation, intensive care unit admission, and death in 17 million adults in England: an observational cohort study using the OpenSAFELY platform: Some minority ethnic populations in England have excess risks of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xDLjzb | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: They help COVID patients regain their basic skills — from sitting up to teeth brushing → https://is.gd/ue7S26 | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Shannon McKearnan: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://is.gd/bnKPpU | 01:16 |
| LjL | finely[m], just a heads up, since the article itself is paywalled, but we may want to keep an eye on developments of this: <Brainstorm> New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Brazilian senate votes to suspend patents in bid to widen access to Covid-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/EKw7Eh | 01:19 |
| de-facto | interesting, does that have anything to do with their claims in regards to sputnik? | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's election commission should face murder charges over Covid-19 spike, Madras High Court says → https://is.gd/T3g0uP | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +13464 cases (now 3.4 million), +321 deaths (now 83542) since 18 hours ago | 02:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Double crises of coup and Covid could push half of Myanmar's population into poverty, UN warns → https://is.gd/nSooQE | 02:17 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Prior SARS-CoV-2 infection rescues B and T cell responses to variants after first vaccine dose (81 votes) | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/04/29/science.abh1282 | https://redd.it/n1wk7n | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +25423 cases (now 5.6 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +7888 cases (now 1.5 million), +26 deaths (now 17261) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2419 cases (now 4.4 million), +20 deaths (now 127638) since 23 hours ago | 02:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s Covid crisis is out of control—but the Modi government won’t let you tweet about it. As India’s Covid-19 crisis becomes insurmountable, the Narendra Modi government has been widely criticised for trying to filter what the world hears about the worst pandemic outbreak anywhere on the planet. → https://is.gd/823fkC | 03:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US to restrict travel from India over COVID starting Tuesday → https://is.gd/pqGbFa | 03:17 |
| LjL | why | 03:22 |
| LjL | WHY starting Tuesday | 03:22 |
| LjL | WHY is it not starting two weeks ago | 03:22 |
| oxek | because many indians have booked tickets to US | 03:22 |
| LjL | who cares, refund them | 03:22 |
| oxek | wouldn't want to turn them away, because racism | 03:22 |
| LjL | meh | 03:22 |
| oxek | same with every other nationality | 03:23 |
| LjL | the INDIAN (originally) doctor whose video i watched was admittedly baffled at how variants spread so quickly until he realized that flights are still going on pretty much unhindered worldwide | 03:23 |
| oxek | exactly | 03:23 |
| ryouma | meanwhile taiwan closed borders early iirc | 03:23 |
| ryouma | in the beginning | 03:23 |
| oxek | I wonder how north korea is doing | 03:24 |
| oxek | %cases north korea | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | oxek: Sorry, north korea not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:24 |
| oxek | %cases korea | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | oxek: In Jeju, South Korea, there have been 26 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 9 months ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Jeju for time series data. | 03:24 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Add Pfizer/BioNTech press release on use authorization in children 12-15 ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/46f948df94b9aa9e5789d2a8142e58ce9937db37 ) | 03:25 | |
| LjL | oxek, the bot wonders, too :P there are no official data i fear | 03:25 |
| oxek | yeah, a pity | 03:26 |
| oxek | same with knowing actual data for china | 03:26 |
| LjL | anyway the US stopped flights from the EU, Italy stopped flights from the UK and Brazil, and those are just the first examples that come to mind. it has happened, a few times, in a few countries, but always way too late | 03:26 |
| ryouma | "The special rapporteur on human rights in North Korea, Tomas Ojea Quintana, in a report for the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva, outlined increases in the numbers of children and elderly begging … "deaths by starvation," and "executions."" | 03:26 |
| ryouma | maybe it is bureaucracy | 03:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add Pfizer/BioNTech press release on use authorization in children 12-15 → https://is.gd/FpOlsT | 03:27 |
| Synapsestorm | ❗ 地震 警報 / EARTHQUAKE WARNING for Near East Coast Of Honshu, Japan (just felt near Onagawa Chō?) — Follow for updates (www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp) | 03:28 |
