libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-05-28

BrainstormUpdates for Zambia: +320 cases (now 93947), +2 deaths (now 1275) since a day ago00:41
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Macron says it is in Europe's interest to provide Africa with COVID-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/PZHR9400:52
BrainstormUpdates for Argentina: +39187 cases (now 3.6 million), +547 deaths (now 76135) since 23 hours ago01:00
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: Ohio lawmakers want to abolish vaccine requirements—all vaccine requirements → https://is.gd/okxbA702:06
BrainstormUpdates for Colombia: +25092 cases (now 3.3 million), +342 deaths (now 86522) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +2399 cases (now 4.5 million), +7 deaths (now 127884) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +1532 cases (now 1.6 million), +7 deaths (now 17715) since 22 hours ago02:39
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Yes, vaccinated people can transmit COVID-19 through kissing While vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID-19, it’s still possible. → https://is.gd/so5LAI03:02
BrainstormNew from Virology.ws: T cells will save us from COVID-19, part two: T cells are the other arm of the adaptive immune response (in addition to B cells) that are essential for clearing virus infections. Most studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-2 infection have focused on antibodies and their ability to neutralize virus infection. The observation that [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Lk5QCn03:24
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: How the glass ceiling survived the pandemic → https://is.gd/eG6mA404:06
BrainstormUpdates for Uganda: +313 cases (now 44594), +2 deaths (now 361) since a day ago — Suriname: +292 cases (now 14012), +7 deaths (now 275) since 23 hours ago04:31
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan's ruling party to urge sharing AstraZeneca's COVID-19 shot to Taiwan → https://is.gd/qDSfTo04:38
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: German researchers tie cold viruses used to deliver COVID-19 vaccine to rare blood clot risk → https://is.gd/ghFeiH04:49
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Surgery waiting times could be cut with specialist hubs, say surgeons → https://is.gd/ovJOBN05:00
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +2536 cases (now 4.5 million), +8 deaths (now 127887) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +1670 cases (now 1.6 million), +8 deaths (now 17719) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +1890 cases (now 1.4 million) since 21 hours ago05:09
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: ‘No shame’: Biden knocks Republicans touting Covid relief law they voted against → https://is.gd/sNXzMU05:10
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Get vaccinated, win cash as California offers $116.5 million in prizes → https://is.gd/qqi48p05:21
BrainstormUpdates for Venezuela: +1421 cases (now 228828), +17 deaths (now 2576) since 23 hours ago05:34
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. intel report identified 3 Wuhan lab researchers who fell ill in November 2019 → https://is.gd/OEzIZG06:03
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +2891 cases (now 1.1 million), +13 deaths (now 24902) since 23 hours ago06:11
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Global supply of COVAX hit due to coronavirus crisis in India, USAID tells lawmakers → https://is.gd/rHTQbg06:25
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Jaishankar meets US lawmakers, discusses developments pertaining to Quad, cooperation on vaccines → https://is.gd/fR9iRW06:36
BrainstormUpdates for Bogota, Colombia: +9688 cases (now 933953), +83 deaths (now 18426) since a day ago — California, United States: +5062 cases (now 3.8 million), +145 deaths (now 63162) since 20 hours ago — Metropolitana, Chile: +3659 cases (now 562403), +52 deaths (now 15262) since a day ago — Antioquia, Colombia: +3536 cases (now 529726), +70 deaths (now 11774) since a day ago07:38
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China's stonewalling of Covid origin probe led Biden to reveal latest intelligence review → https://is.gd/keYXeF08:24
BrainstormUpdates for India: +186364 cases (now 27.6 million), +4809 deaths (now 318895) since 15 hours ago08:40
