libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2021-06-18

de-factonixonix, which one is the moscow mutant?00:02
nixonixSome suggested that the U.S. should have delayed second doses of the vaccine for several weeks, delivering first shots more widely to high-risk people, in order to give some protection to more people. This approach was hotly debated; Dr. Anthony Fauci said he was opposed00:02
nixonixim not sure which one do they mean, i thought it was in the link you pasted00:03
nixonixthe one i commented, with some changes00:03
de-factothat is the development prior to the reuters article00:04
de-factoi am not sure about the most recent development, i just assumed it might be one of those that raised in their analysis there00:04
nixonixthe above quote was from this https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/us/coronavirus-today.html00:04
de-factobut maybe its a completely new one?00:04
de-factoaww i have to install those extensions that disable js for nytimes paywalls00:05
nixonixcheck topol and feigl-ding, its there if its woth mentioning, and prob even if it isnt00:05
nixonixworth00:05
nixonixthat nyt article works for me with js disabled00:06
nixonixbut there was just that quote about delaying shots in usa00:06
de-factoah ok i thought it was about mo scow00:07
nixonixA new $3.2 billion program will support the development of antiviral pills, which could start arriving by the end of this year.00:08
de-factoi want to have a list of mutations, because i suspect them to be completely different from the other ones00:08
nixonixor then it couldnt...00:08
nixonix.title https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/17/health/covid-pill-antiviral.html00:08
Brainstormnixonix: From www.nytimes.com: A Pill to Treat Covid-19? The U.S. Is Betting on It. - The New York Times00:08
nixonixi think its the one you linked, because nothing recent in twitter00:10
nixonixand it will take time anyway to became problem, so its prob been sequenced and sent to databases weeks or months ago00:11
de-factoSputnik making big TamTam about offering a booster against Delta soon00:14
Jigsyhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/delta-variant-is-linked-to-90-of-covid-cases-in-uk00:15
Jigsy%title00:15
BrainstormJigsy: From www.theguardian.com: Delta variant causes more than 90% of new Covid cases in UK | Coronavirus | The Guardian00:15
Jigsy>Of the 42 deaths recorded in England within 28 days of a positive test involving the Delta variant, 23 were in unvaccinated people, with 12 among those who were fully vaccinated00:15
JigsyThat's concerning.00:15
de-facto.title https://covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw?show=B.1.617.2%2CB.1.1.7&lineage=B.1.617.2&colorBy=p00:16
Brainstormde-facto: From covid19.sanger.ac.uk: COVID-19 Genomic Surveillance – Wellcome Sanger Institute00:16
Brainstormde-facto: From covid19.sanger.ac.uk: COVID-19 Genomic Surveillance – Wellcome Sanger Institute00:16
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hundreds of vaccinated Indonesian health workers get COVID-19, dozens in hospital → https://is.gd/qP9vAE00:17
nixonix.title https://japantoday.com/category/world/new-zealand-lays-out-vaccine-plan-after-grumbling-over-delay00:19
Brainstormnixonix: From japantoday.com: New Zealand lays out vaccine plan after grumbling over delay - Japan Today00:19
de-factowe need to accelerate vaccination campaign worldwide urgently, i dont like that breakthrough breeding00:20
de-factofaster updates way more shots00:20
nixonixsome of vaccines that are weak, and also when using long intervals between doses, may give more opportunities for new variants to appear and also spread among partly immunized people00:26
nixonixthen again, large numbers of infections will also give more opportunites for new variants00:26
nixonixthis isnt new, but was interesting:00:29
nixonix.title https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6525/17200:29
Brainstormnixonix: From science.sciencemag.org: Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 on mink farms between humans and mink and back to humans | Science00:29
nixonix.title https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tenfold-increase-in-covid-cases-in-cornwall-following-bank-holiday-sunshine-and-g7-preparations-105665100:32
Brainstormnixonix: From inews.co.uk: Tenfold increase in Covid cases in Cornwall following Bank Holiday sunshine and G7 preparations00:32
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Five priorities for universal COVID-19 vaccination: The COVID-19 pandemic is confronting global leaders with the unprecedented challenge of coordinating their actions in a global environment of uneven resources. Large populations around the world will continue to remain susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection.1 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ioBXWI00:38
