| de-facto | LjL, i just played around with porting it to python 2.7 and with my old version of pdfminer it works with the tests on python 2.7 | 00:00 |
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| de-facto | https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/3ab1e13e7a014e889c6f04e494fdd4d8 | 00:00 |
| de-facto | python-pdfminer 20140328+dfsg-1 | 00:01 |
| LjL | i'll give it a try but i'm not sure pdfminer from *2014* (current versions are 2019) will work much better, with the average pdf, than pypdf2... | 00:02 |
| de-facto | its the ancient version from ubuntu 18.04, i was too lazy to reinstall yet | 00:04 |
| de-facto | (shame on me) | 00:04 |
| LjL | yeah it's the latest version that works with python 2 also | 00:04 |
| LjL | now i'll have to wait because for some reason poetry likes to reinstall *every* dependency when i change one | 00:05 |
| LjL | which is probably fixed, i bet, in the *current* poetry, the one that only works with python 3... :P | 00:05 |
| de-facto | oh that sounds risky, dont break Brainstorm... | 00:05 |
| de-facto | can you make a backup before ? | 00:05 |
| LjL | backups are for the weak! | 00:05 |
| de-facto | famous last words... | 00:06 |
| LjL | but jokes aside, it's already running now, i have to wait for it to finish :P | 00:06 |
| * de-facto keeps fingers crossed... | 00:06 | |
| LjL | well, it didn't work :( | 00:07 |
| de-facto | Braaaaaiiiiinnnstoooorrrmmmm | 00:08 |
| LjL | i'm confused, it's trying to add pdfminer.six even though it's not in the pyproject file | 00:08 |
| de-facto | hmm i thought thats Python3 ? | 00:09 |
| LjL | de-facto, which might be why it doesn't work! look what a mess this looks like :P https://paste.ee/p/O3Hbw | 00:09 |
| de-facto | uuff | 00:12 |
| LjL | anyway, turns out pdfminer is actually already installed | 00:14 |
| LjL | or it's pdfminer.six, anyway i can import pdfminer | 00:14 |
| LjL | yeah it's actually pdfminer.six version 20191110 even though it's not in the pyproject file, but maybe it's a dependency of pypdf2 | 00:14 |
| de-facto | ah well then maybe it works with that one? | 00:16 |
| de-facto | btw i also "stole" the two functions ensure_text and ensure_str from six | 00:16 |
| de-facto | yeah pdfminer.six 20191110 is the latest version for python 2.7 | 00:20 |
| LjL | de-facto, it seeeeems to work, except in the case of http://www.orimi.com/pdf-test.pdf it gives no title (perhaps because there is no prominent/bolded text), but it works with https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/testfiles/resources/pdf/dummy.pdf | 00:26 |
| LjL | on the other hand, with http://www.orimi.com/pdf-test.pdf PyPDF2 complains the file "has not been decrypted", as if it was a password-protected file | 00:26 |
| LjL | also PyPDF2 just has a structure with "info" attributes including a title, it doesn't try to guess from the text | 00:26 |
| LjL | i guess i'll try to make a fallback from PyPDF2 to this one | 00:27 |
| de-facto | hmmm | 00:31 |
| de-facto | so if pdftitle fails it would look at the metadata? | 00:32 |
| LjL | i was going with the other way around | 00:32 |
| LjL | if metadata exist and can be read, it should be the first choice | 00:32 |
| de-facto | maybe, i am not sure authors always take care of that, acutally i have found very interesting things in there! | 00:33 |
| de-facto | not everyone is using LaTeX | 00:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, urr i've made a change that might have fixed PyPDF2 parsing in the first place :P but look at what it gives as the title of this one | 00:34 |
| LjL | %title https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/testfiles/resources/pdf/dummy.pdf | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.w3.org: None (Evangelos Vlachogiannis) | 00:34 |
| LjL | i guess maybe that's technically the title! also i guess that since it's "{title} ({author})" in the bot, if title==none i should try pdftitle instead | 00:35 |
| de-facto | yes that makes sense i guess | 00:35 |
| de-facto | author still might be populated (as in this case) | 00:36 |
| de-facto | so maybe inject title if its empty via pdftitle? | 00:36 |
| LjL | yeah | 00:36 |
| LjL | but also if exception | 00:37 |
| de-facto | indeed | 00:37 |
| * de-facto is glad Brainstorm is still alive ! | 00:38 | |
| * Brainstorm starts to shine de-facto with some perspicacious extolment | 00:38 | |
| de-facto | lol | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19: Police raid Indian hospital and accuse doctors of 'false scaremongering' over low oxygen supplies → https://is.gd/HO3tQx | 00:40 |
| LjL | %title https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/testfiles/resources/pdf/dummy.pdf | 00:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.w3.org: Dummy PDF file (Evangelos Vlachogiannis) | 00:43 |
| LjL | but i bet the other one still got nothing | 00:43 |
| LjL | %title http://www.orimi.com/pdf-test.pdf | 00:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the URL could not be loaded | 00:43 |
| de-facto | oh wow that looks very promising already | 00:46 |
| LjL | in general PDFs may improve a fair bit if just changing response.text to response.content fixes many of the PyPDF2 errors (which it may or it may not, but it fixed that one) | 00:47 |
| LjL | and pdftitle may take care of the rest | 00:47 |
| LjL | too bad ##coronalinks probably missed a ton | 00:47 |
| de-facto | huh? the second one should have got it in the metadata | 00:47 |
| LjL | and also too bad i must restart the bot after every chance because of the way the thing i've done is not a module but a module that other modules load ;( | 00:47 |
