libera/##covid-19/ Sunday, 2021-05-02

Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Nine NZ Customs border workers fired after refusing jab → https://is.gd/3hf1B9	00:14
de-facto	LjL, i am just worrying, is Nepal not quite poor, can they afford medical care for their citizens?	00:17
de-facto	same for Sri Lanka	00:17
de-facto	.title https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/apr/30/nepal-facing-deadly-covid-wave-similar-to-india-doctors-warn	00:19
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.theguardian.com: Nepal facing deadly Covid wave similar to India, doctors warn \| Global development \| The Guardian	00:19
de-facto	i guess their only option is a very very strictly enforced lockdown	00:22
Brainstorm	New from Virology.ws: Trial By Error: In Guardian Column, Professor Pariante Parrots Standard Biopsychosocial Nonsense: By David Tuller, DrPH On Tuesday (four days ago), The Guardian published an opinion piece from Professor Carmine Pariante titled “Long Covid is very far from ‘all in the mind’–but psychology can still help us to treat it.” [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/R98bfi	00:24
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Add preprints about variant breakthrough infections in Israel with BNT ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/87a9e156afaa7e6a9b4992ed687c9cc6983571d2 )		00:30
ryouma	%cases bhutan	00:31
Brainstorm	Updates for Germany: +12910 cases (now 3.4 million) since 22 hours ago	00:31
Brainstorm	ryouma: In Bhutan, there have been 1106 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 1 deaths (0.1% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 707405 tests were performed (0.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Bhutan for time series data.	00:31
ryouma	that dos not sound bad	00:32
ryouma	what is the population though	00:32
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add preprints about variant breakthrough infections in Israel with BNT → https://is.gd/ekbgwO	00:34
de-facto	keep in mind that some countries dont even have the infrastructure for testing that much	00:36
de-facto	e.g. many African countries etc, their numbers are not even comparable at all	00:36
de-facto	if they lockdown quickly enough they might prevent such a case explosion as seen in India though	00:38
de-facto	for some countries without much of a medical system (e.g. ICU beds, ventilators, oxygen etc) it might be the only option to protect their citizens from this damn virus	00:39
LjL	de-facto, many Indian states are similarly poor...	00:41
LjL	mostly no, they all cannot afford medical care, generally speaking	00:41
ryouma	the factoid lists the number of stests performed de-facto	00:42
de-facto	yes good point with the tests, but how many were used recently in the period of India's COVID explosion?	00:44
ryouma	no clue. also were they random smples, hcw, etc.	00:45
de-facto	yes thats the next question actually, how well do they represent the entire population	00:46
ryouma	i wonder if htere is an ngo that goes around taking random samples from varous places in various countries	00:47
de-facto	same for india, once COVID spreads from the city to the rural areas, how much will we even see from that in the statistics?	00:47
ryouma	are they going to canel any of thoe massive religious rituals?	00:47
de-facto	hopefully not, but they have some elections or such	00:47
de-facto	not quite sure	00:48
de-facto	.title https://www.reuters.com/world/india/election-results-five-indian-states-due-sunday-2021-05-01/	00:49
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.reuters.com: Election results from five Indian states due on Sunday \| Reuters	00:49
de-facto	does not quite look like distancing, they are having crowded gatherings without masks	00:50
de-facto	question: what could possibly go wrong with THAT?	00:50
de-facto	damn.	00:50
de-facto	why dont they have curfew enforced by military?	00:51
de-facto	i dont get it, they have millions of new infections per day, cant even burn their deceased bodies fast enough and still tolerate mass gatherings	00:52
ryouma	https://theconversation.com/india-prepares-for-kumbh-mela-worlds-largest-religious-gathering-amid-covid-19-fears-158364	00:57
LjL	de-facto, it almost sounds like what happened to us, and the same things not to get	00:59
LjL	and also what is about to happen again while we reooooopen	00:59
LjL	remember "reopen europe" was a site last year? and then it got abandoned? maybe they can restore it now!	01:00
LjL	and on and on and on every year	01:00
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s Covid wards are like scenes from Dante’s ‘Inferno’ → https://is.gd/kXPH2Q	01:04
de-facto	yes ryouma April 8, 2021	01:05
