libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2021-07-08

BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +2954 cases (now 308273), +25 deaths (now 9573) since 23 hours ago — Morocco: +1279 cases (now 537253), +5 deaths (now 9341) since a day ago00:32
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] Mass infection is not an option: we must do more to protect our young: As the third wave of the pandemic takes hold across England, the UK Government plans to further re-open the nation. Implicit in this decision is the acceptance that infections will surge, but that this does not matter because vaccines [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5rN9N700:38
LjLnixonix, also you said 89% s-gene positive, that identifies the UK variant right? (which i wonder why it is only done in some countries)00:42
nixonixif its "s-gene negative", they use it to mean del69-70 that is only in the uk kent variant aka 1.617. those that are "s-gene positive", are those that dont have it, and it can be any of them. so it requires information whats the prevalence of others, like SA variant00:46
nixonixhere we used to have 15-20% SA variant for some reason, i think imported cases, through winter and spring. no idea how it is now. the earlier 614G variants pre uk are almost vanished00:47
nixonixhttps://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/141176147571940148200:48
nixonix15-20% in metropolitan area, that was. less in other country i think00:48
LjLnixonix, since that "s-gene negative" thing came about due to the specifics of one particular PCR test, i think, then why aren't more PCR tests that are *intentionally* made to detect known variants being created?00:51
nixonixavailability, budgets, already done deals for sequencing - and it looks like countries rather keep the information so that either citizens wont be overly worried or tourism wouldnt be affected00:55
nixonixit they think it cant be prevented, why tell the the situations, if they think it wouldnt help. seems to be the thinking here00:55
nixonixwhy we loosened border control in june isntead of trying to slow down indian variants spreading? why its tightened from next monday, when its too late=00:56
nixonixnow they cant slow it down anymore. all they are doing, is helping to keep the cases down a bit. or then try to avoid the situation when they will be accused not doing a thing00:58
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: mRNA vaccine technology moves to flu: Moderna says trial has begun → https://is.gd/UAriLr00:59
nixonixbtw greek is rocketing. while our media has only articles how awesome it is to go to crete again and how happy the restaurants are to see the tourists00:59
nixonixcyprus rocketing too00:59
nixonixcompare the death curves to case curves too. eg in many eastern european countries theres disparity between those, like lots of deaths but strangely low case curves. looks like those reporting about deaths are more honest01:01
nixonixbelgium is a good baseline, as they have always reported deaths honestly. compare the ratios to belgiums ratios (considering delays, like for deaths to happen and when cases increasing, its among young first)01:01
nixonix.title https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/23/science/coronavirus-sequences.html01:02
Brainstormnixonix: From www.nytimes.com: Scientist Finds Early Coronavirus Sequences That Had Been Mysteriously Deleted - The New York Times01:02
nixonix"If mRNA-1010 is shown to be effective against the yearly plague in later-stage trials, Moderna aims to eventually bundle it with three other mRNA-based vaccines to create a yearly, one-stop shot"01:04
nixonix"plague". but how about the manufacturing capacity, when modernas rona vaccine production hasnt been that great01:05
nixonixhopefully there wont be increasing hypersensitivity to multiple mrna shots01:06
LjLnixonix, eh, i think i've seen people including belgians disputing belgium's death count (maybe by saying they were counting too many, but you know, nobody ever seems to agree on how to count things, including "this person died with *cough*from COVID" apparently)01:07
LjLoh uhm i was reading an article or something about those early sequences like the other day but i think then i got distracted01:08
LjLand yeah greece is spiking, but so i'm afraid are spain and portugal01:08
nixonixi compared belgians stats to their excess deaths for spring 2020, and they seemed to be dead on. france, almost the same. as was denmark and findland, but because less deaths, the accuracy of comparison wasnt great with them01:08
LjLhaven't looked much at eastern european countries, but if the deaths are spiking that's worrisome because *with vaccines*, deaths in the UK aren't spiking *much*01:08
nixonixeither belgians and french tested those died on infection diligently, or then they "over counted" just to balance the missing deaths. anyways, the result was good01:09
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +6 deaths (now 26387) since 23 hours ago01:09
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Taking Vitamin D supplements during coronavirus infection beneficial, dips levels of cytokine storm: PGIMER meta-analysis → https://is.gd/ahNunq01:10
nixonixmaybe they just figured out the excess deaths, then "adjusted" the reported numbers using it. whatever, the results were accurate01:10
LjLwell, if you assume the excess deaths are an accurate indicator01:11
nixonixfor england and wales, the excess mortality was almost 90% higher than reported deaths in the 2020 spring. they didnt count those died in senior homes or their own homes, it seems, only those died in hospitals01:11
LjLwhat's up with slovakia? http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Slovakia&cumulative=no&smooth=yes they have a terribly bad vaccine uptake, yet both their cases and their deaths have gone down to practically zero. is it just "summer effect"?01:11
nixonixONS then found majority of missing deaths and reported about them, but still missed some part of excess deaths01:11
nixonixslovakia tightened the restrictions despite very low cases. why?01:12
LjLwe also didn't count those who didn't die with a previous positive test, and at some points when things were *bad* we weren't testing even close to everybody... people were just told to stay home and self-medicate, and then sometimes they died01:12
nixonixproactivitity to give more time to vaccinations? great, if it is that01:12
LjLhmm01:13
LjLit does highlight a recurring theme: the fact that i should find good sites with the restrictions (i kind of already did find them, but then left them there) and add code to Brainstorm to announce changes in restrictions :P01:13
nixonixyeah i read that in italy they "over counted" too some suspected deaths, to not miss that many deaths. spring 202001:13
LjLnixonix, about the suspicious rising deaths in eastern europe... is Bulgaria a good guess?01:15
LjLmeh actually it's not, tiny numbers01:16
nixonixi havent looked at that, i know they have low 1st dose numbers - long intervals?01:16
LjLnixonix, i mean about deaths being higher than cases would suggest01:16
LjLyou said eastern europe but didn't say where01:16
nixonixromania has something going on, compare cases and deaths01:17
LjLoh, right01:17
LjLi missed it because it was just too wonky, i wasn't even looking at it01:17