nixonixheres the other one of the recent reinfection studies i mentioned about, this one from italy. i have to locate the other one still00:38
nixonix.title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/278055700:38
Brainstormnixonix: From jamanetwork.com: Assessment of SARS-CoV-2 Reinfection 1 Year After Primary Infection in a Population in Lombardy, Italy | Infectious Diseases | JAMA Internal Medicine | JAMA Network00:38
de-facto.title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/278111200:43
Brainstormde-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Associations of Vaccination and of Prior Infection With Positive PCR Test Results for SARS-CoV-2 in Airline Passengers Arriving in Qatar | Global Health | JAMA | JAMA Network00:43
LjLItaly is going to stop requiring masks outdoors starting in July "if data allows"00:47
de-facto"In total, 261 849 persons (75.1% male) were tested using PCR for SARS-CoV-2 upon arrival at the Qatar airport. Median age was 33 years (interquartile range, 27-41 years). Of 31 190 completely vaccinated individuals (group 1; 99.7% with BNT162b2 and 0.3% with mRNA-1273) and 215 901 individuals with no record of vaccination or prior infection (group 2), 10 092 could be matched, among whom PCR positivity was 0.82% (95% CI, 0.66%-1.000:47
de-facto1%) and 3.74% (95% CI, 3.37%-4.12%), respectively"00:47
de-facto"Of 9180 individuals with no record of vaccination, but a record of prior infection at least 90 days before the PCR test (group 3), 7694 could be matched to individuals with no record of vaccination or prior infection (group 2), among whom PCR positivity was 1.01% (95% CI, 0.80%-1.26%) and 3.81% (95% CI, 3.39%-4.26%), respectively"00:47
de-facto"The relative risk for PCR positivity was 0.22 (95% CI, 0.17-0.28) for vaccinated individuals and 0.26 (95% CI, 0.21-0.34) for individuals with prior infection compared with no record of vaccination or prior infection"00:47
de-facto"Sequencing of 72 PCR-positive specimens from arriving passengers identified B.1.351 (beta; n = 32; 44.4%), B.1.1.7 (alpha; n = 20; 27.8%), B.1.617 (delta; n = 8; 11.1%), and “wild-type” strains (n = 12; 16.7%)."00:48
de-facto0.82% positive in fully vaccinated thats 1 in 122 fully vaccinated00:49
nixonixthe other one wasnt this one. the protection from previous infection after 8 months i think, was only around 80% or so in that other one. but heres a third one i just found, showing way higher protection, or maybe there wasnt just much epidemic around then:00:49
nixonix.title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v200:49
Brainstormnixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals | medRxiv00:49
de-factobravo allowing international passenger airtravel without quarantine00:50
de-factoeven a plane of fully vaccinated will always carry some that test positive00:50
de-factook to be fair, we dont know their infectiousness hopefully low yet potentially may be carriers that spread (as there always are breakthrough cases)00:52
de-factopdf at https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/articlepdf/2781112/jama_bertollini_2021_ld_210038_1623181746.26876.pdf00:54
BrainstormUpdates for St. Kitts and Nevis: +7 cases (now 251), +1 deaths (now 1) since a day ago01:02
nixonixa nove cocktail approach targets cellular replication mechanisms three UPR pathways in a way, nobody can escape. inhibiting 2/3 of them reduced replication by 99.5%. place your orders before they are out of stock01:02
nixonix.title https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.100964401:02
Brainstormnixonix: From journals.plos.org: Manipulation of the unfolded protein response: A pharmacological strategy against coronavirus infection01:02
nixonixnoveL01:02
nixonixsummary: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-06-cellular-response-sars-cov-infection.html01:05
de-factopretty interesting01:15
nixonixi think the other one was this one, not in usa but in england. when ill lose this one again, please remind me it was Vivaldi01:17
nixonix"They found that residents with a previous infection were 85% less likely to be infected during this four-month period than residents who had never been infected, while staff with past infection were 60% less likely than staff who had not had the infection before.01:17
nixonix.title https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-06/ucl-pci060221.php01:17
Brainstormnixonix: From www.eurekalert.org: Prior COVID-19 infection reduces infection risk for up to 10 months | EurekAlert! Science News01:17
