| LjL | [microbio] Variants of concern are overrepresented among post-vaccination breakthrough infections of SARS-CoV-2 in Washington State http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.05.23.21257679v1?rss=1 | 00:07 |
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| de-facto | thats weird, even B.1.1.7 | 00:33 |
| LjL | i don't find that weird | 00:33 |
| de-facto | "All 20 of 20 vaccine breakthrough cases were classified as variants of concern: 8 (40%) 88 B.1.1.7, 1 (5%) B.1.351, 2 (10%) B.1.427, 8 (40%) B.1.429, and 1 (5%) P.1" | 00:33 |
| LjL | the vaccine was found to protect against it, but if you find a protection of 90% with 10% or so CI, which is similar to 95% with 10% CI of the original... you will still have twice as many infected among the vaccinated | 00:33 |
| LjL | i don't think anyone ever said vaccines were *exactly* as protective against B.1.1.7 as the other ones | 00:34 |
| de-facto | yes thats true and B,1,1,7 is one of the most prevalent variants | 00:34 |
| de-facto | yet i would have intuitively thought that variants with immuno-escape capabilities would be more biased in the breakthrough group | 00:35 |
| de-facto | "Overall, variants of concern were proportionally over-represented in breakthrough cases, with the frequency of all VOCs in breakthrough increased 1.47-fold compared to the control group (95% CI [1.45, 1.50], p=0.001). Variants B.1.427, B.1.429, and B.1.1.7 were 3.38-fold (95% CI [0.90, 12.71], p= 0.119), 1.51-fold (95% CI [0.88, 95 2.59], p=0.203), and 1.29-fold (95% CI [0.75, 2.20], p=0.468) more common in breakthrough cases compared to controls" | 00:37 |
| de-facto | yeah i mean their case numbers are so low they barely can be representative of a majority, its more like a hint i guess | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: First reported cases of clots in large arteries causing stroke following COVID-19 vaccination: Clots in the arteries (arterial thrombosis) are the most common cause of stroke (ischaemic stroke) and have been reported in detail for the first time in young adults who received the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine in a letter [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/10G8JX | 00:39 |
| de-facto | "B.1.1.7 was the major variant circulating in our area during the study period. While it is noted that the introduction of E484K into the B.1.1.7 background has been shown to introduce reduced neutralization efficiency [14], this mutation was not present in any of our breakthrough B.1.1.7 cases, so we considered this strain as having similar neutralization efficiency as wild-type." | 00:41 |
| rpifan | thats really sad | 00:42 |
| LjL | what is sad | 00:45 |
| de-facto | breakthrough is something normal, as you said to be expected because there is no vaccine with 100.00% protection | 00:51 |
| de-facto | the interesting thing is how it changes the spectrum dependent on the mutations involved | 00:52 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRKZh_RXJC0 | 00:54 |
| de-facto | i.e. spectrum of variants prevalent compared to spectrum of breakthrough variants as the benchmark for the predictability by in vitro neutralization assays | 00:54 |
| de-facto | good link KREYREN, indeed vaccine efficacy is not easily comparable because it depends on where and when trials were done (and what variants circulated during that time) | 00:58 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> true, but i am still concerned about the blood clots and long-term side effects | 00:59 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> also would argue about the ethical trials to be done in more regions instead of just cherrypicking one and declaring it safe | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Long COVID places 'huge burden' on survivors' families, new research suggests: A new study by Cardiff University in collaboration with the University of Hertfordshire has revealed the huge "secondary burden" placed on those closest to people living with Long COVID. → https://is.gd/FvIZeQ | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid vaccine: 30 and 31-year-olds in England now invited → https://is.gd/DrWglK | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kazakhstan: +2174 cases (now 403541) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +2579 cases (now 1.6 million), +12 deaths (now 17697) since 22 hours ago — Bangladesh: +1675 cases (now 792196), +40 deaths (now 12441) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +1779 cases (now 4.5 million), +9 deaths (now 127863) since 22 hours ago | 02:39 |