Bridgestorm<RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Prima riunione del Comitato interministeriale per la transizione energetica ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/prima-riunione-del-comitato-interministeriale-la-transizione-energetica/16947 )08:48
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Ohio vaccine lottery’s $1 Million winner ‘thought it was a prank.’ → https://is.gd/e3HMrb08:55
Bridgestorm<RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Il Presidente Draghi partecipa al Global Solution Summit ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-partecipa-al-global-solution-summit/16948 )09:03
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | May 28, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/aXo9KC09:06
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Australia's COVID success under threat as Melbourne goes into lockdown: Five million weary Melbourne residents were put back under lockdown on Friday, straining local resolve and testing Australia's "zero-COVID" strategy of smothering outbreaks however small. → https://is.gd/upesZl09:38
pwr22Hello10:12
pwr22Ah I see myself in the old matrix room, seems to be working10:12
pwr22LjL: I got bored of waiting so I decided to join ##covid-19:libera.chat10:14
BrainstormUpdates for South Africa: +4422 cases (now 1.6 million), +95 deaths (now 56170) since 2 hours ago — Taiwan: +554 cases (now 7315), +19 deaths (now 78) since 23 hours ago — Sikkim, India: +408 cases (now 14214), +1 deaths (now 240) since 23 hours ago10:32
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT+: Boxed in: How a single Pfizer decision disrupted the Covid vaccine rollout while boosting profits: Pfizer says its decision was intended to speed vaccine delivery, but it meant the Covid shots were sent mostly to densely populated areas and not to pharmacies and primary care… → https://is.gd/i9zGrD10:43
darsie Unlock this article by subscribing to STAT+ and enjoy your first 30 days free!10:53
BrainstormNew from StatNews: First Opinion: Opinion: STAT+: SARS-CoV-2 brought the world to its knees. Its digital twin is helping bring us back → https://is.gd/mKINCo10:54
BrainstormNew from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: I'm proud to be helping the Swiss 🇨🇭 Genomic Surveillance Programme - to ensure we have a better & more comprehensive picture of the #SARSCoV2 pandemic in #Switzerland, including new [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HK6vjn11:16
BrainstormUpdates for Laos: +10 cases (now 1905), +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago11:34
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Simple ways to manage COVID anxiety in the elderly → https://is.gd/sI0fma11:37
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: PM backs Matt Hancock over Dominic Cummings' care home claims → https://is.gd/gtOnmS12:21
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Fitness: On ‘Pursuit of Happyness’, Will Smith drops fitness video after putting on pandemic weight → https://is.gd/bH5dyf12:32
BrainstormUpdates for Philippines: +8724 cases (now 1.2 million), +187 deaths (now 20566) since a day ago — Uganda: +637 cases (now 45231) since 8 hours ago12:36
BrainstormUpdates for Malaysia: +8290 cases (now 549514), +61 deaths (now 2552) since 23 hours ago — Ireland: +1249 cases (now 260299) since 3 days ago — Canada: +80 deaths (now 25411) since 19 hours ago13:01
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Finland opens drive-in voting for a Covid-safe election → https://is.gd/yWojPh13:04
BrainstormNew from ECDC: Data on country response measures to COVID-19: This downloadable data file contains information on non-pharmaceutical interventions (or response measures)  that countries in the EU/EEA have reported to date. → https://is.gd/6BvFYG13:58
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +6855 cases (now 549111), +96 deaths (now 7047) since 22 hours ago14:03
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: ‘We are not done with this pandemic until everyone is vaccinated’: Dr Shriram Nene → https://is.gd/38aQoe14:09
BrainstormNew from In The Pipeline: Weird Natural Product Time Again: So let’s take a break today by looking at some compounds that, to a good approximation, many synthetic organic chemists would agree shouldn’t even exist. Yep, it’s time for a dive into Weirdo Natural Products, as I do every so often around here. I’ll point out some of the more [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rZsFLf14:20