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: All adults able to book coronavirus vaccination in England → https://is.gd/WViSps01:18
nixonix.title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanhl/article/PIIS2666-7568(21)00093-3/fulltext01:18
Brainstormnixonix: From www.thelancet.com: The Lancet | The best science for better lives01:18
nixonixso very different results for protection from reinfection01:19
nixonixage groups were different between those two, but then the 3rd on that i pasted in between, almost complete protection...01:20
nixonixvariant differencies maybe01:21
nixonixthe lombardy one was in news everywhere, but the other one with weaker protection is hard to locate. publishing bias in effect01:26
nixonixthats how you get those piles of 500 positive looking small studies for ivermectin with or without sink. those with bad results wont be in any journals...01:28
de-facto.title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/278136001:31
Brainstormde-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Sperm Parameters Before and After COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination | Vaccination | JAMA | JAMA Network01:31
nixonix"Semen volume and sperm motility also significantly increased" - thats enough info for me01:35
nixonixa hamster study, came by when looking for those reinfections01:38
nixonix.title https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-06/uotm-nsf061721.php01:38
Brainstormnixonix: From www.eurekalert.org: New study finds SARS-CoV-2 can infect testes | EurekAlert! Science News01:38
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de-factoarg this AMA network is a huge computer bug, never try to register with them01:40
de-facto"We're sorry, there was an unexpected problem."01:41
de-factowell no thanks01:41
de-factoafter login "We can't seem to find the page you're looking for"01:41
de-factoLMAO what kind of joke is that?01:41
de-factothen they tell me to go back to register email, yet then the email already exists01:43
de-factoOMG what kind of horrible system they got there, its ONE huge error01:43
de-factodangit how do i get my data out of their mess now?01:44
de-factonever ever think about registering with them, i delete them from my rss feeds01:44
de-factohorrible.01:44
de-factothey require sign in for a FREE pdf but their signup process is completely broken, the system basically fills its own database with garbage that blocks itself01:48
de-factohttps://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/articlepdf/2781360/jama_gonzalez_2021_ld_210039_1623870961.47861.pdf01:49
de-factothere found it another way thats the study01:49
nixonixthe meeting seems to be on friday. it was supposed to be day before. this one has links to several case studies with a few cases01:52
nixonix.title https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/9316701:52
Brainstormnixonix: From www.medpagetoday.com: First Close Look at Presumed Myocarditis Cases After COVID Vaccination | MedPage Today01:52
nixonixk next time again01:59
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LjL"it was just a flu"03:50
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finely[m]Been thinking about what it would take for this pandemic to be under control this decade. We need a powerful nation state to go rogue and ignore the WTO and intellectual property. China has the hacking and industrial espionage capability to 'steal' the knowledge necessary to manufacture the effective vaccines. And the resources to actually make 18 billion doses a year. But pride makes it unlikely they would do this over making their less10:17
finely[m]effective, locally developed vaccines. It would certainly be a major diplomatic victory for them if they did it though, and they have been very aggressively trying to expand their influence. Brazil or India are other possibilities, but are currently run by fascists. And fascists tend to like tens of millions of people dying.10:17
BrainstormNew from Category: SARS-CoV-2 variants on Wikipedia: HueMan1: removed Category:Coronavirus-associated diseases using HotCat: removed Category:Coronavirus-associated diseases using HotCat ← Previous revision Revision as of 08:20, 18 June 2021 Line 2: Line 2: [[Category:SARS-CoV-2]] [[Category:SARS-CoV-2]] [[Category:Mutation]] [[Category:Mutation]] [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2D91Vs10:31
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finely[m]<trillian "https://www.news.com.au/world/co"> Any physicist that opines about other fields of research should be slapped, then ignored.12:36
