| de-facto | if that was one trusted site it would be easy to verify for anyone if a vaccination is authentic or not | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| de-facto | ofc would have to be individualized links | 00:00 |
| de-facto | even just a SHA256 about some info (with a secret salt) would have already been enough, printing out 64 letters | 00:02 |
| de-facto | can that be so difficult? | 00:02 |
| de-facto | or publishing that hash in the blockchain as comment for a tiny BTC transaction, then the claim would have been proven to 1) be authentic (secret salt) and 2) pinned on a time (when appearing in the blockchain) | 00:04 |
| LjL | de-facto, they give us a QR | 00:04 |
| LjL | with all the things you say | 00:05 |
| LjL | maybe i can show you mine with something blanked out | 00:05 |
| LjL | i mean, the QR you'll just have to trust, but the rest of the information is also in text :P | 00:05 |
| de-facto | oh nice, well i did not get *anything* but a sticker in my yellow vaccination booklet and a signature there | 00:05 |
| de-facto | and its not like i asked for that on every station, they just did not have any cert or such | 00:06 |
| LjL | de-facto, we have an electronic vaccination record, i can print a list of vaccinations i have had if i need that | 00:06 |
| de-facto | so basically i went away with the injection, the sticker and signature in the yellow WHO vaccination booklet | 00:07 |
| de-facto | LjL, that is REALLY nice, i wish we had that too | 00:07 |
| LjL | de-facto, logging in is a nightmare though | 00:07 |
| LjL | we used to need a card reader to read our healthcare card's chip | 00:07 |
| LjL | now we use this SPID thing that is a national eID that can be used with a number of things, but still a chore to get and use | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +8881 cases (now 1.7 million), +127 deaths (now 57310) since 23 hours ago | 00:08 |
| dTal | Okay this is a bit weiird | 00:09 |
| dTal | I'm getting sharp pains in my upper right arm | 00:09 |
| dTal | not at the injection site, a little further down and around | 00:10 |
| de-facto | 2 days ago? | 00:10 |
| dTal | Saturday | 00:11 |
| dTal | so 4 days | 00:11 |
| de-facto | i think it hurting is more or less normal, not sure what you mean with sharp pain though | 00:11 |
| dTal | today is the first day the injection site hasn't felt bruised | 00:11 |
| de-facto | for me it was hurting 3 days | 00:11 |
| dTal | this is different | 00:12 |
| de-facto | in what way different? | 00:13 |
| dTal | like an ache that breaks out into very brief but intense sharp cramps | 00:13 |
| de-facto | hmm muscle cramps? | 00:13 |
| dTal | I can't exactly recall feeling this sensation before | 00:13 |
| dTal | no not muscle cramps | 00:14 |
| dTal | it's hard to describe | 00:14 |
| de-facto | its a bit weird, i cant make any sense out of it | 00:14 |
| dTal | not clotting I hope | 00:15 |
| de-facto | can you provide yourself with some magnesium or such (to mitigate cramps, maybe the muscle is a bit out of balance or such)? | 00:15 |
| de-facto | i dont have any idea how that would manifest | 00:16 |
| dTal | I don't have any of the good magnesium, all I have is oxide | 00:16 |
| de-facto | or banana? | 00:16 |
| dTal | but the muscle feels fine anyway, I could hit a hammer just fine | 00:17 |
| dTal | it doesn't seem at all related to what the arm is doing | 00:17 |
| de-facto | idk i would try to do some moderate physical movements, just to ramp up metabolism in the muscle and drink and eat good stuff | 00:19 |
| de-facto | me, being a bit exaggerating about stuff i also take aspirin and nac, but i am not sure if that would be recommended for anyone else | 00:19 |
| de-facto | i had my arm hurting, sometimes a bit more, other times a bit less, but basically only 3 days | 00:20 |
| de-facto | i heard about others having longer aches though | 00:20 |
| de-facto | dTal, not sure maybe massage that muscle? | 00:21 |
| de-facto | i dont have a clue about such medical things, just telling you what i would do | 00:22 |
| dTal | yeah just did | 00:22 |
| dTal | probably I'm paying closer attention to aches and pains than I otherwise would | 00:22 |
| de-facto | i mean its an inflammation, cells being killed and all that, so it probably can ache a bit more and other times less, yet it will regenerate eventually | 00:23 |
| de-facto | i had the feeling that it would become less of an ache when i was eating protein rich diet and moving it moderately (ofc not workout or such) | 00:24 |
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| LjL-Matrix | this is my certificate de-facto , hopefully anonymized enough | 00:24 |
| de-facto | nice so with that QR code they could check authenticity? | 00:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | presumably | 00:26 |
| de-facto | i guess you scanned it and looked at that data | 00:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | I haven't tried to reverse-engineer it | 00:26 |
| de-facto | aaw but LjL ... :P | 00:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | I didn't check the code | 00:26 |
| LjL-Matrix | Also though this is a Lombardy-specific paper so I bet it's not gonna be interoperable with other regions | 00:26 |
