Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +320 cases (now 93947), +2 deaths (now 1275) since a day ago | 00:41 |
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Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Macron says it is in Europe's interest to provide Africa with COVID-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/PZHR94 | 00:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +39187 cases (now 3.6 million), +547 deaths (now 76135) since 23 hours ago | 01:00 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Ohio lawmakers want to abolish vaccine requirements—all vaccine requirements → https://is.gd/okxbA7 | 02:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +25092 cases (now 3.3 million), +342 deaths (now 86522) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +2399 cases (now 4.5 million), +7 deaths (now 127884) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +1532 cases (now 1.6 million), +7 deaths (now 17715) since 22 hours ago | 02:39 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Yes, vaccinated people can transmit COVID-19 through kissing While vaccinated people are less likely to spread COVID-19, it’s still possible. → https://is.gd/so5LAI | 03:02 |
Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: T cells will save us from COVID-19, part two: T cells are the other arm of the adaptive immune response (in addition to B cells) that are essential for clearing virus infections. Most studies of immunity to SARS-CoV-2 infection have focused on antibodies and their ability to neutralize virus infection. The observation that [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Lk5QCn | 03:24 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: How the glass ceiling survived the pandemic → https://is.gd/eG6mA4 | 04:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Uganda: +313 cases (now 44594), +2 deaths (now 361) since a day ago — Suriname: +292 cases (now 14012), +7 deaths (now 275) since 23 hours ago | 04:31 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan's ruling party to urge sharing AstraZeneca's COVID-19 shot to Taiwan → https://is.gd/qDSfTo | 04:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: German researchers tie cold viruses used to deliver COVID-19 vaccine to rare blood clot risk → https://is.gd/ghFeiH | 04:49 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Surgery waiting times could be cut with specialist hubs, say surgeons → https://is.gd/ovJOBN | 05:00 |
Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +2536 cases (now 4.5 million), +8 deaths (now 127887) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +1670 cases (now 1.6 million), +8 deaths (now 17719) since 21 hours ago — Canada: +1890 cases (now 1.4 million) since 21 hours ago | 05:09 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘No shame’: Biden knocks Republicans touting Covid relief law they voted against → https://is.gd/sNXzMU | 05:10 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Get vaccinated, win cash as California offers $116.5 million in prizes → https://is.gd/qqi48p | 05:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +1421 cases (now 228828), +17 deaths (now 2576) since 23 hours ago | 05:34 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: U.S. intel report identified 3 Wuhan lab researchers who fell ill in November 2019 → https://is.gd/OEzIZG | 06:03 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +2891 cases (now 1.1 million), +13 deaths (now 24902) since 23 hours ago | 06:11 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Global supply of COVAX hit due to coronavirus crisis in India, USAID tells lawmakers → https://is.gd/rHTQbg | 06:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Jaishankar meets US lawmakers, discusses developments pertaining to Quad, cooperation on vaccines → https://is.gd/fR9iRW | 06:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Bogota, Colombia: +9688 cases (now 933953), +83 deaths (now 18426) since a day ago — California, United States: +5062 cases (now 3.8 million), +145 deaths (now 63162) since 20 hours ago — Metropolitana, Chile: +3659 cases (now 562403), +52 deaths (now 15262) since a day ago — Antioquia, Colombia: +3536 cases (now 529726), +70 deaths (now 11774) since a day ago | 07:38 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China's stonewalling of Covid origin probe led Biden to reveal latest intelligence review → https://is.gd/keYXeF | 08:24 |
Brainstorm | Updates for India: +186364 cases (now 27.6 million), +4809 deaths (now 318895) since 15 hours ago | 08:40 |