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BrainstormNew from ECDC: Data on the daily number of new reported COVID-19 cases and deaths by EU/EEA country: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. Each row/entry contains the number of new cases and deaths reported per day and per country in the EU/EEA. → https://is.gd/tBASDi14:10
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de-facto.title https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.17.448820v115:17
Brainstormde-facto: From www.biorxiv.org: SARS-CoV-2 spike P681R mutation enhances and accelerates viral fusion | bioRxiv15:17
BrainstormNew from Baric Lab: @Baric_Lab: Our paper with @TheDHVI led by @Dapeng_LI @priyam2021 @David_RMartinez and @aschaefe29 is just out in Cell! Here, we characterize the in vitro and in vivo functions of SARS-CoV-2 IgG mAbs. We find that antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) in vitro does not lead to ADE in vivo. → https://is.gd/UwBaWz15:26
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LjLis that a full authorization for Moderna?17:38
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BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +4214 cases (now 3.8 million), +18 deaths (now 80652) since 22 hours ago — Uganda: +1564 cases (now 68779), +42 deaths (now 584) since 22 hours ago — Italy: +1147 cases (now 4.3 million), +35 deaths (now 127225) since a day ago — Canada: +9 deaths (now 26010) since 23 hours ago19:39
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: News Scan for Jun 18, 2021: TB outbreak in spinal surgery patients Excess deaths in Switzerland COVID-19 convalescent plasma in cancer patients Polio in 7 countries Low global flu rates continue → https://is.gd/jk0XSn19:54
nixonixIHME's estimate for prevalence in USA was, after they adjusted it a bit higher in may, veri similar to CDC's estimate. i think both were 35% or so19:58
nixonixnow IHME says "We estimated that 37% of people in the US have been infected as of June 7" "We estimated that 34% of people in California have been infected as of June 7"19:59
nixonixi havent check what CDC says now, gotta check later20:00
nixonixIHME models sucked early 2020. i heard they changed their models after that closer to traditional models20:01
nixonixanyways, better not pay any attention their to their estimates for european countries. they use some garbage in garbage out model, without any checks of the data they put in makes any sense20:02
nixonix" We estimated that 80% of people in Russian Federation have been infected as of June 7"20:02
nixonixsure buddy...20:02
nixonixmaybe they are close to right for usa if cdc thinks the same. or maybe it was just accidental20:03
nixonixlooks like they shouldnt play with infection models20:03
nixonixbut instead with instagram models20:03
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Poorer US counties have lower COVID-19 vaccine uptake: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jun 18, 2021 Mobile vaccination clinics and scheduling, as well as educational resources using different tools, could improve vaccination equity, reserachers noted. → https://is.gd/x6Zaw220:05
nixonixIHME got attention couple of months ago when they got the real fatality numbers for usa over 50% higher than official, around 900k when the official number was something like 580k then20:08
nixonixand they filtered out fatalities that might have resulted from something like not getting medical treatment for other issues because of the capacity problems that high numbers of SARS2 patients caused at times20:10
nixonixmaybe they got that close to right. its laborous job to go through all the fatalities, but if you do that, how could you get that completely wrong20:12
BrainstormUpdates for Cuba: +1481 cases (now 164896), +9 deaths (now 1132) since 18 hours ago — Germany: +640 cases (now 3.7 million), +104 deaths (now 90644) since 23 hours ago20:29
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians call off 1 million dose vaccine exchange with Israel → https://is.gd/Xps9na20:35
cornduck%cases vietnam20:39
Brainstormcornduck: In Vietnam, there have been 12414 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 62 deaths (0.5% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 6.3 million tests were performed (0.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data.20:39
BrainstormUpdates for France: +32 deaths (now 110711) since 23 hours ago21:06
nixonix.title http://www.ecns.cn/news/society/2021-06-19/detail-ihannatq0280127.shtml21:10
Brainstormnixonix: From www.ecns.cn: Most Moscow COVID-19 patients infected with Delta variant: mayor21:10
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Only 21% of Americans worried about contracting COVID-19: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Jun 18, 2021 Most poll respondents said they were resuming prepandemic activities, including visiting family and dining in bars and restaurants. → https://is.gd/ZBynxC21:16