nixonixit was already in the fall 2020, many eastern european countries had clearly more deaths than cases. not all of them, but may01:17
nixonixmany01:17
LjLi was looking at slowly rising curves but instead this one is just weird O.o01:17
LjLnixonix, but it's possible that they are counting deaths they had failed to count before. it doesn't look like deaths are steadily rising, instead it looks like they're adding higher, but random, number of new deaths01:18
LjLi know this has happened for a few days here in Italy01:18
nixonixyeah its two way action now, deaths reducing with delay from cases that reduced during the last 1-2 months - and then possibly increasing cases among <30 yo01:18
LjLCampania repeatedly failed to report their correct numbers and reported them later01:18
LjL("conveniently" making them a white-alert region)01:19
LjLwell, i get my second Pfizer tomorrow01:19
LjLi'll almost certainly feel shitty for a day or two01:19
nixonixi think they recently reduced around 50 deaths in finland, when after analyzing found covid wasnt the major cause of deaths01:19
LjLbut i damn well hope my protection against Delta will be higher than 64%01:19
nixonixthey might have both overcounting and missing deaths, here too01:19
nixonixits often hard to say for sure, what was the major reason among old and fragile01:20
de-factobtw just calculated the latest exponential extrapolations for the RKI data from 2021-07-07 based on a serial interval of ts = 4d it gives me R(B.1.1.7) ~ 0.88 and R(B.1.617.2) ~ 1.24 hence Delta is (B.1.617.2) / R(B.1.1.7) = 1.24 / 0.88 ~ 1.41 times as contagious or ~41% more infectious than Kent01:20
de-factoin Germany that is01:20
nixonixlook at our flu death numbers, that used to be very low most of 2000s, then increased a lot during the last few years01:20
LjLnixonix, in my opinion if someone is COVID-positive they should be counted, unless they died by being literally run over by a truck01:20
nixonixnow some health official claimed, the total death toll from flu, in this country of 5.5M, would be 500-2000 on average, so they really have no good idea (many think even 500 would be too much for average year, tho)01:21
LjLnixonix, i bet this year they were very low though01:21
nixonixbut its hard with old and fragile. so just some change how to classify the deaths may have major effect to covid death numbers01:22
nixonixthey just claimed it was because of "our restrictions". bs, it was mostly because it never spreaded much in asia, and even less got outside of asia due to travel restrictions01:23
nixonixbut apparently there were a few cases even here, i just checked the flu curves (meaning influenza)01:23
nixonixnot sure if those were sequenced, pcr identified or cell culture identified, or just doctors estimated cases, though https://www.thl.fi/ttr/gen/kuvaaja/ili01.png01:24
nixonixbunch of rhino and some common cold coronas have been around01:25
nixonixbut they dont disappear from northern hemisphere similarly at summer time, but still keep infecting with lower numbers (coronas - rhinos arent that sesonal)01:27
LjLhm, i hadn't thought of that about influenza, honestly i had just believed the "restrictions" explanation without questioning it much01:28
LjLbut i've heard that due to lack of exposure this year, we may get a bad influenza year soon01:28
nixonix.title https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/01:30
Brainstormnixonix: From www.who.int: WHO | Influenza surveillance outputs01:30
nixonixclick "Comparison between countries* or groups of countries*" - and then eg eastern asia01:30
nixonixif they havent changed that, it was from my notes01:31
BrainstormUpdates for Cyprus: +952 cases (now 80588) since 23 hours ago01:34
nixonixdm went to harras daszak01:38
nixonix.title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9710875/Peter-Daszak-removed-COVID-commission-following-bombshell-conflict-report.html01:38
Brainstormnixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: Peter Daszak removed from UN commission investigating COVID after being exposed for Lancet letter | Daily Mail Online01:38
nixonix.title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9653613/British-doctor-Peter-Daszak-worked-Wuhan-scientists-secret-plan-stop-lab-leak-theory.html01:39
Brainstormnixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: British doctor Peter Daszak worked with Wuhan scientists and had secret plan to stop lab leak theory | Daily Mail Online01:39
nixonixit seems baric didnt sign that lancet letter, and has later distanced himself from daszak01:40
BrainstormNew from Virological.org: Latest posts: Genomic Surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in the State of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil: technical briefing: [Update information - Genomic surveillance of the state of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in the period between April, 26th, 2021 and June, 18th, 2021] Since last update, we have additionally sequenced 1,705 SARS-CoV-2 genomes [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ea1SLX01:40
nixonixmaybe baric did nothing wrong, idk... (if daszak really collaborated with chinese - meaning the way he shouldnt have)01:40
LjLbleh, https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/ loads for a split second and then redirects me to https://www.who.int/home/cms-decommissioning :|01:41
nixonixthe link i meant shoudl open powerbi.com tab. but ill try to see if it still works for me (FF)01:42
nixonixworks fine. strongly mitigated firefox01:43
LjLhmm. i'm using Firefox too01:47
LjLi could stop it on the page it loads first by hitting Esc quickly :P01:48
LjLbut i'm not entirely sure it's the page you mean01:48
LjLi can see maps, or graphs, or stuff01:48
LjLwell except that other pages (like the graphs one) again try to redirect me. how annoying.01:49
nixonixdid you click the link i wrote above? then after that, the tick box, eg for south asia01:50
nixonixthe tick box is black first, as all of them are, but just click it01:51
LjLnixonix, i clicked on https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/ and it gives me a page titled "Influenza surveillance outputs" (except if i don't stop it, it immediately redirects to the thing i showed). i don't see any checkboxes and it's not powerbi.com01:52
nixonixclick "Comparison between countries* or groups of countries*"01:53
nixonixwhich is in the center section, fourth one from the top01:54
nixonixdid you01:56
nixonixor did you not01:56
nixonixclick it01:56
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LjL-MatrixThis is what I get when I go to that link01:56
LjL-Matrixso I don't know what I'm meant to click01:56
nixonixyeah, right page. now click that link that says click "Comparison between countries* or groups of countries*"01:57
nixonixand it should open in another tab a page with url ...powerbi.com01:57
nixonixyou are not the first one that have given that link, the same guidance, that has had problems. idk why01:59
LjLoh okay. for some reason i was ctrl+f "comparison" and it wasn't finding it and i'm probably blind01:59
nixonixsomehow it worked out with couple other people, finally01:59
BrainstormUpdates for Tunisia: +9823 cases (now 464914), +134 deaths (now 15735) since a day ago01:59
nixonixctrl-f doesnt work for me on that page02:00
nixonix(i have no js on, though) that page that it will open does require js, tho02:00
LjLhmm, eastern asia definitely has a few cases compared to the rest of the world, but still very few, and only one type02:00