| Bridgestorm | <CoronaBot> /r/coronavirus: Soldier who called on troops to refuse vaccine distribution faces mutiny related charge (10009 votes) | https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/soldier-who-called-on-troops-to-refuse-vaccine-distribution-faces-mutiny-related-charge/ | https://redd.it/nkpi85 | 02:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @adrienne_dunn: RT by @Dereklowe: I spoke with @Dereklowe about the role of SM-102 in the Moderna vaccine and how, despite claims made by conspiracy theorists, the ingredient isn’t poisoning vaccine recipients. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/05/25/fact-check-moderna-vaccine-not-poisonous/5152680001/ → https://is.gd/GtsG1p | 04:01 |
| de-facto | .title https://sci-hub.do/10.1093/infdis/jiz582 | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From sci-hub.do: Sci-Hub | The Influence of Simulated Sunlight on the Inactivation of Influenza Virus in Aerosols. The Journal of Infectious Diseases | 10.1093/infdis/jiz582 | 04:12 |
| Bridgestorm | <CoronaBot> /r/covid19: Variants of concern are overrepresented among post-vaccination breakthrough infections of SARS-CoV-2 in Washington State (85 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.23.21257679v1 | https://redd.it/nl199k | 04:12 |
| de-facto | hah | 04:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France puzzled by mystery anti-Pfizer campaign offer → https://is.gd/6Gx2Dd | 04:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Suriname: +193 cases (now 13495), +5 deaths (now 261) since a day ago — Nicaragua: +131 cases (now 7324), +1 deaths (now 186) since 6 days ago | 04:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: US joins calls for transparent, science-based investigation into Covid origins | Several countries tell the WHO annual meeting that a new inquiry with new terms of reference must be launched → https://is.gd/VztvIZ | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: U.S. FDA may not review new COVID-19 vaccine EUA requests during pandemic → https://is.gd/lxjr3o | 05:37 |
| Bridgestorm | <LjL> This channel is about to be UNLINKED from the #covid-19:matrix.org room on Matrix, because many freenode channels are undergoing a hostile, forcible takeover by freenode staff for mentioning another network. It is NO LONGER SAFE to keep the bridge running. I'm sorry; join us on Matrix, or on the other network (google "freenode" and you'll find the name easily). | 06:21 |
| Bridgestorm | <LjL (@LjL:matrix.org)> This room has been UNLINKED from freenode, as freenode is undergoing a hostile takeover that you can probably read about in the news if you google "freenode". If you wish to join this as an IRC channel, join ##covid-19 on irc.libera.chat | 06:23 |
| bin | sad state of things | 06:24 |
| bin | "nothijng will change" | 06:24 |
| bin | famous last words | 06:24 |
| LjL | yeah | 06:26 |
| LjL | too bad Libera staff was too blind to see this was happening, and wasting time "negotiating" instead of setting up a new bridge with Matrix *quickly* | 06:26 |
| LjL | "we weren't expecting this to escalate so fast" | 06:26 |
| LjL | well, i was | 06:26 |
| LjL | just as i expected COVID to escalate when people here weren't | 06:27 |
| LjL | i may just be crazy or something, but i end up being right somehow | 06:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: (news): Older Canadians say they're more willing to get the flu shot in the wake of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/qSrHxD | 06:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +3179 cases (now 355349), +100 deaths (now 14124) since 22 hours ago — Belgium: +855 cases (now 1.1 million), +20 deaths (now 24873) since a day ago — Germany: +131 deaths (now 87951) since 23 hours ago | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: COVID-19: When should a person opt for oxygen support at home? → https://is.gd/J4lmrl | 06:42 |
| Bridgestorm | <rmonten> Freenode, what a debacle... | 06:50 |
| Bridgestorm | <rmonten> IRC messages will come to matrix through brainstorm now? | 06:50 |
| LjL | rmonten: for now, yes. Libera staff are in talks with Matrix to set up a new bridge, and I repeatedly told them that I thought they should hasten that, but, well, they just told me that they "weren't expecting this". Somehow I was, but what is done is done. | 06:51 |
| Bridgestorm | <rmonten> Well good job getting this up and running so quickly then! | 06:52 |