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de-factointeresting nixonix so is that the "moscow mutant"? why did they call it like that if its just "ordinary" B.1.617.2?21:44
de-factobtw it being delta also would fit with Sputnik updating for delta21:44
nixonixno idea what variants they really have there. the information from russia is only slightly more reliable than that reported from inside north korea (usually bought from defectors)21:46
nixonixsorry offtopic: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/orphans-north-korea-have-volunteered-work-coal-mines-construction-state-n126908721:47
nixonixnice kids they have, volunteering for such a dangerous job...21:47
de-factobtw any idea how North Korea is doing with COVID?21:48
de-factoi doubt they would tell reuters about that21:49
nixonixno cases, read an article saying they started buying some chinese vax after WHO approved it, amounts and destinations unknown said the source from inside to the press21:50
nixonixand saw a headline that they are trying to buy russian vaccines too now21:50
nixonixdefectors reported lots of patients with unknown infections and lung symptoms, back in the winter21:51
de-factoat least they are getting some kind of vaccines then, those poor people probably suffer enough already, even without or prior to COVID21:55
nixonixyou should ask that swede dude to this channel too, if hes still around on the other side. he was willing to read stuff and had good understanding, and participated in discussion. kr.. something21:55
de-factohey yeah were is he?21:56
nixonixif i recall, he was always on the other chan only. dunno why, maybe he just thought its enough21:56
nixonixcant check if he's there, requires regging. and mailinator may not work, so its always a hassle with stupid reggings21:57
nixonixif you ask, tell him i asked too21:58
de-facto"krql"21:58
nixonixyea21:58
de-factowas in ##coronavirus back then21:58
de-factocant find him on either side21:59
de-factomaybe different nick now21:59
de-factonixonix, you can ask in #help a staffer you manually confirm your email if you tell them you tried and did not receive one22:01
nixonixnah, im good for now22:01
nixonixmsg'd krql, no such nick22:02
de-factobtw how is it going at your place there?22:02
de-factoenjoying the summer a bit?22:02
nixonixepidemic? cases going down, i think it will be a few weeks before they prob go up again22:02
nixonixnot that much immunity here from infections22:02
de-factobut vaccinations progressing?22:03
nixonixyeah, a bit slower than eu average, but anyways. 12 week intervals here still (should be changed imo)22:03
de-factonice a bit more vaccinations per citizen than in Germany it seems22:04
de-factohere it was 6 weeks at begin of June, probably still is22:05
nixonixinfection will probably give better protection vs indian variant, because there is whole virus and less affected by mutations22:05
de-factobut with all those risks from longcovid and brain damage etc22:06
de-factoi personally prefer vaccination22:06
nixonixyeah some countries *cough*germanydenmarkbelgium*cough* made their own orders from pfizer against what was allowed with the same vaccines eu made their deals22:08
nixonixsure its better with vaccines, but the effect of immunity in population now gets the benefit from previous infections22:08
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians call off 1M dose vaccine exchange with Israel → https://is.gd/ND9yzF22:08
nixonixthats why i checked IHME's estimations, to estimate what and when is going to happen later in the summer (but their estimations for europe are useless)22:09
de-facto.title https://www.unicef.org/supply/covid-19-vaccine-market-dashboard22:11
Brainstormde-facto: From www.unicef.org: COVID-19 Vaccine Market Dashboard | UNICEF Supply Division22:11
aradeshis there anything in this lab-release theory? i used to think it was just a silly conspiracy, but it seems to being taken a bit more seriously as a possibility lately?22:14
aradeshmy instinct still says that it's far fetched though22:15
aradeshdoesn't make much sense imo22:15
nixonixnice, thats interesting. ill have a look for a moment (denmark above was based on some rumors, and belgium just guessin when their vax numbers are so high)22:15
nixonixthat list only incudes "publicly announced", though22:18
lavadonutit was always pretty strange how adamant everyone was that it was DEFINITELY NOT a lab leak, absolutely ZERO percent chance of that22:24
lavadonutdespite the fact that there's a major virology lab that studies coronaviruses in the middle of the city where outbreaks started happening22:25