LjLnixonix, well the initial problem is just that it redirects me to a different page. i can "fix" that by pressing escape (or disabling js, probably, but haven't tried), but once that happens one starts not being sure they're on the right page02:01
nixonixit just opens in another tab, even with normal left click02:02
LjLnixonix, i mean https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/ directly. it opens briefly and then it gets replaced with https://www.who.int/home/cms-decommissioning unless i act quickly02:04
LjLthat may not happen to you without js enabled i guess02:04
LjLi'm not clicking on anything, i'm just pasting the url02:04
nixonixlike never click any links?02:05
LjL...02:05
LjLno, i'm just saying that i have not left or right or middle clicked on https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/ - i am simply copypasting it from irc to browser02:05
nixonixi check the bottom of browser for what the link is for before clicking. (and usually open them in another tab, like middle mouse or ctlr-left)02:06
LjLyes, so do i, but that's sort of irrelevant to the fact that when i open https://www.who.int/influenza/resources/charts/en/ it redirects me to a different "decommissioning" page, isn't it? :P02:06
nixonixah in irc yeah02:06
LjLanyway, from those graphs, i'm not convinced that our restrictive measures had *no* impact on influenza02:07
LjLbecause even if you look at europe, like i clicked south-western europe, the 2020 influenza was sharply "cut off" in March02:07
LjLwhich is when it all went to shit here02:07
nixonixyeah but the lockdowns back then were another level02:07
LjLtrue02:07
nixonixwhen now we had like shortly bars closed 1802:07
LjLwell, that's just not a lockdown02:08
nixonixmight have been different in other europe...02:08
LjLbut we had more lockdowns, but there was always a huge difference: "non-essential work" was allowed02:08
LjLin the first one, it wasn't02:08
nixonixbtw interesting things happening in australia02:08
LjLstill, like back in november or whatever, we still had to fill in a polie form to leave our homes02:09
LjLso i'd say that's the main thing that counts as "a lockdown", that you can't leave home except for specific things02:09
LjLotherwise the word gets diluted02:09
nixonixthey are circumventing the lockdown rules, ill see if i find links02:10
LjLhmm, and it shows a bit in the graphs...02:13
LjLhighest peak they've had since september02:13
nixonix"The Project panel blasted people in 'activewear' wandering around the streets shopping, claiming they are out for 'essential exercise.02:15
nixonix.title https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9745171/The-Project-hosts-SLAM-Sydneysiders-refusing-wear-masks-Covid-lockdown.html02:15
Brainstormnixonix: From www.dailymail.co.uk: The Project hosts SLAM Sydneysiders for refusing to wear masks in Covid lockdown | Daily Mail Online02:15
LjLthat's why at some point they made it the rule here that "exercise" could only be within 200 meters of your home, but that was in 202002:16
LjL(and also 200m was so tight i technically couldn't even go around the block)02:16
nixonixcouple days before the latest lockdowns, the officials or govt assured, there wont be another lockdown. and this was just before it:02:17
nixonix.title https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/australians-seem-happier-to-be-locked-down-than-vaccinated-and-it-makes-no-sense/news-story/4f0b4dbd43b555e8d556f15e8d687f6d02:17
Brainstormnixonix: From www.news.com.au: Why Australians seem happier to go into lockdown than get Covid-19 vaccine02:17
nixonix.title https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/16/queue-jumping-australians-under-40-receiving-covid-vaccine-despite-not-being-eligible02:18
Brainstormnixonix: From www.theguardian.com: ‘Queue jumping’: Australians under 40 receiving Covid vaccine despite not being eligible | Health | The Guardian02:18
nixonixi finally found the answer, how that is happening after searching through several articles another day02:18
nixonixit seems, az isnt popular at all, because of those thrombosis concerns. and its now allowed for under 60 yo too, if gp agrees to give it02:19
nixonixwhich they might not, because they are worried about liability02:19
nixonixbut queue jumpers are after mrna vaccines, not az (just very few of those under 40 want az)02:20
nixonixand because of booking problems, those eligible under 60 yo have booked pfizer or moderna from many vaccination centers, and when one of them goes through, they will cancel the others02:21
nixonixand they might go to waste, so they are queueing for them. those younger ppl whose turn it wouldnt be yet02:21
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Mandatory covid-19 vaccination for care home workers: In a profound departure from public health norms, new law will remove the right of care home staff in England to choose whether to be vaccinated against covid-19.1 The intended next step is a rapid... → https://is.gd/JpkW9d02:22
nixonixyeah serious thing, but many things are like from monty python show02:23
LjLuh that does not seem like a very smart way to organize the system though, letting people book at several centers02:23
nixonixalso they have used links used for those eligible, even when they havent been yet, and succesfully booked mrna vaccinations02:24
nixonix*meant for02:25
nixonix.title https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-22/covid19-cctv-footage-worrying-nsw-health-authorities/10023183202:27
Brainstormnixonix: From www.abc.net.au: CCTV captures 'scarily fleeting' encounter that resulted in Bondi COVID-19 cluster growing - ABC News02:27
nixonixvaccine hesitancy in aus: https://essentialvision.com.au/?s=vaccine&searchbutton=Search02:28
LjL"Why do people appear more willing to go into lockdown – to lose their freedom and ability to see friends and family – than they are to get vaccinated?" ← to me there seems to be a very simple, correct answer to that (although it may not be the real reason)02:28
LjLthey have Delta cases. it's more than 50. it seems like not a lot, but it will be a lot soon. i don't think it's easy to trace and contain02:29
LjLthey have vaccinated few people02:29
LjLso until most of the population is vaccinated, a lockdown isn't a bad idea02:29
LjL"In fact, it’s getting worse. This Delta variant is so infectious a Sydney case was caused by a “scarily fleeting” encounter between two people who briefly walked past each other at Bondi Junction Westfield." ← yall think you can trace this?02:30
nixonix.title https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html   https://archive.is/RMXYY02:31
Brainstormnixonix: From www.nytimes.com: Opinion | Where Did the Coronavirus Come From? What We Already Know Is Troubling. - The New York Times02:31
LjL"Sadly, maybe Australia needs more Australians to die for us to start queuing for vaccinations instead of volunteering for lockdowns." ← this just tells me that there's always somebody not happy with a given strategy02:32
LjL*to me*, it seems that the "zero covid" strategy has worked well for Aus and NZ so far, so why shouldn't they continue it? Delta may make it trickier, so sure, vaccinate quicker at the same time, that's obviously important02:32
nixonixlack of information combined to lack of estimating the strength of evidence, like some dudes blog had it, i heard vs heathcare officials in the whole western world02:33