Bridgestorm | <RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Prima riunione del Comitato interministeriale per la transizione energetica ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/prima-riunione-del-comitato-interministeriale-la-transizione-energetica/16947 ) | 08:48 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Ohio vaccine lottery’s $1 Million winner ‘thought it was a prank.’ → https://is.gd/e3HMrb | 08:55 |
Bridgestorm | <RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Il Presidente Draghi partecipa al Global Solution Summit ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-partecipa-al-global-solution-summit/16948 ) | 09:03 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | May 28, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/aXo9KC | 09:06 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Australia's COVID success under threat as Melbourne goes into lockdown: Five million weary Melbourne residents were put back under lockdown on Friday, straining local resolve and testing Australia's "zero-COVID" strategy of smothering outbreaks however small. → https://is.gd/upesZl | 09:38 |
pwr22 | Hello | 10:12 |
pwr22 | Ah I see myself in the old matrix room, seems to be working | 10:12 |
pwr22 | LjL: I got bored of waiting so I decided to join ##covid-19:libera.chat | 10:14 |
Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +4422 cases (now 1.6 million), +95 deaths (now 56170) since 2 hours ago — Taiwan: +554 cases (now 7315), +19 deaths (now 78) since 23 hours ago — Sikkim, India: +408 cases (now 14214), +1 deaths (now 240) since 23 hours ago | 10:32 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Boxed in: How a single Pfizer decision disrupted the Covid vaccine rollout while boosting profits: Pfizer says its decision was intended to speed vaccine delivery, but it meant the Covid shots were sent mostly to densely populated areas and not to pharmacies and primary care… → https://is.gd/i9zGrD | 10:43 |
darsie | Unlock this article by subscribing to STAT+ and enjoy your first 30 days free! | 10:53 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: First Opinion: Opinion: STAT+: SARS-CoV-2 brought the world to its knees. Its digital twin is helping bring us back → https://is.gd/mKINCo | 10:54 |
Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: I'm proud to be helping the Swiss 🇨🇭 Genomic Surveillance Programme - to ensure we have a better & more comprehensive picture of the #SARSCoV2 pandemic in #Switzerland, including new [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HK6vjn | 11:16 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +10 cases (now 1905), +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago | 11:34 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Simple ways to manage COVID anxiety in the elderly → https://is.gd/sI0fma | 11:37 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: PM backs Matt Hancock over Dominic Cummings' care home claims → https://is.gd/gtOnmS | 12:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fitness: On ‘Pursuit of Happyness’, Will Smith drops fitness video after putting on pandemic weight → https://is.gd/bH5dyf | 12:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +8724 cases (now 1.2 million), +187 deaths (now 20566) since a day ago — Uganda: +637 cases (now 45231) since 8 hours ago | 12:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +8290 cases (now 549514), +61 deaths (now 2552) since 23 hours ago — Ireland: +1249 cases (now 260299) since 3 days ago — Canada: +80 deaths (now 25411) since 19 hours ago | 13:01 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Finland opens drive-in voting for a Covid-safe election → https://is.gd/yWojPh | 13:04 |
Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Data on country response measures to COVID-19: This downloadable data file contains information on non-pharmaceutical interventions (or response measures) that countries in the EU/EEA have reported to date. → https://is.gd/6BvFYG | 13:58 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +6855 cases (now 549111), +96 deaths (now 7047) since 22 hours ago | 14:03 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: ‘We are not done with this pandemic until everyone is vaccinated’: Dr Shriram Nene → https://is.gd/38aQoe | 14:09 |
Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: Weird Natural Product Time Again: So let’s take a break today by looking at some compounds that, to a good approximation, many synthetic organic chemists would agree shouldn’t even exist. Yep, it’s time for a dive into Weirdo Natural Products, as I do every so often around here. I’ll point out some of the more [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rZsFLf | 14:20 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Belgium on course to open up on June 9 as COVID hospitalizations fall → https://is.gd/xVdCux | 14:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for UAE: +2236 cases (now 565451), +4 deaths (now 1668) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1358 cases (now 796343), +31 deaths (now 12511) since 23 hours ago | 14:41 |
Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: #SARSCoV2 Variants in the UK - Oct 2020 to presentGreen = 20E (EU1) (B.1.177)Orange = 20I/501Y.V1 (B.1.1.7)Red: 20A (B.1.617) → https://is.gd/CinEd6 | 14:42 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Event: EMA regular press briefing on COVID-19, Virtual meeting, from 28/05/2021 to 28/05/2021 → https://is.gd/1hXs2O | 14:52 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Fiji: +46 cases (now 360) since 8 hours ago | 14:59 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Why the Wuhan lab-leak origin theory of the COVID-19 virus is being taken more seriously → https://is.gd/pkckoO | 15:15 |
Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: The Beautiful Game: keeping spectators, players and communities safe: With the summer season approaching, excitement is building among people to once again attend major sporting events, such as tennis tournaments, football matches, horse races and cycling competitions. Declining trends in reported cases and deaths due to COVID-19 in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GygRdm | 15:26 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +912 cases (now 693023), +3 deaths (now 10799) since 23 hours ago | 15:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +483 cases (now 94430) since 15 hours ago | 16:01 |
Bridgestorm | <RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Convocazione del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 21 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/convocazione-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-21/16951 ) | 16:13 |
Bridgestorm | <RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Consiglio dei Ministri n.21 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/consiglio-dei-ministri-n21/16952 ) | 16:13 |
Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @C_Althaus: RT by @firefoxx66: Excited that @ISPMBern can contribute to the national monitoring program of SARS-CoV-2 variants in Switzerland @firefoxx66 @unibern @BAG_OFSP_UFSP https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/das-bag/aktuell/medienmitteilungen.msg-id-83732.html → https://is.gd/U91xw0 | 16:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +598 cases (now 847604), +1 deaths (now 17023) since 23 hours ago | 16:39 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: First COVID-19 vaccine approved for children aged 12 to 15 in EU, CHMP, 28/05/2021: EMA’s human medicines committee (CHMP) has recommended granting an extension of indication for the COVID-19 vaccine Comirnaty to include use in children... → https://is.gd/mlU7SM | 16:53 |
Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Prone Positioning for Invasively Ventilated Patients With COVID-19 Registry → https://is.gd/jL3K8d | 17:04 |
Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Evaluation of the SARS-CoV-2 Variant 501Y.V2 → https://is.gd/Aj4O6b | 17:26 |
Monolecte | Scientists claim to have solved Covid vaccine blood-clot puzzle : https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1 | 17:38 |
Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Study to Evaluate a Single Intranasal Dose of STI-2099 (COVI-DROPS™) in Outpatient Adults With COVID-19 (US) → https://is.gd/Pg4CiT | 17:59 |
Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Study of Allogeneic Adipose-Derived Mesenchymal Stem Cells for Treatment of COVID-19 Acute Respiratory Distress → https://is.gd/cbA46s | 18:10 |
Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Big Bucks and Savings: Vaccine Incentives Multiply: As COVID-19 vaccination rates slow in the U.S., companies and states are stepping up to offer a variety of incentives to encourage people to get their shots, including cash lotteries, flights, and date nights. → https://is.gd/iqIbR4 | 18:53 |
pwr22 | J&J vaccine is approved for UK use now I think | 19:01 |
LjL | pwr22, please tell me this is actually you on IRC and not some bridge that sprang up from nowhere and confuses me O.o | 19:31 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +8658 cases (now 1.4 million), +119 deaths (now 28928) since 22 hours ago — Italy: +3737 cases (now 4.2 million), +126 deaths (now 125919) since a day ago — Canada: +3949 cases (now 1.4 million), +65 deaths (now 25412) since 21 hours ago | 19:33 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: EU approves Pfizer-BioNTech jab for 12-15 year olds → https://is.gd/AFeb1B | 19:37 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bali Speeds Up Vaccination Process to Start Reopening for Tourists in July → https://is.gd/8hZt5N | 20:10 |