| LjL | de-facto, i'm afraid PyPDF2 still isn't loading that one | 00:48 |
| LjL | %title http://www.orimi.com/pdf-test.pdf | 00:48 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.orimi.com: Untitled | 00:48 |
| LjL | at least this way you can distinguish it from a failed-to-load | 00:48 |
| de-facto | that useful to distinguish that from a download error or such | 00:49 |
| LjL | %title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/Ausgaben/05_21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.rki.de: Epidemiologisches Bulletin 5/2021 (Robert Koch-Institut (RKI)) | 00:50 |
| de-facto | whoa awesome | 00:50 |
| notK | you guys know Covid-19 is a hoax right | 00:50 |
| notK | ? | 00:50 |
| LjL | good, that wasn't working last time (i'm grabbing files from the logs) | 00:50 |
| LjL | sure, that's why we're playing with bots instead | 00:51 |
| de-facto | lol | 00:52 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2821%2900677-2 | 01:13 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.thelancet.com: Interim findings from first-dose mass COVID-19 vaccination roll-out and COVID-19 hospital admissions in Scotland: a national prospective cohort study (Eleftheria Vasileiou PhD) | 01:13 |
| de-facto | this is really neat )) | 01:14 |
| LjL | and most of it is due to changing .text to .content :P | 01:14 |
| LjL | but i wouldn't have noticed that bug if i hadn't had a look at the whole thing | 01:14 |
| de-facto | %title https://zero.sci-hub.se/2402/42918900f8ac8d3aff2b430228ddd500/veres2013.pdf | 01:18 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From zero.sci-hub.se: Anthropogenic sources of VOC in a football stadium: Assessing human emissions in the atmosphere (Patrick R. Veres) | 01:18 |
| de-facto | even that works :) | 01:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vancouver airport in lockdown after deadly shooting | Suspects fired at police after slaying → https://is.gd/cH8tzs | 01:23 |
| de-facto | oO | 01:23 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Guillain-Barre syndrome following the first dose of the chimpanzee adenovirus-vectored COVID-19 vaccine, ChAdOx1 (80 votes) | https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351061456_Guillain-Barre_syndrome_following_the_first_dose_of_the_chimpanzee_adenovirus-vectored_COVID-19_vaccine_ChAdOx1 | https://redd.it/n8d866 | 01:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ghana: +95 cases (now 92951) since 2 days ago | 02:07 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> /r/coronavirus: New York average coronavirus positivity rate below 1.5% for 1st time since October (1004 votes) | 02:18 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> https://westchester.news12.com/new-york-average-coronavirus-positivity-rate-below-1-5-for-1st-time-since-october | https://redd.it/n8e1el | 02:18 |
| LjL | congratulations new york! please continue | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominican Rep.: +948 cases (now 271548), +9 deaths (now 3532) since 23 hours ago — France: +14937 cases (now 5.8 million), +138 deaths (now 106415) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6988 cases (now 1.6 million), +18 deaths (now 17451) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +9729 cases (now 3.5 million) since 23 hours ago | 02:32 |
| Aparajito | well NYC is going full reopen, if it hasn't already | 02:48 |
| LjL | eh, well, that's what everyone with low numbers is doing | 02:50 |
| rpifan | we will see | 02:50 |
| LjL | but at least maybe they're doing it with a reasonable amount of vaccines deployed? | 02:50 |
| LjL | you know maybe there's no point being envious, but even though the EU is receiving all the same amount of vaccines (per population), somehow Latium here is already doing people over 50, and they *let them choose which vaccine to get* | 02:52 |
| LjL | here instead my parents got AZ, with no choice, just before they said "now everyone will be Pfizer" | 02:52 |
| LjL | with felt a bit... :| | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Mental health: Can you tell if someone is struggling?: Coronavirus has affected many people in different ways - how you would react if someone needed support. → https://is.gd/bVKcdf | 03:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Indian MP drinks cow urine to stave off Covid-19 as nation ravaged by virus → https://is.gd/3SLx5P | 03:22 |
| LjL-Outcasts | . | 03:23 |
| de-facto[m] | > . | 03:28 |
| de-facto[m] | .. | 03:28 |
| LjL | :P | 03:30 |
| LjL | i had to say something to make it join! | 03:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Egypt: +1138 cases (now 237410), +59 deaths (now 13904) since a day ago — Nigeria: +49 cases (now 165419) since a day ago — Guinea-Bissau: +2 cases (now 3741) since a day ago | 03:35 |
| LjL-Outcasts | /query de-facto | 04:07 |
| LjL-Outcasts | *ahem* | 04:07 |
| Aparajito | seems like now things are more dangerous in a way, as so many people have an excuse to not follow the rules | 04:10 |
| LjL | Aparajito, if they are fully vaccinated with mRNA, as it tends to be the case in America, honestly, their risk is just very low | 04:11 |
| Aparajito | yes, but even with mRNA I don't know who has been vaccinated and who hasn't | 04:12 |
| Aparajito | and even with mRNA I don't want to be exposed | 04:13 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Quantifying the relationship between SARS-CoV-2 viral load and infectiousness. (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.07.21256341v1 | https://redd.it/n8nk5n | 04:13 |
| Aparajito | another reason I wish they gave out rubber wristbands | 04:15 |
| LjL | eh | 04:16 |
