| Arsanerit | To oversimplify it: if everyone's infected but nobody is sick, then it's not a problem, is it? | 00:00 |
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| nixonix | yeah, but how about kids not vaccinated, telomeres, left side brain regions, red blood cells etc? will they get permanent damage? | 00:00 |
| nixonix | will those vaccinated get some permanent damage too, but just less? if its like 9-12 months since the 2nd dose? | 00:00 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.fau.eu/2021/06/21/news/research/long-term-changes-to-blood-cells-triggered-by-covid-19-infection/ | 00:01 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.fau.eu: Long-term changes to blood cells triggered by Covid-19 infection › Friedrich-Alexander-Universität Erlangen-Nürnberg | 00:01 |
| Arsanerit | Aren't kids very rare to get sick anyway? | 00:01 |
| nixonix | some of those like telomeres seem to happen in mild cases too | 00:02 |
| nixonix | and not all the adults that arent going to get vaxed are actual antivaxes. they just have bought those lies by antivaxers. or are overly worried about rare adverse effects | 00:04 |
| Arsanerit | My colleague doesn't want to get vaccinated yet, because he thinks the vaccines have been insufficiently tested, that it's too soon to know about long-term side effects. | 00:05 |
| nixonix | while i dont care too much what happens to adult antivaxers, its not the same for all adults that dont get vaxed. imo | 00:05 |
| nixonix | i saw a good counter argument for that recently. i try to locate it later. but anyways, 3B vaccinated, 1B or close with mrna (and viral vector vaccines are mrna vaccines too!). we know pretty close to enough about western vacc side effects | 00:06 |
| nixonix | just some small details like myocarditis still left | 00:06 |
| Arsanerit | nixonix: he's worried about long term side effects specifically | 00:10 |
| Arsanerit | he calls it a giant experiment | 00:11 |
| Arsanerit | he's wrong, but he's not stupid | 00:11 |
| nixonix | "Where we really are concerned about side effects is especially right at the beginning there, and then typically where you see a problem, it will happen in the first couple of weeks, even with a brand new vaccine. I mean, when they're studying it, very, very, very rare to have anything coming after that time. | 00:12 |
| nixonix | And in fact, that's part of why the FDA wants the six months of monitoring because if you've monitored somebody for six months afterwards, really there's no biological reason that you would expect there to be any long-term concerns from the vaccine." | 00:13 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/how-dr-arwady-responds-to-those-worried-about-vaccines-long-term-side-effects/2520299/ | 00:13 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nbcchicago.com: How Dr. Arwady Responds to Those Worried About Long-Term Side Effects With Vaccines – NBC Chicago | 00:13 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext | 00:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.thelancet.com: SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC in Scotland: demographics, risk of hospital admission, and vaccine effectiveness - The Lancet | 00:14 |
| Arsanerit | nixonix: I agree. He would counter that it's very rare but that this is a new type of vaccine. But I don't want to try to channel the arguments of someone I disagree with. | 00:14 |
| Arsanerit | Goodnight. | 00:14 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.thelancet.com/cms/10.1016/S0140-6736(21)01358-1/attachment/77e67679-20a6-4b3a-b31a-db146dcd4e28/mmc1.pdf | 00:14 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.thelancet.com: Supplementary appendix | 00:14 |
| nixonix | (it was reduced to 2 months safety data, but with now 1 year from starting phase 3, and over 6 months from population vaccinations, theres lot more information than standard 6 months from phase 3) | 00:14 |
| de-facto | BNT 2 doses against Delta: 79% | 00:15 |
| Arsanerit | I'll try to convince him again :) | 00:16 |
| Arsanerit | goodnight | 00:16 |
| de-facto | gn8 | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Hospital CEO tells vaccine disparagers to “shut up” as delta slams Missouri → https://is.gd/AnAQ1R | 00:23 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(21)00289-9/fulltext | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.journalofinfection.com: Lower nasopharyngeal viral loads in pediatric population. The missing piece to understand SARS-CoV-2 infection in children? - Journal of Infection | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Viewpoint] 7-1-7: an organising principle, target, and accountability metric to make the world safer from pandemics: COVID-19 makes it both possible and necessary to review lessons learnt from recent epidemics, re-evaluate approaches, and develop a framework that accelerates progress to make the world safer from [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/G6xNHT | 00:33 |