nixonixor just some 1% controversial scientist, like byram bridle02:33
nixonix*inability to estimate02:36
BrainstormUpdates for Netherlands: +3042 cases (now 1.7 million), +2 deaths (now 17901) since 23 hours ago — China: +49 cases (now 97935) since 23 hours ago — France: +32 deaths (now 111347) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +35 deaths (now 128417) since 23 hours ago02:37
nixonixthat tracing question above, apparently they found out those ppl had no other situtations to meet, and sequencing the samples showed, it came from that situation (with good certainty)02:51
nixonixsure that could happen, but how often it happens, is another thing. more often with 617.2 than the previous ones, for sure02:52
nixonixbtw i might have typed 617 earlier today, meaning the kent variant, not sure...02:53
nixonixdamn names just keep changing, variants, vaccines, drugs02:53
BrainstormUpdates for Zimbabwe: +2264 cases (now 60227), +34 deaths (now 1973) since a day ago — Ghana: +306 cases (now 96708), +1 deaths (now 797) since 2 days ago03:01
BrainstormUpdates for Algeria: +585 cases (now 143032), +11 deaths (now 3786) since a day ago04:04
BrainstormNew from Politico: Africa: Why are EU vaccine passes discriminating against Africans? → https://is.gd/OlSgrp04:06
LjLbecause... they discriminate against everyone non-EU?04:07
BrainstormUpdates for Mexico: +8507 cases (now 2.6 million), +234 deaths (now 234192) since 20 hours ago — Thailand: +7058 cases (now 308230), +75 deaths (now 2462) since 23 hours ago — South Korea: +1275 cases (now 164028), +1 deaths (now 2034) since 23 hours ago — Papua New Guinea: +194 cases (now 17292), +4 deaths (now 177) since 11 days ago05:31
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Olympic village workers test positive to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/uQoqNk05:49
BrainstormNew from This Week In Virology: TWiV 777: SARS-CoV-2 fitness with Ron Fouchier: Ron Fouchier explains why increased transmission of SARS-CoV-2-variants has not been demonstrated, and their ability to displace ancestral variants is due to greater fitness, much like influenza virus antigenic variation leads to better fitness and replacement of previously [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0feXA006:10
BrainstormNew from EurekAlert!: A summary of myocarditis cases following COVID-19: Myocarditis-or inflammation around the heart--has been reported in some patients with COVID-19. After searching the medical literature, researchers have now summarized the results of 41 studies describing myocarditis in 42 patients with COVID-19. → https://is.gd/WbfdDx06:31
BrainstormUpdates for Belgium: +1990 cases (now 1.1 million), +2 deaths (now 25196) since a day ago — Barbados: +12 cases (now 4108) since a day ago — Germany: +22 deaths (now 91448) since 23 hours ago06:33
BrainstormNew from EurekAlert!: Has the COVID-19 pandemic lessened bullying at school?: Students reported far higher rates of bullying at school before the COVID-19 pandemic than during the pandemic across all forms of bullying--general, physical, verbal, and social--except for cyber bullying, where differences in rates were less pronounced. The findings come [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YpVpoQ06:51
BrainstormNew from EurekAlert!: Study: Hospitalizations for eating disorders spike among adolescents during COVID: At one center, the number of hospital admissions among adolescents with eating disorders more than doubled during the first 12 months of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to the study that appears in a pre-publication of Pediatrics. → https://is.gd/5bbhej07:02
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Linda Sarsour leaves Twitter over backlash from IDF tweet → https://is.gd/JIF5G407:12
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus death toll hits 4 million worldwide as Delta variant spreads → https://is.gd/d9nIIR07:23
BrainstormUpdates for England, United Kingdom: +27016 cases (now 4.3 million), +28 deaths (now 112827) since a day ago — Mexico City, Mexico: +2885 cases (now 698043), +25 deaths (now 34828) since 22 hours ago — Saint Petersburg, Russia: +1906 cases (now 482055), +107 deaths (now 17082) since a day ago — Missouri, United States: +1659 cases (now 633169), +30 deaths (now 9788) since a day ago07:35
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Russia has offered North Korea Covid vaccines once again, amid reports that a harsh lock-down is leading to extreme hunger. → https://is.gd/6LHG5b07:43
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Seven days in medicine: 30 June to 6 July 2021: Covid-19England will lift most restrictions on 19 JulyMost remaining covid-19 restrictions in England will be lifted on 19 July, the prime minister announced. At a Downing Street press conference... → https://is.gd/eOX8V208:04
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Canigen L4, Canine leptospirosis vaccine (inactivated), Date of authorisation: 03/07/2015, Revision: 6, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/dlbxtH08:24
Krey[m]Virus death toll passes 4M fatalities -- https://youtu.be/sjPk37TWwAU08:32
BrainstormUpdates for India: +45892 cases (now 30.7 million), +821 deaths (now 404765) since 15 hours ago08:37
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | July 08, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/0bU8tM09:07
Krey[m]%cases czechia09:14
BrainstormKrey[m]: In Czechia, there have been 1.7 million confirmed cases (15.6% of the population) and 30312 deaths (1.8% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 30.4 million tests were performed (5.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 5.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Czechia for time series data.09:14
undefined_bob%cases germany09:22
Brainstormundefined_bob: In Germany, there have been 3.7 million confirmed cases (4.5% of the population) and 91448 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 66.1 million tests were performed (5.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.9% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data.09:23
jacklswmalaysia has 8k new cases today :(09:23
undefined_bobjacklsw: and death count?09:23
jacklsw%cases malaysia09:23
Brainstormjacklsw: In Malaysia, there have been 799790 confirmed cases (2.4% of the population) and 5768 deaths (0.7% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. 15.1 million tests were performed (5.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 0.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data.09:23
undefined_bob%cases uk09:25
Brainstormundefined_bob: In United Kingdom, there have been 5.0 million confirmed cases (7.5% of the population) and 128433 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of an hour ago. 220.1 million tests were performed (2.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.09:25
Krey[m]%cases china09:25
BrainstormKrey[m]: In China, there have been 97953 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 4742 deaths (4.8% of cases) as of an hour ago. 160.0 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data.09:25
Krey[m]Hm O.o china didn't have a fatality since 23 Apr 202009:25
undefined_bobya, China dont like to have dead people?09:26
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid: International travel changes for fully vaccinated people to be set out → https://is.gd/9Uc7bT09:28