de-facto	we can not reopen as long as we have not killed COVID worldwide	01:06
de-facto	vaccinations may help with that, but they definitely are not the solution, only the absence of the pathogen ensures we wont have new evasive mutants	01:07
LjL	then let's call it never	01:08
de-facto	i dont think that, there have been so many countries demonstrating its possible to bring it down	01:09
de-facto	its just we are not nearly trying hard enough to synchronize our efforts or to distribute vaccines worldwide, or even to ramp up production rates and ban international travel	01:10
LjL	and maybe more demonstrating they're not able or willing to	01:10
LjL	s/maybe/many/	01:10
de-facto	yes thats more like it, most people are not willing to participate, hence it will stay	01:10
de-facto	imho its the duty of governments to coordinate worldwide scheduling and synchronizing a global containment strategy including free resources from rich industrial nations to poorer developing countries	01:12
de-facto	then absolutely strictly enforce participation in containment, without any exceptions	01:13
dTal	or just shoot anyone with covid	01:13
dTal	maybe if it were 100% fatal people would take it seriously	01:13
de-facto	we are breeding on it, it already becomes more aggressive with every mutant rising	01:14
LjL	dTal, the North Korea approach?	01:14
dTal	We have no idea what the North Korea approach is	01:15
LjL	"if you have COVID it means you have defected or interacted with defectors. off with his head!"	01:15
de-facto	at least they are not stupid enough to directly import any mutant that emerged worldwide as many other countries still do	01:16
de-facto	i really dont understand why there is not put much more effort and rigor into containment worldwide, given the GIGANTIC economic costs of all of this	01:19
de-facto	not even to begin to speak of health and life	01:19
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China to mobilise private companies to help India fight Covid-19 surge → https://is.gd/Ps54hf	01:24
hirogen	remember 1 thing about Korea north or south	01:26
hirogen	both seem to have low populations	01:26
hirogen	lots of open space	01:26
LjL	lol populations, wut	01:31
LjL	low* also	01:32
LjL	but also lol	01:32
LjL	south korea has more than half the population density of italy	01:32
dTal	14 times the population density of USA	01:33
LjL	maybe they meant open space in the ocean	01:33
LjL	but that's problematic because China claims it all as theirs...	01:33
LjL	also, more than the population density of India	01:33
dTal	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea	01:34
LjL	can we all just laugh at hirogen when they come back?	01:34
dTal	"South Korea is one of the world's most densely populated countries"	01:34
ryouma	if the political will does not exist now what would create it. something is causing most govs not to care/	01:39
ryouma	we don't know of anything that would stop that from doing so do we	01:39
ryouma	e.g. worker bees still exist. so it's not a priority.	01:39
ryouma	so, there are mating rituals. what has been occurring with those?	01:44
LjL	de-facto, do you remember there was a study about pfizer and moderna antibody efficacy reduction of 10-12x on SA variant, but also another that said more like 15x?	01:45
de-facto	i remember the one with 10 fold	01:53
LjL	okay. i have that one, i had the vague impression there was a study that showed even worse results but as usual i'm not sure of the details or where to find it	01:54
LjL	you're thinking of https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03398-2 right?	01:54
de-facto	.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03398-2	01:55
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.nature.com: Antibody resistance of SARS-CoV-2 variants B.1.351 and B.1.1.7 \| Nature	01:55
de-facto	"Moreover, compared to wild-type SARS-CoV-2, B.1.351 is markedly more resistant to neutralization by convalescent plasma (9.4-fold) and sera from individuals who have been vaccinated (10.3–12.4-fold)."	01:55
de-facto	hmm i vaguely remember some other study too, but i dont remember enough details to find it again	01:56
LjL	i think i really should set up Zotero :\	01:56
LjL	well more than set it up, syphoon all the studies from the github into it	01:56
CoronaBot	/r/covid19: Intestinal Host Response to SARS-CoV-2 Infection and COVID-19 Outcomes in Patients With Gastrointestinal Symptoms (80 votes) \| https://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085(21)00461-3/fulltext \| https://redd.it/n2mv5v	01:57
de-facto	LjL, did you maybe mean https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01318-5 ?	02:00
de-facto	.title	02:00