Brainstorm | New from WebMD: How to Stay Truly Safe in the Sun: Summer is around the corner, and with the pandemic waning for many, the CDC encourages people to spend more time unmasked outdoors. But protecting yourself from the sun is more important than ever, and questions about sunscreen safety may make you wonder how to do it. → https://is.gd/gkvy42 | 20:21 |
pwr22 | <LjL "Peter, please tell me this is ac"> This is me through the libera.chat bridge | 20:29 |
pwr22 | Doh, sorry for using the reply, it looks bad still | 20:30 |
pwr22 | Connected through the portal room which is ##covid-19:libera.chat iirc | 20:32 |
pwr22 | Portal rooms are automatically bridged matrix counterparts to the IRC channels | 20:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for May 28, 2021: COVID-19 vs flu in kids Colchicine for COVID outpatients Mistrust in COVID-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/4xQmuW | 21:04 |
Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: May 28, 2021 → https://is.gd/s7pnbF | 21:15 |
Arsanerit | Why does Sweden have the highest case notification rate, but one of the lowest death notification rates? https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea | 21:18 |
Arsanerit | Do they test a lot? | 21:18 |
ecks | not to my knowledge | 21:19 |
ecks | my region of sweden is averaging something like >10% positive rate on pcr | 21:19 |
Arsanerit | Could that be because many people are PCR-tested only after a positive rapid antigen test? | 21:20 |
ecks | i don't think so | 21:20 |
ecks | to my knowledge, antigen tests are (mostly) only used to screen people in emergency departments etc | 21:20 |
Arsanerit | Then I don't understand the Swedish numbers. | 21:21 |
Arsanerit | Sweden has ~4 times more cases, but ~4 times less deaths, than Germany. | 21:21 |
ecks | keep in mind that sweden's death numbers are not accurate until 2 weeks or so have elapsed | 21:22 |
ecks | sweden has enormous reporting delay | 21:22 |
ecks | https://adamaltmejd.se/covid/ | 21:22 |
Arsanerit | Oh. | 21:23 |
Arsanerit | That might explain. | 21:23 |
ecks | it seems to hover around 15 daily deaths | 21:23 |
ecks | but i have to say i'm a bit surprised at the lack of a third wave of deaths | 21:24 |
mib_fqswhk | Hi | 21:29 |
mib_fqswhk | 2 people in my family dead with covid one is very very close and other long relationship | 21:29 |
mib_fqswhk | I am freaking | 21:29 |
mib_fqswhk | can I get some help | 21:29 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +5482 cases (now 3.7 million), +17 deaths (now 79905) since a day ago | 21:37 |
Bridgestorm | <LjL> Peter: oh my, this is being a big mess... I see, you're using the portal room, so on Matrix it looks like you're writing from IRC via Matterbridge, which is confusing enough | 21:38 |
Bridgestorm | <LjL> Also in some of my rooms, and others are saying the same, the libera.chat bridge only works Matrix-to-IRC but not IRC-to-Matrix, although i don't know if that affects portal rooms or only plumbed rooms | 21:38 |
Bridgestorm | <LjL> (I'm writing from Matrix now to make sure you get it) | 21:38 |
LjL | mib_fqswhk, how can we help you? we can't give medical advice, this is definitely terrible, but aside from talking about it... talk about it, vent, ask about your fears, you're free to do that. if it helps, i don't know :( | 21:39 |
bin | mib_fqswhk: im sorry to hear that :( | 21:39 |
LjL | mib_fqswhk, where do you live, if you don't mind sharing? is there a big surge at the moment? how is vaccination proceeding? | 21:40 |
LjL | also have you been living in the same household as any of the ones who got sick? | 21:40 |
mib_fqswhk | LjL: India | 21:56 |
mib_fqswhk | I am not able to sleep | 21:56 |
mib_fqswhk | Hospital charged a lot of monet and still my aunt died | 21:57 |
mib_fqswhk | today | 21:57 |
mib_fqswhk | I didnt go to funeral because I am scared | 21:57 |
Bridgestorm | <RSS Bot [@LjL:matrix.org]> Feed: Comunicato stampa del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 21 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/comunicato-stampa-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-21/16958 ) | 21:58 |
de-facto | mib_fqswhk, i am sorry for your loss | 22:05 |
de-facto | i hear its a very tense situation in India | 22:06 |
de-facto | yet according to https://www.covid19india.org/ the officially counted case numbers are on decline (click "Daily") so it might be a long fight but it seems slowly but steadily India is winning it (if those numbers reflect the reality) | 22:07 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: i bet those fguresare wrong | 22:08 |