| bin | LjL: same | 06:53 |
| bin | back when it got sold by christel and then when kape bought it i knew it was going to be bad | 06:53 |
| LjL | rmonten, thanks, it's far from perfect, but hopefully we'll have something more like what we had before soon | 06:56 |
| Bridgestorm | <rmonten> Someone once said “Le meglio è l'inimico del bene.” | 06:58 |
| bin | thanks LjL <3 | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mato Grosso, Brazil: +4234 cases (now 675151), +82 deaths (now 17104) since a day ago — Paraiba, Brazil: +2015 cases (now 320276), +36 deaths (now 7484) since a day ago — Castile - Castile La Mancha, Spain: +1337 cases (now 191626), +9 deaths (now 5911) since a day ago — Boyaca, Colombia: +627 cases (now 63744), +20 deaths (now 1500) since a day ago | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: The Caribbean conundrum: United by tourists, divided by COVID → https://is.gd/U4HSLX | 07:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: UAE mandates COVID-19 vaccines for live events → https://is.gd/pWe7Yy | 08:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid long-haulers baffle doctors with symptoms going on and on → https://is.gd/JclLeF | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +208921 cases (now 27.2 million), +3795 deaths (now 310013) since 15 hours ago | 08:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Producing digital content amid pandemic: Influencers talk about challenges and experiences → https://is.gd/hsnfYq | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: CDC will not investigate mild infections in vaccinated Americans → https://is.gd/BhOydX | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Indian COVID-19 variant found in at least 53 territories: WHO: The coronavirus variant first detected in India has now been officially recorded in 53 territories, a World Health Organization report showed Wednesday. → https://is.gd/8RJ1Qq | 10:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Boris Johnson wanted to be infected with Covid on live TV 'to show it's nothing to be scared of' Dominic Cummings is set to testify → https://is.gd/S80Uid | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Manipur, India: +824 cases (now 45451), +15 deaths (now 720) since a day ago — Mizoram, India: +315 cases (now 10937) since a day ago — Ladakh, India: +278 cases (now 17810), +1 deaths (now 179) since a day ago — Germany: +127 deaths (now 87952) since 17 hours ago | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: Shuttered hospitals, soaring Covid-19 deaths: Rural Black communities lose a lifeline in the century’s worst health crisis → https://is.gd/ZIR9IC | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: In ‘vaccine apartheid,’ Nepal is ground zero. It needs U.S. help: Providing vaccines to Nepal is an unparalleled opportunity for the U.S. to save lives, recommit to its friendship with the country, and add to America's storied collaboration in strengthening Nepal's… → https://is.gd/zsoPJ5 | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Taiwan: +635 cases (now 6091), +11 deaths (now 46) since a day ago | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Timeline: How the Wuhan lab-leak theory suddenly became credible → https://is.gd/cfFaoA | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: David Oliver: The pandemic has delivered clinical service innovations worth keeping: The NHS’s response to the covid-19 pandemic has shown how necessity can be the mother of innovation. Although plenty has gone wrong in national policy,1 and while frontline services have experienced... → https://is.gd/ewWFRd | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: What does it mean to engage the public in the response to covid-19?: Over the past year, numerous individuals and institutions have called on governments and other authorities to engage, involve, or include the public in covid-19 response and recovery efforts.12 In... → https://is.gd/QduIPa | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Variants are spreading in countries with low vaccination rates: With new daily covid-19 cases in steep decline across Europe and North America, and now falling in India, the curve of global daily mortality is trending downwards. But the virus continues to flare... → https://is.gd/T6TjvZ | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: A nutritionist shares full-day meal chart for when you take your Covid vaccine → https://is.gd/lRcyQ9 | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Listen: Danielle Ofri on Covid surges and her postmortem folder: Physician, writer-editor, and cello aficionado @danielleofri joins the First Opinion Podcast to talk about pandemic surges, patients' deaths, the @BLReview, and more. → https://is.gd/tTJKou | 13:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +7478 cases (now 533367), +63 deaths (now 2432) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +51 deaths (now 25324) since 17 hours ago | 13:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chinese state media is turning on Fauci amid Wuhan lab controversy → https://is.gd/Ypu075 | 13:45 |