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.nature.com: Sensitivity of infectious SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 variants to neutralizing antibodies \| Nature Medicine	02:00
LjL	de-facto, yes! i think that one is it	02:01
de-facto	"Neutralizing titers increased after the second vaccine dose, but remained 14-fold lower against B.1.351."	02:01
de-facto	but yeah tbh 10 fold or 14 fold thats not so much of a difference there	02:01
de-facto	around an order of magnitude or 1 log10 reduction	02:02
LjL	de-facto, well it might make the difference between "protects, maybe not as well" and "basically doesn't protect". anyway, more studies that say the same thing is always good (i have already too many studies saying opposite things :P)	02:02
de-facto	yes an order of magnitude might make that difference but if its 1:10 or 1:14 does not really play such a big role anymore then	02:04
de-facto	imho it fits together with the in-vivo 1:8 fold from that Israel study you just commited	02:05
de-facto	basically all of the vaccines need updates, and should be distributed faster than the mutants themselves	02:05
de-facto	(hint: banning passenger flights and shipping vaccines instead of infected carriers might help with that)	02:06
LjL	de-facto, the Israel study isn't really "8-fold" though, it just says that among infected people, B.1.351 was 8 times more frequent if those people were vaccinated. but the vaccine still has very high efficacy so while it definitely shows some loss of efficacy with B.1.351, it's not like it's saying it's 5%*8 (i.e. 100-95%)	02:08
-RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Recent Commits to links:master: Add study that reinforces loss of neutralization efficacy of mRNA vac… ( https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/1f20289ea6a2f65cbdf05a81246e5c3388fae24b )		02:10
de-facto	really? if B.1.351 was 8-fold over-represented relative to B.1.1.7 in the vaccine breakthrough cases compared to the B.1.351 to B.1.1.7 ratio in non-vaccinated would that not mean 8-fold less vaccine protection for B.1.351 than for B.1.1.7?	02:12
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : Add study that reinforces loss of neutralization efficacy of mRNA vac…: Add study that reinforces loss of neutralization efficacy of mRNA vaccines on B.1.351Courtesy de-facto; this is a study I saw before but evidently didn't feel like adding → https://is.gd/agE79M	02:14
LjL	de-facto, no what it says is not that B.1.351 was 8-fold over-represented in the vaccine breakthrough cases (that would not be useful unless you know very well how much B.1.351 is circulating compared to B.1.1.7)	02:15
LjL	it was 8-fold compared to B.1.351 in unvaccinated cases	02:15
de-facto	.title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.06.21254882v2	02:19
de-facto	"Our results show that vaccinees that tested positive at least a week after the second dose were indeed disproportionally infected with B.1.351, as compared with unvaccinated individuals (odds ratio of 8:1)"	02:19
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Evidence for increased breakthrough rates of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern in BNT162b2 mRNA vaccinated individuals \| medRxiv	02:19
de-facto	LjL, look at their Table T1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/04/16/2021.04.06.21254882/T1.medium.gif (higher res in the PDF)	02:25
LjL	yes, as compared with unvaccinated individuals	02:26
LjL	how is that different from what i said and the same as what you said instead?	02:26
LjL	they're compared vaccinated to unvaccinated	02:26
LjL	they are not comparing B.1.351 to B.1.1.7	02:26
LjL	i don't know what PE and FE stand for though	02:29
de-facto	.title https://imgur.com/a/l4QSoWm	02:30
Brainstorm	de-facto: From imgur.com: Evidence for increased breakthrough rates of SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern in BNT162b2 mRNA vaccinated individuals - Album on Imgur	02:30
Brainstorm	Updates for France: +24986 cases (now 5.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6776 cases (now 1.5 million), +23 deaths (now 17284) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2152 cases (now 4.4 million), +12 deaths (now 127650) since 23 hours ago	02:31
de-facto	"We focused on vaccinated carriers, divided into two categories: (a) individuals who had a positive PCR test that was performed between 14 days after the 1st dose and a week after the 2nd dose (denoted as partial effectiveness, PE), and (b) individuals who had a positive PCR test that was performed at least one week after the second vaccine dose (denoted as full effectiveness, FE)."	02:33