| nixonix | byram bridle related: https://twitter.com/weese_scott/status/1412150357195726848 | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Tunisia: +7930 cases (now 455091), +119 deaths (now 15601) since a day ago | 00:36 |
| nixonix | check those canadian results, 1st dose vs other VOCs. moderna is stronger against them too, after 1st dose (but not vs older variant). if its real, maybe 100micg vs 30, which goes away after 2 doses | 00:46 |
| nixonix | funny still that its only against VOCs. maybe just too small sample | 00:47 |
| nixonix | or bias that comes from different populations, areas, time - where different lineages were prevalent | 00:48 |
| nixonix | .title https://nltimes.nl/2021/06/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-can-safely-injected-skin-tissue-lumc | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From nltimes.nl: Moderna Covid vaccine can be safely injected into skin tissue: LUMC | NL Times | 00:50 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210629-south-americas-bitter-divide-over-a-toxic-covid-cure | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.bbc.com: South America's bitter divide over a toxic 'Covid cure' - BBC Future | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from outbreak.info blog: Comparing Lineages: How Researchers in Germany use Outbreak.info to Investigate Variants: As SARS-CoV-2 variants surface in different parts of the world, researchers rise to the challenge of examining tremendous amounts of new data. → https://is.gd/PpVZvH | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +327 cases (now 168236) since 22 hours ago — France: +36 deaths (now 111303) since 23 hours ago | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: The delta variant is spiking in these four US states → https://is.gd/9JEOJU | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zimbabwe: +1949 cases (now 57963), +28 deaths (now 1939) since a day ago — Cyprus: +827 cases (now 79636) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +16 deaths (now 26381) since 23 hours ago | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: These parts of the US could become 'breeding grounds' for more Covid-19 variants, expert says → https://is.gd/FH5mud | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Delta Is Now The Dominant Coronavirus Variant In The U.S.: The CDC just released new data showing the highly contagious delta variant now accounts for 51.7% of cases in the U.S. In some parts of the country, the strain is responsible for 80% of cases. → https://is.gd/I5vR14 | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Reunion: +1262 cases (now 31845), +7 deaths (now 244) since 6 days ago — Netherlands: +1376 cases (now 1.7 million) since 22 hours ago — United Kingdom: +21 deaths (now 128382) since 22 hours ago | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: HIV vaccine trial launched at University of Oxford in bid to end ‘40-year wait’ → https://is.gd/XU2eDs | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eswatini: +326 cases (now 19410), +5 deaths (now 683) since 7 days ago | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand not willing to risk UK-style ‘live with Covid’ policy, says Jacinda Ardern → https://is.gd/sU7pE1 | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Barbados: +10 cases (now 4096) since a day ago | 04:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Channel Islands: +277 cases (now 4798) since 2 days ago — Guinea-Bissau: +20 cases (now 3901), +1 deaths (now 70) since 2 days ago | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Government must clearly communicate Covid rule changes, say psychologists → https://is.gd/tgFifF | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Sydney COVID-19 lockdown extended for another week, cases rise → https://is.gd/zloPEq | 05:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +6519 cases (now 301172), +54 deaths (now 2387) since a day ago — South Korea: +1212 cases (now 162753), +1 deaths (now 2033) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +21254 cases (now 5.0 million), +28 deaths (now 128391) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +1546 cases (now 1.7 