Krey[m]Can we please call delta variant the Johnson variant~09:48
Krey[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiHMjSDjHxU09:48
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Dying too young: Maps show little has changed in 170 years: Why do areas with high Covid death rates match places with the worst health in Victorian times? → https://is.gd/WTJr1w09:49
BrainstormUpdates for Armenia: +186 cases (now 225987), +5 deaths (now 4536) since 23 hours ago10:04
BrainstormNew from WHO Euro: Football fans take part in an exciting, but safe, return to the Beautiful Game: Throughout the WHO European Region, fans have been excitedly returning to watch football after more than a year of cancelled matches and closed grounds. But with the pandemic far from over, how does it feel to be a spectator again, with many restrictions [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hSODai10:09
SpearRavenany latest news on Ivermectin?10:10
generaDerek Lowe has written about10:10
SpearRavenok thanks10:11
SpearRavenI know TrialSite News is a good source on YouTube regarding it10:12
SpearRavenlooks like Ivermectin can be good to reduce the severity of it if you get it10:14
BrainstormUpdates for N. Cyprus: +97 cases (now 8601) since 23 hours ago10:29
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Can we stretch existing Covid vaccines to inoculate more people? Experts are divided: Is the world is using more Covid vaccine than it needs to on each person immunized, depriving people in the queue of a chance to be protected? Experts are divided. → https://is.gd/eeDmw410:40
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sydney sees worst pandemic day of 2021 two weeks into lockdown → https://is.gd/QqDn9m10:51
BrainstormUpdates for Israel: +306 cases (now 844684) since 15 hours ago11:06
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Spectators to face Olympic ban as Tokyo declares coronavirus emergency-report → https://is.gd/eaRJtw11:12
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Pandemic influenza vaccine H5N1 AstraZeneca (previously Pandemic influenza vaccine H5N1 Medimmune), pandemic influenza vaccine (H5N1) (live attenuated, nasal), Influenza, Human, Date of authorisation: 20/05/2016, Revision: 8, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/FSleZi11:23
Krey[m]What is the healthy amount of sugar per day/week ?11:35
Krey[m]* Krey is currently taking small amount of sugar after food as his glucose levels are around 5.5 mmol/L  and after that it gets to around 7.2 mmol/L which feels like helping digestion and avoiding feeling tired after a meal11:35
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Veklury, remdesivir, Coronavirus Infections, Date of authorisation: 03/07/2020, Revision: 5, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/wZa4ty11:44
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: Document: Mandate, objectives and rules of procedure of the COVID-19 EMA pandemic Task Force (COVID-ETF) → https://is.gd/zxYYqh11:55
BrainstormNew from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ12:06
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BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Covid-19: Oman suspends flights from 24 countries, including India, Pakistan → https://is.gd/euN46513:30
BrainstormUpdates for Malaysia: +8868 cases (now 808658), +135 deaths (now 5903) since 23 hours ago — Malta: +55 cases (now 30755) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +651 cases (now 3.7 million) since 23 hours ago13:35
BrainstormNew from Politico: Aviation: Fully vaccinated UK residents to be allowed to return to England quarantine-free → https://is.gd/G4AqmA13:41
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BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +38391 cases (now 2.4 million), +852 deaths (now 63760) since a day ago — Nepal: +1218 cases (now 651380), +29 deaths (now 9320) since a day ago14:00
BrainstormNew from ECDC: COVID-19 in children and the role of school settings in transmission - second update: The aim of this document is to provide an update on the knowledge surrounding the role of children in the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and the role of schools in the COVID-19 pandemic, focusing in particular on the experience in EU/EEA countries since the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PftfBy14:12
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BrainstormUpdates for Libya: +1384 cases (now 199526), +4 deaths (now 3227) since a day ago — Senegal: +354 cases (now 44790), +1 deaths (now 1184) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +2 deaths (now 10898) since 22 hours ago14:31
BrainstormNew from ECDC: ECDC: Data for the maps in support of the Council Recommendation on a coordinated approach to the restriction of free movement in response to the COVID-19 pandemic in the EU/EEA → https://is.gd/o2qmzJ14:34
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: Biden renews vaccines push as cases and deaths rise among unvaccinated people: President Joe Biden has outlined the ways his team is pushing to get more Americans vaccinated, as the highly contagious delta variant spreads and is now causing half of all new SARS-CoV-2 infections... → https://is.gd/dwCftN14:44
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Two weeks into lockdown, Sydney has its worst day for virus cases this year → https://is.gd/C0R2T214:55
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Closing the vaccine hesitancy gap: What tactics and strategies should be used to address COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy? The post  first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/567VC515:06
BrainstormUpdates for Iran: +23391 cases (now 3.3 million), +136 deaths (now 85397) since a day ago — Fiji: +721 cases (now 8661), +6 deaths (now 48) since a day ago15:08
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Olympics bans spectators after Tokyo declares COVID-19 emergency → https://is.gd/kphGoP15:49
BrainstormNew from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: R to @BallouxFrancois: I should probably have disclosed that it took me a while to reach this position over the course of the pandemic. In September 2020, I co-signed a 'lobbying 'letter to the UK PM. With the benefit of hindsight, I recognise this was a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pQfCpG16:00
BrainstormUpdates for Bangladesh: +11651 cases (now 989219), +199 deaths (now 15792) since 23 hours ago — Iraq: +9189 cases (now 1.4 million), +31 deaths (now 17444) since 23 hours ago — Faroe Is.: +14 cases (now 817) since a day ago — Iceland: +11 cases (now 6675) since 2 days ago16:06
Raf[m]<martini_man[m] "image.png"> Riddled with logical fallacies16:07
joerg??16:24
Raf[m]martini_man posted an image explaining why they wouldn't be getting a covid vaccine, but most of them are logical fallacies16:35
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Fluenz Tetra, influenza vaccine (live attenuated, nasal), Influenza, Human, Date of authorisation: 04/12/2013, Revision: 20, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/WaYEgs16:44
BrainstormNew from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: Almost all COVID-19 deaths and hospitalizations in America now are among unvaccinated people. COVID vaccines work, and they work incredibly well. → https://is.gd/eGM9uD16:55