de-facto	"Each vaccinee (case) was matched with an unvaccinated carrier (control) with similar demographic characteristics (date of PCR, age, sex, ethnic sector, and geographic location) to reduce bias associated with differential exposure (Methods)."	02:35
LjL	ah, i see, i imagine it was something like 1st dose vs 2nd dose but didn't quite imagine what P and F may stand for	02:36
LjL	imagined*	02:36
de-facto	my understanding would be them having seen 8-fold overexposed B.1.351 to to B.1.1.7 in the breakthrough cases as what they would have expected if protection for both VoCs would have been the same	02:37
de-facto	else they would have claimed their results would not be in accordance with what to expect from other studies as you linked above	02:38
de-facto	anyhow i have to get some sleep, lets continue another day	02:39
LjL	de-facto, okay, goodnight. but again, they are not comparing B.1.351 to B.1.1.7, they are comparing B.1.351-vaccinated:B.1.351-unvaccinated (the proportion of cases)	02:44
LjL	get 100 vaccinated people who got COVID, how many of them got B.1.351? also get 100 unvaccinated people who got COVID; how many of them got B.1.351? what's the ratio?	02:45
LjL	i mean it might mean it's 8 times as much as B.1.1.7 but that doesn't seem obvious to me	02:45
brownjenkin	for a moment i thought "och, they are still talking about the pandemic" but then i recalled this is literally what the room was made for…	02:51
brownjenkin	im a daft wee bugger eh? ~_~	02:52
LjL	brownjenkin, lol	02:55
LjL	we sometimes talk about other things :P	02:55
LjL	but yeah	02:55
LjL	i have noticed most people who used to be in this channel have abandoned it by now, maybe they are technically still around but not really	02:55
LjL	mostly i stay tuned in, although sometimes i just don't want to hear about it either	02:56
LjL	but a common reaction seems to be to tune it out, too much hammering on about it on the news etc	02:56
LjL	if only we could handle it correctly so that eventually we can tune it out because it's gone :\	02:56
brownjenkin	<LjL "if only we could handle it corre"> 100% ~_~	02:57
LjL	virus-related, not COVID-related, but interesting https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/04/lots-of-viruses-have-a-distinct-form-of-dna-with-its-own-base/	03:04
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +6311 cases (now 1.2 million), +49 deaths (now 24261) since 23 hours ago	03:08
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s vaccine czar has left the country for the UK due to “unprecedented” threats → https://is.gd/w8wW9L	03:24
Robinson	Lol	03:29
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Indian woman dies of Covid two hours after police 'take her oxygen cylinder for VIP' → https://is.gd/Uyzacr	03:34
Robinson	Fuck India news	03:39
CoronaBot	/r/covid19: Persistence of SARS-CoV-2 in the first trimester placenta leading to transplacental transmission and fetal demise from an asymptomatic mother (80 votes) \| https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/36/4/899/6042696 \| https://redd.it/n2tx5e	03:39
rpifan	so its like syka now?	03:45
rpifan	zika	03:45
LjL	Robinson, what's wrong with india news?	03:47
LjL	rpifan, i've heard risks for pregnant women have been identified but i don't think it's something that just happens to most of them	03:48
Robinson	It's makes me sad	03:48
LjL	they're pretty sad indeed	03:48
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Canada Will Require Using A Vaccine Passport For Entry → https://is.gd/12Qzjd	04:14
dTal	what the hell is happening in India	04:22
Brainstorm	Updates for France: +25329 cases (now 5.7 million), +217 deaths (now 104739) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6275 cases (now 1.5 million), +23 deaths (now 17289) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2034 cases (now 4.4 million), +9 deaths (now 127651) since 23 hours ago	04:36
ryouma	brownjenkin: we mostly talk about languages	04:56
Guest95725	dTal: the Kumbh Mela was few weeks ago	05:02
dTal	This is an exponential growth curve starting in Feb, so nah that ain't it	05:03
Guest95725	The Kumbh Mela authorities said that the largest one-day attendance at the Kumbh Mela was 30 million on 10 February 2013,[24][25] and 50 million on 4 February 2019.[26][27]	05:04
ryouma	does it look like the sturgis rally? that had a huge effect on the us	05:05
Guest95725	well it was all of april, and per wikipedia only 1M this year, but, yeah likely something else, like Modi and neoliberalism	05:06
Guest95725	see: brazil, ecuador, mexico, but seems South Asia, this wave with some variant	05:08
ryouma	they deleyed the ceremony for a few months thisyear	05:09
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: How will the pandemic influence your life? Here’s what your zodiac sign predicts → https://is.gd/66bzyq	05:45