BrainstormNew from Politico: Coronavirus: Belgium on course to open up on June 9 as COVID hospitalizations fall → https://is.gd/xVdCux14:31
BrainstormUpdates for UAE: +2236 cases (now 565451), +4 deaths (now 1668) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1358 cases (now 796343), +31 deaths (now 12511) since 23 hours ago14:41
BrainstormNew from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: #SARSCoV2 Variants in the UK - Oct 2020 to presentGreen = 20E (EU1) (B.1.177)Orange = 20I/501Y.V1 (B.1.1.7)Red: 20A (B.1.617) → https://is.gd/CinEd614:42
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Event: EMA regular press briefing on COVID-19, Virtual meeting, from 28/05/2021 to 28/05/2021 → https://is.gd/1hXs2O14:52
BrainstormUpdates for Fiji: +46 cases (now 360) since 8 hours ago14:59
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Why the Wuhan lab-leak origin theory of the COVID-19 virus is being taken more seriously → https://is.gd/pkckoO15:15
BrainstormNew from WHO Euro: The Beautiful Game:  keeping spectators, players and communities safe: With the summer season approaching, excitement is building among people to once again attend major sporting events, such as tennis tournaments, football matches, horse races and cycling competitions. Declining trends in reported cases and deaths due to COVID-19 in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GygRdm15:26
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +912 cases (now 693023), +3 deaths (now 10799) since 23 hours ago15:36
BrainstormUpdates for Zambia: +483 cases (now 94430) since 15 hours ago16:01
Bridgestorm<RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Convocazione del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 21 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/convocazione-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-21/16951 )16:13
Bridgestorm<RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Consiglio dei Ministri n.21 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/consiglio-dei-ministri-n21/16952 )16:13
BrainstormNew from Emma Hodcroft: @C_Althaus: RT by @firefoxx66: Excited that @ISPMBern can contribute to the national monitoring program of SARS-CoV-2 variants in Switzerland @firefoxx66 @unibern @BAG_OFSP_UFSP https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/das-bag/aktuell/medienmitteilungen.msg-id-83732.htmlhttps://is.gd/U91xw016:31
BrainstormUpdates for Portugal: +598 cases (now 847604), +1 deaths (now 17023) since 23 hours ago16:39
BrainstormNew from EMA: News and press releases: First COVID-19 vaccine approved for children aged 12 to 15 in EU, CHMP, 28/05/2021: EMA’s human medicines committee (CHMP) has recommended granting an extension of indication for the COVID-19 vaccine Comirnaty to include use in children... → https://is.gd/mlU7SM16:53
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Prone Positioning for Invasively Ventilated Patients With COVID-19 Registry → https://is.gd/jL3K8d17:04
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Evaluation of the SARS-CoV-2 Variant 501Y.V2 → https://is.gd/Aj4O6b17:26
MonolecteScientists claim to have solved Covid vaccine blood-clot puzzle : https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v117:38
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Study to Evaluate a Single Intranasal Dose of STI-2099 (COVI-DROPS™) in Outpatient Adults With COVID-19 (US) → https://is.gd/Pg4CiT17:59
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Study of Allogeneic Adipose-Derived Mesenchymal Stem Cells for Treatment of COVID-19 Acute Respiratory Distress → https://is.gd/cbA46s18:10
BrainstormNew from WebMD: Big Bucks and Savings: Vaccine Incentives Multiply: As COVID-19 vaccination rates slow in the U.S., companies and states are stepping up to offer a variety of incentives to encourage people to get their shots, including cash lotteries, flights, and date nights. → https://is.gd/iqIbR418:53
pwr22J&J vaccine is approved for UK use now I think19:01
LjLpwr22, please tell me this is actually you on IRC and not some bridge that sprang up from nowhere and confuses me O.o19:31
BrainstormUpdates for Chile: +8658 cases (now 1.4 million), +119 deaths (now 28928) since 22 hours ago — Italy: +3737 cases (now 4.2 million), +126 deaths (now 125919) since a day ago — Canada: +3949 cases (now 1.4 million), +65 deaths (now 25412) since 21 hours ago19:33