| de-facto | i did even scan the code they had on the intermediate documents in the center | 00:26 |
| de-facto | i still have the it, it just encoded my full dataset, with everything, also the questions answered (allergy, that i take aspirin etc) | 00:27 |
| de-facto | well if an official center of Lombardy can verify it they always could transition to a more generic thing with that | 00:28 |
| de-facto | i even made pictures from all the documents i signed there | 00:28 |
| de-facto | was not allowed to do that, did it anyway | 00:28 |
| de-facto | LjL-Matrix, can you scan the QR and look if it contains any hash or such or unique code for your ID or if its just plaintext data stuff? | 00:29 |
| LjL-Matrix | Okaaaaay | 00:30 |
| de-facto | like, is it verifiable or fakeable? | 00:30 |
| LjL-Matrix | I think they wouldn't have been happy if I had taken pictures in there | 00:30 |
| de-facto | yeah it was not allowed | 00:30 |
| de-facto | i did not take pics of any other people or the center, just my documents | 00:31 |
| de-facto | (and i did it in a way they would not notice, so maybe i would have gotten into trouble if they did) | 00:32 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: it contains the booking code, date and time in cleartext, then a seemingly base64 string that decodes into binary I cannot make sense of so it may presumably be encrypted | 00:34 |
| de-facto | nice so maybe thats a signature then | 00:34 |
| de-facto | like a watermark or such | 00:35 |
| de-facto | the intermediate code from vax center just contains cleartext of my record and some ID and GUID, i dont think its a sig but just a reference to some db or such | 00:36 |
| de-facto | but thats only for their internal use anyhow | 00:37 |
| de-facto | actually a proper PKI would be best for that, publicly verifiable signatures derived from signing with a private key and verifiable with the public key | 00:42 |
| de-facto | also with granular private keys (e.g. each vaccination center having its own private key), so if some leaks would occur they could be revoked without affecting too many | 00:42 |
| de-facto | chain of trust, back to national level and EU level | 00:43 |
| LjL | de-facto, well happily the EU green passport is all on github likely including all those things! | 00:43 |
| LjL | and by "likely" i mean "i'm sure de-facto will check" | 00:43 |
| de-facto | i have to admit i did not read into the code, just linked it here | 00:44 |
| de-facto | my head is trash since i stopped drinking coffee, cant focus | 00:44 |
| de-facto | hopefully over in a few days | 00:44 |
| LjL | de-facto, i think it might be a bit overkill to stop drinking coffee just because dTal linked one random paper that's not even about COVID | 00:49 |
| de-facto | yeah its just me i am like that | 00:49 |
| LjL | if you like coffee and it makes you feel good it's a positive addition to your life that afaik has very few health drawbacks in moderation, and as such don't you think indulging in it may lower your stress and ultimately make your immune defenses better? :P | 00:49 |
| de-facto | well i think i would be better without being dependent on it on the longterm | 00:50 |
| de-facto | i mean if i am used to it its not giving me a push anyhow, its just "normal" so why not being normal without it then? | 00:52 |
| LjL | because it tastes good and signals to my body that breakfast is done and the day has begun | 00:52 |
| LjL | well, the late afternoon has begun | 00:52 |
| de-facto | yes same was with my morning cig back a year ago, until i realized im just fine without it too | 00:53 |
| de-facto | i was like drinking my coffee while reading news, then going for a cig then going to the toilet then leaving | 00:54 |
| de-facto | i did not even eat anything | 00:54 |
| de-facto | btw LjL how is your arm? | 00:57 |
| LjL | de-facto: it's fine although I think it still hurts veeeery slightly if I push the spot | 01:00 |
| de-facto | yeah i had that too, it was like a ellipsoid inside the muscle where it was a bit harder and sore, i guess the inflammation zone, it was not hurting by moving at the end but just by squeezing it | 01:05 |
| de-facto | before when it sore that it also hurt when moving it was a bit more at some times and a bit less at other times, sometimes even when resting | 01:06 |
| de-facto | i am still a bit worried that drinking so much coffee might have dampened the reaction too much, 3 days is less than from most others that i heard from | 01:07 |
| * pwr22 thinks de-facto sounds very scientific in describing his deltoid ellipsoid 😛 | 01:07 | |
| pwr22 | I doubt coffee will have had a significant effect personally | 01:08 |
| pwr22 | Coffee is common enough that we would probably see issues with it by now if it caused them 🤔 | 01:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Curacao: +6 cases (now 12287) since a day ago | 01:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: Macron backs waiving COVID-19 vaccine patents ahead of G7 summit → https://is.gd/TijSUK | 01:10 |