LjLaradesh, a lab leak is not the same as an intentional release or a "bioweapon"22:25
LjLa lab leak is not unlikely22:25
LjLif it was leaked accidentally from the lab, that's not a conspiracy, it's an accident22:26
aradeshyeah22:26
LjLif there's a conspiracy it's about hiding it22:26
aradeshbut22:26
aradeshi thought the whole idea that it could have come from a lab was a silly conspiracy22:26
lavadonuti thought it was a lab leak the whole time22:26
aradeshbecause, i was under the impression the wuhan lab was like admin offices22:26
lavadonutcan't someone do some bayesian analysis on that or something22:26
aradeshnot really.. too many unknowns22:27
aradeshpriors too wild22:27
lavadonuton the odds of a coronavirus outbreak being first detected in a major city with a virology lab studying coronaviruses22:27
LjLyou're not using the term "conspiracy" as what it means ;( but aside from that, i do believe bat coronaviruses were being studied in a nearby lab22:27
lavadonutwithout it having leaked from the lab22:27
aradeshi mean as in "conspiracy nuts"22:27
nixonixi was around 50-50 year ago, and i still am. i couldnt decide which one i would bet larger sum my own money for, if we would somehow then magically get the truth22:28
lavadonutAFAIK no one has still owned up to the H1N1 lab leak22:28
lavadonutprob will never be confirmed22:28
nixonixbut i have to admit i only read couple of articles about it lately. i got bored to the subject last summer, when i thought we will never know for sure how it was22:28
lavadonuthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Russian_flu22:29
nixonixfrom headlines it seems like theres no new information, only that some of the stuff that wasnt in media back then, is now22:29
aradeshlike lab leak was the sort of thing that people who also believe in other strange things believe in -- that was the impression i was under. that's all i was trying to convey by calling it a conspiracy22:29
aradeshor saying that that's what i thought it was22:29
aradeshso to me it's quite a surprise to see sensible people saying it's likely. feel like i've had my beliefs shaken a bit.22:30
lavadonutfor some reason people had been completely conflating "accidental lab leak" with "deliberately engineered bioweapon"22:30
nixonixit was a selection bias, those that thought it could be either way, were usually silent not to be attacked as a conspiracy theorist. and just didnt want to participate all the mess22:30
aradeshwell either way, i thought it was super unlikely. that's what my guts said22:30
nixonixwestern countries have done dangerous g-o-f research (resulting some leaks too), so it would be funny if china wasnt22:32
aradeshi remember there was some stories saying how some scientists said that the DNA of the virus looks stitched together -- and that struck me as nonsense. is it?22:33
aradeshbeen so much misinformation about, hard to get ones bearings.22:34
nixonixit doesnt look like actually spliced in stuff, but more like serial passages between cell cultures, different spieces or something22:34
mambang[m]%cases malaysia22:34
Brainstormmambang[m]: In Malaysia, there have been 685204 confirmed cases (2.1% of the population) and 4276 deaths (0.6% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 13.7 million tests were performed (5.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data.22:34
mambang[m]%cases indonesia22:35
Brainstormmambang[m]: In Indonesia, there have been 2.0 million confirmed cases (0.7% of the population) and 54043 deaths (2.8% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 13.8 million tests were performed (14.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Indonesia for time series data.22:35
nixonix*species22:35
mambang[m]%cases singapore22:36
Brainstormmambang[m]: In Singapore, there have been 62382 confirmed cases (1.1% of the population) and 34 deaths (0.1% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 12.8 million tests were performed (0.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data.22:36
LjLaradesh, i have no expertise to gauge whether "DNA (RNA actually) was stuck together by humans" theories hold any water. i can just point out that it doesn't have to be that way for a lab leak to have occurred of a virus that had gained function, because you can make it gain function without doing any actual genetic manipulation22:36
mambang[m]%cases india22:36
Brainstormmambang[m]: In India, there have been 29.8 million confirmed cases (2.2% of the population) and 383504 deaths (1.3% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 387.2 million tests were performed (7.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.22:36
aradeshLjL: isn't it like, mixing them with strands of RNA and seeing if some stick?22:37