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: EU approves Pfizer-BioNTech jab for 12-15 year olds → https://is.gd/AFeb1B19:37
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bali Speeds Up Vaccination Process to Start Reopening for Tourists in July → https://is.gd/8hZt5N20:10
BrainstormNew from WebMD: How to Stay Truly Safe in the Sun: Summer is around the corner, and with the pandemic waning for many, the CDC encourages people to spend more time unmasked outdoors. But protecting yourself from the sun is more important than ever, and questions about sunscreen safety may make you wonder how to do it. → https://is.gd/gkvy4220:21
pwr22<LjL "Peter, please tell me this is ac"> This is me through the libera.chat bridge20:29
pwr22Doh, sorry for using the reply, it looks bad still20:30
pwr22Connected through the portal room which is ##covid-19:libera.chat iirc20:32
pwr22Portal rooms are automatically bridged matrix counterparts to the IRC channels20:34
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for May 28, 2021: COVID-19 vs flu in kids Colchicine for COVID outpatients Mistrust in COVID-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/4xQmuW21:04
BrainstormNew from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: May 28, 2021 → https://is.gd/s7pnbF21:15
ArsaneritWhy does Sweden have the highest case notification rate, but one of the lowest death notification rates?  https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea21:18
ArsaneritDo they test a lot?21:18
ecksnot to my knowledge21:19
ecksmy region of sweden is averaging something like >10% positive rate on pcr21:19
ArsaneritCould that be because many people are PCR-tested only after a positive rapid antigen test?21:20
ecksi don't think so21:20
ecksto my knowledge, antigen tests are (mostly) only used to screen people in emergency departments etc21:20
ArsaneritThen I don't understand the Swedish numbers.21:21
ArsaneritSweden has ~4 times more cases, but ~4 times less deaths, than Germany.21:21
eckskeep in mind that sweden's death numbers are not accurate until 2 weeks or so have elapsed21:22
eckssweden has enormous reporting delay21:22
eckshttps://adamaltmejd.se/covid/21:22
ArsaneritOh.21:23
ArsaneritThat might explain.21:23
ecksit seems to hover around 15 daily deaths21:23
ecksbut i have to say i'm a bit surprised at the lack of a third wave of deaths21:24
mib_fqswhkHi21:29
mib_fqswhk2 people in my family dead with covid one is very very close and other long relationship21:29
mib_fqswhkI am freaking21:29
mib_fqswhkcan I get some help21:29
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +5482 cases (now 3.7 million), +17 deaths (now 79905) since a day ago21:37
Bridgestorm<LjL> Peter: oh my, this is being a big mess... I see, you're using the portal room, so on Matrix it looks like you're writing from IRC via Matterbridge, which is confusing enough21:38
Bridgestorm<LjL> Also in some of my rooms, and others are saying the same, the libera.chat bridge only works Matrix-to-IRC but not IRC-to-Matrix, although i don't know if that affects portal rooms or only plumbed rooms21:38
Bridgestorm<LjL> (I'm writing from Matrix now to make sure you get it)21:38
LjLmib_fqswhk, how can we help you? we can't give medical advice, this is definitely terrible, but aside from talking about it... talk about it, vent, ask about your fears, you're free to do that. if it helps, i don't know :(21:39
binmib_fqswhk: im sorry to hear that :(21:39
LjLmib_fqswhk, where do you live, if you don't mind sharing? is there a big surge at the moment? how is vaccination proceeding?21:40
LjLalso have you been living in the same household as any of the ones who got sick?21:40
mib_fqswhkLjL: India21:56
mib_fqswhkI am not able to sleep21:56
mib_fqswhkHospital charged a lot of monet and still my aunt died21:57
mib_fqswhktoday21:57
mib_fqswhkI didnt go to funeral because I am scared21:57
Bridgestorm<RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Comunicato stampa del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 21 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/comunicato-stampa-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-21/16958 )21:58
de-factomib_fqswhk, i am sorry for your loss22:05
de-factoi hear its a very tense situation in India22:06