| Aparajito | so I can see who around me seems to be vaccinated | 04:16 |
| LjL | i'm sure there would start to be a market for fake vaccine wristbands :P | 04:16 |
| Aparajito | i think the anti maskers and anti vacc-ers would not want to wear them | 04:17 |
| Aparajito | plus I'm so tired, of the endless pro-business, "reopen" BS | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India Covid: Kumbh Mela pilgrims turn into super-spreaders → https://is.gd/YdWEYO | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Medical journal slams Indian government for 'squandering' early success on COVID-19 → https://is.gd/qG1fJe | 04:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China probed weaponising coronaviruses in 2015: Reports → https://is.gd/z9QWRE | 05:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese scientists discussed weaponising coronavirus 5 years before pandemic: Report → https://is.gd/fz35ea | 05:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +2258 cases (now 1.0 million), +40 deaths (now 24551) since 23 hours ago | 06:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +58 deaths (now 84833) since 22 hours ago | 06:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: Worldwide network develops SARS-CoV-2 protocols for research laboratories: For the development of drugs or vaccines against COVID-19, research needs virus proteins of high purity. For most of the SARS-CoV-2 proteins, scientists at Goethe University Frankfurt and a total of 36 partner laboratories have now developed protocols that [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rIIqGY | 06:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India: Anti-COVID-19 oral drug developed by DRDO, Dr Reddy’s approved for emergency use → https://is.gd/DkqBSW | 07:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: COVID-19: Can your coronavirus jabs be from two different manufacturers? → https://is.gd/jms6fX | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bogota, Colombia: +5725 cases (now 831296), +120 deaths (now 16470) since 23 hours ago — Atlantico, Colombia: +1806 cases (now 250021), +79 deaths (now 7512) since 23 hours ago — Alagoas, Brazil: +1190 cases (now 180103), +17 deaths (now 4381) since 23 hours ago — Saint Petersburg, Russia: +729 cases (now 422211), +37 deaths (now 13522) since 23 hours ago | 07:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Outpouring of support from US for India, Covid-19 help touches USD half a billion → https://is.gd/8sn5i4 | 07:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +500851 cases (now 22.7 million), +3870 deaths (now 244875) since 23 hours ago | 08:33 |
| Robinson | Fuck India lol | 08:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese scientists discussed weaponizing coronavirus in 2015: A paper titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons suggested that World War Three would be fought with biological weapons. → https://is.gd/IfH0FY | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | May 10, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/TlSdF3 | 09:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Antigua and Barb.: +1 cases (now 1233) since 7 days ago — Timor-Leste: +1 deaths (now 5) since 16 hours ago | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sierra Leone: +17 cases (now 4085) since 5 days ago | 09:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: BioNTech to build mRNA manufacturing site in Singapore → https://is.gd/m986qk | 09:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 'Vaccine tourists' fly from abroad for injections on US beach: A long line of people snaked across the sand of Miami Beach, Florida, as dozens of travelers from Latin America waited their turn at a pop-up coronavirus vaccination booth. → https://is.gd/P19kt0 | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tamil Nadu, India: +28897 cases (now 1.4 million), +236 deaths (now 15648) since a day ago — West Bengal, India: +19441 cases (now 993159), +124 deaths (now 12327) since a day ago — Chandigarh, India: +895 cases (now 50207), +10 deaths (now 568) since a day ago — Meghalaya, India: +418 cases (now 19720), +18 deaths (now 228) since a day ago | 10:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: With long Covid, history may be repeating itself among people of color: It’s well-known now that people of color have shouldered a disproportionate burden in the Covid-19 pandemic. Now researchers and clinicians are increasingly concerned that history is repeating itself in the… → https://is.gd/7hTuhp | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: When COVID hit, China was ready to tell its version of the story → https://is.gd/d1ah0B | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Undetected early heart damage raises risk of death in hospitalized COVID-19 patients: Hospitalized COVID-19 patients with impaired first-phase ejection fraction were nearly 5 times more likely to die compared to patients with healthier measures of this early, often undetected sign of heart failure, according to new research [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Nr9zId | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Taiwan: +15 cases (now 1199) since a day ago | 11:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Don’t abandon mask wearing in schools, say health experts: Covid rules in England requiring secondary school pupils to wear face coverings in classrooms could be dropped from mid-May, despite warnings from health experts and teaching unions.Education... → https://is.gd/TfcnZY | 12:21 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Nomina Commissione esaminatrice