million) since 21 hours ago | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +742 cases (now 1.1 million), +4 deaths (now 25194) since a day ago | 06:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sydney locked down for another week as Delta COVID variant spreads → https://is.gd/6547sc | 06:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Category: SARS-CoV-2 variants on Wikipedia: BenKuykendall: removed Category:Mutation using HotCat: removed Category:Mutation using HotCat ← Previous revision Revision as of 04:52, 7 July 2021 Line 1: Line 1: {{Main|Variants of SARS-CoV-2}} {{Main|Variants of SARS-CoV-2}} [[Category:SARS-CoV-2]] [[Category:SARS-CoV-2]] − [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2D91Vs | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Asia Pacific sees sharp rise in Covid infections as Delta strain threatens new wave → https://is.gd/TzrurJ | 07:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for England, United Kingdom: +24856 cases (now 4.3 million), +30 deaths (now 112799) since 23 hours ago — California, United States: +2232 cases (now 3.8 million) since 23 hours ago — Louisiana, United States: +2017 cases (now 484577), +6 deaths (now 10763) since 4 days ago — Saint Petersburg, Russia: +1869 cases (now 480149), +99 deaths (now 16975) since 23 hours ago | 07:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Brazil’s lower house approves text of bill to allow breaking of vaccine patents → https://is.gd/ZlmQf3 | 08:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +7989 cases (now 2.5 million), +269 deaths (now 233958) since a day ago — Mexico City, Mexico: +2877 cases (now 695158), +27 deaths (now 34803) since a day ago — India: +43733 cases (now 30.7 million), +805 deaths (now 403911) since 23 hours ago — Sinaloa, Mexico: +452 cases (now 44045), +18 deaths (now 6463) since a day ago | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Pandemic influenza vaccine H5N1 AstraZeneca (previously Pandemic influenza vaccine H5N1 Medimmune), pandemic influenza vaccine (H5N1) (live attenuated, nasal), Influenza, Human, Date of authorisation: 20/05/2016, Revision: 8, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/FSleZi | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: ‘Feels great to be India’s only transgender person to head a Covid vaccine centre’: Dr Aqsa Shaikh → https://is.gd/FQpN1h | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand not willing to risk UK-style ‘live with Covid’ policy, says Jacinda Ardern → https://is.gd/ijKizR | 10:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +1392 cases (now 372685), +11 deaths (now 5394) since a day ago — Armenia: +140 cases (now 225801), +1 deaths (now 4531) since a day ago | 10:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Sydney lockdown extended as Delta outbreak spreads → https://is.gd/l4KMUP | 10:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Organ donations held almost steady during the pandemic, as the U.S. transplant system scrambled to keep going: This is a could-have-been-far-worse story about how the pandemic did not fuel a catastrophe in transplantation or worsen the persistent gap between people who need organs and the donations that… → https://is.gd/z1yyOX | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Manipur, India: +863 cases (now 73581), +14 deaths (now 1218) since 23 hours ago — N. Cyprus: +88 cases (now 8504) since 23 hours ago — Dominica: +3 cases (now 197) since 5 days ago | 10:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Politico: Economic governance: EU ramps up economic optimism despite Delta coronavirus fears → https://is.gd/EdFZUz | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Vaccines journal retracts controversial paper after editorial board members quit: A research paper that was promoted by anti-vaccination activists has been retracted by the journal Vaccines after several members of its editorial board resigned.The peer reviewed article, “The... → https://is.gd/eNDTKa | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Adults in poorest areas are almost four times more likely to die, inquiry finds: Working age adults in England’s poorest areas were almost four times more likely to die from covid-19 than those in the wealthiest areas, a landmark report has found.1The report, which followed a... → https://is.gd/UCv3bq | 12:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +463 cases (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: France Is Preparing a New Law to Make Covid Vaccinations Compulsory for Health Care Workers → https://is.gd/CymnhH | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +34379 cases (now 2.4 million), +1040 deaths (now 62908) since 23 hours ago — Nepal: +2077 cases (now 650162), +28 deaths (now 9291) since 23 hours ago — Malta: +25 cases (now 30700) since a day ago | 13:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fiji: +791 cases (now 7940), +3 deaths (now 42) since 21 hours ago | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +17212 cases (now 3.3 million), +166 deaths (now 85261) since 23 hours ago — Faroe Is.: +10 cases (now 803) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 10896) since 22 hours ago | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Retraction Watch: University terminates affiliation with researcher who had paper on COVID-19 vaccines retracted as mask study comes under scrutiny: A researcher who co-authored a now-retracted paper claiming that two vaccinated people died of COVID-19 for every three deaths prevented has had an affiliation with a Polish university terminated. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bLag43 | 15:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: Israel and South Korea strike Pfizer vaccine deal → https://is.gd/351hwh | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: Viral infection and transmission in a large well-traced outbreak caused by the Delta SARS-CoV-2 variant: Baisheng Li1,2#, Aiping Deng1,2#, Kuibiao Li3#, Yao Hu1,2#, Zhencui Li1,2#, Qianling Xiong1,2,4, Zhe Liu1,2, Qianfang Guo1,2, Lirong Zou1,2, Huan Zhang1,2,Meng Zhang1,2, Fangzhu Ouyang1,2, Juan Su1,2, Wenzhe [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pFxeBy | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Another lawmaker calls for probe of FDA approval of Alzheimer’s drug; Roche urged to lower price of Covid-19 therapy → https://is.gd/tzYg3X | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Senegal: +356 cases (now 44436), +5 deaths (now 1183) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +11162 cases (now 977568), +201 deaths (now 15593) since a day ago | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: Carving Out Nitrogens: Pick Your Conditions: I wanted to do a follow-up to this post, about a reaction that removes nitrogen atoms from heterocyclic rings. Some readers took issue with the paper in the comments, pointing out that a mechanistically similar transformation had been published in 2017. The group that did the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GT23My | 16:14 |
| Krey[m] | DW claims that the pfyzer/biontech vaccine's effectiveness agains Delta/Echelon variant drops to 64% | 16:17 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OhW93fygns | 16:17 |
| Krey[m] | quotes israeli research | 16:17 |
| Krey[m] | de-facto: Peter LjL Thoughs? | 16:21 |
| undefined_bob | Krey[m]: there is a study out there about that ^^ | 16:25 |
| Krey[m] | undefined_bob: you mean the israeli study? | 16:25 |
| undefined_bob | yes, sir | 16:26 |
| Krey[m] | undefined_bob: I see different opinions on that as pfyzer is claiming it to be highly effective and researches such as https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-07/haiti-president-moise-assassinated-at-home-ap-reports citing public data | 16:28 |
| undefined_bob | I think the isreali study is newer than the pfizer claim | 16:28 |
| Krey[m] | eh.. | 16:29 |
| undefined_bob | and based on real world data | 16:29 |
| Krey[m] | x.x | 16:29 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-14/delta-variant-doubles-risk-of-covid-hospitalization-in-study | 16:29 |
| * Krey[m] has no idea how did he managed to fail copy pasting from a search bar | 16:29 | |
| Krey[m] | undefined_bob: can you link the research i can't find it | 16:31 |
| Krey[m] | https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-israel-preliminary-delta-variant-bypass.html ? | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +3285 cases (now 896026), +8 deaths (now 17126) since 19 hours ago | 16:34 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rJQ1O5kp00#autoplay ah i think this is it | 16:35 |
| * Krey[m] should learn israeli to be able to find these | 16:35 | |
| Krey[m] | nope | 16:36 |
| Krey[m] | aaaaaa | 16:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +396 cases (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago | 17:05 |
| de-facto | Krey[m], yeah i tried yesterday to find the source, could not find anything but press copying each others, hence i assume its a non verified rumor "israel health ministery said ... bla" | 17:05 |
| de-facto | that number alone does not say anything | 17:07 |