de-factoyet according to https://www.covid19india.org/ the officially counted case numbers are on decline (click "Daily") so it might be a long fight but it seems slowly but steadily India is winning it (if those numbers reflect the reality)22:07
mib_fqswhkde-facto: i bet those fguresare wrong22:08
mib_fqswhkamong 2 1 was not counted22:08
mib_fqswhkas 1 dies athome and other at hospital22:08
mib_fqswhkde-facto: also not much loss as person who died today isnot very close22:09
de-factoyeah i heard that too, that inofficially there are an N-fold of cases that would not appear in official numbers22:09
mib_fqswhksad thing is here doctors are acting like asshoes22:09
mib_fqswhktaking lots of money22:09
mib_fqswhkand not able to save people22:10
de-factobut assuming (not sure if that is the case) that factor N is somewhat constant then a decline in the real numbers would also show a decline in the officially counted numbers (relative to the case numbers in the past)22:10
de-factoso for example what gives me hope is that the portion of positive tests (positivity rate) goes down22:10
mib_fqswhkdoesn't matter and that aunt husband now lonely old man22:11
de-factoback in the maximum of the peak it was 1 positive case each 4 tests (~25%) now its just 1 case in 10 tests (~10%)22:11
mib_fqswhkGovt failed so bad22:12
mib_fqswhkand hospitals22:12
mib_fqswhk:(22:12
de-factoyeah22:12
mib_fqswhkI have phlegm22:12
de-factowe all have to work together and make the best out of it somehow22:12
mib_fqswhkfor more than 20days22:12
de-factocan you get some sun, maybe through an open window or in a lonely place?22:13
mib_fqswhkI am panicked but not interested to checkup as they are not effective...not sure to take vaccine also...as relatives who took vaccine got admitted in hospitals and luckily recovered but 2 dead22:13
de-factoi did that last year, just went somewhere and layed in the sun, it made me happy and maybe it also gave me some healthy vitamin D levels22:13
de-factolike exposing skin to direct sunlight (ofc not as much as getting sunburn though)22:14
mib_fqswhkde-facto: are you at home only?22:14
mib_fqswhknot going out?22:14
LjLmib_fqswhk: do take the vaccine if you can please. It DOES help. Not everyone, not always, but it's the best hope there is22:14
de-factoim in Germany, right now its rainy weather, no sun here22:14
mib_fqswhkLjL: my dad and mom in 70s should get them vaccinated too?? and Vaccine can be reallt trusted?22:15
de-factoi am going out, but i avoid contacts to other people, and for sure i stay away from crowds22:15
mib_fqswhkts not reason why cases spike?22:15
LjLmib_fqswhk: just try to protect yourself from COVID when you go to take the vaccine... That's the one risk, you need to wear a good FFP2/N95 mask when you go to a vaccine center22:15
LjLUnless a doctor says otherwise, absolutely yes, they should take the vaccine22:15
de-factomib_fqswhk, yes definitely for older people its MUCH more dangerous to get COVID, vaccines can safe a LOT of lifes22:15
de-factoifr 7022:16
LjLNo, the vaccine is NOT the reason why cases are spiking22:16
de-facto.ifr 7022:16
Brainstormde-facto, for every 40 infections at that age, one would progress to a fatal outcome, on average.22:16
mib_fqswhkLjL:  but I cant trust the vaccine here there are 2 covishield and covaxin something like that and all my relatives got high fever and some joined in hospital after taking vaccine22:16
LjLIf you look at numbers in countries where most people are now vaccinated, those numbers are very low now22:16
LjLmib_fqswhk: yes, they can give you fever. Covishield is the same as the one we call AstraZeneca here, it's not the best vaccine around but it definitely doesn't make things worse, it had been used to like half of people in the UK22:17
de-factomib_fqswhk, i heard that from many people taking AstraZeneca shots too, they got high fever for a day or such but then everyone of them was just fine again and now they have got some level of protection22:18
mib_fqswhkLjL de-facto what about covaxin?22:19
LjLmib_fqswhk: I don't know  much about Covaxin because it isn't used here22:19
de-factotbh i would be more worried about the crowd of people on the vaccination queue than the vaccine itself (having seen videos of people not distancing standing close together without masks in india)22:19
mib_fqswhkI don't know if I should take them to vaccine centers or just lock them?22:20
mib_fqswhkand one person 70+years old got positive and he recovered22:20