mib_fqswhk | among 2 1 was not counted | 22:08 |
mib_fqswhk | as 1 dies athome and other at hospital | 22:08 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: also not much loss as person who died today isnot very close | 22:09 |
de-facto | yeah i heard that too, that inofficially there are an N-fold of cases that would not appear in official numbers | 22:09 |
mib_fqswhk | sad thing is here doctors are acting like asshoes | 22:09 |
mib_fqswhk | taking lots of money | 22:09 |
mib_fqswhk | and not able to save people | 22:10 |
de-facto | but assuming (not sure if that is the case) that factor N is somewhat constant then a decline in the real numbers would also show a decline in the officially counted numbers (relative to the case numbers in the past) | 22:10 |
de-facto | so for example what gives me hope is that the portion of positive tests (positivity rate) goes down | 22:10 |
mib_fqswhk | doesn't matter and that aunt husband now lonely old man | 22:11 |
de-facto | back in the maximum of the peak it was 1 positive case each 4 tests (~25%) now its just 1 case in 10 tests (~10%) | 22:11 |
mib_fqswhk | Govt failed so bad | 22:12 |
mib_fqswhk | and hospitals | 22:12 |
mib_fqswhk | :( | 22:12 |
de-facto | yeah | 22:12 |
mib_fqswhk | I have phlegm | 22:12 |
de-facto | we all have to work together and make the best out of it somehow | 22:12 |
mib_fqswhk | for more than 20days | 22:12 |
de-facto | can you get some sun, maybe through an open window or in a lonely place? | 22:13 |
mib_fqswhk | I am panicked but not interested to checkup as they are not effective...not sure to take vaccine also...as relatives who took vaccine got admitted in hospitals and luckily recovered but 2 dead | 22:13 |
de-facto | i did that last year, just went somewhere and layed in the sun, it made me happy and maybe it also gave me some healthy vitamin D levels | 22:13 |
de-facto | like exposing skin to direct sunlight (ofc not as much as getting sunburn though) | 22:14 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: are you at home only? | 22:14 |
mib_fqswhk | not going out? | 22:14 |
LjL | mib_fqswhk: do take the vaccine if you can please. It DOES help. Not everyone, not always, but it's the best hope there is | 22:14 |
de-facto | im in Germany, right now its rainy weather, no sun here | 22:14 |
mib_fqswhk | LjL: my dad and mom in 70s should get them vaccinated too?? and Vaccine can be reallt trusted? | 22:15 |
de-facto | i am going out, but i avoid contacts to other people, and for sure i stay away from crowds | 22:15 |
mib_fqswhk | ts not reason why cases spike? | 22:15 |
LjL | mib_fqswhk: just try to protect yourself from COVID when you go to take the vaccine... That's the one risk, you need to wear a good FFP2/N95 mask when you go to a vaccine center | 22:15 |
LjL | Unless a doctor says otherwise, absolutely yes, they should take the vaccine | 22:15 |
de-facto | mib_fqswhk, yes definitely for older people its MUCH more dangerous to get COVID, vaccines can safe a LOT of lifes | 22:15 |
de-facto | ifr 70 | 22:16 |
LjL | No, the vaccine is NOT the reason why cases are spiking | 22:16 |
de-facto | .ifr 70 | 22:16 |
Brainstorm | de-facto, for every 40 infections at that age, one would progress to a fatal outcome, on average. | 22:16 |
mib_fqswhk | LjL: but I cant trust the vaccine here there are 2 covishield and covaxin something like that and all my relatives got high fever and some joined in hospital after taking vaccine | 22:16 |
LjL | If you look at numbers in countries where most people are now vaccinated, those numbers are very low now | 22:16 |
LjL | mib_fqswhk: yes, they can give you fever. Covishield is the same as the one we call AstraZeneca here, it's not the best vaccine around but it definitely doesn't make things worse, it had been used to like half of people in the UK | 22:17 |
de-facto | mib_fqswhk, i heard that from many people taking AstraZeneca shots too, they got high fever for a day or such but then everyone of them was just fine again and now they have got some level of protection | 22:18 |
mib_fqswhk | LjL de-facto what about covaxin? | 22:19 |
LjL | mib_fqswhk: I don't know much about Covaxin because it isn't used here | 22:19 |
de-facto | tbh i would be more worried about the crowd of people on the vaccination queue than the vaccine itself (having seen videos of people not distancing standing close together without masks in india) | 22:19 |
mib_fqswhk | I don't know if I should take them to vaccine centers or just lock them? | 22:20 |
mib_fqswhk | and one person 70+years old got positive and he recovered | 22:20 |