| dTal | lol that's funny - next time someone starts spouting off about "Fauxci" or some shit, we can call them a Chinese shill | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Is the Sputnik V vaccine too good to be true? Without the data, it’s hard to know: The only way for concerns over Sputnik V and other vaccines to be quelled is for their developers to publish full clinical trial reports along with the raw data. → https://is.gd/6n8q8H | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mauritius: +21 cases (now 1332) since a day ago — Brunei: +4 cases (now 240) since 2 days ago | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: COVID Morbidity: The emerging burden of long COVID is significant, and needs to be considered when evaluating the risk vs benefit of pandemic measures. The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/nfYOjy | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5 deaths (now 10787) since 23 hours ago | 14:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: UK study finds long-term lung damage after COVID-19 → https://is.gd/FOAF05 | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Former top aide says PM Johnson thought COVID first wave was ‘scare story’ → https://is.gd/cWSYYJ | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Surgical simulation training is crucial in the covid-19 era and beyond: Munro and colleagues list several strategies for mitigating the negative effects of the covid-19 pandemic on surgical training.1 Of these, developing simulation opportunities for trainees is of... → https://is.gd/80AKV4 | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +6677 cases (now 535525), +145 deaths (now 6845) since a day ago | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid-19 fact check: Can steam inhalation or gargling release virus particles in the air? → https://is.gd/ZwW8PO | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: General practice / family medicine, UK, COVID-19: Covid-19: D/deaf healthcare workers faced “widespread, systemic discrimination” during pandemic, study finds → https://is.gd/SDTwhW | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +199 cases (now 93627), +2 deaths (now 1273) since 23 hours ago | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: Armani, Dolce & Gabbana to go live for Milan Fashion Week → https://is.gd/iTEKu7 | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: R to @profshanecrotty: Also, an unrelated finding in the study that is of wide interest: subjects who experienced more severe vaccine reactogenicity (side effects) had bigger CD8 T cell responses. Again, the study is limited by the fact that is is studying only the 1st immunization. → https://is.gd/8sOlfo | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +594 cases (now 846434), +1 deaths (now 17022) since 23 hours ago | 16:32 |
| de-facto | .title https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-teencove-study-its-covid-19-vaccine | 16:55 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From investors.modernatx.com: Moderna Announces TeenCOVE Study of its COVID-19 Vaccine in Adolescents Meets Primary Endpoint and Plans to Submit Data to Regulators in Early June | Moderna, Inc. | 16:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Safety and Efficacy of Exosomes Overexpressing CD24 in Two Doses for Patients With Moderate or Severe COVID-19 → https://is.gd/A7tqZT | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +139 deaths (now 87976) since 22 hours ago | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Relationship Between CT- Value With Prognosis in COVID-19 Patients → https://is.gd/PyQeYM | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bhutan: +41 cases (now 1464) since 22 hours ago — Bangladesh: +1497 cases (now 793693), +17 deaths (now 12458) since 15 hours ago | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: R to @profshanecrotty: After 1 vaccine dose:Solid cancers: 71% T cell responses. 