| de-facto | so if they found a caffeine dose dependent dampening of the antibody reaction in mice to exposure with an foreign protein as antigen, could that possibly also be linked to secondary effects such as: caffeine would prevent the mice from sleeping in a dose dependent way and thereby also dampen the immune reaction by substance induced insomnia? | 01:10 |
| pwr22 | I dunno, it can be quite difficult to tease out cause and effects in such things | 01:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Norway: +212 cases (now 127466) since 23 hours ago — Zimbabwe: +111 cases (now 39432), +5 deaths (now 1622) since a day ago — Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10851) since 10 hours ago | 01:35 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.08.447308v1 | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: The ChAdOx1 vectored vaccine, AZD2816, induces strong immunogenicity against SARS-CoV-2 B.1.351 and other variants of concern in preclinical studies. | bioRxiv | 02:05 |
| LjL | %wik original antigenic sin | 02:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Original antigenic sin, also known as antigenic imprinting or the Hoskins effect, refers to the propensity of the body's immune system to preferentially utilize immunological memory based on a previous infection when a second slightly different version of that foreign pathogen (e.g. a virus or [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin | 02:07 |
| de-facto | hmm yeah i know about that, yet idk if its determined that any kind of problem is to be expected in our scenario here from that effect | 02:10 |
| LjL | i looked it up because it's mentioned in the abstract you linked | 02:11 |
| de-facto | example: the other covs also mutate (was it complete evasion in a few years?) yet immunity can get updated | 02:11 |
| de-facto | "We demonstrate AZD2816 is immunogenic after a single dose and when used as a booster dose in animals primed with original vaccine AZD1222, we see no evidence of original antigenic sin but high titre antibodies against a number of variant spike proteins." | 02:14 |
| de-facto | so yeah that would be consistent with that i guess | 02:14 |
| de-facto | i think we can expect to get shots to for "antivirus signature updates" every fall that work just fine | 02:16 |
| de-facto | kinda of a COVID patch day :D | 02:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, just fine for something that has already been around infecting people | 02:25 |
| LjL | that doesn't make me jump in joy | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Seattle Becomes First Major American City to Fully Vaccinate 70 Percent of Residents 12 and Older → https://is.gd/w6eRwg | 02:36 |
| de-facto | i mean what should i say? since we cant get our things organized for a global synchronized vaccination campaign it wont go away, hence having shots that update our immunity "just fine" would be a good thing to have i guess | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +5094 cases (now 4.5 million), +7 deaths (now 127989) since 22 hours ago — Tunisia: +2102 cases (now 360285), +103 deaths (now 13229) since a day ago — Malawi: +22 cases (now 34432) since a day ago — Canada: +1416 cases (now 1.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 02:37 |
| de-facto | we were discussing this scenario (spread of the phylogenetic tree into several evasive mutants) over a year ago here in irc hence i guess the experts should have know in even more detail even sooner | 02:39 |
| de-facto | a closing window in time for immunization with just the original spike, we had almost a year with the original variant, now we have to make multivalent vaccines | 02:40 |
| * de-facto has to get some sleep, gn8 | 02:43 | |
| Lindisfarne | yep thats always been the chief risk, unconstrained mutation | 02:46 |
| LjL | i would jump in joy if we figured out a way to *predict* what mutations are most likely and most advantageous, ideally using computers so it doesn't take fancy BSL# laboratories with long times and further risks | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fr. Polynesia: +12 cases (now 18914) since a day ago | 03:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The world has marked the first rise in child labour in two decades and the coronavirus crisis threatens to push millions more youngsters toward the same fate. The UN report said the number of child laborers stood at 160 million at the start of 2020 -- an increase of 8.4 million in four years. → https://is.gd/5miKh6 | 03:40 |
| Lindisfarne | LjL you're talking about the ability to design custom viruses for lethality, transmissibility, etc | 04:09 |
| Lindisfarne | I hope we never gain that function, pun intended | 04:09 |
| LjL | well i hope i don't spend the rest of my life wondering whether i'll make it in time for the autumn shot before getting the newest nasty variant | 04:10 |
| LjL | if that involves gain of function research... uh, well, this virus likely came out of that in the first place, i think that jar has been opened | 04:10 |
| LjL | and i would add that if gain of function research is bound to happen, which i suspect it is, i'd rather it be in silico if possible, to avoid future whoopsies | 04:12 |