| de-facto | what is the endpoint, symptomatic or PCR? how is the cohort structure, does it represent population, how long as it ago, what age, how many cases, etc pp | 17:08 |
| de-facto | etc pp | 17:08 |
| de-facto | other numbers were like 80%-90%, hence i doubt their result is representative, we would have to wait until they release the data | 17:11 |
| de-facto | for symptomatic endpoints in a somewhat representative cross section of population in UK and Scotland iirc | 17:11 |
| de-facto | also Canada | 17:12 |
| de-facto | one guess would be that the Israel data is about PCR positive, hence asymptomatic infections, another that its older people vaccinated long time ago | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): COVID19: Breakthrough COVID-19 infection rate with Indian strain in Single-center Healthcare Workers: A real world data. → https://is.gd/vtcWZX | 17:27 |
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| Krey[m] | this thing spreads in matrix | 17:37 |
| Krey[m] | <de-facto "Krey, yeah i tried yesterday to "> i also think that to be the case | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Wednesday 07 July 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/Hpvz8r | 17:37 |
| Krey[m] | de-facto: thanks for your view, helpful | 17:38 |
| Krey[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer%E2%80%93BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine#Effectiveness | 17:39 |
| Krey[m] | wiki has some interesting data on effectiveness though | 17:39 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.davar1.co.il/278776/ | 17:40 |
| Krey[m] | found the research? | 17:41 |
| Krey[m] | ah that's just Jan 28 | 17:41 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm | 17:43 |
| Krey[m] | This mentiones 64% maybe they have it from here? | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Asymptomatic rapid testing for SARS-CoV-2: Community mass testing for SARS-CoV-2 using rapid lateral flow antigen detection tests is being used internationally, under national (eg, United Kingdom1 or Slovakia2) and regional policies (eg,... → https://is.gd/6IAJMZ | 17:48 |
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| LjL-Matrix | Krey: my thought is I really hoped we'd get some *months* of respite with vaccines, at least, instead of being back to square one by the time autumn comes or earlier | 18:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | so you could probably summarize my thoughts as "fuck" | 18:06 |
| Krey[m] | OwO senpai | 18:06 |
| Krey[m] | but yes >.> | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +32048 cases (now 5.0 million) since 23 hours ago — Cuba: +3664 cases (now 214577), +18 deaths (now 1405) since 23 hours ago | 18:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | But I haven't seen the actual study, first it was quoted at 70% on the Israel Times i think, but it didn't link to the study and people on Reddit couldn't find it either... now I saw this 64% figure on the Financial Times but the article is paywalled... I'll be interested in seeing the actual study at least to figure out how much efficacy against severe disease and death is maintained | 18:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | although I'm of the opinion that while that's important, it's still unacceptable to let the disease run rampant. Even if it doesn't kill people now, it has enough "CPU power" to mutate again | 18:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Just see Brainstorm above on the UK cases. It's in bold, that's means it's a record high :( | 18:08 |
| Krey[m] | LjL: Ye i assume that they misinterpreted the research as it seems that the number 64% applies to those who only took one jab? | 18:22 |
| Krey[m] | based on CDC report from May 2021 | 18:23 |
| LjL-Matrix | Krey: hm, is it exactly 64% in the CDC report? Like the number could be copypasted from the wrong source? The first article I read did say 70% instead, which would still not be great. But anyway I guess we really need to see the actual study | 18:28 |
| Krey[m] | https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm | 18:29 |
| Krey[m] | yes exactly 64% | 18:29 |
| Krey[m] | > 94% effective against COVID-19 hospitalization among fully vaccinated adults and 64% effective among partially vaccinated adults aged ≥65 years. | 18:29 |
| de-facto | careful, its not the same for different age groups, for different delays after the vaccination, and most important of all: its different for variants | 18:32 |