39% antibodiesBlood cancers: 8 of 9 with T cell responses had no antibodies.But after 2-doses, much better → https://is.gd/gbT35R | 18:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +3935 cases (now 4.2 million), +121 deaths (now 125622) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +3143 cases (now 1.4 million) since 22 hours ago | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France makes quarantine compulsory for travellers arriving from UK → https://is.gd/qZhpGU | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: PM’s former chief aide accuses health secretary of lying over PPE and access to treatment: The prime minister’s former chief adviser Dominic Cummings has launched an incendiary attack on England’s health secretary’s handling of the covid-19 pandemic, accusing Matt Hancock of “lying to... → https://is.gd/Y2vJnt | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: Countries eager to reopen to travel as pandemic recedes → https://is.gd/JtrNhz | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Timor-Leste: +429 cases (now 6245), +1 deaths (now 14) since 2 days ago — Switzerland: +2 deaths (now 10788) since 22 hours ago | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: @Luana_Soares Luana Silva Soares: First reported cases of SARS-CoV-2 sub-lineage B.1.617.2 in Brazil: an outbreak in a ship and alert for spread → https://is.gd/w12JIM | 19:38 |
| de-facto | .title https://virological.org/uploads/short-url/pZzSCYDcLeUnbfwjESy4TeYJlmP.pdf | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From virological.org: First reported cases of SARS-CoV-2 sub-lineage B.1.617.2 in Brazil: an outbreak in a ship and alert for spread (Luana da Silva Soares) | 19:54 |
| de-facto | from https://virological.org/t/first-reported-cases-of-sars-cov-2-sub-lineage-b-1-617-2-in-brazil-an-outbreak-in-a-ship-and-alert-for-spread/706 | 19:55 |
| de-facto | not exactly good news for Brazil i guess | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceMag: [Research Articles] Depleting plasmacytoid dendritic cells reduces local type I interferon responses and disease activity in patients with cutaneous lupus: Plasmacytoid dendritic cells (pDCs) not only are specialized in their capacity to secrete large amounts of type I interferon (IFN) but also serve to enable both innate and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jSB8N6 | 20:11 |
| LjL | how come even Canada is by far surpassing the EU now in https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations ? | 20:14 |
| de-facto | Canada is small | 20:19 |
| de-facto | 38M vs 748M | 20:20 |
| LjL | well i'd expect them to have similarly small production capacity or import money | 20:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Nussenzweig Lab: @NussenzweigL: R to @NussenzweigL: “People who were infected and get vaccinated really have a terrific response, a terrific set of antibodies, because they continue to evolve their antibodies,” Dr. Nussenzweig said. “I expect that they will last for a long time.” → https://is.gd/F0TXlA | 20:22 |
| de-facto | ok EU is just 446M | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +5007 cases (now 3.7 million), +54 deaths (now 79855) since 23 hours ago | 20:34 |
| Timvde | LjL: iirc Canada has no production capacity at all | 20:39 |
| rpifan | yes | 20:39 |
| LjL | Timvde, so magic! | 20:39 |
| Timvde | LjL: I am personally more interested in the final level of vaccination than the exact growth | 20:44 |
| Timvde | And the EU is exporting *a lot* too, which is also important | 20:44 |
| LjL | Timvde, fair, but the time you take to reach the final level can impact a lot the number of intervening cases and deaths | 20:45 |
| LjL | There was some kind of paper that concluded that stopping AZ in the EU for more than 3 days would make more deaths than keeping using it despite the unclear risks | 20:45 |
| LjL | i don't know if its statistics were reasonable, but it seems logical that the slower you vaccinate people, the more people will get COVID | 20:45 |
| Timvde | At least where I live, the numbers are getting better already, and I'm rather positive that we won't have another peak (at least as long as there are no new variants that completely bypass the vaccine) | 20:46 |
| Timvde | Yes, that is of course true. But it's not as simple on a global scale | 20:46 |
| rpifan | has israel survived so far? | 20:47 |
| LjL | what sort of question is that | 20:47 |