| LjL | big one | 03:30 |
| LjL | 6.7 probably close to Fukushima | 03:31 |
| LjL | epicenter kind of more north than Fukushima | 03:31 |
| ryouma | my text browser has issues with finding hte relevant link or text in reddit. don't fgeel like writing a filter. | 03:31 |
| ryouma | spreadin all the way through kyushu from fukushimaish | 03:32 |
| ryouma | and another color wave throuhg some of the ryukyuans | 03:32 |
| ryouma | oops the red is going there too | 03:32 |
| -Synapsestorm- ⭕ 地震! Earthquake! 6.7 M tremor, registered by alomax, with 4 reports, 4 early, occurred 6 minutes ago (01:27:26 UTC), during daytime, Onagawa Chō, Japan (38.2, 141.7), ↓60 km likely felt 440 km away — Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1327146700 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1599304783 https://www.windy.com/webcams/1461924746 (alomax.free.fr) | 03:34 | |
| LjL | ryouma, what you looking at? i look at http://www.kmoni.bosai.go.jp/ | 03:34 |
| ryouma | i just clicked and enabled noscript. i caught it when it was around kobe and the other line was in the ryukyuans | 03:34 |
| ryouma | the red line stopped b efore those though | 03:35 |
| LjL | ah right the bot mentions the source, forgot :P | 03:35 |
| ryouma | 2what are the purple and green dots | 03:35 |
| LjL | ryouma, they are individual accelerometers/seismometers | 03:35 |
| LjL | usually "strong motion detectors" | 03:35 |
| ryouma | oh intnsity | 03:35 |
| ryouma | so why is it so intense in kanto? | 03:35 |
| ryouma | or is that just n of kanto | 03:36 |
| LjL | ryouma, right now they're all just green/blue, which means "no earthquake", they were red and yellow before. they are green in Kanto just because there is more traffic and general stomping around, i think | 03:37 |
| LjL | during the night they go back to more blueish | 03:37 |
| ryouma | ok | 03:38 |
| ryouma | but i was unaware ne hokkaido had big cities | 03:38 |
| ryouma | i guess wher eyou put it matters | 03:38 |
| LjL | https://twitter.com/LastQuake/status/1388306195522465797/photo/1 | 03:38 |
| ryouma | is that purple thing a false color elevation thing or a false color tectonic plate thing or what? | 03:40 |
| ryouma | elevation i guess | 03:41 |
| ryouma | good that there are only motly jst felt reactions | 03:41 |
| LjL | i'm not sure, i think it's elevation but that probably mostly coincides with the fault plane | 03:41 |
| LjL | yeah the epicenter was in the sea, when i looked on bosai at first it seemed to be on land | 03:42 |
| ryouma | largely should be called strongly | 03:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Australians could face jail or fines if they return from India → https://is.gd/qSBIvv | 03:48 |
| ryouma | what is the distanec from sakurajima to fukushima in e.g. california or east coast us terms. iu don't recall loma prieta being talked about felt distantly. | 03:49 |
| ryouma | could cell phones serve as seismometers? | 03:53 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 sculpts the immune system to induce sustained virus-specific naïve-like and memory B cell responses (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.29.21256002v1 | https://redd.it/n24g64 | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Germans in the time of coronavirus: Irritable and divided, the country is tired of dealing with COVID-19. → https://is.gd/8VujMT | 04:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +18227 cases (now 5.6 million), +217 deaths (now 104522) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +5838 cases (now 1.5 million), +18 deaths (now 17266) since 21 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1788 cases (now 4.4 million), +12 deaths (now 127642) since 21 hours ago — Germany: +13538 cases (now 3.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 04:40 |
| ryouma | %tw | 04:42 |
| ryouma | %cases tw | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Antwerp, Belgium, there have been 125999 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 21 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Antwerp for time series data. | 04:42 |
| ryouma | %cases raiwan | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, raiwan not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:42 |
| LjL | %cases taiwan | 04:42 |
| ryouma | %cases taiwan | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Taiwan, there have been 1128 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 12 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. 526345 tests were performed (0.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Taiwan, there have been 1128 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 12 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. 526345 tests were performed (0.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. | 04:43 |
| LjL | *sigh* | 04:43 |
| ryouma | %cases australia | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Australia, there have been 29806 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 910 deaths (3.1% of cases) as of 4 minutes ago. 16.9 million tests were performed (0.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.0% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 04:44 |