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Prevention and Treatment With Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin of Acute Respiratory Syndrome Induced by COVID-19 → https://is.gd/3MxSnx17:05
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Phase 1 Intranasal Parainfluenza Virus Type 5-SARS CoV-2 S Vaccine in Healthy Adults → https://is.gd/LSWEEZ17:16
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Recovery of Respiratory System in COVID-19 Patients → https://is.gd/fctxP017:28
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): A Different Use of The Aerosol Box in COVID-19 Patients; Internal Jugular Vein Cannulation → https://is.gd/Nc7PTA17:38
Win7inehello17:44
de-factohey Win7ine how is it going?17:58
Win7inehi de-facto, all good thanks, u?18:02
BrainstormNew from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: An update on the idea of anti-androgen therapy for the coronavirus. The story has become. . .complicated.https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/07/08/an-update-on-anti-androgen-therapy-for-the-coronavirushttps://is.gd/eUj1oM18:10
de-factoim ok thanks18:11
de-factohoping infections wont rise too quickly, proportion of Delta may be at least 3 out of 5 infections already in Germany18:14
Win7ineit is only a matter of time and delta will reach 100% of new infections no doubt, question is what comes after delta.18:16
Win7ineAs long as there are infections, there will be mutations18:17
de-factoyeah some say mutants like Lambda18:25
de-factothe one in Peru C.3718:25
de-factobut it seems its not as fit as Delta18:25
de-factostays below 1% in Germany so far18:25
de-factobut may be more immune evasive, so maybe that changes when there is more selection by almost fully vaccinated population?18:26
de-factoyet then reproduction will be even less, so maybe it just will vanish?18:26
trbpepsilon should follow delta18:27
trbpwas not epsilon next in greek alphabet?18:27
trbpde-facto: numbers are patient and do not know what they are (mis)used for ;)18:28
trbpde-facto: who grants the german numbers are true?18:28
de-factowhere is epsilon?18:29
trbpthat was just an answer to the question what follows delta18:29
de-factotrbp, RKI puts efforts into trying to do representative sampling, afaik 10-20% of tests are sequenced or such18:29
de-factohaha yeah but there are gaps, Alpha is dominated by Delta now18:29
trbpbecause that was afaik the commitment internationally made about naming18:29
de-factoBeta (SA) and Gamma (BR) stays low, more immune evasive but not fit enough to compete with the much more contagious Delta18:30
de-factothey are still there though but in low 1% range18:30
de-factoin Germany18:30
trbpde-facto: sequencing is a nice thing :) though we are aware that going for more than just markers would put the cost immensly up?! ;)18:30
trbpand of course any higher number participating tests would have to wait exponentially longer for any result18:32
trbpbut yeah time will tell us where that all goes to ;)18:32
de-factoafaik sequencing can be done massively parallel18:32
trbpsure at a degree with massively costintensive almost handmade setups18:33
de-facto.title https://imgur.com/a/aacyToT https://i.imgur.com/gCen7Yn.jpeg "COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2-VoCs Evolution in 2021" src: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/DESH/Bericht_VOC_2021-07-07.pdf?__blob=publicationFile18:33
Brainstormde-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2-VoCs Evolution in 2021 - Album on Imgur18:33
Brainstormde-facto: From imgur.com: COVID Germany: SARS-CoV-2-VoCs Evolution in 2021 - Album on Imgur18:33
de-factoin Germany government pays the labs for each sequence18:33
de-factoi think its a good deal for them, they make profit from it i guess18:34
trbpsure as any goverment has a neverending bankaccount ;)18:34
de-factoyou mean i pay for it with my bank account18:34
de-factobut its important, they need to know for appropriate strategy18:35
de-factoi am glad they established this surveillance so quickly, sequencing was not done before, then started in 202118:35
de-factoin Germany18:35
de-factoUK did sequencing before18:35
trbpwhatever first we need open borders for travelling before the economy goes down, nice that the numbers congruently went down before ;)18:37
trbpjust in time to the european football championship ;)18:37
de-factowe need to close borders in order to prevent import and enforce quarantine for all travelers18:37
de-factobut the government does the opposite18:38
de-factothey just opened traveling from high incidence areas, fully vaccinated allowed to travel without test or quarantine18:38
de-factoas if things like vaccine breakthrough would not exist18:38
trbpwell that is life18:39
trbpyou ain't get always what you want18:39
trbpon all sides18:39
de-factoyeah i just dont want cases to rise again, but they will do that18:39
trbpdumbness fed to the people including their leaders ends up in dumbness overall...18:39
de-factoso oh well, we have to deal with it18:39
de-factojust have to make the best out of it, blaming does not really help18:40
trbpde-facto: the numbers will rise and fall, like they did before just they are right now in the focus18:40
trbpde-facto: exactly you do best what you think is with the actual input you get18:41
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +31977 cases (now 5.0 million) since 16 hours ago — Italy: +1391 cases (now 4.3 million), +13 deaths (now 127731) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +14 deaths (now 26401) since 17 hours ago18:41
trbplike everybody does... or at least try to do18:41
de-factowell yeah we just passed the minimum in Germany, so things will become more tense from now on again, unfortunately18:41
de-factostill on very low level, but i fear we will see R~1-1.3 soon18:41
de-factoyeah we will be fine, its just annoying sometimes18:43
jacklswand then UK said they don't need masks18:46
de-factowell they said everyone should act responsible and wear masks in gatherings and crowded places18:46
de-factobut afaik not mandatory (at some point, not sure at what date they planned it)18:47
jacklswtennis grand slam in wimbledon, london18:47
jacklswhardly any spectator wearing mask18:47
de-factoyeah yelling as loud as possible without masks, thats how to produce aerosol18:48
LjLItaly: +1391 cases  ←  i think this is our record for this wave :\18:52
BrainstormNew from ScienceNews: How your DNA may affect whether you get COVID-19 or become gravely ill: A study of 45,000 people links 13 genetic variants to higher COVID-19 risks, including a link between blood type and infection and a newfound tie between FOXP4 and severe disease. → https://is.gd/dwGrDa19:03
BrainstormNew from WebMD: Fitness Trackers Reveal COVID's Long-Term Effects: A new study finds wearable fitness trackers such as Fitbits or the Apple Watch can help track people's recovery from COVID-19 and they're revealing long-term issues. → https://is.gd/Gu2xtK19:14
BrainstormUpdates for Myanmar: +4132 cases (now 180055), +51 deaths (now 3621) since 20 hours ago19:37
BrainstormNew from Francois Balloux: @BallouxFrancois: R to @BallouxFrancois: Though,I wouldn't consider signing any similar letter, irrespective of its content. On the upside, it made me realise I may have learnt something over the pandemic, despite essentially every day over the last 18 months having felt like a Sunday with a nasty hangover.8/ → https://is.gd/9vDGXJ20:37