ryouma	they can't think of better4 stuff to write huh	05:46
Guest95725	hmm looks like the rate/100k is higher in Kerala, which is the more developed area	05:56
Guest95725	Lineage B.1.617	05:58
Brainstorm	Updates for Belgium: +3205 cases (now 993434), +28 deaths (now 24258) since 23 hours ago	06:02
Brainstorm	New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 750: To err is viral: The TWiVmeisters discuss how copy-back defective viral genomes might modulate the clinical outcome of respiratory syncytial virus infection, and detection of antibodies to henipa- and filo-like viruses in Trinidad bats. → https://is.gd/XeuL5j	06:15
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: Nine Customs border workers fired after refusing jab → https://is.gd/MNUmWo	06:25
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Thousands of revelers attend Wuhan music festival → https://is.gd/B4vvfy	06:35
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Dealing with anxiety and stress in lockdown: A mental health expert shares tips → https://is.gd/TTvNNE	06:56
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India is silencing its critics on Facebook and Twitter during the pandemic → https://is.gd/at1BiQ	07:26
Brainstorm	Updates for Nova Scotia, Canada: +148 cases (now 2575) since a day ago — France: +25671 cases (now 5.7 million), +81 deaths (now 104787) since 10 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +2139 cases (now 806759), +52 deaths (now 32922) since a day ago — Canada: +7915 cases (now 1.2 million) since 21 hours ago	07:36
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: In Indonesia, lab workers arrested, accused of reusing swabs in coronavirus tests → https://is.gd/oUUUad	07:57
Brainstorm	Updates for India: +392488 cases (now 19.6 million), +4149 deaths (now 215542) since 23 hours ago — Thailand: +1940 cases (now 68984), +21 deaths (now 245) since a day ago	08:32
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Quarantine for Covid contacts could be scrapped: If a trial is successful, close contacts of people with Covid may no longer have to self-isolate for 10 days. → https://is.gd/T9XsxD	08:38
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China's largest music festival returns to Wuhan → https://is.gd/YDjjtJ	08:58
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Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China administers more than 10 mln doses of COVID-19 vaccines on April 30 → https://is.gd/jF0Pc6	09:29
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Taiwan's first batch of COVID-19 aid leaves for India → https://is.gd/XEs7wA	09:49
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: Some simple homemade meals for COVID-positive patients for quick recovery → https://is.gd/ZTjK98	12:00
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The chickenpox party is over as scientists call for UK vaccine rollout → https://is.gd/K2LXbU	12:20
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: We are witnessing a crime against humanity’: Arundhati Roy on India’s Covid catastrophe → https://is.gd/DIlXbD	12:40
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darsie	Let's hope Indians learn from it.	12:47
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: Maldives’ ‘I’m Vaccinated’ tourism campaign to ensure visitor safety → https://is.gd/oPrcpE	12:50
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Brainstorm	New from StatNews: Opinion: India’s Covid-19 catastrophe reflects years of neglecting its health system: In the heat of the moment, it is easy to blame the Modi government for India's feeble response to the Covid-19 surge. The real blame should go to neglect of… → https://is.gd/cKSu7X	13:10
Brainstorm	New from Politico: Cities: Brussels calls on EU countries to monitor wastewater for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/CyjCIB	13:40
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: A doctor explains: Why breastfeeding must continue in the COVID-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/WbBHa3	14:01
finely[m]	<Brainstorm "New from r/WorldNews: worldnews:"> Very good article. Heartbreaking.	14:10
de-facto	which one?	14:11
de-facto	you citing is truncated, not enough information for identifying what you mean	14:12
aradesh	sporting event in the UK with like 1000+ people indoors. world snooker final	14:12
de-facto	testing?	14:13
aradesh	i guess so	14:13
aradesh	probably something of an experiment	14:13
de-facto	hopefully, otherwise that would be insane	14:13
aradesh	just started. not much distancing going on. most seats filled.	14:13