selezione pubblica, per titoli ed esami, riservata a persone con disabilità, per tirocini formativi di 6 mesi, assunzione a tempo pieno ed indeterminato di 6 unità personale della PCM - “Addetto ai servizi interni”, B - F1 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/nomina-commissione-esaminatrice-selezione-pubblica-titoli-ed-esami-riservata-persone-con ) | 12:31 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +1514 cases (now 775027), +38 deaths (now 11972) since 22 hours ago | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on the daily number of new reported COVID-19 cases and deaths by EU/EEA country: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. Each row/entry contains the number of new cases and deaths reported per day and per country in the EU/EEA. → https://is.gd/tBASDi | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on COVID-19 vaccination in the EU/EEA: The downloadable data files contain information on COVID-19 vaccination in the EU/EEA. The data are presented in the Vaccine Tracker and collected through The European Surveillance System (TESSy). → https://is.gd/tmWhQm | 13:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Covid-19: Key anti-fungal drug scarcity new concern | Hyderabad News | 10MAY21 → https://is.gd/WL5P86 | 14:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Study claims real global deaths are twice official figures: Global deaths from covid-19 are not 3.27 million, as official figures suggest, but 6.93 million up to 3 May, a new analysis based on changes in overall mortality claims.1The virus is claiming about... → https://is.gd/cdSu9p | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +3683 cases (now 674296), +4 deaths (now 10710) since 16 hours ago — Iceland: +13 cases (now 6519) since 2 days ago | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Italian woman gets six doses of Pfizer vaccine in error: A 23-year-old Italian woman was under observation in a hospital in Tuscany after receiving six doses of the Pfizer vaccine in error, news agency AGI reported Monday. → https://is.gd/2gu7oP | 14:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: BioNTech says 'no evidence' its jabs need adapting for variants: German firm BioNTech said Monday that the COVID-19 vaccine it developed with Pfizer does not require any modifications at the moment to protect against variants of the virus. → https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-biontech-evidence-jabs-variants.html | 15:06 |
| de-facto | hmmm | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: India's COVID battle stokes vaccine worries in Africa: Africa is watching aghast as India struggles with coronavirus, fearing a long-running shortfall in the Indian-made vaccines that it needs to help shield its people. → https://is.gd/vofrZZ | 15:16 |
| Pug123456 | %cases vietnam | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | Pug123456: In Vietnam, there have been 3444 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 35 deaths (1.0% of cases) as of 6 hours ago. 3.0 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 15:26 |
| Pug123456 | %cases hungary | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | Pug123456: In Hungary, there have been 792386 confirmed cases (8.1% of the population) and 28693 deaths (3.6% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 5.5 million tests were performed (14.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Hungary for time series data. | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Novavax sees delay in seeking emergency use of its Covid-19 shot; AstraZeneca CEO’s pay causes a stink → https://is.gd/sPnoM6 | 15:27 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Preliminary report on SARS‐CoV‐2 Spike mutation T478K (80 votes) | https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.27062 | https://redd.it/n906x6 | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +9127 cases (now 403794), +139 deaths (now 3859) since a day ago | 16:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Bring back your empty oxygen tanks to help conquer Covid, Nepal urges Everest climbers → https://is.gd/allZ5N | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: The French tech whiz bringing COVID data to the masses: At just 25 years old, Guillaume Rozier is devising the most popular tools to emerge during France's COVID-19 pandemic—the data websites charting the costs of the crisis, and the progress in the fight to end it. → https://is.gd/Po8Gr4 | 16:45 |
| rpifan_ | i think the europeans are really running to fast | 16:48 |
| rpifan_ | to save the tourism industry | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Malaysia tightens virus curbs ahead of Eid holiday: Muslim-majority Malaysia will tighten coronavirus curbs across the whole country ahead of the Eid al-Fitr holiday as cases spiral, Prime Minister Muhyiddin Yassin said Monday. → https://is.gd/8NLCES | 16:56 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: In Japan, where less than 1% of the population is fully vaccinated, protests to cancel or postpone Olympics intensify (10382 votes) | https://www.insider.com/japan-protests-against-olympic-games-as-covid-spreads-no-vaccines-2021-5 | https://redd.it/n913zt | 17:07 |