| ryouma | %cases israel | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Israel, there have been 838481 confirmed cases (9.1% of the population) and 6363 deaths (0.8% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 14.2 million tests were performed (5.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Israel for time series data. | 04:45 |
| ryouma | %cases india | 04:46 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In India, there have been 18.8 million confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 208330 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 286.4 million tests were performed (6.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 04:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: AstraZeneca confirms delays to COVID-19 shots produced in Latin America → https://is.gd/hBaizy | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Russia records more than 400,000 excess deaths during pandemic → https://is.gd/NFvMGe | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: COVID-19: How to maintain oxygen levels while being in home isolation → https://is.gd/VHMa9l | 05:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists say India government ignored warnings amid coronavirus surge → https://is.gd/zMZTCa | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid crisis: Australians trying to return home from India face up to $66,000 fine or five years’ jail → https://is.gd/HUJyhw | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus situation in India tragic, have committed support to them: Kamala Harris → https://is.gd/RuAKQb | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +3607 cases (now 990229), +45 deaths (now 24230) since a day ago | 06:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +24302 cases (now 5.6 million), +290 deaths (now 104595) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +17120 cases (now 3.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +2214 cases (now 804620), +41 deaths (now 32870) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +7790 cases (now 1.5 million), +25 deaths (now 17273) since 23 hours ago | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India records more than 400,000 new daily cases, first country to do so in COVID-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/BS8BDH | 07:50 |
| brownjenkin | %cases israel | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | brownjenkin: In Israel, there have been 838481 confirmed cases (9.1% of the population) and 6363 deaths (0.8% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. 14.2 million tests were performed (5.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Israel for time series data. | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +1891 cases (now 67044), +21 deaths (now 224) since 23 hours ago | 08:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Modi could have prevented India's devastating Covid-19 crisis, critics say. He didn't → https://is.gd/6a54Vg | 08:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +401993 cases (now 19.2 million), +4272 deaths (now 211853) since 23 hours ago | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | May 01, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/RL4atK | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Care home isolation rule axed for low-risk trips in England: The rules will be relaxed in England - allowing for day trips without 14 days' quarantine afterwards. → https://is.gd/QVNWTq | 09:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Australians Arriving From Covid-Hit India Could Face 5 Years' Jail, Fine → https://is.gd/IW9aEj | 09:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +50 deaths (now 24219) since 14 hours ago | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID in India: how the Modi government prioritised politics over public health → https://is.gd/JStqm2 | 10:22 |
| ecrockz123[m] | %cases India | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | ecrockz123[m]: In India, there have been 19.2 million confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 211853 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of an hour ago. 288.3 million tests were performed (6.