mib_fqswhkwholefamily vbecame victims now unless me my father ad mom22:21
de-factoyeah in 40 infections at 70 years 39 survive but one dies22:21
mib_fqswhkde-facto:  so its not serious?22:22
mib_fqswhkif weare not 122:22
de-factowhom of them? if we knew that we could protect that one, but since we dont know in advance only vaccinating all 40 of them lowers the risk22:22
de-facto1 in 40 i would say its very serious22:23
mib_fqswhkde-facto: what aboutdrunkards22:23
mib_fqswhkcanthey take vaccine?22:23
de-factodrunkards?22:23
mib_fqswhkdrunkard as in a very regular alcohol consumer22:23
mib_fqswhkone who consure alcohol daily22:23
de-factoah i dont know that, i guess they could be in the risk group for COVID?22:24
mib_fqswhkLjL: no problem22:24
mib_fqswhkde-facto: not sure22:24
mib_fqswhkalcohol kills covid no?22:24
de-factoi heard that drinking alcohol while being vaccinated could lower the level of resulting immunity22:24
de-factono alcohol does not kill covid because once the virus enters inside the cells and replicates it is not reachable by drinking alcohol anymore22:25
de-factoalcohol might have negative impact on immune system though, its probably quite complex22:26
mib_fqswhkso decided to take vaccine for whole family but still scared22:26
mib_fqswhkbecause 2 of them old22:26
mib_fqswhkand if they infect at vaccne center22:27
de-factoyes try to isolate them as much as possible from contact with other people, especially at vaccination center etc22:27
mib_fqswhkand hospitals here spreading virus for all visitors22:27
de-factodo they provide proper (K)N95 or FFP2/3 masks there?22:27
mib_fqswhkWe bought many masks22:28
de-factomaybe you can try to get some proper ones and give it to them, make sure the edge sits airtight on their faces22:28
mib_fqswhkI dont know what are they22:28
mib_fqswhkcovid may last for atleast 6-8moreyears right?22:28
mib_fqswhkand how ong vaccine may work?22:29
de-factoonly the approved ones have some predictable level of protection (lowering the infection risk by filtering), cotton masks dont provide much protection (other than blocking the way for spitting into other peoples faces when speaking loudly etc)22:29
de-factobut the main transmission path is aerosol (behaving similar to cigarette smoke)22:29
de-factoso if you assume you could smell if someone else would smoke a cigarette that would mean there would be an open transmission path22:30
mib_fqswhkand can we really do anything to save a covid positive patients in worst cases if they get it22:30
de-factoi would assume doctors are giving their best to save their life22:31
ecksicu survival rate for covid is something like 80%22:31
ecksof course it varies depending on comorbidities22:31
de-factothere are many approaches, but if there was any "miracle treatment" i would guess we would know by now22:31
mib_fqswhkde-facto: no here doctorsare assholes i am so tired22:32
mib_fqswhkthey charging so much in private hospitals and then they are also notsaving22:33
mib_fqswhkGovt hospitals are heavy22:33
mib_fqswhkand full22:33
de-factoproblem is they also need the resources for treatment, i mean what should they do if there is not enough oxygen etc22:33
de-factoidk what the situation really is there22:34
de-factobut i heard they lack oxygen in many places, is that still true?22:34
mib_fqswhkwe have plenty of resources22:34
mib_fqswhkbut all are sold in black market22:34
mib_fqswhkand huge corruption22:34
pwr22LjL  my messages look "normal" on the matrix side on the portal room and so do all the IRC messages22:35
de-factobut if there was enough supply to the hospitals, why would black markets even develop?22:35
mib_fqswhkde-facto:  hospitals only sell them22:35
de-factoimho its unethical to make profit out of the emergency situation of other people, sorry to hear that22:36
pwr22LjL the portal room seems to work fine and could even replace the current matrix room of you wanted. Portals are just the automatically bridged rooms for freenode channels22:36
mib_fqswhkde-facto:  sad really but we all helpless here22:36
de-factomib_fqswhk, out of interest, what are the "hot items" on that blackmarket for COVID there in India?22:37
mib_fqswhkde-facto: not sure particularly but almost everything22:37
mib_fqswhkexample things would be some injection iforgot its name22:37
mib_fqswhkand oxygen cylinders22:37
de-factoRemdesivir?22:38
mib_fqswhkde-facto: Iheard it yes22:38