de-factohmm Netherlands also got a super steep rise of infections20:45
de-factoR~2 or such wtf20:46
de-factohttp://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain;Netherlands;Belgium;Portugal;Greece;Georgia;Denmark;Ireland;Luxembourg&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff20:50
de-factoall of them are at the begin of a very steep spike there20:51
de-factonot good at all :/20:51
de-factourgent need for more containment NOW20:52
IndoAnon...20:54
de-factoδ20:54
IndoAnonI wonder why this phenomenon seems to be replicable across continent20:55
de-factobecause the properties emerge from 1) the Delta variant (being much more contagious) and 2) human psychology, making the same mistakes again and again20:56
de-factoso if those properties are re-occurring also the effect resulting from it is re-occurring20:56
IndoAnonOn the 2nd point, yeah... we're doomed20:56
de-factoin an ideal world we would learn from mistakes20:57
de-factobut yeah, its just the same over and over again, importing mutant, spreading it during the summer via tourism, everyone acting surprised when this results into a lockdown20:58
IndoAnonIn the next few years...20:59
de-facto.title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03677-y20:59
Brainstormde-facto: From www.nature.com: Spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020 | Nature20:59
IndoAnonConsidering 18 months has elapsed from pandemic, there's no hope that conventional tourism would recover21:00
de-factoi think its important to risk making mistakes, but its even more important to learn from analyzing the reuslts21:00
de-facto*results21:00
IndoAnonUh, it seems you slipped deutsch phrase there21:01
de-factoi mean the mistake was made already at the very begin, allowing the spread from Wuhan via travelers, some claim it should have been obvious before allowing it, but ok it was crystal clear after the new infection chains began to expand at the destination of the imports21:03
de-factoso given we know this by now, why is it still tolerated more than 1 1/2 years later?21:04
IndoAnonWhile tourism has a great multiplier effect on country's economy. That means nothing if the country's main engine had to be stopped, or most likely, slowed down21:04
IndoAnonde-facto: Too much "hope" being spread. On 4chan/pol/cvg, we called it hopium21:05
de-factothere is no hope, only pessimists have a chance to get this under control21:06
de-factowhen a country leadership was like "yeah we have it under control, we are through" it was a certain sign of a HUGE wave to begin21:06
de-factoalways the same everywhere21:07
de-factoreminder: that was how the Delta started to come up21:07
IndoAnon>some claim it should have been obvious before allowing it, but ok it was crystal clear after the new infection chains began to expand at the destination of the imports< I agree. CN long-distance bus and airplane travel basically has the same characteristics. But, government and IATA members seems to took this issue half heartedly21:08
de-factoif there are two alternatives: 1) being over-pessimistic potentially risking too many restrictions from containment 2) being over-optimistic potentially risking not enough containment because hoping for getting away with less restrictions which of those two scenarios potentially got more expensive outcome if assumptions turn out to be incorrect?21:10
IndoAnonUnfortunately, that's the theme that government spread through mass media, despite knowing the obvius drawbacks.21:10
IndoAnonIt's a balancing act. We just need to tread everything carefully, and examine the plus and minus of uublxc policy21:11
de-facto1) maybe too much containment is a bit more expensive then just enough containment, but it does not risk a huge peak in infections, it can be adjusted in small steps without risking lost of control21:12
IndoAnon*public, Government should not make much promise like "returning to normalcy" and stuff. Because, people would drop their guard21:12
de-facto1) if containment is not enough and incidence runs out of control its too late, no small adjustments possible anymore, it will result in a huge wave and much more strict containment is required to bring it down to levels comparable to the start21:13
IndoAnonTrue, the hardlockdown is costly. It risks supply chain breakdown and economic fallout.21:13
de-facto2) if containment is not enough ...21:13
de-factowhat i mean is that we approach approximating the optimal level of containment from the wrong (thus expensive) side21:15
IndoAnonhmm, the "expensive" is relative, anon21:17
de-factoit never should come to a lockdown, because that is the sign of failed containment strategy21:18
de-factohence the assumptions for the containment were wrong21:18
de-factothus have to be adjusted in order to avoid repetition21:18
IndoAnonhmm, you mean we should start from no-intervention?21:19
mrdatafailed containment stemmed from 'no evidence of asymptomatic transmission' early on, when that had not been studied21:19
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Delta variant is 'Covid-19 on steroids,' expert says, with cases increasing in nearly half of US states → https://is.gd/AvcUZ121:19
de-factoyes true21:20
de-factobut its known by now, so why are fully vaccinated allowed to travel without testing or quarantine?21:20
mrdatathey do get tested21:20
mrdatamy sister went to see the volcano in iceland; she and her partner were fully vaccinated but had a test on entry and on exit from iceland21:21
de-factoi wish, but afaik the assumption for high incidence traveling is no quarantine for tested == recovered == vaccinated (which just is not true)21:21
mrdatathey had to isolate while their tests results were pending21:21
de-factothat is how it should be done21:22
IndoAnonIn long-term, losing sizeable portion of medical staff is costly. Because they supposedly reduce the gdp spent on Healthcare by recognizing health problems early on. And, it cost money to trained doctor and nurses21:22
de-factowell tbh both tested and quarantined in my opinion would be required to allow international traveling, even for fully vaccinated21:24
IndoAnonIt's hard to find the correct set of policy, which maximize health and minimize economic lost21:24
de-factominimizing economic lost is done by maximizing health21:25
de-factocountries with very aggressive containment did best in terms of economic by far21:25
de-factothose that reacted and hesitated had to pay the highest price, both economically and also in terms of health and fatalities21:26
de-factoand i fear with long covid also still have to deal with it for long time21:27
de-facto.title http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/21:29
BrainstormUpdates for Mozambique: +1806 cases (now 84922), +5 deaths (now 939) since 23 hours ago — Morocco: +1336 cases (now 538589), +5 deaths (now 9346) since 20 hours ago21:29
Brainstormde-facto: From metrics.covid19-analysis.org: COVID-19 Spread Mapper21:29
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Americans will need masks indoors as U.S. heads for ‘dangerous fall’ with surge in delta Covid cases → https://is.gd/Fcd8oU21:30
de-factobigest increase in reproduction in Spain, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Greece21:35
de-factostarting at low level ok, but then R>2 that is horrible21:35