aradeshsounds pretty dangerous ...22:37
nixonixanyways, if yanks intelligence knows the truth, it looks like they they are not going to tell. reasons could be, if china is guilty, people would want some kind of hard retalitation, and that would be bad for business and might lead to military conflict that obviously is dangerous22:37
LjLaradesh, and i would ask myself, if things look sorta 50-50 from a neutral outsider perspective like nixonix said... let's say that "naturally", about half of experts, media, politicians, etc would say "it's a lab leak" and the other half would say "it's natural". what's the problem? everyone wants to be able to play with virus: the ones most likely to have the competence to guess whether it was a lab leak are virologists and similar, who also have a vested22:38
LjLinterest in virology labs not being suddenly "banned because they're dangerous"22:38
aradeshimagine if something like this happened with a virus having 30% fatility22:38
lavadonutpresumably that would have lower transmissibility22:38
aradeshyeah. seems i'd been erroneously misinformed early on that giving viruses gained function was beyond our current ability22:39
aradeshi thought viruses, and their interactions with living organisms, were just too complex for us to do anything "useful"22:40
lavadonutmy personal guess is that it's a non-engineered (or at least minimally-engineered) wild coronavirus that was accidentally released22:40
aradeshyeah but... if it's wild, then why hadn't it already spread around the world?22:40
lavadonutfrom the lab22:40
aradeshgiven its ease of transmission22:41
lavadonutbecause they got it from the depths of some jungle22:41
nixonix"In 2011, Fouchier and Kawaoka alarmed the world by revealing they had separately modified the deadly avian H5N1 influenza virus so that it spread between ferrets. Advocates of such gain of function (GOF) studies say they can help public health experts better understand how viruses might spread and plan for pandemics22:41
lavadonutby "minimally engineered" i guess i mean, not with any intention of making a bioweapon22:42
nixonix^ 2019 article22:42
aradeshi don't believe anyone would be making viruses as bio weapons22:42
aradeshbecause it would be monumentally stupid22:42
lavadonutyeah lol22:42
aradeshlike it would kill your people just as much, lol22:42
aradeshas the enemy22:42
nixonixits beneficial both for civilian research, military research both for defence and attack, if decided so22:43
nixonixin china the military is always involved in research like that. so its double use there, you cant separate which type it is especially there22:43
LjLaradesh, the world is chock-full of viruses that we don't know and, if we leave the environment alone, we have a *chance* of never getting to know. some while i think this was probably a lab leak, that doesn't take anything away from the point that destroying habitats and poking wild bats certainly increases our odds of meeting viruses we're rather not meet22:44
LjLs/some/so/22:44
lavadonut^22:45
nixonixthis is a biosecurity expert, whose twitter accaunt is prob a good way to follow the subject: https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/139705779548522086622:46
aradeshthat makes the most sense then... viruses in animals in the deep jungle that haven't been near humans in thousands of years22:46
nixonixaccount22:46
lavadonutany industry (black market or otherwise) that involves regularly coming into contact with wild animals is idiotic22:46
aradeshstored in a lab for investigation... and then accidenally released22:46
aradeshso doesn't even need to be the result of any gained function or anything22:46
nixonixanother 2019 article: https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2019/08/chinas-military-pursuing-biotech/159167/22:51
aradeshlavadonut: because they have viruses that haven't been near humans for a long time?22:54
nixonixbats are sold like chicken in many south east asian countries. the price is similar too, at least in indonesia. its prob that risky, but you newer know when the odd jump and then evolving to easily transmittable happen22:57
nixonixthose mink and ferret farms there are probably more risky22:58
lavadonutnot necessarily 'that haven't been near humans for a long time', it's just always a great way to introduce new viruses to human populations22:58
nixonix*its brob NOT that risky (bats for food, that is)22:59
nixonix*prob22:59
nixonixanyways, there are way more dangerous hazards around than g-o-f research, civlian, military or both. which is an easy solution for this paradox too (offtopic, but may be interesting):23:08
nixonix.title https://gizmodo.com/aliens-wouldnt-need-warp-drives-to-take-over-an-entire-184710124223:08