| Timvde | Slowing spread in countries where the virus is roaring is probably more important in the long run, because that's where variants are born | 20:47 |
| LjL | of course it has "survived" | 20:47 |
| rpifan | i mean have they limited all their covid measures and 'proven' the vaccine is the panacea we are told | 20:49 |
| Bridgestorm | <ploni> > <@Brainstorm:matrix.org> <rpifan> i mean have they limited all their covid measures and 'proven' the vaccine is the panacea we are told | 21:25 |
| Bridgestorm | <ploni> | 21:25 |
| Bridgestorm | <ploni> https://www.gov.il/en/departments/news/23052021-02 | 21:25 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2h3HNTnIc | 21:34 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> sars-cov-2 lab leak credible now? | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +133 deaths (now 88000) since 23 hours ago | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Influencers say they got offered thousands to spread fake news on Pfizer COVID-19 vaccin → https://is.gd/1Wd9Hd | 21:37 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> > <@krey:matrix.org> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2h3HNTnIc | 21:43 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> | 21:43 |
| Bridgestorm | <KREYREN> which criticises the lancet for intentionally spreading false information by party of interest with a credible evidence ? | 21:43 |
| rpifan | Additionally, restrictions on entry to and departure from the State of Israel shall remain unchanged, and will be tightened as necessary. | 21:46 |
| rpifan | lol thats the whole point | 21:46 |
| rpifan | until they change that then its the same exact game as last year | 21:46 |
| rpifan | lol | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Porn Use Spiked During the Pandemic: In findings likely to surprise no one, new research shows Americans’ pornography usage spiked dramatically in the early months of the pandemic. → https://is.gd/Jeyp3j | 21:59 |
| rpifan | lol | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +1472 cases (now 250296), +36 deaths (now 8058) since 19 hours ago — India: +406 cases (now 27.2 million), +1281 deaths (now 311294) since 13 hours ago | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Air travel up to pre-pandemic levels across US: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News May 26, 2021 All airline passengers, including those fully vaccinated, are required to wear masks at least through Sep 13. → https://is.gd/tkbMc7 | 23:03 |
| de-facto | btw what is going on in Japan with COVID? | 23:12 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/ <-- numbers are rising | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.worldometers.info: Japan COVID: 725,536 Cases and 12,497 Deaths - Worldometer | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Mild, asymptomatic COVID cases may be as infectious as severe ones: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News May 26, 2021 Data from Germany support COVID-19 superspreading theory. → https://is.gd/J5ytkA | 23:14 |
| de-facto | .title https://covariants.org/per-country <-- and according to that the indian B.1.617.2 https://covariants.org/variants/21A.S.478K | 23:15 |
| LjL | hey ublx | 23:15 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From covariants.org: CoVariants | 23:15 |
| ublx | hi LjL | 23:15 |
| LjL | i have a vaccine appointment | 23:15 |
| ublx | nice | 23:16 |
| de-facto | wow congratulations | 23:16 |
| ublx | any idea which vaccine? | 23:16 |
| LjL | ublx, nope, that annoys me, they won't tell me until i'm physically there, and they basically had me agree that if it's AZ, the second appointment may be any date, any time, during August, otherwise earlier with Pfizer | 23:16 |
| LjL | and while i could decide where and when to take the first shot (slots allowing), it will be decided automatically for the second | 23:17 |
| LjL | you won't like the sound of this but i'm thinking of walking away if they want to give me AZ | 23:17 |
| de-facto | are vaccination time slots available in Italy? | 23:17 |
| de-facto | here in Germany there is no hope to get any | 23:17 |
| ublx | is AZ really that bad? | 23:17 |
| LjL | de-facto, the slots for my age were due to opening at midnight, but instead they opened at like 21:30. my parents realized, and i did it asap | 23:18 |
| LjL | they may quickly run out of slots after midnight i guess | 23:18 |
| ublx | 1 AZ + 1 pfizer might not be terrible | 23:18 |
| LjL | ublx, i don't have an answer to that, the answer would be very nuanced | 23:18 |