| de-facto | hence my curiosity about the cohort description, it does not really make sense to speculate about that without further info, so without publication i just ignore this for now | 18:32 |
| Krey[m] | Hm O.o | 18:36 |
| de-facto | but its safe to assume vaccine efficacy will drop, both due to waning immunity and selection of more aggressive mutants | 18:42 |
| LjL | de-facto, well sure but one thing is if it drops from 95% to 90% (which still means twice as many chance of getting it!), another thing *entirely* would be dropping to 60-70% | 18:51 |
| de-facto | yeah true | 18:51 |
| Krey[m] | <de-facto "but its safe to assume vaccine e"> What's the plan then? Seems like a recipe for the pandemic to get out of control again | 19:02 |
| Krey[m] | like are we going to start a new trial for a new vaccine | 19:04 |
| Arsanerit | what is the plan? | 19:05 |
| Krey[m] | other then me going back to my bunker and watching the death unfold in the TV again | 19:07 |
| Arsanerit | it's not spectacular enough for that | 19:07 |
| Arsanerit | media will lose interest | 19:07 |
| Krey[m] | i won't assuming the survivability of it O.o | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: World passes 'tragic milestone' of four million recorded Covid-19 deaths → https://is.gd/ahJ4C7 | 19:11 |
| lavadonut | Krey[m] did you get vaccinated yet? | 19:16 |
| Krey[m] | nope waiting for heart exam | 19:16 |
| Krey[m] | should get an appointment tomorrow | 19:16 |
| lavadonut | a heart exam will determine whether or not you get the vaccine? | 19:16 |
| lavadonut | well, ok | 19:17 |
| Krey[m] | will determine risk factor for fatal myocarditis | 19:17 |
| lavadonut | at least i'm not the biggest hypochondriac in the room | 19:17 |
| Krey[m] | eh? O.o | 19:17 |
| Krey[m] | i ain't hypochondriac u.u | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLO SVILUPPO ECONOMICO - DECRETO 17 giugno 2021: Scioglimento della «Consorzio trasporti Nord - societa' consortilecooperativa», in Milano, e nomina del commissario liquidatore.(21A04020) → https://is.gd/hSGO6R | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +17384 cases (now 3.9 million), +17 deaths (now 80969) since 22 hours ago — Italy: +1010 cases (now 4.3 million), +14 deaths (now 127718) since 22 hours ago — India: +41415 cases (now 30.7 million), +773 deaths (now 404182) since 22 hours ago | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New 'Lambda' COVID-19 strain much more dangerous than the Delta variant, said UK Health Ministry adding that it has been detected in more than 30 countries in the past four weeks. "The Lambda strain was reported to have originated from Peru, the country with the highest mortality rate in the world" → https://is.gd/wcQtIY | 19:52 |
| joerg | interesting new study cohort 10k statistically normalized german population, 2020/08 - 2021/07 incl estimated number of unknown cases (1.8, instead of so far guessed 2 to 4 (RKI)) etc. Some detail about a significant number of antibody-tests only positive for either one of expected two antibodies, I didn't look into details regarding that yet | 19:59 |
| joerg | https://www.unimedizin-mainz.de/gcs/uebersicht.html | 19:59 |
| joerg | https://www.unimedizin-mainz.de/GCS/dashboard/#/app/pages/blank (en_EN) | 20:00 |
| joerg | oops 2020/10 start date | 20:01 |
| joerg | https://www.unimedizin-mainz.de/gcs/overview.html?L=1 | 20:02 |
| * joerg still wonders where to download the real study comprehensive paper file | 20:05 | |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceMag: [Research Articles] Pan-caspase inhibition as a potential host-directed immunotherapy against MRSA and other bacterial skin infections: Staphylococcus aureus causes most skin infections in humans, and the emergence of methicillin-resistant S. aureus (MRSA) strains is a serious public health threat. There is an urgent clinical need [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1n1sYy | 20:12 |
| joerg | prolly there's no compre3hensive paper since the study isn't finished yet, so we need to deal with interesting stuff like https://www.unimedizin-mainz.de/GCS/dashboard/#/app/pages/PersSituation/einkommen | 20:16 |
| joerg | really nice dashboard https://www.unimedizin-mainz.de/GCS/dashboard/#/app/pages/Impfung/Impfbereitschaft . Even "dark mode" ;-D | 20:20 |
| joerg | LjL: ^^^ | 20:20 |
| LjL | interesting joerg | 20:23 |
| LjL | this doesn't quite match things i've read elsewhere "Self-assessment of overall constitution | 20:24 |
| LjL | Self-assessment of the overall physical condition | 20:24 |
| LjL | Comparison of current data with prior data from the population sample from the Gutenberg Health Study in 2019 | 20:24 |