Brainstormnixonix: From gizmodo.com: Aliens Wouldn't Need Warp Drives to Take Over an Entire Galaxy, Simulation Suggests23:08
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians cancel deal for Israel to supply 1 million COVID vaccines → https://is.gd/3FRqU123:21
LjLaradesh, nixonix: if gain of function sounds like an utterly insane thing to do, and i'm not necessarily saying it isn't, let's also think that it can plausibly be used to determine which viruses may become dangerous to humans, in what ways, how they will evolve, and consequently prepare treatments and vaccines in advance. as an example, although right now you say the "useful" mutations of SARS-COV-2 have all likely been identified, in line of principle you could23:24
LjLuse GOF research on SARS-COV-2 to figure out what its "next steps" will be, and create vaccines in advance. which could be the only way we don't just chase its mutations after they happen for the rest of our lives23:24
aradeshinteresting23:28
nixonixit would be more beneficial for zoonosis research, since they already know pretty well the possibilities of sars2, exp how bad in reality it could develop to23:28
nixonixlike for avian flu, other coronaviruses etc23:28
nixonixthis is a few years old already, but interesting23:31
nixonix.title https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/05/experts-call-alternatives-gain-function-flu-studies23:31
Brainstormnixonix: From www.cidrap.umn.edu: Experts call for alternatives to 'gain-of-function' flu studies | CIDRAP23:32
nixonixbut it would be only the west, or some of the west, not to do that23:32
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +3 deaths (now 26012) since 21 hours ago23:35
nixonix"Some private entities, like Broadway shows and TV production studios, have signalled they will keep AstraZeneca recipients out"23:36
nixonixthat was from some canadian article. just tell if you want the link too, if i only paste the quote when theres not much else interesting23:38
nixonix.title https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tests-covid-19-vaccine-nasal-spray-children-agencies-2021-06-12/23:38
Brainstormnixonix: From www.reuters.com: Russia tests COVID-19 vaccine as nasal spray for children - agencies | Reuters23:39
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazil has 98,832 COVID cases, 2,495 deaths in 24 hours -ministry → https://is.gd/S8liCE23:42
nixonixuk: "The most recent data show 99% of sequenced and genotyped cases across the country are the Delta variant23:50
nixonixit thats true and representative sample, it means it has a huge advantage to get those last percentages this fast23:50
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 12 new blood clot cases ‘likely’ linked to AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine, TGA says → https://is.gd/Mnv4qF23:52
LjLnixonix, well the rest of the variants were sharply falling in the UK23:54
LjLpartly due to the vaccine and partly due to a relatively strict lockdown after the last spike, i guess23:54
LjLbut yeah that variant is likely all of more transmissible, more severe, and more vaccine-dodgy23:54
nixonixyeah but it shouldnt matter, unless restrictions are different for areas with different variants. because otherwise they affect similarly to every variant23:55
nixonixunless some special other measures, like more tracing for indian variant than others23:55
nixonixeven if measures and immunity would keep R for older variants under 1, and over 1 for indian variant, those other variants would not just suddenly disappear. it would take time23:56
LjLnixonix, https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/991135/3_June_2021_Risk_assessment_for_SARS-CoV-2_variant_DELTA.pdf   don't know if there is a newer edition of this23:56
nixonixi seem to have downloaded that on tuesday23:57
LjLnixonix, there is probably more tracing but Sanger tries to gather something resembling a random sample, yet B.1.617.2 is still rising and now prevalent according to them too23:57
LjLnixonix, the small note on the AstraZeneca vaccine in there concerns me23:57
nixonixhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-variants-identified-in-uk23:58
LjLhttps://covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw?show=B.1.617.2%2Cother23:58
nixonixwhat note?23:58
LjLnixonix, "There is a high level of uncertainty around the magnitude of the  change in vaccine effectiveness after 2 doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine."23:59
LjLthey say that specifically about AZ, and not Pfizer. and i think "a high level of uncertainty" has characterized data about AZ from the beginning23:59

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