de-facto	in my city here there is a quicktest center at the central public traffic station. people can queue outdoors and get a test result in maybe half an hour or such. with that result certified they can show that on store entry and go shopping	14:15
de-facto	testing is for free	14:15
de-facto	so maybe they can do similar things, although the quicktests are not so sensitive, some only show positive at onset on symptoms, and we know the duration of infectiousness starts already before that (44% infections already happening before onset of symptoms)	14:16
de-facto	tbh i am not convinced yet that quicktests are bullet-proof enough to take back restrictions, yet they are a very good idea in addition to existing measures to identify cases that normally would have gone under the radar for some time	14:17
de-facto	i guess quicktests could identify potential super-spreaders though since they would have more than average viral spreading load onto their environment	14:21
Brainstorm	New from The Atlantic: Germany’s Anti-Vaccination History Is Riddled With Anti-Semitism: Last year, I felt lucky to be an American in Germany. The government carried out a comprehensive public-health response, and for the most part, people wore masks in public. More recently, COVID-19 cases have surged here, with new infections reaching a single-day [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VvnJ1x	14:32
Brainstorm	Updates for Laos: +112 cases (now 933) since a day ago	14:39
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Worst is yet to come’: Google CEO Sundar Pichai on India’s Covid-19 situation → https://is.gd/d5RjM9	14:42
pwr22	This reminds me I'm due to do my next quick test	15:06
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Malaysia reports first case of Indian COVID-19 variant → https://is.gd/S8jSIF	15:13
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Mounting desperation in Cambodia amid COVID lockdown → https://is.gd/HqVmwH	15:23
Brainstorm	Updates for Timor-Leste: +48 cases (now 2444), +1 deaths (now 4) since 5 hours ago	15:41
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Vitamin D sources: Here’s what you need to know about staying healthy in pandemic → https://is.gd/n2hDxl	15:43
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s prime minister Modi has suffered a rare political defeat in a key state election in West Bengal, amid signs of a voter backlash over his handling of the coronavirus disaster → https://is.gd/vI6zXo	16:04
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Half a million CoronaVac doses more delivered to Ukraine → https://is.gd/tgu268	16:14
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Communist Party of China social media account faces backlash in China after mocking India’s COVID deaths → https://is.gd/OqgV3D	16:24
Brainstorm	Updates for Germany: +16550 cases (now 3.4 million) since 20 hours ago	17:02
summonner	you get covid, and You get covid, YOU get covid - - YOU ALL GET COVID! audience goes wild	17:35
LjL	O.o	17:36
Brainstorm	New from Reddit (test): Sunday 02 May 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/nqBWt0	17:57
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Italian police arrest two anti-vaxxers for fire bombing of vaccination hub → https://is.gd/kTEiTQ	18:07
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +6575 cases (now 1.2 million), +20 deaths (now 24275) since 22 hours ago	18:16
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: How many cases in your area?: Explore the data on coronavirus in the UK and find out how many cases there are in your area. → https://is.gd/8rLBbe	18:27
CoronaBot	/r/covid19: Pre-pandemic SARS-CoV-2 potential natural immunity among population of the Democratic Republic of Congo (80 votes) \| https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.28.21256243v1 \| https://redd.it/n36g6x	19:22
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: EXPLAINER: Why India's pandemic data is vastly undercounted: Even after more than a year of devastating coronavirus surges across the world, the intensity and scale of India's current crisis stands out, with patients desperate for short supplies of oxygen, pleas for help from overwhelmed hospitals, and images of body bags and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mSDtOB	19:39
Brainstorm	Updates for Italy: +9145 cases (now 4.0 million), +144 deaths (now 121177) since a day ago	19:43
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: May Day protesters demand more job protections amid pandemic → https://is.gd/TdVEKh	19:59
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: South Africa to get first of 4.5 million Pfizer vaccine doses: South Africa will on Sunday take delivery of the first batch of its 4.5 million Pfizer coronavirus vaccines as the country readies to start ramping up immunisation. → https://is.gd/DWHfed	20:09