| oxek | the olympics are still on??? | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: Thoughts on the "integration of coronavirus sequence into the human genome" paper. It's an unlikely idea, but not a crazy one. But it's being cited as so-called evidence by anti-vaccine activists, which is an ugly business.https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/10/integration-into-the-human-genome → https://is.gd/vn3ZCo | 17:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +45 deaths (now 84847) since 20 hours ago | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: Starting now at #Midas2021 - a fantastic workshop on using @nextstrain for #SARSCoV2 genomic epi with @wcassias & @huddlej!Register to watch live or on-demand & learn how @nextstrain could help interpret your own sequences!https://midasnetwork.us/#openscience #opensource → https://is.gd/TRsf8k | 17:41 |
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| Brainstorm | New from Nussenzweig Lab: @NussenzweigL: Our new manuscript showing persistent antibody evolution 1 year after infection resulting in highly variant resistant antibodies is up on BioRix - great collaboration with @PaulBieniasz, @theodora_nyc and @bjorkmanlab → https://is.gd/nP5ejU | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +5398 cases (now 1.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Jersey: +1 cases (now 3235) since 7 days ago | 18:05 |
| LjL | Hey I just remembered... Am I wrong or you're not supposed to drink any alcohol between Pfizer doses? If so what is the rationale, and is it true for AZ too? | 18:05 |
| oxek | the best bet is to just not drink alcohol at all | 18:22 |
| oxek | from a health perspective, there is no safe dose of it | 18:22 |
| pwr22 | Isn't there evidence that people who drink a small amount of alcohol regularly actually live longer with less heart conditions? | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: FDA In Brief: FDA to Hold Meeting of its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee to Discuss Pediatric Use of COVID-19 Vaccines → https://is.gd/LiwLHA | 18:25 |
| oxek | pwr22: no | 18:26 |
| oxek | there was one report, which ended up being horribly misreported by media, which stated that those who drink a little alcohol are better off than those who drink none. Problem is that those who drink none are usually people who are ordered not to drink any, because they are very sick, on medications, recovering alcoholics with various conditions, etc. which doesn't really help health outcomes. | 18:28 |
| de-facto | LjL, i think quite some of the lipid nano particles arrive at the liver and produce s-protein there too, so probably should be avoided to disturb that with alcohol | 18:28 |
| oxek | if you're a fully healthy person, and you drink zero alcohol, then your health outcomes are better off than a healthy person who drinks any amount of alcohol above zero | 18:28 |
| de-facto | but also in general, afaik alcohol produces quite some toxic waste when its oxidized, so i would assume it also can affect the immune system in general | 18:29 |
| LjL | de-facto: I wonder why I remember it about Pfizer but not AZ though... Maybe just selective memory | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +1765 cases (now 720998), +49 deaths (now 9125) since a day ago — Papua New Guinea: +456 cases (now 12086) since 4 days ago — US Virgin Is: +71 cases (now 3223) since 5 days ago — Hong Kong: +7 cases (now 11819) since 6 hours ago | 18:30 |
| de-facto | LjL, maybe it was stated explicitly for the mRNA vaccines prominently? | 18:30 |
| oxek | overall a really bad idea to be drinking alcohol when there's a worldwide pandemic out there | 18:30 |
| LjL | Yeah maybe, hence I wonder why (if true) | 18:30 |
| LjL | oxek: yes also to drive cars and a number of other things | 18:31 |
| oxek | when you're getting vaccinated, they won't explicitly tell you to not smoke crack or do meth or anything like that either. It's kind of expected that you're not gonna do those things. | 18:31 |
| LjL | I didn't ask for a lecture on how bad alcohol is in general | 18:31 |
| LjL | What a silly comparison | 18:32 |
| oxek | you're right, alcohol is way worse than those ones | 18:32 |
| de-facto | https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-alcoho-idUSKBN28J239 | 18:32 |
| LjL | Whatever, I don't need to get annoyed again since I went to bed with a headachd fom being annoyed on IRC last night | 18:32 |
| de-facto | it also was mentioned prominetly for sputnik, i even remember we talked about it here at some time | 18:32 |
| LjL | Maybe the most important piece of advice is "stay away from IRC during pandemic" and I've definitely failed to follow it | 18:32 |
| de-facto | because of the cliche for the Russians that they love a good drink | 18:33 |
| de-facto | i think one key word is oxidative stress on immune system cells | 18:35 |
| de-facto | btw that would also fit together with potentially increasing immune capabilities by antioxidants | 18:37 |
| de-facto | free radicals are very harmful to many cells of the immune system afaik | 18:38 |
| oxek | good thing human bodies produce vast amounts of uric acid then | 18:42 |
| oxek | always make me smile when people try to sell anti-oxidants | 18:43 |
| de-facto | i think anti-oxidants are an important part of healthy nutrition, but of course should not exaggerated because some of the immune system functions actually employ oxidative agents for killing cells (e.g. cancer) etc | 18:46 |
| de-facto | anyhow increasing the stress with additional oxidative stress on immune cells themselves may potentially reduce their function and possibly then lead to less immunity from vaccination | 18:47 |
| de-facto | same goes for not enough sleep, afaik for influenza vaccinations sleep deficit could reduce efficacy by half or such in extreme cases | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: EU's COVID health pass to be operational in June: The EU is "fully on track" to ensure all its citizens and residents are able to have a free COVID health pass next month to ease travel, a spokesman said Monday. → https://is.gd/LzYJTJ | 18:48 |