de-factoR=2 would double each 4 days21:36
de-factothat is alarming, urgent need for containment21:36
de-factogovernment need to wake up, its their responsibility to make the population aware and implement containment21:38
de-factothe sooner the better because then its less  expensive21:38
de-factounderestimating the infectiousness of Delta was exactly the mistake of the Indian government, it should not be repeated21:45
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated tourists won't be welcome in Canada for 'quite a while,' PM Trudeau says → https://is.gd/qbR47i22:02
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BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: Amber list quarantine for fully vaccinated to end on 19 July → https://is.gd/S5E57M22:12
BrainstormUpdates for Algeria: +620 cases (now 143652), +12 deaths (now 3798) since 18 hours ago — Spain: +17317 cases (now 3.9 million), +28 deaths (now 80997) since a day ago22:31
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Unvaccinated Fiji public servants told they will be sacked → https://is.gd/PdLVNU22:43
rpifanso are we gonna have another lockdown o rnot22:46
rpifanim bored of all this freedom22:46
rpifanhaving the ausgangsperre was honestly nice22:46
LjLAre you only here to root for the worst outcome or what?22:54
LjLAnyway, how common is hoarseness as an initial presentation for COVID? "Asking for a friend" (actually yes really)22:54
de-factoif its at that location a quicktest may help for getting more info?22:59
de-factoor also a proper PCR23:00
de-factohow common? how would you distinguish it from any other cause like hay-fever or such?23:00
twomoonminimizing economic lost is done by maximizing health. i don't know if i agree with this de-facto23:05
twomoonbut i'm out of gas these days to debate you23:05
de-factowhat i meant is that a healthcare crisis with associated lockdown etc is the most expensive scenario, hence preventing infections to rise that far out of control can avoid those astronomic high costs23:11
de-factowe need smarter more targeted solutions to prevent the necessity of a generic lockdown, yet it worries me that we see that high R numbers in some countries right now23:14
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: COVID-19 Scan for Jul 08, 2021: US COVID vaccination program Heart rate and long COVID → https://is.gd/lKv9B423:15
de-factoif the assumption holds that conditions leading to such high R numbers remain also for higher incidence it means its already out of control, hence no targeted or smart containment is in place to control it23:16
IndoAnonde-facto: Truthfully, we need smarter society. Those who doesn't even need to be reminded through legacy media23:17
de-factoi dont like lockdowns, they are the confirmation of a failed containment, the inability to control it with smart solutions23:17
IndoAnonRemote working is pretty good solution23:18
IndoAnonI've been thinking all this time. What separated me and those who have tested positive23:20
LjLde-facto: well I'm afraid I can answer myself, he just learned that someone he met a week ago got it, and had a sore throat too23:20
LjLSo well, fuck23:20
de-factoyeah hmm, he should get tested23:21
de-factobut a sore throat alone is common enough that it cant replace a proper test23:21
de-factoi had sore throat several times, went for a test and it was negative23:22
de-factoi just did not really care before, but right now with the possibility of it being COVID i just go for a test, to get the question mark out of my head23:22
IndoAnonI think it's because I follow all the health and safety protocol, wear mask all the time in public (except when I need to snacked/ate in the car), rarely went to office except when mandated by higher-ups, re-heat takeouts, and kept my phone clean23:23
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Study shows booster shot after 6 to 12 months likely to provide best protection from COVID-19, Pfizer says → https://is.gd/5OfGzB23:26
IndoAnonAlso, moped the floor with disinfectant as I went to bathroom after going out. Shampood and wash my body everytime I went outside. Then washed the used clothes23:26
IndoAnonHow about you guys? I wonder whether you washed your hoodie/coat after going outside...23:28
LjLde-facto: I told him to get a doctor, get a PCR, and ask if taking aspirin would be okay because I've heard a couple of doctors here saying they've experimented successfully with early aspirin (or another nsaid) as a treatment, not just to feel better but to actually lower hospitalization rates, and it sounded like this is not commonly done here, and our hospitalization/death rates have always been bad23:28
de-factoIndoAnon, tbh i only wash hands and avoid touching face when outdoors, i sanitize things like keyboard and door handles23:30
de-factoi even dont touch streetlight knobs etc23:30
de-factobut i dont do anything special with clothes or such23:31
de-factoi dont walk with street shoes into the flat23:31
de-factoLjL, i am not sure, i think Aspirin is good, but i dont know enough to tell if it really helps with COVID23:32
de-factoit got anti-inflammatory properties, it also got anti-coagulative properties23:32
IndoAnonde-facto: There's nothing special with my soap nor floor "disinfectant" too. Also, I walked barefoot in my flat before putting my sandals/shoes into shoe cabinet.23:34
IndoAnonAh, and I haven't set my feet on hospital for like 1.5 years23:36
de-factoi think normal soap is just fine, more importantly is washing with warm water and for like 30s or such23:36
de-factoi think surface contamination is a low contribution, only becomes relevant when all other transmission paths are eliminated23:37
de-factoi guess main transmission is aerosol and droplets23:37
de-factocorrection: i know23:37
de-factoits not a guess anymore23:37
IndoAnonlel... also, most of the cases that I have heard in rural regions, it's because they visited local clinic/hospital...23:39
IndoAnonUgh23:41
IndoAnonIn 1st degree relationship, I lost few people due to that... catching corona on smol hospital23:42
LjLde-facto: well, I told him to ask a doctor before taking it, i shouldnt be giving direct medical advice but if i suspect there is an easy way to improve chances...and sure he might not even have covid, but in that case I'm sure an aspirin won't hurt23:44
de-factodrink black tea23:45
de-factonot much but constantly for long times23:45
de-factoin small sips, may inactivate those virions that currently are on mucus surfaces such as throat23:46
de-factono cure, but maybe buy the immune reaction a bit of time23:46
de-factoor green tea (more stomach friendly)23:46
de-factobut black tea is more potent23:46
de-factogargling with alcoholic mouth washes frequently23:47
BrainstormNew from NPR: Fauci Says Current Vaccines Will Stand Up To The Delta Variant: All the data so far show the vaccines are highly effective at preventing serious disease or hospitalization, Dr. Anthony Fauci said. Vaccination is also imperative to preventing mutations, he added. → https://is.gd/ZQbvze23:47
de-factoalso may kill some virions (but again only those on the surface, cant do anything against those that currently replicate incide cells)23:47
de-factohence repeat frequently23:47
de-factobtw black/green tea also helps with sore throat in general23:49
de-factomy newest discovery "Gunpowder" Green Tea, its really yummy23:55

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