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Matters of the Mind: Challenges are many amid pandemic, lessons even more → https://is.gd/wr6XzU | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study → https://is.gd/wVZegb | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Aid and development: WHO lists Moderna vaccine for emergency use → https://is.gd/xnPmuR | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): cucciolo di volpe: submitted by /u/yeahitsmatte to r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA → https://is.gd/x9KD2X | 12:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Brazil hits 82,000 Covid deaths in April, new monthly record: Brazil registered 2,595 new deaths from COVID-19 on Friday, bringing the total for April to 82,266, the second consecutive monthly record as the country struggles with a devastating surge since the start of the year. → https://is.gd/Tvgj5c | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +64 cases (now 821) since a day ago | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Terrorism: Italian police arrest two anti-vaxxers for fire bombing of vaccination hub → https://is.gd/kP9NME | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): 01/05/21 - ZOE COVID-19 Study Update: 15,943 people are currently predicted to have symptomatic COVID-19 in the UK, down by 580. Yesterday was 16,523 and last Saturday was 20,510. → https://is.gd/B4KvmM | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: The First Billion COVID Vaccinations Have Been Given: A health worker inoculates a lawmaker with a Covid-19 coronavirus vaccine ahead of the Parliament's session in Kathmandu on March 3, 2021. → https://is.gd/WshaH0 | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists say India government ignored warnings amid coronavirus surge → https://is.gd/Riqb6c | 14:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Turkish police detain hundreds at lockdown May Day marches → https://is.gd/Urh2R1 | 14:34 |
| de-facto | Governments should be forced to sign scientific reports as prove they have read the information and later be held liable if they ignore them. | 14:34 |
| summonner | no one would ever accuse a politician of doing the right thing | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Indian Politician Allegedly Feeds Cow Urine to COVID Patient on Ventilator → https://is.gd/BxpGoo | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Lanka looking at sources outside India to purchase AstraZeneca vaccine due to supply delay → https://is.gd/kXL670 | 15:15 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Biden set to ban most travel to U.S. from India to limit COVID-19 spread (10044 votes) | https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-biden-set-ban-most-travel-us-india-limit-covid-19-spread-2021-04-30/ | https://redd.it/n1zuqh | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +18227 cases (now 3.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: How to overcome weakness post-Covid? Keep these tips in mind for faster recovery → https://is.gd/TwP1Uv | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Prediction Models for Public Health Containment Measures on COVID-19 Using Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning: A Systematic Review. → https://is.gd/1q6coG | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India reports a record-breaking 400,000 new cases; Fauci says crisis is ‘like a war’ → https://is.gd/J2TEd6 | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Thousands take to streets for May Day protests amid coronavirus restrictions → https://is.gd/QZHZNa | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: TSA Extends Mask Mandate Aboard Flights Through Summer As Travel Increases: Even as COVID-19 cases decrease and more Americans get vaccinated, the Transportation Security Administration is keeping strict regulations on mask wearing when traveling domestically. → https://is.gd/zyVRMP | 18:59 |
| de-facto | as long as the pathogen circulates containment measures should be forced into place, regardless of things like vaccinations etc | 19:01 |
| de-facto | who knows the current level of protection for vaccinated (as a function of time) relative to the currently circulating mutants | 19:02 |
| brownjenkin | we will soon know | 19:02 |
| de-facto | for sure if such mutants would still be present in a highly vaccinated population (we dont know yet) the vaccines would not fully protect from transmitting them | 19:03 |
| de-facto | yeah so since we dont know yet, we have to be careful and leave containment measures in place until we know more about that | 19:03 |
| de-facto | but i fear it will go south with politicians taking back restrictions for any vaccinated and thereby promoting breeding of evasive mutants | 19:05 |
| de-facto | (at least i can hear such rationale here in Europe, not sure how it will go in US) | 19:06 |
| LjL | de-facto: my computer is updating now and I don't have the logs but Brainstorm pinged me earlier about a variant in Africa (don't remember the country) with the most mutations ever found so far, including E484K. Who knows what's breeding in Africa with cases not really being counted. And yesterday it said about a French variant that apparently escapes PCR detection | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +12964 cases (now 4.0 million), +226 deaths (now 121033) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +9723 cases (now 1.2 million), +70 deaths (now 24255) since 23 hours ago | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Fifty-two passengers on flight from Delhi to Hong Kong test positive for Covid – despite negative result pre-flight → https://is.gd/rTrS7Y | 19:40 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: How SARS-CoV-2 first adapted in humans (80 votes) | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6541/466 | https://redd.it/n2338w | 19:42 |