| de-facto | not sure about nutrition, but i assume any deficit in nutrition potentially also could limit cellular functions (such as immune system cells), if the deficit affects those particular cell types | 18:48 |
| de-facto | i think its even some kind of common sense, i mean if one would get sick one also would try to get enough sleep, eat healthy and not drink loads of alcohol or party etc | 18:50 |
| de-facto | the reasons probably being quite similar, the potential effects on the immune system itself | 18:50 |
| oxek | I mean, good nutrition, fit body, and generally healthy lifestyle will help against any disease, and help with the effectiveness of any vaccine | 18:51 |
| de-facto | but i have to admit that is my speculation on it, would be interesting to hear the perspective of an immunologist on that topic | 18:52 |
| de-facto | i think so, hence the opposite of those potentially harm the effectiveness of vaccinations | 18:53 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00126-0/fulltext | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.thelancet.com: Could a good night's sleep improve COVID-19 vaccine efficacy? - The Lancet Respiratory Medicine | 18:57 |
| Blankspace | Hey | 18:58 |
| Blankspace | I think I've been sick with covid | 18:58 |
| Blankspace | Not sure | 18:59 |
| de-facto | how are you now Blankspace ? | 19:04 |
| Blankspace | I am much better now. | 19:05 |
| de-facto | very glad to hear that :) | 19:05 |
| de-facto | did your sense of smell return? | 19:06 |
| de-facto | (it might take quite a while) | 19:06 |
| Blankspace | Yes :) . It has returned somewhat. | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Puerto Rico: +2 deaths (now 2374) since 21 hours ago | 19:07 |
| de-facto | nice Blankspace those things need time, still always be careful, you never know your level of immunity | 19:08 |
| Blankspace | Yes my family member had fever for 10 days | 19:09 |
| Blankspace | I recovered soon | 19:09 |
| de-facto | how long since you got first signs of symptoms? | 19:09 |
| Blankspace | It's been 15 days now | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: PM urges people to live responsibly with Covid as England's lockdown eases → https://is.gd/2evIWc | 19:10 |
| de-facto | nice that makes sense with you telling you feeling better already | 19:11 |
| Blankspace | Yes. I let it burn the virus lol inside my body | 19:13 |
| de-facto | https://media.springernature.com/full/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41415-020-2228-9/MediaObjects/41415_2020_2228_Fig1_HTML.jpg from https://www.nature.com/articles/s41415-020-2228-9 | 19:13 |
| de-facto | illustrative graphic of the assumed timeline for killing of such an infection and rising some antibody responses | 19:14 |
| de-facto | is that might mean you currently might be in the phase where more generic IgM antibodies change place with highly specific IgG antibodies, but you never really know without getting an antibody test, its an illustrative graphic for average behavior over a large amount of individually different cases | 19:18 |
| de-facto | have you ever gotten any test? | 19:18 |
| Blankspace | Yes rapid antigen test | 19:23 |
| Blankspace | But it came negative | 19:23 |
| de-facto | yeah those are sometimes not accurate, when did you do that test? | 19:30 |
| Blankspace | 2-3 days after getting fever | 19:31 |
| de-facto | ok so well in the symptomatic phase then | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Luxembourg: +278 cases (now 68431), +3 deaths (now 804) since 3 days ago — Italy: +5077 cases (now 4.1 million), +198 deaths (now 123031) since 23 hours ago — Israel: +61 cases (now 838953), +1 deaths (now 6378) since 23 hours ago | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Baric Lab: @Baric_Lab: Our #panCoV vaccine study is now out in @nature . In this study with Bart Haynes and colleagues at @TheDHVI , we demonstrate proof-of-concept that SARS-CoV-2 RBD nanoparticle vaccines elicit broadly neutralizing antibodies. @David_RMartinez @LPVictorTse https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03594-0 → https://is.gd/WmpVwz | 19:32 |
| de-facto | i dont know exactly but i get the suspicion that there might be quite some false negative rapid antigen tests, and that is also what i hear in the virology podcasts, these tests being quite insensitive (require a big viral load to work) | 19:33 |
| de-facto | also it is extremely important to do them in the correct temperature range the manufacturer defined | 19:34 |
| de-facto | anyhow just stay careful and assume you still can get it, just to be on the safe side | 19:36 |
| de-facto | Blankspace, how is it going in your area there, is it still increaseing, or on plateau, or maybe even decreasing already? | 19:37 |
| de-facto | the number of infections i mean | 19:37 |
| qkall | i could be wrong but is wore the rapid tests were like 30% inaccurate?? or maybe that was teh first versions | 19:37 |
| de-facto | i think there are many different ones on the market, some may be more accurate than others | 19:38 |
| qkall | ah okay | 19:38 |
| Blankspace | Yes people here are getting confused between typhoid and covid | 19:38 |
| Blankspace | Doctors say to get typhoid test done | 19:39 |
| Blankspace | And many doctors just don't sit in the clinic because of covid fear | 19:39 |
| Blankspace | So very few doctors are available | 19:39 |
| de-facto | yeah be careful and practice distancing | 19:42 |