| Lindisfarne | ai meta-germ warfare | 04:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Liberia: +92 cases (now 2382) since 2 days ago — Benin: +27 cases (now 8109) since 6 days ago | 04:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +1826 cases (now 265662), +30 deaths (now 8361) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +5486 cases (now 4.5 million), +5 deaths (now 127991) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +1216 cases (now 1.7 million), +6 deaths (now 17831) since 21 hours ago — Macau: +1 cases (now 52) since 7 days ago | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Texas hospital suspends nearly 200 workers for refusing to get COVID-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/eK1eMh | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +3855 cases (now 2.4 million), +253 deaths (now 229353) since a day ago | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: In UK on first foreign trip, Joe Biden to announce Covid-19 vaccine plan → https://is.gd/MO47Rr | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US to buy 500 million Pfizer vaccines to share globally: Sources → https://is.gd/qkCl1s | 05:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1183 cases (now 1.1 million), +10 deaths (now 25061) since a day ago | 06:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 766: The CORONA project with David Fajgenbaum: David joins TWiV to relate how his near-death experience with Castleman’s disease motivated him to found the Center for Cytokine Storm Treatment & Laboratory and the CORONA project to identify and track all treatments reported for COVID-19 in an open-source data repository. → https://is.gd/q2sTgx | 06:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: Molecular changes in white blood cells can help diagnose 'the bends' earlier in divers: Despite knowing about decompression sickness - or 'the bends' - for more than a century, researchers are still mystified about how this condition occurs. A new study published by the open access journal Frontiers is the first to explore the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WPPN9f | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Here’s how flu vaccine can help keep kids safe in case of a Covid-19 third wave → https://is.gd/c9s1AY | 06:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India records world’s highest single-day COVID-19 death toll with 6,148 fatalities → https://is.gd/j096B5 | 07:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil: +10927 cases (now 1.4 million), +172 deaths (now 35581) since 23 hours ago — Texas, United States: +11210 cases (now 3.0 million), +37 deaths (now 51814) since 23 hours ago — Bahia, Brazil: +6733 cases (now 1.0 million), +125 deaths (now 22064) since 23 hours ago [... want %more?] | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +3839 cases (now 396814), +70 deaths (now 15247) since a day ago — Kyrgyzstan: +494 cases (now 108667), +5 deaths (now 1869) since 21 hours ago | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A second NSW woman, 52, has died of blood clotting after receiving AstraZeneca vaccine → https://is.gd/KUSV1b | 08:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Germany makes rapid virus tests a key to everyday freedoms → https://is.gd/mLjbKF | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mongolia: +1460 cases (now 70482), +10 deaths (now 334) since a day ago — India: +62505 cases (now 29.2 million), +2781 deaths (now 356309) since 18 hours ago | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Doctors Suspect Delta Variant Behind Hearing Loss, Severe Blood Clots In Covid Patients: some Covid patients are developing very severe blood clots that are killing affected tissues, leading to gangrene. “I saw 3 to 4 cases the whole of last year, and now it’s one patient a week" → https://is.gd/iVHIq1 | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | June 10, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/hZFfOW | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Taiwan: +254 cases (now 12222), +28 deaths (now 361) since 23 hours ago | 09:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Seven days in medicine: 2-8 June 2021: Covid-19Antibodies “cut reinfections” in care homesA study of 682 residents and 1429 members of staff at 97 long term care facilities in England indicated that having antibodies to SARS-CoV-2... → https://is.gd/GGCYeX | 10:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Sri Lanka requests Japan to provide 6,00,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine → https://is.gd/CIY92b | 10:11 |
| pwr22 | Morning everyone | 10:11 |
| pwr22 | Did anyone else see the announcement that the US Gov is going to buy a bunch of Pfizer and give it to less fortunate countries? | 10:12 |
| mambang[m] | that nice | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mizoram, India: +338 cases (now 14534), +1 deaths (now 58) since 23 hours ago | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India reports more than 6,000 daily Covid deaths — highest ever in the world → https://is.gd/jBY5W6 | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: More transmissible, wilier variant makes Covid-19 vaccinations even more crucial, experts say: There is a new coronavirus variant, one with a nasty combination of features that make it even more dangerous than the other strains that have caused global alarms. → https://is.gd/tmk6cO | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: The future of pandemic preparedness: agile coordination around clinical trials: It may feel paradoxical to begin preparing for an unknown future pandemic when Covid-19 is still largely present, but that future starts now. → https://is.gd/I1RhEF | 10:55 |