| LjL | in part i'm just upset that in most places you can at least know what you're going to get | 23:18 |
| LjL | ublx, they won't give me 1 pfizer, if i get 1 AZ, the second will be AZ | 23:18 |
| ublx | i didn't know what i was getting right up until the nurse with the needle said what is was | 23:20 |
| ublx | beforehand i was preparing myself to walk away if it was AZ | 23:20 |
| ublx | but by the time i got there i had reconciled myself to just get any vaccine offered | 23:21 |
| ublx | so it was i pleasant surprise to hear it was pfizer in the end | 23:21 |
| LjL | ublx, i might change my mind once i'm there, who knows | 23:21 |
| LjL | ublx, but technically for the time being, AZ is only "recommended" for people over 60 (which doesn't mean it's *forbidden* for people under 60, but initially it was treated as that in practice... little fucking subtleties) | 23:22 |
| LjL | so i think if they say AZ, at minimum i'll show them an AIFA printout and say no, in my age group Pfizer is recommended | 23:22 |
| LjL | and if they insist on AZ... well, i don't know, sometimes i'm meek and do what i'm told, but depending on the tone i'm treated with, i may start saying very loudly that AZ is a bad vaccine | 23:23 |
| ublx | worth a try, at least | 23:23 |
| LjL | bet they'll love that | 23:23 |
| ublx | any point in finding yourself mysteriously unavailable for any appointments except those at venues most likely to have pfizer, like hospitals? | 23:25 |
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| LjL | ublx, i could pick timeslots *and* places (within my area of milan), and i just picked the one that's closest and that i hear is kind of efficient | 23:27 |
| LjL | but i have no idea which venues have which vaccines | 23:27 |
| LjL | in other countries (US) there are sites people have built with such information ;( | 23:27 |
| LjL | but we use smoke signals, and i'm out of wood | 23:27 |
| LjL | ... to burn | 23:27 |
| ublx | here, if the clinic is set up in a hospital, it seems most likely to have pfizer. GP surgeries seem to tend to have AZ | 23:28 |
| de-facto | here they dont have enough of anything while they are already planing (or actually doing already) holding back doses for the young (children) | 23:34 |
| de-facto | so idk maybe i wont get any offer in the foreseeable future, just because i am lucky enough to be neither young nor old | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: German scientist believes he's found solution to blood clots linked to AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/QuiBou | 23:36 |
| LjL | ublx, this place is set up *by* a hospital, but in a previously unused building | 23:41 |
| LjL | GPs don't have vaccines | 23:41 |
| ketas | i got one from gp here | 23:41 |
| ketas | :) | 23:42 |
| ketas | hand feels bit weird from that 30ug of mrna and other crap | 23:43 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1 | 23:45 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.researchsquare.com: “Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry” Syndrome:Splice reactions within the SARS-CoV-2 Spike open reading frame result in Spike protein variants that may cause thromboembolic events in patients immunized [...] | 23:45 |
| de-facto | .title https://archive.is/hfK94 | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From archive.is: Scientists claim to have solved Covid vaccine blood-clot puzzle | Financial Times | 23:46 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/nlo2xk/vaccineinduced_covid19_mimicry_syndrome_splice/ | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Mild, asymptomatic COVID-19 cases may be as infectious as severe ones: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News May 26, 2021 Data from Germany support COVID-19 superspreading theory. → https://is.gd/rF5f7A | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.reddit.com: “Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry” Syndrome: Splice reactions within the SARS-CoV-2 Spike open reading frame result in Spike protein variants that may cause thromboembolic events in patients immunized [...] | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes Additional Monoclonal Antibody for Treatment of COVID-19: The FDA issued an emergency use authorization for the investigational monoclonal antibody therapy sotrovimab for the treatment of mild-to-moderate COVID-19 in adult and pediatric patients. → https://is.gd/KJ2j06 | 23:58 |
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