| LjL | Self-assessment of the overall mental state | 20:24 |
| LjL | Comparison of current data with prior data from the population sample from the Gutenberg Health Study in 2019 | 20:24 |
| LjL | Summary: About 85% of the population sample rate their mental as well as physical health during the pandemic as good to very good. According to data from the 2019 Gutenberg Health Study (GHS) population sample, participants actually rate their physical condition as better during the pandemic; on average their mental condition has remained stable." | 20:24 |
| LjL | whoops newlines | 20:24 |
| LjL | also income didn't change for most people, i'm afraid those answers would be very different for Italy :( | 20:24 |
| LjL | (well, they are, i've seen polls about that...) | 20:24 |
| LjL | ah this is all specifically on people from Rhine Hesse | 20:25 |
| LjL | the "Corona Warn App Usage" page is quite impressive... in Italy we barely have 15% using it | 20:27 |
| joerg | watch out for nothing of this stuff is peer-reviewed yet aiui | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): China_Flu: A leading US disease expert says there's 'no doubt in my mind' vaccinated people are helping spread Delta → https://is.gd/1oWDzC | 20:33 |
| joerg | though done by quite a number of "official university scientists" - and basing on a study project that's running since several years already | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +24 deaths (now 91430) since 23 hours ago | 20:36 |
| joerg | dang, can't find that evaluation of infection risk for a household with 3 adults vs 2 adults plus one pupil. It been very impressive that for 2+pupil household the risk was _lower_ than for 3 adults. However note that this been for a timespan where most pupils were in homeschooling | 20:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Antivax covidiots harassing people waiting in line at a vaccination center → https://is.gd/K3WbFR | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Lead Sinovac vaccine scientist in Indonesia dies of suspected COVID-19, media say → https://is.gd/r0robd | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Health: What Fighting COVID and Fighting Drug Addiction Have in Common → https://is.gd/pUYS9x | 21:03 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/DESH/Bericht_VOC_2021-07-07.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: 17. Bericht zu Virusvarianten von SARS-CoV-2 in Deutschland (7.7.2021) (Robert Koch-Institut) | 21:30 |
| de-facto | Week 25 of 2021: ~59.4% B.1.617.2 (Delta) | 21:31 |
| de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/aacyToT https://i.imgur.com/gCen7Yn.jpeg "COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2-VoCs Evolution in 2021" src: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/DESH/Bericht_VOC_2021-07-07.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2-VoCs Evolution in 2021 - Album on Imgur | 21:34 |
| joerg | R_t > 1.0 | 22:08 |
| joerg | if I had to guess, I'd bet on R_t = 1.4 in 4 weeks | 22:10 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/VOC_VOI_Tabelle.html | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.rki.de: RKI - Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 - Tabelle zum VOC-Bericht - Anzahl und Anteile von VOC und VOI in Deutschland (Tabelle wird mittwochs aktualisiert) | 22:11 |
| de-facto | last report it was R(B.1.617.2) ~ 1.3 | 22:11 |
| de-facto | this report i have not crunched the data yet | 22:12 |
| de-facto | but it looks like its beyond extrapolation | 22:12 |
| joerg | sounds plausible. So maybe we will be at 1.3 in 4 weeks when B1.617.2 is at >90% | 22:12 |
| LjL | joerg, i don't care much about peer review tbh, i think there have been some scientists too starting to voice that the process is a bit silly, or has shown itself to be with COVID... ultimately it's two random guys getting barely paid to give their opinion on a paper, and there was like some research that found if you gave a paper to *another* two peer reviewers, the "mark" they'd give it was pretty much uncorrelated with the "mark" the first reviewers gave | 22:13 |
| LjL | so i care if i can see some obvious shortcomings in the paper, and since i usually can't, i wait for the internet to comment about it, regardless of peer review :P | 22:13 |
| joerg | :-) | 22:14 |
| joerg | it's a pity this silly football now works as catalyst for Delta, instead of them doing the right thing and adjusting measures to R_t with short notice | 22:17 |
| joerg | see my comment in my stats for 2021/07/04 | 22:18 |
| joerg | >>2021-07-04 START 4. WAVE(?)<< | 22:20 |