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| KREYREN[m] | "Look key sticks to meee" | 10:59 |
| KREYREN[m] | "vaccine bad" | 10:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +7470 cases (now 1.3 million), +122 deaths (now 22312) since a day ago | 11:07 |
| mambang[m] | %cases Malaysia | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: In Malaysia, there have been 633891 confirmed cases (1.9% of the population) and 3611 deaths (0.6% of cases) as of 22 hours ago. 12.9 million tests were performed (4.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. | 11:17 |
| mambang[m] | %cases Austria | 11:18 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: In Austria, there have been 647688 confirmed cases (7.3% of the population) and 10650 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 46.9 million tests were performed (1.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 8.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 11:18 |
| mambang[m] | %cases China | 11:19 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: In China, there have been 97283 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 4741 deaths (4.9% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 160.0 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. | 11:19 |
| mambang[m] | that absurb. China is faking the numbers | 11:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +11699 cases (now 5.2 million), +383 deaths (now 125278) since a day ago — Germany: +2101 cases (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Hospital waiting list tops 5m in England: But number of people waiting over a year drops for first time since pandemic began. → https://is.gd/K821fD | 11:38 |
| undefined_bob | mambang[m]: russia too | 11:44 |
| mambang[m] | %cases russia | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | mambang[m]: In Russia, there have been 5.2 million confirmed cases (3.5% of the population) and 125278 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 13 minutes ago. 141.5 million tests were performed (3.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 11:45 |
| mambang[m] | look like the number are cool. why you think russian fake the number? should it lower or more? undefined_bob | 11:47 |
| undefined_bob | should be more | 11:47 |
| undefined_bob | india doesnt fake, they just cant test enough | 11:47 |
| mambang[m] | sputnik not working? | 11:48 |
| undefined_bob | not working would be too harsh. they just havent released all the data other scientists wanted to check their study data. on some of their published data look suspicious, like its made up | 11:49 |
| undefined_bob | and until they released/shared the requested raw data other scientists cant confirm the papers of the russia vaccine | 11:50 |
| undefined_bob | and as far as I remember one of the south american countries which got a delivery of the russian vaccine rejected it because they found too many impurities | 11:51 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | undefined_bob: wasn't that Slovakia? | 11:59 |
| undefined_bob | humpelstilzchen[: could be, I dont remember which country it was but I really think it was one in south america. Maybe it was more than one country? | 12:00 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Colloquio telefonico Draghi - Stoltenberg ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/colloquio-telefonico-draghi-stoltenberg/17083 ) | 12:06 | |
| mambang[m] | > not working would be too harsh. they just havent released all the data other scientists wanted to check their study data. on some of their published data look suspicious, like its made up | 12:07 |
| mambang[m] | research paper are suspicious unless it comes with raw data and process data. | 12:07 |
| undefined_bob | mambang[m]: instead it came with data to which other scientist said 'uhm that looked photoshoped. Can we have the raw data please' and Russia 'no' | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: AstraZeneca vaccine linked with small risk of ITP, real world data show: The AstraZeneca covid-19 vaccine is associated with a small increased risk of immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), real world data from Scotland’s vaccination programme has shown.The autoimmune... → https://is.gd/QKvLxu | 13:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Coronavirus: UK health secretary hits back at Dominic Cummings over pandemic lying claims → https://is.gd/wKki4T | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: ‘Extremely rare’: Australia records second death ‘likely linked’ to AstraZeneca vaccine blood clots → https://is.gd/LgBdaN | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: COVID-19: Learning from experience: With increasing social gatherings, greater population mobility, and large festivals and sports