mib_fqswhk | wholefamily vbecame victims now unless me my father ad mom | 22:21 |
de-facto | yeah in 40 infections at 70 years 39 survive but one dies | 22:21 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: so its not serious? | 22:22 |
mib_fqswhk | if weare not 1 | 22:22 |
de-facto | whom of them? if we knew that we could protect that one, but since we dont know in advance only vaccinating all 40 of them lowers the risk | 22:22 |
de-facto | 1 in 40 i would say its very serious | 22:23 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: what aboutdrunkards | 22:23 |
mib_fqswhk | canthey take vaccine? | 22:23 |
de-facto | drunkards? | 22:23 |
mib_fqswhk | drunkard as in a very regular alcohol consumer | 22:23 |
mib_fqswhk | one who consure alcohol daily | 22:23 |
de-facto | ah i dont know that, i guess they could be in the risk group for COVID? | 22:24 |
mib_fqswhk | LjL: no problem | 22:24 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: not sure | 22:24 |
mib_fqswhk | alcohol kills covid no? | 22:24 |
de-facto | i heard that drinking alcohol while being vaccinated could lower the level of resulting immunity | 22:24 |
de-facto | no alcohol does not kill covid because once the virus enters inside the cells and replicates it is not reachable by drinking alcohol anymore | 22:25 |
de-facto | alcohol might have negative impact on immune system though, its probably quite complex | 22:26 |
mib_fqswhk | so decided to take vaccine for whole family but still scared | 22:26 |
mib_fqswhk | because 2 of them old | 22:26 |
mib_fqswhk | and if they infect at vaccne center | 22:27 |
de-facto | yes try to isolate them as much as possible from contact with other people, especially at vaccination center etc | 22:27 |
mib_fqswhk | and hospitals here spreading virus for all visitors | 22:27 |
de-facto | do they provide proper (K)N95 or FFP2/3 masks there? | 22:27 |
mib_fqswhk | We bought many masks | 22:28 |
de-facto | maybe you can try to get some proper ones and give it to them, make sure the edge sits airtight on their faces | 22:28 |
mib_fqswhk | I dont know what are they | 22:28 |
mib_fqswhk | covid may last for atleast 6-8moreyears right? | 22:28 |
mib_fqswhk | and how ong vaccine may work? | 22:29 |
de-facto | only the approved ones have some predictable level of protection (lowering the infection risk by filtering), cotton masks dont provide much protection (other than blocking the way for spitting into other peoples faces when speaking loudly etc) | 22:29 |
de-facto | but the main transmission path is aerosol (behaving similar to cigarette smoke) | 22:29 |
de-facto | so if you assume you could smell if someone else would smoke a cigarette that would mean there would be an open transmission path | 22:30 |
mib_fqswhk | and can we really do anything to save a covid positive patients in worst cases if they get it | 22:30 |
de-facto | i would assume doctors are giving their best to save their life | 22:31 |
ecks | icu survival rate for covid is something like 80% | 22:31 |
ecks | of course it varies depending on comorbidities | 22:31 |
de-facto | there are many approaches, but if there was any "miracle treatment" i would guess we would know by now | 22:31 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: no here doctorsare assholes i am so tired | 22:32 |
mib_fqswhk | they charging so much in private hospitals and then they are also notsaving | 22:33 |
mib_fqswhk | Govt hospitals are heavy | 22:33 |
mib_fqswhk | and full | 22:33 |
de-facto | problem is they also need the resources for treatment, i mean what should they do if there is not enough oxygen etc | 22:33 |
de-facto | idk what the situation really is there | 22:34 |
de-facto | but i heard they lack oxygen in many places, is that still true? | 22:34 |
mib_fqswhk | we have plenty of resources | 22:34 |
mib_fqswhk | but all are sold in black market | 22:34 |
mib_fqswhk | and huge corruption | 22:34 |
pwr22 | LjL my messages look "normal" on the matrix side on the portal room and so do all the IRC messages | 22:35 |
de-facto | but if there was enough supply to the hospitals, why would black markets even develop? | 22:35 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: hospitals only sell them | 22:35 |
de-facto | imho its unethical to make profit out of the emergency situation of other people, sorry to hear that | 22:36 |
pwr22 | LjL the portal room seems to work fine and could even replace the current matrix room of you wanted. Portals are just the automatically bridged rooms for freenode channels | 22:36 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: sad really but we all helpless here | 22:36 |