mib_fqswhkI am saying in public and I dont care if something happens to my family country would pay huge22:38
de-facto(which i never understood because Remdesivir was a bit of a disappointment, hight hopes but not so good results)22:38
mib_fqswhkde-facto: not sure here everything so costly now...example a bed in private hospitalis in lakhs22:39
mib_fqswhk10lakks == 1 million22:39
pwr22mib_fqswhk I am very sorry for your loss 😟22:40
mib_fqswhkpwr22:  so far not great loss but 2relatives diedbut I am worried only about great loss and I pray it shall never happen22:41
de-facto1 Lakh = 1.4k$22:41
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: CDC loosened mask guidance to encourage vaccination—it failed spectacularly → https://is.gd/A4lGZw22:41
mib_fqswhkde-facto: yeah and its not just 1400$ but easily 2800+ my aunt whodies  today payed close to 2800$ fornothing22:42
mib_fqswhkand died22:42
de-factodamn :(22:42
mib_fqswhkwhat about cost in different places22:42
mib_fqswhkI can afford money for now when it matters life22:43
mib_fqswhkI am preparing close to 1ok$but I dont have guarantee22:43
mib_fqswhkif money can really save22:43
pwr22Hopefully the situation will improve in a big way soon22:44
mib_fqswhkLuckily God gave me some money a right time but I am worried about poor people also22:44
mib_fqswhkpoor people cant spent 1k$ at all its so high22:44
mib_fqswhkfor many in India22:44
de-factohospital treatment ~11k€ and ICU ~39k€ in Germany per case22:46
de-factoper COVID case, not sure how many days22:46
mib_fqswhkhere icu would cost more than that or same I think22:46
mib_fqswhkmy aunt not got in icu22:46
mib_fqswhklooks like I shall save more22:47
mib_fqswhkI can sell my house but no one are buying these days22:48
mib_fqswhkfucking covid so frustrating....Iamgoing offline now thanks22:48
de-facto10% of severe ICU cases even would be like 85k€22:49
de-facto.title https://www.aerztezeitung.de/Politik/Was-kostet-Corona-das-Gesundheitswesen-Kassendaten-geben-Einblick-413830.html source in German lang22:49
Brainstormde-facto: From www.aerztezeitung.de: Was kostet Corona das Gesundheitswesen?22:49
mib_fqswhkde-facto: damn22:49
mib_fqswhkGermany also sucks then22:49
mib_fqswhkthats too costly22:49
de-factoi tried to put google translate on that link but the annoying cookies popup would block that functionality22:50
de-factoyeah very expensive22:50
mib_fqswhkokno prob22:50
mib_fqswhkcan german spend 85K22:50
mib_fqswhkevery one?22:50
de-factoeveryone here has to have insurance22:50
de-factoso yes22:51
mib_fqswhkinsurance?22:51
mib_fqswhkGovt pays for it?22:51
de-factohealth insurrance, one would pay a fee to be member and in case one would need it it would pay for such cases22:51
de-factoits mandatory here22:51
de-factoit depends on income etc22:51
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists at Wuhan lab in COVID probe admitted being bitten by bats: reports → https://is.gd/T64Xya22:52
mib_fqswhkthanks de-facto22:53
de-factoi really hope for the best for India, Brazil etc22:55
de-factoalso Nepal, Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay22:59
de-factohttps://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/uruguay/23:02
de-factoheh LjL look at that site there, they have containment measures below their graph23:03
de-factothats pretty cool actually23:03
de-factoyeah their upstream for that is https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/research-projects/covid-19-government-response-tracker23:04
de-factoso we know already about that one23:04
de-factoyet nicely donw23:05
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: Shannon McKearnan: Altimmune Inc: AdCOVID → https://is.gd/bnKPpU23:13
BrainstormNew from Virological.org: Latest posts: @aglucaci Alexander Lucaci: RASCL: Rapid assessment of SARS-COV-2 clades through molecular sequence analysis and its application to B.1.617.1 and B.1.617.2 → https://is.gd/4rMHWU23:25
BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +1593 cases (now 252929), +24 deaths (now 8094) since a day ago23:41
LjLtest23:55
de-factoworkx23:55
LjL:)23:55
LjLde-facto, pwr22: it looks like maybe the libera bridge (the official one) is now working in both directions, also in plumbed rooms23:55
Bridgestorm<LjL> that doesn't highlight you though I guess Peter23:55
Bridgestorm<LjL> one of the many issues of running bridges of this sort :P23:56

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!