tournaments taking place in the coming days and weeks, WHO/Europe calls for caution. COVID-19 notification rates across the Region show that widespread community transmission continues; the new Delta [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/WPETEQ | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Delta variant: Time between NI Covid vaccines to be shortened → https://is.gd/JUxJI5 | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +2 deaths (now 10852) since 23 hours ago | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: New Covid guidelines for children: Experts on wearing masks, steroids, six minute walk test → https://is.gd/pxXchz | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: U.S. Surgeon General on Emotional Well-Being and Fighting the Opioid Epidemic: From September 2019 to September 2020, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported nearly 90,000 overdose deaths in the United States. These latest data on the nation’s opioid crisis offer another stark reminder that help is [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IgMdEQ | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +8892 cases (now 1.9 million), +211 deaths (now 52373) since a day ago — Nepal: +2874 cases (now 601687), +59 deaths (now 8238) since 22 hours ago | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: U.S. to donate 500 million Covid vaccine doses; WTO to step up talks on waiving IP protection for Covid shots → https://is.gd/anAkhW | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +2576 cases (now 820395), +40 deaths (now 12989) since 23 hours ago — Afghanistan: +2438 cases (now 87716), +56 deaths (now 3412) since 23 hours ago | 15:40 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Convocazione del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 23 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/convocazione-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-23/17092 ) | 15:57 | |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Consiglio dei Ministri n. 23 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/consiglio-dei-ministri-n-23/17093 ) | 15:57 | |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: With the pandemic far from over, we all need to practice #SummerSense: With lockdowns easing in many countries across the European Region, many are finding themselves tempted to begin booking foreign holidays, attending music festivals and sporting events, or possibly heading to popular beach resorts. Today, WHO/Europe launches the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/O045CS | 16:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +6982 cases (now 29.2 million), +128 deaths (now 356437) since 8 hours ago | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Thursday 10 June 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/xCLoFF | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Correspondence to: Humoral immune response to COVID-19 mRNA vaccine in patients with multiple sclerosis treated with high-efficacy disease-modifying therapies. → https://is.gd/alwcOc | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +910 cases (now 855432), +6 deaths (now 17043) since 22 hours ago | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Data-driven Approaches to Healthcare Provider Resilience & Burnout During COVID-19 → https://is.gd/2oVtQZ | 18:09 |
| LjL | <CoronaBot> /r/covid19: Poor antibody response to BioNTech/Pfizer COVID-19 vaccination in SARS-CoV-2 naïve residents of nursing homes (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.08.21258366v1 | https://redd.it/nwirbb | 18:30 |
| LjL | maybe to de-facto's delight, AZ will actually prove to be better in elderly/vulnerable population? :P | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Pandemic Boosted Drinking Among Americans Over 50: A new poll finds drinking rose among older Americans during the worst of the pandemic, and that could put their health at risk. → https://is.gd/7TtTiJ | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +4684 cases (now 1.2 million), +34 deaths (now 16648) since a day ago | 18:34 |
| Lindisfarne | Northern Ireland accelerating gap between vaccine doses from 12w to 8 | 18:49 |
| Lindisfarne | Delta variant is the cause | 18:50 |
| darsie | Is Moderna or BioNTech/Pfizer better? | 18:55 |
| Lindisfarne | not sure there's good data on that | 18:55 |
| Lindisfarne | both are over 90% iirc | 18:56 |
| Lindisfarne | Pfizer might be 95% | 18:56 |
| darsie | ok. How about harm? | 18:56 |
| Lindisfarne | not aware of any harm, although young ppl have had myocardia | 18:57 |
| Lindisfarne | IMO I think anything with the spike is going to carry that risk, since the spike alone has been observed to propagate damage to mitochondria | 18:58 |
| darsie | Myocardial infarction? | 18:58 |
| darsie | I'm not "young", though. | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +624 cases (now 174285), +17 deaths (now 3362) since 23 hours ago — Israel: +39 cases (now 839624), +10 deaths (now 6428) since 2 days ago | 18:59 |