| de-facto | LjL, yeah i have heard about that incognito variant in France, but that was quite some time ago afaik | 19:42 |
| de-facto | not sure what you mean wtih the Africa mutant | 19:46 |
| de-facto | LjL, i guess you mean this here with the French undercover VOI? https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actualites/presse/communiques-de-presse/article/a-la-suite-de-l-identification-par-sequencage-en-bretagne-d-un-nouveau-variant | 19:52 |
| de-facto | found a cite about it in a German newspaper | 19:53 |
| de-facto | translated "At the request of the Deutsches Ärzteblatt, the RKI said today that the variant detected in France was SARS-CoV-2 of the "Clade 20C with 9 mutations in the spike protein". These are "S: H66D, S: G142V, S: D215G, S: V483A, S: D614G, S: H655Y, S: G669S, S: Q949R, S: N1187D" and the following deletions: "ORF6: K23-, ORF6 : V24-, ORF6: S25-, ORF6: I26-, ORF6: W27-, ORF6: N28-, ORF6: L29-, ORF6: D30-, ORF6: Y31-, S: Y144-. "" | 19:53 |
| de-facto | hence it very much depends on the PCR primers they are using there and if all of them are "blinded" by those point mutations | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s daily COVID-19 cases pass 400,000 for first time as second wave worsens → https://is.gd/fHGIhL | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India Blames a Virus Variant as Its Covid-19 Crisis Deepens → https://is.gd/Ta2CGO | 20:20 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Michigan is now hospitalizing more people under 40 than those over 80 for COVID-19 (10115 votes) | https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/05/michigan-is-now-hospitalizing-more-people-under-40-than-those-over-80-for-covid-19.html | https://redd.it/n2hns4 | 20:30 |
| de-facto | if it was just that easy to always blame the mutant instead of its carriers that distribute it | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +16385 cases (now 3.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +332 deaths (now 104706) since 23 hours ago | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Stephen Karanja: Kenyan anti-vaccine doctor dies from Covid-19 → https://is.gd/ANGXBz | 21:32 |
| hirogen | v - thx | 21:35 |
| dTal | you want +v? | 21:53 |
| brownjenkin | Oh, this Matrix room is bridged to IRC? | 22:08 |
| de-facto | yep | 22:19 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56953052 | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.bbc.com: Covid: Australians could face jail or fines if they return from India - BBC News | 22:19 |
| de-facto | "From Monday, anyone who has been in India within 14 days of their intended arrival date in Australia will be banned from entering the country." | 22:19 |
| de-facto | "Failing to comply with the new ruling could result in a five-year jail sentence, an A$66,000 (£37,000) fine, or both. The decision will be reviewed on 15 May, the health ministry said." | 22:20 |
| de-facto | why are flights still tolerated at all? | 22:20 |
| de-facto | my guess: governments will fail to contain B.1.617 and it will spread worldwide too, just as the other VoCs | 22:22 |
| de-facto | as long as passenger flights will not be banned this will continue, rise and spread of the mutants and also break through vaccinations | 22:23 |
| de-facto | it all starts with passenger flights still not being banned, the pandemic itself as well as now the mutants and also the breakthrough VoCs | 22:30 |
| de-facto | as long as people tolerate this it will continue like this | 22:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘We’re burning pyres all day’: Fears of cover-up as crematoriums record twice the number of Covid fatalities as official death toll → https://is.gd/wEAewh | 22:43 |
| de-facto | looks like at least India, Nepal and Sri Lanka sharing that huge spike http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India;Pakistan;Bangladesh;Nepal;Sri%20Lanka;Bhutan&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 22:46 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQdKsLZjmaQ "Dr Nair, Summary" "How is the situation in India now,..." Dr. John Campbell May 1, 2021 | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: Prima di continuare su YouTube | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10633) since a day ago | 23:12 |
| LjL | de-facto, India's borders are de facto (sorry) open with Nepal | 23:23 |
| LjL | it's even normal in Nepal to use Indian rupees, even though in theory taking rupees away from India is illegal | 23:23 |
| ryouma | most likely, i'd prefer to blame policy --- 11:30 <de-facto> if it was just that easy to always blame the mutant instead of its carriers that distribute it | 23:26 |
| ryouma | although blaming neanderthals (in the metaphorical sense) is tempting, it's sort of a fact on the ground that has antecedents that need addressing by poilicy and that were caused by policy (nothing against real neanderthals; sapiens sapiens probably wrote history to suit it) | 23:28 |
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