CoronaBot	/r/coronavirus: Italian police arrest two anti-vaxxers for fire bombing of vaccination hub (10020 votes) \| https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-police-arrest-coronavirus-vaccination-hub-bomb-brescia/ \| https://redd.it/n32y2t	20:17
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thousands flock to 'No More Lockdowns' rodeo in rural Alberta → https://is.gd/CcveV5	20:19
LjL	https://www.repstatic.it/content/nazionale/img/2021/05/02/184000303-31add771-eb2a-4c2a-874d-73e1f9876b80.jpg Piazza del Duomo in Milan today after Inter won the national championship	20:32
LjL	de-facto ↑	20:32
rpifan	without a mask	20:35
rpifan	wonderful	20:35
RioGrande	we all get what we deserve	20:35
LjL	except that includes people who didn't take part in such things	20:36
LjL	so we don't	20:36
LjL	if only people who deserved the virus got the virus...	20:36
rpifan	yea	20:38
RioGrande	well, it's an indictment of our species, so... the royal "we"	20:44
RioGrande	if "we" can't control ourselves, then this disease will. The only reason the survival rate is so high is modern medical care	20:44
rpifan	yea	20:50
RioGrande	in India they had some massive festival, apparently, which kicked off the surge	20:53
Arsanerit	Why are they still playing football?	20:59
Brainstorm	Updates for Germany: +15162 cases (now 3.4 million) since 20 hours ago — France: +100 deaths (now 104806) since 18 hours ago	21:04
LjL	Arsanerit, pretty sure they'll be playing football in italy right before the armageddon	21:11
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Guatemalan Government Paid Q614.5M to Russia for the Sputnik Vaccine but Sent the money to "broker" that now they can't locate or communicate with, leaving the country without a vaccine budget → https://is.gd/NCB19U	21:20
LjL	ugh	21:21
RioGrande	as a species, we get what we deserve. So does anyone aligning with Russia.	21:25
Arsanerit	Is trading with Russia "aligning" with Russia?	21:30
Arsanerit	I don't know what happened in Guatamala but I don't think it's fair to say anyone who buys anything from Russia "gets what [they] deserve".	21:31
Arsanerit	I have a souvenir komi shaman doll from Russia and it's very nice :)	21:32
LjL	<RioGrande> in India they had some massive festival, apparently, which kicked off the surge ← no, it most definitely wasn't what kicked off the surge. the timings just don't match. it may certainly make it worse though	21:34
RioGrande	seems like it didn't help: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/12/india-thousands-join-hindu-festival-ritual-bath-as-covid-surges	21:35
RioGrande	Arsanerit - do you think being a victim of theft counts as "trading with Russia" lol	21:36
Arsanerit	RioGrande: No.	21:36
Arsanerit	Nor does it count as aligning.	21:37
Arsanerit	I hope they can find the "broker" or get help from someone who can.	21:37
LjL	Guatemala is a very poor country. i imagine they "got" vaccines from whoever seemed to offer an affordable price	21:38
LjL	%wa gdp per capita guatemala, italy	21:38
Brainstorm	LjL, Wolfram\|Alpha (Guatemala Italy \| GDP \| nominal per capita): Results: Guatemala \| $4620 per year per person Italy \| $33190 per year per person (2019 estimates) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=gdp+per+capita+guatemala%2C+italy	21:38
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: India coronavirus: New record deaths as virus engulfs India: India records another dire milestone, but the government continues to resist a full lockdown. → https://is.gd/y20RR2	21:51
CoronaBot	/r/covid19: On the Origin of SARS-CoV-2: Did Cell Culture Experiments Lead to Increased Virulence of the Progenitor Virus for Humans? (80 votes) \| https://iv.iiarjournals.org/content/35/3/1313 \| https://redd.it/n2tow3	21:59
Brainstorm	Updates for Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10634) since 22 hours ago	22:12
CoronaBot	/r/covid19: Learning loss due to school closures during the COVID-19 pandemic (82 votes) \| https://www.pnas.org/content/118/17/e2022376118 \| https://redd.it/n367dc	22:48
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. Vaccinations May Be Reaching A Tipping Point In Fight Against Virus, Experts Say → https://is.gd/91BA2y	23:22
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +7342 cases (now 1.2 million) since 20 hours ago	23:39
de-facto	Canada is not doing too well most recently	23:44
spybert	hmm, I think I'll look that up.	23:58
LjL	i don't know why the bot is not reporting India. i added it to the list of places to report a couple of days ago but it has not done so	23:59

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