| Lindisfarne | no, myocardia | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 10 giugno 2021: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19 in relazione alla garadell'11 giugno 2021 del Campionato europeo di calcio UEFA EURO 2020,Turchia-Italia, presso lo Stadio Olimpico di Roma. (21A03618) → https://is.gd/4wnMRL | 19:04 |
| darsie | myocardia is an uncommon word. | 19:04 |
| darsie | myocardia See myocardium; myocardium the muscular tissue of the heart | 19:05 |
| Lindisfarne | in the US, this is how doctors describe swelling of the muscle in heart tissue | 19:07 |
| darsie | So ppl had muscular tissue of the heart after the Moderna vaccine? :) | 19:09 |
| darsie | ok | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +2078 cases (now 4.2 million), +88 deaths (now 126855) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +2203 cases (now 3.7 million), +64 deaths (now 89878) since 23 hours ago | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: The COVID-19 virus can cause diabetes, new studies find: The virus actually destroys the cells in the pancreas that make insulin." → https://is.gd/MT01CW | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Europe asks: Can Biden put his money where his mouth is?: Burned by Biden’s vaccine policy, the Belgian prime minister says Europeans can’t always count on the US. → https://is.gd/m4fBcD | 19:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +1286 cases (now 462528) since a day ago — Kosovo: +116 cases (now 107544) since a day ago | 20:01 |
| LjL | more fire over AZ in Italy... a 18 year old girl who had developed thrombosis from it died today, and AIFA and the scientific committee and the press and everyone are dancing around whether it should be "strongly recommended" for people over 60 or just banned for people under a certain age or women under a certain age or everyone or what | 20:14 |
| LjL | darsie, myocarditis is what will find you hits | 20:15 |
| darsie | ok | 20:15 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Taiwan says AstraZeneca COVID shot production talks fell through → https://is.gd/6mg4T2 | 20:20 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Comunicato stampa del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 23 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/comunicato-stampa-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-23/17121 ) | 20:22 | |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sri Lanka: +2738 cases (now 216134) since 15 hours ago | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: High COVID vaccine uptake may protect the unvaccinated: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jun 10, 2021 For every 20 percentage points of vaccinated people, positive COVID-19 tests in unvaccinated children halved. → https://is.gd/5BjiZO | 21:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +2146 cases (now 105909), +8 deaths (now 1332) since a day ago | 21:03 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Il Presidente Draghi al Vertice G7 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/il-presidente-draghi-al-vertice-g7/17122 ) | 21:07 | |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jun 10, 2021: Immunoglobulin for COVID vaccine clots Heart health, comorbidities, COVID-19 Saudi MERS case Wolbachia mosquitoes against dengue Avian flu in 3 countries → https://is.gd/WBZyMg | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +14004 cases (now 3.7 million), +133 deaths (now 80465) since a day ago — France: +87 deaths (now 110288) since 19 hours ago | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: African health officials welcome COVID vaccine, other support: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Jun 10, 2021 Elsewhere, European officials say only 30% of the population has received 1 vaccine dose. → https://is.gd/Su7w6J | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Delta Variant and COVID-19 Vaccines: What to Know: A study conducted in the United Kingdom finds that one dose of the Pfizer vaccine provided about 33% protection against the Delta variant, first identified in India. → https://is.gd/9iMeMC | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: FDA accuses company of distributing unapproved Covid test and using falsified data: The FDA announced a recall Thursday of a coronavirus rapid antigen test, accusing the company that makes the tests of distributing them without regulatory approval. → https://is.gd/ay3QJ6 | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +9147 cases (now 1.7 million), +100 deaths (now 57410) since 22 hours ago | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: American Society for Virology: Free COVID-19 Vaccine Education Town Hall. Scientific experts from major colleges and universities across the country are hosting a series of live meetings to answer your questions about COVID-19 vaccination. → https://is.gd/uA8fDq | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tunisia: +2373 cases (now 362658), +76 deaths (now 13305) since 20 hours ago — Namibia: +1045 cases (now 61374), +18 deaths (now 968) since a day ago — Canada: +16 deaths (now 25848) since 20 hours ago | 23:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): UK to donate more than 100m surplus vaccine doses, says PM → https://is.gd/2ez0aY | 23:45 |
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