de-facto | mib_fqswhk, out of interest, what are the "hot items" on that blackmarket for COVID there in India? | 22:37 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: not sure particularly but almost everything | 22:37 |
mib_fqswhk | example things would be some injection iforgot its name | 22:37 |
mib_fqswhk | and oxygen cylinders | 22:37 |
de-facto | Remdesivir? | 22:38 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: Iheard it yes | 22:38 |
mib_fqswhk | I am saying in public and I dont care if something happens to my family country would pay huge | 22:38 |
de-facto | (which i never understood because Remdesivir was a bit of a disappointment, hight hopes but not so good results) | 22:38 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: not sure here everything so costly now...example a bed in private hospitalis in lakhs | 22:39 |
mib_fqswhk | 10lakks == 1 million | 22:39 |
pwr22 | mib_fqswhk I am very sorry for your loss 😟 | 22:40 |
mib_fqswhk | pwr22: so far not great loss but 2relatives diedbut I am worried only about great loss and I pray it shall never happen | 22:41 |
de-facto | 1 Lakh = 1.4k$ | 22:41 |
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mib_fqswhk | de-facto: yeah and its not just 1400$ but easily 2800+ my aunt whodies today payed close to 2800$ fornothing | 22:42 |
mib_fqswhk | and died | 22:42 |
de-facto | damn :( | 22:42 |
mib_fqswhk | what about cost in different places | 22:42 |
mib_fqswhk | I can afford money for now when it matters life | 22:43 |
mib_fqswhk | I am preparing close to 1ok$but I dont have guarantee | 22:43 |
mib_fqswhk | if money can really save | 22:43 |
pwr22 | Hopefully the situation will improve in a big way soon | 22:44 |
mib_fqswhk | Luckily God gave me some money a right time but I am worried about poor people also | 22:44 |
mib_fqswhk | poor people cant spent 1k$ at all its so high | 22:44 |
mib_fqswhk | for many in India | 22:44 |
de-facto | hospital treatment ~11k€ and ICU ~39k€ in Germany per case | 22:46 |
de-facto | per COVID case, not sure how many days | 22:46 |
mib_fqswhk | here icu would cost more than that or same I think | 22:46 |
mib_fqswhk | my aunt not got in icu | 22:46 |
mib_fqswhk | looks like I shall save more | 22:47 |
mib_fqswhk | I can sell my house but no one are buying these days | 22:48 |
mib_fqswhk | fucking covid so frustrating....Iamgoing offline now thanks | 22:48 |
de-facto | 10% of severe ICU cases even would be like 85k€ | 22:49 |
de-facto | .title https://www.aerztezeitung.de/Politik/Was-kostet-Corona-das-Gesundheitswesen-Kassendaten-geben-Einblick-413830.html source in German lang | 22:49 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.aerztezeitung.de: Was kostet Corona das Gesundheitswesen? | 22:49 |
mib_fqswhk | de-facto: damn | 22:49 |
mib_fqswhk | Germany also sucks then | 22:49 |
mib_fqswhk | thats too costly | 22:49 |
de-facto | i tried to put google translate on that link but the annoying cookies popup would block that functionality | 22:50 |
de-facto | yeah very expensive | 22:50 |
mib_fqswhk | okno prob | 22:50 |
mib_fqswhk | can german spend 85K | 22:50 |
mib_fqswhk | every one? | 22:50 |
de-facto | everyone here has to have insurance | 22:50 |
de-facto | so yes | 22:51 |
mib_fqswhk | insurance? | 22:51 |
mib_fqswhk | Govt pays for it? | 22:51 |
de-facto | health insurrance, one would pay a fee to be member and in case one would need it it would pay for such cases | 22:51 |
de-facto | its mandatory here | 22:51 |
de-facto | it depends on income etc | 22:51 |
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mib_fqswhk | thanks de-facto | 22:53 |
de-facto | i really hope for the best for India, Brazil etc | 22:55 |
de-facto | also Nepal, Argentina, Colombia, Uruguay | 22:59 |
de-facto | https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/uruguay/ | 23:02 |
de-facto | heh LjL look at that site there, they have containment measures below their graph | 23:03 |
de-facto | thats pretty cool actually | 23:03 |
de-facto | yeah their upstream for that is https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/research-projects/covid-19-government-response-tracker | 23:04 |
de-facto | so we know already about that one | 23:04 |
de-facto | yet nicely donw | 23:05 |
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LjL | test | 23:55 |
de-facto | workx | 23:55 |
LjL | :) | 23:55 |
LjL | de-facto, pwr22: it looks like maybe the libera bridge (the official one) is now working in both directions, also in plumbed rooms | 23:55 |
Bridgestorm | <LjL> that doesn't highlight you though I guess Peter | 23:55 |
Bridgestorm | <LjL> one of the many issues of running bridges of this sort :P | 23:56 |
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