| de-facto | i can imagine it is quite difficult also for non-covid medical conditions to get a treatment right now in India | 19:42 |
| Blankspace | Yes | 19:43 |
| Blankspace | It is very tough times | 19:43 |
| de-facto | i really hope that the situation will get less tense soon for you there | 19:44 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.covid19india.org/ <-- it looks like officially counted numbers are not rising as fast anymore though, depending on region even plateauing or declining already | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.covid19india.org: Coronavirus Outbreak in India - covid19india.org | 19:45 |
| de-facto | so maybe there are first signs of hope in the fight against this damn virus in India | 19:46 |
| de-facto | question is how accurate those numbers reflect the reality there in India | 19:46 |
| ecks | wouldn't be surprised if they're just maxing out test capability | 19:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Mumbai model’: Indian city thwarting COVID, slowly but steadily | Coronavirus pandemic News → https://is.gd/xFROvE | 19:54 |
| de-facto | ecks, yeah but positivity rate for testing also somewhat plateaued according to those numbers there | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Seychelles: +1799 cases (now 8172) since 6 days ago | 20:09 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-designates-india-variant-being-global-concern-2021-05-10/ | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.reuters.com: WHO classifies India variant as being of global concern | Reuters | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: WHO says virus strain in India a 'variant of concern' as Europe eases curbs: Schools and stores reopened in parts of Europe on Monday, easing out of months of COVID-19 lockdowns, but the devastating outbreak raged on across the sub-continent and health experts declared the virus mutation in India a "variant of concern". → https://is.gd/ea0XsX | 20:16 |
| de-facto | "The B.1.617 variant is the fourth variant to be designated as being of global concern and requiring heightened tracking and analysis. The others are those first detected in Britain, South Africa and Brazil. | 20:16 |
| de-facto | " | 20:16 |
| de-facto | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineage_B.1.617 | 20:19 |
| de-facto | hmm cant find it on the who website, that site is a ugly mess | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: New Yorkers start to return to offices, in hybrid mode for now: From large corporations calling employees back to business district skyscrapers to the return of lunchtime lines at salad bars: signs that workers are returning to New York's offices, albeit in "hybrid" mode for now, are multiplying. → https://is.gd/uUvbbh | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sudan: +186 cases (now 34241) since 3 days ago — Gabon: +133 cases (now 23565) since 2 days ago — France: +315 deaths (now 106684) since 23 hours ago | 20:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Women Get Help for Heart Attacks Later Than Men: A new study finds younger women with chest pain were treated less urgently than men their age, lowering likelihood of receiving standard tests for diagnosing a heart attack. → https://is.gd/4pn1QO | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +13984 cases (now 3.6 million), +103 deaths (now 78895) since 3 days ago — Germany: +59 deaths (now 84861) since 23 hours ago | 20:59 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Convocazione del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 17 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/convocazione-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-17/16807 ) | 21:06 | |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Consiglio dei Ministri n. 17 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/consiglio-dei-ministri-n-17/16808 ) | 21:06 | |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: COVID-19 vaccines: further evidence of success (80 votes) | https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-vaccines-further-evidence-of-success?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_source=c7ce497f-c44b-4d68-b568-707e0c6c5a4f&utm_content=immediately | https://redd.it/n982xg | 21:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 8 maggio 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19 - Modalita' diaccesso/uscita di ospiti e visitatori presso le struttureresidenziali della rete territoriale. (21A02909) → https://is.gd/vTJNSz | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +5497 cases (now 1.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +8 deaths (now 10714) since 23 hours ago | 21:36 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Novavax Announces Positive Preclinical Data for Combination Influenza and COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate (81 votes) | https://ir.novavax.com/news-releases/news-release-details/novavax-announces-positive-preclinical-data-combination | https://redd.it/n947r3 | 21:51 |
| rpifan | lol ok thats too damn much | 22:07 |
| rpifan | you aint getting me to take a darned flu / covid vaccine | 22:07 |
| rpifan | forget it | 22:07 |
| rpifan | thats pushign it | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: This Summer's VIPs: Vaccinated, Immunized People: At events ranging from casual backyard barbecues to more formal parties, concerts, weddings, and other gatherings, vaccination may often be the ticket to admission. → https://is.gd/xfbrRt | 22:08 |
| Arsanerit | rpifan: why not? | 22:09 |
| rpifan | its too much | 22:09 |
| rpifan | you are forcing ppl to take an already hated vaccine | 22:09 |