| joerg | BoJo even said shit like >>we will see high inzidenzes but we have to learn to live with that now<< | 22:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Jul 07, 2021: Low testosterone and COVID-19 Long COVID at 7 to 9 months Sex analysis in COVID studies → https://is.gd/V1CVM8 | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Myanmar: +3947 cases (now 175923), +57 deaths (now 3570) since a day ago | 22:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: COVID-19 surges at US hospitals may have led to 6,000 deaths: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Jul 07, 2021 The hospitals with the highest caseloads had double the risk of COVID-related death. → https://is.gd/QwuUa3 | 22:45 |
| theyscrewedus | lock us out. its dominant here | 22:51 |
| theyscrewedus | s-gene positive 89% in metro area, prob dominant in whole the country | 22:52 |
| theyscrewedus | some of them may still be SA variant or something, but still | 22:52 |
| theyscrewedus | and not a word in media, or healthcare officials. they stopped reporting about variants couple months ago | 22:54 |
| theyscrewedus | i wish you luck, try not to make the same mistake we did. let us be the warning example, so theres something positive to remember, perhaps | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Two Men in India Were Arrested for Saying Cow Dung and Urine Aren’t COVID Cures → https://is.gd/rRNxiJ | 22:56 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: having been on both sides of the peer review process, I agree that there is a sense of arbitrariness, but the peer review process does improve a paper typically | 22:57 |
| Arsanerit | it filters out some of the biggest crap and usually reviewers have suggestions on how to improve the presentation | 22:57 |
| lavadonut | theyscrewedus, finland? | 22:57 |
| theyscrewedus | yeah, where else | 22:57 |
| lavadonut | idk, what's wrong with finland? | 22:58 |
| theyscrewedus | small contry with media secrecy. they knew for sure, but some things they just dont report to people | 22:58 |
| theyscrewedus | they have a common discussion platform for editors and journalists, where they decide the strategies. it was originally meant for officials giving information to media in crisis situations, but its been used for media to decide the policy of reporting things | 22:59 |
| theyscrewedus | used by media | 23:00 |
| LjL | media secrecy? in finland? one of the top-ranking countries for media freedom in the world? | 23:00 |
| theyscrewedus | its freedom for media, that finland gets those high rankings. not freedom for public | 23:00 |
| theyscrewedus | prob dominant in norway too, despite much stricter border restrictions with mandatory quarantines. why else they opened the borders now | 23:04 |
| theyscrewedus | its mostly spreading among 18-30 yo now. they are the less vaccinated. maybe soon half of them have got the 1st dose, which gives around 50% protection for infection, cuttin the R to half | 23:05 |
| theyscrewedus | but maybe less, when they probably are more often in situtations with high viral dose | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: WHO: World at perilous point in the pandemic: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Jul 07, 2021 WHO officials said variant spread could outpace vaccines, even in countries with high vaccine coverage. → https://is.gd/MRuege | 23:06 |
| theyscrewedus | if half of them have R cut to half, that would mean 25% reduction. so it helps somewhat, lets see if it keeps stable or rises | 23:06 |
| theyscrewedus | its now almost triple to mid june low point, and at may level roughly. but better vacc coverage | 23:07 |
| theyscrewedus | i just saw the first health official mentioning of the next wave in the fall | 23:08 |
| theyscrewedus | year ago some of them said, the second wave may never come | 23:08 |
| theyscrewedus | so theres some improvement | 23:08 |
| theyscrewedus | try to find out the shares s-gene positives for your countries. as almost nobody does representative sequencing, there youll get the answer whats the prevalence of indian variant | 23:10 |
| theyscrewedus | although the share of SA or P.1 variants vary by country a bit, also s-gene positives | 23:11 |
| nixonix | dominant in dk, although partial week stats https://www.covid19genomics.dk/statistics | 23:14 |
| de-facto | yeah .dk pretty much is a bit behind .de | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: HIV vaccine trial starts at Oxford → https://is.gd/qU4DiK | 23:27 |
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