| rpifan | the flu vaccine is probaly the least used of the vaccines | 22:09 |
| rpifan | the one with the most distrust | 22:10 |
| rpifan | the one that even i wont take | 22:10 |
| rpifan | and im happy to take the pneumovax and others | 22:10 |
| rpifan | and eventually the chinese covid | 22:10 |
| Arsanerit | I took the flu vaccine for the first time last December. | 22:13 |
| rpifan | i considered it | 22:14 |
| rpifan | i evena sked my doctor | 22:14 |
| rpifan | and they said they didnt have enough | 22:14 |
| rpifan | and i said ok screw it | 22:14 |
| Arsanerit | I went through the Betriebsarzt. | 22:15 |
| rpifan | i have a hausarzt | 22:18 |
| rpifan | i need to see him every 3 months | 22:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Shannon McKearnan: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://is.gd/bnKPpU | 23:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for Emergency Use in Adolescents in Another Important Action in Fight Against Pandemic: The FDA expanded the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for the prevention of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5w2xaR | 23:13 |
| de-facto | with a known average reproduction number of R~1.3-1.5 the seasonal flu would not have a chance to reproduce over the same transmission paths than SARS-CoV-2 with a reproduction number of R=2.5-4 | 23:15 |
| de-facto | hence it was quite clear, when COVID was being somewhat contained in the winter (due to NPIs) the flu would not really have a chance | 23:16 |
| de-facto | cases for seasonal infuenza infections were between 7-35 per week in whole of Germany this winter | 23:20 |
| rpifan | yea | 23:22 |
| rpifan | im a fan of eternal quarantine | 23:22 |
| de-facto | well there are also some negative effects being discussed | 23:23 |
| rpifan | like | 23:24 |
| de-facto | for example children usually train their immune system in the kindergarden and schools with their common colds | 23:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: FDA authorizes Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine for use in adolescents: The FDA has agreed to let adolescents between the ages of 12 and 15 be vaccinated with the Pfizer and BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine, making it the first vaccine to be… → https://is.gd/gIYock | 23:24 |
| de-facto | so their immune system is in constant state of fighting off some respiratory disease, hence constantly activated and trained | 23:25 |
| de-facto | with them now isolated due to covid they also dont have the stimulation by these more harmless pathogens hence their immune system might not be trained as much anymore and not being in that activated state | 23:26 |
| rpifan | hm | 23:26 |
| rpifan | fair enough | 23:26 |
| rpifan | then we should force children | 23:26 |
| rpifan | into kindgertens | 23:26 |
| rpifan | 6 hours a day | 23:26 |
| de-facto | then when they open schools children might possibly even be more susceptible to such respiratory diseases and also COVID than if they would not have been isolated | 23:26 |
| rpifan | well force kids to go to the playground | 23:27 |
| rpifan | and adults can stay at home | 23:27 |
| de-facto | i am not saying that schools should be opened during a pandemic, i am only saying that there also are unwanted side effects from lockdowns in regards to health | 23:27 |
| rpifan | forever | 23:27 |
| de-facto | given how often adults also catch the colds being brought home by their kids from school and kindergarden (i heard that from some that have children) one also could assume that would happen with covid if they stay open during the waves | 23:28 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> /r/coronavirus: No evidence that Pfizer vaccine needs updating for variants, says BioNTech (1008 votes) | 23:34 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> https://www.thejournal.ie/no-evidence-pfizer-vaccine-update-variants-5433235-May2021/ | https://redd.it/n94zxm | 23:34 |
| LjL | so they've made their choice, they're not going in Moderna's direction | 23:34 |
| LjL | which i can understand, with their 75% efficacy and 97% against severe disease with B.1.351 | 23:34 |
| LjL | and the huge new contracts the EU did with them | 23:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: FDA OKs Pfizer COVID-19 Vaccine For 12-15 Age Group: Pfizer said in late March that clinical trials found "100% efficacy and robust antibody responses" to the coronavirus in 12- to 15-year-olds. → https://is.gd/txe5bu | 23:35 |
| rpifan | with us old ppl ok vaccine ssure | 23:36 |
| rpifan | but im not abit concerns that by vaccinating kids we are cutting them off from some positive genetic mutations | 23:37 |
| rpifan | like the ppl who are hiv resistant | 23:37 |
| rpifan | due to the black plague and such | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +74 deaths (now 84891) since 21 hours ago | 23:40 |
| de-facto | rpifan, what do you mean with positive genetic mutations? | 23:53 |
| de-facto | the black plague did *kill* a lot of people, hence selected those that randomly were lucky enough to have some genetic profile that made them a bit more resistant to it, hence lowering their chances of fatal outcome compared to the unlucky ones that died before reproducing | 23:54 |
| de-facto | that does not mean it mutated their genes or such, it just means it killed *so many* people at one point in time that those that survived were selected for their pre-existing advantageous genetic profile against that particular selection (potentially being killed by the black plague) | 23:56 |
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